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Tue Feb 29 15:33:56 2000Received: (qmail 21930 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2000 23:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Feb 2000 23:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2000 23:33:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 9890 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2000 23:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (209.2.153.153) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 29 Feb 2000 23:34:18 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: NOMIC: V2 (New Proposals) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" *****NOTES: Please submit proposals and votes to windrant@n... Any discussions should be posted to on_discussion@onelist.com Please submit your votes by the date listed in "Voting Period." In this case, there are 2 proposals, please clearly indicate how you vote on EACH proposal! Thanks! *****PROPOSALS: Proposal # 301 Voting Period: March 7th, 2000 Proponent: Matt Keppel Text of Proposal: "THE HEAD NEEDS A BODY" It should be recognized that in the infancy of our game, we are governing without having anyone to govern. Therefore, let there be the creation of a city-state, 'Nomicsylvania', by which all future laws and amendments will have influence over, and we, the governing players, shall rule over like kings, damn-hell-ass kings! Comments from Proponent: None Proposal # 302 Voting Period: March 7th, 2000 Proponent: Devon Jacobs Text of Proposal: AMENDMENT TO R204: - In the first line, after the word shall, insert the word "only". - In the first line, after the word speaker insert the words: "in the form of an e-mail message to em at the address: windrant@n...". The amended rule to read: 204. A proposal shall only be made by submitting it to the Speaker in the form of an e-mail message to em at the address: windrant@n.... Only Voters may make proposals. As soon as possible after receiving a proposal, the Speaker shall assign the proposal a number and distribute the proposal along with its number to all players Comments from Proponent: To alleviate the confusion brought about by the interpretation of initial instructions, and use of multiple e-mail addresses by both speakers and voters, I propose to amend R204. This amendment will standardize the proposition procedure. In addition, it will serve to insure that most submissions are from the party that they claim to be from, insomuch as the Speaker may at eis discretion check the originating e-mail address of the sender to determine authenticity. Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From mattkeppel@y... Tue Feb 29 17:11:06 2000Received: (qmail 24884 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 01:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Mar 2000 01:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web220.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.120) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 01:11:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000301011103.16811.rocketmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.102.209] by web220.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:11:03 PST Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:11:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC: V2 (New Proposals) To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Matthew Keppel From: Matthew Keppel My fellow voters: While I generally support Mr. Jacobs proposed ammendment to R204, it does raise some questions. >From my understanding of the current rules of Nomic, the winner of this initial game will be designated as the Speaker of game #2, with Mr. Henry joining the ranks of the voters. If this is how we are to play, I feel it would be against our best interests to include Chuck's e-mail address directly into any ammendment. This will prevent us having to make ammendments every time a new Speaker is chosen. Instead, may I suggest the change in text to the following: "in the form of an e-mail message to em at their most current e-mail address." The amended rule to read: 204. A proposal shall only be made by submitting it to the Speaker in the form of an e-mail message to em at their most current e-mail address. Only Voters may make proposals. As soon as possible after receiving a proposal, the Speaker shall assign the proposal a number and distribute the proposal along with its number to all players How does everyone else feel on this? Respectfully submitted, Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From LilBoof624@a... Tue Feb 29 19:35:34 2000Received: (qmail 30614 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 03:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Mar 2000 03:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.34) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 03:35:37 -0000 Received: from LilBoof624@a... by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id h.be.1b179f8 (4510) for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:34:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:34:58 EST Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC: V2 (New Proposals) To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 42 X-eGroups-From: LilBoof624@a... From: LilBoof624@a... Good call Matt on the interpretations of the rules. I would agree that since Chuck will not always be Speaker that the rule should read as "in the form of an e-mail message to em at their most current e-mail address." Not only will this help alleviate any changes in Speaker, but also any changes in e-mail addresses should anyone change their e-mail address. From djacobs@n... Tue Feb 29 21:09:58 2000Received: (qmail 11884 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 05:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Mar 2000 05:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 05:10:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 11675 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 05:10:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (198.175.11.150) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 05:10:19 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000301001743.0080d2e0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 00:17:43 -0500 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: Prop 302 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Thanks for the insight on prop 302, I have decided to edit the proposition to include the address on_discussion-owner@onelist.com instead of Chuck's personal e-mail address. This address will mail the current owner of the listmail. when Speakership is handed over to a new party, the internal e-mail address for the listmail will be changed and the global on_discussion-owner@onelist.com address will continue to be used thus eliminating the problem of having to later amend the rules. to avoid confusion, I have withdrawn prop 302. consider it null and void. an official statement from Speaker Henry should follow shortly. the revised proposition will be posted with the next scheduled mailings. This brings up another good point as well, now that we've already jumped right into things. It may be a good idea to post proposals to the mailing list for debate for a short period before submitting them to the speaker in their final form. This would cut down alot of editing and rescheduling of polling dates. -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From jands1@f... Tue Feb 29 21:14:55 2000Received: (qmail 24935 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 05:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Mar 2000 05:14:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO node15.cwnet.frontiernet.net) (209.130.129.205) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 05:14:58 -0000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by node15.cwnet.frontiernet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24862 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:14:56 -0500 Received: from 209-130-220-47.nas1.roc.gblx.net(209.130.220.47), claiming to be "oemcomputer" via SMTP by node15.frontiernet.net, id smtpdcZEWEa; Wed Mar 1 00:14:52 2000 To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] NOMIC: V2 (New Proposals) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:16:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF8313.6E86AB80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Julie & Scott" From: "Julie & Scott" ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF8313.6E86AB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I may put in my two cents worth, I think there are a couple of issues here. While the rules state that any of us as future speakers can be designated to distribute the proposals via this listserv, only Chuck can post the proposals to his own website. (I doubt he wants to give us the password!) So, perhaps the way to go here is to ammend R204 as follows: 204. A proposal shall be made by submitting it to the Speaker in the form of an e-mail message to em at their most current e-mail address. Only Voters may make proposals. As soon as possible after receiving a proposal, the Speaker shall assign the proposal a number and distribute the proposal along with its number to all players via the discussion list. The proposal will also be carbon copied to windrant@n... to be posted on the official website. Obviously, I borrowed from others in the discussion, but I wondered if anyone else noticed this angle! -Scott Morgan ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF8313.6E86AB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If I = may put in my=20 two cents worth, I think there are a couple of issues here.  While = the=20 rules state that any of us as future speakers can be designated to = distribute=20 the proposals via this listserv, only Chuck can post the proposals to = his own=20 website. (I doubt he wants to give us the password!) So, perhaps the way = to go=20 here is to ammend R204 as follows:
 
204. A proposal shall be made by = submitting=20 it to the Speaker in the form = of an=20 e-mail message to em at their most current e-mail = address. Only=20 Voters may make proposals. As soon as possible after receiving a = proposal, the=20 Speaker shall assign the proposal a number and distribute the proposal = along=20 with its number to all players = via the=20 discussion list. = The=20 proposal will also be carbon copied to windrant@n... to = be posted=20 on the official website.
 
Obviously, I=20 borrowed from others in the discussion, but I wondered if anyone else = noticed=20 this angle!
 
