From dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Thu Oct 1 10:24:45 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from dot.crosswinds.net (dot.crosswinds.net [209.112.59.66]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04796 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:24:42 -0700 Received: from sounds.u-net.com (p25.nas1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.133.25]) by dot.crosswinds.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09831 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:25:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980929183435.006ad918@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: newc_dan@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:34:35 +0100 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Aidan McLoughlin Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] ... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dragoncat.net id KAA04796 X-archive-position: 167 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net !"£$%^&*()-_=+[]{};:'@,.<>/?`¬\|~# :) /================================================================\ | Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. | | But on the other hand, you have different fingers. -- :) | \================================================================/ From dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Thu Oct 1 10:24:45 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from dot.crosswinds.net (dot.crosswinds.net [209.112.59.66]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04795 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:24:41 -0700 Received: from sounds.u-net.com (p25.nas1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.133.25]) by dot.crosswinds.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09814 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:25:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980929183330.006aca0c@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: newc_dan@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:33:30 +0100 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Aidan McLoughlin Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Returning and leaving In-Reply-To: <8025668E.002AAC60.00@sd-mta.wavetek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net At 08:47 29-09-98 +0100, you wrote: >I'm now back from vacation too. I've no idea what the current state of the >game is, so I'll vote LOYAL on everything I can, and AGAINST on everything >I can't. > >-- >The Kid I think the game is asleep at the moment. Dan /================================================================\ | Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. | | But on the other hand, you have different fingers. -- :) | \================================================================/ From frank.schmidt@docnet.de Wed Oct 7 02:59:12 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from ns (ns.docnet.de [194.122.214.66]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA32641 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 02:59:08 -0700 Received: by ns with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.17 AS-0098304) for at Wed, 7 Oct 98 11:57:30 +0200 Message-ID: <00d901bdf1d8$f3c780d0$f60010ac@EDVFRANK> From: "Frank Schmidt" To: Cc: "The People's Republic of Macronomic" Subject: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:57:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0707.2700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0707.2700 X-archive-position: 2 X-Listar-MIME-Select: Message contained multiple alternative formats; text/plain format chosen while RTF or HTML was omitted. X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: frank.schmidt@docnet.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net Hi all, I just came across the MN website and noticed that I'm still counted as vacating. What I wanted to do was to return from vacation, give my MN goods to Slakko, and leave the game. Did this mail never arrive, or did I choose a wrong format? Frank / Ember From atharrison@wavetek.com Wed Oct 7 03:08:59 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from wav.wavetek.com (wav.wavetek.com [204.94.82.12]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA32681 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:08:57 -0700 Received: from sd-mta.wavetek.com (sd-mta.wavetek.com [204.94.82.17]) by wav.wavetek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA26447; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sd-mta.wavetek.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 88256696.00383091 ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 03:13:44 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WAVETEK@MAILGATE From: "Andy T Harrison" To: macronomic@dragoncat.net cc: Frank.schmidt@docnet.de Message-ID: <80256696.0037CB55.00@sd-mta.wavetek.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:11:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko X-archive-position: 3 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: atharrison@wavetek.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net I wouldn't worry about it. I think the whole of MacroNomic has gone on permanent vacation. -- The Kid - And so dies another Nomic "Frank Schmidt" on 07/10/98 10:57:53 Please respond to macronomic@dragoncat.net To: lambda@world.std.com cc: "The People's Republic of Macronomic" Subject: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko Hi all, I just came across the MN website and noticed that I'm still counted as vacating. What I wanted to do was to return from vacation, give my MN goods to Slakko, and leave the game. Did this mail never arrive, or did I choose a wrong format? Frank / Ember From jtraub@dragoncat.net Wed Oct 7 08:52:16 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA00860 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:52:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:52:15 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: "The People's Republic of Macronomic" Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko In-Reply-To: <00d901bdf1d8$f3c780d0$f60010ac@EDVFRANK> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Frank Schmidt wrote: >Hi all, >I just came across the MN website and noticed that I'm still counted >as vacating. What I wanted to do was to return from vacation, give >my MN goods to Slakko, and leave the game. Did this mail never >arrive, or did I choose a wrong format? Frank, I did this on my assets page.. Lambda has been very idle however, and I haven't heard anything from him in quite a while. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Wed Oct 7 10:44:20 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from dot.crosswinds.net (dot.crosswinds.net [209.112.59.66]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA01434 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:44:05 -0700 Received: from sounds.u-net.com (p18.nas1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.133.18]) by dot.crosswinds.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA16083 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:44:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981006183647.006aee5c@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: newc_dan@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 18:36:47 +0100 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Aidan McLoughlin Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko In-Reply-To: <80256696.0037CB55.00@sd-mta.wavetek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 5 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net At 11:11 07-10-98 +0100, you wrote: >The Kid - And so dies another Nomic is this nomic reely ded then? I've never been present at a death before, is there a funeral or anything? Dan :) /================================================================\ | Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. | | But on the other hand, you have different fingers. -- :) | \================================================================/ From jtraub@dragoncat.net Wed Oct 7 10:47:42 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA01454 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:47:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:47:41 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981006183647.006aee5c@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 6 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Aidan McLoughlin wrote: >At 11:11 07-10-98 +0100, you wrote: > >>The Kid - And so dies another Nomic > >is this nomic reely ded then? I've never been present at a death before, >is there a funeral or anything? It can in fact still be ressurrected merely by someone noting who hasn't done or said anything in 2 weeks, removing them and figuring out who is what after that. I'd been waiting to see if people were still interested. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From tows@earthlink.net Wed Oct 7 11:46:38 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA01843 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:46:35 -0700 Received: from [168.191.57.85] (sdn-ar-001mabostP149.dialsprint.net [168.191.57.85]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03015 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00d901bdf1d8$f3c780d0$f60010ac@EDVFRANK> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:53:26 -0400 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko X-archive-position: 7 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >I just came across the MN website and noticed that I'm still counted >as vacating. What I wanted to do was to return from vacation, give >my MN goods to Slakko, and leave the game. Did this mail never >arrive, or did I choose a wrong format? We STILL haven't had an update (hint, hint). We got it though. lambda is still around. He claims he's too busy. Personally, I have no idea what's taking up so much of his time. He says he's about half way through the update. -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From tows@earthlink.net Wed Oct 7 11:57:07 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA01926 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:57:05 -0700 Received: from [168.191.57.85] (sdn-ar-001mabostP149.dialsprint.net [168.191.57.85]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02074 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:56:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19981006183647.006aee5c@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:04:22 -0400 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko X-archive-position: 8 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >It can in fact still be ressurrected merely by someone noting who hasn't >done or said anything in 2 weeks, removing them and figuring out who is >what after that. I'd been waiting to see if people were still >interested. I guess we have to. But before we do, who would do SoT? -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From jtraub@dragoncat.net Wed Oct 7 12:19:36 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA02055 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:19:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 9 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Towsner wrote: >>It can in fact still be ressurrected merely by someone noting who hasn't >>done or said anything in 2 weeks, removing them and figuring out who is >>what after that. I'd been waiting to see if people were still >>interested. > I guess we have to. But before we do, who would do SoT? I would rather not, but could if no one else was willing. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From tows@earthlink.net Wed Oct 7 12:22:12 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA02080 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:22:10 -0700 Received: from [168.191.57.85] (sdn-ar-001mabostP149.dialsprint.net [168.191.57.85]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27780 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:21:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:29:09 -0400 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko X-archive-position: 10 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >I would rather not, but could if no one else was willing. I'd be willing to split it with you. If you'll update the rules, I'll send out the proposals. -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From jtraub@dragoncat.net Wed Oct 7 12:30:19 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA02111 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:30:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:30:19 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 11 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Towsner wrote: >>I would rather not, but could if no one else was willing. > I'd be willing to split it with you. If you'll update the rules, >I'll send out the proposals. Of the two of those, keeping the rules updated seems to be the harder task, but again, I'd be willing assuming noone else wants it. Aidan? Slakko? Kid? Bueller? --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From tows@earthlink.net Wed Oct 7 13:00:54 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.85]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA02286 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:00:51 -0700 Received: from [168.191.57.85] (sdn-ar-001mabostP149.dialsprint.net [168.191.57.85]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28384 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:00:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:06:58 -0400 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko X-archive-position: 12 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >Of the two of those, keeping the rules updated seems to be the harder >task, but again, I'd be willing assuming noone else wants it. I'm not sure. If I distribute and handle votes, and someone else does the rules, it sounds about even. We can work out the final details later. So, has anyone seen lambda around lately? Ah well. As the SoT, I am going to ignore all votes cast on these proposals. I offer a Secretarylet of Truth to JT, along with 3 prop commodities. Here they are: 195: Dan Date: Aug 29/Sep 2 A player may go on vacation for not more than 6 weeks. To go on vacation, e must publicly announce eir intent to do so. When a player returns from vacation, e must publicly announce that fact, and at that point may resume all of eir duties. A player is also considered to have returned from vacation 6 weeks after e left. If a player returns while a voting period is in progress they will not lose any loyalty if they fail to vote. While a player is on vacation, e may not perform any official game action. A player on vacation may also not be penalized in any way for actions not performed while on vacation. A player on vacation may not be selected to judge a case, and if e is a Professor, e is not required to become a teaching professor. This Section takes precedence over all other Sections with which it conflicts. 196: Lambda Date: Sep 2/2 Replace the second paragraph of Section 4-0 with the following LETTHEVOTERSSEEWHATTHEYREVOTINGON-delimited text: LETTHEVOTERSSEEWHATTHEYREVOTINGON When an Internomic proposal is made, the Secretary of Love will create a INP and privately inform all of the Liasons of Sovereign Republics of it. The liaisons for each Sovereign Republic should then vote as specified by the INP. If any Republic is selected to judge an Internomic CFJ then the liason from that Republic will create an INCFJ and privately inform all of the Liasons of Sovereign Republics of it. That liason should inform Internomic of the decision of the CFJ, as decided by the INCFJ, and should write reasoning to support it. A player may submit a proposal to Internomic by privately informing the liaison of any of the Republics of the proposal they would like to make. LETTHEVOTERSSEEWHATTHEYREVOTINGON And the revised vote farm counts if JT accepts my offer: Towsner: NONE [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] JT Traub: NONE [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] The Kid: NONE [10+3(ASoF)=13] Dan: NONE [10] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: NONE [20] Please resubmit any proposals you sent lambda. -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From jtraub@dragoncat.net Wed Oct 7 13:09:56 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA02320 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:09:56 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:09:55 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 13 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Towsner wrote: >>Of the two of those, keeping the rules updated seems to be the harder >>task, but again, I'd be willing assuming noone else wants it. > I'm not sure. If I distribute and handle votes, and someone else >does the rules, it sounds about even. We can work out the final details >later. Okay :) > So, has anyone seen lambda around lately? Ah well. As the SoT, I >am going to ignore all votes cast on these proposals. I offer a >Secretarylet of Truth to JT, along with 3 prop commodities. Here they are: I accept and will have a web page up with the current rules soon. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From jtraub@dragoncat.net Wed Oct 7 20:14:05 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA04049 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:14:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:14:02 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 14 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Towsner wrote: > So, has anyone seen lambda around lately? Ah well. As the SoT, I >am going to ignore all votes cast on these proposals. I offer a >Secretarylet of Truth to JT, along with 3 prop commodities. Here they are: Okay.. I've downloaded the stuff from lambda's site and will work on bringing it up to date. I hopefully will have the up-to-date info at my site (on nausicaa.net) by this weekend. you probably want to change the 'dates' on these props though to Oct 7. >195: Dan >Date: Aug 29/Sep 2 I vote FOR this one. >196: Lambda >Date: Sep 2/2 I vote FOR this one. >Please resubmit any proposals you sent lambda. That of course requires me to find said proposals in my sent-mail folder :) --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From lambda@world.std.com Wed Oct 7 21:10:15 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA04285 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:10:11 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id AAA06842; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [198.114.8.180] (door1.lotus.com) by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA16831; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:09:18 -0400 Date: 8 Oct 98 00:15:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko From: "Brian Campbell" To: macronomic@dragoncat.net X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 15 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: lambda@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >>Of the two of those, keeping the rules updated seems to be the harder >>task, but again, I'd be willing assuming noone else wants it. > I'm not sure. If I distribute and handle votes, and someone else >does the rules, it sounds about even. We can work out the final details >later. > So, has anyone seen lambda around lately? Ah well. As the SoT, I >am going to ignore all votes cast on these proposals. I offer a >Secretarylet of Truth to JT, along with 3 prop commodities. Here they are: > >195: Dan >Date: Aug 29/Sep 2 > A player may go on vacation for not more than 6 weeks. To go on >vacation, e must publicly announce eir intent to do so. When a player >returns from vacation, e must publicly announce that fact, and at that >point may resume all of eir duties. A player is also considered to have >returned from vacation 6 weeks after e left. If a player returns while a >voting period is in progress they will not lose any loyalty if they fail to >vote. > > While a player is on vacation, e may not perform any official game >action. A player on vacation may also not be penalized in any way for >actions not performed while on vacation. A player on vacation may not be >selected to judge a case, and if e is a Professor, e is not required to >become a teaching professor. This Section takes precedence over all other >Sections with which it conflicts. > >196: Lambda >Date: Sep 2/2 > Replace the second paragraph of Section 4-0 with the following >LETTHEVOTERSSEEWHATTHEYREVOTINGON-delimited text: >LETTHEVOTERSSEEWHATTHEYREVOTINGON > When an Internomic proposal is made, the Secretary of Love will >create a INP and privately inform all of the Liasons of Sovereign Republics >of it. The liaisons for each Sovereign Republic should then vote as >specified by the INP. If any Republic is selected to judge an Internomic >CFJ then the liason from that Republic will create an INCFJ and privately >inform all of the Liasons of Sovereign Republics of it. That liason should >inform Internomic of the decision of the CFJ, as decided by the INCFJ, and >should write reasoning to support it. A player may submit a proposal to >Internomic by privately informing the liaison of any of the Republics of >the proposal they would like to make. >LETTHEVOTERSSEEWHATTHEYREVOTINGON > >And the revised vote farm counts if JT accepts my offer: > >Towsner: NONE [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] >JT Traub: NONE [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] >The Kid: NONE [10+3(ASoF)=13] >Dan: NONE [10] >Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation >Slakko: NONE [20] > >Please resubmit any proposals you sent lambda. I note that you haven't actually noted that I've been away, you've just noted the fact that if you do, I'd be removed from the game. And since I'm the one noting this fact, it is null and void, as saying that I haven't said anything is aying something. (BTW, if you really want to be picky, I did say "!" less that 2 weeks ago) and I'm still a player. So, I make official the transfer of the SoT to Henry. By the way, I don't think you need to resubmit anything, since I've sent all of the undistributed proposals I have to JT and Henry. And I vote FOR all proposals I possibly can, just to help get the nomic moving again, since it was my fault that it fell into a state of disrepair. I humbly apologise to everyone for the trouble. I grovel at your feet. I submit myself to public humiliation. I give 1 of each type of proposal commodity to each player. --- Brian Campbell (AKA lambda) Visit my webpage: http://world.std.com/~campbell/Brian/ Visit the Latin Club webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/ Visit the MacroNomic webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/macronomic/ ---------- Nihil sub sole novum. From jtraub@dragoncat.net Wed Oct 7 22:37:55 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA04525 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:37:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:37:54 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 16 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On 8 Oct 1998, Brian Campbell wrote: >I note that you haven't actually noted that I've been away, you've just >noted the fact that if you do, I'd be removed from the game. And since I'm >the one noting this fact, it is null and void, as saying that I haven't >said anything is aying something. (BTW, if you really want to be picky, I >did say "!" less that 2 weeks ago) and I'm still a player. So, I make >official the transfer of the SoT to Henry. By the way, I don't think you >need to resubmit anything, since I've sent all of the undistributed >proposals I have to JT and Henry. And I vote FOR all proposals I possibly >can, just to help get the nomic moving again, since it was my fault that it >fell into a state of disrepair. I humbly apologise to everyone for the >trouble. I grovel at your feet. I submit myself to public humiliation. I >give 1 of each type of proposal commodity to each player. Well, I'm glad you are still around. If you still wish to maintain the website and such, I would happily leave that with you as I (honestly) don't have the time for it and would only have done it in extremis. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Thu Oct 8 11:32:06 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from dot.crosswinds.net (dot.crosswinds.net [209.112.59.66]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA06845 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:32:03 -0700 Received: from sounds.u-net.com (p49.nas1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.133.49]) by dot.crosswinds.