Subject: PROPOSITION FOR DEBATE

From: "John Henry" <john@w...>
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:36:09 -0400

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LOAN FROM THE RICH AND GIVE TO THE POOR

In the current state of Our Nomic with the increase of new players, these p=
layers should have at least a start toward their goal of 100 points. The tr=
ading of points shall occur in this way:

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Any player with a score total of less than 50 can put out a statement askin=
g if any other player wishes to loan them points.=20

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If a player responds yes then the two players will send a request to the sp=
eaker saying who and how many score points. The loans can be from one (1) t=
o twenty (20) points.

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If the loan is made, then the points are added to the loaned and subtracted=
from the loaner.

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The player must pay the loaner 150% of the amount loaned. That is the amoun=
t of the loan + half of the loan amount rounded up to the nearest whole num=
ber.=20

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The loans must be repaid within 10 votes since the loan was made.=20

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On the Players Page on the website it must say next to the players PPs how =
much that person needed to pay back and to whom. Example:

PPs Loans

7593 Owes (#) to billy-bob-bo

The person paying back the loan can divide newly received points to him and=
the loan-e or can wait.

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The speaker must be notified of the score changes and the # of points that =
you do not owe anymore.

COMMENTS FROM PROPOSER: This may give new players the benefit of the genero=
sity even away from the holiday season.

Johnny Henry

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From: "Mark Risen" <kandelar@n...>
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:26:16 -0700

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I disagree with the portion reading "The loans must be repaid within 10 vot=
es since the loan was made" for the reason that, with a little help, 10 pro=
positions that require voting can be forced through. I suggest providing a =
minimum time period as well such as "The loans must be repaid within 10 vot=
es since the loan was made, or 30 days, whichever is longer"

Also, I wonder as to the result of the person's total if e cannot repay bac=
k 150%. If a player is at 0, requests a loan of 10, gets it and has to repa=
y it back, does eir score go to -5?
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From: John Henry=20
To: [email-masked]=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:36 PM
Subject: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION FOR DEBATE

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In the current state of Our Nomic with the increase of new players, these=
players should have at least a start toward their goal of 100 points. The =
trading of points shall occur in this way:

=20=20=20

Any player with a score total of less than 50 can put out a statement ask=
ing if any other player wishes to loan them points.=20

=20=20=20

If a player responds yes then the two players will send a request to the =
speaker saying who and how many score points. The loans can be from one (1)=
to twenty (20) points.

=20=20=20

If the loan is made, then the points are added to the loaned and subtract=
ed from the loaner.

=20=20=20

The player must pay the loaner 150% of the amount loaned. That is the amo=
unt of the loan + half of the loan amount rounded up to the nearest whole n=
umber.=20

=20=20=20

=20=20=20

On the Players Page on the website it must say next to the players PPs ho=
w much that person needed to pay back and to whom. Example:

PPs Loans

The person paying back the loan can divide newly received points to him a=
nd the loan-e or can wait.

=20=20=20

The speaker must be notified of the score changes and the # of points tha=
t you do not owe anymore.

COMMENTS FROM PROPOSER: This may give new players the benefit of the gene=
rosity even away from the holiday season.

Johnny Henry

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From: "Lonnie Henry" <lhenry@n...>
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 08:39:43 -0400

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sorry about that
it means just that when they get new points in the game after the loan they=
can split it so that they can over time repay it.

Let's say that you loan me 10 points.
My score is now 10.
I put in a prop that passes.
I can give you 5, 6, 4, or whatever torwards the loan.
those points gets added back into your points total.

Its doesn't have to be paid immediately or all at the same time.

Sorry for the miss understanding.
Thanks for the feedback!

John Henry
john@w...

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From: Mark Risen=20
To: [email-masked]=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION FOR DEBATE

I disagree with the portion reading "The loans must be repaid within 10 v=
otes since the loan was made" for the reason that, with a little help, 10 p=
ropositions that require voting can be forced through. I suggest providing =
a minimum time period as well such as "The loans must be repaid within 10 v=
otes since the loan was made, or 30 days, whichever is longer"

Also, I wonder as to the result of the person's total if e cannot repay b=
ack 150%. If a player is at 0, requests a loan of 10, gets it and has to re=
pay it back, does eir score go to -5?
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Henry=20
To: [email-masked]=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:36 PM
Subject: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION FOR DEBATE

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In the current state of Our Nomic with the increase of new players, the=
se players should have at least a start toward their goal of 100 points. Th=
e trading of points shall occur in this way:

=20=20=20=20=20

Any player with a score total of less than 50 can put out a statement a=
sking if any other player wishes to loan them points.=20

=20=20=20=20=20

If a player responds yes then the two players will send a request to th=
e speaker saying who and how many score points. The loans can be from one (=
1) to twenty (20) points.

=20=20=20=20=20

If the loan is made, then the points are added to the loaned and subtra=
cted from the loaner.

=20=20=20=20=20

The player must pay the loaner 150% of the amount loaned. That is the a=
mount of the loan + half of the loan amount rounded up to the nearest whole=
number.=20

=20=20=20=20=20

=20=20=20=20=20

On the Players Page on the website it must say next to the players PPs =
how much that person needed to pay back and to whom. Example:

PPs Loans

The person paying back the loan can divide newly received points to him=
and the loan-e or can wait.

=20=20=20=20=20

The speaker must be notified of the score changes and the # of points t=
hat you do not owe anymore.

COMMENTS FROM PROPOSER: This may give new players the benefit of the ge=
nerosity even away from the holiday season.

Johnny Henry

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20
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