-Scott=20 Morgan
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF8313.6E86AB80-- From djacobs@n... Tue Feb 29 22:01:57 2000Received: (qmail 24466 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 06:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Mar 2000 06:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 06:01:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 26357 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 06:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (198.175.11.150) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 06:02:15 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000301010939.007fb270@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 01:09:39 -0500 To: on_discussion@onelist.com, Subject: RE: [on_discussion] NOMIC: V2 (New Proposals) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Scott: I thought of that earlier.... but then it occurred to me that Chuck is already a member of the listserv, so he gets a copy anyway.... in the new version of the amendment (see previous note on Prop 302) the props are sent to whoever is the speaker via a universal e-mail address, and when received by the speaker it is CC:'d to the entire listserv as an official proposal. Chuck gets a copy of all the official stuff at the same time we do, and can put it on his website in a timely fashion. This is pretty much the same way it works now. In the event that Chuck ever quits the game and thus is removed from the listserv, it is most likely that he will also no longer be available to run the web site, and will likely throw the whole thing on a zip disk and let the current governing body of the Nomic deal with it. Of course, being the founder of Our Nomic I don't see him ditching unless the thing dies, but hey you never know..... -Devon At 12:16 AM 3/1/00 -0500, Julie & Scott wrote: >>>> From: "Julie & Scott" < ArialIf I may put in my two cents worth, I think there are a couple of issues here. While the rules state that any of us as future speakers can be designated to distribute the proposals via this listserv, only Chuck can post the proposals to his own website. (I doubt he wants to give us the password!) So, perhaps the way to go here is to ammend R204 as follows: Arial204. A proposal shall be made by submitting it to the Speaker in the form of an e-mail message to em at their most current e-mail address. Only Voters may make proposals. As soon as possible after receiving a proposal, the Speaker shall assign the proposal a number and distribute the proposal along with its number to all players via the discussion list. The proposal will also be carbon copied to <windrant@n... to be posted on the official website. ArialObviously, I borrowed from others in the discussion, but I wondered if anyone else noticed this angle! Arial-Scott Morgan ---------- < ---------- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com <<<<<<<< -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From mattkeppel@y... Wed Mar 01 05:22:53 2000Received: (qmail 26549 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 13:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Mar 2000 13:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web222.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.122) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 13:22:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000301132129.26700.rocketmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.120.11] by web222.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 05:21:29 PST Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:21:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Prop 302 To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Matthew Keppel From: Matthew Keppel A few thoughts: First, it seems that we need to separate and dissect Chuck's duties. While the role of speaker will eventually pass from person to person, the maintainance of the web site will not. The question is how do we separate the two? Later today, I plan on submitting a proposal, creating the title of Court Historian/WebGnome, to be conferred upon Chuck. With this title, he can continue running the web site regardless of who the Speaker may be. To accomplish this in the most efficient manner, I believe it's necessary that for any game where Chuck is not speaker, any proposal must be simultaneously submitted to both the speaker and court historian. The only possible conflict I see in this is that as court historian, Chuck gets first peek at all new proposals before the rest of the voters. However, I do not see this giving Chuck any unfair advantage over the rest of the voting body. Secondly, in regards to submitting proposals directly to the discussion list, bypassing the speaker, I feel this would ultimately be chaotic. The speaker has the two very important duties of assigning a proposal number and setting a voting date. It is important to designate exactly what we are voting on. For example, if Devon originally submitted his proposal directly to the group, which version do we vote on? His original proposal? My personal revision of it? Steve's revision? All revisions? As designated proposal 302, we know what we're voting on. Granted, this opens it to a lot of discussion, but that's what law making is all about. I say that we vote on the original proposal. If it passes, we can amend it. If it fails, it can be reworded and resubmitted. The important thing is we realize the impact of each proposal and develop a sense of where we want to go with it. Geez, this was quite the soapbox rant, wasn't it? I'll get down now :) Keep the thoughts and ideas flowing! Respectfully submitted, Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From djacobs@n... Wed Mar 01 12:04:20 2000Received: (qmail 7034 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 20:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Mar 2000 20:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 20:04:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 636 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 20:04:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (209.2.153.146) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 20:04:34 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000301150747.007f88f0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:07:47 -0500 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Prop 302 In-Reply-To: <20000301132129.26700.rocketmail@w...> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} I may have worded that poorly.... it was like 1:30am.... the idea was to post the text of a proposal to the discussion group for *debate*. to enable the writer to consider other's ideas and take care of the major editing BEFORE it comes to a vote.... like the first proposal I submitted.... there were several things that were pointed out that I didn't take into consideration when I originally wrote the thing. now I have to find a way to edit a proposal that hasn't been voted on (which would cause all kinds of logistical nightmares) or withdraw it and submit a new one. either is a pain in the arse for both myself and the speaker. don't mind my ranting....I'm not really anal.... I just want to make sure the thing runs smoothly if we get more than our little core of players.... anyway... on with the fun..... -Devon At 05:21 AM 3/1/00 -0800, you wrote: >>>> Secondly, in regards to submitting proposals directly to the discussion list, bypassing the speaker, I feel this would ultimately be chaotic. The speaker has the two very important duties of assigning a proposal number and setting a voting date. It is important to designate exactly what we are voting on. For example, if Devon originally submitted his proposal directly to the group, which version do we vote on? His original proposal? My personal revision of it? Steve's revision? All revisions? As designated proposal 302, we know what we're voting on. Granted, this opens it to a lot of discussion, but that's what law making is all about. I say that we vote on the original proposal. If it passes, we can amend it. If it fails, it can be reworded and resubmitted. The important thing is we realize the impact of each proposal and develop a sense of where we want to go with it. Geez, this was quite the soapbox rant, wasn't it? I'll get down now :) Keep the thoughts and ideas flowing! Respectfully submitted, Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. <http://im.yahoo.com ---------- < ---------- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com <<<<<<<< -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From windrant@n... Wed Mar 01 12:05:29 2000Received: (qmail 9887 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 20:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Mar 2000 20:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 20:05:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 1284 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 20:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (209.2.153.161) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 20:05:34 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: An issue of discussion Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:09:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20000301005437.007ffaa0@a...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Now I chime into the discussion! I think what Devon was suggesting wasn't that we post the proposals DIRECTLY to the discussion and expect me to grab them and number them and ask for a vote. It's just that he ran into a problem. He submitted a proposal that he realized needed to be reworded before it was written into a formal proposal. He submitted it as a formal proposal before he realized the imperfection. He was afraid that you folks would vote into law something he felt was less than perfect. That left him with 2 choices: 1) Ask to withdraw the proposal. (Which there is no legal precedent...) 2) Allow it to be voted in or out. If it was voted in then he could propose an amendment. He saw this and suggested a way to prevent this in the future. That's what DRJPROP2 is. However, might I suggest that a proposal which is not formally entered into record be called something else?!? Maybe call it a "proposition." And then just follow Devon's suit... use initials and the number that you have chosen. And then state before the proposition the date in which the "copy protection" expires. In Devon's case it would be: >Proposition DRJ2 > >Expires: March 8th, 2000 > >Proposition: >(text here) This would allow Devon to get suggestions on the prop as written and avoid having to withdraw the proposal. At the end of 7 days Devon then could submit what he thought the proposal should be and let you folks decide the outcome. This is just a suggestion... If in fact, a system is set up like this it would not have to be mandatory. If you wanted the advice on the prop you could submit it to the discussion continuum as a proposition and then listen to the advice roll in... the decision of what the final proposal would be would be yours. If you merely wanted it voted upon without discussion ("damn the torpedoes!") then submit to it the Speaker as a proposal. Getting people to vote on it would be your diplomacy skills and the merit of the proposal only. I can't write a proposal that would set this system up... open to anyone for the writing. -Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@a...] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 12:55 AM To: on_discussion-owner@onelist.com Subject: DRJPROP2 Proposal: At any time a proposal may be submitted to all members of the on_discussion mailing list for debate before submission to the speaker for voting. A proposal submitted for the purpose of debate must be e-mailed to all members of the on_discussion mailing list and have the following as the first line of the body of the e-mail. PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE A proposal submitted for debate in this manner will be protected in that no player may officially submit for voting the same proposal, or a differently worded proposal that causes the same result as the proposal originally posted for debate for a period of 7 days from the time the original proposal was posted for debate in the appropriate manner. If the proposal is not officially submitted for voting within the 7 day period, no player may repost for debate the same proposal, or a differently worded proposal that causes the same result as the proposal originally posted for a period of 7 days. In either case, the Speaker will be the sole judge of whether any proposal submitted for voting or debate causes the same result as a proposal previously submitted for debate. -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From windrant@n... Wed Mar 01 12:29:21 2000Received: (qmail 6143 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 20:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Mar 2000 20:29:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 20:29:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 15035 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 20:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (209.2.153.161) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 20:29:32 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: 1st Feminine Proposal Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:33:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Greetings Lawmakers! I will set forth the first effort by a female to join this testosterone crazed, rule-making frenzy and encourage our other female members not to be intimidated. Upon following the discussion brought about by Matt, Devon, and Scott, and upon further contemplation of the rule set I offer a new proposition. If we were to consider granting our present speaker the position of "historian", as proposed by Matt, then perhaps we shall also reconsider the role of speaker itself. 218. In addition to duties which may be listed elsewhere in the rules, the Speaker shall have the following duties: -register new players -maintain a list of all players and their current scores, and make such a list available to all players -maintain a complete list of the current rules, and make such a list available to all players -make a random determination whenever such determination is required by the rules It appears to me that duties that begin with the word "maintain" could be readily fulfilled by this possible historian who is already supplying our webpage with information for us to access. The word maintain implies an ongoing duty that encompasses a larger time frame than the span of one speaker. **I feel that the role of speaker should be to facilitate the discussion and grant points when needed. This would also allow a broader spectrum of group members to fulfill the role of Speaker in the future.** -Jen From mattkeppel@y... Wed Mar 01 14:47:04 2000Received: (qmail 19649 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2000 22:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Mar 2000 22:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web207.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.107) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2000 22:47:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 10235 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Mar 2000 22:47:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000301224706.10234.qmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.50.3] by web207.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 14:47:06 PST Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:47:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] 1st Feminine Proposal To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Matthew Keppel From: Matthew Keppel I can see! I can see! (as I fall into the pit...) Thank you Devon for clearing up what you wrote. It makes more sense to me now. Proposals should be fine tuned before submitting and the discussion group is a fine way of doing so. While we are attempting to define the Speaker's duties and such, there is one aspect that seems unclear to me. Why can't the speaker vote? I know Chuck has expressed disappointment over his unability to do so, and I can see no reason why he should not be allowed. Finally, may I add; welcome to the frenzy Jen! A litlle estrogen never hurt anyone! (wait, too much information...) Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From windrant@n... Wed Mar 01 19:10:19 2000Received: (qmail 3817 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2000 03:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Mar 2000 03:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 03:10:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 1502 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2000 03:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (209.2.153.211) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 03:10:35 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC V3 (Proposals) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:14:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" *****NOTES: Devon Jacobs has withdrawn Proposal 302 from voting. (Tue 2/29/00 11:57 PM) All votes for Pro. 302 will be ignored. *****PROPOSALS: Proposal # 303 Voting Period: March 8th, 2000 Proponent: Devon Jacobs At any time a proposal may be submitted to all members of the on_discussion mailing list for debate before submission to the speaker for voting. A proposal submitted for the purpose of debate must be e-mailed to all members of the on_discussion mailing list and have the following as the first line of the body of the e-mail: PROPOSITION ($$$PROP#) FOR DEBATE where $$$ represents the author's initials and # represents the number of propositions submitted by this author. (e.g. DRJPROP3) A proposition submitted for debate in this manner will be protected in that no player may officially submit for voting the same proposal, or a differently worded proposal that causes the same result as the proposition originally posted for debate for a period of 7 days from the time the original proposition was posted for debate in the appropriate manner. If the proposal is not officially submitted for voting within the 7 day period, no player may repost for debate the same proposition, or a differently worded proposition that causes the same result as the proposition originally posted for a period of 7 days. In either case, the Speaker will be the sole judge of whether any proposal submitted for voting or debate causes the same result as a proposition previously submitted for debate. -The Speaker From windrant@n... Mon Mar 06 03:50:17 2000Received: (qmail 18307 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2000 11:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Mar 2000 11:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 6 Mar 2000 11:50:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 8241 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2000 11:50:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (198.175.11.136) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 6 Mar 2000 11:50:37 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: A friendly reminder! Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 06:54:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Hello! Just a reminder... Proposal 301 and 303 are due for voting this week. 301 => March 6th (Mardi Gras!) 303 => Marth 7th You can vote on these by submitting an email to on_discussion-owner@onelist.com Thanks! Hope you you a great week! -C Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From mattkeppel@y... Mon Mar 06 08:42:15 2000Received: (qmail 6811 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2000 16:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Mar 2000 16:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web214.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.114) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2000 16:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 29152 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2000 16:42:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306164216.29151.qmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.120.112] by web214.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:42:16 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:42:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] A friendly reminder! To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Matthew Keppel From: Matthew Keppel Ah yes, it would help to vote, wouldn't it? Therefore, allow me to cast: PROPOSAL 301 : Yeah PROPOSAL 303 : Nay In addition, I would like to submit the following proposals: "CHUCK THE WEB GNOME" Whereas it is of vital importance that there be accurate records available to all players on the current status of the game, and whereas Chuck has been kind enough to provide a web site to provide this information, let there be the creation of the position of Historian. This title shall forevermore be conferred upon Chuck. As Historian, it will be Chuck's duty to maintain the web site and serve as list moderator for the discussion list serve. Furthermore, all proposals submitted must henceforth be simultaneously submitted to both the designated Speaker and Historian in order to maintain continuity. "E WHO SMELT IT, DEALT IT" At anytime a Voter submits a proposal, it shall be assumed that said Voter will likewise vote for its acceptance. Therefore, let the submission of a proposal be automatically recorded as a vote by the submitter in favor of the proposal. I found this last one on another Nomic site and felt it appropriate: "PUNISHMENT BY BROWBEATING" If a player violates one of the accepted rules, and it is brought to the attention to the List, the other players may send messages to that player with the phrase "BROWBEAT" in the body. Respectfully submitted, Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From mattkeppel@y... Mon Mar 06 10:17:10 2000Received: (qmail 6513 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2000 18:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Mar 2000 18:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web210.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.110) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 6 Mar 2000 18:17:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 24441 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2000 18:17:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306181709.24440.qmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.121.239] by web210.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:17:09 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:17:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] A friendly reminder! To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Matthew Keppel From: Matthew Keppel My appologies folks. I could have sworn I sent that to Chuck's e-mail. Weird. Well, nothing you wouldn't know in due time... Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From jands1@f... Mon Mar 06 20:26:36 2000 Received: (qmail 18752 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2000 04:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Mar 2000 04:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO node9.cwnet.frontiernet.net) (209.130.129.194) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 7 Mar 2000 04:25:16 -0000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by node9.cwnet.frontiernet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27130 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:25:14 -0500 Received: from 209-130-220-160.nas1.roc.gblx.net(209.130.220.160), claiming to be "oemcomputer" via SMTP by node9.frontiernet.net, id smtpdWRtoqa; Mon Mar 6 23:25:07 2000 To: Subject: New Proposals Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:27:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <952355346.29429@onelist.com> X-eGroups-From: "Julie & Scott" From: "Julie & Scott" Hello All, Just a few thoughts on the new proposals from my tired mind: 304: Sounds good to me! 305: Yeah, but what if during discussion you decide you don't like your proposal. I guess you could just withdraw it and vote no by the writhdrawl, so to speak. But what if the rest of us like it? Basically, what's the harm in letting someone go through the motions of voting on their own proposal? Save some electricity I guess. Just a thought.... 306: So, we're going to get mean already, eh? :) Them's fighting words my man! Can't we all just get along? My two bits...night all.... -Scott From mattkeppel@y... Tue Mar 07 10:47:21 2000 Received: (qmail 29615 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2000 18:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Mar 2000 18:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web215.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.115) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 7 Mar 2000 18:47:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 28309 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2000 18:47:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000307184709.28308.qmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.50.65] by web215.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 10:47:09 PST Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:47:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] New Proposals To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Matthew Keppel From: Matthew Keppel Good point on proposition 305, Scott. I hadn't really thought of that. That proposition came to mind when I realized it took a reminder from Chuck for me to vote on one of my own proposals! Regardless, I feel that there are ways around such a circumstance. Proposals can be discussed before they are officially submitted, and any law that passes can be amended or repealed. Perhaps if this particular proposition passes, I'll propose an amendment stating that the proposer (in fact, any Voter) can change their vote anytime within the designated voting period. That should fix things, shouldn't it? As for 306, they're only fighting words if you're not a law abiding citizen. :) Anyone who knows me knows that I am a bit warped, and I fully intend to keep this game interesting by proposing numerous silly laws. I have also found in searching other Nomic sites a variety of laws and proposals that may have a place in our game as well, this being one of them. Besides, at some point and time we will have to devise ways of enforcing our rules and regulations, and what better way than a text-based browbeating? :) Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From windrant@n... Tue Mar 07 12:29:18 2000 Received: (qmail 7528 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2000 20:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Mar 2000 20:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 7 Mar 2000 20:27:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 14281 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2000 20:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (209.2.153.149) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 7 Mar 2000 20:27:47 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: V4 (New proposals) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:32:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" *****NOTES Kris Zaker has left the game :( Pro. 301 due for vote! (Votes must be in by midnight tonight!) Pro. 303 due for vote tomorrow by midnight! Results will be announced Thursday. *****PROPOSALS (6 in Total!) Proposal # 304 Voting Period: March 13th, 2000 Proponent: Matt Keppel Text of Proposal: "CHUCK THE WEB GNOME" Whereas it is of vital importance that there be accurate records available to all players on the current status of the game, and whereas Chuck has been kind enough to provide a web site to provide this information, let there be the creation of the position of Historian. This title shall forevermore be conferred upon Chuck. As Historian, it will be Chuck's duty to maintain the web site and serve as list moderator for the discussion list serve. Furthermore, all proposals submitted must henceforth be simultaneously submitted to both the designated Speaker and Historian in order to maintain continuity. Comments from Proponent: None Proposal # 305 Voting Period: March 13th, 2000 Proponent: Matt Keppel Text of Proposal: "E WHO SMELT IT, DEALT IT" At anytime a Voter submits a proposal, it shall be assumed that said Voter will likewise vote for its acceptance. Therefore, let the submission of a proposal be automatically recorded as a vote by the submitter in favor of the proposal. Comments from Proponent: None Proposal # 306 Voting Period: March 13th, 2000 Proponent: Matt Keppel Text of Proposal: "PUNISHMENT BY BROWBEATING" If a player violates one of the accepted rules, and it is brought to the attention to the List, the other players may send messages to that player with the phrase "BROWBEAT" in the body. Comments from Proponent: None Proposal # 307 Voting Period: March 14th, 2000 Proponent: Jennifer Henry Text of Proposal: The Speaker shall do no more than facilitate discussion and fulfill duties mentioned in rule 218, with the exception of maintaining player lists, scores, and rules. All sections of rule 218 pertaining to maintenance will be fulfilled by the position of Historian. The Historian for the first game is Chuck Henry. Comments from Proponent: None Proposal # 308 Voting Period: March 14th, 2000 Proponent: Jennifer Henry Text of Proposal: The position of historian may be passed along to other players that are deemed worthy and capable by the current historian. Using the prestige points system can assess worthiness and capableness. Comments from Proponent: None Proposal # 309 Voting Period: March 14th, 2000 Proponent: Jennifer Henry Text of Proposal: There will be a prestige points system in use to track player participation. Each player in addition to the game points that determine winner, will have a sum of prestige points (PPs) assigned. The points will be awarded to represent participation only and will not aid in winning. A voter will receive 10 PPs for every proposal submitted to the speaker, regardless of whether or not the proposal is adopted. A voter will receive 5 PPs for voting on any proposals. The Speaker will receive 2 PPs for every voter that votes on a proposal. Other rules may create circumstances in which PPs are created and awarded. The Speaker can grant PPs to any voter for service “above and beyond” the ruleset. The speaker shall not, however, assign more than 20 PPs to one voter within one month. PPs are non-tradable and non transferable. Comments from Proponent: None Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Wed Mar 08 19:27:05 2000 Received: (qmail 5579 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 03:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Mar 2000 03:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 03:27:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 26223 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 03:27:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (198.175.11.149) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 03:27:25 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Results 301 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:31:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" *****NOTES On March 7th, 2000 proposal 301 was adopted in the current ruleset. The record shows that: In favor: Jen, Matt, Devon Opposed: Steve, Scott Abstained: Justin, DeeAnna Points Awarded: Scott +10 (dissent points - rule 211) Steve +10 (dissent points - rule 211) Matthew (proponent) I've contacted an independent dice rolling website to determine his points as required in the ruleset. It will post the results to the discussion list. (this insures that I'm not cheating ;] ) The points suggested by the roller will be entered as his points. Proposal 303 still has 2 hours left... I'm not anticipating more votes but I still need to allow it time. Just to be careful! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Wed Mar 08 19:32:41 2000 Received: (qmail 9799 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 03:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Mar 2000 03:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 03:32:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 30107 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 03:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (198.175.11.149) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 03:33:03 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: oops! Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:37:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Matt's points will be Roll 1 from the email roller... sorry but I screwed up the number of dice! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From jands1@f... Wed Mar 08 21:09:45 2000 Received: (qmail 21284 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 05:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Mar 2000 05:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO node15.cwnet.frontiernet.net) (209.130.129.205) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 05:09:46 -0000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by node15.cwnet.frontiernet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA103102 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:09:44 -0500 Received: from 209-130-221-67.nas1.roc.gblx.net(209.130.221.67), claiming to be "oemcomputer" via SMTP by node15.frontiernet.net, id smtpdxbNAya; Thu Mar 9 00:09:37 2000 To: Subject: Historian Debate Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:11:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Julie & Scott" From: "Julie & Scott" Good Evening to All, I have been thinking about the proposals surrounding the "Historian's" role in the game and am hoping others will chime in with their thoughts as well. I support Proposal 304 and agree with its wording. I believe that since Chuck has created this game, he should be given the title of permanent Historian. In submitting Proposal 308, I think Jen is also correct to leave it up to Chuck (the current historian) to select other members to be the Historian if he so chooses. However, as 308 is currently written, it could be argued that, if passed, Chuck could select Matt to be Historian and then Matt could in turn select me without Chuck's consent. I can't say I'm sure how to rectify that, so what do other people think? Do we just give Chuck the lifetime role as stated in 304? Does 308 give only Chuck the power to designate future Historians? Or does it allow the scenario I mentioned above? I think what we are trying to accomplish is a way for the Historian to be in control of the official website and separate those duties from the true role of Speaker. For now, Chuck is both, but it won't always be that way. And I wouldn't want to enact a rule that could conceivably put Chuck in violation of the rules by not giving up the password to his own account! I know such an occurrence wouldn't happen, but I thought I would raise the concern to elicit discussion. Well, I'm getting veh-clempt...discuss! Happy Trails, Scott From windrant@n... Thu Mar 09 03:58:28 2000 Received: (qmail 5070 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 11:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Mar 2000 11:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 11:58:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 14810 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 11:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (198.175.11.156) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 11:58:45 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: FW: Points for Devon Jacobs (Proponent) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:03:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" -----Original Message----- From: dice@i... [mailto:dice@i...] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 7:40 AM To: windrant@n... Subject: Points for Devon Jacobs (Proponent) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Points for Devon Jacobs (Proponent) windrant@n... requested that 1 roll of a 10-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 10. Mail was sent to you at windrant@n.... (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBOMebuLyfeleUG9SNAQEnTgH8CZ11zrjpyyndz2ypwAwyO3NZd0gHp/1S pSTgWQRYFnx/QPnJ0gdbNMUgHlaanDTIMiT5BxoiuVQcHirJTIQhmA== =o1H6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From windrant@n... Thu Mar 09 04:11:30 2000 Received: (qmail 15796 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 12:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Mar 2000 12:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 12:11:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 21800 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 12:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (198.175.11.156) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 12:11:49 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Ok sorry Matt! Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:16:08 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Well let me tell the stupid shit I went through... cause of course by my own idiocy. I wanted to use a play by email server to generate teh "random" determination of points for the proponents of adopted proposals. Great idea! They send the results right to an email address and there'd be no chance of me tampering with the results. I thought it would be fair. Well, I have this server send the email to the list... however I forgot the list was set to reject email from anybody except list members. Matt's point roll ended up, again because of another mistake, with 2 dice rolls on it... so this wasn't going smoothly. According to the dice roller, Matt's points was three. However, the second roll was different. I sent a message thinking that everybody would get... but nobody did... so everything's screwed up now. Do to the mix up, I am offically rerolling Matt's die and we'll see what comes up... if it's more than 3 he gets to keep it. If it is less than 3 then he keeps the 3. sound fair? If not too bad. -Speaker Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From mattkeppel@y... Thu Mar 09 05:50:38 2000 Received: (qmail 8391 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 13:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Mar 2000 13:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web206.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.106) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 13:50:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8523 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Mar 2000 13:50:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000309135037.8519.qmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.101.115] by web206.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 05:50:37 PST Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 05:50:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Historian Debate To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Matthew Keppel From: Matthew Keppel Greetings all! Here's some additional thoughts on our current propositions... First of all, it concerns me that four of our propositions (304, 307 - 309) are intertwined and dependent on the assumption that they will all pass. If 304 were to fail, that would make 307 and 308 moot, regardless if they were to pass or fail. If 308 becomes moot or fails, so does 309. In retrospect, Jen, I think you and I should have worked together and jointly submitted a proposal encompassing 304, 307, and the first sentence of 308. It would have more clearly defined the Historian/Speaker relationship right off the bat. Maybe next time :) Second, I'm not entirely sold on these prestige points. This point system was designed to measure participation, but it has flaws. Let's say that on any given month we have 10 propositions to vote on. If player A submits one proposition and votes on two, e gains the maximum 20 PP allowed for that month. If player B submits 1 or more propositions and votes on all 10 propositions, e is considered to be on equal ground with player A. This point system also doesn't account for participation on the discussion list. PP's seem unnecessary to me since their only purpose is to decide on a future Historian, which brings me to my next set of thoughts... When and if Chuck ever decides he no longer wants to maintain the web site, he should just offer it to whoever wants the job. If more than one of us wants it, we'll put it to a vote. I think we're overlooking one very important detail: whoever takes over these duties must have certain qualifications, most notably the time and ability to update and maintain a web site!! The task shouldn't go to whoever participates the most, but rather to the one who will dedicate the necessary time to the site. Finally, I think we need to reform our point system. It bothers me that: 1) A Voter who votes for a proposal receives the same amount of points as one who abstains or doesn't vote (a great big 0 pts!) 2) You score the most points by voting against a proposition. 3) If one of your propositions fail you lose 10 pts but if it passes, you can possibly get only 1 pt. 4) The only way to lose points is by submitting a proposal. The purpose of this game is to change the rules, but the point system is stacked against those who try. If you want to win easily, all you have to do is never submit a proposal and vote against any propositions that come up. 10 passes laws and you win! It seems to me that points should be awarded to everyone who votes, regardless of how they vote, proposers should stand to earn more points than voters, and we either raise the amount of points needed to win or decrease the value of points given out (not so many 10's) Any thoughts? Your humble Nomic servant, Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From windrant@n... Thu Mar 09 10:17:11 2000 Received: (qmail 2616 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 18:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Mar 2000 18:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO alpha.bur.adelphia.net) (24.48.40.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 18:16:55 -0000 Received: from glee (ny-tupperlake2a-9.bur.adelphia.net [24.49.133.9]) by alpha.bur.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA20859 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:16:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000309130457.007a8100@guru> X-Sender: windrant@guru X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:04:57 -0500 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Historian Debate In-Reply-To: <20000309135037.8519.qmail@w...> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: "Chuck Henry (HGA)" From: "Chuck Henry (HGA)" Hi, Well to answer some of the things Matt said: >First of all, it concerns me that four of our >propositions (304, 307 - 309) are intertwined and >dependent on the assumption that they will all pass. >If 304 were to fail, that would make 307 and 308 moot, >regardless if they were to pass or fail. If 308 >becomes moot or fails, so does 309. So far we don't have a precedent of anything failing! I can't see where it would make much of a difference. Besides if a part failed while the rest did not then the part which failed would have to "patched" and resubmitted. Perhaps that would leave some interesting loopholes! [SNIP] This point system was designed to measure >participation, but it has flaws. Let's say that on >any given month we have 10 propositions to vote on. >If player A submits one proposition and votes on two, >e gains the maximum 20 PP allowed for that month. If >player B submits 1 or more propositions and votes on >all 10 propositions, e is considered to be on equal >ground with player A. This point system also doesn't >account for participation on the discussion list. >PP's seem unnecessary to me since their only purpose >is to decide on a future Historian, which brings me to >my next set of thoughts... Well, I think you miss interpreted Jen's intention and writing. If I may try to explain my wife's thinking...(usually dangerous BTW) The 20 PPs max was intented to limit what the Speaker could grant to people. Not what people could earn. Nobody whats a Speaker that could instantly grant a player 2000000000000 PPs instantly! Why would that reflect particpation? I also think that this system is meant to fix some of the difficulties or frustrations you might have about the point system as well. I'll skip to your thoughts about the point system. >It bothers me that: > >1) A Voter who votes for a proposal receives the same >amount of points as one who abstains or doesn't vote >(a great big 0 pts!) Again it is expected that everyone votes but it is just game custom... not law. If you really want everyone to vote then points are a motivator. I was hoping the PPs system could help to serve as motivation. That system could show you to be a good and loyal citizen more than just someone who can vote. >2) You score the most points by voting against a >proposition. It's called a dissenter's vote. You can find theorical examples of this in a lot of games. (IE Prisoner's Dillema) It was placed in this game to insure a certain amount of backstabbing. In this game it is to the benefit of everyone to vote positively for everything. If there's incentive to tell a proponent you're going to vote one way and then vote another... you might consider it. It keeps things random. I can guess (and did BTW) which way everybody was going to vote. Geez. Where's the fun in that? With this rule you always run a thin line. Too many people want that dissenter's points and the prop. fails! Too many people vote for it and the dissenter wins the game. Keeps things interesting. The point of this game is NOT to propose as many things as so you can win because of it! The point is to "wheel and deal" your way to victory! >3) If one of your propositions fail you lose 10 pts >but if it passes, you can possibly get only 1 pt. This is in place to keep people from putting crap up for vote. If you want it to pass talk people into voting for it. If you are unsure it'll vote write people and get them to vote for in exchange for support elsewhere. >4) The only way to lose points is by submitting a >proposal. Yup! If you put a stupid one up! The responibility for the passing of a prop. is yours. You want it to pass--- talk it out! >When and if Chuck ever decides he no longer wants to >maintain the web site, he should just offer it to >whoever wants the job. If more than one of us wants >it, we'll put it to a vote. I think we're overlooking >one very important detail: whoever takes over these >duties must have certain qualifications, most notably >the time and ability to update and maintain a web >site!! The task shouldn't go to whoever participates >the most, but rather to the one who will dedicate the >necessary time to the site. Here's my 2 cents worth. I prefer some of the stuff Jen said. The Historian position should take the "maintain" duties from the Speaker's position. I also like her statement that the Speaker chooses his successor, with the aid of the PPs. If I have 2 people with like-capabilities (in this case, Matt and Devon are equally qualified to take the Historian role... both have web experience) then I would like to have another qualification to help my decision. PPs would help to tell me how active a member of the nomic the canididates are. I wouldn't use game points in this case becuase as stated before, people who just vote against things and not particpate can large point totals. OK I guess the end result of my rant is: I do not want the game point system to change. And as far as the Historian position, I don't think any proposal regarding it is adequate at this time. But hey! You don't have to listen to me! -C ----------------------------------------------- Chuck Henry - windrant@n... ----------------------------------------------- From windrant@n... Fri Mar 10 12:11:57 2000 Received: (qmail 7945 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2000 20:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Mar 2000 20:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 20:11:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 18194 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2000 20:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (209.2.153.133) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 20:12:18 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Matt's point reroll. Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:16:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" the damned dice server didn't send me the roll. I saw it on the web page and the roll was: 5 points. I'll update the webpages soon. -C Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Fri Mar 10 12:51:01 2000 Received: (qmail 26777 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2000 20:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Mar 2000 20:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 20:51:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 7006 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2000 20:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (209.2.153.133) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 20:51:17 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Just a thought! Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:55:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Ok I lied... a couple of thoughts. First, to correct the "problem" with the points system, how about making the dissenter's point bonus 5 points and the making the proponent point bonus random number (1-10) + 5 points? So that way a proponent stands to gain slightly more points than a dissenter? Just a thought. Next, would anybody mind if I don't send the current proposals via email? I'd like to just place them up on the net and not worry about producing a straight text version for dispersal. I'd send a notification of web changes... and of course voting results, notices, news, etc. But the current proposals up for vote would remain on the pages. I'm kinda testing the water to see what people think before I do anything... please let me know. Thanks and I hope is well! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From LilBoof624@a... Sat Mar 11 11:51:11 2000 Received: (qmail 22570 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2000 19:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Mar 2000 19:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo28.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.72) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2000 19:51:12 -0000 Received: from LilBoof624@a... by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id h.e6.293c654 (3850) for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:51:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:51:04 EST Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Historian Debate To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 X-eGroups-From: LilBoof624@a... From: LilBoof624@a... After finally having a little time to reflect these propositions from my busy schedule of teaching and doing other work, and trying to rest, and not really getting on the internet for long periods oftime. I was thinking that I like the idea of PP's given to those dedicated to the game and those that have the time to participate more. However, I feel that PP's is not really an acurate way to pick who the next historian is. I feel that Chuck may be the historian for the life of the existence of this game, however if he chooses not to remain as historian at any point, he can deem anyone worthy and capable of holding the position. If PP's are only to be used as a tie breaker say if Chuck was debating between Matt and Devon, then it will be okay, but it sounded like The amount of PP's would pick who it is entirely, and someone may have more PP's and not really be deemed worthy of the position. So I think it can be an entire judgement call on the part of the historian to choose his successor. Also, what would happen if the "successor" didn't want the position. What would happen then? Steve From windrant@n... Sat Mar 11 17:36:19 2000 Received: (qmail 21882 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 01:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Mar 2000 01:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 01:36:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 1117 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 01:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (198.175.11.172) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 01:36:41 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:40:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Proposal 308 was removed from voting by the proponent. (Sat 3/11/00 6:57 PM) All votes cast for this proposal are considered void. Thanks The Speaker Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From robin770@p... Sat Mar 11 19:45:13 2000 Received: (qmail 4011 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 03:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Mar 2000 03:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 03:45:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 22145 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 03:45:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (198.175.11.155) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 03:45:34 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Contemplation of Historian Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 22:49:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Chaos" From: "Chaos" I have become a bit concerned by the recent historian debate. I realize in retrospect that we speak of the position as though Chuck isn't there. I am as guilty as anyone else in doing this. It's like saying "Chuck shall forever wear underwear the color blue" without ever approaching him on the subject nor giving him a way out if he decides to do something different. Perhaps we should think about this? I think the idea of a historian is a good one, but I don't know if we should automotically assign it to Chuck without asking him. Remember, a speaker can't vote on a proposal, there is little he can do about it. -Jen Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From jands1@f... Sat Mar 11 21:47:07 2000 Received: (qmail 18380 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 05:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Mar 2000 05:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1.onelist.org with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 05:47:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.10.29] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2000 05:47:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 05:47:01 -0000 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: Re: Contemplation of Historian Message-ID: <8afb0m+sg5o@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 Content-Length: 958 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-eGroups-From: "Scott Morgan" From: "Scott Morgan" Hi All, Just wanted to chime in on what Jen said. When I said I supported Matt's proposal to make Chuck the Historian "forevermore", I didn't mean to suggest that I was decreeing that Chuck must always be Historian. I wanted to get a discussion going that gave Chuck the power to do whatever he wanted. As I see it, we've just be trying to make a provision in the world of the game that parallels the function of webmaster that Chuck provides in the real world. I certainly don't want to make him do anything he doesn't wish to do. As far as I am concerned, Chuck will always have a say over what it takes to keep this game going and, with that power, can decide if he wants to have someone else run the site. What does everyone else think? As I interpret Matt's proposal (304), it just gives Chuck a power he already has and I don't see it affecting a future real world choice of his own volition to ask someone else to run the site. Thoughts? -Scott From windrant@n... Sun Mar 12 09:53:56 2000 Received: (qmail 18998 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 17:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Mar 2000 17:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 17:53:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 29895 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 17:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (198.175.11.157) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 17:54:18 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Reminder! Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:58:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Just a reminder! Proposals 304, 305 & 306 are due for vote on March 13th. Proposals 307, 308 & 309 are due for vote on March 14th. Also, I'd like to welcome Lonnie Henry into the game... have fun! We also lost DeeAnna this week! Win some lose some. Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From mattkeppel@y... Sun Mar 12 13:56:34 2000 Received: (qmail 843 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 21:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Mar 2000 21:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web220.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.120) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 21:54:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000312215438.25795.rocketmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.101.22] by web220.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:54:38 PST Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:54:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC: Reminder! To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Matthew Keppel From: Matthew Keppel More thoughts and whatnot: ...I was looking over the current ruleset and according to rules 208 and 209, Chuck, as Speaker, has the right of consent in certain circumstances. Seeing as how the current proposals deal with redefining the speakers role, such proposals should fall under those circumstances, shouldn't they? Or does the proposition have to directly require the Speaker's request? What I'm getting at is that Chuck has stated that he does not feel the Historian's role has been adequately defined and therefore he has the option to fail the motion if it passes with less than a 2/3 majority. I feel this is an adequate safeguard to protect the Speaker from the Voters going all crazy dictating eis role. ...Chuck: thanks for clearing up the PP's for me. I'm still not sold on them, but they make a hell of a lot more sense than before. ...what's wrong with blue underwear? :) ...my commendations to Chuck for setting up this discussion list - all this debating is keeping the game really interesting! Until Next Time, Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From jands1@f... Sun Mar 12 14:51:52 2000 Received: (qmail 4888 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 22:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Mar 2000 22:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta1.onelist.org with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 22:46:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.10.33] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2000 22:46:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:46:26 -0000 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: Statement on 304 Message-ID: <8ah6o2+7o3s@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 Content-Length: 612 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-eGroups-From: "Scott Morgan" From: "Scott Morgan" To All, Earlier in the week I rose in support of Proposal 304. On the eve of the final vote, I wish to note a change of heart. I still believe that the Proposal is a good one, but one that needs to be improved. It is clear that Chuck is not in favor of 304, so I cannot in good judgment vote to enact something that will affect his duties in such a way. I believe that we must find another way and so I must urge the voters to vote down 304. Certainly nothing against Matt, but in supporting the spirit of what Matt was attempting to do, I believe we must find something that Chuck can support. Thanks, Scott From mattkeppel@y... Mon Mar 13 04:54:06 2000 Received: (qmail 25717 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2000 12:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Mar 2000 12:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web216.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.116) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2000 12:54:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 10413 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2000 12:54:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000313125407.10412.qmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.50.146] by web216.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:54:07 PST Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 04:54:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Statement on 304 To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Matthew Keppel From: Matthew Keppel While I respect Scott's opinion, I would like to offer one final counter view. I will agree that the proposal as it stands now does not reach the potential it has, but please keep in mind that nothing that we vote on is written in stone. This proposal can be ammended. It can be added on to. It can be shaped and twisted into something that'll stand the tests of time. The simple fact remains that we need to seperate the duties of Speaker from the continuous upkeep of the web site. Proposition 304 provides us with a solid foundation to do this, one with which to build upon. If we try to define the Speaker's role in one fell swoop, we lend ourselves to endless debates and compounded complications. Instead, let us achieve our common goals by keeping things simple. Instead of trying to fix the whole thing, let's seperate each individual concern, tackle it as a group, and fix it. To conclude, The Speaker/Historian debate is perhaps the most significant problem that this game will ever have, for it is setting a groundbreaking presedence that'll dictate this game until its end. How can we reach a final destination if we don't have a starting point? Proposition 304, imperfections and all, gives us something to work off of. If you must vote it down, don't vote it down because you simply don't like it. Vote it down only if you have ideas on how to make it better, and you are prepared to work with me heavily on its revision. Thank you and good day. Your humble Nomic servant, Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From windrant@n... Mon Mar 13 18:41:05 2000 Received: (qmail 6401 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2000 02:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Mar 2000 02:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 14 Mar 2000 02:41:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 11825 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2000 02:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.8) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 14 Mar 2000 02:41:27 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Some Ideas for Discussion Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:45:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Greetings my fellow nomicicons, I have a couple of issues that I want to discuss with you. Please feel free to comment to the whole list or to me personally if you wish. However, I DO want you to comment in some way! First, I suggested this before and no one responded, so I will ask again: May I post new proposals to the web site and not bother sending the text out to the list? I will send a note detailing a web site update and polling results, point modifications, and prestige point updates. However, the note will not contain the text of proposals. I move for an informal vote on the issue of distribution of new proposals via the web site. I set the deadline for voting on this motion as Wednesday, March 15th. Please post your response and your vote on this motion to the list. Second, I think now that we have established this Nomic and its basic operating principles, that we should now open the game to players outside our immediate group of acquaintances. There are several places in which we could advertise for players on the net. However, I will respect the wishes of the entire group. If you want to keep this a "friendly" and close-knit game I will not take steps to advertise our existence. However, if you would like more players, I will begin announcing our presence to the world. I move for an informal vote on the issue of opening the game to "outsiders". I set the deadline for voting on this motion as Wednesday, March 15th. Please post your response and your vote on this motion to the list. Thank you for your time! The Speaker Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From jands1@f... Mon Mar 13 20:17:00 2000 Received: (qmail 24545 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2000 04:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Mar 2000 04:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 14 Mar 2000 04:17:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.10.65] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2000 04:17:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 04:16:54 -0000 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: Re: Some Ideas for Discussion Message-ID: <8akefm+3kk0@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 Content-Length: 570 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-eGroups-From: "Scott Morgan" From: "Scott Morgan" Hi All, Just wanted to respond to Chuck's motions before I head off to bed. As to the first, I am fine with not having the text of proposals sent out to the list. I noticed the other day that no one, myself included, had responded to Chuck's initial query on the subject. Partly the reason I put up the two new proposals. As to the second, I must say that I would much prefer to keep the game friendly and not invite unknowns off the net. I don't mind y'all having my e-mail address, but I don't think I'd like just anyone to have it. That's my two cents... -Scott From LilBoof624@a... Tue Mar 14 12:45:22 2000 Received: (qmail 5080 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2000 20:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Mar 2000 20:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo21.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.65) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 14 Mar 2000 20:45:23 -0000 Received: from LilBoof624@a... by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id h.fb.3389f56 (2701) for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:45:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:45:17 EST Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Some Ideas for Discussion To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-eGroups-From: LilBoof624@a... From: LilBoof624@a... I agree with both proposals Chuck. Steve From mattkeppel@y... Tue Mar 14 12:45:41 2000 Received: (qmail 28274 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2000 20:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Mar 2000 20:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web204.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.104) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 14 Mar 2000 20:45:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 1420 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2000 20:45:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000314204538.1419.qmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.121.127] by web204.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:45:38 PST Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:45:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Some Ideas for Discussion To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Matthew Keppel From: Matthew Keppel Greetings all! Here's my thoughts on Chuck's suggestions: If you want to just post the proposals on the web, that's fine with me. There shouldn't be any problem so long as the voters are told when the site's been updated. I have to agree with Scott on the second issue. I get enough spam as it is without giving my e-mail address away to random strangers. If we want to grow, I would suggest inviting any respective friends we may have instead. That's all for now! Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From windrant@n... Wed Mar 15 13:15:59 2000 Received: (qmail 28320 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2000 21:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Mar 2000 21:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 21:16:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 28965 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2000 21:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.57) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 21:16:21 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:20:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Well, the last set of proposals have been voted on... I've posted everything to the webpages... go check it out. I'm am not feeling well right now so I will not take the time to write out exactly the details needed. Sorry. For the time being just look at webpages... thanks -C Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From mattkeppel@y... Wed Mar 15 15:53:37 2000 Received: (qmail 27951 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2000 23:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Mar 2000 23:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web219.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.119) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 23:26:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 8292 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2000 23:26:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000315232620.8291.qmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.50.41] by web219.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:26:20 PST Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:26:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Matthew Keppel From: Matthew Keppel More inane ramblings... I'm glad my Historian proposal passed, but as I mentioned before it is merely a starting point towards a better means. I'd like to open the floor to potential ammendments. Also, since the propal passed with the minimum 2/3 votes, the Speaker's consent became a non issue. Nonetheless, I'd like to here Chuck's suggestions on the matter. As the only Speaker we've had, he's got the best insight. Of the 3 proposals I submitted, the automatic vote proposal was the one I personally thought was least likely to get voted down. Funny how these things work out. I still think it was essentially a good proposal, so I'd like feedback as to what was wrong with it and how it could have been improved. Was it really that bad, or were you all just trying to score points off me? :) On the surface, I have nothing against Scott's latest proposals. However, I'm not sure if the Speaker should have that much power. Granted, this isn't much a concern with our current crop of players, but if we ever plan on expanding, like Chuck previously suggested, then this may be a concern. You must me sick, Chuck. I've never heard of March "22TH" :) That's all for now! Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From jands1@f... Wed Mar 15 16:25:18 2000 Received: (qmail 1102 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2000 00:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Mar 2000 00:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1.onelist.org with SMTP; 16 Mar 2000 00:25:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.10.32] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2000 00:25:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:25:13 -0000 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: Matt's Automatic Vote Proposal Message-ID: <8ap9l9+d0l2@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20000315232620.8291.qmail@w...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 Content-Length: 1437 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-eGroups-From: "Scott Morgan" From: "Scott Morgan" Hi All, Just wanted to briefly respond to a couple of Matt's points. I had stated last week why I voted the auto vote proposal down, but here is an example. I too am not entirely convinced that the Speaker should have as much power as the two proposals I submitted would allow. However, I thought they were important topics that deserved a vote. As a result, I may in the end vote down one or both if someone's argument convinces me that I should. Therefore, I wouldn't want it to be the case that I had to automatically have voted "yes" in order to offer them to the group. Personally, it would probably reduce the number of proposals I would submit if Matt's auto vote proposal had passed. Just my thought... As to my two proposals, I am strongly in favor of the Speaker being allowed to submit proposals. This will allow Chuck and future Speakers to get their agenda moving. As evidenced by the fact that everyone missed Chuck's first request on just posting proposals to the Web, I think the ability to put more pressing issues up for a vote is crucial. As to the Speaker being considered a voter, I am on the fence on my own proposal. I have the feeling that others may have reasons to vote "no" that I haven't thought of, such as Matt's good point about new players. For myself, I don't think it would be a serious conflict of interest or cause too much trouble, but I'd like to hear what y'all think. Nomic-ly yours, Scott From jands1@f... Fri Mar 17 17:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 9737 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2000 01:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Mar 2000 01:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta1.onelist.org with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 01:03:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.10.69] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2000 01:03:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 01:03:24 -0000 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: Lonnie's Proposal Message-ID: <8aukks+4pvi@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 Content-Length: 409 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-eGroups-From: "Scott Morgan" From: "Scott Morgan" Hi All, Just wanted to note my support for Lonnie's new proposal. I think it allows the Speaker to take action when needed, but doesn't give too much power to one individual. Unless anyone objects, I shall withdraw proposal 311 to make way for 312. However, I will wait until tomorrow evening to send Chuck notice of my official withdrawl in case anyone has a strong feeling it should stay. Cheers, Scott From mattkeppel@y... Sat Mar 18 05:10:14 2000 Received: (qmail 11363 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2000 13:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Mar 2000 13:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web216.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.116) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 13:10:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 18393 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2000 13:10:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000318131015.18392.qmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.101.95] by web216.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 05:10:15 PST Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 05:10:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Lonnie's Proposal To: on_discussion@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-From: Matthew Keppel From: Matthew Keppel My biggest problem with Lonnie's proposal (and for that matter, Scott's as well) was that I never received any official notification that new proposals were submitted! I have no problem with Chuck's request to post the proposals on the web instead of to the discussion list, but I had thought that when new proposals were put up, we would be notified by the speaker to go and check them out on the web page. We shouldn't have to hear about a proposal second hand from another voter. It's being assumed that everyone regularly checks the site for new content on at least a daily basis, and that's not right. Why did Scott know about Lonnie's proposal before the rest of us? I move that the deadline for all three proposals be extended to reflect one week from this day (3/18/00). Let's all start on the same foot, OK? As for Lonnie's proposal in particular, I feel that it directly conflicts with rule 209. Maybe I have a strict interpretation of 209, but it states that for a proposal to pass, it must receive a simple majority of votes. Anything less, up to and including 50%, fails to meet that criteria. Now I hate ties as much as the next person (that's my biggest problem with hockey!), but I see no reason why any random proposal should be given a second chance just because it came "so darn close". Pass or fail - nothing in between. Also, under this proposal, it gives the Speaker power to directly influence the game. I have no problem with anyone being allowed to submit proposals. That's just merely introducing a new element into our little society. But the strength of the voting body is that WE have the power to decide what stays and what goes. This tie-breaker rule infringes on the Voters' power. Instead, I would like to open this proposition for debate: MPK-PROP-1 If Proposals 310 and 311 pass, ammend them with the following text: "The Speaker shall receive no points otherwise entitled under the current ruleset." My thinking is that this would set a limitation of term for whoever is Speaker. The US President gets 4 years, our Speaker get 1 game. That way, no matter how a Speaker may influence a game, it's always correctable with the next game. Any thoughts? Your humble Nomic servant, Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From windrant@n... Sat Mar 18 06:40:51 2000 Received: (qmail 17787 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2000 14:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Mar 2000 14:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 14:40:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 26869 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2000 14:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.6) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 14:41:13 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: geez Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:45:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Sorry Matt! Scott no doubt found out about lonnie's proposal from the web page where I put it up... I'm not feeling well I do what I can while sitting at the computer. Please remember that all this is at my discretion. Nothing of this is actual law. I am still within my legally defined duties. Alright? Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Sat Mar 18 06:42:10 2000 Received: (qmail 9376 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2000 14:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Mar 2000 14:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 14:42:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 27531 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2000 14:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.6) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 14:42:30 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:46:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" OFFICALLY I TELL YOU TO CHECK THE FRICKIN PAGE! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From jands1@f... Sat Mar 18 20:58:01 2000 Received: (qmail 27231 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2000 04:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2000 04:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 19 Mar 2000 04:58:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.10.32] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2000 04:58:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 04:58:01 -0000 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: Re: Lonnie's Proposal Message-ID: <8b1mop+r5s5@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20000318131015.18392.qmail@w...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 Content-Length: 2026 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-eGroups-From: "Scott Morgan" From: "Scott Morgan" Hi All, Thought I should respond briefly to what Matt said: Chuck is correct that I merely checked the website and saw the new proposal. I didn't have some secret power other than checking in regularly with the site. No one is assuming anything other than that the players are putting as much time and effort as they can into the game. As far as I am concerned, we are on the same foot here and will vote when the proposals are due for voting. As to the proposals concerning the speaker, I think we are missing a couple of key points. First, as the rules now stand, the speaker can't really play. And to the extent that the speaker can play, I don't imagine it is much fun. What's the worst that can happen? A speaker wins every game? If one speaker becomes such a pain in the you know what, we can collectively vote that person down. That's what the game is all about. Secondly, it is just a game and one set up to be conducive to all sorts of whacked up silliness or unending complexity. To me, we need to have all the players playing the game. And limiting the speaker's role to such a degree just makes that process more difficult. If we can't agree to let the speaker vote, then let's at least have the speaker participate in a tie. As the rules stand, I don't think Chuck can participate in the way he wants to and I don't think any future Speakers will either. So, rather than withdrawing proposal 311 I am going to let it come to a vote. Since there hasn't been much feedback from the players other than Matt and Lonnie, I can't be sure of the result. And while there have been some reservations about too much power for the Speaker, a little revolution now and then is a healthy thing, yes? The world won't end with a corrupt Speaker, Nomicsylvannia just might be a little more realistic. Let's let the Speaker lead. And whether that means he votes or not, breaks a tie or not, is up to us all. Personally, I say we let the speaker vote and see what happens, but that's just me... Best to all, Scott From windrant@n... Sat Mar 18 21:26:24 2000 Received: (qmail 21447 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2000 05:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2000 05:26:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 19 Mar 2000 05:26:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 10677 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2000 05:26:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.86) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 19 Mar 2000 05:26:46 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: OFFICAL RECORD 3/14, 3/15 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:31:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" This information is available on the "Information" page under the "Offical Record" subpage. I'm going to keep offical records of things as they happen each day. That way you have the complete idea of what happens each day... a day in the life of the speaker. I'm ready for my closeup Mr. Demill. Date: 3/14/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: 310 (SM), 311 (SM) Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: Adopted: 304 (MK), 306 (MK), 307(JH), 309 (JH) Failed: 305 (MK) Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) Devon +10 (Dissent 304 +10) Jen +24 (Dissent 306 +10, Author 307 +4, Author 309 +10) Lonnie +10 (Dissent 309 +10) Matthew +17 (Dissent 309 +10, Author 304 +8, Author 305 -10, Author 306 +9) Scott +30 (Dissent 304 +10, Dissent 306 +10, Dissent 307 +10) Steve +0 PPs Awards: None Page Changes: Added Custom page Notices: None! Date: 3/15/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: 312 (LH) Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: None Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Lonnie +10 PPs (Proposal 312 +10) Page Changes: Changed <<>> references in ruleset to strikes. Notices: None! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Sun Mar 19 17:20:20 2000 Received: (qmail 24685 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2000 01:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Mar 2000 01:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2000 01:20:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 14108 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2000 01:20:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.41) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 20 Mar 2000 01:20:40 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Issues... Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:24:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Now that I am at least slightly functional I'll comment on some of the issues brought up in the discussion list. First, about the motions I submitted for vote... it seems to me that most people don't mind that the proposals are put directly to the web and not circulate via the discussion list. Thank you that saves me a whole lot o' shit. I typically just format the proposals for the web. Starting soon, I will keep ALL postings I make to the discussion list on the webpage for easy reference. As Historian, it would be nice to have a more detailed record of everything that happens. I plan to make the posting from the Historian's Office the offical record of what has happen to the game state. I will soon be posting an "Offical Record" email... should be VERY detailed. Tell me what you think when you see it. Secondly, I will not advertise the Nomic to the outside world... yet. Perhaps it would be best to wait till a winner is declared in this game and a new game begins. That way we have a "test run" done all the way through. It'll no doubt help us when we get a bunch of "newbies" and veterans/refugees from other nomics starting to ask question of us. Further, as to my thoughts about the Historian position, I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't like the rules as they stand. I'm not sure I want to the Historian "forevermore"! Here's the problems I see with rules regarding the Historian as I see it. 1st- No where in the rules does it explictly say I can pass the position on to anybody. If we want a new Historian, rule 304 HAS to be amended/changed. That leaves the nomination that I make up to vote by the players. What if the proposal to make the amendment fails? Does that mean I HAVE to continue as Historian? According to 304 it does. 2nd- 304 states "As Historian, it will be Chuck's duty to... serve as list moderator for the discussion list serve." And then 307 states "The Speaker shall do no more than facilitate discussion..." Ok, whose job is it to "facilitate disscusion"? I think there is a small conflict in those 2 rules. Alright, to further the discussion, in regards to prop 310, 311, 312. I support 310. I would like to get the power to create proposals. There have been lots of opportunities where I could have submitted something which would have been nice to have. I don't think the Speaker would have suddenly the means to win the game. At least I can't think of a rule change that would do that... yet. ;) If the speaker actually gets enough points to win the game then the players aren't really trying hard enough! Besides I don't think that a second term with the same speaker would be a bad thing. Perhaps a proposal could be written to govern that possiblity. Moving on to 311 and 312. I'm not so sure that I like 311. I sat here through the last round of voting knowing which proposals I wanted to fail and which I wanted adopted. With this small number of voters, in a lot of cases, 1 vote made the difference between passing and failing. If had the power to vote I could watch the results and vote knowing that my vote would make or break a proposal. I think it would create an unfairness in the proposal system. The general setup right now stands that if I don't like a proposal that applies to the Speaker I have the right to withhold my consent. That doesn't apply to general rule changes. I can't withhold consent to just anything! I kinda have to agree with Matt... I'm not sure if 312 is really nescessary. The rules say a rule must pass by a majority vote. That's more than 50% vote. I think that 312 would provide a "polite nod" to the Speaker and his role in the game. I would be able to rescue a proposal about to fail if I thought it was a good one. It's kinda like my rant about 311, except it only occurs at the very specific situation of a tie vote. I think I like it purely because it is some form of voting rights... it makes my opinion meaningful in the game. So here's the final tally in my mind: I support 310 and 312. I do not support 311. Sorry this has been so long! Just ranting all that I have had kicking around in the back of my snot-filled head! And now time for a nap! -C Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Tue Mar 21 20:33:11 2000 Received: (qmail 16194 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2000 04:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Mar 2000 04:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 04:33:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 20611 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2000 04:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.99) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 04:33:32 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Updates 3/21/2k Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:37:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Date: 3/21/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: 313 (MK), 314 (MK) Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: None Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Matt +20 PPs (Author 313 +10, Author 314 +10 Chuck +4 PPs (2 voters have voted thus far) Page Changes: Notices: VOTES due props. 310, 311 on 3/22. VOTES due prop. 312 on 3/23 Yes, I'm feeling better! Thanks everybody who inquired! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From djacobs@n... Wed Mar 22 13:15:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19514 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2000 21:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Mar 2000 21:13:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 21:13:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 4726 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2000 21:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (209.2.153.155) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 21:13:54 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000322161411.00805a50@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:14:11 -0500 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: poof I'm Back.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Greetings all..... Been away a bit.... just catching up on things On the whole, props 310 and 311 are fine.... this is in fact the way our government currently works, however some issues have been raised about 311 that make good sense... There will be a slight problem in the case of a tie vote situation. every prop requires only 51% of votes for it to pass (except ones overturning a non-consent issue which require 2/3) knowing that the speaker sees all of the votes before the end of the voting period and always gets to vote last, there are basically 3 schools of thought 1. Speaker can't vote at all.... personally I think that kinda sux, especially if you created the game, and want to see it grow 2. speaker can only vote to break a tie..... While it's an ok theory, it usually works better when parties have formed, and people start voting party lines instead of thinking for themselves.... for the most part right now, props aren't usually that close, So the speaker only gets to vote on a few props that turn out to be ultra minor interpretations of the rules. 3. speaker votes on everything, SUCK UP AND DEAL!.... I think this is the way to go, it allows for much more interesting gameplay, and realism, the only limit I would put on this power is that the speaker would not be able to vote on consent issues. while he wouldn't be able to vote directly, he would still be able to voice his opinion and force a full 2/3 majority vote by denying consent. That way the balance of power isn't skewed too badly. Devo-nomic -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From djacobs@n... Wed Mar 22 13:48:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1883 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2000 21:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Mar 2000 21:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 21:38:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 18254 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2000 21:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (209.2.153.155) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 21:37:20 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000322164430.0080a160@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:44:30 -0500 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: DRJPROP3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE DRJPROP3 Hello Operator? To spawn a more invigorating environment, an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) chat room will be active 2 nights per week beginning at 8pm and ending at the moderator's discretion with a minimum time of 2 hours. The moderators for the first game will be Devon Jacobs and _______________________. The current chat days, chat room name and IRCServer location of the chat room will be Posted on the official OUR NOMIC website, initially the chatroom name will be OURNOMIC and the IRCServer will be _____________. The moderator has all powers entitled to em pursuant to the IRC rules governing chat room moderators. -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From jands1@f... Wed Mar 22 16:41:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30551 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2000 00:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Mar 2000 00:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 00:40:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.10.30] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2000 00:40:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:40:51 -0000 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: 311 - A last statement Message-ID: <8bbp6j+8p6u@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 Content-Length: 1900 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-eGroups-From: "Scott Morgan" From: "Scott Morgan" Hello all, Well, proposals 310 and 311 are both up tonight, but it is on 311 that I would like to give a final word of support. I know that 311 is rather sweeping in the powers it gives to the Speaker and many here are concerned about corruption. I understand these concerns, especially the pointed comment Chuck made about the potential power to control the destiny of the game. However, the corruption that has been spoken of would undoubtedly, in all cases, be a MAJOR violation of the game's rules and would be reason for being kicked out. The results of every vote are publicized, so there is little chance of a Speaker changing someone's vote. As for "controlling" the game, I must say again that only collectively does anyone have such power. So, even if a corrupt Speaker is being an ass, but not breaking the rules, we can still vote that person down. When Chuck started this game, he put up on the pulpit the two rules that prevented the Speaker from either voting or proposing. He said that he wanted to be able to play and that "rules 204 and 206 prevent me from using my powers within the game from leading the development of the game." While Chuck has changed his mind at least about completely reversing rule 206, I still believe that the game's development will be retarded if ALL players cannot vote on an equal basis. The Speaker and the Voters need to be a real group for this game to truly work and the only way I see that happening is this: one person...one vote. Yes, one of us has some additional duties to stir up conversation and such, but that person who next becomes Speaker should be truly allowed to lead by proposing and voting on what affects us all; a crucial leadership function that I don't believe our current Speaker has been allowed to provide under the current rules. So, that's my final rant and I urge you to vote yes on 310 and 311 tonight. -Scott From windrant@n... Wed Mar 22 19:59:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21628 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2000 03:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Mar 2000 03:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 03:59:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 28130 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2000 04:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.68) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 04:00:15 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] DRJPROP3 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:04:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20000322164430.0080a160@a...> X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" not a bad idea I was kinda thinking about the same type of thing. I wonder if anybody else out there is interested. oh and on the offical end of things... the Speaker recognizes DRJPROP3 as a proposition and the Speaker grants it the status reserved for propositions under rule 303. -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 4:45 PM To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: [on_discussion] DRJPROP3 From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE DRJPROP3 Hello Operator? To spawn a more invigorating environment, an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) chat room will be active 2 nights per week beginning at 8pm and ending at the moderator's discretion with a minimum time of 2 hours. The moderators for the first game will be Devon Jacobs and _______________________. The current chat days, chat room name and IRCServer location of the chat room will be Posted on the official OUR NOMIC website, initially the chatroom name will be OURNOMIC and the IRCServer will be _____________. The moderator has all powers entitled to em pursuant to the IRC rules governing chat room moderators. -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You have a voice mail message waiting for you at iHello.com: http://click.egroups.com/1/2377/0/_/_/_/953761719/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com From jands1@f... Wed Mar 22 20:33:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22438 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2000 04:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Mar 2000 04:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1.onelist.org with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 04:33:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.10.30] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2000 04:33:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:33:32 -0000 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: Re: DRJPROP3 Message-ID: <8bc6qs+kegn@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20000322164430.0080a160@a...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 Content-Length: 187 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-eGroups-From: "Scott Morgan" From: "Scott Morgan" Devon, Good idea on the chat. Why not have it at the onelist site? I go there for my messages on the list and it has a chatroom function. Ah, centralized convenience! Night All, Scott From djacobs@n... Thu Mar 23 04:03:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8864 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2000 12:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Mar 2000 12:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 12:03:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 19824 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2000 12:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (198.175.11.157) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 12:04:03 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000323071118.007d4e00@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:11:18 -0500 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Re: DRJPROP3 In-Reply-To: <8bc6qs+kegn@eGroups.com> References: <3.0.2.32.20000322164430.0080a160@a...> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Thanks Scott... I'll hafta look into that, I'm very familiar with IRC (as anyone who went to college after 1985 should be) and how things work with it, and that's why I suggested that particular means, IRC also usually doesn't have the lag associated with web based chat rooms as it uses it's own client and server. I was also considering the possibility of openong the chat to the public one of the 2 nights/week to get a little outside input and stimulate our brains a little beyond our little nomic knot. IRC would grant the moderator the power to boot non nomic members and 'bots' who are being assinine just because they have nothing better to do than go around looking for open chats to disrupt. If I do make this an official proposal I'll be looking for a volunteer to moderate one of the nights... (I think I'll be doing Thursdays) anybody wanna play???? At 04:33 AM 3/23/00 -0000, you wrote: >>>> From: "Scott Morgan" < Devon, Good idea on the chat. Why not have it at the onelist site? I go there for my messages on the list and it has a chatroom function. Ah, centralized convenience! Night All, Scott ---------- < ---------- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com <<<<<<<< -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From windrant@n... Sat Mar 25 07:03:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5793 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2000 15:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Mar 2000 15:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2000 15:03:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 6896 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2000 15:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.17) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 25 Mar 2000 15:03:58 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Official Record Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:08:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" ***Sorry- No update in the last 2 days... school play and drunken spree! Date: 3/23/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: None Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: Adopted: 310 (SM) Failed: 311 (SM), 312 (LH) Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) Scott -4 (Author 310 +6, Author 311 -10) Lonnie -10 (Author 312 -10) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Scott +5 PPs (Voted +5, 3/22/2k) Jen +5 PPs (Voted +5, 3/22/2k) Steve +5 PPs (Voted +5, 3/22/2k) Matthew +5 PPs (Voted +5, 3/21/2k) Devon +5 PPs (Voted +5, 3/22/2k) Lonnie +5 PPs (Voted +5, 3/16/2k) Chuck +8 PPs (4 voters today) Page Changes: Notices: DRJPROP3 was posted to discussion at Wed 3/22/00 4:45 PM. It is "protected" under rule 303 until Wed 3/29/00. See rule 303 for details. Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Mon Mar 27 14:48:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20817 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2000 22:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Mar 2000 22:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 22:48:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 9233 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2000 22:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.20) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 22:48:58 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:53:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Date: 3/27/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: None Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: Nothing due! Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Page Changes: Updated Proposals, Dead Proposals, Current ruleset pages (Should have been done 3/23/2k) Notices: Props 313, 314 due for vote tomorrow (3/28/2k) Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Tue Mar 28 12:28:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11863 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2000 20:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Mar 2000 20:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2000 20:28:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 16842 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2000 20:28:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.29) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 28 Mar 2000 20:28:26 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: A new Proposal Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:32:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Using my newly instated powers... I hereby submit a proposal: "Just Reward" Whereas rule 211 states "Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive." The rule should be reworded to read "Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points plus a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive." Comments: It just think there should be a bit more incentive to submit proposals... right now as it stands there is more reason to avoid modifing the rules and dissent on proposals than to modify the rules. Just a thought! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Thu Mar 30 04:07:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14624 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2000 12:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Mar 2000 12:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 12:07:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 12646 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2000 12:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.63) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 12:08:04 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:12:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Date: 3/28/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: 315 (CH) Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: Adopted: 313 (MK), 314 (MK) Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) Matthew +5 (Author 313 +2, Author 314 +3) Scott +10 (Dessent 314 +10) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Matthew +5 PPs (Voted +5, 3/28/2k) Devon +5 PPs (Voted +5, 3/27/2k) Jen +5 (Voted +5 3/28/2k) Scott +5 (Voted +5 3/28/2k) Chuck +8 (4 voters today) Page Changes: Added Nomic Web Ring Stuff... still doesn't work yet. (Not my fault! Webring Owner's fault!) Notices: I'm going on vacation from April 7th till April 17th or so. You can still discuss things on the list and send things to the Speaker but nothing will be processed until my return. Sorry! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Fri Mar 31 12:44:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17660 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2000 20:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 31 Mar 2000 20:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Mar 2000 20:44:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 14592 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2000 20:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.97) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 31 Mar 2000 20:44:26 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:48:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Date: 3/31/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: 316 (DJ) Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Devon +10 PPs (Author 316 +10) Chuck +10 PPs (Author 315 +10, forgot to add them on 3/28) Page Changes: I made some cosmetic changes to the pages... nothing too big. Notices: I'm going on vacation from April 7th till April 17th or so. You can still discuss things on the list and send things to the Speaker but nothing will be processed until my return. Sorry! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Sun Apr 16 08:52:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30438 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2000 15:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Apr 2000 15:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Apr 2000 15:52:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 11735 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2000 15:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.167) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 16 Apr 2000 15:53:05 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Update 4/16/2K Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 11:57:17 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Date: 4/16/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: None Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: Passed: 315 (CH), 316 (DJ) Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck: +20 (Author 315 10 + 10) New points system! see 316 & 108. Devon: +12 (Author 316 10 + 2) Matthew: +10 (Dessent 316) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck: +6 (3 voters this period.) Devon: +5 (Voted 4/7/00) Matthew: +5 (Voted 4/6/00) Scott: +5 (Voted 4/5/00) Page Changes: Notices: Speaker's Office is open again! We have no new proposals... yet! There's lot's of motivation now! Check out rule 316! That's a lot of points! If you want to be the next Speaker, get writing! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Mon Apr 17 18:59:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3559 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2000 01:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Apr 2000 01:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Apr 2000 01:59:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 26787 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2000 01:59:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.98) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 18 Apr 2000 01:59:56 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:04:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-From: "Windrant" From: "Windrant" Date: 4/17/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: 317 (CH) Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck: -10 (Careful inspection of rule 309 says "A voter will receive 10 PPs for every proposal submitted to the speaker...". Therefore points awarded on 3/31/2k are being removed) Page Changes: Notices: Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From djacobs@n... Tue Apr 18 05:10:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15185 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2000 12:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Apr 2000 12:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Apr 2000 12:10:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 29018 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2000 12:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (198.175.11.144) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 18 Apr 2000 12:10:54 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000418081605.008084f0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:16:05 -0400 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: IRC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Greetings nomicrons, I have arrived back from vacation and am nearly recovered from the trip.... I am currently setting up the stuff for the IRC chat. here's the plan: I'm going to create a package for distribution that contains the following: a preconfigured IRC client set to join the nomic chat on activation documentation for the IRC client, cause I know some of you like to tweak documentation on how to set up an IRC client of your own choosing info on where to get such clients rules/guidelines for the nomic IRC sessions basic topic submission forms (more about that later) these files will also be available for individual download, and the rules/guidelines will be posted on the website. I am planning to make full transcripts of IRC sessions available for download on the nomic site for those unable to attend sessions, or who would like to refer back to a good idea or argument later on (kind of like meeting minutes) to get us going, I'll pick a starting topic each session which will show up when you log into IRC, these topics will be drawn from you... included with the IRC packet will be a topic submission form which you can fill out and send to me to post on IRC. Have a hot topic or a prop you want to get some opinions on? this lets you hit people with your question as soon as they log in.... now nothing says we have to stick to the topic!, in fact feel free to discuss anything you want, this is after all an open forum!!!! so air out your dirty laundry, cajole people into voting for your props, or offer up some new ideas.... it's your nomic! more to come later.... *******************NOTICE********************** I'm still looking for a volunteer to be my lackey and administer the IRC channel on another day of the week and when I have to be away!!!!! e-mail me if you're interested!!! -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From djacobs@n... Tue Apr 18 05:29:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4590 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2000 12:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Apr 2000 12:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Apr 2000 12:29:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 8025 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2000 12:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (198.175.11.144) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 18 Apr 2000 12:30:11 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000418083715.00809980@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:37:15 -0400 To: on_discussion@onelist.com Subject: DRJPROP4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE DRJPROP4 Public Information Act Each nomic player is endowed with the certain rights set forth in the current ruleset of Nomicsylvania, and as an active member thereof has the privilege of amending said ruleset in accordance with current laws. The amendment of the Nomicsylvania ruleset affects all players, and therefore the course of events leading to any change in law or custom is deemed to be the concern of all members of the body, whether or not they choose to actively participate. Therefore any information, discussion, debate, or other communication that takes place in any type of open forum (including nomic run IRC channels as set forth in R-316), public postings, or nomic governed mail list is hereby considered public information and must be made available to all members of Nomicsylvania. -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From windrant@n... Mon Apr 24 13:17:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6210 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2000 20:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Apr 2000 20:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 20:13:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 11516 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2000 20:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.179) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 20:13:32 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Reminder Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:17:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Prop. 317 is due for a vote by midnight tonight... if anybody's home please vote for it! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From mattkeppel@y... Mon Apr 24 13:52:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28458 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2000 20:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Apr 2000 20:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 20:48:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 904 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2000 20:48:50 -0000 Received: from web213.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.113) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 20:48:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 29580 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2000 20:48:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000424204850.29579.qmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.120.123] by web213.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:48:50 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC: Reminder To: on_discussion@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Matthew Keppel Wow, time flies when your visiting the 'rents and sibs. Anyhow, I vote in favor of the current proposition. Talk to you later! Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From lhenry@n... Mon Apr 24 19:58:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9611 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2000 02:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Apr 2000 02:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO q8.egroups.com) (10.1.2.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Apr 2000 02:58:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 2757 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2000 02:58:20 -0000 Received: from aldus.northnet.org (198.175.11.2) by mx3.egroups.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2000 02:58:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 1386 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2000 02:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lonniehenry) (209.4.94.51) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 25 Apr 2000 02:58:40 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01bfae61$feed79a0$335e04d1@lonniehenry> To: References: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC: Reminder Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:57:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "Lonnie Henry" yes vote ----- Original Message ----- From: Windrant To: Nomic Discussion Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 4:17 PM Subject: [on_discussion] NOMIC: Reminder > Prop. 317 is due for a vote by midnight tonight... if anybody's home please > vote for it! > > > Charles Henry > windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get 3 months FREE and a chance to WIN a trip to London, England when > you receive, manage and pay your bills online with Paytrust.com! > Stamps, checks and bills in your mailbox are history. 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Tue Apr 25 04:02:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20358 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2000 11:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Apr 2000 11:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Apr 2000 11:02:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 27094 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2000 11:03:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.82) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 25 Apr 2000 11:03:09 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Update Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:07:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Date: 4/24/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: None Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: Passed: 317 (CH) Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck: +18 (Author 317) Jen: +10 (Dissent 317) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck: +8 (4 players voted) Jen: +5 (Voted 4/24/2000) Matthew: +5 (Voted 4/24/2000) Devon: +5 (Voted 4/24/2000) Lonnie: +5 (Voted 4/24/2000) Page Changes: Notices: None today! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Wed Apr 26 20:32:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30366 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2000 03:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Apr 2000 03:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 03:32:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 17287 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2000 03:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.124) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 03:33:17 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Comission or Omission? Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:37:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" This fine Nomic has been operating for nearly 2 months now... I am pleased with our progress. We have wonderful active players who never fail to delight me with their cleverness and creativity. However, we do have one party that has NEVER particpated in any capacity: Justin Buck. JUSTIN, IF YOU ARE OUT THERE LISTENING... PLEASE RESPOND! This brings a question to my mind: Should something be done to force communication? If he is just "lurking" and enjoying watching us play... should we discourage him? Or is he just not checking his email? If we legislate a way of booting him off... could that very same boot visit one of us someday? Is there a standard we should set? Just some thoughts... Also, I have noticed taht now the snow is gone, the level of particpation has... calmed a little. Should we take a summer vacation of some form? Should we legislate a recess? Again more idle thoughts. Hope everyone had a happy bunny day! Shhhh... I'm huntin' wabbits. ;) -C Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Wed Apr 26 20:33:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31348 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2000 03:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Apr 2000 03:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 03:32:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 17253 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2000 03:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.124) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 03:33:14 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE 4/26/2k Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:37:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Date: 4/26/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: 318. "NO OUTRAGEOUS BRITISH ACCENTS" (DJ) Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: None Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck: +2 (1 players voted) Scott: +5 (Voted 4/24/2000) Sorry! Devon: +10 (Author 318) Page Changes: None. Notices: None. Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Fri Apr 28 20:18:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4636 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2000 03:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Apr 2000 03:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Apr 2000 03:18:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 7912 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2000 03:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tweaknfreak) (216.238.37.14) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 29 Apr 2000 03:18:39 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:22:55 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Date: 4/28/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: None Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: None Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck: -2 (See notices below.) Scott: +5 (See notices below.) Page Changes: Linked to "Chat" page on Devon's website. Notices: After noticing that I forgot to give Scott credit for a vote recently in the official records, I decided to do an internal audit of the score points and prestige points systems. I found a couple of flaws in my book keeping. Now everything should be correct. Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Thu May 04 13:17:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10711 invoked from network); 4 May 2000 20:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 May 2000 20:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 May 2000 20:17:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 29323 invoked from network); 4 May 2000 20:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.71) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 4 May 2000 20:17:18 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: UPDATE! Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:21:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "Windrant" Incoming: New Proposals: 319 "SCHOOL'S OUT...FOREVER!" (CH) Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: Failed: 318 (DJ) Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) Devon: -10 (Author 318) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck: +6 (3 voters) Scott: +5 (Voted 5/3/2000) Jen: +5 (Voted 5/3/2000) Devon: +5 (Voted 5/3/2000) Page Changes: Notices: Devon has set up our IRC channel and configured a MIRC package for us. Tonight at 8:00 PM is the first test chat session. If you are interested in talking with Devon and myself directly go to the "Chat" link on the Information page of Our Nomic and follow the easy directions. See you tonight! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From djacobs@n... Thu May 04 17:16:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17756 invoked from network); 5 May 2000 00:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 May 2000 00:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 May 2000 00:16:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 25568 invoked from network); 5 May 2000 00:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (209.2.153.140) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 5 May 2000 00:16:25 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000504201836.00810460@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:18:36 -0400 To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: NOMIRC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} HEY FOLKS.... IT'S 8:17PM, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR CHILDREN ARE???? THE NOMIRC CHAT IS UP AND RUNNING TILL MIDNIGHT GET ON AND BROWBEAT SOMEBODY TONIGHT!!!!!!!! -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From windrant@n... Fri May 05 16:25:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10138 invoked from network); 5 May 2000 23:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 May 2000 23:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 May 2000 23:25:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 9976 invoked from network); 5 May 2000 23:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.52) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 5 May 2000 23:25:39 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Update Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:29:53 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Date: 5/05/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: 320 "PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT" (DJ) 321 "HELLO? IS ANYBODY THERE?" (JH) Withdrawls: None New Player Registration: None Outgoing: Voting Results: Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Devon: +10 (Author 320) Jen: +10 (Author 321) Page Changes: Notices: The test of the nomIRC was successful! Devon and I hung out online together for about a hour. The full transcript is available on the chat page. Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From djacobs@n... Wed May 10 03:50:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16988 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 10:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 May 2000 10:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 10 May 2000 10:50:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 29765 invoked from network); 10 May 2000 10:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (198.175.11.170) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 10 May 2000 10:50:31 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000510065236.0080e8f0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 06:52:36 -0400 To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: *****NOMIC ALERT***** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Final testing stages have been completed!!! All is in order and ready to roll!!!! Tomorrow (Thursday) night is a NOMIRC night, so download the client and come chat with us!!!! Pop in any time between 8pm and midnight!!!! stay for an hour, stay for a beer! or stay the whole time!!!! it's up to you. remember, this is YOUR nomic, lets participate!!!!! if you have any problems downloading or installing the client, contact me at: djacobs@n... and I will get you up and running ASAP!!!! -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From windrant@n... Thu May 11 04:05:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24632 invoked from network); 11 May 2000 11:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 May 2000 11:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 May 2000 11:05:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 4663 invoked from network); 11 May 2000 11:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.70) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 11 May 2000 11:05:45 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Reminders! Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:09:53 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Greetings everyone! Just some reminders: First, proposals 319 "School's Out...Forever",320 "Public Information Act", 321 "Hello, is Anybody Out There?" are due for votes. 319 is due by midnight tonight. 320 & 321 are due tomorrow night by midnight. Second, NomIRC is going to be running again tonight from 8 till midnight. If you are interested in talking with Devon or myself and the rest of the nomic players please plan to join us. Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From LilBoof624@a... Fri May 12 18:00:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22478 invoked from network); 13 May 2000 01:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 May 2000 01:00:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo19.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.9) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 May 2000 01:00:46 -0000 Received: from LilBoof624@a... by imo19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id a.cb.56321ff (3958) for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:00:42 EDT Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC: Reminders! To: on_discussion@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 102 From: LilBoof624@a... In a message dated 5/11/00 7:05:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, windrant@n... writes: << www.northnet.org/windrant >> I vote yea for the two props up for tonight! Steve From windrant@n... Sat May 13 07:46:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28126 invoked from network); 13 May 2000 14:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 May 2000 14:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 May 2000 14:46:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 3802 invoked from network); 13 May 2000 14:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.143) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 13 May 2000 14:47:09 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:51:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Date: 5/13/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: None Withdrawls: None Player Registration: Justin Buck has withdrawn himself from the mailing list. He has not contacted the Speaker to be officially removed from the game state. Unless anyone has an objection, I will remove him from the game as of now. Outgoing: Voting Results: Passed: 319 (CH), 320 (DJ), 321 (JH) Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck: +13 (Author of 319) Devon: +18 (Author of 320) Jen: +13 (Author of 321) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck: +10 (5 Voters) Devon: +5 (Voted 5/12/2000) Jen: +5 (Voted 5/12/2000) Scott: +5 (Voted 5/12/2000) Steve: +5 (Voted 5/12/2000) Lonnie: +5 (Voted 5/6/2000) Page Changes: Notices: Reminder! The NomIRC is open and running every Thursday from 8-12. Drop in and say hi! Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Thu May 18 17:09:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26727 invoked from network); 19 May 2000 00:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 May 2000 00:09:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 May 2000 00:09:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 16557 invoked from network); 19 May 2000 00:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.52) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 19 May 2000 00:10:03 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: A Motion for a recess... Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:14:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Under rule 319 "School's Out...Forever!" in the current ruleset, I move for a recess. The recess shall commence upon 2/3 majority positive vote and last until August 18th, 2000. This motion needs two supportive motions to passed. These must be posted to open forums by 8:15PM Friday, May 19th, 2000 in order to support this motion. Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From djacobs@n... Thu May 18 17:14:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5261 invoked from network); 19 May 2000 00:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 May 2000 00:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 May 2000 00:14:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 20028 invoked from network); 19 May 2000 00:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (198.175.11.172) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 19 May 2000 00:15:04 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000518201404.0081c220@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:14:04 -0400 To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] A Motion for a recess... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} I second the motion At 08:14 PM 5/18/00 -0400, you wrote: >>>> Under rule 319 "School's Out...Forever!" in the current ruleset, I move for a recess. The recess shall commence upon 2/3 majority positive vote and last until August 18th, 2000. This motion needs two supportive motions to passed. These must be posted to open forums by 8:15PM Friday, May 19th, 2000 in order to support this motion. Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant ---------- < ---------- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com <<<<<<<< -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From djacobs@n... Thu May 18 19:02:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14045 invoked from network); 19 May 2000 02:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 May 2000 02:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 May 2000 02:02:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 24300 invoked from network); 19 May 2000 02:03:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (198.175.11.172) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 19 May 2000 02:03:15 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000518220521.007fcaf0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:05:21 -0400 To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: nomIRC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar}
*****NOMIRC WAS SHUT DOWN AT 10PM THIS EVENING DUE TO LACK OF INTEREST*****
as nobody is participating in the IRC forum, as acting moderator I shut down the nomIRC server at 10pm on May 18, 2000 pursuant to rule 316. Based on the outcome of the pending motion to suspend, nomIRC will be suspended for the same time period and will resume on the Thursday following August 18, 2000. 316. "HELLO OPERATOR?" To spawn a more invigorating environment, an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) chat room will be active 2 nights per week beginning at 8pm and ending at the moderator's discretion with a minimum time of 2 hours. The moderators for the first game will be Devon Jacobs and _______________________. The current chat days, chat room name and IRCServer location of the chat room will be Posted on the official OUR NOMIC website, initially the chatroom name will be OURNOMIC and the IRCServer will be _____________. The moderator has all powers entitled to em pursuant to the IRC rules governing chat room moderators. Adopted April 16th, 2000. In Favor: DJ, SM. Opposed: MK -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From jands1@f... Thu May 18 21:20:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 789 invoked from network); 19 May 2000 04:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 May 2000 04:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.28) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 May 2000 04:20:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 27241 invoked from network); 19 May 2000 04:20:46 -0000 Received: from n7.onelist.org (HELO fj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.46) by iqh.egroups.com with SMTP; 19 May 2000 04:20:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.10.120] by fj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2000 04:20:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 04:20:41 -0000 To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: Re: A Motion for a recess... Message-ID: <8g2fep+qre@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 544 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster From: "Scott Morgan" Hi All! I wholeheartedly "third" the motion! -Scott --- In on_discussion@egroups.com, "Windrant" wrote: > Under rule 319 "School's Out...Forever!" in the current ruleset, I move for > a recess. The recess shall commence upon 2/3 majority positive vote and > last until August 18th, 2000. > > This motion needs two supportive motions to passed. These must be posted to > open forums by 8:15PM Friday, May 19th, 2000 in order to support this > motion. > > Charles Henry > windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From windrant@n... Sat May 20 05:02:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 683 invoked from network); 20 May 2000 12:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 May 2000 12:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 May 2000 12:02:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 13918 invoked from network); 20 May 2000 12:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.174) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 20 May 2000 12:02:39 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] Re: A Motion for a recess... Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 08:06:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8g2fep+qre@eGroups.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" With this support. the motion is waiting for support or opposition from 2/3 of the voters. That's four people out of six voters. Devon and Scott may I count your support of the motion as a vote of support? In that case we wait for 2 more people to vote. Please respond to this motion. You have until May 26th, 2000. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Scott Morgan [mailto:jands1@f...] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 12:21 AM To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] Re: A Motion for a recess... Hi All! I wholeheartedly "third" the motion! -Scott --- In on_discussion@egroups.com, "Windrant" wrote: > Under rule 319 "School's Out...Forever!" in the current ruleset, I move for > a recess. The recess shall commence upon 2/3 majority positive vote and > last until August 18th, 2000. > > This motion needs two supportive motions to passed. These must be posted to > open forums by 8:15PM Friday, May 19th, 2000 in order to support this > motion. > > Charles Henry > windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 72% off on Name brand Watches! Come and buy today and get free shipping! http://click.egroups.com/1/4011/1/_/815700/_/958710048/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com From LilBoof624@a... Sat May 20 08:38:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20072 invoked from network); 20 May 2000 15:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 May 2000 15:38:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r16.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.70) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 May 2000 15:38:03 -0000 Received: from LilBoof624@a... by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id a.b8.5f62a68 (4559) for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:37:57 EDT Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Re: A Motion for a recess... To: on_discussion@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 102 From: LilBoof624@a... I vote for the recess Steve From mattkeppel@y... Sat May 20 14:02:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15671 invoked from network); 20 May 2000 21:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 May 2000 21:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web205.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.105) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 May 2000 21:02:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 7434 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2000 21:02:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000520210234.7433.qmail@w...> Received: from [63.15.101.90] by web205.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:02:34 PDT Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [on_discussion] Re: A Motion for a recess... To: on_discussion@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Matthew Keppel I support the motion for a recess. Matt Keppel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From robin770@p... Sat May 20 17:52:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4689 invoked from network); 21 May 2000 00:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 May 2000 00:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 May 2000 00:52:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 26156 invoked from network); 21 May 2000 00:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.80) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 21 May 2000 00:52:35 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Yay! Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:56:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chaos" I wholeheartedly agree. -Jen Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From jands1@f... Mon May 22 09:44:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26301 invoked from network); 22 May 2000 16:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 May 2000 16:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.27) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 May 2000 16:44:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 8261 invoked from network); 22 May 2000 16:44:17 -0000 Received: from n3.onelist.org (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by iqg.egroups.com with SMTP; 22 May 2000 16:44:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.10.103] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 May 2000 16:44:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:44:10 -0000 To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: Re: A Motion for a recess... Message-ID: <8gbo4q+l4jv@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 92 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster From: "Scott Morgan" Chuck, Yes, you can count my support of the motion as a vote for a recess! -Scott Morgan From djacobs@n... Tue May 23 04:32:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5491 invoked from network); 23 May 2000 11:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 May 2000 11:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 May 2000 11:32:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 6038 invoked from network); 23 May 2000 11:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (198.175.11.139) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 23 May 2000 11:32:47 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000523071750.00801d90@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:17:50 -0400 To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: recess Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} sleep, nomic, sleep........ good boy -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From windrant@n... Fri May 26 10:49:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30400 invoked from network); 26 May 2000 17:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 26 May 2000 17:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 May 2000 17:49:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 14019 invoked from network); 26 May 2000 17:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.54) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 26 May 2000 17:50:10 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:54:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" As of Friday, May 26th 2000 Our Nomic is in recess. This recess will last until August 18th, 2000. During this time, the Nomic Discussion will be operative. However there will be no official posts from the Speaker's Office due that the office is closed. NomIRC will be closed for the duration of the recess. I wish everyone a great summer and I look forward to hear from you in the fall. Charles Henry windrant@n... ~ www.northnet.org/windrant From on_discussion@egroups.com Thu Jun 01 03:51:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23292 invoked by uid 7800); 1 Jun 2000 10:51:08 -0000 Date: 1 Jun 2000 10:51:08 -0000 Message-ID: <959856668.17520@egroups.com> From: on_discussion@egroups.com To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: File - reminder.txt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *******This is just a reminder!********** Our Nomic is in recess until August 18th! ***************************************** From on_discussion@egroups.com Tue Aug 01 04:46:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26906 invoked by uid 7800); 1 Aug 2000 11:46:56 -0000 Date: 1 Aug 2000 11:46:56 -0000 Message-ID: <965130416.15213@egroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files From: on_discussion@egroups.com To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: File - reminder.txt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *******This is just a reminder!********** Our Nomic is in recess until August 18th! ***************************************** From windrant@n... Fri Aug 18 19:41:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20628 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2000 02:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Aug 2000 02:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Aug 2000 02:41:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 21438 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2000 02:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.25) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2000 02:42:10 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Session 2 Begins Now! Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:46:06 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Greetings fellow Hell-Ass Kings! The recess called on May 26th, 2000 has ended. We begin again. Right now, Scott Morgan is in the lead, followed by my lovely wife Jennifer. There are issues to deal with first... namely who's still in the game? If you intend to continue playing please let me know. I want to start a recruitment drive to increase our numbers but it helps to know what we're starting with. Next, you'll notice that the Our Nomic pages have changed. I spent a couple of days rewriting and formating the pages. We had grown out of our "old clothes" and needed some new threads... I hope you like them... they're not drastically different but hopefully they're easier to navigate. Please notify me if you find any bugs! Right now I'm working on a new acounting system for the points and props so that the next Speaker (whoever it might be) will have an easier time keeping track of the game... in fact if this works out it should ALMOST run itself. Lastly to kick the show off... I humbly submit 3 new proposals and so for the first time in Session II, Game 1... Date: 3/14/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: 322. "BE ALL THAT YOU CAN BE..." (CH) 323. "SUCKS TO BE YOU!" (CH) 324. "WHAT THE HELL..." (CH) Outgoing: Voting Results: Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Page Changes: Everything is new... please report errors. Thanks! From djacobs@n... Mon Aug 21 07:29:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6299 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2000 14:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Aug 2000 14:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Aug 2000 14:29:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 32013 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2000 14:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (209.2.153.175) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 21 Aug 2000 14:30:04 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000821103041.008221b0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:30:41 -0400 To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Session 2 Begins Now! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} I'm in, but I may need a LOA for move time, remember verizon just came off strike, so getting a phone may be a trick At 10:46 PM 8/18/00 -0400, you wrote: >Greetings fellow Hell-Ass Kings! > >The recess called on May 26th, 2000 has ended. We begin again. Right now, >Scott Morgan is in the lead, followed by my lovely wife Jennifer. > >There are issues to deal with first... namely who's still in the game? If >you intend to continue playing please let me know. I want to start a >recruitment drive to increase our numbers but it helps to know what we're >starting with. > >Next, you'll notice that the Our Nomic pages have changed. I spent a couple >of days rewriting and formating the pages. We had grown out of our "old >clothes" and needed some new threads... I hope you like them... they're not >drastically different but hopefully they're easier to navigate. Please >notify me if you find any bugs! > >Right now I'm working on a new acounting system for the points and props so >that the next Speaker (whoever it might be) will have an easier time keeping >track of the game... in fact if this works out it should ALMOST run itself. > >Lastly to kick the show off... I humbly submit 3 new proposals and so for >the first time in Session II, Game 1... > >Date: 3/14/2000 >Incoming: > New Proposals: > 322. "BE ALL THAT YOU CAN BE..." (CH) > 323. "SUCKS TO BE YOU!" (CH) > 324. "WHAT THE HELL..." (CH) >Outgoing: > Voting Results: > Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) > PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) >Page Changes: Everything is new... please report errors. Thanks! > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > > -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From windrant@n... Mon Aug 21 10:18:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23685 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2000 17:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Aug 2000 17:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Aug 2000 17:18:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 26451 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2000 17:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.97) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 21 Aug 2000 17:18:26 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] Session 2 Begins Now! Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:22:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20000821103041.008221b0@a...> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" You are excused from voting until you notify me otherwise! -C -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 10:31 AM To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Session 2 Begins Now! I'm in, but I may need a LOA for move time, remember verizon just came off strike, so getting a phone may be a trick At 10:46 PM 8/18/00 -0400, you wrote: >Greetings fellow Hell-Ass Kings! > >The recess called on May 26th, 2000 has ended. We begin again. Right now, >Scott Morgan is in the lead, followed by my lovely wife Jennifer. > >There are issues to deal with first... namely who's still in the game? If >you intend to continue playing please let me know. I want to start a >recruitment drive to increase our numbers but it helps to know what we're >starting with. > >Next, you'll notice that the Our Nomic pages have changed. I spent a couple >of days rewriting and formating the pages. We had grown out of our "old >clothes" and needed some new threads... I hope you like them... they're not >drastically different but hopefully they're easier to navigate. Please >notify me if you find any bugs! > >Right now I'm working on a new acounting system for the points and props so >that the next Speaker (whoever it might be) will have an easier time keeping >track of the game... in fact if this works out it should ALMOST run itself. > >Lastly to kick the show off... I humbly submit 3 new proposals and so for >the first time in Session II, Game 1... > >Date: 3/14/2000 >Incoming: > New Proposals: > 322. "BE ALL THAT YOU CAN BE..." (CH) > 323. "SUCKS TO BE YOU!" (CH) > 324. "WHAT THE HELL..." (CH) >Outgoing: > Voting Results: > Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) > PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) >Page Changes: Everything is new... please report errors. Thanks! > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > > -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com From jands1@f... Thu Aug 24 19:21:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1070 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2000 02:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Aug 2000 02:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mw.egroups.com) (10.1.2.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 02:21:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.10.110] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2000 02:21:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:21:28 -0000 To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: New Props Message-ID: <8o4l78+j8l5@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 837 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.57.106.174 From: "Scott Morgan" Hi All, Just wanted to put in my two cents before tomorrow's vote. I think Chuck's proposals are good ones and are necessary to help keep the game alive. However, I'm not so sure about 323. I understand that we don't want to put potential players in a hole when they start out, but I don't think it's fair to have new players be put ahead of current active players. We only play to 100 points for each round and I think the new player could benefit from observing in their first game. If we want to give them a fighting chance as well as incentive to start, perhaps 25 points or a total equal to the lowest player's score would be better. But I don't think we should have a scenario that puts current players quickly behind an eight ball just to encourage new blood. Anyone else have a thought? Just My Opinion, Scott From windrant@n... Fri Aug 25 08:21:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2755 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2000 15:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Aug 2000 15:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 15:21:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 12481 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2000 15:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.175) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 25 Aug 2000 15:21:24 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Reminder! Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:25:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Reminder everyone: 322, 323, 324 are due for vote tonight by midnight! Thanks! Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From windrant@n... Mon Aug 28 06:31:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14501 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2000 13:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Aug 2000 13:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Aug 2000 13:31:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 14414 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2000 13:32:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.190) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 28 Aug 2000 13:32:11 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Update 8/25/2000 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:36:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Date: 8/25/2000 Outgoing: Voting Results: Passed: 322 (CH), 324 (CH) Failed: 323 (CH) Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck: +21 (Author of 322, +17. Author of 324, +14. Author of 323, -10) Matthew: +10 (Dissent 324) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck: +6 (3 Voters) Jen: +5 (Voted 8/25/2000) Matthew: +5 (Voted 8/25/2000) Scott: +5 (Voted 8/25/2000) Notes: Sorry about taking so long to update... got busy around here! From windrant@n... Tue Aug 29 19:11:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6306 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 02:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Aug 2000 02:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 02:11:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 29958 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 02:11:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.156) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 02:11:47 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Update! Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:15:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Date: 8/29/2000 Incoming: Player Registration: Added Jorgen Blomberg. Outgoing: Notices: Please welcome Jorgen! Jorgen is an experienced player and probably won't require much mentoring... but if he needs help the Speaker's Office is accepting volunteers. Welcome aboard Jorgen! From djacobs@n... Tue Sep 05 20:03:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25639 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2000 03:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Sep 2000 03:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Sep 2000 03:03:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 9182 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2000 03:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (209.2.153.175) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 6 Sep 2000 03:03:20 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000905230538.0081f6c0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 23:05:38 -0400 To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: gone but not forgotten.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Hey guys, glad to see you all back.... As you may have noted a few mails back, requested a short leave, without much explanation. Here's the deal, I just finished working at the castle (where I have no connection to the outside world) and have to pull up tent stakes and move my entire life to my new job in Plattsburgh. I will be without a phone and net service for a bit, but if verizon doesn't miss their install date, I should be back up and running by sometime next week. Chuck has kept me posted on current events here, and things are looking good. I have a bunch of ideas in the works for when I come back too. ALSO, I need to know how many people are seriously interested in the noMIRC chat sessions, that were started just before we broke for summer. If there are enough people interested, I am still willing to host sessions once or twice a week. BUT I NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU!!! please e-mail me or the list if you are interested in participating in the chat sessions, so I can set things up again... Thanks all, see you in a week or two.... -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From djacobs@n... Tue Sep 19 20:03:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_0_1); 20 Sep 2000 03:03:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 23253 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2000 03:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Sep 2000 03:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Sep 2000 03:03:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 23601 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2000 03:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO djacobs) (198.175.11.170) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 20 Sep 2000 03:03:44 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000919230605.007dc100@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:06:05 -0400 To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: Little pigs, little pigs, let me back in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} alright, all you wild and crazy Nomicsylvanians, I'm all moved in to my cozy new old house, and it's time for this damn-hell-ass king to come back and stir things up a bit..... so as soon as our almighty speaker belches his permission, I shall return to the ranks...... -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Web -> http://www.northnet.org/darkstar E-mail -> djacobs@n... Netrek -> Darkone (DD) Diablo -> Moadib (Warrior) Quakeworld -> Darkstar (Deathmonger) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From windrant@n... Mon Sep 25 18:34:32 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_0_3); 26 Sep 2000 01:34:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 18397 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2000 01:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 26 Sep 2000 01:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Sep 2000 01:34:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 16381 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2000 01:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.19) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 26 Sep 2000 01:34:42 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC update Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:38:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" I officially change Devon's status to 'active'. Before someone points out that the rules specify a 24 hour time frame, I know and apologize to Devon. I say a loud 'BOWBEAT BOWBEAT BOWBEAT' I hope the matter is closed. Welcome back Devon! From windrant@n... Mon Oct 09 19:51:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_1_0); 10 Oct 2000 02:51:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 15173 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 02:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Oct 2000 02:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 02:51:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 5806 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 02:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.126) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 02:51:50 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" , "Devon Jacobs {Darkstar}" Subject: RE: DRJPROP5 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:55:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20001009190315.007f7420@a...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Devon, I'm confused... is this a proposal that I should act on or is this a proposition as stated in rule 303? Any protection afforded by rule 303 is considered to be in effect as of now in the case of it being a proposition. If it's a proposal then I will enter it into the hopper as soon as you give me the go ahead. (Sheesh! You wrote 303 for godsakes!) Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@a...] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 7:03 PM To: on_discussion-owner@egroups.com Subject: DRJPROP5 PROPOSAL DRJPROP5 Suspension of NomIRC This proposal hereby suspends rule 316:the NomIRC system. This temporary suspension is brought about by general lack of interest and / or participants in this particular medium. The suspension will be automatically lifted when Our Nomic Membership exceeds 20 players, at which time rule 316 will return to active status as originally written. -Devon From windrant@n... Tue Oct 10 04:06:07 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_1_0); 10 Oct 2000 11:06:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 27926 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 11:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Oct 2000 11:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 11:06:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 2470 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 11:06:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.133) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 11:06:25 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: AND NOW A WORD FROM OUR SPONSOR... Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:10:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Greetings, I would like to take this opportunity to encourage folks to jump in and participate! I've written 3 proposals since our break and I'd like to see some more come about. At this rate, I may win. I'm not even sure it's legal under the ruleset. Also, Our Nomic must find new fresh blood to survive. The new rules in the ruleset are designed to provide ample incentive for you to find people to join the game and to keep them playing. Take advantage of the tremendous almost FREE points you could earn! Now's the time to start emailing the world about our game. Please, please, please recruit some people and let's get a fresh start... the winter is coming! Soon the boredom will be here. Now that I'm done ranting... I've got ideas for some interesting rules that'll get some discussion started. Let's hear some of yours! -C Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From windrant@n... Tue Oct 10 15:13:42 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_1_0); 10 Oct 2000 22:13:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 15522 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 22:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Oct 2000 22:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 22:13:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 17413 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2000 22:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.49) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 10 Oct 2000 22:13:43 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE: 10/10 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:17:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Date: 10/10/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: 325. Suspension of NomIRC PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Devon +10 (Author 325) Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From windrant@n... Tue Oct 17 16:22:27 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_1_0); 17 Oct 2000 23:22:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 24634 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2000 23:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Oct 2000 23:22:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Oct 2000 23:22:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 380 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2000 23:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.64) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 17 Oct 2000 23:22:43 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Reminder Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Reminder!!!! Proposal 325 is up for vote!!!! Please vote by 11:59PM EST today. Thanks. Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From windrant@n... Tue Dec 12 08:01:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 16:01:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 21606 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 16:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 16:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 16:01:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 4064 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 16:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.117) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 16:02:15 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC: Old Unsent Update Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:05:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Hi! Long time no see... this was meant to go out on October 17th but I got busy. Here it is: Outgoing: Voting Results: Passed: 325 (DJ) Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) Devon: +14 (Author of 325, +14) Scott: +10 (Dissent 325) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck +8 (4 Voters) Devon +5 (Voted 10/17) Jen +5 (Voted 10/17) Lonnie +5 (Voted 10/17) Scott +5 (Voted 10/17) From windrant@n... Tue Dec 12 08:01:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 16:01:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 910 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 16:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 16:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 17:03:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 4096 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 16:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.117) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 16:02:18 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC Update!!! Current this time. Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:05:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Date: 12/12/2000 Incoming: New Proposals: www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/Props.html 326. HOLY HAND GRENADE OF ANTIOCH 327. THE GUY IN THE BIG RED SUIT From windrant@n... Wed Dec 13 14:49:22 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 22:49:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 4997 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 22:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 22:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 22:49:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 23018 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 22:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.27) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 22:49:43 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE! 12/13 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:53:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Date: 12/13/2000 Incoming: Player Registration: Added John Henry. Outgoing: Notices: Please welcome John! That brings the Henry Count to 4! Move over Kennedys! Welcome aboard John! The Speaker's Office is now accepting volunteers for mentoring. See rule 324 for complete details. Thanks! From windrant@n... Sun Dec 17 18:10:18 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 02:10:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 9509 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 02:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 02:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 02:10:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 23461 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 02:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.37.191) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 02:10:37 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Nomic website update Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:14:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" I've taken a couple of days and played with my new software a little to see what I could do with it... and guess who is the test subjects are? that's right! The humble players of Nomic. Please go to the new site and check it out. Not everything is functional yet... but it is awful damn close. Give me some feed back about how useful it is... please? All right! Reminder there's 2 props up for vote by Tuesday. Happy Holidays! Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From windrant@n... Wed Dec 20 15:07:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 23:07:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 3900 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 23:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 23:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 23:07:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 15863 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 23:08:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freak) (216.238.36.181) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 23:08:04 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:11:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" December 20th, 2000 Incoming: Outgoing: Voting Results: Adopted: 326 (CH) Failed: 327 (CH) Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck +1 (Author 326, +11, Author 327, -10) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Scott +5 PPs (Voted +5, 12/19/2k) Jen +5 PPs (Voted +5, 12/19/2k) Matthew +5 PPs (Voted +5, 12/19/2k) Devon +5 PPs (Voted +5, 12/19/2k) Lonnie +5 PPs (Voted +5, 12/19/2k) Chuck +10 PPs (5 voters today) Notices: Check out the new homepages... From windrant@n... Tue Jan 02 16:12:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 00:12:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 90174 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 00:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 00:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 01:13:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 24105 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 00:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.59) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 00:13:15 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:16:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" January 2nd, 2001 Incoming: New Player Registration: Added Kip Martin! Mentoring: John Henry will be mentored by Jen Henry. Mentoring will last until January 23rd, 2001. Speaker's Office now accepting volunteers for mentoring for Kip. Outgoing: Notices: Please welcome Kip to Our Nomic! Kip's "a software developer and bluegrass musician with an MA in Linguistics." That makes 10 players folks!!! Please review the recruiting rules and the mentoring rules... easy points to be had! ;) Perhaps we can clear 20 players by the end of this new century! (hehehe) From windrant@n... Sun Jan 07 19:23:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Jan 2001 03:23:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 49250 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2001 03:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Jan 2001 03:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 03:23:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 18486 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2001 03:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.95) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 03:23:32 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:27:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" January 7th, 2001 Incoming: New Props: 328. Our What? What Kind of Name is That? (CH) Outgoing: Nothing at this point. Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic The (Former) Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From windrant@n... Wed Jan 10 09:34:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 17:34:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 12318 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 17:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 17:23:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 18:24:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 27000 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 17:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.28) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 17:23:42 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:27:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Wednesday, January 10th, 2001. Notices: Devon has been assigned as Kip's mentor. The mentoring will last until January 31st. Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic The (former and 1st) Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From windrant@n... Thu Jan 11 19:13:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 03:13:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 95218 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 03:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 03:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 03:07:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 26622 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 03:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.36.99) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 03:07:45 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:11:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" January 11th, 2001 Incoming: New Proposal: 329. FRIENDS, NOMICSYLVANIAN, AND COUNTRYMEN... (CH) Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic The (Former and 1st) Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From windrant@n... Mon Jan 15 18:28:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 02:28:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 87743 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 02:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2001 02:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 02:10:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 6382 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 02:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.36.66) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 02:10:32 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE! Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:13:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" January 14th, 2001. Incoming: Mentoring Assignments: John Henry mentored by Jen Henry till 1/23/01. Kip Martin mentored by Devon Jacobs till 1/31/01. Proposals Posted: 329. FRIENDS, NOMICSYLVANIAN, AND COUNTRYMEN… (CH) 1/18/01 330. I'LL WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH A BAR OF SOAP YOU LITTLE SCAMP! (DJ) 1/21/01 331. IS IT "NOMM-IC" OR "NOME-IC"? , NEITHER! IT'S NOMIC (DJ)1/21/01 Outgoing: Voting Results: Passed: 328. (CH) In Favor: JH, SM. Opposed: MK. Absent: JB, DJ, SC, LH. Excused: JoH, KM. Quorum = 2 (20%) Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck (+15 Author of 328.) Matt (+10 Dissent 328.) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Devon +20 PPs (Author 330 +10, Author 331 +10) Chuck +6 PPs (3 players voted!) Jen +5 (Voted 1/14/01) Matt +5 (Voted 1/14/01) Scott +5 (Voted 1/14/01) Outcomes: In accordance with rule 317 "YOU MAY CALL ME... TIM" I award Devon Jacobs the title "Grand Silly Kniggit". Devon has earned this title for being the first person to clear the 100 PPs mark. The title of "Lesser Silly Kniggit" and "Poor Bastard" are yet to be awarded. Hats off to Grand Silly Kniggit Devon Jacobs! Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic The (1st and Former... and looking like the only) Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From djacobs@n... Thu Jan 25 13:44:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 21:44:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 74329 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 21:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 21:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 21:25:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 30015 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 21:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (209.2.153.169) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 21:25:43 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010125162948.007e9cb0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:29:48 -0500 To: on_discussion@egroups.com Subject: *****NOTICE***** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} DUE TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES THE SPEAKER'S E-MAIL ADDRESS HAS CHANGED. PLEASE SEND ALL PROPS, VOTES, INQUIRIES, AND OFFICIAL NOMIC TRAFFIC TO chuck@w... THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE -DEVON JACOBS TEMPORARY VOICE OF THE SPEAKER From windrant@n... Sun Jan 28 12:06:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 20:06:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 21427 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 20:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 20:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 20:05:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 9772 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 20:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.88) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 20:06:15 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Nomic Update! Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:09:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" 1/28/01 Incoming: Player Status Change: Steven Colabufo has entered inactive player status. According to rule 321. IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE? Steve has missed 5 consecutive votes and therefore slips into the inactive status. He suffers a penalty of 10 PPs. He is also the current holder (as far as the Speaker knows) of the Holy Handgrenade of Antioch. If you recieved the Handgrenade from Steve please contact the Speaker's Office. The Speaker's address has changed! Chuck can now be reached at chuck@w... Outgoing: Voting Results: 329 Failed (CH) In favor: DJ, JH. Opposed: Joh, MK. Absent: JB, LH, SM, SC. Excused: KM. 330 Failed (DJ) In favor: DJ, JoH. Opposed: JH, SM. Absent: MK, JB, LH, SC. Excused: KM. 331 Passed (DJ) In favor: DJ, Joh, SM. Absent: JH, LH, SC, JB, MK. Excused: KM. Score Changes: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck -10 (-10 Author of 329.) Devon +4 (-10 Author of 330, +14 Author of 331.) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Chuck +18 PPs (5 players voted on 1/18, 4 players voted on 1/21) Devon +10 PPs (Voted on 1/18 and 1/21) Jen +10 PPs (Voted on 1/18 and 1/21) John +10 PPs (Voted on 1/18 and 1/21) Scott +10 PPs (Voted on 1/18 and 1/21) Matt +5 PPs (Voted on 1/18) Steve -10 PPs(Inactive player status as of 1/21) Outcomes: Rule 328. OUR WHAT? WHAT KIND OF NAME IS THAT? states: "Any player that is interested in participating in the NTF should submit a letter of intent to the Speaker within 3 days of the adoption of this proposal. The first respondent will be given the title 'Head of Name Task Force'. [snip] If there are no respondents, or not enough respondents, the Speaker will randomly choose a person to be the "Head of Name Task Force". That person then will have the authority to draft players into the NTF to bring the membership to 3. " The Speaker's Office admits to screwing this one up by not reminding the players that we were looking for volunteers. Therefore I open up the three day period again. The new established deadline for volunteers before manditory recruitment is midnight EST on Wednesday, January 31st, 2001. Please do your part! Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From windrant@n... Thu Feb 01 18:28:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 2 Feb 2001 02:28:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 72470 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2001 02:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Feb 2001 02:21:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Feb 2001 02:21:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 22853 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2001 02:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.36.48) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 2 Feb 2001 02:21:55 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Nomic Update! Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:25:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" 2/1/01 Incoming: New Proposals 322. Support your local lobbyist (http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/props.htm) Outgoing: PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals) Devon +10 PPs (Author 322) Notices: There were no volunteers for the NTF. Therefore according to 328 I must randomly assign the leadership role of the NTF to a player. I will make my determination within the next 24 hours. In this random assignment, inactive players will not be considered nor players who are considered excused (official or not). That certainly limits the pool. Should have volunteered ya know! Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From windrant@n... Sun Feb 04 07:40:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 4 Feb 2001 15:40:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 25407 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2001 15:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2001 15:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Feb 2001 15:40:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 29297 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2001 15:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.32) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 4 Feb 2001 15:40:41 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Nomic Update! Lots 'o stuff to talk about! Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 10:44:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" February 4th, 2001. Incoming: New Player Registration: Added: Susano Otter. The Speaker's Office is now accepting volunteers for a Mentor. See 324 for details. Mentoring: John Henry's mentoring ended Jan. 23rd. (You will be asked for an evaluation soon.) Kip Martin's mentoring ended Jan. 31st. (You will be asked for an evaluation soon.) New Proposals (http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/props.htm) 333. WHAT'S THE POINT IF YOU CAN'T BLOW THINGS UP? (MK) Due February 11th, 2001. 334. I AM HALLMARK'S LITTLE PATSY (MK) Due February 11th, 2001. 335. BORDOM BRINGS STRANGE PROPS (MK) Due February 11th, 2001. 336. GOD BLESS CARTOON NETWORK (MK) Due February 11th, 2001. Outgoing: PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Matthew +40 (Author 333, 334, 335, 336) Outcomes: 317 has auto amended itself. Devon Jacobs is now "Devon Jacobs the Grand Silly Kniggit" Matthew Keppel is now "Matthew Keppel the Lesser Silly Kniggit" (Congrats!) Steven Colabufo is now "Steven Colabufo the Poor Bastard" The Speaker's Office accepts the help of Matthew Keppel as "Head of Name Task Force" under rule 328. Notices: You may have noticed that there is a new page on the webpages. I will be getting a online voting mechanic set to make voting for the props easier. This hopefully will help our sagging participation and simplify my bookkeeping. I'll let you know whn its ready for a trial run. In the meantime, pressing submit will do nothing at all! From djacobs@n... Mon Feb 05 13:43:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 5 Feb 2001 21:43:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 76825 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2001 21:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2001 21:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Feb 2001 22:44:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 19814 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2001 21:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (209.2.153.147) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 5 Feb 2001 21:43:39 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010205164718.00804a30@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:47:18 -0500 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Hey folks, remember voting day for prop 332 is the 8th of this month... that's THURSDAY!!! I urge you to support this prop, as it will get people more involved in game play and make the game more enjoyable by working into the game a little competition, mini alliances, and the ability to play on other folks to get your props passed!!! -Devon Jacobs Grand Silly Kniggit! ***************** SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST Any proposal submitted directly to the speaker for voting (including those of submitted by the speaker) under rule 204 must be accompanied by at least two (2) letters of support written by separate players other than the author to qualify for voting. Any proposals not meeting these conditions will be rejected by the speaker. These letters of support must be submitted to the speaker in the same manner as a proposal would be. This support must be gained through direct communication with other players. The on_discussion mailing list may not be used to lobby for support of a proposal that will be submitted directly to the speaker for voting. Players submitting letters of support on the behalf of the author of a proposal are in no way obligated to vote in favor of that proposal. Any proposal submitted to all members of the on_discussion mailing list for debate before submission to the speaker for voting under rule 303 is exempt from this rule. Any proposals rejected by the speaker for not meeting the conditions of this rule may be resubmitted in their original text under rule 303.=20 Comments from Proponent: Hey folks, it's time to see where everyone's loyalties lie=85 This prop will allow you to find out if you're going to ha= ve enough votes to pull it off before you submit it. It will get people talking, making allies, and hopefully get the game moving a bit=85 And remember just cause you write a letter of support for a prop, doesn't mean you have to vote for it later!!! From djacobs@n... Thu Feb 08 04:26:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 8 Feb 2001 12:26:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 44931 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2001 12:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2001 12:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Feb 2001 12:26:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 30575 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2001 12:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.166) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 8 Feb 2001 12:27:06 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010208073043.007e0d90@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 07:30:43 -0500 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Hey everybody, just wanted to remind you all that today is Thursday, Febuary 8th!!! votes for prop 332 are due by midnight tonight!! thank you for your support! -Devon Jacobs Grand Silly Kniggit From windrant@n... Fri Feb 09 10:17:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 9 Feb 2001 18:17:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 46076 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2001 18:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2001 18:17:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Feb 2001 19:19:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 20130 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2001 17:54:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.145) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 9 Feb 2001 17:54:01 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Nomic Update Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:57:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" February 4th, 2001. Incoming: Recruitment: Jen has recruited Aurora. 6 successful votes remain. New Player Registration: Added: Aurora Bewicke. The Speaker's accepts Jen Henry's offer to mentor Aurora. Mentoring: Aurora's mentoring will end March 2nd. The Speaker's Office is still looking for a volunteer to mentor Susano. In 24 hours, someone will be drafted. Outgoing: Voting Results: 322 Passed (DJ) In favor: DJ, JH, JoH, LH, MK, SO. Absent: SM, SC. Excused: JB, KM. *** Please reread this rule before sending anymore proposals to me--- this is a major change in game mechanics. *** Point Awards: (see Players page for current totals. (http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Devon +19 (Author 332) Jen +15 (Successful Mentoring Experience for John) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals. (http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Chuck +12 (6 players voted) Devon +5 (Voted 2/8) Jen +5 (Voted 2/8) John +5 (Voted 2/8) Lonnie +5 (Voted 2/8) Matt +5 (Voted 2/8) Susano +5 (Voted 2/8) Notices: From windrant@n... Fri Feb 09 15:58:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 9 Feb 2001 23:58:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 94498 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2001 23:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2001 23:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 10 Feb 2001 00:59:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 11329 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2001 23:58:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.114) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 9 Feb 2001 23:58:42 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Nomic Announcement! Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:02:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" February 9th, 2001. As the First Speaker of Our Nomic, I am proud to award the first prestige point bonus "for service 'above and beyond' the ruleset" to Devon Jacobs. I make this award under the authority vested to me by rule 309. I award Devon 20 PPs. The Grand Silly Kniggit has earned this bonus by writing a fine document entited "Nomic Primer". This primer is an introduction to Our Nomic. The document covers both formalized procedures and informal customs that we use. I believe that anyone who takes a learner under rule 324 should consider using Devon's work as "required reading" for the learner. Congratulations Devon on a job well done! The Nomic Primer can be found on the Our Nomic webpages under Welcome|Forums. (http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/forums.htm) Soon I will be renaming the Forums section and calling it the "Library". Hopefully, the Library will become a repository for great Our Nomic related documents. I encourage all players to help fill the library with other great works. Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From djacobs@n... Sat Feb 10 06:55:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 10 Feb 2001 14:55:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 76404 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2001 14:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2001 14:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Feb 2001 14:55:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 10678 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2001 14:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.169) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 10 Feb 2001 14:55:34 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010210095856.007fa5a0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:58:56 -0500 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: silly awards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Oh grand and wondrous speaker, it is with most humble thanks that I accept this gift that you have bestowed upon me. That such trivial works of mine can put joy in the hearts of the voters gives me unbounded pleasure. I seek not fame and fortune, but only the ability to serve and please others with my inane babbling. But hey!, if you liked that one, look for my next book; 'the trials and tribulations of a grand silly kniggit' . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- From windrant@n... Mon Feb 12 18:52:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 13 Feb 2001 02:51:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 2069 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 02:51:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2001 02:51:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 02:51:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 16000 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 02:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.75) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 02:52:19 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Nomic Update Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:55:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" February 12, 2001. Incoming Mentoring: Aurora's mentoring will end March 2nd. Susano's mentoring will end March 5th. New Player Registration: Chuck is now Susano's mentor. Player Status Changes: Aurora is excused until eis starts voting. (See Notices below) Kip is excused until eis starts voting. (See Notices below) Jorgen is excused until eis starts voting. (See Notices below) Outgoing: Voting Results: Passed: 333. WHAT'S THE POINT IF YOU CAN'T BLOW THINGS UP? (MK) In favor: DJ, JH, JoH, LH, MK, SM. Absent: SC, SO. Excused: JB, KM. Passed: 334. I AM HALLMARK'S LITTLE PATSY (MK) In favor: DJ, JH, JoH, LH, MK, SM. Absent: SC, SO. Excused: JB, KM. Failed: 335. BOREDOM BRINGS STRANGE PROPS (MK) In favor: MK. Opposed: DJ, JH, JoH LH,SM. Absent: SC, SO. Excused: JB, KM. Failed: 336. GOD BLESS CARTOON NETWORK (MK) In favor: DJ, MK,SM. Opposed: JH, JoH, LH. Absent: SC, SO. Excused: JB, KM. Point Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Matt +9 (+15 Author 333, +14 Author 334, -10 Author 335, -10 Author 336.) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Chuck +12 (6 voters) Devon +25 (+20 Speaker's Award, +5 Voted 2/11) Jen +5 (+5 Voted 2/11) John +5 (+5 Voted 2/11) Lonnie +5 (+5 Voted 2/11) Matt +5 (+5 Voted 2/11) Scott +5 (+5 Voted 2/11) Notices: I am extending a courtesy to Aurora, Kip and Jorgen. The unofficial rule has been that I do not move a new player to Active player status until eis starts voting. I really haven't said it aloud on any forum until recently. I say it now because I'm seeking to codify the Speaker's procedures so that my successor, whoever that may be, will have an easier time taking over the duties. (I look forward to playing as a voter!) If someone would like to officially write this up, please do. Also, I have decided to mentor Susano. Nobody volunteered within the 24 hours and we have a lot of folks working on various projects so I seemed the least busy. Made sense. Please remember that any proposals you make must have 2 letters of support from voters other than yourself. No lobbying is permitted on the discussion list. If you want someone to support your prop you must contact them directly! Lastly, 334 I AM HALLMARK'S LITTLE PATSY requires that everybody know each other's birthday. I suggest rather than I posting a list of birthdays, that you post your birthday to the discussion list and it becomes YOUR responsibility to keep track of the birthdays. Adds a nice layer of competitiveness to it! With that said... my birthday is the summer solstice, June 21st... the Cusp of Gemini and Cancer if you're into that sort of thing. From robin770@p... Mon Feb 12 20:28:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: robin770@p... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 13 Feb 2001 04:28:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 72963 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 04:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Feb 2001 04:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 04:28:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 20016 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 04:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.75) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 04:28:49 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: My Birthday!!! Jot it down!!! Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:32:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chaos" Okay.......my b-day is April 1st 1978.......that's right......on the day of Fools (insert stereotypical pun here)......and yes I'm barely old enough to drink........ From mattkeppel@y... Tue Feb 13 08:00:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mattkeppel@y... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 13 Feb 2001 16:00:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 65858 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 16:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Feb 2001 16:00:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.24) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 17:01:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20010213160023.74812.qmail@w...> Received: from [64.30.151.138] by web12104.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:00:23 PST Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:00:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] My Birthday!!! Jot it down!!! To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Matthew Keppel If if remember Jen's birthday, mine shouldn't be too hard then - Mine is March 30th, 2 days before Jen's! (We never did have that combined Orientation party with Kevin Hoyt, did we?) I was actually born on Easter Sunday, so feel free to worship my birthday as a religious holiday! Your humble Nomic Servant, Matt Keppel Lesser Silly Kniggit, Head of NTF, and all around fun guy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From windrant@n... Tue Feb 13 15:05:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 13 Feb 2001 23:05:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 47457 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 23:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2001 23:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 23:05:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 10514 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 23:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.36.134) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 23:05:52 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Nomic: Call for Judgement CFJ001 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:09:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" February 13th, 2001. A Call for Judgement has been made. According to rule 214, "If judgement was invoked by a Voter, then the first Judge to be selected to judge that statement shall be the Speaker." I will have one week to rule on the case. The legal judgements are true, false, or undecided. "The judgement may be accompanied by reasons and arguments, but such reasons and arguments form no part of the judgement itself. If a judgement is accompanied by reasons and arguments, the Speaker must distribute the reasons and arguments along with the judgement. " See rules 213-217 for details. Assigned Case ID: CFJ001 Plaintiff: Jen Judge: Chuck Verdict Due Date: February 20th, 2001. Text of Call for Judgement: I strongly believe that there should be a hiatus in submitting and voting on proposals until there is a greater level of clarity provided regarding Rule 332 "Support your local lobbyist." I feel that without further clarity there will be a wide variation in how proposals are submitted, and that players may get their proposals rejected due to misunderstanding of the ruleset. First and foremost, the rule does not CLEARLY state how proposals and letters of support from other players are to be submitted to the Speaker. Rule 332 states that 2 letters of support must ACCOMPANY a proposal sent to a speaker. However, further along in the rule it is stated that "These letters of support must be submitted to the speaker in the same manner as a proposal would be." It becomes unclear whether a player is to send a COMPLETE package containing the proposal itself and the 2 letters DIRECTLY to the speaker. This would require the player submitting the proposal to either pass their proposal around and have people attach their supportive comments (in which case after two series of supportive comments the proposal would be forwarded to the author who would then forward it on to the Speaker), or devise another method of ensuring that the Speaker received both letters and proposal together. If the letters of support are to be sent to the Speaker DIRECTLY FROM THE LOBBYIST the author of the proposal has no way of knowing if they have achieved the support of two other players, nor are they able to view the comments made by other players to improve their proposal before submission. It is not stated in Rule 332 whether the author retains the right to read the comments made by other players targeted to lobby a proposal. It is feasible that the Speaker could receive a negative letter from a targeted lobbyist. Lastly, it also is not stated in Rule 332 whether the Speaker is allowed to be a lobbyist. The Speaker has no voting rights, yet is not omitted from commenting and agreeing with a proposal. Can we target the Speaker for lobbying? It is my interpretation that presently we should forward our new proposals to other players in an effort to gain support. To do this we should send our proposal via email to other players and have the other players make their comments directly in the same email containing the proposal. The header of the email must be maintained as it is passed to each player to ensure to the speaker that the comments were made from lobbyists and not merely by the author. After lobbyists have approved the proposal and made any comments they will return the email to the original author who in turn will have the opportunity to read the comments and apply any suggestions to the proposal. The author in turn will forward the completed proposal to the Speaker, once again with the headers retained. Since it is not stated in Rule 332 it is interpreted that the Speaker can serve as a lobbyist. It is also interpreted that we as authors retain our right to view all comments and criticism regarding proposals. From djacobs@n... Tue Feb 13 22:21:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 14 Feb 2001 06:21:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 14209 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2001 06:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Feb 2001 06:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Feb 2001 06:21:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 5766 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2001 06:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (209.2.153.140) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 14 Feb 2001 06:22:14 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010214012542.007f6740@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:25:42 -0500 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: DRJPROP10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE DRJPROP10 PREAMBLE: RE: Assigned Case ID: CFJ001 Plaintiff: Jen Judge: Chuck Verdict Due Date: February 20th, 2001. excellent points Jen.... this is part of what we are trying to achieve with the proposal itself, is to get input on it before it is submitted and we have to overhaul it later.... therefore the following prop is up for debate: DRJPROP10 Support your local lobbyist Ver 2.0 The following amendments will be made to rule 332:(0000,0000,ffffADDITIONS IN BLUE, ffff,0000,0000DELETIONS IN RED) Any proposal submitted directly to the speaker for voting (including those of submitted by the speaker) under rule 204 must be accompanied by at least two (2) letters of support written by 0000,0000,fffflobbyists, defined as0000,0000,ffff separate players 0000,0000,ffff(including the speaker)0000,0000,ffff other than the author, to qualify for voting. 0000,0000,ffffThese letters must forwarded in their entirety to the speaker by the author at the same time the text of the proposal is submitted. The e-mail headers of support letters must be maintained as it is passed from the lobbyist, to the author, and finally to the speaker, to ensure that the comments were made from lobbyists and not merely by the author. The support letter must also contain the final text of the proposal as it was submitted by the author.0000,0000,ffff Any proposals not meeting these conditions will be rejected by the speaker. ffff,0000,0000[STRIKE: These letters of support must be submitted to the speaker in the same manner as a proposal would be.] 0000,0000,ffff This support must be gained through direct 0000,0000,ffffe-mail0000,0000,ffff communication with other players. The on_discussion mailing list= may not be used to lobby for support of a proposal that will be submitted= directly to the speaker for voting. = 0000,0000,ffffWhen posting the proposal to the= web pages for voting, the speaker shall include with the proposal the= initials of any and all players (lobbyists) whose letters were submitted in= support of said proposal. Upon posting of the proposal, it is the= responsibility of each respective lobbyist to review the text of the= proposal to be sure it is identical to that which they approved. Any= variation from the text approved by a lobbyist and the posted proposal= shall be grounds for a call for judgement under rules 213-217, and the= speaker shall in a timely fashion provide to the judge in any such case,= any and all support letters submitted to the speaker regarding the proposal= in question.0000,0000,ffff= Players submitting letters of support on the behalf of the author= of a proposal are in no way obligated to vote in favor of that proposal.= Any proposal submitted to all members of the on_discussion mailing list for= debate before submission to the speaker for voting under rule 303 is exempt= from this rule. Any proposals rejected by the speaker for not meeting the= conditions of this rule may be resubmitted in their original text under= rule 303. =20 . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- =20 From windrant@n... Wed Feb 14 03:19:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 14 Feb 2001 11:19:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 47863 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2001 11:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2001 11:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Feb 2001 11:19:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 9230 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2001 11:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.44) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 14 Feb 2001 11:19:41 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] DRJPROP10 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:23:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0964E.9AE9C140" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20010214012542.007f6740@a...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0964E.9AE9C140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok Devon.... better but still not quite there. When posting the proposal to the web pages for voting, the speaker shall include with the proposal the initials of any and all players (lobbyists) whose letters were submitted in support of said proposal. Ok that is no problem and I can see the point. Upon posting of the proposal, it is the responsibility of each respective lobbyist to review the text of the proposal to be sure it is identical to that which they approved. Any variation from the text approved by a lobbyist and the posted proposal shall be grounds for a call for judgement under rules 213-217, and the speaker shall in a timely fashion provide to the judge in any such case, any and all support letters submitted to the speaker regarding the proposal in question. Why does the proposal have to be the same? What if the proponent actually took the suggestions of the lobbyist and made changes? If the lobyist signed off on it with suggested changes then the prop would be different. Besides I think it would be fun to have lobbyists be surprisedby what actually goes up versus what they approved. The orignial intention behind this prop I think was to create a communication between players in the creation process. The lobbyists aren't "approving" the proposal as much as working with the proponent to help their chances of winning. It also could add a bit of bartering to the process. "I'm not going to sign off on this until I see a paragraph about..." If the proponent didn't like the idea for that paragraph he could just go elsewhere. The chances that the second lobbyist would like the prop could be decreased... I just think that we don't need to be so tight about it, that's all. BTW if you read the rules in 231-217 carefully, the Speaker only judges the first case.... beyond that it determined by a randomly assigned judge. I'm not sure that CFJ is the best way to solve "disputes" over wording on props. Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic The Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0964E.9AE9C140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok=20 Devon.... better but still not quite there.
When posting the proposal to the web pages for voting, the=20 speaker shall include with the proposal the initials of any and all playe= rs=20 (lobbyists) whose letters were submitted in support of said=20 proposal.  
 