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA25588 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:32:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981007192932.006ad754@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: newc_dan@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 19:29:32 +0100 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Aidan McLoughlin Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dragoncat.net id LAA06845 X-archive-position: 17 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net At 22:37 07-10-98 -0700, you wrote: > >Well, I'm glad you are still around. If you still wish to maintain the >website and such, I would happily leave that with you as I (honestly) >don't have the time for it and would only have done it in extremis. > >--JT I might possibly be able to look after the website, although i am a little inexperianced in website management (i can make em but i've never published one before) and in nomic affairs in general (only joined this year remember, or woz it last year? :) Dan ps. thanx for the commod's lambda, very nice gesture, I, at least, forgive your offence. ________ / ¬ ¬ \ | 0 0 | | ^^ | /========| __ |========\ || __ \__ __/ __ || || / \ '--' / \ || || |||| |||| || || ```` ```` || \==========================/ (any one got any rotten tomatoes? :P ) /================================================================\ | Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. | | But on the other hand, you have different fingers. -- :) | \================================================================/ From lambda@world.std.com Thu Oct 8 14:11:31 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA07345 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:11:28 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA24914; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [198.114.8.180] (door1.lotus.com) by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA16173; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:08:23 -0400 Date: 8 Oct 98 17:14:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko From: "Brian Campbell" To: macronomic@dragoncat.net X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 18 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: lambda@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >Well, I'm glad you are still around. If you still wish to maintain the >website and such, I would happily leave that with you as I (honestly) >don't have the time for it and would only have done it in extremis. No, the reason I've not made any updates in a while is that I haven't had time to make updates either. I'd be willing to help, but I can't keep up the website. (During the summer I had plenty of time, but now that school has started, I don't have the time to do both the website and my homework). --- Brian Campbell (AKA lambda) Visit my webpage: http://world.std.com/~campbell/Brian/ Visit the Latin Club webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/ Visit the MacroNomic webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/macronomic/ ---------- Nihil sub sole novum. From tows@earthlink.net Thu Oct 8 15:05:03 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA07517 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:04:59 -0700 Received: from [168.191.57.185] (sdn-ar-002mabostP121.dialsprint.net [168.191.57.185]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20991 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:03:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:24:59 -0400 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: [MacroNomic] NWO X-archive-position: 19 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net Just in case, I offer JT the ASoT again. -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From lambda@world.std.com Thu Oct 8 16:11:51 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA07744 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:11:47 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id TAA11934; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [198.114.8.180] (door1.lotus.com) by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA23425; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:17:39 -0400 Date: 8 Oct 98 17:23:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko From: "Brian Campbell" To: macronomic@dragoncat.net X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 20 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: lambda@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net > >I might possibly be able to look after the website, although i am a little >inexperianced in website management (i can make em but i've never published >one before) and in nomic affairs in general (only joined this year >remember, or woz it last year? :) Well, I was pretty inexperienced before I did the MacroNomic site, and I found that keeping it up was good for learning HTML and web site maintenence, and learning the rules of the nomic. I joined the nomic in about may, and took over the SoT in June, and I'd only been in one other nomic before (that died pretty quickly). So give it a shot, its an educational experience, but remember to get out of it if it overwhelms you. BTW, I think you should reset your clock or date on your computer, the time stamps on your emails are pretty strange, and that causes my email client to put the messages out of order. --- Brian Campbell (AKA lambda) Visit my webpage: http://world.std.com/~campbell/Brian/ Visit the Latin Club webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/ Visit the MacroNomic webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/macronomic/ ---------- Nihil sub sole novum. From dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Fri Oct 9 10:15:08 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from dot.crosswinds.net (dot.crosswinds.net [209.112.59.66]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA11790 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:15:05 -0700 Received: from sounds.u-net.com (p48.nas1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.133.48]) by dot.crosswinds.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA22423 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:15:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981009181131.006b1ac4@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: newc_dan@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:11:31 +0100 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Aidan McLoughlin Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 21 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net At 17:23 08-10-98 -0400, you wrote: >BTW, I think you should reset your clock or date on your computer, the time >stamps on your emails are pretty strange, and that causes my email client >to put the messages out of order. > I'll have you know my computert clock is set by some atomic clocks somewhere in a satelite or something :) the time is right where i live, the uk. So you want me to run the website then? it'll take a couple of weeks to sort it out but i'll give it a shot. Dan /================================================================\ | Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. | | But on the other hand, you have different fingers. -- :) | \================================================================/ From lambda@world.std.com Sat Oct 10 00:05:23 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA14623 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:05:21 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id CAA00206; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [198.114.8.180] (door1.lotus.com) by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA04411; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:30:14 -0400 Date: 10 Oct 98 02:36:15 -0400 Subject: [MacroNomic] Re: I would like to join MacroNomic From: "Brian Campbell" To: "Gunnar AAstrand Grimnes" , macronomic@dragoncat.net X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 22 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: lambda@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >I would like to Join MacroNomic, after having seen the lamdba web page. > > >Gunnar AAstrand Grimnes >u05gag@abdn.ac.uk Well, that page is a little out of date, and we are working on getting a new one up. However, you still can join, it will just be a little harder to understand what's going on without a good reference. To play the game, send the message "subscribe" in either the subject or the body of an email to , and we'll be happy to get you started, and help you out. To all you older Macrons out there, we've got a new player here. Various secretaries should perform their duties and give him whatever objects he needs. What I can remember off the top of my head are 1 of each type of proposal commodity and 10 acres of farmland, a professor (Has Henry's position as prof. expired yet?), and of course 0 Loyalty and 0 Trotsky Points. (Note to Gunnar: We are slightly mixed up currently, and I'm writing this at 2:30 AM, so I may have forgotton something, or not made any sense at all. Don't worry, it'll get better) --- Brian Campbell (AKA lambda) Visit my webpage: http://world.std.com/~campbell/Brian/ Visit the Latin Club webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/ Visit the MacroNomic webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/macronomic/ ---------- Nihil sub sole novum. From lambda@world.std.com Sat Oct 10 00:05:28 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA14630 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:05:26 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id CAA28640; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [198.114.8.180] (door1.lotus.com) by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA01569; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:17:07 -0400 Date: 10 Oct 98 02:23:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko From: "Brian Campbell" To: macronomic@dragoncat.net X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 23 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: lambda@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >At 17:23 08-10-98 -0400, you wrote: >>BTW, I think you should reset your clock or date on your computer, the time >>stamps on your emails are pretty strange, and that causes my email client >>to put the messages out of order. >> > >I'll have you know my computert clock is set by some atomic clocks >somewhere in a satelite or something :) > >the time is right where i live, the uk. Perhaps you should check your date then. Here are the timestamps in correct thread order: My mesage: >Date: 8 Oct 98 00:15:16 -0400 JT's reply: >Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Your reply to JT's reply: >Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 19:29:32 +0100 Converting everything to GMT gives us: My message: 8 Oct 1998 4:15:16 JT's Reply: 8 Oct 1998 5:37:54 Your reply to JT's reply: 7 Oct 1998 18:29:32 If I did all of my calculations right, it seems that you're a day off. >So you want me to run the website then? it'll take a couple of weeks to >sort it out but i'll give it a shot. It depends on what JT wants; if he thinks he has enough time, then he can do it, but if he wants to pass it off to you, I think that would be OK, too. --- Brian Campbell (AKA lambda) Visit my webpage: http://world.std.com/~campbell/Brian/ Visit the Latin Club webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/ Visit the MacroNomic webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/macronomic/ ---------- Nihil sub sole novum. From jtraub@dragoncat.net Sat Oct 10 00:28:08 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA14720 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:28:08 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:28:07 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Giving everything to Slakko In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 24 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On 10 Oct 1998, Brian Campbell wrote: >>So you want me to run the website then? it'll take a couple of weeks to >>sort it out but i'll give it a shot. > >It depends on what JT wants; if he thinks he has enough time, then he can >do it, but if he wants to pass it off to you, I think that would be OK, >too. I know in fact that I really don't have the time to do it, so would be greatful of Aidan doing it. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From jtraub@dragoncat.net Sat Oct 10 00:37:15 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA14791 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:37:15 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:37:15 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] NWO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 25 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Towsner wrote: > Just in case, I offer JT the ASoT again. If Dan takes over the web site, perhaps he will wish to take over this as well? If he does, he is certainly more deserving of this than I am. However, in the meantime, I accept. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Sat Oct 10 04:28:03 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from dot.crosswinds.net (dot.crosswinds.net [209.112.59.66]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA15690 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:28:00 -0700 Received: from sounds.u-net.com (p61.nas1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.133.61]) by dot.crosswinds.