From Kevan Davis Wed Jun 17 09:31:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16701 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jun 1998 16:31:27 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 1998 16:31:27 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29026 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:29:50 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29023 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:29:46 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p25.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.25]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04160 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:29:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:29:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806171629.RAA04160@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 7 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 6 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 10 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 1800 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | Bk || Embankment | Bk | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, Chocolate Bar | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Tottenham Court Road | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via:JL,MP,JL,CN,NT) [Courier Call] { Comments: LV increased to 10 from the sugar rush. ->Neasden ->Wembley Park ->Finchley Road ->Baker Street ->Bond Street ->Oxford Circus ->Tottenham Ct Rd ->Holborn ->Russell Square ->Kings Cross +2 Blue, +2 Red, +1 Black - Seven Interchanges +1 Silver - Five-Line Interchange -1 Black - Line Change (on Stockwell) Making a Courier Call, out of curiosity... } -- Kevan Davis - c94kd@d... - http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd - UIN:5998366 "She travels education class, reading poems on the Tube." -- My Life Story, "Angel" From Thu Jun 18 01:36:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14338 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 08:36:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 08:36:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA10053 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:35:02 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10032 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:34:56 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13574 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:34:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 08:34:53 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA06909; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:34:50 +0100 Message-Id: <199806180834.JAA06909@uks447> Date: 18 Jun 98 09:31:57 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Fwd: Registration MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_24601151_0_0" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) --=_ORCL_24601151_0_0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Am I the only one to have had this message? I've never heard of this outfit before, so is it just speculative spam? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle --=_ORCL_24601151_0_0 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Date: 17 Jun 98 17:26:22 From:ekklesia@c... Sender:ekklesia@c... To:crescent@c... Subject:Registration Return-Path: Received:from mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA19545; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:42:11 +0100 Received:from uksn98.uk.oracle.com (uksn98.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.67]) by mail-gw3.uk.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA05134 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:42:05 +0100 (BST) Received:from server8.aitcom.net ([208.234.0.9]) by uksn98.uk.oracle.com via smtpd (for ukaa04.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.99]) with SMTP; 17 Jun 1998 16:42:04 UT Received:from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by commslink.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21870 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:41:51 -0400 Received:from default (as001807.singnet.com.sg [165.21.207.197]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA27119 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:41:43 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id:<3.0.1.32.19980618002622.006f4f10@p...> X-Sender:riddles@p... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Mailing lsit expiring in 3 days. Please register. -------------------------- Invite you to visit www.commslink.com www.commslink.com/freehost/ www.commslink.com/webhost/ --=_ORCL_24601151_0_0-- From Richard Brockie Thu Jun 18 05:56:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5830 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 12:56:23 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 12:56:23 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24237 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:55:08 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [192.108.120.168]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24211 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:54:59 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:54:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:54:03 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 3 | 7 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | | Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 4 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 1400 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBk | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) { Comment: +1 Gold, token running, +1 Bk, same line, +1 Br, zone pass. Game time advanced, apologies for latish move, and I hope this gets through as our JANET connection appears to be down at the mo... } From Thu Jun 18 06:26:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1004 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 13:26:57 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 13:26:57 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25911 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:24:18 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25905 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:24:12 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA13911 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:24:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 13:24:10 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA13382; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:24:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199806181324.OAA13382@uks447> Date: 18 Jun 98 14:22:21 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 18-Jun-98 13:54 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 2 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | | Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 4 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 1500 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBk | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] { Comment: Changing line at King's Cross, although since I never actually travel along the Metropolitan there isn't a route per se. Complaints will obviously draw a repost. In full: -1 Bk for the Line Change -1 Bk for the Straddle Game Time advanced. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Thu Jun 18 07:42:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9555 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 14:42:41 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 14:42:41 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA29921 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:41:25 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29876 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:41:10 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25002 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:47:58 GMT Received: from kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@k... [146.227.102.33]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id PAA14137 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:41:02 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id PAA17911 for l-nomic@f...; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:40:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806181440.PAA17911@k...> Subject: Re: MN: Fwd: Registration To: l-nomic@f... Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:40:57 BST In-Reply-To: <199806180834.JAA06909@uks447>; from "Dunx" at Jun 18, 98 9:31 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Am I the only one to have had this message? Well, I'd not got it. > I've never heard of this outfit before, so is it just speculative spam? Presumably; the "crescent@" address is a little sinister and puzzling, but that fact that I didn't get a copy hopefully shifts the blame from this mailing list. I worried, for a moment, that it was down to the fact that I registered this list with FindMail yesterday - the Web page I mentioned a while back as giving free mailing lists also has an "archive any mailing list" option, which I thought would be useful for Mornomic. For those who are interested (I'll add a link from the Mornomic page in a while), the archive can be found at:- http://www.findmail.com/list/l-nomic/ But still; I think Findmail is devoid of suspicion - if it does turn out to be the cougher of random tripe (for it had to join the mailing list to receive the messages, of course), I'll kick it off the list. Kevan -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "It's kind of functional. It's a kind of 'twinned with Felixstowe' kind of place." -- Eddie Izzard From Thu Jun 18 09:08:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17542 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 16:08:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 16:08:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01779 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:07:50 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01776 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:07:46 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod125.interalpha.net [195.26.225.153]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA07472 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:10:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199806181610.RAA07472@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Game 4 Game State Document... Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:40:40 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > | Dunx | Finchley Central | 2 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | > | Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | > | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 0 | > | PaulWay | Oval | 4 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | > | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 1 | > | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | > |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | nb John went inactive due to apathy so it will be Slakko's turn now. -Graeme. From Thu Jun 18 10:42:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3738 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 17:42:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 17:42:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA06324 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:41:55 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06321 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:41:51 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod102.interalpha.net [195.26.225.130]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA11167 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:45:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199806181745.SAA11167@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Re: Game 4 Game State Document... Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:40:25 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > nb John went inactive due to apathy so it will be Slakko's turn now. "Jon", I mean. Do excuse me. -Graeme. From Thu Jun 18 11:35:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23114 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 18:35:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 18:35:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA09154 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:34:21 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA09150 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:34:18 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0ymjVo-0003tS-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:34:17 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 18 Jun 98 19:08:59 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 18 Jun 98 19:08:51 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:08:41 BST0GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 - BzZzZzZzZzZzT! In-reply-to: <199806171629.RAA04160@c...> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <18C8C69F77D3@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ > | Courier Call... Stockwell to Tottenham Court Road | > +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Courier stations must be outside Zone 1: which, I believe rules out Tottenham Court Road... though it's in no Quadrant, it is certainly in Zone 1. Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Thu Jun 18 15:19:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29325 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Jun 1998 22:19:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 22:19:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA20762 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:18:41 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20717 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:18:27 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id IAA02547; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:18:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma002512; Fri, 19 Jun 98 08:18:03 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:18:02 +1000 Message-ID: <80AD0BCF38A7D111A1F70000C0BFEFE308E353@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Fwd: Registration Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:39:07 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thursday, June 18, 1998 6:32 PM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > I've never heard of this outfit before, so is it just speculative spam? I haven't got it. I'd say it's a fairly typical scam designed to convince idiots to move over to MumbleCo's server. Keeping in mind that they can often offer free service because they tag advertising onto the lists and so forth, then it doesn't sound like a good idea to me. If you ever need a site to run the list, I can run small lists off my server here. It's sort of clandestine (it's running on our section server rather than our main list server, which everyone's hopefully forgotten about), but it works. Kev, what's the situation with Foobar again? Can we continue there? Lots of jelly-beans, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Kevan Davis Fri Jun 19 04:31:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31923 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jun 1998 11:31:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 11:31:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24418 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:27:51 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24414 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:27:46 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25360 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:34:37 GMT Received: from larch.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@l... [146.227.102.18]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id MAA03606 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:27:34 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by larch.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id MAA14842 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:27:30 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806191127.MAA14842@l...> Subject: Re: MN: RE: Fwd: Registration To: l-nomic@f... Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:27:28 BST In-Reply-To: <80AD0BCF38A7D111A1F70000C0BFEFE308E353@PIBCRMEXH001>; from "Wayper, Paul" at Jun 19, 98 7:39 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > If you ever need a site to run the list, I can run small lists off my > server here. It's sort of clandestine (it's running on our section > server rather than our main list server, which everyone's hopefully > forgotten about), but it works. Kev, what's the situation with Foobar > again? Can we continue there? Well, as I've said, I'm no longer in touch with the chap who let us have the list, so the thing could feasibly fall over or be removed at any moment. I need to look into changing the listowner address, as well, from my university address (which dies a quiet death in early July) to my home-access address; hopefully I can do that without having to ask Foobar nicely, but if such is required then things could be difficult. I'd be more comfortable if we had a list running elsewhere, I think; the possible instability of Foobar is a bit of a Sword of Damocles, and I'd rather be sitting somewhere else, given the choice. Kevan -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "Don't rewrite the books, just rewrite the title." -- My Life Story, "April 1st" From Kevan Davis Fri Jun 19 04:33:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32503 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jun 1998 11:33:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 11:33:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24751 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:32:34 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24747 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:32:28 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25576 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:39:20 GMT Received: from larch.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@l... [146.227.102.18]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id MAA03971 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:32:24 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by larch.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id MAA14862 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:32:20 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806191132.MAA14862@l...> Subject: MN: Game 7 Game State Document To: l-nomic@f... Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:32:17 BST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 6 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 10 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 1800 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | Bk || Embankment | Bk | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, Chocolate Bar | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via:JL,MP,JL,CN,NT) [Courier Call] { Comments: LV increased to 10 from the sugar rush. ->Neasden ->Wembley Park ->Finchley Road ->Baker Street ->Bond Street ->Oxford Circus ->Tottenham Ct Rd ->Holborn ->Russell Square ->Kings Cross +2 Blue, +2 Red, +1 Black - Seven Interchanges +1 Silver - Five-Line Interchange -1 Black - Line Change (on Stockwell) Phoning back and changing the Courier Call. Sorry about that, I forgot the Zone 1 restriction. } -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "I tried to surprise you, I crept up behind you with a homeless chihuahua." -- Morrissey, "King Leer" From Fri Jun 19 06:40:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2084 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jun 1998 13:40:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 13:40:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA30924 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:38:58 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA30921 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:38:54 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22211 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:36:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 13:36:01 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA28556; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:36:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199806191336.OAA28556@uks447> Date: 19 Jun 98 14:34:02 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: RE: Fwd: Registration X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 19-Jun-98 13:27 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Well, since the Wildly Panted One has registered a Findmail list we can see how that goes, spam-wise. The Findmail server certainly seems like a nice enough place. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Fri Jun 19 07:55:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31135 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jun 1998 14:55:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 14:55:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01867 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:53:42 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA01860 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:53:35 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yn2Xl-0003By-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:53:33 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 19 Jun 98 15:28:30 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 19 Jun 98 15:28:19 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:28:12 BST0GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: MN: Re: Registration In-reply-to: <199806191127.MAA14842@l...> References: <80AD0BCF38A7D111A1F70000C0BFEFE308E353@PIBCRMEXH001>; from "Wayper, Paul" at Jun 19, 98 7:39 am X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <18DD1A5026D3@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Well, as I've said, I'm no longer in touch with the chap who let us > have the list, so the thing could feasibly fall over or be removed at > any moment: the possible instability of Foobar is a bit of a Sword > of Damocles and I'd rather be sitting somewhere else, given the > choice. Erm, have I heard this somewhere before? A website where the person who let us on to the server is no longer around, for whatever reason, and the whole thing could go *vom* at any moment... Shades of Delphi, perhaps? Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Fri Jun 19 08:16:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23075 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Jun 1998 15:15:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 15:15:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA03161 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:15:07 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03132 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:15:00 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07415 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:14:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 15:14:58 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA10655; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:14:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199806191514.QAA10655@uks447> Date: 19 Jun 98 16:08:53 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Re: Registration X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 19-Jun-98 16:28 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Erm, have I heard this somewhere before? A website where the >person who let us on to the server is no longer around, for whatever >reason, and the whole thing could go *vom* at any moment... Shades of >Delphi, perhaps? So, this is new media... There are definite parallels, but then again the server and admin overhead for a mailing list is fairly slight so the piscines are in a varying situation, kettle-wise (as opposed to the content of a mailing list, which can impose a swingeing adminstrative overhead). After all, if worst comes to worst, we could probably run it all from personal mailing lists anyway. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Duncan Richer Sat Jun 20 14:46:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31824 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jun 1998 21:46:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 1998 21:46:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA21326 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:39:55 +0100 Received: from violet.csi.cam.ac.uk (violet.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.58]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21323 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:39:45 +0100 Received: from dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.151]) by violet.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for l-nomic@f... id 0ynVMN-00069g-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:39:43 +0100 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:43:02 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Richer To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document Message-ID: X-X-Sender: dcr24@i... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 2 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 4 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 1600 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBk | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] { Comment: +1 Bk same line +1 Br valid move in card area Game Time Advanced } From Mon Jun 22 07:03:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11859 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jun 1998 14:03:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 14:03:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01585 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:02:10 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA01579 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:02:03 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yo7AU-00026z-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:01:59 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jun 98 14:37:44 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jun 98 14:37:31 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:36:30 BST0GMT Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 Game State Document X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <192443975B1E@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 0 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 0 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 1900 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | BkBk || Embankment | BkRe | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shunting Kevan to Mill Hill East (NT)] {Comments: LV increased to 10 from the Chocolate Bar ->Neasden ->Wembley Park ->Finchley Road ->Baker Street ->Bond Street ->Oxford Circus ->Tottenham Ct Rd ->Holborn ->Russell Square ->Kings Cross +2 Blue, +2 Red, +1 Black - Seven Interchanges +1 Silver - Five-Line Interchange -1 Black - Line Change (on Stockwell) -1 Red - Shunt (on Embankment) +1 Silver - nicked from Kevan during the Shunt +1 Bronze - having Zone 1 Pass Well, that's always the danger of breaking a DH loop by any move except Home, Wild or Pass... Maximum LV increase next turn is 2 for both players. I considered letting you pick up the Parcel and shunting you afterwards, but decided against it. } Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Mon Jun 22 07:24:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28495 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jun 1998 14:23:59 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 14:23:59 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02534 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:23:18 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02527 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:23:12 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA17927 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:23:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 14:23:10 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00665; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:23:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199806221423.PAA00665@uks447> Date: 22 Jun 98 15:21:44 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 7 - An Observation X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 22-Jun-98 15:03 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) The last two moves were: > Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St > Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] > Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St > Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shunting Kevan to > Mill Hill East (NT)] Er... I don't think you needed to play a Dollis Escape Action, Jonathan - Kevan had already broken the loop. Not that that matters a great deal in the grand scheme of things, it was just an observation from an interested party. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Mon Jun 22 07:33:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30888 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jun 1998 14:33:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 14:33:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02997 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:29 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02990 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:24 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yo7du-0003rT-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:23 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jun 98 15:08:08 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jun 98 15:07:33 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:04:58 BST0GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 - An Observation In-reply-to: <199806221423.PAA00665@uks447> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <1924C3C179D2@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Er... I don't think you needed to play a Dollis Escape Action, Jonathan - > Kevan had already broken the loop. > > Not that that matters a great deal in the grand scheme of things, it was > just an observation from an interested party. Whoops. Silly me. In that case, I've got time to collect a Hat. I'll revise it accordingly. Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Mon Jun 22 07:34:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31215 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jun 1998 14:34:37 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 14:34:37 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03015 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:55 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA03010 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:51 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yo7eI-0003ty-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:32:46 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jun 98 15:08:32 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jun 98 15:08:22 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:08:08 BST0GMT Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 Game State Document X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <1924C73A15C1@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 0 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 2 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 0 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 1900 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | BkBk || Embankment | BkRe | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, Hat (O) | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shunting Kevan to Mill Hill East (NT)] [Collecting Hat] {Comments: LV increased to 10 from the Chocolate Bar ->Neasden ->Wembley Park ->Finchley Road ->Baker Street ->Bond Street ->Oxford Circus ->Tottenham Ct Rd ->Holborn ->Russell Square ->Kings Cross +2 Blue, +2 Red, +1 Black - Seven Interchanges +1 Silver - Five-Line Interchange -1 Black - Line Change (on Stockwell) -1 Red - Shunt (on Embankment) +1 Silver - nicked from Kevan during the Shunt +1 Bronze - having Zone 1 Pass Overground Hat Well, that's always the danger of breaking a DH loop by any move except Home, Wild or Pass... Maximum LV increase next turn is 2 for both players. I considered letting you pick up the Parcel and shunting you afterwards, but decided against it. } Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis Jonathan L. Ellis From Tue Jun 23 00:25:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5605 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jun 1998 07:25:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 07:25:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA19450 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:23:31 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19447 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:23:20 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id RAA17937; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:23:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma017915; Tue, 23 Jun 98 17:22:41 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:22:41 +1000 Message-ID: <80AD0BCF38A7D111A1F70000C0BFEFE308E358@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:22:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 2 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 1700 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] {Comments: AFAICS Dunx is no longer at Camden Town to be shunted - not that I really wanted to... honest. Also, not going through MC - moving from Euston to CamT as one move as per the right-hand-side of the Northern at Euston. This too should be OK, AFAICS. 10mins LV+3 10mins Move 10mins Suspect Package 5mins Token Claim 5mins Gambit Declare +1 Br (Zone 2 pass) +1 Br (Camden Town) +1 Bk (Same line) +1 Si (Five interchanges) -2 Rd (on Dollis Hill) (for Package) -1 Go, -3 Br (Official Cost of Gambit - NB) (all on Borough) Time has flown up to the next hour. Thank you for waiting... :-) } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Tue Jun 23 05:26:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12663 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jun 1998 12:26:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 12:26:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01281 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:24:32 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01278 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:24:27 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yoS7a-0001oH-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:24:22 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 23 Jun 98 13:00:23 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 23 Jun 98 13:00:17 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:00:15 BST0GMT Subject: MN: Game 7 Game State Document - revised again X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <193AA5576619@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 0 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 1 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 0 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 1 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 1900 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | BkBk || Embankment | Bk | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, Hat (O) | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Hat] {Comments: LV increased to 10 from the Chocolate Bar ->Neasden ->Wembley Park ->Finchley Road ->Baker Street ->Bond Street ->Oxford Circus ->Tottenham Ct Rd ->Holborn ->Russell Square ->Kings Cross +2 Blue, +2 Red, +1 Black - Seven Interchanges +1 Silver - Five-Line Interchange -1 Black - Line Change (on Stockwell) +1 Bronze - having Zone 1 Pass +1 Red - Shadowing Overground Hat Just realised I can't shunt Kevan from a Holy Station... I tried to get the Shunt in before the addition of Crosses to Holy Stations and forgot that Kings Cross was also SAINT Pancras... } Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Kevan Davis Tue Jun 23 05:30:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15996 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jun 1998 12:30:01 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 12:30:01 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01690 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:29:26 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01685 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:29:21 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07753 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:36:14 GMT Received: from kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@k... [146.227.102.33]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id NAA12448 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:29:17 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id NAA07311 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:29:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806231229.NAA07311@k...> Subject: MN: Game 7 Buzz To: l-nomic@f... Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:29:12 BST In-Reply-To: <1924C73A15C1@f...>; from "Jonathan L. Ellis" at Jun 22, 98 3:08 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St > Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] > Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC > via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shunting Kevan to Mill Hill East > (NT)] [Collecting Hat] Sanctuary! Sanctuary! Kings Cross is about the Holiest Station on the Map, I'm afraid. Shunt not, sir. Kevan -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "I planted some bird seed. A bird came up. Now I don't know what to feed it." -- Steven Wright From Kevan Davis Tue Jun 23 05:32:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18071 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jun 1998 12:32:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 12:32:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01777 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:31:32 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01773 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:31:26 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07802 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:38:19 GMT Received: from kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@k... [146.227.102.33]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id NAA12740 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:31:21 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id NAA07330 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:31:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806231231.NAA07330@k...> Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 Buzz To: l-nomic@f... Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:31:14 BST In-Reply-To: <199806231229.NAA07311@k...>; from "Kevan Davis" at Jun 23, 98 1:29 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > > > Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St > > Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] > > Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC > > via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shunting Kevan to Mill Hill East > > (NT)] [Collecting Hat] > > Sanctuary! Sanctuary! Kings Cross is about the Holiest Station on the > Map, I'm afraid. Shunt not, sir. I withdraw the Buzz, Jonathan having obviously spotted his oversight at the very moment I did. Tish. Kevan -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "REMIND ME AGAIN, he said, HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE." -- Death, "Small Gods (Pratchett)" From Kevan Davis Tue Jun 23 05:43:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23859 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jun 1998 12:43:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 12:43:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02293 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:42:53 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02290 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:42:48 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08322 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:49:41 GMT Received: from kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@k... [146.227.102.33]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id NAA13807 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:42:44 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id NAA07406 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:42:38 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806231242.NAA07406@k...> Subject: MN: Week Extension To: l-nomic@f... Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:42:36 BST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just to inform that I'm extending the Week-End until 11:59am on Thursday of this week - many vital files still rest on Julie's PC, and I'll have to FTP them to my university account when I see her tonight, before I can turn eyes to the stuff of the Tuesday Desk. Sorry I couldn't say sooner, but I've been away from any semblance of access for a while. Kevan -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "This is not a sin. It's not even original." -- The Divine Comedy, "In & Out of Paris & London" From Tue Jun 23 11:49:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20642 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jun 1998 18:49:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 18:49:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21172 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:48:14 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21165 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:47:59 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod106.interalpha.net [195.26.225.134]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA28419 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:52:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199806231852.TAA28419@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: RE: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:48:27 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 2 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 3 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 1800 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T,V), Chocolate Bar | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] {Comments: Nearly jumped out of my skin when I saw the opening Times of Turnham Green -- then, finally realised this only applied to the Piccadilly. Verdant is The Hat. 10 mins: [LV+1] 10 mins: [Token Run] 10 mins: Move 10 mins: [Purchasing] +1 Go: [Token Run]... I suddenly feel vulnerable... +1 Br: Station on Zone 2/3 boundary. +1 Bk: Same line. -1 Br: [Purchasing] - discarded. Sundry: +1 Hat, +1 Bar. Game Time advanced. } From Kevan Davis Wed Jun 24 03:43:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 501 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 10:43:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 10:43:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00313 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:41:55 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00310 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:41:49 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p16.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.16]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17432 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:41:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:41:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806241041.LAA17432@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 7 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 10 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 1 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 8 | 7 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 2 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 2000 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | BkBkBr || Embankment | Bk | | Monument | ReReRe || | | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, Hat (O) | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass, Parcel | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV-1] Stockwell (VC) [Bronze Token on Stockwell] [Collecting Parcel] [Fire at Pimlico] [Blocking Oval] { Comments: (Correcting both LVs from zero to ten, since that Shunt didn't actually take place...) Ludicrum tempus fugit. LV falls to 8 as the chocolate leaves my system. (This might be worth implementing as a compulsory '[LV-X]' Action in addition to the normal one, I suspect, taking the '[Eating...]' Action down to ten minutes to make up for it. Or just put the LV drop at the end of the Eating Turn, I suppose...) +1 Black for a same-Liner +1 Red for a two-Liner +1 Silver for passing Five Interchanges +1 Bronze for a Valid Move -1 Bronze for the Dropping -2 Red for the Fire (on Monument) -1 Red for the Block (on Monument) Do your worst, Ellis. } -- Kevan Davis - c94kd@d... - http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd - UIN:5998366 "We didn't have any of these sissy 'icons' and 'windows'. All we had were zeroes and ones. And sometimes we didn't even have ones." -- Dilbert From Kevan Davis Wed Jun 24 03:43:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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(Mornington Nomic) From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Week Extension Vagueness Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just a note to tell you not to hold your collective breaths for any Week-End stuff today - the crucial Mornomic files lay scattered between my university account and the Nottingham-based PC I sit typing at now; thanks to De Montfort's policy on such things, I can't dial in and fetch the necessary emails - unless I can get hold of my housemates and persuade them to trudge in and forward the necessary, the Week-End stuff won't be ready until the morrow. Sorry about this; the past week or so has been rather haphazard and disorganised, and it's taken a bit of a toll on my Speakerdom. Bear with me. Kevan -- Kevan Davis - c94kd@d... - http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd - UIN:5998366 "Ain't got a plan on paper, of a daring little caper; you know I wouldn't want to wet your eyes." -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "I'm Not Even Going To Try" From Wed Jun 24 03:49:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2892 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 10:49:41 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 10:49:41 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00682 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:49:09 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00679 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:49:06 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19069 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:49:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 10:49:04 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA13417; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:49:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199806241049.LAA13417@uks447> Date: 24 Jun 98 11:47:42 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 7 - Humorous Surname Confusion X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 24-Jun-98 11:41 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Kevan wrote: > Do your worst, Ellis. ... and I thought "But I'm not playing in this game!" Then I remembered. Ho hum. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Wed Jun 24 08:54:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7398 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 15:54:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 15:54:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15760 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:53:21 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [192.108.120.168]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15757 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:53:12 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:53:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:53:02 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 2 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 3 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 1900 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T,V), Chocolate Bar | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) { Comments: -1 Bk for changing lines, +1 Bk for passing through 3 interchanges, +1 Br for zone pass, er, that's it... and Game Time advanced. } --- miKi From Wed Jun 24 11:07:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21681 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 18:07:22 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 18:07:22 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23104 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:05:31 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23098 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:05:20 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA14549 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:05:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 18:05:17 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA16873; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:05:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199806241805.TAA16873@uks447> Date: 24 Jun 98 15:11:30 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Bifurcation MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I've been thinking about putting forward a Special Ruleset Proposal to allow Bifurcation, which I'm sure you would agree is a pretty important part of the MC culture. I just wanted to float these ideas past people to see how sea-worthy they are, and also to ask for suggestions on a thorny problem that might sink the whole thing. As an example (and unnecessary reminder), a typical bifurcated move in York-style MC is - Dunx: Victoria / Vauxhall The usual style of play requires that if one player bifurcates, then all others must follow suit. Furthermore, in order to win then both parts of the bifurcation must reach MC. Things that can happen to bifurcations include being created, being unified (ie collapsing a bifurcation back to a single thread), and having its degree increased (what might generically be termed n-furcation). Trifurcation, quadrifurcation, and even higher degrees have been achieved. So - how should this apply to Mornington Nomic? My thinking is that there should be two varieties of Bifurcation: of Piece, and of Game. I'll look at each of these in turn, starting with the easiest first. Piece Bifurcation (which I shall term Duplication from here on) is a way for the Player to gain another Piece on the board. The new Piece would spring into existence at the point at which the Duplication took place and would henceforth be independent. Each of the pieces would get a Move and would be identified by an index number suffix on the Player's name. The Pieces would Move in the order of their index numbers, but would both move on the same map. So, for instance if I were to play a Duplication - Dunx-1 : Victoria (VC) [Duplicate] Dunx-2 : [LV+2] Vauxhall (VC) ... Dunx-1 : Oxford Circus (VC) Dunx-2 : [LV+1] Kennington (NT via VC) My thinking was that these Pieces would share Possessions, since they are really attributes of the Player rather than of the Piece, but that the Line Velocities would be independent. This brings up the thorny problem - there is currently only on LV value in the GSD per Player. I will address this further later. The advantages for a Player are that there are now two Pieces to gather token bonuses and the two could be a powerful attacking formation. The downside is that there are two Pieces paying Token costs! In order for a Player to win, e would have to get both of eir Pieces to MC, for instance. Similarly, there are multiple targets for Possession theft. Unifying a Duplication would be simple - just ensure that both Pieces to be rejoined are in the same place and, perhaps, have the same LV. As effectively an attacking Action, Duplication should have a Token cost associated with it (two Silvers?). Game Bifurcation would be handled in a similar way, except that all Players would gain an extra Piece and that extra Piece would be on a separate copy of the map. For the sake of sanity, I would suggest that Wild Stations, Knip, and Bridges are kept common though. The notation for Game Bifurcation should be similar to but not incompatible with that for Piece Duplication. My thinking was an ID letter prefix: A-Dunx : Victoria (VC) [Bifurcate] B-Dunx : [LV+2] Vauxhall (VC) ... A-Dunx : Oxford Circus (VC) B-Dunx : [LV+1] Kennington (NT via VC) As with Duplication, Possessions should be shared with LV being independent. Triggering Bifurcation should, I think, be based more on a set of conditions than a Token cost eg travelling clockwise on the Circle with an LV in excess of 8. Unifying Bifurcation is less obvious than Duplication - I would have thought that one branch could say it wished to absorb or eliminate another. For a Bifurcated Game, once again both branches would need be won to win the whole Game - each Move to MC would close off that branch. This would effectively constitute a voluntary unification. You may gather from my choice of compatible notations that I think you should be able to combine these. Also note that there isn't anything to stop you logically from Duplicating or Bifurcating multiple times... Does this make any sense? I'm kean on this idea because it is conceptually very simple, but could work in combination with itself to make things jolly interesting. As I say, the LV independence issue is a real problem. The only thing I've managed to come up with is to try moving the LV value when a bifurcation effect is active, and to mark the token table with a blanking placeholder. For instance: B-Dunx (2) : [LV+2] Vauxhall (VC) ... but that isn't very pretty at all. Any thoughts? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Jun 24 11:43:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22969 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 18:43:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 18:43:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24949 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:42:10 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24945 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:42:01 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0youUT-00017I-00; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:41:54 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 24 Jun 98 19:18:15 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 24 Jun 98 19:18:01 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:17:52 BST0GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MN: Bifurcation In-reply-to: <199806241805.TAA16873@uks447> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <1958F1E80043@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > My thinking is that there should be two varieties of Bifurcation: of Piece, > and of Game. I'll look at each of these in turn, starting with the easiest > first. > > Piece Bifurcation (which I shall term Duplication from here > on) is a way for the Player to gain another Piece on the board. The new > Piece would spring into existence at the point at which the Duplication > took place and would henceforth be independent. I'm not sure about this bit. After all, it's easier to gain Tokens than to lose them, and allowing one Player to Bifurcate without other Players doing so strikes me as getting an unfair advantage. Especially if the Bifurcated Player had control of the Drone as well - three pieces going around collecting Tokens. This is IMHO a bit much. Bringing in bifurcation is a good idea, though, and I like this bit about Game Bifurcation better... > Game Bifurcation would be handled in a similar way, except that all > Players would gain an extra Piece and that extra Piece would be on a > separate copy of the map. For the sake of sanity, I would suggest that > Wild Stations, Knip, and Bridges are kept common though. *snip* Great idea. I'd vote for that if I was going to be around to do so, which I'm not... I'd also suggest that all strands of a Bifurcation must take place within the single hour that a Player has to make eir Move (or two hours, if a Blue Token is paid, etc.) Strand A and Strand B, therefore, can only take up one hour between them... > Unifying Bifurcation is less obvious than Duplication - I would have > thought that one branch could say it wished to absorb or eliminate > another. My suggestion is this: Any Player may unify the Bifurcation with the Action [Unifying Threads and ] (with no cost) by playing a Move which brings both eir Pieces together at the same Station, on the same Line, with the same Line Velocity and Line Direction. If the Game is or was Bifurcated, and another Active Player's last move included [Unifying Threads and ] (where X and Y are threads of a Bifurcation, Trifurcation or greater number of split threads), then the Player whose Turn it is to Move must move eir Pieces from both relevant Threads to the same location and Line on that Move: if both Threads cannot achieve the same LV, then the lower value is used for that Player's next Turn. If it is not possible for the Player to move both eir relevant Pieces to the same location on one move after a Reunifying move has been played, that Player must pay 2 Silver Tokens and play a move of [Home] in both threads, reunifying at the Home Station with an LV of zero. If e does not have enough Tokens to pay the penalty, e must pay them as soon as e can, splitting [Gold to Silver] if necessary. {Comments: A forced unification, therefore, has both branches using a 30-minute Action, and therefore no other Actions permitted as it takes up the full hour... meanwhile, the "natural" unification, where both threads *can* move to the same Station and Line, pays no penalty.} > For a Bifurcated Game, once again both branches would need be won to win > the whole Game - each Move to MC would close off that branch. This would > effectively constitute a voluntary unification. I'd still suggest that a Bifurcated Player may not move to MC unless all threads can do so on a single Turn, each separately paying the Token cost of entering MC. > You may gather from my choice of compatible notations that I think you > should be able to combine these. Also note that there isn't anything > to stop you logically from Duplicating or Bifurcating multiple times... > > Does this make any sense? I'm kean on this idea because it is conceptually > very simple, but could work in combination with itself to make things jolly > interesting. Duplication I'm not keen on. I had some trouble in one of the challenge matches with an opponent who thought he could stay bifurcated while I was in a single thread... It's too unbalancing IMHO. > As I say, the LV independence issue is a real problem. The only thing I've > managed to come up with is to try moving the LV value when a bifurcation > effect is active, and to mark the token table with a blanking placeholder. > For instance: > B-Dunx (2) : [LV+2] Vauxhall (VC) > Any thoughts? Treat the two threads as separate Players (i.e. change the "Dunx" Player line to "A-Dunx" and a separate line underneath for "B-Dunx" - the Token totals being kept only in the A-Dunx line, but being altered for any relevant move by any of the Dunxes, or any Shunt of any Dunx by another Player. Then both halves can have independent LVs, but share Tokens and a Home. And both have to move within the hour allowed for one Player Move... An A-[Player] may only Shunt or Shadow another A-[Player], not a B-[Player], and vice versa - but the Token Stacks, Knip, Bridges, Wild and any other Game States should be common to both, for ease of calculation and retention of sanity. Just my couple of suggestions... Jonathan Ellis. Jonathan L. Ellis From Wed Jun 24 11:45:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24146 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 18:45:25 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 18:45:25 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24990 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:43:31 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24979 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:43:22 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA18998 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:43:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 18:43:19 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA19580; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:43:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199806241843.TAA19580@uks447> Date: 24 Jun 98 17:22:31 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 24-Jun-98 16:53 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 3 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 3 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 2000 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T,V), Chocolate Bar | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) { Comment: Only interesting thing about this Move is that I'm outside the bounds of my Zone Pass now, so I don't get a Bronze :-( +1 Bk (same Line) Game Time advanced } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Jun 24 13:58:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2348 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jun 1998 20:58:47 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 20:58:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA31925 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:56:36 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA31922 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:56:29 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod128.interalpha.net [195.26.225.156]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id WAA10747 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:01:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199806242101.WAA10747@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: Re: MN: Bifurcation Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:36:51 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > > Piece Bifurcation (which I shall term Duplication from here > > on) is a way for the Player to gain another Piece on the board. The new > > Piece would spring into existence at the point at which the Duplication > > took place and would henceforth be independent. > > I'm not sure about this bit. After all, it's easier to gain Tokens > than to lose them, and allowing one Player to Bifurcate without other > Players doing so strikes me as getting an unfair advantage. > Especially if the Bifurcated Player had control of the Drone as well > - three pieces going around collecting Tokens. This is IMHO a bit > much. Bringing in bifurcation is a good idea, though, and I like this > bit about Game Bifurcation better... I definitely don't like single-piece bifurcation - not even on York, where it generally seems careless. As you remark, single-piece bifurcations make token-acquisition far too easy. > > *snip* > Great idea. I'd vote for that if I was going to be around to do so, > which I'm not... I'd also suggest that all strands of a Bifurcation > must take place within the single hour that a Player has to make eir > Move (or two hours, if a Blue Token is paid, etc.) Strand A and > Strand B, therefore, can only take up one hour between them... Hhm... Buying more time could become expensive -- though who ever said Bifurcations were cheap? Still, it could lead to a blue token drought as they're not hugely easy to come by. > My suggestion is this: > Any Player may unify the Bifurcation with the Action [Unifying > Threads and ] (with no cost) by playing a Move which brings > both eir Pieces together at the same Station, on the same Line, with > the same Line Velocity and Line Direction. It's not going to happen very quickly. Who is going to want to go to all the hassle of setting such a situation up? > If the Game is or was Bifurcated, and another Active Player's > last move included [Unifying Threads and ] (where X and Y are > threads of a Bifurcation, Trifurcation or greater number of split > threads), then the Player whose Turn it is to Move must move eir > Pieces from both relevant Threads to the same location and Line on > that Move: if both Threads cannot achieve the same LV, then the lower > value is used for that Player's next Turn. Untidy, and confusing. As you can guess, I don't really like these ideas. Something a little simpler is required I feel. > I'd still suggest that a Bifurcated Player may not move to MC unless > all threads can do so on a single Turn, each separately paying the > Token cost of entering MC. Yes, that closest mirrors what I feel occurs on York. > Duplication I'm not keen on. I had some trouble in one of the > challenge matches with an opponent who thought he could stay > bifurcated while I was in a single thread... It's too unbalancing > IMHO. Agreed. And duplicating under bifurcations is going to become unpleasant. > Treat the two threads as separate Players (i.e. change the "Dunx" > Player line to "A-Dunx" and a separate line underneath for "B-Dunx" - > the Token totals being kept only in the A-Dunx line, but being > altered for any relevant move by any of the Dunxes, or any Shunt of > any Dunx by another Player. Then both halves can have independent > LVs, but share Tokens and a Home. And both have to move within the > hour allowed for one Player Move... Um, maybe. Although I dislike the idea of messing with the Token Table too much. I can only suggest: +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Rushton | Ongar | 3 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |B-Rushton | | | | | | | | | | Cryer | Knightsbridge | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |B-Cryer | | | | | | | | | | BrookeT | Chalfont & Latimer | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | |B-BrookeT | | | | | | | | | | Garden | Harrow-on-the-Hill | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | |B-Garden | | | | | | | | | | *Drone | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |*B-Drone | | | | | | | | | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ and that raises the problems of Drone ownership (Could Rushton claim Drone, Cryer Bifurcate, then B-Cryer claim B-Drone? If so, who has what when things unify?). Even with all this in mind, I feel Bifurcations would be well worth including in the ruleset; after all, we are playing the game to test the rules, so it may be worth bringing in rules which require hard testing... :) ...) Miaow, -Graeme. From Wed Jun 24 19:05:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22377 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jun 1998 02:05:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 02:05:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA14849 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:03:03 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA14842 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:02:50 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id MAA24845; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:02:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma024786; Thu, 25 Jun 98 12:02:36 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:02:35 +1000 Message-ID: <80AD0BCF38A7D111A1F70000C0BFEFE308E35E@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Bifurcation Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:02:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, June 25, 1998 12:12 AM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > I've been thinking about putting forward a Special Ruleset Proposal to > allow Bifurcation, which I'm sure you would agree is a pretty important > part of the MC culture. I just wanted to float these ideas past people to > see how sea-worthy they are, and also to ask for suggestions on a thorny > problem that might sink the whole thing. Personally I am completely against bifurcations in any form, for the following completely self-centered and my-own-unhumble reasons: 1) They are not even close to ISIHAC standard. 2) Originally, they were the result of a misunderstanding. 3) They are now used in a multitude of confusing formats. 4) There is no clear standard of how to move into or out of them. 5) They add a lot of complexity without adding much gameplay. I know a lot of these reasons are laughable as actual justification; however I feel it is exactly this sort of justification that produces new rules, so I don't feel quite so stupid voicing my opinions. On a more practical note, a lot of what you're proposing is going to make the game very hard to play, I think, Dunx. The great confusion of what happens when someone unifies the game and people are still left stretched out across the board is one example. Anyway, that's my opinion - I feel strongly enough about it to voice it, but I realise that all my reasons are personal and quite probably not shared. I've lived with worse. BTW, what do people think of another subgame where there is just one piece, and players take it in turns to move it (instead of each player having a piece)? You can't shunt other players, but on the other hand there's a lot of strategy similar to billiards, where you make sure the white ball is either somewhere you can use it or somewhere your opponent(s) can't. Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNZEjF8tA22MsBS7iEQIQ1wCg4EjEPE4voCr9MsO8rOntNXYo1FIAniQn YWTcx3Se+ElHWFJSAqNbv4G2 =qHc0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Kevan Davis Thu Jun 25 06:04:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15516 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jun 1998 13:04:31 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 13:04:31 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11350 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:03:37 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11347 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:03:32 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01255 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:10:01 GMT Received: from larch.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@l... [146.227.102.18]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id OAA12830 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:01:32 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by larch.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id OAA09288 for l-nomic@f...; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:01:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806251301.OAA09288@l...> Subject: MN: More Week Extension To: l-nomic@f... Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:01:25 BST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Sorry about this, but I'm really going to have to kick the Week-End forward again - I'm moving house this weekend, and need to turn my eyes to packing and sorting things out and whatnot; with no home access any more, I can't do the Mornomic stuff over a coffee at 2am. With luck I'll be settled in by Sunday and can get things done by then; I'll pencil in a new Week-End at noon on the 28th. I fear this probably breaks the Rules a bit; I'll handle it with an Eprop some other time, since the appropriate bits could use a hammering anyway. British Rail apologises for the inconvenience, Kevan -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "I would rather have had one breath of her hair, one kiss from her mouth, one touch of her hand, than eternity without it. One." -- Seth, "City of Angels" From Graeme Jefferis Thu Jun 25 07:19:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13355 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jun 1998 14:19:16 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 14:19:16 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14962 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:18:30 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14959 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:18:26 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypCr3-0005Dc-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:18:25 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:31:41 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: More Week Extension Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:31:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Sorry about this, but I'm really going to have to kick the Week-End > forward again - I'm moving house this weekend, and need to turn my > eyes > to packing and sorting things out and whatnot; with no home access any > more, I can't do the Mornomic stuff over a coffee at 2am. > > With luck I'll be settled in by Sunday and can get things done by > then; > I'll pencil in a new Week-End at noon on the 28th. I fear this > probably > breaks the Rules a bit; I'll handle it with an Eprop some other time, > since the appropriate bits could use a hammering anyway. > Do you think it might be worth having a two-week Week this time? (Otherwise, we'll just end up with a little 2-day Week from the 28th to the 30th, hardly enough time to contemplate lots of intricate proposals.) I'd suggest WeekEnding on the 30th, which will hopefully allow the least possible disruption. And we've done it before for holidays and suchlike, so it has historical success backing it up :) Thanks, -Graeme (at work) From Kevan Davis Thu Jun 25 09:16:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13617 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jun 1998 16:16:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 16:16:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21893 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:15:42 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21886 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:15:37 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10339 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:22:33 GMT Received: from kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@k... [146.227.102.33]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id RAA08624 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:15:32 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by kestrel.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id RAA17216 for l-nomic@f...; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:15:28 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806251615.RAA17216@k...> Subject: Re: MN: RE: More Week Extension To: l-nomic@f... Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:15:27 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Graeme Jefferis" at Jun 25, 98 3:31 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > > With luck I'll be settled in by Sunday and can get things done by > > then; I'll pencil in a new Week-End at noon on the 28th. > > Do you think it might be worth having a two-week Week this time? Shrewd man. Yes, we should do, really. We'll call it the 30th, then, to avoid messing around extending the next Week a bit and getting horribly out of synch. Kevan -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "The .sig wears a ring of polymorph! --More--" "The .login hits! The .cshrc bites!" From Thu Jun 25 13:48:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4034 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jun 1998 20:47:57 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 20:47:57 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA02759 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:44:25 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02755 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:44:18 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0ypIsO-0003pI-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:44:13 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 25 Jun 98 21:20:52 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 25 Jun 98 21:20:44 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:18:49 BST0GMT Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 Game State Document X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <1972FE3D0F1D@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 9 | 2 | 4 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 2 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 8 | 7 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 2 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 2100 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | BkBkBr || Neasden | Bk | | Monument | ReReRe || | | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, Hat (O) | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass, Parcel | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV-1] Stockwell (VC) [Bronze Token on Stockwell] [Collecting Parcel] [Fire at Pimlico] [Blocking Oval] Jonathan : Waterloo (NT via: VC, CN, NT PD, BL) [Collecting Black Token from Embankment] {Comments: +1 Bronze for a same-line Move -1 Black for Line Changes, on Neasden +1 Black from Embankment +1 Red and +1 Black Interest on the Banked Tokens 3 turns ago +1 Silver, 1 Red and 1 Blue for 8 Interchanges (Euston, Warren Street, Oxford Circus, Tottenham Court Road, Leicester Square, Piccadilly Circus, Charing Cross, Embankment.) +1 more Blue for a 4-line Interchange (counting the Jubilee extension - as Construction Lines are mentioned in the ruleset, I presume they count towards interchanges. And I'm counting Waterloo as a single interchange with the Jubilee extension as the name is only on the map once, unlike the Walking connections ad Edgware Road and Shepherds Bush.) A polite reminder that the Blocks don't disappear until *after* your move... And no, applying the LV decrease at the end of the Eating turn wouldn't work. Suppose somebody does a Shunt during eir Turn after eating one of the bigger Victuals - and is then able to move on as if nothing had happened, paying nothing back for the increased boost? That's why the only time to apply the penalty must be on the following Turn. Just wondering, was it really worth starting the Fire at Pimlico when a Block would have cost less? Pimlico has no BR or Interchange connections to lose... } Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Thu Jun 25 14:24:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12517 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jun 1998 21:24:27 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 21:24:27 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA04935 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:22:56 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA04929 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:22:48 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0ypJTY-0004vj-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:22:37 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 25 Jun 98 21:59:16 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 25 Jun 98 21:59:09 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:59:05 BST0GMT Subject: MN: Game 7 Game State Document - revised again, sorry... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <1973A224087B@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 9 | 2 | 4 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 2 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 8 | 7 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 2 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 2100 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | BkBkBr || Neasden | Bk | | Monument | ReReRe || | | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, Hat (OT) | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass, Parcel | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV-1] Stockwell (VC) [Bronze Token on Stockwell] [Collecting Parcel] [Fire at Pimlico] [Blocking Oval] Jonathan : Waterloo (NT via: VC, CN, NT PD, BL) [Collecting Black Token from Embankment] {Comments: Terminus Hat (by virtue of the Waterloo&City terminus) +1 Bronze for a same-line Move -1 Black for Line Changes, on Neasden +1 Black from Embankment +1 Red and +1 Black Interest on the Banked Tokens 3 turns ago +1 Silver, 1 Red and 1 Blue for 8 Interchanges (Euston, Warren Street, Oxford Circus, Tottenham Court Road, Leicester Square, Piccadilly Circus, Charing Cross, Embankment.) +1 more Blue for a 4-line Interchange (counting the Jubilee extension - as Construction Lines are mentioned in the ruleset, I presume they count towards interchanges. And I'm counting Waterloo as a single interchange with the Jubilee extension as the name is only on the map once, unlike the Walking connections ad Edgware Road and Shepherds Bush.) A polite reminder that the Blocks don't disappear until *after* your move... And no, applying the LV decrease at the end of the Eating turn wouldn't work. Suppose somebody does a Shunt during eir Turn after eating one of the bigger Victuals - and is then able to move on as if nothing had happened, paying nothing back for the increased boost? That's why the only time to apply the penalty must be on the following Turn. Just wondering, was it really worth starting the Fire at Pimlico when a Block would have cost less? Pimlico has no BR or Interchange connections to lose... } Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Fri Jun 26 13:12:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8377 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jun 1998 19:50:56 -0000 Received: from search.findmail.com (209.185.96.137) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1998 19:50:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 10422 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jun 1998 14:22:48 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by search.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1998 14:22:48 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19498 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:21:06 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19480 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:20:59 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA01809 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:20:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 26 Jun 1998 14:20:57 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA17643; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:20:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199806261420.PAA17643@uks447> Date: 26 Jun 98 15:18:16 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 7 - Verdant Woods X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 26-Jun-98 14:52 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Jonathan wrote: > I'd like to know if my amendment adding Woods and Groves to Verdant >stations has passed, and thus whether I can collect the Hat... The votes >were all due to be in by last Tuesday. If this is illegal, please remove >the Hat and reference to it from the GSD: my move will be the same anyway. Ah, but the Week has been extended until the 30th so that nothing passes until then or, more to the point, until our illustrious Speaker distributes the Voting Results. Rule 0.4.5: "A newly enacted Proposal takes effect at the moment at which end-of-Week Voting Results are published on the mailing list by the Speaker." So you're a-jumping the gun slightly there, I fear. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Fri Jun 26 13:18:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11227 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jun 1998 19:53:46 -0000 Received: from search.findmail.com (209.185.96.137) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1998 19:53:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 11323 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jun 1998 14:26:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by search.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1998 14:26:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19798 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:24:27 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19794 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:24:20 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0ypZQI-0007Cx-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:24:18 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 26 Jun 98 15:01:09 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 26 Jun 98 15:01:06 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:00:58 BST0GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 - Verdant Woods In-reply-to: <199806261420.PAA17643@uks447> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <1984AAFA2D8C@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > "A newly enacted Proposal takes effect at the moment at which end-of-Week > Voting Results are published on the mailing list by the Speaker." > > So you're a-jumping the gun slightly there, I fear. Bugger. Never mind, it's only a Hat, and I give permission for Kevan to delete it from the GSD when he plays his move. Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Sat Jun 27 13:23:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 949 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jun 1998 19:38:17 -0000 Received: from search.findmail.com (209.185.96.137) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1998 19:38:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 3994 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jun 1998 13:53:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by search.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1998 13:53:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17954 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:51:33 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA17905 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:51:26 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0ypYuO-0004EX-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:51:21 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 26 Jun 98 14:28:12 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 26 Jun 98 14:28:01 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:27:56 BST0GMT Subject: MN: Game 7 Game State Document X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <19841DC8019C@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 10 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 2 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 9 | 6 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 2 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 2300 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | Bk || Neasden | BkRe | | Monument | ReReRe || | | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zone Passes (1,2), Hats (OTV) | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass, Parcel, Chocolate Bar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV-1] Stockwell (VC) [Bronze Token on Stockwell] [Collecting Parcel] [Fire at Pimlico] [Blocking Oval] Jonathan : Waterloo (NT via: VC, CN, NT PD, BL) [Collecting Black Token from Embankment] Kevan : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+1] Colliers Wood (NT) [Blocking South Wimbledon] [Collecting Black Token from Stockwell] [Collecting Hat] {Comments: +1 Black for same line +1 Black from Stockwell -1 Red for the Block, placed on Neasden 1 Bronze removed from Stockwell, since (1) Stockwell is in the same Quadrant as the person who spent the Token, and (2) as it was used for a Purchase, it should have been discarded anyway. I'd like to know if my amendment adding Woods and Groves to Verdant stations has passed, and thus whether I can collect the Hat... The votes were all due to be in by last Tuesday. If this is illegal, please remove the Hat and reference to it from the GSD: my move will be the same anyway. } Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Graeme Jefferis Sat Jun 27 13:30:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7015 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jun 1998 19:45:06 -0000 Received: from search.findmail.com (209.185.96.137) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1998 19:45:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 28864 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jun 1998 15:35:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by search.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1998 15:35:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23273 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:32:49 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23270 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:32:45 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypaUW-0005OQ-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:32:44 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:40:55 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Chew this one over? Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:40:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Actually, the more I think about it, the less certain I am that it will be workable. Shunting in particular strikes me as scary: the reverse-shuntee theoretically would have to have an LV of 0; the reverse-shunter would drag the shuntee to the station as e (forward terminology) 'vacates' it; the shuntee would be gifted a token from the shunter (makes sense as the point is to lose tokens), and e would have eir LV set to an unknowable amount. So, if it's to work at all, there needs to be plenty more definition than I attempted. >I think finishing with the starting amounts of Tokens is perhaps >neater, but still. Nice idea. >I don't know, really - it's a nice idea, but there are probably quite >a few loopholes that can be exploited (Banking Tokens strikes me more >than anything - say that you're collecting all your Tokens from Bank, >then head Home) and perhaps a lot of potential for deadlocks when a >planned reverse tactic becomes impossible. Yes, the starting game state would seem to need (even) more definition regarding what everyone begins with. The Bank situation is extremely scary, well spotted. I suppose that would have to be sensibly set, or (possibly) randomised. Apologies for any strange formatting resulting from Mucro$oft Product. -Graeme. From Graeme Jefferis Sat Jun 27 13:40:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15913 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jun 1998 19:55:24 -0000 Received: from search.findmail.com (209.185.96.137) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1998 19:55:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 21118 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jun 1998 12:17:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by search.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1998 12:17:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13153 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:16:14 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13150 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:16:09 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypXQF-0003sT-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:16:08 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:29:29 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: Chew this one over? Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:29:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) This is not proposed yet; just submitted for your comments. An interesting concept, I think. However I'm not sure if it will work as it stands. Can anyone suggest any improvements / highlight any huge flaws? I'm attempting to make it the MC equivalent of the old board game 'Go For Broke'. The Reverse Game. (Special Ruleset) 1. All player pieces begin at Mornington Crescent. 2. All players begin with 2 gold tokens, 8 silver tokens, 6 bronze tokens, 5 red tokens, 4 blue tokens, 4 black tokens, a zone 1-3 railcard, and an overpriced baguette. 3. All references in the Ruleset to any possession gains or losses are reversed; the same applies to attribute alterations. For example, the action [LV+3] will lower the actioning player's LV by 3; and [Purchasing] actions will gain the player the specified number of tokens and lose em the reverse-Purchased item. 4. All actions are deemed to take place in reverse order. Post-move actions occur first, before the move; Pre-move actions take place after the move. For simplicity's sake, line changes and any other chronologically ordered aspects of moves are written as they would be in a normal game. 5. A player may only win if e moves to eir Home station with no tokens, no other possessions, and an LV of 0. From Kevan Davis Sat Jun 27 13:42:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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[146.227.102.29]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id NAA23523 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:18:39 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by goshawk.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id NAA10517 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:18:31 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806261218.NAA10517@g...> Subject: MN: Game 7 Game State Document To: l-nomic@f... Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:18:28 BST X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Jonathan | Willesden Green | 9 | 2 | 4 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 2 | | Kevan | South Ealing | 9 | 6 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 2 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | | | Game Time: Monday 2200 | +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: None | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Stockwell | BkBkBr || Neasden | Bk | | Monument | ReReRe || | | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jonathan | Zones 1,2 Passes, Hat (OT) | | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass, Parcel, Chocolate Bar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Stockwell to Shadwell | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ Jonathan : Willesden Green (JL) Kevan : South Ealing (PD) Jonathan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+1] Dollis Hill (JL) Kevan : [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Kevan] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Shadowing Jonathan] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Black Token on Dollis Hill] [Straddling to Willesden Green] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill Jonathan : Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Black Token from Dollis Hill] [Banking 5 Red and 6 Black Tokens] Kevan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jonathan : [LV+3] Dollis Hill [Shadowing Kevan] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] Kevan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [Dollis Escape] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL,MP,JL,CN,PD) [Courier Call] Jonathan : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kings Cross St Pancras (VC via: JL, MP, JL, CN, PD) [Shadowing Kevan] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV-1] Stockwell (VC) [Bronze Token on Stockwell] [Collecting Parcel] [Fire at Pimlico] [Blocking Oval] Jonathan : Waterloo (NT via: VC, CN, NT PD, BL) [Collecting Black Token from Embankment] Kevan : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit. -1 Black for the Line change -1 Bronze for the Dairy Milk > A polite reminder that the Blocks don't disappear until *after* your >move... Naturellement. > And no, applying the LV decrease at the end of the Eating turn wouldn't >work. Suppose somebody does a Shunt during eir Turn after eating one of >the bigger Victuals - [...] True enough, yes - I'd forgotten that. Tsk. > Just wondering, was it really worth starting the Fire at Pimlico when a >Block would have cost less? Pimlico has no BR or Interchange >connections to lose... You can only perform one of each Action per Turn, except for the exceptions - ideally I'd have done two Blocks, but this fact precludes such tactic. } -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "Forbidden lives. A forbidden fruit that just tastes so nice. I creased out a smile. I wished I could smile on the inside." -- My Life Story, "Silently Screaming" From Kevan Davis Sat Jun 27 13:48:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27567 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jun 1998 20:07:55 -0000 Received: from search.findmail.com (209.185.96.137) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 1998 20:07:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 22730 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jun 1998 12:30:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by search.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1998 12:30:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13641 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:28:39 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13636 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:28:33 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09430 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:35:27 GMT Received: from goshawk.cms.dmu.ac.uk (c94kd@g... [146.227.102.29]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id NAA24339 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:28:28 +0100 (BST) From: Kevan Davis Received: (from c94kd@localhost) by goshawk.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id NAA10552 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:28:18 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806261228.NAA10552@g...> Subject: Re: MN: Chew this one over? To: l-nomic@f... Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:28:16 BST In-Reply-To: ; from "Graeme Jefferis" at Jun 26, 98 1:29 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > The Reverse Game. (Special Ruleset) You scary, scary man, sir - I was mulling over this very concept not two hours ago. > 1. All player pieces begin at Mornington Crescent. Hmm. This would make the opening Turns something of a mess of Shunting and whatnot, I fear. Perhaps better to have the first Player starting there, and everyone else beginning at (possibly) Stations of their choice, so long as they're not too near one another. > 2. All players begin with 2 gold tokens, 8 silver tokens, 6 bronze > tokens, 5 red tokens, 4 blue tokens, 4 black tokens, a zone 1-3 > railcard, and an overpriced baguette. [grins] Nicely arbitrary. It seems fair enough, I think. > 3. All references in the Ruleset to any possession gains or losses > are reversed; the same applies to attribute alterations. > > For example, the action [LV+3] will lower the actioning player's LV > by 3; and [Purchasing] actions will gain the player the specified > number of tokens and lose em the reverse-Purchased item. Confusing, but workable, I should think. > 5. A player may only win if e moves to eir Home station with no tokens, > no other possessions, and an LV of 0. I think finishing with the starting amounts of Tokens is perhaps neater, but still. I don't know, really - it's a nice idea, but there are probably quite a few loopholes that can be exploited (Banking Tokens strikes me more than anything - say that you're collecting all your Tokens from Bank, then head Home) and perhaps a lot of potential for deadlocks when a planned reverse tactic becomes impossible. It'd be interesting to attempt, though. I await further discussion. Kevan -- Kevan Davis -- c94kd@d... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd "Internet search engines run on diesel." -- Dave's Web of Lies (http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~hancockd/lies.htm) From Kevan Davis Sun Jun 28 11:39:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18385 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jun 1998 18:39:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 1998 18:39:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA03512 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:00:20 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03507 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:00:14 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p09.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.9]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA28674 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:00:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:00:07 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806272000.VAA28674@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 7 Buzz Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Kevan : [LV-1] Stockwell (VC) [Bronze Token on Stockwell] [Collecting > Parcel] [Fire at Pimlico] [Blocking Oval] > Jonathan : Waterloo (NT via: VC, CN, NT PD, BL) [Collecting Black > Token from Embankment] > Kevan : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] > Jonathan : [LV+1] Colliers Wood (NT) [Blocking South Wimbledon] > [Collecting Black Token from Stockwell] [Collecting Hat] > [...] > > 1 Bronze removed from Stockwell, since (1) Stockwell is in the same >Quadrant as the person who spent the Token, and (2) as it was used for a >Purchase, it should have been discarded anyway. Er... I dropped it there the Turn before; as such it obviously doesn't matter that it's in the same Quadrant, and it wasn't used as a Purchase. Kevan -- kdavis@i... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd -- UIN: 5998366 "She had no fear of the unreasonable footprints." -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "Cookie the Clown" From Sun Jun 28 12:08:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 556 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jun 1998 19:08:34 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 1998 19:08:34 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05069 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:30:09 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA05064 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:30:02 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yq1bj-0001Yq-00; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:30:00 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 27 Jun 98 21:07:12 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 27 Jun 98 21:07:03 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:06:58 BST0GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 Buzz In-reply-to: <199806272000.VAA28674@c...> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <19A2C53B1EFB@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Er... I dropped it there the Turn before; as such it obviously doesn't > matter that it's in the same Quadrant, and it wasn't used as a > Purchase. How was I to know that, as you didn't mark it with a Token Dropping Action? [Bronze Token on Stockwell] - I don't see that anywhere, so of course I assumed it was a mistake. Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Sun Jun 28 12:27:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9698 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jun 1998 19:27:16 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 1998 19:27:16 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05842 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:48:33 +0100 Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA05839 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:48:26 +0100 Received: from fs1.go.man.ac.uk [130.88.55.240] by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.81 #4) id 0yq1tW-00038D-00; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:48:23 +0100 Received: from MAN-GO-FS1/SpoolDir by fs1.go.man.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 27 Jun 98 21:25:35 GMT0BST Received: from SpoolDir by MAN-GO-FS1 (Mercury 1.21); 27 Jun 98 21:25:28 GMT0BST From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" Organization: University of Manchester To: l-nomic@f... Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:25:23 BST0GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: MN: 'Bye for now... References: <199806272000.VAA28674@c...> In-reply-to: <19A2C53B1EFB@f...> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <19A313CA7A5F@f...> Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > From: "Jonathan L. Ellis" > Organization: University of Manchester > To: l-nomic@f... > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:06:58 BST0GMT > Subject: Re: MN: Game 7 Buzz > Reply-to: l-nomic@f... > I'm finishing at Uni and losing net access for good, so I'll just sign in and say that I'll now have to resign from the MN mailing list. And possibly from Game 7 as well - [Kevan] sorry about that - I suppose you may claim a victory by default if you wish. Or alternatively keep the last copy of the GSD just in case I can get back on the net soon, but I don't think there would really be much point. Or is it legal to allow another Player to take over my position in the game? I thought we could get Game 7 finished in the (then) two weeks I had between its beginning and the end of term - remembering that Game 5 was over in less than one - but I just didn't have time in the end. Anyway, 'bye for now. I hope to be back soon. Jonathan. Jonathan L. Ellis From Sun Jun 28 20:26:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: RE: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:23:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 3 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 8 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 3 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 2100 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,T,V), Chocolate Bar | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) {Comments: Slakko seems to have timed out, and Jon is inactive, so I think it's my go! -1 Bk (on, oh, ah, what about Oakwood? :) +1 Br (Zone 2 pass) +1 Bk (3 line interchange) +1 Si, +1 Bk (six interchanges) Game time updated I think I've got the hang of this! (Thinks: this will guarantee a buzz...) } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Mon Jun 29 12:12:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25619 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jun 1998 19:11:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 1998 19:11:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA03426 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:09:43 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03421 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:09:33 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod125.interalpha.net [195.26.225.153]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA16447 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:15:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199806291915.UAA16447@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:10:41 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 3 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 8 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 7 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 2100 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] {Comments: [LV+3] : LV+3 [Sugar Rush] : LV+1 [Line Change] : BlackToken-1 : on Mile End (it's a mess alright) [Compass Hat] : Hat+1 Game time advanced : "The present sure is tense." (40 mins or so) } From Mon Jun 29 23:42:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7812 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1998 06:42:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 06:42:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02922 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:40:54 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02915 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:40:48 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod119.interalpha.net [195.26.225.147]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA30952 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:46:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199806300646.HAA30952@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Re: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:42:00 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 3 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 8 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 7 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 9 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 2200 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] {Comments: [LV+3] : LV+3 [Sugar Rush] : LV+1 [Line Change] : BlackToken-1 : on Mile End (it's a mess alright) [Compass Hat] : Hat+1 Game time *really* advanced : "The present sure is tense." (40 mins or so) } From Richard Brockie Tue Jun 30 06:35:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32118 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1998 13:35:03 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 13:35:03 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23850 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:33:52 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [192.108.120.168]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23847 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:33:46 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:33:43 +0100 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:33:40 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 3 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 7 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 2300 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to East Ham] { Comments: +1 Go from token running, -1 Bk for line change, +1 Bl for passing through 4 interchanges, +1 Bk for playing interchange with 3 lines, +1 Si from PaulWay, +1 Br for zone 2 station, LV = 0 after shunt, Game time advanced. } From Tue Jun 30 07:02:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27249 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1998 14:02:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 14:02:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA25501 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:01:30 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25489 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:01:24 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA28628 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:01:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 14:01:23 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA03755; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:01:22 +0100 Message-Id: <199806301401.PAA03755@uks447> Date: 30 Jun 98 14:59:28 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 4 - Bzzt on miKi X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 30-Jun-98 14:33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) > miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) > [Shunting PaulWay to East Ham] I'm afraid that's not a goer, miKi - you've changed line in the shunt, which isn't allowed. The proposals to allow it haven't had the voting results for them distributed yet and hence haven't actually passed (even though I hope one of them has). In actual fact, should either of these proposals pass then yur move will be valid but until we have the voting results it is, technically, an illegal move. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Tue Jun 30 07:06:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 239 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1998 14:06:48 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 14:06:48 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA25595 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:05:51 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [192.108.120.168]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25592 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:05:48 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:05:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:05:37 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 4 - Bzzt on miKi In-Reply-To: <199806301401.PAA03755@uks447> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On 30 Jun 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > > PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) > > miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) > > [Shunting PaulWay to East Ham] > > I'm afraid that's not a goer, miKi - you've changed line in the shunt, > which isn't allowed. The proposals to allow it haven't had the voting Ooops, so I have. Reposted move in a mo... --- R. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Brockie B.Sc.(Hons), The tall blond one. Adaptive Optics Chap. Email: R.Brockie@r... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://www.roe.ac.uk/rmbwww =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From Richard Brockie Tue Jun 30 07:09:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2594 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1998 14:09:17 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 14:09:17 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA25666 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:08:30 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [192.108.120.168]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25663 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:08:24 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:08:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:08:15 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 3 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 7 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 2300 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross] { Comments: +1 Go from token running, -1 Bk for line change, +1 Bl for passing through 4 interchanges, +1 Bk for playing interchange with 3 lines, +1 Si from PaulWay, +1 Br for zone 2 station, LV = 0 after shunt, Game time advanced. Corrected shunt. } --- miKi From Tue Jun 30 08:07:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 848 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1998 15:07:28 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 15:07:28 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28741 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:06:27 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28738 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:06:23 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07552 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:06:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 15:06:18 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA12166; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:06:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199806301506.QAA12166@uks447> Date: 30 Jun 98 16:03:18 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 4 - Another Bzzzt on miKi X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 30-Jun-98 15:08 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) ... > miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) > [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross] You're really not trying, are you? Rule 1.10.1 contains the following criterion for a legal Shunt: "* It is not the Station that the Shunting Player moved from." Unless I miss my guess, that's exactly what you've just done. Congratulations, I think that's a first. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Tue Jun 30 08:19:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15085 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1998 15:19:54 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 15:19:54 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29272 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:18:56 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [192.108.120.168]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29261 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:18:49 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:18:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:18:29 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 3 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 7 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 2300 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] { Comments: +1 Go from token running, -1 Bk for line change, +1 Bl for passing through 4 interchanges, +1 Bk for playing interchange with 3 lines, +1 Si from PaulWay, +1 Br for zone 2 station, LV = 0 after shunt, Game time advanced. Corrected shunt again. } --- miKi From Tue Jun 30 11:01:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4970 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1998 18:01:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 18:01:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA05147 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:00:22 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05144 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:00:16 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod108.interalpha.net [195.26.225.136]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA24744 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:06:34 +0100 Message-Id: <199806301806.TAA24744@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Game 7 Buzz - Grimace to Judge Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:01:24 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > The Judge is required to determine the truth of the fact that "Kevan was > right to Buzz Jonathan for removing the Bronze Token from Stockwell's > Token Stack, because it was placed there legally". > > The Judge will note that the string "[Bronze Token on Stockwell]" appears > during the first quoted Move. Yes - the whole affair did rather confuse me. The obvious reaction is to just write the whole thing off and judge 'for', but I'll have a little look at things first if I may. [Mm. Hmmm. Mmhm. Oh, the pain, the pain, etc. etc.] Well, I'm almost tempted to judge against on account of it being such a very minor offence -- but, I'm duty-bound to be fair, and it was a violation of the rules and all that. I judge FOR the statement: ie, Kevan was entirely 'right' to Buzz Jonathan for removing the token from Stockwell. Can I encourage a little more looseness in play though? Thanks. -Graeme. From Kevan Davis Tue Jun 30 08:31:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27226 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1998 15:31:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 15:31:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29800 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:30:46 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29780 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:30:31 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p24.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.24]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04433 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:30:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:30:28 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806301530.QAA04433@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... (Mornington Nomic) From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 7 Stasis Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just for the record, I'm going to be ignoring Game 7 (not Forcing a Pass and denying new Players), until Jonathan returns, should he ever do so. I've a Proposal for Week 10 which permits Players to take part in more than one Game, so my hanging around in a shut-down Game shouldn't be a problem. I'm required to deal with the Buzz, though, which I'll do momentarily. Expect the Week-End stuff later tonight, incidentally. Regards, Kevan -- kdavis@i... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd -- UIN: 5998366 "Don't come to the house tonight, because there's somebody here who'll take a hatchet to your ear." -- The Smiths, "Death at One's Elbow" From Kevan Davis Tue Jun 30 08:32:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27441 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1998 15:32:10 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 15:32:10 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29801 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:30:46 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29789 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:30:34 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p24.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.24]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04436 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:30:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:30:31 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199806301530.QAA04436@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 7 Buzz - Grimace to Judge Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Grimace has been selected to Judge this particular Buzz. To quote the discussion on the subject (starting with a quote from Jonathan's GSD, with his Bronze removal explained in the comments):- >>> Kevan : [LV-1] Stockwell (VC) [Bronze Token on Stockwell] [Collecting >>> Parcel] [Fire at Pimlico] [Blocking Oval] >>> Jonathan : Waterloo (NT via: VC, CN, NT PD, BL) [Collecting Black >>> Token from Embankment] >>> Kevan : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] >>> Jonathan : [LV+1] Colliers Wood (NT) [Blocking South Wimbledon] >>> [Collecting Black Token from Stockwell] [Collecting Hat] >>> [...] >>> >>> 1 Bronze removed from Stockwell, since (1) Stockwell is in the same >>>Quadrant as the person who spent the Token, and (2) as it was used for a >>>Purchase, it should have been discarded anyway. >> >> Er... I dropped it there the Turn before; as such it obviously doesn't >> matter that it's in the same Quadrant, and it wasn't used as a >> Purchase. > > How was I to know that, as you didn't mark it with a Token >Dropping Action? [Bronze Token on Stockwell] - I don't see that >anywhere, so of course I assumed it was a mistake. The Judge is required to determine the truth of the fact that "Kevan was right to Buzz Jonathan for removing the Bronze Token from Stockwell's Token Stack, because it was placed there legally". The Judge will note that the string "[Bronze Token on Stockwell]" appears during the first quoted Move. Cheers, Kevan -- kdavis@i... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd -- UIN: 5998366 "If I had three lives, I'd marry her in two." -- The Whitlams, "Melbourne" From Kevan Davis Tue Jun 30 10:04:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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(Mornington Nomic) From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 10: Voting Results for Week 9 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 414 Token Effort 3 6 1 2 Amends 1.4.1, 1.13.5, 1.12.3, Enacts 1.4.19/20, 1.7.28/29, 1.5.11 Repeals 1.4.8 415 Station Damage 3 6 1 2 Enacts 1.11.3 416 Start Worrying and Fear... 3 6 1 2 Amends 1.4.7, Enacts 1.7.30 [a] 417 A Better Mousetrap 4 6 - 2 Amends 1.18.1/2/3 418 Not Waving But Drowning 4 6 - 2 Amends 1.4.12 419 Shunts for the Memory 2 6 2 2 Fails 420 Amendments to Shunting 2 6 2 2 Fails 421 Minor Changes to / Glossary 1 7 2 2 Fails 422 Amendments to Rule 0.4.14... 4 6 - 2 Amends 0.4.14, oddly enough ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] A sloppily-worded bit about which paragraph was amended to include Station Damage was rectified by a subtle talking-into-his-lapel Point of Order from the Speaker. [*] Rule 1.5.0 has been updated by Point of Order to include Home Stations, Line Changes and Damaged Stations. It's also been renumbered from previously being 1.5.11, for clarity's sake. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Kevan miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 414 (Kevan) - FOR AGA - FOR - - FOR - - 415 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - FOR - - AGA - - 416 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - FOR - - AGA - - 417 (Dunx) - - FOR - FOR FOR - FOR - - 418 (Dunx) - - FOR - FOR FOR - FOR - - 419 (Dunx) - - FOR - AGA AGA - FOR - - 420 (Jonathan) - AGA AGA - - FOR - FOR - - 421 (Jonathan) - AGA FOR - - AGA - - - - 422 (Jonathan) - FOR FOR - - FOR - FOR - - - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 20 33 7 0 29 38 2 3 2 0 Halved: 10 16 3 0 14 19 1 1 1 0 FOR Votes: +0 +10 +0 +0 +7 +9 +0 +0 +0 +0 AGA Votes: -0 -2 -0 -0 -4 -3 -0 -0 -0 -0 Decisiveness: +0 +3 +3 +0 +3 +3 +0 +0 +0 +0 Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 Passed EPs: +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 Failed EPs: -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 Dead Wood: +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +2 +0 +0 +0 +0 Finger/Pulse: +0 +0 +0 +0 +5 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 Award Ceremony: +0 +7 +0 +0 +4 +3 +0 +0 +0 +0 [b] Inactive Reset: +10 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 [c] Final Kudos: 20 34 6 0 29 33 1 1 1 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Kevan miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 1 0 0 3 0 0 2 0 2 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (dave, Jon, Jonathan and Yer_Mom are Inactive) [b] Ruttsborough Award - Dunx (A Better Mousetrap) IMCS Clarity Award - Dunx (Not Waving But Drowning) CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - Jonathan (Amendments to Rule 0.4.14...) For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) [c] I've just reread the Kudos-halving Rule, and see that no changes should be made to Inactive Players' scores; I fear I've overlooked this lately, although I doubt any Inactive Players had Kudoses above zero in the first place. From Kevan Davis Tue Jun 30 10:04:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... (Mornington Nomic) From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Emergency Proposal 023 - Slakko to Judge Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emergency Proposal 023 - Blunting Knip [Amendment] Add the "[Line Change]" Action to Knip's current exception of "[Out of Knip]", for Actions which are not affected by Knip's denial of Token expenditure. { Comments: As mentioned at the time, this oversight of mine during the Token Effort Proposal means that Knip stops Line Changes - rather too drastic, and completely unintentional. Tsk. } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raised by Kevan, 30/06/98 Slakko has been selected to Judge this Proposal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Kevan Davis Tue Jun 30 10:05:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... (Mornington Nomic) From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 10: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Ten ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 423 - Line Velociraptor [Other, Multiple] 1. Line Velocity of an Unladen Swallow [Amendment] Amend Rule 1.6.1 (Line Velocity) to read:- Each Player has a Line Velocity (abbreviated to "LV"), being an integer number between zero and ten, which represents the speed at which eir Piece is moving around the Map. A Player's LV remains unchanged from the end of eir Turn until the start of eir next Turn, unless modified during another Player's Turn. If a Player's LV is ever less than zero, it immediately becomes zero. If it is even more than ten, it immediately becomes ten. { Comments: The zero-LV for Inactivity seemed unfair, especially if a Player nips off for a few days and doesn't actually miss eir Turn. As for prolonged delay - missing Turns is enough of a penalty, I think. It just strikes me as a "something less than intuitive to remember" thing, is all. As for the list of Actions which set LV to zero - these are duplicated in the Action Rules themselves; I think they're best left there, really. } 2. Greg! The Stop Sign!! [Enactment] A Player may perform the pre-Move Action of "[LV+X]" or "[LV-X]", where 'X' is an integer number between one and three, to adjust eir Line Velocity appropriately, or the pre-Move Action of "[LV=0]" to set eir Line Velocity to zero. Only one of these three Actions may be performed by a Player during eir Turn. { Comments: Split into an Accelerating and Decelerating Action, since the current "[LV?X]" looks a bit too odd (and I tend to miss it when trying to search for "[LV+X]"). The one-such-Action-per-Turn prevents the marginally suspect "[LV=0] [LV+X]" combination, which strikes me as a little too powerful (in that you can get to any LV from an LV of 7). } 3. Keeping Two Chevrons Apart [Amendment] Amend Rule 1.5.2 (Passing) to read:- If a Player plays "Pass" as eir Move, or has a Forced Pass played for em, eir Line Velocity is set to zero. Any references to eir "previous Move" should be taken as referring to the last Station e played as eir Move. { Comments: Moving the LV change to here, and mentioning Forced Passes also. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 424 - Starting Again [Other, Multiple] { Comments: Just tidying up the New Game stuff a bit, as well as permitting Players to take part in multiple Games - I see no reason to stop people playing as many as they wish, if they feel they have the time and enthusiasm for it. } 1. New World Order [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.1.2 (A New Game) to:- The Speaker may, at any time, start a New Game by announcing this fact on the mailing list. This Game shall have a Game Number one higher than the previous new Game. This New Game may be a Normal Game (using only the 1.x Mornington Crescent Rules), or a Special Rules Game (using one or more 2.x Mornington Crescent Rules, in addition to those of the Normal Game). Such a Game type is specified when the Speaker starts that Game. When a new Game begins, the following initial conditions apply to that Game:- * Game Time is randomly selected by the Speaker. * No Stations are Wild. * Bridges are Down. * The Game is not in Knip. * There is no Drone Keeper. * The Drone exists as a Player in that Game. * The Drone is at Mornington Crescent. When a Game has at least three Players (including the Drone), the Order of Play is determined at random by the Speaker and announced to the list. That Game then commences. 2. Border Control [Enactment] Events in one Game may not directly influence the state of other Games, or affect Player details in other Games. All Rule references to Game and Player aspects within Games are taken to refer to aspects within that Game only. 3. Joining In [Enactment] Any Player may apply to Join a specific current Game by mailing the Speaker with eir intention. Unless the Speaker turns down eir application (in which case e must explain eir decision, which may be challenged with an Emergency Proposal), that Player is assigned a place in the Playing Order of the specified Game, and is considered to be Playing from the point at which the Speaker announces eir Joining. When a new Player joins a Game already in progress, eir position in the Playing Order shall be determined by random selection. The Playing Order shall be reflected in the sequence of the Game State Document's Token Table, and may not be amended except by the addition of further new Players and the resignation of old ones. When a Player joins a Game:- * E has no defined Home Station. * E has two Black Tokens, no Blue Tokens, two Red Tokens, two Bronze Tokens, no Silver Tokens and no Gold Tokens. * E is carrying no Possessions. * Eir Line Velocity is zero. * Eir Piece is not situated on the Map. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 425 - Circling Vultures [Other, Multiple] { Comments: Initially just a thing about Electrifying the Circle Line to Block all Stations on it, I decided to combine it with the Clockwise and Anticlockwise stuff (which, upon reading, strikes me as a little odd in its "you can't set it anticlockwise until someone's set it clockwise" aspect). The Pass requirement has been removed to make it a little more usable strategically, and the costs have been altered to reflect the correct attributes of Token colours. } 1. Circle Line States [Enactment] The Circle Line has four possible States - Normal, Clockwise, Anticlockwise and Electrified. These are represented on the GSD by the symbols "<->", "-->", "<--" and "***" respectively. { Comments: +|CIR|+ We could use a little box like that one, on the GSD somewhere. | <-- | In fact, I think having a complete example GSD in an appendix +-----+ somewhere might be a wise step towards coherence. } A Player may play the post-Move Action of "[Circle: ]" to set the State of the Circle Line to any of the above States, provided that eir Piece is situated at a Station which is on the Circle Line. While the Circle Line is in a Clockwise State, a Move which involves traversing any Line Segment of the Circle Line (or a Line Segment which touches the Circle Line) in an Anticlockwise direction shall be considered Invalid. The same applies for traversing such Line Segments in a Clockwise direction while the Circle Line is in an Anticlockwise State. While the Circle Line is in an Electrified State, all Stations on the Circle Line are considered Blocked if the Moving Player is carrying any Metallic Tokens at the start of eir Movement Phase. Line Segments which touch the Circle Line are defined as: * Paddington to Aldgate East (HC) * Edgware Road to Earl's Court (DS) * Tower Hill to Earl's Court (DS) * Baker Street to Aldgate (MN) { Comments: This does provide escape routes along the Jubilee Line Extension and (more controversially) Warren Street to Euston - I'll leave this for possible future Amendment, though. } 2. Circle's Start [Amendment] Add the following condition to the list in Rule 1.1.2 (A New Game):- * The Circle Line is in its Normal State. 3. Circle of Protection: Coherence [Amendment] Upon Enactment of this Rule, the Circle Line in all Games shall be set to the Normal State. This Rule shall then Repeal itself. 4. Reverse the Polarity of the Neutron Flow [Repeals] Repeal Rules 1.7.18 (Swings and Roundabouts) and 1.7.19 (Ever Decreasing Circles). 5. Action Image Exchange [Amendment] Remove the following Move Substitution Actions:- [Inverting the Circle Line] 1.7.19 20 mins -2 Bk -2 Si [Polarising the Circle Line] 1.7.18 20 mins -2 Bk -2 Si Add the following post-Move Actions:- [Circle Line: Normal] 1.7.x 20 mins -2 Bu [Circle Line: Clockwise/Anticlockwise] 1.7.x 20 mins -2 Bu -1 Si [Circle Line: Electrified] 1.7.x 20 mins -2 Re -2 Bu -1 Si { Comment: Black becomes Blue, since Black Tokens are only really meant to be used for Actions which affect none but the Actioning Player. Electrifying costs Reds as well, since this is arguably aggressive. Finally, the Silver cost has been halved, since this seems a little high, particularly now that Blues are required. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 426 - Boast Ye Not! [Amendment] { Comment: A trivial little amendment to get rid of one thing which has never been used, and something else which isn't appropriate any more. } Amend Rule 1.1.5 (The Boasting Wall) so that its final paragraph reads as follows: "The Boasting Wall shall also include a link to a copy of the final Game State Document submitted to the mailing list, for that Game." { Comment: ... and thus does the Adjusted Kudos score die. Removing a record of Kudos at end of Game is just being tidy - the linkage between Kudos and Game was broken a long time ago. For those who think this seems familiar, I included an amendment to remove the Adjusted Kudos score in my earlier Proposal on removing Kudos entirely, but don't hold that against it. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 427 - Parallel Play [Other, Multiple] { Comment: Currently, we are limited to only playing in one game at once (with the exception of team games) which basically means that we have all these Special Rulesets lying around and no Players to play them. This Proposal seeks to remove this restriction. Frankly, I'm sure that we can manage being in more than one game at once. } [Amendment: It's Not *That* Complicated!] Amend Rule 1.1.2 (A New Game) by making the first paragraph read thus: "The Speaker may start a New Game by announcing it on the mailing list. The Game shall have a Game Number one higher than the previous new Game." Make the fourth paragraph read thus: "Initially the new Game has only one Player - the Drone. Players may opt to sign up to the Game by announcing this fact on the mailing list." { Comment: there is a slightly troubling singular in paragraph five, but I don't think it's actually wrong. As it stands. } [Amendment: I Just Said That] Amend Rule 1.20.3 (Team Colours and Players) such that its last paragraph reads as follows: "A Player may take part in no more than one current team game." { Comment: no need to explicitly allow participation in team game concurrently with an individual game any more... } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 428 - Taxing Stuff [Other,Multiple] { Comment: This is a reworked (and renamed) version of Croupe. It's called Tithe now. To reiterate, the goal of this Proposal is to replace Septimus Divergence with something which has a similar function but which fits into the current game better. Apart from the name, I've pretty much taken Kevan's suggestions on board unchanged, with the exception that the scope of a Tithe is still on Zones only. I agree that there should be Tithes on Stations and Lines (perhaps even Quadrants?), but adding all that in one go seems a bit much. I've gone for the name Tithe because it conveys the toll-gathering effect of the Action more effectively, and also because I put forward a Pegging Proposal a while back (Prop 84, Y1W9). It was to do with partial blocking of Stations rather than toll-gathering, and it was far too complicated, but I still have this vague unease about reusing a bit of wording in such a completely different way. Anyway - enough of my lexicological peccadilloes... } [Enactment, Action: Tithe] Action: Tithe Cost: 8 - Zone Blues Duration: 20 minutes Type: Neutral Players may Tithe a particular Zone by playing the Action "[Tithe ]" where is a London Underground Zone. The Tithing Player is permitted to gather a Tithe of a single Token from each Token bearing entity within the Tithed Zone at the beginning of eir Turn following that in which the Tithe Action was performed. If the Tithing Player has missed a Turn through Inactivity following the Tithe Action, then the Tithe may not be gathered. Token bearing entities are Player Pieces and Token Stacks. The Tithe for a Player Piece is a Token of the Tithing Player's choice. The Tithe for a Token Stack is its topmost Token. A Player may only Tithe a single Zone at any given time, and each Zone may only be Tithed by a single Player at any given time. { Comment: The costing is intended to make it very expensive to Tithe inner Zones, since they would be by far the most lucrative. I did wonder about a chunkier sliding scale a la Zone Passes, but that could be added later if these costings seem too prohibitive. The wording is intended to prevent Players going Inactive to extend the Tithing duration, then subsequently going Active with a metaphorical cry of "Surprise!". } [Repeal: Diverging Opinions] Repeal Rule 1.7.5 (Septimus Divergence). [Amendment: Collateral Damage] Amend Rule 1.7.15 to remove reference to Septimus Divergence. { Comment: Hmm, that really is much tidier isn't it? } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Tue Jun 30 16:08:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16174 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jun 1998 23:08:48 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 23:08:48 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA22249 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:07:31 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA22245 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:07:21 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA00670; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:07:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma000502; Wed, 1 Jul 98 09:06:50 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:06:50 +1000 Message-ID: <80AD0BCF38A7D111A1F70000C0BFEFE308E377@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 7 Stasis Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:06:44 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Wednesday, July 01, 1998 1:30 AM, Kevan Davis [SMTP:kdavis@i...] wrote: > Just for the record, I'm going to be ignoring Game 7 (not Forcing a Pass > and denying new Players), until Jonathan returns, should he ever do so. > I've a Proposal for Week 10 which permits Players to take part in more > than one Game, so my hanging around in a shut-down Game shouldn't > be a problem. You scum - that was my proposal idea. And here was I thinking "Wait a minute - I could join Kevan in game seven, albeit a little late - damn, can't join more than one game. Well, that's one rule due for review!" *Sigh* I'll get around to proposing some things sooner or later. Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Kevan Davis Wed Jul 1 00:27:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19920 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1998 07:27:53 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 07:27:53 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA11711 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:26:32 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11707 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:26:26 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p15.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.15]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA20695 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:26:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:26:22 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807010726.IAA20695@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Re: Game 7 Buzz - Grimace to Judge Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I judge FOR the statement: ie, Kevan was entirely 'right' to Buzz Jonathan for >removing the token from Stockwell. > >Can I encourage a little more looseness in play though? Thanks. This only works up to a point, really - the "By the way, I've removed Cryer's Overpriced Baguette because he forgot to delete it when he ate it" stuff is alright, but when it gets to rather more complex issues (loose correction of loose correction of something that didn't need correcting), where such tidying up would affect the game and possibly their choice of strategy, I think it's better to challenge the Player in question. Ten out of ten for sarcasm, anyway. If my wording of the whole thing was a little too over-explanatory, it was just to spare the Judge the bother of working out what was happening, if e hadn't been following the game. Kevan -- kdavis@i... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd -- UIN: 5998366 "Girl afraid; where do his intentions lay? Or does he even have any?" -- The Smiths, "Girl Afraid" From Wed Jul 1 01:54:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8075 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1998 08:54:55 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 08:54:55 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16224 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:54:07 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16219 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:54:01 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13205 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:54:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 08:54:00 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA12996; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:53:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199807010853.JAA12996@uks447> Date: 01 Jul 98 09:49:02 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Re: Game 7 Buzz - Grimace to Judge X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 30-Jun-98 19:01 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Grimace wrote: >Can I encourage a little more looseness in play though? Thanks. A reasonable request, but I think Kevan was justified in raising the issue since Jonathan is not currently what one might call 'about' to handle the issue emself. I feel sure that e would have withdrawn the buzz immediately otherwise. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Graeme Jefferis Wed Jul 1 04:07:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32278 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1998 11:07:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 11:07:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA23178 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:06:20 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA23175 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:06:16 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrKiJ-0003iJ-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:06:14 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:20:26 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Re: Game 7 Buzz - Grimace to Judge Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:20:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >This only works up to a point, really - the "By the way, I've removed >Cryer's Overpriced Baguette because he forgot to delete it when he ate >it" stuff is alright, but when it gets to rather more complex issues >(loose correction of loose correction of something that didn't need >correcting), where such tidying up would affect the game and possibly >their choice of strategy, I think it's better to challenge the Player >in question. True enough. I wasn't really directly referencing this Buzz, just using it to springboard into a general appeal. Although, in this case, I feel a little more explicitness from both sides as to what they were doing and more importantly why they were doing it would have avoided much of the confusion. >If my wording of the whole thing >was a little too over-explanatory, it was just to spare the Judge the >bother of working out what was happening, if e hadn't been following >the game. Not at all - I applaud that. -Graeme. From Wed Jul 1 07:51:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15185 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1998 14:51:15 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 14:51:15 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00941 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:50:00 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00938 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:49:56 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA27475 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:49:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 14:49:54 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA29071; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:49:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199807011449.PAA29071@uks447> Date: 01 Jul 98 15:46:06 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 10: Voting Results for Week 9 X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 30-Jun-98 18:02 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >419 Shunts for the Memory 2 6 2 2 Fails >420 Amendments to Shunting 2 6 2 2 Fails That's rather amusing, really, that *neither* of them passed in the end. Should I repropose Shunts for the Memory without the restriction on shunting through Blocks (I don't have a major issue with 'lobster potting' really)? Or was that not the problem? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Jul 1 08:13:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11848 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1998 15:13:53 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 15:13:53 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02494 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:12:24 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02485 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:12:18 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA00466 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:12:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 15:12:16 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA02104; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:12:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199807011512.QAA02104@uks447> Date: 01 Jul 98 16:09:44 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 10: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 30-Jun-98 18:02 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) The Proposals for Week 10 included: >Proposal 423 - Line Velociraptor [Other, Multiple] I don't honestly see the point of this Proposal - it just appears to be footling with the ruleset for no particular reason, with some minor adjustments to wording and the odd mildly useful effect. Viz: > The zero-LV for Inactivity seemed unfair, especially if a Player nips off > for a few days and doesn't actually miss eir Turn. Granted. I seem to remember the thinking was more or less that if you go inactive you are effectively silently passing for the duration of your inactivity, but it might be seen as unfair. >The one-such-Action-per-Turn prevents the > marginally suspect "[LV=0] [LV+X]" combination, which strikes me as > a little too powerful (in that you can get to any LV from an LV of 7). A fair point, but this is already prevented by the existing ban on multiple Actions of the same type without explicit permission. From Rule 1.2.0: "Multiple Actions are permitted, provided that there is only one example of a particular Action type in the set" I don't know - there's nothing definitely wrong with this Proposal, it just seems to make the ruleset larger by expressing virtually the same thing in more words. Although there's no particular reason to vote AGAINST, there also doesn't seem to be any compelling reason to vote FOR either. Sorry. >Proposal 424 - Starting Again [Other, Multiple] >Proposal 427 - Parallel Play [Other, Multiple] Typical isn't it - you wait ages for a bus and then two come along at once! These two are broadly compatible, despite 427 doing some rewording on a paragraph which is removed by 424. Although 424 is generally a more thorough Proposal (it handles the game joining part better, for instance), 427 includes an amendment to the Team Game rule which 424 omits. >Proposal 425 - Circling Vultures [Other, Multiple] Hmm... rather nice. Yet more guff at the top of the GSD, but a nicely implemented concept. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Jul 1 09:03:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31367 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1998 16:03:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 16:03:25 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05138 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:01:55 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05134 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:01:47 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA06842 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:01:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 16:01:46 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA08656; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:01:43 +0100 Message-Id: <199807011601.RAA08656@uks447> Date: 01 Jul 98 16:56:12 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 30-Jun-98 16:18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 6 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | | Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 7 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Thursday 0000 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) { Comment: A dull Move which nets me a Gold despite that. +1 Go (Token Running) +1 Bk (same line) +1 Br (back in the Zone card region) Game Time skips by... and doesn't *quite* tick over. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Graeme Jefferis Wed Jul 1 09:08:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5105 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Jul 1998 16:08:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 16:08:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05513 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:07:19 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05477 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:07:15 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yrPPd-0007SA-00; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:07:14 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:21:45 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 10: Proposals Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:21:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >The Proposals for Week 10 included: >>Proposal 423 - Line Velociraptor [Other, Multiple] > >I don't honestly see the point of this Proposal - it just appears to be >footling with the ruleset for no particular reason, with some minor >adjustments to wording and the odd mildly useful effect. I would imagine this is to nudge the ruleset a step further on it's path to legibility. The 'introductory paragraph followed by a more detailed description' approach Kevan mentioned a while back. -Graeme. From Duncan Richer Thu Jul 2 00:07:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12707 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jul 1998 07:07:54 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 07:07:54 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA16712 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:06:59 +0100 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16709 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:06:55 +0100 Received: from dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.151]) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #1) for l-nomic@f... id 0yrdSH-0007Dq-00; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:06:53 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:10:39 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Richer To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Resign Message-ID: X-X-Sender: dcr24@i... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I'm going on holiday for a couple of weeks soon anyway, and I've been having trouble keeping up with the game as it is (anyone notice? :-)) So I'm going Inactive. -- Duncan C. "" Richer aka Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc Acka - Web-Harfer,RuneMaker,ChessUmpire,Map-Harfer - www.ackanomic.org From Kevan Davis Thu Jul 2 01:09:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16981 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jul 1998 08:09:29 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 08:09:29 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA19497 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:08:24 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19493 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:08:19 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p18.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.18]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11535 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:08:14 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:08:14 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807020808.JAA11535@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 10: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Proposal 423 - Line Velociraptor [Other, Multiple] > >> The zero-LV for Inactivity seemed unfair, especially if a Player nips >off >> for a few days and doesn't actually miss eir Turn. >Granted. I seem to remember the thinking was more or less that if you go >inactive you are effectively silently passing for the duration of your >inactivity, but it might be seen as unfair. I think the fact that you can't claim free Tokens for passing is enough of a drawback; killing Inactive Players' LV just strikes me as another Thing to Remember (Or, More Likely, Forget), is all. >>The one-such-Action-per-Turn prevents the >> marginally suspect "[LV=0] [LV+X]" combination, which strikes me as >> a little too powerful (in that you can get to any LV from an LV of 7). >A fair point, but this is already prevented by the existing ban on multiple >Actions of the same type without explicit permission. From Rule 1.2.0: > > "Multiple Actions are permitted, provided that there is only one example > of a particular Action type in the set" Oh, absolutely, but it can be argued quite soundly that "[LV=0]" is a different Action type to "[LV?X]". >I don't know - there's nothing definitely wrong with this Proposal, it just >seems to make the ruleset larger by expressing virtually the same thing in >more words. Although there's no particular reason to vote AGAINST, there >also doesn't seem to be any compelling reason to vote FOR either. Well, it's just tidying up and clarifying, really - currently we've got a page and a half that explains what LV is, how to change it, how it limits Moves, what to do in your first Turn, how to change it again, what to do in your first Move again, and which Actions set it to zero. The Proposal aims to have a Rule stating what LV is, another one saying how to change it, and an *amendment* that says what effect a Pass has on LV. The limit on Moves is now documented in the Valid Move section, the first-turn stuff also, and the zero-LV Actions mention the zero-LV bit themselves (which is the best place to detail them, really - Players are unlikely to think "Oh, I wonder if that Action sets my LV to zero - I'd better check the LV Rule"). The Proposed changes will actually takes up less than half the space the existing LV Rule does. Twice as many Rules, I admit, but since they deal with quite different aspects of Line Velocity, I think this is preferable. >Sorry. Oh, tish. A world preferable to you just voting AGAINST without thinking to discuss it. Kevan -- kdavis@i... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd -- UIN: 5998366 "If God had meant for us to work, then I'm sure he would have given us jobs." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "A Lilac Harry Quinn" From Thu Jul 2 01:20:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26564 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jul 1998 08:20:55 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 08:20:55 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA19928 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:20:04 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19905 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:19:57 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15251 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:19:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 08:19:56 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA02893; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:19:54 +0100 Message-Id: <199807020819.JAA02893@uks447> Date: 02 Jul 98 09:17:05 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 10: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 02-Jul-98 09:08 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >The Proposal aims to have a Rule stating what LV is, another one saying >how to change it, and an *amendment* that says what effect a Pass has on >LV. The limit on Moves is now documented in the Valid Move section, the >first-turn stuff also, and the zero-LV Actions mention the zero-LV bit >themselves (which is the best place to detail them, really - Players are >unlikely to think "Oh, I wonder if that Action sets my LV to zero - I'd >better check the LV Rule"). Fair enough. I should have checked the existing ruleset structure more thoroughly. Relying too much on my mental picture of how the rules work rather than the precise wording. >The Proposed changes will actually takes up less than half the space the >existing LV Rule does. Twice as many Rules, I admit, but since they deal >with quite different aspects of Line Velocity, I think this is preferable. Looks good then. >>Sorry. >Oh, tish. A world preferable to you just voting AGAINST without thinking >to discuss it. Now *there's* an unlikely prospect! -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Thu Jul 2 01:24:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29805 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Jul 1998 08:24:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 08:24:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20208 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:24:00 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20205 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:23:56 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15876 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:23:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 08:23:55 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03539; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:23:53 +0100 Message-Id: <199807020823.JAA03539@uks447> Date: 02 Jul 98 09:19:33 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Resign X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 02-Jul-98 08:10 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I'm going on holiday for a couple of weeks soon anyway, and I've been >having trouble keeping up with the game as it is (anyone notice? :-)) >So I'm going Inactive. I'm sorry to hear that - not just because that's simply one less player, but because anyone you can have a good argument with is always a loss. Hope you can pick it up again at a later date... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Sat Jul 4 08:56:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11717 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Jul 1998 15:56:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 1998 15:56:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14368 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:54:36 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14365 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:54:31 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p52.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.52]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04960 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:54:27 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:54:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807041554.QAA04960@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... (Mornington Nomic) From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Re: Question - Mail Address? New Web Site? Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) To publicly answer a point raised by Dunx in private email (since a few others have made questioning noises about it)... >Pardon my impatient rudeness, but where should I mail votes and new >proposals for Week 11? Also, have you sorted out the new web site? "kdavis@i..." is my new email address, and should really be used for everything. The old "c94kd@d..." one still works and will apparently do so forever (it all getting automatically forwarded to me), but I suppose the Innotts one is preferable. I'm currently working on putting up a Mornomic Web page - with luck I'll have something there before the weekend is over. The expected URL should be "http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/mornomic" I might even put the HTML ruleset up there as well, for I've been half-heartedly writing a program to automatically convert the ASCII ruleset into a neat HTML thing, for the past couple of months... Don't touch that dial, Kevan -- kdavis@i... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd -- UIN: 5998366 "And yea, though I walk in the road to get past, I'm not in the least afraid." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "He Who Would Valium Take" From Kevan Davis Sat Jul 4 14:12:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27594 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Jul 1998 21:12:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 1998 21:12:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA29394 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:10:42 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29391 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:10:36 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (serialB10.innotts.co.uk [195.89.182.81]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19581 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:10:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:10:32 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807042110.WAA19581@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... (Mornington Nomic) From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Web page Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just to let you know that the new Mornomic Web page is up, along with the latest Ruleset, Proposals and Voting results. Point your browsers, amend your bookmarks to and possible even alter your Web pages with regard to this URL... http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/mornomic Kevan -- kdavis@i... -- http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd -- UIN: 5998366 "Let's trash the murder-mystery weekend, let's stage a couldn't-give-a-thon." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Monmore, Hare's Running" From Graeme Jefferis Mon Jul 6 01:38:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1998 08:38:11 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1998 08:38:11 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27458 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:35:50 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA27455 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:35:45 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yt6kS-0003w9-00; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:35:44 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GQNK3ZR>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:31:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'Mornomic list'" Subject: MN: Game 4... PaulWay to play. Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:31:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just a little nudge in the ribs for our resident antipodean, who I'm sure doesn't want to miss a turn. What with Jon and Slakko being Inactive, I believe it's your go. Play now and avoid the rush! -Graeme. From Mon Jul 6 02:23:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28386 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1998 09:23:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1998 09:23:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29783 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:21:54 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29775 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:21:33 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id TAA23371; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:21:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma023360; Mon, 6 Jul 98 19:21:09 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3B51KLGZ>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:21:09 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0199@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:21:08 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 6 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 7 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0500 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(O,T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] [Collecting Hat] Wapping (EL) { Comment: Now the game time clicks over... (I think this is right) +1 Go for running off New Cross Gate +1 Br for still being in Zone 2 +1 Bk for being on the same line Overground Hat from NCG Sorry about the delay - I forgot that both Jon and Slakko were out. AFAICS Dunx did not advance the day as well as the time - this is done. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNaAKZMtA22MsBS7iEQJcKACgtKo2QF8wANIEILNX/pyJY838s7YAnj1F 3EI3x3/+dY6UDLQniRLaKQJJ =+EA8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Mon Jul 6 02:29:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: RE: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:28:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 6 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 7 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0500 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] Wapping (EL) { Comment: Now the game time clicks over... (I think this is right) +1 Go for running off New Cross Gate +1 Br for still being in Zone 2 +1 Bk for being on the same line No Overground Hat from NCG, though - collecting them is a post-move action (curse curse curse) Sorry about the delay - I forgot that both Jon and Slakko were out. AFAICS Dunx did not advance the day as well as the time - this is done. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNaAMA8tA22MsBS7iEQJo4gCg+oTjPz5g1wRLt9YaNzgRGZ/1U30AoPRt K+jaIkCUC0tZcziEAxQtL4BD =1j+o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Mon Jul 6 03:01:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19319 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1998 10:01:54 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1998 10:01:54 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA31594 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:00:56 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA31589 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:00:52 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA18301 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:00:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 6 Jul 1998 10:00:47 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA14762; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:00:44 +0100 Message-Id: <199807061000.LAA14762@uks447> Date: 06 Jul 98 10:54:50 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 4 Clock Watching X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 06-Jul-98 10:28 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) PaulWay wrote: >AFAICS Dunx did not advance the day as well as the time - this is done. That was entirely intentional. Good old Richard Whiteley says: "When Game Time reaches 0000, the next active Player shall, on eir Move, advance Game Time to 0500, e.g. if Rushton's Move has a Game Time of Wednesday 0000, and Garden is to move next, then Garden's Move has a Game Time of Wednesday 0500." The last move had a time of Thursday 2300, so I interpreted RW's burbling as meaning that I should advance Game Time to Thursday 0000, and that the next Player (as it turned out, PaulWay) should push it on to Friday 0500, which e duly did. So there we are. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Mon Jul 6 03:16:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29571 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1998 10:16:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1998 10:16:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA32765 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:16:05 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA32762 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:16:02 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA04553; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:17:06 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:41:14 +0100 Message-Id: <98070610411415@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: re-activating X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Hello all. I am now active again. dave From Graeme Jefferis Mon Jul 6 05:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4685 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1998 12:08:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1998 12:08:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05558 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:06:54 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA05555 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:06:49 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytA2i-0003ZK-00; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:06:48 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GQNK350>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:46:55 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 4 Clock Watching Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:46:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >That was entirely intentional. Good old Richard Whiteley says: >"When Game Time reaches 0000, the next active Player shall, on eir Move, > advance Game Time to 0500, e.g. if Rushton's Move has a Game Time of >Wednesday > 0000, and Garden is to move next, then Garden's Move has a Game Time of > Wednesday 0500." > >The last move had a time of Thursday 2300, so I interpreted RW's burbling as >meaning that I should advance Game Time to Thursday 0000, and that the next >Player (as it turned out, PaulWay) should push it on to Friday 0500, which e >duly did. >So there we are. The ruleset would have the days tick over exactly on midnight; ie, your Thursday-midnight move actually occurred on Friday. This makes sense, technically at least, from a 'real-world time' point of view, but not really from a gameplay one (as it means that any given Day has a big five-hour gap just after it begins). So, although it will have little effect on the gameplay, it's probably worth amending to reflect how we're playing it -- topsy-turvy reasoning, but intuitive I think. Next up, I'm loathe to play an actual move from this work account as Microsoft Outlook has shown itself again and again to butcher anything I try and send using it. I'll probably send myself a dummy copy and see where we go from there. Ta, -Graeme. From Graeme Jefferis Mon Jul 6 06:56:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20973 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jul 1998 13:56:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 1998 13:56:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA10771 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:55:19 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA10766 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:55:13 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytBjb-0000hK-00; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:55:11 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GQNK36H>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:56:39 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: Game 4... Buzz on PaulWay Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:56:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) PaulWay played the following: >miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) > [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] >Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) >PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] Wapping (EL) Just noticed what's been bugging me about this rule -- the Token Running rules disallow the action if the player didn't Move to the terminus. As Paul was Shunted to NCG, he oughtn't be able to Run a token from there. Now, as the Buzzing rules say that pointing out a possible illegality is tantamount to Buzzing it, I may as well do so explicitly: Parp! (And who was it talking about being being looser with the application of rules, mumblemumblemumble... That said, Gold Tokens are important, so perhaps we should do this the official way.) Hopefully formatted better, -Graeme. From Mon Jul 6 20:16:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3563 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 03:16:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 03:16:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA18721 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 04:15:29 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA18700 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 04:15:13 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id NAA08401; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:15:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma008313; Tue, 7 Jul 98 13:14:57 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3B51KPQP>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:14:57 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E019C@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: re-activating Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:14:55 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, July 06, 1998 7:41 PM, kenningd@w... [SMTP:kenningd@w...] wrote: > Hello all. I am now active again. Woohoo! Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNaEGEMtA22MsBS7iEQIMGQCgjAryMjfAoQpCd9ZNJoKFiv5vIwgAn1jc 2BKLaN8drlEuxS3LCyzDHKiY =SRqz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Graeme Jefferis Tue Jul 7 02:59:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: RE: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:57:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ > > | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | > > | | | | | > > | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | > > +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ > > | Dunx | Finchley Central | 6 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | > > |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | > > |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | > > | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | > > | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 4 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | > > | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | > > |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | > > +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ > > +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ > > | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0600 | > > +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ > > +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ > > | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | > > +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ > > +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ > > | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | > > | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | > > | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | > > | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | > > | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | > > | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | > | Charing Cross | Susp Package || | | > +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ > > +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ > > | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | > > | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | > > | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | > > | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(O,T) | > > | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | > > | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | > > +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ > > > Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) > Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) > Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] > miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) > dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] > Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] > Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] > [Power Failure! (JL)] > Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] > > Jon : Pass (JL) > Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) > Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] > miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] > dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] > Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] > Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] > [Power Restored (JL)] > Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] > [Gunnersbury Wild] > Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] > [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] > Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) > PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] > Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] > [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] > miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] > [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] > Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) > [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] > Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] > Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] > PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) > Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) > miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) > Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) > Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) > Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) > PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) > Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) > miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) > Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) > Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) > Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) > PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) > Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) > miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) > Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] > Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) > Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) > PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) > Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from > Dollis Hill] > miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] > Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] > Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] > Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) > [Collecting Hat (Compass)] > Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] > PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) > [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] > [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] > Grimace : Forced Pass > miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) > [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] > > Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] > [Pinner Wild] > Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing > Railcard] > [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] > Slakko : Forced Pass > PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell > Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] > miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) > Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) > [Collecting Hat (Overground)] > Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) > [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] > Slakko : Forced Pass > PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) > Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] > miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) > Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] > > Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] > PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] > [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] > [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] > Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] > [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] > miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) > Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) > Slakko : Forced Pass > PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) > Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) > [Collecting Hat] > miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) > [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] > Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) > PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] [Collecting Hat] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) > > { Comment: > Leaving PaulWay's Gold in play until e concedes/denies the Buzz. Housing the Suspect Package in the table. If Outlook mings this, I'll repost later from home. +1 Bk for same line, -1 extra LV - sugar deficiency and choc withdrawal. Nudging time. > } > > From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 7 04:07:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1139 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 11:07:01 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 11:07:01 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07671 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:03:38 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07666 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:03:32 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p09.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.9]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08397 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:03:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:03:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807071103.MAA08397@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 4 - Idle comment Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Explaining the game to a new Player and discussing the intricacies of choosing a Home Station, I happened to notice that miKi's Game 4 place of residence (Vauxhall) is, er, in Zone 1. I suppose it was declared before the amendment came in, but either way I fear something must be done. Just thought I'd mention it... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Says he's the last of a dying out breed. If that's what you want, read all about it in N.M.E." -- Strangelove, "Last Great Rock 'n' Roll Queen" From Richard Brockie Tue Jul 7 04:35:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23236 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 11:35:17 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 11:35:17 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09072 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:34:29 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [192.108.120.168]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09068 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:34:25 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:34:15 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:34:11 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: Re: MN: Game 4 - Idle comment In-Reply-To: <199807071103.MAA08397@c...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > Explaining the game to a new Player and discussing the intricacies of > choosing a Home Station, I happened to notice that miKi's Game 4 place of > residence (Vauxhall) is, er, in Zone 1. I suppose it was declared before > the amendment came in, but either way I fear something must be done. So it is. Er, I'll change it to Clapham North - how do I do that? --- miKi From Graeme Jefferis Tue Jul 7 05:12:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20064 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 12:12:34 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 12:12:34 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11205 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:11:21 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11201 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:11:15 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytWaY-0003NV-00; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:11:14 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GQNK377>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:07:06 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 4 - Idle comment Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:07:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >So it is. Er, I'll change it to Clapham North - how do I do that? Point of Order is your best bet. Emailing Kevan is officially how you raise a PoO but I'm sure he'll take a request on the mailing list in the same way. -Graeme. From Richard Brockie Tue Jul 7 05:37:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9804 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 12:37:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 12:37:37 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12240 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:36:32 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [192.108.120.168]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12237 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:36:27 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:36:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:36:21 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: Point of Order: Game 4 - Idle comment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Graeme Jefferis wrote: > > > >So it is. Er, I'll change it to Clapham North - how do I do that? > > Point of Order is your best bet. Emailing Kevan is officially > how you raise a PoO but I'm sure he'll take a request on the > mailing list in the same way. I raise a PoO to change my home station to Clapham North. --- miKi From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 7 05:59:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Now that multi-game playing is legal, and that we've got a new Player, I thought I'd start a new Game - another vanilla-rules effort, with the following three Players already:- 1. Drone 2. Julie 3. Kevan Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "The word is 'pedantry'." -- Jonathan Creek From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 7 05:59:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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(Mornington Nomic) From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 11: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Eleven ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 429 - Shunted Down [Amendment] { Comment: One more go, then... I've reworked Shunts for the Memory (Prop 419 from Week 9) to remove the ban on shunting through blocks on the assumption that this is what killed it last time. The 'same line' requirement on shunting is still there, though. } Amend Rule 1.10.1 (A Shunting We Will Go) as follows: Make the first paragraph read as follows - "If a Player Moves to a Station that is already occupied, e can elect to Shunt to that Station. Any Players who are currently located at the Target Station and have the same Line Code as the Shunting Player are Shunted to a single Station with a specified Line Code of the Shunting Player's choice, which fits the following criteria:-" Delete the condition for a valid shunt which refers to the target station being on the same line as the shunted player, and add the following criterion: "* the Line Code of the Station to which the Shunted Players are Shunted is the same as one of the Lines which serves the Target Station" Add the following paragraph after the criteria: "No penalties or bonuses for line changes, Interchange play, or other effects which would be applicable if the movement of the Shunt had been achieved through normal Piece movement shall be applied to the Shunted Players during the Shunt." { Comment: A broader definition than was present in the previous two attempts, the justification being that any tolls applied to a shunted player seem unfair, not just those for line change. } Replace the example as follows - "Brooke-Taylor : Euston (VC) Cryer : Finsbury Park (PD) Garden : Euston (VC) Rushton : Euston (VC) [Shunting Brooke-Taylor and Garden to Moorgate (NT)] { Comment: This is my last try on this amendment. Granted that the two elements within it are not indivisible, but they are nicely balanced: being given the ability to shunt another player onto another line has the price that the shunter and the shuntee(s) must be one the same line at the point of the shunt. Anyway, I'm not prepared to split these two elements. If this fails and someone else wants to propose something similar then good luck to them, but I'm done on this. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 430 - The Stork Cometh [enactment] 1. It's a boy! [enactment] Upon enactment of this rule each player shall be given one Cigar, to be added to their list of possessions in the Game State Document for a maximum of one game in which they are currently playing. If no player has a cigar, this rule shall be repealed. 2. Smoking/No Smoking [enactment, action] Action: Smoking Cigar Type: neutral Duration: none Cost: none Any Player who owns a Cigar possession may perform the action "Smoking Cigar". On doing so the Player is awarded 1 Gold Token and the cigar is removed from eir list of possessions. {Comment: the reason for my recent inactivity is that I was on paternity leave after the birth of my son. Hence cigars all round.} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 431 - Piece of Cake [Other, Multiple] 1. We Get The Idea [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.5.1 (Keeping the Piece) to:- Each Player has a Piece which may be moved around the Map. Unless a Piece's position is modified during another Player's Turn, it does not change between the end of its owner's Turn and the start of its owner's next Turn. { Comments: Trimming all the stuff about Valid Moves, now that this is covered elsewhere. I thought we might as well leave in the basic explanatory paragraph. } 2. Eye of a Needle [Amendment] Append to Rule 1.5.0 (Valid Moves):- Stations "passed through" during a Move are all of those along the route which the Player's Piece has taken, excepting the Station it started and ended the Move at. { Comments: This sits better here than in the Piece Rule, I think. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 432 - Calling Off the Subs [Other, Multiple] { Comments: Another repeal of suspect game mechanics - the Move Substitution Actions, which are without exception better off as Post-Moves only possible after a Pass. } 1. Number Thirteen, Your Time Is Up [Amendment] In Rule 1.7.1 (Action Types), remove the "Move Substitution Actions" list element. 2. Crooked Strile [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.7.12 (Basic Striles) to:- If a Player's Line Velocity is six or more, e may perform a Strile via the pre-Move Action of "[Striling]". Upon performing this Action, all Strilable Stations become Valid Moves for the remainder of the Actioning Player's Turn. A Station is said to be Strilable if it has a Token Stack, and if that Token Stack is identical to the Stack at the Player's current Piece location. { Comments: Oddly enough, the bit about not adding Tokens to a Stack in the Turn which you Strile away from it is superfluous, since you can only drop Tokens in the post-Move Phase. } 3. Stubble [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.4.3 (Stubbery) to read:- If a Player owns the Ticket Stub for the Station eir Piece is situated at, e may perform the pre-Move Action "[Stub Link]" - all Stations which e has Ticket Stubs for are considered Valid Moves for the remainder of eir Turn. 4. Rebuilding Blocks [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.9.1 (Basic Blocks) to read:- A Player may perform the post-Move Action of "[Blocking ]" to Block a Station until the end of eir next Turn, where is a Station adjacent to eir Piece's current position. (If a Player owns a Ticket Stub, e need pay no Tokens to perform this Action.) If a Station is Blocked, any Moves which pass through that Station or end at that Station are Invalid, unless the Moving Player owns the Ticket Stub for that Station. { Comments: Probably the oldest Action in the book, this needed bringing in line with the newer wordings. It also includes the stuff from the Ticket Stub rule, worded as people seem to think it should be played (there was a chorus of horrified gasps when I tried to Block a Station the other side of the Map because I had the Stub for it, some Games ago). } 5. Walk / Don't Walk [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.7.10 (Walk the Walk) to read:- A Player may perform the Action of "[Walking]". If this Action has been performed, the Actioning Player's LV becomes zero, all Stations adjacent to the Actioning Player's Piece location become Valid for the remainder of the Turn, and all other Stations become Invalid for the remainder of the Turn. In addition, Players may Walk between the following Stations:- * Wimbledon (DS) and South Wimbledon (NT) * Ruislip (MP) and West Ruislip (CN) * Sudbury Town (PD) and Wembley Central (BL) * Northwick Park (MP) and Kenton (BL) 6. Paperwork [Amendment] Add "Striling" with a pointer to Rule 1.7.12, "Stubbery" with a pointer to 1.4.3, and "Walking" to Rule 1.7.10, to the list of things with affect Move Validity (all Special Moves), in Rule 1.5.0. 7. More Paperwork [Amendment] In Rule 1.7.3 (Move Substitution Actions), move "Striling", "Stub Link" and "Walking" to the list of pre-Move Actions (reducing their durations by ten minutes, since they're now made *as well* as a Move, rather than in place of), and "Visiting " to the post-Move Actions list. 8. Dive, Dive, Dive [Repeal] Repeal Rule 1.7.3 (Move Substitution Actions). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 433 - No Wonder We're Lost [Amendment] In Rule 1.17.1, replace the URL of the map with :- http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/mornomic/map.html { Comments: The DMU page is probably still there, but it'll be deleted before very long - we might as well get this in as soon as possible. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 7 05:59:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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(Mornington Nomic) From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 11: Voting Results for Week 10 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 423 Line Velociraptor 4 7 - - Amends 1.6.1, Enacts 1.6.3, Amends 1.5.2 424 Starting Again 4 7 - - Amends 1.1.2, Enacts 1.1.7, Enacts 1.1.8 425 Circling Vultures 4 7 - - Enacts 1.8.5, Amends 1.1.2, Enacts/Repeals 6.6.6, [a] Repeals 1.7.18/19, Amends 1.7.3/15 426 Boast Ye Not! 4 7 - - Amends 1.1.5 427 Parallel Play 1 8 2 - Fails 428 Taxing Stuff 3 7 1 - Enacts 1.7.31, Repeals 1.7.5, Amends 1.7.15 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] The Circle Line is now in its Normal State, in all current Games. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 423 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - FOR - - FOR - - 424 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - FOR - - FOR - - 425 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - FOR - - FOR - - 426 (Dunx) - - FOR - - FOR FOR - FOR - - 427 (Dunx) - - FOR - - AGA AGA - - - - 428 (Dunx) - - FOR - - AGA FOR - FOR - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 20 34 6 0 29 0 33 1 1 1 0 Halved: 10 17 3 0 16 0 0 FOR Votes: +0 +8 +0 +0 +12 +0 +0 AGA Votes: -0 -3 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 Decisiveness: +0 +3 +3 I I +3 +3 +0 +0 I I Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 n n -0 -0 -0 -0 n n a a a a Passed EPs: +0 +0 +0 c c +0 +0 +0 +0 c c Failed EPs: -0 -0 -0 t t -0 -0 -0 -0 t t Duplicate Props: +0 +0 +0 i i +0 +0 +0 +0 i i Dead Wood: +0 +2 +0 v v +0 +6 +0 +0 v v Finger/Pulse: +0 +5 +0 e e +0 +5 +0 +0 e e Award Ceremony: +0 +6 +0 +0 +3 +0 +0 [b] Final Kudos: 10 38 6 0 29 3 45 0 0 1 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 2 0 0 3 0 0 0 3 0 2 3 [c] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - Dunx (Taxing Stuff) CAMREC Cleanup Award - Dunx (Boast Ye Not!) Mrs Trellis Award - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) [c] miKi's Apathy Level hits three and e becomes Inactive. That Rule could really use changing, couldn't it? From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Tue Jul 7 06:03:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1173 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 13:03:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 13:03:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13905 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:02:52 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA13902 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:02:49 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA27639; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:03:57 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:08:49 +0100 Message-Id: <98070714084961@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 8 commences X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Now that multi-game playing is legal, and that we've got a new Player, I >thought I'd start a new Game - another vanilla-rules effort, with the >following three Players already:- > > 1. Drone > 2. Julie > 3. Kevan Please put me down for Game 8 as well. I'll nominate East Putney as my home station. dave xxx From Graeme Jefferis Tue Jul 7 06:19:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19126 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 13:19:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 13:19:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14506 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:18:00 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14499 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:17:55 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytXd4-0001Rz-00; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:17:54 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GQNK38G>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:19:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 8 commences Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:19:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Please put me down for Game 8 as well. I'll nominate East Putney as my home >station. Me as well please. Home station Bethnal Green. -Graeme. From Richard Brockie Tue Jul 7 07:16:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24262 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 14:16:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 14:16:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17610 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:15:43 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [192.108.120.168]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17602 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:15:37 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:15:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:15:24 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 11: Voting Results for Week 10 In-Reply-To: <199807071257.NAA16027@c...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Apathy Level: 2 0 0 3 0 0 0 3 0 2 3 [c] > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [c] miKi's Apathy Level hits three and e becomes Inactive. That Rule could > really use changing, couldn't it? It should be 1, as I sent the following email for the previous round of voting. Silly me not to check that my votes had been counted last week. Anyway, I _am_ active. --- miKi >>From rmb@r... Tue Jul 7 15:07:26 1998 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:55:42 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Votes - Year 2, Week 9... Proposal Vote ----------------------- 414 AGAINST 415 AGAINST 416 FOR 417 FOR 418 FOR 419 PASS 420 PASS 421 AGAINST 422 FOR --- miKi From Tue Jul 7 07:46:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25818 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 14:45:59 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 14:45:59 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19070 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:44:52 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19059 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:44:42 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22417 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:44:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 14:44:41 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA02244; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:44:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199807071444.PAA02244@uks447> Date: 07 Jul 98 15:39:43 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 11: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 07-Jul-98 13:57 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) The Proposals for Week 11 included: > Proposal 430 - The Stork Cometh [enactment] > {Comment: the reason for my recent inactivity is that I was on paternity leave > after the birth of my son. Hence cigars all round.} Congratulations! Better smoke it quick before some bugger shunts me and nicks it... > Proposal 432 - Calling Off the Subs [Other, Multiple] > Another repeal of suspect game mechanics - the Move Substitution Actions, > which are without exception better off as Post-Moves only possible after > a Pass. Agreed, however (leaving aside the typo of Post- v Pre-Move) no requirement is made in any of the sub-Proposals that a Pass be played in combination with the suggested Pre-Move Actions. I think the basic weakness is in the form of the rewording which all of the sub-Proposals share: "Upon performing this Action, all Stations become Valid Moves for the remainder of the Actioning Player's Turn." This form allows the Actioned Stations, but does *not* exclude any others. As an example of correct wording in the current ruleset, let's look at Going Home (Rule 1.12.4): "If a Player performs a pre-Move Action of "[Home]" or "[Home: ]", eir LV is set to zero and eir Home Station is treated as a Valid Move for the remainder of eir Turn. A Player may not adjust eir LV after performing a "[Home]" Action." The Rule succeeds where the wording in this Proposal fails, because it makes the Home Station valid but it also prevents any other Station from being valid. It's a shame, because most of the reworks are very sound and perceptive recasts of the original form, but they all suffer from this flaw. I was confused by this sub-Proposal... > 4. Rebuilding Blocks [Amendment] Splendid rework. This is coincidental bundling though - whilst I agree that the Block rule is a little out of date in its wording, rewording it is unrelated to the purpose of this Proposal. > Comments: Probably the oldest Action in the book, this needed bringing in > line with the newer wordings. This is indeed the oldest Action - in fact Actions were specifically introduced in order to allow Blocks. > 5. Walk / Don't Walk [Amendment] > Reword Rule 1.7.10 (Walk the Walk) to read:- > A Player may perform the Action of "[Walking]". If this Action has been > performed, the Actioning Player's LV becomes zero, all Stations adjacent to > the Actioning Player's Piece location become Valid for the remainder of the > Turn, and all other Stations become Invalid for the remainder of the Turn. Again a fine bit of rewording, but the new form is insufficient. The following condition from the existing Walking rule is not catered for: "Walking may only be performed under the following circumstances: - to travel between two Stations of the same name on different lines which are not co-located on the map (eg between Waterloo Interchange and Waterloo (JL), or between Turnham Green (PD) and Turnham Green (DS))" Bluntly, this business of moving between stations of the same name on different lines was the original point of the Walking Proposal which is why it's the first condition. Hmm. I seem to have my savage head on today. Apologies. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Jul 7 07:39:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19226 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 14:39:43 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 14:39:43 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18630 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:38:30 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18625 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:38:24 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA21565 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:38:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 14:38:22 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA01283; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:38:19 +0100 Message-Id: <199807071438.PAA01283@uks447> Date: 07 Jul 98 15:02:10 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: RE: MN: Game 8 commences X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 07-Jul-98 14:19 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I'd like to join in as well, please. Preston Road as Home, I think. Hmm. I know we've had a recent attempt to restructure Home Station thing, but it does seem a bit daft that we have all these mailing list declarations, and we all move to our home stations as our first moves, *and* there is a large section of the GSD devoted to recording this information. I was wondering if we could dispense with the GSD section, and just take a Player's first move of the game as their Home Station declaration. For the vast majority of Players in a Game, this information will still be at the top of the GSD (the exception being those Players who join during a Game). If we got rid of the Home Station section in the token table, we could have more token types or other player/piece attributes. And welcome, Julie. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Tue Jul 7 07:51:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29219 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 14:51:29 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 14:51:29 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19496 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:50:37 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19491 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:50:34 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA08039; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:51:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:48:32 +0100 Message-Id: <98070715483269@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: RE: MN: Game 8 commences X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I was wondering if we could dispense with the GSD section, and just take >a Player's first move of the game as their Home Station declaration. I suppose we could also dispense with the declaring home stations until you actually play the first move, which would balance out the advantages of going first (the carte blanche aspect) with a new advantage of going last (being able to choose home tactically). >the vast majority of Players in a Game, this information will still be at >the top of the GSD (the exception being those Players who join during a >Game). That could be a problem, but probably solved by indicating a player's first move with an asterisk by eir name, just to make it stand out amid the other moves. >If we got rid of the Home Station section in the token table, we could >have more token types or other player/piece attributes. I have to say I've considered proposing new token types and been put off at least in part by the lack of space in the GSD. And it's true that the space could be used (better?) for information such as a player's spoon status, drone keepering, and whatever else (though it probably wouldn't leave enough space to allow for posessions to be listed there) Interesting thoughts, Dunx. >And welcome, Julie. Likewise. I must say it has troubled me in the past that mornington nomic seems to be an exclusively male pursuit. dave xxx From Graeme Jefferis Tue Jul 7 09:39:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11670 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 16:39:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 16:39:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA25287 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:37:04 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25277 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:36:57 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytaja-0002uN-00; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:36:51 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GQNK38X>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:36:20 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: RE: MN: Game 8 commences Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:36:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > >I was wondering if we could dispense with the GSD ! >section, and just take a Player's first move of the >game as their Home Station declaration. Probably a good idea; although I like the reference in the Table I'm sure I could live without it. >I suppose we could also dispense with the >declaring home stations until you actually play the >first move, Excellent idea. >That could be a problem, but probably solved by >indicating a player's first move with an asterisk >by eir name, just to make it stand out amid the >other moves. Perhaps, although still not something I'd really notice easily. Aligning the [Home: Somewhere] action to the far-right-hand side of the GSD would be nice if it were practicable? >I have to say I've considered proposing new >token types and been put off at least in part by >the lack of space in the GSD. And it's true that the >space could be used (better?) for information >such as a player's spoon status, drone keepering, >and whatever else (though it probably wouldn't >leave enough space to allow for posessions to be >listed there) States such as spoon are mainly being merged into possession - such as Spoon Clamp, Drone Stick, and things, although I can't recall offhand how many of these have passed. The intention being that the possessions list details what 'states' a player is in without having to probe deep into the play record nor clog up the Table too much. >>And welcome, Julie. Indeed, welcome. -Graeme. Btw, if this mail doesn't get through in one piece I'll stop sending from work altogether :) From Tue Jul 7 11:09:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3023 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 18:09:57 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 18:09:57 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA30348 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:08:16 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA30339 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:08:06 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod100.interalpha.net [195.26.225.128]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA23549 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:08:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199807071808.TAA23549@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:20:24 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 6 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 4 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0600 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || | | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) { Comment: Leaving PaulWay's Gold in play until e concedes/denies that Buzz. Housing the Suspect Package in the table. Outlook minged this, so here's a legible repost. +1 Bk for same line, -1 extra LV - sugar deficiency and choc withdrawal. Nudging time. } From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 7 11:50:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19453 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 18:50:52 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 18:50:52 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA32305 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:49:05 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA32291 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:48:56 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p49.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.49]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12615 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:48:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:48:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807071848.TAA12615@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Point of Order: Game 4 - Idle comment Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> Point of Order is your best bet. Emailing Kevan is officially >> how you raise a PoO but I'm sure he'll take a request on the >> mailing list in the same way. > >I raise a PoO to change my home station to Clapham North. Actioned. Consider it so. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "But now when we meet up today, it don't seem right that we just don't know what to say. Both sat there staring at our shoes, not knowing what to do." -- Strangelove, "The Runaway Brothers" From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 7 11:51:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 11: Voting Results for Week 10 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> [c] miKi's Apathy Level hits three and e becomes Inactive. That Rule could >> really use changing, couldn't it? > >It should be 1, as I sent the following email for the previous round of >voting. Silly me not to check that my votes had been counted last week. Hmm. Possibly this went the way of a few other emails I mislaid during that Week - I was fopping around with my about-to-die university account and my new home-access one, rigging up forwarding and suchlike, and I think I lost two or three emails down the back of sofas. Apologies on behalf of the powers that might be. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Train heave on, to Euston - do you think you've made the right decision this time?" -- The Smiths, "London" From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 7 11:52:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20744 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 18:52:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 18:52:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA32304 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:49:04 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA32290 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:48:55 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p49.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.49]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12612 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:48:46 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:48:46 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807071848.TAA12612@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... (Mornington Nomic) From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 8 Playing Order Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Ignoring the Home Station declarations since they count for nothing any more, the Playing Order for Game 8 is... 1. dave 2. Grimace 3. Dunx 4. Drone 5. Julie 6. Kevan Play on. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I was tired again, I tried again and now my heart is full, now my heart is full, and I just can't explain so I won't even try to." -- Morrissey, "Now My Heart Is Full" From Tue Jul 7 16:53:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27982 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jul 1998 23:53:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 23:53:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA15888 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:52:32 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA15884 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:52:23 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA02721; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:52:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma002529; Wed, 8 Jul 98 09:51:50 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3B51K4P2>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:51:49 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E019E@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 8 commences Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:51:41 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tuesday, July 07, 1998 10:58 PM, Kevan Davis [SMTP:c94kd@d...] wrote: > Now that multi-game playing is legal, and that we've got a new Player, I > thought I'd start a new Game - another vanilla-rules effort, with the > following three Players already:- I'd like to join this game as well. If I'm going to learn from my mistakes, I better make some more. Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Tue Jul 7 17:35:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9190 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1998 00:35:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1998 00:35:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA18051 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:34:26 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA18048 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:34:19 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id KAA22043; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:34:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma022000; Wed, 8 Jul 98 10:33:51 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3B51K49D>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:33:51 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01A0@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Re: Game 4 Buzz Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:33:42 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Leaving PaulWay's Gold in play until e concedes/denies that Buzz. > Housing the Suspect Package in the table. Hmmm. There's one problem with this. According to my reading of the rules, now you've played a move, my move is left as 'legal'. I was going to concede the buzz anyway, but was going to shuffle around the rules just in case there was a loophole somewhere (typically nomicesque behaviour...). However, yesterday was a bit busy and I didn't get around to it. Point of Order, mister Speaker. I would like to replay my move following the Buzz; can I therefore ignore Grimace's turn? Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Graeme Jefferis Wed Jul 8 01:00:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20262 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1998 08:00:17 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1998 08:00:17 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03889 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:59:31 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA03886 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:59:27 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ytp8Q-0004lz-00; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:59:27 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GQNK39W>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:56:35 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: RE: Re: Game 4 Buzz Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:56:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Leaving PaulWay's Gold in play until e concedes/denies that Buzz. >Hmmm. There's one problem with this. According to my reading of >the rules, now you've played a move, my move is left as 'legal'. >I was going to concede the buzz anyway, but was going to shuffle >around the rules just in case there was a loophole somewhere >(typically nomicesque behaviour...). However, yesterday was a bit >busy and I didn't get around to it. Ah... good point really. Although I think my move could come under 'mistimed' giving you the power to play over it, the PoO raised is a wise one. Apologies for my impatience. -Graeme. From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Jul 8 04:08:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22033 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1998 11:08:37 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1998 11:08:37 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13350 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:06:51 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA13345 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:06:46 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA28000; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:07:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:10:25 +0100 Message-Id: <98070812102511@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 delayed start... X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Those of you waiting for Game 8 to start, I hope you won't mind waiting a little longer before I make my first move -- I've just submitted an Emergency Proposal concerning the Game State Document. If you can't wait any longer, I'll start the game forthwith (interestingly, this raises the question of whether or not you can be forced to pass on the opening move of the game...) dave xxx From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Jul 8 07:52:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22157 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1998 14:52:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1998 14:52:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA24589 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:50:48 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA24585 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:50:44 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA26200; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:51:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:56:52 +0100 Message-Id: <98070815565259@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 delayed start (reprise) X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I just realised that Game 8 can't start yet anyway because Kevan hasn't specified a starting Game Time..... dave xxx From Kevan Davis Wed Jul 8 13:20:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21562 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jul 1998 20:20:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1998 20:20:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09714 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:18:50 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09711 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:18:45 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p45.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.45]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11362 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:18:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:18:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807082018.VAA11362@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: Re: Game 4 Buzz Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Hmmm. There's one problem with this. According to my reading of the >rules, now you've played a move, my move is left as 'legal'. I was >going to concede the buzz anyway, but was going to shuffle around the >rules just in case there was a loophole somewhere (typically nomicesque >behaviour...). However, yesterday was a bit busy and I didn't get >around to it. > >Point of Order, mister Speaker. I would like to replay my move >following the Buzz; can I therefore ignore Grimace's turn? Well, the Buzzing Rule says:- * Any Move following a Move that is subsequently buzzed shall be declared a Mistimed Move, regardless of its legality, and shall be ignored. So, er, yes. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Reel around the fountain, slap me on the patio - I'll take it now." -- The Smiths, "Reel Around The Fountain" From Kevan Davis Wed Jul 8 13:20:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) A new Playing Order, then, with Mr Wayper aboard and a chosen Game Time of, excitingly, Sunday 1900. 1. dave 2. Grimace 3. PaulWay 4. Dunx 5. Drone 6. Julie 7. Kevan Mind the doors, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "And we're shaking hands goodnight, so politely." -- Morrissey, "Driving Your Girlfriend Home" From Kevan Davis Wed Jul 8 13:20:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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(Mornington Nomic) From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Emergency Proposal 024 - Judged Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emergency Proposal 024 - Ars Gratia Artis [other] The Game State Document for Game 8 shall follow this example: +----------+----------------+-------------+---------------+-------------------+ | GAME: 32 | TIME: Mon 0600 | CIRCLE: <-> | BRIDGES: down | KNIP: out | +----------+----------------+-------------+---------------+-------------------+ | WILD: Chalfont & Latimer, Kings Cross, Ealing Broadway | +=============================================================================+ | Mile End | BkBuBuReSiBk | Amersham | BrBkBkSiReRe | | Epping | BrBkRe | Ealing Broadway | Bk | +=============================================================================+ | Name |LV| Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | Other information | +---------------+--+-------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Rushton | 8| 4 0 5 1 3 1 | | | Brooke-Taylor | 4| 3 2 4 2 4 1 | In Spoon | | Drone | 6| 1 2 2 0 1 1 | | | Garden |10| 7 1 4 0 6 3 | Drone Keeper | +---------------+--+-------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Rushton | Zone 1 Pass, Hats (ACV) | | Brooke-Taylor | Railcard, Chocolate Bar, Hats (TV) | | Garden | Zones 1-3 Pass, Railcard, Hats (AOTV) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------------------+ {Comment: I've ben considering the perennial GSD format question and have come up with the above which is more compact, and I hope more user-friendly. If this EP passes and this format works out for Game 8, I'll propose to include it formally in the ruleset (with all the necessary tinkerings that will be required), if not, we'll have to go with the status quo until someone comes up with something better... Note the addition of the game number in the header info, and the removal of home stations, as has been discussed; basically, I've tried to remove as much extraneous information as possible (most of it is self-explanatory anyway); Home stations could easily be mentioned in the 'Other information' section if people think that is necessary.} { Judge's Comment: The fickle finger of Fate selected your dear Speaker as the Judge for this one, so I've Judged immediately and shall comment on it here. Basically; yes, an applaudable effort to trim extraneous space and make the top of the GSD a nicer place, but I'm really not happy with any of the proposed alternative solutions to keeping track of Home Stations, and the "Other Information" box seems rather too superfluous (at least for the examples chosen, and I can think of no others); Spoon is easy enough to keep track of normally, being something a Player is likely to remember, and Drone Keeping was (in, I grant you, a Proposal dave wasn't around for) altered slightly so that the Keeper gets a Drone Stick to signify eir position. Sorry to be such a squib, but since this is an Eprop I should really Judge it black-and-whitely. Would have been nicer to get this discussed on the mailing list first, really. } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raised by dave, 08/07/98 Kevan has been selected to Judge this Proposal Kevan Judges AGAINST ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Kevan Davis Wed Jul 8 13:20:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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(Mornington Nomic) From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Emergency Proposal 023 - Reassignment Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emergency Proposal 023 - Blunting Knip [Amendment] Add the "[Line Change]" Action to Knip's current exception of "[Out of Knip]", for Actions which are not affected by Knip's denial of Token expenditure. { Comments: As mentioned at the time, this oversight of mine during the Token Effort Proposal means that Knip stops Line Changes - rather too drastic, and completely unintentional. Tsk. } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raised by Kevan, 30/06/98 Slakko has been selected to Judge this Proposal Reassigned to Grimace, 08/07/98 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Wed Jul 8 23:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26119 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1998 06:38:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1998 06:38:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA05982 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:37:51 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05979 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:37:46 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod114.interalpha.net [195.26.225.142]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA21054 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:39:05 +0100 Message-Id: <199807090639.HAA21054@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Emergency Proposal 023 - Reassignment Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:34:09 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Emergency Proposal 023 - Blunting Knip [Amendment] > > Add the "[Line Change]" Action to Knip's current exception of "[Out of > Knip]", for Actions which are not affected by Knip's denial of Token > expenditure. > > { > Comments: > > As mentioned at the time, this oversight of mine during the Token Effort > Proposal means that Knip stops Line Changes - rather too drastic, and > completely unintentional. Tsk. > } FOR, of course. -Graeme. From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Thu Jul 9 03:04:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7992 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1998 10:04:54 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1998 10:04:54 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16337 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:03:52 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16286 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:03:41 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA03378; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:04:53 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:59:12 +0100 Message-Id: <98070910590859@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Emergency Proposal 024 - Judged X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >the "Other Information" box seems rather too superfluous > (at least for the examples chosen, and I can think of no others); Indeed. It occurred to me after I submitted the EP that in fact the sample names are a bad choice -- "Brooke-Taylor", while having a certain appositeness, is inordinately long. If you substituted a more realistically short name, then the 'other' space can be increased, and used as the luggage rack -- it may ultimately require some abbreviation of possessions (perhaps something like "ZP 1-3" for zone passes?) but I think it could be worked. The length of names can be restricted by a rule (is it already? I can't remember without checking) to prevent that ever becoming a problem. > Sorry to be such a squib, Not at all -- it's all part of the game. >but since this is an Eprop I should really > Judge it black-and-whitely. Would have been nicer to get this discussed > on the mailing list first, really. Yes, I really just wanted to see if it would get through quickly before game 8 started. It hasn't, so we can now perhaps discuss it on the list while getting on with the game, which I shall kick off asap. dave From Graeme Jefferis Thu Jul 9 03:14:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15355 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1998 10:14:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1998 10:14:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16692 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:13:31 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16688 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:13:26 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yuDhc-00023U-00; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:13:25 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GQNKPA9>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:15:25 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Emergency Proposal 024 - Judged Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:15:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Indeed. It occurred to me after I submitted the EP that in fact the sample >names are a bad choice -- "Brooke-Taylor", while having a certain >appositeness, is inordinately long. If you substituted a more realistically >short name, then the 'other' space can be increased, and used as the luggage >rack -- it may ultimately require some abbreviation of possessions (perhaps >something like "ZP 1-3" for zone passes?) but I think it could be worked. >The length of names can be restricted by a rule (is it already? I can't >remember without checking) to prevent that ever becoming a problem. First, name length is restricted, though I forget by how much. More importantly, as the point of GSD furniture arranging is to make things easier, abbreviating things is a very bad idea. That said, I did like the proposed design. Kevan mentioned that Spoon wouldn't need inclusion in the 'other' section; he's quite right, as the Spoon Clamp possession shows Spoon well enough. If we revamp all player states in a similar way -- are there many more to do? -- then the 'Other' space could be happily employed as Home Station space. >Yes, I really just wanted to see if it would get through quickly before game 8 >started. It hasn't, so we can now perhaps discuss it on the list while getting >on with the game, which I shall kick off asap. No real rush as I'm not going to play until I get home, about six-thirty to seven-ish. -Graeme. From Kevan Davis Thu Jul 9 05:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12976 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1998 12:32:18 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1998 12:32:18 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA23534 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:30:53 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23530 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:30:48 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p14.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.14]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01996 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:30:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:30:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807091230.NAA01996@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 11: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> Proposal 432 - Calling Off the Subs [Other, Multiple] > >> Another repeal of suspect game mechanics - the Move Substitution >Actions, >> which are without exception better off as Post-Moves only possible >after >> a Pass. >Agreed, however (leaving aside the typo of Post- v Pre-Move) no requirement >is made in any of the sub-Proposals that a Pass be played in combination >with the suggested Pre-Move Actions. That was me being sloppy, actually - I realised afterwards that three of them were actually "do a pre-Move and make certain Moves legal" rather than "pass and achieve something"; I forgot to go back and amend the comment. >I think the basic weakness is in the form of the rewording which all of the >sub-Proposals share: >"Upon performing this Action, all Stations become Valid Moves >for the remainder of the Actioning Player's Turn." > >This form allows the Actioned Stations, but does *not* exclude any others. A well-made point, yes. It could certainly make the Game a little confusing if people Walked and then Moved normally, or Striled... No real effect on the Game itself, as far as I can see - people are merely welcome to waste ten minutes performing a superfluous Action. But it should be amended, for the sake of reason. I'm not sure how, though. Bringing it in line with the "correct" wording of Homing isn't really a solution, since a Player can feasibly perform "[Home] [Walking] [Wild]" and still confuse matters. I concede that Move Substitution Actions had a very good point to them, in that you could only perform one of them each Turn. Their flaw to my eye, though, was that they made the list of Moves look a little confusing, in that Player Moves involving Move Subs would have no actual Piece Move portion. I suspect the finest solution would be to mark relevant pre-Move Actions as being "Piece Manipulation Actions" (noting them with a mere asterisk, or somesuch) and allowing only one per Turn. Including "[Home]", "[LV+X]" and whatnot, this would tidy up a lot of things with little effort (such as not being able to fiddle LV more than once, or to go Home then speed up). >I was confused by this sub-Proposal... > >> 4. Rebuilding Blocks [Amendment] > >Splendid rework. > >This is coincidental bundling though - whilst I agree that the Block rule >is a little out of date in its wording, rewording it is unrelated to the >purpose of this Proposal. A little out of line, yes - I was altering it to include some of the stuff from the Stubbery Rule, and just thought I'd reword it as I went. I don't think I was being particularly controversial in my rewordings, anyway - just bringing them in step with the style of other Actions, rather than changing their effect. >> 5. Walk / Don't Walk [Amendment] > >Bluntly, this business of moving between stations of the same name on >different lines was the original point of the Walking Proposal which is why >it's the first condition. How shatteringly remiss of me. I had actually had "or Stations with the same name" in the main paragraph somewhere; I took it out to put in a paragraph of its own, but evidently had my attention distracted somewhere along the line. Vote how you will on this one, anyway - if it fails to pass I'll just repropose it next Week with corrections to the mentioned bits. If anyone thinks we're better off keeping Move Sub Actions, though, voice your reasons and I'll stop trying to kill them off. >Hmm. I seem to have my savage head on today. Apologies. Superfluous, of course. Were you nice and polite and hesitant, I wouldn't have bothered thinking about things enough to defend my ideas. Such confrontation is the lifeblood of Nomic, and is hopefully never taken personally. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "To make myself appear less of a soft target to any marauding gangs, I think I spat a few times." -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "Cookie the Clown" From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Thu Jul 9 07:39:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26592 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1998 14:39:27 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1998 14:39:27 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA29954 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:38:01 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA29946 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:37:55 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA10633; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:39:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:25:02 +0100 Message-Id: <98070915250208@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Grimace | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Paulway | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Dunx | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Julie | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Kevan | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +---------+------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------++----------------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sun 1900 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++----------------------------------------++----------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) {Comment: hope I've done this right, what with so much changing in my absence} From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Thu Jul 9 08:53:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24546 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1998 15:53:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1998 15:53:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01139 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:52:04 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01131 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:51:58 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA21563; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:53:10 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:49:28 +0100 Message-Id: <98070915492802@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: re-jigged possible new GSD idea... X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) The following reworking of my idea for a changed GSD format takes into consideration soe of the comments made on the earlier version and adds a line for damaged stations (of course, such things need only be added ad hoc -- if you have no wild or damaged stations, there's no need to take up that space in the GSD). Two things -- first, I've reinstated home stations, which I think is probably a good thing (for convenience's sake) but I think it would be also be a good thing to list tokens and LV before them in the GSD as I personally think it makes it easier to read. Also, I agree that abbreviating possessions is not necessarily a good idea, so we may as well use the space to list home stations. rather than leave it blank. Second, while I agree that the 'other' section has limited use, I think it could come in handy, besides which I'm not over keen on the current 'drone stick' solution -- I don't mind the principle but I think it should be kept separate from other types of possessions, and an 'other' section would, in my view, be ideal. I think the more compact rendition of the token table is an improvement (cheers), and it also means there is more space for such things as an 'other' section. I also think it would be useful to have a handy indication of who is in spoon (or whatever other handicaps and conditions may be introduced to the game later...) Anyway, this is just my slant on the problem that needs solving. The GSD will never be particularly small, but that's a function of the amount of information that needs to be recorded in it. What we really need to aim for, I reckon, is something that's more compact and easier to read than the current style. By the way, I'm not sure if there is an actual restriction on length of names -- at least I can't find it in the rules if there is. Anyone? dave ********** +----------+----------------+-------------+---------------+-------------------+ | GAME: 32 | TIME: Wed 1700 | CIRCLE: <-- | BRIDGES: down | Out of Knip | +----------+----------------+-------------+---------------+-------------------+ | WILD: Rickmansworth, Beckton, Ealing Broadway | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | DAMAGED: Angel, Victoria, Royal Oak, Custom House, Hainault, Cockfosters | +=======================+==============+=======================+==============+ | Mile End | BkBuBuReSiBk | Amersham | BkBkSiRe | | Epping | BrBkRe | Ealing Broadway | Bk | | Chalfont & Latimer | ReBkBkBkBu | Charing Cross | Susp Package | +=========+==+==========+========+=====+=======================+==============+ | Player |LV| Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | Home Station | Other | +---------+--+-------------------+-----------------------------+--------------+ | Willie | 8| 4 0 5 1 3 1 | Chorleywood | | | Tim | 4| 3 2 4 2 4 1 | Dagenham Heathway | Spoon | | Drone | 6| 1 2 2 0 1 1 | | | | Graeme |10| 7 1 4 0 6 3 | Tooting Bec | Drone Stick | +---------+--+-------------------+-----------------------------+--------------+ | Willie | Zone 1 Pass, Hats (ACV) | | Tim | Railcard, Chocolate Bar, Marmalade Sandwich, Hats (TV), Harmonica | | Graeme | Zones 1-3 Pass, Railcard, Hats (AOTV) | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Thu Jul 9 23:36:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23901 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1998 06:36:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1998 06:36:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA11296 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:34:36 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11293 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:34:29 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod123.interalpha.net [195.26.225.151]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA07254 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:36:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199807100636.HAA07254@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:34:53 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Paulway | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Dunx | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Julie | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Kevan | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +---------+------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------++----------------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sun 1900 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++----------------------------------------++----------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) {Comment: Hope dave's done his right, cos I've not been bothered to look up any of the game-starting things myself. Apologies for lateness, due to drunkenness! } From Graeme Jefferis Thu Jul 9 09:43:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27563 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1998 16:42:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1998 16:42:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA03863 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:42:15 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03860 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:42:11 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yuJll-0007Z2-00; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:42:05 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GQNKPC3>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:44:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: re-jigged possible new GSD idea... Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:44:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >By the way, I'm not sure if there is an actual restriction on length of >names -- at least I can't find it in the rules if there is. Anyone? Good grief, it's gone! I'm sure there used to be one in 0.3.1, and I seem to think it was '4 to 9 characters' though I'm not sure why I think that. >Second, while I agree that the 'other' section has limited use, I >think it could come in handy, besides which I'm not over keen on the >current 'drone stick' solution -- I don't mind the principle but I >think it should be kept separate from other types of possessions, >and an 'other' section would, in my view, be ideal. I think the >more compact rendition of the token table is an I actually think I've spotted a major Drone Stickkery flaw; the Stick can actually be stolen in a shunt, being a possession. Theoretically, Drone emself could steal the Stick off the Drone Keeper, not that anyone would actually play to do that I hope. A proposal to fix this will arrive for the coming Week. Also, Spoon Clamps can (I think) be stolen, although I doubt anyone's really going to want to place emselves into Spoon. [table snipped] One thing I'll say is I don't really find this new version any more legible than the existing one. Compactness is always going to sacrifice legibility in some way, but I think this one is a little *too* compact for it's own good. Indeed, I find it harder to read than the one we already have which isn't really the way to go.. -- although, of course, I might just be bonkers in the nut. Still, we shall see. -Graeme. From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Thu Jul 9 09:58:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12671 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1998 16:58:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1998 16:58:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04445 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:57:44 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04442 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:57:41 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA31727; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:58:53 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:57:58 +0100 Message-Id: <98070917575856@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: RE: re-jigged possible new GSD idea... X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Good grief, it's gone! I'm sure there used to be one in 0.3.1, and >I seem to think it was '4 to 9 characters' though I'm not sure why I >think that. I thought so too, but not to worry. >I actually think I've spotted a major Drone Stickkery flaw; the >Stick can actually be stolen in a shunt, being a possession. Bloody good point. I knew there was a reason I didn't like it. >One thing I'll say is I don't really find this new version any >more legible than the existing one. No? OK, fair enough. >Compactness is always >going to sacrifice legibility in some way, I suppose so. >Indeed, I >find it harder to read than the one we already have which >isn't really the way to go.. I agree with the principal of what you're saying, and if that's the way you feel, then my attempt is a miserable failure. Ho hum. > -- although, of course, I might >just be bonkers in the nut. No comment. dave From Thu Jul 9 10:29:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23544 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Jul 1998 17:29:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 1998 17:29:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA06202 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:27:42 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06196 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:27:31 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA13663 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:27:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 9 Jul 1998 17:27:20 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA10544; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:27:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199807091727.SAA10544@uks447> Date: 09 Jul 98 18:24:05 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Tourist Rules MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Here's yet another Special Ruleset idea. Opinions, please. The basic idea is to allow MC to be played on transport networks other than the London Underground. Fortunately, much of the ruleset is fairly generic (tokens, line changes) and other parts are trivially substituted (any slightly isolated station instead of MC, some fairly well-connected station in lieu of Bank) but there are some significantly difficult areas. 1. Lines Alternative line codes have to be supplied. Not difficult, just a pain. 2. Special Lines Actually, this is just the Circle Line nowadays... There are a few areas of the ruleset which require the Circle Line amongst which are: - Circle polarity - removing Spoon Clamps All that can really be done here is for a particular Line incorporating a closed loop with something inside it to be nominated as a the local Circle equivalent. If no such loop is present, then ignore all Circle rules. 3. Bridges Most cities have a river or some other body of water running through them somewhere, so the Bridge rule doesn't need any tweaking. The only additional effect might be to halt any water-borne transport. Obviously, if there is no water there are no bridges. 4. Station Categories There are two kinds of categories: notational and nomenclatural. Notational classifications are based on what attributes a Station has: Interchange, Overground, Terminus. Nomenclatural classifications are just based on the name of the Station: Hill, Holy, A-Z. Fortunately, for transport networks in English-speaking countries at least the Nomenclatural classes can be left as is (although we might have to provide alternative words for other languages). Notational classes are trickier. Each of these types of categories has its own problems - are Interchanges marked? Are any Overground connections specified? I think the only one of these which isn't terribly troublesome is Terminus... 5. Overground Overground Stations are particularly difficult, though, because several Rules rely on them. The most critical of these is the Emporium. My thinking here was that if Overground does not exist as a category on the alternative map that either another category could be nominated to house the Emporia, or that all Possessions could simply become Dispensable. 6. Hats If there aren't any representatives of a particular type of Hat on the map, then an alternative class needs to be substituted. 7. Special Stations and Line Segments There are a few stations and line segments that are mentioned explicitly, primarily in Walking (1.7.10), Escalator Links (1.5.3) and Game Time (section 1.13). All that can be done here is to ignore the specifics and rely on generic definitions. The real loss here is Manoeuvres: only generic manoeuvres are usable, and even then might be inappropriate. 8. Zones This is the real killer. Despite only being recently introduced, Zones have a significant role in the Game already. However, not all transport networks have zones, and when they do they are rarely as complex as the LU system. I was thinking about suggesting some kind of mapping from local zones to LU Zones where there is a zone structure, and of just giving everyone a Bronze token every Turn where there are no zones, but neither of these is particularly satisfactory. So there you have it - what do people think? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Fri Jul 10 00:36:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20727 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1998 07:36:24 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1998 07:36:24 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14103 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:35:19 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14099 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:35:07 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id RAA25565; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:35:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma025547; Fri, 10 Jul 98 17:34:45 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:34:44 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01A5@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: RE: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:34:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 6 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 7 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0500 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] Wapping (EL) { Comment: Now the game time clicks over... (I think this is right) No gold for running, since I can't (curse curse curse curse curse!) +1 Br for still being in Zone 2 +1 Bk for being on the same line No Overground Hat from NCG, though - collecting them is a post-move action (curse curse curse) Sorry about the delay - brain malfunction. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNaU3bctA22MsBS7iEQKHjgCgywxvjwm+DatjWUsNG7O304jsPakAoKh1 jO/hR8/XV3irltAMYS4wOd4R =Cu6Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Fri Jul 10 01:06:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26215 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1998 08:06:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1998 08:06:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA15676 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:04:46 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15673 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:04:39 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id SAA00829; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:04:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma000752; Fri, 10 Jul 98 18:04:14 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:04:13 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01A6@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: Another GSD idea... Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:04:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +----------+----------------+-------------+---------------+------------- ------+ | GAME: 32 | TIME: Wed 1700 | CIRCLE: <-- | BRIDGES: down | Out of Knip | +-STATIONS:+-(W)=Wild---+---+----------+--+-(D)=Damaged---+----+-------- ------+ | Amersham | BkBkSiRe | Angel (D) | | | Chalfont & Latimer | ReBkBkBkBu | Charing Cross | Susp Package | | Ealing Broadway | Bk | Epping | BrBkRe | | Mile End (D) | BkBuBuReSiBk | Rotherhithe (W) | | +-Player-(S)=Spoon------+LV+-Bk-Bu-Br-Go-Re-Si-+-Home-Station--+-(D)=Dro ne----+ | Willie (S) | 8| 4 0 5 1 3 1 | Chorleywood | | Tim | 4| 3 2 4 2 4 1 | Dagenham Heathway | | Drone | 6| 1 2 2 0 1 1 | | | Graeme (D) |10| 7 1 4 0 6 3 | Tooting Bec | +-POSSESSIONS:+---------+--+-------------------+------------------------ ------+ | Willie | Zone 1 Pass, Hats (ACV) | | Tim | Railcard, Chocolate Bar, Marmalade Sandwich, Hats (TV), Harmonica | | Graeme | Zones 1-3 Pass, Railcard, Hats (AOTV) | +---------+------------------------------------------------------------- ------+ While we're discussiong new GSD headers, here's one catalysed from Dave's idea, but compressed down to eliminate a fair bit of the lines and white space, and to initial things (like Spoon for players and Damaged for stations) where we'll get used to seeing them that way soon enough. Anyway, have a good one, whatever it is. Mine started off pretty bad and I've lived with it. Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Fri Jul 10 02:04:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26822 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1998 09:04:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1998 09:04:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA18331 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:03:02 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18325 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:02:57 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23813 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:02:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 10 Jul 1998 09:02:56 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA28950; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:02:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199807100902.KAA28950@uks447> Date: 10 Jul 98 10:00:55 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Another GSD idea... X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 10-Jul-98 09:04 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Well, the obvious criticism is that it's too wide at 80 characters and gets wrapped by the list. I think the GSD format we've got stretches the current list's limits about as far as they'll go - that's only 71 characters wide, but with different Players' mailers adding spaces in odd places (mine adds trailing spaces, someone else's adds leading spaces) there is enough leeway for the GSD not to get wrapped at unfortunate moments. There are two other more substantive points which I think work against this format, though: 1. the station table will get a lot larger. If you have a dozen token stacks, three wild stations and a few damaged stations where none of those are common, you've suddenly got a station table of twice the size. Of course, this is less important if the overall GSD header is smaller, but fundamentally marking a wild/damaged station in this way when it doesn't have a token stack is considerably less space-efficient than the old one-line block approach introduced for damaged stations. 2. the element of sequence is lost. Both Wild and Damaged Stations rely on the order in which things happened, and if you're flagging stations in an alphabetically ordered table then you lose the information about which was declared/damaged first. In computer science terms this is the same thing as the difference between the ordering in a linked list and that in a hah table - the hash is more efficient for some things, but loses sequence information. I think the best bet is to leave damaged stations more or less as is, and to change wilds to work in the same way. I like the rest of it though. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Fri Jul 10 02:30:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17135 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1998 09:30:28 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1998 09:30:28 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19582 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:29:41 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19579 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:29:36 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA24860; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:30:51 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:20:02 +0100 Message-Id: <98071010200233@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Tourist Rules X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >The basic idea is to allow MC to be played on transport networks other >than the London Underground. A sound basic idea. >4. Station Categories >There are two kinds of categories: notational and nomenclatural. When you reduce it to that fundamental point, it's quite easy to think up new categories (much easier than trying to 'translate' current ones). Good stuff. >Notational classes are trickier. Each of these types of categories has its >own problems - are Interchanges marked? Are any Overground connections >specified? I think the only one of these which isn't terribly troublesome >is Terminus... Well, each network map has its own key, which would be a good place to start. >5. Overground >Overground Stations are particularly difficult, though, because several >Rules rely on them. The most critical of these is the Emporium. Well, again, if you work with the basic principle, it is probably possibleto tailor the rules to each individual case. On the Paris Metro, for example, you could replace Overground stations with those RER interchanges (probably proportionally similar) >8. Zones >I was thinking about suggesting some kind of mapping from local zones to >LU Zones where there is a zone structure, and of just giving everyone a >Bronze token every Turn where there are no zones, but neither of these is >particularly satisfactory. I don't think I can see any other solution. dave xxx From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Fri Jul 10 04:59:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4661 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1998 11:59:43 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1998 11:59:43 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26895 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:58:23 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA26891 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:58:14 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA18499; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:59:28 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:10:53 +0100 Message-Id: <98071012105286@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Another GSD idea... X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Since the problem with Paul's version of the GSD was that it was too wide, I've trimmed it to 73 characters, which solves that problem, but now I think it looks extremely cluttered and unintelligible (this, of course, may be my fault for the way I've trimmed it). +----------+----------------+-------------+---------------+-------------+ | GAME: 32 | TIME: Wed 1700 | CIRCLE: <-- | BRIDGES: down | Out of Knip | +-STATIONS:+-(W)=Wild---(D)=Damaged-+-----+--------------++-------------+ | Amersham | BkBkSiRe | Angel (D) | | | Chalfont & Latimer | ReBkBkBkBu | Charing Cross | Susp Package | | Ealing Broadway | Bk | Epping | BrBkReBuBuBu | | Mile End (D) | BkBuBuReSiBk | Rotherhithe (W) | | +-Player-(S)=Spoon---+LV+-Bk-Bu-Br-Go-Re-Si-+-Home-Station----(D)=Drone-+ | Willie (S) | 8| 4 0 5 1 3 1 | Chorleywood | | Tim | 4| 3 2 4 2 4 1 | Dagenham Heathway | | Drone | 6| 1 2 2 0 1 1 | | | Graeme (D) |10| 7 1 4 0 6 3 | Tooting Bec | +-POSSESSIONS:+------+--+-------------------+---------------------------+ | Willie | Zone 1 Pass, Hats (ACV) | | Tim | Railcard, Chocolate Bar, Marmalade Sandwich, Hats (TV) | | | Harmonica | | Graeme | Zones 1-3 Pass, Railcard, Hats (AOTV) | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------------+ >and to initial things (like Spoon for players and >Damaged for stations) where we'll get used to seeing them that way soon >enough. I think the initials for Drone Keeper and Spoon are OK ideas, but those for Wild and Damaged stations are not such a good thing (for reasons already expressed by others). >Anyway, have a good one, whatever it is. Mine started off pretty bad >and I've lived with it. Oh dear. You poor thing. Anyway, since I quite clearly have too much time on my hands (actually, I'm skiving -- I've got plenty of work to be gettig on with, but I can't face it right now) I've had a look at the two games currently in progress and produced an alternative version of the GSD for each. ***************************************************************************** The Game 8 versions look comparatively like this: +---------+----------------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+----------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Paulway | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Dunx | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Julie | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Kevan | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +---------+----------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------++--------------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sun 1900 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++--------------------------------------++----------------+ +---------+----------------+-------------+---------------+----------------+ | GAME: 8 | TIME: Sun 2000 | CIRCLE: <-> | BRIDGES: Down | Out of Knip | +=========+==+=============+=====+=======+===============+================+ | Player |LV| Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | Home | +---------+--+-------------------+----------------------------------------+ | dave | 0| 2 0 2 0 2 0 | East Putney | | Grimace | 0| 2 0 2 0 2 0 | Bethnal Green | | Dunx | 0| 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | | Drone | 0| 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | | Julie | 0| 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | | Kevan | 0| 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | +---------+--+-------------------+----------------------------------------+ They're at 75 characters, which should be comfortable for most email browsers, and I think for legibility and comprehensibility there's not much in it, even though the alternative version is significantly more compact -- both still have swaths of white space, but I think that aids legibility and thus is a good thing. *************************************************************************** When the Game is in a 'mature' state, such as Game 4, it looks more like this: +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 6 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 7 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0500 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +---------+----------------+-------------+---------------+-------------+ | GAME: 4 | TIME: Fri 0500 | CIRCLE: <-> | BRIDGES: Down | Out of Knip | +---------+----------------+-------------+---------------+-------------+ | WILD: Gunnersbury, Snaresbrook, Pinner | +===================+==============++===================+==============+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle | BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +============+==+===+==============++==================================+ | Player |LV| Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | Home Station | +------------+----------------------+----------------------------------+ | Dunx | 6| 7 0 4 1 1 2 | Finchley Central | |*Jon | 5| 4 0 3 0 1 0 | Neasden | |*Slakko | 0| 3 0 5 0 4 0 | Dollis Hill | | PaulWay | 3| 3 0 2 0 0 1 | Oval | | Grimace | 7| 3 2 1 1 3 1 | Swiss Cottage | | miKi | 0| 3 1 6 3 2 1 | Vauxhall | |*Drone | 0| 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | +------------+--+-------------------+----------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+---------------------------------------------------------+ The currently employed version is 70 characters wide, the alternative version 72 -- the bare minimum needed to get all the necessary info into the top line (unless you remove the game number, which is, after all, superfluous) Again, I don't really think there's much in it, legibility wise (though Graeme has already disagreed with that, which is fair enough). The alternative is 29 lines long compared to the original's 35, so admittedly not much in it that way either. Ultimately, there are two significant factors of the new design which I would like to see incorporated into the GSD format, even if nothing else is: 1. putting the LV and token count next to the players' names, and the list of home stations to the right (whether or not the more compact version of the token table is adopted, I feel this would be an improvement) 2. altering the game state information (time, bridges, circle, etc) to something like the suggested new format, i.e. on one line, rather than in boxes -- obviously this is something that has been mooted previously (so really I'm just voicing my agreement rather than suggesting anything original) though nothing seems to have been done 'officially' to adopt the idea. So, if anyone has thoughts on those two points.....? dave From Graeme Jefferis Fri Jul 10 07:58:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2899 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1998 14:58:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1998 14:58:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03227 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:56:21 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA03221 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:56:13 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yueap-0001rd-00; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:56:11 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GQNKP1M>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:58:29 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Another GSD idea... Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:58:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BDAC13.324245C0" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDAC13.324245C0 Content-Type: text/plain >The currently employed version is 70 characters wide, the alternative version >72 -- the bare minimum needed to get all the necessary info into the top line >(unless you remove the game number, which is, after all, superfluous) > >Again, I don't really think there's much in it, legibility wise (though Graeme >has already disagreed with that, which is fair enough). The alternative is 29 >lines long compared to the original's 35, so admittedly not much in it that way >either. I've actually undergone a change of heart here, having seen how it works on the Game 4 sample. Only things I do dislike are the 'equals' bars, which I think work better as single-hyphen bars; I have tried this but for the sake of brevity won't include it here. Having seen Paul's 'condensed' version, I think I prefer this 'compacted' one. Do we really need to hack the table up quite so much, though? Could we possibly keep the main part (Player detail and home stations) and compact the other state boxes as demonstrated on the new version? I think, all in all, I'd prefer that. And, I've just tried it; I'll file attach it rather than have it torn up going through the letterbox. It measures a respectable 30x71 characters, and has sacrificed the Game number to reduce the top line width. There's nothing vaguely original in it, but here you are anyway... -Graeme. > <> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDAC13.324245C0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="gsdmix.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="gsdmix.txt" +--------------------+---------------+-----------------+-------------+ | TIME: Fri 0500 | CIRCLE: <-> | BRIDGES: Down | Out of Knip | +--------------------+---------------+-----------------+-------------+ | WILD: Gunnersbury, Snaresbrook, Pinner | +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 6 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 7 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+-----+--------------++---+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | +------------+-----+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDAC13.324245C0-- From Fri Jul 10 12:09:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12940 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Jul 1998 19:09:57 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 1998 19:09:57 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16962 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:07:20 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16954 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:07:02 +0100 Received: from sprout (pompey-mod101.interalpha.net [195.26.225.129]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA04370 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:08:41 +0100 Message-Id: <199807101908.UAA04370@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 20:05:33 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 6 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 4 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0600 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || | | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) { Comment: LV-1 for sugar deficiency, in addition to [LV-2], making [LV-3]. +1 Black, same line. Package housed in the table. Time nudged. } From Richard Brockie Sat Jul 11 02:45:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22933 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jul 1998 09:45:28 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1998 09:45:28 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24319 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:44:17 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [192.108.120.168]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24315 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:44:03 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:43:58 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:43:55 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 6 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 4 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 3 | 3 | 2 | 7 | 0 | 3 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0600 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || | | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (EL) [Opening MC] [Straddling to Mornington Crescent (NT)] { Comment: +1 Black for same line, +1 Red for passing through two interchanges, +1 Blue for playing interchange with 4 lines, +1 Bronze for zone pass, -3 Gold to open MC, Straddle route: Barbican (EL) -> Farringdon (EL) -> King's Cross St. Pancras (EL, NT) -> Euston (NT) -> Mornington Crescent (NT) -1 Black for changing lines during the straddle. } From Elusive Sat Jul 11 13:23:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1991 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jul 1998 20:23:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1998 20:23:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA22541 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:21:43 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22537 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:21:37 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p42.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.42]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA25392 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:21:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:21:34 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807112021.VAA25392@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Elusive Subject: MN: Uh, hi. Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just though I'd drop a quick note to introduce myself and say hello to you all, so here goes. I'm Julie, pleasure to meet you all. Oh, and hello. Looking forward to playing, Julie From Sat Jul 11 15:22:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 130 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jul 1998 22:22:41 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1998 22:22:41 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA28099 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:21:35 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28094 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:21:23 +0100 Received: from sprout (noodle@p... [195.26.225.134]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id XAA00397 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:23:22 +0100 Message-Id: <199807112223.XAA00397@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:22:53 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ > | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | > | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | > | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | > | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | > | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | > | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | > | Charing Cross | Susp Package || | | > +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ > miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) > [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] > miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (EL) [Opening MC] > [Straddling to Mornington Crescent (NT)] Bzzt. Straddling as you intend to requires token stacks on either Barbican or Moorgate, and they're not there. (Had me worried though.) Also, the stations you straddle through with East London line codes really ought to be Hammersmith & City ones. -Graeme. ---[ Rule 1.7.6 - Straddling Nancy ]------------------------------------ There are two forms of Straddle, both requiring the proximity of a Token Stack: - a standing Straddle requires that the Player's Move leave em at the same location as a Token Stack. - a running Straddle requires that the Player's Move leave em adjacent to a Token Stack, in the Line Direction of eir last Move Segment. The Straddle may be for a number of stations no greater than the size of the Token Stack (the count of Stations being made from the Stack itself), and is not considered to pass through any of the intervening Stations. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ nb - is anyone unhappy with this bit of wording? >a running Straddle requires that the Player's Move leave em adjacent >to a Token Stack, in the Line Direction of eir last Move Segment. Not that it's wrong; it just seems easily misinterpretable. 'adjacent in the Line Direction' could be taken to mean 'token stack is in front of the player' as well as it could 'behind the player'. I'll leave it for now. From Sat Jul 11 15:27:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2475 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jul 1998 22:27:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1998 22:27:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA28228 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:26:02 +0100 Received: from post.interalpha.net (post.interalpha.co.uk [195.26.224.14]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28208 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:25:55 +0100 Received: from sprout (noodle@p... [195.26.225.136]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with ESMTP id XAA00450 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:27:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199807112227.XAA00450@p...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Uh, hi. Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:27:29 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > I'm Julie, pleasure to meet you all. > Oh, and hello. Excellent. I'm Graeme, currently playing as Grimace. I'm a student twixt studenting: having withdrawn from a music course, I shall be heading to a Software Engineering course in September, at De Montfort Uni of all places. I wish you the best of luck with the game! -Graeme. From Sun Jul 12 16:19:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: RE: Re: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:17:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+------------------------- ----+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+ ----+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Paulway | Latimer Road | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Dunx | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Julie | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | | Kevan | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +---------+------------------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+ ----+ +---------------++----------------------------------------++------------ ----+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sun 2000 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++----------------------------------------++------------ ----+ | PaulWay | Zone 2 Card | +---------------+------------------------------------------------------- ----+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] {Comments: -2 Br: Zone 2 card Game time advanced. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Sun Jul 12 17:46:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7884 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 00:46:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 00:46:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA03947 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:44:53 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA03943 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:44:45 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id KAA09235; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:44:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma009168; Mon, 13 Jul 98 10:44:29 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:44:28 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01AA@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Uh, hi. Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:44:22 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Sunday, July 12, 1998 6:22 AM, Elusive [SMTP:elusive@i...] wrote: > Looking forward to playing, Good to hear. I'm sure everyone here will offer their support in learning the rules, which, like most Nomics, are not quite as straightforward as one would hope :-) But we like it. Welcome! Have fun, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Sun Jul 12 18:11:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:09:53 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ > | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | > | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | > +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ > | dave | East Putney | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | > | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | > | Paulway | Latimer Road | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | > | Dunx | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | > | Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | > | Julie | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | > | Kevan | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | > +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ > +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ > | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sun2000 | > +---------------+| |+----------------+ > +---------------+| |+----------------+ > | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | > +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ > | PaulWay | Zone 2 Card | > +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ > > dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) > Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) > PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] > {Comments: > -2 Br: Zone 2 card > Game time advanced. Sorry about the formatting of that last one - we'll try this way. > } > > Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer > _____________________________________________________________________ > SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and > reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. > If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Mon Jul 13 10:36:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21247 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 08:47:16 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 08:47:16 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25875 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:46:10 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25853 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:45:59 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27226 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:45:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 08:45:56 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA02916; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:45:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199807130845.JAA02916@uks447> Date: 13 Jul 98 09:37:51 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 13-Jul-98 02:09 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Paulway | Latimer Road | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Kevan | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sun2200 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 2 Card | +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) { Comment: Advancing Game Time twice, since Grimace neglected to. Marking Drone Inactive since it is until someone picks up the Drone Stick. Er, that's it. Over to you, Julie. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Mon Jul 13 11:13:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11257 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 13:04:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 13:04:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06128 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:03:47 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06121 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:03:39 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:03:24 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:03:19 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic Subject: Re: MN: Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. In-Reply-To: <199807112223.XAA00397@p...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Graeme Jefferis wrote: > > +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ > > | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | > > | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | > > | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | > > | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | > > | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | > > | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | > > | Charing Cross | Susp Package || | | > > +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ > > miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) > > [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] > > miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (EL) [Opening MC] > > [Straddling to Mornington Crescent (NT)] > > Bzzt. > > Straddling as you intend to requires token stacks on either Barbican > or Moorgate, and they're not there. (Had me worried though.) > > Also, the stations you straddle through with East London line codes > really ought to be Hammersmith & City ones. Tsk, how careless - I was too busy interpreting Straddling Nancy. > ---[ Rule 1.7.6 - Straddling Nancy ]------------------------------------ > > There are two forms of Straddle, both requiring the proximity of a Token > Stack: > - a standing Straddle requires that the Player's Move leave em at the > same location as a Token Stack. > - a running Straddle requires that the Player's Move leave em adjacent > to a Token Stack, in the Line Direction of eir last Move Segment. I interpret this to mean that at the end of my Player Move which includes movement of my token from Whitechapel to Moorgate, my piece should be left adjacent to a token stack. This I have done. The size of the token stack is 5 which allows me to reach MC from Moorgate. I believe we need adjudication on the matter. --- miKi From Richard Brockie Mon Jul 13 11:14:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11761 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 13:09:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 13:09:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06492 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:08:53 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06487 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:08:48 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:08:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:08:16 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic Subject: Re: MN: Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Richard Brockie wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Graeme Jefferis wrote: > > > > +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ > > > | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | > > > | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | > > > | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | > > > | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | > > > | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | > > > | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | > > > | Charing Cross | Susp Package || | | > > > +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ > > > miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) > > > [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] > > > miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (EL) [Opening MC] > > > [Straddling to Mornington Crescent (NT)] > > > > Bzzt. > > > > Straddling as you intend to requires token stacks on either Barbican > > or Moorgate, and they're not there. (Had me worried though.) > > > > Also, the stations you straddle through with East London line codes > > really ought to be Hammersmith & City ones. > > Tsk, how careless - I was too busy interpreting Straddling Nancy. > > > ---[ Rule 1.7.6 - Straddling Nancy ]------------------------------------ > > > > There are two forms of Straddle, both requiring the proximity of a Token > > Stack: > > - a standing Straddle requires that the Player's Move leave em at the > > same location as a Token Stack. > > - a running Straddle requires that the Player's Move leave em adjacent > > to a Token Stack, in the Line Direction of eir last Move Segment. > > I interpret this to mean that at the end of my Player Move which includes > movement of my token from Whitechapel to Moorgate, my piece should be left > adjacent to a token stack. This I have done. The size of the token stack > is 5 which allows me to reach MC from Moorgate. > > I believe we need adjudication on the matter. Aargh! This should read: I interpret this to mean that at the end of my Player Move which includes the Straddle, as opposed to my Piece Move which is the movement of my token from Whitechapel to Moorgate, my piece should be left adjacent to a token stack. This I have done. The size of the token stack is 5 which allows me to reach MC from Moorgate. We still need adjudication, --- miKi From Graeme Jefferis Mon Jul 13 11:16:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12970 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 13:23:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 13:23:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07065 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:23:00 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA07062 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:22:55 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yviZB-0001Tm-00; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:22:54 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GQNKPGS>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:25:48 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:25:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I interpret this to mean that at the end of my Player Move which >includes the Straddle, as opposed to my Piece Move which is >the movement of my token from Whitechapel to Moorgate, my >piece should be left adjacent to a token stack. This I have done. >The size of the token stack is 5 which allows me to reach MC >from Moorgate. Mm. I see how you're working it, but it seems counter-intuitive to me - I've visualised it almost as 'jumping off' the token stack at the end of your piece move, the size of the stack determining how far you can jump. We've seen straddles before, though - how were they played then? >We still need adjudication, Indeed we do. -Graeme. From Kevan Davis Mon Jul 13 11:19:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14096 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 13:36:03 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 13:36:03 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07578 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:35:10 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07568 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:35:04 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p15.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.15]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA10825 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:35:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:35:00 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807131335.OAA10825@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >We still need adjudication, Going by the book on this one, I can't assign a Referee until the original Buzzer (Grimace) has said whether e agrees with your argument or not. Seems like a fair win to me, anyway, semantic quibbles aside. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Many an ancient lord's last words had been, 'You can't kill me because I've got magic aaargh.'" -- Terry Pratchett, "Interesting Times" From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Mon Jul 13 11:19:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14107 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 13:36:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 13:36:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07603 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:35:17 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA07572 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:35:06 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA04972; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:36:28 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:33:57 +0100 Message-Id: <98071314335751@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I interpret this to mean that at the end of my Player Move which includes >the Straddle, as opposed to my Piece Move which is the movement of my >token from Whitechapel to Moorgate, my piece should be left adjacent to a >token stack. This I have done. The size of the token stack is 5 which >allows me to reach MC from Moorgate. > >We still need adjudication, I also read it this way until I tried to buzz Dunx (in Game 3?) for not being on/adjacent to a Token Stack after performing a Straddle. I think the wording is ambiguous enough to claim this is a valid interpretation of the rule, but despite the ambiguity I feel that the context shows it is clearly not the intended meaning, and that is probably the more important factor. That's my opinion, anyway. dave From Kevan Davis Mon Jul 13 11:20:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14402 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 13:39:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 13:39:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07900 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:38:30 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07897 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:38:21 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p28.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.28]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11228 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:38:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:38:19 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807131338.OAA11228@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: RE: MN: Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I really should check my mail before sending the stuff I've written whilst offline. Pft. >>We still need adjudication, > >Indeed we do. Fair enough. [spins the bottle] The Referee for this Buzz shall be dave. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Girl afraid; where do his intentions lay? Or does he even have any?" -- The Smiths, "Girl Afraid" From Mon Jul 13 11:22:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15393 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 13:49:59 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 13:49:59 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08345 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:49:14 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08342 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:49:08 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA04520 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:49:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 13:49:06 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA09940; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:49:05 +0100 Message-Id: <199807131349.OAA09940@uks447> Date: 13 Jul 98 14:43:46 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 13-Jul-98 14:08 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) If I may interject, I think we're dealing with relict wording here. Grimace is interpreting the Straddle rule in pretty much the way I intended (sorry, I'm using rather dubious special insight as the author), that is that token stack proximity is to be measured from the end of the Piece Move (his explanation based on 'jumping off' is exactly how I had visualised it, in fact). miKi is interpreting the Straddle rule in light of the current definition of Player Move so that e is measuring token stack proximity from the Piece's position after the Straddle. Effectively, e's Straddling *to* a stack rather than *from* it. Fundamentally, this is all to do with changes in meaning - when I wrote Straddling Nancy, Player Move was what is now Piece Move. Of course now Player Move includes Actions. Unfortunately (and I shall raise my hands and say 'mea culpa' here) the Straddling rule has not been kept up to date with this change in meaning. Thus whilst I would argue against the validity of the Straddle on grounds of intent (ie what miKi's done isn't what I meant at *all*), I think e's performed a valid feat of semantic interpretation based on what the rule in the current context. So I think it's probably a valid win, even though I disagree violently with it. Congratulations. Probably. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Mon Jul 13 11:25:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16350 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 13:59:25 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 13:59:25 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08657 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:58:40 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08605 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:58:34 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA07572; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:59:57 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:55:03 +0100 Message-Id: <98071314550328@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Fair enough. [spins the bottle] The Referee for this Buzz shall be dave. Well, I'm tempted to give it to miKi for manipulating a flawed rule to eir benefit in true nomic style but on the other hand the precedent has already been set with regard to interpreting the Straddle Rule, so I have no option but to uphold the Buzz. I think perhaps we could do with an archive of judgments, so that any repeated queries over interpretation can be solved at a stroke. dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Mon Jul 13 11:26:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16852 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 14:04:25 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 14:04:25 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09234 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:03:33 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09225 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:03:25 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA05549; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:04:48 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:05:58 +0100 Message-Id: <98071315055887@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Congratulations. Probably. Sorry if I'm merely postponing an inevitable result and prolonging the agony of Game 4, but I stand by my judgment. dave From Mon Jul 13 11:28:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17729 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 14:13:03 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 14:13:03 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09686 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:12:18 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09683 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:12:14 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA07761 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:12:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 14:12:13 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA12628; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:12:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199807131412.PAA12628@uks447> Date: 13 Jul 98 15:10:37 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 13-Jul-98 15:05 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) dave wrote: >I wrote: >>Congratulations. Probably. I should apologise for that bit of mis-timed commentary on my part. Kevan's message nominating you as Judge on this one arrived a moment after I sent off my own thoughts on teh matter. >Sorry if I'm merely postponing an inevitable result and prolonging the >agony of Game 4, but I stand by my judgment. So you should, sir. I had forgotten about the precedent, in all honesty. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Mon Jul 13 11:28:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17838 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 14:14:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 14:14:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09708 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:13:14 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09704 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:13:07 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:12:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:12:57 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Point of Order - Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. In-Reply-To: <98071314550328@w...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, L'homme a tete de choux wrote: > >Fair enough. [spins the bottle] The Referee for this Buzz shall be dave. > > Well, I'm tempted to give it to miKi for manipulating a flawed rule to eir > benefit in true nomic style but on the other hand the precedent has already > been set with regard to interpreting the Straddle Rule, so I have no option but > to uphold the Buzz. > > I think perhaps we could do with an archive of judgments, so that any repeated > queries over interpretation can be solved at a stroke. I was not aware that such a test of the rule has already been made. I think that the speaker should have executive powers to bring the wording of a disputed rule into line with the judge's ruling in such a case. The evolution in definition of the Player's and Piece's move have caused the altering of the definition of a Straddle. As I see it, we should interpret the rules as they are, not as someone remembers them to be. I thought that was the whole idea of having them in a central place with adendments taking effect at a specified time? I raise a point of order to the effect that the Judge's ruling is invalid. It should be based on interpretation of the rules, as currently written. --- miKi From Graeme Jefferis Mon Jul 13 11:30:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18386 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 14:19:55 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 14:19:55 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09859 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:18:48 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09856 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:18:45 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yvjRD-0000ec-00; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:18:44 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GQNKPG7>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:01:09 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:01:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Thus whilst I would argue against the validity of the >Straddle on grounds of intent (ie what miKi's done isn't >what I meant at *all*), I think e's performed a valid feat >of semantic interpretation based on what the rule in the >current context. So I think it's probably a valid win, even >though I disagree violently with it. Yes. Makes sense, really. After all, this is a Nomic as opposed to an IMCS-regulated game; changes of rule meaning mid-game are, of course, to be expected. This just wasn't one I'd picked up on. -Graeme. From Richard Brockie Mon Jul 13 11:50:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26848 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 15:44:29 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 15:44:29 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14185 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:43:42 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14178 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:43:37 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:43:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:43:30 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Point of Order - Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. In-Reply-To: <199807131527.QAA18790@c...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > I think dave's point was that we've had Straddles occuring in Games > before, and in every case they've been *from* a Token Stack. The > fact that nobody's ever Buzzed and said "Oi, look, they should be > *to* a Token Stack" suggests that we've all accepted the fact that > Straddles go *from* Token Stacks. It is true that all straddles have been made from token stacks. I myself have never really used Straddles, and I don't think that one has been used in a game in which I was participating. So, I came at the rule cold and interpreted it afresh even though I have been around a while... > Well, going by the fact that we've always Straddled *from* Token > Stacks, and that the Straddling Rule uses the phrase "(the count > of Stations being made from the Stack itself)" rather than "...to > the Stack itself)", I find the Judge's ruling valid. Fine. Lets have some mechanism in place for rulings like this to have an immediate and clarifying effect on the rules. Er, I'll work on a proposal to remedy this. --- miKi From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Mon Jul 13 11:35:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20994 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 14:44:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 14:44:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11108 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:43:49 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA11105 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:43:45 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA13078; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:45:08 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:43:53 +0100 Message-Id: <98071315435391@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Point of Order - Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I raise a point of order to the effect that the Judge's ruling is invalid. >It should be based on interpretation of the rules, as currently written. I dispute the claim that the meaning of the Rule has changed, and the inference that my judgment is based on something other than the current wording of the relevant rule. I'd like to raise a Point of Order to invalidate miKi's Point of Order. dave From Kevan Davis Mon Jul 13 11:46:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25449 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 15:29:24 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 15:29:24 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13357 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:27:49 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13351 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:27:43 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p23.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.23]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18790 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:27:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:27:39 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807131527.QAA18790@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Point of Order - Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> I think perhaps we could do with an archive of judgments, so that any repeated >> queries over interpretation can be solved at a stroke. > >I was not aware that such a test of the rule has already been made. I >think that the speaker should have executive powers to bring the wording >of a disputed rule into line with the judge's ruling in such a case. I think dave's point was that we've had Straddles occuring in Games before, and in every case they've been *from* a Token Stack. The fact that nobody's ever Buzzed and said "Oi, look, they should be *to* a Token Stack" suggests that we've all accepted the fact that Straddles go *from* Token Stacks. Because nobody noticed that various amendments rendered the actual wording of the Straddle Rule arguably ambiguous, that everyone read it from the point of view of knowing that Straddles go *from* Stacks, the point was never raised. >The evolution in definition of the Player's and Piece's move have caused >the altering of the definition of a Straddle. As I see it, we should >interpret the rules as they are, not as someone remembers them to be. I >thought that was the whole idea of having them in a central place with >adendments taking effect at a specified time? We should interpret the Rules as most Players consider them to be. If through careless amendment one of the Rules doesn't mean what it used to, I think that the widely-accepted meaning should take precedence over the written one. Another example of Mornomic being a somewhat fuzzy Nomic, really; that if someone pulls off an impressive scam and wins a Game, they'll get glared at for being unsporting, rather than receiving the applause they would in another Nomic. If a loophole is spotted, I think we all expect the spotter to fix it rather than exploit it; Mornomic is more about producing a playable game than winning. I think a fair example of this is the old Gordon Brown's Fair Fare imbroglio - that a Rule said "a Player may move to MC if...", but everyone bar myself (including its proposer) read it as "a Player may *only* move to MC if..." - my conceding the point and playing Mornington Crescent the way the majority were playing it seems to me to be the correct way to go on these things. >I raise a point of order to the effect that the Judge's ruling is invalid. >It should be based on interpretation of the rules, as currently written. Well, going by the fact that we've always Straddled *from* Token Stacks, and that the Straddling Rule uses the phrase "(the count of Stations being made from the Stack itself)" rather than "...to the Stack itself)", I find the Judge's ruling valid. And I'll leave it to debate, really. If everyone else stands up and says "Well, I've always been Straddling to Stacks, myself.", we'll reconsider. The mere views of an arbitrary Player who happens to be wearing a Speaker hat, anyway - by all means take it to an Emergency Proposal if you'd prefer another's view. (Thinking about it, I'm tempted to amend Eprops so that they can be Voted on by anyone who cares to Vote within the next 24 hours - letting a single person decide such an important matter seems rather unfair.) We could use an Eprop on it anyway, just to tidy it up, if anyone would care to submit one... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Too many psychopaths, not enough cycle paths." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Children of Apocalyptic Techstep" From Mon Jul 13 11:49:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26386 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 15:40:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 15:40:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13870 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:39:29 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13866 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:39:23 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA18741 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:39:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 15:39:21 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA25623; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:39:19 +0100 Message-Id: <199807131539.QAA25623@uks447> Date: 13 Jul 98 16:36:26 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Point of Order - Re: Game 4 Buzz on miKi. X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 13-Jul-98 16:27 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >We >could use an Eprop on it anyway, just to tidy it up, if anyone >would care to submit one... On its way. As it happens, this whole affair has prompted me to trawl through the ruleset in looking for other such inconsistencies. Granted that this is something I've had down on my list of things to do for some Weeks, but for some reason up until this point I hadn't been able to come up with a suitable way of attacking the issue. Expect a large Proposal shortly. Ah, the wonders of grep... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Elusive Mon Jul 13 12:38:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31471 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 18:21:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 18:21:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23088 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:20:15 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23057 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:19:59 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p06.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.6]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA01024 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:19:55 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:19:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807131819.TAA01024@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Elusive Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Paulway | Latimer Road | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | | Kevan | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sun 2300 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 2 Card | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A) | +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] { Comment: Advanced Game Time -2 Bronze for a Zone 3 Pass +1 Bronze for a Groovy Zone 3 move Collected a nifty little hat. So far so good, I think. } From Kevan Davis Mon Jul 13 12:57:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16381 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Jul 1998 19:13:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 19:13:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA25826 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:12:08 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25814 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:11:56 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p15.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.15]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04653 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:11:52 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:11:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807131911.UAA04653@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Emergency Proposal 025 - Grimace to Judge Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emergency Proposal 025 - Piece Keeper [Amendment] { Comment: Seek and destroy on ambiguity between Player Move and Piece Move in Straddling. Any other ambiguities are left in place... } Amend Rule 1.7.6 (Straddling Nancy) as follows - Make its first paragraph read thus: "There shall be an Action of Straddling which may be performed at the end of a Player's Move, after eir Piece Move and all other Actions, in order to continue on to another Station." { Comment: note change from "end of Player's Turn" to "end of Player's Move". } Make its second paragraph read thus: "The Straddling Action shall take the form [Straddling To ] ... after which the Player's Piece will be at the Station named in the Action." Make its third paragraph and the subsequent list read thus: "There are two forms of Straddle, both requiring the proximity of a Token Stack to the Player's Piece after the Piece Move: - a standing Straddle requires that the Piece Move leave it at the same location as a Token Stack. - a running Straddle requires that the Piece Move leave it adjacent to a Token Stack, in the Line Direction of eir last Move Segment." { Comment: I think it's fair to say that there are still some ambiguities in the Rule. These have been left for two reasons: firstly, as the original author, I'm pretty much blind to them; secondly, and EP should be tightly focussed and if this became a a more general ambiguity hunt then it would miss the point. Still some scope for an CAMREC Cleanup Proposal, though. } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raised by Dunx, 13/07/98 Grimace has been selected to Judge this Proposal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Mon Jul 13 14:47:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Emergency Proposal 025 - Piece Keeper [Amendment] I judge 'FOR' this Emergency Proposal, although I think Straddling Nancy still needs additional clearing up. -Graeme. From Mon Jul 13 14:48:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] > Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] > Collected a nifty little hat. And I just wish I'd had the presence of mind to do the same. No matter... -Graeme. From Kevan Davis Mon Jul 13 12:57:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Paulway | Latimer Road | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 0000 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 2 Card | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit. -2 Bronze for the Pass +1 Bronze for a Zone 3 Move } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "You have destroyed your backup files." "No I didn't, you did, you bastard!" -- Jeremy Hardy on computer error messages From Richard Brockie Tue Jul 14 08:28:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29936 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1998 15:28:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1998 15:28:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19906 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:27:05 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19898 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:26:50 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:26:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:26:43 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 6 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 4 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 3 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0700 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | Out of Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || | | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) { Comment: -1 Black for changing line, +1 Blue for 4 line interchange, +1 Bronze for zone pass, +1 Red for passing through 2 interchanges, Time advanced. } From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Tue Jul 14 13:04:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22640 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1998 20:04:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1998 20:04:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA01369 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:02:23 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01366 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:02:19 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA24440; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:03:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:25:35 +0100 Message-Id: <98071410253541@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) first this: > PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] now this: > Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] I feel swindled. In my absence it appears that the condition of 'no actions on first moves' has been 'lost'. Was this deliberate? I don't object in principle, I just wish I had known. Pah! dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Tue Jul 14 13:11:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Paulway | Latimer Road | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 0500 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] {Comment: Time, like an ever rolling stream, bears all its sons away... +1 Hat -2 Bronze for the pass +1 Bronze for being in the right zone at the right time +1 Black for staying District-bound} From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 14 13:34:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 12: Voting Results for Week 11 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 429 Shunted Down 6 4 1 - Amends 1.10.1 430 The Stork Cometh 5 5 1 - Enacts 1.4.21, 1.7.32 [a] Amends 1.7.16 431 Piece of Cake 6 5 - - Amends 1.5.0/1 432 Calling Off the Subs 3 5 3 - Fails 433 No Wonder We're Lost 6 5 - - Amends 1.17.1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Cigars all round... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 429 (Dunx) AGA FOR FOR - - FOR FOR FOR FOR - - 430 (dave) - FOR FOR - - AGA FOR FOR FOR - - 431 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - FOR - FOR FOR - - 432 (Kevan) AGA AGA AGA - - FOR - FOR FOR - - 433 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - FOR - FOR FOR - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 10 38 6 0 29 3 45 0 0 1 0 Halved: 5 19 3 1 22 0 0 FOR Votes: +5 +6 +0 +0 +15 +0 +0 AGA Votes: -1 -1 -0 -0 -3 -0 -0 Decisiveness: +3 +3 +3 I I +3 +3 +3 +3 I I Voting/Own: -0 -3 -0 n n -0 -0 -0 -0 n n a a a a Passed EPs: +0 +5 +0 c c +0 +5 +0 +0 c c Failed EPs: -3 -0 -0 t t -0 -0 -0 -0 t t Dead Wood: +0 +0 +0 i i +0 +0 +0 +0 i i Finger/Pulse: +0 +5 +5 v v +0 +5 +0 +0 v v e e e e Award Ceremony: +4 +3 +0 +0 +3 +0 +0 [b] Final Kudos: 13 37 11 0 29 4 50 3 3 1 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 1 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 2 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - Dunx (Shunted Down) Mrs Trellis Award - dave (The Stork Cometh) For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 14 13:34:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Twelve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 434 - Radioactivity [other, multiple] {Comment: this is another one of those lengthy multiple proposals which started off as a simple idea, but ended up needing significant amendments to several rules in order to be sound. The 'simple' idea is this: allow players to be Voting or Non-Voting. I think there is a need for this because recently there seem to be proposals getting through with only one or two votes FOR and a ludicrous number of Passes, which seems silly. I know this has been proposed and failed before but the situation is getting daft. Anyway, I've taken this basic idea and developed it to make a vote of Pass distinct from an abstention, which in turn means the definition of Quorum can be altered (so, if you can't decide whether to vote FOR or AGAINST, but don't want to affect quorum, you can make a PASS vote, and your presence will be registered; abstentions by Inactive and 'Non-voting' players won't be counted in the reckoning, only valid votes and abstentions by 'Voting' Players). I've also included a definition of 'The Speaker' (strange that this hasn't been done before) and removed all the 'or eir nominee' bits, which should have been done long ago.} 1. Play the Game [amendment] Rename Rule 0.3.1 to 'Players and Player States' and amend it to read as follows: Any person may apply to join Mornington Nomic by sending an email request to the current Speaker (see Rule 0.3.2) stating that they wish to join the game, and giving a one-word Name by which they wish to be known. The Speaker will then determine whether the application is successful. Any successful applicant becomes a Player. The Speaker's decision is final in this matter. There are three Player States: Active, Non-Voting and Inactive. A new Player's Player State shall be Active, unless e specifies otherwise. A Player may change eir Player State at any time by sending a message to the list announcing the change, which will take effect immediately. The definitions of Player States are as follows: * Active: takes part in Games and votes on Proposals. * Non-voting: takes part in Games, but does not vote on Proposals. * Inactive: does not take part in Games or vote on Proposals. A Player may, at any time, post a message to the mailing list announcing a desire to change the Name e uses in Mornington Nomic. This change shall take effect at the end of the current Game Week or after three days, whichever is later, provided that no other Player objects to the change of Name before then. All Players must always abide by all the Rules. {Comment: note the clause in the penultimate paragraph to discourage Players from changing their name on a Tuesday morning -- not that I have anything against anyone doing so, but it would be against the spirit of the rule.} 2. The Speaker [enactment] {Comment: I'm working on the assumption that if enacted this will become 0.3.2 (see above)} One Player shall hold the office of Speaker. The Speaker's role is to maintain the ruleset, distribute proposals and voting results, and perform various other functions as specified in the rules. If the Speaker is unable, unwilling, or prevented by a rule, from fulfilling any of eir tasks, e may desginate a Deputy to take responsibility for those tasks (either temporarily or permanently). Any other Player who is willing and able is a valid candidate for the role of Deputy Speaker. Throughout the Ruleset, the term 'Speaker' shall be read as meaning the Speaker or Deputy Speaker, as appropriate. {Comment: perhaps the current Speaker's name and email address should be listed here for the convenience of newcomers?} 3. Inactivity [enactment] When a Player's Player State changes to Inactive, an asterisk is marked next to eir name in the Game State Document of any Games in which e is currently taking part and eir turn is skipped until e changes eir state back to Active or Non-voting. 4. Fight for the Right [amendment] Amend Rule 0.5.2 (How to Vote) to read as follows. All Active Players may cast Votes on current Proposals by sending eir valid Votes in an email to the Speaker with a subject line of 'MN: Votes'. If it does not have this subject line, Votes may be considered invalid. Valid Votes are FOR, AGAINST or PASS. Any other Vote is invalid. No Votes may be revealed by the Speaker before the end of the Nomic Week in which they are cast. Each Voter has exactly one Vote per Proposal. If a Player attempts to vote for a single Proposal more than once, only the latest valid vote shall be counted. Any votes cast by Inactive and Non-voting Players are invalid. {Comment: the 'latest vote' bit allows for Voters changing eir mind} 5. Oliver's Twist [amendment] Rename Rule 0.5.3 (Rule Adoption) to 'Proposal Adoption' and amend it to read as follows: In order for a Proposal to be adopted, it must achieve Quorum and receive more valid FOR votes than AGAINST. 6. Your Presence is Required [amendment] Amend Rule 0.5.4 (Quorum) to read as follows: Any Active Player who does not submit a valid Vote shall be deemed to have abstained. If the total number of abstentions exceeds the total number of valid votes (FOR, AGAINST or PASS), the Proposal fails to reach Quorum. 7. Dead Wood [repeal] Repeal Rule 0.8.1 (Inactivity) {Comment: now incorporated into the above} 8. Apathy Rules, ho hum! [amendment] Renumber Rule 0.10.2 to 0.3.3 and amend it to read as follows: Each Active Player shall have an Apathy Level, being an integer number between zero and three. This is detailed in the Voting Results Document. For each Week in which an Active Player casts no valid Votes (unless all that Week's Proposals were eir own), eir Apathy Level increases by one. For each Week in which an Active Player casts any valid Votes (or if all that Week's Proposals were eir own), eir Apathy Level decreases by one. If a Player's Apathy Level reaches three, that Player loses all of eir Kudos and becomes Inactive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 435 - Duel [enactment, special ruleset] 1. Dollis Hill at Ten Paces [enactment] Any Player may challenge another Player (provided e is not inactive) to a Duel by means of a public announcement to the mailing list, naming the player e is challenging and giving a reason for eir challenge. The Player being challenged may accept the Duel, forfeit or appeal for Protection. If e fails to respond to the challenge within five days (not including weekends) e is deemed to have automatically forfeit the game. If the challenged Player feels the reasons for the challenge are poor, e may appeal to the Speaker for Protection. If the Speaker grants Protection, the challenge is annulled and the challenging player may never again challenge the same player to a Duel without first making a successful appeal to the Speaker for Protection to be removed. If the Speaker is either the Player challenging or the one being Challenged, e must nominate another Player as deputy to take eir role for the purposes of the Duel. This deputy must be acceptable to both Players and must be willing to take the role. 2. The Referee [enactment] If the challenged Player accepts the Duel, another Player is then nominated to take the role of Referee. Any Player may volunteer eir services for this role, providing e is acceptable to both duellists. The Referee assumes the Speaker's role for the purposes of this game (i.e. decides order of play, etc) and adjudicates on any buzzes. 3. Two's Company [enactment] The maximum number of Players in a Duel is two and there is no Drone. All Rules and sections of Rules relating to the Drone are ignored. 4. Choose Your Weapons [enactment] The Duellists and/or the Referee may suggest any further adaptations to the regular ruleset. Providing these adaptations are acceptable to both parties, they shall be regarded as rules for the purposes of that particular Duel. {Comment: I got the idea for this from the fast and furious games we've seen recently.} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 436 - Burnt alive! [amendment] Remove the phrase "or if eir Move finishes at it," from the second paragraph of Rule 1.9.2 (Escalator Fires). {Comment: stands to reason -- apart from the fact that you shouldn't be hanging around at a station where there is a fire, the rule currently goes against not being allowed to remain *at* a blocked station.} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 437 - Changing Home Stations [Other, Multiple] Action: [Changing Home to ] 30mins duration, post-move action, cost 4 Br, 1 Si, 1 Go. After completing this Action, the Player's Home Station is changed to , where is a legal Home Station (as defined elsewhere), no Piece currently rests on , and is not Wild. { This makes it relatively difficult to perform a Change, but still possible. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 438 - Twiddling [Other, Multiple] Move Rule 1.4.3 (Stubbery) to Section 1.7 (Actions). { Comments: The Rule only defines the Stub Link Action, these days, so doesn't really belong in the Possessions section any more. } Add "Bush", "Elm", "Oak" and "Poplar" to the list of Plant Stations, and "Chapel", "Church" and "Cross" to the list of Holy Stations. { Comments: Just a few intuitive ones that I've occasionally expected to be in the definitions, but which weren't. } Replace the word "Overground" with "British Rail" throughout the Ruleset. { Comments: For too long this has bothered me; the fact that a good few of our "Overground" Stations are below ground in real life, and that a lot of our non-Overground ones are actually situated above ground. Since our use of the term is entirely BR-based rather than having anything to do with altitude, I think it'd be best to use a different term - certainly so when we've got the term "British Rail" sitting around unused, and explained on the Map's Key. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 439 - Stupid Compass Oversight [Other, Multiple] { Comments: This Rule has the Token cost given in the Rule itself and strangely not in the Action list. I'll tweak the wording a little, while I'm here... } 1. True North [Amendment] A Player may perform the post-Move Action of "[ Wormhole to ]", where "" is a compass string ("North", "South", "East" or "West") that appears in the name of eir Piece's current Location as a distinct word, and "" is a Station with a name that contains the "" word as a distinct word. Upon performing this Action, the Player's Piece is moved directly to the cited Station. 2. Wormhole Toll [Amendment] In Rule 1.7.15 (Post-Move Actions), Amend the cost of "[ Wormhole to ]" to 2 Silver Tokens. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 440 - My Mate, Marmalade [Other, Multiple] Reword the Marmalade Sandwich bit of Rule 1.4.16 to:- If a Player performs the Action "[Eating Marmalade Sandwich]", Paddington becomes a Valid Move for the remainder of eir Turn. Add Marmalade Sandwiches to the Special Moves list in Rule 1.5.0 (Valid Moves). { Comments: Rather than Paddington becoming Wild and the Sandwich being destroyed at the end of the Turn. The original wording was struck prior to the "Eating" Action, so this seems like something that could use bringing in line. I'd offer more exciting Proposals, but lack the enthusiasm and time to polish my new ideas enough. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Tue Jul 14 14:05:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4175 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1998 21:05:31 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1998 21:05:31 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA04789 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:04:27 +0100 Received: from relay2.force9.net (relay2.force9.net [195.166.128.25]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA04773 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:04:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199807142104.WAA04773@q...> Received: (qmail 14122 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1998 20:59:32 -0000 Received: from 123.usr02.shef.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.132.251) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 1998 20:59:32 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Year 2, Week 12: Voting Results for Week 11 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:04:00 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M > Finger/Pulse: +0 +5 +5 v v +0 +5 +0 +0 v v It occurs to me that the Speaker has a small advantage when it comes to Finger on the Pulse bonuses...! -Graeme. From Tue Jul 14 14:05:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4236 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1998 21:05:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1998 21:05:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA04792 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:04:30 +0100 Received: from relay2.force9.net (relay2.force9.net [195.166.128.25]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA04778 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:04:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199807142104.WAA04778@q...> Received: (qmail 14125 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1998 20:59:33 -0000 Received: from 123.usr02.shef.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.132.251) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 1998 20:59:33 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:05:33 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 0 0 1 3 0 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 0600 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] { Comment: +1 Overground Hat; -2 Bronze - for the Pass; -1 Black - for changing line; +1 Black - three-line interchange; +1 Red - passed through two interchanges; +1 Gold - smoking cigar. Congratulations, dave! Game time advanced. } From Tue Jul 14 16:57:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20426 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Jul 1998 23:57:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1998 23:57:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA13729 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:55:46 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13725 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:55:37 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA07135; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:55:17 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma007024; Wed, 15 Jul 98 09:55:04 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:55:04 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01B2@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Re: Game 8 Collecting Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:20:22 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tuesday, July 14, 1998 7:48 AM, Graeme wrote: > > > Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] > > Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] > > > Collected a nifty little hat. > > And I just wish I'd had the presence of mind to do the same. > No matter... > > -Graeme. I should have thought of collecting a hat. I should have thought of getting my zone pass _first_, so that I could then claim the Bronze. I'm thinking of putting together a 'hints' corner for newcomers, giving a basic plan for starting out and things to remember, but it'd be out of date as soon as the next Week rolled around. At least I remembered to pick a pass up... BTW, Graeme could have been in line for a Karma deduction for posting a message with 'Game State Document' in the Subject without it being a valid GSD; however, as I'm not even sure that that rule exists anymore, let alone what the punishment was, let's just ignore it. Have fun, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Wed Jul 15 00:15:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20795 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 07:15:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 07:15:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA00471 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:14:52 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00468 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:14:43 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id RAA09527; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:14:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma009486; Wed, 15 Jul 98 17:14:29 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:14:28 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01B6@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:14:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tuesday, July 14, 1998 7:26 PM, kenningd@w... [SMTP:kenningd@w...] wrote: > I just wish I had known. Sorry, Dave. I didn't know there was a convention, or a rule, which said that the first move in a game would have no other actions than the Home. I feel moderately cheated too, out of one bronze. But I look at it this way. There are always little tricks that separate the new players from the old ones - things that become habits, things that make experience really worth something. Which moves to start out with in Chess, knowing how to get the window seats on a plane (if you want them), and knowing how to start a Minnerton's Opening without fearing the possible Strick (which would be impossible due to the low token levels). Remembering to play those actions beforehand is what gives you the edge over those new interlopers (when we get to sit around on the porch and grumble about 'consarned new-chums'... :-) I apologise that my move was unsporting considering your initial position. Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Wed Jul 15 00:16:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21018 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 07:16:11 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 07:16:11 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA00523 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:15:27 +0100 Received: from absolute.foobar.net (absolute.foobar.net [194.164.91.8]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00510 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:15:20 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by absolute.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA07320 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:18:38 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id PAA02261; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:18:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma002212; Wed, 15 Jul 98 15:18:15 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:18:14 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01B4@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:18:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 0 0 1 3 0 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 3 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 0700 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] { Comment: +1 Go - smoking cigar. Congratulations, dave (and wife)! +1 Br - Zone 2 pass. +1 Bl - Same Line Game time advanced. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Kevan Davis Wed Jul 15 02:42:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32252 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 09:42:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 09:42:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07711 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:40:59 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07708 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:40:54 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p09.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.9]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA14398 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:40:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:40:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807150940.KAA14398@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Re: Year 2, Week 12: Voting Results for Week 11 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M >> Finger/Pulse: +0 +5 +5 v v +0 +5 +0 +0 v v > >It occurs to me that the Speaker has a small advantage when it >comes to Finger on the Pulse bonuses...! [shrugs] Yes, I suppose I could throw my true Voting intentions to the wind (going back on any Proposal discussion I might have made on the mailing list) and side with the majority just to get five Kudos, if I really wanted to, since - as you notice - I can Vote after I've read everyone else's Votes. I could even Vote FOR my own Proposals that fail for the want of one Vote (such as my Subs one last Week), if I really wanted to abuse my position. Tish. The reason I occasionally manage to get the Pulse bonus is because I usually submit three Proposals a Week, reducing the number of Proposals that I need to give the "correct" Votes to. And since most Proposals are discussed on the mailing list anyway, it usually ends up with most of us agreeing on whether a Proposal is Good or Bad. By all means Propose to ban the Speaker from getting the Pulse bonus, though, if it makes you feel any better. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Opinionated weather forecasters telling me it's going to be a miserable day. Miserable to who? I quite like a bit of drizzle, so stick to the facts." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "A Country Practice" From Wed Jul 15 03:40:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 14-Jul-98 16:26 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 7 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 4 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0800 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || | | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] { Comment: Apologies for the delay. I was waiting to see whether Shunted Down would pass or not. Anyway - sorry, miKi. Nothing personal, you understand. [10 mins] (LV adjustment) [10 mins] (Piece Move) -1 Bk (changing line) [10 mins] -1 Re (Shunt) +1 Go (stolen from miKi) +1 Re (passing through 2 interchanges) +1 Bu (4 line interchange) +1 Br (zone pass) [0 mins] +1 Go (Cigar - although I don't smoke really) [0 mins] -1 Go (Gold to Blue) [0 mins] +4 Bu (ditto) [10 mins] -4 Bu (Knip) Time advanced LVs and tokens adjusted appropriately. Busy, busy. And (at the risk of sounding like a commercial for floor cleaner) it took less time than I thought. Note that I haven't added anybody's Cigars to their luggage racks since people can choose which Game it is to appear in. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Jul 15 03:44:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17175 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 10:44:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 10:44:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10773 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:43:50 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10740 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:43:35 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA04758; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:45:03 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:29:43 +0100 Message-Id: <98071510294339@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Sorry, Dave. I didn't know there was a convention, or a rule, which >said that the first move in a game would have no other actions than the >Home. Well, the previous wording of the relevant rule (reference...) said as much. I think the new wording is an improvement. As far as I can remember, the only point to denying actions on the first move was to stop anyone performing any actions before everyone had eir piece on the board. To be honest, I no longer consider this to be necessary -- there are advantages and disadvantages to going first, and likewise to going last, so it all balances out. >But I look at it this way. There are always little tricks that separate >the new players from the old ones - things that become habits, things >that make experience really worth something. Absolutely right. Experience should count for something, but I wonder if perhaps we ought to introduce a handicapping system? >I apologise that my move was unsporting considering your initial >position. Oh, not at all. I took the trouble to gen up on rules that had changed in my absence, so I should have spotted that minor change. dave From Wed Jul 15 03:48:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19720 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 10:48:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 10:48:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11071 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:46:57 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11063 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:46:43 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA05430 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:46:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 10:46:42 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA23151; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:46:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199807151046.LAA23151@uks447> Date: 15 Jul 98 11:45:38 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 14-Jul-98 16:26 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 6 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 4 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0800 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] { Comment: Quick repost, since I'd buggered up one of the token totals and hadn't stacked any of the token tolls. Apologies for the delay. I was waiting to see whether Shunted Down would pass or not. Anyway - sorry, miKi. Nothing personal, you understand. [10 mins] (LV adjustment) [10 mins] (Piece Move) -1 Bk (changing line) [10 mins] -1 Re (Shunt) +1 Go (stolen from miKi) +1 Re (passing through 2 interchanges) +1 Bu (4 line interchange) +1 Br (zone pass) [0 mins] +1 Go (Cigar - although I don't smoke really) [0 mins] -1 Go (Gold to Blue) [0 mins] +4 Bu (ditto) [10 mins] -4 Bu (Knip) Time advanced LVs and tokens adjusted appropriately. All Tokens paid on East Finchley (except for the Gold, of course) Busy, busy. And (at the risk of sounding like a commercial for floor cleaner) it took less time than I thought. Note that I haven't added anybody's Cigars to their luggage racks since people can choose which Game it is to appear in. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Jul 15 04:00:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31885 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 11:00:16 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 11:00:16 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11604 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:59:02 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11598 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:58:54 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA07085 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:58:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 10:58:52 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA25097; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:58:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199807151058.LAA25097@uks447> Date: 15 Jul 98 11:55:54 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 15-Jul-98 06:18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 0 0 1 3 0 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 3 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 3 | 3 0 2 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 0800 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] { Comment: This one really is a GSD! And not as exciting as it looks, either. +1 Bk (same line) +1 Re (passed through two interchanges) +1 Si (five line interchange) -1 Si (Silver to Bronze) +4 Br (ditto) -4 Br (purchansing Zone Pass) I'm fairly sure it would be illegal to purchase a zone pass and restrospectively apply it to my Piece Move. So I won't. My cigar was smoked in Game 4, but congratulations to dave, wife and child in any case. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Jul 15 04:11:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9806 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 11:11:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 11:11:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA12487 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:10:53 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12483 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:10:49 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA10330; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:12:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:57:14 +0100 Message-Id: <98071511571454@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: self-abuse X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I could even Vote FOR my own Proposals >that fail for the want of one Vote (such as my Subs one last Week), >if I really wanted to abuse my position. What I would like to know is why voting for your own proposal is such a bad thing. I'm sure there is a perfectly good reason, I'm just ignorant of it. Maybe I should propose to abolish that particular Kudos penalty. >Tish. The reason I occasionally manage to get the Pulse bonus is >because I usually submit three Proposals a Week, reducing the number >of Proposals that I need to give the "correct" Votes to. Maybe I'm just being particularly thick today, but I don't quite follow this. Anyway, it doesn't matter, because I believe our Speaker wouldn't stoop so low as to cheat in the manner suggested. >And since >most Proposals are discussed on the mailing list anyway, it usually >ends up with most of us agreeing on whether a Proposal is Good or >Bad. Indeed -- whether or not I agree with the majority opinion, I think I usually have a good idea which way a proposal will go, but that doesn't stop me voting the other way if that's what I believe. >By all means Propose to ban the Speaker from getting the Pulse >bonus, though, if it makes you feel any better. Which way would you vote on that one then? dave From Graeme Jefferis Wed Jul 15 04:46:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32155 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 11:46:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 11:46:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13946 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:45:40 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA13940 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:45:29 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ywPzx-0005vo-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:45:25 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3821PWRG>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:48:10 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Re: Year 2, Week 12: Voting Results for Week 11 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:48:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>It occurs to me that the Speaker has a small advantage when it >>comes to Finger on the Pulse bonuses...! >Tish. The reason I occasionally manage to get the Pulse bonus >is because I usually submit three Proposals a Week, reducing the >number of Proposals that I need to give the "correct" Votes to. As dave points out, this may not strictly be true. However: >By all means Propose to ban the Speaker from getting the Pulse >bonus, though, if it makes you feel any better. No, I'm not intending on doing that; for one thing I'm not really that bothered about Kudos - it's accepted to be arbitrary - and for another I'm not a dedicated enough contributor on the Nomic side of things to notch up a decent score anyway. At any rate, the only reason I pointed this out was that it amused me. -Graeme. From Kevan Davis Wed Jul 15 07:14:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7608 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 14:14:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 14:14:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21942 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:13:07 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21939 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:13:02 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p13.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.13]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02253 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:12:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:12:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807151412.PAA02253@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: self-abuse Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>I could even Vote FOR my own Proposals >>that fail for the want of one Vote (such as my Subs one last Week), >>if I really wanted to abuse my position. > >What I would like to know is why voting for your own proposal is such a bad >thing. I'm sure there is a perfectly good reason, I'm just ignorant of >it. Maybe I should propose to abolish that particular Kudos penalty. It just seems more democratic - that one person puts a Proposal forward and all the other Players decide whether it's a good or bad one. Allowing Players to Vote for eir own Proposals just means that every Proposal gets an extra FOR Vote (except for the rare cases when a Player realises eir Proposal to be broken and Votes AGAINST), and more Proposals get through than perhaps should. I think it was more of an issue when nobody was bothering to Vote much and Proposals were getting through because the Proposers were Voting FOR. Or something like that. >>Tish. The reason I occasionally manage to get the Pulse bonus is >>because I usually submit three Proposals a Week, reducing the number >>of Proposals that I need to give the "correct" Votes to. > >Maybe I'm just being particularly thick today, but I don't quite follow this. You get the Pulse bonus if you Vote the way of the majority on all Proposals bar your own. This past Week, I just had to make the "right" Vote on dave and Dunx's single Proposals - Dunx had to make the "right" Vote for dave's and three of mine, Paul had to do so for dave's, Dunx's and mine. I lack the enthusiasm to work out probabilities, but a person who has to get two Votes tallying is more likely to do so than someone requiring five. >Anyway, it doesn't matter, because I believe our Speaker wouldn't stoop so low >as to cheat in the manner suggested. Indeed not. There's really no point in me going against my Voting principles just to get an effective 2.5 Kudos bonus each Week. >Indeed -- whether or not I agree with the majority opinion, I think I usually >have a good idea which way a proposal will go, but that doesn't stop me voting >the other way if that's what I believe. Absolutely, yes. Which does make me wonder why we've got the Pulse rule, apart from it being a little lottery for Players who bother to Vote. I find it hard to believe that anyone might actually Vote against their principles just to try and win it. >>By all means Propose to ban the Speaker from getting the Pulse >>bonus, though, if it makes you feel any better. > >Which way would you vote on that one then? [grins] Doing away with it altogether might be wise, really - I find myself unconvinced that "going the way of the masses" is something we should be applauding people for. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "All over Battersea, some hope and some despair." -- Morrissey, "You're The One For Me, Fatty" From Kevan Davis Wed Jul 15 07:47:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6036 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 14:47:10 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 14:47:10 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23507 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:46:27 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23504 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:46:23 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p28.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.28]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04551 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:46:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:46:18 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807151446.PAA04551@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Proposal musings Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Proposal 434 - Radioactivity [other, multiple] > >{Comment: this is another one of those lengthy multiple proposals which started >off as a simple idea, but ended up needing significant amendments to several >rules in order to be sound. The 'simple' idea is this: allow players to be >Voting or Non-Voting. I think there is a need for this because recently there >seem to be proposals getting through with only one or two votes FOR and a >ludicrous number of Passes, which seems silly. I was considering this the other day - it's because I include Inactive Players in the tallies. It doesn't really make a lot of difference either way, since Quorum goes by the number of Players who actually Voted, and the criteria for a Proposal passing has nothing to do with the number of PASS Votes it has received. >I've also included a definition of 'The >Speaker' (strange that this hasn't been done before) and removed all the 'or >eir nominee' bits, which should have been done long ago.} That part of it I applaud, that we need clearer definitions of things, and could probably do with looking at the "0.x" sections of the Ruleset and rewording them for clarity. >Any Active Player who does not submit a valid Vote shall be deemed to have >abstained. If the total number of abstentions exceeds the total number of valid >votes (FOR, AGAINST or PASS), the Proposal fails to reach Quorum. This strikes me as a little suspect - that PASSing and abstaining is not the same thing. Maybe it's worth ditching the concept of Voting "PASS". Anyway. In all, some welcome rewordings and tidyings of a section of the Ruleset we've never really gone back and changed very much - the essential premise of the Proposal, though, seems a little questionable, particularly since all Active Players seem to be Voting consistently, these days. >Proposal 435 - Duel [enactment, special ruleset] Hmm. Nice imagery, but it all seems a bit pointless - winning a Duel doesn't actually get you anything, and aside from the curious absence of the Drone rules, you might as well just post a mailing list message saying "Okay, Game 9 is just going to be between me and Dunx." I think some Rules covering the playing of two-player Games over private email might be welcome, and it might be fun to have a tournament, but this Proposal doesn't seem to be adding very much except some nice atmosphere that it doesn't quite live up to. >Proposal 436 - Burnt alive! [amendment] > >Remove the phrase "or if eir Move finishes at it," from the second paragraph of >Rule 1.9.2 (Escalator Fires). Er, well spotted, yes; Spotting a Fire at your current Location does make you rather invulnerable, and still free to Move next Turn. Certainly something that needs addressing, and certainly the way to address it. >Proposal 437 - Changing Home Stations [Other, Multiple] > >Action: [Changing Home to ] 30mins duration, post-move action, >cost 4 Br, 1 Si, 1 Go. Hmm. Maybe slightly suspect in the fact that you can switch your Home Station to lobster-pot another Player or deny them access to a Token Stack or whatever; the idea of using one's Home Station in an offensive manner seems someone against the spirit of things, at least to me. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Too many psychopaths, not enough cycle paths." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Children of Apocalyptic Techstep" From Wed Jul 15 08:06:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25296 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 15:06:52 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 15:06:52 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24699 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:05:36 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24692 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:05:30 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA13568 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:05:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 15:05:27 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA23735; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:05:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199807151505.QAA23735@uks447> Date: 15 Jul 98 16:01:48 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: self-abuse X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 15-Jul-98 15:12 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>>I could even Vote FOR my own Proposals >>>that fail for the want of one Vote (such as my Subs one last Week), >>>if I really wanted to abuse my position. >> >>What I would like to know is why voting for your own proposal is such a bad >>thing. I'm sure there is a perfectly good reason, I'm just ignorant of >>it. Maybe I should propose to abolish that particular Kudos penalty. >It just seems more democratic - that one person puts a Proposal >forward and all the other Players decide whether it's a good or >bad one. Allowing Players to Vote for eir own Proposals just >means that every Proposal gets an extra FOR Vote (except for the >rare cases when a Player realises eir Proposal to be broken and >Votes AGAINST), and more Proposals get through than perhaps >should. Indeed - by discouraging the Proposer from voting FOR their own Proposals each Proposal basically has a fifty/fifty chance of being carried, whereas with the Proposer supporting their own Proposal all the Proposals put forward stand a higher chance of passing. As Kevan says, it was more of an issue in the early days when there were fewer players and fewer voters, but even now with only seven voting Players each definite FOR vote pushes the passing chance up by 14% or so. Actually, it's probably half of 14%, making it a 57%/43% chance of passing... I don't know. Probability was never my mathematical strong point, and conditional probability was a personal nightmare. >>>By all means Propose to ban the Speaker from getting the Pulse >>>bonus, though, if it makes you feel any better. >> >>Which way would you vote on that one then? >[grins] >Doing away with it altogether might be wise, really - I find >myself unconvinced that "going the way of the masses" is >something we should be applauding people for. As I've Proposed before (Prop 374, y2w5), why not get rid of Kudos entirely? Kudos seems to me a largely unnecessary mechanism for measuring democratic 'success' ie how many votes you got, and how active you were. Given the rolling de-emphasis of the Nomic aspect in MorNomic, the presence of Kudos seems particularly anachronistic. The positive aspects of Kudos are the 'Voting Own' sanction and the element of whimsy introduced with the bonus scheme. I think 'Voting Own' is better handled by penalising Proposing rights, and much as I applaud whimsy it seems to sit less comfortably in the Nomic section of the game than in the MC part. Still, that's my view. Prop 374 was voted down quite spectacularly last time, so I know not many others share it. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Jul 15 09:23:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11052 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 16:23:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 16:23:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28577 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:20:35 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA28574 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:20:32 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA29950; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:22:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:20:23 +0100 Message-Id: <98071516202378@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: self-abuse X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Indeed - by discouraging the Proposer from voting FOR their own >Proposals each Proposal basically has a fifty/fifty chance of being >carried, Really? This may be statistically true, but I don't think statistics come in to it -- I mean, does a controversial proposal to radically alter he structure of the game have the same chance of passing as a banal proposal to tidy up the wording of a small rule? > whereas with the Proposer supporting their own Proposal >all the Proposals put forward stand a higher chance of passing. My point in questioning the restriction is really that even if this is true, is it a good enough reason for denying people the right to stand up for their own ideas? I'm not so sure it is, y'know. >Doing away with it altogether might be wise, really - I find >myself unconvinced that "going the way of the masses" is >something we should be applauding people for. Indeed, I'd have to agree with this. >As I've Proposed before (Prop 374, y2w5), why not get rid of Kudos >entirely? Oh, not *that* old chestnut... dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Jul 15 10:22:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14951 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 17:22:01 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 17:22:01 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA31914 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:20:52 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA31910 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:20:45 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA06387; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:22:15 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:36:34 +0100 Message-Id: <98071517363448@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Proposal musings X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I was considering this the other day - it's because I include Inactive >Players in the tallies. It doesn't really make a lot of difference either >way, since Quorum goes by the number of Players who actually Voted, and >the criteria for a Proposal passing has nothing to do with the number of >PASS Votes it has received. The point really is that the definition of quorum is flawed -- at present it only accounts for Players who vote For or Against. At least a third of those votes must be 'For' in order for the proposal to pass quorum, but this means only proposals that get fewer For than Against votes have any chance of failing quorum, and they have faile to pass anyway, so quorum, as it stands, is utterly irrelevant and we may as well not bother with it altogether. However, I felt that in order to be a truly representative process, we need to maintain some form of quorum. This proposal seeks to address the problem by basing quorum on the number of players 'present' in a given week, which is why I have introduced a distinction between Passing and abstaining -- if you don't want to vote for or against a proposal (or if that proposal is your own) you can vote 'Pass' and you will be registered as Present. By this system, only Active Players can abstain or register a vote of Pass. Inactive and Non-voting players are not considered to be part of the democratic process, which upholds their right to opt out. So, if we imagine a situation where only one player votes in a given week, and e votes For all proposals, but all other players forget to vote, can't make their minds up, or just don't bother, those proposals won't pass, even though they have received more for than against votes, because they have received only one valid vote, which is outnumbered by abstentions. Under the current system, those proposals would pass, which seems daft to me. By my proposed system, the ones that aren't bothered about voting can opt out by becoming non-voting, the forgetful ones would be registered as abstentions, and those that can't make up their mind can at least vote pass and make the proposal quorate. >>Any Active Player who does not submit a valid Vote shall be deemed to have >>abstained. If the total number of abstentions exceeds the total number of valid >>votes (FOR, AGAINST or PASS), the Proposal fails to reach Quorum. > >This strikes me as a little suspect - that PASSing and abstaining is not >the same thing. Maybe it's worth ditching the concept of Voting "PASS". Well, I hope I have sufficiently explained the reason for retaining the separate concepts -- I think it is important >Anyway. In all, some welcome rewordings and tidyings of a section of the >Ruleset we've never really gone back and changed very much - the essential >premise of the Proposal, though, seems a little questionable, particularly >since all Active Players seem to be Voting consistently, these days. It's true that in practice, if everyone keeps voting, then it won't make much difference, which is a good thing, but I still think the rule is unsatisfactory as it stands. Also, I would personally prefer it if there were no Non-voting players, but I don't think it's really an ideal state of affairs that players who don't vote are counted in the reckoning, yet strangely have no effect on the outcome. Just applying the principal to a randomly selected week's voting results... let's say Week 25 -- four of the seven active players failed to vote (assuming none of them were actually inactive) so all proposals failed to reach quorum and all failed to pass, regardless of how many for/against votes they received. Even if, say, just William (cheers) had voted Pass on all proposals, they all would have passed quorum. Thus is the difference. dave From Elusive Wed Jul 15 13:18:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 20:18:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 20:18:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA08497 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:17:03 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08478 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:16:54 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p74.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.74]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA28187 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:16:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:16:49 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807152016.VAA28187@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Elusive Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 0 0 1 3 0 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 3 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 3 | 3 0 2 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 1 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 0900 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] { Comment: Ticking away, the moments that make up a dull day... (Game Time Advanced, etc) +1 Black for same line. +1 Bronze for Zone 3. +1 Gold for Smoking the old cigar. (It's not very lady like, but it'll just have to do) } From Kevan Davis Wed Jul 15 13:26:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10521 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Jul 1998 20:26:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 20:26:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA08700 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:24:13 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08697 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:24:07 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p35.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.35]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA28664 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:24:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:24:02 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807152024.VAA28664@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 0 0 1 3 0 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 3 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 3 | 3 0 2 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 1 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 2 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | +---------+--------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1000 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++--------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | +---------------+---------------------------------------------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] { Comment: Ludicrum tempus fugit. +1 Black for a same-Liner. +1 Bronze for a Zone 3. +1 Gold for the cigar. And they say smoking's bad for you. } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Don't come to the house tonight, because there's somebody here who'll take a hatchet to your ear." -- The Smiths, "Death at One's Elbow" From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Thu Jul 16 03:25:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30308 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jul 1998 10:25:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1998 10:25:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16640 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:24:28 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16630 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:24:20 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA29234; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:25:49 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:35:33 +0100 Message-Id: <98071610353326@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 6 | 4 4 2 1 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 0 0 1 3 0 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 3 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 3 | 3 0 2 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 1 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 2 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1100 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] {Comment: Game Time Updated +1 Go: Token Running +1 Go: Cigar smoking -1 Go: Gold to Blue +4 Bu: likewise +1 Bk: same line +1 Br: zone pass held } From Kevan Davis Thu Jul 16 05:54:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11858 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jul 1998 12:54:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1998 12:54:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24061 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:52:51 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24056 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:52:46 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p07.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.7]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA18825 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:52:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:52:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807161252.NAA18825@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Proposal musings Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >The point really is that the definition of quorum is flawed -- at present it >only accounts for Players who vote For or Against. At least a third of those >votes must be 'For' in order for the proposal to pass quorum, but this means >only proposals that get fewer For than Against votes have any chance of failing >quorum, and they have faile to pass anyway, so quorum, as it stands, is utterly >irrelevant and we may as well not bother with it altogether. True enough, yes. Originally Quorum was introduced because most people were PASSing on quite a lot of Proposals, for one reason or another, and Proposals were getting through on one FOR and six PASSes. This practice stopped when we introduced the three-Kudos bonus for Voting properly on all Proposals each Week; I think the Quorum issue has only ever prevented a Proposal passing once in all the months that Mornomic's been running... >Under the current system, those proposals would pass, which seems daft to me. >By my proposed system, the ones that aren't bothered about voting can opt out >by becoming non-voting, the forgetful ones would be registered as abstentions, >and those that can't make up their mind can at least vote pass and make the >proposal quorate. Ah. Sound argument, yes. My only real quibble is that I don't think there's a need for the non-Voting Player aspect, since people seem to be Voting sufficiently these days. Maybe it's worth introducing as an option, I suppose - it doesn't seem to be taking up that much extra rulespace, and I'm sure there might be some people who'd want to use it, at some point. >Well, I hope I have sufficiently explained the reason for retaining the >separate concepts -- I think it is important I see your angle now, yes. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "We didn't have any of these sissy 'icons' and 'windows'. All we had were zeroes and ones. And sometimes we didn't even have ones." -- Dilbert From Kevan Davis Thu Jul 16 05:54:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11868 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jul 1998 12:54:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1998 12:54:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24067 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:52:56 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24060 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:52:51 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p07.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.7]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA18836 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:52:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:52:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807161252.NAA18836@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: self-abuse Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Indeed - by discouraging the Proposer from voting FOR their own >>Proposals each Proposal basically has a fifty/fifty chance of being >>carried, > >Really? This may be statistically true, but I don't think statistics come in to >it -- I mean, does a controversial proposal to radically alter he structure of >the game have the same chance of passing as a banal proposal to tidy up the >wording of a small rule? Indeed not, no - fifty-fifty isn't really the case, and it's quite rare that a Proposal gets a direct split of Votes. But it's true that letting everyone Vote for their own stuff increases the chance of Proposals getting through. It's effectively the same as saying "Proposals pass unless they receive more AGAINST Votes than FOR Votes", since it doesn't do much more than break tie-breaks. >> whereas with the Proposer supporting their own Proposal >>all the Proposals put forward stand a higher chance of passing. > >My point in questioning the restriction is really that even if this is true, is >it a good enough reason for denying people the right to stand up for their own >ideas? I'm not so sure it is, y'know. Well, by Proposing something you're standing up for your own idea. In a way the current system lets you *really* stand up for your ideas by sacrificing a few Kudos to Vote FOR your Proposal (as Dunx did last Week, since e considered eir Proposal to be important). Blindly giving the green light to everyone means that everyone automatically stands up for their own ideas without even thinking about it, which is arguably a bad thing. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "If God had meant for us to work, then I'm sure he would have given us jobs." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "A Lilac Harry Quinn" From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Thu Jul 16 07:09:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12334 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jul 1998 14:09:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1998 14:09:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28631 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:08:30 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA28627 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:08:24 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA02148; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:09:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:00:01 +0100 Message-Id: <98071615000125@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Proposal musings X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >But it's true >that letting everyone Vote for their own stuff increases the >chance of Proposals getting through. Aye, fair enough. Really I'm just playing devil's advocate to make sure we're not guarding an archaism in the ruleset for no good reason. I more or less agree that in this instance, while we have so few players, and since everyone thinks it's a good idea, the Kudos penalty is fair, though I don't think penalising people for voting for their own proposals is a good rule in principle (it's undemocratic -- except in certain circumstances such as this), and should be reconsidered if the number of players ever increases significantly. >Ah. Sound argument, yes. My only real quibble is that I don't think >there's a need for the non-Voting Player aspect, since people seem >to be Voting sufficiently these days. I'm not entirely happy with it myself (I was against the principle when it was first suggested) -- I sincerely hope no-one would want to be Non-voting, but since the emphasis is increasingly shifting towards the game-playing side of things, I thought it best to keep it as an option. dave From Thu Jul 16 09:27:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7639 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jul 1998 16:26:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1998 16:26:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA02934 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:24:53 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02926 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:24:46 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA01176 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:24:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 16 Jul 1998 16:24:44 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA20978; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:24:42 +0100 Message-Id: <199807161624.RAA20978@uks447> Date: 16 Jul 98 17:22:01 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Turns, Moves and Pieces MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Following on from EP 25, I've been trawling through the ruleset for references to 'move' and any ambiguities surrounding its use. The primary focus has been an extension of the EP 25 principle, that of eliminating confusion between Piece Move and Player Move (as defined in Rule 1.5.8, and duplicated below), to the entire ruleset. However, I've uncovered some confusion between Player Turn and Player Move also (compare the meanings of Rules 1.3.0, 1.3.4 and 1.3.1 if in doubt) and it occurs to me that part of the reason behind this is that the terminology is a little unwieldy. That's my fault of course, which is one reason why I'm doing this massive trawl: a secular penance, if you will. What I'd like to put to the list is a refinement of the terms used. The aim here is to make the terminology more distinct and generally more compelling, to make any new terms broadly compatible with the existing forms, and to get agreement on it *before* I go and write the monstrous proposal that will inevitably result! Anyway, here are my suggestions. Opinions please. Player Turn definition - "consists of the total set of changes that a Player makes to the GSD when e takes eir Turn" alternative - Turn Player Move definition - "the section written against eir name at the bottom of the GSD which includes the Player's Piece's Move and any Actions played" alternative - Move Piece Move (also: Piece movement, normal Piece movement) definition - "[a Piece's] normal motion along LU lines, excluding all Action-related changes to position" alternative - Movement (a bit too similar to 'Move') - Motion (distinct but a bit flabby) - Lineation (distinct, precise because it introduces the concept of movement along lines, but a hideous neologism and too far from the current term. Also, although one usually travels along lines, one does not always eg Dollis Hill) - Actuation (distinct, and a real word this time. Still a long way from the curent term though) - Piece (distinct and obvious, but 'the phase of Piece'?) We could also do with a definition of the term Round (as in a Round of Turns) since the idea is used in several places but never defined. As you can see, I don't think there's much difficulty with definite replacements for Player Turn and Player Move: it's Piece Move where the difficulties come in and, to be fair, wher emost of the confusion has arisen from. Of those I suggest I think I prefer Piece since it's a simple word that's already in use, despite the unpleasantness of using a noun in this context. Does anyone have any other ideas? I would be prepared to go along with the status quo, but I don't think that's a good idea. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Thu Jul 16 11:52:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2568 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Jul 1998 18:52:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1998 18:52:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA10385 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:50:45 +0100 Received: from relay2.force9.net (relay2.force9.net [195.166.128.25]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10380 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:50:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199807161850.TAA10380@q...> Received: (qmail 31564 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1998 18:45:35 -0000 Received: from 306.hiper02.shef.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.145.50) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 16 Jul 1998 18:45:35 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:43:24 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 6 | 4 4 2 1 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 6 | 1 1 0 1 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 3 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 3 | 3 0 2 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 1 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 2 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1200 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,O) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| Bk | Stockwell | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] {Comment: I contemplated being nasty to Dunx, but eventually decided against it. I also managed to pick the wrong line last move, shame really but too late now. More importantly, I didn't Place the Black I lost last move, so, as long as no-one objects, I've taken the liberty of putting it on Stockwell. If there is objection to this, I'll move it or remove it. Additionally: -1 Bk for the line change; on Kings Cross St. Pancras. +1 Silver, for a 5 line interchange. +1 Blue, passing through 4 interchanges. +1 Hat. Time etc. } From Thu Jul 16 19:46:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16910 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1998 02:46:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 02:46:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA01019 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:45:57 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01016 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:45:50 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id MAA20798; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:45:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma020785; Fri, 17 Jul 98 12:45:44 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:45:43 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01BB@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:45:38 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 6 | 4 4 2 1 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 6 | 1 1 0 1 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 4 | 2 0 2 1 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 3 | 3 0 2 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 1 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 2 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1200 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,O) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| Bk | Putney Bridge | BkGo | | Stockwell | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : [LV+1] [Token Running] Kensington (Olympia) (DS, via HC) [Spooning dave] {Comment: Let's see if this gets through - it should be open... 10 mins, +1 Go (Token run) 10 mins, -1 Bl (Line change) - on Putney Bridge 00 mins, +1 Br (Zone 2) 20 mins, -1 Go (Spooning dave) - on Putney Bridge Sorry about that, dave. Time Advanced Hmmm - this game is being good to me. I wonder if it'll last. :-) } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNa4uNstA22MsBS7iEQLbdgCfaKz61B9fpo7hf4j5tklHH9ygbdIAnili mux8RVQRjrhBAIAVFXJNFDXp =cl9t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Thu Jul 16 19:54:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: RE: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:53:20 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 6 | 4 4 2 1 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 6 | 1 1 0 1 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 4 | 2 0 2 1 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 3 | 3 0 2 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 1 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 2 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1300 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,O) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| Bk | Putney Bridge | BkGo | | Stockwell | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : [LV+1] [Token Running] Kensington (Olympia) (DS, via HC) [Spooning dave] {Comment: Let's see if this gets through - it should be open... 10 mins, +1 Go (Token run) 10 mins, -1 Bl (Line change) - on Putney Bridge 00 mins, +1 Br (Zone 2) 20 mins, -1 Go (Spooning dave) - on Putney Bridge Sorry about that, dave. Time Advanced - really this time. Hmmm - this game is being good to me. I wonder if it'll last. :-) } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Thu Jul 16 20:54:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:53:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 6 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 4 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0900 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) { Comment: Very boring, this. +1 Br - Zone 2 pass +1 Bl - Same line Sorry for the delay - we had a massive mailjam here at work. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Thu Jul 16 23:36:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25684 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1998 06:36:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 06:36:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA10978 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:35:35 +0100 Received: from relay1.force9.net (relay1.force9.net [195.166.128.24]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10972 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:35:27 +0100 Received: from sprout (80.usr01.shef.dialup.force9.net [195.166.132.80]) by relay1.force9.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id GAA21439 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:32:07 GMT Message-Id: <199807170632.GAA21439@r...> From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: RE: Game 4 Game State Document... Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:37:15 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 6 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0900 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) { Comment: +1 Bl - Same line Time updated. Nothing else to do. } From Fri Jul 17 01:55:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9235 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1998 08:55:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 08:55:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17291 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:31 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17288 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:26 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14854 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 08:53:23 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA11653; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199807170853.JAA11653@uks447> Date: 17 Jul 98 09:48:42 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 17-Jul-98 03:53 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 6 | 4 4 2 1 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 6 | 1 1 0 1 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 4 | 2 0 2 1 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 3 1 3 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 1 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 2 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1400 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,O) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| Bk | Putney Bridge | BkGoRe | | Stockwell | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : [LV+1] [Token Running] Kensington (Olympia) (DS, via HC) [Spooning dave] Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] { Comment: Thanks for not shunting me there, Grimace. Didn't check my mirrors when I pulled out. However, I don't really feel that I can count on your charity again! Hence the block... It doesn't really matter where I changed, although I assumed Baker Street. Anyway - too simple to bother with timings (although this is about the limit for dave at the moment), but in full: +1 Br (zone pass) +1 Bu (four line interchange) -1 Re (block, on Putney Bridge) Tempers fuggit, as Nanny Ogg would say. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Fri Jul 17 02:34:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11336 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1998 09:34:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 09:34:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19426 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:33:34 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19422 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:33:29 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA24241; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:35:03 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:28:08 +0100 Message-Id: <98071710280887@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 -- buzz on Mr Wayper X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) > [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] > PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] > PaulWay : [LV+1] [Token Running] Kensington (Olympia) (DS, via HC) > [Spooning dave] Bzzzzzzzt! and in case you didn't hear it the first time Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt! 1. If you wish to token run from Hammersmith, you have to go back along the H&C line. (see Rule 1.4.11) 2. Attempting to move to Ken (Olympia) from Hammersmith using only the District Line involves changing Line Direction at Earl's COurt. (see Rule 1.5.4) 3. If you're attempting to go via the Piccadilly Line, a) you're not saying as much, and b) it only requires an LV of 3. 4. If you're attempting to go round the top via Paddington on the H&C you haven't got the LV so you'd fail. 5. Since the Token Run was illegal, you don't have a Gold to put me in spoon with. All in all, a comprehensively illegal move. (Sorry for the vindictiveness -- I don't take kindly to being Spooned) dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Fri Jul 17 02:41:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16277 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1998 09:41:29 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 09:41:29 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19785 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:40:45 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19782 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:40:40 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA26251; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:42:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:45:22 +0100 Message-Id: <98071710452273@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: and another thing... X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) 6. You didn't give me the Spoon Clamp, thus failing to perform your duty to fully update the GSD. dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Fri Jul 17 02:51:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23110 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1998 09:51:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 09:51:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20184 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:50:54 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20180 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:50:49 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA28329; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:52:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:51:34 +0100 Message-Id: <98071710513448@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: just one more wafer-thin buzz... X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) 7. Kensington (Olympia) is not adjacent to Fulham Broadway, so teh Spooning action would be illegal even if you had the gold token. I think that's it. It should be enough for now, at least. dave From Kevan Davis Fri Jul 17 06:32:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16143 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1998 13:32:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 13:32:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA31268 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:30:52 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA31264 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:30:46 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p22.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.22]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA14846 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:30:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:30:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807171330.OAA14846@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Turns, Moves and Pieces Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Anyway, here are my suggestions. Opinions please. > >Player Turn > definition - "consists of the total set of changes that a Player makes > to the GSD when e takes eir Turn" > alternative - Turn Rather a circular definition, there, but I'm at a loss for any finer wording. "Player Turn" is obviously a partly superfluous moniker, since only Players can have Turns; merely "Turn" seems fair enough, really. >Player Move > definition - "the section written against eir name at the bottom of the > GSD which includes the Player's Piece's Move and any > Actions played" > alternative - Move I'm not sure if this is best grouped with Turn, to a greater extent; Players should really be buzzed for making an Illegal *Turn* rather than an Illegal Move - the Turn encompasses all changes to the GSD, the Player Move and the Piece Move. Unless I'm overlooking something, we should be able to get by without ever referring explicitly to what is deemed the "Player Move". (And the Buzzing Rule arguably needs fixing - somehow it seems to have slipped from it's Turn-themed genesis in Eprop 03.) >Piece Move (also: Piece movement, normal Piece movement) > definition - "[a Piece's] normal motion along LU lines, excluding all > Action-related changes to position" > alternative - Movement (a bit too similar to 'Move') > - Motion [...] I've always been rather uncomfortable with the fact that some rules refer to Players actually being at Stations, and others refer to the Players' Pieces being there. We really need to jump one way or the other on this one; I'm still unsure which would be preferable. >We could also do with a definition of the term Round (as in a Round of >Turns) since the idea is used in several places but never defined. Indeed, yes. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I play postal chess with a man who doesn't know me." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "4AD3DCD" From Fri Jul 17 07:16:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9078 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1998 14:16:23 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 14:16:23 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01029 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:15:20 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01025 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:15:13 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA25779 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:15:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 14:15:10 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA18691; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:15:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199807171415.PAA18691@uks447> Date: 17 Jul 98 15:12:08 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Turns, Moves and Pieces X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 17-Jul-98 14:30 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Anyway, here are my suggestions. Opinions please. >> >>Player Turn >> definition - "consists of the total set of changes that a Player makes >> to the GSD when e takes eir Turn" >> alternative - Turn >Rather a circular definition, there, but I'm at a loss for any finer >wording. "Player Turn" is obviously a partly superfluous moniker, since >only Players can have Turns; merely "Turn" seems fair enough, really. Isn't it, though? The only remedy for this is to appeal to the common definition of turn and to draw a distinction between 'Turn' and 'turn'. This kind of case sensitivity tends to make everyone except C and Java programmers very nervous though. ... or perhaps the definition could be made to read "has eir go" instead? Yuck. >>Player Move >> definition - "the section written against eir name at the bottom of the >> GSD which includes the Player's Piece's Move and any >> Actions played" >> alternative - Move >I'm not sure if this is best grouped with Turn, to a greater extent; >Players should really be buzzed for making an Illegal *Turn* rather >than an Illegal Move - the Turn encompasses all changes to the GSD, >the Player Move and the Piece Move. Agreed. >Unless I'm overlooking something, >we should be able to get by without ever referring explicitly to what >is deemed the "Player Move". That would be a useful simplification, I must say. My only quibble with it is based on the reason why that distinction was drawn in the first place: the need to refer separately to the motion of the Piece caused by Line-based movement and the total motion of the Piece caused by the combination of that line-based movement and any Actions. Whether this is meaningful quibble depends on whether we still have that need. I'll certainly think about dropping the terms to two though: Move and Turn would then be sufficient, and would be quite nice as well! >(And the Buzzing Rule arguably needs >fixing - somehow it seems to have slipped from it's Turn-themed >genesis in Eprop 03.) I don't know about you, but I haven't been keeping an eye on this stuff lately. I think the Buzz rewording just slipped past. >>Piece Move (also: Piece movement, normal Piece movement) >> definition - "[a Piece's] normal motion along LU lines, excluding all >> Action-related changes to position" >> alternative - Movement (a bit too similar to 'Move') >> - Motion [...] >I've always been rather uncomfortable with the fact that some rules >refer to Players actually being at Stations, and others refer to the >Players' Pieces being there. We really need to jump one way or the >other on this one; I'm still unsure which would be preferable. Good point - I've been so busy agonising over the Turn/Move/Piece Move thing that I hadn't got to the difficulties there! Personally, I would lean towards the Piece - the idea of the Player's Piece being moved around the board was introduced very early on, and I think it's the right way to think about the game. Also, I tend to think about what entities in the game own which information or have particular attributes - Players own tokens, Pieces have a position on the board and a line velocity. Again I'll think about this, but I may try and put off the Piece v Player position thing simply because otherwise the whole thing is going to be absolutely monstrous. Thanks for those comments, though. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Fri Jul 17 08:08:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14840 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1998 15:08:29 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 15:08:29 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA03761 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:07:40 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03752 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:07:35 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p24.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.24]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA21436 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:07:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:07:32 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807171507.QAA21436@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Turns, Moves and Pieces Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Isn't it, though? The only remedy for this is to appeal to the common >definition of turn and to draw a distinction between 'Turn' and 'turn'. >This kind of case sensitivity tends to make everyone except C and Java >programmers very nervous though. [nods grimly] True, yes. Using the word as both the period of time in which a Turn can be submitted, and the article being submitted is a little confusing... >>Unless I'm overlooking something, >>we should be able to get by without ever referring explicitly to what >>is deemed the "Player Move". > >That would be a useful simplification, I must say. My only quibble >with it is based on the reason why that distinction was drawn in the first >place: the need to refer separately to the motion of the Piece caused by >Line-based movement and the total motion of the Piece caused by the >combination of that line-based movement and any Actions. Whether this is >meaningful quibble depends on whether we still have that need. Flipping through the Ruleset, it just seems a matter of rewording rather a lot of Rules. I can't see any Game aspects that can't be sufficiently adjusted to suit a simple Turn/Move approach. >Personally, I would lean towards the Piece - the idea of the Player's >Piece being moved around the board was introduced very early on, and >I think it's the right way to think about the game. > >Also, I tend to think about what entities in the game own which >information or have particular attributes - Players own tokens, Pieces >have a position on the board and a line velocity. It depends which way the Game's going to go, I suppose. If things like the mused Bifurcation go through, it'd be a lot easier to give Pieces to Players. Hmm. Yes, probably best to go with Pieces; better to give us possible scope than take it away - I can see reasonable need for Rules that remove Pieces from the Map, and things. It'll mean a lot of rewording of the existing Ruleset, but then again, it always does... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "So let us go soon, to the street shaped like the moon." -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "Life on a Crescent" From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Fri Jul 17 08:08:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15245 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1998 15:08:52 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 15:08:52 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA03781 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:08:07 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA03777 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:08:03 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA07796; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:09:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:52:11 +0100 Message-Id: <98071715521129@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Turning my head X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) All this talk of Moves and Turns and Turn phases is quite beyond me. The supposed problems of definition have never bothered me when playing Monopoly, and I'm not quite sure why it's such a problem here -- as I see it, it's not the definitions that need clarifying, but the text of the rules that needs simplifying. There's far too much spurious 'technicalese' and essentially meaningless jargon cluttering up the ruleset and not nearly enough getting to the point. What Dunx suggests seems extremely contrived and convoluted to me, and thoroughly unnecessary. How about defining 'Move' simply as movement of the Player's Piece, and 'Turn' as the sum of moves and actions made by a player on eir turn? Any action related piece movement could perhaps be differentiated as a 'special' move, and a simple rule along the lines of "'Move' implicitly means all piece movement, whether 'normal' or 'special' unless explicitly stated otherwise" should cover all eventualities. dave From Fri Jul 17 08:23:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1375 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1998 15:23:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 15:23:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA04509 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:22:51 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04438 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:22:44 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA03966 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:22:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 15:22:42 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA27615; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:22:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199807171522.QAA27615@uks447> Date: 17 Jul 98 16:20:19 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Turns, Moves and Pieces X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 17-Jul-98 16:07 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>>Unless I'm overlooking something, >>>we should be able to get by without ever referring explicitly to what >>>is deemed the "Player Move". >> >>That would be a useful simplification [...] >Flipping through the Ruleset, it just seems a matter of rewording >rather a lot of Rules. I can't see any Game aspects that can't be >sufficiently adjusted to suit a simple Turn/Move approach. Good. Obviously this is pending the patented Fine Toothed Comb... >>Personally, I would lean towards the Piece - the idea of the Player's >>Piece being moved around the board was introduced very early on, and >>I think it's the right way to think about the game. >> >>Also, I tend to think about what entities in the game own which >>information or have particular attributes - Players own tokens, Pieces >>have a position on the board and a line velocity. >It depends which way the Game's going to go, I suppose. If things >like the mused Bifurcation go through, it'd be a lot easier to >give Pieces to Players. I thought of Bifurcation myself, I must say! >Hmm. Yes, probably best to go with Pieces; Pieces it is, then. >better to give us possible scope than take it away - I can see >reasonable need for Rules that remove Pieces from the Map, and >things. It'll mean a lot of rewording of the existing Ruleset, but >then again, it always does... Funny that. Comparisons between OO and procedural programming would mark me irrevocably as a softie, but then again there is my .sig... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Fri Jul 17 08:45:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31376 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Jul 1998 15:45:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 15:45:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA05542 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:44:19 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05539 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:44:15 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA06149 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:44:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 15:44:13 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA29835; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:44:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199807171544.QAA29835@uks447> Date: 17 Jul 98 16:41:30 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Turning my head X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 17-Jul-98 15:52 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >All this talk of Moves and Turns and Turn phases is quite beyond me. The >supposed problems of definition have never bothered me when playing Monopoly, The fundamental difference between MN and Monopoly is that the rules don't change in Monopoly, and that meanings in MN *do* change as the rule are modified. The other fundamental difference is that the complexity in Monopoly is all coded into the cards so that it seems simple - it would be possible to deconstruct all that stuff and make some rules which describe how all the rents and so on are calculated. Then maybe it wouldn't seem so simple. (sorry, this is deliberate misrepresentation of your point, since I'm using an entirely different aspect of the rules of Monopoly than the one you mention) Granted that some of this is a little on the abstruse side, but then again we've started off complicated and are aiming to simplify. I'm sorry if this discussion distresses you, dave, but it has to be done. >and I'm not quite sure why it's such a problem here -- as I see it, it's not >the definitions that need clarifying, but the text of the rules that needs >simplifying. I agree, and it was in the process of looking at exactly that that I came across the confusion in terms. You can't simplify rules based on ambiguous words. >There's far too much spurious 'technicalese' and essentially >meaningless jargon cluttering up the ruleset and not nearly enough getting to >the point. Possibly, but then again a lot of the words are there to ensure that the intent behind the rules is maintained rather than misinterpreted. >What Dunx suggests seems extremely contrived and convoluted to me, >and thoroughly unnecessary. I disagree. I picked some very bad suggested terms, though. But as I say, this is a prelude - whatever terms get picked will be part of Proposal to make sure that all the rules using them will use them consistently. >How about defining 'Move' simply as movement of the Player's Piece, and 'Turn' >as the sum of moves and actions made by a player on eir turn? That is almost certainly what's going to happen. >Any action related piece movement could perhaps be differentiated as a >'special' move, and a simple rule along the lines of "'Move' implicitly means >all piece movement, whether 'normal' or 'special' unless explicitly stated >otherwise" should cover all eventualities. That's a useful bit of description - I'll probably borrow that. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Sun Jul 19 17:40:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1103 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 00:40:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 00:40:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA28684 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:38:56 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28679 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:38:41 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id KAA12998; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:38:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma012907; Mon, 20 Jul 98 10:38:05 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:38:07 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01C0@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 8 - what do I do? Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:38:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > PaulWay : [LV+1] [Token Running] Kensington (Olympia) (DS, via HC) > [Spooning dave] > Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] As dave has elegantly pointed out, I have done several illegal things in this move. For most of them, I apologise; it turns out my plans were ill-thought. In particular I want to apologise for the change of Line Direction; I must have been misled by an old copy of the rules (a fact which puzzles me mightily, since I was looking at Kevan's text on the Web and searching it via Netscape for "Line Direction" but could not find any rule stating a definition - I thought it must have been repealed, which was foolish of me). My only question is - does this mean I take back Dunx' move? See, Julie - whatever years might be credited to me in playing MC, they help me naught for this :-) Have fun, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Graeme Jefferis Mon Jul 20 01:19:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26482 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 08:19:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 08:19:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17297 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:18:05 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA17287 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:17:59 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyB8w-0002wd-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:17:58 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3821PWXC>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:21:43 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: RE: Game 8 - what do I do? Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:21:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >My only question is - does this mean I take back Dunx' move? Yes, I believe it's treated as mistimed now you've conceded the Buzz, so you can play over the top of it. -Graeme. From Kevan Davis Mon Jul 20 01:43:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14321 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 08:43:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 08:43:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18383 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:42:50 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18378 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:42:41 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p06.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.6]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA02572 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:42:38 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:42:38 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807200842.JAA02572@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: Game 8 - what do I do? Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >In particular I want to apologise for the change of Line >Direction; I must have been misled by an old copy of the rules (a fact >which puzzles me mightily, since I was looking at Kevan's text on the >Web and searching it via Netscape for "Line Direction" but could not >find any rule stating a definition - I thought it must have been >repealed, which was foolish of me). I lack the online time to wade through things and check this, but you weren't using the old "www.cms.dmu.ac.uk" address, were you? Irkingly, the page still seems to be there, despite our being told that our university accounts would be completely deleted some weeks ago - I would dial in and update it to give a pointer to the new pages, but they seem to have changed our passwords... Line direction is in the ruleset I have on my hard drive, anyway (mentioned quite a few times in quite a few contexts, actually), and I can only assume that it's also in the version on the Innotts Web page. >My only question is - does this mean I take back Dunx' move? Rule 1.16.5 (I rearranged the Buzzing section into seperate Rules, the other week, by the way - it seemed a little too strange as one big, segmented Rule, and was messing up my nearly-finished automated HTML ruleset-generator), er, says... " * Any Move following a Move that is subsequently Buzzed shall be declared a Mistimed Move, regardless of its legality, and shall be ignored." So you just ignore Dunx's Turn and replay your own. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "One can't complain. I have my friends. Somebody spoke to me only yesterday." -- Eeyore From Mon Jul 20 01:53:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23400 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 08:53:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 08:53:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18812 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:52:41 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18808 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:52:36 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25152 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:52:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 08:52:15 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA23144; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:52:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199807200852.JAA23144@uks447> Date: 20 Jul 98 09:49:55 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 8 - what do I do? X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 20-Jul-98 01:38 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) PaulWay wrote: >In particular I want to apologise for the change of Line >Direction; I must have been misled by an old copy of the rules (a fact >which puzzles me mightily, since I was looking at Kevan's text on the >Web and searching it via Netscape for "Line Direction" but could not >find any rule stating a definition - I thought it must have been >repealed, which was foolish of me). Here it is - Rule 1.5.4, from the Week 12 ruleset at the inotts address (second to last paragraph): "A Piece may not change Line Direction during a Move Portion. " -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Mon Jul 20 02:58:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13732 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 09:58:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 09:58:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22276 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:57:17 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA22273 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:57:09 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA27182; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:58:51 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:58:15 +0100 Message-Id: <98072010581509@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: RE: Game 8 - what do I do? X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >For most of them, I apologise; it turns out my plans were >ill-thought. No need to apologise -- if anything, I should be apologising for the vindictive pleasure I took in buzzing you. >In particular I want to apologise for the change of Line >Direction; I must have been misled by an old copy of the rules I believe this is an ancient rule that is still there. >(a fact >which puzzles me mightily, since I was looking at Kevan's text on the >Web and searching it via Netscape for "Line Direction" but could not >find any rule stating a definition - I thought it must have been >repealed, which was foolish of me). beats me. It was still there when I looked dave From Richard Brockie Mon Jul 20 04:39:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 161 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 11:39:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 11:39:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27529 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:38:46 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27526 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:38:38 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:38:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:38:14 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 6 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Claphan | 2 | 3 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 1000 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBr | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C), Cigar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) miKi : [LV+2] Oval (NT) { Comment: Amended my Home to be Clapham North as per recent PoO, +1 Black for same line, +1 Bronze for zone pass, -1 Bronze for Knip, onto Mile End, placing cigar in luggage rack, and Game time updated. That's it... [Dunx] As you can tell, I wasn't really paying attention in my last move - I felt the pressure of being > 36 hours pressing down on me... } From Richard Brockie Mon Jul 20 04:43:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2574 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 11:43:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 11:43:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27616 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:42:48 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27613 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:42:44 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:42:38 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:42:35 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Bzzzzt - on Dunx, PaulWay and Grimace! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I have just noticed that I have been the only person to play correctly in knip. Dunx, PaulWay and Grimace did not relinquish a token of eir choice at the end of eir move. So, Bzzzt! --- miKi From Mon Jul 20 05:24:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8605 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 12:24:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 12:24:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29699 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:23:21 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29696 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:23:16 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA18061 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:23:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 12:23:14 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA26323; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:23:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199807201223.NAA26323@uks447> Date: 20 Jul 98 13:19:05 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 4 Bzzzzt - on Dunx, PaulWay and Grimace! X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 20-Jul-98 12:42 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I have just noticed that I have been the only person to play correctly in >knip. Dunx, PaulWay and Grimace did not relinquish a token of eir choice >at the end of eir move. So, Bzzzt! Well, mea culpa and all that. However, I think my move is exmept since it's more than three turns ago. Rule 1.16.5: "No Move which is three or more turns old (i.e. that has three or more Moves following it in the Game State Document) may be Buzzed." Since you posted your buzz after your move that means that my move has three others following in the GSD, and that the oldest move you can challenge is PaulWay's. I don't believe there is any provision in the rules for withdrawing moves, either. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Mon Jul 20 05:34:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18413 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 12:34:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 12:34:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA30109 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:33:27 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA30106 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:33:24 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:32:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:32:44 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 4 Bzzzzt - on Dunx, PaulWay and Grimace! In-Reply-To: <199807201223.NAA26323@uks447> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On 20 Jul 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > >I have just noticed that I have been the only person to play correctly in > >knip. Dunx, PaulWay and Grimace did not relinquish a token of eir choice > >at the end of eir move. So, Bzzzt! > > Well, mea culpa and all that. However, I think my move is exmept since it's > more than three turns ago. Rule 1.16.5: > > "No Move which is three or more turns old (i.e. that has three or more > Moves following it in the Game State Document) may be Buzzed." > > Since you posted your buzz after your move that means that my move has > three others following in the GSD, and that the oldest move you can > challenge is PaulWay's. I don't believe there is any provision in the > rules for withdrawing moves, either. You are correct. The Bzzzt! is therefore on PaulWay and Grimace. --- miKi From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Mon Jul 20 05:40:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22655 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 12:40:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 12:40:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA30475 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:38:19 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA30470 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:38:14 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA09072; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:39:52 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:43:34 +0100 Message-Id: <98072013433408@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 4 Bzzzzt - on Dunx, PaulWay and Grimace! X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >You are correct. The Bzzzt! is therefore on PaulWay and Grimace. Or, rather, just on PaulWay, since the buzz on him makes Grimace's move merely mistimed. Poor PaulWay. Buzzed at every turn. It's just not fair. Maybe you could just buzz Grimace, which would protect PaulWay from being buzzed. dave From Graeme Jefferis Mon Jul 20 06:24:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6921 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 13:24:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 13:24:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA32608 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:24:11 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA32602 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:24:05 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyFv6-0005Hp-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:24:00 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3821PWYD>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:27:25 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 4 Bzzzzt - on Dunx, PaulWay and Grimace! Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:27:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Poor PaulWay. Buzzed at every turn. It's just not fair. >Maybe you could just buzz Grimace, which would protect >PaulWay from being buzzed. Fine by me. -Graeme. From Richard Brockie Mon Jul 20 06:28:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11140 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 13:28:33 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 13:28:33 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA32692 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:27:35 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA32689 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:27:32 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:27:25 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:27:22 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 4 Bzzzzt - on Grimace! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Graeme Jefferis wrote: > >Poor PaulWay. Buzzed at every turn. It's just not fair. > >Maybe you could just buzz Grimace, which would protect > >PaulWay from being buzzed. > > Fine by me. OK. I withdraw the Buzz on PaulWay. Grimace, you are Buzzed! --- miKi From Graeme Jefferis Mon Jul 20 06:38:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22870 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 13:38:11 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 13:38:11 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00362 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:37:26 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA00359 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:37:22 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yyG80-0006zI-00; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:37:21 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3821PWYG>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:37:49 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 4 Bzzzzt - on Grimace! Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:37:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >OK. I withdraw the Buzz on PaulWay. >Grimace, you are Buzzed! Oh good. I concede the buzz, then. Another GSD will arrive later today. -Graeme. From Mon Jul 20 11:04:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:04:56 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 6 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0900 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBrBk | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) { Comment: +1 Bk - Same line -1 Bk - Knip penalty. On E&C. Time updated. Nothing else to do, except ponder the fact this game has acquired one more token stack than it's allotted. } From Mon Jul 20 13:09:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12245 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Jul 1998 20:09:03 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 20:09:03 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA20700 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:07:49 +0100 Received: from relay3.force9.net (relay3.force9.net [195.166.128.26]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA20696 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:07:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199807202007.VAA20696@q...> Received: (qmail 17093 invoked from network); 20 Jul 1998 20:09:04 -0000 Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by relay3.force9.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 20:09:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 15047 invoked from network); 20 Jul 1998 20:02:44 -0000 Received: from 58.hiper02.shef.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.144.58) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 20:02:44 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document. Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:08:16 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 6 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 0 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 0900 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBk || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBrBk | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C) | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) { Comment: +1 Bk - Same line -1 Bk - Knip penalty. On E&C. Time updated. Nothing else to do, except ponder the fact this game has acquired one more token stack than it's allotted. Originally posted on a machine which had had it's date set to the second of July. Don't know if you got it or not - I haven't - but here's a repost anyhow. } From Richard Brockie Tue Jul 21 04:23:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31107 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jul 1998 11:23:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1998 11:23:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA30702 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:18:40 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30640 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:18:34 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:18:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:18:27 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 6 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 2 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 1000 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBkBr || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBu || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBrBk | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C), Cigar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) miKi : [LV+2] Oval (NT) { Comment: Amended my Home to be Clapham North as per recent PoO, +1 Black for same line, +1 Bronze for zone pass, -1 Bronze for Knip, onto Mile End, placing cigar in luggage rack, and Game time updated. That's it... [Dunx] As you can tell, I wasn't really paying attention in my last move - I felt the pressure of being > 36 hours pressing down on me... } placing cigar in luggage rack, and Game time updated. That's it... [Dunx] As you can tell, I wasn't really paying attention in my last move - I felt the pressure of being > 36 hours pressing down on me... } From Tue Jul 21 04:47:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 21-Jul-98 12:18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 2 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 1100 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBkBr || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBuBr || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBrBk | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C), Cigar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) miKi : [LV+2] Oval (NT) Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Claiming a Blue from Finchley Central] { Comment: This Action is permitted in Knip since it does not cost any Tokens, and there's no penalty for line change through Actions either. In full: +1 Bu (claiming) -1 Br (Knip cost, on Elm Park) Game Time advanced. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Jul 21 05:04:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: Re: MN: Game 4 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UNX8.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 21-Jul-98 12:44 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id NAA00026 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Vauxhall | 2 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 1100 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBkBr || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBuBr || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBrBk | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C), Cigar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) miKi : [LV+2] Oval (NT) Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token from Finchley Central] { Comment: This Action is permitted in Knip since it does not cost any Tokens, and there's no penalty for line change through Actions either. In full: +1 Bu (claiming) -1 Br (Knip cost, on Elm Park) Game Time advanced. (quick repost since I hadn't written the [Claiming] Action in full) } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Jul 21 05:40:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Clapham North | 2 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 1100 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBkBr || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBuBr || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBrBk | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C), Cigar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) miKi : [LV+2] Oval (NT) Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token from Finchley Central] { Comment: ... and again, this time changing miKi's Home Station to Clapham North (as e didn't really do before, but as e's not done since). } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Tue Jul 21 05:41:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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On 21 Jul 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > { Comment: > ... and again, this time changing miKi's Home Station to Clapham North > (as e didn't really do before, but as e's not done since). Thanks, --- miKi From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 21 07:48:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 13: Voting Results for Week 12 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 434 Radioactivity 2 6 3 - Fails 435 Duel 2 6 3 - Fails 436 Burnt Alive! 5 6 - - Amends 1.9.2 437 Changing Home Stations 2 6 3 - Fails 438 Twiddling 3 6 2 - Repeals 1.4.3, Enacts 1.7.33 Amends 1.17.6, Amends quite a lot else [a] 439 Stupid Compass Oversight 5 6 - - Amends 1.7.13/15 440 My Mate, Marmalade 5 6 - - Amends 1.4.16, 1.5.0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] "Overground" Stations are now known as "British Rail" Stations. Although this gives us the pleasing image of BR Hats, it renders all Overground Hats obsolete. I really should have covered that in the Proposal. Er, whoops. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 434 (dave) - AGA - - - FOR FOR AGA AGA - - 435 (dave) - AGA - - - AGA AGA FOR FOR - - 436 (dave) - FOR - - - FOR FOR FOR FOR - - 437 (PaulWay) AGA AGA - - - FOR AGA FOR - - - 438 (Kevan) AGA AGA - - - FOR - FOR FOR - - 439 (Kevan) FOR FOR - - - FOR - FOR FOR - - 440 (Kevan) FOR FOR - - - FOR - FOR FOR - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 13 37 11 0 29 4 50 3 3 1 0 Halved: 6 18 5 2 25 1 1 FOR Votes: +9 +0 +0 +0 +13 +0 +2 AGA Votes: -6 -0 -0 -0 -2 -0 -3 Decisiveness: +3 +3 +0 I I +3 +3 +3 +3 I I Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 n n -0 -0 -0 -0 n n a a a a Passed EPs: +0 +5 +0 c c +0 +0 +0 +0 c c Failed EPs: -0 -0 -0 t t -0 -0 -0 -0 t t Duplicate Props: +0 +0 +0 i i +0 +0 +0 +0 i i Dead Wood: +0 +0 +0 v v +0 +2 +0 +0 v v Finger/Pulse: +0 +0 +0 e e +0 +0 +0 +0 e e Award Ceremony: +9 +0 +0 +0 +3 +0 +0 [b] Final Kudos: 21 26 5 0 29 5 44 4 3 1 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 2 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b] Ruttsborough Award - dave (Radioactivity) IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - dave (Burnt Alive!) Mrs Trellis Award - dave (Duel) For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 21 07:48:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17255 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jul 1998 14:48:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1998 14:48:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07730 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:43:58 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07723 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:43:52 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p22.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.22]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA21485 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:43:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:43:45 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807211443.PAA21485@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 13: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Thirteen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 441 - Unattended Luggage [Other, Multiple] 1. Discarding Possessions [Enactment] Any Player may perform the Action "[Discarding ]", where "" is any Possession that e is carrying (provided that it is not Sticky). Upon performance of this Action, that Possession is destroyed. This Action may be performed more than once per Turn. 2. Drop It [Enactment, Action] [Discarding ] 1.7.? none 3. Stick 'Em Up [Amendment] Add the sentence "Spoon Clamps are Sticky Possessions." to the first paragraph of Rule 1.7.4 (Open the Cutlery Drawer, Mrs Higgins). { Comments : Ideally this could be tied in with a reworked "Suspect Package" approach (with Parcels, certainly), but I can't think of a good way to implement it at the moment. Tsk. The Drone Stick cries out to be Sticky, of course, but this would be a bit of a bugger to implement neatly, and I'll deal with it whenever I get around to rewording the Drone Rule (remove the term "Drone Keeper" entirely and just going by the Stick owner). } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 442 - Red Card [Amendment] Remove the second two paragraphs of Rule 1.4.5 (Railcard). { Comments : That whole "leave your Railcard somewhere but still be able to use it, and teleport back to get it whenever you wish" thing just seems far too weird, to me, I'm afraid. } And reword the first from:- If a Player owns a Railcard, all Token costs and penalties that result in a loss of Bronze Tokens are reduced by one Bronze Token. to:- If a Player owns a Railcard, all Token costs and penalties that result in a compulsory loss of more than two Bronze Tokens (as opposed to those where the Player chooses Tokens to discard) are reduced by two Bronze Tokens. { Comments: This makes Knip a bit too bizarre, otherwise. And let's make it a two-Bronze discount, since nobody seems to be bothering with these things... } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 443 - Spinning Jenny [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.7.6 (Straddling Nancy) to:- A Player may, after Moving eir Piece normally, Straddle from a Station that has a Token Stack, permitting em to continue on to another Station. This Straddle may be from the Player's Piece position (a "Standing" Straddle), or from a Station adjacent to eir Piece position in the Line Direction of its last Move Segment (a "Running" Straddle). Straddling is performed with the post-Move Action of "[Straddling to ]", where is a valid Straddle Destination. A Straddle Destination is valid if its distance from the starting location is less than or equal to the number of Tokens in the Stack at the starting location. In addition, Running Straddles may only be performed in the Piece's Line Direction. Although not considered to pass through any intervening Stations, the Straddle Destination must be a valid Move with respect to all of the "Blocks, Impediments and Gaps" restrictions in Rule 1.5.0. If a Player performs a successful Straddle during eir Turn, e may perform no Aggressive Actions (those requiring Red Token expenditure) for the remainder of that Turn. { Comments : Rewording with little loss - the "considered to occur after all other Actions" seemed a little strange and didn't appear to add anything positive; the aggressive limit seems wise, though, and has been kept. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 444 - Indicator possessions [Enactment] {Comment: This proposal, which I failed to propose last week, is a reaction to the possibility of states such as Spoon Clamp and Drone Stick being stolen or blown up: however it brings in a new object class - indicators - for compatibility with future single-player states. } Certain possessions are Indicators; each such Indicative possession must be linked to one or more single-player state(s). These possessions indicate that the owner is in the related state(s). No Indicator possession may be owned by a Player not in the related state, and all Players in a State must possess at least one of the possessions related to that state. Indicator possessions may not be passed between players or destroyed by any means other than as explicitly stated by the rules regarding that specific possession. The following indicative possessions are defined here, and elsewhere in the ruleset: Possession | Related state(s) | Rule(s) ---------------+------------------------+------------- Spoon Clamp | Player is in Spoon | Rule 1.7.4 Drone Stick | Player is Drone Keeper | Rule 1.15.1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 445 - Sticky Situations [Other, Multiple] {Comments: Rewording the Drone Stick a little, and fixing it a little} 1. Luggage mixup [Amendment] Remove the sentence 'The current Drone Keeper shall possess the Drone Stick.' from rule 1.4.12 (The Luggage) { Comment: What's that doing there?} 2. Sticking points. [Amendment] Amend 1.15.1 (Nyurmenyurmenyurmen) as follows: Remove 'the holder of which shall be detailed on the Game State Document' from the first paragraph. In it's place, add the words: 'indicated on the Game State Document by the Drone Stick possession. Only one Drone Stick may exist in any Game at any one time.' Append 'The Actioning player gains the Drone Stick.' to the second paragraph. In the third paragraph, replace the sentence: 'The Drone then becomes Inactive and the next Player to take a Turn should update the Game State Document appropriately.', with this sentence: 'The Drone then becomes Inactive and the next Player to take a Turn in the relevant Game should remove the Drone Stick possession from the relinquishing Player.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 446 - Boast Pox [Amendment] { Comment: Boasting never really seems to have caught on, so this Proposal removes it whilst maintaining the requirement for records of completed Games. } { Speaker's Comment: Expect an all-new Game Archive section for the Web page to appear later today, by the way; I took the old one down pending its rewriting, if any of you wondered where it had gone. } Amend Rule 1.1.5 (Boasting Wall) so that it reads as follows: "There shall exist an Official Document known as the Game Archive. For each Game that has ended, the Game Archive shall include a link to a copy of the final Game State Document submitted to the mailing list for that Game." Rename Rule 1.1.5 to "Game Archive" { Comment: Apologies for the removal of whimsy here, but as I say the whole concept of Boasting doesn't really seem to have taken off. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Tue Jul 21 08:08:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >434 Radioactivity 2 6 3 - Fails I'm disappointed. >[a] "Overground" Stations are now known as "British Rail" Stations. Although > this gives us the pleasing image of BR Hats, it renders all Overground > Hats obsolete. I really should have covered that in the Proposal. > Er, whoops. Point of Order! dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Tue Jul 21 08:19:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Proposal 442 - Red Card [Amendment] When was the last time anyone actually bought a railcard? I've always felt the benefits didn't justify the cost, which is why I proposed the teleport thing, but that turned out to be useless too -- didn't do anything to increase the popularity of railcards -- so I'm all for this proposal, but why not just get rid of railcards altogether? >Proposal 444 - Indicator possessions [Enactment] This is pure nonsense. Unnecessarily complicated to the point of incomprehensibility. Sorry. Surely it would just be so much simpler to do away with drone sticks and spoon clamps and go back to the old ways? dave From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 21 08:36:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>[a] "Overground" Stations are now known as "British Rail" Stations. Although >> this gives us the pleasing image of BR Hats, it renders all Overground >> Hats obsolete. I really should have covered that in the Proposal. >> Er, whoops. > >Point of Order! Yers. Consider it done - all Players owning Overground Hats lose them and gain British Rail Hats. Mere semantics rather than drastic effects, so this needn't be taken to an Emergency Proposal. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "You said I was ill, and you were not wrong." -- The Smiths, "These Things Take Time" From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 21 08:36:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19300 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jul 1998 15:36:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1998 15:36:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10304 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:32:05 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10294 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:32:01 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p29.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.29]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA25965 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:31:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:31:56 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807211531.QAA25965@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 13: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Proposal 442 - Red Card [Amendment] > >When was the last time anyone actually bought a railcard? I've always felt the >benefits didn't justify the cost, which is why I proposed the teleport thing, >but that turned out to be useless too -- didn't do anything to increase the >popularity of railcards -- so I'm all for this proposal, but why not just get >rid of railcards altogether? One of my ideas that seemed a good one at the time. A one-off payment to make certain costs cheaper seemed quite a good idea - whether it's disuse is because of its uselessness, people's apathy or mere oversight, I can't say. I've tried to go for one a few times, but the Game's ended before I got the Bronzes together. >>Proposal 444 - Indicator possessions [Enactment] > >This is pure nonsense. Unnecessarily complicated to the point of >incomprehensibility. Sorry. > >Surely it would just be so much simpler to do away with drone sticks and spoon >clamps and go back to the old ways? I think having a Drone Stick instead of a Drone Keeper position is probably a good thing - it clears up space on the GSD, and doesn't affect things too much. Spoon Clamping's benefits are arguably minimal, but the clarification they give doesn't come at too great a cost, so I'm for it. This Proposal does seem superfluous, though. And personally I quite like the idea of Player's stealing the Drone Stick off of each other. If we make it a Small Possession, then it can always be Nantucket'd at the expense of not being able to Move the Drone that Round... >Proposal 446 - Boast Pox [Amendment] > >{ Comment: Boasting never really seems to have caught on, so this Proposal > removes it whilst maintaining the requirement for records of completed > Games. } [nods] Pity that nobody ever used it much, yes, but still. Probably wise to snip it away. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Don't ask me what I'm doing; there's no career that I'm pursuing." -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "I'm Not Even Going To Try" From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 21 12:58:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14487 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Jul 1998 19:58:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 1998 19:58:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24193 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:49:38 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24177 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:49:31 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p45.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.45]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA17399 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:49:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:49:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807211949.UAA17399@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game Archive and HTML Ruleset Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just to vaguely herald the upload of the new-look Game Archive and the HTML Ruleset, which crawl to the Innotts server in another window as I type. The former is of little consequence, but the latter is the most recent outpouring of the thing I've written to convert the ASCII ruleset into aesthetically-pleasing HTML. It's still rather messy and tends to fall foul of quite a few things, but any comments upon its general appearance and style would be welcomed. Both are linked from the main Mornomic page, which is (as I'm sure you all know) at http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/mornomic Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "After all, what are birthdays? Here today and gone tomorrow." -- Eeyore From Wed Jul 22 00:09:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21806 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1998 07:09:10 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1998 07:09:10 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA22273 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:07:33 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22270 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:07:25 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id RAA05029; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:07:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma004970; Wed, 22 Jul 98 17:06:40 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:06:45 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01C6@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 4 Bzzzzt - on Dunx, PaulWay and Grimace! Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:06:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Poor PaulWay. Buzzed at every turn. It's just not fair. Maybe you > could just > buzz Grimace, which would protect PaulWay from being buzzed. > As I'm also labouring under a throat infection, and have no access to mail save that through work, I shall have to play when I can (like now, coming in very late to grab some paperwork...) Have whatever fun you can muster at short notice, Paul From Wed Jul 22 01:26:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10016 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1998 08:26:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1998 08:26:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25947 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:25:28 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25942 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:25:23 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04262 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:25:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 22 Jul 1998 08:25:18 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA25786; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:25:16 +0100 Message-Id: <199807220825.JAA25786@uks447> Date: 22 Jul 98 09:19:12 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: PaulWay's Incapacity X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 22-Jul-98 08:06 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >As I'm also labouring under a throat infection, and have no access to >mail save that through work, I shall have to play when I can (like now, >coming in very late to grab some paperwork...) It probably doesn't need saying, but get well soon. Hope whatever foul concoction you've been prescribed doesn't reduce your own abilities in the fun-grabbing department. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Jul 22 09:15:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15970 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1998 16:15:03 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1998 16:15:03 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05296 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:13:52 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05292 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:13:47 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA06901 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:13:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 22 Jul 1998 16:13:45 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA24330; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:13:44 +0100 Message-Id: <199807221613.RAA24330@uks447> Date: 22 Jul 98 17:10:37 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 17-Jul-98 09:48 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 6 | 4 4 2 1 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 6 | 1 1 0 1 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 3 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 3 1 3 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 1 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 2 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1400 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,O) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| Bk | Stockwell | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] { Comment: I hate to do this, but not so much that it's going to stop me... sorry Paul. Anyway - I'm still blocking Barbican in order to stop Grimace having to be charitable again in not shunting me. In full and as before: +1 Br (zone pass) +1 Bu (four line interchange) -1 Re (block, on Putney Bridge) Tempers fuggit, as Nanny Ogg would still say. Like I say, best wishes for your illness Paul but need to keep things going... } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Elusive Wed Jul 22 13:22:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16549 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1998 20:21:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1998 20:21:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA18537 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:20:54 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18533 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:20:47 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p70.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.70]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA21500 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:20:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:20:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807222020.VAA21500@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Elusive Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 6 | 4 4 2 1 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 6 | 1 1 0 1 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 3 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 3 1 3 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 3 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 2 | 3 0 2 1 2 0 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1500 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| Bk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | Re | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] { Comment: Time, etc. +1 Gold for Token Running +1 Br for Zone 3 +1 Bk for Same Line -1 Re for Blocking (to Stockwell). Changed Overground Hats to British Rail. Yay. Dunx - Added your Red token at Putney Bridge to the token stack for you. =) } From Kevan Davis Wed Jul 22 13:23:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18574 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1998 20:23:23 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1998 20:23:23 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA18604 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:22:29 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18601 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:22:22 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p70.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.70]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA21594 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:22:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:22:16 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807222022.VAA21594@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 6 | 4 4 2 1 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 6 | 1 1 0 1 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 3 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 3 1 3 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 3 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 2 | 4 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1600 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| Bk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | Re | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] { Comment: Ludicrum tempus fugit +1 Bronze for a Zone 3 Move +1 Black for a same-Liner +1 Gold and +2 Silver for the Gambit } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Do you reminisce in black and white?" -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "Black and White" From Kevan Davis Wed Jul 22 13:30:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27202 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jul 1998 20:30:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1998 20:30:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA18718 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:27:20 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18715 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:27:15 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p70.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.70]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA21910 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:27:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:27:10 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807222027.VAA21910@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 6 | 4 4 2 1 2 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 6 | 1 1 0 1 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 3 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 3 1 3 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 3 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 1 | 4 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1600 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| Bk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | Re | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] { Comment: Resubmitted with new, improved, correct LV in the Token Table. Not really that drastic and likely to be corrected by the next Player, but I thought I'd do this to save time, were it Buzzed. We could really use a "the following things should be corrected, not Buzzed" list... -- Ludicrum tempus fugit +1 Bronze for a Zone 3 Move +1 Black for a same-Liner +1 Gold and +2 Silver for the Gambit } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "It's cold and it's wet, and a knell of regret is pealing throughout every town." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "He Who Would Valium Take" From Thu Jul 23 01:10:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18590 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1998 08:10:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1998 08:10:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA19607 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:09:32 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19604 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:09:27 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14560 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:09:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 23 Jul 1998 08:09:25 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA20979; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:09:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199807230809.JAA20979@uks447> Date: 23 Jul 98 09:06:55 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 22-Jul-98 21:20 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Julie wrote: > Dunx - Added your Red token at Putney Bridge to the token stack for >you. =) Thanks - as PaulWay has already said, experience does not prevent idiocy. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Graeme Jefferis Thu Jul 23 01:33:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6442 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1998 08:33:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1998 08:33:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20556 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:32:49 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20552 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:32:42 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzGnn-0005uE-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:32:39 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3821PW8V>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:37:01 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'Kevan Davis'" , "'Mornomic list'" Subject: MN: Inactivity. Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:37:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I shall be inactive from this Monday (27th July) through to Wednesday the 12th of August. Sorry 'bout that. Thanks, -Graeme. From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Thu Jul 23 02:49:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1373 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1998 09:49:21 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1998 09:49:21 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24195 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:46:55 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24190 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:46:50 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA25587; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:48:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:15:49 +0100 Message-Id: <98072310154918@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 4 5 3 3 0 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 0 | 1 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 0 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 3 1 3 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 3 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 1 | 4 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1700 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B, T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| Bk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] {Comment: Easy Money Game Time Updated LV+3 -1 Re: shunt on PW +1 Go: from PW -1 Re: double-shunt on Grimace +1 Go: from Grimace (all and sundry's LV reset to zero) +1 Br: zone pass held -1 Bk: Line Change +1 Bk: Moving to 3-line Interchange +1 Bu: Passing through 4 Interchanges All spent tokens on Putney Bridge. } From Kevan Davis Thu Jul 23 03:21:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27079 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1998 10:21:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1998 10:21:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25888 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:19:55 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25885 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:19:51 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p29.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.29]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA04141 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:19:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:19:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807231019.LAA04141@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 8 - Applause Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) > [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] > [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] > [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [applause from the cheap seats] Brilliance. I suppose these barely-usable Rules are worth it for the few occasions when someone manages to pull them off. All lower-case kudos to you, sir. Maybe I should think about setting up a "classic Moves" section in the Game Archive... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I'd rather take the by-the-way, the one you turned down yesterday to be with he who rules the roost at barbecues." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Children of Apocalyptic Techstep" From Thu Jul 23 03:38:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6921 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1998 10:38:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1998 10:38:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26797 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:37:30 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26794 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:37:24 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA05253 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:37:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 23 Jul 1998 10:37:21 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09283; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:37:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199807231037.LAA09283@uks447> Date: 23 Jul 98 11:34:16 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 - Yikes! X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 23-Jul-98 10:15 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) > [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] > [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] > [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Blimey. Cunning bit of exploitation of a hole in the ruleset, there - forgot to tweak this one in line with single shunts, which is irritating. Properly, this should be illegal since PaulWay is on the H&C where Grimace is on the Bakerloo but, as I say, very good play to spot the opportunity! -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle URL: http://ukp6612.uk.oracle.com/dunx/index.html From Graeme Jefferis Thu Jul 23 04:39:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32668 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1998 11:39:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1998 11:39:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29745 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:38:11 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29740 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:38:06 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzJh1-0007Zq-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:37:52 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3821PW9G>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:42:08 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 8 - Yikes! Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:42:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > >Properly, this should be illegal since PaulWay is on the H&C where >Grimace is on the Bakerloo but, as I say, very good play to spot >the opportunity! Do you really think that should be made illegal? Double-shunts are rare enough as it stands without making them more difficult. Grand congratulations to dave there, of course. Well done sir. -Graeme. > From Graeme Jefferis Thu Jul 23 05:16:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1578 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1998 12:16:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1998 12:16:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA31760 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:15:54 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA31757 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:15:50 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzKHl-0002UR-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:15:50 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3821PW9L>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:20:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 8 Special Bonus Prize Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:20:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >-1 Re: shunt on PW >+1 Go: from PW >-1 Re: double-shunt on Grimace >+1 Go: from Grimace >(all and sundry's LV reset to zero) >+1 Br: zone pass held >-1 Bk: Line Change >+1 Bk: Moving to 3-line Interchange >+1 Bu: Passing through 4 Interchanges And just for added annoyance, you're granted a bonus prize of one silver token (rule 1.10.2), which I'll update for you when I play my move tonight. Hmmm... -Graeme. From Thu Jul 23 05:34:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: Re: MN: RE: Game 8 - Yikes! X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 23-Jul-98 12:42 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Properly, this should be illegal since PaulWay is on the H&C where >>Grimace is on the Bakerloo but, as I say, very good play to spot >>the opportunity! >Do you really think that should be made illegal? Double-shunts >are rare enough as it stands without making them more >difficult. Well, perhaps not - I was thinking in terms of consistency in that if a single-shunting Player has to be on the same line as the shuntee then that same rule ought also to apply to the double-shunting intermediary. I suppose all that's really needed is a wee bit of tidying up so that the double shunt rule doesn't make unwarranted assumptions about the single shunt rule, and so that you can't have an implied line change at a fire damaged station. It still counts as a spectacular bit of play, though. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Thu Jul 23 05:37:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 21-Jul-98 13:36 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 0 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | | miKi | Clapham North | 2 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 1200 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBkBr || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBuBr || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBrBk | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,O) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,O) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,O,C), Cigar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) miKi : [LV+2] Oval (NT) Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token from Finchley Central] PaulWay : Forced Pass { Comment: Once again, an apology to Paul - sorry for taking advantage. Game Time advanced PaulWay's LV zeroed } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Graeme Jefferis Thu Jul 23 05:46:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6822 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1998 12:46:34 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1998 12:46:34 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00331 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:45:22 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00328 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:45:18 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yzKkE-0004wD-00; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:45:17 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3821PW9T>; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:49:30 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: RE: Game 8 - Yikes! Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:49:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > >>Do you really think that should be made illegal? Double-shunts >>are rare enough as it stands without making them more >>difficult. > >Well, perhaps not - I was thinking in terms of consistency in that >if a single-shunting Player has to be on the same line as the shuntee >then that same rule ought also to apply to the double-shunting >intermediary. > Yes, I see that argument. But I think leaving it be makes for a potentially much more interesting game. >It still counts as a spectacular bit of play, though. Oh, yes! One I hadn't even considered happening, as well. A classic in all senses. -Graeme. From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Thu Jul 23 06:12:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3454 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jul 1998 13:12:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 1998 13:12:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01873 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:11:48 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01870 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:11:44 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA22009; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:13:35 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:00:30 +0100 Message-Id: <98072314003044@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: RE: Game 8 Special Bonus Prize X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >And just for added annoyance, you're granted a bonus prize >of one silver token (rule 1.10.2), which I'll update for you >when I play my move tonight. Hmmm... Marvellous. And very sporting of you. I have to confess it was a nice bit of luck that allowed the double shunt -- originally I only intended to shunt PaulWay, but thatt had to be back along the H&C, which appeared to leave him at the same station as Grimace..... As to the 'suspect' wording, the rule is actually quite clear in permitting what I did: "the Double Shunt may take place along a different line to the original Shunt, as under Rule 1.5.1 a Player's position is defined by Station rather than by Line" What fun. dave From Thu Jul 23 12:24:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 4 5 3 3 0 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 0 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 3 1 3 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 3 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 1 | 4 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1800 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B, T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| Bk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Courier Call : Harrow & Wealdstone to Stepney Green | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) [Courier Call] { Comment: Time etc. Crawling away to recuperate. dave gets a bonus Silver. I get a same-lining Black and a sinking feeling. I did, however, smile at Queens Park's BR connection, which I just spotted is represented on the map by a single-line interchange. } From Thu Jul 23 12:25:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 0 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 5 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 3 | 3 | | miKi | Clapham North | 2 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 1300 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBkBr || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBuBr || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBrBk | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,B) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,B) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,B,C), Cigar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) miKi : [LV+2] Oval (NT) Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token from Finchley Central] PaulWay : Forced Pass Grimace : Hatton Cross (DS) [Using the Heathrow Pickup Manouevre] { Comment: Time etc. +1 Go, +2 Si, +4 Br. Belated and ultimately useless gambitry. +1 Bk, same line. -1 Bu, knipped away. On Finchley Central. } From Thu Jul 23 23:41:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 4 5 3 3 0 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 0 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 3 1 3 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 3 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 1 | 4 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1800 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B, T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| Bk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) { Comment: Time etc. Crawling away to recuperate. The Courier Called station was in the same quadrant as myself, and so has been removed. dave gets a bonus Silver. I get a same-lining Black and a sinking feeling. I did, however, smile at Queens Park's BR connection, which I just spotted is represented on the map by a single-line interchange. } From Richard Brockie Fri Jul 24 10:42:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9539 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Jul 1998 17:42:41 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 1998 17:42:41 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20028 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:41:03 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20010 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:40:58 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:40:49 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:40:39 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 0 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 0 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 5 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 3 | 3 | | miKi | Clapham North | 2 | 3 | 3 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 1400 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBkBr || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBuBr || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBrBk | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReRe | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,B) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,B) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,B,C), Cigar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) miKi : [LV+2] Oval (NT) Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token from Finchley Central] PaulWay : Forced Pass Grimace : Hatton Cross (PD) [Using the Heathrow Pickup Manouevre] miKi : Embankment (NT) { Comment: Grimace's line code corrected, e had stated (DS)!!! +1 Black for same line, +1 Bronze for zone pass, +1 Blue for interchange with 4 lines, -1 Bronze for knip - Dollis Hill. Game time etc... } From Sun Jul 26 06:25:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29850 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jul 1998 13:25:36 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 1998 13:25:36 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA22144 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:24:50 +0100 Received: from relay3.force9.net (relay3.force9.net [195.166.128.26]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22141 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:24:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199807261324.OAA22141@q...> Received: (qmail 16653 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1998 13:27:04 -0000 Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by relay3.force9.net with SMTP; 26 Jul 1998 13:27:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 25515 invoked from network); 26 Jul 1998 13:19:43 -0000 Received: from 162.hiper02.shef.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.144.162) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 26 Jul 1998 13:19:43 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Votes Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:25:36 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Ah. Not sure if I've voted yet or not. If I have already, then please disregard these. Proposal 441 - Unattended Luggage [Other, Multiple] : FOR Proposal 442 - Red Card [Amendment] : FOR Proposal 443 - Spinning Jenny [Amendment] : FOR Proposal 446 - Boast Pox [Amendment] : FOR Thanks, -Graeme. From Sun Jul 26 23:53:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18798 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1998 06:53:53 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1998 06:53:53 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08841 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:52:40 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08838 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:52:33 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id QAA25737; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:52:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma025657; Mon, 27 Jul 98 16:52:09 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:52:00 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01C8@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:51:54 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 4 5 3 3 0 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 1 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 3 1 3 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 3 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 1 | 4 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1900 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B, T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] { Comment: Time updated. -1 Bk (Different line) on KCSP } From Sun Jul 26 23:56:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20075 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1998 06:56:00 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1998 06:56:00 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08874 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:54:41 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08869 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:54:36 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id QAA26391; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:54:32 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma026334; Mon, 27 Jul 98 16:54:22 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:54:13 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01C9@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: PaulWay's Incapacity Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:54:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Wednesday, July 22, 1998 6:19 PM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > It probably doesn't need saying, but get well soon. Hope whatever foul > concoction you've been prescribed doesn't reduce your own abilities in the > fun-grabbing department. Thanks. It actually wasn't as bad as it sounds, although there were some times where swallowing was a little more difficult than I'd like... but it didn't slow me down enough in the things I wanted to do. Now I'm back. I can see this was a mistake :-) eh, dave? Paul From Mon Jul 27 00:17:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29545 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1998 07:17:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1998 07:17:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA09262 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:16:32 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09259 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:16:26 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id RAA29816; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:16:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma029741; Mon, 27 Jul 98 17:15:54 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:15:41 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01CA@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: RE: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:15:38 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 4 5 3 3 0 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 1 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 3 1 3 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 3 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 1 | 4 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 1900 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B, T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] { Comment: Time updated. -1 Bk (Different line) on KCSP +1 Bk (three-line interchange) Sorry about that, forgot completely. } From Mon Jul 27 11:28:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8606 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1998 18:28:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1998 18:28:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA22822 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:25:42 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22817 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:25:30 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01744 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:25:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 27 Jul 1998 18:25:06 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA17666; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:25:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199807271825.TAA17666@uks447> Date: 27 Jul 98 19:18:54 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 24-Jul-98 18:40 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 1 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 0 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 5 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 3 | 3 | | miKi | Clapham North | 2 | 3 | 3 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 1500 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBkBr || Morden | ReBkBrBr | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBr || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBuBr || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBrBk | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReReBk | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,B) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,B) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,B,C), Cigar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) miKi : [LV+2] Oval (NT) Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token from Finchley Central] PaulWay : Forced Pass Grimace : Hatton Cross (PD) [Using the Heathrow Pickup Manouevre] miKi : Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) { Comment: Apologies for my slowness - I'm enjoying a week of gardening and other miscellaneous entertainments at home, so I am not as poised at the incoming email box as I would usually be. Anyway... +1 Bk (same line) -1 Bk (Knip - on Dollis Hill) Game Time incremented somewhat. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Mon Jul 27 11:29:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9070 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jul 1998 18:29:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1998 18:29:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA22895 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:28:27 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22891 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:28:19 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01922 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:28:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 27 Jul 1998 18:28:17 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA17784; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:28:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199807271828.TAA17784@uks447> Date: 27 Jul 98 19:24:23 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 27-Jul-98 08:15 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 4 5 3 3 0 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 1 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 4 1 4 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 3 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 1 | 4 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 2000 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B, T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) { Comment: Just a straightforward move. +1 Bk (same line) +1 Br (zone card) Game Time pushed forward that extra fraction of a degree. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Mon Jul 27 20:50:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:48:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 1 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 1 | | Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 5 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 3 | 3 | | miKi | Clapham North | 2 | 3 | 3 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 1600 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBkBr || Morden | ReBkBrBrBkBk | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBrBuBu || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBuBr || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBrBk | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReReBk | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,B) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,B) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,B,C), Cigar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) miKi : [LV+2] Oval (NT) Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token from Finchley Central] PaulWay : Forced Pass Grimace : Hatton Cross (PD) [Using the Heathrow Pickup Manouevre] miKi : Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] [Gold to Blue] [Out of Knip] Tower Hill (DL via EL) [Collecting Hat (British Rail)] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] { Comment: Game Time advanced (none of that 'novice' stuff :-). 00mins -1Bk (change of Line) on Morden 10mins +1Go (token run) 00mins -1Go (Gold to Blue) disappears 00mins +4Bu (Blue from Gold) 10mins -4Bu (out of Knip) on Brixton and Finchley Central 00mins +1Re (two-liner) 00mins +1Re (two-interchanger) 10mins -3Br (zone pass) disappear Incidentally, play is OK with thirteen token stacks, because we're not 'place[ing] a Token on a Stack [... that] would be the first Token of a Stack and there are already twelve Token Stacks in play'. I.e. if a thirteenth is formed somehow (either a missed illegal move or a legal loophole) then Token placement is legal from there. } From Elusive Tue Jul 28 03:19:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 4 5 3 3 0 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 1 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 4 1 4 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 3 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 1 | 4 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 2100 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B, T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | Boston Manor | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) { Comment: Game Time, etc. -1 Black for Wild (to Boston Manor) +1 Bronze for Zone 3 } From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 28 03:35:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 4 5 3 3 0 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 1 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 4 1 4 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 3 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 4 | 5 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 2200 | +---------------+| Neasden |+----------------+ +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hyde Park Corner || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B, T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | Boston Manor | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit. +1 Black for a same-Liner -1 Bronze for the Twix } From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Tue Jul 28 04:12:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19473 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1998 11:12:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1998 11:12:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09938 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:11:59 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09935 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:11:56 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA10203; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:14:02 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:48:27 +0100 Message-Id: <98072811482727@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 4 3 4 3 1 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 1 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 4 1 4 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 3 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 4 | 5 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Mon 2300 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | Boston Manor | Bk | |Southfields | BkBuBuSi | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] {Comment: Game Time moved on +1 AtoZ hat -1Bk: different line (on Southfields) +1Br: zone pass held +1Re: passing 2 interchanges +1Bk: 3-line interchange -2Bu,-1Si: Circle anticlockwised (all on Southfields) I believe that move lasted exactly 1 hour } From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 28 05:38:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 14: Voting Results for Week 13 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 441 Unattended Luggage 4 7 - - Enacts 1.4.22, Amends 1.7.4/16 442 Red Card 3 7 1 - Amends 1.4.5 443 Spinning Jenny 4 7 - - Amends 1.7.6 444 Indicator Possessions - 7 4 - Fails 445 Sticky Situations 2 7 2 - Fails 446 Boast Pox 4 7 - - Amends 1.1.5 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 441 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - FOR - - - - - 442 (Kevan) AGA FOR FOR - - FOR - - - - - 443 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - FOR - - - - - 444 (Grimace) AGA AGA - - - AGA AGA - - - - 445 (Grimace) AGA FOR - - - FOR AGA - - - - 446 (Dunx) FOR - FOR - - FOR FOR - - - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 21 26 5 0 29 5 44 4 3 1 0 Halved: 10 13 2 22 2 1 FOR Votes: +0 +4 +0 +11 +0 +0 AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -1 -0 -0 Decisiveness: +3 +3 I I I +3 +3 +0 +0 I I Voting/Own: -0 -0 n n n -0 -0 -0 -0 n n a a a a a Passed EPs: +0 +0 c c c +0 +0 +0 +0 c c Failed EPs: -0 -0 t t t -0 -0 -0 -0 t t Dead Wood: +0 +0 i i i +0 +0 +0 +0 i i Finger/Pulse: +0 +0 v v v +0 +5 +0 +0 v v e e e e e Award Ceremony: +0 +3 +0 +3 +0 +0 [a] Final Kudos: 13 23 5 0 29 5 43 2 1 1 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 1 1 2 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - Dunx (Boast Pox) Mrs Trellis Award - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 28 05:38:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Fourteen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 447 - Millennium Drone [Amendment] 1. Brian, Where's The Pollen? [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.15.1 (Nyurmenyurmenyurmen) to read:- In each Game of Mornington Crescent, there shall be a Player known as the Drone, with a name of "Drone". When it is the Drone's Turn, if any Player is carrying the Drone Stick, that Player may submit the Drone's Turn. If the Drone Stick is carried by the Drone, or by an Inactive Player, or if the Drone Stick is not in play, the Drone is treated as being Inactive. The Drone has no Home Station, may not perform the "[Home:]" Action, and is exempt from any Rules defining penalties or bonuses for having a Home Station. The Drone may not Win the Game. 2. Here, Boy [Enactment] There exists a type of Small, Unique Possession known as the Drone Stick. Any Player may perform the Action "[Claiming Drone Stick]", unless the Drone has not taken a Turn since the Drone Stick was created or last taken from another Player. Upon performing this Action, the current holder (if any) of the Drone Stick loses that Possession, and the Actioning Player gains a Drone Stick. { Comments : Slightly amusingly, the current wording of the Drone Rule states no actual effect for performing the "[Drone Keeper]" Action... But still. Non-Sticky so that the Stick can be Discarded to relinquish control of the Drone, and left free of "may not be stolen in Shunts" to make play more interesting (it *is* small, so can be Nantucketed at the cost of not being able to move the Drone that Round)... } 3. Unique Opportunity [Enactment] Certain Possessions may possess the "Unique" attribute. If, for any reason, more than one instance of a single Unique Possession is in play, the most recently-created instance is immediately destroyed. If more than one instance of a Unique Possession is created simultaneously, all but one of those instances are immediately destroyed. 4. Superceded By Technology [Amendment] Throughout the Ruleset, replace the "[Drone Keeper]" Action with the "[Claiming Drone Stick]" Action. 5. Fetch [Amendment] Remove the sentence "The current Drone Keeper shall possess the Drone Stick." from Rule 1.4.12 (The Luggage), if present. 6. Nobody Loves Me Any More [Amendments] In Rule 1.1.2 (A New Game), remove "There is no Drone Keeper." from the list of new Game aspects, and mention of "Drone Keeper" from Rule 1.2.0 (The Game State Document). 7. The Drone Ranger [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.21.1 (D'ya wanna be in my gang?) to:- The Drone's Team is considered to be that of the Player which holds the Drone Stick. If the Drone Stick does not exist, or is held by the Drone, the Drone has no Team. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 448 - Windsor Castle [Amendment] In Rule 1.1.1 (How to Win), replace: "If a Player has made a Move to Mornington Crescent" with: "If a Player has won the Game" { Comments: Not terribly drastic, but arguably a sticking point. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 449 - The Dark Side [Other, Multiple] 1. The Podume of Infinite Darkness [Enactment] There shall exist a Small, Unique, Sticky Possession known as the Podume of Infinite Darkness, which may be present on the Map; a PoID's presence is indicated as a Token Stack with the text "PoID", at that Station. If there is no PoID in play, any Player may perform the Action of "[Forging PoID]" to bring the PoID into play, in eir Possession. If a Player is carrying the Podume of Infinite Darkness, e may not be the target of any Action which directly targets a Player (ie. any Action with the String ""), nor may e Move to Mornington Crescent or pass through Holy Stations. If a Player carrying the Podume of Infinite Darkness ends any Turn at a Holy Station, the Podume is destroyed. If a Player is carrying the Podume of Infinite Darkness, e may perform the post-Move Action of "[PoID on ]" to place the PoID at a Station, where "" is any Station which the Actioning Player's Piece has passed through this Turn, or started or ended its Move at. If the Podume of Infinite Darkness is located at a Station:- * No Player may perform the Action "[LV+X]". * No Player may perform an Action which targets another Player (ie. any Action with the String ""). * All Holy Stations are treated as being Blocked. If a Player has passed through the Station containing the PoID during eir Turn, e may perform the Action "[Collecting PoID]" to place the PoID in eir Luggage. { Comments : My Delphi lore is particularly rusty, and I can't remember the Podume cropping up much at York - I hope this doesn't contradict too much. } 2. Alchemy [Amendment] To Rule 1.17.5 (Post-Move Actions), add:- [Collecting PoID] 1.7.x none [Forging PoID] 1.7.x 30 mins -4 Bk -2 Si 3. Another Unique Opportunity [Enactment] Certain Possessions may possess the "Unique" attribute. If, for any reason, more than one instance of a single Unique Possession is in play, the most recently-created instance is immediately destroyed. If more than one instance of a Unique Possession is created simultaneously, all but one of those instances are immediately destroyed. This Rule shall Repeal itself if a Rule called "Unique Opportunity" exists within the Ruleset already. Otherwise, this paragraph shall remove itself from the Rule upon its Enactment, and the Rule shall be renamed to "Unique Opportunity". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 450 - The Dirty Two Dozen [Amendment] Amend Rule 1.14.3 so that in its third paragraph the number 'twelve' is replaced with the number 'twenty four'. { Comment: I don't think twelve is enough, that's all. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 451 - I was young and foolish then... [other, multiple] {Comment: a reworking of the Radioactivity proposal without the stuff about Non-voting, since I presume (or rather, I hope) it was that which caused it to fail, and with some tidying up. All in all it should be a finely honed proposal, but I'm bound to have overlooked something...} 1. Radioactivity Mk II [amendment] Rename Rule 0.3.1 to 'Players and Player States' and amend it to read as follows: Anyone may apply to join Mornington Nomic by sending a request in an email to the Speaker (see Rule 0.3.2) stating that they wish to join the game, and giving a one-word Name by which they wish to be known. The Speaker will then determine whether the application is successful. Any successful applicant becomes a Player. The Speaker's decision is final in this matter. There are two Player States: Active and Inactive. A Player may change eir Player State at any time by sending a message to the list announcing the change, which will take effect immediately. New Players are Active by default. A Player may at any time post a message to the mailing list announcing a desire to change the Name e uses in Mornington Nomic. This change shall take effect at the end of the current Game Week or after three days, whichever is later, provided that no other Player objects to the change of Name before then. All Players must always abide by all the Rules. 2. The Speaker [enactment] {Comment: I'm (still) working on the assumption that if enacted this will become 0.3.2 (see above)} One Player shall hold the office of Speaker. The Speaker's role is to maintain the ruleset, distribute proposals and voting results, and perform various other functions as specified by rules. If the Speaker is unable, unwilling, or prevented by a rule, from fulfilling any of eir tasks, e may desginate a Deputy to take responsibility for those tasks (either temporarily or permanently). Any other Player who is willing and able is a valid candidate for the role of Deputy Speaker. Throughout the Ruleset, the term 'Speaker' shall be read as meaning the Speaker or Deputy Speaker, as appropriate. {Comment: perhaps the current Speaker's name and email address should be listed here for the convenience of newcomers?} 3. Inactivity [enactment] When a Player's Player State changes to Inactive, an asterisk is marked next to eir name in the Game State Document of any Games in which e is currently taking part and eir turn is skipped until e changes eir state back to Active. 4. Fight for the Right [amendment] Rename Rule 0.5.2 (How to Vote) to "Voting and Proposal Adoption" and amend it to read as follows. All Active Players may cast votes on current Proposals by sending eir votes in an email to the Speaker with a subject line of 'MN: Votes'. If the email does not have this subject line, votes may be considered invalid. Inactive players may not vote. Any votes cast by Inactive Players are invalid. Valid votes are FOR, AGAINST or PASS. Any other vote is invalid. No votes may be revealed by the Speaker before the end of the Nomic Week in which they are cast. Each Voter has exactly one vote per Proposal. If a Player attempts to vote for a single Proposal more than once, only the latest valid vote shall be counted. In order for a Proposal to be adopted, it must achieve Quorum and receive more votes FOR than AGAINST. 5. Your Presence is Required [amendment] Rename Rule 0.5.4 (Quorum) to "Abstentions and Quorum" and amend it to read as follows: Any Active Player who does not vote or who submits an invalid vote shall be deemed to have abstained. Inactive Players are never counted as having abstained. If the total of abstentions exceeds the total of valid votes (i.e. votes FOR, AGAINST or PASS), the Proposal fails to reach Quorum. 6. Apathy Rules, ho hum! [amendment] Renumber Rule 0.10.2 to 0.3.3 and amend it to read as follows: Each Active Player shall have an Apathy Level, with a default value of zero. Each Player's Apathy Level shall be detailed in the Voting Results document every week. For each Week in which an Active Player casts no valid Votes (unless all that Week's Proposals were eir own), eir Apathy Level increases by one. For each Week in which an Active Player casts any valid Votes (or if all that Week's Proposals were eir own), eir Apathy Level decreases by one, unless it is already zero. If a Player's Apathy Level reaches three, that Player loses all of eir Kudos and becomes Inactive. 7. Dead Wood [repeal] Repeal Rule 0.8.1 (Inactivity) 8. More trimming [repeal] Repeal Rule 0.5.3 (Rule Adoption) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 452 - Winners take Drugs [amendment] Amend the first sentence of Rule 1.1.1 (How to Win) to read as follows: The object of the game is to be the first Player to reach Mornington Crescent. {Comment: I'm just not happy with the current wording. I propose the above as a much more elegant solution, though whether or not it succeeds in that aim is for you the voters to decide. I think the stuff about pieces resting at MC is for one thing a bit dodgy and for another thing superfluous, since all the conditions for winning are described throughout the ruleset anyway.} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Richard Brockie Tue Jul 28 07:03:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28970 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1998 14:03:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1998 14:03:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA13607 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:02:02 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13599 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:01:58 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:01:51 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:01:48 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: A question... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) A clause with which I am unhappy is the following in rule 1.4.20: "A Player may perform the 20-minute Pre-Move Action of [Eating ] at the start of eir Turn, where is an Edible Possession that the Player is carrying." Does the "start of eir turn" refer to the position of the pre-move actions or the fact that the action of eating should be the very first action performed? --- miKi From Richard Brockie Tue Jul 28 07:22:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5898 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1998 14:22:10 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1998 14:22:10 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14024 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:21:30 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14021 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:21:27 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:21:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:21:08 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: Re: MN: A question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Richard Brockie wrote: > A clause with which I am unhappy is the following in rule 1.4.20: > > "A Player may perform the 20-minute Pre-Move Action of [Eating > ] at the start of eir Turn, where is an Edible > Possession that the Player is carrying." > > Does the "start of eir turn" refer to the position of the pre-move actions > or the fact that the action of eating should be the very first action > performed? Sorry for answering my own question. Using precedence, it appears that the "start of eir turn" refers to the position of the pre-move actions. From Game 6: Jonathan : [Advancing Game Time by 1 Hour] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Ignore the Gap] [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] London Bridge (NT via MP) [Shunting Dave to Oval] [Dollis Hill Wild] --- miKi From Richard Brockie Tue Jul 28 07:42:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17660 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1998 14:42:37 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1998 14:42:37 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14409 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:41:50 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14405 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:41:46 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:41:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:41:13 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 1 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 1 | |*Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 5 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 3 | 3 | | miKi | Clapham North | 4 | 2 | 3 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 1700 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBkBr || Morden | ReBkBrBrBkBk | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBrBuBu || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBuBr || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBrBk | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReReBk | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,B) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,B) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,B,C), Cigar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) miKi : [LV+2] Oval (NT) Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token from Finchley Central] PaulWay : Forced Pass Grimace : Hatton Cross (PD) [Using the Heathrow Pickup Manouevre] miKi : Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] [Gold to Blue] [Out of Knip] Tower Hill (DL via EL) [Collecting Hat (British Rail)] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] miKi : [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] [Smoking Cigar] [Opening MC] Mornington Crescent (NT via:BL,VC,NT) { Comments: Grimace is inactive until 12th August. -1 Br for purchasing Chocolate Bar: 10 mins, LV+1 from eating Chocolate Bar: 20 mins, [LV+3]: 10 mins, +1 Go from smoking: 0 mins, -3 Go for opening MC: 10 mins, -1 Bk for line change: 0 mins, move: 10 mins, +1 Br for zone pass: 0 mins, +1 Si for passing through 5 interchanges: 0 mins, Game time advanced: 0 mins, ---------- Total: 60 mins. ---------- } From Richard Brockie Tue Jul 28 07:44:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18631 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1998 14:44:03 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1998 14:44:03 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14454 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:43:00 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14446 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:42:50 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:42:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:42:42 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 4 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+--------------------+----+-----------------------------+ | Player | Home Station | LV | Tokens | | | | | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ | Dunx | Finchley Central | 1 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | |*Jon | Neasden | 5 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | |*Slakko | Dollis Hill | 0 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | | PaulWay | Oval | 3 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 1 | |*Grimace | Swiss Cottage | 1 | 5 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 3 | 3 | | miKi | Clapham North | 6 | 2 | 3 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 2 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | +------------+--------------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+ +---------------+ +-----WILD STATIONS---+ +--------------------------+ | Bridges: Down | | Gunnersbury | | Game Time: Friday 1700 | +---------------+ | Snaresbrook | +--------------------------+ +---------------+ | Pinner | +--------------------------+ | In Knip | | | | Drone Keeper: | +---------------+ +---------------------+ +--------------------------+ +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ | Mile End | ReBrBkBkBkBr || Morden | ReBkBrBrBkBk | | Camden Town | BrBrBrBrBr || Temple | ReBrBkReRe | | Brixton | BlReBrBrBuBu || Beckton | ReReReReBkRe | | Elm Park | BuBuBuBuBr || Elephant & Castle| BkBkBrBrBk | | Borough | BrBrGoBrBrBr || Dollis Hill | BrBrBkReReBk | | Oakwood | BkBkBkBkBkBk || Finchley Central | BuBuBuBuBuBu | | Charing Cross | Susp Package || East Finchley | BkReBuBuBuBu | +------------------+--------------++------------------+--------------+ +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,B) | | Jon | *Zone 4*, 1-6 Passes, Hats (C,V,T) | | Slakko | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (C,B) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat(T) | | Grimace | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (A,C,T,V) | | miKi | Zone 1-3 Pass, Hats (T,B,C), Cigar | +------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Dunx : Finchley Central (NT) Slakko : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : Dollis Hill (JL) [Victoria Wild] miKi : Dollis Hill (JL) dave : Dollis Hill (JL) [Bronze Token on Dollis Hill] Yer_Mom : Dollis Hill (JL) [Red Token on Dollis Hill] Kevan : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Red Token from Dollis Hill] [Power Failure! (JL)] Dunx : Dollis Hill (JL) [Claiming a Bronze Token from Dollis Hill] Jon : Pass (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) Grimace : Victoria (VC) [Wild] miKi : Vauxhall (VC) [Home] dave : [Home] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Hat] Yer_Mom : Willesden Green [Home] Kevan : [Home] Shepherd's Bush (CN) [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Power Restored (JL)] Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Gunnersbury Wild] Jon : [LV+2] Wembley Park (MP) [Fire at Finchley Road] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Blocking Preston Road] Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill JL) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (JL via:VC) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] [Purchasing zones 1-3 Pass] miKi : [LV+2] Brixton (VC) [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Dunx : [LV+3] Archway (NT) [Claiming a Black Token from East Finchley] Jon : Pass (Wembley Park MP) [Collecting Hat (Verdant)] Slakko : [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] Dollis Hill (JL) [Into Knip] PaulWay : Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Dunx : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Jon : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Slakko : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) PaulWay : [LV+3] Dollis Hill (JL) Grimace : [LV+2] Dollis Hill (JL) miKi : [LV+3] [Dollis Escape] [Home] Vauxhall (VC) Dunx : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Snaresbrook Wild] Jon : [LV+1] Stanmore (JL) Slakko : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) PaulWay : [Home] Oval (NL) Grimace : Pass (Dollis Hill (JL)) [Claiming a Black Token from Dollis Hill] miKi : [LV+1] Brixton [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Dunx : Pass [Out of Knip] [Straddling to Finchley Road (MP)] Jon : [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [LV+3] Westbourne Park (HC via:JL, MP, CL, DS, HC) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] Slakko : Victoria [Wild] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] PaulWay : [LV+2] Brixton (VC, via NL) [Claiming a Red token from Brixton] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : Forced Pass miKi : [LV+2] [Token Running] Clapham South (NT, via VC) [Claiming a Br Token from Brixton] [Claiming Hat (Compass)] Dunx : [LV+1] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Pinner Wild] Jon : [LV=0] [Silver to Bronze] Pass [Reshuffling] [Purchasing Railcard] [Purchasing Marmalade Sandwich] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV-1] [Token Running] Stockwell Grimace : Gunnersbury (DS) [Wild] miKi : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] King's Cross St Pancras (MP) [Collecting Hat (Overground)] Jon : [LV+3] [Eating Marmalade Sandwich] Hammersmith (HC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Embankment (NT, via VC) Grimace : [LV+2] Richmond (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] miKi : [LV+3] [Token Running] Stockwell (NT) Dunx : [LV-1] Camden Town (NT) [Straddling to Hendon Central (NT)] Slakko : [LV+2] South Kensington (DS) [Collecting Hat (Compass)] PaulWay : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Suspect Package at Charing Cross] [Claiming a Bronze token from Camden Town] [Declaring the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] Grimace : [LV+1] [Token Running] Turnham Green (DS) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] miKi : New Cross (EL via NT, WC, DL) Dunx : [LV+1] Edgware (NT) Slakko : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+1] Whitechapel (EL via NL, HC) Grimace : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Hounslow East (PD) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV-1] [Token Running] Whitechapel (EL via EL, DL, CN, HC) [Shunting PaulWay to New Cross Gate] Dunx : [LV+3] [Token Running] Hampstead (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] Wapping (EL) Grimace : [LV-2] Heathrow Terminal 4 (PD) miKi : [LV+3] Moorgate (HC) Dunx : [LV+2] Moorgate (HC via NT) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] [Shunting miKi to Clapham North (NT)] [Into Knip] PaulWay : Shoreditch (EL) Grimace : [LV-3] Heathrow Terminals 1-3 (PD) miKi : [LV+2] Oval (NT) Dunx : [Home] Finchley Central (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token from Finchley Central] PaulWay : Forced Pass Grimace : Hatton Cross (PD) [Using the Heathrow Pickup Manouevre] miKi : Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] [Gold to Blue] [Out of Knip] Tower Hill (DL via EL) [Collecting Hat (British Rail)] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] miKi : [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] [Smoking Cigar] [Opening MC] Mornington Crescent (NT via:BL,VC,NT) { Comments: (LV corrected.) Grimace is inactive until 12th August. -1 Br for purchasing Chocolate Bar: 10 mins, LV+1 from eating Chocolate Bar: 20 mins, [LV+3]: 10 mins, +1 Go from smoking: 0 mins, -3 Go for opening MC: 10 mins, -1 Bk for line change: 0 mins, move: 10 mins, +1 Br for zone pass: 0 mins, +1 Si for passing through 5 interchanges: 0 mins, Game time advanced: 0 mins, ---------- Total: 60 mins. ---------- } From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Tue Jul 28 09:51:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19819 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1998 16:51:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1998 16:51:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17454 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:50:59 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA17451 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:50:55 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA20688; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:53:02 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:30:48 +0100 Message-Id: <98072817304858@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 14: Proposals X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Proposal 447 - Millennium Drone [Amendment] Nice -- I didn't like the idea of the Drone Stick at first, but I'm coming round, especialy if the Drone Stick can be stolen, lost, dropped, whatever... Actually, I've been thinking if rather than a stick, there should be something like a remote control device... > Any Player may perform the Action "[Claiming Drone Stick]", unless the > Drone has not taken a Turn since the Drone Stick was created or last > taken from another Player. The only bit I don't like is the thing about the drone stick being 'created' -- surely it's there (somewhere) at the start of the game, just unowned? we don't have the capacity in the rules to go round 'creating' things (yet -- that will change if the PoID proposal passes). Anyway, I'd be inclined to vote for this one and tamper with it later -- maybe change the last sentence to >3. Unique Opportunity [Enactment] This really ought to be in a separate proposal. >Proposal 448 - Windsor Castle [Amendment] >Proposal 452 - Winners take Drugs [amendment] These two don't conflict do they? Good, but... >In Rule 1.1.1 (How to Win), replace: > > "If a Player has made a Move to Mornington Crescent" > >with: > > "If a Player has won the Game" Shurely the point is that the player hasn't won the game *until* other players have conceded? Thus, the proposal doesn't work. Hmmm. I may be wrong here. I'm not sure -- someone convince me. >Proposal 449 - The Dark Side [Other, Multiple] Wooo-ooooh! > If the Podume of Infinite Darkness is located at a Station:- > > * No Player may perform the Action "[LV+X]". > * No Player may perform an Action which targets another > Player (ie. any Action with the String ""). > * All Holy Stations are treated as being Blocked. Players would have to be extremely careful not to lose too much LV, or the game could end up in a serious impasse -- only wilds, homes and passes would be valid moves which means no-one could reach MC. BRILLIANT! This one deserves the Mrs Trellis award, even if it is Kevan's proposal. >3. Another Unique Opportunity [Enactment] But what if neither proposal passes? >Proposal 450 - The Dirty Two Dozen [Amendment] > I don't think twelve is enough, that's all. But is 24 perhaps too many? dave From Tue Jul 28 11:30:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3811 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1998 18:30:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1998 18:30:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA19804 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:28:14 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19801 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:28:08 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01486 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:28:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 28 Jul 1998 18:28:03 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA27667; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:28:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199807281828.TAA27667@uks447> Date: 28 Jul 98 19:25:14 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 4 - miKi's Win X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 28-Jul-98 15:42 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) miKi played: >miKi : [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] > [Smoking Cigar] [Opening MC] > Mornington Crescent (NT via:BL,VC,NT) Can't see anything wrong with that. Well played, sir. Beat me to the punch. I'm still astounded PaulWay took us out of knip, but there you go. I nearly shunted you up the Hammersmith & City line instead - I don't suppose that would have made any difference, would it? Anyway, congratulations again. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Tue Jul 28 13:07:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30860 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Jul 1998 20:07:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1998 20:07:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA22367 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:05:18 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22363 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:05:10 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p21.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.21]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA13928 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:05:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:05:04 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807282005.VAA13928@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 14: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> Any Player may perform the Action "[Claiming Drone Stick]", unless the >> Drone has not taken a Turn since the Drone Stick was created or last >> taken from another Player. > >The only bit I don't like is the thing about the drone stick being 'created' -- >surely it's there (somewhere) at the start of the game, just unowned? Possibly belonging to the Drone itself, I suppose. >we don't >have the capacity in the rules to go round 'creating' things (yet -- that will >change if the PoID proposal passes). Well, all Possessions are "created" from nothing when they're purchased, so I don't see this as being too much of an issue. >Anyway, I'd be inclined to vote for this >one and tamper with it later -- maybe change the last sentence to To...? >>3. Unique Opportunity [Enactment] > >This really ought to be in a separate proposal. Well, it's useless without any Unique Possessions existing; I thought it better to tack it onto the Proposals dealing with such things rather than put it through by itself and hope it all got through. >>In Rule 1.1.1 (How to Win), replace: >> >> "If a Player has made a Move to Mornington Crescent" >> >>with: >> >> "If a Player has won the Game" > >Shurely the point is that the player hasn't won the game *until* other players >have conceded? Thus, the proposal doesn't work. Hmmm. I may be wrong here. I'm >not sure -- someone convince me. The amended bit deals with when a Game ends; the Winningness is defined in the first paragraph ("The Winner of a Game is the first Player whose Piece rests at Mornington Crescent at the end of eir Turn."). This is just to clear up the rather nasty flaw of a Player Winning through a Straddle, but the Game never ending because it wasn't a "Move" to MC. Semantic twiddling of something Dunx is planning to rework anyway, I admit. Tish. >> If the Podume of Infinite Darkness is located at a Station:- >> >> * No Player may perform the Action "[LV+X]". >> * No Player may perform an Action which targets another >> Player (ie. any Action with the String ""). >> * All Holy Stations are treated as being Blocked. > >Players would have to be extremely careful not to lose too much LV, or the game >could end up in a serious impasse -- only wilds, homes and passes would be >valid moves which means no-one could reach MC. Well, we could always Walk or munch through Victuals. And you'd never really get to an impasse, since someone need only Wild to the Podumed Station (or Wild near it and Walk, if it's too close to the Crescent), and pick it up to end the effect. Hmm. >>3. Another Unique Opportunity [Enactment] > >But what if neither proposal passes? Then we have no need for Unique Possessions to be defined. If another comes up, then tack on another Enactment to define them. Having superfluous definition in the Ruleset isn't really that desirable. >>Proposal 450 - The Dirty Two Dozen [Amendment] > >> I don't think twelve is enough, that's all. > >But is 24 perhaps too many? I think twelve is sufficient, really. It's true that the Game can stagnate when all the Stacks are full, but (as Ben Elton said in the days when he was still funny) it'd be like putting a new rubbish bin next to your existing one - you'd just end up with two full ones that you can't be bothered to take out. I suspect that a better way to eliminate Token Stacks would be preferable to allowing more of them, myself. >Proposal 451 - I was young and foolish then... [other, multiple] Excellent stuff, yes - the "non-Voting" was my only quibble with it (although I think I voted FOR anyway); this will be getting my approval again. >Proposal 452 - Winners take Drugs [amendment] > >Amend the first sentence of Rule 1.1.1 (How to Win) to read as follows: > >The object of the game is to be the first Player to reach Mornington Crescent. Hmm. Rather fuzzy wording, in that it could be taken as "the first Player to move past Mornington Crescent". Perhaps I've just been playing too much Nomic today, though (Super-Sleuth-edition Cluedo is infinitely more entertaining when you create an entirely new ruleset and have to perform the murder rather than solve it). Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "And after Monday night's archery, a fellow cellar- hopper lent to me a Willie Rushton biography..." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "C.A.M.R.A. Man" From Tue Jul 28 23:33:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30275 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1998 06:33:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 06:33:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02050 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:32:30 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02047 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:32:23 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id QAA25381; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:32:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma025320; Wed, 29 Jul 98 16:32:08 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:32:07 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01D6@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 4 - miKi's Win Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:32:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Wednesday, July 29, 1998 4:25 AM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > I'm still astounded PaulWay took us out of knip, but there you go. I have two very good reasons: 1) I wanted to purchase a Zone 1 Pass. 2) I wasn't thinking. Looks like a good win to me, nonetheless. Telescopic salad-servers, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Wed Jul 29 01:55:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2162 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1998 08:55:17 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 08:55:17 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04611 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:54:41 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04608 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:54:37 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28186 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:54:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 08:54:35 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA10572; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:54:31 +0100 Message-Id: <199807290854.JAA10572@uks447> Date: 29 Jul 98 09:51:01 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 14: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 28-Jul-98 21:05 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>>In Rule 1.1.1 (How to Win), replace: >>> >>> "If a Player has made a Move to Mornington Crescent" >>> >>>with: >>> >>> "If a Player has won the Game" >> >>Shurely the point is that the player hasn't won the game *until* other players >>have conceded? Thus, the proposal doesn't work. Hmmm. I may be wrong here. I'm >>not sure -- someone convince me. >The amended bit deals with when a Game ends; the Winningness is defined >in the first paragraph ("The Winner of a Game is the first Player whose >Piece rests at Mornington Crescent at the end of eir Turn."). This is >just to clear up the rather nasty flaw of a Player Winning through a >Straddle, but the Game never ending because it wasn't a "Move" to MC. Exactly. This is currently a duplicate definition of winning, which can be picked at by those who are so inclined in precisely the manner Kevan points out. >Semantic twiddling of something Dunx is planning to rework anyway, I >admit. Tish. Indeed. It was in my sights, although I hadn't sorted out the wording I was going to use since I've been aiming at easier targets in other areas of the ruleset. Bravo. >>>Proposal 450 - The Dirty Two Dozen [Amendment] >> >>> I don't think twelve is enough, that's all. >> >>But is 24 perhaps too many? >I think twelve is sufficient, really. It's true that the Game can >stagnate when all the Stacks are full, but (as Ben Elton said in >the days when he was still funny) it'd be like putting a new rubbish >bin next to your existing one - you'd just end up with two full >ones that you can't be bothered to take out. Yes, I suppose. >I suspect that a better way to eliminate Token Stacks would be >preferable to allowing more of them, myself. Hmm... >>Proposal 452 - Winners take Drugs [amendment] >> >>Amend the first sentence of Rule 1.1.1 (How to Win) to read as follows: >> >>The object of the game is to be the first Player to reach Mornington Crescent. >Hmm. Rather fuzzy wording, in that it could be taken as "the first >Player to move past Mornington Crescent". Perhaps I've just been >playing too much Nomic today, though (Super-Sleuth-edition Cluedo >is infinitely more entertaining when you create an entirely new >ruleset and have to perform the murder rather than solve it). Granted that this is fuzzy, but I find the wording objectionable because it reinforces the Piece/Player confusion that was mentioned the other week. Is it the Player or eir Piece which gets to MC? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, On Holiday From Wed Jul 29 01:59:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4605 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1998 08:59:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 08:59:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04694 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:58:36 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04689 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:58:33 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28803 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:58:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 08:58:32 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA11101; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:58:30 +0100 Message-Id: <199807290858.JAA11101@uks447> Date: 29 Jul 98 09:54:43 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: RE: Game 4 - miKi's Win X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 29-Jul-98 07:32 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> I'm still astounded PaulWay took us out of knip, but there you go. >I have two very good reasons: >1) I wanted to purchase a Zone 1 Pass. >2) I wasn't thinking. Sorry, didn't mean to have a go at you. The game would have ended in a couple of turns anyway. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, On Holiday From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Jul 29 02:34:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19139 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1998 09:34:52 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 09:34:52 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05385 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:34:22 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05382 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:34:20 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA30380; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:36:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:27:52 +0100 Message-Id: <98072910275135@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 14: Proposals X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Proposal 452 - Winners take Drugs [amendment] >> >>Amend the first sentence of Rule 1.1.1 (How to Win) to read as follows: >> >>The object of the game is to be the first Player to reach Mornington Crescent. >Hmm. Rather fuzzy wording, in that it could be taken as "the first >Player to move past Mornington Crescent". Except that it doesn't say that. If it meant that, it would say that. I see what you're getting at, but I don't agree that the supposed ambiguity exists. >Granted that this is fuzzy, but I find the wording objectionable because >it reinforces the Piece/Player confusion that was mentioned the other week. >Is it the Player or eir Piece which gets to MC? Well, both, in so far as the Player's Piece represents the Player's position on the playing area (the 'board', the 'map'). Just to go back to my Monopoly analogy again, if you have the little dog and you move it to a Chance Square, and then draw a card which tells you to 'Go Back to Old Kent Road', is it you or the piece which goes back to Old Kent Road? How would you envisage a situation where you went back to Old Kent Road, but your piece remained at Chance? Sounds daft to me. I think the distinction is not only misleading, it is utterly ridiculous, and I reiterate that if you can have such post-move position modifiers in Monopoly without the nonsensical verbiage in the rules and without any hint of ambiguity (well, maybe I should go back to the Monopoly rules to check for sure, but it's never been a problem in the past), then why can't we manage it in Mornomic? dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Jul 29 02:44:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22711 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1998 09:44:24 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 09:44:24 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05556 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:43:44 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05553 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:43:41 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA31192; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:45:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:45:32 +0100 Message-Id: <98072910453220@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 14: Proposals X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>The object of the game is to be the first Player to reach Mornington Crescent. >Hmm. Rather fuzzy wording, in that it could be taken as "the first >Player to move past Mornington Crescent". The objection is fair, so I've just checked in two dictionaries (Oxford and Collins) to make absolutely sure, and there is no sense of reach given that means 'pass' -- the only contextually relevant definition is 'arrive at or get to'. dave From Richard Brockie Wed Jul 29 03:18:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 842 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1998 10:18:47 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 10:18:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06542 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:18:05 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06539 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:18:02 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:17:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:17:40 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 4 - miKi's Win In-Reply-To: <199807281828.TAA27667@uks447> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On 28 Jul 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > miKi played: > >miKi : [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] > > [Smoking Cigar] [Opening MC] > > Mornington Crescent (NT via:BL,VC,NT) > > Can't see anything wrong with that. Phew! > Well played, sir. Beat me to the punch. Many thanks... > I'm still astounded PaulWay took us out of knip, but there you go. I was pleasantly surprised, it has to be said. > I nearly shunted you up the Hammersmith & City line instead - I don't > suppose that would have made any difference, would it? Maybe it would - PaulWay may have had the opportunity to shunt me and steal another Gold Token... > Anyway, congratulations again. Cheers! I think we should get the Long Game going - I see the potential for many maneouvres being developed in such a forum. --- miKi From Kevan Davis Wed Jul 29 03:33:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5506 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1998 10:33:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 10:33:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06811 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:32:40 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06808 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:32:37 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p17.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.17]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA28121 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:32:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:32:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807291032.LAA28121@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 14: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>>The object of the game is to be the first Player to reach Mornington >Crescent. > >>Hmm. Rather fuzzy wording, in that it could be taken as "the first >>Player to move past Mornington Crescent". > >The objection is fair, so I've just checked in two dictionaries (Oxford and >Collins) to make absolutely sure, and there is no sense of reach given that >means 'pass' -- the only contextually relevant definition is 'arrive at or get >to'. Well, a Player *reaches* MC if he goes via it from Euston to Camden Town; he just doesn't stop there. I think the "Piece resting there at the end of the Turn" clause is an important one. >Well, both, in so far as the Player's Piece represents the Player's position on >the playing area (the 'board', the 'map'). Just to go back to my Monopoly >analogy again, if you have the little dog and you move it to a Chance Square, >and then draw a card which tells you to 'Go Back to Old Kent Road', is it you >or the piece which goes back to Old Kent Road? How would you envisage a >situation where you went back to Old Kent Road, but your piece remained at >Chance? Sounds daft to me. Oh, quite - it's just preferable to have consistent wording when you're playing a game where the ruleset is frequently referred to. Once you've got the hang of Monopoly you rarely need consult the rules again (and most people learn by example anyway), but since Mornomic involves looking at the Ruleset quite closely every Week, consistency is more important. The Player/Piece business is more a consistency than a critical rule aspect - it's preferable to have the whole ruleset referring to Players or Pieces than to have a mish-mash, just as it's preferable to have it all in English and written left-to-right. >I think the distinction is not only misleading, it is utterly ridiculous, and I >reiterate that if you can have such post-move position modifiers in Monopoly >without the nonsensical verbiage in the rules and without any hint of ambiguity >(well, maybe I should go back to the Monopoly rules to check for sure, but it's >never been a problem in the past), then why can't we manage it in Mornomic? Monopoly has two striking differences to Mornomic - for one, it's much, much simpler, with all complex game mechanics being written on cards, requiring no real consultation of the ruleset once you get going. And for second, it was produced by Waddingtons many years ago, has been playtested to death and is a finished game. And the latter is the key, really. If we were to pick up Monopoly and try to continue it as a Nomic, I expect we'd be able to build on it quite easily, because it already has a very sturdy and robust set of rules (although admittedly if we tried to introduce any drastic new game mechanics, we'd probably have to deal with timing issues). As it stands, Mornomic is rather flailing and ambiguous, being the combined thoughts of a dozen or so people over a year and a quarter, so it needs a lot of trimming and tidying before it's properly playable. And the excess verbiage in the Ruleset is becoming a thing of the past, really - I generally try to halve the size and complexity of any Rules I have a go at, and I'd say that if anything the Ruleset was getting smaller and tighter. This does make for a lot of varyingly dull discussion and Proposal about what a Move is or what a Turn is, but if it makes for unambiguous play (a very important aspect, as demonstrated by the reverse-Straddling imbroglio), I think it's an important and beneficial thing. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "If I had three lives, I'd marry her in two." -- The Whitlams, "Melbourne" From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Jul 29 08:49:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2938 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1998 15:49:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 15:49:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14145 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:48:58 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14140 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:48:53 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA02941; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:51:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:50:54 +0100 Message-Id: <98072916505477@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 14: Proposals X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Well, all Possessions are "created" from nothing when they're purchased, >so I don't see this as being too much of an issue. I've always thought of them as being purchased from London Underground, but that's just the hopeless romantic in me. >>Anyway, I'd be inclined to vote for this >>one and tamper with it later -- maybe change the last sentence to > >To...? "Always read your emails to check they're finished before sending." dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Jul 29 08:13:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24969 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Jul 1998 15:13:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 1998 15:13:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13143 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:12:31 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA13140 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:12:27 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA32646; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:14:37 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:32:47 +0100 Message-Id: <98072915324738@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 14: Proposals X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Well, a Player *reaches* MC if he goes via it from Euston to Camden Town; he >just doesn't stop there. I suppose that could be taken as a possible interpretation. >Oh, quite - it's just preferable to have consistent wording when you're >playing a game where the ruleset is frequently referred to. Indeed, but I don't see how "consistent" is synonymous with "verbose". >just as it's preferable to have it >all in English and written left-to-right. It's debatable whether or not it currently fulfills even these criteria. >And the excess verbiage in the Ruleset is becoming a thing of the >past, really Also debatable. The issue is really over individual notions of how best to explain things, different views on what is important and necessary. We could argue the toss on the matter until we're blue in the face, but I don't suppose we'll ever reach total agreement. What would perhaps be the best way forward would be to freeze the rules as they currently are and put them in for their 18 month service -- give the whole lot a major overhaul in one fell swoop. Time consuming though. dave From Wed Jul 29 22:02:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6480 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jul 1998 05:02:18 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1998 05:02:18 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA00451 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:01:02 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA00428 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:00:55 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id PAA09530; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:00:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma009482; Thu, 30 Jul 98 15:00:38 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:00:37 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01D8@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:00:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 4 3 4 2 1 0 | |*Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 0 | 5 0 0 2 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 4 1 4 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 3 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 4 | 5 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 0000 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | Boston Manor | Bk | |Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Victoria | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Gloucester Road (CL) [Shunting dave to Vauxhall] {Comment: Game Time moved on 10mins +1Go Token Running 10mins -1Br Purchasing Chocolate Bar 20mins Eating Chocolate Bar (+1LV) 10mins -1Re Shunting dave (token on Victoria) +1Go collected from Shunting dave +1Re passing through two interchanges +1Bk three-line interchange +1Bk same line move LVs adjusted accordingly after shunt. A small amount of revenge exacted on dave there... } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Thu Jul 30 03:15:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8522 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jul 1998 10:15:55 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1998 10:15:55 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07730 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:15:24 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA07719 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:15:19 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA10882; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:30:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:30:27 +0100 Message-Id: <98073010302445@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Bzzt on PaulWay X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) > [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] > [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] > [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] >Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) >PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) > [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] > Dunx : Mansion House (CL) > Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) > Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] > [Hyde Park Corner Wild] > dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] > [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] >PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] > [Eating Chocolate Bar] Gloucester Road (CL) > [Shunting dave to Vauxhall] I'm flabbergasted. Why didn't I see that? Fair play to Mr Wayper for getting that chocolate rush at a highly apposite moment. Unfortunately, I don't believe you can shunt me to Vauxhall -- I think it would have to be to Westminster. I think I know what's coming next too. Talk about rise and fall... dave xxx From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Thu Jul 30 04:43:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 155 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jul 1998 11:43:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1998 11:43:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09543 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:43:12 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09539 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:43:09 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA22661; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:45:21 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:47:24 +0100 Message-Id: <98073012472484@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: more buzzery X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] > [Eating Chocolate Bar] Gloucester Road (CL) > [Shunting dave to Vauxhall] > >{Comment: > >Game Time moved on > >10mins +1Go Token Running >10mins -1Br Purchasing Chocolate Bar >20mins Eating Chocolate Bar (+1LV) >10mins -1Re Shunting dave (token on Victoria) I have just noticed that you've neglected to add the 10 minutes for the LV adjustment and the 10 minutes for the move itself, which takes you over your allotted hour -- a total of 70 minutes, to be precise. BZZZZZT! Sorry. This isn't vindictiveness, just protecting self-interest. dave From Kevan Davis Thu Jul 30 06:42:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8912 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jul 1998 13:42:25 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1998 13:42:25 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12105 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:40:35 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12100 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:40:30 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p20.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.20]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA06584 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:40:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:40:25 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807301340.OAA06584@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Re: HTML ruleset... Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) miKi gave me a few comments on the HTML ruleset, via private email - I thought I'd reply to them on-list, to see what the rest of you think about my thoughts... >1. Firstly, it is a vast improvement in formatting terms. The colours you > have chosen are good, I find that the main Mornomic page is difficult > to read on my screen - there isn't enough contrast for the normal, > unlinked text. Yers. I'll be overhauling my entire page at some point in the probably- not-too-distant future - people have tsked my main pages for their darkness, in the past. I really need to draw some graphics and think of a new name for it. >2. The contents linking to the sections is good. The cross-references of > various keywords is a great idea. I was amused to spot some bugs eg: > "Passing through x stations" has passing linked to making a pass. > Perhaps it could be reworded to be "moving" or "travelling through". "_Hat_ton Cross" is an entertaining one, too. Just a matter of telling it which exceptions to make, really; although I've reformatted the Ruleset to make it easier to interpret, rewording it just to keep the software happy is perhaps a step too far. >4. My only criticism is that the opportunity could be taken to split the > HTML version into many smaller files. It make sense to have one large > text formatted version, but FAQ's and such, when converted to HTML > usualy split each section up placing "Previous (Section title) | > Up (Contents) | Next (Section title)" links at the top and bottom of > each individual page to help navigation. I like the this format. > > This also allows one to easily print out an individual rule and > pour over it with pen, useful when trying to work out the exact > meaning of a rule... This was something I dithered over quite a bit - although having multiple pages permits the printing of particular sections, and saves you from having to load the whole page in when you only want to check one thing, the single-file approach allows the reader to search for things which might not be in the index (even with the best index, people will still wonder things like "Hmm - I wonder how many things Terminus Stations affect?" and want to search for the string), and to just save the entire ruleset onto their hard drive for perusal at off-line leisure, or for printing in one go. Perhaps I'll just tinker the software so that it produces both a split and a single ruleset; I'll probably rewrite the thing in C or something (it's in - horrors - QBasic at the moment, since I had no other languages to hand) when I can get my claws on a decent compiler and whatnot. Shouldn't be too nightmarish. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I dreamt about you last night, and I fell out of bed twice." -- The Smiths, "Reel Around The Fountain" From Thu Jul 30 15:51:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30269 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jul 1998 22:51:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1998 22:51:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA25010 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:49:37 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25003 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:49:26 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id IAA10292; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:49:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma010274; Fri, 31 Jul 98 08:49:09 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:49:08 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01D9@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Re: HTML ruleset... Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:49:06 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thursday, July 30, 1998 11:40 PM, Kevan Davis [SMTP:kdavis@i...] wrote: > miKi gave me a few comments on the HTML ruleset, via private email - I > thought I'd reply to them on-list, to see what the rest of you think > about my thoughts... If I may also add my congratulations for the HTMLised ruleset as well. It's much easier to read, and I'm tending to follow hyperlinks around a lot more (and that way you don't have to step through all the other references to, say, "Block"). > Yers. I'll be overhauling my entire page at some point in the probably- > not-too-distant future - people have tsked my main pages for their > darkness, in the past. I really need to draw some graphics and think of > a new name for it. What _would_ the world be without Darker Street? I must say I always liked the Perhaps Gate, with its nice thematic moai (sp?) and tiled background. But I think you've got a lot more creative artistic talent than me, who just puts up a very simple rendered picture (I'm still thinking about how to do the picture for an image-map, but fitting that in with the rest of the stuff I do here is difficult at best.) > "_Hat_ton Cross" is an entertaining one, too. Just a matter of telling > it which exceptions to make, really; although I've reformatted the > Ruleset to make it easier to interpret, rewording it just to keep the > software happy is perhaps a step too far. Just make sure you search for words - e.g. use " Block " instead of "Block". > > >4. My only criticism is that the opportunity could be taken to split the > > HTML version into many smaller files. It make sense to have one large > > text formatted version, but FAQ's and such, when converted to HTML > > usualy split each section up placing "Previous (Section title) | > > Up (Contents) | Next (Section title)" links at the top and bottom of > > each individual page to help navigation. I like the this format. > > > > This also allows one to easily print out an individual rule and > > pour over it with pen, useful when trying to work out the exact > > meaning of a rule... > > This was something I dithered over quite a bit - although having multiple > pages permits the printing of particular sections, and saves you from > having to load the whole page in when you only want to check one thing, > the single-file approach allows the reader to search for things which > might not be in the index (even with the best index, people will still > wonder things like "Hmm - I wonder how many things Terminus Stations > affect?" and want to search for the string), and to just save the entire > ruleset onto their hard drive for perusal at off-line leisure, or for > printing in one go. I don't mind the large page - although my internet connection is good and fast and therefore easier for me to load. You could, however, do both - just run a script over the single-page ruleset to generate the page-per-section version. > Perhaps I'll just tinker the software so that it produces both a split > and a single ruleset; I'll probably rewrite the thing in C or something > (it's in - horrors - QBasic at the moment, since I had no other languages > to hand) when I can get my claws on a decent compiler and whatnot. > Shouldn't be too nightmarish. I'd recommend Perl here, but then I'm totally biased, because I love how hackish it is. Searching for distinct patterns is simple, and you get lots of flexibility in the search-and-replace, and the whole 'read each line of a file doing X to it' is so much easier to code in Perl. You can get Perl for Win95 and various other 32bit OSs... obPerl - how do I convert a series of filenames in the form messages.day.month.year.ext to an 8.3 format? With one Perl line: s/messages\.(.*)\.(.*)\.(.*)\.ext/$3$2$1.ext/ Obscure, but it works a treat and is so much quicker and neater and easier to debug (once you understand it). PaulWay - JAPH :-) Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Thu Jul 30 16:05:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3729 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jul 1998 23:05:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1998 23:05:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA25467 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:04:25 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25463 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:04:16 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA14912 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:03:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 30 Jul 1998 23:03:56 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA16218; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:03:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199807302303.AAA16218@uks447> Date: 31 Jul 98 00:02:20 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 14: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 29-Jul-98 15:32 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >What would perhaps be the best way forward would be to freeze the rules as they >currently are and put them in for their 18 month service -- give the whole lot >a major overhaul in one fell swoop. Time consuming though. Indeed. As you already know from your own efforts, and as I am painfully aware from various token cost and timing changes (not to mention the Move stuff and Piece v Player I'm working on at the moment), this sort of fine-toothed comb is difficult, time consuming, and error prone. Quite fun though, in a brick wall/head kind of way. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, On Holiday From Thu Jul 30 16:12:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6733 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Jul 1998 23:12:18 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 1998 23:12:18 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA25631 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:11:30 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25626 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:11:17 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA15932; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:11:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma015911; Fri, 31 Jul 98 09:11:05 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:11:04 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01DA@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:11:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 4 3 4 2 1 0 | |*Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 0 | 5 0 0 2 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 4 1 4 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 3 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 4 | 5 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 0500 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | Boston Manor | Bk | |Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Victoria | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] [Gold to Blue] [Game Time: +0100] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Gloucester Road (CL) [Shunting dave to Westminster] {Comment: Game Time moved on 10mins LV+3 10mins +1Go Token Running 00mins -1Go Gold to Blue (token vanishes in a puff of Einsteinium) +4Bu Blue from Gold 10mins -1Bu Extend game time by 1 hour (token on Victoria) 10mins -1Br Purchasing Chocolate Bar 20mins Eating Chocolate Bar (+1LV) 10mins Move 10mins -1Re Shunting dave (token on Victoria) +1Go collected from Shunting dave +1Re passing through two interchanges +1Bk three-line interchange +1Bk same line move ------ 80mins of 120mins. Welcome to a new day :-) LVs adjusted accordingly after shunt. A small amount of revenge exacted on dave there... } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Thu Jul 30 17:16:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4403 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Jul 1998 00:16:47 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1998 00:16:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA27055 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:16:10 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA27048 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:16:05 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA19680 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:16:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 31 Jul 1998 00:16:05 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA20668; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:16:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199807310016.BAA20668@uks447> Date: 31 Jul 98 01:13:20 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 31-Jul-98 00:11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 0 | 4 3 4 2 1 0 | |*Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 0 | 5 0 0 2 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 9 | 3 1 5 0 1 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 3 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 4 | 5 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 0600 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | Boston Manor | Bk | |Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Victoria | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] [Gold to Blue] [Game Time: +0100] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Gloucester Road (CL) [Shunting dave to Westminster] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) [Blocking Charing Cross] { Comment: Bum. I was going to shunt dave and nick one of eir Golds, but the polarisation got me. Ho hum. Changed at Monument to switch to Bank's Central connection, just so the route is well-defined. In gruesome detail: 10 mins LV change 10 mins Move +1 Br Zone Pass -1 Bk line change 10 mins -1 Re Block Tempers fuggit. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, On Holiday From Thu Jul 30 17:16:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4446 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Jul 1998 00:16:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1998 00:16:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA27056 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:16:12 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA27050 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:16:06 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA19684 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:16:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 31 Jul 1998 00:16:05 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA20670; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:16:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199807310016.BAA20670@uks447> Date: 31 Jul 98 01:15:00 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Next Game MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) miKi suggested: >I think we should get the Long Game going - I see the potential >for many maneouvres being developed in such a forum. Good idea. Any chance of a Ruttsborough game as well? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Thu Jul 30 23:29:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14918 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Jul 1998 06:29:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1998 06:29:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA00281 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 07:28:03 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00275 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 07:27:56 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id QAA27549; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:27:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma027480; Fri, 31 Jul 98 16:27:42 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:27:41 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01DE@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Next Game Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:27:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Dunx replied: > miKi suggested: > >I think we should get the Long Game going - I see the potential > >for many maneouvres being developed in such a forum. > > Any chance of a Ruttsborough game as well? I want to try out the Finsbury Option rules! Mind you, I think of the extra rulesets as neat way to try out new ideas, rather than enact them in the base ruleset to inflict on all games currently running. If you see my meaning. Have fun, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Richard Brockie Fri Jul 31 01:56:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13933 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Jul 1998 08:56:36 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1998 08:56:36 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02918 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:55:58 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02915 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:55:54 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk (flotta.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.36]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA01860 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:55:53 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:55:53 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Inactivity... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Dear All, I shall be Inactive from 1st to 9th August inclusive. Have fun! --- miKi From Kevan Davis Fri Jul 31 02:16:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19375 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Jul 1998 09:16:11 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1998 09:16:11 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03365 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:15:41 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03362 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:15:38 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p01.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.1]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA16214 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:15:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:15:34 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199807310915.KAA16214@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: Re: HTML ruleset... Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> Yers. I'll be overhauling my entire page at some point in the >probably- >> not-too-distant future - people have tsked my main pages for their >> darkness, in the past. I really need to draw some graphics and think >of >> a new name for it. > >What _would_ the world be without Darker Street? Arguably a better place. I currently aim, with difficulty, for some sort of new Web page theme that isn't going to make potential employers follow the links from my CV and quietly cross my name off in case I resign or kill myself a few months into a major project. A Tube-map style thing seemed reasonably neutral, but I'm not sure I can match up enough station names to pages. >> "_Hat_ton Cross" is an entertaining one, too. Just a matter of telling >> it which exceptions to make, really; although I've reformatted the >> Ruleset to make it easier to interpret, rewording it just to keep the >> software happy is perhaps a step too far. > >Just make sure you search for words - e.g. use " Block " instead of >"Block". I suppose, yes. It is, of course, handy to have it pick up on "Blocks", "Blocked", "Blocking" and whatnot, but there are only a small number of such variations. >I don't mind the large page - although my internet connection is good >and fast and therefore easier for me to load. You could, however, do >both - just run a script over the single-page ruleset to generate the >page-per-section version. Probably easier, actually, yes. >I'd recommend Perl here, but then I'm totally biased, because I love how >hackish it is. I nearly, nearly got into it a few times, at the suggestion of ex-Thring Speaker Anthony, who swore by it. Never quite got around to downloading it, though. Perhaps I'll have a look today. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Drinking different-coloured wines or beers, just quite frankly leaves me bored to tears." -- The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band, "I'm Bored" From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Fri Jul 31 02:48:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >This was something I dithered over quite a bit - although having multiple >pages permits the printing of particular sections, and saves you from >having to load the whole page in when you only want to check one thing, >the single-file approach allows the reader to search for things which >might not be in the index Both good arguments, which suggests the dual split and complete versions are necessary. I would certainly favour that approach, anyway. >I'll probably rewrite the thing in C or something >(it's in - horrors - QBasic at the moment, since I had no other languages >to hand) when I can get my claws on a decent compiler and whatnot. >Shouldn't be too nightmarish. Well, it's all Greek to me -- I'm sure even Qbasic would be beyond me. I'm no technophobe, but I think I must be relatively inept with computers compared to most people round these parts -- 10 Print "Hello"; 20 Goto 10 is about my limit... dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Fri Jul 31 06:57:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14705 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Jul 1998 13:57:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1998 13:57:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08960 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:56:02 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08942 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:55:56 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA21053; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:58:11 +0100 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:49:52 +0100 Message-Id: <98073114495199@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: not again... X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >| | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | >| PaulWay | Latimer Road | 0 | 5 0 0 2 2 0 | >PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] [Gold to Blue] [Game Time: +0100] > [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] > Gloucester Road (CL) [Shunting dave to Westminster] >10mins +1Go Token Running >00mins -1Go Gold to Blue (token vanishes in a puff of Einsteinium) > +4Bu Blue from Gold > +1Go collected from Shunting dave Buzz. What is it this time? well, you've gone from 0 Gold Tokens to 2, although your actual net gain on this move is 1. I would suggest the next person to move just writing this extra gold off (I'm sure the inclusion was merely an oversight) but it also occurred to me that Token Running from Edgware Road is a bit dodgy, seeing as the station is in Zone 1, so I'm very sorry but you'll just have to start all over again. Not that it helps me -- I think you'll find that your original move minus the dodgy token run comes to a nice round hour, which at least gives you back the gold token I stole from you, and makes me a fool for not thinking to electrify the circle line, rather than just make it anticlockwise. dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Fri Jul 31 07:27:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29603 invoked by uid 7770); 31 Jul 1998 14:27:31 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 1998 14:27:31 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09749 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:27:02 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09741 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:27:00 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA25559; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:29:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:20:21 +0100 Message-Id: <98073115202124@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: oops... X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >but it also occurred to me that Token Running from Edgware Road is a bit dodgy, >seeing as the station is in Zone 1 ahem! I just checked the rules, and this restriction appears to have been lost while I wasn't looking -- was this deliberate? However, the token run is still illegal as Paul did not arrive at Edgware Road by the same line as he is leaving by. dave From Sun Aug 2 16:30:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15249 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Aug 1998 23:30:00 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1998 23:30:00 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA02348 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:29:01 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA02342 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:28:52 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA05339; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:28:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma005256; Mon, 3 Aug 98 09:28:34 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:28:33 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01E0@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: oops... Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:28:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Saturday, August 01, 1998 12:20 AM, kenningd@w... [SMTP:kenningd@w...] wrote: > However, the token run is still illegal as Paul did not arrive at > Edgware Road by the same line as he is leaving by. Incorrect. I moved onto the District as part of my move, and paid the necessary black token for it too. So there :-) Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Mon Aug 3 01:23:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18223 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1998 08:23:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 08:23:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA11051 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:21:23 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11048 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:21:20 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA11789 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:21:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 08:21:00 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09758; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:20:59 +0100 Message-Id: <199808030820.JAA09758@uks447> Date: 03 Aug 98 09:17:52 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: RE: oops... X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 03-Aug-98 00:28 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) PaulWay wrote: >On Saturday, August 01, 1998 12:20 AM, kenningd@w... >[SMTP:kenningd@w...] wrote: >> However, the token run is still illegal as Paul did not arrive at >> Edgware Road by the same line as he is leaving by. >Incorrect. I moved onto the District as part of my move, and paid the >necessary black token for it too. So there :-) That may be the case, but it's not what your move said. Your last two moves were: >PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) > [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] >PaulWay : [LV+3] [Token Running] [Gold to Blue] [Game Time: +0100] > [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] > Gloucester Road (CL) [Shunting dave to Westminster] Since you were playing Edgware Road (DS) on the way into the terminus and there is no 'via DS' on the way out, the implication is that you changed to the Circle Line at Edgware Road. Also, you said that you paid the black token penalty. Contained in the comment for your last move was: > +1Bk same line move ... which was a bit naughty. Anyway, these are actually fairly trivial matters where the intent is clear. If dave being Shunted were not involved, I'd be inclined to just correct them and move on... I still can't believe we've lost the Zone 1 restriction, though. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Mon Aug 3 02:41:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9265 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1998 09:41:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 09:41:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA12483 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:40:34 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12479 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:40:31 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p01.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.1]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA11993 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:40:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:40:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808030940.KAA11993@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: Next Game Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> >I think we should get the Long Game going - I see the potential >> >for many maneouvres being developed in such a forum. >> >> Any chance of a Ruttsborough game as well? > >I want to try out the Finsbury Option rules! And Julie and I are in favour of trying out the Team Game Rules. Hmm. I wonder if a "New Game" Proposal type is perhaps the way to go, here... I'd go straight for a Long Game, but have a few reservations about it; aside from the obsolete wording of the 25-Gold limit which dave has Point of Ordered, I think the idea of a Long Game over email is a particularly bad one. With Game 4 getting up to 10k and lasting a fair while, a Long Game is likely to end up around 80k and be around even longer - this seems like quite an unwelcome source of list traffic. Maybe some rewording of the Long Game is in order, so that we play Games 9a, 9b, 9c and so forth, with most of the Game State remaining intact between subgames? I've corrected (but not uploaded, since I've been away a few days and have yet to reach off-peak phonebill hours) the Rule at dave's suggestion, but would welcome suggestion for a better Long Game Rule. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "And the Lord set his dog unto them." -- John Hegley From Kevan Davis Mon Aug 3 05:15:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24092 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Aug 1998 12:15:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 12:15:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15544 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:14:48 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15541 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:14:44 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p19.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.19]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA21117 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:14:38 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:14:38 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808031214.NAA21117@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: Next Game Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>I think the idea of a Long Game over email is a >>particularly bad one. With Game 4 getting up to 10k and lasting a fair >>while, a Long Game is likely to end up around 80k and be around even >>longer - this seems like quite an unwelcome source of list traffic. > >Maybe it would be best if only the last two moves for each player were listed >(each player removing the move at the top of the list on eir go) and the rest >archived on a web page (not necessarily more work for Kevan if other people >could volunteer time and web space) Such an approach was proposed in the early days, if memory serves, but was shot down for reasons I forget. It's the lack of a Game history, I suppose - there are a few elements that require the full log, such as Bulkheading, and not Token Running twice from the same Station. A game archive is a nice idea, but a bit fiddly, and ideally you should have everything you need on the GSD without checking elsewhere. Probably something to leave until the the dreamt-of days when we have some sort of cgi-bin server going, I suppose. Until then, a 9a/9b/9c approach might work better - we just need a way to break the game up; possibly some sort of "[Ending Game Section]" Action that can be performed for free after 'n' Turns. Token totals and everything get carried forward, and maybe we overlook Run repeats, Bulkheads and whatnot if they're not referenced on the current GSD. Hmm. On an unrelated note; I was in London this weekend with Julie, and we did the usual visits to the Crescent and the Transport Museum gift shop - I was pleased to see the proper board game of "The London Game" there (I got the travel edition last time I was there); you get a nice plastic map of the Underground (the section within the Circle line, anyway), as well as counters and dice and things. The game itself is amusing if rather repetitive, but the idea of having a proper map and maybe bringing it along to a Pilgrimage, along with a printed Ruleset, amused me. Maybe we could club together and get a full-size poster laminated... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Let's trash the murder-mystery weekend, let's stage a couldn't-give-a-thon." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Monmore, Hare's Running" From Kevan Davis Tue Aug 4 07:10:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17757 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Aug 1998 14:10:48 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1998 14:10:48 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14819 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:08:20 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14814 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:08:15 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p25.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.25]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA19491 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:08:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:08:10 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808041408.PAA19491@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: Next Game Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Probably something to leave until the the dreamt-of days when we have >>some sort of cgi-bin server going, I suppose. > >It would be lovely to have some kind of fancy program where you could enter >your moves and actions and so on and it updated the GSD for you -- even better >a graphic representation of the board with players' positions indicated. I've been toying with this idea for a long while - possibly something in Java, more likely something in C++. Not too tricky, really; just cut and paste the latest GSD and let it scan through and translate, drawing counters onto the GIF map as appropriate - it's just the "telling it where all the Stations actually are" bit that I find somewhat daunting. Still. That'll probably be something I'll try my hand at when I lay hands on compilers and stuff, although I might dig Java back out and have a play with it, if I think it'll be feasible. >>On an unrelated note; I was in London this weekend with Julie, and we >>did the usual visits to the Crescent... > >May be your last ever opportunity -- on the radio this morning there was talk >of renaming the station to Camden High Street. This would also have rather >peculiar implications for the game... Horrors. Is anyone kicking up a fuss, do we know? >>I was pleased to see the proper board game of "The London Game" >>there (I got the travel edition last time I was there); you get a nice >>plastic map of the Underground (the section within the Circle line, >>anyway), as well as counters and dice and things. > >sounds great -- I may have to get that for myself. It's not bad. The travel one's seven quid, the proper one about fifteen. The game itself is simple yet moderately entertaining - you each draw five Station cards and keep them secret, playing them when you get to that Station and winning when you've emptied your hand and returned to your BR connection. Roll a die for your LV each turn, draw a potentially-scuppering "hazard" card when you want to change lines (which may send you elsewhere on the map, or let you continue but do something to another player), and that's about it. "Closed stations" are quite a nice touch, acting as Mornomic Blocks, but breakable if you're going fast enough. It's not bad, really. I only bought it for the map and magnetic counters, mind (half of which are currently stuck to a torn-out diary map on the side of our PC, showing where everyone is in Game 8 - it makes things a *lot* clearer when you have such an overview). The proper game has a bigger map and probably nicer, non-magnetic pieces, and presumably proper cards rather than flimsy papery ones. I really must scrawl "Mornington Crescent" onto one of the spare blank Station cards... >Funnily enough, I was pondering last night as I lay sleeplessly staring at the >ceiling, wht exactly it is that's not quite right with MN -- I came to the >conclusion it's the fact that game play structure revolves around the GSD >rather than around a (notional) playing board. I think perhaps if we tried to >think of it in terms of a traditional board game, and of the GSD as no more >than a record of moves, it would resolve a few complications -- this sounds a >bit vague, but I have thought it through, and I'll reveal my thoughts in more >detail later when I've got more time. It's hard to get the balance, really; if we did end up with a game that worked excellently on a board, it'd be quite tricky to play over email (Scrabble, for example, is feasible through such means, but rather fiddly). For instance, if we were trying to create a game playable around a pub table in Parsons Green, I think we'd probably ditch a lot of the Game Time mallarkey and just have a basic "one pre-Move, one Move, one post-Move" approach, rather than faffing around adding up durations in our heads. I could see us getting into lots of "hold on, hold on, go through that again while I get some paper" situations towards endgame, otherwise, which would be quite dull - far easier to sum that sort of thing up in an email. And although this would make for a quicker, neater and all-round easier real-life version, it would take a lot away from the mailing list forum, which by its very nature lends itself to a more complex and thoughtful sort of game. Two very different stools, but I think we probably could do with edging towards the "real-life game" one a bit more. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Your life's an open magazine." -- The Whitlams, "You Sound Like Louis Burdett" From Kevan Davis Tue Aug 4 07:10:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 15: Voting Results for Week 14 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 447 Millennium Drone 4 7 - - Amends 1.15.1, Enacts 1.15.2 Enacts 1.4.23, Amends 1.4.12 Amends 1.7.16, 1.1.2, 1.2.0 Amends 1.21.1 448 Windsor Castle 2 7 2 - Fails 449 The Dark Side 4 7 - - Enacts 1.4.24, Amends 1.7.15 Enacts/Repeals 1.4.25 450 The Dirty Two Dozen 2 7 2 - Fails 451 I was young and foolish... 4 7 - - Amends 0.3.1, Enacts 0.3.2, Enacts 0.8.2, Amends 0.5.2/4 Amends 0.10.2, Repeals 0.8.1 Repeals 0.5.3 452 Winners Take Drugs - 7 4 - Fails ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 447 (Kevan) FOR FOR - - - FOR - FOR - - - 448 (Kevan) AGA FOR - - - FOR - AGA - - - 449 (Kevan) FOR FOR - - - FOR - FOR - - - 450 (Dunx) AGA - - - - FOR AGA FOR - - - 451 (dave) - FOR - - - FOR FOR FOR - - - 452 (dave) - AGA - - - AGA AGA AGA - - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 13 23 5 0 29 5 43 2 1 1 0 Halved: 6 11 2 21 0 FOR Votes: +4 +2 +0 +10 +0 AGA Votes: -4 -2 -0 -2 -0 Decisiveness: +3 +3 I I I +3 +3 I +0 I I Voting/Own: -0 -0 n n n -0 -0 n -0 n n a a a a a a Passed EPs: +0 +0 c c c +0 +0 c +0 c c Failed EPs: -0 -0 t t t -0 -0 t -0 t t Dead Wood: +4 +0 i i i +0 +2 i +0 i i Finger/Pulse: +5 +0 v v v +0 +5 v +0 v v e e e e e e Award Ceremony: +4 +3 +0 +3 +0 [a] Final Kudos: 22 17 5 0 29 5 42 2 0 1 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 1 2 2 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - dave (I was young and foolish then...) IMCS Clarity Award - Dunx (The Dirty Two Dozen) CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Aug 4 07:11:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Fifteen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 453 - There's An Emergency Going On [Other, Multiple] 1. It's Still Going On [Amendment] Reword Rule 0.7.2 (Emergency Proposals) to:- If a Player is concerned about serious aspects of the Ruleset, e may make an Emergency Proposal. This is effectively identical to a normal Proposal, and should be emailed to the Speaker along with indication that it is an Emergency Proposal. This email should have a subject line of 'MN: Emergency Proposal' - if it does not, it may be considered invalid. Instead of being Voted upon normally, the Speaker forwards the Eprop to the mailing list. Any Player other than e who made the Eprop may submit a Vote on that Proposal, emailing it to the Speaker. After twenty-four hours have elapsed (excluding weekends) or after at least three Players have Voted, the Votes are tallied for the Emergency Proposal. The Eprop is treated as a normal Proposal for the purposes of determining enactment, with the exception that Quorum is ignored. If the Proposal passes, it takes effect immediately. { Comments : Far fairer than allowing one random Player to make the call, I think. Best of three seems a wiser course, with a 24-hour limit there just in case. We can do away with the Kudos modifiers too, really, leaving the standard "+1 FOR/-1 AGAINST" bit to deal with it. } 2. It's Still An Emergency [Amendment] Remove "Failure to Judge or refuse Judgement of..." from the Kudos table in Rule 0.9.1. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 454 - Team Shake-Up [Other, Multiple] 1. New Start [Amendment] Rename Rule 1.20.1 (Team Games) to "Starting a Team Game", and reword it to:- Whenever a Player joins a Team Game, e may choose a Colour for eir Team. This may be a Colour another Player has already chosen, if e wishes to join that Team, or a new Colour if the Player wishes to start a new Team. A new Team may not be created if it would share an initial letter with another Team, and a Player may not join a Team if another extant Team has a smaller number of Players, or if there is only one Team. Players may only join a Team Game midway through if all Players in that Game agree to the new Player's arrival and choice of Team. Team Games require a minimum of five players, including the Drone, before play may commence. { Comments : Choosing our Teams, the number of Teams and our Team Colours seems nicer than having the Speaker pick them at random. } 2. Bzzzt! Repetition. [Repeal] Repeal 1.20.2 (Team Rules). { Comments : Making this a Special Ruleset means that we needn't state this explicitly any more. } 3. Whites of their Eyes [Amendment] Rename Rule 1.20.3 (Team Colours and Players) to "Colouring", and reword it to:- The initial letter of each Player's Team shall be noted in brackets next to eir name in the Token Table in the Game State Document. 4. Come on, Gang [Amendments] Move all remaining Rules from sections 1.20, 1.21 and 1.22 to a new Special Ruleset entitled "Team Games". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 455 - Unconsidered Trifles [Other, Multiple] { Comments : Most of the Nomic half of the Ruleset is, if you look at it, a complete bloody nightmare. I suppose we never really look at it because we've all gotten used to how that side of the game works, but the fact that we've got reams of paragraphs explaining a rather simple number of facts strikes me as rather appalling. Turning eyes just to the "Proposals" section, here's what we've got... } 1. I Know Your Type [Amendment] Rename Rule 0.4.1 (Proposal Types) to "Proposals", and reword it to:- Each Proposal submitted by a Player should have a name (typically summing up the aim of the Proposal in a few words, usually in the form of a very bad pun), a Type, any amount of text stating what the Proposal should do if it is Voted through, and any amount of commented text explaining anything the Proposer feels the need to explain. Proposals may be of the following types:- * Enactment - To create one new Rule to be added to the Ruleset. * Amendment - To change the wording of one existing Rule in the manner detailed in the Proposal. * Repeal - To remove one Rule, as specified by the Proposal, from the Ruleset. * Renumbering - To renumber all the Rule Numbers in a particular Subsection, or to renumber a single Rule. * Multiple - Any combination of any number of the above. * Special Ruleset - As "Multiple", but all Enactments are placed in a new Special Ruleset section unless otherwise specified. Commented text is signified by surrounding it with curly braces, and is entirely ignored if the Proposal passes and alters the Ruleset. { Comments : The "Action" sub-Enactment stuff is rarely used and vaguely worded, and generally easier all-round to put in as a cut-and- paste Amendment to the Action lists. Special Ruleset works better as an alternative Multiple, also, I feel, since it doesn't make very much sense as it stands . } 2. Proposal Submission [Amendment] Reword Rule 0.4.3 (Proposal Submission) to:- Players may submit up to three Proposals per Week, emailing them directly to the Speaker. This email should have a subject line of "MN: Proposals" - if it does not, the Proposals may be considered invalid. Players may, at any time prior to the Week-End, withdraw or reword Proposals they have made during that Week, by emailing the Speaker with such a request. 3. Proposal Distribution [Amendment] Reword Rule 0.4.4 (Proposal Distribution):- At the end of each Week (or at least four days before the end of the next Week), the Speaker distributes to the mailing list a copy of all Proposals submitted for that Week, numbering them sequentially. 4. Serial Repealing [Repeals] Repeal Rule 0.4.2 (Adopting Proposals), Rule 0.4.6 (Proposal Limit), Rule 0.4.7 (Proposal Names) and Rule 0.4.8 (Multiple Proposals). { Comments : Nothing that's not said in Rule 0.5.3 and - now - 0.4.3 and 0.4.1. } 5. Reenactment [Amendment] To Rule 0.4.5 (Proposal Enactment), add the paragraph:- When a new Rule is Enacted, it takes the name of the Enactment Proposal (or Proposal section) that Enacted it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 456 - Through a glass clearly [Amendment] Add the following paragraph to Rule 1.16.3 - Appeals and Judgements. "If the judgement requires a Judge to clarify an ambiguity in a Rule, the Speaker shall have discretionary powers to immediately reword the Rule at issue, in collaboration with the Judge to reflect the Judge's decision." { Comment: This is to stop newcomers to a Rule misinterpreting a rule in which an ambiguity has already been spotted and a ruling made by a Judge. The ambiguity is removed then and there. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 457 - Reverse Straddles... [Amendment, Enactment: Action] 1. Add the following paragraph to the end of Rule 1.7.6 - Straddling Nancy: "The Action Reverse Straddle, of form [Reverse Straddling to ] is a Pre-Move Action which occurs before all other Actions. The movement of the Piece and location of the Token Stack in the Reverse Straddle is the exact reverse to that outlined above for the Straddle. The conditions for a Straddle to be valid still apply." 2. Add the appropriate entry in the list of pre-move actions for [Reverse Straddling to ], with same duration and cost as [Straddling to ]. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 458 - Emergency Brakes [enactment, action] Action: Emergency Braking Type: Pre-move Duration: 30 mins Cost: 2 Bk A Player may perform the Pre-move action 'Emergency Braking' to reduce eir LV by 3. This action may be performed in conjunction with a normal 'LV-X' action to reduce LV by up to 7 in a single turn. {Comment: we have measures to bump LV up (eating chocolate etc), but apart from Passing or 'LV=0' we have no ways to reduce it quickly -- eg if you're hurtling along with 10 LV and want to slow down to LV 4 in a hurry, but don't want to stop completely. The long duration is to prevent this being used too frequently} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 459 - One-man Band [amendment] {Comment: expanding the scope of the busking action -- I thought about adding a clause about getting extra tokens for busking in a silly costume, but it's too complicated. I seem to remember originally the busking action had to be preformed with a move of Pass, but that seems to be no longer the case -- intuitively it should be, but I've left it out for now to keep the proposal simple; I've deliberately lost the permission to perform the action more than once on the same turn -- this can be put back in easily enough if people feel strongly about it} 1. Add the following possessions to the list in Rule 1.4.18 (The Emporium): Posession | Cost | Qualities ----------+------+----------- Drum | 2 Br | Musical Casiotone | 3 Br | Musical Guitar | 4 Br | Musical Violin | 4 Br | Musical Saxophone | 5 Br | Musical 2. Amend Rule 1.7.20 - Busking to read as follows: A Player may perform the action 'Busking' provided that e is carrying a Musical Possession and that Game Time is currently during Peak Hours. If e has more than one Musical Possession, e must specify in eir comments which instrument e is using. A Player successfully performing this Action gains a number of Tokens depending on the type of musical instrument used, as follows: Harmonica 3 Bronze Drum 2 Black, 1 Red, 1 Bronze Casiotone 1 Black, 1 Blue, 1 Red, 1 Bronze Guitar 2 Black, 2 Blue, 1 Bronze Violin 2 Black, 2 Red, 1 Bronze Saxophone 2 Blue, 2 Red, 2 Bronze ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 460 - Red Card [other, multiple] {Comment: doing away with railcards, as previously discussed} 1. Ace of Spades [amendment] Remove following sentence from Rule 1.4.18 (The Emporium): "Railcard discounts do not apply to Possessions which cost less than three Bronze Tokens." and remove the Railcard possession from the table. 2. Nine of Diamonds [amendment] Remove the Railcards from the sample Luggage Rack in Rule 1.4.12 (The Luggage) 3. Queen of Hearts [repeal] Repeal Rule 1.4.5 (Railcard) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 461 - Rezoning [Amendment] Amend Rule 1.4.11 (Token Running) so that its last sentence reads thus: "No Player may Run a Token from the same Terminus more than once per Game, nor from any Terminus in Zone 1." { Comment: Merely correcting something which appears to have been lost. I seem to recall that the only place the Zone 1 restriction was mentioned was in the Token table, which was then reorganised... } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 462 - Specialisation [Amendment] Amend the Section 2.1 (Special Rulesets) to remove the list of recognised Special Rulesets leaving only paragraph 1. { Comment: This is a funny one because it's not really an amendment to a Rule per se. Anyway, the list of Special Rulesets in the section header is out of date already. Since it's duplicate information from the contents section at the top and it's just another thing to remember to change, I suggest removing it. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 463 - Deny Everything! [Enactment, Action] Action: Denying Cost: 1 Re, 1 Bu Duration: none Action Type: Post Move If it can be seen that a Player is on the verge of completing a Manoeuvre, another Player may play a Move or Action that they think will prevent that Manoeuvre from being completed and may in addition explicitly Deny the Manoeuvre by playing the Action [Denying the ______ Manoeuvre] or [Denying the ______ Gambit] Such a Denial Action may only be played after the Player who is attempting to complete the Manoeuvre has played the penultimate Move in that Manoeuvre ie there is only one Move remaining before completion. The Denying Player gains half the reward for completing the Manoeuvre (rounded down to the nearest whole number). If a Denial is played and is unsuccessful (that is, the Manoeuvring Player was still able to complete the specifically Denied Manoeuvre despite the Denial) then the Player completing the Manoeuvre doubles their reward for its completion. { Comment: It occurs that, whilst it is possible to stymie a Manoeuvre, there is no reward for doing so. Naturally, there should be some risk in doing it wrong. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Kevan Davis Tue Aug 4 07:41:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 864 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Aug 1998 14:40:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1998 14:40:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15605 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:40:05 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15602 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:40:02 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p25.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.25]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA21826 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:39:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:39:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808041439.PAA21826@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Proposal musings Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Proposal 456 - Through a glass clearly [Amendment] > >Add the following paragraph to Rule 1.16.3 - Appeals and Judgements. > >"If the judgement requires a Judge to clarify an ambiguity in a Rule, the >Speaker shall have discretionary powers to immediately reword the Rule at >issue, in collaboration with the Judge to reflect the Judge's decision." A wise enough step. Maybe suspect in that it's still "one person's view affecting a potentially major rule aspect", but nevertheless something that needs to be done. >Proposal 457 - Reverse Straddles... [Amendment, Enactment: Action] > >"[...] The movement of >the Piece and location of the Token Stack in the Reverse Straddle is the >exact reverse to that outlined above for the Straddle. [...]" My brain's too tired to work out whether "exact reverse" is a dangerous wording there, or not. Either way, I think this might be a bit too powerful, particularly when there are a lot of six-high Stacks in play and you can Reverse Straddle to one of several each Turn. >Proposal 458 - Emergency Brakes [enactment, action] > >A Player may perform the Pre-move action 'Emergency Braking' to reduce eir LV >by 3. This action may be performed in conjunction with a normal 'LV-X' action >to reduce LV by up to 7 in a single turn. Er, six, surely? I think it's a fair enough restriction, anyway - if you're jetting about the place at a high speed, it's tough luck if you need to stop somewhere nearby on the way. Players can usually spin around a few Interchanges to get where they need to be, anyway, irrespective of LV. >Proposal 459 - One-man Band [amendment] All very entertaining, and probably a fair-enough way to get Tokens. The loss of instruments to Shunts is a reasonable hazard, I suppose. >Proposal 460 - Red Card [other, multiple] Sad to see it go since it was one of my babies from a fair while ago, but it's lack of use is perhaps cause enough to smite it. >Proposal 461 - Rezoning [Amendment] > >Amend Rule 1.4.11 (Token Running) so that its last sentence reads thus: > > "No Player may Run a Token from the same Terminus more than once per > Game, nor from any Terminus in Zone 1." Indeed, yes. Tsk. >Proposal 463 - Deny Everything! [Enactment, Action] Ingenious! This seems to be bringing the Game a lot closer to what it should be, and I welcome the Rule's impact. We probably need it changed to "[Denying ]" for clarity, but yes - bravo. Incidentally... >448 Windsor Castle 2 7 2 - Fails Er, was there really anything wrong with it? It didn't actually do anything other than tidy the "Game never actually ending if you Win with a Straddle" loophole, did it? Tsk. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Anyone can sympathise with the sufferings of a friend, but it requires a very fine nature to sympathise with a friend's success." -- Oscar Wilde, "The Soul of Man under Socialism" From Tue Aug 4 07:51:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7119 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Aug 1998 14:51:37 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1998 14:51:37 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15820 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:50:17 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15816 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:50:12 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA20571 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:50:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 4 Aug 1998 14:50:09 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA27814; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:50:07 +0100 Message-Id: <199808041450.PAA27814@uks447> Date: 04 Aug 98 15:47:26 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: RE: Next Game X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 04-Aug-98 15:08 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I've been toying with this idea for a long while - possibly something in >Java, more likely something in C++. Not too tricky, really; just cut and >paste the latest GSD and let it scan through and translate, drawing counters >onto the GIF map as appropriate Indeed. Not difficult. >it's just the "telling it where all the >Stations actually are" bit that I find somewhat daunting. I've done all that, if you'd be interested. It was when I was fiddling around with Spin a few months ago - I typed in the station names, the stations they connected to on each line, and (crucially, from this point of view) the station coordinates on the GIF map (relative to Tottenham Court Road). The data is in a textual but easily interpreted format, but I've also got a large set of SQL statements to create some database tables and insert the station data. The SQL is tuned for an Oracle database (perhaps unsurprisingly) but I've got a slightly modified version into Access as well. I also have a program which reads the text form and converts it into internal data structures. It's this program I used to generate the SQL INSERT statements. Spin, of course, was far too fiddly in the end but if the station data is useful you would be more than welcome. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Aug 4 09:35:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31292 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Aug 1998 16:35:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1998 16:35:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA18369 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:32:42 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18364 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:32:35 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA03315 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:32:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 4 Aug 1998 16:32:32 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA16438; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:32:29 +0100 Message-Id: <199808041632.RAA16438@uks447> Date: 04 Aug 98 17:30:42 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 15: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 04-Aug-98 15:08 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) The Proposals for Week 15 included: >Proposal 453 - There's An Emergency Going On [Other, Multiple] Sound idea. It should also cut down on the 'missing Judge' syndrome which has been an issue on occasion. And of course any Red Dwarf reference is a good thing in my book. I'm a little puzzled by some of the comments, though - > We can do away with the Kudos modifiers too, really, leaving > the standard "+1 FOR/-1 AGAINST" bit to deal with it. } Not a problem, but why is it mentioned in such a definitive way and not implemented? >Proposal 454 - Team Shake-Up [Other, Multiple] Moving this into the Special Rulesets is eminently sensible. >Proposal 455 - Unconsidered Trifles [Other, Multiple] Good bit of rewording. I'm a little sad about the "Enactment, Action" thing, since I at least have been using it and it allowed the introduction of a new Action to be achieved with just a simple Proposal rather than requiring a multiple. Still... This seems a good rewording though, and my Luddite whinging isn't really a reason to kill this. >Proposal 457 - Reverse Straddles... [Amendment, Enactment: Action] Kevan's already raised one objection to this idea, but this seems far too powerful also because of the possibility of Reverse Straddling to a Token Stack, then Straddling away again after playing a Move of Pass. Fundamentally, it is too easy to Reverse Straddle - the only restriction placed on the Player is eir Piece must be within Straddling distance of a Token Stack. This is going to be most of the map after a few rounds of play. If the cost were higher, or if the Reverse Straddling condition were that the Piece were exactly the same distance from the Stack as the height of the Stack, but not as it is now. I like the wording of this Proposal (making it a pre-Move Action is a particularly nice touch) but introducing this Action would completely unbalance the game. >Proposal 458 - Emergency Brakes [enactment, action] Oh look, an Enactment Action - and not one of mine, either. Kevan's already taken sufficient pot shots at this - I'l just nod. >Proposal 459 - One-man Band [amendment] Very nice indeed. >I seem to remember originally the busking action had to be >preformed with a move of Pass, but that seems to be no longer the case -- No, that's not true - Busking was Proposed in Week 3 of this Year (Proposal 360) and there is no mention of requiring a Move of Pass. >intuitively it should be, but I've left it out for now to keep the proposal >simple I see what you mean (I think) but the Busking Action does have a very long duration which limits what can be done in conjunction with it. >I've deliberately lost the permission to perform the action more than >once on the same turn -- this can be put back in easily enough if people feel >strongly about it} You'll get no argument from me - I don't think it should be allowed multiply at all. My only problem with the bonuses themselves are that several of the instruments when busked with gain blue tokens, which could then be used to extend the Turn and effectively negate the the long Duration of Busking (not that I have a problem with the idea of extending the Turn and Busking as well, just the notion of Busking in order to gain the Tokens needed to extend the Turn in which the Busking was done). >Proposal 460 - Red Card [other, multiple] Fair enough. I suppose that's what happens when something doesn't get used. >Proposal 463 - Deny Everything! [Enactment, Action] Kevan pointed out - :We probably need it changed to "[Denying : ]" for clarity, but yes - bravo. Oh, splot, yes. Would a Point of Order to reword it be permissible? Basically, replace "[Denying the ______ Manoeuvre]" with "[Denying the ______ Manoeuvre by ]" and similarly for Gambit. (actually, a subsequent Amendment would probably be alright since the Proposed format is unambiguous except in the unlikely circumstance where more than one Player is trying for the same Manoeuvre and is at the same stage) Incidentally, congratulations to Kevan on the redesigned MorNomic web site - very pleasing. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Aug 5 00:16:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15120 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1998 07:16:41 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1998 07:16:41 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03598 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:16:15 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03595 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:16:07 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id RAA25158; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:16:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma025131; Wed, 5 Aug 98 17:15:36 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:15:35 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01F1@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:15:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 4 3 4 3 1 0 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 6 | 4 1 4 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 3 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 4 | 5 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 0000 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | Boston Manor | Bk | |Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Westbourne Park | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] {Comment: Game Time moved on Fiendish plans aborted due to several complexities. It seems I can't even claim the Token Run, since I didn't arrive at Edgware Road on the District. Seems vaguely unfair - I mean, what else is Edgware Road's District terminus useful for? :-) Sorry also for the delay - things have been very hectic around here. 10mins LV+3 10mins -1Bk Line Change move (on Westbourne Park) +1Br Zone 2 again. 10mins Collecting Hat } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) Tue Aug 4 23:37:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28787 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1998 06:37:15 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1998 06:37:15 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02925 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:36:24 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA02922 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:36:21 +0100 Received: from (lazarus.demon.co.uk) [158.152.31.180] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3xBM-0006BM-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:36:20 +0000 From: duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 - Where Are We? Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 06:33:42 GMT Message-ID: <35c7fc58.1812137@p...> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id HAA02923 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Where are we with Game 8? Would I be right in thinking that we're waiting for PaulWay's response to dave's Buzz? Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 5 02:44:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28457 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1998 09:44:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1998 09:44:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06500 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:44:11 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06495 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:44:06 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p18.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.18]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA25709 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:44:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:44:02 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808050944.KAA25709@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 15: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> We can do away with the Kudos modifiers too, really, leaving >> the standard "+1 FOR/-1 AGAINST" bit to deal with it. } >Not a problem, but why is it mentioned in such a definitive way and not >implemented? It's already in there. You get +1 Kudos for every FOR Vote one of your Proposals receives; it seems reasonable to assume that this goes for Eprops as well as normal Proposals. >>Proposal 458 - Emergency Brakes [enactment, action] > >Oh look, an Enactment Action - and not one of mine, either. A fair enough comment; I think I was just subconsciously eager to do away with them because it means about thirty seconds' extra ruleset formatting for me. I'll bring them back whenever I'm stuck for a third Proposal, unless anyone else beats me there. >>I seem to remember originally the busking action had to be >>preformed with a move of Pass, but that seems to be no longer the case -- >No, that's not true - Busking was Proposed in Week 3 of this Year >(Proposal 360) and there is no mention of requiring a Move of Pass. It's just the fifty-minute duration that tends to require it, and the few cases where it's been used have been after a Pass. The only other time you can use it is after a Move with no LV change, which is perhaps a bit odd and needs spannering. >>I've deliberately lost the permission to perform the action more than >>once on the same turn -- this can be put back in easily enough if people >feel >>strongly about it} >You'll get no argument from me - I don't think it should be allowed multiply >at all. I just left that one in as a vague "Blue to Bronze" convertor for anyone who fancied frittering their Tokens away on extending Game Time. >>Proposal 463 - Deny Everything! [Enactment, Action] > >Kevan pointed out - >:We probably need it changed to "[Denying >: ]" for clarity, but yes - bravo. > >Oh, splot, yes. Would a Point of Order to reword it be permissible? Might as well, yes; nobody's Voted, after all, and it's nothing too drastic and counter-intuitive. [tinkers] Done. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Angel, oh, angel; here to brighten up my darkest day." -- Space, "Avenging Angels" From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 5 02:46:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28849 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1998 09:46:03 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1998 09:46:03 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06505 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:44:14 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06499 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:44:10 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p18.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.18]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA25715 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:44:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:44:07 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808050944.KAA25715@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Web page problems Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just a note to say that the HTML ruleset won't be up for a day or two, since my Innotts account appears to be, er, full. Spanging a year and a half of Mornomic backlog into it probably didn't please it very much. I'll be shifting the whole shebang over to some free Web space at some point - probably Xoom, since I don't think they've got irking pop-up adverts all over the place. Bear with me, anyway. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "We've had Cant conformism since 1966, but now subversion's in the air in the shape of flying bricks." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "The Trumpton Riots" From Wed Aug 5 05:24:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18835 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1998 12:24:16 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1998 12:24:16 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09762 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:22:14 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09759 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:22:11 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00820 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:22:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 5 Aug 1998 12:22:09 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA08049; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:22:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199808051222.NAA08049@uks447> Date: 05 Aug 98 13:19:34 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: busking X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 05-Aug-98 12:37 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Actually, one of my ideas is to introduce an anti-busking action along the >lines of 'alerting transport police', but I'm struggling with the finer points >of the action mechanics. :-) That's a rather nice idea... I can see why it would be difficult though, since Busking is self-contained within a Turn and what you'd really want would be to confiscate any Tokens earned through Busking, but if they've already been spent... perhaps a general fine instead? I faced a similar dilemma with failed Denials - ideally, I'd have liked to arrange to take back any Tokens gained through a Denial if it didn't work but you can't really do that if the Tokens have already been used for various Actions. >I'm also interested in the idea of introducing more random elements to play, >but again the problem is how to implement them -- one thought is to use the >dice server at pbm.com, as is used in Ackanomic (and, I dare say, other email >nomics). What would people reckon to that? Would it be making things too >complicated? Interesting - could be rather good. If we want random selection of Stations, Lines, or whatever (Stations by Line? By Quadrant? By Zone?) we might want to prepare some numbered lists which we could use as lookups for the results of any dice rolls. I'll just off and remodel my program... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 5 09:38:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32274 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1998 16:38:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1998 16:38:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15743 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:37:18 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15740 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:37:14 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p21.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.21]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA22040 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:37:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:37:09 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808051637.RAA22040@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Busking / Random Factor Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Actually, one of my ideas is to introduce an anti-busking action along the >>lines of 'alerting transport police', but I'm struggling with the finer >points >>of the action mechanics. >:-) > >That's a rather nice idea... I can see why it would be difficult though, >since Busking is self-contained within a Turn and what you'd really want >would be to confiscate any Tokens earned through Busking, but if they've >already been spent... perhaps a general fine instead? A fixed fine sounds a good idea - either 'n' Bronzes (with maybe a forced Pass if you can't pay), or a simple loss of all Bronze Tokens. Having the alerting Action as performable by any Player who has passed through the Station the Player was Busking at seems quite intuitive and reasonable, too... (After experiences this weekend on the Tube, perhaps a new "Jester's" Hat might be in order, to give bonuses to Busking...) >>I'm also interested in the idea of introducing more random elements to >play, >>but again the problem is how to implement them -- one thought is to use the >>dice server at pbm.com, as is used in Ackanomic (and, I dare say, other >email >>nomics). What would people reckon to that? Would it be making things too >>complicated? > >Interesting - could be rather good. I'd been considering such things for a while, particularly for the Courier Calls. One relatively easy solution seemed to be that of a simple Web page which contained a random pair of Stations each day, based on the date; whenever a Player did a Courier Call, we used those two (or waited 'til the next day and used those). Cheating is the thing, though. Done in Javascript it could be quite easily hacked, and even compiled Java is fiddlable by putting your system clock forward to see what the new day might bring. Even with a few "take account of Game Time and add every third Token total to the initial seed" additions, it's not too hard for someone to plot ahead and work out what the random decision would be. The dice server (which I remember Thring using) seems perhaps a good solution, really depending on how many random elements the game is going to have. For the odd Courier Call and whatnot, I suppose it'd be feasible, but much more and we'd end up with considerable excess traffic on the list. Not to mention it slowing down the Game a lot if we have any immediate random Actions - if you perform the "[Random Wild]" Action to make a random Station a Valid Move, you have to prod the server halfway through your Move. And by doing this you really limit yourself to sticking with your decision - if you think "Ah, no, I'd actually rather do something else, because I forgot I had that Silver.", it's going to look like the (perfectly valid, of course) "Ah, that's not a very good result, I'll do something else." GSD replacement. Random elements would be a welcome addition; I'm just not so sure they'd be easy to apply to anything other than events which can be deemed as taking place between Turns. >If we want random selection of Stations, Lines, or whatever (Stations by >Line? By Quadrant? By Zone?) we might want to prepare some numbered lists >which we could use as lookups for the results of any dice rolls. Venbacker Numbers, to quote the Encyclopaedia Morningtonia. Be very afraid. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "The passing of time, and all of its crimes, is making me sad again." -- The Smiths, "Rubber Ring" From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 5 10:24:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23950 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1998 17:24:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1998 17:24:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA16773 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:22:07 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16766 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:22:01 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p56.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.56]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA25354 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:21:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:21:50 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808051721.SAA25354@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Camden High Street / Real Life Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Well, the local residents for a start. They are actually planning to rename >Chalk Farm to Camden Market and Mornington Crescent to Camden High Street -- >the point being to ease congestion at Camden Town station. Ah, yes. I can see their point - Camden Town was as crowded as usual the other day, but the Crescent was absolutely deserted... Rather harsh measures, though. I've always thought the Tube map could use some sort of symbol to show which Stations are within a few minutes' walking distance of others, myself. >I think if this looks like actually happening (it probably won't -- such things >are often suggested and never get very far), we should just have a vote to keep >the map in its current state. I suppose. See which way IMCS jump on it, I suppose. Playing with a new map but using "Mornington Crescent" as a synonym for "Camden High Street" isn't too bothersome. >Actually, we could have some interesting games using old maps -- my dad has an >old A to Z with no Jubilee Line, and the Victoria Line 'under construction'. I've seen some interesting old ones on postcards, back in the days where half the lines didn't exist... They feature the Crescent, as well, so might be worth a glance. >[real-life Mornomic] >You'd have to make all sorts of economies of scale -- ditch the rule changing >for a start -- but you could also introduce other aspects to game play. I think >the hardest thing to keep track of would be LV, so you'd probably have to >resort to dice. As a random distance per turn? Perhaps. We could probably get away with each having a twelve-sided die which we rotated to show our current LV, though. Or something like that. We'd each need a bit of table-space for counters and mini-sized chocolate bars and things, either way. >As for actions, I would favour an 'Action Card' approach where >you bought the cards in advance with your tokens and played them as appropriate >-- durations could be marked on the cards, and game time kept track of on a >mock clock. Complicated, but I think it might work. I'd long considered a "card" approach to the game - although I suppose it's in keeping with the style of the original, having huge lists of possible Actions is somewhat tricky, in that you've either got to remember them all, or keep looking at the list. Writing a real-life Crescent from scratch, I'd be tempted to etch up a load of Action Cards and give Players five at the start of the game, replacing them when used. By keeping most of the rules on the cards, disputes and mistakes are reduced quite heavily - you'll never forget how a Shunt works, and if an opponent challenges you can show them the card. Plus you could throw in a lot of obscure new Actions (Trufflesbury Shunts that work slightly differently, and so forth) which, although they'd complicate an email game a little, wouldn't impact this version at all. Each Action would still have a Token cost; you'd pay it when you played the card. It all becomes scarily like Magic: The Gathering, I suppose - you could even let Players build their own decks of Actions rather than draw from a communal one, so you could build yourself a fast Red offensive deck, a Blue Drone-control deck, a Black PoID deck... Hmm... >I'll have to write to Mr MB and see what he thinks. I'm still slightly tempted to actually write up the ideas I've had for an Uno-style Mornington Crescent (you can only play Stations on the same Line as the previous one, Straddle cards let you switch to any Line, Block cards force the other Player to miss eir Turn, Shunt cards force the other Player to pick up two cards, and to win the Game you must play MC as your last card) and give Waddingtons a nudge. Certainly something for the London Transport Museum giftshop, if not the BBC's one. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I play postal chess with a man who doesn't know me." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "4AD3DCD" From Wed Aug 5 14:47:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 05-Aug-98 08:15 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 4 3 4 3 1 0 | |*Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 9 | 4 1 5 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 0 | 3 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 4 | 5 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 0500 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | Boston Manor | Bk | |Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Westbourne Park | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) { Comment: Sorry, forgot to move this morning - urgent bit of pedantry to be performed on someone's document. Same as before, but I'll repeat... Changed at Monument to switch to Bank's Central connection. In gruesome detail: 10 mins LV change 10 mins Move +1 Br Zone Pass -1 Bk line change +1 Bk passed through 3 interchanges +1 Re played 2 line interchange Tempers fuggit. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Elusive Wed Aug 5 16:11:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 4 3 4 3 1 0 | |*Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 9 | 4 1 5 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 4 | 5 0 3 2 2 2 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 0600 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | Boston Manor | Bk | |Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Westbourne Park | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] { Comment: Game Time, etc. +1 Black for Same Line } From Wed Aug 5 16:34:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19800 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1998 23:34:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1998 23:34:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA25111 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:33:49 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25098 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:33:39 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA05300; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:30:20 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma005172; Thu, 6 Aug 98 09:30:01 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:30:00 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01F2@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Next Game Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:29:54 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thursday, August 06, 1998 12:25 AM, kenningd@w... [SMTP:kenningd@w...] wrote: > Well, the local residents for a start. They are actually planning to > rename Chalk Farm to Camden Market and Mornington Crescent to > Camden High Street -- the point being to ease congestion at Camden > Town station. I'd just _love_ to know how they think that renaming stations is going to ease congestion... > Actually, we could have some interesting games using old maps -- my dad > has an old A to Z with no Jubilee Line, and the Victoria Line 'under > construction'. Please scan and post these to me in bitmap form; I love collecting old maps of the underground. Sad, but there you go. :-) Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 5 16:50:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 4 3 4 3 1 0 | |*Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 9 | 4 1 5 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 6 | 5 5 4 3 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 0700 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ |Kings X St.Pancrs| BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | |Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | | | |Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Westbourne Park | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [Mind the Gap] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Collecting Hat] { Comments : Ludicrum tempus fugit. +1 Gold for the Run. -1 Silver; Mind that Gap (Silver on Boston Manor). -1 Black for a frivolous "[Line Change]" Action (Black on Boston Manor). +3 Red and +5 Blue for completing a Black/Silver/Black Stack. +1 Black for a same-Line Move. +1 Bronze for a Zone 3. } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "And a clock somewhere strikes midnight, and an explanation it drains me." -- Morrissey, "Girl Least Likely To" From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 5 16:54:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28669 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1998 23:54:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1998 23:54:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA25581 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:52:53 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25578 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:52:49 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p58.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.58]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA22406 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:52:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:52:45 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808052352.AAA22406@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Camden High Street Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> Well, the local residents for a start. They are actually planning to >> rename Chalk Farm to Camden Market and Mornington Crescent to >> Camden High Street -- the point being to ease congestion at Camden >> Town station. > >I'd just _love_ to know how they think that renaming stations is going >to ease congestion... Presumably it'll confuse tourists enough so that they won't all go to Camden Town when they're trying to get to the market there. The Crescent's only a short walk from Camden shops proper (and is in Camden anyway, I think), and the fact that it seems frequently deserted whilst Camden Town is so congested that they have impromptu "enter from this side only" signs about the place; this does seem like something of a solution. Rather a saddening one, though. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "The word is 'pedantry'." -- Jonathan Creek From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 5 16:55:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29603 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Aug 1998 23:55:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1998 23:55:43 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA25616 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:54:10 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25612 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:54:07 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p58.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.58]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA22483 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:54:03 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:54:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808052354.AAA22483@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: New Web site Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just to let you know that the Mornomic pages have been kicked over to Xoom, since they were getting too big for the boots Innotts provided. The new URL is pointed to from the old one, but for those with no time to lose:- http://members.xoom.com/mornomic Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Ain't got a plan on paper, of a daring little caper; you know I wouldn't want to wet your eyes." -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "I'm Not Even Going To Try" From Thu Aug 6 02:06:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16287 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Aug 1998 09:06:11 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 09:06:11 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02369 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:04:16 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02364 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:04:12 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA12163 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:04:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 09:04:10 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00024; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:04:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199808060904.KAA00024@uks447> Date: 06 Aug 98 09:59:14 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 - Buzz on Kevan X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 06-Aug-98 00:49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Kevan moved: > Kevan : [Token Running] [Mind the Gap] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) > [Collecting Hat] > -1 Silver; Mind that Gap (Silver on Boston Manor). > -1 Black for a frivolous "[Line Change]" Action (Black on Boston Manor). I suspect there is an element of trolling here... anyway, I'll bite. I was going to buzz that you'd changed line after Gapminding. But in actuality, of course, you haven't changed line. So instead I'll buzz that you have not, in fact, played a Line Change Action, and hence cannot place that Black Token. >From Rule 1.5.11: "The Line Change Action ... is implicit from the listed Line Codes" Since the line codes you've played are for a single line only, you cannot have played a Line Change. > +1 Black for a same-Line Move. ... and then to claim a same-line Black is just taking the mickey, frankly. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Thu Aug 6 04:17:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26639 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Aug 1998 11:17:34 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 11:17:34 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05153 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:15:45 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05150 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:15:42 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p03.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.3]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA24148 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:15:38 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:15:38 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808061115.MAA24148@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Game 8 - Buzz on Kevan Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Since the line codes you've played are for a single line only, you cannot >have played a Line Change. A fair point, on reflection. Conceded. Expect a replacement, far more complex GSD shortly... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "So let us go soon, to the street shaped like the moon." -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "Life on a Crescent" From Kevan Davis Thu Aug 6 04:17:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 4 3 4 3 1 0 | |*Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 9 | 4 1 5 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 6 | 5 4 3 3 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 0800 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBk | Boston Manor | Bu | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Westbourne Park | Bk | | Custom House | Br | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] { Comments : Grief. Right. Watch carefully. 0 mins | Ludicrum tempus fugit. | 10 mins | +1 Gold for the Run. 10 mins | [LV+2] 10 mins | The Move itself. 0 mins | +1 Black for a same-Line Move. 0 mins | +1 Bronze for a Zone 3. 10 mins | -1 Silver; Mind that Gap (Silver on Boston Manor). 10 mins | Collecting the Hat. 5 mins | -1 Bronze; dropped at Custom House 20 mins | -1 Black; Straddling (Black on Boston Manor). 0 mins | +3 Red and +5 Blue for completing a Black/Silver/Black Stack. 10 mins | -1 Blue; Ludicrum tempus fugit, gaining an hour (Blue on | Boston Manor). ---------+--------------------------------------------------------------- 85 mins | Entire Turn duration; less than the allowed 120 minutes. } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "There's no-one in view, just you, just you. And time will never wipe you out." -- Morrissey, "I'd Love To" From Thu Aug 6 05:04:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9295 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Aug 1998 12:04:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 12:04:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06093 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:03:11 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06088 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:03:08 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07125 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:03:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 12:03:07 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA24759; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:03:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199808061203.NAA24759@uks447> Date: 06 Aug 98 12:56:24 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: New Web site X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 06-Aug-98 00:54 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > http://members.xoom.com/mornomic Very nice. Reasonably quick, and no adverts. A good thing. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Thu Aug 6 06:54:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24795 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Aug 1998 13:54:21 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 13:54:21 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08282 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:52:54 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08278 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:52:48 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p16.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.16]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA03782 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:52:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:52:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808061352.OAA03782@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: our survey says... Paul to Referee Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Well, I believe the rules still say that actions take place in the order >specified, though I haven't checked, Carol Vorderman (1.13.3) does, indeed, say:- "Actions and Piece movement occur in sequence such that the total duration of a Player's Turn is calculated by adding the durations of the individual components." >that's 55 minutes so far, so this: > >> 20 mins | -1 Black; Straddling (Black on Boston Manor). > >takes you over your allotted hour, so you can't then do this: > >> 0 mins | +3 Red and +5 Blue for completing a Black/Silver/Black Stack. >> 10 mins | -1 Blue; Ludicrum tempus fugit, gaining an hour (Blue on >> | Boston Manor). > >Even though the rule may not specifically say you're not allowed to do this, I >think there's enough in the rules about sequence and so on to prevent such a >cheeky ploy. I did think long and hard about this, doing much biro-sucking and trying to sequence it so that I'd advance the Game Time before doing more than sixty minutes of stuff. Then I realised I didn't need to; the only restriction on Turn duration is (Carol, again):- "A Turn may not have a total duration of more than one hour of Game Time (unless otherwise permitted or specified). Playing a Turn the total duration of which exceeds the allotted Game Time is an Illegal Move." Which I read as meaning "When you submit a Turn, if its total duration is greater than your allotted Time, it's Illegal." One only Plays a Turn when the email is submitted to the mailing list, after all. Perhaps it could use rewording to "If the performing of an Action or Move would take the total duration of that Turn beyond the currently allotted Game Time, that Action may not be performed.", but I feel this is Proposal material rather than a swift and obvious Eprop. >I think if you want to do the straddle, you'll need to lose at least 15 minutes >worth of other actions (presumably the hat collecting and bronze dropping), >then of course you won't need the extra hour, so you can lose that as well and >you'll be all right. Well, except I couldn't Straddle without a dropped Bronze. Much arsing about just to sneakily get myself some extra Tokens, I know, but Julie's looking a bit of a threat and I may need to wake the Drone up. These sort of Rules need to be hit with a hammer to see what noise people hear, anyway. I'll bow my head and pay the price if this gets judged against. Sorry to slow things up. Anyway - Paul has been selected to Referee this one. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "How I love all of the complicated things of life." -- Morrissey, "Such a Little Thing Makes Such a Big Difference (Live)" From Thu Aug 6 10:25:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30150 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Aug 1998 17:24:57 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 17:24:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13011 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:24:11 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13008 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:24:07 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA10617 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:24:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 17:24:05 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA28858; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:24:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199808061724.SAA28858@uks447> Date: 06 Aug 98 13:53:16 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: our survey says... X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 06-Aug-98 13:37 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) dave wrote: >I think if you want to do the straddle, you'll need to lose at least 15 minutes >worth of other actions (presumably the hat collecting and bronze dropping), >then of course you won't need the extra hour, so you can lose that as well and >you'll be all right. Actually, the bronze dropping is crucial to Kevan's Move since that's the token stack e's Straddling from! The only other Action e could drop would be the Token Running, and I bet e doesn't want to do that... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Thu Aug 6 15:43:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19614 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Aug 1998 22:43:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 22:43:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA20778 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:42:34 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20773 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:42:19 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id IAA12972; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:42:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma012877; Fri, 7 Aug 98 08:41:44 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:41:44 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E01F8@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: Move length and duration judgement Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:41:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Good morning. What I believe I'm being asked to judge is whether a move can go beyond its currently allotted time before the entire move is finished. I'm broadening my remit somewhat, so as to not only cover the [Game Time: +0n00] action, but also in the future where we might have time-travelling or specific actions allowing any length of move (although I don't advocate these proposals :-). I see this as essentially the same question. The question seems to ride on the meaning of the phrase "in sequence" in the first paragraph of Rule 1.13.3 (Carol Vorderman's Revenge). The first paragraph of the Rule states: "Any Action or the movement of the Player's Piece shall have a duration of ten minutes of Game Time unless otherwise specified. Actions and Piece movement occur in sequence such that the total duration of a Player's Turn is calculated by adding the durations of the individual components." In this context, "in sequence" applies to the "Actions and Piece movement", specifically to the calculation of the total duration of a Player's Turn. "In sequence" would seem to imply that actions cannot be overlaid so that two actions are performed in the same time. dave and Kevan both admit that "in sequence" could also mean that the Turn must be of legal duration at every step of the calculations. However, this paragraph does not mention the legal length of the Turn at all. The last paragraph of the rule covers it: "A turn may not have a total duration of more than one hour of Game Time (unless otherwise permitted or specified)." The total duration of a Turn can only be calculated at the end of the Turn, which would include any Actions to extend the Turn duration. I can see no reasoning in the rules (either in 1.13.3 or elsewhere) which states the contrary. I judge that a Turn's duration is only calculated at the end of the Turn, and thus Kevan's move is an Officially Legal Move. Enjoy your freem. Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Richard Brockie Mon Aug 10 05:52:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16732 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Aug 1998 12:52:47 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1998 12:52:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14871 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:50:21 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14868 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:50:17 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk (flotta.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.36]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA00263 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:50:14 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:50:12 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Subject: Re: MN: New Web site In-Reply-To: <199808052354.AAA22483@c...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > Just to let you know that the Mornomic pages have been kicked over to Xoom, > since they were getting too big for the boots Innotts provided. The new URL > is pointed to from the old one, but for those with no time to lose:- > > http://members.xoom.com/mornomic And fab it is to, though the Game archive could be updated... --- miKi From Tue Aug 11 00:17:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19188 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Aug 1998 07:17:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1998 07:17:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA04967 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:16:54 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04963 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:16:45 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id RAA13058; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:17:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma013033; Tue, 11 Aug 98 17:16:35 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:16:07 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0209@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:16:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 4 4 4 2 3 1 | |*Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 3 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 9 | 4 1 5 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 6 | 5 4 3 3 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1000 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V) | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Boston Manor | Bu | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBu | | Custom House | Br | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith { Comments: -1Br Chocolate Bar 10mins +1Br Zone 2 Pass +1Bk Same Line Move 10mins(LV)+10mins(Move) That's all I can think of now - I was going to raise the bridges on dave but as he's barricaded himself into the south of the Northern there doesn't seem to be any urgency about it... Have fun, Paul } From Tue Aug 11 00:25:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22143 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Aug 1998 07:25:00 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1998 07:25:00 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA05058 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:23:48 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05055 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:23:42 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id RAA14232; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:24:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma014185; Tue, 11 Aug 98 17:23:49 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:23:21 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E020A@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:23:16 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 4 4 4 2 3 1 | |*Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 6 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 9 | 4 1 5 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 6 | 5 4 3 3 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1100 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Boston Manor | Bu | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBu | | Custom House | Br | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith { Comments: -1Br Chocolate Bar 10mins +1Br Zone 2 Pass +1Bk Same Line Move 10mins(LV)+10mins(Move) That's all I can think of now - I was going to raise the bridges on dave but as he's barricaded himself into the south of the Northern there doesn't seem to be any urgency about it... Of course, it would help if I updated the tables. Have fun, Paul } From Tue Aug 11 01:51:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20311 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Aug 1998 08:51:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1998 08:51:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA06536 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:50:18 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06533 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:50:13 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA24472 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:50:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 11 Aug 1998 08:50:11 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09355; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:50:10 +0100 Message-Id: <199808110850.JAA09355@uks447> Date: 11 Aug 98 09:47:52 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 11-Aug-98 08:23 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 4 4 4 2 3 1 | |*Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 5 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 10 | 5 1 2 1 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 6 | 5 4 3 3 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1200 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Boston Manor | Bu | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBu | | Custom House | Br | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith Dunx : [LV+1] Queen's Park (BL) [Using the Trellis Roundhouse Manouevre] [Purchasing Money Belt] { Comment: PaulWay updated his LV wrongly - it was 3 before, LV+2 makes it 5. He'd put in 6 (which I was going to buzz, since Hammersmith is only 5 stops from Westbourne Park) but I'm assuming it was just finger trouble so I've just tweaked the table. Anyway... [10 mins] (LV change) [10 mins] (move) +1 Bk (same line) +1 Br (Zone pass) +1 Bk (three interchanges) +1 Go, +1 Si, +1 Br [5 mins] (Trellis Roundhouse) (I wonder if this should be worth more...) -5 Br [10 mins] (Money Belt - all vapourised) Game Time updated } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Aug 11 12:31:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23912 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Aug 1998 19:31:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1998 19:31:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA20963 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:28:14 +0100 Received: from relay3.force9.net (relay3.force9.net [195.166.128.26]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA20960 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:28:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199808111928.UAA20960@q...> Received: (qmail 16589 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1998 19:29:29 -0000 Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by relay3.force9.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 1998 19:29:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 195 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1998 19:23:33 -0000 Received: from 64.usr02.shef.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.132.192) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 1998 19:23:33 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Game 8 -- Re-activation. Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:22:29 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith > Dunx : [LV+1] Queen's Park (BL) [Using the Trellis Roundhouse Manouevre] > [Purchasing Money Belt] I shall shout 'boo' and leap back into this game. A lost cause, perhaps, but I feel I need the practice. -Graeme. From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 00:13:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15441 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 07:13:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 07:13:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA01555 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:11:38 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01552 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:11:35 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p16.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.16]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA12985 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:11:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:11:32 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808120711.IAA12985@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Sloppy Week-End Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just to apologise for the lack of any Week-End stuff yesterday; expect it later on today, once I've finished sorting it all out. Regards, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "So now I walk these streets. Somewhere it's summer, and someone's birthday." -- Jack, "Hope is a Liar" From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 01:01:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1690 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 08:01:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 08:01:03 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02435 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:00:41 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02431 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:00:38 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p11.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.11]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA15475 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:00:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:00:34 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808120800.JAA15475@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Julie's Inactivity Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just a bit of announcement-by-proxy - Julie will be Inactive until the 24th, since she's off on holiday for a bit. It would seem she forgot to mail the list before she awayed this morning. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Do you reminisce in black and white?" -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "Black and White" From Wed Aug 12 01:20:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: Re: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 11-Aug-98 09:47 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 3 | 4 4 4 2 3 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 5 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 10 | 5 1 2 1 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 6 | 5 4 3 3 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1200 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Boston Manor | Bu | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBu | | Custom House | Br | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith Dunx : [LV+1] Queen's Park (BL) [Using the Trellis Roundhouse Manouevre] [Purchasing Money Belt] { Comment: Just a quick repost to update the activation states - Grimace back in the game, Julie duly asterisked (have a good holiday!). It's your go, Kevan. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 01:30:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13986 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 08:30:36 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 08:30:36 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03131 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:29:52 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03128 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:29:48 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p14.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.14]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA17018 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:29:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:29:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808120829.JAA17018@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 16: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Sixteen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 464 - Der-der, der-der, der-der-der-der [Amendment] In Rule 1.13.3 (Carol Vorderman's Revenge), replace the final paragraph with:- "If at any point during a Turn the total duration of all performed Moves and Actions exceeds that of the allotted period of Game Time for that Turn, at that point, that Turn shall be considered Illegal." { Comments : Putting it forward to see what people think - whether you should only be able to reap the rewards of a "[Game Time: +0x00]" Action after it's been performed, rather than bolting it on at the end of your Turn to give you any extra Game Time you need. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 465 - Lights, Camera... [Amendment] If Proposal 455 passed last Week, add the following to the list of valid Proposal Types:- "* Action - To enact a new Rule specifying an Action, and to automatically update the relevant Action List." { Comments : Replacing a bit that shouldn't have been taken out, in retrospect. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 466 - Extraneous Details You Can Live Without [Other, Multiple] Repeal Rules 1.19.2 (A little bit of local colour) and 1.19.3 (Rule 783f), in the name of sanity. { Comments : As has been stated before, the former does nothing except to introduce pointless or unhelpful Game mechanics, and the latter serves absolutely no purpose except to confuse new Players and maybe cause needless precedence problems at a later date. None of these Rule aspects have ever been used, two of them are unusable anyway; time to die, I think. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 467 - Snap! [Repeal] Repeal Rule 1.4.9 (What a Banker) {Comment: I don't really know why this hasn't been repealed before -- the introduction of the money belt made it pretty much redundant, since the money belt is a more convenient way to protect tokens (provided, of course, you can afford to buy one)} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 468 - Crackle! [Repeal] Repeal Rule 1.4.10 (This Token has a Cash Value of 0.0001p). {Comment: I can't see that it is ever likely to be used} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 469 - Pop! [Repeal] Repeal Rule 1.4.11 (Token Running) {Comment: I was going to propose reinstating the outside Zone 1 restriction but someone got there before me, then I remembered how surprised I was at how close it came to being repealed before, so let's try it again and see if we can catch people in the right mood... the rationale for getting rid of it is that without placing ludicrously convoluted restrictions on Token Running it's by far the easiest way to acquire Gold Tokens and we need some incentive to use the other available methods (hat collecting, visiting, courier pick-up, completing token stacks) and even think up new ones} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 470 - Token Alien [Amendment] Amend Rule 1.4.19 (Token Tracking) to remove the condition which reads: "It must be in a different Quadrant to the Player's final location" { Comment: No one is obeying this rule, so we might as well drop it. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 01:30:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13863 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 08:30:17 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 08:30:17 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03124 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:29:46 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03121 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:29:43 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p14.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.14]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA17007 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:29:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:29:36 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808120829.JAA17007@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 16: Voting Results for Week 15 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 453 There's An Emergency... 4 7 - 2 Amends 0.7.2, 0.9.1 454 Team Shake-Up 4 7 - 2 Amends 1.20.1/3, Repeals 1.20.2, Renumbers 455 Unconsidered Trifles 4 7 - 2 Amends 0.4.1/3/4/5, Repeals 0.4.2/6/7/8 456 Through a glass clearly 3 7 1 2 Amends 1.16.3 457 Reverse Straddles 1 7 3 2 Fails 458 Emergency Brakes 2 7 2 2 Fails 459 One-man Band 3 7 1 2 Amends 1.4.18, 1.7.20 460 Red Card 3 7 1 2 Amends 1.4.18/12, Repeals 1.4.5 461 Rezoning 4 7 - 2 Amends 1.4.11 462 Specialisation 4 7 - 2 Amends 2.1.1 463 Deny Everything! 4 7 - 2 Enacts 1.18.4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 453 (Kevan) FOR FOR - - - FOR - FOR - - - 454 (Kevan) FOR FOR - - - FOR - FOR - - - 455 (Kevan) FOR FOR - - - FOR - FOR - - - 456 (miKi) FOR FOR - - - AGA FOR - - - - 457 (miKi) AGA AGA - - - FOR AGA - - - - 458 (dave) - AGA - - - FOR AGA FOR - - - 459 (dave) - FOR - - - FOR AGA FOR - - - 460 (dave) - FOR - - - FOR AGA FOR - - - 461 (Dunx) FOR - - - - FOR FOR FOR - - - 462 (Dunx) FOR - - - - FOR FOR FOR - - - 463 (Dunx) FOR - - - - FOR FOR FOR - - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 22 17 5 0 29 5 42 2 0 1 0 Halved: 11 8 2 21 1 0 FOR Votes: +8 +12 +0 +12 +4 +0 AGA Votes: -4 -0 -0 -0 -4 -0 Decisiveness: +0 +0 +0 I I I +0 +0 +0 I I Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 n n n -0 -0 -0 n n a a a a a Passed EPs: +0 +0 +0 c c c +0 +0 +0 c c Failed EPs: -0 -0 -0 t t t -0 -0 -0 t t Dead Wood: +2 +0 +0 i i i +10 +0 +0 i i Finger/Pulse: +5 +5 +0 v v v +0 +0 +0 v v e e e e e Award Ceremony: +4 +3 +0 +3 +3 +0 [a] Final Kudos: 26 28 0 0 29 5 46 4 0 1 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 0 0 2 3 0 0 0 0 3 2 3 [b] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - Dunx (Rezoning) CAMREC Cleanup Award - miKi (Through a glass clearly) Mrs Trellis Award - dave (One-man Band) For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) [b] Paul is now Inactive. From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 01:50:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21151 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 08:50:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 08:50:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03723 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:49:23 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03719 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:49:20 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p09.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.9]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA18528 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:49:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:49:16 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808120849.JAA18528@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Game 8 Activity Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >{ Comment: > Just a quick repost to update the activation states - Grimace back in the > game, Julie duly asterisked (have a good holiday!). > > It's your go, Kevan. >} It's the Turn of friend Drone, actually, since dave is carrying the Stick... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Watching my face disappear in the mirror; all in the name of another night in." -- Strangelove, "Another Night In" From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 02:02:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25853 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 09:02:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 09:02:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04043 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:01:30 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04037 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:01:26 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p04.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.4]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA19639 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:01:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:01:21 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808120901.KAA19639@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Proposal musings... Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Proposal 467 - Snap! [Repeal] > >Repeal Rule 1.4.9 (What a Banker) > >{Comment: I don't really know why this hasn't been repealed before -- the >introduction of the money belt made it pretty much redundant, since the money >belt is a more convenient way to protect tokens (provided, of course, you can >afford to buy one)} For some reason, I thought Money Belts had been taken out long ago - they're still there, though. I seem to recall quite a vigourous debate of them being far too powerful, but looking back the Proposal to get rid of them didn't pass... I don't know - Banking is a bit questionable in the fact that it lets people Bank Tokens early on and pull them out to surprise people (another Game aspect that wouldn't lend too well to showing only recent Moves). Maybe this could use tinkering - something along the lines of being able to send Tokens back to your Home Station's Stack, perhaps...? >Proposal 468 - Crackle! [Repeal] > >Repeal Rule 1.4.10 (This Token has a Cash Value of 0.0001p). > >{Comment: I can't see that it is ever likely to be used} Oh, I don't know - a few Morden paradoxes, some thoughtful Token exchanges, a bit of careful Titheing... I quite like it as an alternative way to collect Gold (particularly if we're doing away with Token Running); rarely used, yes, but it's not taking up too much space in the Ruleset. >Proposal 469 - Pop! [Repeal] > >Repeal Rule 1.4.11 (Token Running) Probably a good thing, I think. We can always bring it back if it's proving too difficult to get hold of the glittery things through other means. >Proposal 470 - Token Alien [Amendment] > >Amend Rule 1.4.19 (Token Tracking) to remove the condition which reads: > > "It must be in a different Quadrant to the Player's final location" > >{ Comment: > No one is obeying this rule, so we might as well drop it. >} Er, aren't we? I always have been, and I think it's quite an essential clause, if only to avoid "Putting a Player in Spoon, placing the Gold at your location, collecting it, doing it again, etc." trickery. Maybe it'd be easier with just something to stop Players collecting Tokens they've placed that Turn. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I was tired again, I tried again and now my heart is full, now my heart is full, and I just can't explain so I won't even try to." -- Morrissey, "Now My Heart Is Full" From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 02:02:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25861 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 09:02:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 09:02:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04047 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:01:32 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04041 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:01:28 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p04.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.4]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA19642 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:01:23 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:01:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808120901.KAA19642@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: New Game... Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) A quick straw poll before I press any buttons - since the Long Game is looking a bit unworkable and hasn't been fixed at all, shall we start up a basic-rules Team Game, now that the new Rules for it are in place? Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Oh, I didn't realise that you wrote poetry. I didn't realise you wrote such bloody awful poetry." -- The Smiths, "Frankly, Mr Shankly" From Wed Aug 12 02:13:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30508 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 09:13:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 09:13:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04335 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:12:54 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04330 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:12:50 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA28775 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:12:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 09:12:49 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA29280; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:12:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199808120912.KAA29280@uks447> Date: 12 Aug 98 10:10:39 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: New Game... X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 12-Aug-98 10:01 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >A quick straw poll before I press any buttons - since the Long Game is >looking a bit unworkable and hasn't been fixed at all, shall we start >up a basic-rules Team Game, now that the new Rules for it are in place? Sounds good to me. Could I start the Blue team, then? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Aug 12 02:14:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31248 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 09:14:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 09:14:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04360 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:14:18 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA04357 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:14:15 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA19422; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:17:04 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:38:27 +0100 Message-Id: <98081114382785@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 7 | 4 4 4 2 3 1 | |*Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 5 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 10 | 5 1 2 1 3 1 | | Drone | | 0 | 0 0 2 0 0 0 | | Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 6 | 5 4 3 3 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1300 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBkBkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Boston Manor | Bu | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBuReRe | | Custom House | Br | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith Dunx : [LV+1] Queen's Park (BL) [Using the Trellis Roundhouse Manouevre] [Purchasing Money Belt] Drone : [Wild] Hyde Park Corner (PD) [Blocking Green Park] [Knocking Compass Hat off Julie] { Comment: Game Time advanced -1 Bk: Wild (on King's Cross) -1 Bk: Line Change (on King's Cross) -1 Re: Block (on Wimbledon Park) -1 Re: Hat Knocking (on Wimbledon Park) King's Cross is now a Kafka Sinkhole, which should be interesting. } From Wed Aug 12 02:20:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 461 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 09:20:00 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 09:20:00 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04479 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:19:23 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04476 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:19:20 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29734 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:19:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 09:19:18 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00275; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:19:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199808120919.KAA00275@uks447> Date: 12 Aug 98 10:17:41 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Proposal musings... X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 12-Aug-98 10:01 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Proposal 470 - Token Alien [Amendment] >> >>Amend Rule 1.4.19 (Token Tracking) to remove the condition which reads: >> >> "It must be in a different Quadrant to the Player's final location" >> >>{ Comment: >> No one is obeying this rule, so we might as well drop it. >>} >Er, aren't we? I always have been, and I think it's quite an essential >clause, if only to avoid "Putting a Player in Spoon, placing the Gold >at your location, collecting it, doing it again, etc." trickery. Maybe >it'd be easier with just something to stop Players collecting Tokens >they've placed that Turn. I'll own up to Proposing this, which I did for shock value - I agree that it's an essential clause too, although we have all been guilty of breaking it (this includes you Kevan - think about where that token stack on Custom House in Game 8 came from) and buzzing one particular Player in such a general environment of transgression seems unfair. I think it's time to start applying this Rule again. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Aug 12 02:26:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3792 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 09:25:55 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 09:25:55 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04594 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:24:58 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04591 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:24:54 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00750 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:24:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 09:24:53 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00804; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:24:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199808120924.KAA00804@uks447> Date: 12 Aug 98 10:22:21 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 - Buzz on dave (as Drone) X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 11-Aug-98 14:38 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Drone : [Wild] Hyde Park Corner (PD) [Blocking Green Park] > [Knocking Compass Hat off Julie] >-1 Bk: Wild (on King's Cross) >-1 Bk: Line Change (on King's Cross) >-1 Re: Block (on Wimbledon Park) >-1 Re: Hat Knocking (on Wimbledon Park) Perhaps a little unfair to buzz dave before e's read my announcement of enforcement of the token placement rule, but... Drone's final location is Hyde Park Corner. Wimbledon Park is in the same Quadrant and as such is not a valid target for placement of tokens paid. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 03:28:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26668 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 10:28:47 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 10:28:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05792 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:26:47 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05789 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:26:44 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p08.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.8]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA24995 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:26:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:26:40 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808121026.LAA24995@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Proposal musings... Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Er, aren't we? I always have been, and I think it's quite an essential >>clause, if only to avoid "Putting a Player in Spoon, placing the Gold >>at your location, collecting it, doing it again, etc." trickery. Maybe >>it'd be easier with just something to stop Players collecting Tokens >>they've placed that Turn. > >I'll own up to Proposing this, which I did for shock value - I agree that >it's an essential clause too, although we have all been guilty of breaking >it (this includes you Kevan - think about where that token stack on Custom >House in Game 8 came from) Um, I dropped it with the Dropping Action, actually. >and buzzing one particular Player in such a >general environment of transgression seems unfair. Indeed. I think we'd be better off with a simple "A Player may not Collect a Token which was placed on a Token Stack during eir current Turn." clause in the Token Collection Rule, really. This doesn't really stop the "sending all your Tokens to Stations which you know you'll be able to get to next Turn" tactic, but that can usually be scuppered, I suppose. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Pretty soon, well I'll get up and get dressed, and go out, then come back again." -- Jack, "Hope is a Liar" From Wed Aug 12 03:45:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 288 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 10:45:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 10:45:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06180 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:45:24 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06177 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:45:20 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA12961 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:45:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 10:45:19 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA12164; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:45:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199808121045.LAA12164@uks447> Date: 12 Aug 98 11:43:06 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Proposal musings... X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 12-Aug-98 11:26 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>(this includes you Kevan - think about where that token stack on Custom >>House in Game 8 came from) >Um, I dropped it with the Dropping Action, actually. You are quite right - I do apologise. I really didn't mean to tar you with that brush. >I think we'd be better off with a simple "A Player may not Collect >a Token which was placed on a Token Stack during eir current Turn." clause >in the Token Collection Rule, really. I see what you mean, but I don't think that is sufficient - token collection is not the main benefit of dropping tokens in this context - setting up advantageous token stacks for straddling, striling, and the like is. Nominally, this is what the 'different quadrant' restriction was intended to prevent. Perhaps a more general 'A Player may not interact with any token stack which has been modified by placing a token penalty on it until eir following Turn' clause would be more accurate? The downside would be that this would prevent token stack completion by use of token penalties, although for myself I've never been terribly comfortable with that and so would not mourn its loss. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Wed Aug 12 03:57:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6141 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 10:57:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 10:57:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06426 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:56:40 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06423 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:56:37 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk (flotta.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.36]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05715 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:56:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:56:35 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: New Game... In-Reply-To: <199808120912.KAA29280@uks447> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On 12 Aug 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > >A quick straw poll before I press any buttons - since the Long Game is > >looking a bit unworkable and hasn't been fixed at all, shall we start > >up a basic-rules Team Game, now that the new Rules for it are in place? > > Sounds good to me. > > Could I start the Blue team, then? Sounds good to me, I propose the Chartreuse (a kind of yellow colour common at York in the past) team. --- miKi From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 04:14:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15324 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 11:14:52 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 11:14:52 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06791 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:14:16 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06788 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:14:13 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p09.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.9]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA27810 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:14:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:14:10 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808121114.MAA27810@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 commences Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Well, we seem to have enough people in favour of a Team Game, so I'll kick one off properly. To save resubmission, I'll use the previous declarations from Dunx and miKi, and shall join the Blue Team myself:- 1. miKi (Chartreuse) 2. Kevan (Blue) 3. Drone 4. Dunx (Blue) Initial Game Time: Tuesday 1600 One more Player and we can kick off... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "How many times have I been around? Recycled papers paving the ground..." -- Morrissey, "Girl Least Likely To" From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Aug 12 04:48:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32340 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 11:48:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 11:48:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07387 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:47:27 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07383 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:47:24 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA30375; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:50:08 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:54:12 +0100 Message-Id: <98081212541202@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Proposal musings... X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Amend Rule 1.4.19 (Token Tracking) to remove the condition which reads: >> >> "It must be in a different Quadrant to the Player's final location" >> >>{ Comment: >> No one is obeying this rule, so we might as well drop it. >>} > >Er, aren't we? I always have been, and I think it's quite an essential >clause, I've been obeying it too, and I agree that it should be kept, for much the same reasons. dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Aug 12 04:53:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2487 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 11:53:22 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 11:53:22 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07497 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:51:30 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07493 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:51:26 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA00484; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:54:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:58:21 +0100 Message-Id: <98081212582095@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 8 - Buzz on dave (as Drone) X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Drone's final location is Hyde Park Corner. Wimbledon Park is in the same >Quadrant and as such is not a valid target for placement of tokens paid. arses. Drone wilded to Hyde Park instead of Epping so e could put those blacks on Kings X -- out of one trasgression into another... I'll repost soon dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Aug 12 04:58:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5135 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 11:58:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 11:58:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07618 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:57:19 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07615 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:57:17 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA22006; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:00:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:01:02 +0100 Message-Id: <98081213010220@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Proposal musings... X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Indeed. I think we'd be better off with a simple "A Player may not Collect >a Token which was placed on a Token Stack during eir current Turn." clause >in the Token Collection Rule, really. This doesn't really stop the "sending >all your Tokens to Stations which you know you'll be able to get to next >Turn" tactic, but that can usually be scuppered, I suppose. The problem that really needs adressing, if you ask me, is that if you're at Piccadilly Circus, for example, you can drop a token at Covent Garden, but not at Hatton Cross, which seems to completely go against what the rule intends . How about changing it so that quadrants are not involved -- maybe something like tokens may not be added to token stacks within ten stations distance of the station moved to (except by the dropping token action, of course) dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Aug 12 05:24:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19699 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 12:24:57 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 12:24:57 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA08176 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:24:23 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08172 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:24:20 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA32098; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:27:09 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:09:14 +0100 Message-Id: <98081213091430@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 7 | 4 4 4 2 3 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 5 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 10 | 5 1 2 1 3 1 | | Drone | | 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 | |*Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 6 | 5 4 3 3 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1300 | +---------------+| Highgate |+----------------+ +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Epping || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Boston Manor | Bu | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBu | | Custom House | Br | Mudchute | ReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith Dunx : [LV+1] Queen's Park (BL) [Using the Trellis Roundhouse Manouevre] [Purchasing Money Belt] Drone : [Wild] Hyde Park Corner (PD) [Purchasing Harmonica] [Fire at Knightsbridge] [Discarding Harmonica] { Comment: time advanced -1 Bk: wild (on King's X) -1 Bk: line change (on King's X) -2 Br: purchasing harmonica (in the till) -2 Re: fire spotting (on Mudchute) Drone also updates dave's LV for em, since e forgot to do it on eir turn. } From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 05:37:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26473 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 12:37:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 12:37:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA08404 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:35:06 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08401 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:35:00 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p17.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.17]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA02734 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:34:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:34:56 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808121234.NAA02734@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Proposal musings... Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Dunx said:- >Perhaps a more general 'A Player may not interact with any token stack >which has been modified by placing a token penalty on it until eir >following Turn' clause would be more accurate? "Interact" is a bit of a vague term. "Perform any Action which involves that Stack", perhaps. Thinking about it; it's quite broken as it stands - if you run from one Quadrant to another, you can perform a load of expensive Actions, scatter the Tokens along your route in the first Quadrant, and collect them all back... >The downside would be that this would prevent token stack completion by >use of token penalties, although for myself I've never been terribly >comfortable with that and so would not mourn its loss. Arguably not - that's more a case of a triggered effect than a direct interaction, I'd say. But yes, it is particularly broken, in that (a scam I think I'll spare you from) you can declare a Manoeuvre with whatever Tokens you wish, and make a nice rewarding Stack from them. dave said:- >The problem that really needs adressing, if you ask me, is that if you're at >Piccadilly Circus, for example, you can drop a token at Covent Garden, but not >at Hatton Cross, which seems to completely go against what the rule intends . Absolutely, yes. Quite absurd. >How about changing it so that quadrants are not involved -- maybe something >like tokens may not be added to token stacks within ten stations distance of >the station moved to (except by the dropping token action, of course) Far more reasonable, but I don't look forward to counting the distance to every of twelve Token Stacks to see which ones I can and can't throw Tokens on... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I don't know if I can stop my eyes from drifting slowly over holy temples of the soul. No self-control." -- The Divine Comedy, "Three Sisters" From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 05:54:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 7 | 4 4 4 2 3 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | |*PaulWay | Latimer Road | 5 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 10 | 5 1 2 1 3 1 | | Drone | | 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 | |*Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 0 | 4 4 2 3 5 0 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1400 | +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ +---------------+| Epping |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Amersham || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Chocolate Bar, Baguette | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBkBkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Boston Manor | BuBk | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBu | | Custom House | Br | Mudchute | ReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith Dunx : [LV+1] Queen's Park (BL) [Using the Trellis Roundhouse Manouevre] [Purchasing Money Belt] Drone : [Wild] Hyde Park Corner (PD) [Purchasing Harmonica] [Fire at Knightsbridge] [Discarding Harmonica] Kevan : [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Overpriced Baguette] [Wild] Highgate (NT) [Amersham Wild] { Comments: Kings Cross's Token Stack updated, since the Drone didn't add the Blacks. Setting Mr Wayper Inactive after his Apathy Level hit three, earlier. -- Ludicrum tempus fugit. 0 mins | -1 Silver to gain 4 Bronzes 10 mins | -5 Bronzes for the Overpriced Baguette 30 mins | -1 Black for the Wild (on Boston Manor) 10 mins | The Move 10 mins | Enraging Amersham ---------+----------------------------------------- 60 mins | Total Turn duration -- The Drone's Turn included... > -1 Bk: wild (on King's X) > -1 Bk: line change (on King's X) Not sure if this is cheeky Token-squandering or not (I was impressed with the Harmonica thing), but you don't have to pay for Line Changing with a Wild; the list in Rule 1.5.0 (Valid Moves) says that the validity of the Wild takes precedence over the invalidity of the differing Line. I'd forgotten it myself until I checked up on it this Turn... } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I'm still right here, where I always was. So one day, when you're bored, by all means call me. Because you can do. But only if you want to." -- Morrissey, "The Loop" From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 06:07:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9247 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 13:07:37 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 13:07:37 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA09059 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:06:59 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09052 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:06:55 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p04.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.4]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA05034 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:06:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:06:49 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808121306.OAA05034@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: L-NOMIC@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 7 | 4 4 4 2 3 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | |*PaulWay | Latimer Road | 5 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 10 | 5 1 2 1 3 1 | | Drone | | 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 | |*Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 0 | 4 4 3 3 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1400 | +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ +---------------+| Epping |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Amersham || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Two Chocolate Bars | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBkBkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Boston Manor | BuBk | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBu | | Custom House | Br | Mudchute | ReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith Dunx : [LV+1] Queen's Park (BL) [Using the Trellis Roundhouse Manouevre] [Purchasing Money Belt] Drone : [Wild] Hyde Park Corner (PD) [Purchasing Harmonica] [Fire at Knightsbridge] [Discarding Harmonica] Kevan : [Wild] Highgate (NT) [Amersham Wild] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] { Comments: Curses! I shouldn't have done that sneaky Straddle last Turn. I thought I was still at Custom House, hence the Baguette buying. Tsk. I'll repost rather than hope nobody Buzzes, for I couldn't live with it on my conscience if I Won a Game I'd knowingly played an Illegal Move in... -- Kings Cross's Token Stack updated, since the Drone didn't add the Blacks. Setting Mr Wayper Inactive after his Apathy Level hit three, earlier. -- Ludicrum tempus fugit. 30 mins | -1 Black for the Wild (on Boston Manor) 10 mins | The Move 0 mins | +1 Bronze for a Zone 3, actually 10 mins | Enraging Amersham 10 mins | -1 Bronze for a Fruit and Nut ---------+------------------------------------------- 60 mins | Total Turn duration } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Euston, we have a problem." -- Private Eye cartoon From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Wed Aug 12 07:07:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9827 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 14:07:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 14:07:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10208 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:05:35 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA10199 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:05:32 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA12547; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:08:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:07:44 +0100 Message-Id: <98081215074443@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 commences X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > 1. miKi (Chartreuse) > 2. Kevan (Blue) > 3. Drone > 4. Dunx (Blue) > > Initial Game Time: Tuesday 1600 > >One more Player and we can kick off... I'll join the chartreuse team then. dave From Richard Brockie Wed Aug 12 07:07:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9834 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 14:07:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 14:07:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10246 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:06:27 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10239 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:06:24 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk (flotta.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.36]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA10617 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:06:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:06:17 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Token cost/Quadrant problems... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Hello folks, I have had an idea about the problem of placing cost tokens on token stacks. How about we keep the 4 quadrants and add a fifth, being all stations Circle line and within. If you have a token penalty, you cannot place the token on a station within the quadrant you are in when the cost applies, or those bordering it. Thus, you can only place a cost token on a stack when you are outwith the Circle line, and then, only accross on the opposite side of the map. If you are within the Circle line, they return to the Token Pile. I liken this to money, in that when you spend your money, it (usually) doesn't miraculously appear somewhere else in the same city for someone else to use - it wends its way merrily to the manufacturer of the product you have purchased. We can liken the more occasional appearance of tokens in the outer parts of the map as distributors taking their cut, and the money staying fairly close to place of purchase Token stacks can still be created by dropping tokens. Stacks will therefore become less common, and there will be more scope for stack completion bonuses as people will not usually be able to dump 4 blues on a stack and thereby cause 4 more to be dumped placing the game in/out of knip etc. What are your thoughts? --- miKi From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 07:59:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5056 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 14:59:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 14:59:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11528 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:57:34 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11525 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:57:31 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p10.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.10]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA13114 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:57:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:57:25 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808121457.PAA13114@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 commences Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>One more Player and we can kick off... > >I'll join the chartreuse team then. Right you are. The random Playing Order becomes... 1. miKi (Chartreuse) 2. Kevan (Blue) 3. Drone 4. dave (Chartreuse) 5. Dunx (Blue) Initial Game Time: Tuesday 1600 Which is a rather pleasing sequence. Play your first Turn whenever you're ready, miKi... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Sitting in the garden with a face like a granite statue, I am winter solstice waiting." -- Salad, "Granite Statue" From Graeme Jefferis Wed Aug 12 08:06:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8724 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 15:06:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 15:06:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11702 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:04:38 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11699 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:04:35 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z6cRq-0003jR-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:04:22 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:05:55 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 9 commences Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:05:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Right you are. The random Playing Order becomes... Whoo-ha... wait for me, bandwagon! I'd like to join the Blue team, please. I contemplated starting the Red team, but I think Games with large teams have the potential to be more entertaining than with small ones. Voila, -Graeme. From Graeme Jefferis Wed Aug 12 09:38:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28932 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 16:38:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 16:38:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14073 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:36:17 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14070 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:36:14 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z6dsj-0007dC-00; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:36:13 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:37:47 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 9 commences Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:37:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I think it's probably best if I resign from Game 9 (quickest >resignation in history?), and maybe one of you nice blues >would care to join miKi on the chartreuses? No problem. Consider me chartreusiated. -Graeme. From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 10:06:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12507 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 17:06:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 17:06:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14779 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:05:51 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14776 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:05:48 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p43.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.43]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA22975 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:05:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:05:44 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808121705.SAA22975@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 continues to commence Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) With Grimace added, the die retains its unsettling eye for balance and the Playing Order becomes... 1. miKi (Chartreuse) 2. Kevan (Blue) 3. Grimace (Chartreuse) 4. Drone 5. Dunx (Blue) Initial Game Time: Tuesday 1600 Play on, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I awoke on the beach sometime later, to a grey and sunless sky. Your voice still slithers in my head. I can't remember what you said." -- Pulp, "Being Followed Home" From Wed Aug 12 12:20:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 8 | 5 4 4 2 3 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 6 | 3 1 0 0 3 1 | |*PaulWay | Latimer Road | 5 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 10 | 5 1 2 1 3 1 | | Drone | | 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 | |*Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 0 | 4 4 3 3 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1600 | +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ +---------------+| Epping |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Amersham || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Two Chocolate Bars | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,V) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBkBkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Boston Manor | BuBk | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBu | | Custom House | Br | Mudchute | ReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith Dunx : [LV+1] Queen's Park (BL) [Using the Trellis Roundhouse Manouevre] [Purchasing Money Belt] Drone : [Wild] Hyde Park Corner (PD) [Purchasing Harmonica] [Fire at Knightsbridge] [Discarding Harmonica] Kevan : [Wild] Highgate (NT) [Amersham Wild] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] dave : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Grimace : [LV+3] Kilburn Park (BL) [Collecting Hat] { Comments: Time, etc. I was off to Harrow + Wealdstone this turn, but I've decided against that, under the assumption that Token Running will be killed off shortly. So, nothing exciting here. No line change: +1 Black. Verdant Hattery. Noting (again?) the peculiar single-line 'interchange' that is Queens Park. And that's all. } From Wed Aug 12 15:32:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29760 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 22:32:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 22:32:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA22597 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:31:58 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22593 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:31:50 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id IAA07087; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:32:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma007068; Thu, 13 Aug 98 08:32:06 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:31:39 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E020B@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: New Game... Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:31:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Wednesday, August 12, 1998 7:11 PM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > >A quick straw poll before I press any buttons - since the Long Game is > >looking a bit unworkable and hasn't been fixed at all, shall we start > >up a basic-rules Team Game, now that the new Rules for it are in place? > Sounds good to me. I'm for it too. > Could I start the Blue team, then? Dunx, can I join you there? I hope I can get my act together enough to be of use to you :-) Have fun, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 12 15:47:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5603 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 22:47:21 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 22:47:21 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA22944 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:46:50 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22941 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:46:47 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p43.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.43]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA18551 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:46:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:46:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808122246.XAA18551@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 commences even more Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Paul as well, then. This does actually unbalance things a bit - maybe we should think about doing something to level that advantage out. Automatically assigning the Drone to one of the Chartreuses at the start, perhaps? Or just force one of the Blues to be Inactive until the Chartreuses get another Player? Hmm. Anyway... 1. PaulWay (Blue) 2. miKi (Chartreuse) 3. Kevan (Blue) 4. Grimace (Chartreuse) 5. Drone 6. Dunx (Blue) Initial Game Time: Tuesday 1600 Pipped to the first Turn. Goodness, the excitement. Off you go, then, Wayper. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Never the time and the place and the loved one all together." -- Robert Browning From Wed Aug 12 16:09:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17451 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 23:09:28 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 23:09:28 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA23584 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:08:55 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23580 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:08:49 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA15878; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:09:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma015802; Thu, 13 Aug 98 09:08:58 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:08:31 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E020F@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: Mornington Nomic Subject: MN: Re-activated Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:08:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just to let you know, I've just send Kevan my votes for this week and, hence, am active and can start playing again. (Mental Note 1: must remember to vote every once in a while... Mental Note 2: must propose more often. Mental Note 3: must write more mental notes.) Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Wed Aug 12 16:26:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26867 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 23:25:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 23:25:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA23950 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:25:09 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23924 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:24:58 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA19616; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:25:17 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma019514; Thu, 13 Aug 98 09:24:53 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:24:26 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0210@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:24:24 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay | Finchley Central | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | | miKi | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Kevan | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1600 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Posessions-----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | | | miKi | | | Kevan | | | Grimace | | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] Finchley Central (NL) {Comments: -2Br: Purchasing - tokens evaporate +1Br: Zone Pass I don't believe I gain or lose a black token for this move. True? Game time updated. Enjoy. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Wed Aug 12 16:48:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8217 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 23:48:48 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 23:48:48 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA24330 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:46:07 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24309 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:45:59 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA24712; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:46:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma024640; Thu, 13 Aug 98 09:46:08 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:45:41 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0212@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:45:38 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Kevan (B)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1600 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Posessions-----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass | | miKi | | | Kevan | | | Grimace | | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] Finchley Central (NL) {Comments: -2Br: Purchasing - tokens evaporate +1Br: Zone Pass I don't believe I gain or lose a black token for this move. True? Game time updated. Enjoy. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Wed Aug 12 16:51:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10001 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Aug 1998 23:51:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 23:51:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA24431 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:51:14 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24428 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:51:07 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA26414; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:51:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma026294; Thu, 13 Aug 98 09:51:17 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:50:50 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0213@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: RE: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:50:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Kevan (B)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1700 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Posessions-----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass | | miKi | | | Kevan | | | Grimace | | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] Finchley Central (NL) {Comments: -2Br: Purchasing - tokens evaporate +1Br: Zone Pass I don't believe I gain or lose a black token for this move. True? Game time updated. Enjoy. Third time lucky - team letters in brackets _and_ game time really updated. Sheesh :-) } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Wed Aug 12 17:20:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27992 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Aug 1998 00:20:17 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1998 00:20:17 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA24883 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:19:41 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA24880 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:19:35 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id KAA08655; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:19:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma008596; Thu, 13 Aug 98 10:19:35 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:19:08 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0214@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:19:07 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 8 | 5 4 4 2 3 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 3 | 2 1 0 0 3 1 | | PaulWay | Latimer Road | 6 | 3 1 2 1 2 1 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 10 | 5 1 2 1 3 1 | | Drone | | 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 | |*Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 0 | 4 4 3 3 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1600 | +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ +---------------+| Epping |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Amersham || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,V), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Two Chocolate Bars | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBkBkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Mudchute | ReRe | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBu | | Custom House | Br +-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith Dunx : [LV+1] Queen's Park (BL) [Using the Trellis Roundhouse Manouevre] [Purchasing Money Belt] Drone : [Wild] Hyde Park Corner (PD) [Purchasing Harmonica] [Fire at Knightsbridge] [Discarding Harmonica] Kevan : [Wild] Highgate (NT) [Amersham Wild] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] dave : [LV+2] Morden (NT) PaulWay : [LV+1] [Token Running] Paddington (HC) [Collecting BR Hat] [Blocking Warwick Avenue] [Black Token on Boston Manor] { Comments: Game Time Updated. 10mins : LV+1 10mins +1Bk : same line move 10mins +1Go : Token Run. +1Bu : four interchange station. 10mins -1Re : Block (on Boston Manor) 5mins -1Bk : Placing token on Boston Manor Making a BlBkReBk stack gives me a Silver token according to 1.14.2, and at no time cost either, AFAICS. I think I'm getting the hang of this :-) (instant cue for multiple buzzes) Should've picked up a Terminus hat on my previous move - oh well. } From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Thu Aug 13 04:02:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8230 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Aug 1998 11:02:29 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1998 11:02:29 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03847 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:01:18 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03844 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:01:09 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA12081; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:04:00 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:33:16 +0100 Message-Id: <98081311331673@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: this week's voting results X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Under the new system introduced last week, might I suggest that the voting results should perhaps read more like this: [of 11 players, 6 were active (assuming PaulWay was only made inactive *after* votes were calculated), so quorum is 4 on all proposals this week, not 2 -- all proposals were quorate either way, so it doesn't make much difference] For Aga Pass Abs Votes Quo Result 453 4 0 1 1 5 4 Accepted [ie amends etc as above] 454 4 0 1 1 5 4 Accepted 455 4 0 1 1 5 4 Accepted 456 3 1 1 1 5 4 Accepted 457 1 3 1 1 5 4 Fails 458 2 2 1 1 5 4 Fails 459 3 1 1 1 5 4 Accepted 460 3 1 1 1 5 4 Accepted 461 4 0 1 1 5 4 Accepted 462 4 0 1 1 5 4 Accepted 463 4 0 1 1 5 4 Accepted ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Slak Y_M ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 453 (Kevan) FOR FOR - - - FOR PAS FOR ABS - - 454 (Kevan) FOR FOR - - - FOR PAS FOR ABS - - 455 (Kevan) FOR FOR - - - FOR PAS FOR ABS - - 456 (miKi) FOR FOR - - - AGA FOR PAS ABS - - 457 (miKi) AGA AGA - - - FOR AGA PAS ABS - - 458 (dave) PAS AGA - - - FOR AGA FOR ABS - - 459 (dave) PAS FOR - - - FOR AGA FOR ABS - - 460 (dave) PAS FOR - - - FOR AGA FOR ABS - - 461 (Dunx) FOR PAS - - - FOR FOR FOR ABS - - 462 (Dunx) FOR PAS - - - FOR FOR FOR ABS - - 463 (Dunx) FOR PAS - - - FOR FOR FOR ABS - - It doesn't affect the results one bit, but I'm assuming here everyone *actively* voted Pass on eir own proposals, which is what is evident from the results -- otherwise, they should be counted as abstentions, which would mean eir proposals only just made quorum... dave From kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) Thu Aug 13 04:12:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10895 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Aug 1998 11:12:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1998 11:12:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04012 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:10:46 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA04009 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:10:44 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA06375; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:13:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:12:55 +0100 Message-Id: <98081312125557@w...> From: kenningd@w... (L'homme a tete de choux) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: actually... X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) sorry, quorum on this week's proposals should have been 3 -- I thought the quorum definiton was formulated as 'more votes than abstentions' but it's actually 'no more abstentions than votes', ergo equal numbers of abstentions and votes is quorate. dave From Richard Brockie Thu Aug 13 05:48:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25762 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Aug 1998 12:48:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1998 12:48:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05986 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:47:32 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05982 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:47:29 +0100 Received: from flotta.roe.ac.uk (flotta.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.36]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA02450 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:47:27 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:47:26 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 9: Bzzzt! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Paul played: PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] Finchley Central (NL) {Comments: -2Br: Purchasing - tokens evaporate +1Br: Zone Pass I don't believe I gain or lose a black token for this move. True? Game time updated. Enjoy. Third time lucky - team letters in brackets _and_ game time really updated. Sheesh :-) } Sorry to buzz the very first move, but Paul's purchasing of the zone pass and subsequent claiming of a token using it does not feel right. The reason I am buzzing is not to be petulant, but because I was going to copy him, but came across the following objection: The way I view it is that when one plays the [Home: ] action, at that instant (well, 30 mins), one moves home. Paul is then well within his rights to purchase the zone card. However, then claiming the token for having the card contravenes the relevent part of Rule 1.4.20: | Playing any Valid Move within a Zone | +1 Bronze | | for which a Zone Pass is carried | | Paul has already made his move: it placed him at a station so he could purchase a zone pass - he cannot claim the token as at that time he did not have the pass. The fact that the neutral action of [Purchasing] can be listed before the position of Paul's piece does not mean that a token can be claimed. A pedantic point, I know, but Paul's move effectively reduces the cost of a zone pass by one token. --- miKi From Kevan Davis Thu Aug 13 06:40:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8567 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Aug 1998 13:40:57 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1998 13:40:57 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07168 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:40:05 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07163 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:40:01 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p24.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.24]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA04980 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:39:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:39:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808131339.OAA04980@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Game 9: Bzzzt! Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >The way I view it is that when one plays the [Home: ] action, at >that instant (well, 30 mins), one moves home. Not the case, I'm afraid - Rule 1.12.4 (Going Home) says:- "If a Player performs a pre-Move Action of "[Home]" or "[Home: ]", eir LV is set to zero and eir Home Station is treated as a Valid Move for the remainder of eir Turn. A Player may not adjust eir LV after performing a "[Home]" Action." You don't actually go Home until you perform the Move section of your Turn. >Paul has already made his move: it placed him at a station so he could >purchase a zone pass - [...] Ah. That's actually a very good point - prior to our first Move, we're all just floating around in a void, a world away from any ticket machines. You can't buy a Zone Pass before your first Move, because your Piece isn't situated at a Station. I hadn't considered that. A fair Buzz, I think, if not quite for the reasons you stated... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Monday night is 50's night; Tuesday night is 60's night; Wednesday night is 70's night; Friday night is Thursday night." -- TISM, "Garbage" From Fri Aug 14 07:59:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25487 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Aug 1998 14:59:33 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1998 14:59:33 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05813 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:58:15 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05808 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:58:09 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA16757 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:58:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 14 Aug 1998 14:58:05 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA01352; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:57:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199808141457.PAA01352@uks447> Date: 14 Aug 98 15:54:04 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 - Rather Belated Buzz on PaulWay X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 13-Aug-98 01:19 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Two things - 1. PaulWay hasn't included Grimace's Move in eir GSD 2. the Move is from Hammersmith to Paddington, which is seven Stations by my reckoning and rather difficult to traverse with an LV of 6. Apologies for not sending this before, but I was in high dudgeon after being blocked in (and seeing my plan for putting the kibosh on Kevan's winning ideas go up in smoke) that I hadn't checked the move properly. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Sun Aug 16 15:51:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27893 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Aug 1998 22:51:16 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1998 22:51:16 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29375 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:50:20 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29371 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:50:11 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id IAA26615; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:50:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma026569; Mon, 17 Aug 98 08:50:09 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:49:46 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0222@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 8 - Rather Belated Buzz on PaulWay Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:49:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Saturday, August 15, 1998 12:54 AM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > 1. PaulWay hasn't included Grimace's Move in eir GSD Eh? I haven't seen his move - must have been an oversight. > 2. the Move is from Hammersmith to Paddington, which is seven Stations > by my reckoning and rather difficult to traverse with an LV of 6. Ah - missed Shepherd's Bush, that's what. Don't worry, I've got the LV available... > Apologies for not sending this before, but I was in high dudgeon after > being blocked in (and seeing my plan for putting the kibosh on Kevan's > winning ideas go up in smoke) that I hadn't checked the move properly. Hmmm. Sorry about that, but after dave (and the rest of my haphazard play in these games) I've been a bit paranoid. I'll do a deal with you - I won't block you as long as you don't shunt me. If I'm trusting you too much, it will go hard on you... er... somewhere else, I assure you. :-) Have fun, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Sun Aug 16 16:00:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29944 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Aug 1998 23:00:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1998 23:00:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29528 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:59:27 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29523 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:59:00 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id IAA28881; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:59:00 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma028807; Mon, 17 Aug 98 08:58:34 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:58:12 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0223@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:58:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 8 | 5 4 4 2 3 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 6 | 3 1 0 0 3 1 | |*PaulWay | Latimer Road | 7 | 3 1 2 1 1 1 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 10 | 5 1 2 1 3 1 | | Drone | | 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 | |*Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 0 | 4 4 3 3 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1700 | +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ +---------------+| Epping |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Amersham || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A) | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Two Chocolate Bars | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,V) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBkBkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Mudchute | ReRe | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBu | | Custom House | Br +-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith Dunx : [LV+1] Queen's Park (BL) [Using the Trellis Roundhouse Manouevre] [Purchasing Money Belt] Drone : [Wild] Hyde Park Corner (PD) [Purchasing Harmonica] [Fire at Knightsbridge] [Discarding Harmonica] Kevan : [Wild] Highgate (NT) [Amersham Wild] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] dave : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Grimace : [LV+3] Kilburn Park (BL) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Paddington (HC) [Collecting BR Hat] [Blocking Royal Oak] [Black Token on Boston Manor] { Comments: Game time updated 10mins : LV+1 10mins +1Bk : same line move 10mins +1Go : Token Run +1Bu : four interchange station 10mins -1Re : Block (on Boston Manor) 5mins -1Bk : Placing token on Boston Manor Making a BuBkReBk stack on Boston Manor gives me a silver token. Yep - I was buzzed for a move. Now if I could only convince people to vote for a Gain 1 Karma for being buzzed (under the guise of helping newbies) then I'd win :-) Also blocking a different station to allow Dunx to try and thwart Kevan. I'm trusting you here, Mr. Duncan Ellis... } From Mon Aug 17 02:46:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20261 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Aug 1998 09:46:54 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 09:46:54 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08080 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:45:54 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08073 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:45:49 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09909 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:45:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 09:45:28 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA19689; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:45:26 +0100 Message-Id: <199808170945.KAA19689@uks447> Date: 17 Aug 98 10:42:50 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 16-Aug-98 23:58 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | dave | East Putney | 8 | 5 4 4 2 3 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 6 | 3 1 0 0 3 1 | |*PaulWay | Latimer Road | 7 | 3 1 2 1 1 1 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 7 | 6 1 2 1 1 2 | | Drone | | 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 | |*Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 0 | 4 4 3 3 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1800 | +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ +---------------+| Epping |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Amersham || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A), Chocolate Bar | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Two Chocolate Bars | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,V) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBkBkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Mudchute | ReRe | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBu | | Custom House | Br + West Finchley + Re + | Baker Street | Re +-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith Dunx : [LV+1] Queen's Park (BL) [Using the Trellis Roundhouse Manouevre] [Purchasing Money Belt] Drone : [Wild] Hyde Park Corner (PD) [Purchasing Harmonica] [Fire at Knightsbridge] [Discarding Harmonica] Kevan : [Wild] Highgate (NT) [Amersham Wild] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] dave : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Grimace : [LV+3] Kilburn Park (BL) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Paddington (HC) [Collecting BR Hat] [Blocking Royal Oak] [Black Token on Boston Manor] Dunx : [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [LV-3] Baker Street (BL) [Blocking Marylebone] [Red Token On Baker Street] { Comments: No worries, Paul - I do not toy with such cruelties. Pardon my own defensivenes... In detail: choccie 10 mins -1 Br (vapour) [LV-3] 10 mins move 10 mins +1 Bk (same line) +1 Si (five line interchange) +1 Br (Zone card) Block 10 mins -1 Re (West Finchley) token 5 mins -1 Re Game Time updated Why oh why oh why didn't I pick up a British Rail Hat while I had the chance? I'm a fool to myself, I tell you. Ho hum. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Mon Aug 17 04:20:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3617 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Aug 1998 11:19:59 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 11:19:59 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10301 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:19:12 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10294 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:19:08 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p02.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.2]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA10528 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:19:03 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:19:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808171119.MAA10528@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ |*dave | East Putney | 8 | 5 4 4 2 3 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 6 | 3 1 0 0 3 1 | |*PaulWay | Latimer Road | 7 | 3 1 2 1 1 1 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 7 | 6 1 2 1 1 2 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 | |*Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 5 | 5 3 3 0 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1900 | +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ +---------------+| Epping |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Amersham || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A), Chocolate Bar | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,V) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBkBkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Mudchute | ReRe | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBu | | Custom House | Br + West Finchley + Re + | Baker Street | ReBuGoGoGo +-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith Dunx : [LV+1] Queen's Park (BL) [Using the Trellis Roundhouse Manouevre] [Purchasing Money Belt] Drone : [Wild] Hyde Park Corner (PD) [Purchasing Harmonica] [Fire at Knightsbridge] [Discarding Harmonica] Kevan : [Wild] Highgate (NT) [Amersham Wild] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] dave : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Grimace : [LV+3] Kilburn Park (BL) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Paddington (HC) [Collecting BR Hat] [Blocking Royal Oak] [Black Token on Boston Manor] Dunx : [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [LV-3] Baker Street (BL) [Blocking Marylebone] [Red Token On Baker Street] Kevan : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Camden Town (NT) [Blue Token on Camden Town] [Opening MC] [Straddling to Mornington Crescent] { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit. 10 mins | Extra Game Time (Blue on Baker Street) 10 mins | LV+3 20 mins | Chocolate Bar 10 mins | Move 0 mins | +1 Black for a same-Line 5 mins | Token drop 10 mins | Opening the Crescent (Golds on Baker Street) 10 mins | Straddle 0 mins | LV+1 from the High Station ---------+--------------------------- 75 mins | Total Turn duration -- Absurdly lucky that my two biggest threats (Julie and the Drone) happened to go Inactive just in time, there. Still. Quite a nice, fast-paced little game, there. Let me have your requests for any potential Game 10 Special Rulesets... } From Richard Brockie Mon Aug 17 04:30:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5367 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Aug 1998 11:30:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 11:30:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10483 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:29:17 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10480 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:29:14 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk (muckleroe.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.37]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA08059 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:28:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:27:51 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 9... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) By not replying within the time limit, PaulWay as conceded my Bzzzt! by default. He still has a while to make his replacement move... --- miKi From Richard Brockie Mon Aug 17 04:53:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10279 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Aug 1998 11:53:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 11:53:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10963 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:53:15 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10960 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:53:12 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk (muckleroe.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.37]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA08700 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:53:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:53:10 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Ooooh, aren't they nice...! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I have to congratulate Kevan on the new-look webpages. They look fab! I espesially like the little BR symbol for links to other sites. --- miKi From Mon Aug 17 05:00:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11990 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Aug 1998 12:00:54 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 12:00:54 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11097 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:00:12 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11094 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:00:09 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA25012 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:00:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 12:00:07 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA07106; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:00:05 +0100 Message-Id: <199808171200.NAA07106@uks447> Date: 17 Aug 98 12:56:57 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 8 - Rather Futile Buzz on Kevan X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 17-Aug-98 12:19 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Kevan Moved: >| Kevan | Royal Victoria | 5 | 5 3 3 0 5 1 | > Kevan : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Camden Town (NT) > [Blue Token on Camden Town] [Opening MC] [Straddling to Mornington > Crescent] > 10 mins | LV+3 > 20 mins | Chocolate Bar > 0 mins | LV+1 from the High Station Actually, you've over-egged the pudding there - Highgate to MC is only a distance of 5, so in fact you have missed Camden Town entirely. As I imply in my subject line, such cavilling is in fact entirely futile since all it will take is a slight adjustment to fix that inconsistency. I'm afraid I had overlooked both the bonus for the High station, and the possibility of straddling from Camden Town. I had assumed that you could only reach Camden Town, and that I would be able to shunt you from my position of Baker Street (which, Paul, was my rather simplistic cunning plan). Still, a fine win and, subject to correcting the Move itself, I freely acknowledge its validity. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Mon Aug 17 05:01:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12746 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Aug 1998 12:01:47 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 12:01:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11147 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:01:20 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11144 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:01:17 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA25059 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:01:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 12:01:16 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA07398; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:01:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199808171201.NAA07398@uks447> Date: 17 Aug 98 12:58:29 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Ooooh, aren't they nice...! X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 17-Aug-98 12:53 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I have to congratulate Kevan on the new-look webpages. They look fab! I >espesially like the little BR symbol for links to other sites. I quite agree - I would have commented earlier if I hadn't been so caught up in trying to work out how best to foil Kevan's plans. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Mon Aug 17 06:11:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14830 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Aug 1998 13:11:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 13:11:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12841 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:10:24 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12838 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:10:20 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p16.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.16]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA17321 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:10:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:10:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808171310.OAA17321@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 8 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ |*dave | East Putney | 8 | 5 4 4 2 3 1 | | Grimace | Bethnal Green | 6 | 3 1 0 0 3 1 | |*PaulWay | Latimer Road | 7 | 3 1 2 1 1 1 | | Dunx | Preston Road | 7 | 6 1 2 1 1 2 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 | |*Julie | Blackhorse Road | 3 | 4 0 4 2 1 0 | | Kevan | Royal Victoria | 5 | 5 3 3 0 5 1 | +---------+------------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1900 | +---------------+| Hyde Park Corner |+----------------+ +---------------+| Epping |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Amersham || Circle: <-- | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ | dave | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,C,T), Drone Stick | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,V), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zones 1-3 Pass, Hat (A), Chocolate Bar | | Julie | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (A,T,B,C) | | Kevan | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,T), Chocolate Bar | | Grimace | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (A,B,V) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Kings X St.Pan | BkBkBkBk | Stockwell | BkRe | | Putney Bridge | ReReReBkBuRe | Mudchute | ReRe | | Southfields | BkBuBuSi | Wimbledon Park | BuBuBu | | Custom House | Br | West Finchley | Re | | Baker Street | ReBuGoGoGo | Camden Town | Bu | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ dave : [Home: East Putney] East Putney (DS) Grimace : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) PaulWay : [Home: Latimer Road] Latimer Road (HC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Card] Dunx : [Home: Preston Road] Preston Road (MP) Julie : [Home: Blackhorse Road] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Blackhorse Road (VC) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] Kevan : [Home: Royal Victoria] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Royal Victoria (DL) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Wimbledon [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Neasden Wild] Grimace : [LV+3] Waterloo (NT; via CN, WC) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat (Overground)] [Smoking Cigar] PaulWay : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC) [Smoking Cigar] Dunx : [LV+3] Baker Street (MP) [Collecting Hat (A to Z)] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1-3 Pass] Julie : [LV+1] Walthamstowe Central (VC) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Smoking Cigar] [Highgate Wild] Kevan : [LV+2] Prince Regent (DL) [Smoking Cigar] dave : [LV+3] [Token Running] Fulham Broadway (DS) [Smoking Cigar] [Gold to Blue] Grimace : [LV+3] Baker Street (BL; via NT) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] PaulWay : Forced Pass Dunx : [LV+3] Moorgate (CL via MP) [Blocking Barbican] Julie : [LV+2] [Token Running] Seven Sisters (VC) [Collecting Hat] [Blocking Finsbury Park] Kevan : [LV-1] Royal Albert (DL) [Using the Victoria and Albert Gambit] dave : [LV+3] Hammersmith (HC, via: DS, PD, DS) [Shunting PaulWay to Baker Street] [Double-shunting Grimace to Willesden Junction] [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] Grimace : [LV+3] Wembley Central (BL) PaulWay : [LV+1] Edgware Road (DS, via: CL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Mansion House (CL) Julie : [Wild] Highgate (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Beckton (DL) [Collecting Hat] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Hyde Park Corner Wild] dave : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (CL, via: PD) [Collecting Hat] [Epping Wild] [Circle Line: Anticlockwise] PaulWay : [LV+2] Westbourne Park (HC, via DL) [Collecting Hat] Dunx : [LV+3] Piccadilly Circus (BL via CL, CN, PD) Julie : [LV+3] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [Token Running] [LV+2] Custom House (DL) [Mind the Gap] [Collecting Hat] [Bronze Token on Custom House] [Straddling to Royal Victoria] [Game Time: +0100] dave : [Game Time +0100] [Gold to Silver] [Ignore the Gap] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] [LV+3] Clapham North (NT via CL, VC, NT) [Blocking Stockwell] [Collecting Hat (Compass)] [Claiming Drone Stick] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Hammersmith Dunx : [LV+1] Queen's Park (BL) [Using the Trellis Roundhouse Manouevre] [Purchasing Money Belt] Drone : [Wild] Hyde Park Corner (PD) [Purchasing Harmonica] [Fire at Knightsbridge] [Discarding Harmonica] Kevan : [Wild] Highgate (NT) [Amersham Wild] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] dave : [LV+2] Morden (NT) Grimace : [LV+3] Kilburn Park (BL) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Paddington (HC) [Collecting BR Hat] [Blocking Royal Oak] [Black Token on Boston Manor] Dunx : [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [LV-3] Baker Street (BL) [Blocking Marylebone] [Red Token On Baker Street] Kevan : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Camden Town (NT) [Blue Token on Camden Town] [Opening MC] [Straddling to Mornington Crescent] { Comments: Again, with a Blue in Camden Town's Token Stack... -- Ludicrum tempus fugit. 10 mins | Extra Game Time (Blue on Baker Street) 10 mins | LV+3 20 mins | Chocolate Bar 10 mins | Move 0 mins | +1 Black for a same-Line 5 mins | Token drop 10 mins | Opening the Crescent (Golds on Baker Street) 10 mins | Straddle 0 mins | LV+1 from the High Station ---------+--------------------------- 75 mins | Total Turn duration } From Kevan Davis Mon Aug 17 06:11:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Game 8 - Rather Futile Buzz on Kevan Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> 10 mins | LV+3 >> 20 mins | Chocolate Bar >> 0 mins | LV+1 from the High Station > >Actually, you've over-egged the pudding there - Highgate to MC is only a >distance of 5, so in fact you have missed Camden Town entirely. Not really - the LV+1 from the High Station doesn't take effect until the end of the Turn, for some reason. Very counter-intuitive, and it means that I can't take advantage of it during my Move. >As I imply in my subject line, such cavilling is in fact entirely futile >since all it will take is a slight adjustment to fix that inconsistency. Likewise my neglect to update Camden Town's Token Stack. Which I should really do, I suppose, so that we end on a legal GSD... >I'm afraid I had overlooked both the bonus for the High station, and the >possibility of straddling from Camden Town. I'd quite overlooked the Straddle, and was preparing to just sit tight at Camden and Block Euston, taking control of the Drone to stop anyone sending him after me. Pleasantly surprised to realise I didn't have to. (Although didn't we used to have a Rule against not Straddling away from a Stack after dropping a Token on it?) >Still, a fine win and, subject to correcting the Move itself, I freely >acknowledge its validity. My thanks. All it needs is Grimace's nod, now. Any preferences for Game 10 at all, by the way? Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "So let us go soon, to the street shaped like the moon." -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "Life on a Crescent" From Graeme Jefferis Mon Aug 17 07:07:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32606 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Aug 1998 14:07:52 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 14:07:52 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14136 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:06:58 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14133 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:06:55 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z8Pvl-00010k-00; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:06:41 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:09:16 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 8 - Rather Futile Buzz on Kevan Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:09:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Not really - the LV+1 from the High Station doesn't >take effect until the end of the Turn, for some reason. >Very counter-intuitive, and it means that I can't take >advantage of it during my Move. Oh, grief: how silly. Would that stand up to PoO-ing? >My thanks. All it needs is Grimace's nod, now. Certainly. *Nods*, and congratulations. >Any preferences for Game 10 at all, by the way? Not having access to the web, and thus the ruleset, at work any more, I really can't say for a minute; though ISTR Chalk Farm '84 looked interesting. -Graeme. From Mon Aug 17 16:15:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29943 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Aug 1998 23:15:11 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 23:15:11 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA29670 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:13:56 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29666 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:13:47 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA08475; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:13:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma008428; Tue, 18 Aug 98 09:13:53 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:13:31 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0225@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: RE: RE: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:13:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 0 | 2 0 1 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Kevan (B)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1700 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Posessions-----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass | | miKi | | | Kevan | | | Grimace | | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NL) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] {Comments: - -2Br: Purchasing - tokens evaporate Game time updated. Enjoy. Sorry for not conceding to miKi's buzz soon enough there; I actually thought I had. Anyway, Kevan's right - I can't purchase a pass before I actually exist at a station. } -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNdgsectA22MsBS7iEQJ0fgCeJ6o3HDtv09jSZgwAWj/Eszatt4wAoLfD mpDq4GWRIz6hMCi7/johOFLO =Nr3W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Mon Aug 17 16:23:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 494 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Aug 1998 23:23:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 23:23:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA29868 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:22:15 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29864 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:22:08 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA10057; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:22:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma009939; Tue, 18 Aug 98 09:21:59 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:21:37 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0228@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 8 Win Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:21:35 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Monday, August 17, 1998 11:10 PM, Kevan Davis [SMTP:kdavis@i...] wrote: > Kevan : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Camden Town (NT) > [Blue Token on Camden Town] [Opening MC] [Straddling to > Mornington Crescent] > Looks fine to me. My only question is one of strategy - why Straddle to MC from CamT? Wouldn't it be easier to move in directly? As for a new game, why not Finsbury Option? Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Richard Brockie Tue Aug 18 03:37:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23501 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Aug 1998 10:37:25 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1998 10:37:25 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15753 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:36:26 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15748 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:36:22 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA26671 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:36:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:36:20 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | Kevan (B)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1800 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Posessions-----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NL) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] { Comment: Correcting PaulWay's Br token total - cost of zone pass is 2 Br, not 1. -2 Br for zone pass - returned to token pile. Game time etc. } --- miKi From Kevan Davis Tue Aug 18 04:29:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1064 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Aug 1998 11:29:00 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1998 11:29:00 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20791 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:27:28 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20788 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:27:23 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p01.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.1]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA03188 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:27:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:27:19 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808181127.MAA03188@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1800 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) { Comment: Adding miKi's Home Station to the Token Table. Tweaking Paul's Line Code (the Northern is 'NT', not 'NL'). Ludicrum nil tempus fugit, since Paul accidentally managed to advance it an hour during his repostings. (We started at 1600; miKi's Turn should have been 1700, and thus mine 1800.) And, er, that's it. } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "We've had Cant conformism since 1966, but now subversion's in the air in the shape of flying bricks." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "The Trumpton Riots" From Kevan Davis Tue Aug 18 08:30:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 17: Voting Results for Week 16 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 464 Der-der, der-der, der-der-... 3 1 1 0 Amends 1.13.3 465 Lights, Camera... 4 1 - 0 Amends 0.4.1 466 Extraneous Details You Can... 4 1 - 0 Repeals 1.19.2/3 [a] 467 Snap! 5 - - 0 Repeals 1.4.9 468 Crackle! 2 - 3 0 Fails 469 Pop! 2 - 3 0 Fails 470 Token Alien 1 - 4 0 Fails ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Thus the whole "Miscellaneous" section. And there was much rejoicing. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 464 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - - PAS FOR AGA - 465 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - - PAS FOR FOR - 466 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - - PAS FOR FOR - 467 (dave) - FOR FOR - - - FOR FOR FOR - 468 (dave) - FOR AGA - - - AGA AGA FOR - 469 (dave) - FOR FOR - - - AGA AGA AGA - 470 (Dunx) - AGA AGA - - - AGA AGA FOR - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 26 28 0 0 29 5 46 4 0 0 Halved: 14 0 23 2 0 ---------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +1 +0 +11 +0 +0 AGA Votes: I -4 -0 I I I -1 -0 -0 I Decisiveness: n +3 +3 n n n +3 +3 +3 n Voting/Own: a -0 -0 a a a -0 -0 -0 a c c c c c Passed EPs: t +0 +0 t t t +0 +0 +0 t Failed EPs: i -0 -0 i i i -0 -0 -0 i Dead Wood: v +0 +0 v v v +4 +0 +0 v Finger/Pulse: e +0 +0 e e e +5 +5 +0 e Award Ceremony: +0 +0 +3 +0 +0 [b] ---------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +0 +3 +25 +8 +3 Final Kudos: 26 14 3 0 29 5 48 10 3 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom [d] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 2 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - dave (Snap!/Crackle!/Pop!) [c] For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) [c] Excellent titles, I thought. Pity he doesn't actually get the prize, being Inactive. [d] Slakko's been struck from the list after I mailed him to check if he'd actually Resigned or just gone Inactive after eir ambivalent declaration of both the other month. I'll nudge Yer Mom when I can find his email address. From Kevan Davis Tue Aug 18 08:30:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Pulling dave's mutterings out and looking at them again (for in doing my Week- End stuff I remembered I never actually replied to this):- >Under the new system introduced last week, might I suggest that the voting >results should perhaps read more like this: > >[of 11 players, 6 were active (assuming PaulWay was only made inactive *after* >votes were calculated), so quorum is 4 on all proposals this week, not 2 -- all >proposals were quorate either way, so it doesn't make much difference] And he corrected that to "three" after rereading something. But am I missing something, or does his interpretation not make sense? Rule 0.5.4 (Abstentions and Quorum) says:- "Any Active Player who does not vote or who submits an invalid vote shall be deemed to have abstained. Inactive Players are never counted as having abstained. If the total of abstentions exceeds the total of valid votes (i.e. votes FOR, AGAINST or PASS), the Proposal fails to reach Quorum." We had eleven Players, six Active, and only one who abstained (assuming that the other Players Voted "PASS" for eir own Proposals). Proposals would therefore fail to reach Quorum if their total number of Valid Votes was less than the number of abstentions - one. So this actually makes Quorum, er, one, doesn't it? Either dave's Quorum Proposal didn't say what he meant it to mean, or I'm missing something quite horribly, here... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Better to live for one day like a lion than a thousand sheepishly." -- The Divine Comedy, "Thrillseeker" From Kevan Davis Tue Aug 18 08:31:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Seventeen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 471 - 'Tis But A Scratch [Other, Multiple] 1. Light on the Surface [Amendment] Replace the first two paragraphs of Rule 1.11.3 (Station Damage) with:- Certain events may cause Stations to become Damaged (either Lightly or Heavily). Lightly Damaged Stations are treated as being Closed until London Transport manage to repair them; Heavily Damaged Stations treated as Blocked until repairs are complete. The GSD shall list Damaged Stations in the following example format, Heavily Damaged Stations being denoted with an asterisk:- +---------+----------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Victoria, Hyde Park Corner, Angel* | +---------+----------------------------------------------------------+ 2. Slight Fire Damage [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.9.2 (Escalator Fires) to:- A Player may perform the post-Move Action "[Fire at ]" to spot a Fire, where "" is a Station which the Player has passed through during eir Move, or which is adjacent to eir current location. If a Fire is spotted at a Station, that Station is Blocked for one Turn, and becomes Lightly Damaged. { Comments : Moderate trade-off, here - we lose all the stuff about Line-Changing and BR connections, since I think it's probably too much to remember (particularly if a major Interchange gets burnt early in the game; too easy to forget it when making your Moves thirty Turns on, I fear). The Stations are still Blocked for a Turn, and the Light Damage prevents Line Changing and BR frippery. Just as powerful, I think; the BR aspect is a fairly moot point, and the Line Changing denial is only really useful for short-term tactics anyway. } 3. Open and Shut Case [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.13.4 to:- Each Station may be either Open or Closed, dependent on a number of factors. Certain Stations and Lines are described as having Restricted Opening, the Open/Closed state of these depending on the current Game Time, and being given in Rules 1.13.5 and 1.13.6. If a Station is Closed, a Move which starts, ends or changes Line at that Station is Invalid. If a Line Segment is Closed, a Move which involves transversing that Line Segment is Invalid. { Comments : Minor tidying up of the wording, fixing of the obsolete Rule number references and - the only really consequential thing - disallowing Line Changes at Closed Stations. Logical, really. } 4. Higher Explosives [Amendment] In Rule 1.7.30 (Suspect Package Detonation), replace "Damaged" with "Heavily Damaged". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 472 - Hoard of the Things [Other, Multiple] { Comments : Merely implementing the idea I mentioned in a Game a while back - that hoarding Tokens at your Home is preferable to Banking; no memory requirement since it goes on the Token Stack, and some potentially-breakable security in terms of Home-breaking, as opposed to the rather-too-powerful titanium vault of Bank. } 1. Insurance Clause [Enactment] Enact a new Rule entitled "What a Banker" as Rule 1.4.9, unless such a Rule already exists. { Comment : Just in case it got repealed. } 2. Under the Mattress [Amendment] Rename Rule 1.4.9 (What a Banker) to "Hoard of the Things" and reword it to:- If it would be possible to add a Token to the Token Stack at a Player's Home Station, that Player may perform the post-Move Action of "[Hoarding ]", where "" is a list of Tokens being Hoarded, their number not exceeding the unused space in their Home Station's Stack. Hoarded Tokens are removed from the Token Table and placed one-at-a-time on the Token Stack of the Actioning Player's Home Station. 3. The Bank That Likes To Say No [Amendment] In Rule 1.7.15 (Post-Move Actions), replace:- "[Banking ] 1.4.9" with:- "[Hoarding ] 1.4.9" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 473 - Bureau de Change [Amendment] Repeal Rules 1.7.22-1.7.24, rename Rule 1.7.21 to "Bureau de Change" and rename it to:- A Player may perform the following Actions to convert Tokens from one colour to another; the Paid Tokens are lost, the Received Tokens gained. +--------------------+----------+----------+ | Action | Paid | Received | +--------------------+----------+----------+ | [Gold to Silver] | 1 Gold | 2 Silver | | [Gold to Bronze] | 1 Gold | 8 Bronze | | [Gold to Blue] | 1 Gold | 2 Blue | | [Silver to Bronze] | 1 Silver | 4 Bronze | +--------------------+----------+----------+ The opposite Actions ("[Silver to Gold]", etc.) may also be performed, with the same exchange rates, but only if the Actioning Player's Piece is situated at Bank. { Comments : Another way to gain those increasingly elusive Golds; the costs seem high enough, and the Bank limitation is, I think, reasonable. "Blue to Gold" is a tad powerful, but the one- of-each-Action-per-Turn slows it down a bit, and sitting ducklike at the easily-reachable Bank should make people hesitant. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 474 - Leave Your Hat On (Multiple) Part 1: New king-size filter legs with the flip-top knee (Action) [Hands on hat] 20mins no cost. Part 2: Hands on your heads! (Enactment) No Player can perform the "[Knocking Off ]" action if the Player targetted has performed the "[Hands on hat" action since the Knocking Player's previous Turn. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 475 - Retracking Token Tracking [Amendment, multiple] {Comment: The idea of this proposal is to make token stacks a little less common and to stop them filling up so quickly. Placing tokens on stacks as payment would only be valid if one were outside the Circle, and then would only be allowed to appear diametrically opposite on the Map. Stacks can still be created by dropping tokens. } 1. Reword Rule 1.17.2 - Pythagoras Would Have Loved This to read: "The major compass points North, South, East and West shall be defined relative to the current Map when it is being read normally, North being up the page. The Map shall be considered to be divided into two pairs of Halves and five Quadrants, treating Tottenham Court Road as the Meridian (ie centre point) for both North-South and East-West axes. The Halves correspond to the four major compass points. The Halves are unnumbered, but each is paired with its opposite: North and South; East and West. Each Compass Quadrant corresponds to the intersection of two overlapping Halves. An additional fifth quadrant, called the "Circle" is defined as those stations situated on or within the Cicle Line. Stations in the Circle are not in any other quadrant. For ease of reference, the resulting Quadrants are numbered clockwise as follows: +------------+--------+ | Quadrant | Number | +------------+--------+ | Circle | 0 | | North East | 1 | | South East | 2 | | South West | 3 | | North West | 4 | +------------+--------+ Each Station shall have attributes of Half and Quadrant determined by its location on the Map. With the exception of Totthenham Court Road, if a Station lies on a Half or Quadrant boundary, it shall be considered to reside in all Halves and Quadrants adjacent to the boundary. As the Meridian, Tottenham Court Road is considered to be in no Half or Quadrant. Any costs, penalties or Rules applying to crossing Half or Quadrant boundaries shall not affect a Move to or from Tottenham Court Road." 2. Amend second condition in Rule 1.4.19 - Token Tracking to read: "It cannot be in the same, or an adjacent quadrant to that of the Player's final location - if this cannot be satisfied, the token(s) are discarded." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 476 - Turin '57 Convention on International Play [Special Ruleset] { Comment: Simple enough idea really - a Special Ruleset to allow Games on other maps. Just gets a bit complicated in spots... } [Enactment: Tourists' Charter] Turin '57 enables the game of Mornington Crescent to be played on transport networks other than the London Underground. When announcing a Turin '57 Game, the Speaker must include the following information: * the transport network to be used * the Internet URL of a map of this network to be employed * the substitute map entities and effects of Game States for that network as defined in subsequent Rules in this section. In general if a specific Station or Line Segment is specified in a Rule that element of the Rule should either be ignored or any general definition applied. The information distributed at the start of a Turin '57 Game shall be enacted as a new Rule under the Turin '57 Special Ruleset. The title of the new Rule shall be of the form " Guidebook". { Comment: I'm assuming here that there would be some discussion on the list first about which map is most appropriate, and about which substitutions should be made. Note the term 'transport network': this allows for other modes of tranport to be played, eg the ferries in Sydney. } [Enactment: Station Keeping] The following Stations must have alternatives on the nominated Map defined: Term - London Underground Station ====================================== Goal - Mornington Crescent Bank - Bank Loop - Dollis Hill All Rules relating to these London Underground Stations shall be considered to refer instead to the given alternatives for the duration of the Turin '57 Game. [Enactment: International Line] Line Codes must be defined for all the Lines on the nominated Map. A substitute Line or section of Line for the LU Circle must also be defined where available. Any closed loop will suffice, although one which contains Stations within it should be preferred. If no such substitute can be defined, then the following Rules must be ignored for that Map: - Rule 1.8.5 (Circle Line States) - Rule 1.7.4 (Open the Cutlery Drawer, Mrs Higgins) { Comment: I suspect it's obvious that Circle Line States are meaningless without a Circle Line, but banning Spoon may seem less rational. However, Spoon Clamps can only be removed within the Circle Line. } [Enactment: Bridge Over the River Kwai] Rule 1.8.3 (Bridges) shall have no effect if there is no river or other body of water on the nominated Map which is crossed by any Lines. In addition to the usual effect of the Bridge state, any water-borne transport shall be disabled when Bridges are Up. At the option of the Speaker, Rule 1.8.3 shall be ignored if disabling of water-borne transport would have a disproportionate effect. { Comment: actually I suppose water-borne transport should be disabled when Bridges are Down (cf Tower Bridge on the Thames) but Bridges Down is the default, fully active network state. The last clause is there to allow for playing Gondolier Crescent. } [Enactment: Class Act] Rule 1.17.6 (Station Categories) defines classifications which are used to categorise Stations. Where the use of these classifications is not obvious on the nominated map (eg where a different language is used) the Speaker must define equivalent terms. For those classifications based on notation (eg Interchange) the nearest equivalent on the key should be specified. For those classifications based on the name of the Station (eg Compass) a reasonable translation should be offered (eg North => Nord (French)). These alternative classification criteria must then be used for the duration of the Turin '57 Game. [Enactment: Zone Doubt] Where the nominated Map does not use a Zone system, all Rules relating to Zones must be ignored. All Players shall gain a single Bronze Token on eir Turn. Where a Zone system is used, definitions for the Zones to be used must be supplied for those Rules which relate to Zones. In particular (taking a three Zone system as an example): * Rule 1.17.7 (Zoning Regulations) defines the Zones. This definition should be adjusted appropriately. * Rule 1.4.18 (The Emporium) refers to Zones numbered 2-6 and to Passes for multiple Zones (eg eliminate the 1-6 Pass, perhaps increasing the 1-3 Pass cost) * Rule 1.7.16 (Neutral Actions) gives the cost for Tithing a Zone, supplying a formula its calculation. This formula should be adjusted (eg 8 - (2 * Zone)) [Enactment: Are the Sandwiches Any Nicer?] "British Rail" shall be considered to be replaced by the local inter-urban transport network. Where no connections exist between the nominated Map and the local inter-urban transport network, then the following Rule effects shall apply: * The Speaker must either nominate another Station Category to house Emporia, or state that all Possessions which may be Purchased are Dispensable * All Rules relating to British Rail stations from the point of view of connection shall be ignored eg Ticket Stubs, Visiting. [Enactment: Headgear Optional] If any of the categories defined as being valid for claiming a Hat from is not represented on the nominated Map, then the Speaker must specify an alternative category as a substitute. [Enactment: Manoeuvres in the Psychedelic Rainbow Tomato] Rule 1.18.2 (Gambits And Their Costs) defines the valid Manouevres on the London Underground Map. Those Manouevres which relate to specific LU Stations must be ignored. Any Manouevres declared in a Turin '57 Game shall be recorded in the Guidebook for that Game. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Wed Aug 19 03:47:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21473 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Aug 1998 10:47:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1998 10:47:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04946 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:46:40 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04943 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:46:35 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15589 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:46:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from uksn43.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 19 Aug 1998 10:46:33 UT Received: by uksn43 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA00756; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:46:30 +0100 Message-Id: <199808191046.LAA00756@uksn43> Date: 19 Aug 98 11:41:37 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 17: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UNX8.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 18-Aug-98 16:27 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id LAA04944 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Week 17 Proposals included: > Proposal 471 - 'Tis But A Scratch [Other, Multiple] > { Comments : Moderate trade-off, here - we lose all the stuff about > Line-Changing and BR connections, Alarm bells went off here, since that was the fundamental point of the Escalator Fire thing in the first place. > since I think it's probably > too much to remember (particularly if a major Interchange > gets burnt early in the game; too easy to forget it when > making your Moves thirty Turns on, I fear). A fair point, although it applies to Bulkheading also. > The Stations are > still Blocked for a Turn, and the Light Damage prevents > Line Changing and BR frippery. Just as powerful, I think; > the BR aspect is a fairly moot point, and the Line Changing > denial is only really useful for short-term tactics anyway. } This eased my fears - yes, very satisfactory. > 3. Open and Shut Case [Amendment] > > If a Station is Closed, a Move which starts, ends or changes Line at that > Station is Invalid. The only omission from this list is the use of Escalator Links, although I suppose a ban on their use is implied. "Bank (for Monument)"-style Moves are covered by the start/end condition, and continuous moves which just happen to use the escalator are covered by the line change condition. Very nice. > Proposal 472 - Hoard of the Things [Other, Multiple] A nice idea with a few small weaknesses, all derived from the use of token stacks: 1. a Player's Home stack can be preemptively filled to prevent Hoarding by that Player 2. if the token stack limit is reached before a Player has hoarded, e's stuffed 3. since a Hoard is just a Token Stack, it's very slow to collect Tokens from. > Proposal 473 - Bureau de Change [Amendment] > > Repeal Rules 1.7.22-1.7.24, rename Rule 1.7.21 to "Bureau de Change" and > rename it to:- "reword", surely? Sensible bit of tidying up, anyway. > The opposite Actions ("[Silver to Gold]", etc.) may also be performed, > with the same exchange rates, but only if the Actioning Player's Piece > is situated at Bank. I have grave misgivings about this - I'm not too bothered about the Metallic exchanges, but I am very worried about the Blue->Gold exchange. It reinforces the whole Monopoly aspect... Ingenious use of Bank, though. > Proposal 474 - Leave Your Hat On (Multiple) > > Part 1: New king-size filter legs with the flip-top knee (Action) > > [Hands on hat] 20mins no cost. > > Part 2: Hands on your heads! (Enactment) > > No Player can perform the "[Knocking Off ]" action if the > Player targetted has performed the "[Hands on hat" action since the Knocking > Player's previous Turn. Interesting, but there's no penalty on the Player protecting eir Hats. I suppose the Hat protection implicitly lasts only a single Turn, but then again there isn't really anything to stop a Player playing one of these Actions every Turn. What I would like to see would be a ban on a Player picking up a Hat in the same Turn that they're holding Hats on. > Proposal 475 - Retracking Token Tracking [Amendment, multiple] Very cunning. I suppose I'd better redo the Quadrant doc if this passes... > Proposal 476 - Turin '57 Convention on International Play [Special Ruleset] I'll just own up to this one - I know it's a bit long, but all it's trying to do is pick up on the elements of the game which are specific to the London Underground maps and generalise them. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 19 08:37:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12400 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Aug 1998 15:37:37 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1998 15:37:37 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13007 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:36:20 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13004 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:36:15 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p24.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.24]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA11469 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:36:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:36:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808191536.QAA11469@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 17: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> Proposal 472 - Hoard of the Things [Other, Multiple] >A nice idea with a few small weaknesses, all derived from the use of token >stacks: > 1. a Player's Home stack can be preemptively filled to prevent Hoarding > by that Player To an extent. Since the elimination of Bronzes being frittered for such purposes, though, I think I'd probably welcome people tossing Blacks and Reds at my Home Station. But yes, dropping a Gold and having people pile Blacks onto it later is far from satisfactory, potentially taking five turns to dig it out. > 3. since a Hoard is just a Token Stack, it's very slow to collect Tokens > from. Indeed, indeed. Perhaps a "[Gathering]" Action may be in order, by which you can collect all Tokens from a Stack, if it's on your Home Station. You'd still have to visit it, of course. Just an amendment would bring things more in line with the old Banking approach, I think. The fact that other Players can pay eight Bronzes to sneak in and help emselves to the top Token is enough of a limitation to counter the "always possible to 'Wild' there" benefit, I think. >> Proposal 473 - Bureau de Change [Amendment] > >I have grave misgivings about this - I'm not too bothered about the Metallic >exchanges, but I am very worried about the Blue->Gold exchange. It >reinforces the whole Monopoly aspect... I've never been too happy with "[Gold to Blue]" myself, but didn't want to be too sweeping in my reforms. Blues are reasonably rare and usually kept on standby for avoiding Cascades and dealing with Knip and things; I can't see many people rushing to change them two-at-a-time for Golds, particularly at such a reachable Station. >Ingenious use of Bank, though. Indeed. It's use as one of the 'special' Stations, as mentioned in your Turin Proposal, seems a good one. >> Proposal 474 - Leave Your Hat On (Multiple) >> >> Part 1: New king-size filter legs with the flip-top knee (Action) >> >> [Hands on hat] 20mins no cost. > >Interesting, but there's no penalty on the Player protecting eir Hats. Giving up a third of your Move is quite a penalty, I suppose. Perhaps enough. If you've got all five Hats and are trying to cash them in, it only gives you forty minutes per Turn to deal with anyone who might be out to get you. >What I would like to see would be a ban on a Player >picking up a Hat in the same Turn that they're holding Hats on. An amusing image, and probably a fair limitation. Although this is mostly only going to be used when someone has four or five hats, so isn't much of a restriction if they've got the full set. Speaking of which, there's *still* no way to get Hard Hats, is there? >> Proposal 475 - Retracking Token Tracking [Amendment, multiple] >Very cunning. I suppose I'd better redo the Quadrant doc if this passes... What's the "five" equivalent of "quadrant", by the way? It seems a trifle confusing as it stands. A sound Proposal, though. >> Proposal 476 - Turin '57 Convention on International Play [Special >Ruleset] >I'll just own up to this one - I know it's a bit long, but all it's trying >to do is pick up on the elements of the game which are specific to the London >Underground maps and generalise them. I'm not sure if it's maybe too much Ruleset space for something which we aren't going to use very much, and I fear we'd probably find too many loopholes in certain alternative Maps, but I suppose it can't hurt to try... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Stay home, be bored - it's crap, I know." -- The Smiths, "Death At One's Elbow" From Wed Aug 19 13:50:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4633 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Aug 1998 20:50:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1998 20:50:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA20052 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:48:53 +0100 Received: from relay3.force9.net (relay3.force9.net [195.166.128.26]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA20049 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:48:44 +0100 Message-Id: <199808192048.VAA20049@q...> Received: (qmail 22724 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1998 20:50:00 -0000 Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by relay3.force9.net with SMTP; 19 Aug 1998 20:50:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 27546 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1998 20:41:44 -0000 Received: from 445.hiper02.shef.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.145.189) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 19 Aug 1998 20:41:44 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Game 9 Game State Document... Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 21:24:08 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 1900 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) { Comment: No explanation required, I suppose. Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis. } From Wed Aug 19 17:47:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18242 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Aug 1998 00:47:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1998 00:47:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA25306 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:46:25 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA25301 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:46:16 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id KAA09538; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:46:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma009473; Thu, 20 Aug 98 10:45:56 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:45:37 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E023E@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 17: Proposals Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:45:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've just taken a look at the MN homepage - speccy stuff, Kevan! Love the 'Key to Lines', the icons, the layout, and the content. 10 out of a possible 5. Ironically, I went to click on the line line that, on MCitED (Dan's server) is the short game link... On Wednesday, August 19, 1998 8:42 PM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] performed the following ritual: > > The opposite Actions ("[Silver to Gold]", etc.) may also be performed, > > with the same exchange rates, but only if the Actioning Player's Piece > > is situated at Bank. > I have grave misgivings about this - I'm not too bothered about the Metallic > exchanges, but I am very worried about the Blue->Gold exchange. It > reinforces the whole Monopoly aspect... True - though blue tokens haven't been high on my acquisition list, their potential should be enhanced by this. Besides, waddling around with masses of blue tokens is a sure way to get shunted... > Interesting, but there's no penalty on the Player protecting eir Hats. Er, losing twenty minutes of time is a fair penalty. If you were worried, you could up it to thirty - forty would seem a bit much (says he, imagining a person on the LU holding desperately onto their hats for half an hour... :-) > I'll just own up to this one - I know it's a bit long, but all it's trying > to do is pick up on the elements of the game which are specific to the > London Underground maps and generalise them. It seems a good thing, anyway. It's already got me looking at the Brisbane map, poor though it is... Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNdrlEctA22MsBS7iEQK2KwCgoOoE2mNxOkCXEvx8B9U6TOLHrXkAoKbx jm6tAr8dRW3SRISKXWvJSVBX =QVgJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Graeme Jefferis Thu Aug 20 23:26:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15450 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Aug 1998 06:26:23 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 06:26:23 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA31747 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:49:55 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA31744 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:49:51 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z9PTh-0003EV-00; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:49:49 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:46:54 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 17: Proposals Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:46:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >It seems a good thing, anyway. It's already got me looking >at the Brisbane map, poor though it is... There is an amazing web site out there -- unfortunately I've misplaced the URL -- that not only provides ludicrous amounts of metro maps, LU included, but also has a 'navigation' feature by which you click two stations and it works out the quickest route between the two, necessary line changes, and total travel duration. Magical stuff; ISTR it's housed in France somewhere; so if I find the location I'll post it. -Graeme. From Fri Aug 21 00:16:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30581 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Aug 1998 07:16:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 07:16:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA32733 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:40:31 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA32730 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:40:28 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA20128 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:40:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 20 Aug 1998 08:40:26 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09177; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:40:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199808200840.JAA09177@uks447> Date: 20 Aug 98 09:35:45 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 17: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 20-Aug-98 08:46 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >There is an amazing web site out there -- unfortunately I've >misplaced the URL -- that not only provides ludicrous amounts >of metro maps Oo, oo, Mr Peevely! Mr Peeeevely! http://metro.ratp.fr:10001/bin/cities/english -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Fri Aug 21 05:59:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26750 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Aug 1998 12:59:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 12:59:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08655 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:23:14 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08652 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:23:10 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA08058 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:23:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:23:08 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 17: Proposals In-Reply-To: <199808200840.JAA09177@uks447> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On 20 Aug 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > >There is an amazing web site out there -- unfortunately I've > >misplaced the URL -- that not only provides ludicrous amounts > >of metro maps > > Oo, oo, Mr Peevely! Mr Peeeevely! > > http://metro.ratp.fr:10001/bin/cities/english Doesn't work. --- miKi From Fri Aug 21 06:12:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29835 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Aug 1998 13:12:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 13:12:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08959 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:36:43 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08956 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:36:40 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA09605 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:36:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from uksn43.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 20 Aug 1998 14:36:39 UT Received: by uksn43 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA09338; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:36:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199808201436.PAA09338@uksn43> Date: 20 Aug 98 15:32:27 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 17: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UNX8.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 20-Aug-98 15:23 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id PAA08957 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> http://metro.ratp.fr:10001/bin/cities/english >Doesn't work. Oh dear - I don't understand that, because it does for me. I'll try setting up a link from Wasteland when I get home. An observation on the site itself, though (assuming it's the same one Grimace referred to) - it doesn't actually have very many maps on it. The LU map is one of those missing, although Paris is quite a good one. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Fri Aug 21 06:31:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1856 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Aug 1998 13:31:23 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 13:31:23 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09380 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:54:58 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09377 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:54:55 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA11890 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:54:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 20 Aug 1998 14:54:53 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA26620; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:54:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199808201454.PAA26620@uks447> Date: 20 Aug 98 15:51:26 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 19-Jun-98 21:24 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 2000 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) { Comment: Home, sweet Home. Pushed Game Time forward. Marked Drone Inactive since no one has control. C'est tout. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Graeme Jefferis Fri Aug 21 07:01:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9987 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Aug 1998 14:01:53 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 14:01:53 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10097 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:25:24 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10091 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:25:20 +0100 Received: from (warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) [158.152.153.47] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z9WaU-0003Qn-00; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:25:19 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:28:31 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 17: Proposals Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:28:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>>http://metro.ratp.fr:10001/bin/cities/english >>Doesn't work. >Oh dear - I don't understand that, because it does for >me. I'll try setting up a link from Wasteland when I get home. Well, I'm sure it's the right site, at least. >An observation on the site itself, though (assuming it's the >same one Grimace referred to) - it doesn't actually have very >many maps on it. The LU map is one of those missing, although >Paris is quite a good one. Odd, I remember it being rather good. Something else to look at when I get home, I think -- I certainly remember it having an LU map, as that was the whole reason I went there in the first place. It was unfortunately the LU standard map, with Thameslink, etc, but no Zone markings. No matter, I expect there's something salvageable there. -Graeme. From Thu Aug 20 20:30:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6453 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Aug 1998 03:30:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 03:30:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA26524 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:29:35 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA26521 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:29:19 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id NAA25695; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:29:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma025650; Fri, 21 Aug 98 13:28:59 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:28:41 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0245@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:28:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 0 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 2100 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NL) [Collecting Terminus Hat] { Comment: +10mins : LV Adjust +10mins +1Bk : Same line move +1Br : Zone 4 pass +10mins : oooh, what's this on the hat stand here? And thus the game goes one hour ahead. I think I'll stand around here for half an hour... } From Richard Brockie Fri Aug 21 07:22:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31670 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Aug 1998 14:22:27 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 14:22:27 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05961 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:21:47 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05958 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:21:43 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA28942 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:21:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:21:40 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 3 0 1 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 2200 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NL) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) { Comment: Correcting PaulWay's LV, Err, +2 Re for the Pass, +1 Bk for being on same line, +1 Br for Zone Pass, Game time advanced. } --- miKi From Kevan Davis Fri Aug 21 09:19:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 986 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Aug 1998 16:19:24 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 16:19:24 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA08609 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:18:46 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08606 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:18:42 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p20.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.20]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA02276 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:18:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:18:39 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808211618.RAA02276@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 3 0 1 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 3 2 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Tue 2300 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NL) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit. Sitting tight for a couple of Blues. +1 Black for staying on the Line. Staring poker-faced across the District at miKi. } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "If you give him some for Christmas, he'll return it yer." -- John Hegley, "Eddie Don't Like Furniture" From Fri Aug 21 13:57:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:53:36 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 3 0 1 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 3 2 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 0 2 0 2 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 0000 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NL) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] { Comments: +1 Black - No line change. +1 Silver - 5-line-interchange. Time, etc. } From Mon Aug 24 04:21:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 21-Aug-98 21:53 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 3 0 1 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 3 0 1 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 3 2 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 0 2 0 2 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 4 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 0500 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NL) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) { Comment: Being a bit weedy and staying where I am. +2 Red for the Pass +1 Black for same Line Game Time skips the wee small hours. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Mon Aug 24 18:31:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: RE: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:29:48 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 3 0 1 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 3 2 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 0 2 0 2 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 4 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 0600 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NL) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) { Comment: The first of the golds for the game, in relatively short order. 10mins +1Go Token Run 10mins +1Bk Same line move +1Br Zone 4 pass Game time advanced. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNeGHD8tA22MsBS7iEQIolwCfbdtU6nUy4gQJ15KzREQMIOMkZOEAn3va AzAAL17PFsn3BVppFeBgDUy+ =EdnM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Tue Aug 25 02:54:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24869 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Aug 1998 09:54:24 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 09:54:24 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07952 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:53:44 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07946 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:53:40 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA11078 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:53:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 09:53:38 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA12972; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:53:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199808250953.KAA12972@uks447> Date: 25 Aug 98 10:51:45 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Dunx Inactive Shortly MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I'll be Inactive from 1st September to 11th September, so I shan't join any Game 10 until after I get back. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Tue Aug 25 04:02:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Propsoal Vote ------------------------- 471 FOR 472 FOR 473 FOR 474 FOR 475 PASS 476 FOR --- miKi From Kevan Davis Tue Aug 25 12:30:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19431 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Aug 1998 19:30:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 19:30:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21913 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:29:20 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21907 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:29:14 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p15.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.15]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA23764 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:29:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:29:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808251929.UAA23764@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 18: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Eighteen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 477 - Shunt by Polite Society [Multiple] 1. Shunt of the Litter [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.10.1 (A Shunting We Will Go) to:- If a Player Moves to a Station that is already occupied and has an LV greater than zero, e can perform the Action "[Shunting to ]" to Shunt a Player from that Station to another Station of the Actioning Player's choice, so long as it fits all of the following criteria:- * There are 'n-1' Stations between it and the Shunted Player's initial location (where 'n' is the Actioning Player's Line Velocity), or there are less than 'n-1' Stations between it and the Shunted Player's initial location, and it is also a Terminus Station. * The Line Code of the Station to which the Shunted Player is Shunted is the same as one of the Lines which serves the Shunted Player's initial location. * It is not Mornington Crescent, and the Shunted Player's initial location is neither Dollis Hill nor a Holy Station. Blocked Stations, closed Lines or any criteria which would normally place the target Station out of reach do not restrict the choice of target Station. When a Shunt has been successfully performed, the Shunted Player's Piece is moved to the specified Station, and both Shunter and Shuntee have their Line Velocity reduced to zero. The Shunting Player may also claim a single Token or Possession from the Shunted Player upon successful performance of a Shunt; this is chosen by the Shunting Player from the collection of Tokens and Possessions that the Shunted Player owns. (If the Shunted Player possesses a Money Belt, neither Tokens nor the Money Belt itself may be claimed during the Shunt.) Stacks of Tokens may be Shunted as though they were Players. This is performed in the usual way; the Name of the Stack being 'Token Stack'. It is illegal to shunt Token Stacks to Stations which already have Token Stacks on them. A typical excerpt from the Game State Document for a normal Shunt would be:- Brooke-Taylor : Gunnersbury (DS) Cryer : Finsbury Park (PD) Garden : Euston (VC) Rushton : Euston (NT) [Shunting Garden to Moorgate (NT)] { Comments : Losing the Shunting of more than one Player at once, for simplicity's sake (it never having been used), losing the "can't Shunt someone to a Blocked Station" restriction (which seems rather pointless if you can Shunt them past it, or to a Damaged Station, or whatever), losing the rather odd restriction about not being able to loot a Token Stack prior to Shunting it, losing the "can't Shunt back to where the Actioning Player came from" clause (a somewhat crude hack I put in way back when I first Proposed this, to keep the Shunt in the right Line Direction; we might as well allow Shunts in any direction). And adding a "you can't Shunt with an LV of zero" clause, which I was surprised not to see. } 2. Superfluity [Amendment] Remove the paragraph beginning "Stacks of Tokens may be shunted..." from Rule 1.14.1 (Stacks of Fun). 3. Shunt-uppa-your-face [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.10.2 (Line 'Em Up, Knock 'Em Down) to:- If a Player Shunts another Player to an occupied Station, e may perform the Action "[Double-Shunting to ]", where "" is a Player at the occupied Station, and "" is a valid Double-Shunt destination for the Double-Shunted Player. The validity and rewards of a Double-Shunt are identical to that of a normal Shunt, treated as if the Actioning Player Shunted the Double- Shunted Player directly, except that the Actioning Player's LV is considered to be that which it was during eir Move (since it will have been set to zero by the first Shunt). Token Stacks may be involved in Double Shunts; however, a Player may not be Double-Shunted if the target of the original Shunt was a Token Stack. Triple (or greater multiple) Shunts may be set up and played under the same principles, but no Player may be Shunted more than once as a result of the same Move. For every Double, Triple, Quadruple or other multiple Shunt performed, the Actioning Player gains one Silver Token. { Comments : Bringing it down to a few paragraphs, trimming extraneous repetition and example. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 478 - Dead-End Shunts [Action] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Action Rule Duration Cost ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Dead-End Shunting to 1.7.x 10 mins -1 Re ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Any Player may perform the post-Move Action of "[Dead-End Shunting to ]", where "" is a Player situated at the Actioning Player's current location, and "" is a Terminus Station which is also a valid Shunt destination as described in Rule 1.10.1. A Dead-End Shunt is identical in execution and effect to a normal Shunt, except that the Actioning Player may not claim any Tokens or Possessions from the Shunted Player, and the Shunted Player loses one Token of each colour, if e has any of that colour. These Tokens are destroyed. A Dead-End Shunted Token Stack is destroyed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 479 - Millinery Coup [Multiple] 1. People Aren't Wearing Enough Hats [Amendment] Add the following Possessions to the list in Rule 1.4.18:- +---------------------+------+---------------------------------+ | Hard Hat | 2 Br | | | Silly Hat | 2 Br | | +---------------------+------+---------------------------------+ 2. A Favour from the Marquis [Amendment] To Rule 1.7.20 (Busking), add the following paragraph:- If a Player is carrying a Silly Hat, e may choose instead to gain the Token Bonus for any instrument listed above the one e is using. 3. The Full Montero [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.4.6 (You Can Leave Your Hat On) to:- There exist seven categories of Hat - A to Z, British Rail, Compass, Hard, Silly, Terminus and Verdant. "Hard" and "Silly" Hats can only be purchased (see Rule 1.4.18), but the other Hat types may be claimed from Stations of the same type. A Player may perform the Action "[Collecting Hat ()]" if e is situated at a Station which a Hat of the specified type may be claimed from, and if e is not carrying a Hat of that type already. A Player may perform the Action "[Cashing in Hats]" if e is situated at Bank and is carrying an A to Z, British Rail, Compass, Terminus and Verdant Hat; upon performing this Action e loses all of those Hats and gains two Gold and two Silver Tokens. Any Player may perform the Action "[Knocking Hat off ]"; if the specified Player is carrying a Hat of the specified type, it is destroyed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Kevan Davis Tue Aug 25 12:30:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 18: Voting Results for Week 17 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 471 'Tis But A Scratch 4 1 - 0 Amends 1.11.3, 1.9.2, Amends 1.13.4, 1.7.30 472 Hoard of the Things 3 1 1 0 Enacts 1.4.9, Amends 1.4.9, Amends 1.7.15 473 Bureau de Change 4 1 - 0 Repeals 1.7.22-24, Amends 1.7.21 474 Leave Your Hat On 4 1 - 0 Amends 1.7.16 [a] Enacts 1.7.34 475 Retracking Token Tracking 4 1 - 0 Amends 1.17.2, 1.4.19 476 Turin '57 Convention on... 4 1 - 0 Enacts 2.7.1-9 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] I'm guessing it was meant as a Neutral Action... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 471 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - - PAS FOR FOR - 472 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - - PAS FOR AGA - 473 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - - PAS FOR FOR - 474 (PaulWay) - FOR FOR - - - FOR FOR PAS - 475 (miKi) - FOR FOR - - - FOR PAS FOR - 476 (Dunx) - PAS FOR - - - FOR FOR FOR - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 26 14 3 0 29 5 48 10 3 0 Halved: 7 1 24 5 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +4 +0 +11 +4 +4 AGA Votes: I -0 -0 I I I -1 -0 -0 I Decisiveness: n +3 +3 n n n +3 +3 +3 n Voting/Own: a -0 -0 a a a -0 -0 -0 a c c c c c Passed EPs: t +0 +0 t t t +0 +0 +0 t Failed EPs: i -0 -0 i i i -0 -0 -0 i Finger/Pulse: v +5 +5 v v v +5 +5 +0 v e e e e e Award Ceremony: +4 +0 +3 +3 +4 [b] ---------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +16 +8 +21 +15 +11 Final Kudos: 26 23 9 0 29 5 45 20 12 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 1 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b] Ruttsborough Award - Dunx (Turin '57) IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - miKi (Retracking Token Tracking) Mrs Trellis Award - PaulWay (Leave Your Hat On) For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Wed Aug 26 01:40:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18232 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Aug 1998 08:40:10 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 08:40:10 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03453 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:37:53 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03450 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:37:49 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA24537 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:37:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 08:37:47 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA28534; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:37:45 +0100 Message-Id: <199808260837.JAA28534@uks447> Date: 26 Aug 98 09:33:54 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 18: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 25-Aug-98 20:29 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Week 18's Proposals included: >Proposal 477 - Shunt by Polite Society [Multiple] I'm quite happy with most of the rewording here, but (and it's a big but) this new version omits the condition that the Shunting Player must be on the same Line as the Shuntee. There are two reasons why this is significant: 1. this restriction was the quid pro quo for allowing line changes during a Shunt 2. requiring the Shunter and the Shuntee to be on the same line prevents oddities like a Shunt at a fire damaged station where the Shunting Player arrives on a different Line to the Shuntee. I'd be happy for this omission to be PoO'd, but if it's not fixed then I'll be voting against. >Proposal 478 - Dead-End Shunts [Action] Interesting... a way of destroying Golds when a Money Belt is owned. >Proposal 479 - Millinery Coup [Multiple] > >1. People Aren't Wearing Enough Hats [Amendment] As a committed hat wearer, I couldn't agree more. >2. A Favour from the Marquis [Amendment] > >To Rule 1.7.20 (Busking), add the following paragraph:- > > If a Player is carrying a Silly Hat, e may choose instead to gain the > Token Bonus for any instrument listed above the one e is using. The current ordering of instruments means that this wording works (the point presumably being that if you own a Casiotone you can claim the Harmonica or Drum bonuses), but if the instrument order were changed (eg so that they were listed in descending order of price) then bad things could happen. Still, not enough to scupper the Proposal. And the introduction of Silly Hats is welcome. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Wed Aug 26 02:58:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1362 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Aug 1998 09:58:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 09:58:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05309 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:56:09 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05306 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:56:06 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA03361 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:56:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:56:03 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 3 0 2 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 3 2 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 0 2 0 2 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 4 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 0700 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NL) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) { Comment: -1 Bl for line change (1st line change on the Circle, so token is discarded), +1 Br for zone pass, +1 Bk for 3 line interchange, +1 Re for passing through two interchanges. Time++. } --- miKi From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 26 09:12:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 969 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Aug 1998 16:12:48 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 16:12:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14103 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:11:23 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14094 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:11:15 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p19.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.19]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA29361 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:11:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:11:07 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808261611.RAA29361@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 3 0 2 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 4 | 2 2 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 0 2 0 2 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 4 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 0800 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Barons Court | BkRe | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NL) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Leyton (CN via DL) [Blocking Stratford] { Comment: Ludicrum tempus fugit. -1 Bronze for the Bar -1 Black for the Line Change (on Barons Court) -1 Red for the Block (again on Barons Court) +1 Red for passing through two Interchanges -- In his last Turn, miKi commented:- > -1 Bl for line change (1st line change on the Circle, so token > is discarded), Actually it's not - "[Line Change]" is a pre-Move Action, so would have been performed at Bethnal Green. Not too consequential an oversight, though, so the buzzer remains unbuzzed. } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "How many times have I been around? Recycled papers paving the ground..." -- Morrissey, "Girl Least Likely To" From Kevan Davis Wed Aug 26 09:12:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1073 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Aug 1998 16:12:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 16:12:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14104 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:11:24 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14100 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:11:19 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p19.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.19]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA29377 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:11:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:11:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808261611.RAA29377@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 18: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Proposal 477 - Shunt by Polite Society [Multiple] > >I'm quite happy with most of the rewording here, but (and it's a big but) >this new version omits the condition that the Shunting Player must be on >the same Line as the Shuntee. Tsk. Yes. I overlooked that aspect of the original's wording. Careless. >I'd be happy for this omission to be PoO'd, but if it's not fixed then >I'll be voting against. PoO'ing it does seem a bit cheeky, really - giving the green light to people fixing careless but drastic errors in their Proposals is probably something we shouldn't do, otherwise the list could be awash with "Well, Grimace had a good point about that bit; I'll PoO it to fix things" postings throughout each Week. I'll just throw out an Eprop to fix it if it passes. >>2. A Favour from the Marquis [Amendment] >> >>To Rule 1.7.20 (Busking), add the following paragraph:- >> >> If a Player is carrying a Silly Hat, e may choose instead to gain the >> Token Bonus for any instrument listed above the one e is using. > >The current ordering of instruments means that this wording works (the point >presumably being that if you own a Casiotone you can claim the Harmonica or >Drum bonuses), but if the instrument order were changed (eg so that they >were listed in descending order of price) then bad things could happen. True enough, yes, but it seemed easier than saying "any other Instrument which isn't more expensive", since it'd require the reader to keep flipping between the price list and reward table. I can't see the order ever being changed, myself - on the off-chance it does, we need only amend a tiny bit of wording to maintain coherency. >Still, not enough to scupper the Proposal. And the introduction of Silly >Hats is welcome. Such foolish jester-style affairs were far, far too prevalent during my most recent visit to London, so it seemed a logical addition... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "In the things I left behind me, in the sky that does surround me." -- Strangelove, "She's Everywhere" From Kevan Davis Thu Aug 27 09:22:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> > Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] >> > Leyton (CN via DL) [Blocking Stratford] >> >> Mm, All Saints to Leyton requires an LV of 5 (All Saints, Devons Rd, >> Bow Church, Pudding Mill Lane, Stratford, Leyton.) I'll leave it as >> a repost-job for now. > >Gads! He is right. The Map I have above my desk does not have Pudding Mill >Lane marked. Eeek, must upgrade! [makes similar noises about the torn-out diary map magnetted to the side of the PC] I really should make the effort to kick Netscape open and check my local-copy GIF map, a little more often... Repost in a moment (well, instantaneously, I imagine, since I do all my email in hefty offline batches). Tsk. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Anybody can say charming things and try to please and flatter, but a true friend always says unpleasant things, and does not mind giving pain." -- Oscar Wilde, "The Devoted Friend" From Kevan Davis Thu Aug 27 09:27:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 3 0 2 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 4 2 2 0 4 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 2 | 3 0 2 0 2 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 4 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 0800 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NL) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) { Comment: Another boring Pass, since I can't see a way to stay out of miKi's reach which is worth the hassle. Ludicrum tempus fugit. +2 Reds for the Pass +1 Black for not changing Line Waving cheerily at miKi } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Monday night is 50's night; Tuesday night is 60's night; Wednesday night is 70's night; Friday night is Thursday night." -- TISM, "Garbage" From Thu Aug 27 09:29:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29820 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Aug 1998 16:29:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (root@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 16:29:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12039 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:50:17 +0100 Received: from relay3.force9.net (relay3.force9.net [195.166.128.26]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA12030 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:50:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199808271350.OAA12030@q...> Received: (qmail 30789 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 13:00:53 -0000 Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by relay3.force9.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 13:00:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 25541 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1998 19:37:19 -0000 Received: from 288.hiper02.shef.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.145.32) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 19:37:19 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Game 9 non-buzz on Kevan. Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:40:32 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] > Leyton (CN via DL) [Blocking Stratford] Mm, All Saints to Leyton requires an LV of 5 (All Saints, Devons Rd, Bow Church, Pudding Mill Lane, Stratford, Leyton.) I'll leave it as a repost-job for now. -Grimace. From Thu Aug 27 09:29:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29889 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Aug 1998 16:29:16 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (root@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 16:29:16 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04670 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:48:49 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04667 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:48:46 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08323 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:48:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 09:48:44 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA17820; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:48:41 +0100 Message-Id: <199808270948.KAA17820@uks447> Date: 27 Aug 98 10:44:02 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 - New Player X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 27-Aug-98 10:05 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Julie (A) "If you've got a problem, and no one else help, and if you can find them..." Ah, happy days - Saturday evenings watching George Peppard's cigar defying gravity, and Mr T's jewellery defying belief. Or should that be Chartreuse? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Thu Aug 27 09:29:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29879 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Aug 1998 16:29:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (root@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 16:29:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12277 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:59:41 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12272 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:59:36 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA26648 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:59:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:59:24 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Re: Game 9 non-buzz on Kevan. In-Reply-To: <199808271350.OAA12030@q...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Graeme Jefferis wrote: > > > Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] > > Leyton (CN via DL) [Blocking Stratford] > > Mm, All Saints to Leyton requires an LV of 5 (All Saints, Devons Rd, > Bow Church, Pudding Mill Lane, Stratford, Leyton.) I'll leave it as > a repost-job for now. Gads! He is right. The Map I have above my desk does not have Pudding Mill Lane marked. Eeek, must upgrade! --- miKi From Elusive Thu Aug 27 09:29:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Hello everyone. Just a quick note to let you know that I'm back from my holiday in Spain and that I'll be active again from today - 27/08/98. Hope you are all well, etc. Julie From Kevan Davis Thu Aug 27 09:29:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just to announce Julie's arrival in Game 9. She's opted to start her own, new Team - the Amethysts - and is placed thusly in the Playing Order:- PaulWay (B) miKi (C) Kevan (B) Grimace (C) *Drone Julie (A) Dunx (B) She announces her return to the heady world of Activity, also. Play on, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "The information needed can be found in anagram upon the Internet, the day before." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Secret Gig" From Thu Aug 27 11:51:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19366 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Aug 1998 18:51:48 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 18:51:48 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA19283 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:51:03 +0100 Received: from relay3.force9.net (relay3.force9.net [195.166.128.26]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA19265 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:50:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199808271850.TAA19265@q...> Received: (qmail 10332 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 18:52:18 -0000 Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by relay3.force9.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 18:52:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 16217 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 18:46:04 -0000 Received: from 130.hiper01.shef.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.142.130) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 18:46:04 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:49:16 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 3 0 2 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 4 2 2 0 4 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 3 2 2 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 1000 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A), Zones 1-3 Pass, Casiotone. | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBuReRe | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NL) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+3] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-3 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] [Game Time: +0100] Ladbroke Grove [Shunting Dunx to Hammersmith (PD)] [Blocking Latimer Road] [Busking] { Comment: A move which slowly gained complexity as I pondered the ruleset. The time situation: [LV+3] = 10 minutes. [Double Purchase] = 20 minutes. [Buying Time] = 10 minutes. Move = 10 minutes. Shunt = 10 minutes. Block = 10 minutes. Busk = 50 minutes. And the movement of tokens: [Line Change] = -1Bk on Mile End [Silver to Bronze] = -1Si +4Br [Double Purchase] = -3Br -3Br [Buying Time] = -1Bu on Mile End Pass two interchanges = +1Re Owning 1-3 Zone Pass = +1Br [Shunt and Block] = -2Re on Mile End Steal = +1Re [Busk] = +1Bk +1Re +1Bu +1Br Game Time Updated. But you knew that. Put Julie in the Table. Cue the Buzzers. } From Thu Aug 27 15:40:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11432 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Aug 1998 22:40:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 22:40:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA24813 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:39:25 +0100 Received: from relay3.force9.net (relay3.force9.net [195.166.128.26]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24808 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:39:19 +0100 Message-Id: <199808272239.XAA24808@q...> Received: (qmail 513 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 22:40:42 -0000 Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by relay3.force9.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 22:40:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 4680 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 22:34:26 -0000 Received: from 412.hiper02.shef.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.145.156) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 22:34:26 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:30:14 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 3 0 2 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 4 2 2 0 4 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 3 2 3 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 1000 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A), Zone 2 Pass, Casiotone. | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBuReRe | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NL) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+3] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] [Game Time: +0100] Ladbroke Grove [Shunting Dunx to Hammersmith (PD)] [Blocking Latimer Road] [Busking] { Comment: I was rather over-enthusiastic in purchasing a Zone 1-3 pass. That's been replaced with an affordable Zone 2 one. Still a neat 120 minutes, though. And the movement of tokens: [Line Change] = -1Bk on Mile End [Silver to Bronze] = -1Si, +4Br [Double Purchase] = -2Br, -3Br [Buying Time] = -1Bu on Mile End Pass two interchanges = +1Re Owning 2 Zone Pass = +1Br [Shunt and Block] = -2Re on Mile End Steal = +1Re [Busk] = +1Bk, +1Re, +1Bu, +1Br Game Time Updated. But you knew that. Re-cue the Buzzers. } From Kevan Davis Fri Aug 28 02:29:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18731 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Aug 1998 09:29:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 09:29:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03226 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:28:28 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03222 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:28:24 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p18.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.18]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA11487 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:28:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:28:20 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199808280928.KAA11487@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 Buzz Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Grimace : [LV+3] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] > [Purchasing Casiotone] [Game Time: +0100] Ladbroke Grove > [Shunting Dunx to Hammersmith (PD)] > [Blocking Latimer Road] [Busking] Um, Ladbroke Grove is Dunx's Home Station and thus Blocked until you cough up the Toll, I'm afraid. Consider yourself Buzzed. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "If I had three lives, I'd marry her in two." -- The Whitlams, "Melbourne" From Fri Aug 28 10:55:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3811 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Aug 1998 17:55:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 17:55:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14263 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:54:46 +0100 Received: from relay3.force9.net (relay3.force9.net [195.166.128.26]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA14256 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:54:41 +0100 Message-Id: <199808281754.SAA14256@q...> Received: (qmail 5414 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 17:56:00 -0000 Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by relay3.force9.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 17:56:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 12622 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 17:49:47 -0000 Received: from 402.hiper02.shef.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.145.146) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 17:49:47 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 Buzz Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:13:40 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > > Grimace : [LV+3] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] > > [Purchasing Casiotone] [Game Time: +0100] Ladbroke Grove > > [Shunting Dunx to Hammersmith (PD)] > > [Blocking Latimer Road] [Busking] > > Um, Ladbroke Grove is Dunx's Home Station and thus Blocked until you > cough up the Toll, I'm afraid. Consider yourself Buzzed. Knew there was something. Repost in a tick... -Grimace. From Fri Aug 28 10:55:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 3 0 2 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 4 2 2 0 4 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 3 | 3 0 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 0900 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NL) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) { Comment: Okay, let's go for a Zone 1 pass... I don't know what I was up to with the last move, as clearly I had no Blue tokens to buy Time with. Thus, the Busking vanishes as well. Only fourty minutes now. And the movement of tokens: [Line Change] = -1Bk on Mile End [Silver to Bronze] = -1Si, +4Br [Double Purchase] = -3Br, -3Br Passed 2 interchanges = +1Re 3-line interchange = +1Bk Owning Zone 1 Pass = +1Br Hill station, -1 LV. Game Time Updated. } From Elusive Fri Aug 28 13:28:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 3 0 2 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 4 2 2 0 4 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 3 | 3 0 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 0900 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NL) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] { Comment: Game Time. Hat. } From Tue Sep 1 00:40:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 5 0 3 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 3 0 2 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 4 2 2 0 4 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 3 | 3 0 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 1000 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] {Comments: Dunx is now inactive (1st September), hence this move, which I shall gladly retract if he's working late - time zones being what they are. 10mins : LV+1 10mins +1Bk : Same line move +1Br : Zone 4 pass 10mins : Collecting a nice Verdant hat with a sprig of holly. Game time updated. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 1 05:39:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) dave said:- >Hello, I'm back. I change my status to active and sign up to game 9 -- I'll >lend my support to Julie and join the amethysts. [spins the bottle] You're placed in the Playing Order immediately after myself. Welcome back, and welcome aboard. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Download something, useful or useless." -- Morrissey, "Wide to Receive" From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 1 10:42:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 19: Voting Results for Week 18 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 477 Shunt by Polite Society 2 1 - 4 Inquorate [a] 478 Dead-End Shunts 2 1 - 4 Inquorate [a] 479 Millinery Coup 2 1 - 4 Inquorate [a] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Just to explain - Rule 0.5.4 says:- "Any Active Player who does not vote or who submits an invalid vote shall be deemed to have abstained. Inactive Players are never counted as having abstained. If the total of abstentions exceeds the total of valid votes (i.e. votes FOR, AGAINST or PASS), the Proposal fails to reach Quorum." Four Active Players didn't Vote and thus abstained - this means that at least four Players must Vote legally for a Proposal for it to pass. Tsk, eh? I think perhaps an "automatic and free reproposal the next Week" thing would be useful, here. As it stands, I'll maybe repropose the above three next Week, unless something more interesting occurs to me. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 477 (Kevan) - FOR - - - FOR PAS - - - 478 (Kevan) - FOR - - - FOR PAS - - - 479 (Kevan) - FOR - - - FOR PAS - - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 26 23 9 0 29 5 45 20 12 0 Halved: 13 4 2 22 10 6 ---------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +6 +0 +0 AGA Votes: -0 I -0 I I -0 -0 -0 -0 I Decisiveness: +0 n +0 n n +3 +3 +0 +0 n Voting/Own: -0 a -0 a a -0 -0 -0 -0 a c c c c Passed EPs: +0 t +0 t t +0 +0 +0 +0 t Failed EPs: -0 i -0 i i -0 -0 -0 -0 i Finger/Pulse: +0 v +0 v v +5 +5 +0 +0 v e e e e Award Ceremony: +0 +0 +0 +3 +0 +0 [b] ---------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +0 +0 +8 +17 +0 +0 Final Kudos: 13 23 9 0 29 10 39 10 6 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 1 0 1 3 0 0 0 1 2 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 1 10:44:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Nineteen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 480 - Whangdepootenawah [Multiple] 1. Spang in there... [Amendment] Add the following Possession to the list in Rule 1.4.18:- +---------------------+------+---------------------------------+ | Spanger | 6 Br | | +---------------------+------+---------------------------------+ 2. Spanging Offence [Action] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Action Rule Duration Cost ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Spanging to ] 1.7.x 10 mins -2 Re ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Any Player may perform the post-Move Action of "[Spanging to ]", where "" is a Player situated at the Actioning Player's current location, and "" is a Wild station located in a different quadrant on the map. A player may only spang another player if the actioning player is carrying the Spanger possession in eir inventory. The spanged player is moved to the specified station and eir line velocity becomes zero. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 481 - Form an Orderly Queue [Amendment] Add the following paragraph to Rule 2.6.1 (Team Games):- When a Player joins a Team Game, eir position in the Playing Order shall be chosen randomly from the set of possible positions which would not place em immediately before or after (the list wrapping from top to bottom) a member of eir Team. If no such positions exist, eir position is selected as normal. { Comments : Just a bit of fairness, really - two Team members next to each other is an arguable advantage. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 482 - Capture the Flag [Special Ruleset] { Comments : Just a bit of a twist on the Team Game idea. } 1. Capture The Flag [Enactment] If the "Capture the Flag" Special Ruleset is in effect, the "Team Play" Special Ruleset shall be considered to be in effect also. 2. The Flag [Enactment] There shall exist a Flag for each Team, being a Sticky Possession. Each Flag shall have the initial letter of the owning Team's Colour appended to its name. A Flag may rest at a Station; its presence is signified as a Token Stack with the text "Flag (T)" at that Station, where "T" is the initial letter of the owning Team's Colour. 3. An Englishman's Home [Enactment] If a member of a Player's Team has already declared a Home Station, that Player must declare the same Home Station. Whenever a Player declares eir Home Station, if they are the first person on that Team to declare a Home Station, eir Team's Flag is created and placed at that Station. 4. Capturing and Dropping [Enactment] If a Player has passed through or moved to a Station containing a Flag during eir Turn, e may perform the Action "[Collecting Flag]" to place the Flag in eir Luggage. If a Player is carrying a Flag, e may perform the post-Move Action of "[Flag on ]" to place the Flag at a Station, where "" is any Station which the Actioning Player's Piece has passed through this Turn, or started or ended its Move at. 5. Winning [Enactment] The Winner of a Game is the first Player whose Piece rests at eir Home Station at the end of eir Turn, and who is carrying the Flag of a Team other than their own. No other conditions permit a Player to become the Winner. 6. Vagueness Forever [Amendment] In Rule 1.1.1 (How to Win), replace "If a Player has made a Move to Mornington Crescent" with "If a Player has Won". 7. I Am Invincible! [Amendment] Throughout the Ruleset, replace the word "Sticky" with "Indestructable". { Comment : 'Sticky' doesn't really make sense as an adjective any more, if you can drop but not discard the PoID and Flags. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 483 - Release the Pigeons! [Multiple] 1. Pigeons [Enactment] Pigeons exist in the Game, as Possessions. Any Player may perform the post-Move Action "[Catching Pigeon]" to add a Pigeon to eir Inventory, provided that their Piece is situated at Charing Cross (the Station nearest to Trafalgar Square) and that they are carrying a Marmalade Sandwich, a Lukewarm Burger or an Overpriced Baguette. Any Player may perform the post-Move Action "[Releasing Pigeon(s)]", provided that their Piece is situated at a Park Station. Upon performing this Action, all Pigeons carried by the Actioning Player are removed from eir Luggage, and e gains one Gold Token for each Pigeon released in this way. A Player carrying one or more Pigeons may not perform an "Eating" Action, and if e is ever Shunted, all Pigeons e carries (bar any that might be stolen by the Shunter) are removed from eir Luggage. { Comments : A rather fiddly and amusing way to get Golds. Originally "Park Station outside Zone 1", but I think I could happily live my life as a pigeon in Hyde Park. } 2. Not Words But [Action] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Action Rule Duration Cost ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Catching Pigeon] 1.7.x [Releasing Pigeons] 1.7.x ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Richard Brockie Wed Sep 2 08:35:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5359 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Sep 1998 15:35:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1998 15:35:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA07277 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:33:20 +0100 Received: from absolute.foobar.net (absolute.foobar.net [194.164.91.8]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07255 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:33:13 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by absolute.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05199 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:33:12 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA01946 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:33:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:33:04 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 5 0 3 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 5 | 2 0 3 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 4 2 2 0 4 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 3 | 3 0 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 1100 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR) | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] { Comments: Fileserver problems cause late posting... -1 Bk for changing line, +1 Br for zone pass, Time... } --- miKi From Richard Brockie Sun Sep 6 07:25:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Hi folks, The ROE email server is experiencing email problems. Many apologies if this is holding up Game 9, as I have seen no external messages since Thursday 3rd Sept. --- miKi From Kevan Davis Sun Sep 6 08:04:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 19: Voting Results for Week 18 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Four Active Players didn't Vote and thus abstained > >I take it from the evidence that you're including me in those four, but I made >a point of not reactivating myself until after 12 o'clock, ie the end of the >nomic week, so (a) I was still inactive for the purpose of vote counting, and >(b) I want my Kudos score reset to 26 and my apathy level to zero. Ah. Tsk. Sorry about that; I tend to think of the Week-End as "the moment I sit down with a coffee and start going through things" rather than twelve o'clock, these days. The Apathy and Kudos shall be adjusted, and my apologies are yours. >I'm not sure if it solves the quorum problem though, but at least it shows >that the quorum thing works as intended -- sorry Kevan, but that is the >point, ie that proposals don't get passed on a minimal number of votes. Oh, quite, quite - I see the need and applaud it; it's just a pity that the three Proposals probably won't see the light of day for a while - the delay of at least a Week before resubmission is bad enough, but that I've got to give up making other Proposals to resubmit them is mildly irksome if I've thought of something else in the meantime. The quorum approach we have is probably the best we can do, though, really. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I can barely touch my own self - how can I touch someone else? I am just an advertisement for a version of myself." -- David Byrne, "Angels" From Kevan Davis Sun Sep 6 08:05:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11325 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Sep 1998 15:05:01 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1998 15:05:01 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15754 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:02:54 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15747 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:02:47 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p09.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.9]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA21175 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:02:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:02:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809061502.QAA21175@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 5 0 3 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 5 | 2 0 3 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 5 2 1 0 4 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 3 | 3 0 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 1200 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR) | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] { Comments: British Rail would like to apologise for the late arrival of this Turn; the Active Player had been delayed in Brighton. -- Ludicrum tempus fugit -1 Bronze for the Fruit and Nut (into the till) +1 Red for a two-Liner +1 Black for a same-Liner -1 Red for the Block (on Ladbroke Grove) } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "In the things I left behind me, in the sky that does surround me." -- Strangelove, "She's Everywhere" From Kevan Davis Sun Sep 6 09:30:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 5 0 3 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 5 | 2 0 3 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 4 | 5 2 1 0 4 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 3 | 3 0 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 1200 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR) | | Kevan | | | Grimace | Hat (A), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] { Comments: Reposted with the correct LV. Tsk. -- Ludicrum tempus fugit -1 Bronze for the Fruit and Nut (into the till) +1 Red for a two-Liner +1 Black for a same-Liner -1 Red for the Block (on Ladbroke Grove) } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Do you reminisce in black and white?" -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "Black and White" From Kevan Davis Mon Sep 7 05:44:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15910 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Sep 1998 12:44:29 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 12:44:29 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA07891 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:43:07 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07886 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:43:01 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p26.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.26]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA20804 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:42:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:42:47 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809071242.NAA20804@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 Playing Order Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Er, carelesly dave doesn't seem to have been added to the Game 9 Playing Order - as was randomly decided, he's to play after myself, and it's thus his turn. Just thought I'd mention it rather than spanging another GSD to the list. Regards, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Sitting in the garden with a face like a granite statue, I am winter solstice waiting." -- Salad, "Granite Statue" From Richard Brockie Mon Sep 7 07:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9338 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Sep 1998 14:23:11 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 14:23:11 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11460 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:22:32 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11457 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:22:29 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA05720 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:22:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:22:28 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 Game State Document In-Reply-To: <98090714400316@w...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, I am the Water Boatman wrote: > +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ > | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | > | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | > +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ > | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 5 0 3 1 2 0 | > | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 5 | 2 0 3 0 5 0 | > | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 4 | 5 2 1 0 4 0 | > | dave (A)| Arsenal | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | ^^^^^^^ > dave : [Home: Manor House] Manor House (PD) Er, these two do not match and anyway, Arsenal is an illegal Home station. > {Comment: > > Beware all ye gentle folk, the Amethysts are in town. > > And we mean business. > > Oh yes we do. --- miKi From Richard Brockie Mon Sep 7 07:32:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12194 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Sep 1998 14:32:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 14:32:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11741 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:31:43 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11738 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:31:40 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA06065 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:31:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:31:39 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 Game State Document In-Reply-To: <98090715362569@w...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, I am the Water Boatman wrote: > >> | dave (A)| Arsenal | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | > > ^^^^^^^ > >> dave : [Home: Manor House] Manor House (PD) > > > >Er, these two do not match and anyway, Arsenal is an illegal Home station. > > Oops. Ahem. I was originally going to have Arsenal as my home station, but I > changed my mind and forgot to amend the token table. > > Anyway, why is Arsenal illegal? Within 6 of MC - Rule 1.12.2. --- miKi From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 8 06:48:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 19: *Actual* Voting Results Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Looking at the Quorum thing, it turns out that dave's Inactivity actually means that all the Proposals passed last Week. Tsk, eh? Here's what the retroactive fiddling-around amounts to:- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 477 Shunt by Polite Society 2 1 - 3 Amends 1.10.1/2, 1.14.1 478 Dead-End Shunts 2 1 - 3 Enacts 1.10.3 479 Millinery Coup 2 1 - 3 Amends 1.4.18, 1.7.20, 1.4.6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kudos and Apathy remains unchanged (beyond the correct for dave being Inactive). Expect the Week 20 stuff in a short-ish while. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I'm so glad to grow older, to move away from those darker years." -- Morrissey, "Break Up The Family" From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 8 08:37:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7419 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Sep 1998 15:37:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1998 15:37:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA07386 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:35:16 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07380 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:35:09 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p30.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.30]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA21298 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:34:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:34:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809081534.QAA21298@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Emergency Proposal 026 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emergency Proposal 026 - What a Silly Shunt [Amendment] { Comments: The Proposal that amended the Shunting Rule carelessly neglected to include the condition that the Shunter and Shuntee had to have the same Line Code; this aims to fix it. Rather than just adding another paragraph, I've reworked the criteria list. Note that under the new Eprop Rules, all Players other than the Proposer are eligible to Vote. Check Rule 0.7.2 if you need a reminder on how Eprops work these days. } In Rule 1.10.1 (A Shunting We Will Go) replace all up to the paragraph beginning "Blocked Stations, closed Lines" with:- If a Player with an LV greater than zero Moves to a Station that is occupied by another Player, e can perform the Action "[Shunting to ]" to Shunt a Player from that Station to another Station of the Actioning Player's choice (the "Target Station"), so long as the following criteria are true:- * There are 'n-1' Stations between the Target Station and the Shunted Player's initial location (where 'n' is the Actioning Player's Line Velocity), or there are less than 'n-1' Stations between it and the Shunted Player's initial location, and it is also a Terminus Station. * The Line Code of the Target Station is the same as one of the Lines which serves the Shunted Player's initial location. * The Shunted Player's Line Code is the same as that of the Actioning Player. * The Shunted Player's initial location is neither Dollis Hill nor a Holy Station. * The Target Station is not Mornington Crescent. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raised by Kevan, 4:30pm 08/09/98 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 8 10:18:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 20: Voting Results for Week 19 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 480 Whangdepootenawah 3 1 1 1 Amends 1.4.18, Amends 1.7.15/35 481 Form an Orderly Queue 4 1 - 1 Amends 2.6.1 482 Capture the Flag 3 1 1 1 Enacts 2.8.1-5, Amends 1.1.1 Amends variously 483 Release the Pigeons! 2 1 2 1 Fails ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 480 (Julie) - - FOR - - PAS FOR AGA FOR - 481 (Kevan) - - FOR - - FOR PAS FOR FOR - 482 (Kevan) - - FOR - - FOR PAS FOR AGA - 483 (Kevan) - - FOR - - FOR PAS AGA AGA - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 26 23 9 0 29 10 39 10 6 0 Halved: 13 4 5 19 5 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +0 +3 +9 +0 +0 AGA Votes: -0 I -0 I I -1 -3 -0 -0 I Decisiveness: +0 n +3 n n +3 +3 +3 +3 n Voting/Own: -0 a -0 a a -0 -0 -0 -0 a c c c c Passed EPs: +0 t +0 t t +0 +0 +0 +0 t Failed EPs: -0 i -0 i i -0 -0 -0 -0 i Finger/Pulse: +0 v +0 v v +0 +5 +0 +0 v e e e e Award Ceremony: +0 +0 +4 +3 +0 +0 [a] ---------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +0 +3 +9 +17 +3 +3 Final Kudos: 13 23 7 0 29 14 36 8 6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 1 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 1 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - Julie (Whangdepootenawah) For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 8 10:18:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Twenty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 484 - Toffing [Multiple] 1. Toffing action [Action] Neutral Action: [Toffing with ] 10 mins -3 Re 2. How to Toff [Enactment] A Player may Toff another Player that is in the same Zone and Quadrant by performing the [Toffing with ] Action, where is the Player being Toffed and is a Hat that the Toffing Player owns. The Toffed Player must then give the Toffing Player a Gold Token, or its equivalent under any combination of the Token Conversion Actions enumerated under rule 1.17.21. The Tokens given are agreed between the Toffing and the Toffed player privately before the announcement of the Toff, and must be explicitly stated in the Comments section of the Toffing Player's move. The Hat used is destroyed at the end of the Player's Turn. Example: Barry : Highbury and Islington (VC) Willie: Kentish Town (NT) [Toffing Barry with BR Hat] {Comments: Willie gets two silver tokens from Barry as a result of the Toff. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 485 - Beaking [Multiple] 1. One for the birds [Action] Neutral Action [Beaking ] 20mins -2Re, -1Bu 2. Birds of a feather... [Enactment] A Player may Beak another Player by performing the [Beaking ] Action, where is the player being Beaked. The Beaked Player and the Beaking Player must both be at different Park stations on the same Line. The Beaking Player may then take one item from the Beaked Player's Luggage, and up to three Blue Tokens from the Beaked Player (providing the Beaked Player has at least this number of Blue Tokens). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 486 - Renumber the Bloody Actions! [Renumbering] Renumber Section 1.7 {Comments: Ouch!} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Tue Sep 8 10:55:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 5 0 3 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 5 | 2 0 3 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 4 | 5 2 1 0 4 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 1 | 5 3 3 0 4 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 1400 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR) | | Kevan | | | dave | Hat (V) | | Grimace | Hat (A), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] {Comment: Passing : +2 Bu No line change : +1 Bk Got a Zone 1 Pass : +1 Br Busk : +1 Bk, +1 Bu, +1 Re, +1 Br Sloping : um, +1 LV. Time, etc. } From Elusive Tue Sep 8 14:30:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18591 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Sep 1998 21:30:21 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1998 21:30:21 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA15805 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:29:00 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15801 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:28:47 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p06.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.6]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA17619 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:28:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:28:28 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809082128.WAA17619@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: Elusive Subject: MN: Re: Game 9 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 5 0 3 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 5 | 2 0 3 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 4 | 5 2 1 0 4 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 1 | 5 3 3 0 4 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 1500 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR) | | Kevan | | | dave | Hat (V) | | Grimace | Hat (A), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) { Comment: Game Time, etc. +1 Black for same line. } ~~ elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "And you can stop them dragging you down. They've got nothing better to do. Sometimes you've got to laugh in their faces" --The Whitlams, "Laugh in Their Faces" From Thu Sep 10 00:43:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: RE: Re: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:42:07 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 6 0 3 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 5 | 2 0 3 0 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 4 | 5 2 1 0 4 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 1 | 5 3 3 0 4 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 1500 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR) | | Kevan | | | dave | Hat (V) | | Grimace | Hat (A), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) {Comments: LV-1 for Hill +1Bk for Same-liner Thinks - this was a very dull start. Might as well waste an hour. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNfb2LctA22MsBS7iEQJlXwCg9fJPZKfJFZ7y6JPh/q92RWrMOwQAoIGe 97qq7a3OAXm+oJ/o9YX04erh =12lV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Richard Brockie Thu Sep 10 04:07:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 6 0 3 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 5 | 3 0 4 1 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 4 | 5 2 1 0 4 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 1 | 5 3 3 0 4 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 1600 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | | | dave | Hat (V) | | Grimace | Hat (A), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] {Comments: +1 Go for token running, +1 Bk for no line change, +1 Br for zone pass, Game time advanced. } From Kevan Davis Thu Sep 10 05:06:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 6 0 3 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 5 | 3 0 4 1 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 6 4 1 0 3 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 1 | 5 3 3 0 4 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 1700 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | | | dave | Hat (V) | | Grimace | Hat (A), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit +2 Blue for the Pass -1 Red for the Block (on Ladbroke Grove) +1 Black for not changing Line } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "If you give him some for Christmas, he'll return it yer." -- John Hegley, "Eddie Don't Like Furniture" From Thu Sep 10 12:24:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 6 0 3 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 5 | 3 0 4 1 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 6 4 1 0 3 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 1 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 4 | 7 3 4 0 5 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 2000 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | | | dave | Hat (V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] {Comment: I make it 80 mins (10 LV, 10 move, 10 hat, 50 busk) Buy time : -1 Bu Same-liner: +1 Bk Busk : +1 Bk, +1 Bu, +1 Re, +1 Br Downhill : +1 LV (at end of turn still, fix coming this week) } From Elusive Fri Sep 11 02:17:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23323 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Sep 1998 09:17:33 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 09:17:33 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21286 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:16:26 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21283 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:16:22 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p02.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.2]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA25592 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:16:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:16:16 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809110916.KAA25592@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: Elusive Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 6 0 3 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 5 | 3 0 4 1 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 6 4 1 0 3 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 1 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 4 | 7 3 4 0 5 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 2100 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | | | dave | Hat (V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) { Comments: Game Time, etc. +1 Gold for Token Running +1 Black for Same Line } ~~ elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "Rats are in the kitchen scratching, whispering my name and laughing" --Strangelove, "Another Night In" From Kevan Davis Fri Sep 11 08:09:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3488 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Sep 1998 15:08:59 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 15:08:59 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA32661 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:06:27 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA32656 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:06:21 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p29.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.29]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA17668 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:06:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:06:16 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809111506.QAA17668@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: this week's proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I don't like the Toffing action because of the bit about privately agreeing on >the tokens before the action is performed -- that means you have to let the >person know you're going to toff them before you do it, which I feel is >somehow not quite right. Indeed; particularly if you try to Toff the Player who takes eir Turn before you - they can just repost their a different GSD. Add to this the fact that the "waiting for the other person to agree" aspect makes for a rather hefty delay if we ever Toff between hemispheres, and I think it gets an AGAINST. Maybe if the Toffing Player took the lowest possible denominations of payment it might work, but it still seems arguably overpowerful. >And I'm not sure about Beaking, whether it would be particularly useful, >whether it's a good idea to introduce another way to nick other players' >possessions... The Blue Token theft seems a bit too harsh, but otherwise it's not *too* bad. Just something to watch out for if you're Parcel-running. >And I don't like Proposal 486 because it's so vague as to be verging on the >meaningless. You might as well make a proposal 'Alter the rules.' The "Renumbering" Proposal Type does actually state that all Rules should be renumbered in order. Thankfully it only says that it "allows the Speaker to", so I'm free to ignore it if I don't feel up to it. Maybe when I can etch a little script to do all the legwork for me; until then, it doesn't really seem worth the candle. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "They say 'plenty more fish', I say 'Amoko Cadiz'." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Keeping Two Chevrons Apart" From Kevan Davis Fri Sep 11 09:59:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Thankfully one of you (Julie) thought to Vote; she Voted FOR, and EProp 026 passes, amending the Shunting Rule to reintroduce the same-Line limit. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I think about you. It's just something that I do." -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "I Think About You" From Richard Brockie Fri Sep 11 10:00:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14201 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Sep 1998 17:00:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 17:00:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA02376 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:59:47 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02372 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:59:43 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA03781 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:59:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:59:37 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Subject: Re: MN: Emergency Proposal 026 - Passes In-Reply-To: <199809111657.RAA25835@c...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > Thankfully one of you (Julie) thought to Vote; she Voted FOR, and EProp 026 > passes, amending the Shunting Rule to reintroduce the same-Line limit. Eeek! I did mean to vote FOR as well, but never did. Well done Julie! --- miKi From Elusive Sun Sep 13 02:31:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20734 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Sep 1998 09:31:18 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1998 09:31:18 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09850 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:29:44 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09847 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:29:40 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p05.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.5]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA15123 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:29:38 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:29:38 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809130929.KAA15123@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Elusive Subject: MN: Garden Nomic Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Hello guys .. I just wanted to make a cheeky posting to the mailing list to let you know that I've started my own Nomic ... yes, horrible pun and all. I am currently looking for some players and thought that I'd let you all know in case any of you had the time and the enthusiasm to play another Nomic. The home page for this Nomic is located at http://members.xoom.com/gnomic and from there it will tell you how to subscribe to the mailing list. Also on this page you'll find the starting basic ruleset. Kevan also wanted me to stress that any discussion about this Nomic should be carried out on the separate mailing list so as to avoid any confusion between the two. On a personal note ... *grovel* *beg* Please join my Nomic or I'll cry. =) Julie ~~ elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "The moment that I step outside, so many reasons for me to run and hide." -- No Doubt, "Just a Girl" From Mon Sep 14 01:30:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 267 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Sep 1998 08:30:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 1998 08:30:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA32726 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:29:15 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA32723 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:29:04 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id SAA19925; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:29:00 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma019908; Mon, 14 Sep 98 18:28:53 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:28:52 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0286@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:28:48 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 1 | 6 0 3 1 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 5 | 3 0 4 1 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 6 4 1 0 3 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 1 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 4 | 7 3 4 0 5 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 2100 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | | | dave | Hat (V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] [Black Token on Kensington (Olympia)] [Black Token on Kensington (Olympia)] [Black Token on Kensington (Olympia)] [Black Token on Kensington (Olympia)] {Comments: : LV+1 from Hill 10mins : LV+2 10mins +1Go : Token Running 10mins +1Bk : same line move +1Br : Zone 4 move (I checked the timing on this - it's legal) 10mins -4Br : Purchasing zone pass 5mins -1Bk : token placement 5mins -1Bk : token placement 5mins -1Bk : token placement 5mins -1Bk : token placement - ------------= 60mins and an instant Kafka Sinkhole! Yours sincerely, } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNfxHH8tA22MsBS7iEQL0yQCg75BDg9U34koULlmShAVzIGsbY5cAn3yk vKCPiDHXi+ExxI4Dik/uQwAG =HQk9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Richard Brockie Mon Sep 14 05:33:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, I am the Water Boatman wrote: > >PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central > > [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] [Black Token on Kensington > > (Olympia)] [Black Token on Kensington (Olympia)] > > [Black Token on Kensington (Olympia)] [Black Token on > > Kensington (Olympia)] > > Hate to piss on your bonfire, but isn't there something in the rules about > performing an action more than once in the same turn? Or is that somethign else > that has been lost in the mists of time? Rule 1.3.4 - took me ages to find it... --- miKi From Mon Sep 14 06:06:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8896 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Sep 1998 13:06:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 1998 13:06:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06162 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:04:14 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06159 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:04:10 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26458 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:04:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 14 Sep 1998 13:04:01 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA17459; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:03:59 +0100 Message-Id: <199809141303.OAA17459@uks447> Date: 14 Sep 98 13:54:02 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Dunx Active Again MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Hello all. Back, refreshed, from an alarmingly damp holiday in Ireland. I return to lend once more my presence to the strength of the Blue team, and I promise to do something more interesting than just Pass this time. So, are we having a Game 10 then? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Mon Sep 14 07:58:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18787 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Sep 1998 14:58:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 1998 14:58:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08643 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:57:28 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08636 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:57:24 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p19.