Ok=20 that is no problem and I can see the point.
 
Upon posting of the proposal, it is the responsibility of ea= ch=20 respective lobbyist to review the text of the proposal to be sure it is=20 identical to that which they approved. Any variation from the text approv= ed by=20 a lobbyist and the posted proposal shall be grounds for a call for judgem= ent=20 under rules 213-217, and the speaker shall in a timely fashion provide to= the=20 judge in any such case, any and all support letters submitted to the spea= ker=20 regarding the proposal in question.
 
W= hy does the=20 proposal have to be the same?  What if the proponent actually took the= =20 suggestions of the lobbyist and made changes?  If the lobyist signed o= ff on=20 it with suggested changes then the prop would be different.  Besides I= =20 think it would be fun to have lobbyists be surprisedby what actually goes u= p=20 versus what they approved.   The orignial intention behind this p= rop I=20 think was to create a communication between players in the creation=20 process.  The lobbyists aren't "approving" the proposal as much as wor= king=20 with the proponent to help their chances of winning.  It also could ad= d a=20 bit of bartering to the process.  "I'm not going to sign off on this u= ntil=20 I see a paragraph about..."  If the proponent didn't like the idea for= that=20 paragraph he could just go elsewher= e.  The chances that the second lobbyist woul= d like=20 the prop could be decreased...   I just think that we don't = need=20 to be so tight about it, that's all.
 
B= TW if you=20 read the rules in 231-217 carefully, = =20 the Speaker only judges the first case.... beyond that it determined by a=20 randomly assigned judge.  I'm not sure that CFJ is the best way to sol= ve=20 "disputes" over wording on props. 
 

Chuck Henry
Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic
The = Holder=20 of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch
www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic=20

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0964E.9AE9C140-- From jorgen.blomberg@t... Thu Feb 15 04:00:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jorgen.blomberg@t... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 15 Feb 2001 12:00:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 82568 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 12:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2001 12:00:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.enator.se) (193.15.240.50) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 12:00:53 -0000 Received: from epost3.enator.se (gk4dmz2-epost3.enator.se [147.13.239.3]) by mail2.enator.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15473 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:00:49 +0100 Received: from svingali ([147.13.168.248]) by epost3.enator.se (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62) with SMTP id 2138 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:00:49 +0100 To: Subject: PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE JOBPROP1 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:05:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: jorgen.blomberg@t... PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE JOBPROP1 "Kicking and Screaming" There is a quality associated with players called "dignity". A player either has dignity or no dignity. All players are assumed to have dignity unless they have stated on the on_discussion mailing list that they have given up their dignity. A player with no dignity can regain eis dignity by making a statement to that effect on the list, but only if eis prestige points exceeds eis score at that time. When a player with no dignity gets a negative modification to eis score, prestige points will be deducted instead at the rate of five(5) prestige points per score point deducted. This conversion only occurs if the player has a positive prestige point total equal to or exceeding five times the amount of the score penalty incurred. //J.B. From djacobs@n... Thu Feb 15 04:26:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 15 Feb 2001 12:26:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 56546 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 12:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Feb 2001 12:25:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 13:27:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 14118 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 12:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.148) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 12:26:20 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010215073011.007fcb50@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:30:11 -0500 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE JOBPROP1 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} someone else plays quite a bit of cosmic encounters??? ----> alien power: dignity you have the power to assign damage. when you lose an encounter you can lose 1 card from your hand, 5 Prestige Points, or send 3 ships to the warp. neat... this could be interesting.... how about an initial 3 score point cost to lose your dignity just to keep everyone and eis brother from doing it.... also what happens when your PP's hit zero (or below) and you can't get your dignity back? do PP's keep going negative or is there a cap? At 01:05 PM 2/15/01 +0100, you wrote: >>>> PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE JOBPROP1 "Kicking and Screaming" There is a quality associated with players called "dignity". A player either has dignity or no dignity. All players are assumed to have dignity unless they have stated on the on_discussion mailing list that they have given up their dignity. A player with no dignity can regain eis dignity by making a statement to that effect on the list, but only if eis prestige points exceeds eis score at that time. When a player with no dignity gets a negative modification to eis score, prestige points will be deducted instead at the rate of five(5) prestige points per score point deducted. This conversion only occurs if the player has a positive prestige point total equal to or exceeding five times the amount of the score penalty incurred. //J.B.
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<< verdanawww. .com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com <<<<<<<< . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- From djacobs@n... Thu Feb 15 04:38:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 15 Feb 2001 12:38:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 4517 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 12:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2001 12:38:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 12:38:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 20970 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 12:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.148) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 12:38:22 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010215074235.007f7a90@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:42:35 -0500 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [on_discussion] DRJPROP10 In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.2.32.20010214012542.007f6740@a...> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} in my demented mind there's always a reason..... in this case it's AFTER the quoted text... At 06:23 AM 2/14/01 -0500, Chuck wrote:=20 Upon posting of the proposal, it is the responsibility of each respective lobbyist to review the text of the proposal to be sure it is identical to that which they approved. Any variation from the text approved by a lobbyist and the posted proposal shall be grounds for a call for judgement under rules 213-217, and the speaker shall in a timely fashion provide to the judge in any such case, any and all support letters submitted to the speaker regarding the proposal in question.=20 =20 Arial0000,0000,ffffWhy does the proposal have to be the same? What if the proponent actually took the suggestions of the lobbyist and made changes? If the lobyist signed off on it with suggested changes then the prop would be different. Besides I think it would be fun to have lobbyists be surprisedby what actually goes up versus what they approved. The orignial intention behind this prop I think was to create a communication between players in the creation process. The lobbyists aren't "approving" the proposal as much as working with the proponent to help their chances of winning. It also could add a bit of bartering to the process. "I'm not going to sign off on this until I see a paragraph about..." If the proponent didn't like the idea for that paragraph he could just go elsewhere. The chances that the second lobbyist would like the prop could be decreased... I just think that we don't need to be so tight about it, that's all. =20 Arial0000,0000,ffffBTW if you read the rules in 231-217 carefully, the Speaker only judges the first case.... beyond that it determined by a randomly assigned judge.=20 I'm not sure that CFJ is the best way to solve "disputes" over wording on props.=20 =20 Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic The Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic=20 Well initially I put that in as sort of a CYA clause. notice it says that variations are grounds for a CFJ, it doesn't say that it invokes one. with our bunch here, most of the time we're not going to care if minor changes have been made since you sent your support, it was just in case we get more people and they start having a fit, saying 'hey... that's not what I was supporting! I never woulda supported something that did that'. it would give them a channel of action. and the reason I chose CFJ to handle it is BECAUSE the judge is randomly assigned. that way a)the speaker isn't burdened with yet another job, and b) it should keep bias to a minimum. (though if I keep that section I'll rewrite it to exclude the author and lobbyists from the judge pick....oops!) =20 . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- =20 From jorgen.blomberg@t... Thu Feb 15 05:21:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jorgen.blomberg@t... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 15 Feb 2001 13:21:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 68666 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 13:21:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2001 13:21:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.enator.se) (193.15.240.50) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 14:22:05 -0000 Received: from epost3.enator.se (gk4dmz2-epost3.enator.se [147.13.239.3]) by mail2.enator.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22245 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:20:57 +0100 Received: from svingali ([147.13.168.248]) by epost3.enator.se (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62) with SMTP id 1996 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:20:59 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE JOBPROP1 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:25:22 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0975B.215F5D90" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20010215073011.007fcb50@a...> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: jorgen.blomberg@t... ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0975B.215F5D90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0020_01C0975B.21626AD0" ------=_NextPart_001_0020_01C0975B.21626AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----Original Message----- From: djacobs@n... [mailto:djacobs@n...] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 1:30 PM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Äon_discussionĹ PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE JOBPROP1 someone else plays quite a bit of cosmic encounters??? how about an initial 3 score point cost to lose your dignity just to keep everyone and eis brother from doing it.... Heh... I have never played CE, though I considered buying it a couple of years ago. Perhaps I should have... As for the penalty for switching status: I thought about that too, but decided to leave it out for two reasons. My idea with dignity was that it should be easy to lose dignity but hard to get it back (like in real life?). The proposal doesn't make it all to hard to get your dignity back at this point, but I'm sure we can arrange that later. The second reason is that I would like to see other proposals about the "bad" effects of having no dignity. I could have included some things like "A player with no dignity will always gain the least possible number of points (11) for adopted proposals," or "A player with no dignity can't be a member of the NTF", but I thing that would just clutter up the rule and I hope you guys will come up with lots of ways to punish the undigified... //J.B. ------=_NextPart_001_0020_01C0975B.21626AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
-----Original Message-----
From: djacobs@n...= =20 [mailto:djacobs@n...]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001= 1:30=20 PM
To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
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someone else plays quite a bit of cosmic encounters???

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how about an initial 3 score point cost to lose your dignity just to k= eep=20 everyone and eis brother from doing it....


 
Heh... I have never played CE, though I considered buying it a c= ouple=20 of years ago. Perhaps I should have...
 
As=20 for the penalty for switching status: I thought about that too, but=20 decided to leave it out for two reasons.
My=20 idea with dignity was that it should be easy to lose dignity but hard to = get=20 it back (like in real life?). The
proposal doesn't make it all to hard to get your dignity back at= this=20 point, but I'm sure we can arrange that later.
 
The=20 second reason is that I would like to see other proposals about the "bad"= =20 effects of having no dignity. I could
have=20 included some things like "A player with no dignity will always gain= the=20 least possible number of  points (11)
for=20 adopted proposals," or "A player with no dignity can't b= e a=20 member of the NTF", but I thing that would just
clutter up the rule and I hope you guys will come up with lots o= f ways=20 to punish the undigified...
 
//J.B.
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X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 15 Feb 2001 13:50:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 22704 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 13:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2001 13:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.56) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 13:50:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:50:49 -0800 Received: from 128.205.120.81 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:50:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.205.120.81] To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:50:49 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2001 20:50:49.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[A564EAA0:01C095FE] From: "Aurora Elizabeth Bewicke" Hi, this is Aurora. I've been reading all the emails, and I still don't have a clue in the world what I'm supposed to do. I've gathered I should tell people my birthday- it's the same as Chuck's (so I hope you all kept track of that one) in the year 1979. And, yes, I'm even younger than Jen. So- if someone could write me and tell me how to play this game, it would be super. Thanks, Aurora _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From robin770@p... Thu Feb 15 08:22:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: robin770@p... 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For further assistance, please email egroups-support@y... or visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C09742.1EDB5420 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment From: "Fur" To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] (unknown) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:01:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey Beamer!!! I'm here to help!!!! Sending you an email as I type this one!!! -----Original Message----- From: Aurora Elizabeth Bewicke [mailto:aurora_elizabeth@h...] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:51 PM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] (unknown) Hi, this is Aurora. I've been reading all the emails, and I still don't have a clue in the world what I'm supposed to do. I've gathered I should tell people my birthday- it's the same as Chuck's (so I hope you all kept track of that one) in the year 1979. And, yes, I'm even younger than Jen. So- if someone could write me and tell me how to play this game, it would be super. Thanks, Aurora _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C09742.1EDB5420-- From windrant@n... Sat Feb 17 08:06:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 17 Feb 2001 16:06:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 75661 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2001 16:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2001 16:06:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Feb 2001 16:06:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 9315 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2001 16:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.137) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 17 Feb 2001 16:07:06 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Judgement for CFJ001 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:10:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Assigned Case ID: CFJ001 Plaintiff: Jen Judge: Chuck Verdict Due Date: February 20th, 2001. Thesis: It is my interpretation that presently we should forward our new proposals to other players in an effort to gain support. To do this we should send our proposal via email to other players and have the other players make their comments directly in the same email containing the proposal. The header of the email must be maintained as it is passed to each player to ensure to the speaker that the comments were made from lobbyists and not merely by the author. After lobbyists have approved the proposal and made any comments they will return the email to the original author who in turn will have the opportunity to read the comments and apply any suggestions to the proposal. The author in turn will forward the completed proposal to the Speaker, once again with the headers retained. Since it is not stated in Rule 332 it is interpreted that the Speaker can serve as a lobbyist. It is also interpreted that we as authors retain our right to view all comments and criticism regarding proposals. Verdict: TRUE Comments from Judge: Devon's proposal was a good one and I agreed with its' spirit (as I understood it to be) but the actual execution was poor. This Thesis gives us a guideline for how to submit proposals until amendments are made 322. While rule 303 is an effective way to avoid the entire issue; it is slow. We have things to do! Comments from Speaker: The Speaker's office will accept proposals written and submitted in the fashion suggested by CJF001. Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic The Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From aurora_elizabeth@h... Mon Feb 19 15:40:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: aurora_elizabeth@h... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 19 Feb 2001 23:40:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 3712 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2001 23:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2001 23:22:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.43) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Feb 2001 23:22:50 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:22:50 -0800 Received: from 128.205.120.81 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:22:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.205.120.81] To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE AEBPROP1 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:22:49 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2001 23:22:50.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0286970:01C09ACA] From: "Aurora Elizabeth Bewicke" PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE AEBPROP1 "People in Nomicsylvania" I propose that Nomicsylvania will have people. Each player in our Nomic game will have a certain number of people, 10, who can breed, make trouble, build things, etc. The people whom we control can cause actions upon other people's people. My person named Suziqua might go rob the house of Matt's Sharon. Perhaps Jen would have created a police officer who would then arrest Suziqua, or we could use the current system of Call for Judgement. We can then defend our people to the judge as the crazy law makers we are. We would propose a date whereby all Nomic people would need to be given occupations, names , gender, and details. Our rules could begin to be about the enforcement of nomicsylvania instead of about the laws themselves. This is just my crazy idea, however. I'm not even sure how to play the game and I'm trying to change it. So, give me some feedback. Aurora _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From windrant@n... Wed Feb 28 13:14:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Feb 2001 21:14:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 99290 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2001 21:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Feb 2001 21:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Feb 2001 21:14:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 3615 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2001 21:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.45) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 28 Feb 2001 21:15:00 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE AEBPROP1 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:18:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Sorry Aurora! I meant to reply quite some time ago but just never got to it.... Anyway, I've taken your proposition and broken it down into chuck so I might comment. First I'd like to say welcome to the game! Next, thanks for jumping in and getting invovled- love it! Here's my thoughts: >I propose that Nomicsylvania will have people. Finally! I wrote props about people but they keep failing. (There's a conspiracy going on... must be!) >Each player in our Nomic game will have a certain number of people, >10, who can breed, make trouble, build things, etc. The people whom >we control can cause actions upon other people's people. My person >named Suziqua might go rob the house of Matt's Sharon. Perhaps Jen >would have created a police officer who would then arrest Suziqua >or we could use the current system of Call for Judgement. We can >then defend our people to the judge as the crazy law makers we are. This is an interesting idea. It could very well lead to a story-telling aspect of the game. I think this section needs to be written in a little more precise language... this is a law making game after all. ;) Participation in this aspect of the game should have some impact on the main game itself tho... for instance perhaps the number of people (controlled by a player) could be determined by a player's prestige... or a player would be rewarded by documenting in writing the characters lives. Perhaps the characters themselves could vote in a "popular vote" situation. There's a lot you can do with this once the framework has been established. >Our rules could begin to be about the enforcement of nomicsylvania instead >of about the laws themselves. True... I wouldn't mind a little of this... remembering the point of the game tho. >This is just my crazy idea, however. I'm not even sure how to play the game >and I'm trying to change it. So, give me some feedback. No crazier that the rest of the shit that goes down around here! That's a good attitude to have Aurora... if you don't like something or don't understand something; fix it! Good first shot! Folks out there on the list, let's comment on this prop... I'm sure you have something to say about it! -C Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic The Former Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From windrant@n... Thu Mar 01 19:34:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 2 Mar 2001 03:34:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 66562 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2001 03:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2001 03:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Mar 2001 04:35:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 31441 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2001 03:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.36.159) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 2 Mar 2001 03:35:04 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: A thought about Aurora's proposition Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:38:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Aurora & all, I was surfing around my usual haunts on the net and came across this site... this might give a framework for the sotrytelling aspect you were looking for. http://www.angelfire.com/games2/warpspawn/SharedU.html Have a look... it a rather lengthy document but worth a read... perhaps the first shared universe could be Nomicsylvainia? Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic The Former Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From aurora_elizabeth@h... Fri Mar 02 20:23:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: aurora_elizabeth@h... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 3 Mar 2001 04:23:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 52854 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2001 04:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2001 04:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Mar 2001 05:24:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:58:34 -0800 Received: from 128.205.120.81 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 21:58:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.205.120.81] To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [on_discussion] PROPOSAL FOR DEBATE AEBPROP1 Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 21:58:34 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2001 21:58:34.0338 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2CEF420:01C0A29A] From: "Aurora Elizabeth Bewicke" Of course, just as someone comments on my prop I'm leaving for Spring break. I'll probably be offline for a little over a week- going to Scotland to visit my man. I liked Chuck's ideas a lot. I don't know if it is allowed, but Chuck- are you allowed to re-write it? If you want to /can/ are allowed to I think it would be great. I especially like number of people=number of pp, an insentive to earn points beyond "winning the game" Anyway, have a good week y'all. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From djacobs@n... Mon Mar 05 15:29:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 5 Mar 2001 23:29:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 22483 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2001 23:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2001 23:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Mar 2001 23:29:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 17020 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2001 23:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (209.2.153.191) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 5 Mar 2001 23:29:37 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010305183330.008062e0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 18:33:30 -0500 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: I AM NO PATSY, BUT HERE IT IS... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} I hereby declare a new holiday in Nomicsylvania! March 18th is the official birthday of the Grand Silly Kniggit! It shall be celebrated by the chugging of beer for at least 3 consecutive hours except for minors, and those with valid doctor's excuses. Last Call shall be celebrated by the singing of "It's The End Of The World As We Know It" by R.E.M. in the loudest, most out of tune booze hound voice you can muster. My 10PP will go to that person who can come send me the most foul, raunchy, twisted, sick, yet side-splittingly funny e-card... toodles . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- From windrant@n... Tue Mar 06 05:13:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 6 Mar 2001 13:13:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 1676 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2001 13:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2001 13:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Mar 2001 13:13:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 8511 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2001 13:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.95) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 6 Mar 2001 13:13:50 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Nomic Update! Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:17:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" March 6th, 2001. (A Snow Day here in the Adirondacks. Yippee!) Incoming Recruitment: Jen has recruited Aurora. 5 successful votes remain. Mentoring: Aurora's mentoring has ended. New Proposals: (http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/props.htm) 337. Support your local lobbyist Ver 2.2 (DJ) Outgoing: PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Devon +10 (Author 337) Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic The Former Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From windrant@n... Sat Mar 17 11:57:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 17 Mar 2001 19:57:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 54203 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 19:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2001 19:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 20:58:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 15974 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 19:57:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.83) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 19:57:38 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: The State of the Nomic (long) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:01:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" State of the Nomic Address Fellow Nomicsylvanians! Our Nomic is now a year old! (February 27th marks the first email sent on the distribution list.) I think we should congratulate ourselves on sticking to it for this long. A lot of Nomics on the net don’t survive as long as we have. This accomplishment shows the determination and loyalty of players. I commend you all! As we look to the future we should take a moment and analyze what our current weakness are and how we can turn them into strengths. From the perspective of Speaker I see a few things that perhaps isn’t as clearly visible as a player. For one, our new players are not as active as the original players. I define the new players as people that have joined the game after our first 3 months. We need to get these players into the game more fully. I realize that in order for those players to participate more there needs to be more incentive to play. Some time ago I introduced a proposal that would grant a point bonus for new players joining the game. The new players would receive a number of points to give them “on-ramp” to play. A new player would stand a fighting chance of winning. The proposal was defeated. The counter argument at the time was that current players who did not have a lot points would feel slighted if someone joined and received a point bonus that would place the new player above the current player. The sad truth, revealed months down the line, is that new players (those entering play this month) do not stand the slightest chance of winning. Faced with the probability of never winning, new players (I would imagine) are not participating as much as watching until the scores reset and then “giving it their all.” Is this the truth? Only our new players can say for sure! Please tell us! Is this the only reason new players are hesitant? No, I don’t think so. Another reason is that Nomic is tough game to join. Nothing in popular culture prepares a person for Nomic. You don’t play these types of games on the playground at school. You don’t see Parker Brothers put out a commercial version of Nomic. You don’t see this type of game played on TV sitcoms. A new player comes to this game with no preconceived notion of what Nomic and no conceptual framework on how to play. It is a tough thing to learn. Think about when you started this game… did you have the slightest idea what you were getting yourself into? I doubt it. I know that when I started Our Nomic I didn’t really understand the game or what a huge amount of time I would invest in it. In sum, we need a better way of educating new players about Nomic and Our Nomic in particular. I have introduced a proposal that created a mentoring system. This system has worked only with limited success. Every time a new player joins I ask for volunteers and I almost never have a response. I end up forcing someone to teach someone else Nomic. That situation never works. Never. Devon was rewarded for creating a document that aids new players in understanding the game. We need more of that type of initiative! Maybe the mentoring system isn’t the answer to helping new players join. Maybe you have a better solution? Please share you idea with us! One of our strengths, as I see it, is the close family feeling. This feeling came from the fact that the original players were all friends of mine. We started as a group of people that may not of known each other but at least knew me. And I brought the group together. Now that we are truly an open Nomic, accepting players from all over the world, we run the risk of turning into a group of strangers. I don’t mean that we won’t know everybody on the list… that is bound to happen anyway. I mean more the fact that the old timers will purposely not interact with the new players. Old timers should make every effort to take the new players in as friends. I don’t think that this game is anywhere near as exciting when people don’t pick light-hearted fun at each other. Light-hearted fun becomes flame wars and serious violence inducing threats when people can’t relate as friends. I would like to see more proposals that help us get to know each other and help to get talking to each other. I know that you must have ideas about that! Write up some proposals or a proposition! Let us know how you think this Nomic should be! As spring approaches in the Northern Hemisphere and in the Adirondacks, our participation levels will again begin to drop. I want to enter our Summer Recess confident that we again join our words and thoughts into this game and into our share universe with the falling leaves. This game isn’t My Nomic, I hoped and dreamed that would be more than that. I wished that it would become Our Nomic. Write those proposals. Write those email notes stating your ideas about what we are and what we should be. Vote. Do these things and you become more than yourself; you become one of us. Thank you for a great year and I hope it will be many more that I have the honor of your friendship and companionship. Humbly, Chuck Henry The First Speaker of Our Nomic From joejava@d... Sat Mar 17 16:32:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: joejava@d... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 00:32:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 55547 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 00:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 00:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.bna.bellsouth.net) (205.152.150.13) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 01:33:24 -0000 Received: from ceo (host-209-214-162-136.rdu.bellsouth.net [209.214.162.136]) by mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id TAA11615 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:32:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00ad01c0af41$d1a28d00$88a2d6d1@ceo> To: References: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] The State of the Nomic (long) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:24:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "JRicker" ----- Original Message ----- : Is this the only reason new players are hesitant? No, I don’t think so. : Another reason is that Nomic is tough game to join. Nothing in popular : culture prepares a person for Nomic. You don’t play these types of games on : the playground at school. You don’t see Parker Brothers put out a : commercial version of Nomic. You don’t see this type of game played on TV : sitcoms. A new player comes to this game with no preconceived notion of : what Nomic and no conceptual framework on how to play. It is a tough thing : to learn. Think about when you started this game… did you have the : slightest idea what you were getting yourself into? I doubt it. I know : that when I started Our Nomic I didn’t really understand the game or what a : huge amount of time I would invest in it. [Snipped alot of comentary] Being one of those new players -- at least I assume so, this is the first e-mail I've received from the list other than talking a little with Windrant -- just wanted to add my two cents. One of the first nomic games I got involved with is Ackanomic. For those who missed Acka (some on its demise in a moment) it was a very long running game with a massive ruleset. Nomics can be challenging especially for someone who has never played before. The paradox is, the Nomics that are the best to learn from, as an example of what a nomic can become, are also the long running games that are the most difficult to get into. The beginning nomics with small rulesets offer alot of oppurtunity for a new player but for someone who may not understand the scope of these rules, doing alot of grunt work to shape the ruleset into something may not be very appealing. The one thing I enjoyed about Acka, even though I never had a great deal of time to dig into the ruleset are the small things that kept me interested. A player didn't have to submit proposals to get ahead in the game. There were many other ways to go about obtaining win conditions. Some of these were sub-games that got you points. Ok I'm going to digress in a small anecdote. When about a week into joining Ackanomic, about the only thing I understood how to do was to convert money into objects. Each player had a cash total (Ackans) and started with $100. You convert by public action an amount of cash into an object with a description. The object didn't do anything necessarily but could be given or traded or turned back into cash when needed. Very symbolic. There were also groups and organizations and one of these groups was called the Klingons. After watching the message threads between this group for a little while, I made my first action whereby I created an object for $50 into the Sword of Kahless with a nice little description. For those who aren't familiar with Star Trek, the Sword of Kahless is the equivalent of the christian true cross. So of course the members of group Klingon had to have it! :) Since I wouldn't give it up, I was challenged to a duel. Someone volunteered to be my second. A very fluent person, his challenge acceptance speech was hysterical. All I remember is the last line he said to the Klingons: "Your mother was a tribble and your father smelt of Romulans." So the duel took place. According to duel rules, I picked the weapons which was what subgame we should play. The winner would win the duel. I picked the game Virus. We played a few rounds and I won out in the end. Anyhow the point of all this is that Acka dragged me in whether I wanted to play or not :) I probably made three proposals the whole time I played but the amount of social interaction that the game had plus the sub-games that were easy to get into, I stuck around and had a great time. You should enjoy the time you spend with a nomic and if you are lucky forging friendships that last long after the final proposal is submitted. Unfortunately, all good things must come to an end. Acka split into two sides: Those who thought the rules were to large and those who thought they were fine. The game was split into two groups: Fat Acka and Thin Acka. But in the end alot of feelings were hurt and both sides lost good players and after it was all over both games disappeared. Well thats about all I have to say for now. Have to go approve some proposals for my own game [BLATANT PLUG: Nomopoly III: http://www.justthefaqs.org/nomopoly/]. I hope with my joining I might be able to help you in your pursuits. Thanks Joel From sgamer@s... Sat Mar 17 18:11:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 02:11:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 15310 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 02:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 02:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 02:11:09 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GAD00LN7F81GJ@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:07:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:09:13 -0600 Subject: PROPOSITION ANPROP1 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <001a01c0af50$6df21500$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: <00ad01c0af41$d1a28d00$88a2d6d1@ceo> X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer Speaking of new players, I joined yesterday. Make a note in the official ledgers! ;-) And with it, my first proposal. Under the rules SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST, and 303 (Debate Rule), I'm opening for debate, this proposal: Pop Goes Your Points I propose that the final paragraph of Rule 326: The Holy Hand Grenade Of Antioch be deleted and the following text appended: "At such time that the last HHGA (Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch) detonates, (2) more players are randomly chosen to recieve a Grenade with the fuse setting being determined from the equation '3+d6', which is RPG notation for 'three plus the roll of a six-sided die.' Note that the parenthesies have no special meaning around the number. They are used to make it easier to note what happens in the next statement. Finally, the most recent number in parenthesies is incremented by one; if this number is already five, the text from the word FINALLYon to the end is deleted." [This results in more and more Grenades being tossed into play. The rule looked like fun, so I had to do SOMETHING to it!] [Please excuse the fact that I have probably broken Spivac several times. Someone fix it... please] --Adam Norberg From windrant@n... Sun Mar 18 06:46:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 18 Mar 2001 14:46:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 85753 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 14:46:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2001 14:46:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 15:47:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 4726 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 14:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.92) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 18 Mar 2001 14:46:42 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE! Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:50:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" 3/18/2k1 Incoming Recruitment: Player Jen has recruited Aurora. 5 successful votes remain. New Player Registration: Added Adam Norberg. Speaker's Office now accepting volunteers for mentoring. (Adam is new to Nomic needs some help getting into the game!) Added Joel Ricker. Speaker's Office now accepting volunteers for mentoring. (Joel is an experienced player but would like a guide to our traditions) Outgoing: Voting Results: Passed: 337. (DJ) (33% participation, Quorum +1!) In Favor: DJ, JH. Opposed: JB. Absent: JoH, KM, LH, MK, SM, SC, SO. Excused: AB. Point Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Devon +12 (Author of 337.) Jorgen +10 (Dissent for 337) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Chuck +6 (3 people voted!) Devon +5 (Voted 3/14/2001) Jen +5 (Voted 3/14/2001) Jorgen +5 (Voted 3/14/2001) Notices: First State of the Nomic Address released! Please respond with any comments you might have about the current state of the Nomic. Please give a warm welcome to the new players! We are growing by leaps and bounds and we should welcome the players that will make us strong in the future! Welcome aboard! From fur@w... Mon Mar 19 06:29:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fur@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 14:29:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 70348 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 14:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 14:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 14:29:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 18074 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 14:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.26) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 14:30:13 -0000 To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Browbeating Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:33:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Fur" Hi Everyone...... A welcome to our new players.....and to our other players a browbeating....... In Nomicsylvania everyone's birthday is celebrated as a national holiday. Players can earn prestige points for acknowledging an individuals birthday. The person whose special day it is then chooses which greeting they liked the best to award prestige points to that player. Our Grand Silly Kniggit celebrated his birthday yesterday. I don't know what the outcome of wishes from Nomic players was, but I do know that Lonnie celebrated his on the 4th of March and received no greetings at all :( I say we all receive a browbeating for missing Lonnie's birthday and should take a moment out of our day to send belated greetings. -Jen From sgamer@s... Mon Mar 19 06:55:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 14:55:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 46831 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 14:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 14:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 14:55:21 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GAG0030994GNQ@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:48:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:50:21 -0600 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Browbeating To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <001a01c0b083$ec53e7a0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer I didn't know it was his birthday, sorry. Mine is June 8, I forgot to tell everyone... I'll be fifteen this year. Oh- our Grand Silly Kniggit? (Rap this greeting) HEY who's birthday is this yo' I really think ya gettin old, bro but hey, hey it's cool today all I wanna do is say you lived another spin 'round the sun your age just went up by one have a good day it's yours for you 'cause you're getting smarter, through and through as you age you get a different perspective have no rage I'm just bringing perspective when you get REALLY old your bod can get defective and you have to call a doctor who's an "arthritis detective" HEY- I dunno how old you are but for one day, you are the star Happy Birthday, Lonnie! --Adam Norberg (P.S. This greeting is much funnier if you really do imagine it as a rap- or, for those with a drum set, perform it as such.) From sgamer@s... Mon Mar 19 07:59:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 15:59:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 6654 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 15:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 15:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.28) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 15:59:23 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GAG006CXBSTTL@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:46:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:45:59 -0600 Subject: Propositions To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <000901c0b08b$b21f1ca0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer Is anyone going to browbeat me for my inempt attempt at writing a proposal? Nobody's even commented on my adjustment to the Grenade rule! I have a very cruel idea that I'll consider putting out when someone listens to my other one. It has the capacity to make the game utterly ridiculous... Buhahahahaha! --Adam Norberg From aurora_elizabeth@h... Mon Mar 19 13:48:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: aurora_elizabeth@h... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 21:48:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 51327 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 21:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 21:48:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.224) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 22:49:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:48:19 -0800 Received: from 128.205.120.81 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:48:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.205.120.81] To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: new player Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:48:19 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2001 21:48:19.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FE95360:01C0B0BE] From: "Aurora Elizabeth Bewicke" Hi everyone:) I'm one of those new players that still feels very lost, in the game and in general. I guess I took on the game so that I would hear from Jen and Chuck more often. It has worked a little bit to my advantage in that sense:) I don't think winning is really a goal for me, I just like interaction with people in general. I think Jen remembers a thing called DCS, jon's discussion group. It went on for years before disbanding. It was really just an email list of people to whom topics would be presented and debated on, like abortion, god, religion, antimatter, whatever. I made loads of super friends as a result. I guess, for some reason, I thought that this game would be similar- but I sooned learned it had nothing to do with that. Which is great.... but I was wondering if anyone was interested in a general discussion group maybe outside, or in addition to Our Nomic, maybe some crafty person could work it into the game. I don't know. Anyway, I'm I the only one up for philosophical e-debate? We also used to send poems to see what we all thought of them. I'll only be here till May anyway, but it'd be nice to get into some nice fun and some e-friends for the rest of this semster. Beyond that, I guess I missed a vote that I didn't even understrand was happening...with 18 credits plus work and a bad personal life I think I've missed the boat.... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From djacobs@n... Tue Mar 20 04:09:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 12:09:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 6432 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 12:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 12:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 12:09:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 4332 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 12:09:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.164) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 12:09:34 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010320070610.00804b60@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:06:10 -0500 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Propositions In-Reply-To: <000901c0b08b$b21f1ca0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Adam, no browbeating for you..... much like the only stupid question is the one you don't ask, the only inept porp ia the one you don't write..... At 09:45 AM 3/19/01 -0600, you wrote: >>>> Is anyone going to browbeat me for my inempt attempt at writing a proposal? Nobody's even commented on my adjustment to the Grenade rule! I have a very cruel idea that I'll consider putting out when someone listens to my other one. It has the capacity to make the game utterly ridiculous... Buhahahahaha! --Adam Norberg . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- From djacobs@n... Tue Mar 20 04:09:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 12:09:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 94591 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 12:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 12:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 12:09:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 4350 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 12:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.164) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 12:09:36 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010320071233.007ef100@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:12:33 -0500 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: AWARDS.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} I, the Grand Silly Kniggit, hereby award my 10PP to Jen Henry for silliness above and beyond the call of duty... talk about twisted.... "The laughing, spotted elephant that lives in my butter dish and always swears at me, wanted me to tell you, Happy Birthday! Now that you're a year older. You think you're better than me don't you! Of course its from me! Who else? " Thanks Jen, and the outside of the card was even better! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- From windrant@n... Sun Mar 25 05:52:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 13:52:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 86477 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 13:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 13:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 14:53:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 8907 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 13:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.81) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 13:52:21 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Clarification! Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:55:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" I think a few people are confused by what the final outcome of 337 was... I've created a FAQ that I hope will help explain the proposal process. It's here: www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/faq2.htm And the section referring to proposals: http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/faq2.htm#propose Please give me some feedback on this! -c Chuck Henry Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From fur@w... Mon Mar 26 12:11:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fur@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 26 Mar 2001 20:11:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 64899 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2001 20:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2001 20:11:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Mar 2001 21:12:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 32499 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2001 20:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.98) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 26 Mar 2001 20:12:14 -0000 To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: My birthday Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:15:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Fur" Okay......I said I wasn't going to do this......but I realize that there are new people playing the game who have no clue who I am much less when I have a birthday......so in keeping with fairness and variety I announce to everyone that this coming Sunday, April Fool's Day (insert sarcastic comment referencing a fool here) is my birthday. And since in Nomicsylvania all birthdays are national holidays let mine be declared so...... There will be 10 prestige points awarded to whomever can bring the biggest birthday smile to my face :) Be creative!!!! I look forward to being showered with fun!!!!! -Jen From windrant@n... Thu Mar 29 19:06:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 30 Mar 2001 03:06:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 3768 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 03:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2001 03:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 03:06:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 15466 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 03:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.26) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 03:07:08 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE! Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:10:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "Windrant" March 29th, 2001 Incoming Recruitment: Player Jen has recruited Aurora. 5 successful votes remain. Mentoring: Adam Norberg needs a mentor! No one has volunteered! Shame on you! Joel Ricker needs a mentor! No one has volunteered! Shame on you! New Proposals: (http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/props.htm) 338. SUCKS TO BE YOU! ver. 2.1 (Author DJ, Support CH, JH.) Outgoing: PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Devon +10 (Author 338) Jen +10 (Awarded by Devon under 334.) Notices: Devon has challenged everyone to vote. I would like to see exactly how high a voter turn out we can get this time. The last voter participation was 33%! Yuck! For the new folks, to vote all you have to do is read the prop and then drop me an email note state how you want to vote... easy! From djacobs@n... Thu Apr 05 04:05:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 11:05:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 44962 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 11:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 11:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 11:05:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 18565 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 11:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.140) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 11:05:58 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010405070944.007ea850@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 07:09:44 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: PROP 338 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Hi folks, just a friendly reminder.... TODAY IS THE LAST DAY TO VOTE ON PROP 338!!! -vote early -vote often . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- From windrant@n... Sat Apr 07 09:20:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 7 Apr 2001 16:20:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 26781 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2001 16:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2001 16:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Apr 2001 17:21:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 3313 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2001 16:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.134) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 7 Apr 2001 16:21:04 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC UPDATE!!! IMPORTANT Please read! Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" April 7th, 2001. Incoming Recruitment: Player Jen has recruited Aurora. 5 successful votes remain. Mentoring: Adam Norberg needs a mentor! No one has volunteered! Shame on you! Joel Ricker needs a mentor! No one has volunteered! Shame on you! Outgoing: Voting Results: Passed: 338. (DJ) In Favor: AN, DJ, JH, JoH. Opposed: None. Absent: JB, LH, MK, SM, SC, SO. Excused: AB,JB, KM. Point Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Devon +16 (Author of 338.) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Adam +5 (Voted 4/5/01) Chuck +8 (4 players voted) Devon +5 (Voted 4/5/01) Jen +5 (Voted 4/5/01) John +5 (Voted 4/5/01) Outcomes: Devon Jacobs has 105 points. He is the winner! Devon becomes the Second Speaker of Our Nomic. From windrant@n... Sat Apr 07 09:55:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 7 Apr 2001 16:55:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 1505 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2001 16:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Apr 2001 16:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Apr 2001 16:55:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 20018 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2001 16:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.134) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 7 Apr 2001 16:55:32 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: A Motion for Recess and Last Address Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:52:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Friends, The end of the game has come. 405 days ago we began a little experiment. We started play a silly little game I found on the Internet. I was bored and tired of the long winter here in the Adirondacks and I decided I needed an excuse to pull my friends together in cyberspace and get some communication going. The hope was to brighten my day with email notes from friends! We have come a long way from those beginnings. I've made lots of new friends and stayed in closer touch with my old friends. To give you an idea of how much progress we have made here's the game statistics: # of Players: 14 (We started with 6!) # of Proposals posted: 38 (That's roughly 1 prop every 10 days!) # of Motions: 1 Average Player Score: 29.4 Average Player Prestige: 52.9 Average Player participation in voting: 71% Not too bad for a bunch of Nomic newbies! I'm proud to pass the leadership of Our Nomic to Devon Jacobs. He'll do a fine job. Devon has been a loyal player since the beginning and has earned the title Second Speaker! Good job! However, this change of leadership brings some new challenges... uh, how do we pass the power on? So to give us time to adjust: ******************* Under rule 319 "School's Out...Forever!" in the current ruleset, I move for a recess. The recess shall commence upon 2/3 majority positive vote and last until April 30th, 2001. This motion needs two supportive motions to passed. These must be posted to open forums by 12:46PM Sunday, April 8th, 2001 in order to support this motion. ******************* I strongly suggest that you take this time to decide if you want to continue to play... there is no dishonor in bailing out now. We have 2 new players waiting to join until the game starts again. And we have been aquiring new players every couple of weeks. If you decide to leave, you needn't worry about Our Nomic dying--- we shall live on! I officially step down as Speaker of Our Nomic. I will retain, however, the post of Historian. The ruleset hereby names Devon Jacobs as Speaker. Let the crowds shout, "THE FIRST SPEAKER IS GONE, LONG LIVE THE SECOND SPEAKER!" -C Chuck Henry Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From djacobs@n... Sat Apr 07 11:32:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 7 Apr 2001 18:32:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 89106 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2001 18:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2001 18:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Apr 2001 19:33:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 4126 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2001 18:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (209.2.153.162) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 7 Apr 2001 18:33:03 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010407143658.00804100@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 14:36:58 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] A Motion for Recess and Last Address In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} I hereby third the motion for recess..... (besides I've got a little catching up to do with the rules lawyering part of all this ;) . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From jands1@f... Sat Apr 07 11:47:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jands1@f... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 7 Apr 2001 18:47:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 27205 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2001 18:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2001 18:46:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Apr 2001 18:46:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.2.91] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2001 18:46:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 18:46:53 -0000 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A Motion for Recess and Last Address Message-ID: <9annat+ghvf@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2608 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.130.144.96 From: jands1@f... Fellow Nomicsylvanians, I support the outgoing speaker's motion for a brief recess! Long live our new speaker and many thanks to the first! Scott Morgan The Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch --- In on_discussion@y..., "Windrant" wrote: > Friends, > > The end of the game has come. 405 days ago we began a little experiment. > We started play a silly little game I found on the Internet. I was bored > and tired of the long winter here in the Adirondacks and I decided I needed > an excuse to pull my friends together in cyberspace and get some > communication going. The hope was to brighten my day with email notes from > friends! > > We have come a long way from those beginnings. I've made lots of new > friends and stayed in closer touch with my old friends. > > To give you an idea of how much progress we have made here's the game > statistics: > > # of Players: 14 (We started with 6!) > # of Proposals posted: 38 (That's roughly 1 prop every 10 days!) > # of Motions: 1 > > Average Player Score: 29.4 > Average Player Prestige: 52.9 > Average Player participation in voting: 71% > > Not too bad for a bunch of Nomic newbies! > > I'm proud to pass the leadership of Our Nomic to Devon Jacobs. He'll do a > fine job. Devon has been a loyal player since the beginning and has earned > the title Second Speaker! Good job! > > However, this change of leadership brings some new challenges... uh, how do > we pass the power on? So to give us time to adjust: > ******************* > Under rule 319 "School's Out...Forever!" in the current ruleset, I move for > a recess. The recess shall commence upon 2/3 majority positive vote and > last until April 30th, 2001. > > This motion needs two supportive motions to passed. These must be posted to > open forums by 12:46PM Sunday, April 8th, 2001 in order to support this > motion. > ******************* > > I strongly suggest that you take this time to decide if you want to continue > to play... there is no dishonor in bailing out now. We have 2 new players > waiting to join until the game starts again. And we have been aquiring new > players every couple of weeks. If you decide to leave, you needn't worry > about Our Nomic dying--- we shall live on! > > I officially step down as Speaker of Our Nomic. I will retain, however, the > post of Historian. The ruleset hereby names Devon Jacobs as Speaker. > > Let the crowds shout, "THE FIRST SPEAKER IS GONE, LONG LIVE THE SECOND > SPEAKER!" > > -C > > Chuck Henry > Historian of Our Nomic > www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From sgamer@s... Sat Apr 07 13:43:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 7 Apr 2001 20:43:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 27395 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2001 20:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2001 20:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Apr 2001 21:44:17 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GBF00CD7W43XB@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:40:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 15:43:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] A Motion for Recess and Last Address To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <001701c0bfa3$6c359800$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer I dunno... seems like a long time. I'd vote for it if it was for the 21st, but a month is a little too long. BTW... I'm trying to recruit people to second my motion for a new, MAJOR proposition. If anyone cares, let me know and I'll give you a copy; it's going to make the game more organized, much faster, and have more of a unified purpose to it- not just new rules. It's going to turn this place into a minigame mania... Let me know! --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Windrant" To: "Nomic Discussion" Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: [on_discussion] A Motion for Recess and Last Address > Friends, > > The end of the game has come. 405 days ago we began a little experiment. > We started play a silly little game I found on the Internet. I was bored > and tired of the long winter here in the Adirondacks and I decided I needed > an excuse to pull my friends together in cyberspace and get some > communication going. The hope was to brighten my day with email notes from > friends! > > We have come a long way from those beginnings. I've made lots of new > friends and stayed in closer touch with my old friends. > > To give you an idea of how much progress we have made here's the game > statistics: > > # of Players: 14 (We started with 6!) > # of Proposals posted: 38 (That's roughly 1 prop every 10 days!) > # of Motions: 1 > > Average Player Score: 29.4 > Average Player Prestige: 52.9 > Average Player participation in voting: 71% > > Not too bad for a bunch of Nomic newbies! > > I'm proud to pass the leadership of Our Nomic to Devon Jacobs. He'll do a > fine job. Devon has been a loyal player since the beginning and has earned > the title Second Speaker! Good job! > > However, this change of leadership brings some new challenges... uh, how do > we pass the power on? So to give us time to adjust: > ******************* > Under rule 319 "School's Out...Forever!" in the current ruleset, I move for > a recess. The recess shall commence upon 2/3 majority positive vote and > last until April 30th, 2001. > > This motion needs two supportive motions to passed. These must be posted to > open forums by 12:46PM Sunday, April 8th, 2001 in order to support this > motion. > ******************* > > I strongly suggest that you take this time to decide if you want to continue > to play... there is no dishonor in bailing out now. We have 2 new players > waiting to join until the game starts again. And we have been aquiring new > players every couple of weeks. If you decide to leave, you needn't worry > about Our Nomic dying--- we shall live on! > > I officially step down as Speaker of Our Nomic. I will retain, however, the > post of Historian. The ruleset hereby names Devon Jacobs as Speaker. > > Let the crowds shout, "THE FIRST SPEAKER IS GONE, LONG LIVE THE SECOND > SPEAKER!" > > -C > > Chuck Henry > Historian of Our Nomic > www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From windrant@n... Sun Apr 08 05:02:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 8 Apr 2001 12:02:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 98366 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2001 12:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2001 12:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Apr 2001 13:03:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 10440 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2001 12:02:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.36.184) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 8 Apr 2001 12:02:58 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: NOMIC Motion 2 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 08:00:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "Windrant" The motion has the 2 supporters needed. Now 2/3 of the voters must respond positively or negatively to the discussion list within 1 week. So if you haven't already stated your vote to the dicussion list please do so! Can I consider those notes of support for the motion a vote for recess? You have until April 15th to respond to the discussion list. Thanks! Chuck Henry Transitional Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From sgamer@s... Sun Apr 08 07:24:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 8 Apr 2001 14:24:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 25085 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2001 14:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Apr 2001 14:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Apr 2001 15:25:15 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GBH00MEA98FLT@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 09:21:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:24:39 -0500 Subject: AN Votes NO to recess To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <000b01c0c037$a59df260$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer Sorry, my vote's NO. I don't want THAT long of a recess... somethings fine, but I just got here and now you want to lay off for a month? Two weeks, maybe, but a month gets a "nay" from me. --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Windrant" To: "Nomic Discussion" Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 7:00 AM Subject: [on_discussion] NOMIC Motion 2 > The motion has the 2 supporters needed. > > Now 2/3 of the voters must respond positively or negatively to the > discussion list within 1 week. So if you haven't already stated your vote > to the dicussion list please do so! Can I consider those notes of support > for the motion a vote for recess? > > You have until April 15th to respond to the discussion list. > > Thanks! > > Chuck Henry > Transitional Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic > www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From jands1@f... Sun Apr 08 12:54:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jands1@f... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 8 Apr 2001 19:54:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 60555 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2001 19:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2001 19:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Apr 2001 19:54:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.2.30] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2001 19:54:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:54:36 -0000 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NOMIC Motion 2 Message-ID: <9aqfls+nmov@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 831 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.130.220.89 From: jands1@f... Hi All, Yep, you can count my support of the motion as a YES vote for the recess. And Adam, while I do salute your enthusiasm, the recess wouldn't begin until the 15th and ends on the 30th. That is two weeks! ;) Scott Morgan The Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade Of Antioch --- In on_discussion@y..., "Windrant" wrote: > The motion has the 2 supporters needed. > > Now 2/3 of the voters must respond positively or negatively to the > discussion list within 1 week. So if you haven't already stated your vote > to the dicussion list please do so! Can I consider those notes of support > for the motion a vote for recess? > > You have until April 15th to respond to the discussion list. > > Thanks! > > Chuck Henry > Transitional Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic > www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From sgamer@s... Sun Apr 08 15:25:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 8 Apr 2001 22:25:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 52563 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2001 22:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2001 22:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Apr 2001 22:25:36 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GBH00JFNVHEDL@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 17:22:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:25:14 -0500 Subject: Browbeating To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <002001c0c07a$c89624c0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: <9aqfls+nmov@eGroups.com> X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer ADAM NORBERG browbeats HIMSELF for being a total idiot. REVISED VOTE- ATTEMPT TWO: Adam votes YEA for the recess. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: [on_discussion] Re: NOMIC Motion 2 > Hi All, > Yep, you can count my support of the motion as a YES vote for the > recess. And Adam, while I do salute your enthusiasm, the recess > wouldn't begin until the 15th and ends on the 30th. That is two > weeks! ;) > > Scott Morgan > The Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade Of Antioch > > > > --- In on_discussion@y..., "Windrant" wrote: > > The motion has the 2 supporters needed. > > > > Now 2/3 of the voters must respond positively or negatively to the > > discussion list within 1 week. So if you haven't already stated > your vote > > to the dicussion list please do so! Can I consider those notes of > support > > for the motion a vote for recess? > > > > You have until April 15th to respond to the discussion list. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Chuck Henry > > Transitional Speaker and Historian of Our Nomic > > www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From mattkeppel@y... Thu Apr 12 14:50:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mattkeppel@y... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 12 Apr 2001 21:50:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 20461 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2001 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2001 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.24) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Apr 2001 22:51:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20010412215039.96721.qmail@w...> Received: from [64.30.151.82] by web12104.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:50:39 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Return of the lesser silly kniggit To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002001c0c07a$c89624c0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Matthew Keppel My fellow Nomicsylvanians: Wow, I'm out of it for awhile and look what happens! My apoligies for disappearing, but I started a new job as a computer teacher and I've been simultaneously trying to figure out what the former teacher did the past 6 1/2 months and what I'm supposed to do for the remaining 3. Thank God for Easter break! OK, let's see if I can catch up... 1)Congratulations to our new speaker, Devon Jacobs! Well played old chap! As for our our outgoing speaker, Mr. Chuck Henry - this game would not have lasted a year if not for you. May your likeness be carved into one of Nomicsylvania's pristine mountainsides! 2)Hi Aurora! Welcome to the game. I've been meaning to write you - honest! 3)I support the recess, with one condition. Before I started a new job, I was named head of the Naming Task Force, as per rule #328. With a new round and speaker beginning, I believe it's important for me and my task force (Scott and Jen) to complete our assignment before the end of the recess and the new round begins. If it's all right with everyone, I should like to remian active during the recess for this purpose. All that is required from those outside of the Task Force are suggestions on a new name. Your humble Nomic servant, Matt Keppel Lesser Silly Kniggit, Leader of the Naming Task Force, and all around nice guy. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From windrant@n... Mon Apr 16 17:23:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 17 Apr 2001 00:23:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 77795 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2001 00:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2001 00:23:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 00:23:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 31483 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2001 00:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.59) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 00:23:23 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Let the Recess begin! Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:20:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Folks, We are now in recess. We will resume April 30th, 2001. If you do not wish play in Game 2 please contact Devon as soon as you can. Devon and I are in the process of passing leadership and smoothing out communication between the Office of the Speaker and the Office of the Historian. Enjoy the break... we deserve it. Chuck Henry Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From djacobs@n... Tue Apr 17 03:56:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 17 Apr 2001 10:56:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 47959 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2001 10:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2001 10:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 10:56:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 31027 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2001 10:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.158) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 10:56:37 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010417070201.007f5100@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:02:01 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: official babble from the speaker's office Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} I gladly accept the position of Speaker of Our Nomic. There are many challenges ahead, and I will do my best to see us through them. The office of Speaker is a difficult position to maintain. Everything that Our Nomic is, everything it does is affected in some way by the speaker... all the behind-the-scenes stuff that keeps the game running is handled by the Speaker, from making great high up muck-a-muck announcements of our own grandeaur, to the droll, tedious job of figuring out all those cool stats you see at the bottom of the player list. I would like to give Chuck Henry my personal praise and salute him for a job well done as speaker of the First Game!... . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From aurora_elizabeth@h... Tue Apr 17 13:53:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: aurora_elizabeth@h... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 17 Apr 2001 20:53:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 71374 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2001 20:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2001 20:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.177) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 20:52:48 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:52:48 -0700 Received: from 128.205.120.81 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:52:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.205.120.81] To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Let the Recess begin! Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:52:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2001 20:52:48.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C111AA0:01C0C780] From: "Aurora Elizabeth Bewicke" I will not have adequate email access for game two. I know I wasn't a big player in Game 1, but it was good to hear from everyone once in a while. Good luck with your next adventure! Aurora _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From windrant@n... Tue Apr 24 18:45:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 25 Apr 2001 01:45:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 46709 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2001 01:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Apr 2001 01:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Apr 2001 01:45:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 15338 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2001 01:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.75) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 25 Apr 2001 01:45:28 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: The webpages Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:42:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" Hi everybody... I'm in the process of remodeling the Our Nomic webpages a bit. If you find anything that doesn't work or acts "funky" let me know. The pages are almost reset and ready for Game 2. For the record, the scores and some of the library items are being modified. The ruleset will remain exactly the same as we left it in Game 1. Thanks! We'll start again on Monday April 30th. Till then! -C Chuck Henry Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From djacobs@n... Fri Apr 27 12:49:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 27 Apr 2001 19:49:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 98713 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2001 19:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2001 19:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Apr 2001 19:49:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 3028 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2001 19:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.163) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 27 Apr 2001 19:49:43 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010427155349.007fb430@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:53:49 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: GAME RESTART Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Hello folks!!! DON'T FORGET.... THE NEW GAME BEGINS ON MONDAY!!!! START THINKING ABOUT THOSE NEW PROPS.... . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From john@w... Sun Apr 29 08:36:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: john@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 29 Apr 2001 15:36:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 66189 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2001 15:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Apr 2001 15:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Apr 2001 15:32:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 12247 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2001 15:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gateway) (216.238.36.82) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 29 Apr 2001 15:33:07 -0000 To: Reply-To: john@w... X-Mailer: email 97 by e corp. (download from www.e-corp.com) X-E97Account: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 11:30:16 Subject: Webpages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Henry I like the web pages but I can't see the words on the rule set page. I was wondering if my computer is screwed up (more than likely) or if its whats really going on. John Henry "Move over Kenedys! theres 4 Henry's in this democracy" -Chuck Henry John Henry -> "Money is just the way we keep score." <- From djacobs@n... Sun Apr 29 20:30:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 03:30:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 56600 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 03:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 03:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 03:30:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 21977 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 03:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.174) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 03:31:17 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010429233051.00807c10@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:30:51 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Webpages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} that's because Chuck used HTML layers, only supported by IE5 and above or netscape 4.5???? I forget the exact version of netscape, but you'll have to yell at him, I have no control over the web pages.... At 11:30 AM 4/29/01, you wrote: >>>> I like the web pages but I can't see the words on the rule set page. I was wondering if my computer is screwed up (more than likely) or if its whats really going on. John Henry "Move over Kenedys! theres 4 Henry's in this democracy" -Chuck Henry John Henry -> "Money is just the way we keep score." <<-
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X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 03:30:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 32847 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 03:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 03:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 03:30:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 22000 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 03:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.174) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 03:31:19 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010429233457.007ed630@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:34:57 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: LET THE GAMES BEGIN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} I hereby declare the nomic back in session send me your poor your tired your huddled masses of props!!! please stay tuned for my opening adress, coming soon..... (cuz, hey.... it's way past my bedtime and the game actually doesn't start for another half hour yet, but who's counting....) . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From joejava@d... Sun Apr 29 20:50:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: joejava@d... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 03:50:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 93094 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 03:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 03:50:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail0.bna.bellsouth.net) (205.152.150.12) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 03:50:30 -0000 Received: from ceo (host-209-214-160-228.rdu.bellsouth.net [209.214.160.228]) by mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id XAA10409 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009301c0d127$741d9780$e4a0d6d1@ceo> To: References: <3.0.2.32.20010429233457.007ed630@a...> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] LET THE GAMES BEGIN Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:41:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "JRicker" First of all is Chuck still a player? He is one of my supporters for a proposal I have and hoping I only need to get one more. So how many of us is going to be active this time around? Joel From windrant@n... Mon Apr 30 03:09:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 10:09:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 20755 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 10:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 10:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 10:09:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 889 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 10:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.179) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 10:10:17 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] LET THE GAMES BEGIN Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:07:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009301c0d127$741d9780$e4a0d6d1@ceo> From: "Windrant" Joel, I'm still in! And you still have my support. The webpages have an up to date list of the players as far as I know. Aurora left us and besides her I'm not sure anyone else has left. Scott Morgan is getting married in 27 days... so you can understand he's if going to a little terse or nonexistent in his responses to nomic going ons for a while! The Speaker might want to offer "excused" status to Scott. Anyway, that's what we have going on... hopefully more people will be more active this time around because everybody's starting on the ground floor pointwise! I got props to write... and I can vote this time!!!! Whoo-hoo! -C Chuck Henry Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic -----Original Message----- From: JRicker [mailto:joejava@d...] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:42 PM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] LET THE GAMES BEGIN First of all is Chuck still a player? He is one of my supporters for a proposal I have and hoping I only need to get one more. So how many of us is going to be active this time around? Joel To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From windrant@n... Mon Apr 30 03:22:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 10:22:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 67523 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 10:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 10:22:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 10:22:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 6407 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 10:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.179) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 10:23:02 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] Webpages Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:20:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0D13D.9C2ED8E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20010429233051.00807c10@a...> From: "Windrant" ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0D13D.9C2ED8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Version 4.0 of browsers or above... I figured that was a safe bet considering most people (statistically speaking) have browsers for 4.0 and above. And besides if you like the Java stuff you MUST have 4.0 and above in each of those browsers to take advantage of it. John has an older machine (read: ancient machine) so we just installed a really old browser just to conserve disk space. So until we put a larger machine in John's room... you're out of luck John. If anybody else out there is having the same problem... I'll go back to tables instead of layers for the ruleset... just let me know. The goal of the pages is easy information dissemination not technical beauty...[sniff sniff] ;) -C Chuck Henry Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:31 PM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Webpages that's because Chuck used HTML layers, only supported by IE5 and above or netscape 4.5???? I forget the exact version of netscape, but you'll have to yell at him, I have no control over the web pages.... At 11:30 AM 4/29/01, you wrote: >>>> I like the web pages but I can't see the words on the rule set page. I was wondering if my computer is screwed up (more than likely) or if its whats really going on. John Henry "Move over Kenedys! theres 4 Henry's in this democracy" -Chuck Henry John Henry -> "Money is just the way we keep score." <- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Get your Credit Report online! 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Chuck Henry
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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0D13D.9C2ED8E0-- From djacobs@n... Mon Apr 30 04:43:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 11:43:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 91935 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 11:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 11:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 11:43:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 18462 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 11:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.164) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 11:44:19 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010430074744.007e8ba0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:47:44 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Opening Update... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} As Speaker and Grand Silly Kniggit, I would like to officially welcome everyone back to the game... As most of us have been in a coma for the past few weeks, myself included, here's what's been going on: All SCORE POINTS have been reset to zero ALL Players other than myself are ACTIVE VOTERS Aurora has withdrawn from the game (sniff, sniff... we'll miss you!) The web pages have been overhauled (thanks Chuck!) 3 NEW players have joined! TRANSFER OF POWER: All the 'speaker stuff' has been transferred over to me, which means that I can write as many props as I want, but can no longer vote. It also means that Chuck now has active voter status, so e can write props and vote just like anyone else. Just a reminder, although the speaker cannot vote, e CAN write letters of support for other's proposals! NEW PLAYERS: over the break we had 3 NEW PLAYERS join!!! so we need volunteers for mentors ASAP!!! I'd like to officially welcome to Our Nomic the following players: Falcon Arendell Joel Ricker Adam Hrankowski OLD BUSINESS: Way back in January, we formed The Name Task Force (NTF) whose duty it was to come up with a name for our fine Nomic... under Rule 328, I hereby request a full status report from the NTF, to be received by the speaker no later than Midnight, May 3, 2001. 328. ....The NTF reports to the Speaker. At any time the Speaker can make requests of the NTF and receive a fulfillment of that request within 3 calendar days. If the request is not fulfilled in the 3 day period, the Speaker then may suspend operations of the NTF until the request is filled.... GAME ON folks!!!! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From sgamer@s... Mon Apr 30 05:44:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 12:44:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 71231 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 12:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 12:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 12:44:35 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GCL00JBIV4EUR@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:38:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:42:13 -0500 Subject: "Oops" To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <002301c0d172$fba2c7c0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: <3.0.2.32.20010430074744.007e8ba0@a...> X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer We're going to have to be careful- it seems there are two Adams in the game. Me (Adam Norberg) and Adam Hrankowski. I'll sign my name Adam N.; that should help clear things up. Makes me think of elementary school where we had Kelly D., Kelly M., Lauren L.. Lauren S., Lauren R., Adam N.(me), and Adam L. And that was in the same class. About the NTF... I know I'm not on it, but I have an idea for those who are: NomiCrazy... Also, I am unleashing my Proposition on the world. I already have one supporter... I think. See ABNPROP2, coming up... next on the Our Nomic Discussion List! --Adam N. From sgamer@s... Mon Apr 30 05:47:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 12:47:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 62953 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 12:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 12:47:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 12:47:36 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GCL00JO5VEYUR@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:44:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:48:33 -0500 Subject: ABNPROP2 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <002e01c0d173$ddb8e4a0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer Our Nomic is definitely slowing down. We have to make something happen. I plan on writing the following proposition; I'm trying to find two people to support this under "SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST." Next Rule: AND SO IT BEGINS Our Nomic, to this point, has been a framework- very interesting things, but no real game driving it. This rule has been created to remedy that situation. Rule text below: "An entity is now being defined as 'THE BOARD.' THE BOARD is a path, with an initial length equal to five times the number of players. If all spaces on The Board are defined, IGNORE this passage contained in stars: *Each player, in turn, decides what symbol is next on the Board: a +, a -, an =, or a ?. Players will be told that: Landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds.* If there are Minigames defined in every set (see below), each player is placed at the beginning of The Board, and rolls a die with a value of 1-5. This player moves that number of spaces, and the event occurs such that landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds. All players are moved at the same time. (If choices become available in the move, then this may change. Currently, however, movement is random, so it makes no difference.) After players are moved and teams are formed, a Minigame is played. A Minigame is a rule with a value ranging from 700-1000; rules within the Minigame Range are ignored until called upon as a Minigame. When a Minigame is needed, then a possible Minigame is randomly selected from all applicable Minigames. This Minigame is played. If only one team has members in it, the Minigame is from 801-900; otherwise, it's 700-800. 901-1000 is for times when the game is One vs. The World. Minigames submitted are IMMUNE to the "Support Your Local Lobbyist" rule, but they must be voted on. The Speaker will file them into the correct category. ALL Minigames must alter board positions and/or point values. After the minigame, all players roll again; usually the 1-5 die, but minigames may adjust this. After any player reaches the end of The Board, e wins 10 points and a new Board is formed as per the directions in stars, above." This should give us a real Game, now! Note that this rule only has meaning after minigames exist. Also note the low value of getting there first. This is due to the fact that it's currently pure luck in the movement; the Minigames are where the fun is all at ;-) ! --Adam Norberg From joejava@d... Mon Apr 30 06:19:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: joejava@d... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 13:19:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 2101 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 13:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 13:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.bna.bellsouth.net) (205.152.150.13) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 13:19:38 -0000 Received: from ceo (host-209-214-163-52.rdu.bellsouth.net [209.214.163.52]) by mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id JAA21609 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005f01c0d176$f5f9aa60$34a3d6d1@ceo> To: References: <3.0.2.32.20010430074744.007e8ba0@a...> <002301c0d172$fba2c7c0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> Subject: Proposal Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:10:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "JRicker" I propose the following rule under SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST. "Ye Olde Rusty Lantern" (a storytelling game) [Synopsis: the players (called Bards) are dealt a hand of cards. Each card bears a word or phrase describing a possible story element. The Bards take turns telling parts of a tale, playing cards by bringing the corresponding story elements into the yarn. When a Bard finishes the story by tying off all the loose ends and playing eir last card, e wins.] Equipment: some cards (to be provided by the Barkeep) Ale (generated as needed) a solid wooden table and benches The Barkeep The Barkeep is the person who started the game. At the beginning of the tale, the Barkeep shall announce the number of benches and the names of the Bards who will start the tale. (The Barkeep is considered the referee of the game.) Bards The Barkeep may not be a Bard. Anyone else may join (becoming a Bard) at any time, unless there are already as many players as benches. Any Bard may leave at any time. If it is a Bard's turn when e leaves, e is considered to have passed. The Bards are all imagined to sit around a table in the Barkeep's tavern, so whenever someone joins, the Barkeep shall choose a place around the table for em to sit. There must be at least two Bards for a tale to proceed, and no more Bards than benches; any time this is not the case for a particular instance of Ye Olde Rusty Lantern, that tale is suspended until the requirements are both met. (In the meantime, Bards are free to join or leave, but no cards may be played.) Cards The Barkeep shall privately make (or obtain) a long list of story elements before starting the game. Each story element is represented by one card. During the game, each card is either in the deck, held by one of the Bards, on the table, or burned. They all start out in the deck. The Barkeep keeps track of the cards. Each time the Barkeep posts a public update of the game, he should post the number of cards held by each Bard (but not which cards are held by whom), list the cards lying on the table, and tell whose turn it is. Each Bard receives seven cards upon joining, unless the Barkeep specified an alternate number at the start of the game. When a Bard leaves, eir cards return to the deck. When a Bard receives cards, the Barkeep chooses them randomly from the deck and sends them to that Bard via private mail. If there are not enough cards in the deck, the Barkeep shall either end the tale (lamely) or add story elements to his list of cards. A card is added to the deck for each new story element. The cards are then handed out as needed, and the tale goes on. Gameplay As soon as the Barkeep is ready to begin, e chooses a Bard to go first and names em publicly. It is that Bard's turn. On eir turn, a Bard either tries to make a play, or passes. If e successfully makes a play, it is still eir turn. When a play is denied (which happens, alas, to the best Bards from time to time) or the Bard passes, play goes to the next Bard, clockwise around the table. Passing A Bard may pass explicitly. Also, when the Barkeep notices that a Bard is asleep (i.e. it has been eir turn continuously for three days or more, and e has not tried a play in all that time) and posts a message to that effect, that Bard is considered to have passed. When a Bard passes, e receives a card. If a Bard is asleep(i.e. passes by default)for three of eir turns in a row(or more), then the Barkeep may announce, at the same time as announcing that e is asleep, that that Bard has gone Under The Table. At this point the Bard is removed from the game, and eir bench is considered empty. When a Bard passes explicitly, e may announce that e is discarding one of the cards from eir hand, naming the card. That card is burned. Plays A Bard attempts a play by sending a public message with the word "Lantern" (or "YORL") in the subject header. The text of the message should be a reasonable amount of suitable prose to add to (or start) the tale (150 to 300 words, or the length of previous segments, are good guidelines). If the Bard has any cards, the last line of the message should specify one of them. The Barkeep shall then reply, either verifying that the play was successful, or denying it. E may, in addition to verifying the play, announce that the card thus played is a new Loose End. This is done when, in the Barkeep's opinion, an interesting element is added to the game and isn't resolved right away: a villain is introduced; a map is found; a prophecy is made. When a card becomes a Loose End, it goes on the table, face up. When a card is successfully played, but doesn't become a Loose End, it is burned. [The tale isn't complete until all the Loose Ends have been tied off.] When a Bard attempts to play a card but is denied, the card is burned, and the Bard receives two cards to replace it. The Barkeep may deny a play for any of the following reasons: it is incomprehensible; it is a non sequitur from the previous bit of the story; it is not in the spirit of the game [e.g. the Bard is blatantly and rudely playing to get rid of cards rather than for the fun of the story]; it is too long or too short; the Bard has cards, but none of them is specified; no card was specified, and no Loose Ends were tied off; the play was attempted more than three days after the beginning of the Bard's turn; or a card was specified, but the text didn't bring it into the tale. That last reason begs some explanation. The text of a play is required to bring into the story the ideas specified on the card. [e.g. If a card bears the word "disguise", the Bard may play it only if he works a disguise into the story.] It's a matter of taste how central an idea must be in order to qualify. Generally, it is insufficient simply to discuss an item (it must be present), to mention the possibility of an event (it must take place), or to have a character talk about another character in dialogue (he must actually be introduced.) In any case, the Barkeep's reply is final. The Barkeep may, in addition to verifying the play, announce that one or more of the Loose Ends on the table have been resolved. This means that the most recent play has tied off those parts of the story. A Bard receives one Ale for each Loose End tied off by eir play. Upon being awarded an Ale, a player also receives a FairPlay Award. Interruptions A Bard may try to interrupt any play attempted by another Bard, either before or after the Barkeep replies to it, by announcing the interruption, along with the play being interrupted and the name of a card the interrupting Bard holds. [The idea is that the story element on this card is, by coincidence, a part of the story that the current Bard is telling; the interrupting Bard now takes over the tale.] An interruption never causes any of the tale to be discarded. Neither does it have any effect on the success or denial of any play currently being attempted. When a play and an interruption are both being attempted, the Barkeep must reply to the play first (regardless of which message e received first). The Barkeep shall reply to each interruption, either verifying that it was successful, or denying it. If the interruption is successful, then it is immediately the interrupting Bard's turn, and the Bard who was interrupted receives a card. The Barkeep shall deny an interruption if the card specified is not one the interrupting Bard has. In this case, one card is dealt to the interrupting Bard, as a penalty. The Barkeep shall deny an interruption if the story element on the specified card was not sufficiently mentioned in the interrupted play. In this case, the card is burned, and the interrupting Bard receives two cards to replace it, as a penalty. Again, what qualifies as a sufficient mention is up to the Barkeep, but in this case e is encouraged to be lenient. If an interruption is not denied for either of the above reasons, the Barkeep shall deny it if it comes too late-- that is, either the interrupted play was attempted more than three days ago, or it has already been successfully interrupted with a different card. In this case, the card is burned, and the Bard who attempted the interrupt is dealt one card to replace it. Winning A Bard wins when all of the following are true: e has no cards, e was the last to make a successful play, there are no Loose Ends, and there are no unprocessed Interrupts. If the story isn't quite "done" yet, the winning Bard may finish it however e pleases. Once that's done, the tale ends. For participating, the winning Bard receives 10 points. The Barkeep receives 20 PPs. PPs are awarded to the partipating Barts in following format: Participated in all of the game turns == 20 PPs Participated in at least 3/4ths of the game turns but less than all == 15 PPs Participated in at least 1/2 of the game turns but less than 3/4ths == 10PPs Participated in at least 1/4 of the game turns but less than 1/2 == 5 PPs The Barkeep also has a total of 10 points to distribute for Fairplay awards as e sees fit during the game or immediately after the game has ended. The Barkeep may not distribute these points to emselves and may not be kept. ----------------------------------- Nomopoly III now open. Join Today! http://www.justthefaqs.org/nomopoly/ From sgamer@s... Mon Apr 30 09:23:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 16:23:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 40405 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 16:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 16:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.28) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 16:23:15 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GCM0081T5DWLM@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:20:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:21:24 -0500 Subject: Let's Make A Deal To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <000701c0d191$99eec8c0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: <3.0.2.32.20010430074744.007e8ba0@a...> <002301c0d172$fba2c7c0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> <005f01c0d176$f5f9aa60$34a3d6d1@ceo> X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer I'll support that one, looks like fun, IF: You support my "The Game Is Afoot" minigame rule, and add this as a 1 vs The World minigame (1 is the Barkeeper, The World is the Bard Squad.) Ahh, politics, the core of any Nomic. I'll vote against it, by the way, if you don't negotiate... (Insert evil laugh here.) --Adam N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JRicker" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:10 AM Subject: [on_discussion] Proposal > I propose the following rule under SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST. > > "Ye Olde Rusty Lantern" (a storytelling game) > > [Synopsis: the players (called Bards) are dealt a hand of cards. Each > card bears a word or phrase describing a possible story element. The > Bards take turns telling parts of a tale, playing cards by bringing the > corresponding story elements into the yarn. When a Bard finishes the > story by tying off all the loose ends and playing eir last card, e > wins.] > > Equipment: > > some cards (to be provided by the Barkeep) > Ale (generated as needed) > a solid wooden table and benches > > The Barkeep > > The Barkeep is the person who started the game. At the beginning of the > tale, the Barkeep shall announce the number of benches and the names of > the Bards who will start the tale. > > (The Barkeep is considered the referee of the game.) > > Bards > > The Barkeep may not be a Bard. Anyone else may join (becoming a Bard) at > any time, unless there are already as many players as benches. Any Bard > may leave at any time. If it is a Bard's turn when e leaves, e is > considered to have passed. The Bards are all imagined to sit around a > table in the Barkeep's tavern, so whenever someone joins, the Barkeep > shall choose a place around the table for em to sit. > > There must be at least two Bards for a tale to proceed, and no more > Bards than benches; any time this is not the case for a particular > instance of Ye Olde Rusty Lantern, that tale is suspended until the > requirements are both met. (In the meantime, Bards are free to join or > leave, but no cards may be played.) > > Cards > > The Barkeep shall privately make (or obtain) a long list of story > elements before starting the game. Each story element is represented by > one card. During the game, each card is either in the deck, held by one > of the Bards, on the table, or burned. They all start out in the deck. > The Barkeep keeps track of the cards. Each time the Barkeep posts a > public update of the game, he should post the number of cards held by > each Bard (but not which cards are held by whom), list the cards lying > on the table, and tell whose turn it is. Each Bard receives seven cards > upon joining, unless the Barkeep specified an alternate number at the > start of the game. When a Bard leaves, eir cards return to the deck. > > When a Bard receives cards, the Barkeep chooses them randomly from the > deck and sends them to that Bard via private mail. If there are not > enough cards in the deck, the Barkeep shall either end the tale (lamely) > or add story elements to his list of cards. A card is added to the deck > for each new story element. The cards are then handed out as needed, and > the tale goes on. > > Gameplay > > As soon as the Barkeep is ready to begin, e chooses a Bard to go first > and names em publicly. It is that Bard's turn. > > On eir turn, a Bard either tries to make a play, or passes. If e > successfully makes a play, it is still eir turn. When a play is denied > (which happens, alas, to the best Bards from time to time) or the Bard > passes, play goes to the next Bard, clockwise around the table. > > Passing > > A Bard may pass explicitly. Also, when the Barkeep notices that a Bard > is asleep (i.e. it has been eir turn continuously for three days or > more, and e has not tried a play in all that time) and posts a message > to that effect, that Bard is considered to have passed. When a Bard > passes, e receives a card. > > If a Bard is asleep(i.e. passes by default)for three of eir turns in a > row(or more), then the Barkeep may announce, at the same time as > announcing that e is asleep, that that Bard has gone Under The Table. At > this point the Bard is removed from the game, and eir bench is > considered empty. > > When a Bard passes explicitly, e may announce that e is discarding one > of the cards from eir hand, naming the card. That card is burned. > > Plays > > A Bard attempts a play by sending a public message with the word > "Lantern" (or "YORL") in the subject header. The text of the message > should be a reasonable amount of suitable prose to add to (or start) the > tale (150 to 300 words, or the length of previous segments, are good > guidelines). If the Bard has any cards, the last line of the message > should specify one of them. > > The Barkeep shall then reply, either verifying that the play was > successful, or denying it. E may, in addition to verifying the play, > announce that the card thus played is a new Loose End. This is done > when, in the Barkeep's opinion, an interesting element is added to the > game and isn't resolved right away: a villain is introduced; a map is > found; a prophecy is made. When a card becomes a Loose End, it goes on > the table, face up. When a card is successfully played, but doesn't > become a Loose End, it is burned. [The tale isn't complete until all the > Loose Ends have been tied off.] When a Bard attempts to play a card but > is denied, the card is burned, and the Bard receives two cards to > replace it. > > The Barkeep may deny a play for any of the following reasons: it is > incomprehensible; it is a non sequitur from the previous bit of the > story; it is not in the spirit of the game [e.g. the Bard is blatantly > and rudely playing to get rid of cards rather than for the fun of the > story]; it is too long or too short; the Bard has cards, but none of > them is specified; no card was specified, and no Loose Ends were tied > off; the play was attempted more than three days after the beginning of > the Bard's turn; or a card was specified, but the text didn't bring it > into the tale. > > That last reason begs some explanation. The text of a play is required > to bring into the story the ideas specified on the card. [e.g. If a card > bears the word "disguise", the Bard may play it only if he works a > disguise into the story.] It's a matter of taste how central an idea > must be in order to qualify. Generally, it is insufficient simply to > discuss an item (it must be present), to mention the possibility of an > event (it must take place), or to have a character talk about another > character in dialogue (he must actually be introduced.) In any case, the > Barkeep's reply is final. > > The Barkeep may, in addition to verifying the play, announce that one or > more of the Loose Ends on the table have been resolved. This means that > the most recent play has tied off those parts of the story. A Bard > receives one Ale for each Loose End tied off by eir play. Upon being > awarded an Ale, a player also receives a FairPlay Award. > > Interruptions > > A Bard may try to interrupt any play attempted by another Bard, either > before or after the Barkeep replies to it, by announcing the > interruption, along with the play being interrupted and the name of a > card the interrupting Bard holds. [The idea is that the story element on > this card is, by coincidence, a part of the story that the current Bard > is telling; the interrupting Bard now takes over the tale.] > > An interruption never causes any of the tale to be discarded. Neither > does it have any effect on the success or denial of any play currently > being attempted. When a play and an interruption are both being > attempted, the Barkeep must reply to the play first (regardless of which > message e received first). > > The Barkeep shall reply to each interruption, either verifying that it > was successful, or denying it. If the interruption is successful, then > it is immediately the interrupting Bard's turn, and the Bard who was > interrupted receives a card. > > The Barkeep shall deny an interruption if the card specified is not one > the interrupting Bard has. In this case, one card is dealt to the > interrupting Bard, as a penalty. > > The Barkeep shall deny an interruption if the story element on the > specified card was not sufficiently mentioned in the interrupted play. > In this case, the card is burned, and the interrupting Bard receives two > cards to replace it, as a penalty. Again, what qualifies as a sufficient > mention is up to the Barkeep, but in this case e is encouraged to be > lenient. > > If an interruption is not denied for either of the above reasons, the > Barkeep shall deny it if it comes too late-- that is, either the > interrupted play was attempted more than three days ago, or it has > already been successfully interrupted with a different card. In this > case, the card is burned, and the Bard who attempted the interrupt is > dealt one card to replace it. > > Winning > > A Bard wins when all of the following are true: e has no cards, e was > the last to make a successful play, there are no Loose Ends, and there > are no unprocessed Interrupts. If the story isn't quite "done" yet, the > winning Bard may finish it however e pleases. Once that's done, the tale > ends. > > For participating, the winning Bard receives 10 points. The Barkeep > receives 20 PPs. PPs are awarded to the partipating Barts in following > format: > > Participated in all of the game turns == 20 PPs > Participated in at least 3/4ths of the game turns but less than all == > 15 PPs > Participated in at least 1/2 of the game turns but less than 3/4ths == > 10PPs > Participated in at least 1/4 of the game turns but less than 1/2 == 5 > PPs > > The Barkeep also has a total of 10 points to distribute for Fairplay > awards as e sees fit during the game or immediately after the game has > ended. The Barkeep may not distribute these points to emselves and may > not be kept. > > > ----------------------------------- > Nomopoly III now open. Join Today! > http://www.justthefaqs.org/nomopoly/ > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From falcon.arendell@w... Mon Apr 30 11:20:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: falcon.arendell@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 18:20:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 38683 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 18:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 18:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dgesmtp01.wcom.com) (199.249.16.16) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 18:20:46 -0000 Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GCM00HALAYCZ2@f...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:20:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GCM00501AXN73@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:20:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cay60966 ([166.44.64.125]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GCM00452AXDKG@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:20:01 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:18:28 -0400 Subject: An Ounce of Prevention To: "NOMIC (E-mail)" Message-id: <010301c0d1a1$f55804a0$7d402ca6@cay60966> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_L4Y8JnnxL3n6quINP4EVmQ)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: Falcon Arendell --Boundary_(ID_L4Y8JnnxL3n6quINP4EVmQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE PROPOSITION (FMAPROP1) FOR DEBATE Baby Please Don=92t Go! If at any time the Speaker leaves the game, a new Speaker must be named using the following process: 1. The position is offered to the Active Voter with the highest Prestige Points. This should be the person most active in the game. 2. Any Voter has the option of turning down the position of Speaker. 3. Any Voter turning down the position of Speaker shall have their Prestige Point total adjusted to equal one (1) less than the next highest total. 4. If all Active Voters turn down the position of Speaker (or there are no Active Voters) the position will be given to the Voter with the highest Point Total. This person may not turn down the position. ____________________________ Falcon Arendell General Manager Raleigh's Village Idiots www.idiots.net "If you pet a wasp, it will sting you" LEM --Boundary_(ID_L4Y8JnnxL3n6quINP4EVmQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