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA04408 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:29:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981010122533.006ae2f0@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: newc_dan@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:25:33 +0100 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Aidan McLoughlin Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] NWO In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 26 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net At 00:37 10-10-98 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Towsner wrote: >> Just in case, I offer JT the ASoT again. > >If Dan takes over the web site, perhaps he will wish to take over this as >well? If he does, he is certainly more deserving of this than I am. >However, in the meantime, I accept. > >--JT That does sound sensible, like i sed, i'll give it a shot but i have a feeling that i won't be able to keep it up forever, right now i'm just starting my a-levels and the werk isn't 2 tuff, but it'll get harder. I'll try and do it for as long as is humanly possible though. BTW wasn't there some talk a while back about automating the distribution of props? perhaps if we got that working, you (Towsner) could take over the website and become the entire SoT. To summarise i will accept the ASoT if i am offered it but am making no promises about keeping it up forever. Dan ps. i have downloaded lambda's site and am in the throws of playing around with it a bit. pps. my time and date are all correct, as i write this it is saturday the 10th of October 1998. The time on my computer is 12:25. I am just about to send this e-mail. IT'S NOT MY FAULT!!!!! /================================================================\ | Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. | | But on the other hand, you have different fingers. -- :) | \================================================================/ From atharrison@wavetek.com Mon Oct 12 01:20:57 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from wav.wavetek.com (wav.wavetek.com [204.94.82.12]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA24605 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:20:55 -0700 Received: from sd-mta.wavetek.com (sd-mta.wavetek.com [204.94.82.17]) by wav.wavetek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA08698 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sd-mta.wavetek.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 8825669B.0032ACE1 ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:20:53 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WAVETEK@MAILGATE From: "Andy T Harrison" To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Message-ID: <8025669B.002CE9DD.00@sd-mta.wavetek.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:13:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] NWO X-archive-position: 27 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: atharrison@wavetek.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net I'm also in the UK and my headers say 12:25 on 10th October, so I rekon Aidans clock is fine. For reference, it's currently 9:08 on 12th October. See if that matches the headers..... -- The Kid >pps. my time and date are all correct, as i write this it is saturday the >10th of October 1998. The time on my computer is 12:25. I am just about >to send this e-mail. IT'S NOT MY FAULT!!!!! From lambda@world.std.com Mon Oct 12 11:11:28 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA26394 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:11:25 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id OAA26432; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [198.114.8.180] (door1.lotus.com) by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA29581; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:11:05 -0400 Date: 12 Oct 98 14:17:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] NWO From: "Brian Campbell" To: macronomic@dragoncat.net X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 28 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: lambda@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >I'm also in the UK and my headers say 12:25 on 10th October, so I rekon >Aidans clock is fine. For reference, it's currently 9:08 on 12th October. >See if that matches the headers..... > >-- >The Kid > > >>pps. my time and date are all correct, as i write this it is saturday the >>10th of October 1998. The time on my computer is 12:25. I am just about >>to send this e-mail. IT'S NOT MY FAULT!!!!! > Yes, now his headers say the right thing, but they were a day off. I guess it must have been fixed already. Or maybe my email client was doing strange things, but only with his messages. --- Brian Campbell (AKA lambda) Visit my webpage: http://world.std.com/~campbell/Brian/ Visit the Latin Club webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/ Visit the MacroNomic webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/macronomic/ ---------- Nihil sub sole novum. From tows@earthlink.net Tue Oct 13 15:46:46 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA31533 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:46:44 -0700 Received: from [168.191.57.25] (sdn-ar-001mabostP017.dialsprint.net [168.191.57.25]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02239 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:46:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:54:32 -0400 To: MacroNomic From: Towsner Subject: [MacroNomic] Votes X-archive-position: 29 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net I'm sending out results tomorrow, so you'd all better vote. Also, may I suggest that we create a centralized place for the players list (like geocities) so that all the player information is on one page maintained by all of the responsible players? -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From atharrison@wavetek.com Wed Oct 14 00:47:29 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from wav.wavetek.com (wav.wavetek.com [204.94.82.12]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA00929 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:47:27 -0700 Received: from sd-mta.wavetek.com (sd-mta.wavetek.com [204.94.82.17]) by wav.wavetek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA02330 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sd-mta.wavetek.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 8825669D.002ABF9E ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:46:55 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WAVETEK@MAILGATE From: "Andy T Harrison" To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Message-ID: <8025669D.002B190E.00@sd-mta.wavetek.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:51:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Votes X-archive-position: 30 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: atharrison@wavetek.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net I've no idea if I've voted on anything, or what there is to vote for. So I vote LOYAL on everything RP and FOR on everything Prole. -- The Kid From u05gag@abdn.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 05:08:33 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from mailhub.abdn.ac.uk (mailhub.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.7.23]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA01672 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:07:56 -0700 Received: from sysa.abdn.ac.uk (sysa.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.7.110]) by mailhub.abdn.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17131 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:07:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost by sysa.abdn.ac.uk; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:07:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:07:27 +0100 (BST) From: u05gag To: "Macronomic mailing list." Subject: [MacroNomic] I would like to know what we are voting for? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 31 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: u05gag@abdn.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net Can anyone tell me what we are voting for, I havn't got a clue... - Gunnar From dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Wed Oct 14 10:09:02 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from dot.crosswinds.net (dot.crosswinds.net [209.112.59.66]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA02581 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:08:59 -0700 Received: from sounds.u-net.com (p3.nas1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.133.3]) by dot.crosswinds.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA12752 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:10:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981014180824.006b76ec@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: newc_dan@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:08:24 +0100 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Aidan McLoughlin Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] I would like to know what we are voting for? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 32 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net At 13:07 14-10-98 +0100, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me what we are voting for, I havn't got a clue... we are voting on two proposals, they are: 195: Dan Date: Aug 29/Sep 2 A player may go on vacation for not more than 6 weeks. To go on vacation, e must publicly announce eir intent to do so. When a player returns from vacation, e must publicly announce that fact, and at that point may resume all of eir duties. A player is also considered to have returned from vacation 6 weeks after e left. If a player returns while a voting period is in progress they will not lose any loyalty if they fail to vote. While a player is on vacation, e may not perform any official game action. A player on vacation may also not be penalized in any way for actions not performed while on vacation. A player on vacation may not be selected to judge a case, and if e is a Professor, e is not required to become a teaching professor. This Section takes precedence over all other Sections with which it conflicts. 196: Lambda Date: Sep 2/2 Replace the second paragraph of Section 4-0 with the following LETTHEVOTERSSEEWHATTHEYREVOTINGON-delimited text: LETTHEVOTERSSEEWHATTHEYREVOTINGON When an Internomic proposal is made, the Secretary of Love will create a INP and privately inform all of the Liasons of Sovereign Republics of it. The liaisons for each Sovereign Republic should then vote as specified by the INP. If any Republic is selected to judge an Internomic CFJ then the liason from that Republic will create an INCFJ and privately inform all of the Liasons of Sovereign Republics of it. That liason should inform Internomic of the decision of the CFJ, as decided by the INCFJ, and should write reasoning to support it. A player may submit a proposal to Internomic by privately informing the liaison of any of the Republics of the proposal they would like to make. LETTHEVOTERSSEEWHATTHEYREVOTINGON Towsner sent out an e-mail a while ago i vote loyal on lambda's (196) and the other is mine :) /================================================================\ | Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. | | But on the other hand, you have different fingers. -- :) | \================================================================/ From lambda@world.std.com Wed Oct 14 14:38:47 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA03557 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:38:44 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA08789; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [198.114.8.180] (door1.lotus.com) by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA15013; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:38:21 -0400 Date: 14 Oct 98 17:44:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Votes From: "Brian Campbell" To: macronomic@dragoncat.net X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 33 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: lambda@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net I vote FOR both props. --- Brian Campbell (AKA lambda) Visit my webpage: http://world.std.com/~campbell/Brian/ Visit the Latin Club webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/ Visit the MacroNomic webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/macronomic/ ---------- Nihil sub sole novum. From tows@earthlink.net Wed Oct 14 14:43:11 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA03581 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:43:00 -0700 Received: from [168.191.54.199] (sdn-ar-002mabostP269.dialsprint.net [168.191.54.199]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18514 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:42:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:50:47 -0400 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: [MacroNomic] Proposal Results X-archive-position: 34 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net There are going to be some formatting changes. I'm not going to record that date things were proposed (it's unimportant, confusing, and a pain). Also, votes with * by them are Trotsky votes. That's all I can think of so far. New props are coming out Thursday. 