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.19]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA07141 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:57:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:57:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809141457.PAA07141@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Dunx Active Again Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Back, refreshed, from an alarmingly damp holiday in Ireland. Sounds wonderful. Nice to see you back, anyway. >I return to >lend once more my presence to the strength of the Blue team, and I promise >to do something more interesting than just Pass this time. Back into the realms of three Players against two against two, then. I still feel guilty about this - maybe we need some amendment, for future Team Games. >So, are we having a Game 10 then? We're not, no. I'm not entirely sure why. Does anyone have any particular requests, or shall we just go for another Vanilla Ruleset one? Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "There are no friends, only strangers you've met." -- I Ludicrous, "Spock's Brain" From Mon Sep 14 10:56:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > >So, are we having a Game 10 then? > > We're not, no. I'm not entirely sure why. Does anyone have any > particular requests, or shall we just go for another Vanilla Ruleset > one? I'm eager to try out the Ruttsborough ruleset myself. -Graeme. From Mon Sep 14 10:56:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26826 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Sep 1998 17:56:10 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 1998 17:56:10 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13043 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:55:07 +0100 Received: from relay3.force9.net (relay3.force9.net [195.166.128.26]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13018 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:54:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199809141754.SAA13018@q...> Received: (qmail 6869 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1998 17:56:39 -0000 Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by relay3.force9.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 1998 17:56:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 4938 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1998 17:49:38 -0000 Received: from 00-42.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.130.106) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 1998 17:49:38 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: Re: MN: RE: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:54:06 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > > Hate to piss on your bonfire, but isn't there something in the rules about > > performing an action more than once in the same turn? Or is that > > somethign else that has been lost in the mists of time? > > Rule 1.3.4 - took me ages to find it... Token Claiming, on the other hand, can be performed multiple times from different stations; perhaps the same clause might be added to the rather limited Dropping action? -Graeme. From Mon Sep 14 18:21:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6448 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Sep 1998 01:21:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1998 01:21:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA22544 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:20:20 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA22539 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:20:10 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id LAA13396; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:20:05 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma013348; Tue, 15 Sep 98 11:20:00 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:19:59 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0287@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: RE: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:19:57 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 5 | 6 0 0 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 5 | 3 0 4 1 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 6 4 1 0 3 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 1 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 4 | 7 3 4 0 5 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 2200 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | | | dave | Hat (V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] {Comments: : LV+1 from Hill 10mins : LV+2 10mins +1Go : Token Running 10mins +1Bk : same line move +1Br : Zone 4 move (I checked the timing on this - it's legal) 10mins -4Br : Purchasing zone pass The Instant Kafka Sinkhole turns out to be impossible, for reasons demonstrated in other emails. Oh well. This time I'll also update the token table and game time. Love, } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNf00HctA22MsBS7iEQI62gCffkRzZ+rl57moIRbjpUNesWECpEAAn3Fv 8RLe5bzaLP1o+NtQGoDw0/qm =vfcI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 15 04:26:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Voting Results for Week 20 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 484 Toffing 1 - 3 3 Fails 485 Beaking 2 - 2 3 Fails 486 Renumber the Bloody Actions! 2 - 2 3 Fails ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 484 (PaulWay) AGA - FOR - - AGA AGA - - - 485 (PaulWay) AGA - FOR - - AGA FOR - - - 486 (PaulWay) AGA - FOR - - FOR AGA - - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 13 23 7 0 29 14 36 8 6 0 Halved: 6 11 3 7 18 4 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +5 AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 I I -0 -0 -0 -7 I Decisiveness: +3 +0 +3 n n +3 +3 +0 +3 n Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 a a -0 -0 -0 -0 a c c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 t t +0 +1 +0 +0 t EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 i i -0 -0 -0 -0 i Finger/Pulse: +5 +0 +0 v v +0 +0 +0 +0 v e e e Award Ceremony: +0 +0 +0 +0 +3 +0 +0 [a] ---------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +8 +0 +3 +3 +7 +0 +1 Final Kudos: 14 11 6 0 29 10 25 4 4 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 0 1 1 3 0 0 0 1 0 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 15 04:26:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Twenty-One ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 487 - Checked Flag [Multiple] 1. Which Flag Were We Capturing, Again? [Amendment] Reword Rule 2.8.4 (Capturing and Dropping) to:- If a Player has passed through or moved to a Station containing a Flag during eir Turn, e may perform the Action "[Collecting Flag (T)]" to place the Flag of the specified Team in eir Luggage. If a Player is carrying a Flag, e may perform the post-Move Action of "[Flag (T) on ]" to place the Flag of the specified Team at a Station, where "" is any Station which the Actioning Player's Piece has passed through this Turn, or started or ended its Move at. { Comments : Just in case we have numerous Flags about the place; I'd overlooked this in the original Proposal. } 2. Running with Scissors [Enactment] If a Player is carrying a Flag, e may not perform any Actions which alter the location of eir Piece; all of eir Piece Movement must be performed during the Movement phase. { Comments : Someone mentioned in their Voting that Flag-capturing was far too easy with the "Home" Action (tsk to them for not discussing it on the mailing list) - a very good point, and this restriction (a la the Parcel) plugs that rather gaping loophole. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 488 - Quorum, Schmorum [Amendment] To Rule 0.5.4 (Abstentions and Quorum), append the following paragraph:- "If a Rule fails to reach Quorum, its Proposer may repropose it unchanged during the next Nomic Week - this reproposal does not count towards the usual Weekly Proposal limit." { Comments : This means a gap of a Week, since the Proposer won't know that it's failed Quorum until the Voting Results go out, along with the Proposals for the new Week. But it's better than a kick in the teeth. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 489 - Pointless Crusade Ahoy [Multiple] { Comments : "Release the Pigeons!" again, with a slight bit of tweaking to make it more palatable (you can catch Pigeons without recourse to bread products, but get two with an Overpriced Baguette). I was bitterly, bitterly disappointed that this didn't get through the other Week, and shall be mercilessly reproposing it every time I can't think of a third Proposal, or until I'm persuaded to shut up. Pigeons are good. } 1. Release the Pigeons! [Enactment] Pigeons exist in the Game, as Possessions. Any Player may perform the post-Move Action "[Catching Pigeon]" to add a Pigeon to eir Inventory, provided that their Piece is situated at Charing Cross (the Station nearest to Trafalgar Square). If the Actioning Player is carrying an Overpriced Baguette, e instead adds two Pigeons to eir Inventory. Any Player may perform the post-Move Action "[Releasing Pigeon(s)]", provided that their Piece is situated at a Park Station. Upon performing this Action, all Pigeons carried by the Actioning Player are removed from eir Luggage, and e gains one Gold Token for each Pigeon released in this manner. A Player carrying one or more Pigeons may not perform an "Eating" Action, and if e is ever Shunted, all Pigeons e carries (bar any that might be stolen by the Shunter) are removed from eir Luggage. 2. Not Words But [Action] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Action Rule Duration Cost ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Catching Pigeon] 1.7.x [Releasing Pigeons] 1.7.x ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 490 - Token Cascades [Other, Multiple] 1. Token Cascade actions [Actions] Post-move action: [Token Cascade] : 15 mins : -4 Re/Bu/Bk Post-move action: [Cascade Kill] : 10 mins : -2 Re Post-move action: [Cascade Steal] : 10 mins : -3 Re 2. Basic Token Cascades. [Enactment] A Player may initiate a Token Cascade if that Player has none of a single plastic token colour, and is situated inside the Circle line. Every subsequent Player must give the actioning Player N plastic tokens at the beginning of eir next turn, where N is the number of moves since the relevant Cascade action was played, as long as it has not ended since. If the current Player cannot make such a payment, that Player must instead give the actioning Player all eir plastic tokens of a single colour of the current Player's choice such that this is the highest amount of plastic tokens of a single colour e owns; the Cascade then ends. 3. Stealing and Killing Cascades [Enactment] If a Token Cascade is in effect, a Player may 'steal' the Cascade, in order to focus the benefits of the Cascade onto emselves, and may kill the Cascade to end it. If a Player plays a [Cascade Steal] action, all tokens transferred as a result of the Cascade should be transferred to this new Player instead of the Cascade initiator. A player may also play a [Cascade Kill] action. The Cascade immediately ends. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 491 - The Sensible Slope [Amendment] Replace the text 'at the end of eir turn' in the second paragraph of rule 1.6.2 (The Slippery Slope) with the text 'before eir Move'. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 492 - 'Towing the Line' Gag Here [Other, Multiple] Tow Action [Action] Neutral action: [Towing ] : 10 mins : -2 Bk Stubbed Tows [Enactment] A Player may Tow another Player to a Station, provided that both players hold at least one Ticket Stub, and the Towing Player passes through the Station the Towed Player is situated at in eir move. The Towed Player's location becomes the Station the Towing Player moved to; and Towing cannot be continued beyond that Station (ie, through Straddles or other move extensions). The Towed Player's LV is set to 0 after the Tow. Players in Spoon cannot be Towed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 493 - Guiness is good for you [multiple] 1. Heineken reaches the parts other beers cannot reach [amendment] Add the following condition to the list of conditions for placing tokens on stacks given in Rule 1.4.19 (Token Tracking): * It may not be eir Home Station. 2. Probably the best lager in the world [amendment] Amend the first paragraph of Rule 1.14.3 (Token Dropping) to read as follows: "Any Player may perform the Post-Move Action of "[ Token on ]" to place a Token onto a Token Stack, where "" is a colour of Token which the Player possesses, and "" is any Station which the Actioning Player's Piece has passed through, or started or ended eir Move at, except eir Home Station." {Comment: only the last clause is different from the current wording} 3. Australians wouldn't give a XXXX for anything else [enactment] {Comment: if enacted, this rule should go in the Team Play section of the rules. The Speaker may give this rule a sensible name if e so wishes} When a Player places a Token on a Token Stack (either tokens paid to perform actions, or those tokens placed on token stacksby means of the [ Token on Action]) e may not place it on a Token Stack on the Home Station of emself or any other member of eir team, whether that Player is active or inactive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 494 - Now hands that do dishes can feel soft as your face with mild green Fairy Liquid [amendment] Remove the action [LV=0] from the table in Rule 1.7.2 and amend Rule 1.6.3 (Greg! The Stop Sign!) to read as follows: "A Player may perform the pre-Move Action of "[LV+X]" or "[LV-X]", where 'X' is an integer between one and three, to adjust eir Line Velocity appropriately." {Comment: Losing [LV=0], which is a redundant action -- it's equivalant to Passing and has never been used in it's own right (ie without a move of pass) as far as I can remember. I've also removed the condition about only being able to do one of these actions per turn -- if anyone's daft enough to want, for example, to raise eir LV by 3 then reduce it by 2 on the same go (rather than just raise it by one) then let em} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 495 - My Mate Marmite [multiple] 1. Um Bongo, Um Bongo, They Drink it in the Congo [amendment] Amend Rule 2.8.1 (Capture The Flag) to read as follows: "If the "Capture the Flag" Special Ruleset is in effect, the "Team Play" Special Ruleset shall be considered to be in effect also, except that the Action [Giving to ] may not be used to pass another Team's Flag from one team member to another. 2. It's too orangey for crows, it's just for me and my dog [amendment] Amend Rule 2.8.3 (An Englishman's Home) In addition to the normal conditions for selecting a Home Station, Players may not choose a Home Station outside of Zone 4. When the first member of a team declares eir Home Station, that Station becomes known as the Team HQ, the Team Flag is created and is placed at this Station. All other members of the same team must select the Team HQ as eir Home Station. This rule takes precedence over any other rules governing Home Stations. {Comment: fixing a potential loophole (ie capturing a flag and then giving it to your team-mate, who is waiting at your Team HQ), adding the definition of Team HQ and making the rule precedent explicit, and adding the condition of no stations outside Zone 4, just to make it more difficult to protect your flag by hiding it way out at the further reaches of the Northern, Metropolitan, Piccadilly, District or Central Lines} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Richard Brockie Tue Sep 15 04:29:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28356 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Sep 1998 11:29:29 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1998 11:29:29 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00313 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:28:16 +0100 Received: from absolute.foobar.net (absolute.foobar.net [194.164.91.8]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00310 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:28:14 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by absolute.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13003 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:28:18 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA08700 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:28:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:28:00 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Voting Results for Week 20 In-Reply-To: <199809151124.MAA13242@c...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Er Kevan, The week hasn't ended yet! Rule 0.6.2 states that we are using GMT. I still have 30 mins in which to submit my votes... --- miKi From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 15 04:55:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Voting Results for Week 20 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >The week hasn't ended yet! Rule 0.6.2 states that we are using GMT. I >still have 30 mins in which to submit my votes... Er, what? Did the clocks go forward while I wasn't looking, or something? Or are you thinking that the Week ends at 12:59 rather than 11:59? (I know I usually take several hours to get my act together - this probably the shortest turnaround time in Mornomic history...) Puzzled, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Don't leave it all unsaid, somewhere in the wasteland of your head." -- Morrissey, "Sing Your Life" From Richard Brockie Tue Sep 15 05:03:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5239 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Sep 1998 12:02:59 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1998 12:02:59 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01010 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:01:15 +0100 Received: from muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.30]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01003 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:01:09 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by muinntiarach.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA09735 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:01:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:01:04 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Voting Results for Week 20 In-Reply-To: <199809151155.MAA15359@c...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > >The week hasn't ended yet! Rule 0.6.2 states that we are using GMT. I > >still have 30 mins in which to submit my votes... > > Er, what? Did the clocks go forward while I wasn't looking, or > something? Or are you thinking that the Week ends at 12:59 rather > than 11:59? (I know I usually take several hours to get my act > together - this probably the shortest turnaround time in Mornomic > history...) > > Puzzled, "Rule 0.6.2 - The Week-End The Nomic Week ends at 11:59am (GMT) on Tuesday" BST is +1 hour on GMT, therefore the week ends at 12:59pm BST. --- miKi From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 15 11:01:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Corrected Voting Results for Week 20 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 484 Toffing 1 - 4 2 Fails 485 Beaking 2 - 3 2 Fails 486 Renumber the Bloody Actions! 3 - 2 2 Renumbers [a] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Except it doesn't, because it's optional - I'll do it some other time. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 484 (PaulWay) AGA - FOR - - AGA AGA AGA - - 485 (PaulWay) AGA - FOR - - AGA FOR AGA - - 486 (PaulWay) AGA - FOR - - FOR AGA FOR - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 13 23 7 0 29 14 36 8 6 0 Halved: 6 11 3 7 18 4 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +6 AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 I I -0 -0 -0 -9 I Decisiveness: +3 +0 +3 n n +3 +3 +0 +3 n Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 a a -0 -0 -0 -0 a c c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 t t +0 +1 +0 +0 t EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 i i -0 -0 -0 -0 i Finger/Pulse: +0 +0 +0 v v +5 +0 +5 +0 v e e e Award Ceremony: +0 +0 +0 +0 +3 +0 +0 [a] ---------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +3 +0 +3 +8 +7 +5 +0 Final Kudos: 9 11 6 0 29 15 25 9 3 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 0 1 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 15 11:01:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Voting Results for Week 20 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >"Rule 0.6.2 - The Week-End > > The Nomic Week ends at 11:59am (GMT) on Tuesday" > >BST is +1 hour on GMT, therefore the week ends at 12:59pm BST. [shrugs] Fair enough. Bizarre it's never come up before, in the year and a half we've been doing this. It affects nought but the passing of the Renumbering Proposal, but since that's optional I'll decline to do anything about it just yet; I'll write something to do it automatically, at some point. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Everybody's got to live their life, and God knows I've got to live mine." -- The Smiths, "William, It Was Really Nothing" From Tue Sep 15 11:03:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15865 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Sep 1998 18:03:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1998 18:03:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA09090 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:02:07 +0100 Received: from relay3.force9.net (relay3.force9.net [195.166.128.26]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA09067 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:02:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199809151802.TAA09067@q...> Received: (qmail 21530 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1998 18:03:51 -0000 Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by relay3.force9.net with SMTP; 15 Sep 1998 18:03:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 10117 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1998 17:56:32 -0000 Received: from 01-15.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.130.143) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 15 Sep 1998 17:56:32 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: MN: Re: Year 2, Week 21: Proposals Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:01:43 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Proposal 490 - Token Cascades [Other, Multiple] Ah. Mmm. This was by me, and, in the light of day, it seems to suffer from obtuse wording. A bit of a pity, it ought to work, but vote against if you like. > If the current Player cannot make such a payment, that Player must > instead give the actioning Player all eir plastic tokens of a single > colour of the current Player's choice such that this is the highest > amount of plastic tokens of a single colour e owns; the Cascade then > ends. This is the bad part, I'm sure you'll agree. Ugh. -Graeme. From Tue Sep 15 11:03:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15935 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Sep 1998 18:03:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1998 18:03:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA09084 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:02:04 +0100 Received: from relay3.force9.net (relay3.force9.net [195.166.128.26]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA09063 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:01:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199809151801.TAA09063@q...> Received: (qmail 21522 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1998 18:03:47 -0000 Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by relay3.force9.net with SMTP; 15 Sep 1998 18:03:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 10110 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1998 17:56:31 -0000 Received: from 01-15.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.130.143) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 15 Sep 1998 17:56:31 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: Re: MN: RE: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:01:34 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > >Token Claiming, on the other hand, can be performed multiple times > >from different stations; perhaps the same clause might be added to > >the rather limited Dropping action? > > I think not -- the principal objection being that it would give license to the > creation of instant token stacks. Well, not in the way Paul tried, due to the 'different stations' part, but I see how the Table could be satiated very quickly. Perhaps an allowance of one token onto any existing stacks, and one for a new stack, although that seems rather obscure. -Graeme. From Tue Sep 15 16:41:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21434 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Sep 1998 23:41:47 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1998 23:41:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA16867 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:40:38 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16863 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:40:29 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA12110; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:40:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmexh001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.2) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma011971; Wed, 16 Sep 98 09:40:04 +1000 Received: by ARICRMEXH001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:40:04 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E028E@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Year 2, Week 21: Corrected Voting Results for Week 20 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:39:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, September 16, 1998 4:00 AM, Kevan Davis [SMTP:kdavis@i...] wrote: > 484 Toffing 1 - 4 2 Fails > 485 Beaking 2 - 3 2 Fails Ouch. I'll repost these with the appropriate corrections, or are people against the ideas altogether? Thanks, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNf5uKstA22MsBS7iEQKW9wCeOODmxv1gfgyplWv7TUp/drHGD88An2e3 4XJc/IZfo4+5O/zdOT80K4x3 =Qz0+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Kevan Davis Wed Sep 16 02:30:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1598 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Sep 1998 09:30:47 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 09:30:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26254 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:29:49 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26250 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:29:45 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p09.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.9]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA26263 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:29:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:29:50 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809160929.KAA26263@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: Year 2, Week 21: Corrected Voting Results for Week 20 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> 484 Toffing 1 - 4 2 Fails >> 485 Beaking 2 - 3 2 Fails > >Ouch. I'll repost these with the appropriate corrections, or are people >against the ideas altogether? Personally I'd be happier if Toffing included a restriction that the Toffed Player must own the Hat in question as well - it seems too powerful a way to steal Golds, otherwise. With all Stations within the Circle Line being in the same Zone and Quadrant these days, swiping Golds near the endgame is *far* too easy this way. The sole requirement of sacrificing a Hat isn't too much of a penalty, as it stands (for you can usually get one every other Turn or so). (Shouldn't it be Doffing, incidentally?) As for Beaking - I didn't think it that bad, although I suppose the benefits of it could probably use decreasing. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "There is no right. There is no wrong. There is only public opinion." -- Jeffrey, "Twelve Monkeys" From Kevan Davis Wed Sep 16 03:05:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9883 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Sep 1998 10:05:27 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 10:05:27 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26994 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:03:52 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26991 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:03:49 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p07.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.7]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA29124 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:03:55 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:03:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809161003.LAA29124@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 10 Announcement Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Time, I think, for a new game. Since we've not flexed the Special Rulesets anywhere near enough, I think we'll go with (as someone suggested) a fast and furious game under the Ruttsborough '58 Special Ruleset. The initial Playing Order shall be:- 1. Kevan 2. Drone And the initial Game Time is Friday 0900. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Too many psychopaths, not enough cycle paths." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Children of Apocalyptic Techstep" From Wed Sep 16 03:18:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12674 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Sep 1998 10:18:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 10:18:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27308 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:17:12 +0100 Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27305 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:17:06 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA18757 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA15962; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:16:59 +0100 Message-Id: <199809161016.LAA15962@uks447> Date: 16 Sep 98 11:13:17 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 Announcement X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 16-Sep-98 11:03 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Good - a Ruttsborough game. Excellent. I'd like to join as well, please. Oh, and I don't have to declare home either - how marvellous. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Sep 16 03:25:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14363 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Sep 1998 10:25:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 10:25:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27545 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:24:55 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27542 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:24:51 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p04.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.4]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA00452 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:24:55 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:24:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809161024.LAA00452@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Proposal 490 - Token Cascades [Other, Multiple] > >A Player may initiate a Token Cascade if that Player has none >of a single plastic token colour, Hmm. Ambiguous. It must mean "that Player either has no Red Tokens, no Black Tokens or no Blue Tokens", of course, otherwise you couldn't ever play the Action (since you require some Tokens to pay for it). Aside from that and the other slightly tortured wording that was mentioned, though, a fine implementation of Cascades. >Proposal 492 - 'Towing the Line' Gag Here [Other, Multiple] > >Tow Action [Action] > > Neutral action: [Towing ] : 10 mins : -2 Bk > >Stubbed Tows [Enactment] > > A Player may Tow another Player to a Station, provided that both >players hold at least one Ticket Stub, and the Towing Player >passes through the Station the Towed Player is situated at in eir >move. The Towed Player's location becomes the Station the Towing >Player moved to; and Towing cannot be continued beyond that Station >(ie, through Straddles or other move extensions). A nice idea, but rather awkwardly implemented; it should really be a post-Move Action that summons the Piece of a Player you've passed, I think. Hideously overpowerful in terms of Shunting, though - you need no longer moderate your speed to Shunt someone; just rush past them with an LV of 10, Tow them to your final location, then belt them with a hefty Shunt. Quite, quite nasty. And it could probably use a clause clarifying which Line the Towed Player ends up on. A fine idea, anyway. With a "no-Shunting" (and perhaps "no- Shadowing") clause, I'd welcome it. >Proposal 493 - Guiness is good for you [multiple] All marginally superfluous in light of the new "Hoarding" Action, I fear. Although this does highlight the fact that, er, Hoarding is quite broken, being an instant-Stack-creation trick. As for what it aims to achieve; I'm not sure if this is the best way to go about it. Flipping Tokens to Stations which lurk behind your Home Station (if it's blocking off a line branch) is equally sneaky, but not too damaging unless the Player can be bothered to go and get them back. >Proposal 494 - Now hands that do dishes can feel soft as your face with > mild green Fairy Liquid [amendment] > >{Comment: Losing [LV=0], which is a redundant action -- it's equivalant to >Passing and has never been used in it's own right (ie without a move of pass) >as far as I can remember. [does a search of the archives] I've used it once, eating a Chocolate Bar afterwards to get my LV down from six to one... Kevan : [LV=0] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Bridges Up] Aside from that, it was only used back in the days when making a Move of "Pass" required it. I'm not sure how useful it is; it is *slightly* more handy than a Pass, in that you can put your LV to zero and play the same Station again (getting a reward if it's an Interchange, or whatever), but I think we can live without it. >I've also removed the condition about only being able >to do one of these actions per turn -- if anyone's daft enough to want, for >example, to raise eir LV by 3 then reduce it by 2 on the same go (rather than >just raise it by one) then let em} Absolutely right, yes. A sound Proposal. >Proposal 495 - My Mate Marmite [multiple] > >"If the "Capture the Flag" Special Ruleset is in effect, the "Team Play" >Special Ruleset shall be considered to be in effect also, except that the >Action [Giving to ] may not be used to pass another Team's >Flag from one team member to another. Superfluous, I'm afraid, since only Small Possessions can be gifted, and the Flag lacks such a Quality. >In addition to the normal conditions for selecting a Home Station, Players may >not choose a Home Station outside of Zone 4. Ah. Yes. Good idea. Morden or something would be far too irritating. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Take the National Express when your life's in a mess." -- The Divine Comedy, "National Express" From Wed Sep 16 03:57:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22171 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Sep 1998 10:57:36 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 10:57:36 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28231 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:56:46 +0100 Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28228 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:56:42 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA21706 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA14918; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:56:29 +0100 Message-Id: <199809161056.LAA14918@uks447> Date: 16 Sep 98 11:53:57 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 16-Sep-98 11:24 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Kevan commented: >>Proposal 492 - 'Towing the Line' Gag Here [Other, Multiple] >Hideously overpowerful in terms of Shunting, though - you need >no longer moderate your speed to Shunt someone; just rush past >them with an LV of 10, Tow them to your final location, then >belt them with a hefty Shunt. Quite, quite nasty. No, because in order to Shunt someone you need to Move to the Station they occupy. If you start at the same point as them, then they are safe from Shunts (unless some kind of loop can be arranged). >And it could probably use a clause clarifying which Line the >Towed Player ends up on. Oh, definitely. My main problem with this is that I can't see the point, although I suppose it would be a fairly disruptive bit of behaviour and could be useful for Denying Gambits. However - >Tow Action [Action] > > Neutral action: [Towing ] : 10 mins : -2 Bk ... shouldn't the Token cost be in Reds since it's a directly aggressive Action? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Sep 16 04:03:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23775 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Sep 1998 11:03:57 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 11:03:57 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28406 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:03:06 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28403 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:03:03 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p09.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.9]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA02747 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:03:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:03:05 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809161103.MAA02747@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 10 Commences Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Okay; three Players have signed up, so we can start the ball rolling... The initial Playing Order is now:- 1. Kevan 2. Drone 3. Dunx And the initial Game Time is still Friday 0900. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "You said I was ill, and you were not wrong." -- The Smiths, "These Things Take Time" From Kevan Davis Wed Sep 16 04:04:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23933 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Sep 1998 11:04:37 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 11:04:37 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28413 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:03:09 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28408 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:03:05 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p09.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.9]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA02755 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:03:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:03:10 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809161103.MAA02755@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 0900 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) { Comments: Ludicrum nil tempus fugit. Er, that's it. } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "They both savoured the strange warm glow of being much more ignorant than ordinary people, who were only ignorant of ordinary things." -- Discworld scientists at work, "Equal Rites (Terry Pratchett)" From Kevan Davis Wed Sep 16 04:16:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27201 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Sep 1998 11:16:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 11:16:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28696 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:15:33 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28693 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:15:30 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p18.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.18]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA03574 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:15:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:15:34 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809161115.MAA03574@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Hideously overpowerful in terms of Shunting, though - you need >>no longer moderate your speed to Shunt someone; just rush past >>them with an LV of 10, Tow them to your final location, then >>belt them with a hefty Shunt. Quite, quite nasty. > >No, because in order to Shunt someone you need to Move to the Station >they occupy. If you start at the same point as them, then they are safe >from Shunts (unless some kind of loop can be arranged). Ah. True enough. Murky waters, though, since you can Tow someone to an occupied Station and Shunt the Towee rather than the Occupier. >My main problem with this is that I can't see the point, although I >suppose it would be a fairly disruptive bit of behaviour and could be >useful for Denying Gambits. I can see lots of possible tactics with this one, actually, but shall, I think, save them for the Games... >>Tow Action [Action] >> >> Neutral action: [Towing ] : 10 mins : -2 Bk > >... shouldn't the Token cost be in Reds since it's a directly aggressive >Action? It falls between stools, really - not all its uses are really that aggressive (particular in a Team Game). Maybe Blue, but Black seems alright. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Sad-veiled bride, please be happy. Handsome groom, give her room." -- The Smiths, "I Know It's Over" From Richard Brockie Wed Sep 16 04:33:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32019 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Sep 1998 11:33:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 11:33:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29105 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:32:18 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29098 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:32:13 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13607 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:32:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:32:13 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 5 | 6 0 0 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 4 0 5 2 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 6 4 1 0 3 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 1 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 4 | 7 3 4 0 5 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | |*Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Wed 2300 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | | | dave | Hat (V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] { Comments: +1 Go from token running, +1 Bk for same line, +1 Br for Zone Pass, Game time advanced. } ---miKi From Wed Sep 16 07:15:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19744 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Sep 1998 14:15:10 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 14:15:10 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA32475 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:14:04 +0100 Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA32469 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:14:00 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA31126 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA07298; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:13:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199809161413.PAA07298@uks447> Date: 16 Sep 98 15:11:47 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 16-Sep-98 12:03 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1000 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) { Comment: Not, it has to be said, much more interesting than Kevan's Move. Game Time advanced. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Sep 16 10:07:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25104 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Sep 1998 17:07:31 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 17:07:31 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03691 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:06:02 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03673 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:05:52 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p24.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.24]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA27447 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:05:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:05:50 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809161705.SAA27447@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>but not too damaging unless the Player can be bothered to >>go and get them back. > >...I came to the same conclusion. Also, there are other ways to get to a dead >end (eg wild) without passing through another player's home station. Actually no - the "[Wild]" Action makes Moves legal during Step 3 of the Valid Move thing in Rule 1.5.0, and other Player's Home Stations make Moves illegal in Step 4, so the latter takes precedence. It's this that's letting me mercilessly block miKi on the East London Line in Game 9... >> Kevan : [LV=0] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] >> Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Bridges Up] > >That is a use of the action which I hadn't considered, and which on reflection >I think is a useful enough application to justify keeping the action. I don't know; it's a bit cheeky, really. I wouldn't miss the presence of the "[LV=0]" Action too much, myself. >>I'm not sure how useful it is; it is *slightly* more handy than a Pass, >>in that you can put your LV to zero and play the same Station again >>(getting a reward if it's an Interchange, or whatever) > >I don't think that would be allowed -- isn't the token reward gained for >*moving to* the station? Moving to the Station you're already at sounds alright, really; if you can go round the houses and return there with an LV of ten or something, playing the same Move with an LV of zero seems permissible. After all, the LV limit only says:- * If the distance between the target Station and the Player's current Piece Location is not precisely the same as that Player's LV, the Move becomes Invalid. >I think that implies that your turn starts with you at >a different station, and haven't we discussed this one before anyway? Have we? I quite forget. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "People in glass houses seldom throw parties." -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "Miscellaneous" From Kevan Davis Wed Sep 16 10:07:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 3 | 2 0 2 0 3 0 | | Julie | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1100 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) { Comments: New Player Julie added to the Playing Order. -- Ludicrum tempus fugit -1 Black for the Line Change (on Euston) +1 Black for the three-Liner +1 Red for passing two Interchanges } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "In between stations I can see a million possibilities..." -- David Byrne, "A Long Time Ago" From Wed Sep 16 11:42:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Okay; three Players have signed up, so we can start the ball rolling... Me too please. It occurred to me later that Game 11 ought to have been Long, in deference to York. Too late now. -Graeme. From Wed Sep 16 11:42:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 136 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Sep 1998 18:42:37 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 18:42:37 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA06350 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:41:12 +0100 Received: from relay3.force9.net (relay3.force9.net [195.166.128.26]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA06345 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:41:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199809161841.TAA06345@q...> Received: (qmail 1344 invoked from network); 16 Sep 1998 18:43:04 -0000 Received: from relay2.force9.net (195.166.128.25) by relay3.force9.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 18:43:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 16725 invoked from network); 16 Sep 1998 18:35:37 -0000 Received: from 23.usr02.shef.dialup.force9.net (HELO sprout) (195.166.132.151) by relay2.force9.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 18:35:37 -0000 From: "Graeme Jefferis" To: Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Proposals Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:36:22 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > >Hideously overpowerful in terms of Shunting, though - you need > >no longer moderate your speed to Shunt someone; just rush past > >them with an LV of 10, Tow them to your final location, then > >belt them with a hefty Shunt. Quite, quite nasty. > > No, because in order to Shunt someone you need to Move to the Station > they occupy. If you start at the same point as them, then they are safe > from Shunts (unless some kind of loop can be arranged). The original idea was as a defence against shunting; if you're in danger of being shunted, tow the prospective shunter to your own position where they can't get you, without so much of a tactical rethink required. Assuming, of course, you both have stubs - the stub requirement is the bit I'm least happy with (when did we last see a stub in a game?) but I couldn't resist the rule name. Perhaps only the Actioner ought to require a stub... > >Tow Action [Action] > > Neutral action: [Towing ] : 10 mins : -2 Bk > ... shouldn't the Token cost be in Reds since it's a directly aggressive > Action? Well, that's the thing: it's not necessarily aggressive. One example is towing a team member, to assist in gambitry or token running; unlikely perhaps but possible. At any rate, I felt Reds have enough attached to them, and Blues generally need saving for more important things. It ought to be post-move though. I'm notoriously bad at that: my thinking goes something like 'well, you pass a player during movement, so you have to start Towing at that point, therefore neutrality is required'. Tahnkasm, which was a wonderful mistype of 'Thanks,' -Graeme. From Wed Sep 16 16:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9602 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Sep 1998 23:08:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1998 23:08:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA12698 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:06:22 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA12693 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:06:12 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA16914; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:06:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma016802; Thu, 17 Sep 98 09:05:49 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:05:48 +1000 Message-ID: <2F0511E8CF12D2118A8500A0C983459F3E0294@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 10 Announcement Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:05:43 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Wednesday, September 16, 1998 8:13 PM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > Good - a Ruttsborough game. Excellent. Curse - I thought I had said I'd join in game 10. Well, consider this to be me so saying. Nadge, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Thu Sep 17 01:56:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25656 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Sep 1998 08:56:25 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1998 08:56:25 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22433 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:55:04 +0100 Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22416 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:54:58 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA10227 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 01:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA00488; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:54:54 +0100 Message-Id: <199809170854.JAA00488@uks447> Date: 17 Sep 98 09:48:46 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 9 Token Discrepancy MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) A long, long time ago Grimace did this: > Grimace : [LV+3] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] > [Purchasing Casiotone] [Game Time: +0100] Ladbroke Grove > [Shunting Dunx to Hammersmith (PD)] > [Blocking Latimer Road] [Busking] > > { Comment: > [Shunt and Block] = -2Re on Mile End > Steal = +1Re ... and adjusted the token totals accordingly. Unfortunately, when this Move was judged Illegal eir new Move didn't adjust the token totals back properly. My particular complaint isn't that e didn't give back the Red Token e stole from me. Obviously, I would Buzz this transgression but it was rather more than three Moves ago. Grimace - can I have my Token back please? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Elusive Thu Sep 17 03:47:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23598 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Sep 1998 10:46:59 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1998 10:46:59 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24596 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:45:50 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24593 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:45:47 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p03.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.3]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA21948 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:45:53 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:45:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809171045.LAA21948@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Elusive Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 3 | 2 0 2 0 3 0 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1200 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] { Comments: -2 Bronze for Zone 2 Pass Game time, etc. } -- elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "There's no aphrodisiac like lonliness" --The Whitlams, "No Aphrodisiac" From Kevan Davis Thu Sep 17 04:20:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1231 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Sep 1998 11:20:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1998 11:20:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25277 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:19:29 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25274 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:19:26 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p26.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.26]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA24424 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:19:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:19:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809171119.MAA24424@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 10 Playing Order Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) With Grimace and Paul added, the Game 10 Playing Order now runs thusly:- 1. Kevan 2. Julie 3. Drone 4. Dunx 5. Grimace 6. PaulWay Play on, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "'Would you like to marry me, and if you like you can buy the ring.' I don't dream about anyone." -- The Smiths, "William, It Was Really Nothing" From Thu Sep 17 04:36:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5640 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Sep 1998 11:36:22 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1998 11:36:22 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25631 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:33:57 +0100 Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25623 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:33:50 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA23597 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA21847; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:33:41 +0100 Message-Id: <199809171133.MAA21847@uks447> Date: 17 Sep 98 12:32:24 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 17-Sep-98 11:45 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 3 | 2 0 2 0 3 0 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 3 0 0 0 1 0 | | Grimace | | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1300 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (C) | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] { Comment: Should have done the Hat & Pass Shuffle last time, but I forgot. In full - 10 mins +2 Re (Pass) 20 mins -3 Re (Bulkheading, with Ruttsborough discount - all on Totteridge & Whetstone) +1 Bk (same line) 10 mins -2 Br (purchasing - vapour) 10 mins (millinery) Game Time advanced New Players added } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Thu Sep 17 05:50:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Proposals In-Reply-To: <98091713171468@w...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, I am the Water Boatman wrote: > >It's this that's letting me mercilessly block miKi on the East > >London Line in Game 9... > > Maybe I'm being really dense, but I just don't see why miKi can't just Wild > emself off to somewhere else if e so wished. Curiously, I too am wondering about Kevan's reasoning. --- miKi From Kevan Davis Thu Sep 17 08:39:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28456 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Sep 1998 15:39:21 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1998 15:39:21 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA31303 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:37:41 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA31300 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:37:36 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p27.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.27]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA12884 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:37:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:37:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809171537.QAA12884@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> >It's this that's letting me mercilessly block miKi on the East >> >London Line in Game 9... >> >> Maybe I'm being really dense, but I just don't see why miKi can't just Wild >> emself off to somewhere else if e so wished. > >Curiously, I too am wondering about Kevan's reasoning. Oh? Er, Rule 1.5.0 (Valid Moves):- "After selecting a Valid non-Pass Move, the following Validity Modifiers should be applied in sequence to determine whether that Move is still Valid." Trimming much of the extranea:- "1. LV Checks * If the distance between the target Station and the Player's current Piece Location is not precisely the same as that Player's LV, the Move becomes Invalid. 2. Trivial Fares * Line Changing (Rule 1.5.11) 3. Special Moves * Wild (Rule 1.11.1) 4. Blocks, Impediments and Gaps * Blocks (Rule 1.9.1) 5. Loops and Cascades * Dollis Hill Loop (Rule 1.8.1) * Parks and Greens Cascade (Rule 1.8.2) 6. First Turn * If this is the Player's first Turn in the Game, eir Home Station is a Valid Move and all other Stations are Invalid." Rule 1.11.1 says:- "If a Player performs a pre-Move Action of "[Wild]", eir LV is set to zero and all Wild Stations are treated as Valid Moves for the remainder of eir Turn." Rule 1.9.1 says:- "Once played, a Block is treated as an obstruction on the line - a Player may not Move onto or through a Blocked Station." Admittedly the Block Rule's wording is still a bit quaint (unchanged since the very early days), but either way it boils down to the fact that - using the example of Game 9 - a Move of "[Wild] Colliers Wood":- * Starts out as a Valid Move. * Becomes an Invalid Move at Step 1, the LV Check. * Remains an Invalid Move at Step 2, the Trivial Line Fare. * Becomes a *Valid* Move at Step 3, thanks to the Wild. * Becomes an Invalid Move again at Step 4, because moving to Colliers Wood would involve passing through a Blocked Station. * Remains an Invalid Move through Steps 5 and 6. I thought we'd been through this before, myself. Wild Moves were 'teleports' back in the early days, when your Piece moved immediately upon the Action's performance, but ever since Wilding became "a modifier to the legality of your Move", it's been affected by Blocks along the way. You can use a Wild Action to overrule insufficient Line Velocity, or change of Line, but not a Block, Maelberg, Power Failure or whatever. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Krooklok; Murgatroyd; Web site, Notts." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Four Skinny Indie Kids" From Kevan Davis Thu Sep 17 08:40:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 5 | 6 0 0 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 4 0 5 2 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 7 1 1 0 1 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 1 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 4 | 7 3 4 0 5 0 | | Drone (B)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Up || WILD STATIONS || Time: Thu 0000 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | Drone Stick | | dave | Hat (V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit (a new typeface, a new day...) +2 Blue for the Pass +1 Black for not changing Line -2 Blue for the Bridges (Westbourne Park, Latimer Road) -2 Red for the Fire (Hanger Lane) -3 Blue for the Stick (Westbourne Park, Latimer Road, Bayswater) } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Lovers watch their backs, as hacks in macs take snaps, through telephoto lenses, chase Mercedes Benzes through the night." -- The Divine Comedy, "Generation Sex" From Graeme Jefferis Thu Sep 17 09:19:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10132 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Sep 1998 16:19:00 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1998 16:19:00 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA32226 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:17:33 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA32222 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:17:25 +0100 Received: from [158.152.153.47] (helo=warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zJgkE-0005CV-00 for l-nomic@f...; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:17:22 +0000 Received: by warsteiner.fantoft.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:09:09 +0100 Message-ID: From: Graeme Jefferis To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Proposals Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:09:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I stared at my cascading proposal for a little longer than is sane toady, and came up with a fix which both tidies the wording up and brings the implementation into line with Dronery and Spoon. Essentially, playing a [Token Cascade] gives the Actioner the Cascade Counter, set to 0. Before a move, the player has to increment the counter by 1; this gives the amount of tokens to pay the Counter owner. This approach makes implementing the Steal much easier, but the extra stuff, to define the counter and such, mean the rule is a bit longer. The question is, is this preferable and should I go ahead and propose it, or, is it a sledgehammer/walnut scenario and should I just fix the wording and stop trying to be clever? Thanks, -Graeme From Richard Brockie Thu Sep 17 09:24:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12432 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Sep 1998 16:24:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1998 16:24:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA32400 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:23:26 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA32397 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:23:23 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA00222 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:09:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:09:56 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 21: Proposals In-Reply-To: <199809171537.QAA12884@c...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > Admittedly the Block Rule's wording is still a bit quaint (unchanged > since the very early days), but either way it boils down to the fact > that - using the example of Game 9 - a Move of "[Wild] Colliers Wood":- > > * Starts out as a Valid Move. > * Becomes an Invalid Move at Step 1, the LV Check. > * Remains an Invalid Move at Step 2, the Trivial Line Fare. > * Becomes a *Valid* Move at Step 3, thanks to the Wild. > * Becomes an Invalid Move again at Step 4, because moving to > Colliers Wood would involve passing through a Blocked > Station. > * Remains an Invalid Move through Steps 5 and 6. > > I thought we'd been through this before, myself. Wild Moves were > 'teleports' back in the early days, when your Piece moved immediately > upon the Action's performance, but ever since Wilding became "a > modifier to the legality of your Move", it's been affected by Blocks > along the way. You can use a Wild Action to overrule insufficient > Line Velocity, or change of Line, but not a Block, Maelberg, Power > Failure or whatever. Rule 1.11.1: "If a Player performs a pre-Move Action of "[Wild]", eir LV is set to zero and all Wild Stations are treated as Valid Moves for the remainder of eir Turn. A Player may not adjust eir LV after performing a "[Wild]" Action." I do not remember the arguement about validity modifiers, I may not have been present at the time. The thing is that Rule 1.11.1 does not make any mention about moving to the [Wild] having to act as though the Move is traversing the LU system. It says that all Wild stations are Valid Moves for the remainder of the turn. Rule 1.9.1 - Basic Blocks "Once played, a Block is treated as an obstruction on the line - a Player may not Move onto or through a Blocked Station." The definition of the Block states that it is an obstruction on the line. For it to affect a [Wild] move, the definition of [Wild] needs to state that moving to a [Wild] station has to act as though the Move is traversing the LU system. --- miKi From Thu Sep 17 11:03:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > >It occurred to me later that Game 11 ought to have been Long, in deference > >to York. Too late now. > I don't think Mornomic would work as a reverse game. No. That was a particularly idiotic thing to say, wasn't it? For some reason I thought the new game was game 11.. -Graeme. From Kevan Davis Thu Sep 17 14:29:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Rule 1.11.1: > >"If a Player performs a pre-Move Action of "[Wild]", eir LV is set to zero >and all Wild Stations are treated as Valid Moves for the remainder of eir >Turn. A Player may not adjust eir LV after performing a "[Wild]" Action." > >I do not remember the arguement about validity modifiers, I may not have >been present at the time. The thing is that Rule 1.11.1 does not make any >mention about moving to the [Wild] having to act as though the Move is >traversing the LU system. It says that all Wild stations are Valid Moves >for the remainder of the turn. Hmm. Personally I've been assuming that a Player's actual Move is always along LU lines - whether this is actually stated is quite another matter, of course... [checks around for a good while] Aha. Rule 1.5.8:- "* A Piece's Move is its normal motion along LU lines, excluding all Action-related changes to position." So I'd say that one's Move was *always* along LU lines - Wilding just allows you to make Moves that ignore the usual LV and line-change restrictions (but are still restricted by Blocks and whatnot). Things like Stupid Compass Tricks get around such limitations by being purely Action-based Piece manipulation (which is perhaps a bit suspect), but Wilding is just a Move-legality thing, and remains bound to the rails. Such is my reading of things, anyway... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "So I rang up my local swimming baths. I said 'Is that the local swimming baths?' He said 'It depends where you're calling from.'" -- Tim Vine From Kevan Davis Fri Sep 18 02:01:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Essentially, playing a [Token Cascade] gives the Actioner the >Cascade Counter, set to 0. Before a move, the player has to increment >the counter by 1; this gives the amount of tokens to pay the >Counter owner. This approach makes implementing the Steal much >easier, And adds the interesting "stealing the the Counter through Shunting or Beaking" angle, which is quite good... >but the extra stuff, to define the counter and such, mean >the rule is a bit longer. Hmm. A very neat solution, but it's arguable how much of a problem its absence would be; I think we can probably rely on people to notice the Cascade and keep track - the presence of "I give Grimace three Black Tokens for the Cascade" in the previous Player's comments, before you delete them, being enough of a reminder. Leave the essential mechanics as they stand and just wait to see how it pans out in the playing arena, I should. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "The passing of time, and all of its crimes, is making me sad again." -- The Smiths, "Rubber Ring" From Richard Brockie Fri Sep 18 04:13:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > Hmm. Personally I've been assuming that a Player's actual Move is always > along LU lines - whether this is actually stated is quite another matter, > of course... [checks around for a good while] Aha. Rule 1.5.8:- > > "* A Piece's Move is its normal motion along LU lines, excluding all > Action-related changes to position." > > So I'd say that one's Move was *always* along LU lines - Wilding just > allows you to make Moves that ignore the usual LV and line-change > restrictions (but are still restricted by Blocks and whatnot). Things > like Stupid Compass Tricks get around such limitations by being > purely Action-based Piece manipulation (which is perhaps a bit > suspect), but Wilding is just a Move-legality thing, and remains > bound to the rails. > > Such is my reading of things, anyway... I am inclined to agree that that is the interpretation that the rules imply. However, I don't think that is the general interpretationn - I have come a cropper on this myself, remember my attempt to straddle to the token stack? I understand the general idea that blocks and other such obstructions are physical obstructions to normal movement, with [Wild] and similar being teleport moves. Thus you can get around the block, but there can be major inconvenience in doing do. Swings and roundabouts which balance in the great scheme of things. In the interpretation above, blocks have too great a power and, in my opinion, this is unbalanced. --- miKi From Sat Sep 19 01:06:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 5 | 6 0 0 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 4 0 5 2 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 7 1 1 0 1 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 4 | 4 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 8 3 4 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 4 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Up || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 0600 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | Drone Stick | | dave | Hat (T,V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Rotherhithe | Bu | Angel | Bu | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] {Comments: The line to K(O) is closed. +2 Bu for the Pass +1 Bk for a same-liner -2 Bu for lowering the bridges. One on Rotherhithe, one on Angel. Time, etc, updated by 2 hours, as dave forgot. Oh, yes, giving Dunx a red token as well. I've taken one away from my own red token totals as I imagine it stayed there from the foul Shunt move. } From Kevan Davis Sat Sep 19 09:31:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 5 | 6 0 0 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 4 0 5 2 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 7 1 1 0 1 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 4 | 4 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 8 3 4 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 3 0 1 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 4 0 2 1 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 4 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 0700 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | Drone Stick | | dave | Hat (T,V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone. | | Julie | Hat (V) | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Rotherhithe | Bu | Angel | Bu | | Euston | Susp Package | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] { Comments: Settting the Bridges Down at the top of the GSD, since Grimace overlooked it... -- Ludicrum tempus fugit. +1 Red for passing through two Interchanges +1 Black for not changing Line -2 Red for the Package (lost because the Drone's in Quadrant Zero) -1 Bronze for the Milky Bar } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "In between stations I can see a million possibilities..." -- David Byrne, "A Long Time Ago" From Kevan Davis Sat Sep 19 09:31:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emergency Proposal 027 - Swings and Roundabouts [Multiple] {Comment: Firstly, I shall own up and state my interest in raising this EP. The situation pertains directly to Kevan's hemming me (miKi) in on the EL by blocking Wapping repeatedly in Game 9. Unfortunately, there are more parties involved than just Kevan and myself, as it is a team game. I therefore call on one and all to abandon all personal prejudices and be completely objective in voting on this EP. For my part, if this EP fails, I shall accept with good grace and never speak to you rotten swines ever again... I shall now state the current logical interpretation of the rules and demonstrate how I believe this interpretation conflicts with an interpretation as expressed by myself and two others in the last week. As it stands, there are move validity modifiers which can overcome insignificant LV to reach a destination. For example, if one is at Morden (NT), it is impossible in the rules to have a LV great enough to move directly to Edgeware (NT). However, if Edgeware were declared Wild, then the [Wild] action would allow Edgeware as a valid move. However, Rule 1.5.8 states that the move must still be thought of as passing through the intervening stations. As a consequence, a block at Belsize Park would prohibit the move to Edgeware. This implication that [Wild] and other similar moves such as [Home] should pass through the LU system conflicts with my interpretation. Blocks are a way of impeding normal progress, and Wilds are a way of circumventing Blocks through some inconvenience to the player being impeded. Ther is a balance between the inconvenience to a Player being blocked, which can be quite large if the block is well-timed and the absolute power of the block. The imbalance caused by the rules as it stands results in 10 or so instances where one player can sit and block another in perpituity. In the case of game 9, the imbalance in numbers would be insurmountable if two players of a team of three could continually hemm in both players on a two-person team. } 1. In rule 1.5.8 replace: "A Piece's Move is its normal motion along LU lines, excluding all Action-related changes to position." with: "A Piece's Move is its normal motion along LU lines, excluding all Action-related changes to position and Action-related validity modifiers." 2. In rule 1.5.0 renumber exiating item 3 "Special moves" as new item 1, and renumber existing item 1 as new 2 and existing 2 as new 3. Add the following sentence to new item 1. "The special move validity modifiers take precedence over all validity modifiers, save the following exceptions: o those listed in section 5 below o when the special move destination itself is Blocked" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raised by miKi, 19/09/98 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Voting closes: Tuesday morning at 12:00am (weekends being ignored by Eprops) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Kevan Davis Sat Sep 19 09:36:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10578 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Sep 1998 16:36:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1998 16:36:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA22154 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 17:35:16 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22150 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 17:35:10 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p10.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.10]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA18394 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 17:35:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 17:35:19 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809191635.RAA18394@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Re: Wilding past Blocks Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> So I'd say that one's Move was *always* along LU lines - Wilding just >> allows you to make Moves that ignore the usual LV and line-change >> restrictions (but are still restricted by Blocks and whatnot). [...] > >I understand the general idea that blocks and other such obstructions are >physical obstructions to normal movement, with [Wild] and similar being >teleport moves. Thus you can get around the block, but there can be major >inconvenience in doing do. Swings and roundabouts which balance in the >great scheme of things. In the interpretation above, blocks have >too great a power and, in my opinion, this is unbalanced. I think Blocks are reasonably balanced as they stand. Yes, at the moment in Game 9 I'm quite smugly sitting at Shadwell and trapping you on the East London Line, but in order to do this I need to sit in the same place every Turn; I'm sacrificing my own freedom (and a Red Token each Turn) to impede yours. Through luck and strategy I've put myself in a position where *I* decide when we can both start moving again; that's really the only benefit I've got over you, and I don't think it's dramatically overpowerful. (It's near useless in a two-player Game, and leaves me very open to attack from other directions in a Game with three or more Players.) And it's a fair hazard of Token Running, I think; after all, you can never really be hemmed in if you stick near the middle of the board. Were we to make the [Home] and [Wild] Action into unrestricted "teleports", I think we'd lose a lot of the Game's strategic element, and complex defensive play would become pointless if your opponent could just pop Home at no cost, or Wild beyond your defences with minimal effort. As it stands, I think the few, slightly-tricky "teleports" that exist (Stupid Compass Tricks, Striles, Walking) are enough to counter any lobster-potting. (And, even then, Striling's probably a bit too powerful, looking at it.) Finally, to quote a bit from miKi's Emergency Proposal:- >There is a >balance between the inconvenience to a Player being blocked, which can be >quite large if the block is well-timed and the absolute power of the >block. True, Blocks can be powerful if timed and placed correctly, but the fact that they're useless when timed or placed poorly, that they cost the Blocker a Token to perform, and that nine times out of ten they just mean that another route must be taken (for you can zip around the entire map to get Home, so you're only really in trouble if it's down a dead-end somewhere) is more than enough to balance it out, to these retinae. >The imbalance caused by the rules as it stands results in 10 or so >instances where one player can sit and block another in perpituity. In >the case of game 9, the imbalance in numbers would be insurmountable if >two players of a team of three could continually hemm in both players on a >two-person team. } I think that's more a case of the Team rules being broken than any flaw in the Blocking/Wilding affair, really. In a two-against- two skirmish, continual hemming would just slow the game to a halt and be pointless (and there's always the Drone, anyway...) Still. Just my two Bronze Tokens' worth. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "The information needed can be found in anagram upon the Internet, the day before." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Secret Gig" From Sun Sep 20 14:18:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2064 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Sep 1998 21:18:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1998 21:18:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA18924 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:14:22 +0100 Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18913 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:14:14 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA31073 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA14863; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:13:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199809202113.WAA14863@uks447> Date: 20 Sep 98 22:11:04 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 19-Sep-98 08:56 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Grimace wrote: > Oh, yes, giving Dunx a red token as well. I've taken one away from > my own red token totals as I imagine it stayed there from the foul > Shunt move. Thanks. Much appreciated. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) Mon Sep 21 01:51:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13125 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Sep 1998 08:51:31 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1998 08:51:31 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA32128 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:49:30 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA32125 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:49:26 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA12543; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:54:04 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:57:38 +0100 Message-Id: <98092109573860@w...> From: kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: unfair blocking X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) It occurs to me that if we're playing a team game then miKi's team'mates opught ot come to the rescue and shunt Kevan out of the way (or at least scare him off with their threatening approaches). It is a *team* game after all. dave From Kevan Davis Mon Sep 21 02:27:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Emergency Proposal 027 (Swings and Roundabouts) has failed with one FOR Vote and two AGAINST; the reception of three Votes means that we don't need to wait around for the full twenty-four hours to elapse. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I was tired again, I tried again and now my heart is full, now my heart is full, and I just can't explain so I won't even try to." -- Morrissey, "Now My Heart Is Full" From Mon Sep 21 03:30:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7916 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Sep 1998 10:30:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1998 10:30:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01716 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:29:43 +0100 Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01712 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:29:30 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA05446 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 03:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA23166; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:29:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199809211029.LAA23166@uks447> Date: 21 Sep 98 09:59:41 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Emergency Proposal 027 X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 19-Sep-98 17:30 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I vote FOR, not particularly because I feel the game is unbalanced as it is, but because I think the LU traversal interpretation seems counter- intuitive. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Mon Sep 21 03:58:22 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15046 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Sep 1998 10:58:21 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1998 10:58:21 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02323 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:57:41 +0100 Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02318 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:57:37 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA02847 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 03:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA18933; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:57:31 +0100 Message-Id: <199809211057.LAA18933@uks447> Date: 21 Sep 98 11:50:23 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Emergency Proposal 027 - Fails X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 21-Sep-98 10:26 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Emergency Proposal 027 (Swings and Roundabouts) has failed with one FOR >Vote and two AGAINST; the reception of three Votes means that we don't >need to wait around for the full twenty-four hours to elapse. This doesn't seem right - I realise that the 'three votes closes voting' clause is there to speed things up, but it's also open to abuse. It also effectively means that only the first three votes cast are counted. I'm not crying foul in this instance, since it is quite clear what the rules say, but I think the rules are wrong. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Mon Sep 21 04:16:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Emergency Proposal 027 (Swings and Roundabouts) has failed with one FOR >>Vote and two AGAINST; the reception of three Votes means that we don't >>need to wait around for the full twenty-four hours to elapse. > >This doesn't seem right - I realise that the 'three votes closes voting' >clause is there to speed things up, but it's also open to abuse. It also >effectively means that only the first three votes cast are counted. It's the trade-off, I suppose - you can either get a quick result or one that fairly represents everyone's thoughts, but rarely both. Perhaps it would work better as "after at least twenty-four hours have elapsed and at least three Players have Voted", though. It's just the fear of having an urgent Eprop raised and only having two Players bothering to Vote, really. For the record, though, I received a total of 2 FOR Votes and 3 AGAINST. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "To make myself appear less of a soft target to any marauding gangs, I think I spat a few times." -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "Cookie the Clown" From kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) Mon Sep 21 05:37:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15990 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Sep 1998 12:37:28 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1998 12:37:28 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04614 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:36:43 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04611 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:36:39 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA15309; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:41:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:29:47 +0100 Message-Id: <98092113294790@w...> From: kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: emergency voting X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >After twenty-four hours have elapsed (excluding weekends) or after at least >three Players have Voted, I read this as meaning 'whichever occurs later' (ie the voting period for the EP is 24 hours unless there are fewer than 3 votes at the end of that time), but of course, it doesn't say that in the rule, so I had no good reason to make that assumption and Kevan's posting of the voting results for EP 27 shows that e doesn't read it that way. I think, however, that ought to be the case. Another thing that has struck me is the lack of consistency with proposal and voting protocol -- authors of emergency propoosals are identified when they are distributed, but under the new voting system it seems that voters aren't to be identified (they were under the previous system, if you recall). This is exactly the reverse of the protocol for regular proposals, where the authors of proposals are not identified until results are published, and voters are identified. I know the business of proposal author identity is a much-discussed old chestnut, but it is not one that is governed by any rules. Perhaps it's about time that it was. dave From Mon Sep 21 05:54:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21746 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Sep 1998 12:54:24 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1998 12:54:24 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04960 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:53:12 +0100 Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04957 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:53:04 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA26849 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA04691; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:52:54 +0100 Message-Id: <199809211252.NAA04691@uks447> Date: 21 Sep 98 13:11:13 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 17-Sep-98 12:32 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 3 | 2 0 2 0 3 0 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 3 0 0 0 1 0 | | Grimace | | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1400 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (C) | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass { Comment: I played my Move at about 1230 on Thursday, so time is most definitely up. If that seems a little merciless, to my mind that is entirely in spirit of Ruttsborough. Game Time advanced. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Elusive Mon Sep 21 08:43:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 5 | 6 0 0 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 4 0 5 2 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 7 1 1 0 1 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 4 | 4 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 8 3 4 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 3 0 1 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 4 | 5 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | 1 0 2 0 4 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 0800 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | Drone Stick | | dave | Hat (T,V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (V,T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Rotherhithe | Bu | Angel | Bu | | Euston | Susp Package | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit. -1 Bronze for Chocolate bar +1 Black for same line Collected groovy terminus hat. } -- elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "The moment that I step outside, so many reasons for me to run and hide." -- No Doubt, "Just a Girl" From Mon Sep 21 19:04:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 3 | 2 0 0 0 3 0 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 3 0 0 0 1 0 | | Grimace | | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1500 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (C) | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (C) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] { Comment: Twinge. 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 5 | 6 0 0 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 4 0 5 2 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 7 1 1 0 1 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 4 | 4 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 8 3 4 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 3 0 1 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 4 | 5 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 2 | 1 1 2 0 1 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 0900 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | Drone Stick | | dave | Hat (T,V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Rotherhithe | Bu | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] { Comment: My first actual Move of the Game! Hurrah! 10 mins (LV tweak) 10 mins +1 Bk (Move on same Line) 20 mins -2 Re (Detonation - on Bermondsey and Canning Town) 5 mins +1 Bu (Token Claim) 5 mins -1 Bk (Token Drop) 10 mins -1 Re (Hat Knocking - on Southwark) ------- 60 mins Game Time advanced in the usual way } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 22 09:23:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 22: Voting Results for Week 21 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 487 Checked Flag 3 1 - 3 Amends 2.8.4, Enacts 2.8.6 488 Quorum, Schmorum 3 1 - 3 Amends 0.5.4 489 Pointless Crusade Ahoy 2 1 1 3 Enacts 1.4.25, Amends 1.7.15 490 Token Cascades 3 - 1 3 Amends 1.7.15, Enacts 1.7.36/37 491 The Sensible Slope 4 - - 3 Amends 1.6.2 492 'Towing the Line' Gag Here 1 - 3 3 Fails 493 Guiness is good for you 2 - 2 3 Fails 494 Now hands that do dishes... 3 - 1 3 Amends 1.7.2, 1.6.3 495 My Mate Marmite 4 - - 3 Amends 2.8.1/3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 487 (Kevan) - FOR - - - FOR PAS FOR - - 488 (Kevan) - FOR - - - FOR PAS FOR - - 489 (Kevan) - FOR - - - FOR PAS AGA - - 490 (Grimace) - AGA - - - FOR FOR FOR - - 491 (Grimace) - FOR - - - FOR FOR FOR - - 492 (Grimace) - AGA - - - AGA FOR AGA - - 493 (dave) - FOR - - - AGA AGA FOR - - 494 (dave) - FOR - - - FOR FOR AGA - - 495 (dave) - FOR - - - FOR FOR FOR - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 9 11 6 0 29 15 25 9 3 0 Halved: 4 5 3 7 12 4 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +9 +0 +8 +0 +8 +0 +0 AGA Votes: -3 -0 -4 I I -0 -1 -0 -0 I Decisiveness: +0 +3 +0 n n +3 +3 +3 +0 n Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 a a -0 -0 -0 -0 a c c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 t t +0 +0 +1 +0 t EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 i i -0 -0 -2 -0 i Finger/Pulse: +0 +0 +0 v v +5 +0 +0 +0 v e e e Award Ceremony: +6 +0 +3 +0 +3 +0 +0 [a] ---------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +12 +3 +7 +8 +13 +2 +0 Final Kudos: 16 8 10 0 29 15 25 6 1 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 1 0 2 3 0 0 0 0 1 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - Token Cascades (Grimace) IMCS Clarity Award - Hands That Do Dishes (dave) CAMREC Cleanup Award - My Mate Marmite (dave) Mrs Trellis Award - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 22 09:23:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Twenty-Two ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 496 - Tournament Play [Special Ruleset] { Comments : I think it was Grimace who made a passing comment about Tournament play, in some private email many months ago - this is an attempt at introducing such a thing. I expect we can probably manage to fit the 1998 Tournament in quite neatly before January... Grief knows what this approach to Tournament play is called; I had considered an "everyone play three Games against random people and calculate the Winner on a points basis", but I think this "quarter-final/semi-final/final" approach should be quicker, and rather more dramatic. } 1. Tournaments [Enactment] A Tournament consists of a number of Rounds, each containing a number of two-Player Games. When a Tournament is declared, at least four Players must sign up to it before it may commence, and it should not commence until all Active Players have indicated whether or not they wish to partake. When a Tournament commences, all Players signed up to it are considered to be Competing Players for that Tournament. The first Round then commences. 2. Doing the Rounds [Enactment] When a Round commences, the Speaker randomly pairs up all Competing Players in that Tournament. If there are an odd number of Competing Players, the remaining Player is considered to have automatically passed that Round. For each pair of Competing Players, a new Game is started. All Games within a single Tournament shall be of the form "", where "" is the same for all Games of the Tournament, and "" is a unique identifier. When a Game is finished, its Loser ceases to be a Competing Player. When all Games in a Round are finished, a new Round begins. If, after a Round, only one Competing Player remains, that Player is considered to have Won the Tournament. 3. Silence on the Floor [Enactment] To avoid excess traffic on the mailing list, all Tournament Games other then the Final (the Game played when only two Competing Players are left) should be played over private email. Where a Turn is Buzzed and judgment is required, it should be brought to the attention of the Speaker, and a Referee shall be selected as normal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 497 - Give Up Completely, Just Like That [Multiple] Repeal 1.7.32 (No Smoking) and remove the "[Smoking Cigar]" Action from Rule 1.7.16. { Comments : I'd quite forgotten about this... Cigars were a one-off present from dave some months ago; although they had a bit of self- repealing for when all the Cigars were gone, a few drabs were left. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 498 - Mob Injustice [Amendment] In Rule 2.6.1 (Team Games), reword the final paragraph from:- "Team Games require a minimum of five players, including the Drone, before play may commence." to:- "A Team Game may only commence if each Team has an equal number of Players and if there are at least five Players in the Game (including the Drone). This may be overruled if all Players in the Game agree to the its commencing." { Comments : Team Games would now only begin if all Teams had the same number of Players, or if everyone agreed to unbalanced Teams. (A 'PaulWay vs. The World' Game, or what have you.) } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 499 - Token Cascade Rethink [Multiple] 1. That zappy thing from 'Men In Black' [Repeals] If proposal 490 (Token Cascades) passed, repeal any rules and remove any actions enacted by it. 2. Token Cascade actions [Actions] Pre-move action: [Token Cascade] : 15 mins : -4 Re/Bu/Bk Post-move action: [Cascade Kill] : 10 mins : -2 Re Post-move action: [Cascade Steal] : 10 mins : -3 Re 3. Token Cascading [Enactment] A Player may perform a [Token Cascade] action, and become the focus of a Token Cascade, if all the following are true: * Eir piece is situated on or inside the Circle Line. * E owns no tokens of one (or more) plastic token colour(s). * There is no Token Cascade currently in effect. While a Cascade is in effect, each player must transfer X plastic tokens to the Actioning Player, where X is the number of piece moves made since the [Token Cascade] action was played. This transfer takes place at the beginning of every player's turn, before any pre-move actions are made. The current focus Player of the Cascade is not required to make such a transfer. If a Player has insufficient tokens to make this transfer, e must instead choose the colour of plastic tokens e owns most of - if multiple colours qualify, e must choose between them - and transfer all such tokens to the Cascade focus Player. The Cascade immediately ends. 4. Stealing and Killing Cascades [Enactment] A Player may steal a Token Cascade, in order to focus the benefits of the Cascade onto emself, and may kill the Cascade to end it completely. Both these actions may only be played if a Cascade is already in effect. If a Player plays a [Cascade Steal] action, that Player becomes the focus of the current Token Cascade. If a Player plays a [Cascade Kill] action, the Cascade immediately ends. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 500 - Peg Doubt [Multiple] [Enactment: Peg Leg] A Station may be Pegged. A Pegged Station may be passed through during a Turn, but its contents may not change. Viz: * no Piece may rest at a Pegged Station. Hence a Pegged Station may not be used as the destination of a Move, Straddle, Shunt, Wild, or any other Action which modifies the position of any Piece where that is final destination of the Piece * no Possessions, Game objects, or artefacts may be placed on or removed from Pegged Stations A Pegged Station may freely (or at least as freely as other Rules allow) be passed through, used as the jump off point for a Straddle, Shunted past, Blocked, or otherwise used as the subject of an act which does not leave a Piece or other Game object resting at it. A Player may Peg a Station by playing the Neutral Action [Pegging ] on any Station which eir Piece starts at, passes through, or is adjacent to at the end of eir Move provided that the Station is unoccupied. A Station is Unpegged by the Neutral Action [Unpegging ] which may be played on any Pegged Station which the Actioning Player's Piece passes through or is adjacent to at the end of eir Move. { Comment: Pegging is intended to disable a Station without closing the Line Segment it is on, acting as a kind of inverse Maelberg Variance. The final bullet point is intended to cover in general terms all Token Stack manipulation, Shunting of Stacks and Packages, dropping of Railcards (which obviously isn't germane any more but would have been covered) and anything else we come up with in the future. } [Action: Pegging] Name: Pegging Type: Neutral Text: [Pegging ] Duration: 10 minutes Cost: 1 Bu [Action: Unpegging] Name: Unpegging Type: Neutral Text: [Unegging ] Duration: 10 minutes Cost: 1 Bk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 501 - Very Witty, Wild [Multiple] [Repeal: Born Free] Repeal Rule 1.11.1 (Born to be Wild). { Comment: The discussion about how Wilding works (ie teleport v LU traversal) made me think about just how much Wilding has been done recently and, more to the point, how it appears to have been replaced conceptually by other things: Stupid Compass Tricks, Strile, even Straddle. Fundamentally, Wild is obsolete and should be removed. It's primary benefit to the Player, that of circumventing defences, has been declared moot (not much use if a Block will stop it). Wilding has never been a particularly tactically rich Action anyway, simply because whatever Wild Station you want to go to can be forced off the bottom of the list by other Players, a spoiling Action which takes no skill. The rest of this Proposal deals with the fallout from the above Repeal. Note that this includes the immediate repeal of two as yet unused Rules, but I still don't think that their presence alone makes Wild as a whole more relevant. } [Repeal: He Looks Pretty Well Spung to Me Already] Repeal Rule 1.7.35 (Spanging Offence). [Amendment: Angry Young Game] Amend Rule 1.1.2 (A New Game) to Remove the Wild bullet item. [Amendment: Wild? I Was Livid!] Amend Rule 1.2.0 (The Game State Document) such that its third paragraph reads as follows: "The GSD shall also include the following information in an appropriate format: the Game's Knip Status (see Rule 1.8.4) and Bridges Status (1.8.3); Game Time; Token Stacks; Courier Pick-up and Destination Stations." [Amendment: Wild Away the Time] Amend Rule 1.5.0 (Valid Moves) to remove the Wild bullet point from section 3. [Amendment: Sweeping Majestically Across the Plains] Amend Rule 1.7.2 (Pre-Move Actions) to remove the [Wild] Action. [Amendment: Bang! Bang! You're Prince Philip's Lunch] Amend Rule 1.7.15 (Post-Move Actions) to remove the [ Wild] and [Spanging ] Actions. [Amendment: The Importance of Just Being] Amend Rule 1.7.10 (Walk the Walk) such that its last paragraph reads as follows: "The Walking Action is considered to occur after all other Actions, but may not be combined with other Actions which either modify the Player's position (eg Straddle) or which are aggressive." [Repeal: Hitting the Buffers] Repeal Rule 2.2.1 (End of the Line). { Comment: this is probably the saddest thing, since it hasn't been tried out, but without Wild it's meaningless. } [Amendment: Pass the Water Wings] Amend Rule 2.2.2 (You Can't Swim) to read as follows: "When a Player is in Spoon, e may not cross the River Thames by any means other than [Home] or [Strile] moves, unless eir move contains the action [Unspoon] and no other Actions other than adjustment of LV or exchanging [Gold to Silver, Bronze or Blue] or [Silver to Bronze] Tokens." { Comment: Replacing Wild with Strile. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 502 - Wait Your Turn [Amendment] Amend Rule 0.7.1 (Emergency Proposals) so that its third paragraph reads as follows: "After twenty-four hours have elapsed (excluding weekends), the Votes are tallied for the Emergency Proposal. The Eprop is treated as a normal Proposal for the purposes of determining enactment, with the exception that Quorum is ignored." Add the following paragraph at the end: "When announcing the results of voting on the Emergrncy Proposal, the Speaker must distribute a record of how the votes were cast." { Comment: Removing the 'first three votes' clause, effectively making an EP just a faster Proposal without Quorum. As has been said before, the three votes clause effectively disenfranchises all but the first three voters and could easily be abused (not that such abuse is likely, merely that it would not be difficult to perpetrate). The voting results distribution is intended to make EPs equivalent to normal Proposals in their transparency, not merely to make more work for the Speaker! } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 503 - I Toff my Hat at you, Sir! [Multiple] 1. Toffing action [Action] Neutral Action: [Toffing with ] 10 mins -3 Re 2. How to Toff [Enactment] A Player may Toff another Player that is in the same Zone and Quadrant by performing the [Toffing with ] Action, where is the Player being Toffed and is a Hat that the Toffing Player owns. The Toffing Player then takes a Gold Token, or its equivalent under any combination of the Token Conversion Actions enumerated under rule 1.17.21, such that the denomination of the tokens is the lowest possible denomination. For instance, four bronze would be taken if available, but if the Toffed Player had two bronze and one gold, then the gold would be taken. The Hat used is destroyed at the end of the Player's Turn. Example: Barry has one gold, two silver and three bronze tokens. Barry : Highbury and Islington (VC) Willie: Kentish Town (NT) [Toffing Barry with BR Hat] {Comments: Willie gets two silver tokens from Barry as a result of the Toff. } {Changing the main source of objection, the agreement of the players, to be a simple grab, but still making it such that gold can't be taken if silver is available, and so forth.} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 504 - Beaking [Multiple] 1. One for the birds [Action] Neutral Action [Beaking ] 20mins -2Re, -1Bu 2. Birds of a feather... [Enactment] A Player may Beak another Player by performing the [Beaking ] Action, where is the player being Beaked. The Beaked Player and the Beaking Player must both be at different Park stations on the same Line. The Beaking Player may then take one Small item from the Beaked Player's Luggage, or up to three Blue Tokens from the Beaked Player (providing the Beaked Player has at least this number of Blue Tokens). {Adding that it must be a Small item, which prevents Parcel Beaking, and changing the 'and' to an 'or' to make it nicer to the player being Beaked.} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 505 - More renumbering! Renumber Section 1.4 {Comments: 1.4.1 - 1.4.19 - 1.4.20 - 1.4.18 - how is a player to find what rule e wants?!} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 506 - Mentor Centre [Multiple] { Comment: Cheeky proposal here. I nicked this one from Garden Nomic where I'd also proposed it, as it seems like a damn fine idea. It is probably much more useful here as the ruleset is quite large indeed. } 1. Welcome to the Underground [Enactment] Upon joining Mornington Nomic, any new player may choose to have a Mentor assigned to assist em with the Nomic for as long as they feel necessary to get aquainted with the game. The Mentor will introduce em to the concept of Nomics as well as helping em to understand the existing Mornington Nomic ruleset and procedures. When a Mentor is requested, one will be assigned at random by the Speaker from the pool of available Mentors unless a specific Mentor is requested by the new player. If no Mentors are available, the Speaker will fill the roll of Mentor until one becomes available. Upon enactment of this rule, any existing Player who feels e could benefit from a Mentor may email the Speaker with eir request and one will be provided for em. This paragraph will then remove itself from the ruleset. 2. We want YOU! [Enactment] Any Mornington Nomic Player who feels e is experienced enough to help new players with the learning of the Nomic rules and procedures may appeal to the Speaker to become a Mentor. The Speaker will then decide if e is veteran enough to take on the position and assuming e is successful, e will be added to the Mentor list which will be maintained on the Mornington Nomic web site by the Speaker. If at any time a Mentor feels e cannot fulfill eir role, e may mail the Speaker and request removal from the list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 507 - Award of the State [Multiple] 1. Ye Old Trout and Owl [Amendment] Move Rule 0.4.14 - (Fish and Fowl) to Section 0.9 (Kudos) and amend to read:- Each Nomic Week, on completion of Voting, the Speaker may give out discretionary bonus Kudos Awards, as specified by this Rule. Each Award may be made no more than once per Nomic Week, though if the Speaker feels that no Player or Proposal deserves a particular Award in any given Nomic Week, e may decline to award it that Week. For Proposal Awards, no Player may receive more than one Award for each Proposal. The Award counts towards the Kudos score for that Nomic Week of the Player. The Speaker may not give emself any Awards. However, each week the Speaker shall receive the 'For E's a Jolly Good Fellow' Award, a bonus +3 Kudos points, for doing a grand job. The Awards are as follows: * Ruttsborough Award for Grandiosity Awarded for Proposals that are particularly ambitious in scope and scale. Each vote FOR this Proposal shall score +1 Kudos points for the Proposer. * IMCS Clarity Award Awarded to Proposals that are particularly clear and concise. The Proposal need not be short, but its wording must be particularly clear and unambiguious. The Proposer shall receive a bonus +3 Kudos points. * CAMREC Cleanup Award Awarded to Proposals that make particularly pertinent or perspicacious Amendments to the ruleset, e.g. fixing a loophole or a broken Rule. The Proposer shall receive a bonus +3 Kudos points. * Mrs Trellis Award for Entertainment Awarded to Proposals that are particularly entertaining, amusing or just plain daft; Proposals that add to the fun of playing Mornington Nomic. The Proposer shall receive a bonus +4 Kudos points. 2. Well Played, Mate [Amendment] To the Rule (Fish and Fowl), append the following Awards:- * Who's a Clever Bear? Award Awarded to a Player who has played a particularly clever or cheeky move sequence in the past Week. The Player shall receive a bonus +3 Kudos points. * Down-Underground Award Awarded to PaulWay for each first attempt, non-buzzed move he makes each Week. Any Pass or Forced Pass move does not count as a valid move in this instance. PaulWay may receive a bonus +1 Kudos points for each of these valid moves in a Week. { Comments: Sorry Paul, I couldn't resist it =) At least you'll be immortalised in the Mornington Nomic ruleset now. Heh. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Tue Sep 22 10:42:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16367 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Sep 1998 17:42:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 1998 17:42:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14720 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:41:43 +0100 Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14716 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:41:34 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06184 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA24128; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:40:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199809221740.SAA24128@uks447> Date: 22 Sep 98 18:24:06 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 22: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 22-Sep-98 17:21 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Among the Week's particularly impressive Proposals lurked: >Proposal 496 - Tournament Play [Special Ruleset] What a marvellous, marvellous thing. This made me smile though... > I expect we can > probably manage to fit the 1998 Tournament in quite neatly > before January... I seem to remember that's more or less what Starbug said about the World MC Championships around the middle of last year. Fifteen months later, and the 1997 WMCC is still going on... >Proposal 499 - Token Cascade Rethink [Multiple] Better. But... >While a Cascade is in effect, each player must transfer X plastic >tokens to the Actioning Player, where X is the number of piece moves >made since the [Token Cascade] action was played. Should this say "X plastic tokens of a single colour"? I ask because otherwise the the paragraph which follows seems a mite superfluous: >If a Player has insufficient tokens to make this transfer, e must >instead choose the colour of plastic tokens e owns most of - if >multiple colours qualify, e must choose between them - and transfer >all such tokens to the Cascade focus Player. The Cascade immediately >ends. >Proposal 500 - Peg Doubt [Multiple] An amusing typo - >Text: [Unegging ] Removing the yolk of tyranny, no doubt. If I could raise a PoO to correct that please? >Proposal 503 - I Toff my Hat at you, Sir! [Multiple] Again, much better - much more public. Small factual error: > For instance, four bronze would be taken if >available... That should be *eight* bronze: 1 Go = 2 Si = 8 Br >Proposal 506 - Mentor Centre [Multiple] What a pleasant idea. > If no Mentors are available, > the Speaker will fill the roll of Mentor until one becomes available. ^^^^ Cheese and onion? Or the egg that was removed earlier? (it should be "role") -- Dunx the Pedant IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Sep 23 03:26:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25478 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Sep 1998 10:26:16 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1998 10:26:16 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02180 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:25:13 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02177 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:25:07 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p09.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.9]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA09225 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:25:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:25:00 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809231025.LAA09225@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 22: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Proposal 500 - Peg Doubt [Multiple] > >[Enactment: Peg Leg] >A Station may be Pegged. A Pegged Station may be passed through during a >Turn, but its contents may not change. Hmm. Interesting idea - I'm not sure if it'd be neater to implement it as just "the Station may not be targetted by an Action (viz. chosen as the "" for any Action involving Stations, other than Unpegging)" and ban Moves to it as well, since the current wording is a shade confusing. (I can't see how you'd ever be able to Straddle from a Pegged Station if you can't Move there and can't have a Station Pegged while you're sat there, for instance). >A Station is Unpegged by the Neutral Action [Unpegging ] which >may be played on any Pegged Station which the Actioning Player's Piece >passes through or is adjacent to at the end of eir Move. Probably a post-Move one, then, really. >[Action: Unpegging] >Cost: 1 Bk Hmm. Perhaps a tad on the cheap side. Although I suppose its very post-Moveness makes it fiddly enough for the effort to be enough of a cost. A nice idea, anyway. My only real quibble is the old "keeping track of which Stations have been Pegged" thing, since an early-Pegged Station is likely to be forgotten about. Perhaps another "word in the Token Stack" thing would be worthwhile. Minor griping, though. >Proposal 501 - Very Witty, Wild [Multiple] > >[Repeal: Born Free] >Repeal Rule 1.11.1 (Born to be Wild). But... but... Tish, Wilding has always seemed a very integral part of Mornington Crescent, a feature mentioned perhaps more than any other in the ISIHAC games. It'd be a shame to lose it without giving some form of alternative implementation, I feel. To respond to the comments, though... > Fundamentally, Wild is obsolete and should be removed. It's primary > benefit to the Player, that of circumventing defences, has been > declared moot (not much use if a Block will stop it). I'd always seen the primary benefit as "being able to get to a distant Station very quickly". That if someone's faffing about Token Running at the arse end of the DLR, while everyone else is bickering around Heathrow, it gives a handy shortcut. That it provides a swift route back into central play if you've done your deeds in distant Zones. A quick path to Bank once you've got your Hats. Less sneaky than Straddling or what have you in that you need to declare it a Turn before, so Players have a Turn to adjust, to wonder if you're bluffing or not. > Wilding has > never been a particularly tactically rich Action anyway, simply because > whatever Wild Station you want to go to can be forced off the bottom of > the list by other Players, a spoiling Action which takes no skill. Oh, I don't know - yes, if someone does an obviously Game-winning Wild, the other Players can conspire to shove it off the top of the list (which *does* take skill, in the spotting of the plan). The trick is to Wild to Stations which aren't immediately beneficial, or to somehow prevent other Players from ruining the Wild list. >[Repeal: He Looks Pretty Well Spung to Me Already] >Repeal Rule 1.7.35 (Spanging Offence). Tsk. I'd rather see this amended than blindly repealed. All in all, a very neat Wildectomy and an excellent collection of puns for the sub-Proposals, but Wild seems too integral and traditional a part of the Game to be struck out so harshly. >Proposal 502 - Wait Your Turn [Amendment] > >Amend Rule 0.7.1 (Emergency Proposals) so that its third paragraph reads >as follows: > >"After twenty-four hours have elapsed (excluding weekends), [...] Much better, yes. >Add the following paragraph at the end: > >{ Comment: > The voting results distribution is intended to make EPs equivalent to > normal Proposals in their transparency, not merely to make more work > for the Speaker! >} Indeed. As dave was saying, I think Eprops could benefit from being distributed anonymously, as an aid to impartiality. >Proposal 505 - More renumbering! > >Renumber Section 1.4 > >{Comments: 1.4.1 - 1.4.19 - 1.4.20 - 1.4.18 - how is a player to find >what rule e wants?!} I just search for the necessary word or Rule number, or use the HTML Ruleset, myself. I think most people are probably just getting their text editor to search for a Rule number, rather than wading through looking for it, aren't they? I suppose if you work from a printed Ruleset it's a bit of a pain in the arse, but I can't imagine anyone going to the bother of running off a new one each Week. And in response to Dunx's comments:- >> I expect we can >> probably manage to fit the 1998 Tournament in quite neatly >> before January... >I seem to remember that's more or less what Starbug said about the World >MC Championships around the middle of last year. Fifteen months later, >and the 1997 WMCC is still going on... Well, with a tournament of eight Players or less, it'd just mean having quarter-finals, semi-finals and a final; since two-Player games tend to be quite swift, we should easily finish before the year is out. >>While a Cascade is in effect, each player must transfer X plastic >>tokens to the Actioning Player, where X is the number of piece moves >>made since the [Token Cascade] action was played. >Should this say "X plastic tokens of a single colour"? I ask because >otherwise the the paragraph which follows seems a mite superfluous: > [...] Not really superfluous; if I lack, say, the five Plastic Tokens required at step five of the Cascade, I have to surrender all three of my Blacks. A bit odd that I don't just surrender all of my Plastic Tokens instead, but not really superfluous. >>Proposal 500 - Peg Doubt [Multiple] > >An amusing typo - >>Text: [Unegging ] >Removing the yolk of tyranny, no doubt. > >If I could raise a PoO to correct that please? Indeed. Amended. >>Proposal 503 - I Toff my Hat at you, Sir! [Multiple] >Again, much better - much more public. Still a bit too scary for me, though - that there's very little possible defence (I'd be happier if the Toffee, as it were, was required to be wearing the same Hat as that used by the Toffer), that it's potentially devastating when you consider that everything inside the Circle Line is in the same Zone and Quadrant. Tish. >Small factual error: >> For instance, four bronze would be taken if >>available... >That should be *eight* bronze: 1 Go = 2 Si = 8 Br ...and should reference Rule 1.7.21, not Rule 1.17.21. Still. >>Proposal 506 - Mentor Centre [Multiple] >What a pleasant idea. Indeed; I do rather pity anyone trying to work out the complexities of the Ruleset without a guide. >> If no Mentors are available, >> the Speaker will fill the roll of Mentor until one becomes available. > ^^^^ >Cheese and onion? Or the egg that was removed earlier? Perhaps someone's just trying to get me to make their sandwiches. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Many an ancient lord's last words had been, 'You can't kill me because I've got magic aaargh.'" -- Terry Pratchett, "Interesting Times" From Kevan Davis Wed Sep 23 03:26:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25579 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Sep 1998 10:26:34 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1998 10:26:34 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02191 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:25:30 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02187 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:25:25 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p09.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.9]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA09271 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:25:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:25:21 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809231025.LAA09271@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: RE: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 3 | 2 1 2 0 3 0 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 3 0 0 0 1 0 | | Grimace | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1500 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B) | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (C) | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (C) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (B) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | BkBk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] { Comment: Adding Grimace's two Bronzes, which Dunx seemed to overlook when initially adding em to the list, and two for myself, which vanished inexplicably during Paul's Turn. -- Ludicrum tempus fugit. -1 Black for the Line Change (to Euston) +1 Blue for the four-Line Interchange +1 Black for passing three Interchanges -0 Red for the Hat-Knock (Ruttsborough discount and all) } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Opinionated weather forecasters telling me it's going to be a miserable day. Miserable to who? I quite like a bit of drizzle, so stick to the facts." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "A Country Practice" From kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) Wed Sep 23 04:25:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10315 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Sep 1998 11:25:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1998 11:25:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03490 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:24:33 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03485 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:24:28 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA25417; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:29:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:24:15 +0100 Message-Id: <98092312241508@w...> From: kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 22: Proposals X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Indeed. As dave was saying, I think Eprops could benefit from being >distributed anonymously, as an aid to impartiality. Well, that's not quite what I was saying -- I only really meant that the protocol regarding author's identity and voting results should be the same for both emergency and regular proposals. I don't mind either way whether authors are identified or not (in fact, if I were to express a preference it would be *for* identification) just that we exercise some consistency. >I just search for the necessary word or Rule number, or use the HTML >Ruleset, myself. I think most people are probably just getting their >text editor to search for a Rule number, rather than wading through >looking for it, aren't they? I use my browser's search facility to find a key word, particularly useful if you can remember the name of the rule. >Indeed; I do rather pity anyone trying to work out the complexities >of the Ruleset without a guide. Never mind newbies, I've been playing the game for over a year and I still have trouble. dave From Kevan Davis Wed Sep 23 06:36:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28225 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Sep 1998 13:36:34 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1998 13:36:34 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06709 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:35:45 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06705 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:35:41 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p19.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.19]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA21242 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:35:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:35:37 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809231335.OAA21242@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 22: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Indeed. As dave was saying, I think Eprops could benefit from being >>distributed anonymously, as an aid to impartiality. > >Well, that's not quite what I was saying -- I only really meant that the >protocol regarding author's identity and voting results should be the same for >both emergency and regular proposals. Careless wording on my part; the impartiality was just one of my thoughts on the subject. Consistency is certainly more of an issue, though. >I don't mind either way whether authors >are identified or not (in fact, if I were to express a preference it would be >*for* identification) just that we exercise some consistency. I think identification is fairly superfluous, really - I'm sure we can all usually guess who proposed what, simply going by the writing style. I did have a small amount of fun on Thring by intentionally writing my Proposals in the style of other Players, so as not to draw attention to my scams, but in a Nomic like this it doesn't make a lot of difference. Most of us comment on all Proposals other than our own, anyway, and freely say "this was mine" at various junctures. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I will be here - oh, believe me. I will be here. Believe me." -- Morrissey, "Angel, Angel, Down We Go Together" From Wed Sep 23 08:24:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16718 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Sep 1998 15:24:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1998 15:24:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA09585 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:23:05 +0100 Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09578 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:22:52 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01774 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA10194; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:22:42 +0100 Message-Id: <199809231522.QAA10194@uks447> Date: 23 Sep 98 16:19:30 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 22: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 23-Sep-98 11:25 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Kevan commented: >>Proposal 500 - Peg Doubt [Multiple] >> >>[Enactment: Peg Leg] >>A Station may be Pegged. A Pegged Station may be passed through during a >>Turn, but its contents may not change. >Hmm. Interesting idea - I'm not sure if it'd be neater to implement it >as just "the Station may not be targetted by an Action (viz. chosen as >the "" for any Action involving Stations, other than >Unpegging)" and ban Moves to it as well, since the current wording is >a shade confusing. (I can't see how you'd ever be able to Straddle from >a Pegged Station if you can't Move there and can't have a Station Pegged >while you're sat there, for instance). >>A Station is Unpegged by the Neutral Action [Unpegging ] which >>may be played on any Pegged Station which the Actioning Player's Piece >>passes through or is adjacent to at the end of eir Move. >Probably a post-Move one, then, really. Dash it, yes. I'm still thinking in terms of Move Actions which disappeared yonks ago. >A nice idea, anyway. My only real quibble is the old "keeping track >of which Stations have been Pegged" thing, since an early-Pegged >Station is likely to be forgotten about. Perhaps another "word in >the Token Stack" thing would be worthwhile. Minor griping, though. Well, yes. But then again, no... I agree that there are limitations in the text format of the game (as opposed to having a board to hold a lot of this state information) but I don't really see that doing a quick search of the GSD for pegging references is any harder than looking at the top of the page. >>Proposal 501 - Very Witty, Wild [Multiple] >> >>[Repeal: Born Free] >>Repeal Rule 1.11.1 (Born to be Wild). >But... but... Okay, so I'm trolling slightly here. That doesn't mean that this is a frivolous Proposal, though. >Tish, Wilding has always seemed a very integral part of Mornington >Crescent, a feature mentioned perhaps more than any other in the >ISIHAC games. It'd be a shame to lose it without giving some form >of alternative implementation, I feel. To respond to the comments, >though... I can see that - tradition is very important in Mornington Crescent. However, I would cleave to my primary point which is that no Wilding has been done in MN for some time - there are no recent examples, and overall usage has been light: Game Wild Moves ---------------------- 1 1 2 0 3 3 4 3 5 0 6 1 7 0* 8 0 9 0* 10 0* * in progress Obviously there are immediate flaws in this argument: if disuse were sufficient to kill a Rule, then Striles, Tithing, Marmalade Sandwiches, and much else in the Game would have disappeared long ago. Also, that argument fails to take account of the Wilds that might have been, those which were considered but discounted, or which were hoped for but foiled. I don't doubt that the presence of Wilds has shaped the tactics used by all of us. >> Fundamentally, Wild is obsolete and should be removed. It's primary >> benefit to the Player, that of circumventing defences, has been >> declared moot (not much use if a Block will stop it). >I'd always seen the primary benefit as "being able to get to a >distant Station very quickly". That if someone's faffing about >Token Running at the arse end of the DLR, while everyone else >is bickering around Heathrow, it gives a handy shortcut. That >it provides a swift route back into central play if you've done >your deeds in distant Zones. A quick path to Bank once you've >got your Hats. Less sneaky than Straddling or what have you in >that you need to declare it a Turn before, so Players have a >Turn to adjust, to wonder if you're bluffing or not. Hmm. I hadn't really seen that role for it. >> Wilding has >> never been a particularly tactically rich Action anyway, simply because >> whatever Wild Station you want to go to can be forced off the bottom of >> the list by other Players, a spoiling Action which takes no skill. >Oh, I don't know - yes, if someone does an obviously Game-winning >Wild, the other Players can conspire to shove it off the top of >the list (which *does* take skill, in the spotting of the plan). >The trick is to Wild to Stations which aren't immediately >beneficial, or to somehow prevent other Players from ruining the >Wild list. I suppose what I mean by 'tactically rich' is capable of being used with finesse... I agree that spotting a stratagem employing Wild takes skill, but there isn't any need to do so - a trivial defense against Wild strategies is for Players to specify a new Wild Station each Turn. To my mind, that negates any aubtlety which might be employed. I suppose what would be needed is to make Wild declaration harder, or to allow for some form of fixative to ensure a Wild Station hangs around for a decent interval. Hmm. >>[Repeal: He Looks Pretty Well Spung to Me Already] >>Repeal Rule 1.7.35 (Spanging Offence). >Tsk. I'd rather see this amended than blindly repealed. Fair comment. I think the name alone should ensure its preservation. >All in all, a very neat Wildectomy and an excellent collection of puns >for the sub-Proposals, but Wild seems too integral and traditional a >part of the Game to be struck out so harshly. I did consider merely moving the concept of Wild into Chalk Farm '84 (since that Special Ruleset contains two variant Rules which use Wild) but decided against it since I thought that was a rather weak approach. All the same, thanks for acknowledging the good points of a Proposal you dislike. I'll endeavour to show the same tolerance. I guess I've talked myself out of this Proposal - Wild still has a role to play, albeit a greatly reduced one. I'll step away from the edge now. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Elusive Thu Sep 24 04:17:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6440 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Sep 1998 11:17:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1998 11:17:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02077 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:16:20 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02074 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:16:14 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p03.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.3]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA29646 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:16:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:16:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809241116.MAA29646@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" From: Elusive Subject: MN: RE: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 3 | 2 1 2 0 3 0 | | Julie | Clapham South | 3 | 3 0 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 3 0 0 0 1 0 | | Grimace | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1600 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Hat (B) | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (C) | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (C) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | BkBk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] { Comment: Ludicrum tempus fugit. Taken Paul's BR hat away as Mr. Davis forgot to do so and terminated Mr. Davis' zone pass with extreme prejudice as he didn't even buy it! Cheeky bear. +1 Black for Same Line +1 Bronze for Zone 2 Pass +1 Red for Moving to an Interchange with exactly two lines -0 Red for Knocking-off hat courtesy of the Ruttborough Ruleset. } -- elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "The moment that I step outside, so many reasons for me to run and hide." -- No Doubt, "Just a Girl" From Thu Sep 24 06:39:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26822 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Sep 1998 13:39:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1998 13:39:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05252 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:37:34 +0100 Received: from inet16.us.oracle.com (inet16.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.100]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05249 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:37:29 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA24960 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA03161; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:37:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199809241337.OAA03161@uks447> Date: 24 Sep 98 14:32:02 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: RE: Game 10 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 24-Sep-98 12:16 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 3 | 2 1 2 0 3 0 | | Julie | Clapham South | 3 | 3 0 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 1 | 4 0 1 0 1 0 | | Grimace | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1700 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | BkBk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] { Comment: Suddenly holding Hats on becomes more important when Hat knocking is free... 10 mins (accelerating) 10 mins +1 Bk (same line Move) +1 Br (Zone Pass) 10 mins (gathering Hat) 20 mins (hanging on to said headgear) 10 mins -0 Re (removing millinery from another) ------- 60 mins Game Time advanced actually removing the Hats which have been Knocked so far, as well as Julie's newly Knocked Compass Hat } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Fri Sep 25 03:34:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17378 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Sep 1998 10:34:18 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 10:34:18 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA31649 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:33:25 +0100 Received: from absolute.foobar.net (absolute.foobar.net [194.164.91.8]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA31645 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:33:20 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by absolute.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00549 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:33:27 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA32216 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:33:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:33:11 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 0 | 6 0 0 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 4 0 5 2 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 7 1 1 0 1 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 4 | 4 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 8 3 4 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 3 0 1 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 4 | 5 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 2 | 1 1 2 0 1 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 0900 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | Drone Stick | | dave | Hat (T,V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Rotherhithe | Bu | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : Forced Pass { Comment: Dunx's move stamped: Date: 22 Sep 98 09:33:32 +0100 } From Richard Brockie Fri Sep 25 04:10:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27810 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Sep 1998 11:09:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 11:09:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA32504 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:09:22 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA32498 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:09:17 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA28933 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:09:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:09:15 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 0 | 6 0 0 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 3 1 6 2 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 7 1 1 0 1 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 4 | 4 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 8 3 4 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 3 0 1 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 4 | 5 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 2 | 1 1 2 0 1 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1000 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | Drone Stick | | dave | Hat (T,V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | Re | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : Forced Pass miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] { Comment: -1 Bk for changing line (destroyed), +1 Br for Zone pass, +1 Bu from Rotherhithe, -1 Re on Bethnal Green, Game time. } From Kevan Davis Fri Sep 25 07:15:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2245 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Sep 1998 14:15:33 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 14:15:33 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03978 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:14:31 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03971 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:14:25 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p24.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.24]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA27803 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:14:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:14:22 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809251414.PAA27803@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 Buzz Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] > [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] > [...] > miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] > [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Er, Wapping's on Fire, and is thus Blocked for a Turn. I quote that whole "Wilding past Blocks" thing (which is how the Rules word it, so a sympathetic Referee won't make any difference, if such is your plan) and Buzz my Buzzer at you, sir. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "And yea, though I walk in the road to get past, I'm not in the least afraid." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "He Who Would Valium Take" From Richard Brockie Fri Sep 25 07:28:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7843 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Sep 1998 14:28:01 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 14:28:01 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04274 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:26:05 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04271 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:26:01 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA26358 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:26:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:26:00 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 Buzz In-Reply-To: <199809251414.PAA27803@c...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > > Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] > > [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] > > [...] > > miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] > > [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] > > Er, Wapping's on Fire, and is thus Blocked for a Turn. I quote that > whole "Wilding past Blocks" thing (which is how the Rules word it, so > a sympathetic Referee won't make any difference, if such is your > plan) and Buzz my Buzzer at you, sir. That is not my plan, sir! Rule 1.9.2 states that: "If a Fire is spotted at a Station, that Station is Blocked for one Turn, and becomes Lightly Damaged." The definition of a Turn is in 1.3.4. Using this definition, it is clear that Wapping becomes only lightly damaged after dave's turn. --- miKi From Kevan Davis Fri Sep 25 10:04:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23014 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Sep 1998 17:04:34 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 17:04:34 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA07962 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:03:36 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07959 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:03:31 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p49.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.49]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA09076 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:03:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:03:28 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809251703.SAA09076@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 Buzz Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> Er, Wapping's on Fire, and is thus Blocked for a Turn. I quote that >> whole "Wilding past Blocks" thing (which is how the Rules word it, so >> a sympathetic Referee won't make any difference, if such is your >> plan) and Buzz my Buzzer at you, sir. > >That is not my plan, sir! Sorry to jump to the conclusion; in the absence of any commented explanation for getting past the Fire (which I thought we were all treating as if it Blocked for one Round), I found it hard to believe you were genuinely disregarding all the debate we'd had on the matter. >Rule 1.9.2 states that: > >"If a Fire is spotted at a Station, that Station is Blocked for one Turn, >and becomes Lightly Damaged." > >The definition of a Turn is in 1.3.4. Using this definition, it is >clear that Wapping becomes only lightly damaged after dave's turn. [laughs] Ah. Fair enough. Looking back, the original, original wording of the Fires Rule included the sentence:- "- the Station is Blocked for one turn (that is for one round of Moves, in the same way as a standard Block) whilst the Lines are cleared." Careless summarising, really. My fault as well, I suspect. Well done for spotting it when I didn't, sir. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Letter to your mother says you're doing everything you can, and I'm glad she won't get the joke." -- The Whitlams, "Laugh in their Faces" From Richard Brockie Fri Sep 25 10:44:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12067 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Sep 1998 17:44:24 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 17:44:24 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA08886 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:43:32 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08883 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:43:26 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA10634 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:43:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:43:24 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 Buzz In-Reply-To: <199809251703.SAA09076@c...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > >> Er, Wapping's on Fire, and is thus Blocked for a Turn. I quote that > >> whole "Wilding past Blocks" thing (which is how the Rules word it, so > >> a sympathetic Referee won't make any difference, if such is your > >> plan) and Buzz my Buzzer at you, sir. > > > >That is not my plan, sir! > > Sorry to jump to the conclusion; in the absence of any commented > explanation for getting past the Fire (which I thought we were all > treating as if it Blocked for one Round), I found it hard to > believe you were genuinely disregarding all the debate we'd had > on the matter. In retrospect, perhaps I should have put in an explanation, but I did say in the Eprop that I would abide by the ruling. Sorry if you were in danger of you blowing a safety valve. I can just imaging your reaction... > >Rule 1.9.2 states that: > > > >"If a Fire is spotted at a Station, that Station is Blocked for one Turn, > >and becomes Lightly Damaged." > > > >The definition of a Turn is in 1.3.4. Using this definition, it is > >clear that Wapping becomes only lightly damaged after dave's turn. > > [laughs] Ah. Fair enough. Looking back, the original, original > wording of the Fires Rule included the sentence:- > > "- the Station is Blocked for one turn (that is for one round of Moves, > in the same way as a standard Block) whilst the Lines are cleared." > > Careless summarising, really. My fault as well, I suspect. Well > done for spotting it when I didn't, sir. Shucks, *blush*, etc... --- miKi From Sun Sep 27 17:11:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: RE: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:08:33 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 5 | 6 0 0 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 3 | 4 0 5 2 5 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 7 1 1 0 1 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 4 | 4 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 8 3 4 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 3 0 1 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 4 | 5 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 2 | 1 1 2 0 1 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 0900 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 1-3 Pass,Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T) | | Kevan | Drone Stick | | dave | Hat (T,V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Rotherhithe | Bu | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) {Comments: Please accept my turn - unfortunately you hit me on an afternoon that I was extremely busy, followed by an equally packed weekend. I apologise for the lateness of my move and hope you can find it in your heart to allow play to continue with it included. 10mins : LV+1 10mins +1Bk : Same line move +1Br : Zone pass (bought last turn - possessions updated) *sigh* } From Graeme Jefferis Mon Sep 28 04:47:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30699 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Sep 1998 11:47:11 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 1998 11:47:11 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA14654 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:46:21 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14651 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:46:12 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18845 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:53:27 GMT Received: from komodo.cms.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@k... [146.227.102.136]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id MAA07687 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:45:48 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by komodo.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id MAA11513 for l-nomic@f...; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:45:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:45:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809281145.MAA11513@k...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Back again, again, again. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: KIwPVPguyVCm35SiPeCyoQ== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Hello folks... well, I'm back once more with yet another in my ridiculous succession of email addresses. This one ought to be staticish for a few years yet. -Graeme. From Tue Sep 29 08:32:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30698 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Sep 1998 15:32:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 1998 15:32:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19538 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:31:22 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19527 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:31:06 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA23722 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:31:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 29 Sep 1998 15:31:04 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA05350; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:31:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199809291531.QAA05350@uks447> Date: 29 Sep 98 16:25:47 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 24-Sep-98 13:32 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 3 | 2 1 2 0 3 0 | | Julie | Clapham South | 3 | 3 0 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 1 | 4 0 1 0 1 0 | | Grimace | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 2 0 0 0 2 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1800 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | BkBk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass { Comment: Another Forced Pass for Grimace... The hands of Game Time tick forward once more. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Sep 29 08:35:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31960 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Sep 1998 15:35:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 1998 15:35:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19618 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:34:47 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19615 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:34:42 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA24275 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:34:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 29 Sep 1998 15:34:40 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA07801; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:34:38 +0100 Message-Id: <199809291534.QAA07801@uks447> Date: 29 Sep 98 16:29:13 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Whither Game 9? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) So - Game 9, then. I suppose it depends on whether we're accepting PaulWay's Move. If we are (and I'm inclined to, but then e's on my team so I suppose I would be) then we await miKi's Move (presumably the same thing). If we are rejecting PaulWay's Move in a heartlessly cruel manner then we're waiting for Kevan to play. Either way, we're waiting... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Tue Sep 29 08:47:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5250 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Sep 1998 15:47:55 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 1998 15:47:55 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19951 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:47:15 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19948 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:47:11 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA26753 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:47:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:47:10 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Whither Game 9? In-Reply-To: <199809291534.QAA07801@uks447> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On 29 Sep 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > So - Game 9, then. > > I suppose it depends on whether we're accepting PaulWay's Move. > > If we are (and I'm inclined to, but then e's on my team so I suppose I > would be) then we await miKi's Move (presumably the same thing). Well, as the person who made the "Forced Pass" for PaulWay, I'll say, "just this once". My move would be the same. However, we would probably be wise waiting until a majority of pwople have indicated one way or t'other before continuing... --- miKi From Tue Sep 29 09:22:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22055 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Sep 1998 16:22:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 1998 16:22:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21010 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:21:44 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21007 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:21:40 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA00460 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:21:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 29 Sep 1998 16:21:39 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA07856; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:21:36 +0100 Message-Id: <199809291621.RAA07856@uks447> Date: 29 Sep 98 17:19:09 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Whither Game 9? X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 29-Sep-98 15:47 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) miKi wrote: >On 29 Sep 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: >> So - Game 9, then. >> >> I suppose it depends on whether we're accepting PaulWay's Move. >> >> If we are (and I'm inclined to, but then e's on my team so I suppose I >> would be) then we await miKi's Move (presumably the same thing). >Well, as the person who made the "Forced Pass" for PaulWay, I'll say, >"just this once". My move would be the same. However, we would probably be >wise waiting until a majority of pwople have indicated one way or t'other >before continuing... Agreed. How like to the wisdom of Solomon... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) Tue Sep 29 10:03:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8241 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Sep 1998 17:03:16 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 1998 17:03:16 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22257 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:02:33 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22251 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:02:27 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA07937; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:07:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:54:34 +0100 Message-Id: <98092917543438@w...> From: kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Whither Game 9? X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >So - Game 9, then. > >I suppose it depends on whether we're accepting PaulWay's Move. Well, I was just waiting for *someone* to do *something* -- no-one made any response to PaulWay's move, but I didn't think it my place to (as it's not my turn in any case). However, in the interest of giving this game some smart new rolling stock and extending it to Stratford, I shall voice my opinion on the matter. Here goes... I am all for accepting PaulWay's move. On a slightly tangential note, my journey to and from work every day takes me past Canary Wharf, so I've been able to keep a close eye on the progress of the new Jubillee Line station there. I must say the big 'fingernail' canopies over the entrance are quite magnificent -- you can look at the pictures on the JLE web page if you don't believe me, but they're much more impressive viewed from close up. I can also report that the DLR extension to Lewisham is well ahead of schedule. In case anyone's interested. dave From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 29 10:12:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12593 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Sep 1998 17:12:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 1998 17:12:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22690 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:12:01 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22687 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:11:55 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p28.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.28]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA09894 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:11:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:11:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809291711.SAA09894@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Whither Game 9? Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >If we are (and I'm inclined to, but then e's on my team so I suppose I >would be) then we await miKi's Move (presumably the same thing). > >If we are rejecting PaulWay's Move in a heartlessly cruel manner then >we're waiting for Kevan to play. Well, I've been rather busy myself these past few days and have barely had a moment to even check my email; I'll wait to see what the decision on Paul's plea is before doing anything, so as not to complicate matters. It does seem rather unfair that a Player's tactics can be so utterly shattered by a busy day at work or whatever. Perhaps we should extend the Forced Pass time limit a bit (for we've got several games on the go these days, so it's slightly less of a thing), or say that it keeps LV and everything as it was, rather than crippling it down to zero. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Girl afraid; where do his intentions lay? Or does he even have any?" -- The Smiths, "Girl Afraid" From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 29 14:28:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 23: Voting Results for Week 22 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 496 Tournament Play 5 1 - 1 Enacts 2.9.1-3 497 Give Up Completely... 4 1 1 1 Repeals 1.7.32, Amends 1.7.16 498 Mob Injustice 4 1 1 1 Amends 2.6.1 499 Token Cascade Rethink 4 - 1 2 Amends 1.7.2/15, Repeals/Enacts 1.7.36/37 500 Peg Doubt 5 1 - 1 Enacts 1.11.4, Amends 1.7.16 501 Very Witty, Wild 1 1 4 1 Fails 502 Wait Your Turn 5 1 - 1 Amends 0.7.2 503 I Toff My Hat At You, Sir! 2 - 4 1 Fails 504 Beaking 3 - 3 1 Fails 505 More Renumbering! 4 - 2 1 Renumbers nothing [a] 506 Mentor Centre 5 1 - 1 Enacts 0.3.4/5 507 Award of the State 4 1 1 1 Repeals 0.4.14, Enacts 0.9.4 Amends 0.9.4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] I'll do it when I do the rest. The rule sections could use a bit of kicking around as well, really; a lot of rules would fit better in other bits... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 496 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - FOR PAS FOR - - 497 (Kevan) FOR FOR AGA - - FOR PAS FOR - - 498 (Kevan) AGA FOR FOR - - FOR PAS FOR - - 499 (Grimace) AGA FOR - - - FOR FOR FOR - - 500 (Dunx) FOR PAS FOR - - FOR FOR FOR - - 501 (Dunx) FOR PAS AGA - - AGA AGA AGA - - 502 (Dunx) FOR PAS FOR - - FOR FOR FOR - - 503 (PaulWay) AGA FOR FOR - - AGA AGA AGA - - 504 (PaulWay) FOR FOR AGA - - AGA FOR AGA - - 505 (PaulWay) AGA FOR FOR - - FOR AGA FOR - - 506 (Julie) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS FOR FOR - - 507 (Julie) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS AGA FOR - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 16 8 10 0 29 15 25 6 1 0 Halved: 8 4 5 7 12 3 0 ---------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +11 +4 +9 +13 +0 +9 AGA Votes: -0 -4 -1 I I -1 -2 -0 -9 I Decisiveness: +3 +3 +3 n n +3 +3 +3 +0 n Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 a a -0 -0 -0 -0 a c c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 t t +0 +0 +0 +0 t EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 i i -0 -0 -0 -0 i Finger/Pulse: +0 +0 +0 v v +5 +0 +5 +0 v e e e Award Ceremony: +1 +6 +0 +4 +3 +3 +3 [b] ---------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +4 +16 +6 +20 +17 +11 +3 Final Kudos: 12 20 11 0 29 27 29 14 3 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 2 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b] Ruttsborough Award - Dunx (Very Witty, Wild) IMCS Clarity Award - PaulWay (More Renumbering!) CAMREC Cleanup Award - Dunx (Wait Your Turn) Mrs Trellis Award - Julie (Award of the State) Who's a Clever Bear? - miKi (for running over the hot coals of Wapping) Down-Underground - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Sep 29 14:28:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Twenty-Three ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 508 - So They All Manoeuvred Over and One Fell Out [Multiple] 1. Someone turn on the light! [Repeal] Repeal Rule 1.18.1 - Manoeuvres in the Dark { Comments: It all seems a bit silly to have to spend a whole load of tokens to declare a gambit when you can really just propose to add one instead. Most people aren't going to get enough tokens in a short game to want to waste them on the declaring action. This way, we can vote on the proposed new gambit to make sure it's fair in reward. } 2. Price List, Sir? [Amendment] Amend the first paragraph of Rule 1.18.2 (Gambits And Their Costs) to read:- Below is a list of all legal Manoeuvres, consisting of their names, the station attributes used to perform them, and the cost of the completed gambit. Costs of tokens are recorded in positive numbers only. 3. Those Pesky Tourists [Amendment] Add the following Manoeuvre to bottom of the list in Rule 1.18.2 (Gambits And Their Costs):- London Site-seeing (2 Go, 1 Si, 1 Bu) Canary Wharf -> Tower Hill -> Westminster -> Piccadilly Circus -> Hyde Park Corner -> Paddington ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 509 - Instrument of the Devil [Multiple] 1. Jekyll and Hyde Park [Enactment] Any player ending eir turn at Hyde Park Corner may perform the Action of [Hyde Transformation] to transform emself into Mr(s) Hyde which will be denoted by an (H) in the Game State Document after eir name. The transformation allows the Player to increase or decrease eir Line Velocity by 5 each turn, instead of the usual 3 and any Actions targeting the transformed Player costing any number of red tokens is increased by 1. The transformed Player may not travel through Holy Stations at any time while the transformation is in effect. The effect is cancelled if the transformed Player ever has enough Gold Tokens to open Mornington Crescent or another Player performs the [Hyde Transformation] Action. There may be only one affected Player at any time. 2. I'm Schizophrenic, and so am I. [Amendment] Add the following action to the list of actions:- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Action Rule Duration Cost ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Hyde Transformation] 1.7.x -1 Re, -1 Bk -1 Bu, -1 Br ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 510 - Handle with Care [Multiple] { Comments : Fixing some sloppy wording in the Parcel and Flag Rules, apropos of Wilding and Homing whilst carrying them. } 1. This Way Up [Amendment] Replace the third paragraph of Rule 1.11.2 (Five-Point Courier) with:- "While a Player is carrying a Parcel, e skips the "Special Moves" section of the Move Validity checks, and may not perform Actions which would alter eir Piece position." 2. Sitting Duck [Amendment] Reword Rule 2.8.6 (Running with Scissors) to:- "While a Player is carrying a Parcel, e skips the "Special Moves" section of the Move Validity checks, and may not perform Actions which would alter eir Piece position." 3. Smallprint [Amendment] Rename Rule 1.11.2 to "Three-Point Courier", since you don't actually get five Golds for it any more. Tsk. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 511 - Where The Air Is Free [Amendment] In Rule 1.4.25 (Release the Pigeons!), replace "Park Station" with "Park Station outside Zone 2". { Comments : Lovely though Hyde Park is, it and a few other Parks are a bit too near to Charing Cross, and render Pigeon release a little too easy. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 512 - Lose the Force [Multiple] { Comments : This lessens the harshness of Forced Passing; having your LV struck to zero just because you were too busy at work one day is, as Game 9 showed, a bit harsh. If you're too late to submit a Turn, you miss your go, which is perhaps enough - this reworking just keeps LV and whatnot intact, and loses the term "Forced Pass" because it's not really a Pass any more; more a momentary period of Inactivity. } 1. I'm Going To Have To Hurry You [Amendments] Through the Ruleset, replace the string "Forced Pass" with "Timeout". 2. British Rail Would Like To Apologise For The Late Arrival Of... [Amendment] In Rule 1.5.0 (Valid Moves), replace the second bullet point with:- * The word "Timeout" 3. Buck the Pass [Amendment] Remove "or has a Forced Pass played for em" from Rule 1.5.2 (Passing). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 513 - Green and Pleasant Land [Multiple] { Comment: It's been said before, but there aren't enough kinds of tokens. I suspect that previous efforts to increase the choice of tokens have failed because there was no particular reason for the new token types to exist - this Proposal seeks to create a token which is used for declarations and other such play which is neutral at the time. } [Amendment: Green Belt] Amend Rule 1.4.1 (Token Gesture) such that its second paragraph reads thus: "There are seven colours of Token - three Metallic (Gold, Silver and Bronze) and four Plastic (Black, Blue, Green and Red)." Add the following bullet point to the list of Token descriptions: "* Green : Neutral Actions (those which have no immediate effect on any Piece's position, such as declarations)" [Enactment: Ecofriendly] A Player may play the Neutral Action [Recycling] in order to gain a Green Token. This exchanges a pair of matching Plastic Tokens for a single Green Token. [Action: Recycling] Name: Recycling Type: Neutral Text: Recycling Duration: 5 minutes Cost: any two matching Plastic Tokens { Comment: Just seems like a nice way to gain Green Tokens. Note that this wording does not prevent the recycling of Green Tokens into other Green Tokens: it is assumed that Players will have sufficient sense not to. Finally, we need something to do with all those Greens... } [Amendment: Brown Belt] Amend Rule 1.7.15 (Post-Move Actions) such that the following Actions gain an additional cost of 1 Green Token: [Courier Call] [Declaring ____ Gambit/Manoeuvre] [ Wild] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 514 - Charge Card [Multiple] { Comment: Currently, there is only one way to win: collect Gold Tokens. This Proposal aims to introduce an alternative method which requires no token collection, hopefully moving away from the alarming resemblance to Monopoly. WARNING: Do not mistake Mornington Nomic for physical reality!! Real circuits do not work this way! } [Enactment: Current] Every Station on the LU map has a Current value associated with it, this value being directly related to its distance from the Meridian on the map. Current is the radial distance of the Station from the Meridian divided by the radial distance of the most remote Station on the Map expressed as an integer percentage. It is calculated using the formula - Current = int(station_radius / max_radius * 100) ... where 'int' is a function which removes the real part of a number. { Comment: Note that by using a percentage of the furthest point distance there is no need to specify units. All my calculations have been done using pixels on the GIF map, but paper inches, angstroms, or pico light years would do just as well. It should be obvious that calculating these Currents is going to be laborious by hand. Fortunately, I have a database which will do the work and a web page containing the results will be supplied should this Proposal pass. Amersham is the furthest point. } [Enactment: Charge] Each Piece has a Charge, being a signed integer percentage. A Piece's Charge always starts the Game at zero. If Charge exceeds 999% it becomes 999%; if Charge is ever less than -999% ir becomes -999%. Charge is modified by passage along LU network Lines: the Piece's Charge has added to it the difference between the Currents at the start and end Stations using the following formula: new_Charge = old_Charge + end_Station_Current - start_Station_Current For example, Bond Street has a Current of 15. Moving from Tottenham Court Road (which has a Current of zero) to Bond Street would add 15 to the Charge; Moving in the other direction would remove 15 from the Charge. { Comment: that's that defined then. Onto the point of the exercise... } [Amendment: Charge of the Light Brigade] Amend Rule 1.10.1 (A Shunting We Will Go) such that the second paragraph after the bulleted list reads as follows: "When a Shunt has been successfully performed, the Shunted Player's Piece is moved to the specified Station, both Shunter and Shuntee have their Line Velocity reduced to zero, and both Shunter and Shuntee have the same Charge of the mean of the Piece Charges prior to the Shunt." [Enactment: Charge of the Heavy Brigade] A Player may play the Action [Opening MC] for no cost if the Charge of eir Piece matches the Current of Mornington Crescent Station at the point at which eir Piece enters the Station. [Amendment: Cannon To the Left of Them] Amend Rule 1.7.16 (Neutral Actions) by modifying the cost for the Action [Opening MC] as follows: -3 Go if Charge does not match [Enactment: Charged Up] Upon enactment of this Rule, all Pieces in all Games in play will be given a Charge of zero. This Rule will then Repeal itself. { Comment: That'll do for now. There are of course lots of other things we could do with Charge: - debar Pieces with Charge above a certain threshold from crossing a Polarised or electrified Circle - specify that isolated line sections have no Current, and hence do not modify Charge - limit LV for those with very high Charge ... and there's plenty more where that came from. Fundamentally Charge is a counterpart to LV which is under less direct Player control, but which can still produce some interesting effects. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 515 - Turned Round [Multiple] { Comment: following on from the Station Fire duration debacle, an attempt to restore the original meaning. } [Amendment: Fires Don't Just Go Out, You Know] Amend Rule 1.9.2 (Escalator Fires) such that its second paragraph reads as follows: "If a Fire is spotted at a Station, that Station is Blocked for one round of Moves (that is the Fire Block has the same duration as the Block defined in Rule 1.9.1), and becomes Lightly Damaged." { Comment: the wording of Block is a bit suspect too... } [Amendment: I Always Preferred Plasticine] Amend Rule 1.9.1 (Basic Blocks) such that its last paragraph reads thus: "A Block lasts for one round of Moves - the Station ceases to be Blocked after the Player who played the Block Moves once more (or would have Moved should e be Inactive)." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Tue Sep 29 19:46:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5736 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Sep 1998 02:46:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 02:46:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA03831 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 03:46:07 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA03811 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 03:45:58 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id MAA29982; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:46:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma029814; Wed, 30 Sep 98 12:46:27 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:45:19 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428C54@p...> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 10 Game State Document Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:42:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 3 | 2 1 2 0 3 0 | | Julie | Clapham South | 3 | 3 0 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 1 | 4 0 1 0 1 0 | | Grimace | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 1 0 1 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1800 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | BkBk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) {Comments: 10mins : Move -1Bk : Line change (on Shoreditch) +1Re : Through two interchanges +1Br : Zone 2 Pass Dunx: If you think you can get away with it as easy as that, well, you just wait then. (Devises careful plan for getting Occam's Noogie into the ruleset) Game time updated. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNhEOFstA22MsBS7iEQIakQCgjNeZEkc7rUDWvBrOc/AtssfVCLEAoNyg +hejdAwADgpnZFReHqB1sjbW =kM+x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Wed Sep 30 02:22:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14284 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Sep 1998 09:22:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 09:22:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA10652 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:22:11 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10649 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:22:06 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA05756 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:22:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 09:22:00 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA22147; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:21:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199809300921.KAA22147@uks447> Date: 30 Sep 98 10:14:36 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 - PaulWay's Threat X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 30-Sep-98 02:42 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) PaulWay wrote: > Dunx: If you think you can get away with it as easy as that, well, you > just wait then. (Devises careful plan for getting Occam's Noogie into > the ruleset) Eh? What are you talking about, man? Not that I'd tell you what I was doing in any case... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Sep 30 02:23:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14419 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Sep 1998 09:23:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 09:23:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA10667 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:22:40 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10662 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:22:35 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p21.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.21]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA29853 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:22:30 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:22:30 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809300922.KAA29853@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 5 | 3 1 0 0 4 1 | | Julie | Clapham South | 3 | 3 0 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 1 | 4 0 1 0 1 0 | | Grimace | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 1 0 1 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1900 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | BkBk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] { Comments: Carelessly I didn't update my LV during my last Turn, so it remained at three instead of six; I've used the "LV-1" Action to take my LV to five (rather than "LV+2"), just to make things clearer once this falls into the archives and we try to follow things through. -- Ludicrum tempus fugit. +1 Red for passing two Interchanges +1 Silver for a five-Line Interchange +1 Black for a same-Liner -2 Bronze for the Harmonica } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Can't you hear she's crying out my name? (She never cries, she always said.) Can't you see she's looking at me that way?" -- My Life Story, "Lady Somerset" From Elusive Wed Sep 30 07:06:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4002 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Sep 1998 14:06:10 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 14:06:10 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17790 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:05:15 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17786 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:05:09 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p21.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.21]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA17381 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:05:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:05:04 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809301405.PAA17381@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Elusive Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 5 | 3 1 0 0 4 1 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 4 1 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 1 | 4 0 1 0 1 0 | | Grimace | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 1 0 1 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 2000 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | BkBk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit. +1 Blue for Moving to an Interchange with exactly four lines +1 Black for same liner. } -- elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "Can't you see it's hard for me, can you see what I'm trying to say?" --Fish, "A Gentlemen's Excuse Me" From Graeme Jefferis Wed Sep 30 07:13:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7924 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Sep 1998 14:13:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 14:13:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17963 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:12:44 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17960 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:12:39 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15273 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:20:15 GMT Received: from aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@a... [146.227.102.76]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id PAA02136 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:12:36 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0/C1.6a) id PAA21815 for l-nomic@f...; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:12:34 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809301412.PAA21815@a...> Subject: Re: MN: Y2W23 - Proposal comments. To: l-nomic@f... Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:12:33 BST In-Reply-To: <199809292126.WAA25298@c...>; from "Kevan Davis" at Sep 29, 98 10:26 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Twenty-Three > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Repeal Rule 1.18.1 - Manoeuvres in the Dark > { Comments: > > It all seems a bit silly to have to spend a whole load of tokens to > declare a gambit when you can really just propose to add one instead. > Most people aren't going to get enough tokens in a short game to want > to waste them on the declaring action. This way, we can vote on > the proposed new gambit to make sure it's fair in reward. > } Indeed, although I'd like a method of introducing new manouevres purely via gameplay, at least for the moment. So I'm not sure with this one. > Proposal 509 - Instrument of the Devil [Multiple] Rather good, although hardly trad-Crescent, and maybe a little on the cheap side although that can easily be changed. I'm not really happy with introducing more actions that rely on specific stations though: for one thing, it makes international translation trickier. Not really enough of a problem in itself to make me vote against. But I still think we ought to be encouraging genericism rather than specificism. > { Comments : Fixing some sloppy wording in the Parcel and Flag Rules, apropos > of Wilding and Homing whilst carrying them. } Fair enough. > Proposal 511 - Where The Air Is Free [Amendment] > In Rule 1.4.25 (Release the Pigeons!), replace "Park Station" with "Park > Station outside Zone 2". Except, unfortunately, this still allows Pigeon-Fancying in Zone 1. > Proposal 513 - Green and Pleasant Land [Multiple] Very nice. Should give us plenty of scope for now. > Proposal 514 - Charge Card [Multiple] It's a monster! > { Comment: > Currently, there is only one way to win: collect Gold Tokens. This > Proposal aims to introduce an alternative method which requires no > token collection, hopefully moving away from the alarming resemblance > to Monopoly. This is nice but really, really confusing. And I can see playing with Charge in all games is going to make a simple move rather time-consuming. It's the sort of thing that may require placing in a Complex Ruleset so that only those who feel up to the mental strain need attack it. > It should be obvious that calculating these Currents is going > to be laborious by hand. Fortunately, I have a database which will do the > work and a web page containing the results will be supplied should this > Proposal pass. Yes, but checking all this is still going to be an awful lot of work. Although I appreciate that MC has fiendishly complex aspects, in this adaptation I don't think we can realistically expect to live up to them. I'd like MN to be a little more complex, certainly, but this idea involves a lot of work with very little bearing on the game. Tactically it's all rather puzzling. What exactly is the Current of the Crescent, and how likely is it that someone is going to acheive exactly that Charge? It's at times like this that I start pondering things like 'Rule Trials'... But then, I suppose merely playing with the rule, and the process of proposing Repeals, is essentially the Trial on a rule. We may be wiser to let this one in and repeal it if it proves to be overly difficult to play. Poor PaulWay! An interesting bundle of ideas this week. I'll have to have a brainstorm sometime and come up with something /really/ evil... -Graeme. From Graeme Jefferis Wed Sep 30 07:21:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12108 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Sep 1998 14:21:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 14:21:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18205 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:21:01 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18194 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:20:54 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15795 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:28:31 GMT Received: from aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@a... [146.227.102.76]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id PAA04178 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:20:52 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0/C1.6a) id PAA22234 for l-nomic@f...; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:20:50 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809301420.PAA22234@a...> Subject: MN: Mentoring To: l-nomic@f... Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:20:49 BST In-Reply-To: <199809301412.PAA21815@a...>; from "Graeme Jefferis" at Sep 30, 98 3:12 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Oh, yes, and I'd like to put myself up as a Mentor. I'm still prone to the occasional error but I finally feel as if I've got the way of things. Ta, -Graeme. From kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) Wed Sep 30 07:50:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27990 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Sep 1998 14:50:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 14:50:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19130 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:50:18 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19124 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:50:12 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA05511; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:55:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:26:02 +0100 Message-Id: <98093015260260@w...> From: kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: more opinions on this week's proposals... X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I'm not entirely convinced about some of this week's proposals -- I like 509 and 513, but there are only two I realyl want to comment on... >Proposal 508 - So They All Manoeuvred Over and One Fell Out [Multiple] Like Grimace, I'm not sure about this one -- at least if you pay the token cost, you are guaranteed to get your manoeuvre into the rules. If you rely on a proposal, it may not get voted in. >Add the following Manoeuvre to bottom of the list in >Rule 1.18.2 (Gambits And Their Costs):- As if to prove my point..... I really like this proposed manoeuvre, but I'm going to vote against the proosal because of the other bits, which I'm not so keen on. > London Site-seeing (2 Go, 1 Si, 1 Bu) > Canary Wharf -> Tower Hill -> Westminster -> Piccadilly Circus -> > Hyde Park Corner -> Paddington It's a lovely idea, although I'm not sure I remember Paddington being a great tourist destination. How about ending the manoeuvre at Camden Town instead? The proposal I really have a problem with is this one: >Proposal 514 - Charge Card [Multiple] >Current is the radial distance of the Station from the Meridian divided by >the radial distance of the most remote Station on the Map expressed as an >integer percentage. It is calculated using the formula - > > Current = int(station_radius / max_radius * 100) > >... where 'int' is a function which removes the real part of a number. I can't comment on this because I don't understand a word of it. Therefore it will definitely *not* be receiving a vote for from me. Sorry, but I think it's grossly unfair to non-mathematicians to try to introduce things like this into a game which is essentially not maths based. I also think that even if I did understand it, it would be unfeasibly complicated to have to work out charge every time you made a move -- my beck's proposal got voted down and that worked using only the simple addition of two values, both of which would be provided in the GSD. If that wasn't acceptable, I don't see how this could be. dave From Wed Sep 30 08:20:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10326 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Sep 1998 15:20:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 15:20:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19881 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:19:54 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19878 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:19:50 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12884 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:19:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 15:19:49 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA08649; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:19:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199809301519.QAA08649@uks447> Date: 30 Sep 98 16:14:16 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Mentoring X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 30-Sep-98 15:20 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Oh, yes, and I'd like to put myself up as a Mentor. Good point. I'd also like to volunteer as a Mentor, should the Speaker feel I'm experienced enough. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) Wed Sep 30 08:39:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21013 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Sep 1998 15:39:41 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 15:39:41 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA20464 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:39:15 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20458 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:39:11 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA15976; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:44:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:45:15 +0100 Message-Id: <98093016451507@w...> From: kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Mentoring X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Oh, yes, and I'd like to put myself up as a Mentor. I would nominate myself, but I don't feel up to it at the moment. I was just wondering though, does all this mentoring business mean there's going to be a recruitment drive? After all, it's not much good having the wisdom if you don't have a student to impart it to. dave From Wed Sep 30 10:06:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 714 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Sep 1998 17:06:22 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 17:06:22 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22624 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:05:32 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22621 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:05:27 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA21819 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:05:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 17:05:25 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA08217; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:05:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199809301705.SAA08217@uks447> Date: 30 Sep 98 18:00:19 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 30-Sep-98 14:05 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 5 | 3 1 0 0 4 1 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 4 1 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 3 | 5 0 2 1 1 0 | | Grimace | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 1 0 1 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 2100 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | BkBk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] { Comment: Counting South Wimbledon twice because of the rebound, finish at Morden with a Gold Token to my name. What more could I want. 10 mins (LV tweak) 10 mins +1 Go (token run) 10 mins +1 Bk (same Line Move) +1 Br (Zone card) 10 mins (rebound) 20 mins (hat holding) ------- 60 mins Game Time advanced. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Graeme Jefferis Wed Sep 30 12:09:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31238 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Sep 1998 19:09:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 19:09:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA26054 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:08:33 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26046 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:08:21 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27988 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:15:57 GMT Received: from aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@a... [146.227.102.76]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id UAA25057 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:08:19 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by aether.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0/C1.6a) id UAA24298 for l-nomic@f...; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:08:18 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199809301908.UAA24298@a...> Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 Game State Document To: l-nomic@f... Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:08:17 BST In-Reply-To: <199809301705.SAA08217@uks447>; from "Dunx" at Sep 30, 98 6:00 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.19] Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 5 | 3 1 0 0 4 1 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 4 1 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 3 | 5 0 2 1 1 0 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 1 0 1 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 2200 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | BkBk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) { Comment: Bog-standard, but it gets me into the game at least. Probably takes about 10 minutes. +1 Bk for a move without a [Line Change]. Game Time, etc. } From Wed Sep 30 14:57:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20125 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Sep 1998 21:57:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 21:57:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA30534 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:57:01 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA30531 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:56:52 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA03399 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:56:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 21:56:50 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA03832; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:56:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199809302156.WAA03832@uks447> Date: 30 Sep 98 22:53:19 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 23: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 29-Sep-98 21:26 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) This Week's Proposals included: > Proposal 508 - So They All Manoeuvred Over and One Fell Out [Multiple] I agree with others who have commented on this one - I think we want to keep the ability to add Gambits to the ruleset through game play. This shouldn't stop new Manoeuvres being Proposed, of course, but still. > Proposal 509 - Instrument of the Devil [Multiple] Yes - very nice. Possibly a little out of keeping with the rest of the game, but then eclecticism is our middle name. > Proposal 514 - Charge Card [Multiple] I'll claim ownership of this one in order to defend it. First of all, the Proposal includes a definition of how to calculate Currents. Unfortunately this makes it look complicated, but it shouldn't be in practice since a Player would usually just look up the Current value for the relevant Stations and never have to actually do the maths at all. I've pre-published my preliminary Currents document - see the end of this note. Secondly, the actual Charge calculation isn't difficult - it should involve only three numbers: the Current of the Station at the start of the Move; the Current of the Station at the end of the Move; and the Charge of the Piece before the Move. What you're doing is working out the change in Current which the Piece has been subjected to, and adding that on to the Piece's Charge. I don't think that is any more time consuming or fiddly than the Token adjustments and LV calculations we do already. Thirdly, all I've done with Charge so far is to try to allow Players to Move to MC without the three Gold Tokens. Trying to get precisely the right charge to play MC may not be easy, but it will be different from Token Running and hopefully we'll end up visiting some Stations (and Straddling away from them, probably) which we wouldn't otherwise get to. There are, as I suggest in the Proposal, other things we can do with Charge but I thought I'd best leave those out in the first instance just to keep things down to a more or less manageable size. I think a slightly more detailed explanation of how Currents are calculated is needed, though. Apologies for some of the over-technical language. By 'radial distance' I mean just 'distance' - I got carried away because I wanted to avoid any implication that a Station South of the Meridian would have a negative distance. Calculating the distance between the Meridian and a particular Station is either a matter of taking a ruler and measuring it, or taking the coordinates and using Pythagoras' theorem to work out the length of the long side of a right-angled triangle. Here's a little map to help explain things, with some coordinates (this will only make sense on a fixed width font, I'm afraid): +5 +4 +3 b +2 | +1 | 0 0-----a -1 / | -2 / d -3 c -4 8 6 4 2 0 2 4 6 8 -ve +ve '0' is the Meridian of the diagram at coordinates (0,0), that is the origin for the coordinates. 'a', 'b', 'c', and 'd' are the Stations at coordinates as follows: a=(6,0); b=(0,3); c=(-3,-3); d=(3,-2). So, using Pythagoras we can work out the following distances from the Meridian (although a and b should be obvious): a=6; b=3; c=4.24; d=3.6. These distances are in the coordinate system (characters in this case), which was what Current values were going to be in originally, but that isn't very sensible because different people using different coordinate systems will get wildly different results. So, Current is instead defined as being a fraction of the greatest distance from the Meridian to a Station. On the LU map the farthest any Station lies from the Meridian is Amersham; on our example map it's Station 'a'. To obtain the Current of a Station, divide the Station's distance from the Meridian by the distance of the farthest point. Doing this with our example Stations, we get the following fractional Currents: a=1; b=0.5; c=0.7; d=0.6. I thought Currents should be written as percentages because I generally find it easier to do arithmetic with integers rather than with fractions. All the Currents for the LU map are are derived from a SQL database I have (on my web site - http://www.lazarus.demon.co.uk/mn/mapdata/mapdata.html) of all the Stations on the Map, the results being reported automatically and formatted to produce a list of Currents ordered alphabetically by Station name. Anyway, the Currents document is on my web site, just so you can see what the numbers look like (sorry for jumping the gun, Kevan). The URL is http://www.lazarus.demon.co.uk/mn/currents.htm. The Current for MC is 18. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Sep 30 15:52:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14789 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Sep 1998 22:52:15 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 22:52:15 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA31869 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:51:29 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA31863 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:51:20 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id IAA15389; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:51:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma015288; Thu, 1 Oct 98 08:50:56 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:50:55 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428C56@p...> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 10 - PaulWay's Threat Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:50:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Wednesday, September 30, 1998 7:15 PM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > Eh? What are you talking about, man? Suddenly found the use of Holding Hats, eh, Dunx? That's all I'll say. Fiendishness in true Ruttsborough style, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) Thu Oct 1 02:41:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23459 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Oct 1998 09:41:18 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1998 09:41:18 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11138 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:40:39 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA11135 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:40:33 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA18960; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:45:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:31:41 +0100 Message-Id: <98100110314175@w...> From: kenningd@w... (I am the Water Boatman) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 23: Proposals X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> Proposal 514 - Charge Card [Multiple] >I'll claim ownership of this one in order to defend it. Sorry if I sounded like I was ranting -- I actually think it's an interesting idea, but despite your defence making your intended method of calculating a lot clearer, I still don't think it's workable. >I don't think that is any more time consuming >or fiddly than the Token adjustments and LV calculations we do already. It may not be time consuming for you.... and anyway it might just be the straw that breaks the camel's back -- I mean, however simple and straightforward it may be in practise, it's yet another thing to think about when making a move. I don't think we can just go on adding to the move considerations, we need to stop somewhere. You also have to keep everyone else's charge in mind as well as your own -- when someone has three gold tokens and is charging towards MC, it's easy for everyone else to spot that, but unless I keep a close eye on your charge and calculate the possible destinations for your next move, I'll have no idea what's going on. I'm unhappy enough with the idea of having to calculate my own charge, but having to calculate everyone else's too is just a bit much. dave From Richard Brockie Thu Oct 1 08:43:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21859 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Oct 1998 15:43:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1998 15:43:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21128 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:41:59 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21124 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:41:47 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA14112 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:41:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:41:36 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 5 | 6 0 0 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 3 1 6 2 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 7 1 1 0 1 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 4 | 4 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 8 3 4 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 3 0 1 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 4 | 5 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 2 | 1 1 2 0 1 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1000 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | Drone Stick | | dave | Hat (T,V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | Bk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | Re | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] { Comment: Seeing as no-one has objected to accepting PaulWay's move, here is the updated GSD with PaulWay's move inserted in the correct place. Play on Kevan... } From Kevan Davis Thu Oct 1 09:06:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1967 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Oct 1998 16:06:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1998 16:06:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA22770 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:06:05 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22750 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:05:59 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p19.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.19]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA20804 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:05:52 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:05:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810011605.RAA20804@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 6 | 7 0 1 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 3 1 6 2 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 6 1 1 0 1 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 4 | 4 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 8 3 4 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 3 0 1 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 4 | 5 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 2 | 1 1 2 0 1 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1100 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (T,V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | Re | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [Home] All Saints (DL via EL,DS) [Black Token on Mile End] { Comment: After much faffing, the above is miKi's Turn with Paul's Move added. The Wayper neglected to update his Tokens and LV, so that's been done as well (not really that sneaky - I could have always Buzzed it and forced him to replay). -- Reshuffling the Drone Stick into my Nantucket, and doing little else of consequence. I could claim lots of Tokens for taking a very convoluted route Home, but that seems rather counter-intuitive and unfair; I'll try and remember to amend the Rule with a Proposal (shortest route only, perhaps? And no Token bonuses?) rather than exploit. } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "By and large, the only skill the alchemists of Ankh-Morpork had discovered so far was the ability to turn gold into less gold." -- Terry Pratchett, "Moving Pictures" From Kevan Davis Thu Oct 1 12:12:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 6 | 7 0 1 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 3 1 6 2 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 6 2 1 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 4 | 4 0 2 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 8 3 4 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 3 0 1 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 4 | 5 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 2 | 1 1 2 0 1 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1100 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (T,V) | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | Re | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] { Comment: Utter change of tactics, there. Sorry to be a pain. -- Ludicrum tempus fugit. Reshuffling the Drone Stick into my Nantucket. +1 Blue for a four-Liner -1 Black for a Line Change (evaporates, being in Quadrant Zero) -1 Red for the Block (likewise) } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "In between stations I can see a million possibilities..." -- David Byrne, "A Long Time Ago" From kenningd@w... Fri Oct 2 03:51:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8136 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Oct 1998 10:51:34 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 1998 10:51:34 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12329 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:50:58 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12326 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:50:53 +0100 From: kenningd@w... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 6 | 7 0 1 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 3 1 6 2 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 6 2 1 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 7 | 5 0 1 1 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | 8 3 4 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 3 0 1 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 4 | 5 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 2 | 1 1 2 0 1 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1200 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (T,V), Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | Re | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Token Running] Manor House (PD) {Comment: I think a proposal along the lines of 'any possession placed in a nantucket is considered to be out of play' is required. Very crafty, Mr Davis. Game time updated to Friday lunchime, which, bizarrely, is what it is in real life too. Spooky coincidence. +1 Bk: same line -2 Br: zone pass +1 Br: being in zone 2 +1 Go: token running } From Kevan Davis Fri Oct 2 04:25:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18528 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Oct 1998 11:25:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 1998 11:25:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13075 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:24:41 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13072 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:24:37 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p08.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.8]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA21004 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:24:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:24:34 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810021124.MAA21004@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Nantucketing Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I think a proposal along the lines of 'any possession placed in a nantucket is >considered to be out of play' is required. Very crafty, Mr Davis. Hmm? Is "[...] For the purposes of any Rule which checks to see if a Player is carrying a Possession, e is considered not to be carrying it if eir only instances of it reside in eir Nantucket." somehow not adequate, then? I fear I miss your angle... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Don't think that I will smile at it; I'm not a weak-willed hypocrite." -- The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band, "I'm Bored" From kenningd@w... Fri Oct 2 04:34:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21465 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Oct 1998 11:34:41 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 1998 11:34:41 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13273 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:34:06 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA13270 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:34:03 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA06529; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:39:14 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:41:27 +0100 Message-Id: <98100212412756@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Nantucketing X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > "[...] For the purposes > of any Rule which checks to see if a Player is carrying a Possession, e > is considered not to be carrying it if eir only instances of it reside > in eir Nantucket." Ahem. I missed that. Well, that's all right then -- I just thought for a moment there you'd found a clever way to stop anyone getting the drone stick while being able to carry on using it yourself. I even looked in the rules to check..... dave From Graeme Jefferis Fri Oct 2 06:37:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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[146.227.102.130]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id OAA10101 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:36:37 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by eleuthera.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id OAA11644 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:36:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:36:36 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810021336.OAA11644@e...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: XTv7SE3a31V/dXcg7aFoUg== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 6 | 7 0 1 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 3 1 6 2 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 6 2 1 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 7 | 5 0 1 1 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 2 | 11 3 6 1 5 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 3 0 1 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 4 | 5 0 1 1 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 2 | 1 1 2 0 1 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1300 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (T,V), Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | ReBu | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Token Running] Manor House (PD) Grimace : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Token Running] Notting Hill Gate (DS) [Busking] {Comment: Net LV gain: +2 -1 Bu for the extra time, on Bethnal Green. +1 Go for the run, +1 Bk for no [Line Change], +1 Bk for a three-line interchange, +1 Br for the Zone Pass +1 Bk, +1 Bu, +1 Re, +1 Br for the Busk. Game Time does what it does best. } From Elusive Sat Oct 3 04:00:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25365 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Oct 1998 11:00:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 1998 11:00:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08481 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:00:08 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08478 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:00:03 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p22.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.22]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA06296 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:59:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:59:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810031059.LAA06296@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Elusive Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 6 | 7 0 1 2 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 3 1 6 2 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 6 2 1 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 7 | 5 0 1 1 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 2 | 11 3 6 1 5 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 3 0 1 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 6 0 1 2 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 2 | 1 1 2 0 1 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1400 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (T,V), Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | ReBu | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Token Running] Manor House (PD) Grimace : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Token Running] Notting Hill Gate (DS) [Busking] Julie : [LV-2] [Token Running] Chesham (MP) { Comment: Game time, etc. +1 Gold for the Token Running. +1 Black for Same Liner. } -- elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "The killer in me is the killer in you, my love." --Smashing Pumpkins, "Disarm" From Mon Oct 5 03:24:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4840 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Oct 1998 10:24:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 10:24:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26519 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:23:15 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26508 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:23:09 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA24870 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:23:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 10:23:08 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA20116; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:23:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199810051023.LAA20116@uks447> Date: 05 Oct 98 11:11:42 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 30-Sep-98 20:08 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 5 | 3 1 0 0 4 1 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 4 1 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 3 | 5 0 2 1 1 0 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 1 0 1 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 2300 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | BkBk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass { Comment: Sorry, Paul... but Grimace played last Wednesday, so I think we're talking timeout by any definition. PaulWay's LV zeroed Game Time advanced. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Mon Oct 5 04:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19218 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Oct 1998 11:08:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 11:08:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27497 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:07:25 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27494 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:07:20 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p06.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.6]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA00410 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:07:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:07:16 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810051107.MAA00410@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 8 | 5 1 0 0 4 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 4 1 1 0 3 0 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 3 | 5 0 2 1 1 0 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 1 0 1 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 0000 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] { Comments: > Sorry, Paul... but Grimace played last Wednesday, so I think we're talking > timeout by any definition. If it's any consolation, e wouldn't have been able to leave Shoreditch anyway, the Line being closed at night... -- Ludicrum tempus fugit Move: Kings X -> Euston -> Warren St -> Oxford Circ -> Green Park -> Victoria -> Sloane Sq -> South Ken -> Glouc Rd -1 Black for the Line Change (lost) +1 Silver and +1 Black for passing through six Interchanges +1 Black from Euston +1 Black for a three-Liner -0 Red for the Block } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "One can't complain. I have my friends. Somebody spoke to me only yesterday." -- Eeyore From Mon Oct 5 05:16:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11283 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Oct 1998 12:16:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 12:16:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28930 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:15:30 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28927 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:15:25 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09662 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:15:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 12:15:23 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA29837; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:15:19 +0100 Message-Id: <199810051215.NAA29837@uks447> Date: 05 Oct 98 13:10:04 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 23: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 01-Oct-98 09:31 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>> Proposal 514 - Charge Card [Multiple] >>I'll claim ownership of this one in order to defend it. >Sorry if I sounded like I was ranting -- I actually think it's an interesting >idea, but despite your defence making your intended method of calculating a lot >clearer, I still don't think it's workable. I didn't think you were ranting - I thought I'd failed in my efforts at explanation, but anyone who comes up with reasonable objections is hardly ranting. >>I don't think that is any more time consuming >>or fiddly than the Token adjustments and LV calculations we do already. >It may not be time consuming for you.... and anyway it might just be the straw >that breaks the camel's back -- I mean, however simple and straightforward it >may be in practise, it's yet another thing to think about when making a move. I >don't think we can just go on adding to the move considerations, we need to >stop somewhere. Hmm. I can see that point - but I also don't think that point has been reached yet. The large range permitted for Charge is just meant to give a bit of room for manoeuvre rather than as an indication of the typical values involved - mostly the computation will be with values much less than a hundred. >You also have to keep everyone else's charge in mind as well as your own -- >when someone has three gold tokens and is charging towards MC, it's easy for >everyone else to spot that, but unless I keep a close eye on your charge and >calculate the possible destinations for your next move, I'll have no idea >what's going on. I'm unhappy enough with the idea of having to calculate my own >charge, but having to calculate everyone else's too is just a bit much. That would seem to me to be the point. We already need to perform some fairly complex 'what if' thinking in order to anticipate other players' moves. Anticipating a Strile or imminent Power Failure doesn't seem any harder really than keeping an eye on others' charge - it's all down to guessing which Stations someone can Move to. What I would say is that we should try it and, if it is unworkable, then either abandon it or push it into a Complex ruleset (as already suggested). -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Jonathan David Amery Mon Oct 5 08:43:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22927 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Oct 1998 15:43:41 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 15:43:41 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01146 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:42:41 +0100 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01143 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:42:36 +0100 Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zQCmR-0000dw-00 for l-nomic@f...; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:42:35 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:42:35 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Reya. In-Reply-To: <199810051215.NAA29837@uks447> Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I'm back. Could someone send me the URL of the WWW site so I can read the updated rules before joining back in.... Jonatahn. -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### "The last human being on the Earth sat alone in a room. \'####### There was a knock on the door..." - Shortest SF story... From Graeme Jefferis Mon Oct 5 08:56:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30264 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Oct 1998 15:56:23 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 15:56:22 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01429 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:53:40 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01426 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:53:34 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27151 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:01:10 GMT Received: from ives.cms.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@i... [146.227.102.113]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id QAA19107 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:53:29 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by ives.