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  1. The position is offered to the Active Voter with the highest Prestige Poin= ts.  This should be the person mo= st active in the game.
  2. Any Voter has the option of turning down the position of Speaker.
  3. Any Voter turning down the position of Speaker shall have their Prestige P= oint total adjusted to equal one (1) less than the next highest total.=
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Falcon Arendell

General Manager

Raleigh's Village Idiots

www.idiots.net

 

"If you pet a wasp, it will sti= ng you"

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--Boundary_(ID_L4Y8JnnxL3n6quINP4EVmQ)-- From falcon.arendell@w... Mon Apr 30 11:42:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: falcon.arendell@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 18:42:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 72505 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 18:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 18:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pmesmtp01.wcom.com) (199.249.20.1) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 18:42:48 -0000 Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GCM00F9JBZ7JY@f...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:42:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GCM00H01BZ1RH@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:42:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cay60966 ([166.44.64.125]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GCM00G91BY23I@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:42:03 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:40:29 -0400 Subject: RE: [on_discussion] Proposal In-reply-to: <005f01c0d176$f5f9aa60$34a3d6d1@ceo> To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <010d01c0d1a5$088d9780$7d402ca6@cay60966> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: Falcon Arendell Two recommendations for this proposal: Limit number of concurrent games to one. Create a separate mailing list for this sub-game so that the non-sub-game playing members of Nomic are not forced to watch. Perhaps the historian can create a page to show "Our Story So Far." __________________________________ Falcon Arendell Founder of the Apathist Party falcon@2... "The clock on the Hudson City Savings Bank billboard says 6:30, indicating nothing but the hands' exhaustion" M. Leyner -----Original Message----- From: JRicker [mailto:joejava@d...] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:11 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] Proposal I propose the following rule under SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST. "Ye Olde Rusty Lantern" (a storytelling game) [Synopsis: the players (called Bards) are dealt a hand of cards. Each card bears a word or phrase describing a possible story element. The Bards take turns telling parts of a tale, playing cards by bringing the corresponding story elements into the yarn. When a Bard finishes the story by tying off all the loose ends and playing eir last card, e wins.] Equipment: some cards (to be provided by the Barkeep) Ale (generated as needed) a solid wooden table and benches The Barkeep The Barkeep is the person who started the game. At the beginning of the tale, the Barkeep shall announce the number of benches and the names of the Bards who will start the tale. (The Barkeep is considered the referee of the game.) Bards The Barkeep may not be a Bard. Anyone else may join (becoming a Bard) at any time, unless there are already as many players as benches. Any Bard may leave at any time. If it is a Bard's turn when e leaves, e is considered to have passed. The Bards are all imagined to sit around a table in the Barkeep's tavern, so whenever someone joins, the Barkeep shall choose a place around the table for em to sit. There must be at least two Bards for a tale to proceed, and no more Bards than benches; any time this is not the case for a particular instance of Ye Olde Rusty Lantern, that tale is suspended until the requirements are both met. (In the meantime, Bards are free to join or leave, but no cards may be played.) Cards The Barkeep shall privately make (or obtain) a long list of story elements before starting the game. Each story element is represented by one card. During the game, each card is either in the deck, held by one of the Bards, on the table, or burned. They all start out in the deck. The Barkeep keeps track of the cards. Each time the Barkeep posts a public update of the game, he should post the number of cards held by each Bard (but not which cards are held by whom), list the cards lying on the table, and tell whose turn it is. Each Bard receives seven cards upon joining, unless the Barkeep specified an alternate number at the start of the game. When a Bard leaves, eir cards return to the deck. When a Bard receives cards, the Barkeep chooses them randomly from the deck and sends them to that Bard via private mail. If there are not enough cards in the deck, the Barkeep shall either end the tale (lamely) or add story elements to his list of cards. A card is added to the deck for each new story element. The cards are then handed out as needed, and the tale goes on. Gameplay As soon as the Barkeep is ready to begin, e chooses a Bard to go first and names em publicly. It is that Bard's turn. On eir turn, a Bard either tries to make a play, or passes. If e successfully makes a play, it is still eir turn. When a play is denied (which happens, alas, to the best Bards from time to time) or the Bard passes, play goes to the next Bard, clockwise around the table. Passing A Bard may pass explicitly. Also, when the Barkeep notices that a Bard is asleep (i.e. it has been eir turn continuously for three days or more, and e has not tried a play in all that time) and posts a message to that effect, that Bard is considered to have passed. When a Bard passes, e receives a card. If a Bard is asleep(i.e. passes by default)for three of eir turns in a row(or more), then the Barkeep may announce, at the same time as announcing that e is asleep, that that Bard has gone Under The Table. At this point the Bard is removed from the game, and eir bench is considered empty. When a Bard passes explicitly, e may announce that e is discarding one of the cards from eir hand, naming the card. That card is burned. Plays A Bard attempts a play by sending a public message with the word "Lantern" (or "YORL") in the subject header. The text of the message should be a reasonable amount of suitable prose to add to (or start) the tale (150 to 300 words, or the length of previous segments, are good guidelines). If the Bard has any cards, the last line of the message should specify one of them. The Barkeep shall then reply, either verifying that the play was successful, or denying it. E may, in addition to verifying the play, announce that the card thus played is a new Loose End. This is done when, in the Barkeep's opinion, an interesting element is added to the game and isn't resolved right away: a villain is introduced; a map is found; a prophecy is made. When a card becomes a Loose End, it goes on the table, face up. When a card is successfully played, but doesn't become a Loose End, it is burned. [The tale isn't complete until all the Loose Ends have been tied off.] When a Bard attempts to play a card but is denied, the card is burned, and the Bard receives two cards to replace it. The Barkeep may deny a play for any of the following reasons: it is incomprehensible; it is a non sequitur from the previous bit of the story; it is not in the spirit of the game [e.g. the Bard is blatantly and rudely playing to get rid of cards rather than for the fun of the story]; it is too long or too short; the Bard has cards, but none of them is specified; no card was specified, and no Loose Ends were tied off; the play was attempted more than three days after the beginning of the Bard's turn; or a card was specified, but the text didn't bring it into the tale. That last reason begs some explanation. The text of a play is required to bring into the story the ideas specified on the card. [e.g. If a card bears the word "disguise", the Bard may play it only if he works a disguise into the story.] It's a matter of taste how central an idea must be in order to qualify. Generally, it is insufficient simply to discuss an item (it must be present), to mention the possibility of an event (it must take place), or to have a character talk about another character in dialogue (he must actually be introduced.) In any case, the Barkeep's reply is final. The Barkeep may, in addition to verifying the play, announce that one or more of the Loose Ends on the table have been resolved. This means that the most recent play has tied off those parts of the story. A Bard receives one Ale for each Loose End tied off by eir play. Upon being awarded an Ale, a player also receives a FairPlay Award. Interruptions A Bard may try to interrupt any play attempted by another Bard, either before or after the Barkeep replies to it, by announcing the interruption, along with the play being interrupted and the name of a card the interrupting Bard holds. [The idea is that the story element on this card is, by coincidence, a part of the story that the current Bard is telling; the interrupting Bard now takes over the tale.] An interruption never causes any of the tale to be discarded. Neither does it have any effect on the success or denial of any play currently being attempted. When a play and an interruption are both being attempted, the Barkeep must reply to the play first (regardless of which message e received first). The Barkeep shall reply to each interruption, either verifying that it was successful, or denying it. If the interruption is successful, then it is immediately the interrupting Bard's turn, and the Bard who was interrupted receives a card. The Barkeep shall deny an interruption if the card specified is not one the interrupting Bard has. In this case, one card is dealt to the interrupting Bard, as a penalty. The Barkeep shall deny an interruption if the story element on the specified card was not sufficiently mentioned in the interrupted play. In this case, the card is burned, and the interrupting Bard receives two cards to replace it, as a penalty. Again, what qualifies as a sufficient mention is up to the Barkeep, but in this case e is encouraged to be lenient. If an interruption is not denied for either of the above reasons, the Barkeep shall deny it if it comes too late-- that is, either the interrupted play was attempted more than three days ago, or it has already been successfully interrupted with a different card. In this case, the card is burned, and the Bard who attempted the interrupt is dealt one card to replace it. Winning A Bard wins when all of the following are true: e has no cards, e was the last to make a successful play, there are no Loose Ends, and there are no unprocessed Interrupts. If the story isn't quite "done" yet, the winning Bard may finish it however e pleases. Once that's done, the tale ends. For participating, the winning Bard receives 10 points. The Barkeep receives 20 PPs. PPs are awarded to the partipating Barts in following format: Participated in all of the game turns == 20 PPs Participated in at least 3/4ths of the game turns but less than all == 15 PPs Participated in at least 1/2 of the game turns but less than 3/4ths == 10PPs Participated in at least 1/4 of the game turns but less than 1/2 == 5 PPs The Barkeep also has a total of 10 points to distribute for Fairplay awards as e sees fit during the game or immediately after the game has ended. The Barkeep may not distribute these points to emselves and may not be kept. ----------------------------------- Nomopoly III now open. Join Today! http://www.justthefaqs.org/nomopoly/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sgamer@s... Mon Apr 30 13:51:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 20:51:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 32878 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 20:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 20:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 20:51:37 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GCM001TLHM42I@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:44:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:48:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] An Ounce of Prevention To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <000a01c0d1b6$dad02120$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: <010301c0d1a1$f55804a0$7d402ca6@cay60966> X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer I second the motion. Under SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST, I, Adam Norberg, support this proposal, commenting that it's a good idea. --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message ----- From: Falcon Arendell To: NOMIC (E-mail) Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 1:18 PM Subject: [on_discussion] An Ounce of Prevention PROPOSITION (FMAPROP1) FOR DEBATE Baby Please Don't Go! If at any time the Speaker leaves the game, a new Speaker must be named using the following process: The position is offered to the Active Voter with the highest Prestige Points. This should be the person most active in the game. Any Voter has the option of turning down the position of Speaker. Any Voter turning down the position of Speaker shall have their Prestige Point total adjusted to equal one (1) less than the next highest total. If all Active Voters turn down the position of Speaker (or there are no Active Voters) the position will be given to the Voter with the highest Point Total. This person may not turn down the position. ____________________________ Falcon Arendell General Manager Raleigh's Village Idiots www.idiots.net "If you pet a wasp, it will sting you" LEM Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From mattkeppel@y... Mon Apr 30 15:08:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mattkeppel@y... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 30 Apr 2001 22:08:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 78623 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 22:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2001 22:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12104.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.24) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 22:08:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20010430220853.15857.qmail@w...> Received: from [64.30.155.66] by web12104.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:08:53 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Naming Task Force To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20010430074744.007e8ba0@a...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Matthew Keppel Greeting and Salutations citizens of Nomicsylvania! As head of the NFT, it is my job to oversee the renaming of our fair game. I hereby request all current players to please submit at least one suggestion for a new name. Suggestions can me e-mailed to me directly (mattkeppel@y...) or via the discussion list. Suggestions must be made no later than Monday, May 7th at midnight. Once all suggestions have been collected, the NTF will proceed from there. Thank you for your time and happy gaming! Your humble Nomic servant, Matt Keppel Lesser Silly Kniggit, Head of the NFT, and all around nice guy PS - Adam N., your suggestion has been noted. Feel free to submit more! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From sgamer@s... Mon Apr 30 17:00:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 1 May 2001 00:00:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 77034 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 00:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 May 2001 00:00:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.28) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 May 2001 00:00:38 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GCM00J4YQLVVB@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:58:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:59:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Naming Task Force To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <001c01c0d1d1$a5afb620$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: <20010430220853.15857.qmail@w...> X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer Another list of NTF suggestions: Nomicsylvania (Look at how much we use the term. Need I say more?) Bribic (Making fun of "SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST"- see my "Let's Make A Deal" mail.) Oh, No-mic! Nomicool Etc... --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Keppel" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: [on_discussion] Naming Task Force > Greeting and Salutations citizens of Nomicsylvania! > As head of the NFT, it is my job to oversee the > renaming of our fair game. I hereby request all > current players to please submit at least one > suggestion for a new name. Suggestions can me > e-mailed to me directly (mattkeppel@y...) or via > the discussion list. Suggestions must be made no > later than Monday, May 7th at midnight. Once all > suggestions have been collected, the NTF will proceed > from there. Thank you for your time and happy gaming! > > Your humble Nomic servant, > Matt Keppel > Lesser Silly Kniggit, > Head of the NFT, > and all around nice guy > > PS - Adam N., your suggestion has been noted. Feel > free to submit more! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kandelar@n... Mon Apr 30 22:20:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 1 May 2001 05:20:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 18514 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 05:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 May 2001 05:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 May 2001 05:20:21 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with SMTP id f415KK616424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003301c0d1fe$f8b231e0$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: References: <3.0.2.32.20010430074744.007e8ba0@a...> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Opening Update... Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:24:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C0D1C4.4C195E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C0D1C4.4C195E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd like to mention that I'm a new player as well and wouldn't mind getting= one of these 'mentors' if there are any available... Thanks! -Mark Risen ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar}=20 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 4:47 AM Subject: [on_discussion] Opening Update... As Speaker and Grand Silly Kniggit, I would like to officially welcome ev= eryone back to the game...=20 As most of us have been in a coma for the past few weeks, myself included= , here's what's been going on: All SCORE POINTS have been reset to zero ALL Players other than myself are ACTIVE VOTERS Aurora has withdrawn from the game (sniff, sniff... we'll miss you!) The web pages have been overhauled (thanks Chuck!) 3 NEW players have joined! TRANSFER OF POWER: All the 'speaker stuff' has been transferred over to me, which means that= I can write as many props as I want, but can no longer vote. It also means= that Chuck now has active voter status, so e can write props and vote just= like anyone else. Just a reminder, although the speaker cannot vote, e CAN= write letters of support for other's proposals! NEW PLAYERS: over the break we had 3 NEW PLAYERS join!!! so we need volunteers for men= tors ASAP!!! I'd like to officially welcome to Our Nomic the following players: Falcon Arendell Joel Ricker Adam Hrankowski OLD BUSINESS: Way back in January, we formed The Name Task Force (NTF) whose duty it wa= s to come up with a name for our fine Nomic... under Rule 328, I hereby req= uest a full status report from the NTF, to be received by the speaker no la= ter than Midnight, May 3, 2001. 328. ....The NTF reports to the Speaker. At any time the Speaker can make= requests of the NTF and receive a fulfillment of that request within 3 cal= endar days. If the request is not fulfilled in the 3 day period, the Speake= r then may suspend operations of the NTF until the request is filled.... GAME ON folks!!!! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C0D1C4.4C195E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd like to mention that I'm a new player = as well=20 and wouldn't mind getting one of these 'mentors' if there are any=20 available...
 
Thanks!
    -Mark Risen
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Devo= n Jacobs=20 {Darkstar}
To: on_discussion@y...= om=20
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 4:47= =20 AM
Subject: [on_discussion] Opening=20 Update...

As Speaker and Grand Silly Kniggit, I would like to offici= ally=20 welcome everyone back to the game...

As most of us have been in a= coma=20 for the past few weeks, myself included, here's what's been going=20 on:

All SCORE POINTS have been reset to zero
ALL Players= =20 other than myself are ACTIVE VOTERS
Aurora has withdrawn from the game= =20 (sniff, sniff... we'll miss you!)
The web pages have been overhauled=20 (thanks Chuck!)
3 NEW players have joined!

TRANSFER OF=20 POWER:
All the 'speaker stuff' has been transferred over to me, wh= ich=20 means that I can write as many props as I want, but can no longer vote. I= t=20 also means that Chuck now has active voter status, so e can write props a= nd=20 vote just like anyone else. Just a reminder, although the speaker cannot = vote,=20 e CAN write letters of support for other's proposals!

NEW=20 PLAYERS:
over the break we had 3 NEW PLAYERS join!!! so we = need=20 volunteers for mentors ASAP!!!
I'd like to officially welcome to Our N= omic=20 the following players:

Falcon Arendell
Joel Ricker
Adam=20 Hrankowski

OLD BUSINESS:
Way back in January, we formed = The=20 Name Task Force (NTF) whose duty it was to come up with a name for our fi= ne=20 Nomic... under Rule 328, I hereby request a full status report from the N= TF,=20 to be received by the speaker no later than Midnight, May 3,=20 2001.

328. ....The NTF reports to the Speaker. At any time the= =20 Speaker can make requests of the NTF and receive a fulfillment of that re= quest=20 within 3 calendar days. If the request is not fulfilled in the 3 day peri= od,=20 the Speaker then may suspend operations of the NTF until the request is=20 filled....

GAME ON folks!!!!


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\= =20 \||___|
\ /.:.\-\
|.:. /-----\
|___|::oOo::|
/=20 |:<_T_>:|
|_____\ ::: /
| | \ \:/
| | | |
\ / | \___/ |=20 \_____\
`-'
-Devon Jacobs-
-Grand Silly Kniggit-
--Speaker of= Our=20 Nomic--

------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C0D1C4.4C195E20-- From fur@w... Tue May 01 05:33:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fur@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 1 May 2001 12:33:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 8757 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 12:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 May 2001 12:20:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 May 2001 12:20:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 18132 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 10:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.43) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 1 May 2001 10:31:21 -0000 To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Mentoring Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 06:28:30 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Fur" I will gladly mentor someone........if there's anyone left to be mentored. -Jen From falcon.arendell@w... Tue May 01 09:17:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: falcon.arendell@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 1 May 2001 16:17:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 99911 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 13:58:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 May 2001 13:58:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dgesmtp02.wcom.com) (199.249.16.17) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 May 2001 13:58:35 -0000 Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GCN00II0TGSPA@f...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 1 May 2001 13:58:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GCN00001TGSTN@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 May 2001 13:58:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cay60966 ([166.44.64.125]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GCN00018TGCI4@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 May 2001 13:57:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 09:56:12 -0400 Subject: RE: [on_discussion] Naming Task Force In-reply-to: <20010430220853.15857.qmail@w...> To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <000001c0d246$7be2aad0$7d402ca6@cay60966> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: Falcon Arendell How about "Gnomic" in commemoration of all the tiny lives of the people of Nomicsylvania. _________________________________________________ "I was going to thank all the little people, but then I remembered I am the little people" Paul Willams Oscar Acceptance Speech -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Keppel [mailto:mattkeppel@y...] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 6:09 PM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] Naming Task Force Greeting and Salutations citizens of Nomicsylvania! As head of the NFT, it is my job to oversee the renaming of our fair game. I hereby request all current players to please submit at least one suggestion for a new name. Suggestions can me e-mailed to me directly (mattkeppel@y...) or via the discussion list. Suggestions must be made no later than Monday, May 7th at midnight. Once all suggestions have been collected, the NTF will proceed from there. Thank you for your time and happy gaming! Your humble Nomic servant, Matt Keppel Lesser Silly Kniggit, Head of the NFT, and all around nice guy PS - Adam N., your suggestion has been noted. Feel free to submit more! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sgamer@s... Tue May 01 14:16:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 1 May 2001 21:16:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 98009 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 17:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 May 2001 17:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 May 2001 17:01:26 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GCO00IL70SO9N@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:36:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 11:39:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Naming Task Force To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <000701c0d25d$52b72660$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: <000001c0d246$7be2aad0$7d402ca6@cay60966> X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer Gnomic's already been done. Sorry. --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Falcon Arendell" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: RE: [on_discussion] Naming Task Force > How about "Gnomic" in commemoration of all the tiny lives of the people of > Nomicsylvania. > > _________________________________________________ > "I was going to thank all the little people, but then I remembered > I am the little people" > > Paul Willams > Oscar Acceptance Speech > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Keppel [mailto:mattkeppel@y...] > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 6:09 PM > To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [on_discussion] Naming Task Force > > Greeting and Salutations citizens of Nomicsylvania! > As head of the NFT, it is my job to oversee the > renaming of our fair game. I hereby request all > current players to please submit at least one > suggestion for a new name. Suggestions can me > e-mailed to me directly (mattkeppel@y...) or via > the discussion list. Suggestions must be made no > later than Monday, May 7th at midnight. Once all > suggestions have been collected, the NTF will proceed > from there. Thank you for your time and happy gaming! > > Your humble Nomic servant, > Matt Keppel > Lesser Silly Kniggit, > Head of the NFT, > and all around nice guy > > PS - Adam N., your suggestion has been noted. Feel > free to submit more! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From djacobs@n... Tue May 01 18:02:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 01:02:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 97083 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 22:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 May 2001 22:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 May 2001 22:35:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 6210 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 22:35:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (209.2.153.136) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 1 May 2001 22:35:37 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010501180229.007db900@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:02:29 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] An Ounce of Prevention In-Reply-To: <000a01c0d1b6$dad02120$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> References: <010301c0d1a1$f55804a0$7d402ca6@cay60966> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} HI folks, just a reminder, under the amended rule 332 SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST (see 337) support for props should be gained via DIRECT e-mail communication between the author, and the person e is trying to get support from. Then once sufficient support is obtained (2 letters) the prop and the support letters should be submitted directly to the speaker for voting... it is NOT necessary to post props to the on_discussion group unless you are submitting them under RULE 303 (PROPOSITION ($$$PROP#) FOR DEBATE) Rule 337 states --> ...This support must be gained through direct e-mail communication with other players. The on_discussion mailing list may not be used to lobby for support of a proposal that will be submitted directly to the speaker for voting... if you instead would rather not try to lobby for support, you may post a prop to the on_discussion group as stated in rule 303 (PROPOSITION ($$$PROP#) FOR DEBATE) and after the appropriate waiting period has passed, submit it to the speaker for a vote. hope that clears things up a bit..... At 03:48 PM 4/30/01 -0500, you wrote: >>>> I second the motion. Under SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST, I, Adam Norberg, support this proposal, commenting that it's a good idea. . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From john@w... Tue May 01 18:19:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: john@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 01:19:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 17811 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 May 2001 21:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 May 2001 21:35:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 26518 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 21:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO v9b8m7) (216.238.36.17) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 1 May 2001 21:35:43 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c0d286$bd93bb00$1124eed8@v9b8m7> To: Subject: PROPOSITION FOR DEBATE Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:36:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0D265.355B9C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "John Henry" ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0D265.355B9C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 LOAN FROM THE RICH AND GIVE TO THE POOR In the current state of Our Nomic with the increase of new players, these p= layers should have at least a start toward their goal of 100 points. The tr= ading of points shall occur in this way: =20 Any player with a score total of less than 50 can put out a statement askin= g if any other player wishes to loan them points.=20 =20 If a player responds yes then the two players will send a request to the sp= eaker saying who and how many score points. The loans can be from one (1) t= o twenty (20) points. =20 If the loan is made, then the points are added to the loaned and subtracted= from the loaner. =20 The player must pay the loaner 150% of the amount loaned. That is the amoun= t of the loan + half of the loan amount rounded up to the nearest whole num= ber.=20 =20 The loans must be repaid within 10 votes since the loan was made.=20 =20 On the Players Page on the website it must say next to the players PPs how = much that person needed to pay back and to whom. Example: PPs Loans 7593 Owes (#) to billy-bob-bo The person paying back the loan can divide newly received points to him and= the loan-e or can wait. =20 The speaker must be notified of the score changes and the # of points that = you do not owe anymore. COMMENTS FROM PROPOSER: This may give new players the benefit of the genero= sity even away from the holiday season. Johnny Henry ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0D265.355B9C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

LOAN FROM THE RICH AND GIVE TO THE POOR

 

In the current state of Our Nomic with the increase of= new=20 players, these players should have at least a start toward their goal of 10= 0=20 points. The trading of points shall occur in this way:

 

Any player with a score total of less than 50 can put = out a=20 statement asking if any other player wishes to loan them points.

 

If a player responds yes then the two players will sen= d a=20 request to the speaker saying who and how many score points.= The=20 loans can be from one (1) to twenty (20) points.

 

If the loan is made, then the points are added to= the=20 loaned and subtracted from the loaner.

 

The player must pay the loaner 150% of the amount loan= ed.=20 That is the amount of the loan + half of the loan amount rounded up to= the=20 nearest whole number.

 

The loans must be repaid within 10 votes since the loa= n was=20 made. 

 

On the Players Page on the website it must say next to= the=20 players PPs how much that person needed to pay back and to whom.=20 Example:

 

PPs      Loans

 

7593    Owes (#) to billy-bob-bo

 

The person paying back the loan can divide newly recei= ved=20 points to him and the loan-e or can wait.

 

The speaker must be notified of the score changes and = the #=20 of points that you do not owe anymore.

 

COMMENTS FROM PROPOSER: This may give new players the = benefit=20 of the generosity even away from the holiday season.

 

Johnny Henry

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0D265.355B9C60-- From john@w... Tue May 01 18:20:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: john@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 01:20:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 19605 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 21:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 May 2001 21:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 May 2001 21:36:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 27283 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 21:36:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO v9b8m7) (216.238.36.17) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 1 May 2001 21:36:28 -0000 Message-ID: <003c01c0d286$d8a645c0$1124eed8@v9b8m7> To: Subject: PROPOSITION FOR DEBATE Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:36:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C0D265.50DC0420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "John Henry" ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C0D265.50DC0420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 THE LOYAL ORDER OF NOMIC SCOUTS =20 There is a Loyal Order of Nomic Scouts who goes helping the new players and= whoever needs helping. They always volunteer to mentor a new player and he= lp old ladies across streets! (Okay, helping old ladies across streets is a= bit much.)=20 Players new and old can turn to them for help on all their Nomic needs! Thi= s group shall be lead by a person called a Scout Master.=20 The first Scout Master is John Henry. The current leader out of the Scout T= roop will appoint the next Scout Master. At the time of the leadership chan= ge, any Scout who wishes to become the leader will e-mail the Scout Master.= Then the Scout Master will pick the worthy one out of the group. The Scout= Master may step down at any time. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C0D265.50DC0420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

THE LOYAL ORDER OF NOMIC SCOUTS

 

There is a Loyal Order of Nomic Scouts who goes helpin= g the=20 new players and whoever needs helping. They always volunteer to mentor a ne= w=20 player and help old ladies across streets! (Okay, helping old ladies across= =20 streets is a bit much.)

Players new and old can turn to them for help on all t= heir=20 Nomic needs! This group shall be lead by a person called a Scout Master.

The first Scout Master is John Henry. The current lead= er out=20 of the Scout Troop will appoint the next Scout Master. At the time of the=20 leadership change, any Scout who wishes to become the leader will e-mail th= e=20 Scout Master. Then the Scout Master will pick the worthy one out of the gro= up.=20 The Scout Master may step down at any time.

------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C0D265.50DC0420-- From kandelar@n... Tue May 01 20:55:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 03:55:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 1108 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 03:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 May 2001 03:21:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 03:20:58 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with SMTP id f423Kve03148 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 20:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002101c0d2b7$a62589e0$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: References: <003101c0d286$bd93bb00$1124eed8@v9b8m7> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION FOR DEBATE Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:26:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0D27C.F97BED40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0D27C.F97BED40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I disagree with the portion reading "The loans must be repaid within 10 vot= es since the loan was made" for the reason that, with a little help, 10 pro= positions that require voting can be forced through. I suggest providing a = minimum time period as well such as "The loans must be repaid within 10 vot= es since the loan was made, or 30 days, whichever is longer" Also, I wonder as to the result of the person's total if e cannot repay bac= k 150%. If a player is at 0, requests a loan of 10, gets it and has to repa= y it back, does eir score go to -5? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Henry=20 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:36 PM Subject: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION FOR DEBATE =20=20=20=20 LOAN FROM THE RICH AND GIVE TO THE POOR In the current state of Our Nomic with the increase of new players, these= players should have at least a start toward their goal of 100 points. The = trading of points shall occur in this way: =20=20=20 Any player with a score total of less than 50 can put out a statement ask= ing if any other player wishes to loan them points.=20 =20=20=20 If a player responds yes then the two players will send a request to the = speaker saying who and how many score points. The loans can be from one (1)= to twenty (20) points. =20=20=20 If the loan is made, then the points are added to the loaned and subtract= ed from the loaner. =20=20=20 The player must pay the loaner 150% of the amount loaned. That is the amo= unt of the loan + half of the loan amount rounded up to the nearest whole n= umber.=20 =20=20=20 The loans must be repaid within 10 votes since the loan was made.=20 =20=20=20 On the Players Page on the website it must say next to the players PPs ho= w much that person needed to pay back and to whom. Example: PPs Loans 7593 Owes (#) to billy-bob-bo The person paying back the loan can divide newly received points to him a= nd the loan-e or can wait. =20=20=20 The speaker must be notified of the score changes and the # of points tha= t you do not owe anymore. COMMENTS FROM PROPOSER: This may give new players the benefit of the gene= rosity even away from the holiday season. Johnny Henry Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0D27C.F97BED40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I disagree with the portion reading "The loans must be repaid within 10 votes since the loan was=20 made" for the reason that, with a little help, 10=20 propositions that require voting can be forced through. I suggest providing= a=20 minimum time period as well such as "The loans must be repaid within 10 vot= es=20 since the loan was made, or 30 days, whichever is longer"
 
Also, I wonder as to the result of the per= son's=20 total if e cannot repay back 150%. If a player is at 0, requests a loan of = 10,=20 gets it and has to repay it back, does eir score go to -5?
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 John Henry= =20
To: on_discussion@y...= om=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:36 P= M
Subject: [on_discussion] PROPOSITI= ON FOR=20 DEBATE

 =20

LOAN FROM THE RICH AND GIVE TO THE POOR

 

In the current state of Our Nomic with the increase = of new=20 players, these players should have at least a start toward their goal of = 100=20 points. The trading of points shall occur in this way:

 

Any player with a score total of less than 50 can pu= t out a=20 statement asking if any other player wishes to loan them points. <= /P>

 

If a player responds yes then the two players will s= end a=20 request to the speaker saying who and how many score point= s.=20 The loans can be from one (1) to twenty (20) points.