195: Dan Date: Sep 2 A player may go on vacation for not more than 6 weeks. To go on vacation, e must publicly announce eir intent to do so. When a player returns from vacation, e must publicly announce that fact, and at that point may resume all of eir duties. A player is also considered to have returned from vacation 6 weeks after e left. If a player returns while a voting period is in progress they will not lose any loyalty if they fail to vote. While a player is on vacation, e may not perform any official game action. A player on vacation may also not be penalized in any way for actions not performed while on vacation. A player on vacation may not be selected to judge a case, and if e is a Professor, e is not required to become a teaching professor. This Section takes precedence over all other Sections with which it conflicts. Lambda: FOR[16] Towsner: FOR [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] JT Traub: FOR [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] The Kid: AGAINST [10+3(ASoF)=13] Dan: FOR [10] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: LOYAL [20] (FOR) Passes 196: Lambda Date: Sep 2 Replace the second paragraph of Section 4-0 with the following LETTHEVOTERSSEEWHATTHEYREVOTINGON-delimited text: LETTHEVOTERSSEEWHATTHEYREVOTINGON When an Internomic proposal is made, the Secretary of Love will create a INP and privately inform all of the Liasons of Sovereign Republics of it. The liaisons for each Sovereign Republic should then vote as specified by the INP. If any Republic is selected to judge an Internomic CFJ then the liason from that Republic will create an INCFJ and privately inform all of the Liasons of Sovereign Republics of it. That liason should inform Internomic of the decision of the CFJ, as decided by the INCFJ, and should write reasoning to support it. A player may submit a proposal to Internomic by privately informing the liaison of any of the Republics of the proposal they would like to make. LETTHEVOTERSSEEWHATTHEYREVOTINGON Lambda: FOR[16] *Towsner: AGAINST [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] JT Traub: FOR [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] The Kid: LOYAL [10+3(ASoF)=13] (FOR) Dan: LOYAL [10] (FOR) Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: LOYAL [20] (FOR) Passes -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From jtraub@dragoncat.net Wed Oct 14 20:37:27 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA04650 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:37:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:37:27 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Proposal Results In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 35 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Towsner wrote: > There are going to be some formatting changes. I'm not going to >record that date things were proposed (it's unimportant, confusing, and a >pain). Also, votes with * by them are Trotsky votes. That's all I can >think of so far. New props are coming out Thursday. I have updated the assets page with these. I did *not* give the RP any vouchers for the weeks when everyone seemed dead to the world and would support a proposal to time warp those weeks out of existance. Just so that anyone who doesn't recall knows, the assets page is at http://www.nausicaa.net/~jtraub/macro/assets.html I also resign as the active secretarylet of truth (I really don't have the time for keeping the rules page for here up to date). --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From tows@earthlink.net Thu Oct 15 12:27:54 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07961 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:27:51 -0700 Received: from [168.191.57.162] (sdn-ar-002mabostP074.dialsprint.net [168.191.57.162]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07270 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:27:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 03:31:17 +0100 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Proposal Results X-archive-position: 36 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >I also resign as the active secretarylet of truth (I really don't have the >time for keeping the rules page for here up to date). Dan, will you do it? -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From tows@earthlink.net Thu Oct 15 14:55:25 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA08355 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:55:22 -0700 Received: from [168.191.57.162] (sdn-ar-002mabostP074.dialsprint.net [168.191.57.162]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28179 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:54:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:00:26 +0100 To: MacroNomic From: Towsner Subject: [MacroNomic] Rules X-archive-position: 37 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net The fully updated rules are at home.earthlink.net/~tows/macronomic/Rules.html now I just have to hope my english teacher doesn't collect our journals... -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Fri Oct 16 10:08:26 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from dot.crosswinds.net (dot.crosswinds.net [209.112.59.66]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA11978 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:08:22 -0700 Received: from sounds.u-net.com (p24.nas1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.133.24]) by dot.crosswinds.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA24207 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:09:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981016180820.006b3274@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: newc_dan@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:08:20 +0100 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Aidan McLoughlin Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Proposal Results In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 38 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net At 03:31 27-08-70 +0100, you wrote: >>I also resign as the active secretarylet of truth (I really don't have the >>time for keeping the rules page for here up to date). > Dan, will you do it? > >-- >-Henry Towsner Ok, just tell me exactly wot u want me to do, i'm a little unclear. Dan /================================================================\ | Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. | | But on the other hand, you have different fingers. -- :) | \================================================================/ From tows@earthlink.net Fri Oct 16 18:33:59 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA13683 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:33:58 -0700 Received: from [168.191.54.161] (sdn-ar-001mabostP295.dialsprint.net [168.191.54.161]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05574 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:33:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981016180820.006b3274@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Proposal Results X-archive-position: 40 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >Ok, just tell me exactly wot u want me to do, i'm a little unclear. Adjust the rules when new proposals are passed. -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From tows@earthlink.net Fri Oct 16 18:33:57 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA13679 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:33:53 -0700 Received: from [168.191.54.161] (sdn-ar-001mabostP295.dialsprint.net [168.191.54.161]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05454 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:33:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: [MacroNomic] New Proposals X-archive-position: 39 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net 197: Henry Date: Oct 15 Create rule 4-0-0-2, "Foreign Relations" with the following REALPOLITIK-delimited text REALPOLITIK The Foreign Relations of the Sovereign Republics (as described by Internomic's rules) are determined by two things. Some relations are determined by "Standing Orders", which are descendants of 4-0-0-2-0. The remaining relations can be changed by a Letter of Marque and Reprisal. A Letter of Marque and Reprisal may not change a relation such that it would conflict with a Standing Order. If a relation with a nomic has not been specified by one of these methods, it is neutral. REALPOLITIK Create rule 4-0-0-2-0 "Standing Orders" reading "All descendants of this rule are standing orders." Create rule 4-0-0-2-1, "Letters of Marque and Reprisal" with the following LMR-delimited text LMR A Letter of Marque and Reprisal is a referendum. The Secretary of Love is the accountant for them. Any player may issue one by sending it to the Secretary of Love. They may only contain changes to the relation of a sovereign republic to another nomic. Only liaisons may vote on them. When two liaisons have voted the same way, the Letter will become inactive immediately. When a Letter of Marque and Reprisal becomes inactive, if a majority of votes are FOR, then the changes to relations will be enacted unless they conflict with a Standing Order. LMR Create rule 4-0-0-2-0-0, "Opponents of Expansion" with the following REVENGE delimited text REVENGE Any nomic which has voted against a proposal to make a Sovereign Republic a voting member of Internomic will be an enemy of all Sovereign Republics. REVENGE 198: Henry Date: Oct 15 Create rule 8, "The Underworld" with the following DISHONEST-delimited text. DISHONEST There are a number of underworld organizations. It is a criminal offense to have any dealings with them. DISHONEST Create rule 8-0, "The Sabateurs" with the following NAUGHTYNAUGHTY delimited text NAUGHTYNAUGHTY The sabateurs are an underworld organization and an entity. A player who has at least 7 vouchers may deal with them by publicly stating that they want the sabateurs to sabatoge a given player. 7 vouchers will be taken from the requesting player and given to the sabateurs, and one vote farm in the possesion of the named player is destroyed. Whenever the sabateurs have at least 10 vouchers, they get bold and destroy a vote farm owned by a member of the Revolutionary Party, but lose 10 vouchers. NAUGHTYNAUGHTY [Anyone can do this, but for non RP's it's a crime-and the RP isn't likely to be happy about it. As for RP's, the boldness thing is a good reason for RP's not to get into a fight] 199: JT Date: Oct 15 Spreading around the power Amend Section 2-4-1, Upon Winning, sub-section c by replacing the current text as delimited by OLD OLD c. The Winning Player names two other players. OLD with the following text as delimited by NEW NEW c. The Winning Player names two other players. At least one of the three players must not be a member of the current Revolutionary Party. NEW All this does is give someone else a chance to be part of the ruling party. (basically, the ruling party cannot stay in power for perpetuity) 200: JT Date: Oct 15 Quack? No, Huac! This is a nomination proposal. Philo is a member of HUAC. Towsner is a member of HUAC. 201: Slakko Date: Oct 15 Amend Section 3-2-2-1-0 by replacing the text "break an oath" with "break that oath". [Note: Otherwise a player with oaths to multiple other players commits a crime against them all when a single oath is broken.] 