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id QAA23679 for l-nomic@f...; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:53:27 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:53:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810051553.QAA23679@i...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Reya. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: R9S8LGE4bPAVg1mt2lz/Rg== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > I'm back. Good to see you! > Could someone send me the URL of the WWW site so I can read the updated > rules before joining back in.... Oddly, Kevan's site at DMU is still extant... but anyhow, the new improved anorak-flavoured pages live at http://members.xoom.com/mornomic. If you're having difficulty ringing the changes (you've been gone for quite a while...) then I'll draw your attention to the Mentors; Kevan, Dunx and myself. -Graeme. From Mon Oct 5 09:06:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3783 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Oct 1998 16:06:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 16:06:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01744 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:04:03 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01738 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:03:59 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12362 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:03:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 16:03:58 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA27649; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:03:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199810051603.RAA27649@uks447> Date: 05 Oct 98 17:00:38 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Reya. X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 05-Oct-98 15:42 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Jonathan wrote: > I'm back. Hurrah! > Could someone send me the URL of the WWW site so I can read the updated >rules before joining back in.... http://members.xoom.com/mornomic/ Things which may be of particular interets to you are the period of grace which is now offered to new and returning Players (Rule 1.16.5) and the Mentor system which was recently voted in but which has not yet had any subjects (he said tactfully, refraining from any jokes about victims). Unfortunately, both of the active games are fairly well advanced - you might be able to join the Ruttsborough game (#10) but expect no quarter to be given. Is it worth starting a Game 11, anybody? Standard Vanilla? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Elusive Mon Oct 5 09:31:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18147 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Oct 1998 16:31:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 16:31:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA02356 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:29:20 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02353 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:29:16 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p23.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.23]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA24040 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:29:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:29:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810051629.RAA24040@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Elusive Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 8 | 5 1 0 0 4 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 7 | 5 1 5 1 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 3 | 5 0 2 1 1 0 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 1 0 1 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 0500 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit. +1 Silver for 5 Interchanges. +1 Black for same liner. +1 Gold for Manoeuvre. +3 Bronze for same Manoeuvre. +1 Bronze for Zone 2 Pass. -0 Red for Block. } -- elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "I'm so happy because today I've found my friends - they're in my head." --Nirvana, "Lithium" From Kevan Davis Mon Oct 5 14:25:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7566 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Oct 1998 21:25:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 1998 21:25:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA11690 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:24:10 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA11683 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:23:59 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p53.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.53]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA14428 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:23:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:23:49 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810052123.WAA14428@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Reya. Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Jonathan said:- > I'm back. Aha. Good to see you again, sir. Only the other day I was wondering if it was time to shuffle you from the Voting Results and quietly note your existence elsewhere; pleasant surprise to see your return. Game 7 went into cold storage with me Buzzing you for some Token Stack carelessness; it's all still detailed in the list archive (http://www.egroups.com/list/l-nomic/), and a search for "Game 7" should do the trick. Repost your Buzzed Move, and we'll carry the game on... And, tangentially, Grimace commented:- > Oddly, Kevan's site at DMU is still extant... Irritatingly, yes. I was told it would be deleted the moment I escaped my degree, so didn't bother putting up any big "These pages are out of date if you're reading them after July" notices. God knows how many potential Players we've lost through them reading the old Web page and thinking that the Nomic's been dead four months. Pft. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Don't leave it all unsaid, somewhere in the wasteland of your head." -- Morrissey, "Sing Your Life" From Jonathan David Amery Mon Oct 5 18:22:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11723 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Oct 1998 01:22:47 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 01:22:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA16254 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:22:07 +0100 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16251 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:22:02 +0100 Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zQLpB-0007Hm-00 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:22:01 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:22:01 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan David Amery To: Mornington Nomic Subject: Re: MN: Reya. In-Reply-To: <199810052123.WAA14428@c...> Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > Jonathan said:- > > Game 7 went into cold storage with me Buzzing you for some Token Stack > carelessness; it's all still detailed in the list archive > (http://www.egroups.com/list/l-nomic/), and a search for "Game 7" should do > the trick. Repost your Buzzed Move, and we'll carry the game on... It wants a password... -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### "The last human being on the Earth sat alone in a room. \'####### There was a knock on the door..." - Shortest SF story... From Tue Oct 6 01:49:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22477 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Oct 1998 08:49:37 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 08:49:37 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23860 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:49:03 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23854 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:48:59 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28819 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:48:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 08:48:58 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04088; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:48:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199810060848.JAA04088@uks447> Date: 06 Oct 98 09:43:24 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Reya. X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 05-Oct-98 21:23 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Kevan wrote in reply to Jonathan Amery: >Game 7 went into cold storage with me Buzzing you for some Token Stack >carelessness; it's all still detailed in the list archive >(http://www.egroups.com/list/l-nomic/), and a search for "Game 7" should do >the trick. Repost your Buzzed Move, and we'll carry the game on... Er... isn't that a different Jonathan? It was Jonathan Ellis who was playing in Game 7 - Mr Amery, here, played as Jon. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Tue Oct 6 02:00:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26265 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Oct 1998 09:00:52 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 09:00:52 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24174 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:00:24 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24171 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:00:20 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p25.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.25]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA13668 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:00:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:00:16 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810060900.KAA13668@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Reya. Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Kevan wrote in reply to Jonathan Amery: >>Game 7 went into cold storage with me Buzzing you for some Token Stack >>carelessness; it's all still detailed in the list archive >>(http://www.egroups.com/list/l-nomic/), and a search for "Game 7" should do >>the trick. Repost your Buzzed Move, and we'll carry the game on... > >Er... isn't that a different Jonathan? > >It was Jonathan Ellis who was playing in Game 7 - Mr Amery, here, played >as Jon. Oh. Pah. You're absolutely right, of course. [slings Game 7 back into the freezer] It was the signing off as "Jonathan" and the fact that I recalled Jonathan Ellis saying that he'd be "back in a few months" or whatever. Tish. Damn you people with identical names; we should all have obscurely-spelt Gaelic ones, I tell you. (Er, different ones, though, preferably.) Ignore me and carry on, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "So let us go soon, to the street shaped like the moon." -- David Devant and his Spirit Wife, "Life on a Crescent" From kenningd@w... (A Gentleman on business fom Porlock) Tue Oct 6 02:31:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3430 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Oct 1998 09:31:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 09:31:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24972 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:30:22 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24969 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:30:19 +0100 Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA16458; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:35:40 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:39:11 +0100 Message-Id: <98100610391055@w...> From: kenningd@w... (A Gentleman on business fom Porlock) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Reya. X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Oh. Pah. You're absolutely right, of course. [slings Game 7 back into >the freezer] Why doesn't someone just play a forced pass for em? or is that too obvious? dave From Kevan Davis Tue Oct 6 03:41:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27208 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Oct 1998 10:41:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 10:41:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26795 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:40:05 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26771 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:39:59 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p25.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.25]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA19476 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:39:52 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:39:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810061039.LAA19476@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Reya. Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Oh. Pah. You're absolutely right, of course. [slings Game 7 back into >>the freezer] > >Why doesn't someone just play a forced pass for em? > >or is that too obvious? Because it's only me and him playing it; it seemed better to put it on hold than ditch it forever. Little difference either way, really, but still. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "The information needed can be found in anagram upon the Internet, the day before." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Secret Gig" From Tue Oct 6 06:29:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2262 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Oct 1998 13:29:29 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 13:29:29 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA30873 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:28:27 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA30869 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:28:16 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA12310 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:28:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from uksn43.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 13:28:14 UT Received: by uksn43 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA21724; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:28:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199810061328.OAA21724@uksn43> Date: 06 Oct 98 14:25:44 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UNX8.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 05-Oct-98 16:29 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id OAA30870 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 8 | 5 1 0 0 4 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 7 | 5 1 5 1 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 3 | 5 0 2 1 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 1 0 1 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 0600 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] { Comment: In full - 10 mins +1 Bk (same line) 10 mins (rebound) 20 mins -1 Bk, +1 Si (slingshot) 20 mins (hat pin) ------- 60 mins Game Time advanced } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... Tue Oct 6 06:38:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6547 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Oct 1998 13:38:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 13:38:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA31118 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:36:12 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA31115 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:36:09 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA15935; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:41:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:41:23 +0100 Message-Id: <98100614412354@w...> To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: list traffic X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) It occurs to me as a spin-off from the discussion on the garden nomic mailing list, and as something which has been mentioned round these parts before, that it would be really easy to set up a dedicated mailing list on egroups for each game in progress. If list traffic is all that's putting us off having more than one or two games in prgress at a time, then this would be the ideal solution. What does everyone think? dave From Graeme Jefferis Tue Oct 6 08:38:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6950 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Oct 1998 15:38:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 15:38:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01495 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:36:14 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01487 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:36:08 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03823 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:43:46 GMT Received: from komodo.cms.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@k... [146.227.102.136]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id QAA04078 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:36:04 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by komodo.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id QAA07708 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:36:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 16:36:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810061536.QAA07708@k...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 2sOT9begdfjmHZGBsyssWw== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 8 | 5 1 0 0 4 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 7 | 5 1 5 1 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 3 | 5 0 2 1 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 1 0 1 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 0700 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hat (V) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] { Comments: Not really got the feel for this one yet. +1 Re - thru two interchanges; +1 Bk - same liner. Time advanced. } From Kevan Davis Tue Oct 6 11:16:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32017 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Oct 1998 18:16:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 18:16:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA05681 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:16:04 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05653 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:15:56 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p73.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.73]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA20158 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:15:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:15:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810061815.TAA20158@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 24: Voting Results for Week 23 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 508 So They All Manoeuvred... 2 - 3 2 Fails 509 Instrument of the Devil 5 - - 2 Enacts 1.7.38, Amends 1.7.15 510 Handle with Care 4 1 - 2 Amends 1.11.2, 2.8.6 [a] 511 Where The Air Is Free 1 1 3 2 Fails 512 Lose the Force 4 1 - 2 Amends variously, 1.5.2/0 513 Green and Pleasant Land 3 1 1 2 Amends 1.4.1, Enacts 1.7.39 Amends 1.7.16/15 514 Charge Card 3 1 1 2 Enacts 1.19.1/2/3, Amends 1.10.1, 1.7.16, Enacts/Repeals 1.19.4 [b] 515 Turned Round 4 1 - 2 Amends 1.9.2/1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] "Parcel" being replaced by "Flag" in that case, by a sheepish Point of Order. Too much cut, not enough paste, damn me. [b] All Pieces now have a Charge of zero. Have fun. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 508 (Julie) - AGA AGA - - - FOR AGA FOR - 509 (Julie) - FOR FOR - - - FOR FOR FOR - 510 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - - PAS FOR FOR - 511 (Kevan) - AGA AGA - - - PAS FOR AGA - 512 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - - PAS FOR FOR - 513 (Dunx) - PAS FOR - - - FOR AGA FOR - 514 (Dunx) - PAS FOR - - - AGA FOR FOR - 515 (Dunx) - PAS FOR - - - FOR FOR FOR - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 12 20 11 0 29 27 29 14 3 0 Halved: 6 10 5 13 14 7 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +10 +0 +7 +9 +0 +0 AGA Votes: -0 -2 -0 I I -3 -3 -0 -0 I Decisiveness: +0 +3 +3 n n +0 +3 +3 +3 n Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 a a -0 -0 -0 -0 a c c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 t t +0 +0 +0 +0 t EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 i i -0 -0 -0 -0 i Finger/Pulse: +0 +5 +5 v v +0 +0 +0 +0 v e e e Award Ceremony: +0 +6 +0 +4 +3 +0 +2 [c] ---------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +0 +22 +8 +8 +12 +3 +5 Final Kudos: 6 32 13 0 29 21 26 10 6 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 1 0 0 3 0 1 0 0 1 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [c] Ruttsborough Award - Dunx (Charge Card) IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - Dunx (Turned Round) Mrs Trellis Award - Julie (Instrument of the Devil) Who's a Clever Bear? - none Down-Underground - +2 For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Oct 6 11:17:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Twenty-Three ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 516 - He Shoots, He Scores [Multiple] To Rule 2.8.2 (The Flag), add the paragraph:- "Flags may be Shunted as if they were Players, using the name "Flag (T)"." And reword the first paragraph of Rule 2.8.5 (Winning) to:- "A Team Wins if the Flag of another Team ever rests at its own Team HQ, at the end of any Turn." { Comments : A golf or soccer style variant might be amusing, but probably too fiddly; this just adds a new angle to the Capture the Flag rules, which I hope we'll get to test before too long... } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 517 - Desperate Measures [Amendment] Award the "Edible" Quality to British Rail Coffee. { Comments : Someone naively asked why British Rail Coffee couldn't be consumed, the other month. On reflection, I think it probably should be made drinkable - as the medium-priced Victual, it's lack of LV-boosting is probably weakening food-play too much. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 518 - It Came From Quadrant Zero [Amendment] Replace the penultimate paragraph of Rule 1.17.2 (Pythagoras Would Have Loved This) with:- "If a Station lies on a Half or Quadrant boundary, it shall be considered to reside in all Halves and Quadrants adjacent to the boundary, unless it is in Quadrant Zero, in which case it resides only in Quadrant Zero." And remove final paragraph of that Rule. { Comments : Extraneous blather about Tottenham Court Road, which is now in Quadrant Zero. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Kevan Davis Tue Oct 6 12:42:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15787 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Oct 1998 19:42:54 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1998 19:42:54 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07922 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:41:33 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07917 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:41:27 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p59.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.59]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA26298 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:41:23 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:41:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810061941.UAA26298@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: list traffic Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >It occurs to me as a spin-off from the discussion on the garden nomic mailing >list, and as something which has been mentioned round these parts before, that >it would be really easy to set up a dedicated mailing list on egroups for each >game in progress. If list traffic is all that's putting us off having more than >one or two games in prgress at a time, then this would be the ideal solution. Ah, yes, I'd been thinking of such things. As muttered whenever it was we first broached the subject, it'd probably be best to have four or five "Lounges", announcing the location of new Games whenever they commence. Hmm. The Brooke-Taylor, Cryer, Garden, Lyttleton and Rushton Memorial, perhaps? Subject-line prefixes of "MN-B:", "MN-C:" and so forth? Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I've forgotten which game we were playing. Whatever it was, will you carry on please; Willie Rushton." -- Humphrey Lyttleton, "I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue" From Jonathan David Amery Tue Oct 6 19:11:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21663 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 02:11:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 02:11:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA16827 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:10:27 +0100 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA16824 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:10:22 +0100 Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zQj3Q-0001Ml-00 for l-nomic@f...; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:10:16 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:10:16 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Reya. Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I don't /think/ I need a Mentor; the only rule which is confusing me is the Charge/Current rule-pair. Oh, and I'll join the Ruttsburough game. Jon. -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### "The last human being on the Earth sat alone in a room. \'####### There was a knock on the door..." - Shortest SF story... From Wed Oct 7 01:39:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: RE: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:37:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 8 | 5 1 0 0 4 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 7 | 5 1 5 1 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 3 | 5 0 2 1 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 2 2 1 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 0800 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hat (V) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | Bk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] {Comments: 0:40 +2Bl : Pass - naught else I can do, really +1Br : Valid move within a zone-pass-held zone +1Bk : Not playing a Line Change 0:10 : And it's only Dunx to go... 0:10 -1Br : A Mars a day helps you work, rest and play, or so they say. And time passes. Now the station is open, and I can get out. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNhqbpstA22MsBS7iEQK5/wCfQ+K0pRQdlGzC27gpuU0n7t0vLXMAn0l4 XkEU5Bt49BWLgBJ2k5sILy9E =QYSf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kenningd@w... Wed Oct 7 02:15:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6199 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 09:15:24 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 09:15:24 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24370 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:14:34 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24367 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:14:30 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA02239; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:19:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:21:22 +0100 Message-Id: <98100710212278@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 24: Proposals X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Proposal 517 - Desperate Measures [Amendment] > >Award the "Edible" Quality to British Rail Coffee. > >{ Comments : Someone naively asked why British Rail Coffee couldn't be > consumed, the other month. On reflection, I think it probably > should be made drinkable - as the medium-priced Victual, it's > lack of LV-boosting is probably weakening food-play too much. } Obviously you've never bought a cup of BR coffee? Yeuch! dave From kenningd@w... Wed Oct 7 02:25:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9420 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 09:25:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 09:25:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24621 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:23:54 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24618 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:23:50 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA09064; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:29:14 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:30:50 +0100 Message-Id: <98100710304999@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: list traffic X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Ah, yes, I'd been thinking of such things. As muttered whenever it was we >first broached the subject, it'd probably be best to have four or five >"Lounges", announcing the location of new Games whenever they commence. >Hmm. The Brooke-Taylor, Cryer, Garden, Lyttleton and Rushton Memorial, >perhaps? Subject-line prefixes of "MN-B:", "MN-C:" and so forth? I was thinking of something prosaic like mn-game11@egroups.com but your idea sounds much better. The other good thing about dedicated mailing lists would be that you could set up the header to put 'Game X Game State Document' in the subject line automatically. Marvellous. dave From Kevan Davis Wed Oct 7 03:02:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21154 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 10:02:31 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 10:02:31 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25585 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:01:10 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25582 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:01:05 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p24.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.24]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA09195 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:00:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:00:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810071000.LAA09195@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Tokens | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 4 1 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 7 | 5 1 5 1 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Jon | | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 3 | 5 0 2 1 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 3 0 2 0 1 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 2 2 1 0 3 0 | +------------+---------------------------+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 0900 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] { Comments: Added Jon to the Playing Order - e's still Inactive until e says otherwise. Removed Grimace's knocked Hat from last Turn. -- Ludicrum tempus fugit. Move : Glouc Rd -> High Street Ken -> Nott Hill Gate -> Holland Park -> Shepherd's Bush -> Goldhawk Rd -> Hammersmith -> Ravenscourt Park -1 Black for the Line Change (Shoreditch) -0 Red for the Shunt (my LV to one, Grimace's to zero, stealing a Red) +1 Red for passing two Interchanges } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "When you walk through a storm, you get wet." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Turned up Clocked on Laid off" From Wed Oct 7 03:11:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24048 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 10:10:59 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 10:10:59 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25794 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:09:31 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25790 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:09:26 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04524 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:09:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 10:09:25 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA27168; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:09:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199810071009.LAA27168@uks447> Date: 07 Oct 98 10:54:16 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Reya. X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 07-Oct-98 02:10 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > I don't /think/ I need a Mentor; the only rule which is confusing me is >the Charge/Current rule-pair. You've rejoined after the discussion of these on the list... the Rules are more a definition of the terms than an explanation of how to use them, which is perhaps not ideal. I'll put forward a Proposal to add more explanatory text to the definitions. In the meantime, there are two things you need to know: 1. the list of Currents is at - http://www.lazarus.demon.co.uk/mn/currents.htm 2. some more explanation of Currents and Charges was in my reply to the Week 23 Proposals. I'll publish this on my web page this evening, but in the meantime here's an extract on how they work in play: ----------------------------------- 8< -------------------------------- [...] the actual Charge calculation [...] should involve only three numbers: the Current of the Station at the start of the Move; the Current of the Station at the end of the Move; and the Charge of the Piece before the Move. What you're doing is working out the change in Current which the Piece has been subjected to, and adding that on to the Piece's Charge. ----------------------------------- 8< -------------------------------- There does appear to be a dearth of examples in the discussions, so here's one - a Piece with a Charge of 11 is situated at Bethnal Green (Current=40) and moves to Moorgate (Current=23). The Piece's new Charge is calculated as old_charge + end_Station_Current - start_Station_Current so the new Charge value is 11 + (23 - 40) = -6 Remember, though, that only standard moves along LU lines count towards Charge calculations: if, in our example, the Piece then Straddled away to Limehouse, Aldgate or Timbuktu its Charge would be unaffected. OK? > Oh, and I'll join the Ruttsburough game. *suppresses urge to cackle evilly* -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Wed Oct 7 03:30:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30289 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 10:30:41 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 10:30:41 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26314 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:29:53 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26310 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:29:49 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA08733 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:29:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:29:47 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: list traffic In-Reply-To: <199810061941.UAA26298@c...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > Ah, yes, I'd been thinking of such things. As muttered whenever it was we > first broached the subject, it'd probably be best to have four or five > "Lounges", announcing the location of new Games whenever they commence. > Hmm. The Brooke-Taylor, Cryer, Garden, Lyttleton and Rushton Memorial, > perhaps? Subject-line prefixes of "MN-B:", "MN-C:" and so forth? Fabulous idea! The "MC-L" Lounge would of course contain the blackboard detailing what games are in progress in the others, the Playing Lounges, as well as discussion/argument about proposals, etc... --- miKi From kenningd@w... Wed Oct 7 03:47:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3801 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 10:47:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 10:47:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26781 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:46:37 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26778 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:46:30 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA00820; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:51:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:45:50 +0100 Message-Id: <98100711455036@w...> To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: help! X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I will accept charge as a part of the game, thanks to the weight of the democratic process which takes priority over any misgivings I may have, but I need a clarification of this: > A Player may play the Action [Opening MC] for no cost if the Charge of eir > Piece matches the Current of Mornington Crescent Station at the point at > which eir Piece enters the Station. The piece's charge 'at the point of entering the station' depends on when you do the calculation -- is the working out of the piece's new charge done pre- or post-move? If, as I intuitively assume is the case, it's post-move, then effectively you're saying the charge needs to match the MC current at the start of the move, ie it's the same as your new charge calculated at the end of your previous turn. Am I correct in assuming this? It's just that the roundabout wording of the rule suggests that it intends to mean something else. dave From kenningd@w... Wed Oct 7 03:56:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7004 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 10:56:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 10:56:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27023 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:55:19 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27020 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:55:13 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA17729; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:00:37 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:03:31 +0100 Message-Id: <98100712033142@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: help! X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) One more thing... > A Player may play the Action [Opening MC] for no cost if the Charge of eir > Piece matches the Current of Mornington Crescent Station at the point at > which eir Piece enters the Station. does that mean it has to be +18, or can it also be -18? dave From Kevan Davis Wed Oct 7 04:45:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 7 | 0 | 5 1 5 1 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Jon | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 3 | 0 | 5 0 2 1 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 1 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 0 | 2 2 1 0 3 0 | +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 0900 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] { Comments: Forgot to update and - indeed - include Charge. Tsk. Charge = 0 + 48 (Ravenscourt Park) - 31 (Gloucester Road) = 17 Well, gosh. -- Ludicrum tempus fugit. Move : Glouc Rd -> High Street Ken -> Nott Hill Gate -> Holland Park -> Shepherd's Bush -> Goldhawk Rd -> Hammersmith -> Ravenscourt Park -1 Black for the Line Change (Shoreditch) -0 Red for the Shunt (my LV to one, Grimace's to zero, stealing a Red) +1 Red for passing two Interchanges } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "We'll fight them in the kitchen, in the bathroom, in the garden shed." -- The Divine Comedy, "Charge" From Kevan Davis Wed Oct 7 05:11:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4310 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 12:11:10 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 12:11:10 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28777 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:08:03 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28770 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:07:58 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p03.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.3]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA17566 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:07:53 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:07:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810071207.NAA17566@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: help! Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> A Player may play the Action [Opening MC] for no cost if the Charge of eir >> Piece matches the Current of Mornington Crescent Station at the point at >> which eir Piece enters the Station. > >The piece's charge 'at the point of entering the station' depends on when you >do the calculation -- is the working out of the piece's new charge done pre- or >post-move? If, as I intuitively assume is the case, it's post-move, then >effectively you're saying the charge needs to match the MC current at the start >of the move, ie it's the same as your new charge calculated at the end of your >previous turn. Am I correct in assuming this? It's just that the roundabout >wording of the rule suggests that it intends to mean something else. Well, it says "Charge is modified by passage along LU network Lines", so "the Point at which eir Piece enters the Station" means that you'd have to have the correct Charge at the end of your Winning Move. But, er, if you can't play the Action until you get there, and you need to play the Action to be *able* to get there, er, it all gets a bit Zen. I think "...if the Charge of eir Piece would match the Current of Mornington Crescent Station at the point at which eir Piece would enter the Station." would make more sense, really. Am I completely missing the point, by the way, or is there only possible way to Win with a Charge - to start the Game at Tottenham Court Road with a Charge of zero (or to do some very, very, very clever Shunting, I suppose)? Or does Dunx plan other ways for Charge to be altered? As someone who's submitted a Turn involving Charge, though, I'm beginning to have my doubts about it. Having another document to refer to when I make my move is slightly irksome. I float once more my "Venbacker numbers extracted from the Station name" musing, but not very enthusiastically. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "There's people who can't spell 'weird' right, driving round with thousands in the bank." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Turned up Clocked on Laid off" From Wed Oct 7 05:39:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17722 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 12:39:29 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 12:39:29 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29406 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:37:33 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29398 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:37:28 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA18230 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:37:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 12:37:26 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA16945; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:37:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199810071237.NAA16945@uks447> Date: 07 Oct 98 12:15:50 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: help! X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 07-Oct-98 11:03 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> A Player may play the Action [Opening MC] for no cost if the Charge of eir >> Piece matches the Current of Mornington Crescent Station at the point at >> which eir Piece enters the Station. >does that mean it has to be +18, or can it also be -18? +18, although allowing the negative value would be an interesting variant. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... Wed Oct 7 05:42:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18897 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 12:42:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 12:42:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29441 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:39:36 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29437 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:39:32 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA10708; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:44:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:23:22 +0100 Message-Id: <98100713232290@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: help! X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >But, er, if you can't play the Action until you get there, and you need to >play the Action to be *able* to get there, er, it all gets a bit Zen. Exactly. However, I think I've sussed why it is like it is (if Dunx would like to confirm my suspicions). Your new charge is calculated at the end of the so-called *piece* move, so that if your move to MC is a normal move, then your charge has to be 18 at the start of your turn. However, if you are intending to straddle to MC, then your new charge, calculated when you've moved to the station you are intending to straddle from, needs to be 18. >Am I completely missing the point, by the way, or is there only possible way >to Win with a Charge - to start the Game at Tottenham Court Road with a Charge >of zero (or to do some very, very, very clever Shunting, I suppose)? Or does >Dunx plan other ways for Charge to be altered? Well, you're not allowed to start the game at Tottenham Ct Rd, are you? I'm sure you could work out a way to win very quickly by canny choice of home station, but this is why I asked about negative charges -- unless you allow them to count too (i.e. allow a player with a charge of -18 to move to MC), it's actually not that easy to just make a dash for MC from the extremities of the Northern Line, due to the way charge is calculated -- it's a valid query, since current isn't specified as a signed value, so I'm presuming it's supposed to be AC, rather than DC. >As someone who's submitted a Turn involving Charge, though, I'm beginning to >have my doubts about it. Having another document to refer to when I make my >move is slightly irksome. Didn't I say that before? Did anyone take any notice of me? Tch! dave From Wed Oct 7 06:10:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 612 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 13:10:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 13:10:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA30165 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:08:53 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA30162 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:08:49 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24002 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:08:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 13:08:48 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA22138; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:08:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199810071308.OAA22138@uks447> Date: 07 Oct 98 14:01:50 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: help! X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 07-Oct-98 12:07 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>> A Player may play the Action [Opening MC] for no cost if the Charge of eir >>> Piece matches the Current of Mornington Crescent Station at the point at >>> which eir Piece enters the Station. >> >>The piece's charge 'at the point of entering the station' depends on when you >>do the calculation -- is the working out of the piece's new charge done pre- or >>post-move? If, as I intuitively assume is the case, it's post-move, then >>effectively you're saying the charge needs to match the MC current at the start >>of the move, ie it's the same as your new charge calculated at the end of your >>previous turn. Am I correct in assuming this? It's just that the roundabout >>wording of the rule suggests that it intends to mean something else. >Well, it says "Charge is modified by passage along LU network Lines", so "the >Point at which eir Piece enters the Station" means that you'd have to have the >correct Charge at the end of your Winning Move. Indeed - or if you were Straddling (or whatever) onto MC, then your Charge must match before you Straddle. >But, er, if you can't play the Action until you get there, and you need to >play the Action to be *able* to get there, er, it all gets a bit Zen. I think >"...if the Charge of eir Piece would match the Current of Mornington Crescent >Station at the point at which eir Piece would enter the Station." would make >more sense, really. Er... yes, I suppose so. I seem to recall trying to avoid conditional terms like 'would' in the wording but, as you point out, the current form (IYPTP) is more confusing if anything. >Am I completely missing the point, by the way, or is there only possible way >to Win with a Charge - to start the Game at Tottenham Court Road with a Charge >of zero (or to do some very, very, very clever Shunting, I suppose)? Or does >Dunx plan other ways for Charge to be altered? Not at all, not at all - the intention is that only normal Moves modify Charge, whereas Straddles, Wilds, and other types of movement don't. And yes, I do plan other Charge tweaking (as I said in the Proposal, I think there's plenty more scope). >As someone who's submitted a Turn involving Charge, though, I'm beginning to >have my doubts about it. Having another document to refer to when I make my >move is slightly irksome. I float once more my "Venbacker numbers extracted >from the Station name" musing, but not very enthusiastically. Hmm. I don't really know what to say - granted that it is undoubtedly another document to look at, but it's quite a simple one. And, to be honest, I'd probably want a Venbacker lookup table anyway... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle URL: http://ukp6612.uk.oracle.com/dunx/index.html From Kevan Davis Wed Oct 7 06:53:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25676 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 13:53:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 13:53:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA31408 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:51:20 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA31404 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:51:15 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p09.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.9]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA24970 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:51:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:51:07 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810071351.OAA24970@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: help! Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>But, er, if you can't play the Action until you get there, and you need to >>play the Action to be *able* to get there, er, it all gets a bit Zen. > >Er... yes, I suppose so. I seem to recall trying to avoid conditional terms >like 'would' in the wording but, as you point out, the current form (IYPTP) >is more confusing if anything. I think that "A Player may play the Action [Opening MC] for free if eir Charge matches MC's Current." would probably be sufficient; you'd play it before your Move if you were going for a standard win, or after if you were Straddling. It changes the criteria (you'd no longer need to ride into MC with the correct charge, on a standard move), but doesn't really affect strategy too much - you'd just have to try and get a Charge of +18 before your Move rather than a Charge that would become +18 after a Move to MC. >>Am I completely missing the point, by the way, or [...] > >Not at all, not at all - the intention is that only normal Moves modify >Charge, whereas Straddles, Wilds, and other types of movement don't. Ah. Good point. (Wilds still would, but I see your point.) >And yes, I do plan other Charge tweaking (as I said in the Proposal, I >think there's plenty more scope). Tish. Of course you did. Me and my memory, eh? >>As someone who's submitted a Turn involving Charge, though, I'm beginning >to >>have my doubts about it. Having another document to refer to when I make my >>move is slightly irksome. I float once more my "Venbacker numbers extracted >>from the Station name" musing, but not very enthusiastically. > >Hmm. I don't really know what to say - granted that it is undoubtedly >another document to look at, but it's quite a simple one. [nods] I'm not sure if it'd be worth slipping into the Ruleset or not, really, or attempting to simplify so that we *could* just put it in as a Rule. Either way, I'll add it to the Mornomic Web page when I update the thing tonight. >And, to be >honest, I'd probably want a Venbacker lookup table anyway... Well, it'd just be something like "a Station's Venbacker number is equal to the number of letters in its name". But still rather fiddly and not very at-a-glance, I suppose. And dave commented:- >Didn't I say that before? Did anyone take any notice of me? Tch! I did, and it was the reason I Voted AGAINST the Proposals; I don't think I got around to actually commenting on the Proposals, though. Tsk. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I will roar from the stalls, I will gurgle from the circle." -- Morrissey, "Lucky Lisp" From kenningd@w... Wed Oct 7 07:10:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2217 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 14:10:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 14:10:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA32010 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:08:11 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA32006 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:08:07 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA28347; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:13:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:14:21 +0100 Message-Id: <98100715142144@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: help! X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Hmm. I don't really know what to say - granted that it is undoubtedly >another document to look at, but it's quite a simple one. And at least the current values remain constant, so you could just print off the list rather than have to look it up on the web every time. You never know, in time we may even learn the values... >>Didn't I say that before? Did anyone take any notice of me? Tch! > >I did, and it was the reason I Voted AGAINST the Proposals; I don't think >I got around to actually commenting on the Proposals, though. Tsk. I don't really have a right to comment since I forgot to vote. Anyway, like it or not (and I admit it's growing on me) it's in the rules now. dave From Wed Oct 7 07:50:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25371 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 14:50:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 14:50:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00338 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:48:13 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00335 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:48:09 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA07501 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:48:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 14:48:07 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA09958; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:48:05 +0100 Message-Id: <199810071448.PAA09958@uks447> Date: 07 Oct 98 15:45:33 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: help! X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 07-Oct-98 13:51 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Interesting, I appear to only be getting half the conversation at the moment - I have a long list message from dave waiting for me at home, but I haven't had it here yet. Don't know why... Anyway. >>>But, er, if you can't play the Action until you get there, and you need to >>>play the Action to be *able* to get there, er, it all gets a bit Zen. >> >>Er... yes, I suppose so. I seem to recall trying to avoid conditional terms >>like 'would' in the wording but, as you point out, the current form (IYPTP) >>is more confusing if anything. >I think that "A Player may play the Action [Opening MC] for free if eir >Charge matches MC's Current." would probably be sufficient; you'd play it >before your Move if you were going for a standard win, or after if you >were Straddling. It changes the criteria (you'd no longer need to ride >into MC with the correct charge, on a standard move), but doesn't really >affect strategy too much - you'd just have to try and get a Charge of +18 >before your Move rather than a Charge that would become +18 after a Move >to MC. Possibly, possibly... it would make the behaviour a bit inconsistent, though the benefits of easier wording might outweigh that. I'll have a think about it and put forward a modified version. I don't think there's sufficient urgency for an EP. >>>Am I completely missing the point, by the way, or [...] >> >>Not at all, not at all - the intention is that only normal Moves modify >>Charge, whereas Straddles, Wilds, and other types of movement don't. >Ah. Good point. (Wilds still would, but I see your point.) Yes, Wilds would wouldn't they? Bugger - that wasn't what I meant at all! >>>As someone who's submitted a Turn involving Charge, though, I'm beginning >>to >>>have my doubts about it. Having another document to refer to when I make my >>>move is slightly irksome. I float once more my "Venbacker numbers extracted >>>from the Station name" musing, but not very enthusiastically. >> >>Hmm. I don't really know what to say - granted that it is undoubtedly >>another document to look at, but it's quite a simple one. >[nods] I'm not sure if it'd be worth slipping into the Ruleset or not, >really, or attempting to simplify so that we *could* just put it in as >a Rule. Either way, I'll add it to the Mornomic Web page when I update >the thing tonight. Well, the formatting of the existing document is very loose - only one Station per line, no station abbreviations used, that sort of thing. There is certainly scope for more aggressive tabulation, although whatever we did I think it might be a bit big to shove into the ruleset (295 stations, best we could get would be three per line, which still makes for a 100 line section somewhere which is about the same length as all the Action tables combined). Still - as dave points out in his message (the recent one that I *have* seen), keeping a printout handy is a workable solution too. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Oct 7 08:12:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5290 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 15:12:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 15:12:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA00830 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:09:43 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00825 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:09:38 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA10549 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:09:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 15:09:37 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA12638; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:09:34 +0100 Message-Id: <199810071509.QAA12638@uks447> Date: 07 Oct 98 16:03:45 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Other Possible Current Documents MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I know we've already got the list of Station Currents, and that has to remain the definitive list, but would anyone be interested in other generated documents? The ones I've thought of so far are: - all possible journeys ordered by start Station: saves that subtraction misery by offering a lookup for all the possible changes to Charge. - all possible journeys ordered by Charge change: if you know what effect you want on your Charge, this offers a lookup for that effect so you can see where you should Move next. Any other ideas? This stuff wouldn't be core MN, just useful lookups to make strategic decisions a bit easier. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Elusive Wed Oct 7 13:10:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27919 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 20:10:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 20:10:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA08278 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:06:05 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08275 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:06:00 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p51.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.51]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA25106 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:05:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:05:56 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810072005.VAA25106@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" From: Elusive Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 10 | 0 | 4 1 5 1 3 2 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Jon | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 3 | 0 | 5 0 2 1 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 1 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 0 | 2 2 1 0 3 0 | +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1000 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Pigeon | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] Charing Cross (NT) [Catching Pigeon] [Blocking Embankment] { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit. Camden Town -> Warren Street -> Victoria -> Embankment -> Charing Cross -3 Black for line changes at Warren Street, Victoria and Embankment. +1 Silver for 6 interchanges. +1 Black for same 6 interchanges. +1 Black for moving to 3 liner. -0 Red for block (many thanks my dear Ruttsborough friend) } -- elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "Vengence you know it tastes so good. Vengence is as cold as ice" --Space, "Avenging Angels" From Elusive Wed Oct 7 13:36:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10925 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Oct 1998 20:36:17 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 1998 20:36:17 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09018 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:35:20 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09015 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:35:15 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p51.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.51]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA27018 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:35:10 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:35:10 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810072035.VAA27018@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" From: Elusive Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 10 | 0 | 6 1 5 1 3 2 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Jon | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 3 | 0 | 5 0 2 1 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 1 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 0 | 2 2 1 0 3 0 | +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1000 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Pigeon | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] Charing Cross (NT) [Catching Pigeon] [Blocking Embankment] { Comments: Sorry about this, made a silly mistake with my blacks. Tsk. Ludicrum tempus fugit. Camden Town -> Warren Street -> Victoria -> Embankment -> Charing Cross -1 Black for line changes at Warren Street, Victoria and Embankment. +1 Silver for 6 interchanges. +1 Black for same 6 interchanges. +1 Black for moving to 3 liner. -0 Red for block (many thanks my dear Ruttsborough friend) } -- elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "Vengence you know it tastes so good. Vengence is as cold as ice" --Space, "Avenging Angels" From Jonathan David Amery Wed Oct 7 17:45:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21191 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Oct 1998 00:45:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 1998 00:45:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA14431 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:44:27 +0100 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA14428 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:44:22 +0100 Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zR4Bq-0001x2-00 for l-nomic@f...; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:44:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:44:22 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Activate Module Jon. Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I go active - move will follow. -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### "The last human being on the Earth sat alone in a room. \'####### There was a knock on the door..." - Shortest SF story... From Jonathan David Amery Wed Oct 7 17:57:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27641 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Oct 1998 00:57:28 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 1998 00:57:28 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA14668 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:57:04 +0100 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA14660 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:56:59 +0100 Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zR4O3-0002B7-00 for l-nomic@f...; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:56:59 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:56:59 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Activate Module Jon. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote: > I go active - move will follow. > Well, once I've found the current list. Any hints? -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### "The last human being on the Earth sat alone in a room. \'####### There was a knock on the door..." - Shortest SF story... From Wed Oct 7 18:33:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13601 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Oct 1998 01:33:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 1998 01:33:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA15221 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:33:23 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA15218 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:33:16 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id LAA04606; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:33:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma004384; Thu, 8 Oct 98 11:32:41 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4F0840SD>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:32:40 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428C69@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: list traffic Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:32:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Farriers, I personally don't have a problem with the amount of traffic on the list, nor do I have a problem going through the subject lines finding the mail I want. I would find it severely annoying to have to subscribe to several lists to keep my current level of involvement; and I am also afraid of the so-called 'free' list services because of the possibility of junk email as a result of my subscription to them. I'm happy with the list as it is. Have fun, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Thu Oct 8 02:24:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16914 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Oct 1998 09:24:18 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 1998 09:24:18 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23833 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:22:53 +0100 Received: from inet16.us.oracle.com (inet16.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.100]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23826 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:22:42 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA21068 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA08972; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:18:53 +0100 Message-Id: <199810080918.KAA08972@uks447> Date: 08 Oct 98 09:41:34 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Activate Module Jon. X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 08-Oct-98 00:56 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> I go active - move will follow. >> > Well, once I've found the current list. Any hints? http://www.lazarus.demon.co.uk/mn/currents.htm ... at least until the list gets copied across to the official site. However, Julie's Move is illegal so I'd hang fire. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Thu Oct 8 02:24:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17178 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Oct 1998 09:24:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 1998 09:24:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23848 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:23:31 +0100 Received: from inet16.us.oracle.com (inet16.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.100]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23841 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:23:20 +0100 Received: from uks447 (uks447.uk.oracle.com [138.3.208.14]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA21426 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 02:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA09099; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:19:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199810080919.KAA09099@uks447> Date: 08 Oct 98 09:40:37 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 - Bzzzt on Julie X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 07-Oct-98 20:35 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Julie played: > Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] > [Blocking Euston] then: > Julie : [LV+3] Charing Cross (NT) [Catching Pigeon] [Blocking Embankment] Sorry, you've just moved through a Blocked Station. Rule 1.9.1 states: > A Block lasts for one round of Moves - the Station ceases to be Blocked > after the Player who played the Block Moves once more (or would have > Moved should e be Inactive). Also, you need to update your Charge - for this Move it would have been -10, but then this Move was illegal so that's not very useful information. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... Thu Oct 8 03:12:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4977 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Oct 1998 10:12:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 1998 10:12:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24898 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:10:12 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24893 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:10:07 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA11024; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:15:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:15:43 +0100 Message-Id: <98100811154355@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: list traffic X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I would find it severely annoying to have to subscribe to several >lists to keep my current level of involvement; Assuming the list maintainer was up for it, you could be 'automatically' subbed and unsubbed without lifting a finger. > and I am also afraid of the >so-called 'free' list services because of the possibility of junk email as a >result of my subscription to them. You'll be relieved to know that egroups is well and truly spam-proof -- you can never access any other user's full email address. >I'm happy with the list as it is. I don't have a problem with it as it is either, I just thought it might be useful to have separate lists. If you disagree, then fair enough. dave From Kevan Davis Thu Oct 8 04:12:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29162 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Oct 1998 11:12:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 1998 11:12:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26265 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:11:04 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26242 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:10:58 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p06.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.6]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA13960 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:10:53 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:10:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810081110.MAA13960@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: RE: MN: list traffic Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) dave said:- >I was thinking of something prosaic like mn-game11@egroups.com but your idea >sounds much better. Speaking of Game 11, I suppose the Long Game would work better if carried out on a separate mailing list which Players could ignore if they didn't fancy the spam. Hmm. >The other good thing about dedicated mailing lists would be >that you could set up the header to put 'Game X Game State Document' in the >subject line automatically. Er, I trust that you mean your mailer would do such things, rather than the list itself. We would, after all, want to Buzz and discuss Buzzes in the Lounges. Paul said:- >I personally don't have a problem with the amount of traffic on the list, >nor do I have a problem going through the subject lines finding the mail I >want. Me neither as it stands; I think such is a case of the Games filling the space available, though - with five "Lounges" open to us, we'd be happier to have several games with just a few people in. Up until now, we've really just tended to have one or two many-Player games on the go at once. >I would find it severely annoying to have to subscribe to several >lists to keep my current level of involvement; I don't think it's that bad, really. You can subscribe to all five if you wish it, and by having a different "MN-*:" prefix for each lounge, it's even easier to sort the things, Buzzes and all. The only slightly irksome business would be subscribing and unsubscribing as you leave and join games, but I imagine it would be the work of a moment to add a section to the main Mornomic page, with appropriate fill-in forms... >and I am also afraid of the >so-called 'free' list services because of the possibility of junk email as a >result of my subscription to them. Garden Nomic's been using an eGroups list for a couple of months now, and we've not had a single bit of junk on there; I've also been on the Half Man Half Biscuit eGroups list for a while, and there's only been one junk mail (fairly modest, and made by a naif rather than a corporate fiend). I confess I'm as wary as the next man of such things, but eGroups do seem applaudably careful about such things, even to the point of subscribers' email addresses being corrupted with a hyphen to stop Web-trawling address-hunters getting any treasure. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Drinking different-coloured wines or beers, just quite frankly leaves me bored to tears." -- The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band, "I'm Bored" From Jonathan David Amery Thu Oct 8 06:40:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7703 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Oct 1998 13:39:59 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 1998 13:39:59 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA30022 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:39:19 +0100 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA30019 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:39:15 +0100 Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zRGHg-0002q5-00 for l-nomic@f...; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:39:12 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:39:12 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Activate Module Jon. In-Reply-To: <199810080918.KAA08972@uks447> Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On 8 Oct 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > >> I go active - move will follow. > >> > > Well, once I've found the current list. Any hints? > > http://www.lazarus.demon.co.uk/mn/currents.htm > > ... at least until the list gets copied across to the official site. > > However, Julie's Move is illegal so I'd hang fire. > Thanks. And fine. -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### "The last human being on the Earth sat alone in a room. \'####### There was a knock on the door..." - Shortest SF story... From duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) Thu Oct 8 22:44:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24526 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Oct 1998 05:44:00 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 1998 05:44:00 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA18527 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:43:15 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA18524 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:43:11 +0100 Received: from [158.152.31.180] (helo=lazarus.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRVKY-00011a-00 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 05:43:11 +0000 From: duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Charge Discussion Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 05:40:14 GMT Message-ID: <361da15e.1063136@p...> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id GAA18525 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Finally got round to publishing my discussion of Charges and Currents (or: extract from a mail message, if you prefer). http://www.lazarus.demon.co.uk/mn/charge-discussion.txt Apologies fro not uploading this before - other things intruded. Cheers. Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From Fri Oct 9 02:32:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21077 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Oct 1998 09:32:53 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 1998 09:32:53 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22971 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:31:54 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22967 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:31:48 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA11427 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:31:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 9 Oct 1998 09:31:46 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA14669; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:31:44 +0100 Message-Id: <199810090931.KAA14669@uks447> Date: 09 Oct 98 10:04:22 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 03-Oct-98 10:59 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 6 | 0 | 7 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 0 | 3 1 6 2 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 0 | 6 2 1 0 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 7 | 0 | 5 0 1 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | -4 | 11 3 6 1 0 5 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 0 | 3 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 0 | 6 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | -4 | 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1500 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (T,V), Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar, *Zones 1-6 Pass* | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | ReBu | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Token Running] Manor House (PD) Grimace : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Token Running] Notting Hill Gate (DS) [Busking] Julie : [LV-2] [Token Running] Chesham (MP) Dunx : [LV+1] Notting Hill Gate (DS via HC) [Shunting Grimace to Kensington Olympia (DS)] [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [Reshuffling] { Comment: Apologies for the delay... must have been a busy day when Julie's Move arrived. Nabbing the Gold that Grimace just got, converting it into an all Zones Pass and squirreling the Pass away so Grimace can't immediately nab it off me. In full: adding Charge and Green (Gr) Token columns 10 mins -1 Bk (Move with Line Change - vapour) +1 Bk (3 line Interchange) 10 mins -1 Re (Shunt - vapour) +1 Go (Shunt theft) 0 mins -1 Go, +8 Br (bureau de change - vapour) 10 mins -8 Br (purchasing - vapour) 10 mins (rearranging) ------- 40 mins Game Time advanced My charge prior to Shunt = 0 + 30 - 38 = -8 Grimace's charge ditto = 0 Mutual Charge after Shunt = (-8 + 0) / 2 = -4 LVs zeroed, of course. Perfectly simple, really. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Julie Craddock Sat Oct 10 04:31:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 14 | 6 1 5 2 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | |*Jon | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 14 | 5 0 2 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 1 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 0 | 2 2 1 0 3 0 | +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1000 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] { Ludicrum tempus fugit. -0 Red for the shunt (Muahaha) +1 Gold for me from my friend Dunx. +1 Black for same line. Updated the mean charge for my "mean" shunt on Dunx. =) } -- elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "And all I know for sure, all I know for real, is knowing doesn't mean so much." --Sisters of Mercy, "Some Kind of Stranger" From Sun Oct 11 21:47:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:35:43 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 9 | 27 | 7 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 0 | 3 1 6 2 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 0 | 6 2 1 0 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 7 | 0 | 5 0 1 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | -4 | 11 3 6 1 0 5 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 0 | 3 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 0 | 6 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | -4 | 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1600 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (T,V), Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar, *Zones 1-6 Pass* | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | ReBu | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Token Running] Manor House (PD) Grimace : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Token Running] Notting Hill Gate (DS) [Busking] Julie : [LV-2] [Token Running] Chesham (MP) Dunx : [LV+1] Notting Hill Gate (DS via HC) [Shunting Grimace to Kensington Olympia (DS)] [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [Reshuffling] PaulWay : [LV+3] Edgware (NT) { Comment: 10mins : LV boost 10mins +1Bk : Same-line move Charge: 0(initial) + 49(Edgware) - 22(Camden Town) = 27. Game time updated, of course. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNiD6gMtA22MsBS7iEQLKNACgwRF91HIbk2lShK3bz03egBkDpNQAnAhf DS/rPCRh//1SZF5EtIj1NQZW =li/R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Mon Oct 12 07:23:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24187 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Oct 1998 14:23:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 1998 14:23:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11151 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:22:53 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11148 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:22:48 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA06114 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:22:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 12 Oct 1998 14:22:46 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA14466; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:22:43 +0100 Message-Id: <199810121422.PAA14466@uks447> Date: 12 Oct 98 14:33:09 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 - Julie's Over-Speedy Shunt (It's a Buzz, Alright?) X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 10-Oct-98 11:30 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Julie moved: > Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Curses. Well played, there. I was going to object that you couldn't Shunt someone back to your starting point, but that condition appears to have been removed. There is the small matter of your LV, though: your LV was 10 when you were at Camden Town, and you've added three. Since High Barnet is exactly 10 stops away from Camden Town, you've played a duff Move. Over-enthusiastic cut and paste, I assume. Unfortunately, since your replacement move for your illegal move is itself illegal you must forfeit a token (Rule 1.16.4). Oh dear, how sad. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Jonathan David Amery Mon Oct 12 07:25:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25093 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Oct 1998 14:25:17 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 1998 14:25:17 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11179 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:24:46 +0100 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11176 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:24:42 +0100 Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zSitr-0007Y7-00 for l-nomic@f...; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:24:39 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:24:39 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - Julie's Over-Speedy Shunt (It's a Buzz, Alright?) In-Reply-To: <199810121422.PAA14466@uks447> Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On 12 Oct 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > Julie moved: > > Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] > > Curses. Well played, there. > > I was going to object that you couldn't Shunt someone back to your > starting point, but that condition appears to have been removed. > > There is the small matter of your LV, though: your LV was 10 when you were > at Camden Town, and you've added three. Since High Barnet is exactly 10 > stops away from Camden Town, you've played a duff Move. Over-enthusiastic > cut and paste, I assume. > > Unfortunately, since your replacement move for your illegal move is itself > illegal you must forfeit a token (Rule 1.16.4). Oh dear, how sad. > Someone remind me - has that move now been forfitted or what? -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### "Senji, a fifteenth century practitioner of alchemy at the \'####### university in the imperial city was notorious for his ineptitude" - Senji From Mon Oct 12 08:11:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16237 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Oct 1998 15:11:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 1998 15:11:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12241 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:10:39 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12238 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:10:35 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA11872 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:10:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 12 Oct 1998 15:10:32 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA22094; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 16:10:30 +0100 Message-Id: <199810121510.QAA22094@uks447> Date: 12 Oct 98 16:03:10 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - Julie's Over-Speedy Shunt (It's a Buzz, Alright?) X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 12-Oct-98 14:24 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Jon wrote: >> Unfortunately, since your replacement move for your illegal move is itself >> illegal you must forfeit a token (Rule 1.16.4). Oh dear, how sad. >> > Someone remind me - has that move now been forfitted or what? No - it's a kinder world now. After the first replacement move, you lose a token of your choice for each duff move you post. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle URL: http://ukp6612.uk.oracle.com/dunx/index.html From Julie Craddock Mon Oct 12 08:53:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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From: Julie Craddock Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - Julie's Over-Speedy Shunt (It's a Buzz, Alright?) Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Julie moved: >> Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] > >Curses. Well played, there. > >I was going to object that you couldn't Shunt someone back to your >starting point, but that condition appears to have been removed. > >There is the small matter of your LV, though: your LV was 10 when you were >at Camden Town, and you've added three. Since High Barnet is exactly 10 >stops away from Camden Town, you've played a duff Move. Over-enthusiastic >cut and paste, I assume. > >Unfortunately, since your replacement move for your illegal move is itself >illegal you must forfeit a token (Rule 1.16.4). Oh dear, how sad. If you check back to Kevan's and PaulWay's GSD before mine, you'll see that my LV was in fact 7 when I was at Camden Town. So I'd have to disagree with your Buzz, sir. Julie From Mon Oct 12 09:32:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29254 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Oct 1998 16:32:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 1998 16:32:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14027 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:29:41 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14023 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:29:37 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23905 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:29:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 12 Oct 1998 16:29:36 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA02427; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 17:29:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199810121629.RAA02427@uks447> Date: 12 Oct 98 17:14:24 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - Julie's Over-Speedy Shunt (It's a Buzz, Alright?) X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 12-Oct-98 15:52 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >If you check back to Kevan's and PaulWay's GSD before mine, you'll see that >my LV was in fact 7 when I was at Camden Town. So I'd have to disagree with >your Buzz, sir. *blush* Yes, you're quite right. For some reason, I had looked at your first GSD on this Turn (where you also hade an LV of 10) and took as your base LV for your new, improved, and (above all) completely legal GSD. I withdraw the Buzz and offer my apologies. Jon, over to you. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Jonathan David Amery Mon Oct 12 10:30:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25726 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Oct 1998 17:30:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 1998 17:30:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA15427 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:28:39 +0100 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15422 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:28:32 +0100 Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zSlln-00049f-00 for l-nomic@f...; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:28:31 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 18:28:31 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Re Si | +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 14 | 6 1 5 2 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 14 | 5 0 2 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 1 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 0 | 2 2 1 0 3 0 | +------------+----------------------+----+----+-------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1100 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] { Ludicrum tempus fugit. -0 Red for the block. +1 Black for same line. } From Tue Oct 13 02:57:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13044 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Oct 1998 09:57:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 09:57:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02261 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:56:45 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02254 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:56:37 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25559 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:56:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from uksn43.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 09:56:35 UT Received: by uksn43 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03126; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:56:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199810130956.KAA03126@uksn43> Date: 13 Oct 98 10:46:45 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UNX8.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 12-Oct-98 17:28 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id KAA02255 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 14 | 6 1 5 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 2 | 20 | 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 1 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 0 | 2 2 1 0 0 3 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1200 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] { Comment: In full: Green Token column added 10 mins (LV tweak) 10 mins +1 Bk (same line Move) 5 mins -1 Bk (Token placement) 10 mins (hatstand - verdant) 20 mins (hat pin) ------- 55 mins Game Time advanced Charge adjusted (+6) } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Tue Oct 13 06:43:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28247 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Oct 1998 13:43:34 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 13:43:34 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08159 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:41:52 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08156 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:41:46 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p12.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.12]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA22565 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:41:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:41:34 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810131341.OAA22565@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 25: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Twenty-Five ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 519 - Recharge [Multiple] { Comment: Clearer explanations and less ambiguous wording, as discussed on the list. } [Amendment: Current Bun] Amend Rule 1.19.1 (Current) to read as follows: "Every Station on the LU map has a Current value associated with it, this value being directly related to its distance from the Meridian on the map. These distances are termed 'radial distances' since they can be treated as forming the radii of circles centred on the Meridian. "The Current of a Station is the radial distance of that Station divided by the largest radial distance (that is the radial distance of Station farthest from the Meridian on the Map) expressed as an integer percentage. It is calculated using the formula - " Current = int(station_radius / max_radius * 100) "... where 'int' is a function which removes the real part of a number, 'station_radius' is the radial distance of the Station under consideration and 'max_radius' is the radial distance of the remotest Station. "The benefit of defining Current as a ratio is that it removes the units used for measurement of radial distances from consideration. "As an example, let us calculate the Current of Mornington Crescent itself. The units used are pixels as measured on the Map. Following these measurements, it was found that Amersham was the farthest Station from the Meridian. The relevant radial distances are as follows: " Mornington Crescent - 141.57 pixels " Amersham - 774.68 pixels "... so the calculation works out thus: Current = int(station_radius / max_radius * 100) = int(141.57 / 774.68 * 100) = int(0.1827 * 100) = int(18.27) = 18" { Comment: Just a bit more detail on how the calculations can be carried out although, as I say, you're better off doing them automatically. } [Amendment: Positive Charge] Amend Rule 1.19.2 (Charge) so that the the second paragraph reads as follows: "Charge is modified by normal Piece movement: the Piece's Charge has added to it the difference between the Currents at the start and end Stations using the following formula:" { Comment: I never meant for Charge to be affected by Wilds... careless. } [Amendment: Cannon to the Left of Them] Amend Rule 1.19.3 (Charge of the Heavy Brigade) to read as follows: "A Player may play the Action [Opening MC] for no cost if the Charge of eir Piece matches or would match the Current of Mornington Crescent Station (both in sign and value) at the point at which eir Piece enters the Station. "For example, if the Current of MC is 18 and a Player's Piece starts at Camden Town (Current = 22) then the Piece must have a Charge of 22 to play the [Opening MC] Action without cost since a Move from Camden Town to MC would remove 4 from the Piece's Charge. "Similarly, if a Player intends to play a Straddle onto MC then e must arrange that eir Piece's Charge must be equal to that of MC at the point at which the Straddle is played." { Comment: I'm sticking to my original definition (albeit with a 'would' clause added), but adding some more commentary to clarify what's going on. } [End of Recharge] { Comment: I'm holding off on additional tweaks for now until Charge has been in play for a little while longer. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 520 - Pegaholic [Multiple] { Comment: Just a couple of tweaks to clarify Pegging and make the Actions Post-Move as they should have been in the first place. } [Amendment: Just Missed the Post] Move the Action entries for Pegging and Unpegging from Rule 1.7.16 (Neutral Actions) to 1.7.15 (Post-Move Actions). [Amendment: (Daddy's Got a Brand New) Peg Bag] Amend Rule 1.11.4 (Peg Leg) such the first bullet point reads thus: " * no Piece may finish any Turn at a Pegged Station. Hence a Pegged Station may not be used as the destination of a Move (unless the Piece leaves that Station before the end of the Turn), Straddle, Shunt, Wild, or any other Action which modifies the position of any Piece where that is final destination of the Piece " Replace the last two paragraphs with the following text: "A Player may Peg a Station by playing the Post-Move Action [Pegging ] on any Station which eir Piece starts at, passes through, or is adjacent to at the end of eir Move provided that the Station is unoccupied. "A Station is Unpegged by the Post-Move Action [Unpegging ] which may be played on any Pegged Station which the Actioning Player's Piece passes through or is adjacent to at the end of eir Move." { Comment: That last just replaces 'Neutral' with 'Post-Move'. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 521 - You Missed A Bit [Multiple] { Comment: Just a couple of niceties I missed out when putting forward Charge and Green Tokens. } [Amendment: Green Around the Gills] Amend Rule 1.1.8 (Joining In) such that the bullet point referring to initial Token totals reads as follows: " * E has two Black Tokens, no Blue Tokens, two Red Tokens, no Green Tokens, two Bronze Tokens, no Silver Tokens and no Gold Tokens." [Amendment: Guilty as Charged] Amend Rule 1.2.0 (The Game State Document) such that its second paragraph reads thus: "A table shall be included at the top of the GSD to list order of play; Status of Players (names of Inactive Players shall be marked with an asterisk); Players' respective Home Stations, LV, Charge and Token counts. It shall be modelled on the following example:" Further, make the GSD template read thus: +---------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +---------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 | | Rushton | Balham | 3 | 17 | 2 0 7 0 4 0 0 | | Cryer | Bethnal Green | 1 | 14 | 2 8 6 3 1 4 1 | | Brooke-Taylor | Mudchute | 0 | 0 | 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 | +---------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ { Comment: Also regularises the template so it looks like the one we actually use (tokens in the right order, fewer column borders) } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 522 - Bip. Bip. Bip. Beeeeep. [Amendment] In Rule 0.6.2 (The Week-End), replace "GMT" with "GMT, or BST if British Summer Time is in effect". { Comments : We're nearly out of the clutches of BST anyway, but the counter-intuitive claimed use of BST is rather irksome. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 523 - I'll Speak More Slowly [Multiple] 1. Which Part Of "Outside" Didn't You Understand? [Amendment] In Rule 1.4.25 (Release the Pigeons!), replace "Park Station" with "Park Station in Zone 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7". 2. Well, You Didn't Complain Last Time [Amendment] In Rule 2.8.3 (An Englishman's Home), replace "Players may not choose a Home Station outside of Zone 4" with "Players may not choose a Home Station in Zone 5, 6 or 7". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 524 - Clear Your Desks [Multiple] 1. Drink Up, Sir [Other, Resignation] Jonathan shall be forced to Resign. 2. Haven't You Got Homes To Go To? [Other, Resignation] Yer_Mom shall also be forced to Resign, damn him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 525 - Da da, dee da dah, de dah dah dah, de dah... [Multiple] 1. Upon this proposal passing, all players will take posession of a confetti-filled baloon, listed in the luggage rack. 2. Add Action of [Popping Baloon]. If in posession of a confetti-filled baloon, a player may perform the action of [Popping Baloon], cost 0, duration 0 mins. The player in question may then add decorative ASCII confetti to the relevent GSD above the token table. The baloon is removed from the Player's luggage rack. 3. Confetti lasts one round of Turns, and each Player is responsible for collecting their confetti. 4. When all confetti-filled baloons have been popped, all relevent rules will automatically repeal. { Comment: Mr. (PhD. thesis to be examined) Richard Michael Brockie (alias miKi) married Dr. Fiona Lucy Plows on Friday!!! Help us celebrate! } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Kevan Davis Tue Oct 13 06:43:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28439 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Oct 1998 13:43:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 13:43:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08151 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:41:41 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08148 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:41:37 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p12.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.12]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA22554 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:41:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:41:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810131341.OAA22554@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 25: Voting Results for Week 24 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 516 He Shoots, He Scores 4 1 - 3 Amends 2.8.2/5 517 Desperate Measures 3 1 1 3 Amends 1.4.18 518 It Came From Quadrant Zero 4 1 - 3 Amends 1.17.2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 516 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - FOR PAS FOR - - 517 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - FOR PAS AGA - - 518 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - FOR PAS FOR - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 6 32 13 0 29 21 26 10 6 0 Halved: 3 16 6 0 10 13 5 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +11 +0 +0 AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 I -0 -1 -0 -0 I Decisiveness: +0 +3 +3 +0 n +3 +3 +3 +0 n Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 -0 a -0 -0 -0 -0 a c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 t +0 +0 +0 +0 t EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 i -0 -0 -0 -0 i Finger/Pulse: +0 +5 +5 +0 v +5 +5 +0 +0 v e e Award Ceremony: +0 +0 +0 +0 +3 +3 +0 +2 [a] ---------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +0 +8 +8 +0 +11 +21 +3 +2 Final Kudos: 3 24 14 0 29 21 34 8 5 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 2 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 2 3 [b] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - none Clever Bear Award - Julie (for Shunting Dunx) Down-Underground Award - +2 For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) [b] Ah, the joy of strange quirks. Jon's Apathy Level was 3 from whenever e left the Game before - rejoining and doing nothing puts eir Apathy Level up to 4, which means nothing (except that it'll hit 3 again if e Votes next Week, and make em Inactive). Pft and nonsense, eh? From Jonathan David Amery Tue Oct 13 06:49:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31896 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Oct 1998 13:49:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 13:49:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08348 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:48:22 +0100 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08345 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:48:19 +0100 Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 0zT4oE-0000xn-00 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:48:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:48:18 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan David Amery To: Mornington Nomic Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 25: Voting Results for Week 24 In-Reply-To: <199810131341.OAA22554@c...> Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Apathy Level: 2 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 2 3 [b] > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [b] Ah, the joy of strange quirks. Jon's Apathy Level was 3 from whenever > e left the Game before - rejoining and doing nothing puts eir Apathy > Level up to 4, which means nothing (except that it'll hit 3 again if > e Votes next Week, and make em Inactive). Pft and nonsense, eh? > D'OH! -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### "Senji, a fifteenth century practitioner of alchemy at the \'####### university in the imperial city was notorious for his ineptitude" - Senji From Tue Oct 13 07:28:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19705 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Oct 1998 14:28:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 14:28:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09415 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:27:12 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09409 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:27:07 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA10368 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:27:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 14:27:06 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA22979; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:27:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199810131427.PAA22979@uks447> Date: 13 Oct 98 15:23:44 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 25: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 13-Oct-98 13:41 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) The Week's Proposals included: >Proposal 519 - Recharge [Multiple] >Proposal 520 - Pegaholic [Multiple] >Proposal 521 - You Missed A Bit [Multiple] I'll claim these up front (like you couldn't have worked it out anyway...). Apologies for clogging up the Week's Proposals with my attempts at clearing up past failures. BTW, when I say I'm holding off on additional tweaks to Charge until it's been in play a little longer, I mean either a few more Weeks or after someone wins with a Charge match (which could be quite soon, you never know). >Proposal 522 - Bip. Bip. Bip. Beeeeep. [Amendment] Fair enough. We might want a list announcement to that effect as these things change over, I suppose, but it hardly seems worth it. >Proposal 523 - I'll Speak More Slowly [Multiple] > >1. Which Part Of "Outside" Didn't You Understand? [Amendment] The part where 'outside' means 'not in'. The use of the words 'greater than' would have helped. >2. Well, You Didn't Complain Last Time [Amendment] Oh dear, intermittent tweezers. >Proposal 524 - Clear Your Desks [Multiple] So presumably that means that Game 7 completely dies? It's probably for the best - by the time Jonathan comes back, the Ruleset will be so different to the one that Game was begun under that the boundaries of reality will be strained more than is usually safe. >Proposal 525 - Da da, dee da dah, de dah dah dah, de dah... [Multiple] Congratulations sir, and to your good lady wife also! I might hold off from pinging a timeout in Game 9 for the moment, then. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Oct 13 07:38:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26008 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Oct 1998 14:38:34 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 14:38:34 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09716 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:37:01 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09713 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:36:55 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12144 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:36:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 14:36:53 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA27275; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:36:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199810131436.PAA27275@uks447> Date: 13 Oct 98 15:33:51 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 25: Voting Results for Week 24 X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 13-Oct-98 13:41 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Clever Bear Award - Julie (for Shunting Dunx) Well-deserved. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... Tue Oct 13 07:40:22 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27208 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Oct 1998 14:40:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 14:40:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09772 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:39:23 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09767 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:39:19 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA29710; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:44:57 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:39:31 +0100 Message-Id: <98101315393189@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 25: Proposals X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Proposal 522 - Bip. Bip. Bip. Beeeeep. [Amendment] >Fair enough. We might want a list announcement to that effect as these >things change over, I suppose, but it hardly seems worth it. It hardly seems fair on PaulWay. >>1. Which Part Of "Outside" Didn't You Understand? [Amendment] >The part where 'outside' means 'not in'. The use of the words 'greater >than' would have helped. How is Zone 5 'greater than' Zone 4? The number 5 may be greater than the number 4, but in this case the 'numbers' are arbitrary signifiers with very little semantic content other than the fact of their difference (it may as well be Zone Wibble and Zone Artichoke), and not being used to refer to different quantitative values (each number refers to only a single zone). Since they are being used here to differentiate geographical areas arranged concentrically, I think it is perfectly clear what 'outside' means in the context, and picking on the definition like this is not only extremely pedantic, but just plain WRONG. But that's just my opinion. >>Proposal 524 - Clear Your Desks [Multiple] >So presumably that means that Game 7 completely dies? ...or Kevan just keeps taking eir turn till e wins. >>Proposal 525 - Da da, dee da dah, de dah dah dah, de dah... [Multiple] >Congratulations sir, and to your good lady wife also! Yes, well done. Many years of happiness etc. dave From Tue Oct 13 08:16:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17470 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Oct 1998 15:16:57 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 15:16:57 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10696 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:15:52 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10689 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:15:46 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA18542 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:15:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from uksn43.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 15:15:45 UT Received: by uksn43 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA16267; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:15:43 +0100 Message-Id: <199810131515.QAA16267@uksn43> Date: 13 Oct 98 16:11:30 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 25: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UNX8.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 13-Oct-98 14:39 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id QAA10692 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>>Proposal 522 - Bip. Bip. Bip. Beeeeep. [Amendment] >>Fair enough. We might want a list announcement to that effect as these >>things change over, I suppose, but it hardly seems worth it. >It hardly seems fair on PaulWay. Actually, I would have thought PaulWay would be one of those least affected since whatever temporal standard we adopt it's going to happen in the middle of the night as far as he's concerned. (Paul - apologies for speaking for you, but I don't recall you've ever posted after about 9 or 10 pm your time) >>>1. Which Part Of "Outside" Didn't You Understand? [Amendment] >>The part where 'outside' means 'not in'. The use of the words 'greater >>than' would have helped. >How is Zone 5 'greater than' Zone 4? I didn't mean to imply that. I meant that the original Proposal could have been worded to say that the Zone number must be greater than 2, or something. I also mean to come across as quite so terse. > The number 5 may be greater than the >number 4, but in this case the 'numbers' are arbitrary signifiers with very >little semantic content other than the fact of their difference (it may as >well be Zone Wibble and Zone Artichoke), and not being used to refer to >different quantitative values (each number refers to only a single zone). I absolutely agree. >Since >they are being used here to differentiate geographical areas arranged >concentrically, I think it is perfectly clear what 'outside' means in the >context, and picking on the definition like this is not only extremely >pedantic, but just plain WRONG. I disagree, primarily because it is possible to buy a Zone Card for an individual Zone. If you move outside of that Zone (ie if you are no longer within it) then you no longer gain the Zone Card bonus. Basically, when we refer to Zone 2 we mean *only* Zone 2, not the union of Zones 1 and 2. What it comes down to is that 'outside' is a flexible term when applied to any shape more topologically complex than a circle. >But that's just my opinion. And I've just stated mine. Since there are quite clearly differing opinions, the safest course is to use wording which avoids the contentious terms, which is what the amendment does very effectively. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Tue Oct 13 08:40:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32003 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Oct 1998 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 15:40:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11324 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:38:28 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11320 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:38:23 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA01529 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:38:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:38:20 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 9 | 27 | 7 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 0 | 3 1 6 2 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 0 | 6 2 1 0 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 7 | 0 | 5 0 1 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | -4 | 11 3 6 1 0 5 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 0 | 3 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 0 | 6 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | -4 | 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1600 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (T,V), Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar, *Zones 1-6 Pass* | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | ReBu | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Token Running] Manor House (PD) Grimace : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Token Running] Notting Hill Gate (DS) [Busking] Julie : [LV-2] [Token Running] Chesham (MP) Dunx : [LV+1] Notting Hill Gate (DS via HC) [Shunting Grimace to Kensington Olympia (DS)] [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [Reshuffling] PaulWay : [LV+3] Edgware (NT) miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) [Claiming Blue Token from Bethnal Green] { Comment: +1 Bk for same line, +1 Br for zone pass, +2 Bu from Pass, Game time, dC = 0. Apologies for the delay - getting wed and all that! Honeymoon? What honeymoon! Ah yes, we are moving to California in November... tee hee... } --- miKi From kenningd@w... Tue Oct 13 08:42:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 558 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Oct 1998 15:42:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 15:42:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11414 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:41:13 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11409 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:41:08 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA11939; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:46:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:33:18 +0100 Message-Id: <98101316331889@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 25: Proposals X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I disagree, primarily because it is possible to buy a Zone Card for an >individual Zone. If you move outside of that Zone (ie if you are no longer >within it) then you no longer gain the Zone Card bonus. Basically, when we >refer to Zone 2 we mean *only* Zone 2, not the union of Zones 1 and 2. This is true, but that's a different context and a slightly different meaning of 'outside'. Just because the same word is used different ways in different parts of the rules doesn't necessarily mean there's a conflict or ambiguity -- such is the nature of the english language: one word can have more than one meaning. My point is simply that the context in each case makes the meaning clear and unambiguous. >Since there are quite clearly differing opinions, the safest course is to >use wording which avoids the contentious terms, which is what the amendment >does very effectively. Well, there's certainly no arguing with the truth of that, and if I remember to vote this week, I'll probably vote for this proposal, regardless of what I may have to say on the matter. dave From Tue Oct 13 12:40:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9384 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Oct 1998 19:40:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 19:40:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA17793 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:39:16 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17790 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:39:09 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA15540 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:39:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 19:39:08 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA00759; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:39:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199810131939.UAA00759@uks447> Date: 13 Oct 98 16:26:23 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 25: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 13-Oct-98 15:11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I also mean to come across as quite so terse. Insert a "didn't" between "also" and "mean" - as if would be deliberately rude... except in the Ruttsborough game, of course, but that's just in the spirit. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Oct 13 12:41:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10156 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Oct 1998 19:41:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 19:41:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA17841 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:40:28 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17837 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:40:22 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA15736 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:40:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 13 Oct 1998 19:40:21 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA00883; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:40:19 +0100 Message-Id: <199810131940.UAA00883@uks447> Date: 13 Oct 98 16:50:14 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 9 - Bijou Buzzette on miKi X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 13-Oct-98 15:38 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) You haven't updated your token totals or the Game Time. > What honeymoon! Ah yes, we are moving to California in November... > tee hee... Nice place. There's a rather good motel we stayed in up on the Sonoma coast which I'd recommend should you be going that far North. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Richard Brockie Wed Oct 14 03:18:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14846 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Oct 1998 10:18:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 1998 10:18:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02740 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:17:23 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02737 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:17:19 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA20120 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:17:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:17:18 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 - Bijou Buzzette on miKi In-Reply-To: <199810131940.UAA00883@uks447> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On 13 Oct 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > You haven't updated your token totals or the Game Time. I realised this on the way in this morning - shall be remidied shortly... > > What honeymoon! Ah yes, we are moving to California in November... > > tee hee... > > Nice place. There's a rather good motel we stayed in up on the Sonoma coast > which I'd recommend should you be going that far North. I have relatives in British Columbia, so a tour up the West coast seems to be quite likely. Where is this motel of which you speak? --- R. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Brockie B.Sc.(Hons), The tall blond one. Adaptive Optics Chap. Email: R.Brockie@r... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://www.roe.ac.uk/rmbwww =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From Richard Brockie Wed Oct 14 03:22:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16513 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Oct 1998 10:22:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 1998 10:22:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02774 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:19:18 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02771 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:19:14 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA18019 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:19:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:19:12 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 9 | 27 | 7 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 0 | 4 4 7 2 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 0 | 0 | 6 2 1 0 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 7 | 0 | 5 0 1 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | -4 | 11 3 6 1 0 5 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 0 | 3 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 0 | 6 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | -4 | 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 1700 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (T,V), Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar, *Zones 1-6 Pass* | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | ReBu | Angel | Bu | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Token Running] Manor House (PD) Grimace : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Token Running] Notting Hill Gate (DS) [Busking] Julie : [LV-2] [Token Running] Chesham (MP) Dunx : [LV+1] Notting Hill Gate (DS via HC) [Shunting Grimace to Kensington Olympia (DS)] [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [Reshuffling] PaulWay : [LV+3] Edgware (NT) miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) [Claiming Blue Token from Bethnal Green] { Comment: +1 Bk for same line, +1 Br for zone pass, +2 Bu from Pass, +1 Bu from Bethnal Green, Game time, dCh = 0. Apologies for the delay - getting wed and all that! Honeymoon? What honeymoon! Ah yes, we are moving to California in November... tee hee... } --- miKi From Kevan Davis Wed Oct 14 04:19:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic Mailing List From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 9 | 27 | 7 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 0 | 4 4 7 2 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 3 | 0 | 7 1 1 0 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 7 | 0 | 5 0 1 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | -4 | 11 3 6 1 0 5 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 0 | 3 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 0 | 6 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | -4 | 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 2000 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (T,V), Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar, *Zones 1-6 Pass* | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | ReBu | Heathrow 1,2,3 | Re | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Token Running] Manor House (PD) Grimace : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Token Running] Notting Hill Gate (DS) [Busking] Julie : [LV-2] [Token Running] Chesham (MP) Dunx : [LV+1] Notting Hill Gate (DS via HC) [Shunting Grimace to Kensington Olympia (DS)] [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [Reshuffling] PaulWay : [LV+3] Edgware (NT) miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) [Claiming Blue Token from Bethnal Green] Kevan : [LV+3] [Game Time: +0200] Angel (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token From Angel] [Blocking Kings Cross St Pancras] { Comment: Ludicrum tempus fugit. +1 Red for passing two Interchanges -1 Red for the Block (Heathrow Terminals 1,2,3) +1 Black for a same-Liner Charge = Initial (0) + Angel (21) - Bank (21) = 0 } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Angel, oh, angel; here to brighten up my darkest day." -- Space, "Avenging Angels" From kenningd@w... Wed Oct 14 09:39:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7725 invoked by uid 7770); 14 Oct 1998 16:39:27 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 1998 16:39:27 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12165 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:38:30 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA12160 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:38:23 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA30787; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:43:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:25:19 +0100 Message-Id: <98101417251900@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 Game State Document X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 9 | 27 | 7 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 0 | 4 4 7 2 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 3 | 0 | 7 1 1 0 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 5 | 13 | 4 0 2 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | -4 | 11 3 6 1 0 5 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 0 | 3 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 0 | 6 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | -4 | 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 2100 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T,V) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (B,T,V), Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar, *Zones 1-6 Pass* | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBkBk | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | ReBu | Heathrow 1,2,3 | Re | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Token Running] Manor House (PD) Grimace : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Token Running] Notting Hill Gate (DS) [Busking] Julie : [LV-2] [Token Running] Chesham (MP) Dunx : [LV+1] Notting Hill Gate (DS via HC) [Shunting Grimace to Kensington Olympia (DS)] [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [Reshuffling] PaulWay : [LV+3] Edgware (NT) miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) [Claiming Blue Token from Bethnal Green] Kevan : [LV+3] [Game Time: +0200] Angel (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token From Angel] [Blocking Kings Cross St Pancras] dave : [LV-2] Walthamstow Central (VC, via PD, VC) [Collecting Hat (BR)] [Hands on Hat] {Comments: Game Time advanced +1 Br: zone pass -1 Bk: line change (on Mile End) new charge = 0+58-45 = 13 } From Thu Oct 15 00:30:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2829 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Oct 1998 07:30:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 1998 07:30:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA30472 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:29:31 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA30469 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:29:27 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA20834 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:29:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 15 Oct 1998 07:29:25 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA18974; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:29:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199810150729.IAA18974@uks447> Date: 15 Oct 98 08:26:45 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 13-Oct-98 09:46 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 14 | 6 1 5 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 2 | 20 | 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 1 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 0 | 2 2 1 0 0 3 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1300 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : Timeout { Comment: New Rules on timing out, but still the same limits... I posted my last Move at about 1000 BST 13/10/98. Sorry, chap. In full: Game Time advanced. Er... that's it. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Thu Oct 15 00:40:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11954 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Oct 1998 07:40:23 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 1998 07:40:23 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA30651 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:39:44 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA30648 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:39:38 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id RAA19927; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:39:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma019893; Thu, 15 Oct 98 17:39:18 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4F08W2AT>; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:39:17 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428C82@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 25: Proposals Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:39:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Wednesday, October 14, 1998 12:40 AM, kenningd@w... [SMTP:kenningd@w...] wrote: > >>Proposal 522 - Bip. Bip. Bip. Beeeeep. [Amendment] > >Fair enough. We might want a list announcement to that effect as these > >things change over, I suppose, but it hardly seems worth it. > > It hardly seems fair on PaulWay. Oooh, like an hour's going to make all that difference to three days... :-) Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Thu Oct 15 00:47:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20011 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Oct 1998 07:47:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 1998 07:47:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA30809 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:47:15 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA30802 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:47:07 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id RAA21059; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:47:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma021025; Thu, 15 Oct 98 17:46:39 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4F08W2CD>; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:46:39 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428C83@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Year 2, Week 25: Proposals Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:46:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Mr. (PhD. thesis to be examined) Richard Michael Brockie (alias > miKi) married Dr. Fiona Lucy Plows on Friday!!! > > Help us celebrate! My congratulations to you! All the best to you and Fiona in upcoming years. Have fun, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Graeme Jefferis Fri Oct 16 05:38:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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[146.227.102.138]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id NAA03933 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:36:35 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by martinique.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id NAA14303 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:36:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:36:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810161236.NAA14303@m...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: CuQh00kW72XGTj96C9PlZQ== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 14 | 6 1 5 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 2 | 20 | 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 3 | 9 | 4 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 0 | 2 2 1 0 0 3 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1400 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Earl's Court (DS) [Blocking West Kensington] { Comments: Sneakily replaying through the Forced Pass. +1 Bk : No Line Change +1 Re : Two-line Interchange -0 Re : Ruttsborough Block Parsons Green: charge 44. Earl's Court: charge 35. Change in charge: +9 Tick, tock, etc. } From Kevan Davis Fri Oct 16 06:23:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21559 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Oct 1998 13:23:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 13:23:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05280 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:22:31 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05276 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:22:26 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p09.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.9]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA08144 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:22:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:22:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810161322.OAA08144@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 Buzz Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >+------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ >| Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | >| | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | >+------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ >| Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 0 6 2 | >+------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ > > Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to > Parsons Green] > [...] >Grimace : [LV+3] Earl's Court (DS) [Blocking West Kensington] Ahem. You've just barged through my Home Station without paying, sir. >Received: from martinique.cms.dmu.ac.uk Bizarre to think of you sitting at computers I used to sit at, there. The window seats are always preferable in the DEC lab there, aren't they? I suppose you won't really appreciate them until summer, mind. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "So I rang up my local swimming baths. I said 'Is that the local swimming baths?' He said 'It depends where you're calling from.'" -- Tim Vine From Graeme Jefferis Fri Oct 16 07:08:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18368 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Oct 1998 14:08:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 14:08:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06368 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:34 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06363 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:24 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28801 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:15:07 GMT Received: from mozart.cms.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@m... [146.227.102.117]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id PAA12845 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:19 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by mozart.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id PAA22566 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:17 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810161407.PAA22566@m...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: RHG+qxcLt70Oa1qpWNjkyw== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 14 | 6 1 5 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 2 | 20 | 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 3 | -2 | 4 0 2 0 0 1 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 0 | 2 2 1 0 0 3 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1400 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] { Comments: Sneakily replaying through the Forced Pass. +1 Bk : No Line Change -0 Re : Ruttsborough Block Parsons Green: charge 44. Putney Bridge: charge 46. Change in charge: -2 Tick, tock, etc. } From Graeme Jefferis Fri Oct 16 07:13:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21760 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Oct 1998 14:13:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 14:13:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06529 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:12:30 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06525 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:12:23 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29156 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:20:06 GMT Received: from mozart.cms.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@m... [146.227.102.117]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id PAA13323 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:12:16 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by mozart.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id PAA22665 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:12:14 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:12:14 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810161412.PAA22665@m...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 Buzz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: C8RfUK7O0RJZkMj/s9YeXg== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > >Received: from martinique.cms.dmu.ac.uk > > Bizarre to think of you sitting at computers I used to sit at, there. > The window seats are always preferable in the DEC lab there, aren't > they? I suppose you won't really appreciate them until summer, mind. It's always far, far too hot in there. I only wish the HP Vipers weren't so awful, as there's one called Grim which seemed destined to become my spiritual home... -Graeme. From Fri Oct 16 07:32:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32685 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Oct 1998 14:32:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 14:32:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06984 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:31:19 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06981 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:31:14 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA27581 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:31:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 14:31:09 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA29365; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:31:07 +0100 Message-Id: <199810161431.PAA29365@uks447> Date: 16 Oct 98 14:14:12 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 - SOme Oddities X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 16-Oct-98 12:36 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Grimace : [LV+3] Earl's Court (DS) [Blocking West Kensington] > Parsons Green: charge 44. Earl's Court: charge 35. > Change in charge: +9 > > Tick, tock, etc. Two things: 1. you've been a bit aggressive in ticking and tocking - the clock has been advanced from the Time Out Game Time, when it should be the same 2. Charge delta is (targetCurrent - sourceCurrent), so your sign is wrong. (you lose Charge as you Move inwards ie towards the Meridian) Fine apart from that. Incidentally, the two reports I mentioned the other day are ready (that is I've written the Perl scripts...) so I'll bung them up on the web tonight. This should make working out charge deltas trivial. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Fri Oct 16 07:33:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 720 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Oct 1998 14:33:17 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 14:33:17 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07022 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:32:36 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com (f12.hotmail.com [207.82.250.23]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA07019 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:32:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 12314 invoked by uid 0); 16 Oct 1998 14:32:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19981016143227.12313.qmail@h...> Received: from 193.130.129.195 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:32:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [193.130.129.195] From: "Duncan Ellis" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 - An Urgent Buzz on Grimace Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:32:24 PDT Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) For some obscure reason, my outbound mail doesn't seem to be reaching the list so I thought I'd better bung a message out from this little-used account instead just so the point is raised. There are two consistent mistakes in Grimaces's Moves: 1. a bit too aggressive in ticking and tocking - the clock is advanced from the Time Out Game Time, rather than from the Move which preceded it. 2. Charge delta is (targetCurrent - sourceCurrent), so the sign is wrong in both Moves. You lose Charge as you Move inwards (ie towards the Meridian) and gain Charge moving outwards. That is the end of this urgent message. -- Dunx Ceci n'est pas un .sig ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From kenningd@w... Fri Oct 16 07:41:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6564 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Oct 1998 14:41:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 14:41:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07267 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:41:08 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA07264 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:41:04 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA24393; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:46:52 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:49:42 +0100 Message-Id: <98101615494177@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - SOme Oddities X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Incidentally, the two reports I mentioned the other day are ready (that is >I've written the Perl scripts...) so I'll bung them up on the web tonight. >This should make working out charge deltas trivial. Good stuff. Now, what would be really nice is a form-based charge calculator... dave From Fri Oct 16 08:32:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5547 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Oct 1998 15:32:24 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 15:32:24 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08621 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:30:56 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08618 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:30:51 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07407 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:30:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 15:30:50 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA09154; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:30:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199810161530.QAA09154@uks447> Date: 16 Oct 98 16:19:17 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - SOme Oddities X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 16-Oct-98 14:49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Incidentally, the two reports I mentioned the other day are ready (that is >>I've written the Perl scripts...) so I'll bung them up on the web tonight. >>This should make working out charge deltas trivial. >Good stuff. Now, what would be really nice is a form-based charge calculator... Maybe when I get a CGI-capable account... that would be much preferable anyway, if only because then it won't soak up 6Mb in generated HTML! The structure is to click on a source station and see a beautifully generated page of either charge deltas ordered by target, or targets ordered by charge delta. Anyway, that's tonight's phone usage sorted out! -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Fri Oct 16 09:16:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Oct 1998 16:16:25 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 16:16:25 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09726 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:15:27 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09719 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:15:21 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA13492 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:15:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 16:15:20 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA24499; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:15:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199810161615.RAA24499@uks447> Date: 16 Oct 98 15:26:57 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - Bzzzt! Bzzzt!! Bzzzt!!! X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 16-Oct-98 14:07 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] > Parsons Green: charge 44. Putney Bridge: charge 46. > Change in charge: -2 > > Tick, tock, etc. And I say again - time has ticked too far, and your Charge delta has the wrong sign (since you're now traveling away from TCR, you *gain* Charge). I know you haven't seen my first message yet... something seems to be stuck. I'll send something about this from Hotmail too, though. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Fri Oct 16 14:52:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12083 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Oct 1998 21:52:01 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 21:52:01 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA17582 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:51:11 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17579 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:51:06 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA01621 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:51:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 16 Oct 1998 21:51:04 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA28416; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:51:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199810162151.WAA28416@uks447> Date: 16 Oct 98 22:47:31 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Current Delta Reports Published MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) The generated delta reports are available on my web site now: http://www.lazarus.demon.co.uk/mn/reports.html As I've already mentioned, the deltas by target report facilitates Charge delta calculations. The deltas by value report is useful were you know where you are and you know how close you are to MC's magic Current value of 18, but you need guidance on where to move to to shave off that extra two points. Kevan: these should stay here. Apart from the ridiculous size of all that generated HTML (no individual page is large, but there are a lot of them) I'd like to be able to maintain control over the generation in this case. The Currents list has to be considered the primary resource in anyway (especially when you've done such a good job of laying it out); these reports are merely a supplement. If you have any views about layout, I'm listening. Alternatively, I'll update them to match your own MN page style (ie copy it). I'm happy with either. Hope these are useful. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Graeme Jefferis Mon Oct 19 04:11:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20772 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Oct 1998 11:11:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 1998 11:11:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17305 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:10:55 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17302 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:10:51 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06342 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:18:35 GMT Received: from cantor.cs.cse.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@c... [146.227.102.62]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id MAA14830 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:10:45 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by cantor.cs.cse.dmu.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0/C1.6a) id MAA02091 for l-nomic@f...; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:10:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:10:41 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810191110.MAA02091@c...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - An Urgent Buzz on Grimace Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: R2Fewk9l5VvyEibhK3FBOg== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > For some obscure reason, my outbound mail doesn't seem to be > reaching the list so I thought I'd better bung a message out from > this little-used account instead just so the point is raised. I got both versions okay this morning. > 2. Charge delta is (targetCurrent - sourceCurrent), so the sign is > wrong in both Moves. You lose Charge as you Move inwards > (ie towards the Meridian) and gain Charge moving outwards. Ah, right. Teach me to pay attention rather than blunder on regardless. Buzz conceded and such. A further replacement will arrive shortly. -Graeme. From Graeme Jefferis Mon Oct 19 04:18:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23472 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Oct 1998 11:18:23 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 1998 11:18:23 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17554 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:17:41 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17551 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:17:36 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06749 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:25:21 GMT Received: from cantor.cs.cse.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@c... [146.227.102.62]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id MAA15411 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:17:33 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by cantor.cs.cse.dmu.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0/C1.6a) id MAA02099 for l-nomic@f...; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:17:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:17:31 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810191117.MAA02099@c...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: EArWQ2gqVybEfU4dYMolMQ== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >From owner-l-nomic@f... Fri Oct 16 15:09:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id PAA13179 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:09:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@q... [194.164.91.2]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28926 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:17:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06368 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:34 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06363 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:24 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28801 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:15:07 GMT Received: from mozart.cms.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@m... [146.227.102.117]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id PAA12845 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:19 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by mozart.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id PAA22566 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:17 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810161407.PAA22566@m...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: RHG+qxcLt70Oa1qpWNjkyw== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Content-Length: 4211 Status: RO +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 14 | 6 1 5 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 2 | 20 | 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 3 | 2 | 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 0 | 2 2 1 0 0 3 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1300 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] { Comments: +1 Bk : No Line Change -0 Re : Ruttsborough Block -1 Br : Replacement GSD declared illegal. Putney Bridge: charge 46. Parsons Green: charge 44. Change in charge: 2 Tick. } From kenningd@w... Mon Oct 19 04:32:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29564 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Oct 1998 11:32:54 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 1998 11:32:54 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17877 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:32:20 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17874 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:32:17 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA22329; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:38:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:31:06 +0100 Message-Id: <98101912310683@w...> To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Joining Game 10 X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Please Mr Speaker, I'd like to join Game 10. dave From Graeme Jefferis Mon Oct 19 04:55:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7340 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Oct 1998 11:55:54 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 1998 11:55:54 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18476 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:55:06 +0100 Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18472 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:55:01 +0100 Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09615 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:02:43 GMT Received: from cantor.cs.cse.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@c... [146.227.102.62]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id MAA21595 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:54:55 +0100 (BST) From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by cantor.cs.cse.dmu.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0/C1.6a) id MAA02204 for l-nomic@f...; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:54:53 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:54:53 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810191154.MAA02204@c...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: wiuru3vjxSUvJyV/CLQKNw== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 9 | 27 | 7 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 0 | 4 4 7 2 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 3 | 0 | 7 1 1 0 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 5 | 13 | 4 0 2 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | -4 | 11 5 8 0 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 0 | 3 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 2 | 0 | 6 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | -4 | 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 2200 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (B,T,V), Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar, *Zones 1-6 Pass* | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBkBkRe | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | ReBu | Heathrow 1,2,3 | Re | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Token Running] Manor House (PD) Grimace : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Token Running] Notting Hill Gate (DS) [Busking] Julie : [LV-2] [Token Running] Chesham (MP) Dunx : [LV+1] Notting Hill Gate (DS via HC) [Shunting Grimace to Kensington Olympia (DS)] [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [Reshuffling] PaulWay : [LV+3] Edgware (NT) miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) [Claiming Blue Token from Bethnal Green] Kevan : [LV+3] [Game Time: +0200] Angel (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token From Angel] [Blocking Kings Cross St Pancras] dave : [LV-2] Walthamstow Central (VC, via PD, VC) [Collecting Hat (BR)] [Hands on Hat] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Visiting Warblington] [Gold to Bronze] [Knocking Verdant Hat off PaulWay] [Hands on Hat] {Comments: 50 mins. +2 Bu - Passing. -6 Br - Visiting (evaporates.) +1 Go - Visited. -1 Go - Exchanged (evaporates.) +8 Br - Exchange. -1 Re - Hat knock. (On Mile End.) Charge remains static. Tick, tock. } From Kevan Davis Mon Oct 19 06:48:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2441 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Oct 1998 13:48:43 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 1998 13:48:43 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21238 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:47:52 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21235 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:47:48 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p16.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.16]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA04900 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:47:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:47:40 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810191347.OAA04900@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 10 Playing Order Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) With dave added, the random factor decrees that the Game 10 Playing Order is now:- Kevan Julie Drone Jon Dunx Grimace dave PaulWay Oh, the excitement. Expect a proper Game Lounge Proposal tomorrow, by the way, if I can polish the wording and theory of it enough. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "All over Battersea, some hope and some despair." -- Morrissey, "You're The One For Me, Fatty" From kenningd@w... Mon Oct 19 07:41:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1457 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Oct 1998 14:41:34 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 1998 14:41:34 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA22600 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:40:49 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA22597 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:40:45 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA00835; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:46:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:07:55 +0100 Message-Id: <98101915075547@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 Playing Order X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >With dave added, the random factor decrees that the Game 10 Playing >Order is now:- > Grimace > dave > PaulWay Does that mean it's my turn now? If so, can someone please forward me the latest GSD. Alternatively, is there a list archive I can refer to? >Expect a proper Game Lounge Proposal tomorrow, by the way, if I can >polish the wording and theory of it enough. I'm looking forward to it. dave From Mon Oct 19 08:03:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14872 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Oct 1998 15:03:53 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 1998 15:03:53 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23157 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:01:59 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23150 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:01:52 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA04814 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:01:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 19 Oct 1998 15:01:44 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA20457; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:01:41 +0100 Message-Id: <199810191501.QAA20457@uks447> Date: 19 Oct 98 16:00:41 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 Playing Order X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 19-Oct-98 14:07 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Does that mean it's my turn now? Yes. >If so, can someone please forward me the >latest GSD. See below. --------------------------------- 8< ---------------------------- +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 14 | 6 1 5 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 2 | 20 | 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 3 | 2 | 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 0 | 2 2 1 0 0 3 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1300 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] { Comments: +1 Bk : No Line Change -0 Re : Ruttsborough Block -1 Br : Replacement GSD declared illegal. Putney Bridge: charge 46. Parsons Green: charge 44. Change in charge: 2 Tick. } --------------------------------- 8< ---------------------------- -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... Mon Oct 19 08:26:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28573 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Oct 1998 15:26:24 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 1998 15:26:24 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23896 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:25:33 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23893 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:25:29 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA04829; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:31:26 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:22:02 +0100 Message-Id: <98101916220271@w...> To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 14 | 6 1 5 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 2 | 20 | 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 3 | 2 | 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | dave | East Acton | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 0 | 2 2 1 0 0 3 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1400 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Hat (C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] {Comments: Ta Dunx. Talk about in at the deep end... I was hoping for a few days to immerse myself into the game (since I've not been paying attention up to now) but fate would have it otherwise. Seems strangely fitting for a Ruttsborough game, though. Erm... time updated, no tokens gained, that's it. } From Tue Oct 20 03:29:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9840 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Oct 1998 10:29:23 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 1998 10:29:23 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15142 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:26:13 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15139 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:26:08 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11078 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:26:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 20 Oct 1998 10:26:02 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA21121; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:25:59 +0100 Message-Id: <199810201025.LAA21121@uks447> Date: 20 Oct 98 11:10:43 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 9 - Inactive Drone? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) So - it's the Drone's go. Kevan has the Drone Stick. But e's Nantucketed it away. Things which are hidden away in such a manner are not considered to be carried by that Player. From Rule 1.4.15: "For the purposes of any Rule which checks to see if a Player is carrying a Possession, e is considered not to be carrying it if eir only instances of it reside in eir Nantucket." The test for being Drone master in Rule 1.15.1 reads: "When it is the Drone's Turn, if any Player is carrying the Drone Stick, that Player may submit the Drone's Turn." Since whilst the Drone Stick is Nantucketed this means that Kevan is not really carrying the Drone Stick, this implies that the Drone is currently Inactive. This is particularly true because Kevan cannot Reshuffle in order to control the Drone. Julie, I think it's your go. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Julie Craddock Tue Oct 20 03:44:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18134 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Oct 1998 10:44:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 1998 10:44:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15457 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:41:09 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15454 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:41:05 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p18.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.18]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA19006 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:40:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:40:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810201040.LAA19006@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Julie Craddock Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 9 | 27 | 7 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 0 | 4 4 7 2 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 3 | 0 | 7 1 1 0 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 5 | 13 | 4 0 2 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | -4 | 11 5 8 0 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 0 | 3 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 5 | 20 | 7 0 1 3 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | -4 | 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Fri 2300 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (B,T,V), Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar, *Zones 1-6 Pass* | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBkBkRe | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | ReBu | Heathrow 1,2,3 | Re | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Wapping, Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Token Running] Manor House (PD) Grimace : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Token Running] Notting Hill Gate (DS) [Busking] Julie : [LV-2] [Token Running] Chesham (MP) Dunx : [LV+1] Notting Hill Gate (DS via HC) [Shunting Grimace to Kensington Olympia (DS)] [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [Reshuffling] PaulWay : [LV+3] Edgware (NT) miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) [Claiming Blue Token from Bethnal Green] Kevan : [LV+3] [Game Time: +0200] Angel (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token From Angel] [Blocking Kings Cross St Pancras] dave : [LV-2] Walthamstow Central (VC, via PD, VC) [Collecting Hat (BR)] [Hands on Hat] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Visiting Warblington] [Gold to Bronze] [Knocking Verdant Hat off PaulWay] [Hands on Hat] Julie : [Token Running] [LV+3] Northwood (MP) { Comments: Game time, etc. Charge: 97 - 77 = 20 +1 Gold for Token Running +1 Black for same liner. } -- elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "And we tried to, but we couldn't. And we 'Grrrr' then we 'Whoooaa!' ah, and then we were safe." --Flounder, "Little Mermaid" From Julie Craddock Tue Oct 20 03:47:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19755 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Oct 1998 10:47:41 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 1998 10:47:41 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15475 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:41:43 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15471 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:41:39 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p18.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.18]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA19064 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:41:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:41:33 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810201041.LAA19064@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Julie Craddock Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 - Inactive Drone? Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) One step ahead of you, m'dear. Sent it off not long ago. Thanks for paying attention though. =) At 11:10 20/10/98 +0100, you wrote: >So - it's the Drone's go. Kevan has the Drone Stick. > >But e's Nantucketed it away. Things which are hidden away in such a manner >are not considered to be carried by that Player. From Rule 1.4.15: >"For the purposes > of any Rule which checks to see if a Player is carrying a Possession, e > is considered not to be carrying it if eir only instances of it reside > in eir Nantucket." > >The test for being Drone master in Rule 1.15.1 reads: >"When it is the Drone's Turn, if > any Player is carrying the Drone Stick, that Player may submit the > Drone's Turn." > >Since whilst the Drone Stick is Nantucketed this means that Kevan is not >really carrying the Drone Stick, this implies that the Drone is currently >Inactive. > >This is particularly true because Kevan cannot Reshuffle in order to >control the Drone. > >Julie, I think it's your go. > >-- >Dunx >IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle > > > From Tue Oct 20 04:12:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31656 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Oct 1998 11:12:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 1998 11:12:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA16247 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:11:00 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16242 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:10:56 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA17704 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:10:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 20 Oct 1998 11:10:54 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA29388; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:10:50 +0100 Message-Id: <199810201110.MAA29388@uks447> Date: 20 Oct 98 12:07:27 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 9 - Charge Tweak X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 20-Oct-98 10:40 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Julie : [Token Running] [LV+3] Northwood (MP) > Charge: 97 - 77 = 20 Other way around - it's target - source (77 - 97) so your Charge should be -20... Again, you're moving inwards so you lose Charge. Since there doesn't seem to be anything wrong otherwise, I may play anyway and just change the sign of your Charge in the Token Table if you have no objection. This is assuming I work out what to do... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Oct 20 04:51:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 20-Oct-98 10:40 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 9 | 27 | 7 0 1 2 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 0 | 4 4 7 2 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 3 | 0 | 7 1 1 0 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 5 | 13 | 4 0 2 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | -4 | 11 5 8 0 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 0 | 3 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 5 |-20 | 7 0 1 3 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | -4 | 2 1 2 0 1 0 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 0000 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (B,T,V), Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar, *Zones 1-6 Pass* | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBkBkRe | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | ReBu | Heathrow 1,2,3 | Re | | Bermondsey | Re | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | Bk | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Token Running] Manor House (PD) Grimace : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Token Running] Notting Hill Gate (DS) [Busking] Julie : [LV-2] [Token Running] Chesham (MP) Dunx : [LV+1] Notting Hill Gate (DS via HC) [Shunting Grimace to Kensington Olympia (DS)] [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [Reshuffling] PaulWay : [LV+3] Edgware (NT) miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) [Claiming Blue Token from Bethnal Green] Kevan : [LV+3] [Game Time: +0200] Angel (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token From Angel] [Blocking Kings Cross St Pancras] dave : [LV-2] Walthamstow Central (VC, via PD, VC) [Collecting Hat (BR)] [Hands on Hat] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Visiting Warblington] [Gold to Bronze] [Knocking Verdant Hat off PaulWay] [Hands on Hat] Julie : [Token Running] [LV+3] Northwood (MP) Dunx : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Recycling] { Comment: Just collecting a Green for the battle ahead. In full: Julie's Charge corrected as threatened +2 Bk (Pass) +1 Bk (same line) -2 Bk, +1 Gr (environmental services) Game Time flies like an arrow Wapping no longer damaged Over to you, Paul... } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Tue Oct 20 05:34:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 26: Voting Results for Week 25 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 519 Recharge 6 1 - 1 Amends 1.19.1/2/3 520 Pegaholic 5 1 1 1 Amends 1.7.15/16, 1.11.4 521 You Missed A Bit 6 1 - 1 Amends 1.1.8 522 Bip. Bip. Bip. Beeeeep. 4 1 2 1 Amends 0.6.2 523 I'll Speak More Slowly 5 1 1 1 Amends 1.4.25/2.8.3 524 Clear Your Desks 5 1 1 1 Resigns Jonathan and Yer_Mom 525 Da da, dee da dah, de dah... 6 1 - 1 Awards Balloons [a] Enacts 1.7.40 [b] Amends 1.7.16 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] "All players will take posession of a confetti-filled balloon"; I assume that means one per person, rather than one per person per Game. [b] I took the liberty of combing the "popping effect" and "self repeal" into this Rule, it not being that clear how it was meant to work. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom [c] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 519 (Dunx) FOR PAS FOR - - FOR FOR FOR FOR - 520 (Dunx) AGA PAS FOR - - FOR FOR FOR FOR - 521 (Dunx) FOR PAS FOR - - FOR FOR FOR FOR - 522 (Kevan) AGA FOR FOR - - FOR PAS AGA FOR - 523 (Kevan) FOR FOR AGA - - FOR PAS FOR FOR - 524 (Kevan) AGA FOR FOR - - FOR PAS FOR FOR - 525 (miKi) FOR FOR FOR - - FOR FOR PAS FOR - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 3 24 14 0 29 21 34 8 5 0 Halved: 1 12 7 0 10 17 4 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +17 +0 +0 +0 +14 +6 +0 AGA Votes: -0 -1 -0 -0 I -0 -4 -0 -0 I Decisiveness: +3 +3 +3 +0 n +3 +3 +3 +3 n Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 -0 a -0 -0 -0 -0 a c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 t +0 +0 +0 +0 t EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 i -0 -0 -0 -0 i Finger/Pulse: +0 +5 +0 +0 v +5 +5 +0 +5 v e e Award Ceremony: +0 +3 +0 +0 +0 +3 +4 +0 [d] ---------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +3 +27 +3 +0 +8 +21 +13 +8 Final Kudos: 4 39 10 0 29 18 38 17 10 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimc Jon Jthn Julie Kevn miKi Paul Y_Mom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apathy Level: 1 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 1 3 [e] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [c] Resigned Players have been left in for this Week, partly just to show that they didn't Vote or anything, mostly because I can't be bothered to faff around with the layout. Pft. [d] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - Dunx (Recharge) Mrs Trellis Award - miKi (Da da...) Clever Bear Award - none Down Underground Award - none [f] For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) [e] Five, for Jon? Oh dear. [f] I don't think so, anyway. Carelessly I cleared my mailbox out, forgetting that I need to keep an eye on all Paul's Turns. Oh well. From Kevan Davis Tue Oct 20 05:37:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Twenty-Six ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 526 - Lounging Around [Multiple] 1. The Lounges [Enactment] There exist six Lounges in the virtual Mornington Nomic building; five of them dedicated to the playing of Games, and one of them (the Discussion Lounge) containing all other aspects of Nomic discussion and announcement. Each of these Lounges has a mailing list set up for it, with the following addresses being those you should post messages to:- The Discussion Lounge - l-nomic@f... The Brooke-Taylor Lounge - l-nomic-b@eGroups.com The Cryer Lounge - l-nomic-c@eGroups.com The Garden Lounge - l-nomic-g@eGroups.com The Lyttleton Lounge - l-nomic-l@eGroups.com The Rushton Memorial Lounge - l-nomic-r@eGroups.com Each non-Discussion Lounge may have a Game being played within it; all postings relevant only to that Game should be made to the appropriate mailing list. To subscribe to the Discussion Lounge, send an email to majordomo@f... with the message text "subscribe l-nomic". To subscribe to any of the other Lounges, send a blank email to "l-nomic--subscribe@egroups.com", where "" is the appropriate letter. 2. Musical Chairs [Enactment] Upon enactment of this Rule, Game 9 (the Team Game) shall be moved to the Lyttleton Lounge and Game 10 (the Ruttsborough '58 Game) shall be moved to the Rushton Memorial Lounge. This Rule shall then repeal itself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 527 - Oh, What's the Point? [Repeal] Repeal Rule 0.3.3 (Wake Up, Damn You). { Comments : The forced Inactivity has always been a bit pointless and annoying, and I think we've as many other incentives as we need, to keep Players Voting. Pft. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 528 - All the Right Moves [Multiple] { Comment: With any luck, this will finally nail the meaning of 'Move' down. I'm afraid I've reintroduced the concept of Player Move, although it's called something a little less unwieldy. Unfortunately, no matter how much we say "Let's all just be sensible", any ruleset which does not distinguish (or at least allow the distinction to be drawn) between the direct movement of a Player's Piece, the sum of Piece Movement and Actions, and the overall Turn isn't actually going to be powerful enough to prevent accidental (or indeed willful) misinterpretation. Sorry, dave. FWIW, I basically agree with you on this but the terms used here are a lot less intrusive, I hope. Fortunately, the Concept Formerly Known As Player Move is not needed very often (but it *cannot* be removed). } [Amendment: Shaken Not Stirred] Amend Rule 1.5.8 (Moving and Shaking) so that it reads as follows: "Moves, Plays and Turns shall be defined as follows in combination with those definitions already extant: " * A Player's Turn consists of the total set of changes that a Player makes to the GSD when e takes eir Turn. This may be referred to simply as 'a Turn' " * A Player's Play is the section written against eir name at the bottom of the GSD which includes the Player's Piece's Move and any Actions played. This may be referred to simply as 'a Play' " * A Piece's Move is its normal motion along LU lines, excluding all Action-related changes to position. This may be referred to simply as 'a Move' "Those Rules defining Line Velocity and changes of Line apply only to the Piece's Move unless specifically stated otherwise." { Comment: as you can see, this introduces the term 'Play', which is likely to be familiar in other gaming contexts (cf "Make your play"). Altogether simpler to use than 'Player Move'. } [Amendment: Stating the Obvious] Amend Rule 1.2.0 (The Game State Document) so that its fourth to seventh paragraphs read thus: "On eir Turn, Players add eir Play to the end of the Game State Document, in the following format: " : (, via: ) [] " is the name of the Player making the Play; is a valid Move; is the Line Code of the station moved to, unless the Move is "Pass", in which case the Player shall give the name and Line Code of the station e is currently at in this space. If the station moved to has more than one possible Line Code the Player should nominate a Line Code of eir choice from those available; is the Line Code of each Move Portion and may be omitted if the Player has passed or remained on the same Line for the whole Move; is any optional Action performed by the Player. Only Actions defined by Rules are valid. If no Action is to be performed by the Player, the square brackets should be omitted. This form of destination specification incorporating the Station and line code must also be used when specifying a target Station for an Action which changes any Player's position, for instance when playing Home or a Shunt. "Eg: If a Player's current position is at Holborn (CN) and e moves to Euston with a LV of 4 with no Actions, then eir Play would be:" { Comment: only a couple of substitutions, but also fixing some ambiguous wording elsewhere. Next we define another key concept which so far has only an incidental definition - the Round. } [Amendment: Through the Round Window] Amend Rule 1.3.0 (Turn Summary) by adding the following paragraphs: "A Round is a sequence of Turns in which all Active Players Play. "A Round may be used as a period of duration. An effect which is said to endure for one Round lasts from the point at which the effect begins until the same point in the next Round (Turn Phases to be rounded up). "For instance, if something begins during the Post-Move Phase of a Player's Turn and lasts for one Round, then that something stops at the end of the Post-Move phase in that Player's next Turn or (if that Player Resigns or goes Inactive) the point after which eir Turn would have been." { Comment: Got that definition, now let's use it. } [Amendment: Circular Pylons] Amend Rule 1.7.8 (Power Failure) so that its first paragraph reads thus: "During eir Turn, any Player may perform the post-Move action "[Power Failure! ()]", where "" is the Line Code of the Actioning Player's most recent Move. When this is performed, the specified Line suffers a Power Failure for one Round." [Amendment: Round and About] Amend Rule 1.9.1 (Basic Blocks) such that its last paragraph reads thus: "A Block lasts for one Round." [Amendment: Don't Come Round Here No More] Amend Rule 1.9.2 (Escalator Fires) so that its last paragraph reads thus: "If a Fire is spotted at a Station, that Station is Blocked for one Round and becomes Lightly Damaged." { Comment: So far, so froody (not to mention unremarkable). Now we come to the marginally more contentious bits... first, a Move that should have been a Turn but which doesn't look any different. } [Amendment: Time's Wing'ed Chariot] Amend Rule 1.13.1 (The Richard Whiteley Experience) so its last paragraph reads thus: "When Game Time reaches 0000, the next active Player shall, on eir Turn, advance Game Time to 0500, e.g. if Rushton's Turn has a Game Time of Wednesday 0000, and Garden is to play next, then Garden's Turn has a Game Time of Wednesday 0500." { Comment: now a Move which looks really good as a Move, but for which the term Move is not now nor ever has been correct - Buzzing. As I say, the term 'Move' in this context looks so right, but when you consider that Buzzing covers broken Game Time, token totals, LV, and a whole host of other GSD elements which have never fallen within the scope of a Move then you can see that it's no longer appropriate. Basically, it should be a Turn. } [Amendment: Ha-bout.... Turn!!] With the exception of Rule 1.16.4, substitute the word "Turn" for the word "Move" throughout Section 1.16 (Buzzing). { Comment: unfortunately, a straight substitution on 1.16.4 would leave some very tortured wording... } [Amendment: Wait For It, Wait For It...] Amend Rule 1.16.4 (Penalties) so it reads thus: "Once a Turn has been declared Officially Illegal, the Player who made the Turn must then withdraw it and post a replacement Turn. This replacement Turn may also be Buzzed in the same way. In the event of any replacement Turn being declared Officially Illegal, the offending Player shall also forfeit one Token of eir choice from the Tokens e owns, which e should detail in the comments of eir subsequent replacement Turn. The penalty applies to each replacement Turn, so in the event that a Player's Turn and three replacements for that Turn are all declared Officially Illegal then the total penalty is three Tokens. If a Player is ever unable to pay the full Token penalty, e loses any Tokens e has, eir Turn is forfeit and replaced with a Play of 'Pass' with no actions and no Token gains." { Comment: that's your lot. Unavoidably long, I'm afraid, but hopefully not too impenetrable. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 529 - Don't Cramp My Strile [Amendment] Amend Rule 1.7.12 (Basic Striles) by making it read as follows: "A Player may perform a Strile via the action [Striling to ], where is the name of a valid Strile destination. A Strile is instead of a Move, not in addition to it, and may be followed by a Straddle from the destination Station. The Player's LV is preserved across a Strile, and may not be altered in the same Turn as Striling. "The mechanism behind a Strile is that the Player's LV is used to launch a Strile to a corresponding Token Stack rather than to travel along LU lines in the usual way. "A Player may Strile between any two Stations according to the following criteria : " * The Player's LV is above 5. " * The Player makes a Move to eir Piece's current location (the normal rules for Move validity based on LV being suspended) " * The Station in eir Move bears an identical Token Stack to the one in eir [Striling...] Action for the purposes of that game. "For example (and assuming that all the above criteria are satisfied) to Strile between Gants Hill and Amersham one would play: " Cryer: Gants Hill (CN) [Striling to Amersham (MP)] "The Actioning Player's Location becomes the Station in the [Striling...] Action. "A Player may not add a Token to, or collect a Token from, any Stack in the same turn as Striling away from that stack. E may, however, add a Token to or take a Token from the destination Stack after arrival." { Comment: the current wording of Strile is rather confusing. It is implied that a Player's Piece must rest at the Strile launch Station, but this reworking makes it more explicit (whilst also adding some arguably spurious justification for it...). The other option would have been to remove this restriction, effectively turning a Strile into a form of super-Straddle (and, incidentally, making this Rule consistent with the one time a Strile has been performed) but that seems less interesting somehow. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 530 - Charge Tunneling [Multiple] { Comment: I changed my mind. Hope this doesn't seem too obvious. } [Enactment: Fifth Coulomb] A Player may perform the post-Move Action of "[Charge Tunneling to ]", where "" is a Station with a Current identical to that of eir Piece's current Location. Upon performing this Action, the Player's Piece is moved directly to the cited Station. No Player may Charge Tunnel to Mornington Crescent. [Action: Charge Tunneling] Name: Charge Tunneling Type: Post-Move Text: Charge Tunneling to Duration: 20 minutes Cost: -1 Si { Comment: Not all that expensive, because you can only travel between Stations with (by definition) a similar level of remoteness - this cannot be used as a quick way of travelling from an inner Zone to an outer one; you can travel from one outlying Station to another, or between inner Stations; but the two cannot be mixed. To find Stations with the same Current as the one you're at, use the "Charge Deltas by Value" report and look for a delta of zero. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 531 - Purple Patch [multiple] {The more the merrier...} Amend the second paragraph of Rule 1.4.1 (Token Gesture) to read as follows: "There are eight colours of Token - three Metallic (Gold, Silver and Bronze) and four Plastic (Black, Blue, Green, Puce and Red)." Add the following description of Puce Tokens to the list in the same rule: * Puce : Wild (may be used in place of any other plastic token, the user specifying which tokens are being replaced in the comments at the end of eir turn) Add the following details of the [Silver to Puce] action to Rules 1.7.21 (Bureau de Change) and 1.7.16 (Neutral Actions): Action Cost/Paid Received [Silver to Puce] 1 Silver 2 Puce ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 532 - Platform Soles [amendment] Add the following to the table in Rule 1.14.2 (Stack 'em High, Sell 'em Cheap): Sequence of tokens: Reward: Red Red Green Blue Red +3 Blue Tokens Red Black Red Black Green Blue +2 Silver Tokens Blue Green Green Red Black +1 Gold Token ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 533 - Last One to Amersham is a Cissy [enactment] While a player's piece has a charge greater than +100% or less than -100%, eir LV may be increased (but only by the normal means) up to a maximum of 20. If a player's LV is above 10 when eir charge is calculated, and eir new charge is less than +100% or greater than -100%, eir LV may remain at its current value until lowered but may not be raised again by any means until it has fallen below 10, at which point the maximum LV for that player is reset to the default value. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Tue Oct 20 07:30:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: RE: Game 10 Game State Document Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:04:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 14 | 6 1 5 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 2 | 20 | 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 3 | 2 | 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | dave | East Acton | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 |-16 | 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1500 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Hat (C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | BkBk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | Bank | ReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) [Power Failure! NT] {Comments: 10mins : Line velocity boost 10mins : Eating that Mars bar! 10mins -1Bk : Move including line change (token on Euston) +1Bu : Four-interchange station +1Bk : Passed through three interchanges 20mins -2Re : Power failure, stranding Dunx and Julie (tokens on Bank) Game time updated. Sorry for the delay, I'm on a course all week and can't get to my mail as regularly as I'd like. Have fun, anyway. Oops - charge calculation forgotten. From Dunx's nifty pages, I lose 16. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNiu3cctA22MsBS7iEQKgHwCfVSWH6amOBeuU1CJ1+g/ny2odE6UAoOU6 REWYOdijx2g81g4VX5zUAS/u =9Mlf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Tue Oct 20 07:40:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: RE: Game 10 Game State Document Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:55:35 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 14 | 6 1 5 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 2 | 20 | 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 3 | 2 | 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | dave | East Acton | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 | 0 | 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1500 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Hat (C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | BkBk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | Bank | ReRe | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) [Power Failure! NT] {Comments: 10mins : Line velocity boost 10mins : Eating that Mars bar! 10mins -1Bk : Move including line change (token on Euston) +1Bu : Four-interchange station +1Bk : Passed through three interchanges 20mins -2Re : Power failure, stranding Dunx and Julie (tokens on Bank) Game time updated. Sorry for the delay, I'm on a course all week and can't get to my mail as regularly as I'd like. Have fun, anyway. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNiu1WMtA22MsBS7iEQJhvwCg4R2DHx5oIls8GW3v7jOlkgIi0ecAoIvE jtc1d6xGfOiG/kL96yNZbtTJ =wVFe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Jonathan David Amery Tue Oct 20 07:48:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3521 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Oct 1998 14:48:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 1998 14:48:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21567 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:48:03 +0100 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21560 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:47:59 +0100 Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zVd4p-0002wM-00 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:47:59 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:47:59 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan David Amery To: Mornington Nomic Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 26: Voting Results for Week 25 In-Reply-To: <199810201233.NAA26321@c...> Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > [e] Five, for Jon? Oh dear. I didn't want to go inactive... -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### "The last human being on the Earth sat alone in a room. \'####### There was a knock on the door..." - Shortest SF story... From Richard Brockie Tue Oct 20 07:49:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3787 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Oct 1998 14:49:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 1998 14:49:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21583 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:48:21 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21578 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:48:17 +0100 Received: from muckleroe.roe.ac.uk (muckleroe.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.37]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA18828 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:48:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:48:15 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: Mornington Nomic Subject: Comments re: MN: Year 2, Week 26: Proposals In-Reply-To: <199810201233.NAA26283@c...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Proposal 526 - Lounging Around [Multiple] > > 1. The Lounges [Enactment] > 2. Musical Chairs [Enactment] Hurrah! > Proposal 527 - Oh, What's the Point? [Repeal] > > Repeal Rule 0.3.3 (Wake Up, Damn You). Hurrah! > Proposal 528 - All the Right Moves [Multiple] Upon first inspection, seems to wrap this thorny problem up, but for one caveat. > "Moves, Plays and Turns shall be defined as follows in combination with > those definitions already extant: > > " * A Player's Turn consists of the total set of changes that a Player > makes to the GSD when e takes eir Turn. This may be referred to > simply as 'a Turn' > > " * A Player's Play is the section written against eir name at the bottom > of the GSD which includes the Player's Piece's Move and any Actions > played. This may be referred to simply as 'a Play' > > " * A Piece's Move is its normal motion along LU lines, excluding all > Action-related changes to position. This may be referred to simply > as 'a Move' Perhaps a bullet detailing the Action part of the Turn is required for completeness. > [Amendment: Through the Round Window] > Amend Rule 1.3.0 (Turn Summary) by adding the following paragraphs: > > "A Round is a sequence of Turns in which all Active Players Play. Hurrah! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Proposal 530 - Charge Tunneling [Multiple] Hurrah! An exciting proposal... > Proposal 531 - Purple Patch [multiple] > > {The more the merrier...} Sorry, but I don't think so... > Amend the second paragraph of Rule 1.4.1 (Token Gesture) to read as follows: > > "There are eight colours of Token - three Metallic (Gold, Silver and Bronze) > and four Plastic (Black, Blue, Green, Puce and Red)." ^^^^ Should be "five". > Add the following description of Puce Tokens to the list in the same rule: > > * Puce : Wild (may be used in place of any other plastic token, the user > specifying which tokens are being replaced in the comments at the end of eir > turn) I just don't like this idea. > Proposal 533 - Last One to Amersham is a Cissy [enactment] Sounds like a laugh... --- miKi From Tue Oct 20 09:06:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24632 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Oct 1998 16:06:15 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 1998 16:06:15 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA23637 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:05:23 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23632 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:05:18 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA26623 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:05:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 20 Oct 1998 16:05:15 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA16275; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:05:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199810201605.RAA16275@uks447> Date: 20 Oct 98 16:53:48 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 26: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 20-Oct-98 12:33 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) The Week's Proposals included: > Proposal 526 - Lounging Around [Multiple] Nicely worded thing. One question: > 1. The Lounges [Enactment] > > Each non-Discussion Lounge may have a Game being played within it; Just one Game per lounge? I suppose that's fair enough in general, but might make tournament play difficult to organise should we ever have eight players entering (well, you never know...) > Proposal 527 - Oh, What's the Point? [Repeal] Fair enough - it does rather seem to have lost its relevance (especially since Kudos steadily decreases over time). > Proposal 528 - All the Right Moves [Multiple] Mine, all mine!! Responding to miki's remark... >> "Moves, Plays and Turns shall be defined as follows in combination with >> those definitions already extant: >Perhaps a bullet detailing the Action part of the Turn is required for >completeness. Hmm... perhaps, but nothing like that is used in the anywhere in the ruleset at the moment and if it were it would be fairly unambiguous to say 'the Actions'. Back to my own comments - > Proposal 531 - Purple Patch [multiple] miKi's already pointed out the typo, so I'll just mention my own misgivings about this one. > * Puce : Wild (may be used in place of any other plastic token, the user > specifying which tokens are being replaced in the comments at the end of eir > turn) First of all, Puce may be used in lieu of another plastic token *anywhere*: does that include token stacks? If so, then that is way, way too powerful. You could dump four Puces, call them Blacks, and call it a Kafka Sinkhole. Or dump a few Puces and complete any Plastic-only token stack. It would also be *very* hard to administer - the statement of what a Puce is being used as is lost whilst the Token Stack lives on. In other games with wild things (blanks in Scrabble, wild cards in canasta) there is some definite context to remind what a wild was placed as. So - I think it would be reasonable to say that Puce is always Puce on a Token Stack, or that it permanently transmutes into the named Token colour, or even to ban Puces on Token Stacks entirely. Secondly, I think that wild tokens (at least in their current form) would make the game too easy. One of the main skills of MN as it stands is gathering the right tokens for the job. I wouldn't claim that gathering Puces is necessarily easy (Silvers are quite hard to come by after all) but the focus changes. Also (to bring up how other games work once again) the number of wilds is usually restricted in some way - only two blanks exist in Scrabble; in Canasta less than half of a group of melded cards can be wild. Games of pure skill (such as chess, to which I like to think we at least aspire) has only one 'wild' at all (pawn promotion) and that is very hard to obtain. In aummary, I think it's an interesting idea, but flawed in its current form. > Proposal 533 - Last One to Amersham is a Cissy [enactment] This is ace! I was thinking of high charges *restricting* LV, but this is much, much more fun. Top marks to the Proposer - if I could vote FOR it twice, I would. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... Tue Oct 20 09:36:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12919 invoked by uid 7770); 20 Oct 1998 16:36:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 1998 16:36:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA24403 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:35:58 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA24400 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:35:55 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA02495; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:41:51 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:21:38 +0100 Message-Id: <98102017213832@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 26: Proposals X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Back to my own comments - >> Proposal 531 - Purple Patch [multiple] > >miKi's already pointed out the typo, Urk. thanks miKi. >First of all, Puce may be used in lieu of another plastic token *anywhere*: >does that include token stacks? Urk. Damn. I didn't even think of that. Very good point. >It would also be *very* hard to administer - the statement of what a Puce >is being used as is lost whilst the Token Stack lives on. Yes, I totally agree. >Secondly, I think that wild tokens (at least in their current form) would >make the game too easy. One of the main skills of MN as it stands is >gathering the right tokens for the job. I wouldn't claim that gathering >Puces is necessarily easy (Silvers are quite hard to come by after all) >but the focus changes. Well, if a gold is worth four blues, and a gold is also worth two silvers, then.... oh, I don't know, but I think this bit of the proposal is sound because the cost of puces is very high -- acquiring silvers is quite difficult enough to make it hard for anyone to get too many puces, especially considering you might need those silvers for other things. >Also (to bring up how other games work once again) the number of wilds is >usually restricted in some way.... another fair point. >In aummary, I think it's an interesting idea, but flawed in its current >form. Well, to be honest, the Puce Token type is a bit of a Millenium Dome -- I thought it would be a nice thing to have but didn't have a clue what to do with it once we'd got it, so it ends up being filled with a hare-brained pile of nonsense... So, if I put in something about Puces always being Puces on token stacks and made a limit on how many can be in play at a time, would people be interested? >> Proposal 533 - Last One to Amersham is a Cissy [enactment] >This is ace! I was thinking of high charges *restricting* LV, but this is >much, much more fun. > >Top marks to the Proposer - if I could vote FOR it twice, I would. Cheers. Nice to know I can get *some* things right. dave From Wed Oct 21 00:39:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2666 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Oct 1998 07:39:54 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 07:39:53 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10835 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:38:56 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10829 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:38:41 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id RAA10835; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:38:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma010822; Wed, 21 Oct 98 17:38:22 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <4F08XN74>; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:38:21 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428C8B@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: Game 9 Game State Document Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:38:20 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player (T)| Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | PaulWay (B)| Finchley Central | 10 | -4 | 8 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | miKi (C)| Bethnal Green | 0 | 0 | 4 4 7 2 0 4 0 | | Kevan (B)| All Saints | 3 | 0 | 7 1 1 0 0 0 0 | | dave (A)| Wood Green | 5 | 13 | 4 0 2 1 0 2 0 | | Grimace (C)| Swiss Cottage | 0 | -4 | 11 5 8 0 0 4 0 | | Drone (B)| | 3 | 0 | 3 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | Julie (A)| Moor Park | 5 |-20 | 7 0 1 3 0 2 0 | | Dunx (B)| Ladbroke Grove | 0 | -4 | 2 1 2 0 1 0 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 0500 | +---------------+| Colliers Wood |+----------------+ +---------------+| Oakwood |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || Hampstead || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | PaulWay | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T), Zone 1-3 Pass | | miKi | Zone 2 Pass, Hat (BR,T,V) | | Kevan | *Drone Stick* | | dave | Hat (B,T,V), Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | Hats (A,T), Zone 1 Pass, Casiotone | | Julie | Hats (T), Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Chocolate Bar, *Zones 1-6 Pass* | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +Token-Assignments+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Mile End | BkBkBkRe | Ladbroke Grove | ReRe | | Hanger Lane | ReRe | Westbourne Park | BuBu | | Latimer Road | BuBu | Bayswater | Bu | | Bethnal Green | ReBuGo | Heathrow 1,2,3 | Re | | Bermondsey | ReGo | Canning Town | Re | | Royal Oak | BkGo | Southwark | Re | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Euston* | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Courier Call... Epping to Amersham | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ PaulWay : [Home: Finchley Central] Finchley Central (NT) [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] miKi : [Home: Bethnal Green] Bethnal Green (CN) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Kevan : [Home: All Saints] All Saints (DL) Grimace : [Home: Swiss Cottage] Swiss Cottage (JL) Dunx : [Home: Ladbroke Grove] Ladbroke Grove (HC) PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) [Colliers Wood Wild] Grimace : [LV+2] Baker Street (JL) [Collecting Hat (A-Z)] Dunx : Pass (Ladbroke Grove (HC)) PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) miKi : [LV+3] Whitechapel (DS via CN, HC) Kevan : Pass (All Saints (DL)) Grimace : [LV+2] [Silver to Bronze] [Purchasing Zone 1 Pass] [Purchasing Casiotone] Notting Hill Gate (DS) Julie : [Home: Moor Park] Moor Park (MP) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : [LV+1] Woodside Park (NT) [Collecting Hat] miKi : [LV+2] New Cross (EL) [Collecting Hat (BR)] Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Shadwell (DL) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [Home: Wood Green] Wood Green (PD) [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Busking] Julie : [LV+2] Watford (MP) PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) miKi : [Gold Running] New Cross Gate (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] [Collecting Hat (T)] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Blocking Wapping] dave : [LV+1] Bounds Green (PD) Grimace : [LV+2] [Game Time: +0100] Kensington (Olympia) (DS) [Collecting Hat (Terminus)] [Busking] Julie : [Token Running] Moor Park (MP) PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central [Purchasing Zone 1-3 pass] miKi : [Token Running] [LV-2] Rotherhithe (EL) [Rebounding off Wapping] Kevan : Pass (Shadwell (DL)) [Bridges Up] [Fire at Wapping] [Claiming Drone Stick] [Courier Call] dave : [LV+3] Cockfosters (PD) [Collecting Hat] [Oakwood Wild] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Bridges Down] Drone : [LV+3] Goodge Street (NT) [Dropping Package at Euston] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Giving Chocolate Bar to Dunx] Julie : [LV+2] Amersham (MP) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] [Collecting Hat] [Hampstead Wild] Dunx : [LV+2] Royal Oak (HC) [Detonating Euston Package] [Claiming a Blue from Westbourne Park] [Black Token on Royal Oak] [Knocking Verdant Hat Off Julie] PaulWay : [LV+1] Camden Town (NT) miKi : [Home] Bethnal Green (CN) [Claiming Blue Token from Rotherhithe] [Red Token on Bethnal Green] [Collecting Hat (V)] Kevan : [Reshuffling] [LV+1] Bank (NT via DL) [Blocking Liverpool Street] dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Token Running] Manor House (PD) Grimace : [Game Time: +0100] [LV+3] [Token Running] Notting Hill Gate (DS) [Busking] Julie : [LV-2] [Token Running] Chesham (MP) Dunx : [LV+1] Notting Hill Gate (DS via HC) [Shunting Grimace to Kensington Olympia (DS)] [Gold to Bronze] [Purchasing Zones 1-6 Pass] [Reshuffling] PaulWay : [LV+3] Edgware (NT) miKi : Pass (Bethnal Green (CN)) [Claiming Blue Token from Bethnal Green] Kevan : [LV+3] [Game Time: +0200] Angel (NT) [Claiming a Blue Token - From Angel] [Blocking Kings Cross St Pancras] dave : [LV-2] Walthamstow Central (VC, via PD, VC) [Collecting Hat (BR)] [Hands on Hat] Grimace : Pass (Kensington (Olympia) (DS)) [Visiting Warblington] [Gold to Bronze] [Knocking Verdant Hat off PaulWay] [Hands on Hat] Julie : [Token Running] [LV+3] Northwood (MP) Dunx : Pass (Notting Hill Gate (DS)) [Recycling] PaulWay : [Token Running] [LV+1] [Opening MC] Mornington Crescent (NT) {Comments: 10mins +1Go : Token running 10mins : LV+1 10mins -3Go : Opening MC (on Bethnal Green, Bermondsey and Royal Oak) 10mins +1Bk : Same line move +1Br : Zone pass (bought successfully long ago, btw) Charge (27-31) updated, as well as Game Time. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNi0CzctA22MsBS7iEQKceACff0ec7QthEubVPyhBzKTLLUgCjJgAn3+C zgqt1UtC8jA417MKgvBsXHWV =jYJW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kenningd@w... Wed Oct 21 02:57:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10604 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Oct 1998 09:57:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 09:57:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14458 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:56:14 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA14455 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:56:08 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA09605; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:02:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:53:32 +0100 Message-Id: <98102110533244@w...> To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Game 9 -- buzz on Mr Wayper X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >PaulWay : [LV+1] Mill Hill East (NT) [Collecting Terminus Hat] >PaulWay : [Token Running] Finchley Central (NT) >PaulWay : High Barnet (NL) >PaulWay : [LV+2] [Token Running] Finchley Central >PaulWay : [LV+3] Edgware (NT) >PaulWay : [Token Running] [LV+1] [Opening MC] Mornington Crescent (NT) Actually, this is not a buzz, because I just checked the rule and see that the clause about not token running more than once on the same line is no longer there (if indeed it was ever there -- am I going mad?). I noticed Julie doing the same trick on the Met line, but didn't buzz her because she's my team-mate. If, indeed, this is after all a legal move, then fair play to Mr Wayper for such a deviously simple plan that no-one even spotted it. However, I think this just shows that token running *still* needs fixing. Or repealing altogether. dave From Wed Oct 21 03:03:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13571 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Oct 1998 10:03:48 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 10:03:48 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14698 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:03:14 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14695 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:03:10 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11582 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:03:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 10:03:09 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA06169; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:03:07 +0100 Message-Id: <199810211003.LAA06169@uks447> Date: 21 Oct 98 10:59:13 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 - Buzz on PaulWay X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 20-Oct-98 08:04 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) > [Power Failure! NT] > 20mins -2Re : Power failure, stranding Dunx and Julie (tokens on Bank) Your final location is Bank. You can't place the Tokens there. In fact, you can't place the Tokens *anywhere* since Bank is Quadrant Zero and all Quadrants are adjacent to it (Rule 1.4.19). It's rather a trivial buzz and not really worth a repost, perhaps just a bit of Token Stack obliteration from the next Player (Kevan). I can't find anything wrong with the actual Play (to start using my terminology early). -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Oct 21 03:21:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23284 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Oct 1998 10:21:36 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 10:21:36 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15090 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:19:44 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15085 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:19:39 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14179 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:19:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 10:19:36 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA08937; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:19:34 +0100 Message-Id: <199810211019.LAA08937@uks447> Date: 21 Oct 98 11:13:29 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 -- buzz on Mr Wayper X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 21-Oct-98 09:53 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) You had me panicking there for a moment... >Actually, this is not a buzz, because I just checked the rule and see that the >clause about not token running more than once on the same line is no longer >there (if indeed it was ever there -- am I going mad?). It was Proposed, but did not pass - Proposal 376 (Year 2, Week 5). > I noticed Julie doing >the same trick on the Met line, but didn't buzz her because she's my team-mate. ;-) -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... Wed Oct 21 03:23:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24738 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Oct 1998 10:23:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 10:23:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15200 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:22:28 +0100 Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA15195 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:22:23 +0100 From: kenningd@w... Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA12103; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:28:25 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:31:04 +0100 Message-Id: <98102111310426@w...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - Buzz on PaulWay X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >In fact, you can't place the Tokens *anywhere* since Bank is Quadrant Zero >and all Quadrants are adjacent to it (Rule 1.4.19). Am I the only one that finds the idea of five quadrants a bit weird? Ah well, such is the way language evolves... dave From Wed Oct 21 03:45:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3555 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Oct 1998 10:45:25 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 10:45:25 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15693 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:44:42 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15684 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:44:37 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA18206 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:44:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 10:44:36 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA12937; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:44:34 +0100 Message-Id: <199810211044.LAA12937@uks447> Date: 21 Oct 98 11:38:15 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - Buzz on PaulWay X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 21-Oct-98 10:31 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Am I the only one that finds the idea of five quadrants a bit weird? Ah well, >such is the way language evolves... It is a bit strange, but then again the five quadrants we have here are more sane than those described in the Encyclopaedia Morningtonia... http://aurora.york.ac.uk/mc_em.html#quadrant5 At least our Quadrant Zero can be rationalised as an extended field of influence for the Meridian, -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Jonathan David Amery Wed Oct 21 05:56:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10668 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Oct 1998 12:56:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 12:56:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA18791 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:53:33 +0100 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18787 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:53:27 +0100 Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zVxlU-0003ym-00 for l-nomic@f...; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:53:24 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:53:24 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - Buzz on PaulWay In-Reply-To: <199810211044.LAA12937@uks447> Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On 21 Oct 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > >Am I the only one that finds the idea of five quadrants a bit weird? Ah > well, > >such is the way language evolves... > > It is a bit strange, but then again the five quadrants we have here are more > sane than those described in the Encyclopaedia Morningtonia... > > http://aurora.york.ac.uk/mc_em.html#quadrant5 > > At least our Quadrant Zero can be rationalised as an extended field of > influence for the Meridian, > I almost proposed a quadrent 5 proposal before I went inactive last term, but it would have been very complicated - and would better fit in a special ruleset I think. -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### "The last human being on the Earth sat alone in a room. \'####### There was a knock on the door..." - Shortest SF story... From Kevan Davis Wed Oct 21 06:01:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13536 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Oct 1998 13:00:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 13:00:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA18922 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:59:47 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18919 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:59:39 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p21.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.21]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA25967 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:59:27 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:59:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810211259.NAA25967@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - Buzz on PaulWay Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) >> [Power Failure! NT] > >> 20mins -2Re : Power failure, stranding Dunx and Julie (tokens on Bank) > >Your final location is Bank. You can't place the Tokens there. > >In fact, you can't place the Tokens *anywhere* since Bank is Quadrant Zero >and all Quadrants are adjacent to it (Rule 1.4.19). > >It's rather a trivial buzz and not really worth a repost, perhaps just a >bit of Token Stack obliteration from the next Player (Kevan). I can't >find anything wrong with the actual Play (to start using my terminology >early). I'd rather not, in case Paul was relying on those two Red for a future strategy. Perhaps we need a rule clarifying this, but I think there's a limit to the things you can say "Oh, I'll just alter that, you forgot to"; removing an eaten but undeleted Baguette is permissible, but destroying a newly created Token Stack because the creator "probably forgot that he couldn't do that" seems a step too far. Arguably I should just delete the Tokens and play on, it being Paul's tough luck for getting it wrong, but such isn't a million miles from "You can't actually move to Brent Cross; I'll assume you meant Golders Green." If it was covered by the ruleset, I'd be alright with it, but it isn't and I'm not. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Stay home, be bored - it's crap, I know." -- The Smiths, "Death At One's Elbow" From Wed Oct 21 06:22:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26712 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Oct 1998 13:22:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 13:22:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19593 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:21:19 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19589 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:21:13 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA12389 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:21:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 13:21:10 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA06704; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:21:10 +0100 Message-Id: <199810211321.OAA06704@uks447> Date: 21 Oct 98 14:14:10 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - Buzz on PaulWay X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 21-Oct-98 12:59 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>It's rather a trivial buzz and not really worth a repost, perhaps just a >>bit of Token Stack obliteration from the next Player (Kevan). I can't >>find anything wrong with the actual Play (to start using my terminology >>early). >I'd rather not, in case Paul was relying on those two Red for a future >strategy. Fair enough - can't argue with that. >Perhaps we need a rule clarifying this, but I think there's >a limit to the things you can say "Oh, I'll just alter that, you forgot >to"; removing an eaten but undeleted Baguette is permissible, but >destroying a newly created Token Stack because the creator "probably >forgot that he couldn't do that" seems a step too far. Um - yes, I suppose so. >Arguably I should just delete the Tokens and play on, it being Paul's >tough luck for getting it wrong, but such isn't a million miles from >"You can't actually move to Brent Cross; I'll assume you meant Golders >Green." I disagree, but not strongly enough to start a fight. I would contend that Token Stacks are a lot less significant than Piece position or Player possessions (since the Tokens have already passed out of Paul's hands), but as you say they can be important from a tactical point of view. >If it was covered by the ruleset, I'd be alright with it, but >it isn't and I'm not. In the absence of any such clarifying rule I think that's a reasonable position. Unfortunately, I can't think of any way of drafting any such Rule... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Oct 21 07:28:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5409 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Oct 1998 14:28:31 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 1998 14:28:31 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21638 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:27:30 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21635 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:27:22 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p30.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.30]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA02671 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:27:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:27:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810211427.PAA02671@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 - Buzz on PaulWay Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>If it was covered by the ruleset, I'd be alright with it, but >>it isn't and I'm not. > >In the absence of any such clarifying rule I think that's a reasonable >position. > >Unfortunately, I can't think of any way of drafting any such Rule... Well, the only time you'd really ever fiddle the previous Player's GSD would be if they'd neglected to update the data at the top of it, in light of something that was explicitly altered in either the Play (an inspired and useful piece of jargon, there, incidentally) or comments. And, I suppose, to add the Line Code to a Move where only one Code could be possible. I think that probably covers it, and wouldn't be too hard to phrase into a Rule... Can anyone think of any other cases (or exceptions to the above)? Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I have to carve the gargoyles, because I can carve nothing else; I leave to others the angels and the arches and the spires." -- G.K. Chesterton From Thu Oct 22 00:21:22 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9781 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Oct 1998 07:21:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 1998 07:21:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA19021 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:20:22 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19018 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:20:14 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id RAA03412; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:20:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xmaa03357; Thu, 22 Oct 98 17:19:43 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:19:42 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428C8E@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 10 - Buzz on PaulWay Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:19:41 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, October 21, 1998 7:59 PM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > In fact, you can't place the Tokens *anywhere* since Bank is Quadrant Zero > and all Quadrants are adjacent to it (Rule 1.4.19). So what you're saying here is that anyone in Quadrant Zero is unable to place tokens anywhere? As far as I can see, this is exactly what is stated. There is no definition of 'adjacency' within the rules, but the common definition means that quadrant zero is adjacent to everything. It still manages to be colourable by the Four Colour Theorem, though :-) > It's rather a trivial buzz and not really worth a repost, perhaps just a > bit of Token Stack obliteration from the next Player (Kevan). I can't > find anything wrong with the actual Play (to start using my terminology > early). It won't make any difference to me, but I'll send the repost anyway for conformity's sake. Noole, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. 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Subject: MN: RE: RE: Game 10 Game State Document Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:32:12 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 1 | 17 | 4 1 0 0 0 6 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 14 | 6 1 5 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 2 | 20 | 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 3 | 2 | 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | dave | East Acton | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 |-16 | 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1500 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Hat (C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) [Power Failure! NT] {Comments: 10mins : Line velocity boost 10mins : Eating that Mars bar! 10mins -1Bk : Move including line change (can't place token) +1Bu : Four-interchange station +1Bk : Passed through three interchanges 20mins -2Re : Power failure, stranding Dunx and Julie (can't place tokens) Game time updated. Sorry for the delay, I'm on a course all week and can't get to my mail as regularly as I'd like. Have fun, anyway. - From Dunx's nifty pages, I lose 16 charge. Also now placing my tokens correctly - by throwing them up into the air and watching them evaporate in the Paradox field of Quadrant Zero... } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNi5S3ctA22MsBS7iEQJSWgCgmFfSPDvAtYyeawmntFDUJonmgcoAoPcd KfR25XiNRpgRfWzN1bsaGwK4 =ZkAB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Thu Oct 22 01:17:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24928 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Oct 1998 08:17:18 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 1998 08:17:18 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20151 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:16:33 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20148 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:16:29 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27075 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:16:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 22 Oct 1998 08:16:28 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03933; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:16:26 +0100 Message-Id: <199810220816.JAA03933@uks447> Date: 22 Oct 98 09:12:20 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 11? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Since Game 9 appears to be over now (after Paul's splendidly timed coup de grace) can we make a start on Game 11? It's been suggested that this be the Long Game in honour of York. Or should we wait until the lounges are built? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Thu Oct 22 04:29:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: RE: RE: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 0 | 17 | 5 3 0 0 0 7 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 4 | 14 | 6 1 5 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 2 | 20 | 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 3 | 2 | 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | dave | East Acton | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 |-16 | 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1600 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Hat (C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) [Power Failure! NT] Kevan : Pass (Ravenscourt Park (DS)) { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit. +1 Black for the same Line. +2 Blue for the Pass. No change in Charge. Gods, the excitement. } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "It's cold and it's wet, and a knell of regret is pealing throughout every town." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "He Who Would Valium Take" From Kevan Davis Thu Oct 22 07:29:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14250 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Oct 1998 14:29:00 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 1998 14:29:00 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02596 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:27:19 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02585 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:27:05 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p14.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.14]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA18470 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:44:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:44:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810221244.NAA18470@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Game 11? Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Since Game 9 appears to be over now (after Paul's splendidly timed coup de >grace) can we make a start on Game 11? > >It's been suggested that this be the Long Game in honour of York. > >Or should we wait until the lounges are built? Probably better to wait 'til Tuesday and give it a Lounge, I think. It'd just mean faffing around a bit too much, otherwise. Are we generally in favour of it being a Long Game, then? Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I can still remember when I was just a kid; I was free to do what I wanted to, but I never, ever did." -- The Divine Comedy, "A Drinking Song" From Kevan Davis Thu Oct 22 07:29:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14391 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Oct 1998 14:29:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 1998 14:29:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02599 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:27:27 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02587 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:27:08 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p14.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.14]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA18467 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:44:46 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:44:46 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810221244.NAA18467@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 26: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> 1. The Lounges [Enactment] >> >> Each non-Discussion Lounge may have a Game being played within it; >Just one Game per lounge? I suppose that's fair enough in general, but >might make tournament play difficult to organise should we ever have >eight players entering (well, you never know...) All Tournament Games bar the final are played over private email, though, to spare the mailing list from excessive traffic. Arguably many mailing lists might be preferable, but it'd be far too fiddly and pointless to create half a dozen extra Lounges which we won't need again until the next Tournament. Tish. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I used to dream and I used to vow. I wouldn't dream of it now." -- Morrissey, "Glamorous Glue" From Richard Brockie Thu Oct 22 07:30:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15576 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Oct 1998 14:30:54 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 1998 14:30:54 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02668 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:29:15 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02664 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:29:11 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA20879 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:45:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:45:19 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: Re: MN: RE: Game 10 - Buzz on PaulWay In-Reply-To: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428C8E@PIBCRMEXH001> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Wayper, Paul wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > On Wednesday, October 21, 1998 7:59 PM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) > [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > > In fact, you can't place the Tokens *anywhere* since Bank is Quadrant Zero > > and all Quadrants are adjacent to it (Rule 1.4.19). > > So what you're saying here is that anyone in Quadrant Zero is unable to > place tokens anywhere? Exactement, monsieur Wayper - That was the whole thrust of me proposing quadrant zero. --- miKi From Richard Brockie Thu Oct 22 09:11:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26934 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Oct 1998 16:11:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 1998 16:11:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA02167 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:04:49 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02155 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:59:21 +0100 Received: from lewis.roe.ac.uk (lewis.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.87]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA12376 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:51:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:51:25 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 11? In-Reply-To: <199810221244.NAA18470@c...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Are we generally in favour of it being a Long Game, then? I am. You have to keep up some traditions. Incidentally, I am going to a recording of ISIHAC on Sunday evening in Glasgow. Anyone else from here going? --- miKi From Thu Oct 22 10:17:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7598 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Oct 1998 17:17:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 1998 17:17:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA05759 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:16:11 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05750 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:16:04 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA29280 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:38:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 22 Oct 1998 14:38:44 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA02928; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:38:42 +0100 Message-Id: <199810221438.PAA02928@uks447> Date: 22 Oct 98 15:37:12 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 26: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 22-Oct-98 12:44 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Just one Game per lounge? I suppose that's fair enough in general, but >>might make tournament play difficult to organise should we ever have >>eight players entering (well, you never know...) >All Tournament Games bar the final are played over private email, though, >to spare the mailing list from excessive traffic. Arguably many mailing >lists might be preferable, but it'd be far too fiddly and pointless to >create half a dozen extra Lounges which we won't need again until the >next Tournament. Tish. Good point - foolish of me. I just hope such games are not lost to posterity, that's all. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Thu Oct 22 10:49:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 52 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Oct 1998 17:49:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 1998 17:49:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA08438 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:48:56 +0100 Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08434 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:48:50 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA17401 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:47:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 22 Oct 1998 16:47:29 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA22467; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:47:28 +0100 Message-Id: <199810221647.RAA22467@uks447> Date: 22 Oct 98 17:19:28 +0100 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 11? X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 22-Oct-98 15:51 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> Are we generally in favour of it being a Long Game, then? >I am. Ditto, although I would have thought that was obvious. >You have to keep up some traditions. Incidentally, I am going to a >recording of ISIHAC on Sunday evening in Glasgow. Anyone else from here >going? Sadly not. Don't forget to offer strategic advice during the MC round - I remember someone doing that last series. Granted, he was roundly castigated up by Barry Cryer, but still... you have to try. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Fri Oct 23 01:15:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16334 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Oct 1998 08:15:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 1998 08:15:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26285 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:14:30 +0100 Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26282 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:14:19 +0100 Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id SAA17486; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:14:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma017355; Fri, 23 Oct 98 18:13:57 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:13:56 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428C94@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 11? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:13:52 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Friday, October 23, 1998 2:19 AM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > Ditto, although I would have thought that was obvious. Count me in as well. Noole, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Richard Brockie Fri Oct 23 07:04:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7967 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Oct 1998 14:04:31 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 1998 14:04:31 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02844 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:02:43 +0100 Received: from reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (reaxp01.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.31]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02841 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:02:38 +0100 Received: from reaxp05.roe.ac.uk (reaxp05.roe.ac.uk [195.194.120.88]) by reaxp01.roe.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA05643 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:02:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:02:36 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Brockie To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 9 -- buzz on Mr Wayper In-Reply-To: <98102110533244@w...> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Actually, this is not a buzz, because I just checked the rule and see that the > clause about not token running more than once on the same line is no longer > there (if indeed it was ever there -- am I going mad?). I noticed Julie doing > the same trick on the Met line, but didn't buzz her because she's my team-mate. The restriction to once per line should really be there. However, congrats to PaulWay and teammates. The Chartreuse will get their revenge. --- miKi From Julie Craddock Sat Oct 24 06:10:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9139 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Oct 1998 13:10:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 1998 13:10:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00952 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 14:08:45 +0100 Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00949 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 14:08:39 +0100 Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p15.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.15]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA13913 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 14:08:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 14:08:32 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199810241308.OAA13913@c...> X-Sender: elusive@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" From: Julie Craddock Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 0 | 17 | 5 3 0 0 0 7 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 14 | 7 3 4 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 0 | 0 | 3 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 2 | 20 | 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 3 | 2 | 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | dave | East Acton | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 |-16 | 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1700 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Hat (C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) [Power Failure! NT] Kevan : Pass (Ravenscourt Park (DS)) Julie : Pass (High Barnet (NT)) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit. +2 Blue for Pass +1 Black for Same Liner. -1 Bronze for Choccie. } -- elusive@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive - UIN: 4783999 "I'm so ugly, that's ok 'cause so are you." --Nirvana, "Lithium" From Tue Oct 27 05:01:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25496 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Oct 1998 13:01:15 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 1998 13:01:15 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06619 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:59:58 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06616 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:59:53 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA16083 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:59:52 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 27 Oct 1998 12:59:52 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA29928; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:59:46 GMT Message-Id: <199810271259.MAA29928@uks447> Date: 27 Oct 98 12:54:20 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Jon: It's your go in Game 10. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Jonathan David Amery Tue Oct 27 09:04:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19621 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Oct 1998 17:04:53 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 1998 17:04:53 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA13095 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:03:34 GMT Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13092 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:03:30 GMT Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zYCWn-0006iR-00 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:03:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:03:29 +0000 (BST) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 In-Reply-To: <199810271259.MAA29928@uks447> Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On 27 Oct 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > Jon: > > It's your go in Game 10. > Sorry - only just got Julie's... -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### "The last human being on the Earth sat alone in a room. \'####### There was a knock on the door..." - Shortest SF story... From Jonathan David Amery Tue Oct 27 09:10:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22786 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Oct 1998 17:10:53 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 1998 17:10:53 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA13265 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:10:11 GMT Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13260 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:10:06 GMT Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zYCdB-0007UE-00 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:10:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:10:05 +0000 (BST) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 0 | 17 | 5 3 0 0 0 7 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 14 | 7 3 4 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 2 | 2 | 4 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 2 | 20 | 5 0 2 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 3 | 2 | 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | dave | East Acton | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 |-16 | 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1700 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Hat (T) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Hat (C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | | | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) [Power Failure! NT] Kevan : Pass (Ravenscourt Park (DS)) Julie : Pass (High Barnet (NT)) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jon : [LV+2] Watford [Rebounding off Moor Park] { Comments: Ludicrum tempus fugit. +1 Black for Same Liner. +2 Charge. } From Tue Oct 27 14:20:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29755 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Oct 1998 22:20:17 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 1998 22:20:17 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA26880 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:17:44 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26874 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:17:35 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA04854 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:17:33 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 27 Oct 1998 22:17:33 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA18453; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:17:30 GMT Message-Id: <199810272217.WAA18453@uks447> Date: 27 Oct 98 22:14:54 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 - Jon's Second Move X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 27-Oct-98 17:10 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] ... > Jon : [LV+2] Watford [Rebounding off Moor Park] That seems vaguely familiar... I wish I'd Declared that, now (not that you can declare only two termini in sequence, but still). -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Tue Oct 27 14:44:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17046 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Oct 1998 22:44:19 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 1998 22:44:19 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA28236 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:42:04 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28226 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:41:59 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p34.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.34]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA22492 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:41:53 GMT Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:41:53 GMT Message-Id: <199810272241.WAA22492@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Delayed Week-End Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Expect the Week-End stuff at some point tomorrow; I've had a little too much real life today. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "In between stations I can see a million possibilities..." -- David Byrne, "A Long Time Ago" From Wed Oct 28 01:54:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 27-Oct-98 17:10 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 0 | 17 | 5 3 0 0 0 7 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 14 | 7 3 4 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 2 | 2 | 4 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 20 | 1 2 0 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 3 | 2 | 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 | | dave | East Acton | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 |-16 | 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1800 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Zone 2 Pass, Hats (T,V) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Hat (C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | Chalk Farm | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) [Power Failure! NT] Kevan : Pass (Ravenscourt Park (DS)) Julie : Pass (High Barnet (NT)) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jon : [LV+2] Watford [Rebounding off Moor Park] Dunx : Pass (Belsize Park (NT)) [Claiming Verdant Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] { Comment: Gird, gird. In full: restoring the token stack on Chalk Farm (token placed on my last Turn) 0:00 +2 Bu (pass) +1 Bk (same line) 0:10 -1 Br (spending crazy - vapour) 0:10 (hatstand) 0:20 (hatpin) ---- 0:40 tickety tock... } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Oct 28 06:15:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 527 Lounging Around 5 1 - 2 Enacts 0.10.1, Enacts/Repeals 0.10.2 527 Oh, What's the Point? 5 1 - 2 Repeals 0.3.3 528 All the Right Moves 5 1 - 2 Amends muchly 529 Don't Cramp My Strile 3 2 1 2 Amends 1.7.12 530 Charge Tunneling 4 1 1 2 Enacts 1.19.4, Amends 1.7.15 531 Purple Patch 1 1 4 2 Fails 532 Platform Soles 5 1 - 2 Amends 1.14.2 533 Last One to Amersham is... 4 1 1 2 Enacts 1.6.4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 526 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS FOR FOR 527 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS FOR FOR 528 (Dunx) FOR PAS FOR - - FOR FOR FOR 529 (Dunx) AGA PAS FOR - - FOR PAS FOR 530 (Dunx) FOR PAS FOR - - AGA FOR FOR 531 (dave) PAS AGA AGA - - AGA AGA FOR 532 (dave) PAS FOR FOR - - FOR FOR FOR 533 (dave) PAS FOR FOR - - AGA FOR FOR ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 4 39 10 0 18 38 17 10 Halved: 2 19 5 0 9 19 8 5 --------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +10 +12 +0 +0 +0 +10 +0 +0 AGA Votes: -5 -2 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 Decisiveness: +3 +3 +3 +0 +0 +3 +3 +3 Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 Finger/Pulse: +0 +5 +5 +0 +0 +0 +5 +0 Dead Wood: +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +4 +5 +0 Award Ceremony: +0 +8 +0 +0 +0 +3 +0 +1 [a] --------------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +8 +26 +13 +0 +0 +20 +8 +4 Final Kudos: 10 45 18 0 9 39 16 9 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - Dunx (All the Right Moves) IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - Dunx (Don't Cramp my Strile) Mrs Trellis Award - none Clever Bear Award - none Down Underground Award - +1 For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Wed Oct 28 06:15:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29223 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Oct 1998 14:15:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 1998 14:15:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07889 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:13:52 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07883 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:13:47 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p20.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.20]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA16291 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:13:40 GMT Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:13:40 GMT Message-Id: <199810281413.OAA16291@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 27: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Twenty-Seven ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 534 - You Are Here [Amendment] To the list of new Game things in Rule 1.1.2 (A New Game), add:- * The Game shall take place in a Lounge of the Speaker's choice. { Comments : Rather a stupid oversight, there. Tsk. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 535 - We Don't Need No ISO9000 [Amendment] Remove the "Failure to follow Rule 1.2.0" row from Rule 0.9.1 (Kudos). { Comments : We've never, ever, ever remembered to take any notice of this one, and it seems a bit fiddly and pointless anyway. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 536 - Meanwhile, in another Nomic... [Enactment] Upon Enactment of this Rule, any Player who joined Garden Nomic in the past Week and cited Kevan as the Gnome who persuaded em to join shall receive ten Kudos. This Rule will then repeal itself. { Comments : I'll get the Recruitment Medal and be a step nearer winning, is all. Shameful of me, but I really can't think of any more interesting Proposals this Week, and this struck me as amusing. http://members.xoom.com/gnomic, for details. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 537 - Plastic Age (The Buggles) [Multiple] Amend Rule 1.4.10 (This Token has a Cash Value of 0.0001p) to read: Any Player may pay 10 Plastic Tokens of the same colour to exchange them for 1 Gold Token by performing the [Bonanza] Action. Exchanged Tokens are returned to the Token Dispensers where all tokens come from. Amend 1.7.16 (Neutral Actions) so that the [Bonanza] action reads: [Bonanza] 1.4.10 -10 Plastic {Comment: I figured that people want more ways to get those all-important Gold Tokens, and the Bonanza action has been a bit of a fizzer up until now. I don't think this is going to throw the game askew, though. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 538 - Hats: People Aren't Wearing Enough of Them [Amendment] Amend Rule 1.4.20 (Token Collection Table) to add the following entry: | Finishing eir Turn at a Station matching a Hat | +1 Plastic Token | | owned by the Player and not collected at that | per matching | | Station that Turn | Hat | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 539 - Not Long Enough [Multiple] { Comment: There isn't really any adequate way of specifying that an enactment must apply to a specific Special Ruleset, so I'll just say in this comment that this enactment should live in the Long Game section (although I suppose that's obvious from the wording of No Charge...) } [Enactment: No Charge] Rule 1.19.3 (Charge of the Heavy Brigade) shall not apply to the Long Game. { Comment: The point is that we can't really have a Long Game whose length is regulated solely by the large number of Gold Tokens to be collected when Charge can (theoretically) be used to win the Game at any time. The other option would be, of course, to recast Rule 1.19.3 as being a three Gold Token discount, but I don't fancy that. } [Amendment: Apart From This One] Amend Rule 2.5.1 (The Long Game) to read thus: "In the Long Game, the cost for the [Opening MC] action is 25 Gold Tokens." { Comment: removing the (now spurious) assertion that there are no other variations from the Vanilla Ruleset. This clause could also be read to prevent such arcana as a Long Chalk Farm game. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 540 - Running the Game into the Ground [amendment] Amend the final sentence of Rule 1.4.11 (Token Running) to read as follows: A player may not perform the [Token Running] action from the same Terminus more than once per Game, nor may e perform the action when moving away from any other Terminus on a Line on which e has already performed the action, or when moving away from any Terminus in Zone 1. {alternatively...} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 541 - Running out of Steam [repeal] Repeal rule 1.4.11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 542 - Any colour, as long as it's Puce [multiple] {Let's try this again...} Add the following to the end of the first paragraph of Rule 1.4.1 (Token Gesture): Any number of each colour of tokens may be in play except Puce tokens, of which there may be no more than ten in play (either in the possession of players or on token stacks) at any one time per game. Amend the second paragraph of Rule 1.4.1 (Token Gesture) to read as follows: "There are eight colours of Token - three Metallic (Gold, Silver and Bronze) and five Plastic (Black, Blue, Green, Puce and Red)." Add the following description of Puce Tokens to the list in the same rule: * Puce : Wild (may be used in place of any other plastic token, except when being placed on a token stack when it is always Puce; in each case, the user should specify which token(s) it is replacing in the comments at the end of eir turn) Add the following details of the [Silver to Puce] action to Rules 1.7.21 (Bureau de Change) and 1.7.16 (Neutral Actions): Action Cost/Paid Received [Silver to Puce] 1 Silver 2 Puce ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Graeme Jefferis Wed Oct 28 07:29:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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[146.227.102.139]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id PAA04356 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:28:48 GMT From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by nevis.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id PAA00072 for l-nomic@f...; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:28:46 GMT Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:28:46 GMT Message-Id: <199810281528.PAA00072@n...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 delay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: qfRs0Kyc+sA8MtCMfM/yYg== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Sadly, JANET appears to have the 'flu. I'll post the GSD when it lets me see the Map (and indeed, anything on Xoom) once more. In the meantime, here's some light music... -Graeme. From Graeme Jefferis Wed Oct 28 07:33:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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[146.227.102.139]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id PAA04649 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:32:14 GMT From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by nevis.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id PAA01749 for l-nomic@f...; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:32:12 GMT Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:32:12 GMT Message-Id: <199810281532.PAA01749@n...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 delay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: A2OsjnE6UUyF3xhRxcmS3A== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Sadly, JANET appears to have the 'flu. I'll post the GSD when it lets me > see the Map (and indeed, anything on Xoom) once more. Or, of course, I could just use Kevan's old DMU site. Foolish of me. -Graeme. From Graeme Jefferis Wed Oct 28 08:21:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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[146.227.102.139]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id QAA10586 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:19:47 GMT From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by nevis.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id QAA01866 for l-nomic@f...; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:19:45 GMT Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:19:45 GMT Message-Id: <199810281619.QAA01866@n...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: 6v1A+BvjQwSVhEq0g6O+6A== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 0 | 17 | 5 3 0 0 0 7 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 14 | 7 3 4 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 2 | 2 | 4 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 20 | 1 2 0 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 2 | 5 2 1 0 0 2 0 | | dave | East Acton | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 |-16 | 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 1900 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Zone 2 Pass, Hats (T,V) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Hat (C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | Chalk Farm | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) [Power Failure! NT] Kevan : Pass (Ravenscourt Park (DS)) Julie : Pass (High Barnet (NT)) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jon : [LV+2] Watford [Rebounding off Moor Park] Dunx : Pass (Belsize Park (NT)) [Claiming Verdant Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : Pass (Putney Bridge (DS)) { Comment: It's hardly Ruttsborough, but there you are. +1 Bk for a same liner. +2 Bu for passing. Static charge, ha ha. Hickory, tickory, tock. } From kenningd@w... (kenningd) Wed Oct 28 09:21:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23060 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Oct 1998 17:21:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 1998 17:21:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA18259 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:19:10 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA18251 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:19:04 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA26011; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:25:25 GMT Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:01:28 +0100 Message-Id: <98102817012874@w...> From: kenningd@w... (kenningd) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 0 | 17 | 5 3 0 0 0 7 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 14 | 7 3 4 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 2 | 2 | 4 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 20 | 1 2 0 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 2 | 5 2 1 0 0 2 0 | | dave | East Acton | 3 | 21 | 3 0 1 0 0 3 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 0 |-16 | 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 2000 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Zone 2 Pass, Hats (T,V) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | Chalk Farm | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) [Power Failure! NT] Kevan : Pass (Ravenscourt Park (DS)) Julie : Pass (High Barnet (NT)) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jon : [LV+2] Watford [Rebounding off Moor Park] Dunx : Pass (Belsize Park (NT)) [Claiming Verdant Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : Pass (Putney Bridge (DS)) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Ealing Broadway (CN) [Collecting Hat (BR)] [Hands on Hat] {Comment: time advanced new charge: 0+68-47 = 21 -2 Br: purchasing zone 3 rail pass +1 Bk: same line +1 Re: 2-line interchange +1 Br: zone pass held } From Wed Oct 28 09:43:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4662 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Oct 1998 17:43:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 1998 17:43:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA19478 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:42:39 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19475 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:42:35 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA16741 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:42:33 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 28 Oct 1998 17:42:33 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA08691; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:42:31 GMT Message-Id: <199810281742.RAA08691@uks447> Date: 28 Oct 98 17:37:27 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 27: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 28-Oct-98 14:13 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) The Proposals for Week 27 included: >Proposal 535 - We Don't Need No ISO9000 [Amendment] > >Remove the "Failure to follow Rule 1.2.0" row from Rule 0.9.1 (Kudos). > >{ Comments : We've never, ever, ever remembered to take any notice of this > one, and it seems a bit fiddly and pointless anyway. } Quite so - I think it was a viable rule in the early days when no one knew how to lay out a GSD, but nowadays we have a considerable archive to draw on. >Proposal 536 - Meanwhile, in another Nomic... [Enactment] > > Upon Enactment of this Rule, any Player who joined Garden Nomic in the > past Week and cited Kevan as the Gnome who persuaded em to join shall > receive ten Kudos. This Rule will then repeal itself. A bit of a giveaway on the author! > http://members.xoom.com/gnomic, for details. } A shame the link's dead, though... I get an Error 403 message: "You don't have permission to access /g/n/gnomic on this server." >Proposal 537 - Plastic Age (The Buggles) [Multiple] Hmm... probably better than the existing rule. I suppose one Gold token isn't too excessive for sitting in one place for five turns, or making ten moves on the same line. >Proposal 540 - Running the Game into the Ground [amendment] >Proposal 541 - Running out of Steam [repeal] I'd go for killing it. >Proposal 542 - Any colour, as long as it's Puce [multiple] Much better than the last version. >Any number of each colour of tokens may be in play except Puce tokens, of which >there may be no more than ten in play (either in the possession of players or >on token stacks) at any one time per game. I wonder if we need a Puce counter at the top of the GSD? Might be a little easier to keep track of than trawling through all the Player token totals and Token Stacks... still, less likely to be updated as well so it might well be more trouble than it's worth. >* Puce : Wild (may be used in place of any other plastic token, except when >being placed on a token stack when it is always Puce; in each case, the user >should specify which token(s) it is replacing in the comments at the end of eir >turn) I'm still a little concerned that there's nothing to stop someone using just Puces to pay for an Action - I suppose it doesn't really matter when there can only be ten in play, but still... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Oct 28 10:34:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6381 invoked by uid 7770); 28 Oct 1998 18:34:55 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 1998 18:34:55 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA23329 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:30:43 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23323 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:30:31 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p37.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.37]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA04722 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:30:20 GMT Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:30:20 GMT Message-Id: <199810281830.SAA04722@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Charge Delta Calculator (sorry, Dunx) Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Fopping around with Javascript a bit, I surprised myself by managing to write a little Charge Delta Calculator, which I've slipped onto the Web pages. The URL of the thing itself is:- http://members.xoom.com/mornomic/delta.html I'll probably spruce it up a bit at some point, maybe trying to do the cunning "Stations from a given Delta" idea that Dunx came up with, but still. There it is. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Is this the first or the second day of the rest of my life?" -- The Divine Comedy, "I Was Born Yesterday" From Wed Oct 28 21:15:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21809 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Oct 1998 05:15:27 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 1998 05:15:27 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA30107 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:14:33 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA30104 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:14:25 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id PAA09812; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:14:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma009786; Thu, 29 Oct 98 15:14:17 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:14:16 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428C9D@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game 10 Game State Document Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:14:16 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 0 | 17 | 5 3 0 0 0 7 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 14 | 7 3 4 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 2 | 2 | 4 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 20 | 1 2 0 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 2 | 5 2 1 0 0 2 0 | | dave | East Acton | 3 | 21 | 3 0 1 0 0 3 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 6 |-22 | 2 3 1 0 0 2 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 2100 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Zone 2 Pass, Hats (T,V) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | Chalk Farm | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) [Power Failure! NT] Kevan : Pass (Ravenscourt Park (DS)) Julie : Pass (High Barnet (NT)) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jon : [LV+2] Watford [Rebounding off Moor Park] Dunx : Pass (Belsize Park (NT)) [Claiming Verdant Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : Pass (Putney Bridge (DS)) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Ealing Broadway (CN) [Collecting Hat (BR)] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] Bond Street (CN) {Comment: For some reason the only thing I didn't update last move was my LV - it should be three at the start of this move, thus ending at 6. time advanced new charge: -16-6=-22 10mins : LV+3 10mins -1Bk : Different line move (vapourises in Quadrant 0) +1Re : 2-line Interchange +1Bk : moved through three interchanges And God sent them off to playschool so they could have fun. } Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNjdtCMtA22MsBS7iEQKNuQCg5VjajsBaY3QUoManzyZdF6UBMeMAoPta o6YFoEiIRDk8ViRWP1O0IUec =+AQk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Kevan Davis Thu Oct 29 01:01:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16816 invoked by uid 7770); 29 Oct 1998 09:01:52 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 1998 09:01:52 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA07203 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:00:24 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07198 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:00:20 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p22.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.22]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA17257 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:00:17 GMT Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:00:17 GMT Message-Id: <199810290900.JAA17257@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 10 - Tried to Ring Bell, But Cat Had Stolen Batteries Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) > [Power Failure! NT] > [...] >PaulWay : [LV+3] Bond Street (CN) "Buzz", I say. A Power Failure lasts for one Round - until your next post-Move Action phase - so you're more or less just as affected by it as everyone else is. Sorry I've not set up the new Lounges yet, by the way; still too much real life. I'll turn an eye to them this evening, when phonebills are less frightening and I can prod around the Web with little fear. Regards, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Many an ancient lord's last words had been, 'You can't kill me because I've got magic aaargh.'" -- Terry Pratchett, "Interesting Times" From Richard Brockie Thu Oct 29 12:50:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Hello All, Well, my time at ROE is drawing to a close, and I shall be spending the best part of two weeks packing before we travel to the US. Game 9 has finished, so this is a good time to go inactive. I will unsubscribe tomorrow afternoon, so you can broadcast your farewell greetings to me via the list! I plan to return when I have an ISP in the States, so please don't be too cruel too me in the meantime. Oh yes, I passed my viva on Tuesday, and Sunday's recording of ISIHAC was suitably hilarious. I even added a sotto voce "Toot toot" when Tooting Bec was played in the MC round - I think it was Graham trying a Southside Shuffle, but Tim spotted straight away. Splendid game. Willie's ghost was also in evidence that night. Mind the gap! --- miKi From Fri Oct 30 01:36:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: Re: MN: Goodbye for a while... X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 29-Oct-98 20:46 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Best of luck, chap, and see you soon! Hope the move goes well. We'll pop a balloon or two in your absence. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Fri Oct 30 03:49:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26239 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Oct 1998 11:49:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 1998 11:49:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29783 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:48:09 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29780 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:48:05 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02519 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:48:03 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 30 Oct 1998 11:48:02 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA16477; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:48:00 GMT Message-Id: <199810301148.LAA16477@uks447> Date: 30 Oct 98 11:43:18 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Charge Delta Calculator (sorry, Dunx) X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 28-Oct-98 18:30 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) That is rather neat, and much quicker to use than my generated pages (won't thrash the old browser cache half as much). I'll leave my pages in place for anyone who is using a non-JavaScript browser (at least until I run out of space) but I shan't bother updating the look of them to match that of the MN site. Very impressive, I would say, and a much better solution than mine. No apology necessary, in any case. Incidentally, I was about to build a report which lists stations by current along with all stations with the same current (for the new tunneling, you see). Is that still worth doing? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Mon Nov 2 08:32:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5423 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Nov 1998 16:31:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 1998 16:31:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02593 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:26:36 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02588 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:26:25 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA09369 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:26:17 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 2 Nov 1998 16:26:17 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA08527; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:26:14 GMT Message-Id: <199811021626.QAA08527@uks447> Date: 02 Nov 98 16:24:44 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 - PaulWay's Move? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I assume we're waiting for PaulWay to play a replacement Move following Kevan's Buzz. I was going to post a Time Out on Paul's behalf, but I think that would be a bit previous - as far as I can see e has conceded the Buzz by default (Rule 1.16.2 - Kevan Buzzed at 0900 GMT on Thursday, so the 36 hours ran out at 2100 GMT Friday), but presumably e has a further 36 hours to play eir replacement Move? The Buzzing Rules are silent on the matter, so I assume that the normal 36 hour rule kicks in once more. So, I reckon you've got until 0900 GMT on Tuesday to play your replacement Move, sir (hmm... no Spivak equivalent for this verbal tossing of the gauntlet - how unsatisfactory). Apologies for my apparent officiousness, but then again it seems appropriate in this context. Perhaps the warning isn't, but still... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Nov 3 04:06:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2214 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Nov 1998 12:06:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 1998 12:06:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA30138 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:04:44 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30130 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:04:36 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22314 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:04:30 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 3 Nov 1998 12:04:30 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA09081; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:04:26 GMT Message-Id: <199811031204.MAA09081@uks447> Date: 03 Nov 98 11:58:23 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 29-Oct-98 05:14 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 0 | 17 | 5 3 0 0 0 7 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 14 | 7 3 4 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 2 | 2 | 4 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 20 | 1 2 0 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 2 | 5 2 1 0 0 2 0 | | dave | East Acton | 3 | 21 | 3 0 1 0 0 3 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 3 |-16 | 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 2100 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Zone 2 Pass, Hats (T,V) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | Chalk Farm | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) [Power Failure! NT] Kevan : Pass (Ravenscourt Park (DS)) Julie : Pass (High Barnet (NT)) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jon : [LV+2] Watford [Rebounding off Moor Park] Dunx : Pass (Belsize Park (NT)) [Claiming Verdant Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : Pass (Putney Bridge (DS)) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Ealing Broadway (CN) [Collecting Hat (BR)] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : Timeout { Comment: Sorry, Paul, but time must move on... I've left PaulWay's LV at 3 since Time Out does not kill LV as a Forced Pass used to. No other tweaks to reverse. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 3 07:53:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2762 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Nov 1998 15:53:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 1998 15:53:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11013 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:46:07 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10892 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:45:53 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p06.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.6]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA13507 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:45:44 GMT Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:45:44 GMT Message-Id: <199811031545.PAA13507@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Nothing for the Week-End Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I'm going to have to extend the Week-End until further notice, I'm afraid, real life throwing too many things at me and new Gaps springing up to be Minded. I shall be enjoying a few days on the sunny beaches of Communicado, and won't be able to do the Week-End stuff until my return (which should be at least Friday, I hazard). Feel free to Time me Out on the Ruttsborough Game, and sorry for any inconvenience. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Terror, like charity, begins at home." -- The Whitlams, "You Sound Like Louis Burdett" From Kevan Davis Thu Nov 5 02:55:22 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8644 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Nov 1998 10:55:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 1998 10:55:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19244 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:53:05 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19241 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:53:00 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p12.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.12]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA22826 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:52:55 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:52:55 GMT Message-Id: <199811051052.KAA22826@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 3 | 4 | 6 3 0 0 0 7 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 14 | 7 3 4 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 2 | 2 | 4 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 20 | 1 2 0 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 2 | 5 2 1 0 0 2 0 | | dave | East Acton | 3 | 21 | 3 0 1 0 0 3 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 3 |-16 | 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 2200 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica, Balloon | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Zone 2 Pass, Hats (T,V) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | Chalk Farm | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Goldhawk Road | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) [Power Failure! NT] Kevan : Pass (Ravenscourt Park (DS)) Julie : Pass (High Barnet (NT)) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jon : [LV+2] Watford [Rebounding off Moor Park] Dunx : Pass (Belsize Park (NT)) [Claiming Verdant Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : Pass (Putney Bridge (DS)) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Ealing Broadway (CN) [Collecting Hat (BR)] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : Timeout Kevan : [LV+3] Earl's Court (DS) [Blocking Barons Court] { Comments: Belatedly adding my Balloon from miKi. -- The passing of time, and all of its sickening crimes... +1 Black for a same-Liner -0 Red for the Block Charge : -13 -- Week-End stuff in a while. British Rail would like to apologise. } -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is; never try." -- Homer Simpson From Kevan Davis Thu Nov 5 03:17:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18171 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Nov 1998 11:17:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 1998 11:17:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20662 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:16:43 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20654 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:16:38 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p16.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.16]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA24519 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:16:35 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:16:35 GMT Message-Id: <199811051116.LAA24519@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 28: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Twenty-Eight ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 543 - Have At Ye... Er... [Amendment] Amend Rule 0.1.2 (Terms of Reference) by adding the following paragraph after paragraph three: "Should the Players wish to refer to one another in the second person but in a more formal manner than the usual pronoun 'you' allows, then the gender-neutral honorific "Erem" may be used. "Eram" is appropriate wherever the terms "Sir" or "Madam" might be used in non-Spivak discourse. " eg After you, erem. Have at ye, erem!" { Comment: Attempting to address the apparent hole in Spivak of not having a suitably snooty way of saying 'you'. The example phrases seem so appropriate to tournament play and yet just don't seem right without some form of honorific, after all. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 544 - Pegs Tie [Action] A Line Segment between two Pegged Stations may itself be Pegged by playing the Post-Move Action [Pegging from to ] ... where & are Pegged Stations and is a Line upon which both Stations rest and via which there is a continuous route between the Stations that requires no changes in direction. The order of Stations in the Action is not significant. This Action must be played in the same Turn as and immediately following the Action which Pegged one of the end points of the Line Segment. Pegging a Line Segment causes all Stations in that Line Segment to be considered Pegged. Note that only the specified Line is Pegged - if another Line runs parallel to the Pegged Line Segment, then that remains unpegged until and unless it is Pegged in its own right. A Line Segment may not be Pegged if any Player Piece rests upon it or if it overlaps another Pegged Line Segment. A Line Segment is Unpegged when one of its end Stations is Unpegged. Action: [Pegging From To ] Cost: 1 Bu per unpegged Station in Line Segment Duration: 20 mins ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Kevan Davis Thu Nov 5 03:17:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18203 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Nov 1998 11:17:43 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 1998 11:17:43 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20657 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:16:40 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20650 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:16:35 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p16.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.16]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA24510 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:16:31 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:16:31 GMT Message-Id: <199811051116.LAA24510@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 28: Voting Results for Week 27 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 534 You Are Here 3 1 - 3 Amends 1.1.2 535 We Don't Need No ISO9000 3 1 - 3 Amends 0.9.1 536 Meanwhile, in another Nomic.. 1 1 2 3 Fails [a] 537 Plastic Age (The Buggles) 4 - - 3 Amends 1.4.10/1.7.16 538 Hats: People Aren't Wearing.. 1 1 2 3 Fails 539 Not Long Enough 3 1 - 3 Enacts 2.5.2, Amends 2.5.1 540 Running the Game into the... 2 1 1 3 Amends 1.4.11 541 Running out of Steam 4 - - 3 Repeals 1.4.11 [b] 542 Any colour, as long as it's.. 1 1 2 3 Fails ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Oh well. I Won the first Game of Garden Nomic anyway, for what it's worth. [b] Rule 1.7.2 (Pre-Move Actions) has been amended by Point of Order, to remove the now extraneous "Token Running" Action. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 534 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS - - 535 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS - - 536 (Kevan) FOR AGA AGA - - PAS - - 537 (PaulWay) FOR FOR FOR - - FOR - - 538 (Dunx) AGA PAS FOR - - AGA - - 539 (Dunx) FOR PAS FOR - - FOR - - 540 (dave) PAS FOR FOR - - AGA - - 541 (dave) FOR FOR FOR - - FOR - - 542 (dave) PAS FOR AGA - - AGA - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 10 45 18 0 9 39 16 9 Halved: 5 22 9 0 4 19 4 --------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +7 +4 +0 +0 +0 +7 +4 AGA Votes: -3 -2 -0 -0 -0 -2 I -0 Decisiveness: +3 +3 +3 +0 +0 +3 n +0 Voting/Own: -3 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 a -0 c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 t +0 EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 i -0 Finger/Pulse: +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 v +0 e Award Ceremony: +0 +3 +0 +0 +0 +3 +0 [c] --------------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +4 +8 +3 +0 +0 +11 +4 Final Kudos: 9 30 12 0 4 30 16 8 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [c] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - Dunx (Not Long Enough) Mrs Trellis Award - none Clever Bear Award - none Down Underground Award - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From kenningd@w... (kenningd) Thu Nov 5 03:52:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 473 invoked by uid 7770); 5 Nov 1998 11:52:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 1998 11:52:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22498 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:51:33 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22495 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:51:29 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA15638; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:58:12 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:37:18 +0100 Message-Id: <98110511371814@w...> From: kenningd@w... (kenningd) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 28: Voting Results for Week 27 X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >541 Running out of Steam 4 - - 3 Repeals 1.4.11 [b] >541 (dave) FOR FOR FOR - - FOR - - Amazing. It's gone. At last. And I didn't even *need* to vote for it myself. Oh well, it doesn't hurt to make sure. dave From Kevan Davis Thu Nov 5 12:19:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just to announce that, after much faffing, the Lounges are up and running - the Ruttsborough Game should now be moved to the Rushton Memorial Lounge; subscribe to it by sending a blank email to "l-nomic-r-subscribe@egroups.com". A Long Game will start shortly in the Lyttleton Lounge - those of you who wish to join should sign up to it (l-nomic-l-subscribe@egroups.com) and post a message declaring your intention to play. I'll put a fancy lounge-joining form up on the main Web page at some point, as well as a list of games in progress and whatnot. Bear with me. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I have to carve the gargoyles, because I can carve nothing else; I leave to others the angels and the arches and the spires." -- G.K. Chesterton From Kevan Davis Fri Nov 6 11:09:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5301 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Nov 1998 19:09:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 1998 19:09:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23092 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:05:15 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23071 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:04:56 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p10.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.10]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA10876 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:04:49 GMT Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:04:49 GMT Message-Id: <199811061904.TAA10876@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Julie's Inactivity Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just to announce Julie's declaration of Inactivity until further notice - it's now therefore Jon's Turn in Game 10, which needs to be moved to the Rushton Lounge. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Apparently you can tell a lot about someone's personality from what they're like." -- Harry Hill From Tue Nov 10 00:59:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: Game 10 Game State Document X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 05-Nov-98 10:52 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Player | Home | LV | Ch | Tokens | | | | | | Bk Bu Br Go Gr Re Si | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ | Kevan | West Brompton | 3 | 4 | 6 3 0 0 0 7 2 | | Julie | Clapham South | 0 | 14 | 7 3 4 2 0 3 1 | |*Drone | | 0 | 0 | 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Jon | Croxley | 2 | 2 | 4 0 2 0 0 2 0 | | Dunx | South Wimbledon | 0 | 20 | 1 2 0 0 0 1 1 | | Grimace | West Kensington | 0 | 2 | 5 2 1 0 0 2 0 | | dave | East Acton | 3 | 21 | 3 0 1 0 0 3 0 | | PaulWay | Limehouse | 3 |-16 | 2 3 1 0 0 1 0 | +------------+-------------------+----+----+----------------------+ +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ | Bridges: Down || WILD STATIONS || Time: Sat 2300 | +---------------+| |+----------------+ +---------------+| |+----------------+ | Out of Knip || || Circle: <-> | +---------------++------------------------------++----------------+ +Possessions----+-------------------------------------------------+ | Kevan | Harmonica, Balloon | | Julie | Zone 2 Pass, Chocolate Bar | | Dunx | Zone 4 Pass, Zone 2 Pass, Hats (T,V) | | PaulWay | Zone 2 Pass | | Grimace | | | dave | Zone 3 Pass, Hat (B,C) | +---------------+-------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ | Euston | Bk | Tott & Whetstone| ReReReRe | | Shoreditch | BkBk | Chalk Farm | Bk | +-----------------+--------------+-----------------+--------------+ +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | Damaged | Goldhawk Road | +---------+-------------------------------------------------------+ Kevan : [Home: West Brompton] West Brompton (DS) Dunx : [Home: South Wimbledon] South Wimbledon (NT) Kevan : [LV+3] Hammersmith (PD via DS) Julie : [Home: Clapham South] Clapham South (NT) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Dunx : Pass (South Wimbledon (NT)) [Bulkheading Colliers Wood] [Purchasing Zone 4 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [Home: Limehouse] Limehouse (DL) [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] [Collecting Hat] Kevan : [LV+3] Paddington (CL via PD) [Collecting Hat] [Knocking BR Hat off PaulWay] Julie : [LV+3] Stockwell (NT) [Knocking Hat off Dunx] Dunx : [LV+1] Morden (NT) [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Knocking Compass Hat Off Julie] Grimace : Forced Pass PaulWay : [LV+3] Shoreditch (EL via DL) Kevan : [LV-1] Kings Cross St Pancras (CL) [Purchasing Harmonica] Julie : [LV+1] Embankment (NT) Dunx : [LV+2] [Token Running] Morden [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [Home: West Kensington] West Kensington (DS) PaulWay : Forced Pass Kevan : [LV+3] Gloucester Road (DS via NT, VC) [Claiming a Black Token from Euston] [Blocking Earls Court] Julie : [LV+3] Camden Town (NT) [Using the Northern Line Rocket Manoeuvre] [Blocking Euston] Dunx : Morden (NT) [Rebounding Off Colliers Wood] [Terminus Slingshot to High Barnet (NT)] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+3] Ravenscourt Park (DS) [Collecting Hat] PaulWay : Pass [Knocking Verdant Hat off Grimace] [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Kevan : [LV-1] Ravenscourt Park (DS via CL,CN,HC) [Shunting Grimace to Parsons Green] Julie : [LV+3] High Barnet (NT) [Shunting Dunx to Camden Town] Jon : [Home: Croxley] Croxley [Blocking Moor Park] Dunx : [LV+2] Belsize Park (NT) [Black Token on Chalk Farm] [Collecting Hat] [Hands On Hat] Grimace : [LV+1] Putney Bridge [Blocking Parsons Green] dave : [Home: East Acton] East Acton (CN) [Collecting Compass Hat] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : [LV+3] [Eating Chocolate Bar] Monument (for Bank) (NT via EL, DS) [Power Failure! NT] Kevan : Pass (Ravenscourt Park (DS)) Julie : Pass (High Barnet (NT)) [Purchasing Chocolate Bar] Jon : [LV+2] Watford [Rebounding off Moor Park] Dunx : Pass (Belsize Park (NT)) [Claiming Verdant Hat] [Hands On Hat] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Grimace : Pass (Putney Bridge (DS)) dave : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 3 Pass] Ealing Broadway (CN) [Collecting Hat (BR)] [Hands on Hat] PaulWay : Timeout Kevan : [LV+3] Earl's Court (DS) [Blocking Barons Court] Jon : Timeout { Comment: Sorry, Jon - but Kevan played eir Move on Thursday (apologies for the cross posting - I just wasn't sure if Jon was present in the Rushton Lounge) I'll hang fire on my Move for a few hours to see if you want to post something of your own. Game Time tweaked. } -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (kenningd) Tue Nov 10 03:37:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30132 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 11:37:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 11:37:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23212 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:31:23 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23209 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:31:19 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA20600; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:38:16 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:27:34 +0100 Message-Id: <98111011273439@w...> From: kenningd@w... (kenningd) To: L-NOMIC@f..., L-NOMIC-L@egroups.com, L-NOMIC-R@egroups.com Subject: MN: reading GSDs onthe web X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: L-NOMIC-L@EGROUPS.COM L-NOMIC-R@EGROUPS.COM,KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) For some reason, my preferences for reading egroups mail were set to read it on the web, which I discovered when I checked online to see why I wasn't getting any mail. It's not a problem, I've fixed it now anyway, but there is a problem with the format of the GSD when translated into HTML on the egroups web page. Can I therefore suggest that all games being played in the new lounges should have
tags around the table in the GSD (that's <pre> </pre> for those with html email browsers) -- I believe this simple measure should solve any problems of legibility. (I might try sending a sample GSD to one of the empty lounges to check) dave From kenningd@w... (kenningd) Tue Nov 10 03:56:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4887 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 11:56:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 11:56:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24303 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:54:11 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24300 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:54:07 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA22739; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:01:05 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:52:06 +0100 Message-Id: <98111011520637@w...> From: kenningd@w... (kenningd) To: L-NOMIC@f... Subject: MN: bugger X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Sorry for sending that last message to all three lists -- probably could have got away with just sending it to the main list. Anyway, I sent a sample GSD with pre tags to the cryer lounge, and it didn't work. Has anyone got any better ideas? dave From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 10 04:13:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11523 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 12:13:16 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 12:13:16 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25289 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:11:44 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25285 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:11:37 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p22.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.22]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA27534 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:11:35 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:11:35 GMT Message-Id: <199811101211.MAA27534@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Re: MN-R: reading GSDs onthe web Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) [reiterating this one to the main Mornomic list; I only saw dave's posting to the Rushton Lounge when I checked my mail earlier] >For some reason, my preferences for reading egroups mail were set to read it on >the web, which I discovered when I checked online to see why I wasn't getting >any mail. Dear eGroups and its default options. I think I've got all the Lounges working as I wish them to, now, anyway... >It's not a problem, I've fixed it now anyway, but there is a problem with the >format of the GSD when translated into HTML on the egroups web page. Can I >therefore suggest that all games being played in the new lounges should have >
tags around the table in the GSD (that's <pre> </pre> >for those with html email browsers) -- I believe this simple measure should >solve any problems of legibility. Actually there's a "Source" link, or something, on each message - a click of this will display the email in a proportional font, with blathering headers intact. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Maybe this world is another planet's hell." -- Aldous Huxley From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 10 06:00:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3693 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 14:00:35 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 14:00:35 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA30963 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:57:50 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA30957 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:57:39 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p14.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.14]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA03960 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:57:26 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:57:26 GMT Message-Id: <199811101357.NAA03960@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Voting Results for Week 28 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 543 Have At Ye... Er... 1 1 1 4 Inquorate 544 Pegs Tie 1 1 1 4 Inquorate ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 543 (Dunx) AGA PAS - - - FOR - - 544 (Dunx) FOR PAS - - - AGA - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 9 30 12 0 4 30 16 8 Halved: 4 15 6 0 2 15 4 --------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +2 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 AGA Votes: -0 -2 -0 -0 -0 -0 I -0 Decisiveness: +3 +3 +0 +0 +0 +3 n +0 Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 a -0 c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 t +0 EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 -0 i -0 Finger/Pulse: +0 +5 +0 +0 +0 +0 v +0 e Award Ceremony: +0 +4 +0 +0 +0 +3 +0 [a] --------------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +3 +12 +0 +0 +0 +6 +0 Final Kudos: 7 27 6 0 0 21 16 4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - Dunx (Have At Ye... er...) Clever Bear Award - none Down Underground Award - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 10 06:01:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4296 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 14:01:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 14:01:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA30966 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:57:54 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA30960 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:57:44 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p14.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.14]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA03967 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:57:30 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:57:30 GMT Message-Id: <199811101357.NAA03967@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Twenty-Nine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 545 - Playing the Spoons [Amendment] { Comments : An idle rewording of the Spoon rule, since nobody's ever used it. It just removes the Turn-duration-halving (rather superfluous if you can't perform most Actions), takes away the strange Token-doubling and imposes, as more befitting a Clamp, an LV restriction. } Reword Rule 1.7.4 (Open the Cutlery Drawer, Mrs Higgins) to:- "A Player may perform the Action of "[Spooning ]", where "" is a Player adjacent to the Actioning Player's Piece position. A Spooned Player gains a "Spoon Clamp" Possession. Spoon Clamps are Indestructable Possessions. If a Player is carrying a Spoon Clamp, e may not perform any Action which involves the expenditure of Blue, Red, Silver or Gold Tokens, and if eir LV is ever above four, it becomes four. A Player may destroy a single Spoon Clamp which they are carrying, by performing the Action of "[Unspoon]" whilst at any Station in Quadrant Zero." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 546 - Walk? Don't Walk [Multiple] { Comments : More or less random editing, here - I'm just wondering if we'd be better off without Walking; it seems too much of a wishy- washy escape from Power Failures, and an easy (easily overlooked) way to sneak around between Lines. I'm not vehemently against it, just trying to simplify the Ruleset a bit, trying to tighten the Game to a few powerful elements rather than a collection of get-out-clauses. } 1. A Short Pier [Repeal] Repeal Rule 1.7.10 (Walk the Walk). 2. Don't Walk Away From Me [Amendment] Remove the "Walking" Action from Rule 1.7.3 (Move Substitution Actions). 3. I Haven't The Power [Amendment] Replace the second paragraph and bulleted list of Rule 1.7.8 (Power Failure!) with:- "Moves that start, end or pass through any Stations on a Line that has suffered a Power Failure are Invalid." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 547 - Shadow Boxing [Amendment] To Rule 1.7.25 (The Coming of Shadows), add the paragraph:- "A Player may not Shadow and Shunt a Player during the same Play." { Comments : Being able to Shadow a Player to gain eir LV and a Token, and then to Shunt them with that new LV and claim something *else*... A shade overpowerful and unsporting, I think. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 548 - Didn't They Used to Make Computers? [Action] A Player must play the Post-Move Action [Atari], if e believes that e can win on eir next Turn. Playing Atari when it is impossible to win on the next Turn is Illegal. There is no requirement to explain how a win might be achieved when playing [Atari], although an explanation may be needed if the Action is challenged. A winning Play shall be deemed Illegal unless the Player has played an Action of [Atari] on the Turn prior to that of eir otherwise winning Play. Name: Atari Type: Post-Move Cost: none Duration: none { Comment: Borrowing an idea from Go (and, to a certain extent, chess) of giving fair warning when something bad is about to happen. Atari would prevent serendipitous victories, but it would also stop stealth victories which (I seem to recall) was an objection to the Charge idea. It might also help to undermine gross misinterpretation of the Rules. Note that there is no cost associated with playing Atari, nor is there any penalty for playing Atari and then not winning. The only penalty is for playing Atari when you cannot, in fact, win. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Tue Nov 10 07:21:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23921 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 15:21:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 15:21:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02548 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:15:21 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02542 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:15:15 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05629 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:15:12 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 15:15:11 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA27222; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:15:10 GMT Message-Id: <199811101515.PAA27222@uks447> Date: 10 Nov 98 15:03:32 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Lounge Lists MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) An interesting thing - GSDs seem to take a long time to come through on the new lounges, but are visible ahead of time on the archive facility. My Turn in Game 10 is already visible through the archive, for instance, but I haven't seen it yet through my normal mail account. Odd. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Nov 10 07:25:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26357 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 15:25:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 15:25:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02886 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:20:58 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02883 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:20:48 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA06709 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:20:41 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 15:20:41 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA28040; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:20:39 GMT Message-Id: <199811101520.PAA28040@uks447> Date: 10 Nov 98 15:15:10 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Voting Results for Week 28 X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 10-Nov-98 13:57 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >543 Have At Ye... Er... 1 1 1 4 Inquorate >544 Pegs Tie 1 1 1 4 Inquorate Oh, dear... I don't think I'll bother resubmitting, since they failed like that. Disappointing though. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Nov 10 07:36:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2422 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 15:36:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 15:36:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03662 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:33:10 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03658 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:33:00 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA08787 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:32:53 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 15:32:53 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA29792; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:32:50 GMT Message-Id: <199811101532.PAA29792@uks447> Date: 10 Nov 98 15:27:31 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 10-Nov-98 13:57 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) The Proposals for Week 29 included: > Proposal 545 - Playing the Spoons [Amendment] Better. I seem to recall that the one time someone was actually spooned, the token doubling effect was so catastrophic that there was some dreadfully unsporting collusion to remove it. A shame really, since the token doubling effect was intended as some sort of recompense for not being able to attack. This form might actually get used, although the catastrophic nature of the token doubling has certainly been reduced now that Token Running has gone. > Proposal 546 - Walk? Don't Walk [Multiple] *shrug* Again, disuse suggests it's not worth hanging onto. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (kenningd) Tue Nov 10 07:44:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7929 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 15:44:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 15:44:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04024 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:39:25 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04010 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:39:19 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA19701; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:46:09 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:37:14 +0100 Message-Id: <98111015371440@w...> From: kenningd@w... (kenningd) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Lounge Lists X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >An interesting thing - GSDs seem to take a long time to come through on >the new lounges, but are visible ahead of time on the archive facility. My >Turn in Game 10 is already visible through the archive, for instance, but >I haven't seen it yet through my normal mail account. > >Odd. It may be a good idea to check your settings -- you may find that you've been mysteriously taken off email distribution, as I found earlier. dave PS thanks Kevan for the advice about the 'source' option. I completely overlooked that. From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 10 07:53:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12300 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 15:53:43 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 15:53:43 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04295 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:43:08 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04289 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:42:59 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p26.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.26]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA10725 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:42:53 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:42:53 GMT Message-Id: <199811101542.PAA10725@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Lounge Lists Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >An interesting thing - GSDs seem to take a long time to come through on >the new lounges, but are visible ahead of time on the archive facility. My >Turn in Game 10 is already visible through the archive, for instance, but >I haven't seen it yet through my normal mail account. > >Odd. Such is the way of eGroups, it seems - Garden Nomic emails often take hours to get through; I only got yesterday's Voting Results this morning. Goodness knows why or how the delay comes about - some messages get through straight away, others not. I've sent off three at once, before now, and had two of them arrive back immediately whilst the third circled around for eight or nine hours before finding its way home. But, as you say, the archives seem to be more or less immediate, which partly makes up for it. I just fear the day when delayed messages make for superfluous Buzzes and Timeouts, really. I suppose if we all make a point of checking the archive to see if the Buzzee has submitted a replacement GSD already, it'll be alright. Still. Pity about those Voting Results, this Week. And there was me thinking that we'd be alright without the Apathy Rule. Tsk. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "The management regret to announce that due to budgetary constraints the light at the end of the tunnel has been switched off." -- Anon. From Tue Nov 10 08:00:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15724 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 16:00:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 16:00:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05189 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:57:58 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05184 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:57:53 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA13100 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:57:51 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 15:57:51 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA03657; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:57:49 GMT Message-Id: <199811101557.PAA03657@uks447> Date: 10 Nov 98 15:54:21 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Lounge Lists X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 10-Nov-98 14:37 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>An interesting thing - GSDs seem to take a long time to come through on >>the new lounges, but are visible ahead of time on the archive facility. My >>Turn in Game 10 is already visible through the archive, for instance, but >>I haven't seen it yet through my normal mail account. >> >>Odd. >It may be a good idea to check your settings -- you may find that you've been >mysteriously taken off email distribution, as I found earlier. Will do, although I think they're OK - I have had messages through the lounges, just not quickly - the Game 10 GSD I submitted this morning (in lieu of Jon) arrived after three and a half hours, other messages took half an hour. Ah well - I suppose it is in eGroup's interest to make us go to their site to check. This may help to explain the erratic timings. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (kenningd) Tue Nov 10 08:08:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19905 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 16:08:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 16:08:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA05712 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:06:11 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA05709 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:06:07 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA18416; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:13:06 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:42:42 +0100 Message-Id: <98111015424251@w...> From: kenningd@w... (kenningd) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Proposals X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> Proposal 546 - Walk? Don't Walk [Multiple] > >*shrug* > >Again, disuse suggests it's not worth hanging onto. A similar philosophy has got me considering submitting a proposal to do away with game time. There was only that one incident when a quick win was scuppered by MC being closed, and apart from that the chance of trying to move to a station and actually finding it closed is fairly small anyway. Obviously, there is the turn duration aspect of time to consider, but that can be converted into points (say a move may not have a total points value more than 60, rather than a duration of more than one hour). I can't think of any other serious implications of getting rid of game time, and the only reason I haven't submitted a propsoal already is that it's going to be a mighty big one just to make sure everything is covered and no loopholes are left. Of course, if it's not going to be a popular idea, I won't bother proposing it -- what do folk think? dave From Tue Nov 10 08:58:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17266 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 16:58:43 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 16:58:43 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08679 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:54:19 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08675 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:54:04 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22040 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:53:55 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 16:53:55 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA12986; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:53:52 GMT Message-Id: <199811101653.QAA12986@uks447> Date: 10 Nov 98 16:40:28 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 10-Nov-98 14:42 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Again, disuse suggests it's not worth hanging onto. >A similar philosophy has got me considering submitting a proposal to do away >with game time. There was only that one incident when a quick win was >scuppered >by MC being closed, and apart from that the chance of trying to move to a >station and actually finding it closed is fairly small anyway. Actually, that's not entirely true - there were certainly tactical moments in the team game where the opennes or otherwise dictated what went on - Grimace was stuck at Kensington (Olympia) for a few turns, and I know Kevan was manipulating Game Time to ensure that continued for as long as possible. I suspect that the effect of Game Time is largely invisible: people just don't do things that would conflict. In this respect I think it's quite similar to the turn duration rules, in that these act as a control on how many things can be done but they've resulted in very few buzzes (in fact I can think of only one instance, and that was when something that should have been buzzed wasn't). >Obviously, there is the turn duration aspect of time to consider, but that can >be converted into points (say a move may not have a total points value more >than 60, rather than a duration of more than one hour). Indeed. I've thought about using counters to represent durations for each Action to try and make a live action version of this game work. >I can't think of any other serious implications of getting rid of game time, >and the only reason I haven't submitted a propsoal already is that it's going >to be a mighty big one just to make sure everything is covered and no >loopholes >are left. There are other aspects though: - Sunday rules, such as the Holy Stations toll (not serious, I'll grant) - damaged station repairs are linked to the turning over of a day. I suppose this could be tied to Round passage instead, but it seems interesting. ... and those are just off the top of my head. It would be a *big* job. And we might have to rename Carol Vorderman's Revenge: it makes no sense without Richard Whiteley there too. >Of course, if it's not going to be a popular idea, I won't bother proposing it >-- what do folk think? I agree that maintaining Game Time can be onerous, but for myself I still rather like it and it does introduce a certain tactical flexibility. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (kenningd) Tue Nov 10 09:27:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 702 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 17:27:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 17:27:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA10623 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:26:04 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10557 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:26:00 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA32635; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:32:58 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:23:57 +0100 Message-Id: <98111017235718@w...> From: kenningd@w... (kenningd) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Proposals X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Actually, that's not entirely true - there were certainly tactical moments in >the team game where the opennes or otherwise dictated what went on - Grimace >was stuck at Kensington (Olympia) for a few turns, and I know Kevan was >manipulating Game Time to ensure that continued for as long as possible. Ah. I missed that. Must have been while I was away. >In this respect I think it's quite similar to the turn duration rules, I suppose so, but to a much lesser extent. >There are other aspects though: >- Sunday rules, such as the Holy Stations toll (not serious, I'll grant) I don't think we'd miss that too much. >- damaged station repairs are linked to the turning over of a day. I suppose >this could be tied to Round passage instead, but it seems interesting. Hmmm. Could be a bit trickier to get round that one. >And we might have to rename Carol Vorderman's Revenge: it makes no sense >without Richard Whiteley there too. I've got that covered -- I'll post a draft for comment before submitting the final proposal. >I agree that maintaining Game Time can be onerous, but for myself I still >rather like it and it does introduce a certain tactical flexibility. OK, fair enough. I personally think it doesn't contribute that much to the game, but if the majority are of your opinion, then I'll leave well alone. dave From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 10 13:13:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23410 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Nov 1998 21:13:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 21:13:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA23686 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:11:53 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23683 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:11:49 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p76.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.76]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA05105 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:11:39 GMT Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:11:39 GMT Message-Id: <199811102111.VAA05105@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Trouble at Xoom Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just to mention that I'm having some trouble with Mornomic's Web pages at Xoom, apparently having lost permission to update or otherwise modify the files in my account. I've kicked them about it and should get something sorted before too long, but until that time the Web pages are going to be out of date, I'm afraid. (Lucky no Proposals passed this Week, I suppose.) Mind the gap, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Carry this, Zathras. Fix this, Zathras. Poor Zathras, no-one listen to Zathras." -- Zathras, "Babylon 5 (War Without End, Part Two)" From Tue Nov 10 16:36:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25022 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Nov 1998 00:36:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 1998 00:36:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA02465 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:34:32 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA02456 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:34:19 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id KAA23625; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:34:12 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma023569; Wed, 11 Nov 98 10:34:07 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:34:06 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428CBA@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Voting Results for Week 28 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:34:05 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Wednesday, November 11, 1998 1:15 AM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > Oh, dear... I don't think I'll bother resubmitting, since they failed like > that. Disappointing though. No, try it again when I'm voting... :-) Have fun, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Tue Nov 10 21:54:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14205 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Nov 1998 05:54:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 1998 05:54:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA18816 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 05:53:42 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA18813 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 05:53:34 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id PAA02359; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:53:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma002274; Wed, 11 Nov 98 15:53:19 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:53:18 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428CBB@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Proposals Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:53:17 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Wednesday, November 11, 1998 12:43 AM, kenningd@w... [SMTP:kenningd@w...] wrote: > A similar philosophy has got me considering submitting a proposal to do > away with game time. There was only that one incident when a quick > win was scuppered by MC being closed, and apart from that the chance > of trying to move to astation and actually finding it closed is fairly small > anyway. And we've played, what, four or five games with game time being a factor? I don't think this is a good enough trial. Besides, it's very useful for things like station damage and holy station tolls. That's my thoughts, anyway Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Wed Nov 11 00:49:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13662 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Nov 1998 08:25:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 1998 08:25:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25850 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:24:04 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25843 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:24:00 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.82] (cvl178082.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.82]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA14601 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 03:27:13 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 03:25:42 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >On Wednesday, November 11, 1998 12:43 AM, kenningd@w... >[SMTP:kenningd@w...] wrote: >> A similar philosophy has got me considering submitting a proposal to do >> away with game time. There was only that one incident when a quick >> win was scuppered by MC being closed, and apart from that the chance >> of trying to move to astation and actually finding it closed is fairly >small >> anyway. > >And we've played, what, four or five games with game time being a factor? I >don't think this is a good enough trial. Besides, it's very useful for >things like station damage and holy station tolls. > >That's my thoughts, anyway Personally, I like the game time for it's wossname. (Thematic appropriateness.) Not having actually played in a game yet, I don't have an opinion on its usefulness, but it certainly adds more color to the game than "Turn Points" would, imo. (Gosh, my first Mornington Nomic post. I feel like I should bronze it.) --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --Diablo, "Goats" (www.goats.com) From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Wed Nov 11 01:00:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28508 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Nov 1998 08:41:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 1998 08:41:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26640 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:40:26 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26635 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:40:21 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.82] (cvl178082.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.82]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA15380 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 03:43:39 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 03:42:07 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: MN: Lounges? Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Newbie question: I'm not sure I understand the deal with the various Lounges; the notes on the web page weren't very clear. (To my mind, anyway.) Do I need to be signed up to some additional lists, or something? --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --Diablo, "Goats" (www.goats.com) From Wed Nov 11 01:25:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3034 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Nov 1998 09:25:03 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 1998 09:25:03 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28880 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:24:14 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28877 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:24:10 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA19535 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:24:09 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 11 Nov 1998 09:24:08 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA14774; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:24:06 GMT Message-Id: <199811110924.JAA14774@uks447> Date: 11 Nov 98 09:20:11 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Lounges? X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 11-Nov-98 08:42 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Newbie question: Welcome, by the way. >I'm not sure I understand the deal with the various Lounges; the notes on >the web page weren't very clear. (To my mind, anyway.) Do I need to be >signed up to some additional lists, or something? I believe that Kevan is in the process of updating the MN pages appropriately, but since e's been excluded by Xoom for the moment I hope e won't mind if I offer an explanation. The basic idea is that we now have separate lists for playing the games, the reasoning being that it would be nice to have more than a couple of games going at once without clogging up the main discussion list. Tournament games (as and when they occur) will be via private email. There are five lounges (Brooke-Taylor, Cryer, Garden, Lyttleton and Rushton Memorial) each having its own mailing list (hosted by eGroups rather than foobar). Unless you want to see all the games in progress, you only need to sign up to the lounge lists where games you are playing are being held. To subscribe to a lounge, send an empty message to: l-nomic--subscribe@egroups.com ... where is one of b, c, g, l, or r depending on which lounge you wish to subscribe to. You'll then need to reply to the confirmation message eGroups sends, and you'll be there. Is that reasonably clear? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Nov 11 04:01:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12147 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Nov 1998 12:01:31 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 1998 12:01:31 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04670 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:59:45 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04666 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:59:41 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p12.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.12]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA22755 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:59:34 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:59:34 GMT Message-Id: <199811111159.LAA22755@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 12/13 preamble Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Now that Game 10 has been won by Dunx with an impressive bit of Charging (witness the archive in the Rushton Memorial Lounge), does anyone have any preferences for Game 12? And Game 13, for that matter - now that we've got a few Lounges, it won't hurt to have several games going on at once, with Players joining whichever intrigue them. I propose Game 12 as being a normal-Ruleset game in the Cryer Lounge, and Game 13 being a Capture the Flag variant in the Garden Lounge (since I'm interested to see how that Special Ruleset actually plays). Any thoughts? Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I play postal chess with a man who doesn't know me." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "4AD3DCD" From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Wed Nov 11 23:53:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7490 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Nov 1998 07:53:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 1998 07:53:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA18230 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:53:00 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA18223 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:52:52 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.93] (cvl178093.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.93]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA24428 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:56:10 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:54:38 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: Lounges? Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Is that reasonably clear? Aha! Thanks muchly :) --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --Diablo, "Goats" (www.goats.com) From Thu Nov 12 02:54:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28463 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Nov 1998 10:54:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 1998 10:54:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29167 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:52:43 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29164 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:52:37 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23833 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:52:35 GMT Received: from uksn43.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 12 Nov 1998 10:52:35 UT Received: by uksn43 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00086; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:52:33 GMT Message-Id: <199811121052.KAA00086@uksn43> Date: 12 Nov 98 10:50:00 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 12/13 preamble X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UNX8.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 11-Nov-98 11:59 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id KAA29165 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I propose Game 12 as being a normal-Ruleset game in the Cryer Lounge, and >Game 13 being a Capture the Flag variant in the Garden Lounge (since I'm >interested to see how that Special Ruleset actually plays). Any thoughts? Those both sound like excellent ideas - can I also suggest a Chalk Farm 84 game in the Brooke-Taylor lounge also? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (kenningd) Thu Nov 12 03:19:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7708 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Nov 1998 11:19:33 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 1998 11:19:33 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA30675 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:18:37 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA30663 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:18:32 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA12037; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:25:36 GMT Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:04:14 +0100 Message-Id: <98111211041405@w...> From: kenningd@w... (kenningd) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 12/13 preamble X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>I propose Game 12 as being a normal-Ruleset game in the Cryer Lounge, and >>Game 13 being a Capture the Flag variant in the Garden Lounge (since I'm >>interested to see how that Special Ruleset actually plays). Any thoughts? > >Those both sound like excellent ideas - can I also suggest a Chalk Farm 84 >game in the Brooke-Taylor lounge also? I'll go along with all of the above, and I think we might as well have another variation in whatever lounge is remaining -- so, that's a Long Game, a straight game, capture the flag, Chalk Farm '84, and... I quite fancy either another Ruttsborough Game (since the last seemed all too brief), or a Turin Game on the Paris Metro (I'll try a stab at sorting out the fine details for that option anyway, for future reference). dave From Thu Nov 12 22:55:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13250 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Nov 1998 06:55:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 1998 06:55:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA07367 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:54:51 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA07363 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:54:43 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id QAA05527; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:54:38 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma005506; Fri, 13 Nov 98 16:54:37 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:54:36 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428D90@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 12/13 preamble Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:54:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thursday, November 12, 1998 8:50 PM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > Those both sound like excellent ideas - can I also suggest a Chalk Farm 84 > game in the Brooke-Taylor lounge also? Count me in on all of them! Have fun, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Kevan Davis Fri Nov 13 15:50:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20363 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Nov 1998 23:50:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 1998 23:50:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA03294 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:49:04 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03287 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:49:00 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p56.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.56]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA18356 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:48:28 GMT Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:48:28 GMT Message-Id: <199811132348.XAA18356@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Re: MN-L: Re: Game 11 - Teeny Tiny Buzzette Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I'll drag this from the Lyttleton Lounge to the Discussion Lounge, since it's relevant to everyone... >> No, sorry - Seven Sisters to Kings X only passes through one interchange >> (Finsbury Park). Since you've moved to Kings X, you haven't passed through >> it. > > Erm, there's two on my map... Highbury & Islington is an Interchange on the maps that include British Rail lines, but not on the LT-provided one that we're officially using. Bit of a pain, really, since the maps I've got in diaries and things all seem to feature the British Rail lines. Hmm. Maybe I could scan one of them, now that I've got the technology, and we could use that instead? And it'd also give us a single huge JPG file which we could save on our hard disks. Your thoughts, fellow Mornomickers? (Anyone at the Highbury & Islington station on the evening of the 25th, incidentally, could do worse than going in the pub opposite and attending the Patrick Duff gig. Not sure if I'll be able to make it myself, mind.) Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Our words become the litter of the night before; words that seem so empty now, blowing round the room getting twisted and torn." -- Strangelove, "Casualties" From Graeme Jefferis Mon Nov 16 09:40:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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[146.227.102.116]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id RAA25694 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:38:09 GMT From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by liszt.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id RAA19635 for l-nomic@f...; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:38:06 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:38:06 GMT Message-Id: <199811161738.RAA19635@l...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Proposals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: wWf4/gFgcvaTS+2SbBB1Bw== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Proposal 545 - Playing the Spoons [Amendment] : FOR > Proposal 546 - Walk? Don't Walk [Multiple] : FOR > Proposal 547 - Shadow Boxing [Amendment] : FOR > Proposal 548 - Didn't They Used to Make Computers? : AGA Grr. AFAICS, the main reason for [Atari] is to warn against approaching stealth victories. Why? If a player wins, e wins; if eir gambit wasn't noticed, more power to eir metaphysical elbow, say I. Oh. No proposals once more. Time to pull out my fingers. Ta, -Graeme. From Graeme Jefferis Mon Nov 16 10:03:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30450 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Nov 1998 18:03:11 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 1998 18:03:11 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA09776 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:02:18 GMT Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09773 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:02:15 GMT Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17026 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:10:10 GMT Received: from liszt.cms.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@l... [146.227.102.116]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id SAA27587 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:02:10 GMT From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by liszt.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id SAA16176 for l-nomic@f...; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:02:07 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:02:07 GMT Message-Id: <199811161802.SAA16176@l...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Proposals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: u+M+weExVVkg+7czJDnI2g== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Hell. Somewhere between brain and keyboard, some strange mail amalgamation took place. Ah well. Sorry about that, -Graeme. From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 17 05:34:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4379 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Nov 1998 13:34:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 1998 13:34:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA07903 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:33:17 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07898 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:33:11 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p15.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.15]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA25949 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:32:11 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:32:11 GMT Message-Id: <199811171332.NAA25949@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 30: Voting Results for Week 29 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 545 Playing the Spoons 4 1 - 1 Amends 1.7.4 546 Walk? Don't Walk 2 1 2 1 Fails 547 Shadow Boxing 4 1 - 1 Amends 1.7.25 548 Didn't They Used to Make... - 1 4 1 Fails ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 545 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS - FOR 546 (Kevan) FOR AGA FOR - - PAS - AGA 547 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS - FOR 548 (Dunx) AGA PAS AGA - - AGA - AGA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 7 27 6 0 0 21 16 4 Halved: 3 13 3 0 10 2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 +10 +0 AGA Votes: -0 -4 -0 -0 I -2 I -0 Decisiveness: +3 +3 +3 +0 n +3 n +3 Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 -0 a -0 a -0 c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 t +0 t +0 EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 i -0 i -0 Finger/Pulse: +5 +0 +5 +0 v +5 v +0 e e Award Ceremony: +0 +0 +0 +0 +3 +0 [a] --------------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +8 -1 +8 +0 +19 +3 Final Kudos: 11 12 11 0 0 29 16 5 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - none Clever Bear Award - none Down Underground Award - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 17 05:34:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4380 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Nov 1998 13:34:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 1998 13:34:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA07907 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:33:22 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07902 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:33:15 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p15.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.15]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA25954 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:32:15 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:32:15 GMT Message-Id: <199811171332.NAA25954@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 30: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Thirty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 549 - Lounge Lists [Multiple] 1. Come Again? [Amendment] Reword the first paragraph Rule 0.10.1 (The Lounges) to:- Mornington Nomic takes place on a number of mailing lists, known as Lounges. There are five Game Lounges and one Discussion Lounge - the Game Lounges are used to play the game of Mornington Crescent, and the Discussion Lounge is a forum for discussing aspects of the Nomic, as well as the announcement of Voting Results, Proposal distribution, and so forth. 2. Listlessness [Enactment] Upon Enactment of this Rule, the Speaker shall replace, throughout the Ruleset, all instance of the phrase "mailing list" with "Discussion Lounge", "relevant Game Lounge" or whatever other relevant phrase e feels to be appropriate. This Rule shall then repeal itself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 550 - The Black Hole of Tottenham Court Road [Action] 1. Charge Spiral [Action] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Action Rule Duration Cost ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Charge Spiral] 1.19.5 -3 Bu Any Player may perform the neutral Action "[Charge Spiral]" to put a Charge Spiral into effect. A Charge Spiral remains in effect until a Piece rests as Tottenham Court Road at the end of any Turn. When a Charge Spiral is in effect, any Move which does not involve a decrease in the Moving Piece's Charge is Illegal. 2. Spirograph [Amendment] To the list of "Loops and Cascades" in Rule 1.5.0 (Valid Moves), add:- * Charge Spiral (Rule 1.19.5) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 551 - Rebuilding Blocks [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.9.1 (Basic Blocks) to read:- A Player may perform the post-Move Action of "[Blocking ]", where is a Station adjacent to eir Piece's current position. Upon performing this Action, the specified Station is Blocked for one Round. (If a Player owns the Ticket Stub for the specified Station, e need pay no Tokens to perform this Action.) If a Station is Blocked, any Moves which pass through that Station or end at that Station are Invalid, unless the Moving Player owns the Ticket Stub for that Station. { Comments : Part of a failed Multiple I made months ago, resubmitted on its own. Just rewording the oldest Action in the book to bring it in line with current phrasings. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Tue Nov 17 18:08:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15513 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Nov 1998 02:08:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 1998 02:08:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA21985 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 02:07:52 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA21982 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 02:07:37 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id MAA21650; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:07:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma021506; Wed, 18 Nov 98 12:07:12 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:07:12 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428DA8@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Year 2, Week 30: Voting Results for Week 29 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:07:05 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tuesday, November 17, 1998 11:32 PM, Kevan Davis [SMTP:kdavis@i...] wrote: > 545 Playing the Spoons 4 1 - 1 Amends 1.7.4 > 546 Walk? Don't Walk 2 1 2 1 Fails > 547 Shadow Boxing 4 1 - 1 Amends 1.7.25 > 548 Didn't They Used to Make... - 1 4 1 Fails > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 545 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS - FOR > 546 (Kevan) FOR AGA FOR - - PAS - AGA > 547 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS - FOR > 548 (Dunx) AGA PAS AGA - - AGA - AGA > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Finger/Pulse: +5 +0 +5 +0 v +5 v +0 Can someone just explain how, if 545 and 547 passed and 546 and 548 failed, and I voted for the ones that passed and against the ones that failed, I therefore failed to get the Finger on the Pulse award? Likewise, if dave and Grimace voted For a proposal that failed, how they got the FotP award? According to my calculations, that line should read: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Finger/Pulse: +0 +5 +0 +0 v +5 v +5 Do not read this sentence. Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Kevan Davis Wed Nov 18 04:10:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6497 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Nov 1998 12:10:33 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 1998 12:10:33 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20714 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:09:11 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20711 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:09:05 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p07.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.7]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA15745 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:08:08 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:08:08 GMT Message-Id: <199811181208.MAA15745@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: Year 2, Week 30: Voting Results for Week 29 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Can someone just explain how, if 545 and 547 passed and 546 and 548 failed, >and I voted for the ones that passed and against the ones that failed, I >therefore failed to get the Finger on the Pulse award? Likewise, if dave >and Grimace voted For a proposal that failed, how they got the FotP award? A very simple explanation, really - I was being careless. I thought 546 had passed, for some reason. The Voting Results have been amended; I won't bother posting them again, but I'll upload them to the Web page later today. Sorry about that, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "But fortunately, most of the rain there not quite touching the ground." -- Metcast, "The Day Today" From kenningd@w... (kenningd) Wed Nov 18 09:30:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31082 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Nov 1998 17:30:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 1998 17:30:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05446 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:29:11 GMT Received: from absolute.foobar.net (absolute.foobar.net [194.164.91.8]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05433 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:29:02 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by absolute.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23204 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:36:32 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA04417; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:43:51 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:35:37 +0100 Message-Id: <98111815353760@w...> From: kenningd@w... (kenningd) To: L-NOMIC@F... Subject: MN: New Nomic X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@F... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Forgive me using the list for self-publicity purposes, but I'd just like to announce the creation of a brand new nomic game (not yet started) called Paranomic. If you think you might be interested in taking part, the official web page is at members.tripod.com/pelmet/index.html dave From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Wed Nov 18 22:52:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3718 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Nov 1998 06:52:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 1998 06:52:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA14316 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:49:45 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA14313 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:49:40 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.211] (cvl178211.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.211]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA04268 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:53:02 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:51:28 -0500 To: l-nomic@F... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: New Nomic Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@F... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Forgive me using the list for self-publicity purposes, but I'd just like to >announce the creation of a brand new nomic game (not yet started) called >Paranomic. If you think you might be interested in taking part, the official >web page is at members.tripod.com/pelmet/index.html > >dave > > > Sure, count me in... --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --Diablo, "Goats" (www.goats.com) From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Wed Nov 18 22:54:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5261 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Nov 1998 06:54:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 1998 06:54:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA14526 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:52:37 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA14523 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:52:33 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.211] (cvl178211.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.211]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA04392 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:55:56 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:54:22 -0500 To: l-nomic@F... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: New Nomic Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@F... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I've subbed to all the lounges, but I'm only getting mail from L (Game 11). Are things just slow, or am I missing something? Sorry about posting that 'count me in' to the list, btw. --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --Diablo, "Goats" (www.goats.com) From Kevan Davis Thu Nov 19 04:30:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25320 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Nov 1998 12:30:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 1998 12:30:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA31214 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:28:56 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA31211 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:28:51 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p07.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.7]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA15031 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:27:55 GMT Message-Id: <199811191227.MAA15031@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:27:18 +0000 To: l-nomic@F... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Quiet Lounges, New Games In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@F... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I've subbed to all the lounges, but I'm only getting mail from L (Game 11). >Are things just slow, or am I missing something? None of the other Lounges have any Games in them at present, the Ruttsborough Game in the Rushton Memorial Lounge having recently finished. It's probably about time I started some new Games, really. I hereby declare the following:- Game 12 - Vanilla Ruleset - Cryer Lounge Game 13 - Capture the Flag - Garden Lounge Game 14 - Chalk Farm '84 - Brook-Taylor Lounge Game 15 - Ruttsborough '58 - Rushton Memorial Lounge Join the mailing lists and announce your intentions to join the Game, if you're interested. (I'll overlook people's previous nods, since it's been a while since they were made and plans may have been changed.) Mind that gap, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive /kevan - UIN: 5998366 "And yea, though I walk in the road to get past, I'm not in the least afraid." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "He Who Would Valium Take" From Thu Nov 19 06:36:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30367 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Nov 1998 14:36:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 1998 14:36:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05163 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:34:33 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05157 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:34:29 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA06938 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:34:26 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 19 Nov 1998 14:34:26 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA27833; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:34:21 GMT Message-Id: <199811191434.OAA27833@uks447> Date: 19 Nov 98 14:22:12 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Quiet Lounges, New Games X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 19-Nov-98 12:27 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Game 12 - Vanilla Ruleset - Cryer Lounge >Game 13 - Capture the Flag - Garden Lounge >Game 14 - Chalk Farm '84 - Brook-Taylor Lounge >Game 15 - Ruttsborough '58 - Rushton Memorial Lounge I'd like to play in all of those, please. In Game 13, could I start the Aubergine team? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Sun Nov 22 13:30:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25413 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Nov 1998 21:30:01 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 1998 21:30:01 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA30362 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:27:31 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA30358 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:27:09 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.211] (cvl178211.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.211]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA20039 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:30:12 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:28:48 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: MN: Questions Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I was about to post this as Comments as my last move in Game 12, but I figured it'd be more appropriate here: Say I end my turn at an Interchange; for example, Oxford Circus, which services (BL), (VC), and (CN), and I've arrived from Marble Arch (CN). If I want to move to Regent's Park (BL) on my next turn, do I have to pay a black token for a Line Change action, even though I'm starting my turn at an interchange for that line? It would seem to me that the cost should only apply to line changes made mid-move, say a move from Marble Arch to Regent's Park made in only one turn. And a related question: In this situation, would I get the token bonus for making a move on only one line? Unrelated Question: If a station qualifies for more than one type of hat, can you claim multiple hats from that station in the same turn? cheers, --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --"Goats" (www.goats.com) From Mon Nov 23 02:25:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4204 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Nov 1998 10:25:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 1998 10:25:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA32513 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:23:09 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA32510 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:23:04 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA26798 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:23:02 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 23 Nov 1998 10:23:01 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA22909; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:22:59 GMT Message-Id: <199811231022.KAA22909@uks447> Date: 23 Nov 98 10:18:53 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Questions X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 22-Nov-98 21:28 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Say I end my turn at an Interchange; for example, Oxford Circus, which >services (BL), (VC), and (CN), and I've arrived from Marble Arch (CN). If >I want to move to Regent's Park (BL) on my next turn, do I have to pay a >black token for a Line Change action, even though I'm starting my turn at >an interchange for that line? It would seem to me that the cost should >only apply to line changes made mid-move, say a move from Marble Arch to >Regent's Park made in only one turn. You do have to pay the Line Change toll, since your Piece starts the Turn on a different Line to the one you wish to travel on. A Piece's location is defined by both Station and Line. In Real Life terms, a passenger can only be on one platform at a given time. To change line requires some trudging around tunnels to get to the right platform - in MN this is represented by paying a Black Token. >And a related question: In this situation, would I get the token bonus for >making a move on only one line? No. >Unrelated Question: If a station qualifies for more than one type of hat, >can you claim multiple hats from that station in the same turn? No. That restriction doesn't come from Rule 1.4.6, but from the more general Rule that you cannot play more than one Action of a particuler type (unless specifically allowed for otherwise) - Rule 1.2.0. Since [Collecting Hat] says you can only pick up one Hat with each play of the Action, and does not explicitly state that you can play the Action more than once, the net result is that you can only pick up one Hat at once. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (kenningd) Mon Nov 23 05:45:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14291 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Nov 1998 13:45:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 1998 13:45:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10068 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:44:28 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA10065 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:44:24 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA20153; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:52:00 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:24:48 +0100 Message-Id: <98112312244887@w...> From: kenningd@w... (kenningd) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Questions X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >A Piece's location is defined by both Station and Line. In Real Life terms, >a passenger can only be on one platform at a given time. To change line >requires some trudging around tunnels to get to the right platform - in >MN this is represented by paying a Black Token. I go along with this. I would also say that essentially there's no difference between a mid-move line change and a between-move line change. >>And a related question: In this situation, would I get the token bonus for >>making a move on only one line? > >No. This is an interesting one. Since 'Line Change' became an action, I think it's not so clear that this is the case, though I would argue that game custom is decisive in resolving any ambiguity. dave From Mon Nov 23 19:14:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16363 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 03:14:36 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 03:14:36 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA21361 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:13:31 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA21358 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:13:23 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id NAA11894; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:13:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma011844; Tue, 24 Nov 98 13:13:05 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:13:04 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428DB1@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Questions and tips Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:13:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Monday, November 23, 1998 9:25 PM, kenningd@w... [SMTP:kenningd@w...] wrote: > I go along with this. I would also say that essentially there's no > difference between a mid-move line change and a between-move > line change. One trick, which I cannot claim is a new idea, is to get onto the right line at the end of a multi-line move, to assist in not paying too many blacks. For instance, St. John's Wood (JL) -> Paddington (CL) is possible, but if your next move is to West Brompton (DS), you might as well play Paddington (DS). Lampreys, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Mon Nov 23 23:09:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7295 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 07:09:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 07:09:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA31411 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:06:50 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA31408 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:06:45 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.211] (cvl178211.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.211]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA10905 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 02:10:04 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 02:08:33 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: Questions Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Say I end my turn at an Interchange; for example, Oxford Circus, which >>services (BL), (VC), and (CN), and I've arrived from Marble Arch (CN). If >>I want to move to Regent's Park (BL) on my next turn, do I have to pay a >>black token for a Line Change action, even though I'm starting my turn at >>an interchange for that line? It would seem to me that the cost should >>only apply to line changes made mid-move, say a move from Marble Arch to >>Regent's Park made in only one turn. > >You do have to pay the Line Change toll, since your Piece starts the Turn >on a different Line to the one you wish to travel on. Okay, I'll buy that. >A Piece's location is defined by both Station and Line. In Real Life terms, >a passenger can only be on one platform at a given time. To change line >requires some trudging around tunnels to get to the right platform - in >MN this is represented by paying a Black Token. > >>And a related question: In this situation, would I get the token bonus for >>making a move on only one line? > >No. But: Line Change is a _Pre-Move_ action (1.7.2), and the bonus is for making a _Move_ that doesn't involve changing lines (ref chart 1.4.0). Since I'm changing lines _before_ I'm moving, then I'm not changing lines _during_ the Move. I would reason that I do have to pay to get to the new line _before_ I move, but my Move doesn't actually start until _after_ that. Thus, I get the token bonus for not changing lines during my Move. --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --"Goats" (www.goats.com) From Tue Nov 24 00:14:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28038 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 08:14:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 08:14:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA01554 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:13:50 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01551 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:13:46 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA04209 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:13:45 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 08:13:44 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA17048; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:13:43 GMT Message-Id: <199811240813.IAA17048@uks447> Date: 24 Nov 98 08:12:35 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Questions X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 24-Nov-98 07:08 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >But: Line Change is a _Pre-Move_ action (1.7.2), and the bonus is for >making a _Move_ that doesn't involve changing lines (ref chart 1.4.0). >Since I'm changing lines _before_ I'm moving, then I'm not changing lines >_during_ the Move. I can see what you're driving at, but that's not it. From Rule 1.5.11: "A Piece Move that involves a change of Line is Invalid unless the Moving Player has performed a "[Line Change]" Action during eir Turn." The change of line still occurs during your Move. The (usually implicit) [Line Change] Action is played in order to make such a change of line legal. >I would reason that I do have to pay to get to the new line _before_ I >move, but my Move doesn't actually start until _after_ that. Thus, I get >the token bonus for not changing lines during my Move. No: you have to pay to allow your Move to include a Line Change. Consider it as buying a ticket to allow a change of line - the change of line still happens during the Move, but you buy your ticket before you start. There are other instances where an Action affects the Move: [Opening MC] must be played to make movement or Play to MC legal; [Wild] makes all Wild Stations valid for that Turn; and so on. I think the name of the Action should perhaps be changed - as you say, the name [Line Change] implies that the Action effects the change of line when it is merely enabling it. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Nov 24 00:24:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6331 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 08:24:37 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 08:24:37 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA01995 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:23:48 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01992 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:23:44 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA05275 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:23:43 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 08:23:43 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA21734; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:23:41 GMT Message-Id: <199811240823.IAA21734@uks447> Date: 24 Nov 98 08:20:54 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game States MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) As far as I can see the current state of Games is as follows: Game 11 - Jon to Move (last Move 19/11/98) Game 12 - dave to Move (I thought it was me, but dave joined and I just hadn't noticed. E plays before me) Game 13 - one more Player needed to start Game 14 - ditto Game 15 - dave to Move Consider this to be in lieu of my timing out Jon and barging in front of dave... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Nov 24 01:55:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19354 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 09:55:24 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 09:55:24 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA06231 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:54:27 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06228 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:54:23 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA16974 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:54:21 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 09:54:21 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04776; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:54:18 GMT Message-Id: <199811240954.JAA04776@uks447> Date: 24 Nov 98 09:46:06 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: LSD MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) This is a Proposal idea which I'd like people's opinions on. I was going to formally put it forward today, but the more I thought about it, the more work it involved. The premise is that the Metal Tokens (Gold, Silver and Bronze) are effectively money - so why not call them that? The obvious candidate (at least to me) for the monetary units would be pounds, shillings and old pence (the 'Lsd' of the title) which were UK currency up until decimalisation in 1971. As a historical note, the 'L' and 'd' both come from Latin currency terms: 'librum' and 'denari' I believe, but I'd be more than happy to be corrected. I don't know where the term 'shilling' originates. Superficially, I thought this could just be a straight subsitution for Gold, Silver and Bronze Tokens respectively, but there are a few problems - 1. the exchange rates are right out of whack - the current exchange rate from Gold:Silver:Bronze is 1:2:4, whereas the historical (ie pre-decimal) pound:shilling:pence rate was 1:20:12. 2. a corollary of changes to the exchange rate is that tolls, costs and rewards would need, if not actually reworking, then at least some examination (this is the big chunk of work). In fact, I think they would be broadly in line as they are - tuppence for a chocolate bar seems about right somehow, although a whole shilling for a five line interchange might be a bit high. 3. token table - either the headings would have to change (eg 'L', 's' and 'd' instead of 'Go', 'Si' and 'Br'), or every Player's Luggage Rack would gain a purse which holds money instead. The purse idea would simplify the token table, though some refinements to shunting theft might be required. 4. free exchange - one of the nice things about real money is that lots of small bits will make up one large bit ie 240 pennies would be directly equivalent to one pound, whereas there are (sensible) limits on direct conversion between Bronzes and Golds except at Bank. Free conversion between pounds, shillings and pence would simplify book keeping, and if the 'real' rates of exchange were used, the current limits on Bronze use in lieu of Gold would seem unnecessary simply because it would be quite difficult to gather a pound by collecting pennies (certainly far harder than it would be now). Another possibility (but one which would require more book keeping) would be to introduce similar rules to those in Britain on how many small coins can be tendered in payment. IIRC, you can't legally pay more than about 50p in pennies for instance. Not keen on this one, I must say. A bonus of these changes would be that Golds (or pounds, as they would become) would be considerably more valuable than they are now. We've done rather well at avoiding token inflation, but adding a large dollop of deflationary pressure by boosting the value of Golds would, I think, be a good idea anyway. Looking back on my historical opposition to "Tokens As Money", this idea could be seen as a bit of a volte face (and an ironic one at that) but really I'm trying to draw a definite distinction between Plastic and Metal. No, that's not a consistent position... So: opinions? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 24 03:16:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27258 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 11:16:00 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 11:16:00 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10281 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:14:12 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10278 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:14:08 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p23.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.23]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA06628 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:15:52 GMT Message-Id: X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:10:54 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: LSD In-Reply-To: <199811240954.JAA04776@uks447> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >The premise is that the Metal Tokens (Gold, Silver and Bronze) are >effectively money - so why not call them that? This does sound quite nice, to me, adding much to the essential Britishness of the Game. I do have a number of doubts, though... >1. the exchange rates are right out of whack - the current exchange rate > from Gold:Silver:Bronze is 1:2:4, whereas the historical (ie pre-decimal) > pound:shilling:pence rate was 1:20:12. This is my biggest quibble, really. Although more aesthetically pleasing, I think it might make the game a bit more Token intensive - I assume you'd triple most Bronze costs and multiply ten-fold all Silvers (since getting twenty Silvers for one Gold seems ridiculously over-powerful). Aside from the amusement of making the "[Collection Plate]" Action cost thirty pieces of Silver, I think this might be a bit too awkward. I'm not sure why, really. Sticking a zero at the end of everyone's Silver Token count isn't any effort at all. It just strikes me as a little unbalanced, I suppose. Essentially a theme of the Proposal - that Metallic Tokens are no longer intuitively Tokens, even if we say "Pounds, Shillings and Pence count as Tokens". It seems to grate against too much of the existing Game, for me. >2. a corollary of changes to the exchange rate is that tolls, costs and > rewards would need, if not actually reworking, then at least some > examination (this is the big chunk of work). In fact, I think they would > be broadly in line as they are - tuppence for a chocolate bar seems about > right somehow, although a whole shilling for a five line interchange > might be a bit high. This is probably a case of realism being a Bad Thing, I think. Overpriced Baguettes for 5p seems absurd, but charging a realistic three Pounds would ruin gameplay. And Violins cost rather more than 4p in the real world, I believe. >A bonus of these changes would be that Golds (or pounds, as they would >become) would be considerably more valuable than they are now. We've done >rather well at avoiding token inflation, but adding a large dollop of >deflationary pressure by boosting the value of Golds would, I think, be >a good idea anyway. Maybe. It'd make Shunt-stealing a damn sight more tilting of game balance, though, if you could swipe a Pound, and grabbing a quick Gold at the start of the Game to get yourself 240 Pennies to let you buy everything in the Emporium seems a bit too powerful... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "The golden moments in the stream of life rush past us and we see nothing but sand; the angels come to visit us, and we only know them when they are gone." -- George Eliot From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 24 04:48:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10659 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 12:48:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 12:48:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15467 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:47:18 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15455 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:47:10 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p12.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.12]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA14620 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:49:01 GMT Message-Id: <199811241249.MAA14620@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:46:25 +0000 To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 31: Proposals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Thirty-One ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No Proposals were submitted this Week. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Wed Nov 11 00:49:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13662 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Nov 1998 08:25:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 1998 08:25:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25850 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:24:04 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25843 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:24:00 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.82] (cvl178082.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.82]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA14601 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 03:27:13 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 03:25:42 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >On Wednesday, November 11, 1998 12:43 AM, kenningd@w... >[SMTP:kenningd@w...] wrote: >> A similar philosophy has got me considering submitting a proposal to do >> away with game time. There was only that one incident when a quick >> win was scuppered by MC being closed, and apart from that the chance >> of trying to move to astation and actually finding it closed is fairly >small >> anyway. > >And we've played, what, four or five games with game time being a factor? I >don't think this is a good enough trial. Besides, it's very useful for >things like station damage and holy station tolls. > >That's my thoughts, anyway Personally, I like the game time for it's wossname. (Thematic appropriateness.) Not having actually played in a game yet, I don't have an opinion on its usefulness, but it certainly adds more color to the game than "Turn Points" would, imo. (Gosh, my first Mornington Nomic post. I feel like I should bronze it.) --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --Diablo, "Goats" (www.goats.com) From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Wed Nov 11 01:00:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28508 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Nov 1998 08:41:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 1998 08:41:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26640 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:40:26 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26635 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:40:21 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.82] (cvl178082.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.82]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA15380 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 03:43:39 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 03:42:07 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: MN: Lounges? Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Newbie question: I'm not sure I understand the deal with the various Lounges; the notes on the web page weren't very clear. (To my mind, anyway.) Do I need to be signed up to some additional lists, or something? --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --Diablo, "Goats" (www.goats.com) From Wed Nov 11 01:25:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3034 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Nov 1998 09:25:03 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 1998 09:25:03 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28880 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:24:14 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28877 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:24:10 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA19535 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:24:09 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 11 Nov 1998 09:24:08 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA14774; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:24:06 GMT Message-Id: <199811110924.JAA14774@uks447> Date: 11 Nov 98 09:20:11 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Lounges? X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 11-Nov-98 08:42 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Newbie question: Welcome, by the way. >I'm not sure I understand the deal with the various Lounges; the notes on >the web page weren't very clear. (To my mind, anyway.) Do I need to be >signed up to some additional lists, or something? I believe that Kevan is in the process of updating the MN pages appropriately, but since e's been excluded by Xoom for the moment I hope e won't mind if I offer an explanation. The basic idea is that we now have separate lists for playing the games, the reasoning being that it would be nice to have more than a couple of games going at once without clogging up the main discussion list. Tournament games (as and when they occur) will be via private email. There are five lounges (Brooke-Taylor, Cryer, Garden, Lyttleton and Rushton Memorial) each having its own mailing list (hosted by eGroups rather than foobar). Unless you want to see all the games in progress, you only need to sign up to the lounge lists where games you are playing are being held. To subscribe to a lounge, send an empty message to: l-nomic--subscribe@egroups.com ... where is one of b, c, g, l, or r depending on which lounge you wish to subscribe to. You'll then need to reply to the confirmation message eGroups sends, and you'll be there. Is that reasonably clear? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Nov 11 04:01:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12147 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Nov 1998 12:01:31 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 1998 12:01:31 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04670 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:59:45 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04666 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:59:41 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p12.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.12]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA22755 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:59:34 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:59:34 GMT Message-Id: <199811111159.LAA22755@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Game 12/13 preamble Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Now that Game 10 has been won by Dunx with an impressive bit of Charging (witness the archive in the Rushton Memorial Lounge), does anyone have any preferences for Game 12? And Game 13, for that matter - now that we've got a few Lounges, it won't hurt to have several games going on at once, with Players joining whichever intrigue them. I propose Game 12 as being a normal-Ruleset game in the Cryer Lounge, and Game 13 being a Capture the Flag variant in the Garden Lounge (since I'm interested to see how that Special Ruleset actually plays). Any thoughts? Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I play postal chess with a man who doesn't know me." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "4AD3DCD" From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Wed Nov 11 23:53:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7490 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Nov 1998 07:53:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 1998 07:53:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA18230 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:53:00 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA18223 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:52:52 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.93] (cvl178093.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.93]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA24428 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:56:10 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:54:38 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: Lounges? Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Is that reasonably clear? Aha! Thanks muchly :) --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --Diablo, "Goats" (www.goats.com) From Thu Nov 12 02:54:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28463 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Nov 1998 10:54:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 1998 10:54:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29167 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:52:43 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29164 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:52:37 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23833 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:52:35 GMT Received: from uksn43.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 12 Nov 1998 10:52:35 UT Received: by uksn43 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00086; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:52:33 GMT Message-Id: <199811121052.KAA00086@uksn43> Date: 12 Nov 98 10:50:00 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 12/13 preamble X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UNX8.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 11-Nov-98 11:59 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id KAA29165 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I propose Game 12 as being a normal-Ruleset game in the Cryer Lounge, and >Game 13 being a Capture the Flag variant in the Garden Lounge (since I'm >interested to see how that Special Ruleset actually plays). Any thoughts? Those both sound like excellent ideas - can I also suggest a Chalk Farm 84 game in the Brooke-Taylor lounge also? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (kenningd) Thu Nov 12 03:19:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7708 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Nov 1998 11:19:33 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 1998 11:19:33 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA30675 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:18:37 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA30663 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:18:32 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA12037; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:25:36 GMT Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:04:14 +0100 Message-Id: <98111211041405@w...> From: kenningd@w... (kenningd) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game 12/13 preamble X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>I propose Game 12 as being a normal-Ruleset game in the Cryer Lounge, and >>Game 13 being a Capture the Flag variant in the Garden Lounge (since I'm >>interested to see how that Special Ruleset actually plays). Any thoughts? > >Those both sound like excellent ideas - can I also suggest a Chalk Farm 84 >game in the Brooke-Taylor lounge also? I'll go along with all of the above, and I think we might as well have another variation in whatever lounge is remaining -- so, that's a Long Game, a straight game, capture the flag, Chalk Farm '84, and... I quite fancy either another Ruttsborough Game (since the last seemed all too brief), or a Turin Game on the Paris Metro (I'll try a stab at sorting out the fine details for that option anyway, for future reference). dave From Thu Nov 12 22:55:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13250 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Nov 1998 06:55:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 1998 06:55:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA07367 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:54:51 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA07363 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:54:43 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id QAA05527; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:54:38 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma005506; Fri, 13 Nov 98 16:54:37 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:54:36 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428D90@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Game 12/13 preamble Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:54:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thursday, November 12, 1998 8:50 PM, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) [SMTP:DELLIS@U...] wrote: > Those both sound like excellent ideas - can I also suggest a Chalk Farm 84 > game in the Brooke-Taylor lounge also? Count me in on all of them! Have fun, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Kevan Davis Fri Nov 13 15:50:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20363 invoked by uid 7770); 13 Nov 1998 23:50:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 1998 23:50:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA03294 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:49:04 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03287 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:49:00 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p56.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.56]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA18356 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:48:28 GMT Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:48:28 GMT Message-Id: <199811132348.XAA18356@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Re: MN-L: Re: Game 11 - Teeny Tiny Buzzette Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I'll drag this from the Lyttleton Lounge to the Discussion Lounge, since it's relevant to everyone... >> No, sorry - Seven Sisters to Kings X only passes through one interchange >> (Finsbury Park). Since you've moved to Kings X, you haven't passed through >> it. > > Erm, there's two on my map... Highbury & Islington is an Interchange on the maps that include British Rail lines, but not on the LT-provided one that we're officially using. Bit of a pain, really, since the maps I've got in diaries and things all seem to feature the British Rail lines. Hmm. Maybe I could scan one of them, now that I've got the technology, and we could use that instead? And it'd also give us a single huge JPG file which we could save on our hard disks. Your thoughts, fellow Mornomickers? (Anyone at the Highbury & Islington station on the evening of the 25th, incidentally, could do worse than going in the pub opposite and attending the Patrick Duff gig. Not sure if I'll be able to make it myself, mind.) Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Our words become the litter of the night before; words that seem so empty now, blowing round the room getting twisted and torn." -- Strangelove, "Casualties" From Graeme Jefferis Mon Nov 16 09:40:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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[146.227.102.116]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id RAA25694 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:38:09 GMT From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by liszt.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id RAA19635 for l-nomic@f...; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:38:06 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:38:06 GMT Message-Id: <199811161738.RAA19635@l...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Proposals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: wWf4/gFgcvaTS+2SbBB1Bw== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Proposal 545 - Playing the Spoons [Amendment] : FOR > Proposal 546 - Walk? Don't Walk [Multiple] : FOR > Proposal 547 - Shadow Boxing [Amendment] : FOR > Proposal 548 - Didn't They Used to Make Computers? : AGA Grr. AFAICS, the main reason for [Atari] is to warn against approaching stealth victories. Why? If a player wins, e wins; if eir gambit wasn't noticed, more power to eir metaphysical elbow, say I. Oh. No proposals once more. Time to pull out my fingers. Ta, -Graeme. From Graeme Jefferis Mon Nov 16 10:03:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30450 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Nov 1998 18:03:11 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 1998 18:03:11 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA09776 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:02:18 GMT Received: from macondo.dmu.ac.uk (macondo.dmu.ac.uk [146.227.1.4]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09773 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:02:15 GMT Received: from vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (root@v... [146.227.102.3]) by macondo.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17026 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:10:10 GMT Received: from liszt.cms.dmu.ac.uk (se98gj@l... [146.227.102.116]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id SAA27587 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:02:10 GMT From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by liszt.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id SAA16176 for l-nomic@f...; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:02:07 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:02:07 GMT Message-Id: <199811161802.SAA16176@l...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 29: Proposals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: u+M+weExVVkg+7czJDnI2g== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Hell. Somewhere between brain and keyboard, some strange mail amalgamation took place. Ah well. Sorry about that, -Graeme. From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 17 05:34:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4379 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Nov 1998 13:34:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 1998 13:34:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA07903 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:33:17 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07898 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:33:11 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p15.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.15]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA25949 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:32:11 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:32:11 GMT Message-Id: <199811171332.NAA25949@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 30: Voting Results for Week 29 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 545 Playing the Spoons 4 1 - 1 Amends 1.7.4 546 Walk? Don't Walk 2 1 2 1 Fails 547 Shadow Boxing 4 1 - 1 Amends 1.7.25 548 Didn't They Used to Make... - 1 4 1 Fails ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 545 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS - FOR 546 (Kevan) FOR AGA FOR - - PAS - AGA 547 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS - FOR 548 (Dunx) AGA PAS AGA - - AGA - AGA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 7 27 6 0 0 21 16 4 Halved: 3 13 3 0 10 2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 +10 +0 AGA Votes: -0 -4 -0 -0 I -2 I -0 Decisiveness: +3 +3 +3 +0 n +3 n +3 Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 -0 a -0 a -0 c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 t +0 t +0 EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 i -0 i -0 Finger/Pulse: +5 +0 +5 +0 v +5 v +0 e e Award Ceremony: +0 +0 +0 +0 +3 +0 [a] --------------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +8 -1 +8 +0 +19 +3 Final Kudos: 11 12 11 0 0 29 16 5 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - none Clever Bear Award - none Down Underground Award - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 17 05:34:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4380 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Nov 1998 13:34:30 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 1998 13:34:30 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA07907 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:33:22 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07902 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:33:15 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p15.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.15]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA25954 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:32:15 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:32:15 GMT Message-Id: <199811171332.NAA25954@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 30: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Thirty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 549 - Lounge Lists [Multiple] 1. Come Again? [Amendment] Reword the first paragraph Rule 0.10.1 (The Lounges) to:- Mornington Nomic takes place on a number of mailing lists, known as Lounges. There are five Game Lounges and one Discussion Lounge - the Game Lounges are used to play the game of Mornington Crescent, and the Discussion Lounge is a forum for discussing aspects of the Nomic, as well as the announcement of Voting Results, Proposal distribution, and so forth. 2. Listlessness [Enactment] Upon Enactment of this Rule, the Speaker shall replace, throughout the Ruleset, all instance of the phrase "mailing list" with "Discussion Lounge", "relevant Game Lounge" or whatever other relevant phrase e feels to be appropriate. This Rule shall then repeal itself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 550 - The Black Hole of Tottenham Court Road [Action] 1. Charge Spiral [Action] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Action Rule Duration Cost ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Charge Spiral] 1.19.5 -3 Bu Any Player may perform the neutral Action "[Charge Spiral]" to put a Charge Spiral into effect. A Charge Spiral remains in effect until a Piece rests as Tottenham Court Road at the end of any Turn. When a Charge Spiral is in effect, any Move which does not involve a decrease in the Moving Piece's Charge is Illegal. 2. Spirograph [Amendment] To the list of "Loops and Cascades" in Rule 1.5.0 (Valid Moves), add:- * Charge Spiral (Rule 1.19.5) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Proposal 551 - Rebuilding Blocks [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.9.1 (Basic Blocks) to read:- A Player may perform the post-Move Action of "[Blocking ]", where is a Station adjacent to eir Piece's current position. Upon performing this Action, the specified Station is Blocked for one Round. (If a Player owns the Ticket Stub for the specified Station, e need pay no Tokens to perform this Action.) If a Station is Blocked, any Moves which pass through that Station or end at that Station are Invalid, unless the Moving Player owns the Ticket Stub for that Station. { Comments : Part of a failed Multiple I made months ago, resubmitted on its own. Just rewording the oldest Action in the book to bring it in line with current phrasings. } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Tue Nov 17 18:08:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15513 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Nov 1998 02:08:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 1998 02:08:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA21985 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 02:07:52 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA21982 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 02:07:37 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id MAA21650; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:07:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma021506; Wed, 18 Nov 98 12:07:12 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:07:12 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428DA8@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Year 2, Week 30: Voting Results for Week 29 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:07:05 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tuesday, November 17, 1998 11:32 PM, Kevan Davis [SMTP:kdavis@i...] wrote: > 545 Playing the Spoons 4 1 - 1 Amends 1.7.4 > 546 Walk? Don't Walk 2 1 2 1 Fails > 547 Shadow Boxing 4 1 - 1 Amends 1.7.25 > 548 Didn't They Used to Make... - 1 4 1 Fails > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 545 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS - FOR > 546 (Kevan) FOR AGA FOR - - PAS - AGA > 547 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS - FOR > 548 (Dunx) AGA PAS AGA - - AGA - AGA > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Finger/Pulse: +5 +0 +5 +0 v +5 v +0 Can someone just explain how, if 545 and 547 passed and 546 and 548 failed, and I voted for the ones that passed and against the ones that failed, I therefore failed to get the Finger on the Pulse award? Likewise, if dave and Grimace voted For a proposal that failed, how they got the FotP award? According to my calculations, that line should read: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Finger/Pulse: +0 +5 +0 +0 v +5 v +5 Do not read this sentence. Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Kevan Davis Wed Nov 18 04:10:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6497 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Nov 1998 12:10:33 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 1998 12:10:33 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20714 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:09:11 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20711 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:09:05 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p07.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.7]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA15745 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:08:08 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:08:08 GMT Message-Id: <199811181208.MAA15745@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: Year 2, Week 30: Voting Results for Week 29 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Can someone just explain how, if 545 and 547 passed and 546 and 548 failed, >and I voted for the ones that passed and against the ones that failed, I >therefore failed to get the Finger on the Pulse award? Likewise, if dave >and Grimace voted For a proposal that failed, how they got the FotP award? A very simple explanation, really - I was being careless. I thought 546 had passed, for some reason. The Voting Results have been amended; I won't bother posting them again, but I'll upload them to the Web page later today. Sorry about that, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "But fortunately, most of the rain there not quite touching the ground." -- Metcast, "The Day Today" From kenningd@w... (kenningd) Wed Nov 18 09:30:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31082 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Nov 1998 17:30:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 1998 17:30:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05446 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:29:11 GMT Received: from absolute.foobar.net (absolute.foobar.net [194.164.91.8]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05433 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:29:02 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by absolute.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23204 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:36:32 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA04417; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:43:51 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:35:37 +0100 Message-Id: <98111815353760@w...> From: kenningd@w... (kenningd) To: L-NOMIC@F... Subject: MN: New Nomic X-Vms-To: L-NOMIC@F... X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@F... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Forgive me using the list for self-publicity purposes, but I'd just like to announce the creation of a brand new nomic game (not yet started) called Paranomic. If you think you might be interested in taking part, the official web page is at members.tripod.com/pelmet/index.html dave From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Wed Nov 18 22:52:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3718 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Nov 1998 06:52:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 1998 06:52:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA14316 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:49:45 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA14313 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:49:40 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.211] (cvl178211.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.211]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA04268 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:53:02 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:51:28 -0500 To: l-nomic@F... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: New Nomic Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@F... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Forgive me using the list for self-publicity purposes, but I'd just like to >announce the creation of a brand new nomic game (not yet started) called >Paranomic. If you think you might be interested in taking part, the official >web page is at members.tripod.com/pelmet/index.html > >dave > > > Sure, count me in... --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --Diablo, "Goats" (www.goats.com) From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Wed Nov 18 22:54:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5261 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Nov 1998 06:54:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 1998 06:54:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA14526 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:52:37 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA14523 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:52:33 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.211] (cvl178211.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.211]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA04392 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:55:56 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:54:22 -0500 To: l-nomic@F... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: New Nomic Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@F... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I've subbed to all the lounges, but I'm only getting mail from L (Game 11). Are things just slow, or am I missing something? Sorry about posting that 'count me in' to the list, btw. --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --Diablo, "Goats" (www.goats.com) From Kevan Davis Thu Nov 19 04:30:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25320 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Nov 1998 12:30:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 1998 12:30:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA31214 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:28:56 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA31211 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:28:51 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p07.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.7]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA15031 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:27:55 GMT Message-Id: <199811191227.MAA15031@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:27:18 +0000 To: l-nomic@F... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Quiet Lounges, New Games In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@F... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I've subbed to all the lounges, but I'm only getting mail from L (Game 11). >Are things just slow, or am I missing something? None of the other Lounges have any Games in them at present, the Ruttsborough Game in the Rushton Memorial Lounge having recently finished. It's probably about time I started some new Games, really. I hereby declare the following:- Game 12 - Vanilla Ruleset - Cryer Lounge Game 13 - Capture the Flag - Garden Lounge Game 14 - Chalk Farm '84 - Brook-Taylor Lounge Game 15 - Ruttsborough '58 - Rushton Memorial Lounge Join the mailing lists and announce your intentions to join the Game, if you're interested. (I'll overlook people's previous nods, since it's been a while since they were made and plans may have been changed.) Mind that gap, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive /kevan - UIN: 5998366 "And yea, though I walk in the road to get past, I'm not in the least afraid." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "He Who Would Valium Take" From Thu Nov 19 06:36:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30367 invoked by uid 7770); 19 Nov 1998 14:36:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 1998 14:36:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05163 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:34:33 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05157 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:34:29 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA06938 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:34:26 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 19 Nov 1998 14:34:26 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA27833; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:34:21 GMT Message-Id: <199811191434.OAA27833@uks447> Date: 19 Nov 98 14:22:12 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Quiet Lounges, New Games X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 19-Nov-98 12:27 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Game 12 - Vanilla Ruleset - Cryer Lounge >Game 13 - Capture the Flag - Garden Lounge >Game 14 - Chalk Farm '84 - Brook-Taylor Lounge >Game 15 - Ruttsborough '58 - Rushton Memorial Lounge I'd like to play in all of those, please. In Game 13, could I start the Aubergine team? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Sun Nov 22 13:30:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25413 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Nov 1998 21:30:01 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 1998 21:30:01 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA30362 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:27:31 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA30358 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:27:09 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.211] (cvl178211.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.211]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA20039 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:30:12 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:28:48 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: MN: Questions Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I was about to post this as Comments as my last move in Game 12, but I figured it'd be more appropriate here: Say I end my turn at an Interchange; for example, Oxford Circus, which services (BL), (VC), and (CN), and I've arrived from Marble Arch (CN). If I want to move to Regent's Park (BL) on my next turn, do I have to pay a black token for a Line Change action, even though I'm starting my turn at an interchange for that line? It would seem to me that the cost should only apply to line changes made mid-move, say a move from Marble Arch to Regent's Park made in only one turn. And a related question: In this situation, would I get the token bonus for making a move on only one line? Unrelated Question: If a station qualifies for more than one type of hat, can you claim multiple hats from that station in the same turn? cheers, --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --"Goats" (www.goats.com) From Mon Nov 23 02:25:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4204 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Nov 1998 10:25:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 1998 10:25:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA32513 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:23:09 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA32510 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:23:04 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA26798 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:23:02 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 23 Nov 1998 10:23:01 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA22909; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:22:59 GMT Message-Id: <199811231022.KAA22909@uks447> Date: 23 Nov 98 10:18:53 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Questions X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 22-Nov-98 21:28 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Say I end my turn at an Interchange; for example, Oxford Circus, which >services (BL), (VC), and (CN), and I've arrived from Marble Arch (CN). If >I want to move to Regent's Park (BL) on my next turn, do I have to pay a >black token for a Line Change action, even though I'm starting my turn at >an interchange for that line? It would seem to me that the cost should >only apply to line changes made mid-move, say a move from Marble Arch to >Regent's Park made in only one turn. You do have to pay the Line Change toll, since your Piece starts the Turn on a different Line to the one you wish to travel on. A Piece's location is defined by both Station and Line. In Real Life terms, a passenger can only be on one platform at a given time. To change line requires some trudging around tunnels to get to the right platform - in MN this is represented by paying a Black Token. >And a related question: In this situation, would I get the token bonus for >making a move on only one line? No. >Unrelated Question: If a station qualifies for more than one type of hat, >can you claim multiple hats from that station in the same turn? No. That restriction doesn't come from Rule 1.4.6, but from the more general Rule that you cannot play more than one Action of a particuler type (unless specifically allowed for otherwise) - Rule 1.2.0. Since [Collecting Hat] says you can only pick up one Hat with each play of the Action, and does not explicitly state that you can play the Action more than once, the net result is that you can only pick up one Hat at once. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From kenningd@w... (kenningd) Mon Nov 23 05:45:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14291 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Nov 1998 13:45:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 1998 13:45:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10068 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:44:28 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA10065 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:44:24 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA20153; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:52:00 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:24:48 +0100 Message-Id: <98112312244887@w...> From: kenningd@w... (kenningd) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Questions X-Vms-To: SMTP%"l-nomic@f..." X-Vms-Cc: KENNINGD Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >A Piece's location is defined by both Station and Line. In Real Life terms, >a passenger can only be on one platform at a given time. To change line >requires some trudging around tunnels to get to the right platform - in >MN this is represented by paying a Black Token. I go along with this. I would also say that essentially there's no difference between a mid-move line change and a between-move line change. >>And a related question: In this situation, would I get the token bonus for >>making a move on only one line? > >No. This is an interesting one. Since 'Line Change' became an action, I think it's not so clear that this is the case, though I would argue that game custom is decisive in resolving any ambiguity. dave From Mon Nov 23 19:14:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16363 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 03:14:36 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 03:14:36 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA21361 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:13:31 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA21358 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 03:13:23 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id NAA11894; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:13:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma011844; Tue, 24 Nov 98 13:13:05 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:13:04 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428DB1@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Questions and tips Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:13:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Monday, November 23, 1998 9:25 PM, kenningd@w... [SMTP:kenningd@w...] wrote: > I go along with this. I would also say that essentially there's no > difference between a mid-move line change and a between-move > line change. One trick, which I cannot claim is a new idea, is to get onto the right line at the end of a multi-line move, to assist in not paying too many blacks. For instance, St. John's Wood (JL) -> Paddington (CL) is possible, but if your next move is to West Brompton (DS), you might as well play Paddington (DS). Lampreys, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Mon Nov 23 23:09:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7295 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 07:09:09 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 07:09:09 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA31411 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:06:50 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA31408 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:06:45 GMT Received: from [206.156.178.211] (cvl178211.columbus.rr.com [206.156.178.211]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA10905 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 02:10:04 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 02:08:33 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: Questions Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Say I end my turn at an Interchange; for example, Oxford Circus, which >>services (BL), (VC), and (CN), and I've arrived from Marble Arch (CN). If >>I want to move to Regent's Park (BL) on my next turn, do I have to pay a >>black token for a Line Change action, even though I'm starting my turn at >>an interchange for that line? It would seem to me that the cost should >>only apply to line changes made mid-move, say a move from Marble Arch to >>Regent's Park made in only one turn. > >You do have to pay the Line Change toll, since your Piece starts the Turn >on a different Line to the one you wish to travel on. Okay, I'll buy that. >A Piece's location is defined by both Station and Line. In Real Life terms, >a passenger can only be on one platform at a given time. To change line >requires some trudging around tunnels to get to the right platform - in >MN this is represented by paying a Black Token. > >>And a related question: In this situation, would I get the token bonus for >>making a move on only one line? > >No. But: Line Change is a _Pre-Move_ action (1.7.2), and the bonus is for making a _Move_ that doesn't involve changing lines (ref chart 1.4.0). Since I'm changing lines _before_ I'm moving, then I'm not changing lines _during_ the Move. I would reason that I do have to pay to get to the new line _before_ I move, but my Move doesn't actually start until _after_ that. Thus, I get the token bonus for not changing lines during my Move. --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --"Goats" (www.goats.com) From Tue Nov 24 00:14:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28038 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 08:14:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 08:14:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA01554 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:13:50 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01551 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:13:46 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA04209 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:13:45 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 08:13:44 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA17048; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:13:43 GMT Message-Id: <199811240813.IAA17048@uks447> Date: 24 Nov 98 08:12:35 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Questions X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 24-Nov-98 07:08 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >But: Line Change is a _Pre-Move_ action (1.7.2), and the bonus is for >making a _Move_ that doesn't involve changing lines (ref chart 1.4.0). >Since I'm changing lines _before_ I'm moving, then I'm not changing lines >_during_ the Move. I can see what you're driving at, but that's not it. From Rule 1.5.11: "A Piece Move that involves a change of Line is Invalid unless the Moving Player has performed a "[Line Change]" Action during eir Turn." The change of line still occurs during your Move. The (usually implicit) [Line Change] Action is played in order to make such a change of line legal. >I would reason that I do have to pay to get to the new line _before_ I >move, but my Move doesn't actually start until _after_ that. Thus, I get >the token bonus for not changing lines during my Move. No: you have to pay to allow your Move to include a Line Change. Consider it as buying a ticket to allow a change of line - the change of line still happens during the Move, but you buy your ticket before you start. There are other instances where an Action affects the Move: [Opening MC] must be played to make movement or Play to MC legal; [Wild] makes all Wild Stations valid for that Turn; and so on. I think the name of the Action should perhaps be changed - as you say, the name [Line Change] implies that the Action effects the change of line when it is merely enabling it. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Nov 24 00:24:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6331 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 08:24:37 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 08:24:37 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA01995 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:23:48 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01992 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:23:44 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA05275 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:23:43 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 08:23:43 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA21734; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:23:41 GMT Message-Id: <199811240823.IAA21734@uks447> Date: 24 Nov 98 08:20:54 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game States MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) As far as I can see the current state of Games is as follows: Game 11 - Jon to Move (last Move 19/11/98) Game 12 - dave to Move (I thought it was me, but dave joined and I just hadn't noticed. E plays before me) Game 13 - one more Player needed to start Game 14 - ditto Game 15 - dave to Move Consider this to be in lieu of my timing out Jon and barging in front of dave... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Nov 24 01:55:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19354 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 09:55:24 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 09:55:24 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA06231 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:54:27 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06228 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:54:23 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA16974 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:54:21 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 09:54:21 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04776; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:54:18 GMT Message-Id: <199811240954.JAA04776@uks447> Date: 24 Nov 98 09:46:06 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: LSD MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) This is a Proposal idea which I'd like people's opinions on. I was going to formally put it forward today, but the more I thought about it, the more work it involved. The premise is that the Metal Tokens (Gold, Silver and Bronze) are effectively money - so why not call them that? The obvious candidate (at least to me) for the monetary units would be pounds, shillings and old pence (the 'Lsd' of the title) which were UK currency up until decimalisation in 1971. As a historical note, the 'L' and 'd' both come from Latin currency terms: 'librum' and 'denari' I believe, but I'd be more than happy to be corrected. I don't know where the term 'shilling' originates. Superficially, I thought this could just be a straight subsitution for Gold, Silver and Bronze Tokens respectively, but there are a few problems - 1. the exchange rates are right out of whack - the current exchange rate from Gold:Silver:Bronze is 1:2:4, whereas the historical (ie pre-decimal) pound:shilling:pence rate was 1:20:12. 2. a corollary of changes to the exchange rate is that tolls, costs and rewards would need, if not actually reworking, then at least some examination (this is the big chunk of work). In fact, I think they would be broadly in line as they are - tuppence for a chocolate bar seems about right somehow, although a whole shilling for a five line interchange might be a bit high. 3. token table - either the headings would have to change (eg 'L', 's' and 'd' instead of 'Go', 'Si' and 'Br'), or every Player's Luggage Rack would gain a purse which holds money instead. The purse idea would simplify the token table, though some refinements to shunting theft might be required. 4. free exchange - one of the nice things about real money is that lots of small bits will make up one large bit ie 240 pennies would be directly equivalent to one pound, whereas there are (sensible) limits on direct conversion between Bronzes and Golds except at Bank. Free conversion between pounds, shillings and pence would simplify book keeping, and if the 'real' rates of exchange were used, the current limits on Bronze use in lieu of Gold would seem unnecessary simply because it would be quite difficult to gather a pound by collecting pennies (certainly far harder than it would be now). Another possibility (but one which would require more book keeping) would be to introduce similar rules to those in Britain on how many small coins can be tendered in payment. IIRC, you can't legally pay more than about 50p in pennies for instance. Not keen on this one, I must say. A bonus of these changes would be that Golds (or pounds, as they would become) would be considerably more valuable than they are now. We've done rather well at avoiding token inflation, but adding a large dollop of deflationary pressure by boosting the value of Golds would, I think, be a good idea anyway. Looking back on my historical opposition to "Tokens As Money", this idea could be seen as a bit of a volte face (and an ironic one at that) but really I'm trying to draw a definite distinction between Plastic and Metal. No, that's not a consistent position... So: opinions? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 24 03:16:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 27258 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 11:16:00 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 11:16:00 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10281 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:14:12 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10278 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:14:08 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p23.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.23]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA06628 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:15:52 GMT Message-Id: X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:10:54 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: LSD In-Reply-To: <199811240954.JAA04776@uks447> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >The premise is that the Metal Tokens (Gold, Silver and Bronze) are >effectively money - so why not call them that? This does sound quite nice, to me, adding much to the essential Britishness of the Game. I do have a number of doubts, though... >1. the exchange rates are right out of whack - the current exchange rate > from Gold:Silver:Bronze is 1:2:4, whereas the historical (ie pre-decimal) > pound:shilling:pence rate was 1:20:12. This is my biggest quibble, really. Although more aesthetically pleasing, I think it might make the game a bit more Token intensive - I assume you'd triple most Bronze costs and multiply ten-fold all Silvers (since getting twenty Silvers for one Gold seems ridiculously over-powerful). Aside from the amusement of making the "[Collection Plate]" Action cost thirty pieces of Silver, I think this might be a bit too awkward. I'm not sure why, really. Sticking a zero at the end of everyone's Silver Token count isn't any effort at all. It just strikes me as a little unbalanced, I suppose. Essentially a theme of the Proposal - that Metallic Tokens are no longer intuitively Tokens, even if we say "Pounds, Shillings and Pence count as Tokens". It seems to grate against too much of the existing Game, for me. >2. a corollary of changes to the exchange rate is that tolls, costs and > rewards would need, if not actually reworking, then at least some > examination (this is the big chunk of work). In fact, I think they would > be broadly in line as they are - tuppence for a chocolate bar seems about > right somehow, although a whole shilling for a five line interchange > might be a bit high. This is probably a case of realism being a Bad Thing, I think. Overpriced Baguettes for 5p seems absurd, but charging a realistic three Pounds would ruin gameplay. And Violins cost rather more than 4p in the real world, I believe. >A bonus of these changes would be that Golds (or pounds, as they would >become) would be considerably more valuable than they are now. We've done >rather well at avoiding token inflation, but adding a large dollop of >deflationary pressure by boosting the value of Golds would, I think, be >a good idea anyway. Maybe. It'd make Shunt-stealing a damn sight more tilting of game balance, though, if you could swipe a Pound, and grabbing a quick Gold at the start of the Game to get yourself 240 Pennies to let you buy everything in the Emporium seems a bit too powerful... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "The golden moments in the stream of life rush past us and we see nothing but sand; the angels come to visit us, and we only know them when they are gone." -- George Eliot From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 24 04:48:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10659 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 12:48:39 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 12:48:39 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15467 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:47:18 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15455 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:47:10 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p12.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.12]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA14620 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:49:01 GMT Message-Id: <199811241249.MAA14620@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:46:25 +0000 To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 31: Proposals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Thirty-One ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No Proposals were submitted this Week. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Kevan Davis Tue Nov 24 04:49:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10732 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 12:48:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 12:48:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15468 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:47:17 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15454 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:47:10 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p12.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.12]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA14616 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:48:57 GMT Message-Id: <199811241248.MAA14616@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:45:35 +0000 To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 31: Voting Results for Week 30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 548 Lounge Lists 2 1 - - Amends 0.10.1, Enacts/Repeals 0.0.0 549 The Black Hole Of... 2 1 - - Enacts 1.19.5, Amends 1.7.16 550 Rebuilding Blocks 2 1 - - Amends 1.9.1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 548 (Kevan) - - - FOR - PAS - FOR 549 (Kevan) - - - FOR - PAS - FOR 550 (Kevan) - - - FOR - PAS - FOR ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 11 12 11 0 0 29 16 5 Halved: 5 6 5 0 14 2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 +6 +0 AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 I -0 I -0 Decisiveness: +0 +0 +0 +3 n +3 n +3 Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 -0 a -0 a -0 c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 t +0 t +0 EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 i -0 i -0 Finger/Pulse: +0 +0 +0 +5 v +5 v +5 e e Award Ceremony: +0 +0 +0 +0 +3 +1 [a] --------------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +0 +0 +0 +8 +17 +9 Final Kudos: 5 6 5 8 0 31 16 11 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - none Clever Bear Award - none Down Underground Award - +1 For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Tue Nov 24 06:09:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23174 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 14:09:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 14:09:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19432 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:05:21 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19412 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:05:12 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA16771 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:05:04 GMT Received: from uksn43.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 14:05:04 UT Received: by uksn43 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA22491; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:05:02 GMT Message-Id: <199811241405.OAA22491@uksn43> Date: 24 Nov 98 13:50:07 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 31: Voting Results for Week 30 X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UNX8.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 24-Nov-98 12:45 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id OAA19424 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I'm quite shocked I forgot to Vote. Oh dear. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Jonathan David Amery Tue Nov 24 09:47:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5276 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 17:47:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 17:47:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA31017 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:45:47 GMT Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA31013 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:45:43 GMT Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0ziMX0-0006r3-00 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:45:42 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:45:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathan David Amery To: Mornington Nomic Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 31: Proposals In-Reply-To: <199811241249.MAA14620@c...> Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Kevan Davis wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MORNINGTON NOMIC > > Proposals for Voting on in Year Two, Week Thirty-One > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No Proposals were submitted this Week. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I vote against them all... Jonathan :-) From David Kenning Tue Nov 24 09:49:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6808 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Nov 1998 17:49:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 17:49:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA31222 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:48:21 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA31219 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:48:17 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA00794; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:55:57 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game States Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:17:56 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Thanks for the update, Dunx. I know I'm overdue on my turns in games 12 and 15, but I've been subject to real life today. If you can hold off on the timeouts until tomorrow, I'd be most grateful. dave From Tue Nov 24 16:27:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6156 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Nov 1998 00:27:03 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1998 00:27:03 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA19741 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:25:45 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA19737 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:25:32 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id KAA28234; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:25:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma028128; Wed, 25 Nov 98 10:25:03 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:25:02 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428DB4@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Year 2, Week 31: Proposals Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:25:01 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Tuesday, November 24, 1998 10:46 PM, Kevan Davis [SMTP:kdavis@i...] wrote: > No Proposals were submitted this Week. Kev, what happened to the proposal I submitted two weeks ago and you said you'd seen? Do you want me to dig it out again, or do you still have a copy of my post? Noole, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From David Kenning Wed Nov 25 03:58:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17978 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Nov 1998 11:58:25 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1998 11:58:25 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18821 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:55:02 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18811 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:54:57 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA09053; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:02:37 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: RE: Year 2, Week 31: Proposals Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:24:51 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > > No Proposals were submitted this Week. > Gosh. When was the last time that happened? I must pull my finger out. dave From Kevan Davis Wed Nov 25 04:36:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4998 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Nov 1998 12:35:59 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1998 12:35:59 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20739 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:34:21 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20736 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:34:17 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p16.