 

If the loan is made, then the points are added = to the=20 loaned and subtracted from the loaner.

 

The player must pay the loaner 150% of the amount lo= aned.=20 That is the amount of the loan + half of the loan amount rounded up = to=20 the nearest whole number.

 

The loans must be repaid within 10 votes since the l= oan was=20 made. 

 

On the Players Page on the website it must say next = to the=20 players PPs how much that person needed to pay back and to whom.=20 Example:

 

PPs      Loans

 

7593    Owes (#) to billy-bob-bo=

 

The person paying back the loan can divide newly rec= eived=20 points to him and the loan-e or can wait.

 

The speaker must be notified of the score changes an= d the #=20 of points that you do not owe anymore.

 

COMMENTS FROM PROPOSER: This may give new players th= e=20 benefit of the generosity even away from the holiday season.

 

Johnny Henry



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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0D27C.F97BED40-- From kandelar@n... Tue May 01 21:46:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 04:46:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 84358 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 04:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 May 2001 04:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 04:21:27 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with SMTP id f424LQe21828 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 21:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007e01c0d2c0$19178720$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Mentoring Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:26:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" Whoops. Ignore the last. An incomplete e-mail sent to the wrong location :) -Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Risen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Mentoring > I will take your offer of mentoring, if still available. > > In addition, here is a prop I have come up with. Criticize it at will :) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fur" > To: "Nomic Discussion" > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 3:28 AM > Subject: [on_discussion] Mentoring > > > > I will gladly mentor someone........if there's anyone left to be mentored. > > > > -Jen > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From kandelar@n... Tue May 01 21:47:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 04:47:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 65255 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 04:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 May 2001 04:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 04:14:27 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with SMTP id f424EQe16321 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 21:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006a01c0d2bf$1eb5eec0$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: References: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Mentoring Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:19:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" I will take your offer of mentoring, if still available. In addition, here is a prop I have come up with. Criticize it at will :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fur" To: "Nomic Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 3:28 AM Subject: [on_discussion] Mentoring > I will gladly mentor someone........if there's anyone left to be mentored. > > -Jen > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kandelar@n... Tue May 01 22:03:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 05:03:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 27454 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 04:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 May 2001 04:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 04:36:40 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with SMTP id f424ade03928 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 21:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00ac01c0d2c2$396e6b40$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: References: <002e01c0d173$ddb8e4a0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:41:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" How is it possible for ensure that each players 'rolls' fairly? How would they provide the roll to the group? Can we have The Speaker handle the rolls and move everyone simultaneously? If we have MiniGames defined in all three sets, do we play The Board endlessly? (Let the madness stop! :) ) Players determine the symbols on the board. Is there any penalty for taking a long period of time in determining the symbol, or can we just prevent the game by not deciding? Are the 'points' discussed our Score Points or are they points having to do with the Board or the MiniGame(s)? I'm assuming that, once enough MiniGames are decided, the game will go something like this: 1. In some order, players are chosen to provide a symbol for the board until the board is complete. 2. Rolling of the die occurs and players are moved 3. If a player reaches the end, we go back to step 1, else... 4. Once players are moved, points calculated, a MiniGame is played 5. Once the MiniGame is complete, We go back to step 2 Is this roughly correct? ----- Original Message ----- From: "smartgamer" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:48 AM Subject: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 > Our Nomic is definitely slowing down. We have to make something happen. I > plan on writing the following proposition; I'm trying to find two people to > support this under "SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST." > > Next Rule: > > AND SO IT BEGINS > > Our Nomic, to this point, has been a framework- very interesting things, but > no real game driving it. This rule has been created to remedy that > situation. > > Rule text below: > > "An entity is now being defined as 'THE BOARD.' THE BOARD is a path, with an > initial length equal to five times the number of players. If all spaces on > The Board are defined, IGNORE this passage contained in stars: *Each player, > in turn, decides what symbol is next on the Board: a +, a -, an =, or a ?. > Players will be told that: Landing on a + gives you two game points and > allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are > allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is > determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal > odds.* > If there are Minigames defined in every set (see below), each player is > placed at the beginning of The Board, and rolls a die with a value of 1-5. > This player moves that number of spaces, and the event occurs such that > landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; > landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = > does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? > can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds. All players are moved > at the same time. (If choices become available in the move, then this may > change. Currently, however, movement is random, so it makes no difference.) > After players are moved and teams are formed, a Minigame is played. A > Minigame is a rule with a value ranging from 700-1000; rules within the > Minigame Range are ignored until called upon as a Minigame. When a Minigame > is needed, then a possible Minigame is randomly selected from all applicable > Minigames. This Minigame is played. If only one team has members in it, the > Minigame is from 801-900; otherwise, it's 700-800. 901-1000 is for times > when the game is One vs. The World. Minigames submitted are IMMUNE to the > "Support Your Local Lobbyist" rule, but they must be voted on. The Speaker > will file them into the correct category. ALL Minigames must alter board > positions and/or point values. After the minigame, all players roll again; > usually the 1-5 die, but minigames may adjust this. After any player reaches > the end of The Board, e wins 10 points and a new Board is formed as per the > directions in stars, above." > > This should give us a real Game, now! > Note that this rule only has meaning after minigames exist. > Also note the low value of getting there first. This is due to the fact that > it's currently pure luck in the movement; the Minigames are where the fun is > all at ;-) ! > --Adam Norberg > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From djacobs@n... Wed May 02 04:10:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 11:10:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 3514 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 11:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 May 2001 11:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 11:10:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 24548 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 11:10:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.148) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 2 May 2001 11:10:58 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010502071059.007aec60@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:10:59 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 In-Reply-To: <00ac01c0d2c2$396e6b40$fb00a8c0@kandelar> References: <002e01c0d173$ddb8e4a0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Mark, there are several dice rolling sites... the one we use, rolls dice for each player we assign, and mails the results back to me, it also keeps a record of the roll for like 30 days in case there's a question about it.... this could be used for player rolls (1d5), team assignments (1d3) etc... However, this rule would require almost as much 'paperwork' as nomic itself, so if this were to go into effect we would need someone assigned as game master to take care of this sub game, perhaps AdamN, the author of said rule.... e would handle all aspects of the subgame, keeping detailed records to be provided to the speaker in case there is a call for judgement. E would report score changes to the speaker for posting on the website. E would also keep track of player position and come up with a graphical representation of the board showing player position to post to the web site each time there is movement making it an easy reference for everyone. At 09:41 PM 5/1/01 -0700, you wrote: >>>> How is it possible for ensure that each players 'rolls' fairly? How would they provide the roll to the group? Can we have The Speaker handle the rolls and move everyone simultaneously? If we have MiniGames defined in all three sets, do we play The Board endlessly? (Let the madness stop! :) ) Players determine the symbols on the board. Is there any penalty for taking a long period of time in determining the symbol, or can we just prevent the game by not deciding? Are the 'points' discussed our Score Points or are they points having to do with the Board or the MiniGame(s)? . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From sgamer@s... Wed May 02 05:40:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 12:40:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 3211 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 12:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 May 2001 12:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 12:39:24 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GCP00KZAKCB10@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 2 May 2001 07:36:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:39:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <001001c0d304$fa323c20$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: <002e01c0d173$ddb8e4a0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> <00ac01c0d2c2$396e6b40$fb00a8c0@kandelar> X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer The entire point is that the Board is endless. And they are standard game points; however, some Minigames may instead have Coinz as their items. Your flowchart's right, actually. C'mon, let's see some opinions here! --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Risen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 > How is it possible for ensure that each players 'rolls' fairly? How would > they provide the roll to the group? Can we have The Speaker handle the rolls > and move everyone simultaneously? > > If we have MiniGames defined in all three sets, do we play The Board > endlessly? (Let the madness stop! :) ) > > Players determine the symbols on the board. Is there any penalty for taking > a long period of time in determining the symbol, or can we just prevent the > game by not deciding? > > Are the 'points' discussed our Score Points or are they points having to do > with the Board or the MiniGame(s)? > > I'm assuming that, once enough MiniGames are decided, the game will go > something like this: > 1. In some order, players are chosen to provide a symbol for the board > until the board is complete. > 2. Rolling of the die occurs and players are moved > 3. If a player reaches the end, we go back to step 1, else... > 4. Once players are moved, points calculated, a MiniGame is played > 5. Once the MiniGame is complete, We go back to step 2 > Is this roughly correct? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "smartgamer" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:48 AM > Subject: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 > > > > Our Nomic is definitely slowing down. We have to make something happen. I > > plan on writing the following proposition; I'm trying to find two people > to > > support this under "SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST." > > > > Next Rule: > > > > AND SO IT BEGINS > > > > Our Nomic, to this point, has been a framework- very interesting things, > but > > no real game driving it. This rule has been created to remedy that > > situation. > > > > Rule text below: > > > > "An entity is now being defined as 'THE BOARD.' THE BOARD is a path, with > an > > initial length equal to five times the number of players. If all spaces on > > The Board are defined, IGNORE this passage contained in stars: *Each > player, > > in turn, decides what symbol is next on the Board: a +, a -, an =, or a ?. > > Players will be told that: Landing on a + gives you two game points and > > allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are > > allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance > is > > determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal > > odds.* > > If there are Minigames defined in every set (see below), each player is > > placed at the beginning of The Board, and rolls a die with a value of 1-5. > > This player moves that number of spaces, and the event occurs such that > > landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; > > landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = > > does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? > > can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds. All players are moved > > at the same time. (If choices become available in the move, then this may > > change. Currently, however, movement is random, so it makes no > difference.) > > After players are moved and teams are formed, a Minigame is played. A > > Minigame is a rule with a value ranging from 700-1000; rules within the > > Minigame Range are ignored until called upon as a Minigame. When a > Minigame > > is needed, then a possible Minigame is randomly selected from all > applicable > > Minigames. This Minigame is played. If only one team has members in it, > the > > Minigame is from 801-900; otherwise, it's 700-800. 901-1000 is for times > > when the game is One vs. The World. Minigames submitted are IMMUNE to the > > "Support Your Local Lobbyist" rule, but they must be voted on. The Speaker > > will file them into the correct category. ALL Minigames must alter board > > positions and/or point values. After the minigame, all players roll again; > > usually the 1-5 die, but minigames may adjust this. After any player > reaches > > the end of The Board, e wins 10 points and a new Board is formed as per > the > > directions in stars, above." > > > > This should give us a real Game, now! > > Note that this rule only has meaning after minigames exist. > > Also note the low value of getting there first. This is due to the fact > that > > it's currently pure luck in the movement; the Minigames are where the fun > is > > all at ;-) ! > > --Adam Norberg > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From sgamer@s... Wed May 02 05:54:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 12:54:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 31931 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 12:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 May 2001 12:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 12:52:53 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GCP00KOTKY80J@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 2 May 2001 07:49:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:52:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <002a01c0d306$d061aaa0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: <002e01c0d173$ddb8e4a0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> <3.0.2.32.20010502071059.007aec60@a...> X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer That's perfectly fine with me. I have probably one of the best art programs on the planet (And it's freeware! www.gimp.org) so I can render a pretty-looking board, and do a separate piece layer so it's easy to move them. The only webspace I have is occupied, however, by a brain puzzles contest I'm running for another site, and I have one more Free Webspace thing from my PDA company- but it's for a PDA fan site only... --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message ----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 Mark, there are several dice rolling sites... the one we use, rolls dice for each player we assign, and mails the results back to me, it also keeps a record of the roll for like 30 days in case there's a question about it.... this could be used for player rolls (1d5), team assignments (1d3) etc... However, this rule would require almost as much 'paperwork' as nomic itself, so if this were to go into effect we would need someone assigned as game master to take care of this sub game, perhaps AdamN, the author of said rule.... e would handle all aspects of the subgame, keeping detailed records to be provided to the speaker in case there is a call for judgement. E would report score changes to the speaker for posting on the website. E would also keep track of player position and come up with a graphical representation of the board showing player position to post to the web site each time there is movement making it an easy reference for everyone. At 09:41 PM 5/1/01 -0700, you wrote: >>>> How is it possible for ensure that each players 'rolls' fairly? How would they provide the roll to the group? Can we have The Speaker handle the rolls and move everyone simultaneously? If we have MiniGames defined in all three sets, do we play The Board endlessly? (Let the madness stop! :) ) Players determine the symbols on the board. Is there any penalty for taking a long period of time in determining the symbol, or can we just prevent the game by not deciding? Are the 'points' discussed our Score Points or are they points having to do with the Board or the MiniGame(s)? . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From falcon.arendell@w... Wed May 02 06:43:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: falcon.arendell@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 13:43:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 26692 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 13:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 May 2001 13:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pmesmtp01.wcom.com) (199.249.20.1) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 13:42:40 -0000 Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GCP00AHNNDTXN@f...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 2 May 2001 13:41:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GCP00H01NDEVR@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 May 2001 13:41:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cay60966 ([166.44.64.125]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GCP00EFHNDCY3@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 May 2001 13:41:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:41:34 -0400 Subject: RE: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 In-reply-to: <002e01c0d173$ddb8e4a0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <003d01c0d30d$9b33e940$7d402ca6@cay60966> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: Falcon Arendell I agree, in spirit, that there should be some form of centralized game within Our Nomic. However, within the spirit of Nomic, perhaps it would be better approached by piece parts. On so central a framework, the more complex it is, the more likely it is that others will find fault with some part of it and vote it out. I think that creating a board and an area to create rules for the board would be a great first step. That's my two cents. __________________________________ Falcon Arendell Founder of the Apathist Party falcon@2... "The clock on the Hudson City Savings Bank billboard says 6:30, indicating nothing but the hands' exhaustion" M. Leyner -----Original Message----- From: smartgamer [mailto:sgamer@s...] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:49 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 Our Nomic is definitely slowing down. We have to make something happen. I plan on writing the following proposition; I'm trying to find two people to support this under "SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST." Next Rule: AND SO IT BEGINS Our Nomic, to this point, has been a framework- very interesting things, but no real game driving it. This rule has been created to remedy that situation. Rule text below: "An entity is now being defined as 'THE BOARD.' THE BOARD is a path, with an initial length equal to five times the number of players. If all spaces on The Board are defined, IGNORE this passage contained in stars: *Each player, in turn, decides what symbol is next on the Board: a +, a -, an =, or a ?. Players will be told that: Landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds.* If there are Minigames defined in every set (see below), each player is placed at the beginning of The Board, and rolls a die with a value of 1-5. This player moves that number of spaces, and the event occurs such that landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds. All players are moved at the same time. (If choices become available in the move, then this may change. Currently, however, movement is random, so it makes no difference.) After players are moved and teams are formed, a Minigame is played. A Minigame is a rule with a value ranging from 700-1000; rules within the Minigame Range are ignored until called upon as a Minigame. When a Minigame is needed, then a possible Minigame is randomly selected from all applicable Minigames. This Minigame is played. If only one team has members in it, the Minigame is from 801-900; otherwise, it's 700-800. 901-1000 is for times when the game is One vs. The World. Minigames submitted are IMMUNE to the "Support Your Local Lobbyist" rule, but they must be voted on. The Speaker will file them into the correct category. ALL Minigames must alter board positions and/or point values. After the minigame, all players roll again; usually the 1-5 die, but minigames may adjust this. After any player reaches the end of The Board, e wins 10 points and a new Board is formed as per the directions in stars, above." This should give us a real Game, now! Note that this rule only has meaning after minigames exist. Also note the low value of getting there first. This is due to the fact that it's currently pure luck in the movement; the Minigames are where the fun is all at ;-) ! --Adam Norberg To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From falcon.arendell@w... Wed May 02 06:56:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: falcon.arendell@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 13:56:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 55454 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 13:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 May 2001 13:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pmesmtp01.wcom.com) (199.249.20.1) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 13:53:07 -0000 Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GCP00FQJNT4BW@f...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 2 May 2001 13:51:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GCP00001NSZAN@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 May 2001 13:51:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cay60966 ([166.44.64.125]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GCP00LJENSL1B@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 May 2001 13:50:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:50:44 -0400 Subject: FW: An Ounce of Prevention To: "NOMIC (E-mail)" Message-id: <004301c0d30e$e2ed0180$7d402ca6@cay60966> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GNrr+vOvCe7xngug/uSYAg)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: Falcon Arendell --Boundary_(ID_GNrr+vOvCe7xngug/uSYAg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I would love to hear any comments has, positive or negative regarding this Proposition. To me it seems to be a hole (albeit a small one) in the existing rules that we should cap before it ever becomes an issue. -----Original Message----- From: Falcon Arendell [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 2:18 PM To: NOMIC (E-mail) Subject: An Ounce of Prevention PROPOSITION (FMAPROP1) FOR DEBATE Baby Please Don=92t Go! If at any time the Speaker leaves the game, a new Speaker must be named using the following process: 1. The position is offered to the Active Voter with the highest Prestige Points. This should be the person most active in the game. 2. Any Voter has the option of turning down the position of Speaker. 3. Any Voter turning down the position of Speaker shall have their Prestige Point total adjusted to equal one (1) less than the next highest total. 4. If all Active Voters turn down the position of Speaker (or there are no Active Voters) the position will be given to the Voter with the highest Point Total. This person may not turn down the position. ____________________________ Falcon Arendell General Manager Raleigh's Village Idiots www.idiots.net "If you pet a wasp, it will sting you" LEM --Boundary_(ID_GNrr+vOvCe7xngug/uSYAg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

I wo= uld love to hear any comments has, positive or negative regarding this Proposit= ion.  To me it seems to be a hole (albe= it a small one) in the existing rules that we should cap before it ever becomes = an issue.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Falcon Arendell [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...]
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001= 2:18 PM
To: NOMIC (E-mail)
Subject: An Ounce of Prevent= ion

 =

PROPOSITION (FMAPROP1) FOR DEBATE<= o:p>

Baby Please Don’t Go!

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If at any time the Speaker leaves the game, a new Speaker must be na= med using the following process:

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  1. The position is offered to the Active Voter with the highest Prestige Points.  This should be = the person most active in the game.
  2. Any Voter has the option of turning down the position of Speaker.
  3. Any Voter turning down the position of Speaker shall have their Prestige P= oint total adjusted to equal one (1) less than the next highest total.=
  4. If all Active Voters turn down the position of Speaker (or there are no Active Voters) the position will be given to the Voter with the highes= t Point Total.  This perso= n may not turn down the position.

 <= /span>

 <= /span>

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____________________________

Falcon Arendell

General Manager

Raleigh's Village Idiots

www.idiots.net

 

"If you pet a wasp, it will sti= ng you"

LEM

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--Boundary_(ID_GNrr+vOvCe7xngug/uSYAg)-- From kandelar@n... Wed May 02 08:22:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 15:22:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 893 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 15:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 May 2001 15:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 15:08:00 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with SMTP id f42F7we22664 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 08:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00c801c0d31a$696c75a0$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: References: <004301c0d30e$e2ed0180$7d402ca6@cay60966> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] FW: An Ounce of Prevention Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:13:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C0D2DF.BCCA7A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C0D2DF.BCCA7A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree that there is a hole and this prop makes a good try at filling it. One thing I see, however is that you can gain PPs by turning down the posit= ion. For example. Players A, B, C, and D have PPs of 200, 100, 50, and 0 respect= ively Player A turns down the role and is lowered to 99 (I think, or maybe it cou= ld be 199, since 200 is the highest) Player B turns down the role and is lowered to 98 Player C turns down the role and is raised to 98 Player D turns down the role and is raised to 98 Player A is forced to occupy the role as speaker... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Falcon Arendell=20 To: NOMIC (E-mail)=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:50 AM Subject: [on_discussion] FW: An Ounce of Prevention I would love to hear any comments has, positive or negative regarding thi= s Proposition. To me it seems to be a hole (albeit a small one) in the exi= sting rules that we should cap before it ever becomes an issue. =20=20=20 -----Original Message----- From: Falcon Arendell [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 2:18 PM To: NOMIC (E-mail) Subject: An Ounce of Prevention =20=20=20 PROPOSITION (FMAPROP1) FOR DEBATE Baby Please Don't Go! =20=20=20 If at any time the Speaker leaves the game, a new Speaker must be named u= sing the following process: =20=20=20 1.. The position is offered to the Active Voter with the highest Presti= ge Points. This should be the person most active in the game.=20 2.. Any Voter has the option of turning down the position of Speaker.=20 3.. Any Voter turning down the position of Speaker shall have their Pre= stige Point total adjusted to equal one (1) less than the next highest tota= l.=20 4.. If all Active Voters turn down the position of Speaker (or there ar= e no Active Voters) the position will be given to the Voter with the highes= t Point Total. This person may not turn down the position.=20 =20=20=20 =20=20=20 =20=20=20 ____________________________ Falcon Arendell General Manager Raleigh's Village Idiots www.idiots.net =20=20=20 "If you pet a wasp, it will sting you" LEM =20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C0D2DF.BCCA7A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree that there is a hole and this prop= makes a=20 good try at filling it.
 
One thing I see, however is that you can g= ain PPs=20 by turning down the position.
 
For example. Players A, B, C, and D have P= Ps of=20 200, 100, 50, and 0 respectively
Player A turns down the role and is lowere= d to 99=20 (I think, or maybe it could be 199, since 200 is the highest)
Player B turns down the role and is lowere= d to=20 98
Player C turns down the role and is raised= to=20 98
Player D turns down the role and is raised= to=20 98
Player A is forced to occupy  the rol= e as=20 speaker...
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Falcon Arendell
To: NOMIC (E-mail)
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:50= =20 AM
Subject: [on_discussion] FW: An Ou= nce of=20 Prevention

I=20 would love to hear any comments has, positive or negative regarding this= =20 Proposition.  To me it seem= s to be=20 a hole (albeit a small one) in the existing rules that we should cap befo= re it=20 ever becomes an issue.

 =

-----Origina= l=20 Message-----
From: Fal= con=20 Arendell [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...]
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 2:18= =20 PM
To: NOMIC=20 (E-mail)
Subject: An O= unce of=20 Prevention

 =

PROPOSITION (FMAPRO= P1) FOR=20 DEBATE

Baby=20 Please Don’t Go!

 =

If at=20 any time the Speaker leaves the game, a new Speaker must be named using t= he=20 following process:

 =

  1. = The=20 position is offered to the Active Voter with the highest Prestige=20 Points.  This should be t= he=20 person most active in the game.=20
  2. = Any=20 Voter has the option of turning down the position of=20 Speaker.=20
  3. = Any=20 Voter turning down the position of Speaker shall have their Prestige Po= int=20 total adjusted to equal one (1) less than the next highest=20 total.=20
  4. = If=20 all Active Voters turn down the position of Speaker (or there are no Ac= tive=20 Voters) the position will be given to the Voter with the highest Point= =20 Total.  This person may n= ot turn=20 down the position.

 =

 =

 =

____________________________

Falcon Arendell

General Manager

Raleigh's Village=20 Idiots

www.idiots.net

 

"If you pet a wasp, it will sting= =20 you"

LEM

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------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C0D2DF.BCCA7A20-- From sgamer@s... Wed May 02 08:43:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 15:43:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 29849 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 15:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 May 2001 15:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.28) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 15:21:04 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GCP00LB9R7OMW@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 2 May 2001 10:04:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:05:46 -0500 Subject: The Board (Attatched!) To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <001601c0d319$5e4b2500$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0D2EF.751067C0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0D2EF.751067C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Attatched: boardback.gif, valueMINUS.gif, valuePLUS.gif, valueRANDOM.gif, valueZILCH.gif. These are the images I will use for the board- boardback is just the background (will have our Nomic's name on it when the NTF finishes), the value images are the spaces that will be assembled- lose 3, gain 3, random, nothing, in that order from my top list. Your playing pieces will be one character in the Wingdings font, your choice of shape and color. Let me know! --Adam Norberg ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0D2EF.751067C0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="valuePLUS.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="valuePLUS.gif" [Attachment content not displayed.] ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0D2EF.751067C0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="valueMINUS.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="valueMINUS.gif" [Attachment content not displayed.] ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0D2EF.751067C0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="boardback.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="boardback.gif" [Attachment content not displayed.] ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0D2EF.751067C0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="valueRANDOM.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="valueRANDOM.gif" [Attachment content not displayed.] ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0D2EF.751067C0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="valueZILCH.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="valueZILCH.gif" [Attachment content not displayed.] ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0D2EF.751067C0-- From sgamer@s... Wed May 02 09:18:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 16:18:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 90313 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 15:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 May 2001 15:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.28) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 15:53:42 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GCP008LQSQ4DS@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 2 May 2001 10:37:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:38:26 -0500 Subject: The Board To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <002e01c0d31d$ee209940$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer Head to the FILES section of http://groups.yahoo.com, after clicking on the on_discussion link. I put in the board's files there. Playing pieces aren't shown because your piece is just going to be a character in the standard Wingdings font. (Send me an HTML email with the piece you want- HTML preserves fonts, so it's easy for me to know.) Any color. But check out the neat board background, and the Give, Take, Random, and Nothing spaces- I made a Board folder. Check it out... --Adam Norberg From falcon.arendell@w... Wed May 02 09:38:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: falcon.arendell@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 2 May 2001 16:38:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 27253 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 16:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 May 2001 16:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dgesmtp01.wcom.com) (199.249.16.16) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 16:10:52 -0000 Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GCP00DQ1U9CO8@f...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 2 May 2001 16:10:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GCP00601U94W1@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 May 2001 16:10:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cay60966 ([166.44.64.125]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GCP0062TU8RGG@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 02 May 2001 16:10:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:10:02 -0400 Subject: RE: [on_discussion] FW: An Ounce of Prevention In-reply-to: <00c801c0d31a$696c75a0$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <007201c0d322$58beec30$7d402ca6@cay60966> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_AdNMRq5MSmFAhedtxoOx2w)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: Falcon Arendell --Boundary_(ID_AdNMRq5MSmFAhedtxoOx2w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Actually, if Player B turns it down, the offer reverts to Player A (who is now at 99, one less than the =93next highest total=94). Under the current method, it would then fluctuate between A and B until they were both below C. Put this way, it is more awkward than I first envisioned. Nobody would be able to gain PPs, but the transition could be made smoother. According to the 4th point, A would only be forced to take the position if A had the most =93Points=94 (not PPs). A would of course have the option then of resigning. Of course, if things got to that point, I think that game would have a lot more serious issues. Thank you for your feedback. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Risen [mailto:kandelar@n...] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:13 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] FW: An Ounce of Prevention I agree that there is a hole and this prop makes a good try at filling it. One thing I see, however is that you can gain PPs by turning down the position. For example. Players A, B, C, and D have PPs of 200, 100, 50, and 0 respectively Player A turns down the role and is lowered to 99 (I think, or maybe it could be 199, since 200 is the highest) Player B turns down the role and is lowered to 98 Player C turns down the role and is raised to 98 Player D turns down the role and is raised to 98 Player A is forced to occupy the role as speaker... ----- Original Message ----- From: Falcon Arendell To: NOMIC (E-mail) Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:50 AM Subject: [on_discussion] FW: An Ounce of Prevention I would love to hear any comments has, positive or negative regarding this Proposition. To me it seems to be a hole (albeit a small one) in the existing rules that we should cap before it ever becomes an issue. -----Original Message----- From: Falcon Arendell [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 2:18 PM To: NOMIC (E-mail) Subject: An Ounce of Prevention PROPOSITION (FMAPROP1) FOR DEBATE Baby Please Don=92t Go! If at any time the Speaker leaves the game, a new Speaker must be named using the following process: 1. The position is offered to the Active Voter with the highest Prestige Points. This should be the person most active in the game. 2. Any Voter has the option of turning down the position of Speaker. 3. Any Voter turning down the position of Speaker shall have their Prestige Point total adjusted to equal one (1) less than the next highest total. 4. If all Active Voters turn down the position of Speaker (or there are no Active Voters) the position will be given to the Voter with the highest Point Total. This person may not turn down the position. ____________________________ Falcon Arendell General Manager Raleigh's Village Idiots www.idiots.net "If you pet a wasp, it will sting you" LEM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . Yahoo! 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Actually, if Player B turns it down, the offer reverts to Player A (= who is now at 99, one less than the “next highest total”).  Under the current method, it woul= d then fluctuate between A and B until they were both below C.  Put this way, it is more awkward = than I first envisioned.  Nobody wou= ld be able to gain PPs, but the transition could be made smoother.  According to the 4th p= oint, A would only be forced to take the position if A had the most “Points= ” (not PPs).  A would of course have= the option then of resigning.  Of course, if things got to that point, I think that game would have a lot mor= e serious issues.  Thank you fo= r your feedback.

 <= /span>

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Risen [mailto:kandelar@n...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 200= 1 11:13 AM
To: on_discussion@yahoogroup= s.com
Subject: Re: [on_discussion]= FW: An Ounce of Prevention

 <= /o:p>

I agree that there is a hole and this prop makes a good try at filling it.

 = ;

One thing I see, however is that you can gain PPs by turning down the position.=

 = ;

For example. Players A, B, C, and D have PPs of 200, 100, 50, and 0 respectively

Player A turns down the role and is lowered to 99 (I think, or maybe it could be 1= 99, since 200 is the highest)

Player B turns down the role and is lowered to 98

Player C turns down the role and is raised to 98=

Player D turns down the role and is raised to 98=

Player A is forced to occupy  the role as speaker...

----- Original Message -----

To: NOMIC (E-mail)

Sent: Wednesday, May 02= , 2001 6:50 AM

Subject: [on_discussion] FW: An Ounce of Prevention

 

I would love to hear an= y comments has, positive or negative regarding this Proposition.  To me it seems to be a hole (albe= it a small one) in the existing rules that we should cap before it ever becomes = an issue.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Falcon Arendell [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...]
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001= 2:18 PM
To: NOMIC (E-mail)
Subject: An Ounce of Prevent= ion

 

PROPOSITION (FMAPROP1) FOR DEBATE

Baby Please Don’t= Go!

 

If at any time the Spea= ker leaves the game, a new Speaker must be named using the following process:

 

1. = ;   The position is offered to the Active Voter with = the highest Prestige Points.  Thi= s should be the person most active in the game.

2. = ;   Any Voter has the option of turning down the posi= tion of Speaker.

3. = ;   Any Voter turning down the position of Speaker sh= all have their Prestige Point total adjusted to equal one (1) less than the nex= t highest total.

4. = ;   If all Active Voters turn down the position of Speaker (or there are no Active Voters) the position will be given to the V= oter with the highest Point Total.  This person may not turn down the position.

 

 

 

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--Boundary_(ID_AdNMRq5MSmFAhedtxoOx2w)-- From on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Wed May 02 18:34:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76255 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 00:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 May 2001 00:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ef.egroups.com) (10.1.2.111) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 May 2001 00:29:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.125] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2001 15:23:23 -0000 Date: 2 May 2001 15:23:21 -0000 Message-ID: <988817001.8943.11893.q4@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to on_discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the on_discussion group. File : /Board/boardback.gif Uploaded by : sgamer@s... Description : The proposed board background pattern. When the NTF finishes, our Nomic's name will be there. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/on_discussion/files/Board/boardback.gif To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, sgamer@s... From on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Wed May 02 18:34:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76445 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 00:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 May 2001 00:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ef.egroups.com) (10.1.2.111) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 May 2001 00:29:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.125] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2001 15:24:14 -0000 Date: 2 May 2001 15:24:13 -0000 Message-ID: <988817053.89.12093.q4@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to on_discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the on_discussion group. File : /Board/valueMINUS.gif Uploaded by : sgamer@s... Description : Lose three points. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/on_discussion/files/Board/valueMINUS.gif To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, sgamer@s... From kandelar@n... Wed May 02 20:39:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 3 May 2001 03:39:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 44082 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 02:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 May 2001 02:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 May 2001 02:52:30 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with SMTP id f432qTW05998 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 19:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00e401c0d37c$d33a6980$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: References: <002e01c0d31d$ee209940$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] The Board Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:57:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" I like the board and symbols. ----- Original Message ----- From: "smartgamer" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:38 AM Subject: [on_discussion] The Board > Head to the FILES section of http://groups.yahoo.com, after clicking on the > on_discussion link. I put in the board's files there. Playing pieces aren't > shown because your piece is just going to be a character in the standard > Wingdings font. (Send me an HTML email with the piece you want- HTML > preserves fonts, so it's easy for me to know.) Any color. But check out the > neat board background, and the Give, Take, Random, and Nothing spaces- I > made a Board folder. Check it out... > > --Adam Norberg > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From brian_lord@i... Wed May 02 20:42:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Brian_Lord@i... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 3 May 2001 03:42:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 28245 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 03:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 May 2001 03:03:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO isserv9.idx.com) (198.181.234.35) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 May 2001 03:03:21 -0000 Received: by isserv9.idx.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 85256A41.000B1D8B ; Wed, 2 May 2001 22:01:24 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IDX1 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256A41.000B1C17.00@i...> Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:01:37 -0400 Subject: Brian Lord/BOSTON/IDX1 is out of the office. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: brian_lord@i... To: on_discussion I will be out of the office starting 05/02/2001 and will not return until 05/14/2001. I will respond to your message when I return on May 14th From djacobs@n... Wed May 02 20:52:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 3 May 2001 03:52:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 78568 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 03:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 May 2001 03:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 May 2001 03:19:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 12798 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 03:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.168) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 3 May 2001 03:20:01 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010502232236.007db240@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:22:36 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: OFFICIAL NOMIC UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [5/2/01] Incoming Recruitment: Falcon has recruited Jaimss Carpenter, Callie Hammond, and Brian Lord, but has not participated in 6 consecutive votes. Chuck has recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth, 5 votes remain. New Player Registration: Mark Risen. Falcon Arendell. Adam Hrankowski. Brian Lord. Callie Hammond. Jaimss Carpenter. Jeffrey Ellsworth. Jen Henry is now Mark Risen's mentor. Jen Henry is now Callie Hammond's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Falcon Arendell's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Adam Hrankowski's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Brian Lord's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Jaimss Carpenter's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentor. Mentoring: Mark Risen's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Callie Hammond's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Falcon Arendell's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Adam Hrankowski's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Brian Lord's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jaimss Carpenter's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Player Status Changes: Kip Martin has removed himself from the game. PPs Awards: AdamH +10 Joined game in progress Falcon +10 Joined game in progress Brian +10 Joined game in progress Callie +10 Joined game in progress Jaimss +10 Joined game in progress Jeffrey +10 Joined game in progress Mark +10 Joined game in progress Chuck +15 For going above and beyond the call of duty (*309) and holding a mini-orientation class for all the newcomers, and for drumming up all the business in the first place! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From djacobs@n... Wed May 02 21:39:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 3 May 2001 04:39:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 57000 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 03:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 May 2001 03:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 May 2001 03:52:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 3684 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 03:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.168) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 3 May 2001 03:53:15 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010502235558.007fcea0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 23:55:58 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: OFFICIAL NOMIC UPDATE (try again...) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [5/2/01] Incoming Recruitment: Falcon has recruited Jaimss Carpenter, Callie Hammond, and Brian Lord, but has not participated in 6 consecutive votes. Chuck has recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth, 5 votes remain. New Player Registration: Mark Risen. Falcon Arendell. Adam Hrankowski. Brian Lord. Callie Hammond. Jaimss Carpenter. Jeffrey Ellsworth. Jen Henry is now Mark Risen's mentor. Jen Henry is now Callie Hammond's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Falcon Arendell's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Adam Hrankowski's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Brian Lord's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Jaimss Carpenter's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentor. Mentoring: Mark Risen's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Callie Hammond's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Falcon Arendell's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Adam Hrankowski's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Brian Lord's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jaimss Carpenter's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Player Status Changes: Kip Martin has removed himself from the game. PPs Awards: AdamH +10 Joined game in progress Falcon +10 Joined game in progress Brian +10 Joined game in progress Callie +10 Joined game in progress Jaimss +10 Joined game in progress Jeffrey +10 Joined game in progress Mark +10 Joined game in progress Chuck +15 For going above and beyond the call of duty (*309) and holding a mini-orientation class for all the newcomers, and for drumming up all the business in the first place! -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A god of iron and machines, work, war and death. A blacksmith, a soldier, a politician. The civilizer, the one who clears the way through the wilderness with his ever-present machete. Ogum watches over me with sleepless eyes, protecting and guiding me through the wilderness of this reality. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From brian_lord@i... Wed May 02 21:51:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Brian_Lord@i... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 3 May 2001 04:51:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 44225 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 04:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 May 2001 04:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO isserv9.idx.com) (198.181.234.35) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 May 2001 04:16:43 -0000 Received: by isserv9.idx.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 85256A41.001776B9 ; Thu, 3 May 2001 00:16:17 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IDX1 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256A41.00177566.00@i...> Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 00:16:30 -0400 Subject: Brian Lord/BOSTON/IDX1 is out of the office. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline From: brian_lord@i... To: on_discussion I will be out of the office starting 05/02/2001 and will not return until 05/14/2001. I will respond to your message when I return on May 14th From sgamer@s... Thu May 03 14:14:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 3 May 2001 21:14:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 81872 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 21:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 May 2001 21:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.28) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 May 2001 21:13:31 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GCS00ADV2PCHV@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 3 May 2001 16:08:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:08:49 -0500 Subject: ABNPROP2 Submission for Vote To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <003d01c0d415$40321680$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer I just realised that since I put it up for debate, I get to ignore "Support your Local Lobbyist." My rule, copied here again, is officially submitted for voting, Mr. Speaker + Grand Silly Kniggt, Sir Devon Jacobs! ---Adam Norberg AND SO IT BEGINS: BATTLEBOARD "An entity is now being defined as 'THE BOARD.' THE BOARD is a path, with an initial length equal to five times the number of players. If all spaces on The Board are defined, IGNORE this passage contained in stars: *Each player, in turn, decides what symbol is next on the Board: a +, a -, an =, or a ?. Players will be told that: Landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds.* If there are Minigames defined in every set (see below), each player is placed at the beginning of The Board, and rolls a die with a value of 1-5. This player moves that number of spaces, and the event occurs such that landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds. All players are moved at the same time. (If choices become available in the move, then this may change. Currently, however, movement is random, so it makes no difference.) After players are moved and teams are formed, a Minigame is played. A Minigame is a rule with a value ranging from 700-1000; rules within the Minigame Range are ignored until called upon as a Minigame. When a Minigame is needed, then a possible Minigame is randomly selected from all applicable Minigames. This Minigame is played. If only one team has members in it, the Minigame is from 801-900; otherwise, it's 700-800. 901-1000 is for times when the game is One vs. The World. Minigames submitted are IMMUNE to the "Support Your Local Lobbyist" rule, but they must be voted on. The Speaker will file them into the correct category. ALL Minigames must alter board positions and/or point values. After the minigame, all players roll again; usually the 1-5 die, but minigames may adjust this. After any player reaches the end of The Board, e wins 10 points and a new Board is formed as per the directions in stars, above." From djacobs@n... Fri May 04 13:06:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 4 May 2001 20:06:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 40622 invoked from network); 4 May 2001 20:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 May 2001 20:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 May 2001 20:06:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 18051 invoked from network); 4 May 2001 20:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (209.2.153.142) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 4 May 2001 20:07:09 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010504155854.00804aa0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:58:54 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 Submission for Vote In-Reply-To: <003d01c0d415$40321680$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} hi everybody... in the future, please submit formal props for final vote directly to the speaker at djacobs@n... thanks At 04:08 PM 5/3/01 -0500, you wrote: >>>> I just realised that since I put it up for debate, I get to ignore "Support your Local Lobbyist." My rule, copied here again, is officially submitted for voting, Mr. Speaker + Grand Silly Kniggt, Sir Devon Jacobs! ---Adam Norberg AND SO IT BEGINS: BATTLEBOARD "An entity is now being defined as 'THE BOARD.' THE BOARD is a path, with an initial length equal to five times the number of players. If all spaces on The Board are defined, IGNORE this passage contained in stars: *Each player, in turn, decides what symbol is next on the Board: a +, a -, an =, or a ?. Players will be told that: Landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds.* If there are Minigames defined in every set (see below), each player is placed at the beginning of The Board, and rolls a die with a value of 1-5. This player moves that number of spaces, and the event occurs such that landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds. All players are moved at the same time. (If choices become available in the move, then this may change. Currently, however, movement is random, so it makes no difference.) After players are moved and teams are formed, a Minigame is played. A Minigame is a rule with a value ranging from 700-1000; rules within the Minigame Range are ignored until called upon as a Minigame. When a Minigame is needed, then a possible Minigame is randomly selected from all applicable Minigames. This Minigame is played. If only one team has members in it, the Minigame is from 801-900; otherwise, it's 700-800. 901-1000 is for times when the game is One vs. The World. Minigames submitted are IMMUNE to the "Support Your Local Lobbyist" rule, but they must be voted on. The Speaker will file them into the correct category. ALL Minigames must alter board positions and/or point values. After the minigame, all players roll again; usually the 1-5 die, but minigames may adjust this. After any player reaches the end of The Board, e wins 10 points and a new Board is formed as per the directions in stars, above."
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<Ebates: Click here for cash back at 400+ stores! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the <Yahoo! Terms of Service. <<<<<<<< . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From fur@w... Fri May 04 16:06:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fur@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 4 May 2001 23:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 8046 invoked from network); 4 May 2001 23:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 May 2001 23:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 May 2001 23:06:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 23026 invoked from network); 4 May 2001 23:06:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.36.79) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 4 May 2001 23:06:49 -0000 To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] Proposal Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 19:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005f01c0d176$f5f9aa60$34a3d6d1@ceo> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Fur" Joel, Are you going to submit this as a proposal? I think its awesome and I would love to play. If you need letters of support I will gladly support you. -Jen -----Original Message----- From: JRicker [mailto:joejava@d...] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:11 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] Proposal I propose the following rule under SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL LOBBYIST. "Ye Olde Rusty Lantern" (a storytelling game) [Synopsis: the players (called Bards) are dealt a hand of cards. Each card bears a word or phrase describing a possible story element. The Bards take turns telling parts of a tale, playing cards by bringing the corresponding story elements into the yarn. When a Bard finishes the story by tying off all the loose ends and playing eir last card, e wins.] Equipment: some cards (to be provided by the Barkeep) Ale (generated as needed) a solid wooden table and benches The Barkeep The Barkeep is the person who started the game. At the beginning of the tale, the Barkeep shall announce the number of benches and the names of the Bards who will start the tale. (The Barkeep is considered the referee of the game.) Bards The Barkeep may not be a Bard. Anyone else may join (becoming a Bard) at any time, unless there are already as many players as benches. Any Bard may leave at any time. If it is a Bard's turn when e leaves, e is considered to have passed. The Bards are all imagined to sit around a table in the Barkeep's tavern, so whenever someone joins, the Barkeep shall choose a place around the table for em to sit. There must be at least two Bards for a tale to proceed, and no more Bards than benches; any time this is not the case for a particular instance of Ye Olde Rusty Lantern, that tale is suspended until the requirements are both met. (In the meantime, Bards are free to join or leave, but no cards may be played.) Cards The Barkeep shall privately make (or obtain) a long list of story elements before starting the game. Each story element is represented by one card. During the game, each card is either in the deck, held by one of the Bards, on the table, or burned. They all start out in the deck. The Barkeep keeps track of the cards. Each time the Barkeep posts a public update of the game, he should post the number of cards held by each Bard (but not which cards are held by whom), list the cards lying on the table, and tell whose turn it is. Each Bard receives seven cards upon joining, unless the Barkeep specified an alternate number at the start of the game. When a Bard leaves, eir cards return to the deck. When a Bard receives cards, the Barkeep chooses them randomly from the deck and sends them to that Bard via private mail. If there are not enough cards in the deck, the Barkeep shall either end the tale (lamely) or add story elements to his list of cards. A card is added to the deck for each new story element. The cards are then handed out as needed, and the tale goes on. Gameplay As soon as the Barkeep is ready to begin, e chooses a Bard to go first and names em publicly. It is that Bard's turn. On eir turn, a Bard either tries to make a play, or passes. If e successfully makes a play, it is still eir turn. When a play is denied (which happens, alas, to the best Bards from time to time) or the Bard passes, play goes to the next Bard, clockwise around the table. Passing A Bard may pass explicitly. Also, when the Barkeep notices that a Bard is asleep (i.e. it has been eir turn continuously for three days or more, and e has not tried a play in all that time) and posts a message to that effect, that Bard is considered to have passed. When a Bard passes, e receives a card. If a Bard is asleep(i.e. passes by default)for three of eir turns in a row(or more), then the Barkeep may announce, at the same time as announcing that e is asleep, that that Bard has gone Under The Table. At this point the Bard is removed from the game, and eir bench is considered empty. When a Bard passes explicitly, e may announce that e is discarding one of the cards from eir hand, naming the card. That card is burned. Plays A Bard attempts a play by sending a public message with the word "Lantern" (or "YORL") in the subject header. The text of the message should be a reasonable amount of suitable prose to add to (or start) the tale (150 to 300 words, or the length of previous segments, are good guidelines). If the Bard has any cards, the last line of the message should specify one of them. The Barkeep shall then reply, either verifying that the play was successful, or denying it. E may, in addition to verifying the play, announce that the card thus played is a new Loose End. This is done when, in the Barkeep's opinion, an interesting element is added to the game and isn't resolved right away: a villain is introduced; a map is found; a prophecy is made. When a card becomes a Loose End, it goes on the table, face up. When a card is successfully played, but doesn't become a Loose End, it is burned. [The tale isn't complete until all the Loose Ends have been tied off.] When a Bard attempts to play a card but is denied, the card is burned, and the Bard receives two cards to replace it. The Barkeep may deny a play for any of the following reasons: it is incomprehensible; it is a non sequitur from the previous bit of the story; it is not in the spirit of the game [e.g. the Bard is blatantly and rudely playing to get rid of cards rather than for the fun of the story]; it is too long or too short; the Bard has cards, but none of them is specified; no card was specified, and no Loose Ends were tied off; the play was attempted more than three days after the beginning of the Bard's turn; or a card was specified, but the text didn't bring it into the tale. That last reason begs some explanation. The text of a play is required to bring into the story the ideas specified on the card. [e.g. If a card bears the word "disguise", the Bard may play it only if he works a disguise into the story.] It's a matter of taste how central an idea must be in order to qualify. Generally, it is insufficient simply to discuss an item (it must be present), to mention the possibility of an event (it must take place), or to have a character talk about another character in dialogue (he must actually be introduced.) In any case, the Barkeep's reply is final. The Barkeep may, in addition to verifying the play, announce that one or more of the Loose Ends on the table have been resolved. This means that the most recent play has tied off those parts of the story. A Bard receives one Ale for each Loose End tied off by eir play. Upon being awarded an Ale, a player also receives a FairPlay Award. Interruptions A Bard may try to interrupt any play attempted by another Bard, either before or after the Barkeep replies to it, by announcing the interruption, along with the play being interrupted and the name of a card the interrupting Bard holds. [The idea is that the story element on this card is, by coincidence, a part of the story that the current Bard is telling; the interrupting Bard now takes over the tale.] An interruption never causes any of the tale to be discarded. Neither does it have any effect on the success or denial of any play currently being attempted. When a play and an interruption are both being attempted, the Barkeep must reply to the play first (regardless of which message e received first). The Barkeep shall reply to each interruption, either verifying that it was successful, or denying it. If the interruption is successful, then it is immediately the interrupting Bard's turn, and the Bard who was interrupted receives a card. The Barkeep shall deny an interruption if the card specified is not one the interrupting Bard has. In this case, one card is dealt to the interrupting Bard, as a penalty. The Barkeep shall deny an interruption if the story element on the specified card was not sufficiently mentioned in the interrupted play. In this case, the card is burned, and the interrupting Bard receives two cards to replace it, as a penalty. Again, what qualifies as a sufficient mention is up to the Barkeep, but in this case e is encouraged to be lenient. If an interruption is not denied for either of the above reasons, the Barkeep shall deny it if it comes too late-- that is, either the interrupted play was attempted more than three days ago, or it has already been successfully interrupted with a different card. In this case, the card is burned, and the Bard who attempted the interrupt is dealt one card to replace it. Winning A Bard wins when all of the following are true: e has no cards, e was the last to make a successful play, there are no Loose Ends, and there are no unprocessed Interrupts. If the story isn't quite "done" yet, the winning Bard may finish it however e pleases. Once that's done, the tale ends. For participating, the winning Bard receives 10 points. The Barkeep receives 20 PPs. PPs are awarded to the partipating Barts in following format: Participated in all of the game turns == 20 PPs Participated in at least 3/4ths of the game turns but less than all == 15 PPs Participated in at least 1/2 of the game turns but less than 3/4ths == 10PPs Participated in at least 1/4 of the game turns but less than 1/2 == 5 PPs The Barkeep also has a total of 10 points to distribute for Fairplay awards as e sees fit during the game or immediately after the game has ended. The Barkeep may not distribute these points to emselves and may not be kept. ----------------------------------- Nomopoly III now open. Join Today! http://www.justthefaqs.org/nomopoly/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From fur@w... Fri May 04 16:15:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fur@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 4 May 2001 23:15:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 7864 invoked from network); 4 May 2001 23:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 May 2001 23:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 May 2001 23:15:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 29358 invoked from network); 4 May 2001 23:16:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.36.79) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 4 May 2001 23:16:14 -0000 To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 Submission for Vote Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 19:13:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003d01c0d415$40321680$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Fur" Adam, I'm really confused about your game.........what's the simplest possible way to explain it to me? Thanks. -Jen -----Original Message----- From: smartgamer [mailto:sgamer@s...] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:09 PM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 Submission for Vote I just realised that since I put it up for debate, I get to ignore "Support your Local Lobbyist." My rule, copied here again, is officially submitted for voting, Mr. Speaker + Grand Silly Kniggt, Sir Devon Jacobs! ---Adam Norberg AND SO IT BEGINS: BATTLEBOARD "An entity is now being defined as 'THE BOARD.' THE BOARD is a path, with an initial length equal to five times the number of players. If all spaces on The Board are defined, IGNORE this passage contained in stars: *Each player, in turn, decides what symbol is next on the Board: a +, a -, an =, or a ?. Players will be told that: Landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds.* If there are Minigames defined in every set (see below), each player is placed at the beginning of The Board, and rolls a die with a value of 1-5. This player moves that number of spaces, and the event occurs such that landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds. All players are moved at the same time. (If choices become available in the move, then this may change. Currently, however, movement is random, so it makes no difference.) After players are moved and teams are formed, a Minigame is played. A Minigame is a rule with a value ranging from 700-1000; rules within the Minigame Range are ignored until called upon as a Minigame. When a Minigame is needed, then a possible Minigame is randomly selected from all applicable Minigames. This Minigame is played. If only one team has members in it, the Minigame is from 801-900; otherwise, it's 700-800. 901-1000 is for times when the game is One vs. The World. Minigames submitted are IMMUNE to the "Support Your Local Lobbyist" rule, but they must be voted on. The Speaker will file them into the correct category. ALL Minigames must alter board positions and/or point values. After the minigame, all players roll again; usually the 1-5 die, but minigames may adjust this. After any player reaches the end of The Board, e wins 10 points and a new Board is formed as per the directions in stars, above." To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sgamer@s... Fri May 04 18:07:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 5 May 2001 01:07:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 13376 invoked from network); 5 May 2001 01:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 May 2001 01:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 May 2001 01:07:24 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GCU00F8W869XU@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 4 May 2001 20:01:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 20:04:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 Submission for Vote To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <000c01c0d4ff$60472c40$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer After all players make a board, you randomly move along it. After every set of turns, a special rule is put into effect which changes the players' scores and/or positions in the game. After the rule, called a minigame, finishes, the game continues. And that's all the rule is. I have to nitpick or else someone's going to find a loophole ;-) --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fur" To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 Submission for Vote > Adam, > > I'm really confused about your game.........what's the simplest possible way > to explain it to me? > > Thanks. > > -Jen > > -----Original Message----- > From: smartgamer [mailto:sgamer@s...] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:09 PM > To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [on_discussion] ABNPROP2 Submission for Vote > > > I just realised that since I put it up for debate, I get to > ignore "Support your Local Lobbyist." My rule, copied here > again, is officially submitted for voting, Mr. Speaker + Grand > Silly Kniggt, Sir Devon Jacobs! > > ---Adam Norberg > AND SO IT BEGINS: BATTLEBOARD > "An entity is now being defined as 'THE BOARD.' THE BOARD is a path, with an > initial length equal to five times the number of players. If all spaces on > The Board are defined, IGNORE this passage contained in stars: *Each player, > in turn, decides what symbol is next on the Board: a +, a -, an =, or a ?. > Players will be told that: Landing on a + gives you two game points and > allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are > allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is > determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal > odds.* > If there are Minigames defined in every set (see below), each player is > placed at the beginning of The Board, and rolls a die with a value of 1-5. > This player moves that number of spaces, and the event occurs such that > landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; > landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = > does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? > can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds. All players are moved > at the same time. (If choices become available in the move, then this may > change. Currently, however, movement is random, so it makes no difference.) > After players are moved and teams are formed, a Minigame is played. A > Minigame is a rule with a value ranging from 700-1000; rules within the > Minigame Range are ignored until called upon as a Minigame. When a Minigame > is needed, then a possible Minigame is randomly selected from all applicable > Minigames. This Minigame is played. If only one team has members in it, the > Minigame is from 801-900; otherwise, it's 700-800. 901-1000 is for times > when the game is One vs. The World. Minigames submitted are IMMUNE to the > "Support Your Local Lobbyist" rule, but they must be voted on. The Speaker > will file them into the correct category. ALL Minigames must alter board > positions and/or point values. After the minigame, all players roll again; > usually the 1-5 die, but minigames may adjust this. After any player reaches > the end of The Board, e wins 10 points and a new Board is formed as per the > directions in stars, above." > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From chammond@i... Fri May 04 20:17:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: chammond@i... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 5 May 2001 03:17:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 34107 invoked from network); 5 May 2001 03:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 May 2001 03:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.246) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 May 2001 03:17:30 -0000 Received: from callie [209.42.216.181] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A0D0CD310256; Fri, 04 May 2001 23:17:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c0d512$76b9f580$b5d82ad1@callie> To: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Proposal Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 23:21:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Callie Hammond" I'm new at all this, and not exactly sure how it works, but are you aware that the game you describe (Ye Olde Rusty Lantern) already exists as a card game? (That may be the whole point. I'm not sure if you're going for something new or are looking to put an existing game on-line). C Callie Hammond Fuquay-Varina, NC From djacobs@n... Sat May 05 05:30:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 5 May 2001 12:30:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 82244 invoked from network); 5 May 2001 12:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 May 2001 12:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 May 2001 12:30:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 32349 invoked from network); 5 May 2001 12:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.162) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 5 May 2001 12:30:50 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010505083338.00808d60@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 08:33:38 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [5/5/2001] Incoming New Proposals: (http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/props.htm updated within 48 hrs) 339. AND SO IT BEGINS: BATTLEBOARD "An entity is now being defined as 'THE BOARD.' THE BOARD is a path, with an initial length equal to five times the number of players. If all spaces on The Board are defined, IGNORE this passage contained in stars: *Each player, in turn, decides what symbol is next on the Board: a +, a -, an =, or a ?. Players will be told that: Landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds.* If there are Minigames defined in every set (see below), each player is placed at the beginning of The Board, and rolls a die with a value of 1-5. This player moves that number of spaces, and the event occurs such that landing on a + gives you two game points and allies you with team one; landing on a - costs you two points and you are allied with team two; an = does nothing to your score, and your alliance is determined at random; a ? can do any of the three, at random, with equal odds. All players are moved at the same time. (If choices become available in the move, then this may change. Currently, however, movement is random, so it makes no difference.) After players are moved and teams are formed, a Minigame is played. A Minigame is a rule with a value ranging from 700-1000; rules within the Minigame Range are ignored until called upon as a Minigame. When a Minigame is needed, then a possible Minigame is randomly selected from all applicable Minigames. This Minigame is played. If only one team has members in it, the Minigame is from 801-900; otherwise, it's 700-800. 901-1000 is for times when the game is One vs. The World. Minigames submitted are IMMUNE to the "Support Your Local Lobbyist" rule, but they must be voted on. The Speaker will file them into the correct category. ALL Minigames must alter board positions and/or point values. After the minigame, all players roll again; usually the 1-5 die, but minigames may adjust this. After any player reaches the end of The Board, e wins 10 points and a new Board is formed as per the directions in stars, above." Adam Norberg -- voting period ENDS 5/12/2001 PPs Awards: (see Players page for totals, updated within 48 hrs http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Adam N +10 submission of 339 . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From lhenry@n... Sat May 05 05:38:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lhenry@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 5 May 2001 12:38:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 11140 invoked from network); 5 May 2001 12:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 May 2001 12:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 May 2001 12:38:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 4187 invoked from network); 5 May 2001 12:39:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO v9b8m7) (216.238.36.21) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 5 May 2001 12:39:14 -0000 Message-ID: <001801c0d560$7669dd40$1524eed8@v9b8m7> To: References: <003101c0d286$bd93bb00$1124eed8@v9b8m7> <002101c0d2b7$a62589e0$fb00a8c0@kandelar> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION FOR DEBATE Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 08:39:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0D53E.EE9F9BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lonnie Henry" ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0D53E.EE9F9BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry about that it means just that when they get new points in the game after the loan they= can split it so that they can over time repay it. Let's say that you loan me 10 points. My score is now 10. I put in a prop that passes. I can give you 5, 6, 4, or whatever torwards the loan. those points gets added back into your points total. Its doesn't have to be paid immediately or all at the same time. Sorry for the miss understanding. Thanks for the feedback! John Henry john@w... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Risen=20 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION FOR DEBATE I disagree with the portion reading "The loans must be repaid within 10 v= otes since the loan was made" for the reason that, with a little help, 10 p= ropositions that require voting can be forced through. I suggest providing = a minimum time period as well such as "The loans must be repaid within 10 v= otes since the loan was made, or 30 days, whichever is longer" Also, I wonder as to the result of the person's total if e cannot repay b= ack 150%. If a player is at 0, requests a loan of 10, gets it and has to re= pay it back, does eir score go to -5? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Henry=20 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:36 PM Subject: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION FOR DEBATE =20=20=20=20=20=20 LOAN FROM THE RICH AND GIVE TO THE POOR In the current state of Our Nomic with the increase of new players, the= se players should have at least a start toward their goal of 100 points. Th= e trading of points shall occur in this way: =20=20=20=20=20 Any player with a score total of less than 50 can put out a statement a= sking if any other player wishes to loan them points.=20 =20=20=20=20=20 If a player responds yes then the two players will send a request to th= e speaker saying who and how many score points. The loans can be from one (= 1) to twenty (20) points. =20=20=20=20=20 If the loan is made, then the points are added to the loaned and subtra= cted from the loaner. =20=20=20=20=20 The player must pay the loaner 150% of the amount loaned. That is the a= mount of the loan + half of the loan amount rounded up to the nearest whole= number.=20 =20=20=20=20=20 The loans must be repaid within 10 votes since the loan was made.=20 =20=20=20=20=20 On the Players Page on the website it must say next to the players PPs = how much that person needed to pay back and to whom. Example: PPs Loans 7593 Owes (#) to billy-bob-bo The person paying back the loan can divide newly received points to him= and the loan-e or can wait. =20=20=20=20=20 The speaker must be notified of the score changes and the # of points t= hat you do not owe anymore. COMMENTS FROM PROPOSER: This may give new players the benefit of the ge= nerosity even away from the holiday season. Johnny Henry To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0D53E.EE9F9BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sorry about that
it means just that when they get new points in the = game=20 after the loan they can split it so that they can over time repay=20 it.
 
Let's say that you loan me 10 points.
My score is now 10.
I put in a prop that passes.
I can give you 5, 6, 4, or whatever torwards the=20 loan.
those points gets added back into your points=20 total.
 
Its doesn't have to be paid immediately or all at t= he same=20 time.
 
Sorry for the miss understanding.
Thanks for the feedback!
 
John Henry
john@w...
 