202: Henry Date: Oct 15 Create a new child of rule 3, "Motions" reading as delimited by ROBERTSRULESOFORDER ROBERTSRULESOFORDER Motions are a type of referenda. All motions must be made to an Assembly. The Accountant for a motion is the Moderator of the Assembly the motion is made to. All members and only members of the Assembly may vote on a motion unless a rule allows a more or less limited voting group for an Assembly. A motion becomes inactive if it has been a highest level motion for at least one week, or another rule specifies that it becomes inactive. A motion is made by informing the Moderator for that Assembly, only a player who could vote on the motion may make it. Motions are given a name which is the name of the Assembly they were made to followed by the lowest positive integer to make it a unique name. When a motion becomes inactive, if more players voted FOR than AGAINST, it is accepted, otherwise it fails. A given type of motion is ether Primary, Secondary or Internal, and either Final or Buildable. The default values are Internal and Final. Secondary motions are either Exclusive or Polite, Exclusive by default. Primary motions may only made to an Assembly if the floor is clear. Secondary motions may only be made on top of Buildable motions which do not have an Exclusive Secondary motion on top of them. Internal motions may only be made is specifically allowed for the relevant type of Assembly. ROBERTSRULESOFORDER Create a child of "Motions", "Assemblies" reading as delimited by CALLEDBYDRWEINTRAUB CALLEDBYDRWEINTRAUB An Assembly is a group of players. An Assembly's Floor is always clear unless otherwise specified. CALLEDBYDRWEINTRAUB Create a new child of "Assemblies", "Drafting Assemblies" with the following CALLEDBYANYONE delimited text. CALLEDBYANYONE A Drafting Assembly is a type of Assembly. Any player may create a Drafting Assembly by publicly announcing that e intends to do so, along with the initial text for a proposal; that player becomes the Moderator for the Assembly. The initial text becomes the text of the Assembly, and is altered by Primary motions to amend, which may be made to Drafting Assemblies. Any player may join or leave a Drafting Assembly by publicly asking to. A Motion to Propose and Adjourn may be made to a Drafting Assemblies. CALLEDBYANYONE Create a child of "Motions", "Motion to Close", reading as delimited by TABLEINDEFINATELY TABLEINDEFINATELY A Motion to Close is a Secondary Polite Final motion. If it is accepted, the motion it applies to immediately becomes inactive and all motions above that motion become and active and fail; this sentence takes precedence over "Motions". TABLEINDEFINATELY Create a child of "Motions", "Motion to Amend", reading as delimited by TWEAKINGHERE TWEAKINGHERE A Motion to Amend is a Buildable motion, and can be either Primary or Secondary Polite. If it is accepted as a Secondary motion, the motion it applies to is amended is specified in the motion. If it is accepted as a Primary motion the effect is specified by the Assembly. Primary Motions to Amend may only be made if explicitly permitted by the Assembly it is made to. TWEAKINGHERE Create a child of "Motions", "Motion to Adjourn", reading as delimited by DISSOLVE DISSOLVE A Motion to Adjourn is an Internal Final motion. If it is accepted all active Motions to the Assembly become inactive and the Assembly is destroyed. DISSOLVE Create a child of "Drafting Assemblies", "Motion to Propose and Adjourn" with the following LONGNAME delimited text LONGNAME A Motion to Propose and Adjourn is an Internal Final motion. If it is accepted all active Motions to the Assembly become inactive, the Assembly is destroyed, and a proposal is made with the text of the Drafting Assembly and the members of the Assembly in the order they joined; this sentence takes precedence over section 3. LONGNAME 203: Henry Date: Oct 15 This is a postemptive proposal. Renumber section 4 to 100, section 6 to 4, section 5 to 6 and section 100 to 5. Objects are much more central to the rules than education and foreign affairs, and should be nearer to players and referenda. 204: Henry Date: Oct 15 In rule 3-2-2 replace "A trial may not be called if there are fewer than five non-vacationing, graduated players." 205: Henry Date: Oct 15 Create a new child of "Foreign Affairs", "Ambassador" with the following FRIENDS delimited text FRIENDS An Ambassador is an appointed Secretaryship. There is one for every game of nomic in existance. An Ambassadorship is not filled unless explicitly appointed; it never reverts by default to the Secretary of the Central Committee; this sentence takes precedence over all other rules. An Ambassador is expected to remain in communication with the nomic they are Ambassador to and to convey information between the nomics. An Ambassador is expected to pursue friendly relations between MacroNomic and the nomic to which they are an Ambassador, and should encourage both nomics to find areas they are able to work together in. FRIENDS 206: Henry Date: Oct 15 Create rule 3-2-2-2-1, "Verbing" with the following ADJECTIVE-delimited text. ADJECTIVE It is the crime of verbing for a player to publicly verb (i.e. create a verb from a word which is not a verb). ADJECTIVE 207: Henry Date: Oct 15 Amend rule 3-1-0 to read "The set of legal votes on a Proposal is FOR, AGAINST, LOYAL, ATTEMPTED, DIGNIFIED SILENCE, and NONE. A vote of LOYAL may not be cast on a proposal that is made by a player who is a Prole. An attempt to do so will have no effect on the game. When a proposal is created, the vote of the player who made it is initially FOR; the vote of every other player is initially NONE. Only members of the Revolutionary Party may make a vote of DIGNIFIED SILENCE. Votes of DIGNIFIED SILENCE are ignored when determining the results of a proposal. When a member of the Revolutionary Party votes DIGNIFIED SILENCE, no member of the Revolutionary Party receives a Trotsky point for that proposal. No player may change eir vote to ATTEMPTED. If a player's vote is deinvalidized, it is changed to ATTEMPTED and becomes protected." 208: Lambda Date: Oct 15 Amend Section 3-2-2-1-2 to read in full the following SECRETARYLETSHAVEACCESSTOMOREINFORMATIONTOO-delimited text: SECRETARYLETSHAVEACCESSTOMOREINFORMATIONTOO If the Secretary or a Secretarylet of Truth submits a proposal using knowledge of proposals submitted but not distributed then the Secretary or Secretarylet of Truth has commited the Civil Crime of Prior Knowledge against the authors of the not-yet-distributed proposals. SECRETARYLETSHAVEACCESSTOMOREINFORMATIONTOO -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From tows@earthlink.net Fri Oct 16 18:56:12 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA13758 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:56:10 -0700 Received: from [168.191.54.161] (sdn-ar-001mabostP295.dialsprint.net [168.191.54.161]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA11399 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:55:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] New Proposals X-archive-position: 41 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >199: JT FOR. >200: JT FOR, >201: Slakko FOR >208: Lambda FOR -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From jtraub@dragoncat.net Fri Oct 16 20:01:51 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA13948 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:01:51 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:01:50 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] New Proposals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 42 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >197: Henry AGAINST - I have to vote or lose points (currently) and I don't particularly care one way or another, so might as well get a trotsky point :) >198: Henry FOR - It's amusing :) >201: Slakko FOR - I don't think it actually would be as Slakko said, but correctness is better >202: Henry AGAINST - This seems overly complex to me. >203: Henry AGAINST - Isn't this what ERRORS are for? >204: Henry FOR >205: Henry AGAINST - Still wish I had a vote saying Don't care :) >206: Henry AGAINST - Why? >207: Henry FOR - YES YES YES! >208: Lambda FOR - Fair's fair. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From tows@earthlink.net Fri Oct 16 20:13:10 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.85]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA14017 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:13:08 -0700 Received: from [168.191.54.161] (sdn-ar-001mabostP295.dialsprint.net [168.191.54.161]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04185 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:12:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] New Proposals X-archive-position: 43 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >>202: Henry >AGAINST - This seems overly complex to me. I know it's complicated, but it's intended to be a building proposal for many potential structures. Besides, it isn't all that complicated. >>203: Henry >AGAINST - Isn't this what ERRORS are for? I think so. There was a good reason for it at the time... >>206: Henry >AGAINST - Why? Irony. It fits with many other rules. We need more crimes. >>207: Henry >FOR - YES YES YES! I knew I should have put in limits on it... -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From jtraub@dragoncat.net Fri Oct 16 20:17:26 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA14072 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:17:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:17:26 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] New Proposals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 44 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Towsner wrote: >>>207: Henry >>FOR - YES YES YES! > I knew I should have put in limits on it... Hehe.. Actually I was only cheering because it gives me a vote for things I don't care about (such as the ambassador props and such). Not because I see any particular type of abuse from it. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From tows@earthlink.net Fri Oct 16 20:20:55 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA14113 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:20:53 -0700 Received: from [168.191.54.161] (sdn-ar-001mabostP295.dialsprint.net [168.191.54.161]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03596 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:20:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] New Proposals X-archive-position: 45 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >Hehe.. Actually I was only cheering because it gives me a vote for things >I don't care about (such as the ambassador props and such). Not because I >see any particular type of abuse from it. I realize. I guess I intended it more for things like that nominations proposal (I'm not voting against my own nomination to HUAC, but it isn't really appropriate for me to vote for.) -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From jtraub@dragoncat.net Fri Oct 16 20:24:55 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA14138 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:24:55 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:24:55 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] New Proposals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 46 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Towsner wrote: >>Hehe.. Actually I was only cheering because it gives me a vote for things >>I don't care about (such as the ambassador props and such). Not because I >>see any particular type of abuse from it. > I realize. I guess I intended it more for things like that >nominations proposal (I'm not voting against my own nomination to HUAC, but >it isn't really appropriate for me to vote for.) I know.. but it's good to have a 'I really dont want to vote on this' vote anyway, and this does fit that. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From jtraub@dragoncat.net Sat Oct 17 12:45:18 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA17128 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:45:17 -0700 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: [MacroNomic] Web site death Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 47 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net The machine which hosted my macronomic web information was last night hit by hackers in such a way as to destroy all 3 hard-drives on the machine simultaneously. This resulted in the loss of over 8 gigabytes of data from this machine including the copy of the website which I had over there. Fortunately, this isn't fatal as I have the files here on my local machine. I will be rehosting them on another site shortly, but wanted people to know why they couldn't get to my website right now if they tried. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Sun Oct 18 01:43:26 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from dot.crosswinds.net (dot.crosswinds.net [209.112.59.66]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA19551 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 01:43:22 -0700 Received: from sounds.u-net.com (p53.nas1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.133.53]) by dot.crosswinds.