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.16]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA11382 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:36:44 GMT Message-Id: <199811251236.MAA11382@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:27:13 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: Year 2, Week 31: Proposals In-Reply-To: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428DB4@PIBCRMEXH001> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> No Proposals were submitted this Week. > >Kev, what happened to the proposal I submitted two weeks ago and you said >you'd seen? Do you want me to dig it out again, or do you still have a copy >of my post? I only remembered it when I was compiling the Proposals for the Week, at which time I found that it had been lost when I cleared out my old mail (only thinking to copy "important" messages when I switched mailers), and it was rather too late to ask you to resend it. Sorry about that. I think we're still allowed to give Kudos to each other, so Paul gets five of mine by way of apology. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Drank too much and I've said too much and there's nowhere to go but down." -- Morrissey, "Disappointed" From David Kenning Wed Nov 25 06:47:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15221 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Nov 1998 14:47:49 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1998 14:47:49 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA27699 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:46:06 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA27523 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:45:55 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA00649; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:53:35 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic'" Subject: MN: buttocks/pain interface Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:42:02 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) We've had bloody MS Exchange installed at work. Until I can figure out how to break it I won't be able to play my turns. Please feel free to time me out in any relevant games. What's so great about variable width fonts anyway? dave From Kevan Davis Wed Nov 25 07:25:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 7357 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Nov 1998 15:25:27 -0000 Received: from search.findmail.com (209.185.96.137) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1998 15:25:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 11719 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Nov 1998 15:36:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by search.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1998 15:36:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA29460 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:23:11 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29456 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:23:07 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p04.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.4]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA23042 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:25:37 GMT Message-Id: <199811251525.PAA23042@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:22:26 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: buttocks/pain interface In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >We've had bloody MS Exchange installed at work. Until I can figure out how >to break it I won't be able to play my turns. Please feel free to time me >out in any relevant games. > >What's so great about variable width fonts anyway? At the risk of stating the obvious, is it feasible to cut-and-paste the GSD into a sane text editor, then paste it back when done? All luck to you, anyway. I'm still at a loss as to why this new version of Eudora sometimes tries to be "clever" and indent quoted text with grey lines, a foreboding sign that it's going to mash my words to HTMLised pulp when I click "Send". Pft. Modern technology, eh? Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "There are two types of people - those who come into a room and say, 'Well, here I am!' and those who come in and say, 'Ah, there you are.'" -- Frederick L. Collins From Wed Nov 25 08:06:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1175 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Nov 1998 16:06:01 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1998 16:06:01 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA31642 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:04:52 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA31633 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:04:46 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA23285 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:04:43 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 25 Nov 1998 16:04:43 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA16684; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:04:40 GMT Message-Id: <199811251604.QAA16684@uks447> Date: 25 Nov 98 15:30:25 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: buttocks/pain interface X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 25-Nov-98 15:22 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>We've had bloody MS Exchange installed at work. Until I can figure out how >>to break it I won't be able to play my turns. Please feel free to time me >>out in any relevant games. >> >>What's so great about variable width fonts anyway? >At the risk of stating the obvious, is it feasible to cut-and-paste >the GSD into a sane text editor, then paste it back when done? >All luck to you, anyway. I'm still at a loss as to why this new >version of Eudora sometimes tries to be "clever" and indent quoted >text with grey lines, a foreboding sign that it's going to mash my >words to HTMLised pulp when I click "Send". Pft. Modern technology, >eh? It almost makes me glad that we're still using an astonishingly primitive email client at work... even that sometimes goes odd, though - little orphan words, dangling, as it mutilates yet another line. Best of luck to both of you in your wars agains the oppressors. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From David Kenning Wed Nov 25 09:13:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17965 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Nov 1998 17:13:23 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1998 17:13:23 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA02218 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:10:54 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02215 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:10:50 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA22306; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:18:32 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: buttocks/pain interface Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:03:53 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > >At the risk of stating the obvious, is it feasible to cut-and-paste > >the GSD into a sane text editor, then paste it back when done? > Yes, except I'd be cutting and pasting a garbled mess... I think I might have this bit sorted now, but we'll see. >It almost makes me glad that we're still using an astonishingly primitive >email client at work... even that sometimes goes odd, though - little orphan >words, dangling, as it mutilates yet another line. I know exactly what you mean - we've had Word 8 installed as well, which is lovely if you want a nice word processor, but what I really need is a text editor - Word won't let me anywhere near the raw text or any embedded stuff. I tried explaining this to one of our IT support people, but I don't think he even understood. Bloody marvellous. dave From Mr Wild Pants Wed Nov 25 11:44:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9337 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Nov 1998 19:39:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1998 19:39:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA10103 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:36:17 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10098 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:36:12 GMT Received: from [158.152.169.32] (helo=virusplanet.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zikjQ-0000fH-00 for l-nomic@f...; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:36:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:07:37 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Mr Wild Pants Subject: MN: "Yibble!" In-Reply-To: <199811231022.KAA22909@uks447> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Hello Nomic Types, Dunx has semi-convinced me to play MN after i've taken the light task of reading the rules. Could someone direct me towards the complete ruleset, please? Feel free to send about if this is somewhere really blatant, but having scanned the last few games, i couldn't find it. Cheers, -- Mr Wild Pants From Wed Nov 25 15:11:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25603 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Nov 1998 23:11:48 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1998 23:11:48 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA21239 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:09:33 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA21232 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:09:19 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA02851; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:09:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma002770; Thu, 26 Nov 98 09:08:58 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:08:58 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428DBB@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: buttocks/pain interface Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:08:52 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Thursday, November 26, 1998 12:42 AM, David Kenning [SMTP:KenningD@w...] wrote: > We've had bloody MS Exchange installed at work. Until I can figure out > how to break it I won't be able to play my turns. Please feel free to > time me out in any relevant games. If you need a hand, mail me on wayperp@p.... I'm using Outlook, and I've got a fair bit of experience with both Outlook and MS-Fail. One thing I do when sending GSD's to the list is copy and paste them, and then change their formatting into Courier New. Makes things much easier. Sponge rubber, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Wed Nov 25 15:37:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13868 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Nov 1998 23:37:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1998 23:37:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA22722 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:36:31 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22719 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:36:22 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA15100; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:36:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma014984; Thu, 26 Nov 98 09:35:54 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:35:54 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428DBD@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: "Yibble!" Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:35:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Wednesday, November 25, 1998 7:08 AM, Mr Wild Pants [SMTP:mwp@v...] wrote: > Dunx has semi-convinced me to play MN after i've taken the light task of > reading the rules. Could someone direct me towards the complete ruleset, > please? http://members.xoom.com/mornomic That's pretty much it. Familiarise yourself with the 0.x rules, and then more or less forget about them, since the really interesting part is the 1.x and 2.x rules. I'd suggest reading section 1.3 carefully, working out what you can play when. Then take particular note of what you can play in the way of a home station (section 1.12), and get used to the format of the moves from the most recent games. > Feel free to send about if this is somewhere really blatant, but having > scanned the last few games, i couldn't find it. I'd like to register myself as a mentor, albeit somewhat tentatively. I can't say that my play is particularly accurate, and I often feel very humbled by the sharper wits around when it comes to buzzing moves, but I'm getting better, honest! Good to see you here, anyway! Have fun, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Kevan Davis Wed Nov 25 16:38:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8721 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Nov 1998 00:38:01 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 1998 00:38:01 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA25780 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:36:46 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25777 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:36:41 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p24.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.24]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA04045 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:39:24 GMT Message-Id: <199811260039.AAA04045@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:35:38 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: "Yibble!" In-Reply-To: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428DBD@PIBCRMEXH001> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >That's pretty much it. Familiarise yourself with the 0.x rules, and then >more or less forget about them, since the really interesting part is the 1.x >and 2.x rules. I'd suggest reading section 1.3 carefully, working out what >you can play when. Then take particular note of what you can play in the >way of a home station (section 1.12), and get used to the format of the >moves from the most recent games. A good summary, there. We could really use something like that on the Web page. Or (whisper it) in the Ruleset itself. Many months ago I was blathering quietly about making the Ruleset (the 1.x and 2.x Rules, at least) into something that might feasibly packaged with a board game, so that new Players can actually read it from top to bottom and understand it easily. I fear this is quite a mammoth task, though, and probably not very suited to Nomicking - it'd just mean a huge, huge Multiple Proposal rewording virtually everything. Hmm. >> Feel free to send about if this is somewhere really blatant, but having >> scanned the last few games, i couldn't find it. > >I'd like to register myself as a mentor, albeit somewhat tentatively. Accepted. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I was skimming stones, I killed a swan." -- My Life Story, "Welcome to my Archipelago" From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Wed Nov 25 22:45:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25074 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Nov 1998 06:45:52 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 1998 06:45:52 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA09889 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 06:44:43 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA09884 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 06:44:38 GMT Received: from [208.169.218.46] (cvl218046.columbus.rr.com [208.169.218.46]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA20906 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 01:47:59 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 01:46:25 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: RE: Board Game Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >A good summary, there. We could really use something like that on the Web >page. Or (whisper it) in the Ruleset itself. Many months ago I was >blathering quietly about making the Ruleset (the 1.x and 2.x Rules, at >least) into something that might feasibly packaged with a board game, so >that new Players can actually read it from top to bottom and understand >it easily. I fear this is quite a mammoth task, though, and probably >not very suited to Nomicking - it'd just mean a huge, huge Multiple >Proposal rewording virtually everything. I'm interested in making a board game-playable version too, particularly since I have a board... Big, antique-looking wooden lacquered board, with brass fittings, and holes drilled for pegs... Although, I'd like to make a much nicer one, more suited for this particular version of the game. Make some nice, stackable wooden tokens, maybe some elegant wooden chips to represent various Hats and objects... mmm. --Riff "I wouldn't be so judgemental if you weren't such a _sick freak_." --"Goats" (www.goats.com) From duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) Wed Nov 25 23:30:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18494 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Nov 1998 07:30:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 1998 07:30:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA11940 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:29:58 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11937 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:29:54 GMT Received: from [158.152.31.180] (helo=lazarus.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zivs8-0004eN-00 for l-nomic@f...; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:29:53 +0000 From: duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: buttocks/pain interface Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:26:26 GMT Message-ID: <365d0148.296126@p...> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id HAA11938 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:03:53 -0000, you wrote: >>It almost makes me glad that we're still using an astonishingly primitive >>email client at work... even that sometimes goes odd, though - little >orphan >>words, dangling, as it mutilates yet another line. > >I know exactly what you mean - we've had Word 8 installed as well, which is >lovely if you want a nice word processor, but what I really need is a text >editor - Word won't let me anywhere near the raw text or any embedded stuff. >I tried explaining this to one of our IT support people, but I don't think >he even understood. Bloody marvellous. Useless thing. And Word 8 doesn't sound terribly good, either. If you want a text editor, I'd recommend PFE though - it's quick, reliable, and customisable. About the only thing it's missing is syntax highlighting. http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/ It's also got some nice booklet printing features, should you have access to a double sided printer. Ideal for printing out Nomic rulesets in ready reference form. Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) Wed Nov 25 23:42:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 25751 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Nov 1998 07:42:40 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 1998 07:42:40 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA12616 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:41:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA12613 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:41:50 GMT Received: from [158.152.31.180] (helo=lazarus.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0ziw3g-0002pl-00 for l-nomic@f...; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:41:49 +0000 From: duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: "Yibble!" Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:38:22 GMT Message-ID: <365e0359.825174@p...> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id HAA12614 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Mr Pants wrote: >Dunx has semi-convinced me to play MN after i've taken the light task of >reading the rules. Could someone direct me towards the complete ruleset, >please? I'm glad my maunderings on Saturday had some kind of effect... welcome, sir. Kevan subsequently replied: :A good summary, there. We could really use something like that on the Web :page. Or (whisper it) in the Ruleset itself. I made a start on a Beginners' Guide - maybe I should finish that off! The idea was to explain (inevitably, my own view) about how the game fits together. The dangers with this would be twofold: first that a separate document would have to be associated with a particular ruleset version (although most of the fundamental concepts haven't changed for ages); and secondly that my own interpretation of the rules would pollute others' views and stifle innovative play. I was also pondering a Proposal for an Annotated Game Special Ruleset, where comments made become part of the GSD itself. Still - back to the salt mines. Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From Kevan Davis Thu Nov 26 04:25:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6985 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Nov 1998 12:25:14 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 1998 12:25:14 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26008 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:23:54 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26005 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:23:50 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p08.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.8]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA04755 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:23:41 GMT Message-Id: <199811261223.MAA04755@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:07:44 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: Board Game In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) RiffRaff said:- >I'm interested in making a board game-playable version too, particularly >since I have a board... As has come up before, we'd probably have to start pretty much from scratch if we wanted to make a Ruleset that was decently playable in real life, rather than through the medium of email. The game we're playing here relies far too much on documented facts (lists of Actions and costs, all the past Moves, etc) which would become far too much to remember if we tried to sit down and play it face to face. Having each Player muse through the Ruleset for ten minutes before making eir Play is fine for email, but not for anything else. I'm still, incidentally, working away at my Mornington Crescent card game. It's diverged into two possible variants - one is a rather boring "strategy card game" where you have Station, Action and Rule cards, the first being piled in your Station Stack every time you make a move, some Stations giving you Tokens, the second costing Tokens and having a one-off effect, the third costing Tokens and having a permanent effect on play until removed. Fairly interesting, a bit fiddly, but probably the most feasible way of playing strategic Mornington Crescent in real life. I've written a Javascript deck-shuffler to help me playtest it - I'll maybe upload it to my Web page some time. My other idea, though, along completely different lines, is to make a game rather more like "Bartok". For those not in the know, Bartok is basically a simplified Uno (or Crazy Eights, or whatever you might call it), with the exception that the winner of each round gets to make up a new Rule which remains in effect for the rest of the evening. All good stuff, really, and perhaps more what Mornington Crescent should be about. I've sketchy plans for the game to have forty Station cards, ten on each of four Lines - you can play a Station on top of another Station if it shares a Line, or if it has a word in common, in its name (eg. "Green Park" on "Parsons Green"). There are also a few Action cards ("Shunt" to maybe reverse play or force the next player to pick up cards, "Block" to force the next person to skip eir go, "Wild" to change to a Line of your choice, etc.), and - critically - four copies of Mornington Crescent, the aim being to play said card as the last card in your hand. The image of someone leaning back in their chair, tossing the MC card onto the table and crying "Mornington Crescent!" is rather a pleasing one. I've still got to sit down and work it out so that each Line is fairly balanced, though, really - a fair smattering of Stations with helpful words in them, a few that link to a balanced number of other Lines, and one or two that only exist on that Line. Hmm. I'll shut up now, anyway. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Red-green colour blindness can be cheaply and easily cured using a pair of cardboard 3D-glasses." -- Dave's Web of Lies (http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~hancockd/lies.htm) From Kevan Davis Tue Dec 1 07:28:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 5 6 5 8 0 31 16 11 Halved: 2 3 2 4 15 5 --------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 I -0 I -0 Decisiveness: +0 +0 +0 +0 n +0 n +0 Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 -0 a -0 a -0 c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 t +0 t +0 EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 i -0 i -0 Finger/Pulse: +0 +0 +0 +0 v +0 v +0 e e Award Ceremony: +0 +3 +0 +0 +3 +1 [a] --------------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +0 +3 +0 +0 +3 +1 Final Kudos: 2 6 2 4 0 18 16 6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - none Clever Bear Award - Dunx (Bulkheading Wembley Park, Game 11) Down Underground Award - +1 For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Dec 1 07:28:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21746 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Dec 1998 15:27:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 1998 15:27:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26528 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:26:21 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26524 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:26:16 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p11.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.11]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA16439 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:26:02 GMT Message-Id: <199812011526.PAA16439@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 15:26:16 +0000 To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 32: Proposals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Week Thirty-Two -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 552 - Random Factor [Enactment] { Comments : Way back when I first proposed the Courier Rule, I bewailed that there was no fair way to select Stations at random. In light of recent enlightenments, the following is an amendment to Couriering that permits Players to either specify the two Stations, or to have them selected randomly. I was just going to replace it with the latter, but I think it's probably better to have both until we decide which is best. I know I'm a little hesitant to put *too* much of a random element in the game, at the expense of skill. } 1. The Only Way to Die [Enactment] Whenever a Rule calls for a die-roll to be made, the person required to make the roll shall do so using the dice server at http://www.pbm.com/dice, with results being sent to the Game Lounge in which the die-roll is required. 2. Pick an Address, any Address [Amendment] Replace everything from "If neither Pick-Up..." in Rule 1.11.2 (Three-Point Courier) with:- If neither Pick-Up nor Destination Station is defined, any Player (except the Drone) may perform a "[Courier Call (Fixed)]" or "[Courier Call (Random)]" Action. In the first case, e may select a Pick-Up Station and Destination Station (both of which must be outside of Zone 1, in different Quadrants, on different Lines, and neither of which may be a Home Station or in the same Quadrant as the Actioning Player) and note these on the Game State Document. In the latter case, e should roll two 295-sided dice after submitting eir Turn. The next Player to take a Turn should reference these die-rolls with the table of Venbacker numbers, to determine the Pick-Up Station (first roll) and Destination Station (second roll), which should then be added to the GSD. { Comments : A table of Venbacker Numbers - a list of Stations, each with a unique number from 1 to 295, shall be put up on the Web page if this Proposal passes. } 3. Delivered in Half an Hour or your Pizza is Free [Amendment] Replace the "[Courier Call]" Action with "[Courier Call (Fixed)]", and add a new "[Courier Call (Random)]" Action, identical but for having a zero-Token cost. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 553 - The Hills Are Dead [Amendment] Remove the second sentences of both paragraphs of Rule 1.6.2 (The Slippery Slope). { Comments : Er, there's no such thing as a High Hill Station, after all. } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 554 - Carelessness Begins At Home [Amendment] In Rule 1.12.2 (Declaring a Home Station), replace "The following sets of Stations may not be used as Home Stations:" with "The following sets of Stations may not be chosen as Home Stations: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 555 - Current Account [Enactment] { Comment: It's been suggested before, but having the Currents in with the Ruleset would simplify things. Note that any change to the Map would require these to be recalculated. Not impossible, but time consuming. } The Station Currents for the Map defined in Rule 1.17.1 are calculated to be: +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Station Current | Station Current | +-----------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ | Acton Town . . . . . . . . . . 63 | Aldgate . . . . . . . . . . . .32 | | Aldgate East . . . . . . . . . 39 | All Saints . . . . . . . . . . 52 | | Alperton . . . . . . . . . . . 65 | Amersham . . . . . . . . . . .100 | | Angel . . . . . . . . . . . . .21 | Archway . . . . . . . . . . . .35 | | Arnos Grove . . . . . . . . . .52 | Arsenal . . . . . . . . . . . .38 | | Baker Street . . . . . . . . . 19 | Balham . . . . . . . . . . . . 49 | | Bank . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21 | Barbican . . . . . . . . . . . 16 | | Barking . . . . . . . . . . . .70 | Barkingside . . . . . . . . . .79 | | Barons Court . . . . . . . . . 41 | Bayswater . . . . . . . . . . .31 | | Beckton . . . . . . . . . . . .86 | Beckton Park . . . . . . . . . 77 | | Becontree . . . . . . . . . . .76 | Belsize Park . . . . . . . . . 28 | | Bermondsey . . . . . . . . . . 36 | Bethnal Green . . . . . . . . .40 | | Blackfriars . . . . . . . . . .16 | Blackhorse Road . . . . . . . .56 | | Blackwall . . . . . . . . . . .57 | Bond Street . . . . . . . . . .15 | | Borough . . . . . . . . . . . .29 | Boston Manor . . . . . . . . . 69 | | Bounds Green . . . . . . . . . 50 | Bow Church . . . . . . . . . . 52 | | Bow Road . . . . . . . . . . . 50 | Brent Cross . . . . . . . . . .37 | | Brixton . . . . . . . . . . . .44 | Bromley-by-Bow . . . . . . . . 56 | | Buckhurst Hill . . . . . . . . 79 | Burnt Oak . . . . . . . . . . .46 | | Caledonian Road . . . . . . . .32 | Camden Town . . . . . . . . . .22 | | Canada Water . . . . . . . . . 43 | Canary Wharf . . . . . . . . . 55 | | Canning Town . . . . . . . . . 62 | Cannon Street . . . . . . . . .18 | | Canons Park . . . . . . . . . .54 | Chalfont and Latimer . . . . . 91 | | Chalk Farm . . . . . . . . . . 26 | Chancery Lane . . . . . . . . .10 | | Charing Cross . . . . . . . . .12 | Chesham . . . . . . . . . . . .97 | | Chigwell . . . . . . . . . . . 80 | Chiswick Park . . . . . . . . .62 | | Chorleywood . . . . . . . . . .86 | Clapham Common . . . . . . . . 45 | | Clapham North . . . . . . . . .44 | Clapham South . . . . . . . . .47 | | Cockfosters . . . . . . . . . .58 | Colindale . . . . . . . . . . .44 | | Colliers Wood . . . . . . . . .54 | Covent Garden . . . . . . . . . 4 | | Crossharbour and London Arena .57 | Croxley . . . . . . . . . . . .85 | | Custom House . . . . . . . . . 70 | Cyprus . . . . . . . . . . . . 79 | | Dagenham East . . . . . . . . .83 | Dagenham Heathway . . . . . . .79 | | Debden . . . . . . . . . . . . 87 | Devons Road . . . . . . . . . .52 | | Dollis Hill . . . . . . . . . .41 | Ealing Broadway . . . . . . . .68 | | Ealing Common . . . . . . . . .62 | Earl's Court . . . . . . . . . 35 | | East Acton . . . . . . . . . . 47 | East Finchley . . . . . . . . .39 | | East Ham . . . . . . . . . . . 68 | East India . . . . . . . . . . 60 | | East Putney . . . . . . . . . .49 | Eastcote . . . . . . . . . . . 73 | | Edgware . . . . . . . . . . . .49 | Edgware Road . . . . . . . . . 26 | | Elephant and Castle . . . . . .32 | Elm Park . . . . . . . . . . . 86 | | Embankment . . . . . . . . . . 15 | Epping . . . . . . . . . . . . 93 | | Euston . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 | Euston Square . . . . . . . . .11 | | Fairlop . . . . . . . . . . . .80 | Farringdon . . . . . . . . . . 15 | | Finchley Central . . . . . . . 41 | Finchley Road . . . . . . . . .30 | | Finsbury Park . . . . . . . . .41 | Fulham Broadway . . . . . . . .42 | | Gallions Reach . . . . . . . . 81 | Gants Hill . . . . . . . . . . 75 | | Gloucester Road . . . . . . . .31 | Golders Green . . . . . . . . .35 | | Goldhawk Road . . . . . . . . .42 | Goodge Street . . . . . . . . . 4 | | Grange Hill . . . . . . . . . .82 | Great Portland Street . . . . .12 | | Green Park . . . . . . . . . . 16 | Greenford . . . . . . . . . . .71 | | Gunnersbury . . . . . . . . . .62 | Hainault . . . . . . . . . . . 81 | | Hammersmith . . . . . . . . . .43 | Hampstead . . . . . . . . . . .32 | | Hanger Lane . . . . . . . . . .65 | Harlesden . . . . . . . . . . .47 | | Harrow and Wealdstone . . . . .58 | Harrow-on-the-Hill . . . . . . 59 | | Hatton Cross . . . . . . . . . 77 | Heathrow Terminal 123 . . . . .81 | | Heathrow Terminal 4 . . . . . .82 | Hendon Central . . . . . . . . 41 | | Heron Quays . . . . . . . . . .56 | High Barnet . . . . . . . . . .51 | | High Street Kensington . . . . 31 | Highbury and Islington . . . . 34 | | Highgate . . . . . . . . . . . 37 | Hillingdon . . . . . . . . . . 83 | | Holborn . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 | Holland Park . . . . . . . . . 36 | | Holloway Road . . . . . . . . .35 | Hornchurch . . . . . . . . . . 88 | | Hounslow Central . . . . . . . 72 | Hounslow East . . . . . . . . .71 | | Hounslow West . . . . . . . . .74 | Hyde Park Corner . . . . . . . 19 | | Ickenham . . . . . . . . . . . 81 | Island Gardens . . . . . . . . 59 | | Kennington . . . . . . . . . . 39 | Kensal Green . . . . . . . . . 45 | | Kensington (Olympia) . . . . . 35 | Kentish Town . . . . . . . . . 27 | | Kenton . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 | Kew Gardens . . . . . . . . . .65 | | Kilburn . . . . . . . . . . . .36 | Kilburn Park . . . . . . . . . 42 | | King's Cross St. Pancras . . . 15 | Kingsbury . . . . . . . . . . .49 | | Knightsbridge . . . . . . . . .21 | Ladbroke Grove . . . . . . . . 40 | | Lambeth North . . . . . . . . .29 | Lancaster Gate . . . . . . . . 22 | | Latimer Road . . . . . . . . . 41 | Leicester Square . . . . . . . .5 | | Leyton . . . . . . . . . . . . 64 | Leytonstone . . . . . . . . . .65 | | Limehouse . . . . . . . . . . .45 | Liverpool Street . . . . . . . 31 | | London Bridge . . . . . . . . .28 | Loughton . . . . . . . . . . . 84 | | Maida Vale . . . . . . . . . . 40 | Manor House . . . . . . . . . .45 | | Mansion House . . . . . . . . .17 | Marble Arch . . . . . . . . . .21 | | Marylebone . . . . . . . . . . 24 | Mile End . . . . . . . . . . . 48 | | Mill Hill East . . . . . . . . 46 | Monument . . . . . . . . . . . 24 | | Moor Park . . . . . . . . . . .81 | Moorgate . . . . . . . . . . . 23 | | Morden . . . . . . . . . . . . 58 | Mornington Crescent . . . . . .18 | | Mudchute . . . . . . . . . . . 58 | Neasden . . . . . . . . . . . .43 | | New Cross . . . . . . . . . . .51 | New Cross Gate . . . . . . . . 49 | | Newbury Park . . . . . . . . . 79 | North Acton . . . . . . . . . .52 | | North Ealing . . . . . . . . . 62 | North Greenwich . . . . . . . .60 | | North Harrow . . . . . . . . . 65 | North Wembley . . . . . . . . .49 | | Northfields . . . . . . . . . .67 | Northolt . . . . . . . . . . . 73 | | Northwick Park . . . . . . . . 55 | Northwood . . . . . . . . . . .77 | | Northwood Hills . . . . . . . .73 | Notting Hill Gate . . . . . . .30 | | Oakwood . . . . . . . . . . . .56 | Old Street . . . . . . . . . . 23 | | Osterley . . . . . . . . . . . 71 | Oval . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 | | Oxford Circus . . . . . . . . . 8 | Paddington . . . . . . . . . . 32 | | Park Royal . . . . . . . . . . 62 | Parsons Green . . . . . . . . .44 | | Perivale . . . . . . . . . . . 69 | Piccadilly Circus . . . . . . . 9 | | Pimlico . . . . . . . . . . . .30 | Pinner . . . . . . . . . . . . 67 | | Plaistow . . . . . . . . . . . 64 | Poplar . . . . . . . . . . . . 52 | | Preston Road . . . . . . . . . 50 | Prince Regent . . . . . . . . .72 | | Pudding Mill Lane . . . . . . .55 | Putney Bridge . . . . . . . . .46 | | Queens Park . . . . . . . . . .43 | Queensbury . . . . . . . . . . 51 | | Queensway . . . . . . . . . . .26 | Ravenscourt Park . . . . . . . 48 | | Rayners Lane . . . . . . . . . 71 | Redbridge . . . . . . . . . . .72 | | Regent's Park . . . . . . . . .10 | Richmond . . . . . . . . . . . 67 | | Rickmansworth . . . . . . . . .84 | Roding Valley . . . . . . . . .76 | | Rotherhithe . . . . . . . . . .43 | Royal Albert . . . . . . . . . 74 | | Royal Oak . . . . . . . . . . .38 | Royal Victoria . . . . . . . . 67 | | Ruislip . . . . . . . . . . . .78 | Ruislip Gardens . . . . . . . .74 | | Ruislip Manor . . . . . . . . .75 | Russell Square . . . . . . . . .8 | | Seven Sisters . . . . . . . . .50 | Shadwell . . . . . . . . . . . 41 | | Shepherd's Bush . . . . . . . .39 | Shoreditch . . . . . . . . . . 40 | | Sloane Square . . . . . . . . .23 | Snaresbrook . . . . . . . . . .67 | | South Ealing . . . . . . . . . 65 | South Harrow . . . . . . . . . 68 | | South Kensington . . . . . . . 28 | South Kenton . . . . . . . . . 50 | | South Quay . . . . . . . . . . 57 | South Ruislip . . . . . . . . .73 | | South Wimbledon . . . . . . . .56 | South Woodford . . . . . . . . 69 | | Southfields . . . . . . . . . .53 | Southgate . . . . . . . . . . .54 | | Southwark . . . . . . . . . . .23 | St. James's Park . . . . . . . 18 | | St. John's Wood . . . . . . . .26 | St. Paul's . . . . . . . . . . 16 | | Stamford Brook . . . . . . . . 53 | Stanmore . . . . . . . . . . . 56 | | Stepney Green . . . . . . . . .43 | Stockwell . . . . . . . . . . .42 | | Stonebridge Park . . . . . . . 48 | Stratford . . . . . . . . . . .62 | | Sudbury Hill . . . . . . . . . 67 | Sudbury Town . . . . . . . . . 66 | | Surrey Quays . . . . . . . . . 47 | Swiss Cottage . . . . . . . . .28 | | Temple . . . . . . . . . . . . 16 | Theydon Bois . . . . . . . . . 90 | | Tooting Bec . . . . . . . . . .51 | Tooting Broadway . . . . . . . 53 | | Tottenham Court Road . . . . . .0 | Tottenham Hale . . . . . . . . 51 | | Totteridge and Whetstone . . . 48 | Tower Gateway . . . . . . . . .34 | | Tower Hill . . . . . . . . . . 32 | Tufnell Park . . . . . . . . . 33 | | Turnham Green . . . . . . . . .58 | Turnpike Lane . . . . . . . . .47 | | Upminster . . . . . . . . . . .94 | Upminster Bridge . . . . . . . 91 | | Upney . . . . . . . . . . . . .73 | Upton Park . . . . . . . . . . 66 | | Uxbridge . . . . . . . . . . . 88 | Vauxhall . . . . . . . . . . . 36 | | Victoria . . . . . . . . . . . 20 | Walthamstow Central . . . . . .58 | | Wanstead . . . . . . . . . . . 70 | Wapping . . . . . . . . . . . .42 | | Warren Street . . . . . . . . . 9 | Warwick Avenue . . . . . . . . 38 | | Waterloo . . . . . . . . . . . 23 | Watford . . . . . . . . . . . .87 | | Wembley Central . . . . . . . .49 | Wembley Park . . . . . . . . . 45 | | West Acton . . . . . . . . . . 57 | West Brompton . . . . . . . . .40 | | West Finchley . . . . . . . . .43 | West Ham . . . . . . . . . . . 63 | | West Hampstead . . . . . . . . 33 | West Harrow . . . . . . . . . .65 | | West India Quay . . . . . . . .54 | West Kensington . . . . . . . .39 | | West Ruislip . . . . . . . . . 84 | Westbourne Park . . . . . . . .39 | | Westferry . . . . . . . . . . .48 | Westminster . . . . . . . . . .16 | | White City . . . . . . . . . . 44 | Whitechapel . . . . . . . . . .40 | | Willesden Green . . . . . . . .39 | Willesden Junction . . . . . . 46 | | Wimbledon . . . . . . . . . . .61 | Wimbledon Park . . . . . . . . 57 | | Wood Green . . . . . . . . . . 48 | Woodford . . . . . . . . . . . 72 | | Woodside Park . . . . . . . . .46 | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 556 - For Home the Bell Tolls [Amendment] Changes the Action [Toll to ] from a Neutral Action to a Pre-Move Action, and alters charts 1.7.2 (Pre-Move Actions) and 1.7.16 (Neutral Actions) accordingly. {Comment: Since the Toll action only unblocks the targeted Home station for the duration of the Actioning Player's Turn, it can only be usefully played before the Player has Moved. } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 557 - Authorized Personnel Only [Multiple] 1) Creates Rule 1.7.41 "Authorization Actions", to be listed after rule 1.7.2, and reading as follows: Authorization Actions are a subset of Pre-Move Actions; their entire effect is to allow the Actioning Player to move to a station that e would not otherwise be allowed to move to on that turn. These Actions do not represent the Move itself, only the gaining of authorization to make that Move. For example, performing the [Home] Action does not move the Actioning Player to eir Home Station, but merely permits the Player to move there on that turn. Likewise, the [Line Change] Action does not in itself represent the changing of lines, but merely the gaining of permission to change line one or more times on that Turn. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Action Rule Duration Cost ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Cascade Sidestep] 1.8.2 -3 Bk [Dollis Sidestep] 1.8.1 -1 Si [Dollis Escape] 1.8.1 [Home] 1.12.4 30 mins [Line Change] 1.5.11 none -1 Bk [Wild] 1.11.1 30 mins -1 Bk 2) Remove the listings for the Authorization Actions listed in Rule 1.7.41 from the list in rule 1.7.2. {Comment: I wanted to try and clairify the rules pertaining to the little debate we had over the [Line Change] Action; since many other Pre-Move Actions work the same way, I figured the easiest move would be to place them in their own category, with a blanket explanation. } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 558 - San Francisco 1849 (Annotated Games) [Special Ruleset] [Enactment: Annotated Games] In order to provide lasting commentary on tactical thought, Notes may be added to individual Plays. Notes begin on the line immediately following the last Action of the Play and should be indented in order to avoid rendering the Player names illegible. Notes begin with "{ Note:" and end with a close brace "}". Notes do not have a direct effect on the state of play. Eg In the following fragment, Rushton wishes to note the tactics behind eir Move... Rushton : [LV+2] Bank (NT) [Black Token on Moorgate] { Note: Moorgate is now a Kafka Sinkhole, which should discourage anyone from Straddling from it. } In contrast to the essentially ephemeral Comment, Notes become part of the Play and are not to be removed. [Enactment: Annotate With Me] On starting an Annotated Game, the Speaker may specify that only Mentors may Play in the Game. { Comment: There is a tradition in MC of annotated games, intended to educate the inexperienced. It seems sensible to provide the same mechanism in MN. } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 559 - A-Farkling We Will Go [Multiple] a) Creates the following rule: Rule 1.5.12: Farkling If a Player is in possession of a Silly Hat, e may play [Farkle] as eir Move. Eir Line Velocity is reduced to zero, and e gains one Green Token, one Bronze Token, and one Token of either Blue or Black. Any references to eir "previous Move" should be taken as referring to the last Station e played as eir Move. b) Adds the following line to the chart in Rule 1.7.3 (Move Substitution Actions): [Farkle] 1.5.12 +1 Gr +1 Br +1 Bk/Bu {Comments: I was flipping through Encyclopedia Morningtonia looking for ideas, and this seemed like a good one. Since it's defined as "Sacrificing a turn (usually in a frivolous manner)", I figured the it would be necessary to have a Silly Hat, which needs another purpose anyway, imo. Plus, I thought there should be a way to gain Green Tokens...} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 560 - Pegs Tie (Resubmission) [Action] { Comment: Resubmitting since the last vote on this was inquorate. } A Line Segment between two Pegged Stations may itself be Pegged by playing the Post-Move Action [Pegging from to ] ... where & are Pegged Stations and is a Line upon which both Stations rest and via which there is a continuous route between the Stations that requires no changes in direction. The order of Stations in the Action is not significant. This Action must be played in the same Turn as and immediately following the Action which Pegged one of the end points of the Line Segment. Pegging a Line Segment causes all Stations in that Line Segment to be considered Pegged. Note that only the specified Line is Pegged - if another Line runs parallel to the Pegged Line Segment, then that remains unpegged until and unless it is Pegged in its own right. A Line Segment may not be Pegged if any Player Piece rests upon it or if it overlaps another Pegged Line Segment. A Line Segment is Unpegged when one of its end Stations is Unpegged. Action: [Pegging From To ] Cost: 1 Bu per unpegged Station in Line Segment Duration: 20 mins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 561 - The Freem Clamp [Multiple] Enactment: The Freem Clamp explained A Player may perform the Action of "[Freeming ]", where is a Player with a Piece adjacent to the Actioning Player's Piece position. A Freemed Player gains a "Freem Clamp" Possession. Freem Clamps are Indestructable Possessions. If a Player is carrying a Freem Clamp, e may not move eir Piece through any Interchanges with more than two Lines and may not Shunt or Straddle. A Player may destroy a single Freem Clamp which they are carrying, by performing the Action of "[Freem-away!]" whilst at any Station in a Zone above (outside) Zone 4. {Borrowing wholesale from Spoon, this is another thing to clamp on someone when wanting to do them injury. It should be fairly simple to get rid of them by going straight out along a line, or, in emergency, Striling or asking to be Shunted.} Enactment: The Freem Clamp Actions [Freeming ] 20mins 2 Red, 1 Green [Freem-away!] 10mins nil -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tue Dec 1 10:21:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2813 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Dec 1998 18:21:22 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 1998 18:21:22 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03565 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:17:46 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03562 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:17:41 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA10418 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:17:36 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 1 Dec 1998 18:17:36 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA17565; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:17:32 GMT Message-Id: <199812011817.SAA17565@uks447> Date: 01 Dec 98 16:00:43 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 32: Voting Results for Week 31 X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 01-Dec-98 15:22 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Clever Bear Award - Dunx (Bulkheading Wembley Park, Game 11) *blush* -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) Tue Dec 1 13:32:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29322 invoked by uid 7770); 1 Dec 1998 21:32:00 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 1998 21:32:00 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA14218 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:28:55 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14214 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:28:50 GMT Received: from [158.152.31.180] (helo=lazarus.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zkxLl-0007bP-00 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:28:49 +0000 From: duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 32: Proposals Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 21:25:20 GMT Message-ID: <36645b25.488493@p...> References: <199812011526.PAA16439@c...> In-Reply-To: <199812011526.PAA16439@c...> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id VAA14216 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) The Week's Proposals (so ably distributed by our illustrious Speaker) included: >Proposal 552 - Random Factor [Enactment] >{ Comments : A table of Venbacker Numbers - a list of Stations, each with > a unique number from 1 to 295, shall be put up on the Web > page if this Proposal passes. } Might I suggest combining this with the Current Table in Proposal 555 should that pass? Or on the web, for that matter. It might minimise the number of large tables floating around (quoth that person responsible for two of the largest...) >Proposal 553 - The Hills Are Dead [Amendment] >{ Comments : Er, there's no such thing as a High Hill Station, after all. } Quite. Odd we hadn't noticed it before, really. >Proposal 557 - Authorized Personnel Only [Multiple] Yes - rather a nice clarification, really. >Proposal 559 - A-Farkling We Will Go [Multiple] Fine, except... >Plus, I thought there should be a way to gain Green Tokens...} What, apart from Recycling, you mean? >Proposal 561 - The Freem Clamp [Multiple] Rather splendid - and reassuringly brutal, to boot. There are a few sections of the map from which you couldn't escape (without Striling, or some form of Tunneling perhaps), but then that's all part of the Game. Of course, the ruleset is worded such that >2 line Interchanges are effectively placed under a Maelberg variance for a Freemed Player, so perhaps "No escape" is a little strong... but very pleasing all the same. Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From Tue Dec 1 16:36:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23715 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Dec 1998 00:36:15 -0000 Received: from search.findmail.com (209.185.96.137) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 1998 00:36:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 2103 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Dec 1998 00:49:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by search.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 1998 00:49:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA24571 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:32:32 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24561 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:32:20 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id KAA14592; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:31:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma014522; Wed, 2 Dec 98 10:31:29 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:31:29 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428DD5@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 32: Proposals Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:31:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Wednesday, December 02, 1998 7:25 AM, duncan@l... [SMTP:duncan@l...] wrote: > >Proposal 553 - The Hills Are Dead [Amendment] > >{ Comments : Er, there's no such thing as a High Hill Station, after all. > Quite. Odd we hadn't noticed it before, really. My excuse is that there's a "Highgate Hill" (albeit not a train station) in Brisbane... Lengths, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Kevan Davis Wed Dec 2 04:10:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18499 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Dec 1998 12:10:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (majordom@1...) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 1998 12:10:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26939 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:08:45 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26936 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:08:40 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p10.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.10]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA04718 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:08:35 GMT Message-Id: <199812021208.MAA04718@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 12:07:59 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 32: Proposals In-Reply-To: <199812011526.PAA16439@c...> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Proposal 555 - Current Account [Enactment] > >{ Comment: > It's been suggested before, but having the Currents in with the Ruleset > would simplify things. Nng. It would, but I didn't realise they'd take up that much space (even when altered to three columns, as in the example Dunx lobbed me through private email). Personally I'm happy just to keep a copy of the Charge Delta Calculator and Current-List Web pages on my hard drive, so that I can kick them open when I need to check anything (and usually I only need the Delta Calculator anyway). Adding another 12k of text to the Ruleset seems a little too horrible, to me. >Proposal 556 - For Home the Bell Tolls [Amendment] > >{Comment: > Since the Toll action only unblocks the targeted Home station for the >duration of the Actioning Player's Turn, it can only be usefully played >before the Player has Moved. >} Not actually true; at a glance, the post-Move Action of Straddling is affected by Blocked Stations, so Moving, paying a Toll and Straddling is a possibility. Maybe best left, I'm not sure. I don't think we've ever, ever had anyone play the "[Toll]" Action, so I doubt it makes too much difference. >Proposal 557 - Authorized Personnel Only [Multiple] > >{Comment: > I wanted to try and clairify the rules pertaining to the little debate >we had over the [Line Change] Action; since many other Pre-Move Actions >work the same way, I figured the easiest move would be to place them in >their own category, with a blanket explanation. >} Hmm. I'm not sure about this one, really. The clarification's nice, but the Proposed "big pile of text followed by a table" clashes a bit with that part of the Ruleset. I thought the relevant rules were sufficiently self- explanatory about the "this Action makes such-and-such a Move Valid" thing, myself. And I still think we should kill off Move Substitutions and replace them with "making a Move Valid" pre-Moves (or post-Moves that can only be played after a Pass, for "[Visiting]"). Mutter. Mumble. >Proposal 558 - San Francisco 1849 (Annotated Games) [Special Ruleset] Hmm. Interesting, although I'm not sure how many noteworthy Plays would be made, in practice. The York Server annotated games tend to work quite well because there are well-established responses and counters to a lot of Plays, and they can be roped in as examples, but - short of agreeing "Okay, I'll catch some Pigeons; Dunx will set up a Courier Call and Spoon me as I try to get to a Park" stuff prior to the match - I can see us getting through a Game without an awful lot of enlightening explanation going on. Maybe it'd be better just to write a few miniature example Games between Brooke-Taylor, Cryer, Garden, Rushton, so that we can intentionally set things up to demonstrate interesting or confusing aspects of the Game. (The only obvious problem is that the Rules might change to render them obsolete. Oh well.) >Proposal 559 - A-Farkling We Will Go [Multiple] Not sure about this one, really. Natural dislike of Move Substitutions aside, I think it could be more frivolous - "[Farkle]" as a pre-Move that lets you play anything other than a Tube Station as your Move would, I think, be more Farklesque. And gaining Tokens for it seems to fly in the face of it being a "sacrifice of one's Move". Hmm. >Proposal 560 - Pegs Tie (Resubmission) [Action] > >{ Comment: Resubmitting since the last vote on this was inquorate. } Fair enough. I think I voted against it, last time, because it seemed too fiddly to set up, too much to remember and too expensive. And there doesn't seem to have been a lot of Peg play so far, so I'm dubious of its merit. >Proposal 561 - The Freem Clamp [Multiple] Interesting. I'm not sure how bothersome the Unfreeming Action will be to perform, and I'm not sure how much the Freeming Action warrants a "neutral" Green, but the rest of it seems okay. Certainly worth trying out, I think. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Euston, we have a problem." -- Private Eye cartoon From Thu Dec 3 04:59:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14203 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Dec 1998 12:59:22 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 1998 12:59:22 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07934 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:55:59 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07929 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:55:47 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA27581 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:55:37 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 3 Dec 1998 12:55:37 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA29433; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:55:33 GMT Message-Id: <199812031255.MAA29433@uks447> Date: 03 Dec 98 11:00:48 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game Positions MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I might start doing these regularly, if people think they're useful... anyway, the current Game positions are: Game To Play Last Move ---------------------------------- 11 PaulWay 1-December-1998 00:34 12 RiffRaff 3-December-1998 08:28 13 not in play - one more Player required 14 dave 24-November-1998 12:33 [1] 15 dave 23-November-1998 07:28 [2] [1] not much point timing out, since it's just me and dave. [2] timeout pretty much immediately, then it'll be Kevan's go. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From David Kenning Thu Dec 3 11:13:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16611 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Dec 1998 19:13:08 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 1998 19:13:08 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA29030 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:10:44 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29027 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:10:38 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA29441; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:18:42 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game Positions Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:26:43 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > 14 dave 24-November-1998 12:33 [1] > 15 dave 23-November-1998 07:28 [2] > >[1] not much point timing out, since it's just me and dave. >[2] timeout pretty much immediately, then it'll be Kevan's go. > I didn't even realise these games had started. I haven't received any mail from the relevant lists, but looking at the dates, this might be because the last moves were posted around the time (one of the times!) egroups decided to switch me to 'read it on the web'. Apologies for slowing things up. I'll get on with it. dave > -- > Dunx > IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle > > From David Kenning Thu Dec 3 11:24:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22764 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Dec 1998 19:24:42 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 1998 19:24:42 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA29826 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:22:46 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29823 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:22:41 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA29017; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:30:44 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game Positions Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:47:45 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) to confirm which game is which, as I understand it: > 11 - Long > 12 - Vanilla > 13 - Capture the Flag > 14 - Chalk Farm > 15 - Ruttsborough > Please correct me if I'm wrong. dave > [1] not much point timing out, since it's just me and dave. > [2] timeout pretty much immediately, then it'll be Kevan's go. > > -- > Dunx > IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle > > From David Kenning Thu Dec 3 11:35:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29309 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Dec 1998 19:35:20 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 1998 19:35:20 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA30374 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:33:34 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA30371 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:33:27 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA30139; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:41:29 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic'" Subject: MN: help! Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:14:08 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) For some reason my poxy browser won't load the ruleset in its entirety - either version. In the text version, it gets stuck in 0.9.2, and in hte HTML version, it gets stuck halfway through Carol Vorderman. This is most annoying and means I am scuppered in most current games. I can't see anything in my browser about not loading files above a certain size (I expect it's yet another aspect the bastards upstairs have 'customized'). It does give me an idea though - Kevan, how about the possibility of breaking the rules into more than one document? I often find myself skipping past the Nomic Mechanics section anyway (and I'm sure I'm not the only one), so it would serve a dual purpose. dave From David Kenning Thu Dec 3 11:37:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30891 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Dec 1998 19:37:34 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 1998 19:37:34 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA30428 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:35:43 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA30419 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:35:37 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA28080; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:43:42 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: RE: Game Positions Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:21:49 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just to expand on Dunx's table... > Game List Rules To Play Last Move > ------------------------------------------------------ > 11 MN-L Long PaulWay 1-December-1998 00:34 > 12 MN-C Vanilla RiffRaff 3-December-1998 08:28 > 13 MN-G Flag not in play - one more Player required > 14 MN-B CF 84 dave 24-November-1998 12:33 > 15 MN-R Rutts dave 23-November-1998 07:28 > I think it would be a very good idea if the current game positions as above were posted to the main list once a week. I also had a proposal idea based on this - since Kevan may not want to take part in all games or face the chore of keeping an eye on them all, I was thinking of suggesting 'referees' for each game who would take the effective role of deputy speaker for their respective games. Good idea? Each referee could perhaps post a report on their game once per week. dave From Kevan Davis Thu Dec 3 14:53:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23988 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Dec 1998 22:53:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 1998 22:53:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08676 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:50:52 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08665 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:50:38 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p25.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.25]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA15815 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:50:25 GMT Message-Id: <199812032250.WAA15815@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 22:47:23 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: Game Positions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> Game List Rules To Play Last Move >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> 11 MN-L Long PaulWay 1-December-1998 00:34 >> 12 MN-C Vanilla RiffRaff 3-December-1998 08:28 >> 13 MN-G Flag not in play - one more Player required >> 14 MN-B CF 84 dave 24-November-1998 12:33 >> 15 MN-R Rutts dave 23-November-1998 07:28 >> >I think it would be a very good idea if the current game positions as above >were posted to the main list once a week. I also had a proposal idea based >on this - since Kevan may not want to take part in all games or face the >chore of keeping an eye on them all, I was thinking of suggesting 'referees' >for each game who would take the effective role of deputy speaker for their >respective games. Good idea? Each referee could perhaps post a report on >their game once per week. It's certainly helpful of Dunx to put such information forward; I'm not sure if it'd be better as a weekly summary or a constantly updated Web page - a week is a long time in Mornington Nomic, but then again checking a page is quite tiresome (and maintaining it more tiresome still). Naif to such things, I've no idea if it'd be possible to rig up some cgi foppery that interrogated the five Lounge Archives and (after simply glancing at the leftmost frame content) returned the name of the person who most recently sent a message entitled "Game X Game State Document" to the list. Tish. As for being "deputy speaker" for individual games; I'm not sure how urgent this is, since I rarely have to much work in the games themselves. Selecting referees perhaps, but it'd probably be easier all round just to say "the Buzzing Player should roll a die to select a Referee", rather than waiting for the Speaker (Deputy or otherwise) to notice. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Whatever follows life is incurable." -- M:TG card text, "Dread Specter" From Kevan Davis Thu Dec 3 14:54:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 24189 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Dec 1998 22:54:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 1998 22:54:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08671 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:50:48 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08661 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:50:31 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p25.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.25]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA15795 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:50:12 GMT Message-Id: <199812032250.WAA15795@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 22:40:49 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: help! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >For some reason my poxy browser won't load the ruleset in its entirety - >either version. In the text version, it gets stuck in 0.9.2, and in hte HTML >version, it gets stuck halfway through Carol Vorderman. I dimly recall this problem cropping up last year, but forget how or why. Checking the online versions of the files, they seem to load quite happily into my browser, so I really can't guess what might be wrong. Either Xoom's being awkward, or (and I hazard wildly, knowing little of these things) it's some memory problem that your browser's having, and a reload or reboot might knock some sense into it. >It does give me an idea though - Kevan, how about the possibility of >breaking the rules into more than one document? I often find myself skipping >past the Nomic Mechanics section anyway (and I'm sure I'm not the only one), >so it would serve a dual purpose. This has been vaguely discussed a couple of times - at the end of the day, it's better to have them in one big file so that you can swipe the whole thing for a local copy, or to allow you to search for items of interest. I could kludge another godawful QBasic file-shredder to split the ruleset into a few sections, if there's much need for it, and have both available from the Web page. You're right about the Nomic Mechanics section, though - I can't remember the last time I glanced at that, aside from checking which Award is which at the end of the Week. Hmm. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Terror, like charity, begins at home." -- The Whitlams, "You Sound Like Louis Burdett" From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Fri Dec 4 00:53:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30813 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Dec 1998 08:53:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 1998 08:53:44 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA06809 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:53:18 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06806 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:53:13 GMT Received: from [208.169.218.46] (cvl218046.columbus.rr.com [208.169.218.46]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA11089 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 03:56:42 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 03:55:06 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: help! Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >For some reason my poxy browser won't load the ruleset in its entirety - >either version. In the text version, it gets stuck in 0.9.2, and in hte HTML >version, it gets stuck halfway through Carol Vorderman. This is most >annoying and means I am scuppered in most current games. I can't see >anything in my browser about not loading files above a certain size (I >expect it's yet another aspect the bastards upstairs have 'customized'). I've been having exactly the same problem, even to where it gets stuck... although today I noticed it seemed to be fixed. Did you just start getting this today? Maybe I passed the curse onto you, or something. Sorry. --Riff From David Kenning Fri Dec 4 10:21:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8224 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Dec 1998 18:21:32 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 1998 18:21:32 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03697 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:18:11 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA03687 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:17:56 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA09582; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:25:44 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: help! Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:30:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I've been having exactly the same problem, even to where it gets stuck... >although today I noticed it seemed to be fixed. Did you just start getting >this today? Maybe I passed the curse onto you, or something. I don't know, but I managed to solve the problem by purging my cache and setting the browser options to 'read it off the web every time' (rather than 'once per session' or something daft like that, as it previously was). dave From Kevan Davis Fri Dec 4 11:21:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6914 invoked by uid 7770); 4 Dec 1998 19:21:43 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 1998 19:21:43 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA06749 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:20:09 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06738 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:19:49 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p57.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.57]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA28965 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 19:19:37 GMT Message-Id: <199812041919.TAA28965@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 19:13:17 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Tithing (from the Cryer Lounge) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) This was something that cropped up in the Cryer Lounge's Vanilla game; since it's of consequence to all Players (and since I have to cut and paste certain stuff into a new message to stop Eudora being hopeless at me anyway), I thought I'd drag it back to the main list. >> Kevan : [LV+3] [Purchasing Zone 2 Pass] Shepherd's Bush (HC via CN) >> [Tithe 6] > >*applauds* > >Oh, well played sir! Particularly the cunning token placement... perhaps >an amendment is in order to prevent token placement in Tithed zones? My Play had, of course, involved putting the Blue Tokens paid for the Tithe Action into a couple of Zone 6 Stacks, so that I'd be able reclaim them (through the Tithe itself) next Turn. Perhaps worth amending, or not? I'm not sure, really. I'd always seen Tithing as being quite a weak strategy, particularly since it's quite easy for Players to avoid the full clutch of its clutches (I presume Dunx knows the means I refer to, here). It just struck me today that I could Tithe back the Tokens I paid performing the Action, if I put them in the right place (and if nobody stole them before my next Turn), and I think this might be enough to make the Action worth using (to my knowledge, this is the first time it has been). I fear it's possibly open to abuse - my original (Buzzed) Move had me making a merciless Hat-Knock because I knew I could get the Token back by placing it in Zone 6; prior to that, I'd considered a "free" Token Cascade, but couldn't quite pull it off. However there's not *much* you can do with it, as far as I can see - being able to perform Actions for free is only helpful if the Actions are of some use to your situation, and you'd be lucky to find any that were. [shrugs a bit] I think it's probably just a case of seeing how things pan out, before deciding whether this needs fixing or not. I was mildly amused to note the parallels between this approach to Tithing and the new "Untap X lands when this resolves" spells in Magic: The Gathering (if anyone has any idea what I'm talking about), which let you regain the resources used to perform the thing, provided it works. My only possible suggestion would be to include some sort of risk to Tithing; as it stands, one is only really scuppered if another Player manages to run around and pick up all the Tokens you scattered. A condition about only getting the Tithe if you remain motionless until your next Turn may balance it a little. Otherwise I can see problems with, once people have a few Blues to spare, a 20-minute Action that makes the rest of your Actions free. Good to see this sort of thing happening, anyway. "Aha, if I use this rule like *this* and this one like *this*, I get quite an advantage" is pretty much the point of games like this, and I think the above situation is an excellent piece of proof, if proof were needed, that we've got a particularly fine set of rules going. Lower-case kudos all round. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "There's people who can't spell 'weird' right, driving round with thousands in the bank." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "Turned up Clocked on Laid off" From Sun Dec 6 15:04:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Subject: MN: RE: Tithing (from the Cryer Lounge) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:02:20 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On Saturday, December 05, 1998 5:13 AM, Kevan Davis [SMTP:kdavis@i...] wrote: > My Play had, of course, involved putting the Blue Tokens paid for > the Tithe Action into a couple of Zone 6 Stacks, so that I'd be > able reclaim them (through the Tithe itself) next Turn. I think the only real amendment one needs to make to this is to make the cost of the Tithe action vapourise. I can't see why you shouldn't be able to stack tokens up in a selected zone and then Tithe them away again (of course, someone can spot this strategy and tithe them beforehand...) but the cost of the Tithe action shouldn't be reclaimed, that's all. > Good to see this sort of thing happening, anyway. "Aha, if I > use this rule like *this* and this one like *this*, I get quite > an advantage" is pretty much the point of games like this, and > I think the above situation is an excellent piece of proof, if > proof were needed, that we've got a particularly fine set of > rules going. Lower-case kudos all round. I think the other thing to note here is that we're all used to the various tricks and traps of 'real' MC (who here would find themselves cornered on the Jubilee by a simple Neasden Lock these days? It's 'the oldest trick in the book'...). What we're having to do in MorNomic is learn the correct application for all those tricks again. Realising how the Tithe rules are used is just like working out how to do a Straddle to MC. Everyone picks it up sooner or later. 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From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: RE: Tithing (from the Cryer Lounge) In-Reply-To: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428DDD@PIBCRMEXH001> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I think the only real amendment one needs to make to this is to make the >cost of the Tithe action vapourise. I can't see why you shouldn't be able >to stack tokens up in a selected zone and then Tithe them away again (of >course, someone can spot this strategy and tithe them beforehand...) but the >cost of the Tithe action shouldn't be reclaimed, that's all. I don't know - as I say, for a long time I dismissed the Tithe action as useless, because I'd rarely ever want to spend Blue Tokens just to get a few other-coloured ones. It's very easy for Players to avoid the effects of a Tithe, and the only *real* use for such an Action is to gather back Golds that may have expended for Spooning. But even that's quite weak, if such Golds end up in Zone 2. Musing further upon potential fixing, I think a "[Tithe Collection]" capping Action might be a good way of doing it - you pay *7-x* Blues (rather than 8-x) to play the "[Tithe X]" Action, then pay another Blue next Round to perform a "[Tithe Collection]" and claim the Tokens. It'd discourage continual Tithing, and also provide a means of sabotage - if someone can get the game in Knip, steal your Blue Tokens, or whatever, you won't be able to collect the Tithe reward during your next Turn. >Realising how the Tithe rules are >used is just like working out how to do a Straddle to MC. Everyone picks it >up sooner or later. True enough, but then it's only a matter of time before everyone picks up the easy way to avoid or sabotage a Tithe. We're lucky in that we can fix "broken" rules on the fly (rather than descending into the horrible imbroglio of cards-that-should-be-banned that Magic: The Gathering tends to keep falling into), but we shouldn't be too quick to do so. Although I'm not sure whether it's good or bad to have a collection of mediocre-looking rules that can be powerfully abused, but that can also be powerfully sabotaged, really. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "The management regret to announce that due to budgetary constraints the light at the end of the tunnel has been switched off." -- Anon. From Kevan Davis Tue Dec 8 05:07:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emergency Proposal 028 - Restricted Landing [Amendment] Amend Rule 2.2.3 to read thus: "Each Player starts the Game with a Pass for the Zone containing eir Home Station: this may not be Zone 1. If the nominated Home Stations is on a Zone Boundary, the Player must choose one Zone for which a Pass may be held." { Comment: PaulWay's Home Station in Game 14 is Turnham Green, which is on a Zone Boundary. } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raised by Dunx, 08/12/98 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Kevan Davis Tue Dec 8 05:07:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20789 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Dec 1998 13:07:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 1998 13:07:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05835 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:06:36 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05829 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:06:31 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p14.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.14]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA27445 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:06:26 GMT Message-Id: <199812081306.NAA27445@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:05:17 +0000 To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 33: Voting Results for Week 32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 552 Random Factor 4 1 1 1 Passes [a] 553 The Hills are Dead 5 1 - 1 Passes 554 Carelessness Begins At Home 5 1 - 1 Passes 555 Current Account 3 1 2 1 Passes 556 For Home The Bell Tolls 3 1 2 1 Passes 557 Authorized Personnel Only 2 1 3 1 Fails 558 San Francisco 1849 4 1 1 1 Passes 559 A-Farkling We Will Go 3 1 2 1 Passes [b] 560 Pegs Tie 5 1 - 1 Passes 561 The Freem Clamp 3 1 2 1 Passes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] I think I'll just put "Passes" or "Fails" from hereon in, rather than listing the rules which were amended or enacted - I'm not sure anyone ever found such explanation useful anyway. [b] I took the liberty of taking the "+1 Gr +1 Br +1 Bk/Bu" cost of the Action, since it's not a cost, and Token bonuses are typically listed (as, indeed, they are for Farkling) in the rule itself. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul Riff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 552 (Kevan) FOR FOR AGA - - PAS - FOR FOR 553 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS - FOR FOR 554 (Kevan) FOR FOR FOR - - PAS - FOR FOR 555 (Dunx) FOR PAS AGA - - AGA - FOR FOR 556 (RiffRaff) AGA FOR FOR - - AGA - FOR PAS 557 (RiffRaff) FOR AGA AGA - - AGA - FOR PAS 558 (Dunx) FOR PAS FOR - - AGA - FOR FOR 559 (RiffRaff) FOR AGA FOR - - AGA - FOR PAS 560 (Dunx) FOR PAS FOR - - FOR - FOR FOR 561 (PaulWay) AGA FOR FOR - - FOR - PAS AGA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul Riff - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 2 6 2 4 0 18 16 6 0 Halved: 1 3 1 2 9 3 0 --------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +12 +0 +0 +14 +3 +8 AGA Votes: -0 -3 -0 -0 I -1 I -2 -7 Decisiveness: +3 +3 +3 +0 n +3 n +3 +3 Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 -0 a -0 a -0 -0 c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 t +0 t +0 +0 EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 i -0 i -0 -0 Finger/Pulse: +0 +0 +0 +0 v +0 v +0 +0 e e Award Ceremony: +0 +3 +0 +0 +3 +2 +7 [a] --------------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +3 +15 +3 +0 +19 +6 +11 Final Kudos: 4 18 4 2 0 28 16 9 11 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul Riff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - RiffRaff (For Home The Bell Tolls) CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - RiffRaff (A-Farkling We Will Go) Clever Bear Award - Dunx (for the Game 11 tax evasion) Down Underground Award - +2 (I think) For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Dec 8 05:08:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Week Thirty-Three -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 562 - Tithey Slove [Multiple] 1. Diminishing Returns [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.7.31 (Tithe) to:- A Player may Tithe a particular Zone by playing the Action "[Tithe ]" where "" is a London Underground Zone. This marks that Zone as being Tithed until the end of the Actioning Player's next Turn. If a Player performed a "[Tithe ]" Action during eir previous Turn, e may perform the "[Collecting Tithe]" Action to reap its benefits; upon performing this Action, the Actioning Player is permitted to gather a Tithe of a single Token from each Token bearing entity currently within the Zone which e Tithed last Turn. Token bearing entities are Player Pieces and Token Stacks. The Tithe for a Player Piece is a Token of the Actioning Player's choice. The Tithe for a Token Stack is its topmost Token. 2. Tax Fiddle [Amendment] Amend the "[Tithe ]" Action so that it costs "7-Zone" Blue Tokens, and add a new Action:- [Collecting Tithe] 1.7.31 1 Bu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 563 - Calling Off the Subs in a Louder Voice [Multiple] { Comments : A reproposal of something from Week 11; the idea of removing the concept of Move Substitution Actions. Since there are only four of them, three of them workable as Wild-style pre-Moves and the other as a post-Move "only after a Pass" thing (which is actually how Rule 1.7.9 is worded anyway), there seems little reason to keep the Action type. This is just a rewording of the old Proposal, tidied in places and amended to reflect any changes in the ruleset since its conception. Last time there was some minor scuffle about the horrors of being able to perform a Wild-style pre-Move Action and then not use it to Move - although still unsure how much of an issue this is, it's been addressed in the new section eight of this proposal. } 1. Number Thirteen, Your Time Is Up [Amendment] In Rule 1.7.1 (Action Types), remove the "Move Substitution Actions" list element. 2. Crooked Strile [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.7.12 (Basic Striles) to:- If a Player's Line Velocity is six or more, e may perform a Strile via the pre-Move Action of "[Striling]". Upon performing this Action, all Strilable Stations become Valid Moves for the remainder of the Actioning Player's Turn. A Station is said to be Strilable if it has a Token Stack, and if that Token Stack is identical to the Stack at the Player's current Piece location. { Comments: Oddly enough, the bit about not adding Tokens to a Stack in the Turn which you Strile away from it is superfluous, since you can only drop Tokens in the post-Move Phase. } 3. Stubble [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.4.3 (Stubbery) to read:- If a Player owns the Ticket Stub for the Station eir Piece is situated at, e may perform the pre-Move Action "[Stub Link]" - all Stations which e has Ticket Stubs for are considered Valid Moves for the remainder of eir Turn. 4. Walk / Don't Walk Away From Me [Amendment] Reword Rule 1.7.10 (Walk the Walk) to read:- A Player may perform the Action of "[Walking]". If this Action has been performed, the Actioning Player's LV becomes zero (and may not be adjusted for the remainder of eir Turn), all Stations within Walking Distance of the Player's Location become Valid Moves for the remainder of the Turn. Two Stations are within Walking Distance if they are adjacent to each other on the Map. In addition, the following Stations are within Walking Distance of each other:- * Wimbledon (DS) and South Wimbledon (NT) * Ruislip (MP) and West Ruislip (CN) * Sudbury Town (PD) and Wembley Central (BL) * Northwick Park (MP) and Kenton (BL) 5. Paperwork [Amendment] Add "Striling" with a pointer to Rule 1.7.12, "Stubbery" with a pointer to 1.4.3, and "Walking" to Rule 1.7.10, to the list of things with affect Move Validity (all Special Moves), in Rule 1.5.0. 6. More Paperwork [Amendment] In Rule 1.7.3 (Move Substitution Actions), move "Striling", "Stub Link" and "Walking" to the list of pre-Move Actions (reducing their durations by ten minutes, since they're now made *as well* as a Move, rather than in place of one), and "Visiting " to the post-Move Actions list. 7. Dive, Dive, Dive [Repeal] Repeal Rule 1.7.3 (Move Substitution Actions). 8. Mana Burn [Amendment] To the Valid Move list in Rule 1.5.0 (Valid Moves), add the following section:- 7. Unused Actions * If the Actioning Player performed a pre-Move Action to make a particular type of Move Valid, and did not play such a Move, eir Move becomes Invalid. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 564 - Mornington Croissant [Special Ruleset] { Comments : I forget whether ISIHAC's Mornington Croissant was food-related or played in French, but I've opted for the former - this Special Ruleset merely imposes the amusing restriction that all Moves and Station references should be food puns. I occasionally used to whine at the York Server that I had to pass in a themed game because there weren't any relevant puns that were also valid Moves - it should be interesting to see how this turns out. A French version of Mornington Crescent strikes me as equally intriguing (having passed bits of the ruleset through Altavistas's translation thing, there are some quite nice words suggested for our basic Action lexicon) - if we try this and it doesn't really work, I might make Mornington Croissant into that instead. } 1. Paranomasia [Enactment] Whenever the name of a Station is mentioned in a Play in a Mornington Croissant Game, it should include a food-related pun, such that both a unique Station name and a food reference are sufficiently clear. If this criteria is not met, that Turn is Illegal. For the purposes of all rules other than this one, a punned Station name shall be treated as if it were the actual Station name; Players are free to make different puns for the same Stations. An example Play would be:- Cryer : [LV+2] Angel Cake (NT) [Shunting Rushton to Hampstead Sandwich] [Striling to Mornington Croissant] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 565 - The Narg Clamp [Multiple] Enactment: The Narg Clamp explained A Player may perform the Action of "[Narging ]", where is a Player with a Piece adjacent to the Actioning Player's Piece position. A Narged Player gains a "Narg Clamp" Possession. Narg Clamps are Indestructable Possessions. If a Player is carrying a Narg Clamp, e may only move horizontally or vertically. E cannot move on a Line Segment which is not completely horizontal or vertical. E may not move to or through Mornington Crescent, and may not play any actions which require the expenditure of a blue token. A Player may destroy a single Narg Clamp which they are carrying, by performing the Action of "[Anti-Narg]" whilst at Tottenham Court Road. {Sorry, just borrowing more things from MC at York. Wilding is an acceptable way of escaping any completely diagonal line segments.} Enactment: The Narg Clamp Actions [Narging ] 20mins 1 Red, 1 Bronze, 1 Blue [Anti-Narg] 10mins 1 Black -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 566 - The Tollpuddle Martyrs [amendment] Change the cost of the "[Toll to ]" action to 2 Bronze tokens. {seems much fairer to me, and gives more incentive to actually pass through other players' home stations, as well as putting a stop to the tactic of crippling a player by shutting them off down a dead end with your choice of home station} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 567 - Wild Card [action] Action: Wild Card Type: Post Move Duration: 10 mins Cost: 4 Blue A Player may play the post-move action 'Wild Card' to reverse the current order of play. Playing order remains reversed until the Wild Card action is played again (whether by the same or a different player). {an idea swiped from Uno} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 568 - Jump Jump [action] Action: Jump Type: Post Move Duration: 30 mins Cost: 4 Red A Player may play the post-move action "Jumping " , where is the name of the player whose turn it would normally be next. The named player's turn is skipped and it becomes the turn of the subsequent player, as if the named player had been inactive. {another idea nicked from Uno} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 569 - Aviaries (Regulation) Bill [Amendment] Amend Rule 1.4.25 (Release the Pigeons!) by inserting the following text after paragraph 1: "No Player may carry more than four Pigeons at any one time. If this limit is exceeded at the end of that Player's Turn, then the number of Pigeons carried shall be reduced accordingly. "In addition, if no Pigeons have actually been caught that Turn, and more than two Pigeons are held by the Player, then a single Pigeon escapes the Player's grasp and the number of Pigeons held is reduced by one." { Comment: Obviously inspired by Kevan's avian avarice in Game 11, but mainly intended to limit a perhaps over-powerful feature. The four pigeons come from having one in each coat pocket and one in each hand. The two which can easily be carried are considered to be in pockets (I don't think pigeons are going to be happy carried in hands for long). I was seriously considering the Player losing a Papery possession each Turn as well from Pigeon damage (perhaps even one per Pigeon?) but thought that might be a bit much. } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tue Dec 8 08:31:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2289 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Dec 1998 16:31:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 1998 16:31:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA16849 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:30:13 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16846 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:30:08 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA11200 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:30:06 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 8 Dec 1998 16:30:06 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA21618; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:30:03 GMT Message-Id: <199812081630.QAA21618@uks447> Date: 08 Dec 98 14:54:32 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 33: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 08-Dec-98 13:06 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Week 33's Proposals included: >Proposal 562 - Tithey Slove [Multiple] That seems a little cleaner. >Proposal 563 - Calling Off the Subs in a Louder Voice [Multiple] I don't have a problem with this, except for... >4. Walk / Don't Walk Away From Me [Amendment] > >Reword Rule 1.7.10 (Walk the Walk) to read:- > > A Player may perform the Action of "[Walking]". If this Action has been > performed, the Actioning Player's LV becomes zero (and may not be > adjusted for the remainder of eir Turn), all Stations within Walking > Distance of the Player's Location become Valid Moves for the remainder > of the Turn. > > Two Stations are within Walking Distance if they are adjacent to each > other on the Map. In addition, the following Stations are within Walking > > Distance of each other:- > > * Wimbledon (DS) and South Wimbledon (NT) > * Ruislip (MP) and West Ruislip (CN) > * Sudbury Town (PD) and Wembley Central (BL) > * Northwick Park (MP) and Kenton (BL) This seems to be a subtle attempt to alter the meaning of Walking because it omits the first condition from the current form of 1.7.10: " * To travel between two Stations of the same name on different lines which are not co-located on the map (eg between Waterloo Interchange and Waterloo (JL), or between Turnham Green (PD) and Turnham Green (DS))" Since this condition was the original purpose of introducing Walking, it seems unnecessarily sly to rework the meaning of the Rule under the cloak of something else more desirable. (I seem to remember making this point before...) This ruse (if that's what it is) irritates me rather since I think the rest of the Proposal is fine and worthy but breaking Walking like this forces me to vote against the whole package. >Proposal 564 - Mornington Croissant [Special Ruleset] Very amusing... worth a go, anyway. >Proposal 565 - The Narg Clamp [Multiple] Nasty, nasty, nasty... and not terribly expensive, either. It would encourage people to Straddle and Wild, though. >Proposal 566 - The Tollpuddle Martyrs [amendment] > >Change the cost of the "[Toll to ]" action to 2 Bronze tokens. A good thing. The original toll was 'a Silver or Gold', so there has been a degree of inflation. over the years. >Proposal 567 - Wild Card [action] >Proposal 568 - Jump Jump [action] I'd be happer with these if the turnaround on individual turns was quicker. Still, could be amusing. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Dec 8 15:43:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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(RiffRaff) Wed Dec 9 00:42:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19462 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Dec 1998 08:41:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 08:41:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA04213 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:41:26 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04209 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:41:22 GMT Received: from [208.169.218.46] (cvl218046.columbus.rr.com [208.169.218.46]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA21379 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:44:55 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:43:17 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: Emergency Proposal 028 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Emergency Proposal 028 - Restricted Landing [Amendment] For. --Riff From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Wed Dec 9 01:14:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28289 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Dec 1998 09:14:29 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 09:14:29 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA05825 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:13:08 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05821 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:13:03 GMT Received: from [208.169.218.46] (cvl218046.columbus.rr.com [208.169.218.46]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA23220 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 04:16:37 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 04:14:58 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 33: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Proposal 562 - Tithey Slove [Multiple] > >1. Diminishing Returns [Amendment] > >Reword Rule 1.7.31 (Tithe) to:- > > A Player may Tithe a particular Zone by playing the Action "[Tithe > ]" where "" is a London Underground Zone. This marks that > Zone as being Tithed until the end of the Actioning Player's next Turn. > > If a Player performed a "[Tithe ]" Action during eir previous > Turn, e may perform the "[Collecting Tithe]" Action to reap its > benefits; upon performing this Action, the Actioning Player is permitted > to gather a Tithe of a single Token from each Token bearing entity > currently within the Zone which e Tithed last Turn. > > Token bearing entities are Player Pieces and Token Stacks. The Tithe for > a Player Piece is a Token of the Actioning Player's choice. The Tithe > for a Token Stack is its topmost Token. > >2. Tax Fiddle [Amendment] > >Amend the "[Tithe ]" Action so that it costs "7-Zone" Blue Tokens, >and add a new Action:- > > [Collecting Tithe] 1.7.31 1 Bu This doesn't seem to actually *fix* it, IMO. You can still put all the tokens spent in the Tithe action in the zone you're tithing, and get them all back. (Except for the one spent collecting.) How about a specification that either the tokens spent on the action aren't placed in stacks, or that you can't put them in stacks in the targetted zone. Or, even better, how about a restriction that, when collecting the Tithe, you can't take the only remaining token in a token stack (or carried by a player)... by the RL definition of tithing, you wouldn't give up your last token anyway. --Riff From Kevan Davis Wed Dec 9 04:35:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23005 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Dec 1998 12:35:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 12:35:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18326 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:32:32 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18323 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:32:28 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p10.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.10]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA06628 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:32:24 GMT Message-Id: <199812091232.MAA06628@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:27:27 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 33: Proposals In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Proposal 562 - Tithey Slove [Multiple] > >This doesn't seem to actually *fix* it, IMO. You can still put all the >tokens spent in the Tithe action in the zone you're tithing, and get them >all back. (Except for the one spent collecting.) Well, yes, but the point is that [a] there's a net loss of one Blue Token, and [b] if another player can stop you from performing the final Collection Action, you'll have wasted the cost of the Tithe (and of any other cheeky "free Actions" that may have been attempted). >Or, even better, how about a restriction that, when collecting the Tithe, >you can't take the only remaining token in a token stack (or carried by a >player)... by the RL definition of tithing, you wouldn't give up your last >token anyway. Not a bad idea, I suppose. Although this does highlight a fairly easy way for other players to sabotage a "free" Tithe - just toss a few Reds or Blacks on top of the discarded Blues... Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded." -- Terry Pratchett, "Lords and Ladies" From Wed Dec 9 04:54:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28677 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Dec 1998 12:53:55 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 12:53:55 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19077 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:47:49 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19073 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:47:38 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA21668 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:47:27 GMT Received: from uksn43.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 12:47:27 UT Received: by uksn43 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA19633; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:47:24 GMT Message-Id: <199812091247.MAA19633@uksn43> Date: 09 Dec 98 12:43:29 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 33: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UNX8.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 09-Dec-98 11:27 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id MAA19075 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Or, even better, how about a restriction that, when collecting the Tithe, >>you can't take the only remaining token in a token stack (or carried by a >>player)... by the RL definition of tithing, you wouldn't give up your last >>token anyway. >Not a bad idea, I suppose. Although this does highlight a fairly easy way >for other players to sabotage a "free" Tithe - just toss a few Reds or >Blacks on top of the discarded Blues... Indeed. This was one of the options I was considering to spoil your own free Tithe - however, I was more interested in saving my own skin, and leaving a Silver on one of the Stacks you were going to collect on did not appeal (apart from being illegal anyway, of course). -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From David Kenning Wed Dec 9 05:08:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 761 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Dec 1998 13:08:00 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 13:08:00 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19386 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:55:27 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19373 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:55:20 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA23105; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:03:26 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Year 2, Week 33: Proposals Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:50:30 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > >Proposal 567 - Wild Card [action] > > Interesting, but surely this should be "Reverse"? > Er, yes, probably. > (maybe > reversing the Token Table for the duration would be easiest > That sounds a sensible suggestion. Perhaps this needs some tweaking. > it's looking to be a > fiendishly, fiendishly playable game. Expect a Web page about it later > this week, with a downloadable Word file of the cards. > I look forward to it - yet another thing to take my mind off what I should be doing. > Interesting. I fear it'll make for some very easy Crescent denials, though > - > aside from Ruttsborough discounts, I can easily imagine Players > (particularly > Team-mates) conspiring to deny the near-Winner eir Win. Since it's fairly > easy to get four Reds together each round, it troubles me how simple it'd > be > to lock certain players out of the game entirely. > I wonder if it really is all that easy to get enough reds to use this action all that often (bearing in mind other demands on red tokens). I don't know. I'll have to have a closer look. dave From Wed Dec 9 05:29:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 8008 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Dec 1998 13:29:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 13:29:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19598 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:58:00 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19594 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:57:47 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA22686 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:57:38 GMT Received: from uksn43.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 12:57:38 UT Received: by uksn43 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA22707; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:57:35 GMT Message-Id: <199812091257.MAA22707@uksn43> Date: 09 Dec 98 12:53:20 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 33: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UNX8.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 09-Dec-98 12:29 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id MAA19596 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Proposal 563 - Calling Off the Subs in a Louder Voice [Multiple] >> >>This seems to be a subtle attempt to alter the meaning of Walking because it >>omits the first condition from the current form of 1.7.10: >>" * To travel between two Stations of the same name on different lines >> which are not co-located on the map (eg between Waterloo Interchange >> and Waterloo (JL), or between Turnham Green (PD) and Turnham Green >> (DS))" >>Since this condition was the original purpose of introducing Walking, it >seems unnecessarily sly to rework the meaning of the Rule under the cloak >>>of something else more desirable. >>(I seem to remember making this point before...) >Oh. Tsk. You're absolutely right, yes - I meant to take a closer look at >this before sending off the Proposal, but evidently forgot about it. Fair enough - I rather went off the deep end there, making accusations of slyness and insidious evil, for which I apologise. >Taking a closer look at it in daylight, though, I'm curious as to why >you're so keen to keep such walk-routes - is there really any benefit >to walking from Turnham Green (PD) to Turnham Green (DS)? If one line's >been Power-Failed then you can prepare to escape along the other, this >is true, but Power-Failures only last one Round anyway, so you'd be >free to move off via the District next Turn. I suppose the main one I'm interested in is the transfer from Shepherd's Bush (CN) to Shepherd's Bush (HC) which isn't allowed otherwise and saves a six station trip. Granted that this transfer hasn't been used, but I don't think the provision does any harm. Unless you really believe it clogs up the ruleset to an unacceptable degree, I'd rather keep it. >Incidentally, I was up until about 1am last night playing that Uno/Bartok >version of Mornington Crescent against (some may remember him from his >fleeting York Server appearances) Sandy - having ironed out a few problems >and established a reasonable starting ruleset, it's looking to be a >fiendishly, fiendishly playable game. Expect a Web page about it later >this week, with a downloadable Word file of the cards. Ooh, that sounds rather splendid! Just in time for Xmas, eh? (I can think of several family members who might be interested) -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Kevan Davis Wed Dec 9 06:28:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30243 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Dec 1998 14:27:51 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 14:27:51 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18341 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:33:13 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18337 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:33:09 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p10.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.10]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA06668 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:32:44 GMT Message-Id: <199812091232.MAA06668@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:29:13 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 33: Proposals In-Reply-To: <199812081307.NAA27518@c...> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Proposal 563 - Calling Off the Subs in a Louder Voice [Multiple] > >This seems to be a subtle attempt to alter the meaning of Walking because it >omits the first condition from the current form of 1.7.10: >" * To travel between two Stations of the same name on different lines > which are not co-located on the map (eg between Waterloo Interchange > and Waterloo (JL), or between Turnham Green (PD) and Turnham Green > (DS))" >Since this condition was the original purpose of introducing Walking, it >seems unnecessarily sly to rework the meaning of the Rule under the cloak >of something else more desirable. >(I seem to remember making this point before...) Oh. Tsk. You're absolutely right, yes - I meant to take a closer look at this before sending off the Proposal, but evidently forgot about it. Taking a closer look at it in daylight, though, I'm curious as to why you're so keen to keep such walk-routes - is there really any benefit to walking from Turnham Green (PD) to Turnham Green (DS)? If one line's been Power-Failed then you can prepare to escape along the other, this is true, but Power-Failures only last one Round anyway, so you'd be free to move off via the District next Turn. Sorry to have overlooked it, anyway - if I'd realised I'd have left it as it was and proposed a change next week, rather than foolishly jeopardising a clean-up Proposal with an irrelevant amendment. If this Proposal passes, and unless you say "Oh, okay, we can lose that bit about walking around co-locateds", I'll repair Walking next week. >Proposal 565 - The Narg Clamp [Multiple] > >{Sorry, just borrowing more things from MC at York. Wilding is an >acceptable way of escaping any completely diagonal line segments.} It's not, actually, since it still counts as a Move. I suppose it's probably fairly safe to rely on the loopholes of the Actions which Move your Piece without checking for Blocked Stations and the rest, but even so this strikes me as a bit overpowerful for its cost. Unless you're Narged on one of the two bits of line running horizontally and vertically from Tottenham Court Road, it makes life rather too difficult. >Proposal 566 - The Tollpuddle Martyrs [amendment] > >Change the cost of the "[Toll to ]" action to 2 Bronze tokens. > >{seems much fairer to me, and gives more incentive to actually pass through >other players' home stations, as well as putting a stop to the tactic of >crippling a player by shutting them off down a dead end with your choice of >home station} This makes Home Stations far too weak, for me - in particular the Hoarding Action, which becomes laughable when anyone can wander in and help emselves for two Bronzes. Maybe a reduced toll for passing through, but I happen to *like* the lobster-potting, even if there's very little hope of it ever actually working, with Charge Tunnelling, Stupid Compass Tricks, Terminus Slingshotting and everything else. >Proposal 567 - Wild Card [action] > >A Player may play the post-move action 'Wild Card' to reverse the current >order of play. Playing order remains reversed until the Wild Card action is >played again (whether by the same or a different player). > >{an idea swiped from Uno} Interesting, but surely this should be "Reverse"? Either way, it should be a decent addition, provided we can keep track of things alright (maybe reversing the Token Table for the duration would be easiest, since I always just glance at that and compare it to the message sender, to see if it's my go). Incidentally, I was up until about 1am last night playing that Uno/Bartok version of Mornington Crescent against (some may remember him from his fleeting York Server appearances) Sandy - having ironed out a few problems and established a reasonable starting ruleset, it's looking to be a fiendishly, fiendishly playable game. Expect a Web page about it later this week, with a downloadable Word file of the cards. >Proposal 568 - Jump Jump [action] > >Action: Jump >Type: Post Move >Duration: 30 mins >Cost: 4 Red > >A Player may play the post-move action "Jumping " , where >is the name of the player whose turn it would normally be next. The named >player's turn is skipped and it becomes the turn of the subsequent player, >as if the named player had been inactive. Interesting. I fear it'll make for some very easy Crescent denials, though - aside from Ruttsborough discounts, I can easily imagine Players (particularly Team-mates) conspiring to deny the near-Winner eir Win. Since it's fairly easy to get four Reds together each round, it troubles me how simple it'd be to lock certain players out of the game entirely. >Proposal 569 - Aviaries (Regulation) Bill [Amendment] > >"In addition, if no Pigeons have actually been caught that Turn, and more >than two Pigeons are held by the Player, then a single Pigeon escapes the >Player's grasp and the number of Pigeons held is reduced by one." Hmm. I'm not sure I entirely approve - this just encourages players to sit at Charing Cross and wait until they can suddenly Wild or Home to a suitable Park station. The main Pigeon weakness was the fact that they all fly away if you're Shunted - perhaps a Parcelesque "no non-standard moves if you're carrying Pigeons" approach would suit the problem better. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I was skimming stones, I killed a swan." -- My Life Story, "Welcome to my Archipelago" From Kevan Davis Wed Dec 9 11:43:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28486 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Dec 1998 19:43:16 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 19:43:16 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA08043 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:40:46 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08031 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:40:35 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p59.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.59]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA21023 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:40:14 GMT Message-Id: X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 15:33:22 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 33: Proposals In-Reply-To: <199812091257.MAA22707@uksn43> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Fair enough - I rather went off the deep end there, making accusations of >slyness and insidious evil, for which I apologise. No problem. Dramatic finger-pointing tends to make people look and think more than tentative whispering, and so long as it's not continued for months afterward, in spite of defence, I'd expect no apology. >I suppose the main one I'm interested in is the transfer from Shepherd's >Bush (CN) to Shepherd's Bush (HC) which isn't allowed otherwise and saves >a six station trip. Oh. I thought it was allowed, but reading the definition of co-situated, I see that Shepherd's Bush, er, isn't a co-situated Station after all. Tsk. And nobody's ever buzzed me for going through it as if it was, either. >Granted that this transfer hasn't been used, but I >don't think the provision does any harm. Unless you really believe it clogs >up the ruleset to an unacceptable degree, I'd rather keep it. I suppose it's worth keeping, then - although unused, it's not too complicated to understand, and isn't taking up an unacceptable amount of space in the ruleset. (That Charge table, on the other hand...) I'll put a page of Venbacker numbers up later this evening, by the way, as well as updating the Web page. We would like to apologise for the delay. >>Incidentally, I was up until about 1am last night playing that Uno/Bartok >>version of Mornington Crescent against (some may remember him from his >>fleeting York Server appearances) Sandy - having ironed out a few problems >>and established a reasonable starting ruleset, it's looking to be a >>fiendishly, fiendishly playable game. Expect a Web page about it later >>this week, with a downloadable Word file of the cards. > >Ooh, that sounds rather splendid! Just in time for Xmas, eh? (I can think of >several family members who might be interested) What an ominous thought. Yes, I suppose it's feasible, although you'd have to put the cards together yourself - I've just been playing by slipping paper cut-outs into plastic-sleeve "deck-protectors", with a Magic card behind to give a uniform backing and a bit of sturdiness. I'm not sure how best to go about anything more professional... Still. I just need to tweak a few Stations, tidy the look of the cards a bit, and perhaps add a little copyright blurb to each, if I'm going to end up giving them to people. Hmm. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Red-green colour blindness can be cheaply and easily cured using a pair of cardboard 3D-glasses." -- Dave's Web of Lies (http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~hancockd/lies.htm) From duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) Wed Dec 9 14:00:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18067 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Dec 1998 22:00:17 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 22:00:17 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15393 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:59:15 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15390 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:59:10 GMT Received: from [158.152.31.180] (helo=lazarus.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0znrdU-0004Os-00 for l-nomic@f...; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:59:08 +0000 From: duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 33: Proposals Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 21:55:23 GMT Message-ID: <366ff075.1093882@p...> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id VAA15391 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Kevan wrote: >>I suppose the main one I'm interested in is the transfer from Shepherd's >>Bush (CN) to Shepherd's Bush (HC) which isn't allowed otherwise and saves >>a six station trip. > >Oh. I thought it was allowed, but reading the definition of co-situated, >I see that Shepherd's Bush, er, isn't a co-situated Station after all. >Tsk. And nobody's ever buzzed me for going through it as if it was, >either. Oh - how very careless of us! I honestly hadn't noticed - I suppose I've been too busy watching out for token infractions and charge iffiness. Just goes to show, though. >>>Expect a Web page about it later >>>this week, with a downloadable Word file of the cards. >> >>Ooh, that sounds rather splendid! Just in time for Xmas, eh? (I can think of >>several family members who might be interested) >What an ominous thought. The parties involved may well think that, also. >Yes, I suppose it's feasible, although you'd >have to put the cards together yourself - I've just been playing by >slipping paper cut-outs into plastic-sleeve "deck-protectors", with a >Magic card behind to give a uniform backing and a bit of sturdiness. >I'm not sure how best to go about anything more professional... I've not come across those... I was thinking of regular bits of card with the card faces stuck on. Finding a guillotine of some kind is probably essential, or some obsoete business cards. I knew I'd regret chucking those old ones from two companies ago... Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From Kevan Davis Wed Dec 9 14:50:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4501 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Dec 1998 22:50:33 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 22:50:33 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA18100 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:48:41 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18091 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:48:30 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p39.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.39]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA06735 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:48:19 GMT Message-Id: <199812092248.WAA06735@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 22:37:56 +0000 To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Emergency Proposal 028 - Passes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emergency Proposal 028 - Restricted Landing [Amendment] Amend Rule 2.2.3 to read thus: "Each Player starts the Game with a Pass for the Zone containing eir Home Station: this may not be Zone 1. If the nominated Home Stations is on a Zone Boundary, the Player must choose one Zone for which a Pass may be held." { Comment: PaulWay's Home Station in Game 14 is Turnham Green, which is on a Zone Boundary. } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raised by Dunx, 08/12/98 RiffRaff, PaulWay and Kevan voted FOR - it passed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Kevan Davis Wed Dec 9 14:51:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4616 invoked by uid 7770); 9 Dec 1998 22:50:47 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 22:50:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA18102 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:48:44 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18089 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:48:28 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p39.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.39]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA06725 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:48:13 GMT Message-Id: X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 22:33:26 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Mornington Card Games In-Reply-To: <366ff075.1093882@p...> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Yes, I suppose it's feasible, although you'd >>have to put the cards together yourself - I've just been playing by >>slipping paper cut-outs into plastic-sleeve "deck-protectors", with a >>Magic card behind to give a uniform backing and a bit of sturdiness. >>I'm not sure how best to go about anything more professional... > >I've not come across those... They're quite good, really, and about four quid for a box of eighty, from your local sci-fi-rubbish shop. It might be feasible, if I did get around to informally distributing the game, to use these, slipping a "front" and a "back" and a bit of cardboard to sturdy it ("45 pathetic Magic commons free with every game!"). Cheaper than lamination, probably. >I was thinking of regular bits of card with the >card faces stuck on. Finding a guillotine of some kind is probably essential, or >some obsoete business cards. Maybe, but I can imagine them getting very tattered and grubby before too long, particularly the way I was victoriously throwing Mornington Crescent down onto the table last night. If anyone wants a glance at the cards, by the way, the current lot are up on my Web page at http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan/mcbartok.doc - Word 7 format, I think. I'll put a proper page up explaining the rules at some point, as well as a tidier set of cards - it's basically Uno, with lines instead of suits and station-name-words (Bridge, Green, Park, South, East, West) instead of numbers, anyway. You can guess the rest. Suggested extra rules are "You must play Mornington Crescent as your last card, to win." and "You may nominate a Home Station before the game starts; that Station counts as Mornington Crescent, for you." We did have some obscure ones about Taxis and another saying "if another person walks into the room and starts watching, you may play any card you wish", but I'll leave those for the Web page. Eventually I'll sort out some decently drawn (and *colour*) cards, and make them properly available, anyway, hopefully a while before Christmas. I'll maybe even approach the London Transport Museum very, very tentatively, as well... Thoughts appreciated, anyway. If anyone can spot a decent alternative to Bridge Stations (since "Knightsbridge" and "Redbridge" don't have it as a unique word, which is possibly confusing), let me know. I did have Hills, but "Mill Hill East" counted as an East as well, which unbalanced it. Tsk. Still. Oh, and if anyone's particularly interested and not watching the York server, Simons Mith and I are working vaguely on a frivolous Magic: The Gathering expansion based around Mornington Crescent. We might start a mailing list if anyone else is bored enough to care. The cards I've come up with are on my Web page in the Creativity section, anyway, if anyone would care to glance. God knows what we're going to do with them. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "And we're shaking hands goodnight, so politely." -- Morrissey, "Driving Your Girlfriend Home" From Thu Dec 10 05:04:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12991 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Dec 1998 13:04:53 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 13:04:53 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26755 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:02:32 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26751 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:02:26 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA18668 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:02:25 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 13:02:24 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA15587; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:02:22 GMT Message-Id: <199812101302.NAA15587@uks447> Date: 10 Dec 98 12:56:19 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: FAQ Game Summary MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just had a glance at the Game summary in the FAQ - very good. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Thu Dec 10 05:07:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13981 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Dec 1998 13:07:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 13:07:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26989 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:06:09 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26804 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:06:00 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA19055 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:05:55 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 13:05:55 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA17550; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:05:52 GMT Message-Id: <199812101305.NAA17550@uks447> Date: 10 Dec 98 13:03:30 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Looming Inactivity MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I don't suppose I'm alone in this, but I would like to declare myself Inactive over the Christmas break - the dates are 19/12/98 to 4/1/99 (obviously using the UK date form). Just so you know. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Jonathan David Amery Thu Dec 10 16:41:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30240 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Dec 1998 00:41:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 00:41:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA32709 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:37:24 GMT Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA32706 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:37:05 GMT Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zoGZh-0001X8-00 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:36:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:36:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Looming Inactivity In-Reply-To: <199812101305.NAA17550@uks447> Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On 10 Dec 1998, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > I don't suppose I'm alone in this, but I would like to declare myself > Inactive over the Christmas break - the dates are 19/12/98 to 4/1/99 > (obviously using the UK date form). > I'm declaring myself inactive from the 21/12/98 to 7/1/99, ditto. Jonathan. From Thu Dec 10 22:19:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11058 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Dec 1998 06:19:28 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 06:19:28 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA16229 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:18:39 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA16226 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:18:31 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id QAA22015; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:18:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma021797; Fri, 11 Dec 98 16:17:51 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:17:50 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428DED@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: Oi, where are the [Token Running] Actions? Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:15:22 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) People, Just looking through the ruleset, and I noticed that the [Token Running] Action has disappeared completely. Can someone explain what went on to cause this? Fruttocks, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Sat Dec 12 00:06:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29650 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Dec 1998 08:06:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 08:06:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA32319 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:06:06 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA32184 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:06:00 GMT Received: from [208.169.218.46] (cvl218046.columbus.rr.com [208.169.218.46]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA27004 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:09:35 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:07:56 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: Beating about the Bush Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> Oh. I thought it was allowed, but reading the definition of co-situated, >> I see that Shepherd's Bush, er, isn't a co-situated Station after all. >> Tsk. And nobody's ever buzzed me for going through it as if it was, >> either. >> >I noticed it, but let it go because I thought it was in the spirit of the >game rather than necessarily strictly adhering to the rules. That seems to >be the way of things these days, and I'm all for it remaining so. Well, how about a proposal to adjust the definition, so it can be both in the spirit and in the rules? :) --Riff From Kevan Davis Tue Dec 15 05:00:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 562 Tithey Slove 2 1 1 3 Passes 563 Calling Off the Subs in a... 3 1 - 3 Passes 564 Mornington Croissant 3 1 - 3 Passes 565 The Narg Clamp 3 - 1 3 Passes 566 The Tollpuddle Martyrs 1 - 2 3 Fails 567 Wild Card 2 - 2 3 Fails 568 Jump Jump - - 4 3 Fails 569 Aviaries (Regulation) Bill 2 1 1 3 Passes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul Riff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 562 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - PAS - - AGA 563 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - PAS - - FOR 564 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - PAS - - FOR 565 (PaulWay) - FOR FOR - - AGA - - FOR 566 (dave) - AGA FOR - - AGA - - - 567 (dave) - AGA FOR - - FOR - - AGA 568 (dave) - AGA AGA - - AGA - - AGA 569 (Dunx) - PAS FOR - - AGA - - FOR ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul Riff - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 4 18 4 2 0 28 16 9 11 Halved: --------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +3 +2 +0 +0 +8 +3 +0 AGA Votes: -8 -1 -0 -0 I -1 I -1 -0 Decisiveness: +0 +3 +3 +0 n +3 n +0 +3 Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 -0 a -0 a -0 -0 c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +3 +0 +0 t +0 t +0 +0 EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 i -0 i -0 -0 Finger/Pulse: +0 +5 +0 +0 v +0 v +0 +0 e e Award Ceremony: +7 +3 +0 +0 +3 +1 +3 [a] --------------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +2 +15 +3 +0 +13 +3 +6 Final Kudos: 6 33 7 2 0 41 16 12 17 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul Riff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - dave (Tollpuddle Martyrs) CAMREC Cleanup Award - Dunx (Aviaries Regulation Bill) Mrs Trellis Award - dave (Wild Card) Clever Bear Award - RiffRaff (Game 12's Hat trick) Down Underground Award - +1 (probably) For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Tue Dec 15 05:01:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Week Thirty-Four -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 570 - Walking Back [Amendment] In Rule 1.7.10 (Walk the Walk), replace "Two Stations are within Walking Distance if they are adjacent to each other on the Map." with "Two Stations are within Walking Distance if they are adjacent to each other on the Map, or if they share the same name but are not co-located." { Comments : Just putting back a bit accidentally removed by my sweeping amendment last week. } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 571 - In Case Of Ambiguity, Break Glass [Enactment] If a part of the Ruleset is ever regarded as being ambiguous, in a manner which the Speaker feels requires urgent attention, e may ask the Player responsible for that ambiguity to clarify the wording one way or another. The Rule or Rules in question shall be immediately updated to reflect this judgement, the amendment being announced on the mailing list. The Player responsible for an ambiguity is e whose Proposal (or other activity) caused the ambiguity to come into effect. If no Player can be regarded as being clearly and solely responsible for the ambiguity, the Speaker may clarify it emself. { Comments : Something I proposed for Garden Nomic that'd probably be more useful over here... } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 572 - Give Up for Australia [Amendment] Remove the "Down-Underground Award" from Rule 0.9.4 (Fish and Fowl). { Comments : A bugger to keep track of, as Speaker, and a fairly insulting part of the ruleset anyway. } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 573 - Me and My Shadow [Action] Action: [Bifurcating to ] Cost: 1 Go, 2 Gr Time: 30 mins. A Player may perform the Post-Move action [Bifurcating to ], where is a Station adjacent to the Player's current position. The Player is then Bifurcated, and gains a second Piece, located at the targeted Station. The Player may then make two Move actions each turn, according to the following rules and restrictions: *The two Pieces will be known as A and B, B being the newly-created Piece. Moves should be labelled, to make it easier to keep track of the two pieces movements. Example: Rushton: [LV+2] A:Baker Street (BK) B:Angel (NT via CN, CL) *Pre-Move Actions must be played before _both_ Moves. Likewise, Post-Move Actions must be played _after_ both Moves. Neutral Actions may be played between the two Moves. *Both Pieces have the same LV, at all times. *An Action or situation dependant on a Piece resting at a certain Station is legal if either Piece fufills that qualification. If the action affects the Piece in some way (i.e., changes its location), it only affects the Piece that fufilled the qualifications. *If a Player is forced to move to a certain Station (due to a Parks and Greens Cascade, for example), both Moves must fufill this obligation. *If both pieces make moves that involve changing lines, the [Line Change] action must be played twice. *Token bonuses for moving through or to certain stations are applied seperately for each Move. Example: If one Piece moves through two Interchanges, and the other one moves through three Interchanges, the Player gains one Red token and one Black token, rather than one Silver token. *If either Piece moves to or through a Station occupied by the other Piece, the stationary Piece is destroyed. If one Piece is Shunted into the other, the second one is destroyed. The Shunting Player still gains the bonuses for the Double-Shunt. *If one Piece is located at Mornington Crescent and the other isn't, the Player does not win until the other Piece either moves to MC or is destroyed. *Although the Player has two Pieces, e still has only one Luggage Rack. Therefore, Possessions that restrict Movement (such as a Spoon Clamp) affect both Pieces. Possessions may be picked up by one Piece and dropped by the other. *A Bifurcated Player may not perform the actions [Collecting Parcel] or [Catching Pigeon]. (Schizophrenia is too distracting to perform such complicated tasks.) E may still perform the Actions [Delivering Parcel] and [Releasing Pigeons] if e happens to already be in possession of those objects. *A Tithe action will affect the Player twice if both Pieces are in the targeted Zone. *A Player may have no more than two Pieces at any one time. *A Manoeuver or Gambit must be performed by a single Piece to be valid. A Player may not attempt to Deny their own Manoeuver or Gambit. If a Player is Bifurcated at the beginning of eir turn, e must lose either 2 Bronze Tokens, or 1 Token of any other color, of eir choice. If e cannot pay, Piece B is immediatly destroyed. {Comment: Another Classic MC move that I thought would be fun/interesting if applied to Mornington Nomic. I tried to cover for all the immediatly obvious problems and loopholes, but no doubt the list of clauses will continue to grow as Bifurcation is experimented with. Looks complicated, but it's actually pretty intuitive, IMO. } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 574 - Automatic Teller [Amendment] Add the following lines to the table in rule 1.7.16 (Neutral Actions): [Blue to Gold] 1.7.21 none -2 Bu [Bronze to Gold] 1.7.21 none -8 Br [Bronze to Silver] 1.7.21 none -4 Br [Silver to Gold] 1.7.21 none -2 Si {Comment: Just a fix for a seeming rules oversight. Currently, since the reverses of the token exchange actions aren't in the action list, and their times aren't specified elsewhere, they take 10 mins, unlike the original Actions which take no time to perform. True, they're a bit more powerful than the regular versions, but I figure that having to be at Bank to do them is enough of a restriction. } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 575 - *Pop!* [Multiple] Repeal Rule 1.7.40, and remove the relevant listing from the Neutral Actions table. {Comment: According to its own text, Rule 1.7.40 should already have been repealed, since there are no more Confetti-Filled Balloons in any of the games. } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 576 - The Squaw On The Hippopotamus [Amendment] { Comment: Redoing the Quadrant document made me think that the whole Quadrant definition wants changing. This Proposal gets rid of Halves entirely (they've never been used) and redefines the Quadrants using Lines on the Map (that is, nicking the approach used for Quadrant Zero). The purpose of this redefinition is to effectively obviate the need for the Quadrant document. } Amend Rule 1.17.2 (Pythagoras Would Have Loved This) to read as follows: The major compass points North, South, East and West shall be defined relative to the current Map when it is being read normally, North being up the page. Secondary compass points are those which are a composite of two major points eg North East. Tottenham Court Road shall be treated as the Meridian (ie centre point) for both North-South and East-West axes. The Map shall be considered to be divided into five Quadrants: the Compass Quadrants correspond to the four secondary compass points; the fifth Quadrant (the Circle Quadrant) corresponds to the region of the Map within the Circle. The boundaries are defined thus: +-------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Quadrant Boundary | Definition | +-------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Circle | On or within the Circle Line | | North West / North East | Northern Line (Charing X branch) to | | | Camden Town, then due North | | North East / South East | Hammersmith & City to West Ham, | | | then due East | | South East / South West | Northern Line (Charing X branch) to | | | Waterloo, then due South | | South West / North West | Central Line | +-------------------------+-------------------------------------+ For ease of reference the Quadrants are numbered as follows: +------------+--------+ | Quadrant | Number | +------------+--------+ | Circle | 0 | | North East | 1 | | South East | 2 | | South West | 3 | | North West | 4 | +------------+--------+ Each Station shall have an attribute of Quadrant determined by its location on the Map. If a Station lies on a Compass Quadrant boundary, it shall be considered to reside in both Quadrants adjacent to the boundary. Stations in Quadrant Zero reside only in Quadrant Zero. { Comment to Speaker: Another redone Quadrant document will follow as needed, although this Proposal pretty much removes the need for one. } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Tue Dec 15 05:51:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 18461 invoked by uid 7770); 15 Dec 1998 13:51:17 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 13:51:17 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27631 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:50:37 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27626 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:50:33 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08826 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:50:30 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 13:50:30 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA02795; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:50:27 GMT Message-Id: <199812151350.NAA02795@uks447> Date: 15 Dec 98 13:47:09 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 34: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 15-Dec-98 12:56 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Week 34's Proposals included: >Proposal 570 - Walking Back [Amendment] Thanks, Kevan. >Proposal 571 - In Case Of Ambiguity, Break Glass [Enactment] Yes - a Good Thing, by my reckoning. >Proposal 573 - Me and My Shadow [Action] Aha - at last I can remove my own bifurcation draft from my mail client... I like this a lot: it's elegant, and one of the main agonies I suffered in trying to work out how to implement this idea (that of giving each Piece its LV) has simply been abolished. Also, an idea which was suggested to make Bifurcation less powerful (that of requiring everything to happen within the same Game Time limit as would usually be applied to a single Piece) is implicit in this Proposal. Nice. Unfortunately, there are issues with this implementation: - shunt LV - what happens to the joint Piece LV if one of the Pieces is shunted? I would suggest that both should be zeroed, but that (or something else more imaginative) needs saying. The same question arises if one Piece Passes... - Charge - again, this is an attribute which is individually determined by the Pieces. I would suggest making it cumulative on the two Pieces' movement. And Charge is modified by a Shunt, also. There may be others - that's all I can think of at the moment, though. >Proposal 574 - Automatic Teller [Amendment] > >Add the following lines to the table in rule 1.7.16 (Neutral Actions): > >[Blue to Gold] 1.7.21 none -2 Bu I'm not happy with this [Blue to Gold] conversion action - the wording of 1.7.21 implies its existence, but Blue Tokens are not money and never should be. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Tue Dec 15 23:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 23436 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Dec 1998 07:08:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 07:08:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA17312 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:07:13 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17309 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:07:06 GMT Received: from [208.169.218.46] (cvl218046.columbus.rr.com [208.169.218.46]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA02196 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:10:41 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:09:03 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 34: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Proposal 573 - Me and My Shadow [Action] >Aha - at last I can remove my own bifurcation draft from my mail client... > >I like this a lot: it's elegant, and one of the main agonies I suffered in >trying to work out how to implement this idea (that of giving each Piece >its LV) has simply been abolished. > >Also, an idea which was suggested to make Bifurcation less powerful (that >of requiring everything to happen within the same Game Time limit as would >usually be applied to a single Piece) is implicit in this Proposal. Nice. Thanks. :) >Unfortunately, there are issues with this implementation: > - shunt LV - what happens to the joint Piece LV if one of the Pieces > is shunted? I would suggest that both should be zeroed, but that > (or something else more imaginative) needs saying. The same > question arises if one Piece Passes... I would agree that both are zeroed, both in Shunts and Passes. Think of it like the Corsican Twins, or the Bond between an Aes Sedai and her Warder (for those of you that read Robert Jordan). Whatever happens to the one piece is felt by, and affects, the other. > - Charge - again, this is an attribute which is individually > determined by the Pieces. I would suggest making it cumulative on > the two Pieces' movement. And Charge is modified by a Shunt, also. Ooh, Charge. I knew I'd forgotten something. Well, looking at the rules, it could be fixed by rewording the charge rules to be "Every Player has a charge" rather than "Every Piece has a charge". Thus your charge would be modified my both piece moves, and by shunts. I could submit that as an proposal next week if this one passes, if everyone thinks it necessary. Actually, if Proposal 571 passes, we could resolve it right then, under the anti-ambiguity rules. > >There may be others - that's all I can think of at the moment, though. I'm positive there are :) > > >>Proposal 574 - Automatic Teller [Amendment] >> >>Add the following lines to the table in rule 1.7.16 (Neutral Actions): >> >>[Blue to Gold] 1.7.21 none -2 Bu >I'm not happy with this [Blue to Gold] conversion action - the wording of >1.7.21 implies its existence, but Blue Tokens are not money and never >should be. I agree, actually. I hadn't thought of that, the proposal's pretty much just a time-fix for already-existing actions. We can always repeal the [Blue to Gold] later... --Riff From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Wed Dec 16 02:05:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 1138 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Dec 1998 10:05:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 10:05:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26044 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:04:23 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26041 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:04:18 GMT Received: from [208.169.218.46] (cvl218046.columbus.rr.com [208.169.218.46]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA11622 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 05:07:55 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 05:06:16 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 34: Proposals Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > The boundaries are defined thus: > > +-------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > | Quadrant Boundary | Definition | > +-------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > | Circle | On or within the Circle Line | > | North West / North East | Northern Line (Charing X branch) to | > | | Camden Town, then due North | > | North East / South East | Hammersmith & City to West Ham, | > | | then due East | Er... Why Hammersmith and City? It's a bit north; Tottenham Court Road isn't even on it. Why not, say, Central Line to Mile End, then due East? --Riff From Wed Dec 16 02:50:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12598 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Dec 1998 10:50:22 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 10:50:22 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28353 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:48:48 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28350 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:48:44 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA11810 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:48:42 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 10:48:42 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA06040; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:48:39 GMT Message-Id: <199812161048.KAA06040@uks447> Date: 16 Dec 98 10:33:23 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 34: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 16-Dec-98 10:06 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> | North East / South East | Hammersmith & City to West Ham, | >> | | then due East | >Er... Why Hammersmith and City? It's a bit north; Tottenham Court Road >isn't even on it. Why not, say, Central Line to Mile End, then due East? I chose the H&C because it's closest to the old Quadrant boundary along the section we care about ie outside the Circle Line. Its route west of Aldgate East is irrelevant, since that's in Quadrant Zero. I actually think the Central's route outside the Circle is too northerly and would overload the South East Quadrant. Another benefit of the H&C boundary is that it's unequivocal - a pencil line drawn due East from West Ham does not cross any other LU lines, whereas going from Mile End you cross the DLR and H&C/District which leads to the need for an arbitrary decision on which Quadrants Pudding Mill Lane, Plaistow, and perhaps even Upton Park are in (exactly the kind of nonsense this proposal was meant to eliminate - writing that Quadrant document was a bugger, and I've never been happy with Whitechapel's status). I see what you mean about TCR not being on the H&C, but that's the only reason I can see for using the Central, a sentimental bit of reasoning which is outweighed by other factors. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Wed Dec 16 03:48:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 30027 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Dec 1998 11:48:18 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 11:48:18 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA31569 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:46:24 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA31566 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:46:19 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA18989 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:46:18 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 11:46:18 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA15885; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:46:15 GMT Message-Id: <199812161146.LAA15885@uks447> Date: 16 Dec 98 11:40:37 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Year 2, Week 34: Proposals X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 16-Dec-98 07:09 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >>Unfortunately, there are issues with this implementation: >> - shunt LV - what happens to the joint Piece LV if one of the Pieces >> is shunted? I would suggest that both should be zeroed, but that >> (or something else more imaginative) needs saying. The same >> question arises if one Piece Passes... >I would agree that both are zeroed, both in Shunts and Passes. Think of it >like the Corsican Twins, or the Bond between an Aes Sedai and her Warder >(for those of you that read Robert Jordan). Whatever happens to the one >piece is felt by, and affects, the other. *nods* Sounds about right. >> - Charge - again, this is an attribute which is individually >> determined by the Pieces. I would suggest making it cumulative on >> the two Pieces' movement. And Charge is modified by a Shunt, also. >Ooh, Charge. I knew I'd forgotten something. Well, looking at the rules, >it could be fixed by rewording the charge rules to be "Every Player has a >charge" rather than "Every Piece has a charge". Thus your charge would be >modified my both piece moves, and by shunts. That's certainly consistent with the LV approach, anyway. I find myself with a nagging doubt about transferring LV and Charge from the Piece back to the Player, though - I would rather have a similar statement for Charge in the Bifurcation rule as is already present for LV... Actually, looking again at the Rules, LV is currently given as being an attribute of Player rather than Piece. I thought we'd fixed that. In that case, modify the Charge rule as you suggest. >I could submit that as an proposal next week if this one passes, if >everyone thinks it necessary. Actually, if Proposal 571 passes, we could >resolve it right then, under the anti-ambiguity rules. Either works for me - although invoking the ambiguity rule would normally require some degree of urgency. >>>[Blue to Gold] 1.7.21 none -2 Bu >>I'm not happy with this [Blue to Gold] conversion action - the wording of >>1.7.21 implies its existence, but Blue Tokens are not money and never >>should be. >I agree, actually. Oh, good. >I hadn't thought of that, the proposal's pretty much >just a time-fix for already-existing actions. We can always repeal the >[Blue to Gold] later... Righty ho. It needs removing from the ruleset now, so I may dash something off straight away. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From David Kenning Wed Dec 16 03:53:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31426 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Dec 1998 11:53:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 11:53:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA31863 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:52:27 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA31858 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:52:23 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA13149; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:01:02 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic'" Subject: MN: Quis custodiet custodes Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:24:37 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Dunx, hasn't it been your turn in Game 11 for almost a week? dave From Wed Dec 16 04:18:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 5334 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Dec 1998 12:18:16 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 12:18:16 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00397 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:16:58 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00393 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:16:52 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA22448 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:16:50 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 12:16:49 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA20743; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:16:47 GMT Message-Id: <199812161216.MAA20743@uks447> Date: 16 Dec 98 12:14:10 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 16-Dec-98 11:24 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Dunx, hasn't it been your turn in Game 11 for almost a week? Er... no. Thanks for asking, though. I played my Game 11 Move on the 9th, and timed out Jon yesterday. It's now PaulWay's go. The eGroups archive confirms that. I'd check your mail receipt settings on Lyttleton. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From David Kenning Wed Dec 16 05:28:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26637 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Dec 1998 13:28:45 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 13:28:45 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03915 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:28:02 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA03909 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:27:59 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA21895; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:36:39 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: Banging my head against a brick wall... Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:25:30 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Er... no. Thanks for asking, though. > I didn't think that could be right. I think egroups has taken a dislike to me. The Paranomic list is up the spout, and I seem to be having communication problems with some of the mn lists. > > I'd check your mail receipt settings on Lyttleton. > Everything *appears* to be in order - maybe it's time for a few stern words to egroups management. dave From Kevan Davis Wed Dec 16 14:37:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 12743 invoked by uid 7770); 16 Dec 1998 22:37:15 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 22:37:15 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00114 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:35:42 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00109 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:35:27 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p49.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.49]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA13364 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:35:16 GMT Message-Id: <199812162235.WAA13364@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:34:15 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: Banging my head against a brick wall... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> Er... no. Thanks for asking, though. > >I didn't think that could be right. I think egroups has taken a dislike to >me. The Paranomic list is up the spout, and I seem to be having >communication problems with some of the mn lists. It seems widespread - I've just had a somewhat ominous message to the "egroups-managers" list (which I wasn't aware I was a member of) with "Tammy aka Tubthumper" asking if anyone else is having trouble with their lists, so it seems like it's widespread across all lists (and I hope to all available gods that I'm not going to get a thousand "Yes" and "Me too" emails in the morning). Looks like nothing's get through to the Game Lounges, anyway - I've had a few messages inexplicably presented to me for moderation, lacking the usual explanation, so Baal knows. I don't know anything more about it than you lot, anyway. Presumably eGroups are being kicked repeatedly about it and will deal with it before too long. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "And yea, though I walk in the road to get past, I'm not in the least afraid." -- Half Man Half Biscuit, "He Who Would Valium Take" From Kevan Davis Thu Dec 17 05:46:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 28514 invoked by uid 7770); 17 Dec 1998 13:46:47 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 1998 13:46:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14554 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:45:29 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14551 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:45:24 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p13.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.13]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA01000 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:45:20 GMT Message-Id: <199812171345.NAA01000@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:43:21 +0000 To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Emergency Proposal 029 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emergency Proposal 029 - Terminal Overload [Multiple] { Comment: Despite dave's protestations, I believe this does need fixing. Basically, a Station is always a Terminus if any Line terminates there. However, I've tidied up the Terminus Slingshot and Shunt definitions to reflect the discussion. } [Amendment: Defining Moment] Amend Rule 1.17.6 (Station Categories) such that the definition for "Terminus" reads thus: "* Terminus - A Terminus Station is a Station that has at least one Line emerging from it in only one direction. Each such Line is said to terminate at that Station. " [Amendment: Shunts for the Memory] Amend Rule 1.10.1 (A Shunting We Will Go) such that the first criterion reads thus: "* There are 'n-1' Stations between the Target Station and the Shunted Player's initial location (where 'n' is the Actioning Player's Line Velocity), or there are less than 'n-1' Stations between it and the Shunted Player's initial location, and it is also a Terminus Station for the line along which the Shunt is to be performed." [Amendment: Slingback] Amend Rule 2.4.4 (Terminus Slingshot) to read thus: "A player who finishes eir Turn at a Terminus and with the Line Code of a Line terminating there may play the 20-minute Post-Move Action of [Terminus Slingshot] and transfer eir Piece to any other Terminus on that Line provided that a straight move between the two would not involve a change of Line Direction. This action costs 1 Black Token and gains 1 Silver. " [End of Terminal Overload] { Comment: The biggest change is in the Terminus definition - the other tweaks are a lot more minor. Note that the Dead-End Shunt Rule (1.10.3) mentions Termini, but defers to the basic Shunt definition. Further, note that the Chalk Farm Rule 2.2.1 has a usage of Terminus which is already in keeping. Is that all alright? } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raised by Dunx, 17/12/98 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Fri Dec 18 02:25:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 14413 invoked by uid 7770); 18 Dec 1998 10:25:44 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 1998 10:25:43 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14417 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:23:42 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14414 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:23:37 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA22999 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:23:18 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 18 Dec 1998 10:23:17 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA10782; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:23:14 GMT Message-Id: <199812181023.KAA10782@uks447> Date: 18 Dec 98 09:56:25 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Game States w/e 18/12/98 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) As of 09:56 GMT 18/12/98, the game states were as follows: Game List Rules To Play Last Move [1] ------------------------------------------------------ 11 MN-L Long dave 17-December-1998 08:44 12 MN-C Vanilla PaulWay 17-December-1998 09:51 13 MN-G Flag not in play 14 MN-B CF 84 PaulWay 17-December-1998 02:13 [2] 15 MN-R Rutts PaulWay 14-December-1998 16:48 [1] I've used the time sent as I see it in my mailer. YMMV [2] Buzz outstanding -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Jonathan David Amery Sun Dec 20 21:49:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9359 invoked by uid 7770); 21 Dec 1998 05:49:52 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 1998 05:49:52 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA13351 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:44:08 GMT Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA13347 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:44:04 GMT Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zry8Q-0002xI-00 for l-nomic@f...; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:44:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 05:44:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Inactivity Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) As specified before - I go inactive. Jon. From duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) Mon Dec 21 16:10:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4023 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Dec 1998 00:10:00 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 1998 00:10:00 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA03105 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:08:54 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA03101 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:08:48 GMT Received: from [158.152.31.180] (helo=lazarus.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zsFNX-0005va-00 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:08:47 +0000 From: duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Inactivity Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:05:03 GMT Message-ID: <367ee194.569668@p...> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id AAA03103 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Jon wrote: > > As specified before - I go inactive. > > Jon. Me too. I've actually been Inactive for some time really - consider this the last stirrings before hibernation. And Merry Christmas, or whatever festival you prefer. (http://www.lazarus.demon.co.uk/xmas/card98.html) Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From David Kenning Wed Dec 23 03:54:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 3746 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Dec 1998 11:54:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 1998 11:54:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08826 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:53:53 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08823 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:53:48 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA27868; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:02:46 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic'" Subject: MN: Game 15 query Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:50:32 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) In the heat of discussion over the legality of Kevan's slingshot, we overlooked his collecting a token from Goldhawk Road -- obviously it's too late to question it now, but I'm not at all convinced the claim was legal. If it is legal to claim the token, then I believe it would imply that it is legal to to claim token bonuses for interchanges passed through. Another thing that bothers me is that the slingshot (and, for that matter, other piece position modification actions) doesn't require you to specify a route -- things like Straddling require that the destination station be x stations away, but not necessarily that you use a certain route. This all comes back to the question of whether or not 'moving' via an action means you pass through the intervening stations en route to your new destination. I think perhaps some serious modifications need to be made to action-related movement. dave From Kevan Davis Wed Dec 23 14:13:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 29981 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Dec 1998 22:13:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 1998 22:13:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA06939 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:09:06 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA06925 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:08:50 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p18.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.18]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA12990 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:08:33 GMT Message-Id: X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:49:04 +0000 To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Christmas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Just to let you know that I'll be away from the Internet for a week or two, and it seems reasonable to extend the current Week in my absence, most players presumably away for Christmas; I'll pencil in 12:00pm (GMT) on the 5th of January, for now - if I'm going to be away for longer, I'll get the message through. All the best for the rest of your 1998s, anyway. See you in the new year. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I was skimming stones, I killed a swan." -- My Life Story, "Welcome to my Archipelago" From Wed Dec 23 19:18:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26263 invoked by uid 7770); 24 Dec 1998 03:18:03 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 1998 03:18:03 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA21798 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 03:17:17 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA21795 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 03:17:10 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id NAA27929; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:17:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma027919; Thu, 24 Dec 98 13:16:56 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:16:55 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428E20@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Inactivity Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:16:54 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) And I too go inactive until the 4th of January. Happy hiatus, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW From Sun Jan 3 15:07:28 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 31932 invoked by uid 7770); 3 Jan 1999 23:07:26 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 1999 23:07:26 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA06223 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:06:03 GMT Received: from dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au (dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au [203.25.1.208]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA06160 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:05:52 GMT Received: by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au; id JAA17887; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:05:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from aricrmntp001.ari.dpi.qld.gov.au(147.132.69.28) by dpi-gw.dpi.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma017802; Mon, 4 Jan 99 09:05:32 +1000 Received: by ARICRMNTP001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:05:31 +1000 Message-ID: <32C1DEF30B54D211A3DE00A0C9D34584428E21@PIBCRMEXH001> From: "Wayper, Paul" To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: Inactivity Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:05:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, December 24, 1998 1:17 PM, Wayper, Paul [SMTP:WayperP@p...] wrote: > Happy hiatus, And a very happy hiatus it was too. I'm back, and I'm active. Will be checking on all the games today. Noole, Paul Wayper -- DPI ITS Computer Systems Officer _____________________________________________________________________ SigClean 1.5a prevents all errors in transcription, transmission, and reception of eMail, destroys sig and email viruses, and stops flames. If it doesn't seem to work, contact me and I'll fix it. (c) 1998 PJW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3i for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNo9rGstA22MsBS7iEQIoGACfeqydBbxN4ORu815aJs/f5+H/LRIAoOy1 DycigtYL8js1VGuE6RFgGcQ9 =xllU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Kevan Davis Wed Jan 6 14:02:52 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15255 invoked by uid 7770); 6 Jan 1999 22:02:50 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 1999 22:02:50 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA05008 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:01:32 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05004 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:01:27 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p28.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.28]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA03108 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:01:23 GMT Message-Id: <199901062201.WAA03108@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:52:19 +0000 To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: New Speaker Required Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) It's been bobbing on the horizon for some time, but it's suddenly swung to mere inches in front of my face - on Saturday, I lose Internet access, for a length of time we can only guess at. Such means the death of my Speakership, and possibly (although I hope not) of the Nomic itself. I don't know if any of you feel up to the burden of taking on the role of Speaker - raise a hand if you do, and the keys are yours. All the documents are up on the Xoom pages, and I can easily hand over the password. There are a few messy little QBasic programs I've been using to format the text ruleset to HTML, the proposals list to a single Web page, and everything - I'll pass those on if the new Speaker should want them. But yes. If nobody feels they're in a position to give Mornington Nomic the time and effort it needs (although it's not *much* these days, really), I'll just give it a shallow grave and hope that I regain access to the old Internet before too many months have passed. Sorry to spring this on you so suddenly, but circumstances were sprung on myself with equal suddenness. Heigh ho. Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "Time will never wipe you out." -- Morrissey, "I'd Love To" From Thu Jan 7 02:05:15 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11171 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jan 1999 10:05:12 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 1999 10:05:12 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09166 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:02:43 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09163 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:02:38 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA20219 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:02:21 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 7 Jan 1999 10:02:20 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA26566; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:02:17 GMT Message-Id: <199901071002.KAA26566@uks447> Date: 07 Jan 99 09:41:04 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: New Speaker Required X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 06-Jan-99 21:52 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Oh dear. I'd like to volunteer as Speaker, if I may, and if no other Player has any objections. Keeping the Xoom pages going seems like the best bet, as you say. Would it be useful to transfer ownership of the mailing lists? Also, presumably you've gathered some week-end stuff (votes, new proposals) which could do with being forwarded. On a more personal note, Kevan, I'd like to thank you for starting this game up and for runniing it so effectively over the last 20 months. I'm very sorry to see you go, however temporarily or otherwise that may be. Cheers. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Thu Jan 7 02:18:09 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 19381 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jan 1999 10:18:04 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 1999 10:18:04 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09930 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:17:23 GMT Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09927 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:17:19 GMT Received: from [208.169.217.216] (cvl217216.columbus.rr.com [208.169.217.216]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA08218 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:20:53 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: riffraff@m... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:19:08 -0500 To: l-nomic@f... From: riffraff@n... (RiffRaff) Subject: Re: MN: New Speaker Required Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Oh dear. > >I'd like to volunteer as Speaker, if I may, and if no other Player has any >objections. > >Keeping the Xoom pages going seems like the best bet, as you say. Would it >be >useful to transfer ownership of the mailing lists? > >Also, presumably you've gathered some week-end stuff (votes, new proposals) >which could do with being forwarded. Yes, please... I'd like to know how the last proposals turned out before I have to make my next move in game 12. :) > >On a more personal note, Kevan, I'd like to thank you for starting this game >up and for runniing it so effectively over the last 20 months. I'm very >sorry >to see you go, however temporarily or otherwise that may be. Seconded! Three cheers to Kevan for a terrific game! (and also to Dunx for volunteering... I was worried there.) cheers, --Riff From Kevan Davis Thu Jan 7 05:26:48 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 10438 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jan 1999 13:26:47 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 1999 13:26:47 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21376 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:25:42 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21373 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:25:37 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p28.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.28]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA24644 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:25:20 GMT Message-Id: <199901071325.NAA24644@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:31:37 +0000 To: l-nomic@f... From: Kevan Davis Subject: Re: MN: New Speaker Required In-Reply-To: <199901071002.KAA26566@uks447> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >I'd like to volunteer as Speaker, if I may, and if no other Player has any >objections. Absolutely fine with me - in all honesty, I couldn't think of a better man for the job; kudos to all others aside, Dunx has done a terrific amount for the game since joining it at its inception, and I'm more than happy to hand the reins over. It would have been a very sad day if Mornomic had to be put on a shelf in my absence. I hereby give Dunx all 41 of my Kudos. Bravo to you, sir. >Would it be useful to transfer ownership of the mailing lists? Very useful, yes, but potentially impossible - I couldn't find anyway to take over the Brooke-Taylor Lounge after carelessly creating it whilst logged on as Julie, and my contacts at Foobar are no longer there (and, indeed, Foobar itself may no longer be there for much longer, grapevines tell me). >Also, presumably you've gathered some week-end stuff (votes, new proposals) >which could do with being forwarded. I'll attend to the Week-End later today, to give a clean transition to the new leadership. >On a more personal note, Kevan, I'd like to thank you for starting this game >up and for runniing it so effectively over the last 20 months. I'm very sorry >to see you go, however temporarily or otherwise that may be. And I'd like to thank all of its players, past and present, for everything they've added to the game since the early days. It's been tremendously enjoyable and fascinating, and I look forward to returning whenever I do and seeing how things have advanced in my absence. Until I get permanent access again, I dare say I'll be able to catch glimpses through other people's machines - I'll be watching with interest. All the best for the year ahead, anyway, everyone. Minding the gap, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "I have to carve the gargoyles, because I can carve nothing else; I leave to others the angels and the arches and the spires." -- G.K. Chesterton From Kevan Davis Thu Jan 7 13:43:30 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 570 Walking Back 3 1 - 3 Passes 571 In Case of Ambiguity... 2 1 1 3 Passes 572 Give Up For Australia 3 1 - 3 Passes 573 Me and my Shadow 2 1 1 3 Passes 574 Automatic Teller 4 - - 3 Passes 575 *Pop!* 4 - - 3 Passes 576 The Squaw on the Hippopotamus 1 2 1 3 Fails ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul Riff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 570 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - PAS - FOR - 571 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - PAS - AGA - 572 (Kevan) - FOR FOR - - PAS - FOR - 573 (RiffRaff) - FOR FOR - - PAS - AGA - 574 (RiffRaff) - FOR FOR - - FOR - FOR - 575 (RiffRaff) - FOR FOR - - FOR - FOR - 576 (Dunx) - PAS FOR - - PAS - AGA - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul Riff - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 6 33 7 2 0 41 16 12 17 Halved: 3 16 3 1 20 6 8 --------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +1 +0 +0 +8 +0 +10 AGA Votes: -0 -1 -0 -0 I -1 I -0 -1 Decisiveness: +0 +3 +3 +0 n +0 n +3 +0 Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 -0 a -0 a -0 -0 c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 t +0 t +0 +0 EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 i -0 i -0 -0 Finger/Pulse: +0 +5 +0 +0 v +0 v +0 +0 e e Award Ceremony: +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +10 [a] Kudos Gifts +0 +41 +0 +0 -41 +0 +0 --------------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +0 +49 +3 +0 -34 +3 +19 Final Kudos: 3 65 6 1 0 -14 16 9 27 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie Kevan miKi Paul Riff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - RiffRaff (Me and my Shadow) IMCS Clarity Award - RiffRaff (*Pop!*) CAMREC Cleanup Award - RiffRaff (Automatic Teller) Mrs Trellis Award - none Clever Bear Award - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Kevan (automatic) From Kevan Davis Thu Jan 7 14:27:21 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:16:54 +0000 To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 35: Proposals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Week Thirty-Five -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 577 - You Bought It, You Keep It [Multiple] { Comment: eliminating the dubious [Blue to Gold] Action... } [Amendment: No Refunds] Amend Rule 1.7.21 such that its final paragraph reads thus: "The opposite Actions ("[Silver to Gold]", etc.) may also be performed, with the same exchange rates, but only for exchange of Metallic Tokens and only if the Actioning Player's Piece is situated at Bank." [Amendment: Even *With* A Receipt] If Proposal 574 (Automatic Teller) passed, amend Rule 1.7.16 (Neutral Actions) to remove reference to the [Blue To Gold] Action. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 578 - Holy Smoke, Batman! [Multiple] [Amendment: They Might Peck the Parson] Amend Rule 1.10.1 (A Shunting We Will Go) such that the fourth condition for shunt validity reads as follows: "* The Shunted Player's initial location is neither Dollis Hill, nor a Holy Station (unless the Shunted Player is carrying one or more Pigeons). " { Comment: I nearly made Holy Stations Blocked for carriers of livestock, but I thought that might be a bit much - merely denying sanctuary seems sufficient. } [Amendment: We Don't Want Crumbs In the Hymn Books] Amend Rule 1.4.16 (Playing With Food) such that its penultimate paragraph reads as follows: "A Player may perform the 20-minute Pre-Move Action of [Eating ] at the start of eir Turn, where is an Edible Possession that the Player is carrying, provided that eir Piece is not situated at a Holy Station. Upon performance of this Action, the Actioning Player gains Line Velocity equal to the cost of the Victual in Bronze Tokens, and the Eaten Possession is destroyed. " [Amendment: God Wants to See Your Bald Spot] Append the following paragraph to Rule 1.7.34 (Hands On Your Heads!): "The Action [Hands On Hat] may not be played if the Player's Piece begins the Turn at a Holy Station." { Comment: I have an abiding memory of being told in no uncertain terms not to wear a hat in church when I was a bairn... } [End of Holy Smoke, Batman!] { Comment: Superficially, this may appear to be a further vicious attack on the multi-pigeoned Kevan. That's probably because it is (or at least that's how it started). Anyway, when's the last time you had a Mars Bar in Church? } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 579 - Terminal Bore [Amendment] Amend Rule 2.2.1 (The End of the Line) to read thus: "All Terminus stations on a line that the Player stands on are considered Wild for that Player only. If e stands at an Interchange, all Terminus stations on all lines of that Interchange are considered Wild." { Comment: This removes the final sentence. The sentence was redundant in any case, but doubly so since Token Running was repealed. Apologies for nicking your line, dave. } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal 580 - Exit Stage Left [Amendment] Add the following Manoeuvre to the list in Rule 1.18.2 (Gambits And Their Costs):- The Davis Memorial Manoeuvre (1 Go) Victoria -> Hyde Park Corner -> Angel { My parting shot, for what it's worth. Farewell awhile, Mornomickers. Mind the gap. } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Kevan Davis Thu Jan 7 14:52:02 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 13210 invoked by uid 7770); 7 Jan 1999 22:51:56 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 1999 22:51:56 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA23207 for l-nomic-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:48:17 GMT Received: from carlton.innotts.co.uk (carlton.innotts.co.uk [195.89.181.2]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA23203 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:48:01 GMT Received: from elusive.innotts.co.uk (max-pool-p70.innotts.co.uk [195.89.183.70]) by carlton.innotts.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA04393 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:47:28 GMT Message-Id: <199901072247.WAA04393@c...> X-Sender: kdavis@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:45:32 +0000 To: Mornington Nomic From: Kevan Davis Subject: MN: New Speaker Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Well, that's it, then. I've done all the Week's paperwork, and hereby hand the Speaker trousers over to Dunx - from this point onward, all Proposals, Votes and whatnot should be sent to him instead of myself. All the best with it, sir. And I hereby resign from the Game, anyway, rather than merely going Inactive and cluttering things up. I've no idea when I'll return, but I'll just rejoin when I do. Regards, Kevan -- kdavis@i... - http://www.innotts.co.uk/~elusive/kevan - UIN: 5998366 "The way to love anything is to realize that it might be lost." -- G.K. Chesterton From Fri Jan 8 02:51:06 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15250 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jan 1999 10:51:02 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 10:51:02 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27232 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:50:16 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27228 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:50:10 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA21534 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:49:34 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 10:49:34 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA14705; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:49:32 GMT Message-Id: <199901081049.KAA14705@uks447> Date: 08 Jan 99 10:40:30 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: New Speaker X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 07-Jan-99 22:45 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Thankyou, Kevan. I shall try to keep the trousers pressed. I'll update the web page appropriately over the weekend. In the meantime, just mail me here or at home (dunx@l...) if you've got any problems. Er... that's it, really. On with Week 35... -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From David Kenning Fri Jan 8 03:15:18 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 11594 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jan 1999 11:15:15 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 11:15:15 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28700 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:14:55 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28696 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:14:50 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA08240; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:23:55 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: MN: A New Dawn Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:39:29 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > I'd like to volunteer as Speaker, if I may, and if no other Player has any > > objections. > Well, it's already happened, but I'm wholeheartedly in favour of this anyway. > > On a more personal note, Kevan, I'd like to thank you for starting this > game > up and for runniing it so effectively over the last 20 months. I'm very > sorry > to see you go, however temporarily or otherwise that may be. > I second that. It was an excellent idea to combine Nomic and Crescent, and it's been great fun. Since we seem to have reached a watershed in the game's history, this might be an apprpriate moment to take stock. I have a couple of suggestions. First, if we're not sure of the status of the foobar mailing list, I wonder if perhaps it might not be a good idea to move l-nomic over to egroups? Or would it be best to wait until the unfortunate event actually happens? Second, how about a moratorium on proposals for a while? I suggest this in the hope that we could have a good bash at thoroughly playtesting the current ruleset in its entirety and really iron out any bits that need ironing out -- any changes that need to be made could be made by emergency proposals. Third, but related to second, reorganise the rules comprehensively (I'm imagining doing this by discussion and concensus rather than by proposal) and maybe make the first section more distinct from the rest, to keep the rule-changing processes separate from the game-play rules. That's it for now. What do folk think? Any more ideas? dave From Fri Jan 8 08:34:18 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9491 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jan 1999 16:34:16 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 16:34:16 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14471 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:32:58 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14468 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:32:54 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA29857 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:32:13 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 16:32:13 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA12285; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:32:10 GMT Message-Id: <199901081632.QAA12285@uks447> Date: 08 Jan 99 16:03:09 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: A New Dawn X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 08-Jan-99 10:39 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >Since we seem to have reached a watershed in the game's history, this might >be an apprpriate moment to take stock. I have a couple of suggestions. >First, if we're not sure of the status of the foobar mailing list, I wonder >if perhaps it might not be a good idea to move l-nomic over to egroups? Or >would it be best to wait until the unfortunate event actually happens? That's probably a good idea - my only concern about egroups is the slow response of one of the lounges (Rushton is quite variable), but otherwise they seem to have done a good job of supporting our traffic so far. >Second, how about a moratorium on proposals for a while? I suggest this in >the hope that we could have a good bash at thoroughly playtesting the >current ruleset in its entirety and really iron out any bits that need >ironing out -- any changes that need to be made could be made by emergency >proposals. I assume that you mean we should have some kind of formal state where sections 0.4, 0.5, and 0.9 of the ruleset are suspended. I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand I confess that I'm currently more involved in the Crescent part than the Nomic part, and that not having to distribute proposals and so on would obviously make my life easier. But on the other hand, some of the fixes which may be required could be large - I'm still unconvinced that Dollis Hill isn't deeply broken, for instance - and as I've expressed before, EPs should be highly focussed. I think it may be sufficient to have an informal moratorium, although that rather goes against the spirit of a Nomic. >Third, but related to second, reorganise the rules comprehensively (I'm >imagining doing this by discussion and concensus rather than by proposal) >and maybe make the first section more distinct from the rest, to keep the >rule-changing processes separate from the game-play rules. With you there. The action tables in particular make navigation a lot easier, but it is still a deeply confusing ruleset to read through from start to finish. And consensus is vital, but I also believe that a proposal (or two, or three...) has to be the ultimate result of that consensus. However we look at it, the ruleset is still the primary Official Document of this game and keeping a proper record of the changes made to it is pretty important. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Jonathan David Amery Fri Jan 8 10:07:26 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2099 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Jan 1999 18:07:10 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 1999 18:07:10 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19816 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:05:54 GMT Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19812 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:05:49 GMT Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zygHT-00025o-00 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:05:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:05:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Reya Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I become active. What's been going on while I was away? -- Jonathan D. Amery, http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html ##### "Attention all substations: Project Venice has crashed again due o__####### to server difficulties. Please observe safety precautions while \'####### unplugging programmers or corprunners" -Project Venice, Netrunner. From Mon Jan 11 04:23:47 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32629 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jan 1999 12:21:18 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 1999 12:21:18 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26976 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:21:28 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26973 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:21:18 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA00402 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:19:16 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 11 Jan 1999 12:19:15 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA03643; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:19:11 GMT Message-Id: <199901111219.MAA03643@uks447> Date: 11 Jan 99 12:16:36 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: New Speaker, New Address MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Players: Just to formally let you know what addresses to use for communicating with your Speaker. First of all, official communication (Proposals, Votes, etc) should go to my home address - dunx@l... I can poll this account from work so I may respond during the day, but otherwise I'll deal with it in the evenings (GMT, that is). However, if an urgent reply is necessary then try mailing me at work - dellis@u... I've updated the Mornomic pages accordingly (or at least in part). Thanks. And don't forget to Vote. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From David Kenning Mon Jan 11 06:50:42 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 6694 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jan 1999 14:46:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 1999 14:46:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02369 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:46:59 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02366 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:46:54 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA00380; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:55:01 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic'" Subject: MN: state of the nation Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:38:05 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) With Kevan's departure, I just had a look at the current games to see what effect it has. Most notably, it is now Dunx's turn in games 11 and 15, my turn in game 12. (sorry Dunx if I'm telling you something you already know). It also looks like I shall have to rethink my game 15 strategy. pah! dave From Mon Jan 11 07:15:59 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 32264 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jan 1999 15:08:48 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 1999 15:08:48 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03559 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:07:44 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03549 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:07:39 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA21277 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:05:52 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 11 Jan 1999 15:05:52 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA29608; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:05:50 GMT Message-Id: <199901111505.PAA29608@uks447> Date: 11 Jan 99 14:55:48 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: state of the nation X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 11-Jan-99 12:38 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >With Kevan's departure, I just had a look at the current games to see what >effect it has. Most notably, it is now Dunx's turn in games 11 and 15, my >turn in game 12. (sorry Dunx if I'm telling you something you already know). You are quite correct - I was concentrating on checking the keys fitted the locks rather than playing the game. Moves to follow. (In all honesty, I was expecting my Inactivity over Xmas to have spanned at least one of my Moves so I had just cleared it from my mind) On a related subject - Game 13. Now that Kevan has left, we are left with dave and myself staring across the Map at each other clutching White and Aubergince flags respectively. Is anyone else likely to join this Game of Capture the Flag, or should we abandon it and play a different individual variant instead? -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From David Kenning Mon Jan 11 07:34:09 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 21334 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jan 1999 15:27:28 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 1999 15:27:28 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04774 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:28:04 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04769 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:28:00 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA01822; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:36:08 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic@f...'" Subject: RE: MN: A New Dawn Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:00:59 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > That's probably a good idea - my only concern about egroups is the slow > response of one of the lounges (Rushton is quite variable), but otherwise > they seem to have done a good job of supporting our traffic so far. > egroups has been particularly painful over the last week or so, but unless we can find another alternative, it may be preferable to waiting for foobar to go belly up. > > I assume that you mean we should have some kind of formal state where > sections 0.4, 0.5, and 0.9 of the ruleset are suspended. > That's the idea. > > I think it may be sufficient to have an informal moratorium, although that > > rather goes against the spirit of a Nomic. > Yes, maybe nomics in general, but probably less so this one. I think it's probably a good idea to have periodic stock-taking anyway. > > And consensus is vital, but I also believe that a proposal (or two, or > three...) has to be the ultimate result of that consensus. However we look > > at it, the ruleset is still the primary Official Document of this game and > > keeping a proper record of the changes made to it is pretty important. > Oh yes, I can't disagree with you there -- I really just meant we should discuss any such proposals before submitting them rather than throw all our own separate ideas into the hat and ending up with a worse mess than we started with. dave From Mon Jan 11 08:04:45 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22878 invoked by uid 7770); 11 Jan 1999 15:57:29 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 1999 15:57:29 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06396 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:56:40 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06393 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:56:35 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA27308 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:54:48 GMT Received: from uksn43.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 11 Jan 1999 15:54:48 UT Received: by uksn43 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA10274; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:54:46 GMT Message-Id: <199901111554.PAA10274@uksn43> Date: 11 Jan 99 15:49:26 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: A New Dawn X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To:UNX8.UK.ORACLE.COM:owner-l-nomic@f...'s message of 11-Jan-99 11:00 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id PAA06394 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) >> That's probably a good idea - my only concern about egroups is the slow >> response of one of the lounges (Rushton is quite variable), but otherwise >> they seem to have done a good job of supporting our traffic so far. >egroups has been particularly painful over the last week or so, but unless >we can find another alternative, it may be preferable to waiting for foobar >to go belly up. Good point, well made. I'll sort it out (unless anyone has any objections). >> I assume that you mean we should have some kind of formal state where >> sections 0.4, 0.5, and 0.9 of the ruleset are suspended. >That's the idea. Right... one benefit of having a formal state (rather than the informal moratorium I mentioned) is that Kudos would be preserved. Without that, Kudos would decay to nothing after a few Weeks (there being very few non- Vote related bonuses). But then you know my views on Kudos already. >> And consensus is vital, but I also believe that a proposal (or two, or >> three...) has to be the ultimate result of that consensus. However we look >> at it, the ruleset is still the primary Official Document of this game and >> keeping a proper record of the changes made to it is pretty important. >Oh yes, I can't disagree with you there -- I really just meant we should >discuss any such proposals before submitting them rather than throw all our >own separate ideas into the hat and ending up with a worse mess than we >started with. I couldn't agree more. Talking of whacky ideas, I was thinking... No, better make that another message. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Tue Jan 12 04:06:41 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 22516 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jan 1999 12:06:38 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 1999 12:06:38 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08848 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:07:10 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08844 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:07:05 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA26699 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:04:58 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 12 Jan 1999 12:04:58 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA24648; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:04:55 GMT Message-Id: <199901121204.MAA24648@uks447> Date: 12 Jan 99 11:57:47 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Fwd: MN: Emergency Proposal 029 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_31580438_0_0" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) --=_ORCL_31580438_0_0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Players: I would like to draw your attention to this EP which was submitted before Christmas. I have no information regarding its current status, so I'm reissuing it. If anyone is unhappy about this, then please say. Votes to me within the next 24 hours please. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle --=_ORCL_31580438_0_0 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Date: 17 Dec 98 13:43:21 From:Kevan Davis To:Mornington Nomic Subject:MN: Emergency Proposal 029 Reply-to:UKUNIX2.UK.ORACLE.COM:l-nomic@f... 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Sender:owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk X-List-Hosted-By:Foobar Internet (sales@f...) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emergency Proposal 029 - Terminal Overload [Multiple] { Comment: Despite dave's protestations, I believe this does need fixing. Basically, a Station is always a Terminus if any Line terminates there. However, I've tidied up the Terminus Slingshot and Shunt definitions to reflect the discussion. } [Amendment: Defining Moment] Amend Rule 1.17.6 (Station Categories) such that the definition for "Terminus" reads thus: "* Terminus - A Terminus Station is a Station that has at least one Line emerging from it in only one direction. Each such Line is said to terminate at that Station. " [Amendment: Shunts for the Memory] Amend Rule 1.10.1 (A Shunting We Will Go) such that the first criterion reads thus: "* There are 'n-1' Stations between the Target Station and the Shunted Player's initial location (where 'n' is the Actioning Player's Line Velocity), or there are less than 'n-1' Stations between it and the Shunted Player's initial location, and it is also a Terminus Station for the line along which the Shunt is to be performed." [Amendment: Slingback] Amend Rule 2.4.4 (Terminus Slingshot) to read thus: "A player who finishes eir Turn at a Terminus and with the Line Code of a Line terminating there may play the 20-minute Post-Move Action of [Terminus Slingshot] and transfer eir Piece to any other Terminus on that Line provided that a straight move between the two would not involve a change of Line Direction. This action costs 1 Black Token and gains 1 Silver. " [End of Terminal Overload] { Comment: The biggest change is in the Terminus definition - the other tweaks are a lot more minor. Note that the Dead-End Shunt Rule (1.10.3) mentions Termini, but defers to the basic Shunt definition. Further, note that the Chalk Farm Rule 2.2.1 has a usage of Terminus which is already in keeping. Is that all alright? } ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raised by Dunx, 17/12/98 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_ORCL_31580438_0_0-- From duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) Tue Jan 12 13:33:02 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4465 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jan 1999 21:32:59 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 1999 21:32:59 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA11632 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:33:47 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11628 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:33:41 GMT Received: from [158.152.31.180] (helo=lazarus.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 100BPK-0000GC-00 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:31:26 +0000 From: duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 36: Proposals Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:25:30 GMT Message-ID: <369cb9d4.1833236@p...> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id VAA11629 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MORNINGTON NOMIC Proposals for Voting on in Week Thirty-Six -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There were no Proposals this Week. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) Tue Jan 12 13:33:16 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 4642 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jan 1999 21:33:13 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 1999 21:33:13 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA11630 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:33:44 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11624 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:33:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.31.180] (helo=lazarus.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 100BPJ-0000GC-00 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:31:25 +0000 From: duncan@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 36: Voting Results on Week 35 Proposals Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:25:26 GMT Message-ID: <369bb8be.1555106@p...> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id VAA11625 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Proposal Name F P A Q Result ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 577 You Bought It, You Keep It 1 1 1 3 Fails 578 Holy Smoke, Batman! - 1 2 3 Fails 579 Terminal Bore 2 1 - 3 Passes 580 Exit Stage Left 3 - - 3 Passes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie miKi Paul Riff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 577 (Dunx) - PAS - - - - AGA FOR 578 (Dunx) - PAS - - - - AGA AGA 579 (Dunx) - PAS - - - - FOR FOR 580 (Kevan) - FOR - - - - FOR FOR ----------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie miKi Paul Riff - KUDOS --------------------------------------------------------------- Initial: 3 65 6 1 0 16 9 27 Halved: 1 32 3 0 4 13 --------------------------------------------------------------- FOR Votes: +0 +3 +0 +0 +0 +0 AGA Votes: -0 -3 -0 -0 I I -0 +0 Decisiveness: +0 +3 +0 +0 n n +3 +3 Voting/Own: -0 -0 -0 -0 a a -0 -0 c c EP FOR Votes: +0 +0 +0 +0 t t +0 +0 EP AGA Votes: -0 -0 -0 -0 i i -0 -0 Finger/Pulse: +0 +0 +0 +0 v v +5 +0 e e Award Ceremony: +0 +3 +0 +0 +0 +0 [a] Kudos Gifts +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 +0 --------------------------------------------------------------- This Week: +0 +6 +0 +0 +8 +3 Final Kudos: 3 38 3 0 0 16 12 16 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- dave Dunx Grimace Jon Julie miKi Paul Riff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [a] Ruttsborough Award - none IMCS Clarity Award - none CAMREC Cleanup Award - none Mrs Trellis Award - none Clever Bear Award - none For E's A Jolly Good Fellow - Dunx (automatic) Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From Fri Jan 22 04:50:47 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16970 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jan 1999 12:50:46 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 1999 12:50:46 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA21999 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:55:19 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21995 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:55:14 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA28612; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:49:58 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 22 Jan 1999 12:49:58 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA27887; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:49:55 GMT Message-Id: <199901221249.MAA27887@uks447> Date: 22 Jan 99 12:00:49 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f..., l-nomic-d@egroups.com Subject: MN: Game States w/e 22/1/99 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) As of 12:00 GMT 22/1/99 the game states were as follows: Game List Rules To Play Last Move ------------------------------------------------------ 11 MN-L Long PaulWay 18-January-1999 13:52 [1] 12 MN-C Vanilla Drone 20-January-1999 06:19 [2] 13 MN-G Flag not in play 14 MN-B CF 84 dave 20-January-1999 09:46 15 MN-R Rutts dave 22-January-1999 02:51 [1] ... which was a Time Out. Jon has indicated he isn't going to play a Move after all, so it's down to PaulWay. [2] friend Drone is currently controlled by dave. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Fri Jan 22 07:25:33 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 17364 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jan 1999 15:25:31 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 1999 15:25:31 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA30662 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:29:53 GMT Received: from mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA30658 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:29:49 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk (gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk [193.130.129.195]) by mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA17632 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:24:33 GMT Received: from uks447.uk.oracle.com by gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk via smtpd (for mail-gw2.uk.oracle.com [193.130.129.196]) with SMTP; 22 Jan 1999 15:24:32 UT Received: by uks447 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA04718; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:24:29 GMT Message-Id: <199901221524.PAA04718@uks447> Date: 22 Jan 99 13:58:51 +0000 From: "Dunx (Duncan Ellis)" To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: New Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.2.12.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Ah, so it's back again, eh? This mailing list has been dead for some time now - about a week, I would say - and so the discussion group has been moved to an eGroups list. Check the Mornington Nomic web page for details - http://members.xoom.com/mornomic/ ... or go to the eGroups archive page for the new list - http://www.egroups.com/list/l-nomic-d/ Cheers. -- Dunx IRL: Duncan Ellis, Senior Software Engineer, Business Modelers, Oracle From Jonathan David Amery Fri Jan 22 09:35:08 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 15409 invoked by uid 7770); 22 Jan 1999 17:35:06 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 1999 17:35:06 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05467 for l-nomic-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:39:43 GMT Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05462 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:39:38 GMT Received: from jda23 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 103kTN-0000R6-00 for l-nomic@f...; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:34:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:34:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathan David Amery To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game States w/e 22/1/99 In-Reply-To: <199901221249.MAA27887@uks447> Message-ID: X-Received: from nowhere for no-one by nobody with nothing; never X-Location: Hermes Organisation: Mathmos Anon. X-AFPCode-Version: AFP Code 1.1 X-AFPCode: AM/C d? s+|- a- U++(+++) R F++(++++) h>+++ P->+++>++++ OSNS+:++ ?C M-->- pp--- L+>++++ c+++ B+>? Cn? PT+ Pu65- 5++ X? MT? e+>++>+++>++++ !r y? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) On 22 Jan 1999, Dunx (Duncan Ellis) wrote: > [1] ... which was a Time Out. Jon has indicated he isn't going to play a > Move after all, so it's down to PaulWay. > Based on the fact that I haven't had time to play a move for ages I go inactive again. Jon. From dunx@l... (Duncan Ellis) Sat Jan 23 03:59:19 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 414 invoked by uid 7770); 23 Jan 1999 11:59:17 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 1999 11:59:17 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26917 for l-nomic-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:03:27 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26914 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:03:23 GMT Received: from [158.152.31.180] (helo=lazarus.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 1041hU-0002Uv-00 for l-nomic@f...; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:58:04 +0000 From: dunx@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: Re: MN: Game States w/e 22/1/99 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:52:02 GMT Message-ID: <36aab7ba.597322@p...> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id MAA26915 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) > Based on the fact that I haven't had time to play a move for ages I go >inactive again. > > Jon. Okey dokes. Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From David Kenning Mon Jan 25 02:36:08 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 2222 invoked by uid 7770); 25 Jan 1999 10:35:58 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 1999 10:35:58 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29135 for l-nomic-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:40:29 GMT Received: from bizet.which.co.uk (bizet.which.co.uk [143.41.16.1]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29132 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:40:25 GMT Received: by bizet.which.co.uk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA08204; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:45:23 GMT Message-Id: From: David Kenning To: "'l-nomic'" Subject: MN: apologies... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:19:39 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) I know it's my turn in just about every game going. Sorry, I'm a bit busy at the mo, but if you'll bear with me I'll try to get my moves out at some time today. cheers dave From dunx@l... (Duncan Ellis) Tue Jan 26 12:51:10 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 20470 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Jan 1999 20:51:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 1999 20:51:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA03174 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:55:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03169 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:55:25 GMT Received: from [158.152.31.180] (helo=lazarus.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 105FQp-0005Rg-00; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:49:56 +0000 From: dunx@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f..., l-nomic-d@egroups.com Subject: MN: Week 37 Week End Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:43:52 GMT Message-ID: <36ae288b.260193@p...> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id UAA03170 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Not an extension, just a bit of information - the Week ended at 12:00 GMT today as usual, I just haven't got round to doing the Week End stuff. I'll do it tomorrow, once the haggis bloat has worn off. Cheers. Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From dunx@l... (Duncan Ellis) Wed Jan 27 14:50:09 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 9699 invoked by uid 7770); 27 Jan 1999 22:50:07 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 1999 22:50:07 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA17727 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:51:35 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17723 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:51:29 GMT Received: from [158.152.31.180] (helo=lazarus.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 105die-0007j2-00 for l-nomic@f...; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:45:56 +0000 From: dunx@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 38 - Results and Proposals on the Other List Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:39:46 GMT Message-ID: <36b092f3.2026537@p...> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id WAA17725 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Voting Results and Proposals for Year 2, Week 38 can be found on the new MN discussion list. Go to: http://www.egroups.com/list/l-nomic-d/ to subscribe, if you haven't done so already. Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From dunx@l... (Duncan Ellis) Tue Feb 2 15:03:25 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 26558 invoked by uid 7770); 2 Feb 1999 23:03:22 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 1999 23:03:22 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA10711 for l-nomic-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:01:02 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10601 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:00:49 GMT Received: from [158.152.31.180] (helo=lazarus.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 107oou-0000x3-00 for l-nomic@f...; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:01:24 +0000 From: dunx@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 39 - Results and Proposals on the Other List Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:55:05 GMT Message-ID: <36ba81ff.481370@p...> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id XAA10602 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Voting Results and Proposals for Year 2, Week 38 can be found on the new MN discussion list. Go to: http://www.egroups.com/list/l-nomic-d/ to subscribe, if you haven't done so already. Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From dunx@l... (Duncan Ellis) Tue Feb 9 16:33:08 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... Received: (qmail 16675 invoked by uid 7770); 10 Feb 1999 00:33:05 -0000 Received: from quark.foobar.net (194.164.91.2) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 1999 00:33:05 -0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA16079 for l-nomic-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:31:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.36]) by quark.foobar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16076 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:31:50 GMT Received: from [158.152.31.180] (helo=lazarus.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10ANZT-0004iF-00 for l-nomic@f...; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:32:03 +0000 From: dunx@l... (Duncan Ellis) To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: Year 2, Week 40 Results and Proposals Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:25:41 GMT Message-ID: <36c3d12e.943625@p...> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by quark.foobar.net id AAA16077 Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) Proposals for this Week and Results of last Week's Voting can be found on the new discussion list. Go to http://www.egroups.com/list/l-nomic-d/ for details. Dunx -- Ceci n'est pas un .sig From Graeme Jefferis Thu Feb 11 10:10:32 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: listsaver-of-l-nomic@f... 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[146.227.102.138]) by vesta.cms.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/H1.6) with ESMTP id SAA01009 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:08:28 GMT From: Graeme Jefferis Received: (from se98gj@localhost) by martinique.cs.cse.dmu.ac.uk (8.8.8/C1.5) id SAA01498 for l-nomic@f...; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:08:26 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:08:26 GMT Message-Id: <199902111808.SAA01498@m...> To: l-nomic@f... Subject: MN: eGroups... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: ztg0hb968PEu6TrwK0ybfQ== Sender: owner-l-nomic@f... Precedence: bulk Reply-To: l-nomic@f... X-List-Hosted-By: Foobar Internet (sales@f...) It appears to be just me having no luck whatsoever with the eGroups auto-bot. I'll try again momentarily... -Lazy Grimace.