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Mark R= isen=20
To: on_discussion@y...= om=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:26= =20 PM
Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPO= SITION=20 FOR DEBATE

I disagree with the portion reading "The loans must be repaid within 10 votes since the loan was=20 made" for the reason that, with a little help, 10=20 propositions that require voting can be forced through. I suggest providi= ng a=20 minimum time period as well such as "The loans must be repaid within 10 v= otes=20 since the loan was made, or 30 days, whichever is longer"
 
Also, I wonder as to the result of the p= erson's=20 total if e cannot repay back 150%. If a player is at 0, requests a loan o= f 10,=20 gets it and has to repay it back, does eir score go to -5?
----- Original Message -----
F= rom:=20 John Hen= ry=20
To: on_discussion@yahoogroups= .com=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:36= =20 PM
Subject: [on_discussion] PROPOSI= TION=20 FOR DEBATE

 =20

LOAN FROM THE RICH AND GIVE TO THE POOR

 

In the current state of Our Nomic with the increas= e of=20 new players, these players should have at least a start toward their go= al of=20 100 points. The trading of points shall occur in this way:

 

Any player with a score total of less than 50 can = put out=20 a statement asking if any other player wishes to loan them point= s.=20

 

If a player responds yes then the two players will= send a=20 request to the speaker saying who and how many score poi= nts.=20 The loans can be from one (1) to twenty (20) points.

 

If the loan is made, then the points are adde= d to=20 the loaned and subtracted from the loaner.

 

The player must pay the loaner 150% of the amount = loaned.=20 That is the amount of the loan + half of the loan amount rounded u= p to=20 the nearest whole number.

 

The loans must be repaid within 10 votes since the= loan=20 was made. 

 

On the Players Page on the website it must say nex= t to=20 the players PPs how much that person needed to pay back and to who= m.=20 Example:

 

PPs      Loans

 

7593    Owes (#) to billy-bob-= bo

 

The person paying back the loan can divide newly r= eceived=20 points to him and the loan-e or can wait.

 

The speaker must be notified of the score changes = and the=20 # of points that you do not owe anymore.

 

COMMENTS FROM PROPOSER: This may give new players = the=20 benefit of the generosity even away from the holiday season.

 

Johnny Henry



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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0D53E.EE9F9BA0-- From kandelar@n... Sat May 05 10:26:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 5 May 2001 17:26:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 38371 invoked from network); 5 May 2001 17:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 May 2001 17:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 May 2001 17:26:52 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with SMTP id f45HQod28254 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 10:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004701c0d589$445daec0$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: References: <3.0.2.32.20010502235558.007fcea0@a...> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] OFFICIAL NOMIC UPDATE (try again...) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 10:31:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01C0D54E.959C7CC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C0D54E.959C7CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see that the web page has the proposal (cool!), but I'm also wondering ho= w often score points and prestige points get updated? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar}=20 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:55 PM Subject: [on_discussion] OFFICIAL NOMIC UPDATE (try again...) [5/2/01] Incoming Recruitment: Falcon has recruited Jaimss Carpenter, Callie Hammond, and Brian Lord,=20 but has not participated in 6 consecutive votes. Chuck has recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth, 5 votes remain. New Player Registration: Mark Risen.=20 Falcon Arendell.=20 Adam Hrankowski.=20 Brian Lord.=20 Callie Hammond.=20 Jaimss Carpenter.=20 Jeffrey Ellsworth.=20 Jen Henry is now Mark Risen's mentor. Jen Henry is now Callie Hammond's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Falcon Arendell's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Adam Hrankowski's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Brian Lord's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Jaimss Carpenter's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentor. Mentoring: Mark Risen's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Callie Hammond's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Falcon Arendell's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Adam Hrankowski's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Brian Lord's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jaimss Carpenter's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Player Status Changes: Kip Martin has removed himself from the game. PPs Awards:=20 AdamH +10 Joined game in progress Falcon +10 Joined game in progress Brian +10 Joined game in progress Callie +10 Joined game in progress Jaimss +10 Joined game in progress Jeffrey +10 Joined game in progress Mark +10 Joined game in progress Chuck +15 For going above and beyond the call of duty (*309) and holding= =20 a mini-orientation class for all the newcomers, and for=20 drumming up all the business in the first place! -Devon -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- A god of iron and machines, work, war and death.=20 A blacksmith, a soldier, a politician.=20 The civilizer, the one who clears the way through=20 the wilderness with his ever-present machete. Ogum watches over me with sleepless eyes, protecting and guiding me through the wilderness of this reality.=20 -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C0D54E.959C7CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I see that the web page has the proposal (= cool!),=20 but I'm also wondering how often score points and prestige points get=20 updated?
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Devo= n Jacobs=20 {Darkstar}
To: on_discussion@y...= om=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:55= =20 PM
Subject: [on_discussion] OFFICIAL = NOMIC=20 UPDATE (try again...)

[5/2/01]

Incoming
Recruitment:
Falcon has=20 recruited Jaimss Carpenter, Callie Hammond, and Brian Lord,
but has n= ot=20 participated in 6 consecutive votes.

Chuck has recruited Jeffrey=20 Ellsworth, 5 votes remain.

New Player Registration:
Mark Risen.= =20
Falcon Arendell.
Adam Hrankowski.
Brian Lord.
Callie Hamm= ond.=20
Jaimss Carpenter.
Jeffrey Ellsworth.

Jen Henry is now Mar= k=20 Risen's mentor.
Jen Henry is now Callie Hammond's mentor.

Chuck= =20 Henry is now Falcon Arendell's mentor.
Chuck Henry is now Adam Hrankow= ski's=20 mentor.
Chuck Henry is now Brian Lord's mentor.
Chuck Henry is now= =20 Jaimss Carpenter's mentor.
Chuck Henry is now Jeffrey Ellsworth's=20 mentor.

Mentoring:
Mark Risen's mentoring will end=20 [5/23/01].
Callie Hammond's mentoring will end [5/23/01].
Falcon=20 Arendell's mentoring will end [5/23/01].
Adam Hrankowski's mentoring w= ill=20 end [5/23/01].
Brian Lord's mentoring will end [5/23/01].
Jaimss=20 Carpenter's mentoring will end [5/23/01].
Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentorin= g=20 will end [5/23/01].

Player Status Changes:
Kip Martin has remov= ed=20 himself from the game.

PPs Awards:
AdamH +10 Joined game in=20 progress
Falcon +10 Joined game in progress
Brian +10 Joined game i= n=20 progress
Callie +10 Joined game in progress
Jaimss +10 Joined game = in=20 progress
Jeffrey +10 Joined game in progress
Mark +10 Joined game i= n=20 progress

Chuck +15 For going above and beyond the call of duty<= /B>=20 (*309) and holding
a mini-orientation class for all the newcomers, an= d for=20
drumming up all the business in the first=20 place!
-Devon


-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-
A=20 god of iron and machines, work, war and death.
A blacksmith, a soldie= r, a=20 politician.
The civilizer, the one who clears the way through
the= =20 wilderness with his ever-present machete.
Ogum watches over me with=20 sleepless eyes,
protecting and guiding me through the wilderness
of= this=20 reality.
-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C0D54E.959C7CC0-- From mattkeppel@y... Sun May 06 15:31:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mattkeppel@y... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 6 May 2001 22:31:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 94961 invoked from network); 6 May 2001 22:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 May 2001 22:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12108.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.28) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 May 2001 22:31:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20010506223105.82160.qmail@w...> Received: from [64.30.154.139] by web12108.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 06 May 2001 15:31:05 PDT Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 15:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reminder: Naming Task Force To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000001c0d246$7be2aad0$7d402ca6@cay60966> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Matthew Keppel My fellow Nomicsylvanians: Just a reminder that tomorrow is the deadline for suggesting an alternate name for Our Nomic. We've already had some great suggestions, but as they say, variety is the spice of life! I requested that each player come up with at least one new name, but so far I have recieved only a handful of responses. If you haven't made your suggestion (or if you have and continue to be inspired..), please send your idea either to me (mattkeppel@y...) or the discussion list (on_discussion@yahoogroups.com) no later than midnight tomorrow. Get those suggestions in! Your humble Nomic servant, Matt Keppel Lesser Silly Kniggit, Head of the NFT, and all around nice guy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From kandelar@n... Mon May 07 00:27:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 7 May 2001 07:27:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 88993 invoked from network); 7 May 2001 07:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 May 2001 07:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 May 2001 07:27:09 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with SMTP id f477R8d15081 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 00:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000501c0d6c7$cc8b6fa0$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: References: <20010506223105.82160.qmail@w...> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Reminder: Naming Task Force Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 00:31:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" How about aNOMally or aNOMallia? :P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Keppel" To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: [on_discussion] Reminder: Naming Task Force > My fellow Nomicsylvanians: > > Just a reminder that tomorrow is the deadline for > suggesting an alternate name for Our Nomic. We've > already had some great suggestions, but as they say, > variety is the spice of life! I requested that each > player come up with at least one new name, but so far > I have recieved only a handful of responses. If you > haven't made your suggestion (or if you have and > continue to be inspired..), please send your idea > either to me (mattkeppel@y...) or the discussion > list (on_discussion@yahoogroups.com) no later than > midnight tomorrow. Get those suggestions in! > > Your humble Nomic servant, > > Matt Keppel > Lesser Silly Kniggit, > Head of the NFT, > and all around nice guy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From windrant@n... Mon May 07 03:34:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 7 May 2001 10:34:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 38758 invoked from network); 7 May 2001 10:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 May 2001 10:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 May 2001 10:34:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 2012 invoked from network); 7 May 2001 10:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.36.51) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 7 May 2001 10:35:16 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] OFFICIAL NOMIC UPDATE (try again...) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 06:32:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0D6BF.79CDC540" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004701c0d589$445daec0$fb00a8c0@kandelar> From: "Windrant" ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0D6BF.79CDC540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Score and PPs will get updated on the webpage within 48 hours of ANY change in either values for any player. Usually faster although... most times within 24 hours. That goes for props too. The webpages fall under the Historian's job description! That's me! -C Chuck Henry Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic -----Original Message----- From: Mark Risen [mailto:kandelar@n...] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 1:32 PM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] OFFICIAL NOMIC UPDATE (try again...) I see that the web page has the proposal (cool!), but I'm also wondering how often score points and prestige points get updated? ----- Original Message ----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:55 PM Subject: [on_discussion] OFFICIAL NOMIC UPDATE (try again...) [5/2/01] Incoming Recruitment: Falcon has recruited Jaimss Carpenter, Callie Hammond, and Brian Lord, but has not participated in 6 consecutive votes. Chuck has recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth, 5 votes remain. New Player Registration: Mark Risen. Falcon Arendell. Adam Hrankowski. Brian Lord. Callie Hammond. Jaimss Carpenter. Jeffrey Ellsworth. Jen Henry is now Mark Risen's mentor. Jen Henry is now Callie Hammond's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Falcon Arendell's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Adam Hrankowski's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Brian Lord's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Jaimss Carpenter's mentor. Chuck Henry is now Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentor. Mentoring: Mark Risen's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Callie Hammond's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Falcon Arendell's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Adam Hrankowski's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Brian Lord's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jaimss Carpenter's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Player Status Changes: Kip Martin has removed himself from the game. PPs Awards: AdamH +10 Joined game in progress Falcon +10 Joined game in progress Brian +10 Joined game in progress Callie +10 Joined game in progress Jaimss +10 Joined game in progress Jeffrey +10 Joined game in progress Mark +10 Joined game in progress Chuck +15 For going above and beyond the call of duty (*309) and holding a mini-orientation class for all the newcomers, and for drumming up all the business in the first place! -Devon -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A god of iron and machines, work, war and death. A blacksmith, a soldier, a politician. The civilizer, the one who clears the way through the wilderness with his ever-present machete. Ogum watches over me with sleepless eyes, protecting and guiding me through the wilderness of this reality. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Score=20 and PPs will get updated on the webpage within 48 hours of ANY change = in=20 either values for any player.  Usually faster although... most times w= ithin=20 24 hours.  That goes for props too.
 
The=20 webpages fall under the Historian's job description!  That's=20 me!
 
-C

Chuck Henry
Historian of Our=20 Nomic
www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic

 
 
 -----Original Message-----
Fr= om:=20 Mark Risen [mailto:kandelar@n...]
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2= 001=20 1:32 PM
To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:= =20 [on_discussion] OFFICIAL NOMIC UPDATE (try again...)

I see that the web page has the proposal= (cool!),=20 but I'm also wondering how often score points and prestige points get=20 updated?
----- Original Message -----
F= rom:=20 De= von=20 Jacobs {Darkstar}
To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:= 55=20 PM
Subject: [on_discussion] OFFICIA= L NOMIC=20 UPDATE (try again...)

[5/2/01]

Incoming
Recruitment:
Falcon has=20 recruited Jaimss Carpenter, Callie Hammond, and Brian Lord,
but has= not=20 participated in 6 consecutive votes.

Chuck has recruited Jeffrey= =20 Ellsworth, 5 votes remain.

New Player Registration:
Mark Rise= n.=20
Falcon Arendell.
Adam Hrankowski.
Brian Lord.
Callie=20 Hammond.
Jaimss Carpenter.
Jeffrey Ellsworth.

Jen Henry= is=20 now Mark Risen's mentor.
Jen Henry is now Callie Hammond's=20 mentor.

Chuck Henry is now Falcon Arendell's mentor.
Chuck He= nry=20 is now Adam Hrankowski's mentor.
Chuck Henry is now Brian Lord's=20 mentor.
Chuck Henry is now Jaimss Carpenter's mentor.
Chuck Henry= is=20 now Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentor.

Mentoring:
Mark Risen's mento= ring=20 will end [5/23/01].
Callie Hammond's mentoring will end=20 [5/23/01].
Falcon Arendell's mentoring will end [5/23/01].
Adam=20 Hrankowski's mentoring will end [5/23/01].
Brian Lord's mentoring wi= ll=20 end [5/23/01].
Jaimss Carpenter's mentoring will end=20 [5/23/01].
Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentoring will end=20 [5/23/01].

Player Status Changes:
Kip Martin has removed hims= elf=20 from the game.

PPs Awards:
AdamH +10 Joined game in=20 progress
Falcon +10 Joined game in progress
Brian +10 Joined game= in=20 progress
Callie +10 Joined game in progress
Jaimss +10 Joined gam= e in=20 progress
Jeffrey +10 Joined game in progress
Mark +10 Joined game= in=20 progress

Chuck +15 For going above and beyond the call of dut= y=20 (*309) and holding
a mini-orientation class for all the newcomers, = and=20 for
drumming up all the business in the first=20 place!
-Devon


-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-
A=20 god of iron and machines, work, war and death.
A blacksmith, a sold= ier,=20 a politician.
The civilizer, the one who clears the way through the=20 wilderness with his ever-present machete.
Ogum watches over me with= =20 sleepless eyes,
protecting and guiding me through the wilderness
= of=20 this reality.
-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=20


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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0D6BF.79CDC540-- From djacobs@n... Mon May 07 15:07:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 7 May 2001 22:07:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 64527 invoked from network); 7 May 2001 22:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 May 2001 22:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 May 2001 22:07:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 26057 invoked from network); 7 May 2001 22:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.143) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 7 May 2001 22:08:01 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010507180703.007e17a0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:07:03 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [05/07/01] Incoming Recruitment: Chuck has recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth, 5 votes remain. Mentoring Mark Risen's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Callie Hammond's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Falcon Arendell's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Adam Hrankowski's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Brian Lord's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jaimss Carpenter's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. New Proposals: (http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/props.htm) (updated within 48 hours) 340. Baby Please Don't Go! (submitted under 303) 341. Discussion Submission Patch (supported by: CH,JH) Outgoing: PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Devon +10 Submission of 341 Falcon +10 Submission of 340 . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From falcon.arendell@w... Tue May 08 06:04:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: falcon.arendell@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 8 May 2001 13:04:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 76792 invoked from network); 8 May 2001 13:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 May 2001 13:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dgesmtp02.wcom.com) (199.249.16.17) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 May 2001 13:04:01 -0000 Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GD0006OQPJVWJ@f...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 8 May 2001 13:02:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GD000F01PJNIO@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 May 2001 13:02:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cay60966 ([166.44.64.125]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GD000E63PJIJC@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 May 2001 13:02:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 09:02:04 -0400 Subject: Top 5 List (attempted humor) To: "NOMIC (E-mail)" Message-id: <014201c0d7bf$153d5400$7d402ca6@cay60966> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_hUafThGb2jOa2b9ZIueugw)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: Falcon Arendell --Boundary_(ID_hUafThGb2jOa2b9ZIueugw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Top 5 Rejected New Names for Our Nomic 5. Just Say Nomic 4. Nomic, Alaska 3. Nomic is Goodmic 2. Nomic Schnomic 1. Nomicy you=92re so fine, you=92re so fine you blow my mind ____________________________ Falcon Arendell Soon to be a major motion picture "The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts" W. Wonka --Boundary_(ID_hUafThGb2jOa2b9ZIueugw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

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--Boundary_(ID_hUafThGb2jOa2b9ZIueugw)-- From kandelar@n... Wed May 09 07:52:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 9 May 2001 14:52:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 21806 invoked from network); 9 May 2001 14:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 May 2001 14:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 May 2001 14:51:33 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with SMTP id f49EpWV23082 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 07:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002101c0d898$2e8a0640$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: References: <3.0.2.32.20010507180703.007e17a0@a...> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 07:56:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" How do we vote? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Devon Jacobs {Darkstar}" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE > [05/07/01] > > Incoming > Recruitment: > Chuck has recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth, 5 votes remain. > > Mentoring > Mark Risen's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > Callie Hammond's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > Falcon Arendell's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > Adam Hrankowski's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > Brian Lord's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > Jaimss Carpenter's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > > New Proposals: > (http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/props.htm) > (updated within 48 hours) > > 340. Baby Please Don't Go! (submitted under 303) > 341. Discussion Submission Patch (supported by: CH,JH) > > Outgoing: > > PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals. > http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) > Devon +10 Submission of 341 > Falcon +10 Submission of 340 > > > > > . > / \ > | | > |.| > |.| > |:| __ > ,_|:|_, / ) > (Oo / _I_ > +\ \ || __| > \ \||___| > \ /.:.\-\ > |.:. /-----\ > |___|::oOo::| > / |:<_T_>:| > |_____\ ::: / > | | \ \:/ > | | | | > \ / | \___ > / | \_____\ > `-' > -Devon Jacobs- > -Grand Silly Kniggit- > --Speaker of Our Nomic-- > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From sgamer@s... Wed May 09 08:28:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 9 May 2001 15:28:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 28338 invoked from network); 9 May 2001 15:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 May 2001 15:27:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 May 2001 15:27:28 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with SMTP id <0GD200E10QMCUN@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 9 May 2001 10:20:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 10:24:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <000501c0d89c$1ca8dba0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: <3.0.2.32.20010507180703.007e17a0@a...> <002101c0d898$2e8a0640$fb00a8c0@kandelar> X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer Email the Speaker (that would be Devon, email is djacobs@n...) with the following subject line: MR vote (Y/N) on (prop num) Also, tell him your vote in the main body. The code at the subject line lets him file the email quickly- yea or nay on each one. Send separate emails. Right? --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Risen" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE > How do we vote? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Devon Jacobs {Darkstar}" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:07 PM > Subject: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE > > > > [05/07/01] > > > > Incoming > > Recruitment: > > Chuck has recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth, 5 votes remain. > > > > Mentoring > > Mark Risen's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > > Callie Hammond's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > > Falcon Arendell's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > > Adam Hrankowski's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > > Brian Lord's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > > Jaimss Carpenter's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > > Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. > > > > New Proposals: > > (http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/props.htm) > > (updated within 48 hours) > > > > 340. Baby Please Don't Go! (submitted under 303) > > 341. Discussion Submission Patch (supported by: CH,JH) > > > > Outgoing: > > > > PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals. > > http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) > > Devon +10 Submission of 341 > > Falcon +10 Submission of 340 > > > > > > > > > > . > > / \ > > | | > > |.| > > |.| > > |:| __ > > ,_|:|_, / ) > > (Oo / _I_ > > +\ \ || __| > > \ \||___| > > \ /.:.\-\ > > |.:. /-----\ > > |___|::oOo::| > > / |:<_T_>:| > > |_____\ ::: / > > | | \ \:/ > > | | | | > > \ / | \___ > > / | \_____\ > > `-' > > -Devon Jacobs- > > -Grand Silly Kniggit- > > --Speaker of Our Nomic-- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From djacobs@n... Sun May 13 11:47:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 May 2001 18:47:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 80278 invoked from network); 13 May 2001 18:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 May 2001 18:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 May 2001 18:47:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 7431 invoked from network); 13 May 2001 18:08:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.167) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 13 May 2001 18:08:28 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010513141201.007a9510@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 14:12:01 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [05/12/2001] Incoming Recruitment: Chuck recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth on 5/2/01, 4 votes now remain. Mentoring: Mark Risen's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Callie Hammond's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Falcon Arendell's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Adam Hrankowski's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Brian Lord's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jaimss Carpenter's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Player Status Changes: Mark Risen has become Active (officially {NP}). Falcon Arendell has become Active (officially {NP}). Jeffrey Ellsworth has become Active (officially {NP}). New Proposals: (http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/props.htm Updated within 48 hours.) 342. BEGINNER'S LUCK (Author: DJ, Support: CH, LH) This rule amends rule 321 UNDER THE HEADING DEFINITIONS,ADD: NEW PLAYER STATUS: Means that the player has just joined the game, and has not participated by voting in any of the last 5 consecutive proposal votes or has not participated in a call for judgment in the last calendar month. This player does not count towards quorum under the definition under rule 201. When a player has New Player Status, no penalties shall be applied to that player due to missed votes or missed calls for judgment. New Player status automatically changes to Active Player when the player votes for or against a proposal for the first time, makes a call for judgement, or after 5 consecutive votes in which e holds New Player Status, whichever comes first. A player may only hold New Player Status ONCE in Our Nomic. If the player leaves the game or changes status as described below for any reason, and that player returns to the game, eis status will immediately become ACTIVE PLAYER. COMMENTS: As a whole we generally allow new players 'immunity' until their first vote as a courtesy... however, in looking over the records, there are a few lurkers who haven't voted since they joined the game, some for several months. Outgoing: Voting Results: Failed: 339. (AN) 66.7% Participation! In Favor: AN, MR. Opposed: CH, FA, JE, JH, LH, SM. Abstain: JoH, JB, MK, SO. Excused: AH, BL, CH, JC, JR. Point Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Adam H. -10 (Author 339) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Adam N. +5 (voted 5/12/01) Chuck +5 (voted 5/12/01) Devon +26 ( 8 players voted 5/12/01= +16, Submission of 342= +10) Falcon +5 (voted 5/12/01) Jen +5 (voted 5/12/01) Jeff +5 (voted 5/12/01) Lonnie +5 (voted 5/12/01) Mark +5 (voted 5/12/01) Scott +5 (voted 5/12/01) Notices: Please note that the Speaker and the Web Gnome are no longer the same person. Therefore the web pages are not updated at the same time that scores are posted. Typically the web pages will be updated within 24-48 hours after the scores are posted to the discussion list. . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From sgamer@s... Sun May 13 15:51:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 May 2001 22:51:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 1023 invoked from network); 13 May 2001 22:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 May 2001 22:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 May 2001 22:51:20 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with SMTP id <0GDA00CFMQ04ZO@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 May 2001 17:48:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:51:55 -0500 Subject: What's wrong here? To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <001901c0dbff$4f7e6200$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer I put my Board prop up for debate, and I got nothing but good comments. A lot of people liked it, nobody complained. So why did it fail? You all had your chances to tell me what was wrong with it. Please, let me know so I can revise it and try again... needless to say, I'm a tad irritated. --Adam Norberg From kandelar@n... Sun May 13 19:51:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 May 2001 02:51:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 75906 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 02:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 May 2001 02:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 May 2001 02:51:10 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with SMTP id f4E2p9k14011 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 19:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901c0dc21$82c73a20$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: References: <001901c0dbff$4f7e6200$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] What's wrong here? Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 19:56:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" Hmm. I must agree. Very little discussion was put up and a number of people voted against it. I suspect this has to do with rule number 211 - voting against an adopted proposal gives the players points (if it is successful). ----- Original Message ----- From: "smartgamer" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: [on_discussion] What's wrong here? > I put my Board prop up for debate, and I got nothing but > good comments. A lot of people liked it, nobody complained. > > So why did it fail? > > You all had your chances to tell me what was wrong with it. Please, let me > know so I can revise it and try again... > > needless to say, I'm a tad irritated. > > --Adam Norberg > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From kandelar@n... Sun May 13 19:59:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 May 2001 02:59:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 63536 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 02:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 May 2001 02:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 May 2001 02:58:44 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with SMTP id f4E2whk18840 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 19:58:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006301c0dc22$90cc97e0$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: Subject: MRPROP1 - The WeatherPerson - For Discussion Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 20:04:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C0DBE7.E43B6540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C0DBE7.E43B6540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I'm going to try this out. Here is my first prop put up for discussion.= Please criticize and comment on it since I'm trying to learn. -Mark Proposition: The WeatherPerson To bring into existance, the position of "The WeatherPerson". The WeatherPerson has the sole duty of predicting the weather in OurNomic. = E does this by rolling a 6 sided die and consulting the following table: 1. Sunny 2. Cloudy 3. Rainy 4. Thunderstorms 5. Snow 6. Fog Amazingly, the meteorological skills of The WeatherPerson are unparalleled, even when the position changes hands. Because of this, The WeatherPerson is 100% accurate with eir predictions. The WeatherPerson must provide weather predictions to The Speaker within 2 days of the date the weather will occur. Furthermore, The WeatherPerson ma= y accurately predict the weather for up to 14 days after the date that the prediction occurs. The WeatherPerson is not required to provide predictions up to 14 days in advance, but may do so at eir discretion. It is assumed that weather prediction can sometimes be a tricky art and may take time to determine. Failure to provide weather predictions to The Speaker within the specified time will result in a 1 point loss for all players due to the ensuing chaos of unexpected weather. In addition, The WeatherPerson will be scorned and lose an additional 3 points. If The WeatherPerson fails to provide weather predictions 2 days in a row or 3 times within a 30 day period, the followin= g will happen: 1. The citizens of Our Nomic will become accustomed to unpredictable weather and no longer lose points 2. The WeatherPerson will lose 5 points 3. The person holding the position of The WeatherPerson will lose that position 4. The Speaker will determine The New WeatherPerson per the rules below= . When the position of "The WeatherPerson" needs to be determined (such as determining the initial holder of the position or after the completion of duties or after the position has been stripped from somebody), the followin= g guidlines are used: 1. The position of "The WeatherPerson" can only be held by an actively voting member of Our Nomic 2. The Speaker will have 2 days to determine who will hold the position of "The WeatherPerson". Failure to do so will result in a 1 Prestige Point loss per day exceeded. 3. The Speaker determines, by a random method, the holder of the position, "The WeatherPerson". The position may not be occupied by the person holding this position just prior to this change in position. 4. Once the holder of the position is determined, the citizens of Our Nomic will allow a grace period of 7 days before a prediction needs to be known. During this period, no point penalties for unexpected weather will b= e incurred. Failure of The Speaker to post the weather predictions before the date that the weather is predicted for, will allow for the citizens to "Admonish The Speaker" harshly via e-mail and cause The Speaker to lose 5 Prestige Points= . It is assumed that The WeatherPerson took measures to inform the citizens o= f Our Nomic by other means and no other point penalties will occur due to unexpected weather. If The WeatherPerson fulfills the duties of the position by accurately predicting weather for 56 days (not necessarily consecutively), e will be rewarded with 10 points. It is assumed that the last prediction(s) made by The WeatherPerson that reach or exceed the 56 days will be accurate and it is not necessary for the days to actually pass in order to verify that the predictions were accurate. Immediately upon providing the 56th prediction, The WeatherPerson must inform The Speaker of the event or else forfit the 1= 0 point reward. Once informed, The Speaker must then determine The New WeatherPerson. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C0DBE7.E43B6540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, I'm going to try this out. Here is my = first=20 prop put up for discussion. Please criticize and comment on it since I'm tr= ying=20 to learn.
    -Mark
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Pr= oposition:=20 The WeatherPerson


To bring into existance, the position of "The= =20 WeatherPerson".

The WeatherPerson has the sole duty of predicting th= e=20 weather in OurNomic. E
does this by rolling a 6 sided die and consulting= the=20 following table:

    1. Sunny
    2= .=20 Cloudy
    3. Rainy
    4.=20 Thunderstorms
    5. Snow
    6.=20 Fog

Amazingly, the meteorological skills of The WeatherPerson are=20 unparalleled,
even when the position changes hands. Because of this, The= =20 WeatherPerson is
100% accurate with eir predictions.

The WeatherP= erson=20 must provide weather predictions to The Speaker within 2
days of  t= he=20 date the weather will occur. Furthermore, The WeatherPerson may
accurate= ly=20 predict the weather for up to 14 days after the date that the
prediction= =20 occurs. The WeatherPerson is not required to provide predictions
up to 1= 4=20 days in advance, but may do so at eir discretion. It is assumed
that wea= ther=20 prediction can sometimes be a tricky art and may take time=20 to
determine.

Failure to provide weather predictions to The Speak= er=20 within the specified
time will result in a 1 point loss for all players = due=20 to the ensuing chaos
of unexpected weather. In addition, The WeatherPers= on=20 will be scorned and
lose an additional 3 points. If The WeatherPerson fa= ils=20 to provide weather
predictions 2 days in a row or 3 times within a 30 da= y=20 period, the following
will happen:

    1. The citi= zens=20 of Our Nomic will become accustomed to unpredictable
weather and no long= er=20 lose points
    2. The WeatherPerson will lose 5=20 points
    3. The person holding the position of The=20 WeatherPerson will lose that
position
    4. The Speak= er=20 will determine The New WeatherPerson per the rules below.

When the=20 position of "The WeatherPerson" needs to be determined (such as
determin= ing=20 the initial holder of the position or after the completion of
duties or = after=20 the position has been stripped from somebody), the following
guidlines a= re=20 used:
    1. The position of "The WeatherPerson" can only= be=20 held by an actively
voting member of Our Nomic
    2. = The=20 Speaker will have 2 days to determine who will hold the position
of "The= =20 WeatherPerson". Failure to do so will result in a 1 Prestige Point
loss = per=20 day exceeded.
    3. The Speaker determines, by a random= =20 method, the holder of the
position, "The WeatherPerson". The position ma= y not=20 be occupied by the
person holding this position just prior to this chang= e in=20 position.
    4. Once the holder of the position is=20 determined, the citizens of Our
Nomic will allow a grace period of 7 day= s=20 before a prediction needs to be
known. During this period, no point pena= lties=20 for unexpected weather will be
incurred.

Failure of The Speaker t= o=20 post the weather predictions before the date that
the weather is predict= ed=20 for, will allow for the citizens to "Admonish The
Speaker" harshly via e= -mail=20 and cause The Speaker to lose 5 Prestige Points.
It is assumed that The= =20 WeatherPerson took measures to inform the citizens of
Our Nomic by other= =20 means and no other point penalties will occur due to
unexpected=20 weather.

If The WeatherPerson fulfills the duties of the position by= =20 accurately
predicting weather for 56 days (not necessarily consecutively= ), e=20 will be
rewarded with 10 points. It is assumed that the last prediction(= s)=20 made by
The WeatherPerson that reach or exceed the 56 days will be accur= ate=20 and it
is not necessary for the days to actually pass in order to verify= that=20 the
predictions were accurate. Immediately upon providing the 56th=20 prediction,
The WeatherPerson must inform The Speaker of the event or el= se=20 forfit the 10
point reward. Once informed, The Speaker must then determi= ne=20 The New
WeatherPerson.
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C0DBE7.E43B6540-- From windrant@n... Mon May 14 03:25:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 May 2001 10:25:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 45247 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 10:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 May 2001 10:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 May 2001 10:24:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 27447 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 10:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.174) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 14 May 2001 10:25:16 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] What's wrong here? Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:22:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001901c0dbff$4f7e6200$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> From: "Windrant" Well, Adam... don't be irritated. Here's the reason for my vote and why your prop failed IMHO... It was good of you to join the game and then toss into the mix a proposition and then a proposal. However, I think you may have been a bit ambitious to start with. I really didn't like the proposal at all. Too wordy... I really didn't understand the proposal at all. There were requests for you to simply or better explain it but I really didn't see them happen. Also, remember that the folks that have been playing the game for the last year can effectively be considered "conservative" and will fear radical changes to some extent. Your prop was radical change. Another thing too (all you newbies listen with a keen ear): Just because it was met with favorable discussion on the list DOES NOT mean it will pass. If you really want something to pass, you need to talk to as many people as you can and make sure it passes on assurances. This is true politicing. Also, this is a game. Like Survivor, there is only one winner. You must work together while screwing everybody. If we do not want you to win, then keeping you from earning points is the way to do that. Like real politics, smile while you sink someone else's political career. (You didn't really think the whole Bill Clinton scandal was entirely his fault, did you?) Chin up Adam! I would suggest moving on though... repeat attempts on the same prop haven't worked traditionally in Our Nomic. Try something a little less radical and it will do fine! -Chuck Chuck Henry Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic -----Original Message----- From: smartgamer [mailto:sgamer@s...] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:52 PM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] What's wrong here? I put my Board prop up for debate, and I got nothing but good comments. A lot of people liked it, nobody complained. So why did it fail? You all had your chances to tell me what was wrong with it. Please, let me know so I can revise it and try again... needless to say, I'm a tad irritated. --Adam Norberg To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From fur@w... Mon May 14 03:36:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fur@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 May 2001 10:36:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 43150 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 10:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 May 2001 10:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 May 2001 10:36:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 115 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 10:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.174) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 14 May 2001 10:37:10 -0000 To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] What's wrong here? Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:34:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001901c0dbff$4f7e6200$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> From: "Fur" Hi Adam. I can honestly say that I just felt way too confused by it and so I avoided it at all costs rather than deal with figuring it out......laziness on my part probably. I think the prop may work in the future, but keep in mind that there are a tremendous amount of new players in the game at the moment.....everyone is just trying to figure out how to play Nomic itself, to throw a game upon a game seems likely to confuse. But, there are several things you can do.......next time make sure you have the support of others by having them lobby with you.....that might mean making a future promise to vote for someone else's prop if they vote for yours, but be sure you know who your supporters are. Secondly, you can always author the prop with another person and then split the points earned. Its a good way to have someone else review it, and you're guaranteed that person's votes........ Just a couple thoughts........ Don't worry.......most of us have had at least one prop fail, and some of us have had many........ -Jen -----Original Message----- From: smartgamer [mailto:sgamer@s...] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:52 PM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] What's wrong here? I put my Board prop up for debate, and I got nothing but good comments. A lot of people liked it, nobody complained. So why did it fail? You all had your chances to tell me what was wrong with it. Please, let me know so I can revise it and try again... needless to say, I'm a tad irritated. --Adam Norberg To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From fur@w... Mon May 14 03:42:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fur@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 May 2001 10:42:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 65620 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 10:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 May 2001 10:42:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 May 2001 10:42:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 2560 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 10:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.174) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 14 May 2001 10:42:52 -0000 To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Mr. Speaker Sir, it has come to my attention..... Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:39:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "Fur" Devon, It's come to my attention that some of our players have the same initials.......ex: Chuck Henry, Callie Hammond.....this becomes very confusing when reading Nomic updates........can we fix this? Jen Henry and John Henry are JH and JoH........just a thought........ -Jen From falcon.arendell@w... Mon May 14 06:56:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: falcon.arendell@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 May 2001 13:56:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 63595 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 13:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 May 2001 13:56:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pmesmtp01.wcom.com) (199.249.20.1) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 May 2001 13:55:55 -0000 Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GDB008AZW0VUV@f...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 May 2001 13:55:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GDB00601W0MF8@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 May 2001 13:55:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cay60966 ([166.44.64.125]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GDB0058YW0BKF@d...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 May 2001 13:55:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:55:22 -0400 Subject: Voter Turnout To: "NOMIC (E-mail)" Message-id: <01e701c0dc7d$85b6b420$7d402ca6@cay60966> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KfUpQ0DDJ4umV1pj61l1Mg)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: Falcon Arendell --Boundary_(ID_KfUpQ0DDJ4umV1pj61l1Mg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit There are two Props out there just begging to be voted on. Today is the last day for both. Please be sure to get out there and vote your conscience. Or, if you have no conscience, vote yes for Prop 340. __________________________________ Falcon Arendell Vice President of Self Referencial Services www.wwwcom.com "This sentance would be seven words long if it were six words shorter." --Boundary_(ID_KfUpQ0DDJ4umV1pj61l1Mg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

There are two Props out there just begging to be voted on.  Today is the last day for both.  Please be sure to get out there a= nd vote your conscience.  Or, if= you have no conscience, vote yes for Prop 340. 

 <= /span>

___________________________= _______

Falcon Arendell<= /font>

Vice President of Self Referencial Services

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--Boundary_(ID_KfUpQ0DDJ4umV1pj61l1Mg)-- From sgamer@s... Mon May 14 06:58:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 May 2001 13:58:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 77445 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 13:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 May 2001 13:58:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 May 2001 13:58:32 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with SMTP id <0GDB00FNWVYZ85@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 May 2001 08:54:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:58:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] What's wrong here? To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <000e01c0dc7d$f3c0dea0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer Actually, I did try my best to clarify the rules. I think I'll write a semidifferent prop- this one defines the board, what it looks like, and how it is created. Nothing else. A different set of rules will define minigames and how the board will be used- I won't even define what the spaces look like or do and leave that to Discussion. Actually, everyone, since we know it's coming, what SHOULD I try? --Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Windrant" To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:22 AM Subject: RE: [on_discussion] What's wrong here? > Well, Adam... don't be irritated. > > Here's the reason for my vote and why your prop failed IMHO... > > It was good of you to join the game and then toss into the mix a proposition > and then a proposal. However, I think you may have been a bit ambitious to > start with. I really didn't like the proposal at all. Too wordy... I > really didn't understand the proposal at all. There were requests for you > to simply or better explain it but I really didn't see them happen. Also, > remember that the folks that have been playing the game for the last year > can effectively be considered "conservative" and will fear radical changes > to some extent. Your prop was radical change. > > Another thing too (all you newbies listen with a keen ear): Just because it > was met with favorable discussion on the list DOES NOT mean it will pass. > If you really want something to pass, you need to talk to as many people as > you can and make sure it passes on assurances. This is true politicing. > > Also, this is a game. Like Survivor, there is only one winner. You must > work together while screwing everybody. If we do not want you to win, then > keeping you from earning points is the way to do that. Like real politics, > smile while you sink someone else's political career. (You didn't really > think the whole Bill Clinton scandal was entirely his fault, did you?) > > Chin up Adam! I would suggest moving on though... repeat attempts on the > same prop haven't worked traditionally in Our Nomic. Try something a little > less radical and it will do fine! > > -Chuck > > Chuck Henry > Historian of Our Nomic > www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic > > -----Original Message----- > From: smartgamer [mailto:sgamer@s...] > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:52 PM > To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [on_discussion] What's wrong here? > > > I put my Board prop up for debate, and I got nothing but > good comments. A lot of people liked it, nobody complained. > > So why did it fail? > > You all had your chances to tell me what was wrong with it. Please, let me > know so I can revise it and try again... > > needless to say, I'm a tad irritated. > > --Adam Norberg > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From john@w... Mon May 14 14:48:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: john@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 May 2001 21:48:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 71211 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 21:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 May 2001 21:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 May 2001 21:48:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 13365 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 21:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO v9b8m7) (216.238.37.90) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 14 May 2001 21:48:20 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c0dcbf$ab2707e0$5a25eed8@v9b8m7> To: Subject: oops... Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:48:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0DC9E.23445C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "John Henry" ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0DC9E.23445C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, If you put a proposition for debate but dont send it in, can you post it ag= ain and then send it in? -John ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0DC9E.23445C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey all,
 
If you put a proposition for debate but dont send i= t in,=20 can you post it again and then send it in?
 
-John
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0DC9E.23445C40-- From windrant@n... Mon May 14 15:52:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 May 2001 22:52:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 46121 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 22:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 May 2001 22:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 May 2001 22:51:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 29482 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 22:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.36.181) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 14 May 2001 22:52:04 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] oops... Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:49:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0DCA6.8CC868C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001b01c0dcbf$ab2707e0$5a25eed8@v9b8m7> From: "Windrant" ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0DCA6.8CC868C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, Once you put a proposition up for debate you have 7 days to turn it in. If you don't, you cannot turn it in for 7 days after that. I would suggest that you just get supporters and send it in directly. IMHO posting only allow your enemies time to rally an opposition to a prop. Just a thought. -C Chuck Henry Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic -----Original Message----- From: John Henry [mailto:john@w...] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:49 PM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] oops... Hey all, If you put a proposition for debate but dont send it in, can you post it again and then send it in? -John To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0DCA6.8CC868C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John,
 
Once=20 you put a proposition up for debate you have 7 days to turn it in.  If= you=20 don't, you cannot turn it in for 7 days after that.  I would suggest t= hat=20 you just get supporters and send it in directly.  IMHO posting only al= low=20 your enemies time to rally an opposition to a prop.  Just a=20 thought.
 
-C

Chuck Henry
Historian of Our=20 Nomic
www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic

-----Original Message-----
From: John Henry=20 [mailto:john@w...]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:49=20 PM
To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject:=20 [on_discussion] oops...

Hey all,
 
If you put a proposition for debate but dont send= it in,=20 can you post it again and then send it in?
 
-John

To unsubscribe from thi= s=20 group, send an email=20 to:
on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com



Your= use=20 of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0DCA6.8CC868C0-- From chammond@i... Mon May 14 16:12:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: chammond@i... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 May 2001 23:12:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 30279 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 23:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 May 2001 23:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.246) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 May 2001 23:12:01 -0000 Received: from callie [209.42.225.141] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A645969A021E; Mon, 14 May 2001 19:12:05 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c0dccb$9892c040$8de12ad1@callie> To: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] What's wrong here? Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:14:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Callie Hammond" At the time your prop was put up, I didn't even know what a vote WAS, much less what I should do with it. It was a mega difficult one to deal with for the first time out. Callie Hammond Fuquay-Varina, NC From chammond@i... Mon May 14 16:17:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: chammond@i... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 May 2001 23:17:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 93318 invoked from network); 14 May 2001 23:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 May 2001 23:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.246) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 May 2001 23:17:06 -0000 Received: from callie [209.42.225.141] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A7766CA4002E; Mon, 14 May 2001 19:17:10 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c0dccc$4e88c840$8de12ad1@callie> To: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] MRPROP1 - The WeatherPerson - For Discussion Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:19:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0DCAA.C55E0C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Callie Hammond" ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0DCAA.C55E0C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Questions: 1. Can the weatherperson go ahead and predict the next 52 days, since e is= always correct? That way, e doesn't have to worry about missing a day. 2. Would e only predict for days when e is told we need to know the weathe= r? Or is there supposed to be a daily forecast? 3. Does it matter what time of the year it is in Our Nomic? Or do we sudd= enly have snow in whatever our summer is? 4. Is there any provision for occasional extremes -- drought, hurricane, e= tc.? 5. Shouldn't it be the (oh, shoot, whatever it is we call the web master) = instead of the Speaker who loses PP if the weather isn't posted? Callie Hammond Fuquay-Varina, NC=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0DCAA.C55E0C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Questions:
 
1.  Can the weatherperson go ahead and predict the= next=20 52 days, since e is always correct?  That way, e doesn't have to worry= =20 about missing a day.
 
2.  Would e only predict for days when e is told w= e need=20 to know the weather?  Or is there supposed to be a daily=20 forecast?
 
To: on_discussion@y...= om=20
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:45= =20 AM
Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECES= S

I vote=20 nay on the recess.  This is= not a=20 fast paced game, and it seems that dedicating one hour per week is plenty= to=20 keep up with what is going on.  If=20 folks are going on vacation, there are rules for that.  I think that we should trudge=20 on.

 =

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Vice President of Self Referenc= ial=20 Services

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"This sentence would be seven word= s long=20 if it were six words shorter."

 =

-----Origina= l=20 Message-----
From: Dev= on=20 Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:11= =20 AM
To:=20 on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [on_discussion]=20 RECESS

 =

Hi folks!!

Just a reminder that the deadline for the mot= ion is=20 Midnight TONIGHT!!
Remember that 2/3 of the active= =20 registered voters must re= spond=20 to any open forum either in support or opposition to the motion to recess= . If=20 a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our = Nomic=20 is considered in recess.
WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY!!! it doesn't= =20 matter whether you are for or against recess, you need to post it to the= =20 discussion list!!!!! ASAP!




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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0F512.AF9EA4C0-- From djacobs@n... Thu Jun 14 22:06:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 Jun 2001 05:06:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 53087 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 05:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2001 05:06:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 05:06:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 10361 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 05:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.167) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 05:06:21 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010615011040.007f57f0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:10:40 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: recess Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_992596240==_" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} --=====================_992596240==_ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" [6/14/2001] Our nomic is officially ffff,0000,0000in recess. The recess shall commence IMMEDIATELY and last until midnight August 18th, 2001. the official vote was 6 yea, 4 nay. quorum was 10 for those of you cool enough to have MS Excel, the vote calculations are attached to this mail. Under Rule 319: Within one week of this motion, 2/3 of the active registered voters must respond to any open forum either in support or opposition to the motion. If 2/3 of the active registered voters do not respond then the motion is scrapped. If a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our Nomic is considered in recess. During this period of recess, the forums of discussion continue to operate upon the discretion of the moderator of that forum. However, no new proposals can be submitted or acted upon until the recess ends. Any proposals in the Hopper shall be acted upon on the date that was assigned to them, by the Speaker, regardless of the recess. Upon the date stated as the end of the recess, all functions of Our Nomic shall return to pre-recess status. Have a great summer folks!! See you in august! --=====================_992596240==_ Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="recess.xls"; x-mac-type="584C5334"; x-mac-creator="5843454C" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="recess.xls" [Attachment content not displayed.] --=====================_992596240==_ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- --=====================_992596240==_-- From falcon.arendell@w... Fri Jun 15 05:56:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: falcon.arendell@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 Jun 2001 12:56:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 78741 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 12:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2001 12:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dgesmtp02.wcom.com) (199.249.16.17) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 12:56:10 -0000 Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GEZ006IV2LKC4@f...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:56:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GEZ00B012LD6V@p...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:56:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cay60966 ([166.44.64.125]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GEZ007FO2L65E@p...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:55:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:55:53 -0400 Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECESS In-reply-to: To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <00ef01c0f59a$83816d40$7d402ca6@cay60966> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ZdKYEsbTGGBd3OVglszMVw)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: Falcon Arendell --Boundary_(ID_ZdKYEsbTGGBd3OVglszMVw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE As I said, I am a geek and can=92t really comprehend a week away from the computer. Didn=92t mean to offend or to make you bring up your innate abil= ity to veto even if we had voted no to a recess. Sorry. __________________________________ Falcon Arendell Vice President of Self Referencial Services www.wwwcom.com "This sentence would be seven words long if it were six words shorter." -----Original Message----- From: Windrant [mailto:windrant@n...] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:24 PM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECESS We do have a rule for this... School's Out Forever... I go weeks during the summer without going online. If we don't go on reces= s I will go on excused status and the webpages will not be updated. If you really want the game to die for the length of the summer... then please go right ahead and nay this. Devon has stated that he would like the summer off too... then what happens? If he takes a break then what? If I'm not mistaken, when I was Speaker I called temporary breaks. Devon could conceivably call the game off until August without violating any rules with the Our Nomic... after all we still have 116. Please tolerate us old folk who need time off to enjoy the sun and get out and socialize. I know the new folk don't realize this but I started this game so I could distract myself from the 4 feet of snow piled outside my window. This is a poor weather nomic. If I have other things to do... I would like to them without missing anything. I think the professional teachers, middle and high school students and college student in this crowd can understand what an incredibly valuable thing the summer is... Well, either way... as of 12:01 AM you folks can consider me on Excused status. See you in August! Chuck Henry The First Speaker, Historian, and Founder of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic -----Original Message----- From: Falcon Arendell [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:45 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECESS I vote nay on the recess. This is not a fast paced game, and it seems that dedicating one hour per week is plenty to keep up with what is going on. I= f folks are going on vacation, there are rules for that. I think that we should trudge on. __________________________________ Falcon Arendell Vice President of Self Referencial Services www.wwwcom.com "This sentence would be seven words long if it were six words shorter." -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:11 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] RECESS Hi folks!! Just a reminder that the deadline for the motion is Midnight TONIGHT!! Remember that 2/3 of the active registered voters must respond to any open forum either in support or opposition to the motion to recess. If = a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our Nomi= c is considered in recess. WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY!!! it doesn't matter whether you are for or against recess, you need to post it to the discussion list!!!!! ASAP! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click for Details Click for Details To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . --Boundary_(ID_ZdKYEsbTGGBd3OVglszMVw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE --Boundary_(ID_ZdKYEsbTGGBd3OVglszMVw)-- From windrant@n... Fri Jun 15 13:58:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 Jun 2001 20:58:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 48984 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 20:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2001 20:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 20:57:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 8305 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 20:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.65) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 20:58:02 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECESS Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:55:04 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0F5BB.ECD2C7A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00ef01c0f59a$83816d40$7d402ca6@cay60966> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0F5BB.ECD2C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That's ok... I just over reacted... I'm sorry Falcon, I didn't mean to be such an asshole! I was tired and WAAAYYYY too warm. It very rarely get hotter than 80F here and it was about 94F when I wrote that. Tired, hot and pissy does not a good email make. ;) -C Chuck Henry Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic -----Original Message----- From: Falcon Arendell [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 8:56 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECESS As I said, I am a geek and can’t really comprehend a week away from the computer. Didn’t mean to offend or to make you bring up your innate ability to veto even if we had voted no to a recess. Sorry. __________________________________ Falcon Arendell Vice President of Self Referencial Services www.wwwcom.com "This sentence would be seven words long if it were six words shorter." -----Original Message----- From: Windrant [mailto:windrant@n...] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:24 PM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECESS We do have a rule for this... School's Out Forever... I go weeks during the summer without going online. If we don't go on recess I will go on excused status and the webpages will not be updated. If you really want the game to die for the length of the summer... then please go right ahead and nay this. Devon has stated that he would like the summer off too... then what happens? If he takes a break then what? If I'm not mistaken, when I was Speaker I called temporary breaks. Devon could conceivably call the game off until August without violating any rules with the Our Nomic... after all we still have 116. Please tolerate us old folk who need time off to enjoy the sun and get out and socialize. I know the new folk don't realize this but I started this game so I could distract myself from the 4 feet of snow piled outside my window. This is a poor weather nomic. If I have other things to do... I would like to them without missing anything. I think the professional teachers, middle and high school students and college student in this crowd can understand what an incredibly valuable thing the summer is... Well, either way... as of 12:01 AM you folks can consider me on Excused status. See you in August! Chuck Henry The First Speaker, Historian, and Founder of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic -----Original Message----- From: Falcon Arendell [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:45 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECESS I vote nay on the recess. This is not a fast paced game, and it seems that dedicating one hour per week is plenty to keep up with what is going on. If folks are going on vacation, there are rules for that. I think that we should trudge on. __________________________________ Falcon Arendell Vice President of Self Referencial Services www.wwwcom.com "This sentence would be seven words long if it were six words shorter." -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:11 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] RECESS Hi folks!! Just a reminder that the deadline for the motion is Midnight TONIGHT!! Remember that 2/3 of the active registered voters must respond to any open forum either in support or opposition to the motion to recess. If a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our Nomic is considered in recess. WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY!!! it doesn't matter whether you are for or against recess, you need to post it to the discussion list!!!!! ASAP! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click for Details To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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That's=20 ok... I just over reacted... I'm sorry Falcon, I didn't mean to be such an= =20 asshole!
 
I was=20 tired and WAAAYYYY too warm.  It very rarely get hotter than 80F here = and=20 it was about 94F when I wrote that.  Tired, hot and pissy does not a g= ood=20 email make. ;)
 
-C

Chuck Henry
Historian of Our=20 Nomic
www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic

As I said, I am a geek and can’t really comprehend a week away= from the computer.  Didn’t mean = to offend or to make you bring up your innate ability to veto even if we had voted no to= a recess.  Sorry.

 <= /span>

___________________________= _______

Falcon Arendell<= /font>

Vice President of Self Referencial Services

www.wwwcom.com

 

"This sentence would be seven= words long if it were six words shorter."<= /p>

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Windrant [mailto:windr= ant@n...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 200= 1 6:24 PM
To: on_discussion@yahoogroup= s.com
Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECESS

 <= /o:p>

We do have a rule f= or this... School's Out Forever...

 = ;

I go weeks during t= he summer without going online.  If we don't go on recess I will go on excused status and the webpages will not be updated.  If you really wa= nt the game to die for the length of the summer... then please go right ahead = and nay this.  Devon has stated that he would like the summer off too... t= hen what happens?  If he takes a break then what?  If I'm not mistake= n, when I was Speaker I called temporary breaks.  Devon could conceivably call the game off until August without violating any rules with the Our Nomic... after all we still have 116.

 = ;

Please tolerate us = old folk who need time off to enjoy the sun and get out and socialize.  I = know the new folk don't realize this but I started this game so I could distract myself from the 4 feet of snow piled outside my window.  This is a poo= r weather nomic.  If I have other things to do... I would like to them without missing anything.

 = ;

I think the profess= ional teachers, middle and high school students and college student in this crowd= can understand what an incredibly valuable thing the summer is...=

 = ;

Well, either way...= as of 12:01 AM you folks can consider me on Excused status.  See you in Augu= st!

 = ;

Chuck Henry
The First Speaker, Historian, and Founder of Our Nomic
www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic

-----Original Message-----
From: Falcon Arendell [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 200= 1 10:45 AM
To: on_discussion@yahoogroup= s.com
Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECESS

I vote nay on the recess.  This is not a fast paced game, and it seems that dedicat= ing one hour per week is plenty to keep up with what is going on.  If folks are going on vacation, t= here are rules for that.  I think = that we should trudge on.

 

___________________________= _______

Fal= con Arendell

Vic= e President of Self Referencial Services

www= .wwwcom.com

 

"= This sentence would be seven words long if it were six words shorter."

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar= } [mailto:djacobs@n...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 200= 1 7:11 AM
To: on_discussion@yahoogroup= s.com
Subject: [on_discussion] REC= ESS

 

Hi folks!!

Just a reminder that the deadline for the motion is Midnight TONIGHT!!
Remember that 2/3 of the active registered voters must respond to any open forum either= in support or opposition to the motion to recess. If a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our Nomic is considered in rece= ss.
WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY!!! it doesn't matter whether you are for or against recess, you need to post it to the discussion list!!!!! ASAP!




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| |
|.|
|.|
|:| __
,_|:|_, / )
(Oo / _I_
+\ \ || __|
\ \||___|
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|.:. /-----\
|___|::oOo::|
/ |:<_T_>:|
|_____\ ::: /
| | \ \:/
| | | |
\ / | \___
/ | \_____\
`-'
-Devon Jacobs-
-Grand Silly Kniggit-
--Speaker of Our Nomic--



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-----Original Message-----
From: Falcon Arendell=20 [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...]
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 8= :56=20 AM
To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:=20 [on_discussion] RECESS

As I=20 said, I am a geek and can’t really comprehend a week away from the= =20 computer.  Didn’t mea= n to offend=20 or to make you bring up your innate ability to veto even if we had voted = no to=20 a recess. =20 Sorry.

 =

__________________________________

Falcon=20 Arendell

Vice President of Self Referenc= ial=20 Services

www.wwwcom.com

 = ;

"This sentence would be seven w= ords=20 long if it were six words shorter."

 =

-----Origina= l=20 Message-----
From: Win= drant=20 [mailto:windrant@n...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:24= =20 PM
To:=20 on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [on_discussion]=20 RECESS

 =

We do=20 have a rule for this... School's Out Forever...

 

I go=20 weeks during the summer without going online.  If we don't go on rec= ess I=20 will go on excused status and the webpages will not be updated.  If = you=20 really want the game to die for the length of the summer... then please g= o=20 right ahead and nay this.  Devon has stated that he would like the s= ummer=20 off too... then what happens?  If he takes a break then what?  = If=20 I'm not mistaken, when I was Speaker I called temporary breaks.  Dev= on=20 could conceivably call the game off until August without violating any ru= les=20 with the Our Nomic... after all we still have 116.

 

Please=20 tolerate us old folk who need time off to enjoy the sun and get out and=20 socialize.  I know the new folk don't realize this but I started thi= s=20 game so I could distract myself from the 4 feet of snow piled outside my= =20 window.  This is a poor weather nomic.  If I have other things = to=20 do... I would like to them without missing anything.

 

I think=20 the professional teachers, middle and high school students and college st= udent=20 in this crowd can understand what an incredibly valuable thing the summer= =20 is...

 

Well,=20 either way... as of 12:01 AM you folks can consider me on Excused=20 status.  See you in August!

 

= Chuck HenryThe=20 First Speaker, Historian, and Founder of Our=20 Nomic
www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic

-----Origina= l=20 Message-----
From: Fal= con=20 Arendell [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:4= 5=20 AM
To:=20 on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [on_discussion]=20 RECESS

I vote=20 nay on the recess.  This is= not a=20 fast paced game, and it seems that dedicating one hour per week is plenty= to=20 keep up with what is going on.  If=20 folks are going on vacation, there are rules for that.  I think that we should trudge=20 on.

 =

__________________________________

Falcon=20 Arendell

Vice President of Self Referenc= ial=20 Services

www.wwwcom.com

 = ;

"This sentence would be seven word= s long=20 if it were six words shorter."

 =

-----Origina= l=20 Message-----
From: Dev= on=20 Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:11= =20 AM
To:=20 on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [on_discussion]=20 RECESS

 <= ![endif]>

Hi folks!!

Just a reminder that the deadline for the mot= ion is=20 Midnight TONIGHT!!
Remember that 2/3 of the active= =20 registered voters must re= spond=20 to any open forum either in support or opposition to the motion to recess= . If=20 a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our = Nomic=20 is considered in recess.
WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY!!! it doesn't= =20 matter whether you are for or against recess, you need to post it to the= =20 discussion list!!!!! ASAP!