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA01422 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 04:44:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981017121543.006b513c@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: newc_dan@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:15:43 +0100 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Aidan McLoughlin Subject: [MacroNomic] my votes - with some long comments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 48 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net nice to see the game starting to pickup again :) 197: Loyal 198: Loyal - heh heh kewl!... I see possibilities here. 199: Loyal 200: Loyal 201: For - But it's all just interpretation really - i don't think any judge would be that nasty. 202: Loyal 203: Loyal - I am scared by the prospect of having to sort this big scary beast out into the rules, but hey, that's wot i'm paid for :) 204: Loyal - the proposal is a little unclear, but i take it you mean: In rule 3-2-2 replace "A trial may not be called if there are fewer than five players." with "A trial may not be called if there are fewer than five non-vacationing, graduated players." 205: Loyal 206: Loyal - But if i were an RP member i wud be against it. Also you are technically breaking your own rule: to verb? 207: Loyal 208: Loyal - Doesn't bother me, i'm a good little boy. Dan /================================================================\ | Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. | | But on the other hand, you have different fingers. -- :) | \================================================================/ From tows@earthlink.net Sun Oct 18 07:47:44 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA20757 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 07:47:42 -0700 Received: from [168.191.54.241] (sdn-ar-002mabostP335.dialsprint.net [168.191.54.241]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA28043 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 07:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 07:47:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981017121543.006b513c@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] my votes - with some long comments X-archive-position: 49 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >206: Loyal - But if i were an RP member i wud be against it. Also you are > technically breaking your own rule: to verb? Absurd! A member of the RP could never be a hypocrite! I imposibilized it! -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From jtraub@dragoncat.net Sun Oct 18 16:19:21 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA22640 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:19:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: [MacroNomic] Acka: Web pages back Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 50 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net My macronomic web pages are once more available. They can be found off of http://brain.mics.net/~jt/macro/ intead of http://www.nausicaa.net/~jtraub/macro/ Please update any links from the nausicaa.net website to the brain.mics.net website. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Wed Oct 21 10:15:52 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from dot.crosswinds.net (dot.crosswinds.net [209.112.59.66]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04369 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:15:44 -0700 Received: from sounds.u-net.com (p57.nas1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.133.57]) by dot.crosswinds.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA12183 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:17:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981021181609.006b0ce8@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: newc_dan@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:16:09 +0100 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Aidan McLoughlin Subject: [MacroNomic] updating the rules Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 51 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net Errr, Towsner, Why did you create a rule 4-0-0-2, when (according to lambda's site) there was no 4-0-0-1. is this one that lambda has failed to update or something? BTW i have copied lamda's site and am currently updating the rules, thats when i discovered this little discrepancy. The new address (for the moment, it'll change slightly when the frames are done) is http://www.sounds.u-net.com/macron/macron.htm It's basically the same as Lambda's. I'm working on frames and buttons for all the sections. The updated rules should be up in a couple of days, give me a week or so for the frames. The players page will be based on JTs so i hope it's up to date. I presume that all the props passed...? Dan /================================================================\ | Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. | | But on the other hand, you have different fingers. -- :) | \================================================================/ From jtraub@dragoncat.net Wed Oct 21 10:45:13 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA04519 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:45:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:45:12 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] updating the rules In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981021181609.006b0ce8@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 52 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, Aidan McLoughlin wrote: >Errr, Towsner, > > Why did you create a rule 4-0-0-2, when (according to lambda's site) >there was no 4-0-0-1. is this one that lambda has failed to update or >something? I believe that lambda had not yet gotten the rules update from the batch of props before Towsner took over integrated into the rules yet. (IE, not the two that Townser redistributed, but the batch prior to that) >It's basically the same as Lambda's. I'm working on frames and buttons for >all the sections. The updated rules should be up in a couple of days, give >me a week or so for the frames. The players page will be based on JTs so i >hope it's up to date. I believe my page is up-to-date :) (well, up-to-date prior to this batch of props passing or failing) --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Wed Oct 21 13:33:04 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from dot.crosswinds.net (dot.crosswinds.net [209.112.59.66]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA05238 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:33:01 -0700 Received: from sounds.u-net.com (p53.nas1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.133.53]) by dot.crosswinds.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA09773 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:34:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981021213341.006a1c60@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: newc_dan@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:33:41 +0100 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Aidan McLoughlin Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] updating the rules In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19981021181609.006b0ce8@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 53 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net At 10:45 21-10-98 -0700, you wrote: >I believe that lambda had not yet gotten the rules update from the batch >of props before Towsner took over integrated into the rules yet. (IE, not >the two that Townser redistributed, but the batch prior to that) > >I believe my page is up-to-date :) (well, up-to-date prior to this batch >of props passing or failing) > >--JT has the voting period finished? it's just i've noticed a noticable (:)) absence of votes from a large proportion of the general populace, ie. everyone aside from me, JT and Towsner. Have i missed a prop which changed the voting period? Also if u r rite JT where can i get hold of the props that passed that i missed? ARE YOU ALL STILL OUT THERE????? have you just been voting privately because you are ashamed to show your faces when such disapproval is upon you? I just made that up, please ignore the previous sentence i'm tired and bored and have too much to say. Dan ps. i havent presumed that the 'verbing' rule passed (/passes ?) i don't think it did (/will ?). /================================================================\ | Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. | | But on the other hand, you have different fingers. -- :) | \================================================================/ From jtraub@dragoncat.net Wed Oct 21 13:36:53 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA05259 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:36:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:36:53 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] updating the rules In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981021213341.006a1c60@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 54 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, Aidan McLoughlin wrote: >At 10:45 21-10-98 -0700, you wrote: > >>I believe that lambda had not yet gotten the rules update from the batch >>of props before Towsner took over integrated into the rules yet. (IE, not >>the two that Townser redistributed, but the batch prior to that) >> >>I believe my page is up-to-date :) (well, up-to-date prior to this batch >>of props passing or failing) >> >>--JT > >has the voting period finished? it's just i've noticed a noticable (:)) >absence of votes from a large proportion of the general populace, ie. >everyone aside from me, JT and Towsner. Have i missed a prop which changed >the voting period? Also if u r rite JT where can i get hold of the props >that passed that i missed? I believe the period has ended. However, you should probably wait on Towsner to release the votes. As to where to get the props, check lambda's web site (they were there last I checked with results reported correctly) (world.std.com/~lambda/macronomic/) --JT From tows@earthlink.net Wed Oct 21 13:39:15 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA05283 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:39:12 -0700 Received: from [168.191.54.138] (sdn-ar-001mabostP248.dialsprint.net [168.191.54.138]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20381 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:38:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981021213341.006a1c60@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19981021181609.006b0ce8@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] updating the rules X-archive-position: 55 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >ARE YOU ALL STILL OUT THERE????? have you just been voting privately >because you are ashamed to show your faces when such disapproval is upon you? > >I just made that up, please ignore the previous sentence i'm tired and >bored and have too much to say. Nope. Where is everyone else? Brian!! I'm not going to post the results until tomorrow evening, so there's still a little time. Brian, I will harass about it for weeks if you don't vote. -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From atharrison@wavetek.com Thu Oct 22 00:57:54 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from wav.wavetek.com (wav.wavetek.com [204.94.82.12]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA07659 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:57:52 -0700 Received: from sd-mta.wavetek.com (sd-mta.wavetek.com [204.94.82.17]) by wav.wavetek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA22321 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sd-mta.wavetek.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 882566A5.002BE153 ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:59:17 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WAVETEK@MAILGATE From: "Andy T Harrison" To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Message-ID: <802566A5.002B838A.00@sd-mta.wavetek.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:04:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] updating the rules X-archive-position: 56 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: atharrison@wavetek.