.
/ \
|=20 |
|.|
|.|
|:| __
,_|:|_, / )
(Oo / _I_
+\ \ || __|
\= =20 \||___|
\ /.:.\-\
|.:. /-----\
|___|::oOo::|
/=20 |:<_T_>:|
|_____\ ::: /
| | \ \:/
| | | |
\ / | \___/ |=20 \_____\
`-'
-Devon Jacobs-
-Grand Silly Kniggit-
--Speaker of= Our=20 Nomic--



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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0F5BB.ECD2C7A0-- From djacobs@n... Sat Aug 18 19:02:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 19 Aug 2001 02:02:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 76833 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2001 02:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2001 02:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Aug 2001 02:02:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 10541 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2001 02:02:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.161) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2001 02:02:56 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010818220647.007fe3d0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:06:47 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [08/10/2001] Incoming Recruitment: Chuck recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth on 5/2/01, 2 votes now remain. Notices: Hello all, as of midnight tonight Nomic is back from recess! I hope everyone had a great summer, lounging about the poolside, without a care in the world... I await the coming tide of props, as it's still anybody's game!!! the speaker's office is now open....good luck! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From chammond@i... Sat Aug 18 19:39:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: chammond@i... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 19 Aug 2001 02:39:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 5967 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2001 02:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2001 02:39:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.246) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Aug 2001 02:39:53 -0000 Received: from callie [209.42.225.137] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A72819E90090; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:40:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c12858$5ea3a2e0$89e12ad1@callie> To: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:40:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Callie Hammond" I regretfully have to withdraw from the game. Between the girls and my work, and the need to get a second job, I just don't have the time. Sorry to all -- maybe next time. Callie Hammond Fuquay-Varina, NC From windrant@n... Sun Aug 19 06:27:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 19 Aug 2001 13:27:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 57496 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2001 13:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2001 13:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Aug 2001 13:27:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 4136 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2001 13:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.78) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2001 13:27:30 -0000 To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 09:24:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20010818220647.007fe3d0@a...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chuck Henry" Ladies and Gentlemen, The webpages have been updated. Welcome back! I had a pretty good summer... although busy. I hope that everyone is nomic-rested and ready to begin again. I know I am! Chuck Henry Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:07 PM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE [08/10/2001] Incoming Recruitment: Chuck recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth on 5/2/01, 2 votes now remain. Notices: Hello all, as of midnight tonight Nomic is back from recess! I hope everyone had a great summer, lounging about the poolside, without a care in the world... I await the coming tide of props, as it's still anybody's game!!! the speaker's office is now open....good luck! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From djacobs@n... Sun Aug 19 08:05:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 19 Aug 2001 15:05:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 29290 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2001 15:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2001 15:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Aug 2001 15:05:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 14013 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2001 15:05:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (209.2.153.155) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2001 15:05:26 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010819104614.0080f9f0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 10:46:14 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE In-Reply-To: <000a01c12858$5ea3a2e0$89e12ad1@callie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Hi Callie, sorry to hear the news....but as someone who until last year held down 3 jobs myself, I know exactly what you mean..... we'll miss you.... your scores and PP's will remain on file in case you are able to rejoin us, so feel free to come back and play anytime!!! At 10:40 PM 8/18/01 -0400, you wrote: >>>> I regretfully have to withdraw from the game. Between the girls and my work, and the need to get a second job, I just don't have the time. Sorry to all -- maybe next time. Callie Hammond Fuquay-Varina, NC
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To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the <Yahoo! Terms of Service. <<<<<<<< . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From djacobs@n... Sun Aug 19 08:05:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 19 Aug 2001 15:05:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 50005 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2001 15:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Aug 2001 15:05:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Aug 2001 15:05:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 14018 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2001 15:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (209.2.153.155) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2001 15:05:27 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010819110932.007f7b10@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:09:32 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [08/19/2001] Incoming Recruitment: Chuck recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth on 5/2/01, 2 votes still remain. Player Status: John Henry is still excused until further notice. Matt Keppel is still excused until further notice. Scott Morgan is still excused until further notice. ***IF you folks are ready to come back, you need to send me some mail!!!*** Callie Hammond has withdrawn from the game. Notices: The web pages have been updated, aside from Callie's withdrawl, they are the correct current standings. Thanks Chuck! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From kandelar@n... Sun Aug 19 20:09:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 20 Aug 2001 03:09:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 83074 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2001 03:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2001 03:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO frankenstein.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.39) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Aug 2001 03:08:46 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by frankenstein.nwlink.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f7K38jj03605 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:08:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kandelar@n...) Message-ID: <001101c073de$f0535160$9ecfcacf@s...> To: References: <3.0.2.32.20010819110932.007f7b10@a...> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 02:38:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" I am back. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Devon Jacobs {Darkstar}" To: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 7:09 AM Subject: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE > [08/19/2001] > > Incoming > Recruitment: > Chuck recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth on 5/2/01, 2 votes still remain. > > Player Status: > John Henry is still excused until further notice. > Matt Keppel is still excused until further notice. > Scott Morgan is still excused until further notice. > > ***IF you folks are ready to come back, you need to send me some mail!!!*** > > Callie Hammond has withdrawn from the game. > > > Notices: > The web pages have been updated, aside from Callie's withdrawl, they are > the correct current standings. Thanks Chuck! > > > > > > . > / \ > | | > |.| > |.| > |:| __ > ,_|:|_, / ) > (Oo / _I_ > +\ \ || __| > \ \||___| > \ /.:.\-\ > |.:. /-----\ > |___|::oOo::| > / |:<_T_>:| > |_____\ ::: / > | | \ \:/ > | | | | > \ / | \___ > / | \_____\ > `-' > -Devon Jacobs- > -Grand Silly Kniggit- > --Speaker of Our Nomic-- > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From sgamer@s... Mon Aug 20 05:52:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 20 Aug 2001 12:52:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 43744 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2001 12:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2001 12:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Aug 2001 12:52:00 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([65.68.132.177]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GID001SLAENB8@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:52:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:56:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <003201c12977$76dfa5a0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3.0.2.32.20010819110932.007f7b10@a...> <001101c073de$f0535160$9ecfcacf@s...> From: smartgamer Adam Norberg- activate account! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Risen" To: Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE > I am back. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Devon Jacobs {Darkstar}" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 7:09 AM > Subject: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE > > > > [08/19/2001] > > > > Incoming > > Recruitment: > > Chuck recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth on 5/2/01, 2 votes still remain. > > > > Player Status: > > John Henry is still excused until further notice. > > Matt Keppel is still excused until further notice. > > Scott Morgan is still excused until further notice. > > > > ***IF you folks are ready to come back, you need to send me some > mail!!!*** > > > > Callie Hammond has withdrawn from the game. > > > > > > Notices: > > The web pages have been updated, aside from Callie's withdrawl, they are > > the correct current standings. Thanks Chuck! > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > / \ > > | | > > |.| > > |.| > > |:| __ > > ,_|:|_, / ) > > (Oo / _I_ > > +\ \ || __| > > \ \||___| > > \ /.:.\-\ > > |.:. /-----\ > > |___|::oOo::| > > / |:<_T_>:| > > |_____\ ::: / > > | | \ \:/ > > | | | | > > \ / | \___ > > / | \_____\ > > `-' > > -Devon Jacobs- > > -Grand Silly Kniggit- > > --Speaker of Our Nomic-- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From sgamer@s... Mon Aug 20 06:08:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 20 Aug 2001 13:08:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 73798 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2001 13:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Aug 2001 13:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Aug 2001 13:07:39 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([65.68.132.177]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GID001MCB4NC4@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:07:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:11:36 -0500 Subject: PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <004801c12979$a47fb8e0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C1294F.BB0AFFE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: smartgamer ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C1294F.BB0AFFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since we're back up, let's start off with a new proposition. This one's an idea about a rule change, not a new rule. It will stomp on a whole lot of rules. It's up for debate under rule 303, meaning that it is up for vote (in whatever form it ends up in) in one week's time. I rarely do HTML mail, but I have to here; italic text is being removed, underlined text is to be added. 207. Voters may vote either for ,or against, or claim that it is "stupid" f= or any proposal within its prescribed voting period. A vote of "stupid" is = counted, for most purposes, as a NO, and is counted as such in all situatio= ns where not stated directly otherwise. In order to be legally cast, the vo= te must be received by the Speaker by the end of the prescribed voting peri= od. The Speaker may not reveal any votes until the end of the prescribed vo= ting period. Any Voter who does not legally vote within the prescribed voti= ng period shall be deemed to have abstained.=20 211. Voters who voted against proposals which are adopted receive 10 points= apiece., if that vote was "no." If the vote was "stupid," the voters LOSE = five(5) points apiece, as, if the proposition passes, it's obviously not st= upid. Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points plus a ra= ndom number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Players whose proposals = are not adopted shall lose 10no points, unless there are more "stupid" vote= s than "no" votes, in which case the proposer loses 15 points. Amended by 3= 15. 4/16/2000.=20 All that this proposal will do is dampen the effect of the penalty for a ba= d idea. People were becoming too afraid to create new proposals, for fear o= f the penalty. If this proposal passes, then only truly bad ideas will get = a penalty; others will be politely declined. The five point "stupid" vote p= enalty will keep people from throwing them around. If this rule is put in effect, we're going to see more motion on the boards= ! --Adam "SmartGamer" Norberg ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C1294F.BB0AFFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Since we're back up, let's start off with = a new=20 proposition.
This one's an idea about a rule change, no= t a new=20 rule.
It will stomp on a whole lot of rules.
 
It's up for debate under rule 303, meaning= that it=20 is up for vote
(in whatever form it ends up in) in one we= ek's=20 time.
 
I rarely do HTML mail, but I have to here;= italic=20 text is
being removed, underlined text is to be=20 added.
=  
207. Voters may= vote=20 either for ,or against, or claim that it=20 is "stupid" for any proposal within its prescribed voting per= iod.=20 A vote of "stupid" is counted, for most purposes, as a NO, and is counte= d as=20 such in all situations where not stated directly=20 otherwise. In order to be legally cast, the vote must be received = by=20 the Speaker by the end of the prescribed voting period. The Speaker may not= =20 reveal any votes until the end of the prescribed voting period. Any Voter w= ho=20 does not legally vote within the prescribed voting period shall be deemed t= o=20 have abstained.
211.=20 Voters who voted against proposals which are adopted receive 10 points=20 apiece., if that vote was "no." If the vote was=20 "stupid," the voters LOSE five(5) points apiece, as, if = ;the=20 proposition passes, it's obviously not stupid. Players whose propo= sals=20 are adopted shall receive 10 points plus a random number of points in the r= ange=20 1-10 inclusive. Players whose proposals are not adopted shall lose=20 10no points, unless there are more "stupid" votes than "= no"=20 votes, in which case the proposer loses 15 points. Amended by 315. 4/16/2000.
 
All that this proposal will do is dampen t= he effect=20 of the penalty for a bad idea. People were becoming too afraid to create ne= w=20 proposals, for fear of the penalty. If this proposal passes, then only trul= y bad=20 ideas will get a penalty; others will be politely declined. The five point= =20 "stupid" vote penalty will keep people from throwing them around.
=  
If this rule is put in effect, we're going= to see=20 more motion on the boards!
--Adam "SmartGamer"=20 Norberg
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C1294F.BB0AFFE0-- From chammond@i... Mon Aug 20 14:54:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: chammond@i... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 20 Aug 2001 21:54:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 15075 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2001 21:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2001 21:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.246) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Aug 2001 21:54:09 -0000 Received: from callie [209.42.249.68] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A71612B000D4; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:54:30 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c129c2$c0da22c0$44f92ad1@callie> To: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:54:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C129A1.38C51C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Callie Hammond" ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C129A1.38C51C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You all probably want to take me off of the mailing list. Callie Hammond Fuquay-Varina, NC=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C129A1.38C51C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You all probably want to take me off of the mailing=20 list.
 
Callie Hammond
Fuquay-Varina, NC=20
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C129A1.38C51C80-- From jae4@h... Mon Aug 20 15:18:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jae4@h... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 20 Aug 2001 22:18:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 84014 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2001 22:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2001 22:18:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.116) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Aug 2001 22:18:27 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:18:25 -0700 Received: from 208.170.72.23 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:18:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.170.72.23] To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:18:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2001 22:18:25.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[07DF4260:01C129C6] From: "Jeffrey Ellsworth" hello all, oh no summers over! >From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} >Reply-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com >To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [on_discussion] NOMIC UPDATE >Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:09:32 -0400 > >[08/19/2001] > >Incoming > Recruitment: > Chuck recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth on 5/2/01, 2 votes still remain. > > Player Status: > John Henry is still excused until further notice. > Matt Keppel is still excused until further notice. > Scott Morgan is still excused until further notice. > > ***IF you folks are ready to come back, you need to send me some >mail!!!*** > > Callie Hammond has withdrawn from the game. > > > Notices: > The web pages have been updated, aside from Callie's withdrawl, they are >the correct current standings. Thanks Chuck! > > > > > > . > / \ > | | > |.| > |.| > |:| __ >,_|:|_, / ) > (Oo / _I_ > +\ \ || __| > \ \||___| > \ /.:.\-\ > |.:. /-----\ > |___|::oOo::| > / |:<_T_>:| > |_____\ ::: / > | | \ \:/ > | | | | > \ / | \___ > / | \_____\ > `-' > -Devon Jacobs- > -Grand Silly Kniggit- >--Speaker of Our Nomic-- > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From djacobs@n... Tue Aug 21 05:17:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 21 Aug 2001 12:17:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 10410 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2001 12:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2001 12:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Aug 2001 12:16:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 17538 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2001 12:17:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (209.2.153.136) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 21 Aug 2001 12:17:04 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010821081653.007fcd20@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:16:53 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE In-Reply-To: <004801c12979$a47fb8e0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Adam, neat twist on the results of casting a vote... the only thing that concerns me is using "stupid" for the other type of vote... having a whole bunch of people call your proposal stupid can be just as intimidating as getting it voted down in the first place. OurNomic is composed of a wide age range of players, and while I am but an old geezer, and could care less if someone thinks my prop is stupid, some of our younger players might not take it so well. while the rule structure is good, and it may work out better in the end to have a yes (+score), no (0 score), and penalty (-score) vote, can we come up with some different wording for it??? also, the only one who sees the votes is me, therefore the only one who would see the explanation for why a prop is "stupid" is me, it wouldn't let the other players know why it was deemed stupid in the first place... hopefully, folks would have spoken up in the message board and said... 'hey that's stupid, why don't you try this to make it better...' like I'm doing now ;-) At 08:11 AM 8/20/01 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Since we're back up, let's start off with a new proposition. This one's an idea about a rule change, not a new rule. It will stomp on a whole lot of rules. It's up for debate under rule 303, meaning that it is up for vote (in whatever form it ends up in) in one week's time. I rarely do HTML mail, but I have to here; italic text is being removed, underlined text is to be added. 207. Voters may vote either for ,or against, or claim that it is "stupid" for any proposal within its prescribed voting period. A vote of "stupid" is counted, for most purposes, as a NO, and is counted as such in all situations where not stated directly otherwise. In order to be legally cast, the vote must be received by the Speaker by the end of the prescribed voting period. The Speaker may not reveal any votes until the end of the prescribed voting period. Any Voter who does not legally vote within the prescribed voting period shall be deemed to have abstained. 211. Voters who voted against proposals which are adopted receive 10 points apiece., if that vote was "no." If the vote was "stupid," the voters LOSE five(5) points apiece, as, if the proposition passes, it's obviously not stupid. Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points plus a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Players whose proposals are not adopted shall lose 10no points, unless there are more "stupid" votes than "no" votes, in which case the proposer loses 15 points. Amended by <315. 4/16/2000. All that this proposal will do is dampen the effect of the penalty for a bad idea. People were becoming too afraid to create new proposals, for fear of the penalty. If this proposal passes, then only truly bad ideas will get a penalty; others will be politely declined. The five point "stupid" vote penalty will keep people from throwing them around. If this rule is put in effect, we're going to see more motion on the boards! --Adam "SmartGamer" Norberg
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X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 21 Aug 2001 12:44:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 84355 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2001 12:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2001 12:43:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.28) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Aug 2001 12:43:50 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([65.68.132.177]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GIF00DML4P1U3@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:43:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:47:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <002901c12a3f$7e0be6e0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C12A15.94C060C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3.0.2.32.20010821081653.007fcd20@a...> From: smartgamer ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C12A15.94C060C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK... how about "Yes," "No," "Unacceptable?" --SmartGamer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar}=20 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE Adam, neat twist on the results of casting a vote...=20 the only thing that concerns me is using "stupid" for the other type of v= ote... having a whole bunch of people call your proposal stupid can be just= as intimidating as getting it voted down in the first place. OurNomic is c= omposed of a wide age range of players, and while I am but an old geezer, a= nd could care less if someone thinks my prop is stupid, some of our younger= players might not take it so well. while the rule structure is good, and i= t may work out better in the end to have a yes (+score), no (0 score), and = penalty (-score) vote, can we come up with some different wording for it???= =20 also, the only one who sees the votes is me, therefore the only one who w= ould see the explanation for why a prop is "stupid" is me, it wouldn't let = the other players know why it was deemed stupid in the first place... hopef= ully, folks would have spoken up in the message board and said... 'hey that= 's stupid, why don't you try this to make it better...' like I'm doing now = ;-)=20 At 08:11 AM 8/20/01 -0500, you wrote:=20 >>>> Since we're back up, let's start off with a new proposition. This one's an idea about a rule change, not a new rule. It will stomp on a whole lot of rules. It's up for debate under rule 303, meaning that it is up for vote (in whatever form it ends up in) in one week's time. I rarely do HTML mail, but I have to here; italic text is being removed, underlined text is to be added. 207. Voters may vote either for ,or against, or claim that it is "stupi= d" for any proposal within its prescribed voting period. A vote of "stupid"= is counted, for most purposes, as a NO, and is counted as such in all situ= ations where not stated directly otherwise. In order to be legally cast, th= e vote must be received by the Speaker by the end of the prescribed voting = period. The Speaker may not reveal any votes until the end of the prescribe= d voting period. Any Voter who does not legally vote within the prescribed = voting period shall be deemed to have abstained.=20 211. Voters who voted against proposals which are adopted receive 10 po= ints apiece., if that vote was "no." If the vote was "stupid," the voters L= OSE five(5) points apiece, as, if the proposition passes, it's obviously no= t stupid. Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points plus = a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Players whose propos= als are not adopted shall lose 10no points, unless there are more "stupid" = votes than "no" votes, in which case the proposer loses 15 points. Amended = by 315. 4/16/= 2000.=20 All that this proposal will do is dampen the effect of the penalty for = a bad idea. People were becoming too afraid to create new proposals, for fe= ar of the penalty. If this proposal passes, then only truly bad ideas will = get a penalty; others will be politely declined. The five point "stupid" vo= te penalty will keep people from throwing them around. If this rule is put in effect, we're going to see more motion on the bo= ards! --Adam "SmartGamer" Norberg Yahoo! 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OK... how about "Yes," "No,"=20 "Unacceptable?"
--SmartGamer
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Fro= m:=20 Devo= n Jacobs=20 {Darkstar}
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Adam,

neat twist on the results of casting a vote..= .=20
the only thing that concerns me is using "stupid" for the other type = of=20 vote... having a whole bunch of people call your proposal stupid can be j= ust=20 as intimidating as getting it voted down in the first place. OurNomic is= =20 composed of a wide age range of players, and while I am but an old geezer= , and=20 could care less if someone thinks my prop is stupid, some of our younger= =20 players might not take it so well. while the rule structure is good, and = it=20 may work out better in the end to have a yes (+score), no (0 score), and= =20 penalty (-score) vote, can we come up with some different wording for it?= ??=20
also, the only one who sees the votes is me, therefore the only one w= ho=20 would see the explanation for why a prop is "stupid" is me, it wouldn't l= et=20 the other players know why it was deemed stupid in the first place...=20 hopefully, folks would have spoken up in the message board and said... 'h= ey=20 that's stupid, why don't you try this to make it better...' like I'm doin= g now=20 ;-)



At 08:11 AM 8/20/01 -0500, you wrote:=20
>>>>
Since we're back up, let's start off with a new=20 proposition.
This one's an idea about a rule change, not a new=20 rule.
It will stomp on a whole lot of rules.

It's up for deba= te=20 under rule 303, meaning that it is up for vote
(in whatever form it = ends=20 up in) in one week's time.

I rarely do HTML mail, but I have to = here;=20 italic text is
being removed, underlined text is to be added.
207.=20 Voters may vote either for ,or against, or clai= m=20 that it is "stupid" for any proposal within its prescribed voting=20 period. A vote of "stupid" is counted, for most purposes, as a NO, a= nd is=20 counted as such in all situations where not stated directly otherwise.<= /U>=20 In order to be legally cast, the vote must be received by the Speaker b= y the=20 end of the prescribed voting period. The Speaker may not reveal any vot= es=20 until the end of the prescribed voting period. Any Voter who does not=20 legally vote within the prescribed voting period shall be deemed to hav= e=20 abstained.

211. Voters who voted against proposals which are ad= opted=20 receive 10 points apiece., if that vote was "no." If the vote= was=20 "stupid," the voters LOSE five(5) points apiece, as, if the proposition= =20 passes, it's obviously not stupid. Players whose proposals are adop= ted=20 shall receive 10 points plus a random number of points in the range 1-1= 0=20 inclusive. Players whose proposals are not adopted shall lose=20 10no points, unless there are more "stupid" votes than= "no"=20 votes, in which case the proposer loses 15 points. Amended by=20 <http://humber.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/ruleset.htm#315>315= .=20 4/16/2000.

All that this proposal will do is dampen the effect = of=20 the penalty for a bad idea. People were becoming too afraid to create n= ew=20 proposals, for fear of the penalty. If this proposal passes, then only = truly=20 bad ideas will get a penalty; others will be politely declined. The fiv= e=20 point "stupid" vote penalty will keep people from throwing them=20 around.

If this rule is put in effect, we're going to see more m= otion=20 on the boards!
--Adam "SmartGamer" Norberg

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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C12A15.94C060C0-- From brian_lord@i... Tue Aug 21 07:46:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Brian_Lord@i... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 21 Aug 2001 14:46:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 59369 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2001 14:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2001 14:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cleapp.idx.com) (192.107.145.173) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Aug 2001 14:44:36 -0000 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Cc: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:44:31 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CLEAPP/CLE/IDX1(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 08/21/2001 10:44:35 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=85256AAF00509D9C8f9e8a93df938690918c85256AAF00509D9C" Content-Disposition: inline From: brian_lord@i... --0__=85256AAF00509D9C8f9e8a93df938690918c85256AAF00509D9C Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually since we seem to have a serious slow down of people putting out new propositions I see this as a hinderence to the game. Aside from the fact that silly, insane and just plain funny propositions are part of the fun of the game. I think such a change in the voting structure would be very detrimental to the game. "Heard about the Buddist monk that got his tooth fixed without novicane. Yep he said he wanted to Trancend Dental medication." smartgamer cc: (bcc: Brian Lord/BOSTON/IDX1) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE 08/21/01 08:47 AM Please respond to on_discussion OK... how about "Yes," "No," "Unacceptable?" --SmartGamer ----- Original Message ----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE Adam, neat twist on the results of casting a vote... the only thing that concerns me is using "stupid" for the other type of vote... having a whole bunch of people call your proposal stupid can be just as intimidating as getting it voted down in the first place. OurNomic is composed of a wide age range of players, and while I am but an old geezer, and could care less if someone thinks my prop is stupid, some of our younger players might not take it so well. while the rule structure is good, and it may work out better in the end to have a yes (+score), no (0 score), and penalty (-score) vote, can we come up with some different wording for it??? also, the only one who sees the votes is me, therefore the only one who would see the explanation for why a prop is "stupid" is me, it wouldn't let the other players know why it was deemed stupid in the first place... hopefully, folks would have spoken up in the message board and said... 'hey that's stupid, why don't you try this to make it better...' like I'm doing now ;-) At 08:11 AM 8/20/01 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Since we're back up, let's start off with a new proposition. This one's an idea about a rule change, not a new rule. It will stomp on a whole lot of rules. It's up for debate under rule 303, meaning that it is up for vote (in whatever form it ends up in) in one week's time. I rarely do HTML mail, but I have to here; italic text is being removed, underlined text is to be added. 207. Voters may vote either for ,or against, or claim that it is "stupid" for any proposal within its prescribed voting period. A vote of "stupid" is counted, for most purposes, as a NO, and is counted as such in all situations where not stated directly otherwise. In order to be legally cast, the vote must be received by the Speaker by the end of the prescribed voting period. The Speaker may not reveal any votes until the end of the prescribed voting period. Any Voter who does not legally vote within the prescribed voting period shall be deemed to have abstained. 211. Voters who voted against proposals which are adopted receive 10 points apiece., if that vote was "no." If the vote was "stupid," the voters LOSE five(5) points apiece, as, if the proposition passes, it's obviously not stupid. Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points plus a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Players whose proposals are not adopted shall lose 10no points, unless there are more "stupid" votes than "no" votes, in which case the proposer loses 15 points. Amended by 315. 4/16/2000. All that this proposal will do is dampen the effect of the penalty for a bad idea. People were becoming too afraid to create new proposals, for fear of the penalty. If this proposal passes, then only truly bad ideas will get a penalty; others will be politely declined. The five point "stupid" vote penalty will keep people from throwing them around. If this rule is put in effect, we're going to see more motion on the boards! --Adam "SmartGamer" Norberg Yahoo! 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X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 21 Aug 2001 14:53:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 36170 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2001 14:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Aug 2001 14:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.28) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Aug 2001 14:52:20 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([65.68.132.177]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GIF00LP0AN6P9@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:52:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:56:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <000c01c12a51$6ea66240$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C12A27.84E55E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: From: smartgamer ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C12A27.84E55E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, it's not that. This way, a prop could be voted down with no penalty, so people would put more in.Since there's that risk in voting "bad idea," it would only be done when applied- a rule like "Adam Norberg wins this and all games of Our Nomic" would be voted as "bad idea," and probably unanimously. A rule like a subgame that people just don't want to = play but sounds fun anyway would get a normal "no," with no penalty. This rule makes it so people would put in MORE rules! --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: brian_lord@i...=20 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE Actually since we seem to have a serious slow down of people putting out new propositions I see this as a hinderence to the game. Aside from the fact that silly, insane and just plain funny propositions are part of the fun of the game. I think such a change in the voting structure would be very detrimental to the game. "Heard about the Buddist monk that got his tooth fixed without novicane. Yep he said he wanted to Trancend Dental medication." = = =20 smartgamer = = =20 cc: (bcc: Brian Lord/BOSTON/= IDX1) = =20 Subject: Re: [on_discussion]= PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 08/21/01 = = =20 08:47 AM = = =20 Please = = =20 respond to = = =20 on_discussion = = =20 = = =20 = = =20 OK... how about "Yes," "No," "Unacceptable?" --SmartGamer ----- Original Message ----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE Adam, neat twist on the results of casting a vote... the only thing that concerns me is using "stupid" for the other type of vote... having a whole bunch of people call your proposal stupid can be just as intimidating as getting it voted down in the first place. OurNomi= c is composed of a wide age range of players, and while I am but an old geezer, and could care less if someone thinks my prop is stupid, some of our younger players might not take it so well. while the rule structure i= s good, and it may work out better in the end to have a yes (+score), no (0 score), and penalty (-score) vote, can we come up with some different wording for it??? also, the only one who sees the votes is me, therefore the only one who would see the explanation for why a prop is "stupid" is me, it wouldn't l= et the other players know why it was deemed stupid in the first place... hopefully, folks would have spoken up in the message board and said... 'h= ey that's stupid, why don't you try this to make it better...' like I'm doin= g now ;-) At 08:11 AM 8/20/01 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Since we're back up, let's start off with a new proposition. This one's an idea about a rule change, not a new rule. It will stomp on a whole lot of rules. It's up for debate under rule 303, meaning that it is up for vote (in whatever form it ends up in) in one week's time. I rarely do HTML mail, but I have to here; italic text is being removed, underlined text is to be added. 207. Voters may vote either for ,or against, or claim that it is "stupid" for any proposal within its prescribed voting period. A vote of "stupid" is counted, for most purposes, as a NO, and is counted as such i= n all situations where not stated directly otherwise. In order to be legall= y cast, the vote must be received by the Speaker by the end of the prescrib= ed voting period. The Speaker may not reveal any votes until the end of the prescribed voting period. Any Voter who does not legally vote within the prescribed voting period shall be deemed to have abstained. 211. Voters who voted against proposals which are adopted receive 10 points apiece., if that vote was "no." If the vote was "stupid," the vote= rs LOSE five(5) points apiece, as, if the proposition passes, it's obviously not stupid. Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points plus a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Players whose proposals are not adopted shall lose 10no points, unless there are more "stupid" votes than "no" votes, in which case the proposer loses 15 point= s. Amended by 315. 4/16/2000. All that this proposal will do is dampen the effect of the penalty fo= r a bad idea. People were becoming too afraid to create new proposals, for fear of the penalty. If this proposal passes, then only truly bad ideas will get a penalty; others will be politely declined. The five point "stupid" vote penalty will keep people from throwing them around. If this rule is put in effect, we're going to see more motion on the boards! --Adam "SmartGamer" Norberg Yahoo! 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No, it's not that. This way, a prop could = be voted=20 down with no penalty,
so people would put more in.Since there's = that risk=20 in voting "bad idea,"
it would only be done when applied- a rule= like=20 "Adam Norberg wins
this and all games of Our Nomic" would be = voted as=20 "bad idea," and
probably unanimously. A rule like a s= ubgame=20 that people just don't want to play
but sounds fun anyway would get a normal "= no," with=20 no penalty. This rule
makes it so people would put in MORE=20 rules!
--Adam Norberg
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 brian_lord@i...
To: on_discussion@y...= om=20
Cc: on_discussion@y...= om=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:4= 4=20 AM
Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPO= SITION=20 ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE


Actually since we seem to have a serious slow down of= =20 people putting out
new propositions I see this as a hinderence to the = game.=20 Aside from the
fact that silly, insane and just plain funny propositio= ns=20 are part of the
fun of the game. I think such a change in the voting=20 structure would be
very detrimental to the game.

"Heard about t= he=20 Buddist monk that got his tooth fixed without novicane.
Yep he said he= =20 wanted to Trancend Dental=20 medication."





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OK... how about "Yes," "No,"=20 "Unacceptable?"
--SmartGamer
  ----- Original Message=20 -----
  From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar}
  To:=20 on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:= 16=20 AM
  Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR=20 DEBATE


  Adam,

  neat twist on the results of= =20 casting a vote...
  the only thing that concerns me is using "stu= pid"=20 for the other type of
vote... having a whole bunch of people call your= =20 proposal stupid can be
just as intimidating as getting it voted down i= n the=20 first place. OurNomic
is composed of a wide age range of players, and = while=20 I am but an old
geezer, and could care less if someone thinks my prop = is=20 stupid, some of
our younger players might not take it so well. while t= he=20 rule structure is
good, and it may work out better in the end to have = a yes=20 (+score), no (0
score), and penalty (-score) vote, can we come up with= some=20 different
wording for it???
  also, the only one who sees the = votes=20 is me, therefore the only one who
would see the explanation for why a = prop=20 is "stupid" is me, it wouldn't let
the other players know why it was d= eemed=20 stupid in the first place...
hopefully, folks would have spoken up in = the=20 message board and said... 'hey
that's stupid, why don't you try this t= o=20 make it better...' like I'm doing
now ;-)



  At 08:= 11 AM=20 8/20/01 -0500, you wrote:
  >>>>

  &= nbsp;=20 Since we're back up, let's start off with a new=20 proposition.
    This one's an idea about a rule change= , not=20 a new rule.
    It will stomp on a whole lot of=20 rules.

    It's up for debate under rule 303, meani= ng=20 that it is up for vote
    (in whatever form it ends up= in)=20 in one week's time.

    I rarely do HTML mail, but = I=20 have to here; italic text is
    being removed, underli= ned=20 text is to be added.

    207. Voters may vote eithe= r for=20 ,or against, or claim that it is
"stupid" for any proposal within its= =20 prescribed voting period. A vote of
"stupid" is counted, for most purp= oses,=20 as a NO, and is counted as such in
all situations where not stated dir= ectly=20 otherwise. In order to be legally
cast, the vote must be received by t= he=20 Speaker by the end of the prescribed
voting period. The Speaker may no= t=20 reveal any votes until the end of the
prescribed voting period. Any Vo= ter=20 who does not legally vote within the
prescribed voting period shall be= =20 deemed to have abstained.

    211. Voters who voted= =20 against proposals which are adopted receive 10
points apiece., if that= vote=20 was "no." If the vote was "stupid," the voters
LOSE five(5) points api= ece,=20 as, if the proposition passes, it's obviously
not stupid. Players whos= e=20 proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points
plus a random number of= =20 points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Players whose
proposals are not ad= opted=20 shall lose 10no points, unless there are more
"stupid" votes than "no"= =20 votes, in which case the proposer loses 15 points.
Amended by=20 <http://humber.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/ruleset.htm#315
>3= 15.=20 4/16/2000.

    All that this proposal will do is da= mpen=20 the effect of the penalty for
a bad idea. People were becoming too afr= aid=20 to create new proposals, for
fear of the penalty. If this proposal pas= ses,=20 then only truly bad ideas
will get a penalty; others will be politely= =20 declined. The five point
"stupid" vote penalty will keep people from=20 throwing them around.

    If this rule is put in ef= fect,=20 we're going to see more motion on the
boards!
    --= Adam=20 "SmartGamer" Norberg

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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C12A27.84E55E00-- From falcon.arendell@w... Tue Aug 21 08:06:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: falcon.arendell@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 21 Aug 2001 15:06:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 77733 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2001 15:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2001 15:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pmesmtp02.wcom.com) (199.249.20.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Aug 2001 15:04:01 -0000 Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GIF00LFTB5XFD@f...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:03:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GIF00A01B5ND9@p...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:03:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cay60966 ([166.44.65.124]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GIF008EEB5AAX@p...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:03:11 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:03:09 -0400 Subject: RE: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE In-reply-to: <000c01c12a51$6ea66240$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <01b901c12a52$646bb630$7c412ca6@cay60966> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_IyK8XgnfVyfP1rtKXaXKRQ)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: Falcon Arendell --Boundary_(ID_IyK8XgnfVyfP1rtKXaXKRQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I agree with Adam. I think that if there were less chance of a penalty, more props would be submitted. His prop would still make people careful about putting in extraneous props for fear of a =93stupid=94 rating, but borderline props (a prop that has several people supporting it but could go either way) could see the light of day and be voted on. __________________________ Falcon Arendell "...of course I could be wrong." LEM -----Original Message----- From: smartgamer [mailto:sgamer@s...] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:56 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE No, it's not that. This way, a prop could be voted down with no penalty, so people would put more in.Since there's that risk in voting "bad idea," it would only be done when applied- a rule like "Adam Norberg wins this and all games of Our Nomic" would be voted as "bad idea," and probably unanimously. A rule like a subgame that people just don't want to play but sounds fun anyway would get a normal "no," with no penalty. This rule makes it so people would put in MORE rules! --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message ----- From: brian_lord@i... To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Cc: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE Actually since we seem to have a serious slow down of people putting out new propositions I see this as a hinderence to the game. Aside from the fact that silly, insane and just plain funny propositions are part of the fun of the game. I think such a change in the voting structure would be very detrimental to the game. "Heard about the Buddist monk that got his tooth fixed without novicane. Yep he said he wanted to Trancend Dental medication." smartgamer cc: (bcc: Brian Lord/BOSTON/IDX1) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE 08/21/01 08:47 AM Please respond to on_discussion OK... how about "Yes," "No," "Unacceptable?" --SmartGamer ----- Original Message ----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE Adam, neat twist on the results of casting a vote... the only thing that concerns me is using "stupid" for the other type of vote... having a whole bunch of people call your proposal stupid can be just as intimidating as getting it voted down in the first place. OurNomic is composed of a wide age range of players, and while I am but an old geezer, and could care less if someone thinks my prop is stupid, some of our younger players might not take it so well. while the rule structure is good, and it may work out better in the end to have a yes (+score), no (0 score), and penalty (-score) vote, can we come up with some different wording for it??? also, the only one who sees the votes is me, therefore the only one who would see the explanation for why a prop is "stupid" is me, it wouldn't let the other players know why it was deemed stupid in the first place... hopefully, folks would have spoken up in the message board and said... 'hey that's stupid, why don't you try this to make it better...' like I'm doing now ;-) At 08:11 AM 8/20/01 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Since we're back up, let's start off with a new proposition. This one's an idea about a rule change, not a new rule. It will stomp on a whole lot of rules. It's up for debate under rule 303, meaning that it is up for vote (in whatever form it ends up in) in one week's time. I rarely do HTML mail, but I have to here; italic text is being removed, underlined text is to be added. 207. Voters may vote either for ,or against, or claim that it is "stupid" for any proposal within its prescribed voting period. A vote of "stupid" is counted, for most purposes, as a NO, and is counted as such in all situations where not stated directly otherwise. In order to be legally cast, the vote must be received by the Speaker by the end of the prescribed voting period. The Speaker may not reveal any votes until the end of the prescribed voting period. Any Voter who does not legally vote within the prescribed voting period shall be deemed to have abstained. 211. Voters who voted against proposals which are adopted receive 10 points apiece., if that vote was "no." If the vote was "stupid," the voters LOSE five(5) points apiece, as, if the proposition passes, it's obviously not stupid. Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points plus a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Players whose proposals are not adopted shall lose 10no points, unless there are more "stupid" votes than "no" votes, in which case the proposer loses 15 points. Amended by 315. 4/16/2000. All that this proposal will do is dampen the effect of the penalty for a bad idea. People were becoming too afraid to create new proposals, for fear of the penalty. If this proposal passes, then only truly bad ideas will get a penalty; others will be politely declined. The five point "stupid" vote penalty will keep people from throwing them around. If this rule is put in effect, we're going to see more motion on the boards! --Adam "SmartGamer" Norberg Yahoo! 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I ag= ree with Adam.  I think that if t= here were less chance of a penalty, more props would be submitted.  His prop would still make people careful about putting in extraneous props for fear of a “stupid”= ; rating, but borderline props (a prop that has several people supporting it but could go either way) could see the light of day and be voted on.

 

= __________________________

= Falcon Arendell

=  

= "...of course I could be wrong.&= quot;

= LEM<= span style=3D'color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'>

 

-----Original Message-----
From: smartgamer [mailto:sgamer@s...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 20= 01 10:56 AM
To: on_discussion@yahoogroup= s.com
Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE

 <= /o:p>

No, it's not that. This way, a prop could be voted down with no penalty,=

so people would put more in.Since there's that risk in voting "bad idea,"

it would only be done when applied- a rule like "Adam Norberg wins=

this and all games of Our Nomic" would be voted as "bad idea," an= d

probably unanimously. A rule like a subgame that people just don't want to play=

but sounds fun anyway would get a normal "no," with no penalty. This rule

makes it so people would put in MORE rules!

--Adam Norberg

----- Original Message -----

To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com <= /span>

Cc: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com <= /span>

Sent: Tuesday, August 2= 1, 2001 9:44 AM

Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE

 


Actually since we seem to have a serious slow down of people putting out new propositions I see this as a hinderence to the game. Aside from the
fact that silly, insane and just plain funny propositions are part of the fun of the game. I think such a change in the voting structure would be
very detrimental to the game.

"Heard about the Buddist monk that got his tooth fixed without novican= e.
Yep he said he wanted to Trancend Dental medication."





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OK... how about "Yes," "No," "Unacceptable?"<= br> --SmartGamer
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar}
  To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE


  Adam,

  neat twist on the results of casting a vote...
  the only thing that concerns me is using "stupid" for the other type of
vote... having a whole bunch of people call your proposal stupid can be
just as intimidating as getting it voted down in the first place. OurNomic<= br> is composed of a wide age range of players, and while I am but an old
geezer, and could care less if someone thinks my prop is stupid, some of our younger players might not take it so well. while the rule structure is<= br> good, and it may work out better in the end to have a yes (+score), no (0 score), and penalty (-score) vote, can we come up with some different
wording for it???
  also, the only one who sees the votes is me, therefore the only one = who
would see the explanation for why a prop is "stupid" is me, it wouldn't let
the other players know why it was deemed stupid in the first place...
hopefully, folks would have spoken up in the message board and said... 'hey=
that's stupid, why don't you try this to make it better...' like I'm doing<= br> now ;-)



  At 08:11 AM 8/20/01 -0500, you wrote:
  >>>>

    Since we're back up, let's start off with a new proposit= ion.
    This one's an idea about a rule change, not a new rule.<= br>     It will stomp on a whole lot of rules.

    It's up for debate under rule 303, meaning that it is up= for vote
    (in whatever form it ends up in) in one week's time.

    I rarely do HTML mail, but I have to here; italic text i= s
    being removed, underlined text is to be added.

    207. Voters may vote either for ,or against, or claim th= at it is
"stupid" for any proposal within its prescribed voting period. A = vote of
"stupid" is counted, for most purposes, as a NO, and is counted a= s such in
all situations where not stated directly otherwise. In order to be legally<= br> cast, the vote must be received by the Speaker by the end of the prescribed=
voting period. The Speaker may not reveal any votes until the end of the prescribed voting period. Any Voter who does not legally vote within the prescribed voting period shall be deemed to have abstained.

    211. Voters who voted against proposals which are adopte= d receive 10
points apiece., if that vote was "no." If the vote was "stupid," the voters
LOSE five(5) points apiece, as, if the proposition passes, it's obviously not stupid. Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points
plus a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Players whose proposals are not adopted shall lose 10no points, unless there are more
"stupid" votes than "no" votes, in which case the propo= ser loses 15 points.
Amended by <http://humber.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/ruleset.htm#315=
>315. 4/16/2000.

    All that this proposal will do is dampen the effect of t= he penalty for
a bad idea. People were becoming too afraid to create new proposals, for fear of the penalty. If this proposal passes, then only truly bad ideas
will get a penalty; others will be politely declined. The five point
"stupid" vote penalty will keep people from throwing them around.=

    If this rule is put in effect, we're going to see more motion on the
boards!
    --Adam "SmartGamer" Norberg

    Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
    ADVERTISEMENT
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  |:| __
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  / |:<_T_>:|
  |_____\ ::: /
  | | \ \:/
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Message-ID: <005201c0764f$290bb160$9ecfcacf@s...> To: References: <01b901c12a52$646bb630$7c412ca6@cay60966> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 05:06:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C0760C.1AAE75A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C0760C.1AAE75A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really like the idea. As a newbie, I am a bit intimidated abouting puttin= g up my first prop - I could lose points and I don't yet know how important= that is. I think the loss of 5 points for voting "stupid" on a prop that p= assed is too harsh though. I think making it no points or +5 points (instea= d of +10) would be better. My biggest hangup, however is the wording. How a= bout this: 211. Voters who voted against "no" on proposals which are adopted receive= 10 points apiece. Voters who voted "stupid" on proposals which are adopted= receive 5 points apiece. Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive= 10 points plus a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Play= ers whose proposals are not adopted shall lose 10 no points, unless there a= re more "stupid" votes than "no" votes, in which case the proposer loses 15= points. Amended by 315. 4/16/2000. The wording of "stupid" doesn't bother me, but I'm old enough to handle it.= Other words I can think of are "silly" and "trivial". I'm ok with any of t= hem (but I like the harshness of "stupid" personally ;) ) -Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Falcon Arendell=20 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:03 AM Subject: RE: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE I agree with Adam. I think that if there were less chance of a penalty, = more props would be submitted. His prop would still make people careful ab= out putting in extraneous props for fear of a "stupid" rating, but borderli= ne props (a prop that has several people supporting it but could go either = way) could see the light of day and be voted on. =20=20=20 __________________________ Falcon Arendell =20=20=20 "...of course I could be wrong." LEM =20=20=20 -----Original Message----- From: smartgamer [mailto:sgamer@s...] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:56 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE =20=20=20 No, it's not that. This way, a prop could be voted down with no penalty, so people would put more in.Since there's that risk in voting "bad idea," it would only be done when applied- a rule like "Adam Norberg wins this and all games of Our Nomic" would be voted as "bad idea," and probably unanimously. A rule like a subgame that people just don't want t= o play but sounds fun anyway would get a normal "no," with no penalty. This rule makes it so people would put in MORE rules! --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: brian_lord@i...=20 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE =20=20=20 Actually since we seem to have a serious slow down of people putting out new propositions I see this as a hinderence to the game. Aside from the fact that silly, insane and just plain funny propositions are part of the fun of the game. I think such a change in the voting structure would be very detrimental to the game. "Heard about the Buddist monk that got his tooth fixed without novicane. Yep he said he wanted to Trancend Dental medication." = = =20 smartgamer = = =20 cc: (bcc: Brian Lord/BOSTON/= IDX1) = =20 Subject: Re: [on_discussion]= PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 08/21/01 = = =20 08:47 AM = = =20 Please = = =20 respond to = = =20 on_discussion = = =20 = = =20 = = =20 OK... how about "Yes," "No," "Unacceptable?" --SmartGamer ----- Original Message ----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE Adam, neat twist on the results of casting a vote... the only thing that concerns me is using "stupid" for the other type of vote... having a whole bunch of people call your proposal stupid can be just as intimidating as getting it voted down in the first place. OurNomi= c is composed of a wide age range of players, and while I am but an old geezer, and could care less if someone thinks my prop is stupid, some of our younger players might not take it so well. while the rule structure i= s good, and it may work out better in the end to have a yes (+score), no (0 score), and penalty (-score) vote, can we come up with some different wording for it??? also, the only one who sees the votes is me, therefore the only one who would see the explanation for why a prop is "stupid" is me, it wouldn't l= et the other players know why it was deemed stupid in the first place... hopefully, folks would have spoken up in the message board and said... 'h= ey that's stupid, why don't you try this to make it better...' like I'm doin= g now ;-) At 08:11 AM 8/20/01 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Since we're back up, let's start off with a new proposition. This one's an idea about a rule change, not a new rule. It will stomp on a whole lot of rules. It's up for debate under rule 303, meaning that it is up for vote (in whatever form it ends up in) in one week's time. I rarely do HTML mail, but I have to here; italic text is being removed, underlined text is to be added. 207. Voters may vote either for ,or against, or claim that it is "stupid" for any proposal within its prescribed voting period. A vote of "stupid" is counted, for most purposes, as a NO, and is counted as such i= n all situations where not stated directly otherwise. In order to be legall= y cast, the vote must be received by the Speaker by the end of the prescrib= ed voting period. The Speaker may not reveal any votes until the end of the prescribed voting period. Any Voter who does not legally vote within the prescribed voting period shall be deemed to have abstained. 211. Voters who voted against proposals which are adopted receive 10 points apiece., if that vote was "no." If the vote was "stupid," the vote= rs LOSE five(5) points apiece, as, if the proposition passes, it's obviously not stupid. Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points plus a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Players whose proposals are not adopted shall lose 10no points, unless there are more "stupid" votes than "no" votes, in which case the proposer loses 15 point= s. Amended by 315. 4/16/2000. All that this proposal will do is dampen the effect of the penalty fo= r a bad idea. People were becoming too afraid to create new proposals, for fear of the penalty. If this proposal passes, then only truly bad ideas will get a penalty; others will be politely declined. The five point "stupid" vote penalty will keep people from throwing them around. If this rule is put in effect, we're going to see more motion on the boards! --Adam "SmartGamer" Norberg Yahoo! 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I really like the idea. As a newbie, I am = a bit=20 intimidated abouting putting up my first prop - I could lose points and I d= on't=20 yet know how important that is. I think the loss of 5 points for voting "st= upid"=20 on a prop that passed is too harsh though. I think making it no points or += 5=20 points (instead of +10) would be better. My biggest hangup, however is the= =20 wording. How about this:
 
211.=20 Voters who voted against "no" on= =20 proposals which are adopted receive 10 points apiece. Voters = who=20 voted "stupid" on proposals which are adopted receive 5 points=20 apiece. Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive 10 poi= nts=20 plus a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Players whose= =20 proposals are not adopted shall lose 10= =20 no points, unless there are more "stupid" votes than "no"= =20 votes, in which case the proposer loses 15 points. Amended by = 315.=20 4/16/2000.
The wording of "stupid" doesn't = bother me,=20 but I'm old enough to handle it. Other words I can think of are "silly"=20 and "trivial". I'm ok with any of them (but I like the harshness of=20 "stupid" personally ;) )
 
    -Mark<= /DIV>
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Falcon Arendell
To: on_discussion@y...= om=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:0= 3=20 AM
Subject: RE: [on_discussion] PROPO= SITION=20 ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE

I=20 agree with Adam.  I think t= hat if=20 there were less chance of a penalty, more props would be submitted.  His prop would still make peopl= e=20 careful about putting in extraneous props for fear of a “stupidR= 21; rating, but=20 borderline props (a prop that has several people supporting it but could = go=20 either way) could see the light of day and be voted=20 on.

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LEM

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-----Origina= l=20 Message-----
From: sma= rtgamer=20 [mailto:sgamer@s...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:= 56=20 AM
To:=20 on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
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probably=20 unanimously. A rule like a subgame that people just don't want to=20 play

----- Origina= l=20 Message -----

From: brian_lord@i...=20

To: on_discussion@y...= om=20

Cc: on_discussion@y...= om=20

Sent: Tuesday, Aug= ust 21,=20 2001 9:44 AM

Subject: Re: [on_disc= ussion]=20 PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE

 


Actually since we seem to hav= e a=20 serious slow down of people putting out
new propositions I see this as= a=20 hinderence to the game. Aside from the
fact that silly, insane and jus= t=20 plain funny propositions are part of the
fun of the game. I think such= a=20 change in the voting structure would be
very detrimental to the=20 game.

"Heard about the Buddist monk that got his tooth fixed witho= ut=20 novicane.
Yep he said he wanted to Trancend Dental=20 medication."





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OK... how about "Yes," "No,"=20 "Unacceptable?"
--SmartGamer
  ----- Original Message=20 -----
  From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar}
  To:=20 on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:= 16=20 AM
  Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR=20 DEBATE


  Adam,

  neat twist on the results of= =20 casting a vote...
  the only thing that concerns me is using "stu= pid"=20 for the other type of
vote... having a whole bunch of people call your= =20 proposal stupid can be
just as intimidating as getting it voted down i= n the=20 first place. OurNomic
is composed of a wide age range of players, and = while=20 I am but an old
geezer, and could care less if someone thinks my prop = is=20 stupid, some of
our younger players might not take it so well. while t= he=20 rule structure is
good, and it may work out better in the end to have = a yes=20 (+score), no (0
score), and penalty (-score) vote, can we come up with= some=20 different
wording for it???
  also, the only one who sees the = votes=20 is me, therefore the only one who
would see the explanation for why a = prop=20 is "stupid" is me, it wouldn't let
the other players know why it was d= eemed=20 stupid in the first place...
hopefully, folks would have spoken up in = the=20 message board and said... 'hey
that's stupid, why don't you try this t= o=20 make it better...' like I'm doing
now ;-)



  At 08:= 11 AM=20 8/20/01 -0500, you wrote:
  >>>>

  &= nbsp;=20 Since we're back up, let's start off with a new=20 proposition.
    This one's an idea about a rule change= , not=20 a new rule.
    It will stomp on a whole lot of=20 rules.

    It's up for debate under rule 303, meani= ng=20 that it is up for vote
    (in whatever form it ends up= in)=20 in one week's time.

    I rarely do HTML mail, but = I=20 have to here; italic text is
    being removed, underli= ned=20 text is to be added.

    207. Voters may vote eithe= r for=20 ,or against, or claim that it is
"stupid" for any proposal within its= =20 prescribed voting period. A vote of
"stupid" is counted, for most purp= oses,=20 as a NO, and is counted as such in
all situations where not stated dir= ectly=20 otherwise. In order to be legally
cast, the vote must be received by t= he=20 Speaker by the end of the prescribed
voting period. The Speaker may no= t=20 reveal any votes until the end of the
prescribed voting period. Any Vo= ter=20 who does not legally vote within the
prescribed voting period shall be= =20 deemed to have abstained.

    211. Voters who voted= =20 against proposals which are adopted receive 10
points apiece., if that= vote=20 was "no." If the vote was "stupid," the voters
LOSE five(5) points api= ece,=20 as, if the proposition passes, it's obviously
not stupid. Players whos= e=20 proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points
plus a random number of= =20 points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Players whose
proposals are not ad= opted=20 shall lose 10no points, unless there are more
"stupid" votes than "no"= =20 votes, in which case the proposer loses 15 points.
Amended by=20 <http://humber.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/ruleset.htm#315
>3= 15.=20 4/16/2000.

    All that this proposal will do is da= mpen=20 the effect of the penalty for
a bad idea. People were becoming too afr= aid=20 to create new proposals, for
fear of the penalty. If this proposal pas= ses,=20 then only truly bad ideas
will get a penalty; others will be politely= =20 declined. The five point
"stupid" vote penalty will keep people from=20 throwing them around.

    If this rule is put in ef= fect,=20 we're going to see more motion on the
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------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C0760C.1AAE75A0-- From kandelar@n... Wed Aug 22 22:38:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 23 Aug 2001 05:38:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 54817 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2001 05:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2001 05:38:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO frankenstein.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.39) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Aug 2001 05:38:05 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by frankenstein.nwlink.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f7N5c4R24666 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:38:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kandelar@n...) Message-ID: <005f01c0764f$4a35aee0$9ecfcacf@s...> To: References: <01b901c12a52$646bb630$7c412ca6@cay60966> Subject: Duplicate Mails Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 05:07:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01C0760C.3BCF4B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C0760C.3BCF4B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is everyone else getting duplicate mails or is it just me? ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C0760C.3BCF4B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is everyone else getting duplicate mails o= r is it=20 just me?
------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C0760C.3BCF4B60-- From sgamer@s... Thu Aug 23 09:55:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 23 Aug 2001 16:55:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 45253 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2001 16:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2001 16:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.28) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Aug 2001 16:45:27 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([65.68.132.177]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GIJ008EC57OBR@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:45:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:49:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <004a01c12bf3$951652c0$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C12BC9.ABA199C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <01b901c12a52$646bb630$7c412ca6@cay60966> <005201c0764f$290bb160$9ecfcacf@s...> From: smartgamer ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C12BC9.ABA199C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like that rewrite, but note that I changed it to "gain 2" instead of "gai= n 5." --Adam ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Risen=20 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE I really like the idea. As a newbie, I am a bit intimidated abouting putt= ing up my first prop - I could lose points and I don't yet know how importa= nt that is. I think the loss of 5 points for voting "stupid" on a prop that= passed is too harsh though. I think making it no points or +5 points (inst= ead of +10) would be better. My biggest hangup, however is the wording. How= about this: 211. Voters who voted against "no" on proposals which are adopted recei= ve 10 points apiece. Voters who voted "stupid" on proposals which are adopt= ed receive 2 points apiece. Players whose proposals are adopted shall recei= ve 10 points plus a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Pl= ayers whose proposals are not adopted shall lose 10 no points, unless there= are more "stupid" votes than "no" votes, in which case the proposer loses = 15 points. Amended by 315. 4/16/2000. The wording of "stupid" doesn't bother me, but I'm old enough to handle i= t. Other words I can think of are "silly" and "trivial". I'm ok with any of= them (but I like the harshness of "stupid" personally ;) ) -Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Falcon Arendell=20 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:03 AM Subject: RE: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE I agree with Adam. I think that if there were less chance of a penalty= , more props would be submitted. His prop would still make people careful = about putting in extraneous props for fear of a "stupid" rating, but border= line props (a prop that has several people supporting it but could go eithe= r way) could see the light of day and be voted on. =20=20=20=20=20 __________________________ Falcon Arendell =20=20=20=20=20 "...of course I could be wrong." LEM =20=20=20=20=20 -----Original Message----- From: smartgamer [mailto:sgamer@s...] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:56 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE =20=20=20=20=20 No, it's not that. This way, a prop could be voted down with no penalty= , so people would put more in.Since there's that risk in voting "bad idea= ," it would only be done when applied- a rule like "Adam Norberg wins this and all games of Our Nomic" would be voted as "bad idea," and probably unanimously. A rule like a subgame that people just don't want= to play but sounds fun anyway would get a normal "no," with no penalty. This ru= le makes it so people would put in MORE rules! --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: brian_lord@i...=20 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE =20=20=20=20=20 Actually since we seem to have a serious slow down of people putting ou= t new propositions I see this as a hinderence to the game. Aside from the fact that silly, insane and just plain funny propositions are part of t= he fun of the game. I think such a change in the voting structure would be very detrimental to the game. "Heard about the Buddist monk that got his tooth fixed without novicane= . Yep he said he wanted to Trancend Dental medication." = = =20 smartgamer = = =20 cc: (bcc: Brian Lord/BOSTO= N/IDX1) = =20 Subject: Re: [on_discussio= n] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 08/21/01 = = =20 08:47 AM = = =20 Please = = =20 respond to = = =20 on_discussion = = =20 = = =20 = = =20 OK... how about "Yes," "No," "Unacceptable?" --SmartGamer ----- Original Message ----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE Adam, neat twist on the results of casting a vote... the only thing that concerns me is using "stupid" for the other type = of vote... having a whole bunch of people call your proposal stupid can be just as intimidating as getting it voted down in the first place. OurNo= mic is composed of a wide age range of players, and while I am but an old geezer, and could care less if someone thinks my prop is stupid, some o= f our younger players might not take it so well. while the rule structure= is good, and it may work out better in the end to have a yes (+score), no = (0 score), and penalty (-score) vote, can we come up with some different wording for it??? also, the only one who sees the votes is me, therefore the only one w= ho would see the explanation for why a prop is "stupid" is me, it wouldn't= let the other players know why it was deemed stupid in the first place... hopefully, folks would have spoken up in the message board and said... = 'hey that's stupid, why don't you try this to make it better...' like I'm do= ing now ;-) At 08:11 AM 8/20/01 -0500, you wrote: >>>> Since we're back up, let's start off with a new proposition. This one's an idea about a rule change, not a new rule. It will stomp on a whole lot of rules. It's up for debate under rule 303, meaning that it is up for vote (in whatever form it ends up in) in one week's time. I rarely do HTML mail, but I have to here; italic text is being removed, underlined text is to be added. 207. Voters may vote either for ,or against, or claim that it is "stupid" for any proposal within its prescribed voting period. A vote o= f "stupid" is counted, for most purposes, as a NO, and is counted as such= in all situations where not stated directly otherwise. In order to be lega= lly cast, the vote must be received by the Speaker by the end of the prescr= ibed voting period. The Speaker may not reveal any votes until the end of th= e prescribed voting period. Any Voter who does not legally vote within th= e prescribed voting period shall be deemed to have abstained. 211. Voters who voted against proposals which are adopted receive 1= 0 points apiece., if that vote was "no." If the vote was "stupid," the vo= ters LOSE five(5) points apiece, as, if the proposition passes, it's obvious= ly not stupid. Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points plus a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Players who= se proposals are not adopted shall lose 10no points, unless there are more "stupid" votes than "no" votes, in which case the proposer loses 15 poi= nts. Amended by 315. 4/16/2000. All that this proposal will do is dampen the effect of the penalty = for a bad idea. People were becoming too afraid to create new proposals, fo= r fear of the penalty. If this proposal passes, then only truly bad ideas will get a penalty; others will be politely declined. The five point "stupid" vote penalty will keep people from throwing them around. If this rule is put in effect, we're going to see more motion on th= e boards! --Adam "SmartGamer" Norberg Yahoo! 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I like that rewrite, but note that I chang= ed it to=20 "gain 2" instead of "gain 5."
--Adam
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m:=20 Mark R= isen=20
To: on_discussion@y...= om=20
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8= :06=20 AM
Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPO= SITION=20 ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE

I really like the idea. As a newbie, I a= m a bit=20 intimidated abouting putting up my first prop - I could lose points and I= =20 don't yet know how important that is. I think the loss of 5 points for vo= ting=20 "stupid" on a prop that passed is too harsh though. I think making it no= =20 points or +5 points (instead of +10) would be better. My biggest hangup,= =20 however is the wording. How about this:
 
The wording of "stupid" doesn'= t bother=20 me, but I'm old enough to handle it. Other words I can think of are "sill= y"=20 and "trivial". I'm ok with any of them (but I like the harshness of= =20 "stupid" personally ;) )
 
    -Mark
----- Original Message -----
F= rom:=20 Falcon Arendell
To: on_discussion@yahoogroups= .com=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7= :03=20 AM
Subject: RE: [on_discussion]=20 PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE

I=20 agree with Adam.  I think= that=20 if there were less chance of a penalty, more props would be submitted.<= SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">  His prop would still make peo= ple=20 careful about putting in extraneous props for fear of a “stupid&#= 8221; rating, but=20 borderline props (a prop that has several people supporting it but coul= d go=20 either way) could see the light of day and be voted=20 on.

 

__________________________

Falcon Arendell

 

"...of course I could be=20 wrong."

LEM

 

-----Origi= nal=20 Message-----
From:=20 smartgamer [mailto:sgamer@s...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 1= 0:56=20 AM
To:=20 on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [on_discussion]=20 PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE

 

No,=20 it's not that. This way, a prop could be voted down with no=20 penalty,

so=20 people would put more in.Since there's that risk in voting "bad=20 idea,"

it=20 would only be done when applied- a rule like "Adam Norberg=20 wins

this=20 and all games of Our Nomic" would be voted as "bad idea,"=20 and

probably=20 unanimously. A rule like a subgame that people just don't want to= =20 play

but=20 sounds fun anyway would get a normal "no," with no penalty. This=20 rule

makes=20 it so people would put in MORE rules!=

--Adam=20 Norberg

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<= FONT=20 face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2>

From: brian_lord@i...=20

To: on_discussion@yahoogroups= .com=20

Cc: on_discussion@yahoogroups= .com=20

Sent: Tuesday, A= ugust=20 21, 2001 9:44 AM

Subject: Re:=20 [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR DEBATE

 


Actually since we seem to h= ave a=20 serious slow down of people putting out
new propositions I see this = as a=20 hinderence to the game. Aside from the
fact that silly, insane and j= ust=20 plain funny propositions are part of the
fun of the game. I think su= ch a=20 change in the voting structure would be
very detrimental to the=20 game.

"Heard about the Buddist monk that got his tooth fixed wit= hout=20 novicane.
Yep he said he wanted to Trancend Dental=20 medication."





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OK... how about "Yes," "No,"=20 "Unacceptable?"
--SmartGamer
  ----- Original Message=20 -----
  From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar}
  To:=20 on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 = 7:16=20 AM
  Subject: Re: [on_discussion] PROPOSITION ABNPROP 1 FOR=20 DEBATE


  Adam,

  neat twist on the results = of=20 casting a vote...
  the only thing that concerns me is using=20 "stupid" for the other type of
vote... having a whole bunch of peopl= e=20 call your proposal stupid can be
just as intimidating as getting it = voted=20 down in the first place. OurNomic
is composed of a wide age range of= =20 players, and while I am but an old
geezer, and could care less if so= meone=20 thinks my prop is stupid, some of
our younger players might not take= it=20 so well. while the rule structure is
good, and it may work out bette= r in=20 the end to have a yes (+score), no (0
score), and penalty (-score) v= ote,=20 can we come up with some different
wording for it???
  also,= the=20 only one who sees the votes is me, therefore the only one who
would = see=20 the explanation for why a prop is "stupid" is me, it wouldn't let
th= e=20 other players know why it was deemed stupid in the first=20 place...
hopefully, folks would have spoken up in the message board = and=20 said... 'hey
that's stupid, why don't you try this to make it better= ...'=20 like I'm doing
now ;-)



  At 08:11 AM 8/20/01 -05= 00,=20 you wrote:
  >>>>

    Since w= e're=20 back up, let's start off with a new proposition.
    = This=20 one's an idea about a rule change, not a new rule.
   = ; It=20 will stomp on a whole lot of rules.

    It's up f= or=20 debate under rule 303, meaning that it is up for vote
  &n= bsp;=20 (in whatever form it ends up in) in one week's=20 time.

    I rarely do HTML mail, but I have to he= re;=20 italic text is
    being removed, underlined text is = to be=20 added.

    207. Voters may vote either for ,or=20 against, or claim that it is
"stupid" for any proposal within its=20 prescribed voting period. A vote of
"stupid" is counted, for most=20 purposes, as a NO, and is counted as such in
all situations where no= t=20 stated directly otherwise. In order to be legally
cast, the vote mus= t be=20 received by the Speaker by the end of the prescribed
voting period. = The=20 Speaker may not reveal any votes until the end of the
prescribed vot= ing=20 period. Any Voter who does not legally vote within the
prescribed vo= ting=20 period shall be deemed to have abstained.

    211= .=20 Voters who voted against proposals which are adopted receive 10
poin= ts=20 apiece., if that vote was "no." If the vote was "stupid," the votersLOSE=20 five(5) points apiece, as, if the proposition passes, it's obviouslynot=20 stupid. Players whose proposals are adopted shall receive 10 points
= plus=20 a random number of points in the range 1-10 inclusive. Players=20 whose
proposals are not adopted shall lose 10no points, unless there= are=20 more
"stupid" votes than "no" votes, in which case the proposer lose= s 15=20 points.
Amended by=20 <http://humber.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/ruleset.htm#315
>= ;315.=20 4/16/2000.

    All that this proposal will do is= =20 dampen the effect of the penalty for
a bad idea. People were becomin= g too=20 afraid to create new proposals, for
fear of the penalty. If this pro= posal=20 passes, then only truly bad ideas
will get a penalty; others will be= =20 politely declined. The five point
"stupid" vote penalty will keep pe= ople=20 from throwing them around.

    If this rule is pu= t in=20 effect, we're going to see more motion on=20 the
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    --Adam "SmartGamer"=20 Norberg

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------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C12BC9.BBCD4F60-- From windrant@n... Fri Sep 28 07:07:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_4_1); 28 Sep 2001 14:07:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 38866 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 14:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2001 14:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 14:07:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 3553 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2001 14:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (64.212.212.194) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 28 Sep 2001 14:07:52 -0000 To: "Zachary Zwetsch" , "Thatcher Hogan" , "Steven Colabufo" , "Shirley Robinson" , "Scott Morgan" , "Sarah Reynolds" , "Sarah Hale" , "Phil Henry" , "Pennie Sansone" , "Paul Pelky Jr." , "Pat King" , "Pat & Jamie McGuinne" , "Parke Bostrom" , "Pamela Side" , "Nomic Discussion" , "Nellie Kuitems" , "Nate Hogan" , "Melody Delong" , "Melissa Hart" , "Matty Saucier" , "Matt Keppel" , "Marianne Holland" , "Lynn McGrath" , "Lucas Clark" , "Lonnie Henry" , "Larry Robinson" , "Kris Zaker" , "Kerri Miner" , "Karen Sauther" , "Karen Ellsworth" , "John Henry" , "Joan Siegenthaler" , "Jim Robinson" , "Jessica Litwin" , "Jen Hamilton" , "Jeff Ellsworth" , "Heather Hepburn" , "Devon Jacobs" , "Devin Lafave" , "Denise Mosher" , "Chuck Henry" , "Chris Minsterman" , "Casey Barnewall" , "Brooke Lynch" , "Brooke Hogan" , "Brenden Coyle" , "Aurora Bewicke" , "Alisa Manning" , "Adam Mosher" Subject: Henry Update! We've moved! Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:04:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Chuck Henry" Greetings everyone! I apologize for the mass mailing... We've moved! You can reach us at: Chuck & Jen Henry 73 Prospect Avenue Massena, NY 13662 (315) 764-7835 Jen was recently hired as the librarian at the Nightengale Elementary School. (She loves it!) Chuck is now between jobs and is working as a cashier at Wal-Mart. (He hates it!) We moved to Massena to be closer to Jen's job. In fact, she's only 3 minutes away from school on foot. She's been walking to school since she began at the beginning of the school year. If you happen to be in Massena, feel free to stop by and visit... I can't promise that there will be cold beer in the fridge to offer you but I'll look! For directions to our home I've put up a section on my website to help guide you here! http://www.windrant.com/comevisit.htm Enjoy! I hope the sad events of this month have left you unscathed. We were lucky... we lost no close friends or family in the attacks. Until later my friends, Chuck & Jen
211. Voters who voted against=20 "no" on proposals which are adopted receive 10 points apiece= .=20 Voters who voted "stupid" on proposals which are adopted=20 receive 2 points apiece. Players whose proposals are adop= ted=20 shall receive 10 points plus a random number of points in the range 1-1= 0=20 inclusive. Players whose proposals are not adopted shall lose 10 no points, unless there are mo= re=20 "stupid" votes than "no" votes, in which case the proposer loses 15=20 points. Amended by <= FONT=20 size=3D2>315.=20 4/16/2000.
 
3.  Does it matter what time of the year it is in = Our=20 Nomic?  Or do we suddenly have snow in whatever our summer is?<= /DIV>
 
4.  Is there any provision for occasional extremes= --=20 drought, hurricane, etc.?
 
5.  Shouldn't it be the (oh, shoot, whatever it is= we=20 call the web master) instead of the Speaker who loses PP if the weather isn= 't=20 posted?
 
Callie Hammond
Fuquay-Varina, NC=20
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0DCAA.C55E0C40-- From windrant@n... Mon May 14 18:16:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 May 2001 01:16:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 25158 invoked from network); 15 May 2001 01:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 May 2001 01:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 May 2001 01:15:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 19905 invoked from network); 15 May 2001 01:16:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.136) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 15 May 2001 01:16:18 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Web Pages Updated Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:13:17 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" The webpages have been updated! Chuck Henry Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From kandelar@n... Mon May 14 20:01:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 May 2001 03:01:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 47792 invoked from network); 15 May 2001 03:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 May 2001 03:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 May 2001 03:00:43 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with SMTP id f4F30gN01686 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 20:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003201c0dceb$feeacd40$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: References: <002c01c0dccc$4e88c840$8de12ad1@callie> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] MRPROP1 - The WeatherPerson - For Discussion Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:06:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0DCB1.523FAA00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0DCB1.523FAA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for your questions, Callie! Answers are below. Questions: 1. Can the weatherperson go ahead and predict the next 52 days, since e = is always correct? That way, e doesn't have to worry about missing a day. "Furthermore, The WeatherPerson may accurately predict the weather for = up to 14 days after the date that the prediction occurs." - No. Only 14 day= s in advance :) 2. Would e only predict for days when e is told we need to know the weat= her? Or is there supposed to be a daily forecast? There should be a daily forcast. It is implied due to the fact that fai= lure to do so results in "unexpected weather". I'll see if I can make that = more specific 3. Does it matter what time of the year it is in Our Nomic? Or do we su= ddenly have snow in whatever our summer is? I'm not defining seasons or anything like that, so weather can come at = anytime of year :) 4. Is there any provision for occasional extremes -- drought, hurricane,= etc.? Not yet... 5. Shouldn't it be the (oh, shoot, whatever it is we call the web master= ) instead of the Speaker who loses PP if the weather isn't posted? I've been trying to figure this one out too. I think you are right, sin= ce I just found out that the Web-Guru and the Speaker are seperate. Maybe w= e should have a prop on that... Callie Hammond Fuquay-Varina, NC=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0DCB1.523FAA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for your questions, Callie!= Answers=20 are below.
Questions:
 
1.  Can the weatherperson go ahead and predict t= he next=20 52 days, since e is always correct?  That way, e doesn't have to wor= ry=20 about missing a day.
"Furthermore, The WeatherPerson may accurately predict= the=20 weather for up to 14 days after the date that the prediction occurs." -=20 No. Only 14 days in advance :)
2.  Would e only predict for days when e is told= we=20 need to know the weather?  Or is there supposed to be a daily=20 forecast?
There should be a daily forcast. It is impl= ied due=20 to the fact that failure to do so results in "unexpected weather". I'll= see=20 if I can make that more specific
3.  Does it matter what time of the year it is i= n Our=20 Nomic?  Or do we suddenly have snow in whatever our summer=20 is?
I'm not defining seasons or anything like t= hat, so=20 weather can come at anytime of year :)
4.  Is there any provision for occasional extrem= es --=20 drought, hurricane, etc.?
Not yet...=20 <grin>
5.  Shouldn't it be the (oh, shoot, whatever it = is we=20 call the web master) instead of the Speaker who loses PP if the weather i= sn't=20 posted?
I've been trying to figure this one out too= . I=20 think you are right, since I just found out that the Web-Guru and the=20 Speaker are seperate. Maybe we should have a prop on=20 that...
Callie Hammond
Fuquay-Varina, NC=20

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com



Your= use=20 of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0DCB1.523FAA00-- From kandelar@n... Mon May 14 20:05:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 May 2001 03:05:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 57388 invoked from network); 15 May 2001 03:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 May 2001 03:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 May 2001 03:04:31 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with SMTP id f4F34UN04912 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 20:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004001c0dcec$871b9be0$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: References: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] What's wrong here? Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:09:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" This is very good info. I'm glad to hear this. It's kind of difficult wading into this game without forknowledge of how to play. I'm sorry that you didn't get the prop pushed through, Adam, but it was good experience nonetheless. One concern I have about this, though, is that it discourages putting up propositions. I mean, if I put a prop up, I'm risking that -10 point hit! On the plus side, it prevents having frivolous props put up. I wonder if we can get the best of both worlds... -Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Windrant" To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 3:22 AM Subject: RE: [on_discussion] What's wrong here? > Well, Adam... don't be irritated. > > Here's the reason for my vote and why your prop failed IMHO... > > It was good of you to join the game and then toss into the mix a proposition > and then a proposal. However, I think you may have been a bit ambitious to > start with. I really didn't like the proposal at all. Too wordy... I > really didn't understand the proposal at all. There were requests for you > to simply or better explain it but I really didn't see them happen. Also, > remember that the folks that have been playing the game for the last year > can effectively be considered "conservative" and will fear radical changes > to some extent. Your prop was radical change. > > Another thing too (all you newbies listen with a keen ear): Just because it > was met with favorable discussion on the list DOES NOT mean it will pass. > If you really want something to pass, you need to talk to as many people as > you can and make sure it passes on assurances. This is true politicing. > > Also, this is a game. Like Survivor, there is only one winner. You must > work together while screwing everybody. If we do not want you to win, then > keeping you from earning points is the way to do that. Like real politics, > smile while you sink someone else's political career. (You didn't really > think the whole Bill Clinton scandal was entirely his fault, did you?) > > Chin up Adam! I would suggest moving on though... repeat attempts on the > same prop haven't worked traditionally in Our Nomic. Try something a little > less radical and it will do fine! > > -Chuck > > Chuck Henry > Historian of Our Nomic > www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic > > -----Original Message----- > From: smartgamer [mailto:sgamer@s...] > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:52 PM > To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [on_discussion] What's wrong here? > > > I put my Board prop up for debate, and I got nothing but > good comments. A lot of people liked it, nobody complained. > > So why did it fail? > > You all had your chances to tell me what was wrong with it. Please, let me > know so I can revise it and try again... > > needless to say, I'm a tad irritated. > > --Adam Norberg > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From windrant@n... Tue May 15 03:27:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 May 2001 10:27:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 61370 invoked from network); 15 May 2001 10:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 May 2001 10:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 May 2001 10:27:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 9749 invoked from network); 15 May 2001 10:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.36.99) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 15 May 2001 10:27:30 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] MRPROP1 - The WeatherPerson - For Discussion Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:24:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0DD07.B78489C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003201c0dceb$feeacd40$fb00a8c0@kandelar> From: "Windrant" ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0DD07.B78489C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 5. Shouldn't it be the (oh, shoot, whatever it is we call the web master) instead of the Speaker who loses PP if the weather isn't posted? I've been trying to figure this one out too. I think you are right, since I just found out that the Web-Guru and the Speaker are seperate. Maybe we should have a prop on that... Are you referring to the Web Gnome? We do have rules on that! 304 "CHUCK THE WEB GNOME", 307 and 313 "HISTORIAN REDEFINED" Right now we're still working out the kinks in the communication lines between us. Once we've come to an informal standard, we'll develop rules to better define the system. 304, 307, and 313 were developed before the Speaker and the Historian were seperate people. They do reflect some ideas that are just plain impractical. We'll get those ironed out soon too. In the meantime, here's the way you should treat the webpages... they are a reflection of the UPDATEs that are sent by the Speaker. They are passive currently. Meaning that they are updated FROM the UPDATEs sent by the Speaker. If you plan to base posting the weather on the webpages then the weatherperson and the responsibility for maintaining the weatherperson system should be on the Historian instead of Speaker. That way there's no time lag between Weatherperson -> Speaker -> Historian -> Webpage. It would be just Weatherperson -> Historian -> Webpage. My 2 cents worth! -C Chuck Henry Historian and Founder of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0DD07.B78489C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
5.  Shouldn't it be t= he (oh,=20 shoot, whatever it is we call the web master) instead of the Speaker who lo= ses=20 PP if the weather isn't posted?
 
 I've been trying to figure = this=20 one out too. I think you are right, since I just found out that the Web-Gur= u and=20 the Speaker are seperate. Maybe we should have a prop on that...  
 
Are you referring to the Web Gnome?  We do = have=20 rules on that!
 
 
Right now we're still working out the kinks in t= he=20 communication lines between us.  Once we've come to an informal standa= rd,=20 we'll develop rules to better define the system.  304, 307, and 313 we= re=20 developed before the Speaker and the Historian were seperate people.  = They=20 do reflect some ideas that are just plain impractical.  We'll get thos= e=20 ironed out soon too.
 
In the meantime, here's the way you should treat= the=20 webpages... they are a reflection of the UPDATEs that are sent by the=20 Speaker.  They are passive currently.  Meaning that they are upda= ted=20 FROM the UPDATEs sent by the Speaker.   If you plan to base posti= ng=20 the weather on the webpages then the weatherperson and the responsibility f= or=20 maintaining the weatherperson system should be on the Historian instead of= =20 Speaker.  That way there's no time lag between Weatherperson -> Spe= aker=20 -> Historian -> Webpage.   It would be just Weatherperson -= >=20 Historian -> Webpage.
 
My 2 cents worth!
 
-C

Chuck Henry
Historian and Founder of Our Nomic
www.northnet.org/windran= t/OurNomic=20

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0DD07.B78489C0-- From djacobs@n... Wed May 16 11:21:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 16 May 2001 18:21:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 98467 invoked from network); 16 May 2001 18:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 May 2001 18:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 May 2001 18:20:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 26962 invoked from network); 16 May 2001 18:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.161) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 16 May 2001 18:21:13 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010516134343.0080e900@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:43:43 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Mr. Speaker Sir, it has come to my attention..... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Jen, Thanks for the input.... too many Henrys.... I'll just delete a few of you for next time ;) kust kidding... I'm still hammering out the new mailing template, I'll update it before the next update goes out.... At 06:39 AM 5/14/01 -0400, you wrote: >Devon, >It's come to my attention that some of our players have the same >initials.......ex: Chuck Henry, Callie Hammond.....this becomes very >confusing when reading Nomic updates........can we fix this? Jen Henry and >John Henry are JH and JoH........just a thought........ > >-Jen > . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From djacobs@n... Wed May 16 15:03:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 16 May 2001 22:03:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 76182 invoked from network); 16 May 2001 22:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 May 2001 22:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 May 2001 22:03:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 7741 invoked from network); 16 May 2001 22:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (209.2.153.177) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 16 May 2001 22:03:40 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010516180735.007f7100@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 18:07:35 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [5/16/2001] Incoming Recruitment: Chuck recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth on 5/2/01, 2 votes now remain. Mentoring: Mark Risen's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Callie Hammond's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Falcon Arendell's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Adam Hrankowski's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Brian Lord's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jaimss Carpenter's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Player Status Changes: Brian Lord has become Active (officially {NP}). Callie Hammond has become Active (officially {NP}). Outgoing: Voting Results: Passed: 340. (FA) 71.4% Participation! In Favor: BL, CH, CAH, FA, JE, JH, LH, MR. Opposed: JoH, SM. Abstain: AN, JB, MK, SO. Excused: AH, JC, JR. Passed: 341. (DJ) 71.4% Participation! In Favor: BL, CH, CAH, FA, JH, LH, SM. Opposed: JE, JoH, MR. Abstain: AN, JB, MK, SO. Excused: AH, JC, JR. Point Awards: (see Players page for current totals. Updated within 48 hours. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Devon +18 (author of 341, 10 points +8 Roll) Falcon +20 (author of 340, 10 points +10 Roll) Jeff +10 (Dissent 341) John +20 (Dissent 340, 341) Mark +10 (Dissent 341) Scott +10 (Dissent 340) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Brian +10 (vote 340, 341) Callie +10 (vote 340, 341) Chuck +10 (vote 340, 341) Falcon +10 (vote 340, 341) Devon +40 (10 Players voted 340 {20PP} + 10 Players voted 341 {20PP}) Jen +10 (vote 340, 341) Jeff +10 (vote 340, 341) John +10 (vote 340, 341) Lonnie +10 (vote 340, 341) Mark +10 (vote 340, 341) Scott +10 (vote 340, 341) Notices: Sorry for the delay... I was unavoidably out of town for a few days.... Please note that Chuck Henry's initials are now CAH so as not to be confused with Callie's *** There was an ERROR in the last update... PROP 339 failed causing Adam Norberg to lose 10 score points, which was recorded correctly in the official records, but I erroneously docked Adam Hrankowski in the last update. I sent a note to the web gnome, and it should be reflected correctly on the web pages soon... Sorry... MY BAD... . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From djacobs@n... Tue May 22 04:48:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 May 2001 11:48:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 85165 invoked from network); 22 May 2001 11:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 May 2001 11:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 May 2001 11:47:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 8434 invoked from network); 22 May 2001 11:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.131) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 22 May 2001 11:48:01 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010522075215.00805d70@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:52:15 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: PUBLIC NOTICE - ATTENTION NTF MEMBERS!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} UNDER RULE 328: As the Speaker of Our Nomic, I hereby request an update from ALL members of the NTF by midnight on 5/25/2001. Each member should send me, via direct e-mail, a brief synopsis of eis NTF activities from 2/4/2001 to present. The mail should also contain the current list of name choices for Our Nomic, an estimated timeline for final name choice, and the CURRENT NTF RULESET. Any input you would like to give on the NTF, or your participation in it are also welcome. Rule 328."...The NTF reports to the Speaker. At any time the Speaker can make requests of the NTF and receive a fulfillment of that request within 3 calendar days. If the request is not fulfilled in the 3 day period, the Speaker then may suspend operations of the NTF until the request is filled...". . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From djacobs@n... Tue May 22 04:48:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 May 2001 11:48:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 35520 invoked from network); 22 May 2001 11:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 May 2001 11:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 May 2001 11:47:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 8306 invoked from network); 22 May 2001 11:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.131) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 22 May 2001 11:47:50 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010522073603.007a84e0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:36:03 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [5/22/2001] Incoming Recruitment: Chuck recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth on 5/2/01, 2 votes now remain. Mentoring: Mark Risen's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Callie Hammond's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Falcon Arendell's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Adam Hrankowski's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Brian Lord's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jaimss Carpenter's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentoring will end [5/23/01]. Outgoing: Voting Results: Failed: 342. (DJ) (With a miserable 28.6% Voter Participation...) In Favor: LH, SM. Opposed: FA, MR. Abstain: AN, BL, CAH, CH, JE, JH, JoH, JB, MK, SO. Excused: AH, JC, JR. Point Awards: (see Players page for current totals. Updated within 48 hours. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Devon -10 (Failure of 342) PPs Awards: (see Players page for current totals. http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm) Devon +8 (4 people voted) Falcon +5 (voted on 342) Lonnie +5 (voted on 342) Mark +5 (voted on 342) Scott +5 (voted on 342) Outcomes: Notices: . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From windrant@n... Tue May 22 16:56:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 May 2001 23:56:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 52000 invoked from network); 22 May 2001 23:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 May 2001 23:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 May 2001 23:55:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 25361 invoked from network); 22 May 2001 23:56:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.110) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 22 May 2001 23:56:16 -0000 Reply-To: To: "Nomic Discussion" Subject: Webpages Updated! Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 19:53:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "Windrant" Webpages updated! Chuck Henry Founder and Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic From chammond@i... Thu May 24 16:48:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: chammond@i... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 24 May 2001 23:48:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 70674 invoked from network); 24 May 2001 23:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 May 2001 23:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.246) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 May 2001 23:47:53 -0000 Received: from callie [209.42.225.176] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id ADE694A20218; Thu, 24 May 2001 19:48:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c0e4ac$34fbd100$b0e12ad1@callie> To: Subject: Discussion of Proposal -- Labeling Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:49:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Callie Hammond" I am having a bloody hard time keeping up with discussions of proposals, requests for support of proposals, and actual proposals which require a vote. I'm thinking we should have some sort of required subject for each of the above. I know we have one for proposals which are officially open for debate, although I don't think I've ever seen one of those. This is my first thought of making a proposal, so I welcome ideas and comments, please. Callie Hammond Fuquay-Varina, NC From jands1@f... Thu May 24 21:08:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jands1@f... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 25 May 2001 04:08:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 89199 invoked from network); 25 May 2001 04:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 May 2001 04:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 May 2001 04:07:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.2.240] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2001 04:07:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 04:07:15 -0000 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Excused for Nuptials! Message-ID: <9eklpj+772l@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 658 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.130.220.236 From: jands1@f... Greetings fellow Nomicsylvanians, Some of you know me, others I hope to dialogue with in the future, but I wanted to let everyone know that I will be taking a leave of absence effective immediately. I'm getting married on Sunday and then off on my honeymoon, heading for points unknown. :) I'll look forward to getting back into the debates of OurNomic upon my return in June. Be good to each other! Best to all, Scott Morgan P.S. Just in case anyone is keeping track (Mr. Speaker, sir) I have passed the holy hand grenade to another upstanding citizen among us. So, I now sign off as... The (former) Holder of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch From djacobs@n... Fri May 25 04:37:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 25 May 2001 11:37:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 36387 invoked from network); 25 May 2001 11:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 May 2001 11:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 May 2001 11:37:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 25694 invoked from network); 25 May 2001 11:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.148) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 25 May 2001 11:37:46 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010525074035.007ed840@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:40:35 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: STUFF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Hi Folks, Just a short update to take care of some housekeeping things... FIRST... Congratulations Scott!! Happy honeymoon and all that, you are officially excused until further notice! Second.... regarding the PUBLIC NOTICE post for the NTF... several of you have replied to the discussion group or myself regarding your involvement in nomic....OOPS! that notice was posted in a public forum under rule 328 to illicit a response from members of the Name Task Force (NTF): Matt Keppel(head of NTF), Scott Morgan, and Jen Henry. Rule 328."...The NTF reports to the Speaker. At any time the Speaker can make requests of the NTF and receive a fulfillment of that request within 3 calendar days. If the request is not fulfilled in the 3 day period, the Speaker then may suspend operations of the NTF until the request is filled...". Also regarding Callie's message: "I am having a bloody hard time keeping up with discussions of proposals, requests for support of proposals, and actual proposals which require a vote. I'm thinking we should have some sort of required subject for each of the above. I know we have one for proposals which are officially open for debate, although I don't think I've ever seen one of those." this is all laid out in scattered portions of the ruleset... but let me see if I can make it clearer, and give you kind of a guideline: there are really two terms at work here: PROPOSAL and PROPOSITION. A PROPOSAL is a rule change that a player would like to see enacted that has been submitted to the speaker (see below) for voting. Proposals are assigned an official number and are placed on the discussion group and web pages for voting. Proposals up for voting will be posted to the discussion group in an official NOMIC UPDATE from the speaker under the heading New Proposals, and will include the author, text of the proposal, supporting players (if applicable) and the dates of the voting period. ONLY officially numbered and posted proposals are voted on. A PROPOSITION is a rule change that you would like to see enacted but that has not been submitted to the speaker for voting. there are 2 ways to handle a proposition: 1. the best method is under rule 337. form an idea of what changes you want to make to the ruleset. when you have a good working copy that you think will fly, proceed to drum up support for it by e-mailing it directly to the players who you think would support it (e-mail addresses for all players can be located on the webpages here: http://www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic/players.htm). If the players you mailed it to wish to support your changes, they will respond directly to you saying that they will support it. This qualifies as a letter of support. You need a MINIMUM of 2 letters of support to submit your changes to the speaker as a PROPOSAL for voting. do this by e-mailing the text of your changes and copies of at least 2 letters of support directly to ME (the speaker). I will assign it a prop number and put it on the web for voting. 2. the alternate method is under rule 303. This is a good second course for a proposition if the method above meets with poor response. There may be something in your proposition that is unclear, or needs to be modified before folks will vote for it willingly. At any time proposed changes may be submitted to all members of the on_discussion mailing list for debate before submission to the speaker for voting. A proposition submitted for the purpose of debate must be e-mailed to all members of the on_discussion mailing list and have the following as the first line of the body of the e-mail: PROPOSITION ($$$PROP#) FOR DEBATE where $$$ represents the author's initials and # represents the number of propositions submitted in this manner by this author. (my next one would be DRJPROP11). doing this allows you to discuss your proposed changes with the entire group for a short period of time so you can modify it in the hopes that more people will support it. in addition, during this time, nobody can steal your idea now that you've made it public and directly submit it to the speaker under rule 337 (see the fulltext of rule 303 for details). once the proposed changes have been on the discussion list for 7 days, it can be submitted to the speaker for voting WITHOUT any letters of support. The author may do this by e-mailing the text of your changes directly to ME (the speaker). I will assign it a prop number and put it on the web for voting. hope that helps a bit..... . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From djacobs@n... Mon May 28 05:45:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 28 May 2001 12:45:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 84709 invoked from network); 28 May 2001 12:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 May 2001 12:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 May 2001 12:45:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 12060 invoked from network); 28 May 2001 12:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.170) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 28 May 2001 12:46:10 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010528085032.007e78f0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 08:50:32 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [05/28/01] Incoming Recruitment: Chuck recruited Jeffrey Ellsworth on 5/2/01, 2 votes now remain. Mentoring: Mark Risen's mentoring has ended. Callie Hammond's mentoring has ended. Falcon Arendell's mentoring has ended. Adam Hrankowski's mentoring has ended. Brian Lord's mentoring will has ended. Jaimss Carpenter's mentoring has ended. Jeffrey Ellsworth's mentoring has ended. ** Mentor evaluation sheets will be going out this today please return them to the speakers office by June 1, 2001 Notices: UNDER RULE 328, THE NAMING TASK FORCE (NTF), IT'S RULESET, AND ALL OF ITS OPERATIONS ARE HEREBY SUSPENDED PENDING RECIEPT OF UPDATES FROM JEN HENRY AND SCOTT MORGAN. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR UPDATE FROM 5/22/01: UNDER RULE 328: As the Speaker of Our Nomic, I hereby request an update from ALL members of the NTF by midnight on 5/25/2001. Each member should send me, via direct e-mail, a brief synopsis of eis NTF activities from 2/4/2001 to present. The mail should also contain the current list of name choices for Our Nomic, an estimated timeline for final name choice, and the CURRENT NTF RULESET. Any input you would like to give on the NTF, or your participation in it are also welcome. Rule 328."...The NTF reports to the Speaker. At any time the Speaker can make requests of the NTF and receive a fulfillment of that request within 3 calendar days. If the request is not fulfilled in the 3 day period, the Speaker then may suspend operations of the NTF until the request is filled...". . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From djacobs@n... Sun Jun 03 08:38:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 3 Jun 2001 15:38:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 93161 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2001 15:38:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2001 15:38:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jun 2001 15:38:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 22343 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2001 15:38:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.162) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 3 Jun 2001 15:38:31 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010603112949.007f18f0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 11:29:49 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: NOMIC UPDATE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [06/03/01] Player Status Changes: John Henry is excused until further notice. Matt Keppel is excused until further notice. Scott Morgan is excused until further notice. Notices: . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From djacobs@n... Thu Jun 07 04:42:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 7 Jun 2001 11:42:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 13293 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2001 11:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2001 11:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Jun 2001 11:42:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 606 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2001 11:42:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.157) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 7 Jun 2001 11:42:47 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010607074729.007f77f0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:47:29 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: MOTION FOR RECESS... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Fellow Nomicsylvanians, To begin with, I must complement you on your participation... when game 2 started, we had over 70% participation!! that's possibly the highest rate since we grew larger than 3 players!! kudos... We have however seen a severe decline in activity here in the past two weeks... as it is summer, and finally nice out, this is not uncommon... Also as many of us are in the education field (either as student or teacher) this is the time of year where all hell breaks loose finishing the tasks for the school year. This leaves precious little time to be glued to the monitor of our computers for gameplay... Luckily, this type of seasonal catastrophe is not unforseen... in fact our previous speaker, in his infinite wisdom wrote provisions into the ruleset to overcome this exact occurance, and keep Our Nomic alive and well... Therefore, Under rule 319 "School's Out...Forever!" in the current ruleset, I move for a recess. The recess shall commence upon 2/3 majority positive vote and last until midnight August 18th, 2001. During this period of recess, the forums of discussion continue to operate upon the discretion of the moderator of that forum. However, no new proposals can be submitted or acted upon until the recess ends. Any proposals in the Hopper shall be acted upon on the date that was assigned to them, by the Speaker, regardless of the recess. During this time, I encourage you to re-read the ruleset, especially those just starting out... as many changes have been made in the past few months... now would also be an excellent time to think about some SETS of props that would create a subgame, create procedures, or change the structure of the nomic. Remember it only takes 10 successful props to win the game!!! Upon the date stated as the end of the recess, all functions of Our Nomic shall return to pre-recess status. ffff,0000,0000This motion needs two supportive motions to passed. These must be posted to open forums by midnight Friday, June 8th, 2001 in order to support this motion. . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From sgamer@s... Thu Jun 07 04:54:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 7 Jun 2001 11:54:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 21419 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2001 11:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2001 11:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.28) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Jun 2001 11:54:56 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.234]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with SMTP id <0GEK003PX6FRXH@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 06:55:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:56:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] MOTION FOR RECESS... To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <002f01c0ef48$eecd7560$eae0bcd0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: <3.0.2.32.20010607074729.007f77f0@a...> X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer Midnight of my birthday is the due date? Whatever. Anyway, I don't support this. To the middle of July, yes... to the middle of August... well... I dunno, keep looking for those two people. And yes, you should send me birthday cards. --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message ----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:47 AM Subject: [on_discussion] MOTION FOR RECESS... Fellow Nomicsylvanians, To begin with, I must complement you on your participation... when game 2 started, we had over 70% participation!! that's possibly the highest rate since we grew larger than 3 players!! kudos... We have however seen a severe decline in activity here in the past two weeks... as it is summer, and finally nice out, this is not uncommon... Also as many of us are in the education field (either as student or teacher) this is the time of year where all hell breaks loose finishing the tasks for the school year. This leaves precious little time to be glued to the monitor of our computers for gameplay... Luckily, this type of seasonal catastrophe is not unforseen... in fact our previous speaker, in his infinite wisdom wrote provisions into the ruleset to overcome this exact occurance, and keep Our Nomic alive and well... Therefore, Under rule 319 "School's Out...Forever!" in the current ruleset, I move for a recess. The recess shall commence upon 2/3 majority positive vote and last until midnight August 18th, 2001. During this period of recess, the forums of discussion continue to operate upon the discretion of the moderator of that forum. However, no new proposals can be submitted or acted upon until the recess ends. Any proposals in the Hopper shall be acted upon on the date that was assigned to them, by the Speaker, regardless of the recess. During this time, I encourage you to re-read the ruleset, especially those just starting out... as many changes have been made in the past few months... now would also be an excellent time to think about some SETS of props that would create a subgame, create procedures, or change the structure of the nomic. Remember it only takes 10 successful props to win the game!!! Upon the date stated as the end of the recess, all functions of Our Nomic shall return to pre-recess status. This motion needs two supportive motions to passed. These must be posted to open forums by midnight Friday, June 8th, 2001 in order to support this motion. . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From jae4@h... Thu Jun 07 12:17:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jae4@h... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 7 Jun 2001 19:17:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 49932 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2001 19:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2001 19:16:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (64.4.23.56) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Jun 2001 19:16:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 12:16:38 -0700 Received: from 163.153.250.8 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:16:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [163.153.250.8] To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] MOTION FOR RECESS... Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:16:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2001 19:16:38.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[601D6850:01C0EF86] From: "Jeffrey Ellsworth" Seeing as summer is upon us and I want to spend it either working (as necessary) or outside I'll second the motion for recess. Jeffrey _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From windrant@n... Thu Jun 07 16:32:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 7 Jun 2001 23:32:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 41137 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2001 23:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Jun 2001 23:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Jun 2001 23:32:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 2399 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2001 23:33:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.36.47) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 7 Jun 2001 23:33:09 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] MOTION FOR RECESS... Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:30:17 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0EF88.48A15FE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20010607074729.007f77f0@a...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0EF88.48A15FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also support the motion for recess. You can also count this as my vote for recess. Have a great summer everybody! -C Chuck Henry Founder and Historian of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 7:47 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] MOTION FOR RECESS... Fellow Nomicsylvanians, To begin with, I must complement you on your participation... when game 2 started, we had over 70% participation!! that's possibly the highest rate since we grew larger than 3 players!! kudos... We have however seen a severe decline in activity here in the past two weeks... as it is summer, and finally nice out, this is not uncommon... Also as many of us are in the education field (either as student or teacher) this is the time of year where all hell breaks loose finishing the tasks for the school year. This leaves precious little time to be glued to the monitor of our computers for gameplay... Luckily, this type of seasonal catastrophe is not unforseen... in fact our previous speaker, in his infinite wisdom wrote provisions into the ruleset to overcome this exact occurance, and keep Our Nomic alive and well... Therefore, Under rule 319 "School's Out...Forever!" in the current ruleset, I move for a recess. The recess shall commence upon 2/3 majority positive vote and last until midnight August 18th, 2001. During this period of recess, the forums of discussion continue to operate upon the discretion of the moderator of that forum. However, no new proposals can be submitted or acted upon until the recess ends. Any proposals in the Hopper shall be acted upon on the date that was assigned to them, by the Speaker, regardless of the recess. During this time, I encourage you to re-read the ruleset, especially those just starting out... as many changes have been made in the past few months... now would also be an excellent time to think about some SETS of props that would create a subgame, create procedures, or change the structure of the nomic. Remember it only takes 10 successful props to win the game!!! Upon the date stated as the end of the recess, all functions of Our Nomic shall return to pre-recess status. This motion needs two supportive motions to passed. These must be posted to open forums by midnight Friday, June 8th, 2001 in order to support this motion. . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0EF88.48A15FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I also=20 support the motion for recess. You can also count this as my vote for= =20 recess.  Have a great summer everybody!
-C
 

Chuck Henry
Founder = and=20 Historian of Our Nomic=20
www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic

-----Original Message-----
From: Devon Jacobs {Darksta= r}=20 [mailto:djacobs@n...]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 7:4= 7=20 AM
To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject:=20 [on_discussion] MOTION FOR RECESS...

Fellow=20 Nomicsylvanians,
To begin with, I must complement you on your=20 participation... when game 2 started, we had over 70% participation!! tha= t's=20 possibly the highest rate since we grew larger than 3 players!!=20 kudos...

We have however seen a severe decline in activity here in= the=20 past two weeks... as it is summer, and finally nice out, this is not=20 uncommon... Also as many of us are in the education field (either as stud= ent=20 or teacher) this is the time of year where all hell breaks loose finishin= g the=20 tasks for the school year. This leaves precious little time to be glued t= o the=20 monitor of our computers for gameplay... Luckily, this type of seasonal=20 catastrophe is not unforseen... in fact our previous speaker, in his infi= nite=20 wisdom wrote provisions into the ruleset to overcome this exact occurance= , and=20 keep Our Nomic alive and well...

Therefore, Under rule 319 "Sch= ool's=20 Out...Forever!" in the current ruleset, I move for a recess. The recess s= hall=20 commence upon 2/3 majority positive vote and last until midnight August 1= 8th,=20 2001.

During this period of recess, the forums of discussion= =20 continue to operate upon the discretion of the moderator of that forum.=20 However, no new proposals can be submitted or acted upon until the recess= =20 ends. Any proposals in the Hopper shall be acted upon on the date that wa= s=20 assigned to them, by the Speaker, regardless of the recess.

Durin= g=20 this time, I encourage you to re-read the ruleset, especially those just= =20 starting out... as many changes have been made in the past few months... = now=20 would also be an excellent time to think about some SETS of props that wo= uld=20 create a subgame, create procedures, or change the structure of the nomic= .=20 Remember it only takes 10 successful props to win the game!!!

Upon= the=20 date stated as the end of the recess, all functions of Our Nomic shall re= turn=20 to pre-recess status.


This m= otion=20 needs two supportive motions to passed. These must be posted to
open f= orums=20 by midnight Friday, June 8th, 2001 in order to support this
motion.




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\ / | \___/ |=20 \_____\
`-'
-Devon Jacobs-
-Grand Silly Kniggit-
--Speaker of= Our=20 Nomic--


------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0EF88.48A15FE0-- From djacobs@n... Thu Jun 07 21:48:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 04:48:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 34892 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 04:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 04:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 04:48:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 17783 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 04:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.161) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 04:49:20 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010608005407.00809650@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:54:07 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Motion Seconded, and Thirdedededed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} The motion to recess has enough support to carry. According to rule 319, Within one week of this motion, 2/3 of the active registered voters must respond to any open forum either in support or opposition to the motion. If a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our Nomic is considered in recess. The deadline for the motion is Midnight, Thursday June 14, 2001. Some of the newer players are probably thinking to themselves "what the %#@#$ are these guys thinking!?!?!!?" well, we encountered much of the same situation last year with summer, and school, and everyone generally wanting to spend their free time somewhere besides glued to a computer screen. voter turnout dropped to nothing, and the discussion list didn't get a post for weeks... we decided that it would be better to have a recess over the summer, instead of trying to push on into a dying game that nobody was going to pay attention to anyway. it was probably the only thing that saved our nomic in the first year. In fact, according to the records of other known nomics, we appear to be the only nomic in history to survive a recess over 30 days! We went about our summer activities with reckless abandon and had a lot of fun. then when the chill of fall and the impending doom of returning to work in September came upon us in late august, we rejoined the game with lots of new ideas and energy, making the game even more fun and interesting then it had been when we left it. so I urge you to respond to the discussion list in favor of this proposal, and if you're really intent on winning the game, and you have more spare time than most... write some really cool props over the recess, and be ready to pounce on us when we re-conviene!!! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From djacobs@n... Thu Jun 14 04:08:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 11:08:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 12091 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 11:08:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 11:08:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 11:08:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 18737 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 11:08:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO devon) (198.175.11.154) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 11:08:39 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010614071110.0080eca0@a...> X-Sender: djacobs@a... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:11:10 -0400 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: RECESS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-eGroups-From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} Hi folks!! ffff,0000,0000Just a reminder that the deadline for the motion is Midnight TONIGHT!! Remember that 2/3 of the active registered voters must respond to any open forum either in support or opposition to the motion to recess. If a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our Nomic is considered in recess. WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY!!! it doesn't matter whether you are for or against recess, you need to post it to the discussion list!!!!! ASAP! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From brian_lord@i... Thu Jun 14 05:26:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Brian_Lord@i... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 12:26:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 57991 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 12:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 12:26:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO isserv9.idx.com) (198.181.234.35) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 12:26:15 -0000 Received: by isserv9.idx.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 85256A6B.00444342 ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:25:36 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IDX1 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256A6B.00444240.00@i...> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:24:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] RECESS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=iU2a6dW5ntko8iZ3MEz18VX7j8YCCnL61Ug4d2FJeRgUcCsu7e98TZrw" Content-Disposition: inline From: brian_lord@i... --0__=iU2a6dW5ntko8iZ3MEz18VX7j8YCCnL61Ug4d2FJeRgUcCsu7e98TZrw Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I am for the recess. It will give me time to try and read through all the rules and motions. :-) thanks |--------+-----------------------> | | Devon Jacobs | | | {Darkstar} | | | | | | | | | 06/14/01 | | | 07:11 AM | | | Please | | | respond to | | | on_discussion| | | | |--------+-----------------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com | | cc: (bcc: Brian Lord/BOSTON/IDX1) | | Subject: [on_discussion] RECESS | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------| --0__=iU2a6dW5ntko8iZ3MEz18VX7j8YCCnL61Ug4d2FJeRgUcCsu7e98TZrw Content-type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hi folks!! Just a reminder that the deadline for the motion is Midnight TONIGHT!! Remember that 2/3 of the active registered voters must respond to any open forum either in support or opposition to the motion to recess. If a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our Nomic is considered in recess. WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY!!! it doesn't matter whether you are for or against recess, you need to post it to the discussion list!!!!! ASAP! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- --0__=iU2a6dW5ntko8iZ3MEz18VX7j8YCCnL61Ug4d2FJeRgUcCsu7e98TZrw-- From fur@w... Thu Jun 14 05:27:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fur@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 12:27:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 66066 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 12:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 12:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 12:27:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 5059 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 12:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.83) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 12:27:36 -0000 To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] MOTION FOR RECESS... Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:24:40 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0F4AB.7530EEE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20010607074729.007f77f0@a...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Fur" ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0F4AB.7530EEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nay on recess D......... -J -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 7:47 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] MOTION FOR RECESS... Fellow Nomicsylvanians, To begin with, I must complement you on your participation... when game 2 started, we had over 70% participation!! that's possibly the highest rate since we grew larger than 3 players!! kudos... We have however seen a severe decline in activity here in the past two weeks... as it is summer, and finally nice out, this is not uncommon... Also as many of us are in the education field (either as student or teacher) this is the time of year where all hell breaks loose finishing the tasks for the school year. This leaves precious little time to be glued to the monitor of our computers for gameplay... Luckily, this type of seasonal catastrophe is not unforseen... in fact our previous speaker, in his infinite wisdom wrote provisions into the ruleset to overcome this exact occurance, and keep Our Nomic alive and well... Therefore, Under rule 319 "School's Out...Forever!" in the current ruleset, I move for a recess. The recess shall commence upon 2/3 majority positive vote and last until midnight August 18th, 2001. During this period of recess, the forums of discussion continue to operate upon the discretion of the moderator of that forum. However, no new proposals can be submitted or acted upon until the recess ends. Any proposals in the Hopper shall be acted upon on the date that was assigned to them, by the Speaker, regardless of the recess. During this time, I encourage you to re-read the ruleset, especially those just starting out... as many changes have been made in the past few months... now would also be an excellent time to think about some SETS of props that would create a subgame, create procedures, or change the structure of the nomic. Remember it only takes 10 successful props to win the game!!! Upon the date stated as the end of the recess, all functions of Our Nomic shall return to pre-recess status. This motion needs two supportive motions to passed. These must be posted to open forums by midnight Friday, June 8th, 2001 in order to support this motion. . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0F4AB.7530EEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nay on=20 recess D.........
 
-J
-----Original Message-----
From: Devon Jacobs {Darksta= r}=20 [mailto:djacobs@n...]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 7:4= 7=20 AM
To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject:=20 [on_discussion] MOTION FOR RECESS...

Fellow=20 Nomicsylvanians,
To begin with, I must complement you on your=20 participation... when game 2 started, we had over 70% participation!! tha= t's=20 possibly the highest rate since we grew larger than 3 players!!=20 kudos...

We have however seen a severe decline in activity here in= the=20 past two weeks... as it is summer, and finally nice out, this is not=20 uncommon... Also as many of us are in the education field (either as stud= ent=20 or teacher) this is the time of year where all hell breaks loose finishin= g the=20 tasks for the school year. This leaves precious little time to be glued t= o the=20 monitor of our computers for gameplay... Luckily, this type of seasonal=20 catastrophe is not unforseen... in fact our previous speaker, in his infi= nite=20 wisdom wrote provisions into the ruleset to overcome this exact occurance= , and=20 keep Our Nomic alive and well...

Therefore, Under rule 319 "Sch= ool's=20 Out...Forever!" in the current ruleset, I move for a recess. The recess s= hall=20 commence upon 2/3 majority positive vote and last until midnight August 1= 8th,=20 2001.

During this period of recess, the forums of discussion= =20 continue to operate upon the discretion of the moderator of that forum.=20 However, no new proposals can be submitted or acted upon until the recess= =20 ends. Any proposals in the Hopper shall be acted upon on the date that wa= s=20 assigned to them, by the Speaker, regardless of the recess.

Durin= g=20 this time, I encourage you to re-read the ruleset, especially those just= =20 starting out... as many changes have been made in the past few months... = now=20 would also be an excellent time to think about some SETS of props that wo= uld=20 create a subgame, create procedures, or change the structure of the nomic= .=20 Remember it only takes 10 successful props to win the game!!!

Upon= the=20 date stated as the end of the recess, all functions of Our Nomic shall re= turn=20 to pre-recess status.


This m= otion=20 needs two supportive motions to passed. These must be posted to
open f= orums=20 by midnight Friday, June 8th, 2001 in order to support this
motion.




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(Oo / _I_
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|___|::oOo::|
/=20 |:<_T_>:|
|_____\ ::: /
| | \ \:/
| | | |
\ / | \___/ |=20 \_____\
`-'
-Devon Jacobs-
-Grand Silly Kniggit-
--Speaker of= Our=20 Nomic--


------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0F4AB.7530EEE0-- From sgamer@s... Thu Jun 14 07:17:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sgamer@s... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 14:17:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 14502 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 14:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 14:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net) (151.164.30.28) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 14:17:18 -0000 Received: from GamesComputer ([208.188.224.233]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with SMTP id <0GEX00BF0BB523@m...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:09:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:10:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] RECESS To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <003d01c0f4db$d650ab40$0b01a8c0@Workgroup> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: <3.0.2.32.20010614071110.0080eca0@a...> X-Priority: 3 From: smartgamer Sorry, I already put my two cents in. NEA. Maybe we should write a "slow-summer rule:" All time limits are extended by their own amount- doubles the amount of time to do anything... --Adam Norberg ----- Original Message ----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:11 AM Subject: [on_discussion] RECESS Hi folks!! Just a reminder that the deadline for the motion is Midnight TONIGHT!! Remember that 2/3 of the active registered voters must respond to any open forum either in support or opposition to the motion to recess. If a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our Nomic is considered in recess. WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY!!! it doesn't matter whether you are for or against recess, you need to post it to the discussion list!!!!! ASAP! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- From falcon.arendell@w... Thu Jun 14 07:47:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: falcon.arendell@w... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 14:47:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 32877 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 14:46:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 14:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pmesmtp01.wcom.com) (199.249.20.1) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 14:46:14 -0000 Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GEX006D1D02L2@f...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:45:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GEX00G01CZZNB@p...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:45:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cay60966 ([166.44.64.125]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GEX00G1VCZOF1@p...> for on_discussion@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:45:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:45:23 -0400 Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECESS In-reply-to: <3.0.2.32.20010614071110.0080eca0@a...> To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <00c601c0f4e0$a5477830$7d402ca6@cay60966> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gLNJQplBmhogfHtdSbQ0Yg)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal From: Falcon Arendell --Boundary_(ID_gLNJQplBmhogfHtdSbQ0Yg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I vote nay on the recess. This is not a fast paced game, and it seems that dedicating one hour per week is plenty to keep up with what is going on. If folks are going on vacation, there are rules for that. I think that we should trudge on. __________________________________ Falcon Arendell Vice President of Self Referencial Services www.wwwcom.com "This sentence would be seven words long if it were six words shorter." -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:11 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] RECESS Hi folks!! Just a reminder that the deadline for the motion is Midnight TONIGHT!! Remember that 2/3 of the active registered voters must respond to any open forum either in support or opposition to the motion to recess. If a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our Nomic is considered in recess. WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY!!! it doesn't matter whether you are for or against recess, you need to post it to the discussion list!!!!! ASAP! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- --Boundary_(ID_gLNJQplBmhogfHtdSbQ0Yg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

I vo= te nay on the recess.  This is not a= fast paced game, and it seems that dedicating one hour per week is plenty to kee= p up with what is going on.  If fo= lks are going on vacation, there are rules for that.  I think that we should trudge on.

 

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Falcon Arendell<= /font>

Vice President of Self Referencial Services

www.wwwcom.com

 

<= span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>"This sentence would be seven wo= rds long if it were six words shorter."

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar= } [mailto:djacobs@n...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 200= 1 7:11 AM
To: on_discussion@yahoogroup= s.com
Subject: [on_discussion] REC= ESS

 <= /o:p>

Hi folks!!

Just a reminder that the deadline for the motion is Midnight TONIGHT!!
Remember that 2/3 of the active registered voters must respond to any open forum either= in support or opposition to the motion to recess. If a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our Nomic is considered in rece= ss.
WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY!!! it doesn't matter whether you are for or against recess, you need to post it to the discussion list!!!!! ASAP!




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-Devon Jacobs-
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--Boundary_(ID_gLNJQplBmhogfHtdSbQ0Yg)-- From chammond@i... Thu Jun 14 09:17:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: chammond@i... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 16:17:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 59370 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 16:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 16:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.246) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 16:17:01 -0000 Received: from callie [209.42.249.121] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A397DE1C0076; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:17:27 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c0f4ed$bcbb6c80$79f92ad1@callie> To: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] RECESS Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:19:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F4CC.340F5660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Callie Hammond" ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F4CC.340F5660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am for the recess. Callie Hammond Fuquay-Varina, NC=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F4CC.340F5660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am for the recess.
 
Callie Hammond
Fuquay-Varina, NC=20
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F4CC.340F5660-- From brian_lord@i... Thu Jun 14 10:14:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Brian_Lord@i... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 17:14:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 7981 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 17:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 17:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO isserv9.idx.com) (198.181.234.35) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 17:14:05 -0000 Received: by isserv9.idx.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 85256A6B.005E9CEB ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:13:25 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IDX1 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <85256A6B.005E9C26.00@i...> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:11:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [on_discussion] RECESS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=kz7YH8yNSmhHM7jh4kQuiyEEpP7oVLgAki4s45KKjQVZLUfZV3m6hAqw" Content-Disposition: inline From: brian_lord@i... --0__=kz7YH8yNSmhHM7jh4kQuiyEEpP7oVLgAki4s45KKjQVZLUfZV3m6hAqw Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Now you know Callie this is not the same type of recess they have at school. You don't get to go out and play on the swings, or jump rope or anything. ;-) For those of you that do not know, Callie is a school teacher. So it is natural that she would want recess. I think it's an imposed response. |--------+-----------------------> | | "Callie | | | Hammond" | | | | | | | | | 06/14/01 | | | 12:19 PM | | | Please | | | respond to | | | on_discussion| | | | |--------+-----------------------> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com | | cc: (bcc: Brian Lord/BOSTON/IDX1) | | Subject: Re: [on_discussion] RECESS | >----------------------------------------------------------------------------| I am for the recess. Callie Hammond Fuquay-Varina, NC --0__=kz7YH8yNSmhHM7jh4kQuiyEEpP7oVLgAki4s45KKjQVZLUfZV3m6hAqw Content-type: text/html; name="att1.htm" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="att1.htm" Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-Description: Internet HTML PCFET0NUWVBFIEhUTUwgUFVCTElDICItLy9XM0MvL0RURCBIVE1MIDQuMCBUcmFuc2l0aW9u YWwvL0VOIj4NCjxIVE1MPjxIRUFEPg0KPE1FVEEgY29udGVudD0idGV4dC9odG1sOyBjaGFy c2V0PXdpbmRvd3MtMTI1MiIgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj1Db250ZW50LVR5cGU+DQo8TUVUQSBjb250 ZW50PSJNU0hUTUwgNS4wMC4yMzE0LjEwMDAiIG5hbWU9R0VORVJBVE9SPjwvSEVBRD4NCjxC T0RZIGJnQ29sb3I9I2ZmZmZmZj4NCjxESVY+PEZPTlQgc2l6ZT0yPkkgYW0gZm9yIHRoZSBy ZWNlc3MuPC9GT05UPjwvRElWPg0KPERJVj4mbmJzcDs8L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+PEZPTlQgc2l6 ZT0yPkNhbGxpZSBIYW1tb25kPEJSPkZ1cXVheS1WYXJpbmEsIE5DIA0KPC9GT05UPjwvRElW Pg0KPGJyPg0KDQoNCg0KDQo8YnI+DQo8dHQ+DQpUbyB1bnN1YnNjcmliZSBmcm9tIHRoaXMg Z3JvdXAsIHNlbmQgYW4gZW1haWwgdG86PEJSPg0Kb25fZGlzY3Vzc2lvbi11bnN1YnNjcmli ZUBvbmVsaXN0LmNvbTxCUj4NCjxCUj4NCjwvdHQ+DQo8YnI+DQoNCjxicj4NCjx0dD5Zb3Vy IHVzZSBvZiBZYWhvbyEgR3JvdXBzIGlzIHN1YmplY3QgdG8gdGhlIDxhIGhyZWY9Imh0dHA6 Ly9kb2NzLnlhaG9vLmNvbS9pbmZvL3Rlcm1zLyI+WWFob28hIFRlcm1zIG9mIFNlcnZpY2U8 L2E+LjwvdHQ+DQo8L2JyPg0KDQo8L0JPRFk+PC9IVE1MPg0KDQo= --0__=kz7YH8yNSmhHM7jh4kQuiyEEpP7oVLgAki4s45KKjQVZLUfZV3m6hAqw-- From chammond@i... Thu Jun 14 13:20:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: chammond@i... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 20:20:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 78606 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 20:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 20:20:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.246) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 20:20:28 -0000 Received: from callie [209.42.249.123] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id ACABE4950076; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:20:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c0f50f$c3996b20$7bf92ad1@callie> To: Subject: Re: [on_discussion] RECESS Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:22:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F4EE.3BAD97C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 From: "Callie Hammond" ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F4EE.3BAD97C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Speak for yourself. I fully intend to go out and swing on the swings and j= ump rope. Callie Hammond Fuquay-Varina, NC=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F4EE.3BAD97C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; boundary="0__=kz7YH8yNSmhHM7jh4kQuiyEEpP7oVLgAki4s45KKjQVZLUfZV3m6hAqw"; charset="iso-8859-1" [Attachment content not displayed.] ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F4EE.3BAD97C0-- From windrant@n... Thu Jun 14 15:26:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: windrant@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 22:26:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 92484 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 22:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 22:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aldus.northnet.org) (198.175.11.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 22:26:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 5575 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 22:26:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO callisto) (216.238.37.127) by aldus.northnet.org with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 22:26:30 -0000 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECESS Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:23:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0F4FF.2123B540" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00c601c0f4e0$a5477830$7d402ca6@cay60966> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Windrant" ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0F4FF.2123B540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We do have a rule for this... School's Out Forever... I go weeks during the summer without going online. If we don't go on recess I will go on excused status and the webpages will not be updated. If you really want the game to die for the length of the summer... then please go right ahead and nay this. Devon has stated that he would like the summer off too... then what happens? If he takes a break then what? If I'm not mistaken, when I was Speaker I called temporary breaks. Devon could conceivably call the game off until August without violating any rules with the Our Nomic... after all we still have 116. Please tolerate us old folk who need time off to enjoy the sun and get out and socialize. I know the new folk don't realize this but I started this game so I could distract myself from the 4 feet of snow piled outside my window. This is a poor weather nomic. If I have other things to do... I would like to them without missing anything. I think the professional teachers, middle and high school students and college student in this crowd can understand what an incredibly valuable thing the summer is... Well, either way... as of 12:01 AM you folks can consider me on Excused status. See you in August! Chuck Henry The First Speaker, Historian, and Founder of Our Nomic www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic -----Original Message----- From: Falcon Arendell [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:45 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECESS I vote nay on the recess. This is not a fast paced game, and it seems that dedicating one hour per week is plenty to keep up with what is going on. If folks are going on vacation, there are rules for that. I think that we should trudge on. __________________________________ Falcon Arendell Vice President of Self Referencial Services www.wwwcom.com "This sentence would be seven words long if it were six words shorter." -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:11 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] RECESS Hi folks!! Just a reminder that the deadline for the motion is Midnight TONIGHT!! Remember that 2/3 of the active registered voters must respond to any open forum either in support or opposition to the motion to recess. If a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our Nomic is considered in recess. WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY!!! it doesn't matter whether you are for or against recess, you need to post it to the discussion list!!!!! ASAP! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0F4FF.2123B540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We do=20 have a rule for this... School's Out Forever...
 
I go=20 weeks during the summer without going online.  If we don't go on reces= s I=20 will go on excused status and the webpages will not be updated.  If yo= u=20 really want the game to die for the length of the summer... then please go = right=20 ahead and nay this.  Devon has stated that he would like the summer of= f=20 too... then what happens?  If he takes a break then what?  If I'm= not=20 mistaken, when I was Speaker I called temporary breaks.  Devon could=20 conceivably call the game off until August without violating any rules with= the=20 Our Nomic... after all we still have 116.
 
Please=20 tolerate us old folk who need time off to enjoy the sun and get out and=20 socialize.  I know the new folk don't realize this but I started this = game=20 so I could distract myself from the 4 feet of snow piled outside my=20 window.  This is a poor weather nomic.  If I have other things to= =20 do... I would like to them without missing anything.
 
I=20 think the professional teachers, middle and high school students and colleg= e=20 student in this crowd can understand what an incredibly valuable thing the= =20 summer is...
 
Well,=20 either way... as of 12:01 AM you folks can consider me on Excused status.&n= bsp;=20 See you in August!
 

Chuck Henry
T= he First= Speaker,=20 Historian, and Founder of Ou= r=20 Nomic
www.northnet.org/windrant/OurNomic

-----Original Message-----
From: Falcon Arendell=20 [mailto:falcon.arendell@w...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001= =20 10:45 AM
To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: R= E:=20 [on_discussion] RECESS

I vote=20 nay on the recess.  This is= not a=20 fast paced game, and it seems that dedicating one hour per week is plenty= to=20 keep up with what is going on.  If=20 folks are going on vacation, there are rules for that.  I think that we should trudge=20 on.

 =

__________________________________

Falcon=20 Arendell

Vice President of Self Referenc= ial=20 Services

www.wwwcom.com

 = ;

"This sentence would be seven word= s long=20 if it were six words shorter."

 =

-----Origina= l=20 Message-----
From: Dev= on=20 Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:11= =20 AM
To:=20 on_discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [on_discussion]=20 RECESS

 =

Hi folks!!

Just a reminder that the deadline for the mot= ion is=20 Midnight TONIGHT!!
Remember that 2/3 of the active= =20 registered voters must re= spond=20 to any open forum either in support or opposition to the motion to recess= . If=20 a majority of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our = Nomic=20 is considered in recess.
WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY!!! it doesn't= =20 matter whether you are for or against recess, you need to post it to the= =20 discussion list!!!!! ASAP!




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/=20 |:<_T_>:|
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| | \ \:/
| | | |
\ / | \___/ |=20 \_____\
`-'
-Devon Jacobs-
-Grand Silly Kniggit-
--Speaker of= Our=20 Nomic--



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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0F4FF.2123B540-- From jands1@f... Thu Jun 14 16:07:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jands1@f... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 23:07:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 50785 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 23:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 23:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 23:07:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jands1@f... Received: from [10.1.10.103] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2001 23:07:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:07:43 -0000 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RECESS Message-ID: <9gbg3v+sa2d@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 383 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 206.57.106.137 From: jands1@f... Hello All, As a graduate student who is VERY much in need of time away from the computer screen, I vote yea on the recess. I realize some of you just got here and want to see where we can take this game, but take some advice from a few of the old fogies. Use this time to bone up on the rules and write some good props as Devon suggested. See y'all in August! -Scott Morgan From mattkeppel@y... Thu Jun 14 19:37:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mattkeppel@y... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 Jun 2001 02:37:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 78124 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 02:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2001 02:37:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web12105.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.172.25) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 02:37:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010615023718.77233.qmail@w...> Received: from [64.30.153.198] by web12105.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:37:18 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [on_discussion] Re: RECESS To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9gbg3v+sa2d@eGroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Matthew Keppel I vote yeah for the recess. As a fellow teacher, I'm basing this on the simple fact that my brain is fried... Matt Lesser Silly Kniggit, NFT Task Force Head, and something, something... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From kandelar@n... Thu Jun 14 20:35:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kandelar@n... X-Apparently-To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 Jun 2001 03:35:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 97494 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 03:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2001 03:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fourbarrel.nwlink.com) (209.20.130.47) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 03:35:54 -0000 Received: from kandelar (ip158.gte26.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.207.158]) by fourbarrel.nwlink.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5F3ZqU28581 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003101c0f54d$60821a80$fb00a8c0@kandelar> To: References: <00c601c0f4e0$a5477830$7d402ca6@cay60966> Subject: Re: [on_discussion] RECESS Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:43:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0F512.AF9EA4C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 From: "Mark Risen" ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0F512.AF9EA4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Falcon. I read my e-mail every other day, so I can handle anyt= hing that comes in, slow or not. I vote Nay. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Falcon Arendell=20 To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:45 AM Subject: RE: [on_discussion] RECESS I vote nay on the recess. This is not a fast paced game, and it seems th= at dedicating one hour per week is plenty to keep up with what is going on.= If folks are going on vacation, there are rules for that. I think that w= e should trudge on. =20=20=20 __________________________________ Falcon Arendell Vice President of Self Referencial Services www.wwwcom.com =20=20=20 "This sentence would be seven words long if it were six words shorter." =20=20=20 -----Original Message----- From: Devon Jacobs {Darkstar} [mailto:djacobs@n...] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:11 AM To: on_discussion@yahoogroups.com Subject: [on_discussion] RECESS =20=20=20 Hi folks!! Just a reminder that the deadline for the motion is Midnight TONIGHT!! Remember that 2/3 of the active registered voters must respond to any ope= n forum either in support or opposition to the motion to recess. If a major= ity of voters who responded to the motion are in support then Our Nomic is = considered in recess.=20 WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY!!! it doesn't matter whether you are for o= r against recess, you need to post it to the discussion list!!!!! ASAP! . / \ | | |.| |.| |:| __ ,_|:|_, / ) (Oo / _I_ +\ \ || __| \ \||___| \ /.:.\-\ |.:. /-----\ |___|::oOo::| / |:<_T_>:| |_____\ ::: / | | \ \:/ | | | | \ / | \___ / | \_____\ `-' -Devon Jacobs- -Grand Silly Kniggit- --Speaker of Our Nomic-- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: on_discussion-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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I agree with Falcon. I read my e-mail ever= y other=20 day, so I can handle anything that comes in, slow or not. I vote=20 Nay.
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