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >has the voting period finished? it's just I've noticed a noticable (:)) >absence of votes from a large proportion of the general populace, ie. >everyone aside from me, JT and Towsner. Have i missed a prop which changed >the voting period? Also if u r rite JT where can i get hold of the props >that passed that i missed? > >ARE YOU ALL STILL OUT THERE????? have you just been voting privately >because you are ashamed to show your faces when such disapproval is upon you? Err, yeah, err, LOYAL, um, on everything. You know, this is really getting silly. I don't think I've had time to actually properly read the props for ages now. I'm completely out of touch with where the rules are. I'm only assuming that I can still vote LOYAL on everything. I think I'd better leave the game. But before I do that, I give everything to..... Dan! Sorry for not taking a more active part lately, maybe next time. JT, I can't remember how to remove myself from the mailing list. Can you do it from that end? Or just send me instructions of how to do it. Oh, before I go. I've just realised that I've got a complete history of all the mails to the macronomic mailing list dating back to when I joined (which was end of April this year). If anybody particularly wants them, yell now before I nuke 'em. -- The Kid - So Long, Farewell, Auf Weidersein, Goodbye. From jtraub@dragoncat.net Thu Oct 22 01:00:02 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA07675 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:00:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:00:01 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] updating the rules In-Reply-To: <802566A5.002B838A.00@sd-mta.wavetek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 57 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Andy T Harrison wrote: >Err, yeah, err, LOYAL, um, on everything. > >You know, this is really getting silly. I don't think I've had time to >actually properly read the props for ages now. I'm completely out of touch >with where the rules are. I'm only assuming that I can still vote LOYAL on >everything. I think I'd better leave the game. But before I do that, I give >everything to..... Dan! Sorry for not taking a more active part lately, >maybe next time. JT, I can't remember how to remove myself from the mailing >list. Can you do it from that end? Or just send me instructions of how to >do it. I can take care of it Andy. >Oh, before I go. I've just realised that I've got a complete history of all >the mails to the macronomic mailing list dating back to when I joined >(which was end of April this year). If anybody particularly wants them, >yell now before I nuke 'em. They are also available from listar (the mailing list managment program) so if you need to, just ask me and I'll help you get them :) --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From jtraub@dragoncat.net Thu Oct 22 01:03:03 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA07769 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:03:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:02:54 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: [MacroNomic] Rules question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 58 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net Does the SotCC still get commodities for players leaving the game? (I know farmland goes back to the state, I just need to know about commodities and my connection to world.std.com so I could look up the rules/old-props is being really slow right now) --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From jtraub@dragoncat.net Thu Oct 22 01:10:50 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA07834 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:10:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Rules question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 59 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, JT wrote: >Does the SotCC still get commodities for players leaving the game? >(I know farmland goes back to the state, I just need to know about >commodities and my connection to world.std.com so I could look up the >rules/old-props is being really slow right now) Never mind.. I found the answer to this.. this was one of the props that were distributed on the week of Aug 19 and which hadn't been reflected into the rules yet either. (Dan take note :) Prop commodities and vouchers are in fact destroyed as they should be. (I'd thought we'd removed that, but..... :) --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From jtraub@dragoncat.net Thu Oct 22 01:16:10 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA07868 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:16:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:16:08 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: [MacroNomic] Updated assets file Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 60 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net I have updated the assets file for The Kid leaving. In doing so, I discovered a few other errors as well. Dan, the assets file as it is now is up to date (except for the props that need to be accepted/rejected still, it includes the RP vouchers for this week) http://brain.mics.net/~jt/macro/assets.html --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From atharrison@wavetek.com Thu Oct 22 01:42:36 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from wav.wavetek.com (wav.wavetek.com [204.94.82.12]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA07959 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:42:34 -0700 Received: from sd-mta.wavetek.com (sd-mta.wavetek.com [204.94.82.17]) by wav.wavetek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA22558 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sd-mta.wavetek.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 882566A5.0031A1CC ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 01:43:55 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: WAVETEK@MAILGATE From: "Andy T Harrison" To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Message-ID: <802566A5.00305630.00@sd-mta.wavetek.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:49:06 +0100 Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] updating the rules X-archive-position: 61 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: atharrison@wavetek.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net >I can take care of it Andy. Ta. >>Oh, before I go. I've just realised that I've got a complete history of all >>the mails to the macronomic mailing list dating back to when I joined >>(which was end of April this year). If anybody particularly wants them, >>yell now before I nuke 'em. > >They are also available from listar (the mailing list managment program) >so if you need to, just ask me and I'll help you get them :) I've got stuff from the old list as well. Dunno why I kept them really. -- The Kid From dcr24@hermes.cam.ac.uk Thu Oct 22 03:07:55 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA08174 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 03:07:40 -0700 Received: from dcr24 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zWHe4-0005bU-00 for macronomic@dragoncat.net; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:07:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:07:04 +0100 (BST) From: "Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer" X-Sender: dcr24@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] updating the rules In-Reply-To: <802566A5.002B838A.00@sd-mta.wavetek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 62 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: dcr24@hermes.cam.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Andy T Harrison wrote: > >has the voting period finished? it's just I've noticed a noticable (:)) > >absence of votes from a large proportion of the general populace, ie. > >everyone aside from me, JT and Towsner. Have i missed a prop which > changed > >the voting period? Also if u r rite JT where can i get hold of the props > >that passed that i missed? > > > >ARE YOU ALL STILL OUT THERE????? have you just been voting privately > >because you are ashamed to show your faces when such disapproval is upon > you? > > Err, yeah, err, LOYAL, um, on everything. LOYAL on everything except my proposal (if I still have time). FOR on my proposal. -- Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/ Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Clerk of the Court From dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Thu Oct 22 10:43:25 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from dot.crosswinds.net (dot.crosswinds.net [209.112.59.66]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA09528 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:43:16 -0700 Received: from sounds.u-net.com (p26.nas1.is2.u-net.net [194.119.133.26]) by dot.crosswinds.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA28560 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:44:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981022184339.006a2d5c@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: newc_dan@pop.newcastle.crosswinds.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:43:39 +0100 To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Aidan McLoughlin Subject: Re: [MacroNomic] Rules question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 63 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: dan@newcastle.crosswinds.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net At 01:10 22-10-98 -0700, you wrote: >Never mind.. I found the answer to this.. this was one of the props that >were distributed on the week of Aug 19 and which hadn't been reflected >into the rules yet either. (Dan take note :) >Prop commodities and vouchers are in fact destroyed as they should be. >(I'd thought we'd removed that, but..... :) > >--JT Can someone sort out what props i havent got? I was on vacation from 26 July to August 17, and i believe it was up to date before i left, i will have all props since then, so can someone send me copies of the props that passed during that period... please. BTW: what exactly did i get from andy when he left? Dan /================================================================\ | Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. | | But on the other hand, you have different fingers. -- :) | \================================================================/ From lambda@world.std.com Thu Oct 22 18:39:20 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA11620 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:39:17 -0700 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id VAA06474; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [198.114.8.180] (door1.lotus.com) by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA02810; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:38:42 -0400 Date: 22 Oct 98 21:44:49 -0400 Subject: [MacroNomic] Votes From: "Brian Campbell" To: macronomic@dragoncat.net X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 64 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: lambda@world.std.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net I vote FOR every proposal besides 204, which I vote AGAINST. It says: >204: Henry >Date: Oct 15 > In rule 3-2-2 replace "A trial may not be called if there are fewer >than five non-vacationing, graduated players." It never says what to replace it with, though, so the SoT can put in whatever he wants. (Or, if this was the part it was supposed to replace with, and it never specifies what part to replace, the SoT could essentially delete anypart of that rule that he wants.) --- Brian Campbell (AKA lambda) Visit my webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/Brian/ Visit the Latin Club webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/ Visit the MacroNomic webpage: http://world.std.com/~lambda/macronomic/ ---------- Nihil sub sole novum. From tows@earthlink.net Fri Oct 23 20:10:01 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.85]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA16863 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:09:57 -0700 Received: from [168.191.57.81] (sdn-ar-001mabostP145.dialsprint.net [168.191.57.81]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17135 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:09:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: tows@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: macronomic@dragoncat.net From: Towsner Subject: [MacroNomic] Proposal Results X-archive-position: 65 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net 197: Henry Date: Oct 15 Create rule 4-0-0-2, "Foreign Relations" with the following REALPOLITIK-delimited text REALPOLITIK The Foreign Relations of the Sovereign Republics (as described by Internomic's rules) are determined by two things. Some relations are determined by "Standing Orders", which are descendants of 4-0-0-2-0. The remaining relations can be changed by a Letter of Marque and Reprisal. A Letter of Marque and Reprisal may not change a relation such that it would conflict with a Standing Order. If a relation with a nomic has not been specified by one of these methods, it is neutral. REALPOLITIK Create rule 4-0-0-2-0 "Standing Orders" reading "All descendants of this rule are standing orders." Create rule 4-0-0-2-1, "Letters of Marque and Reprisal" with the following LMR-delimited text LMR A Letter of Marque and Reprisal is a referendum. The Secretary of Love is the accountant for them. Any player may issue one by sending it to the Secretary of Love. They may only contain changes to the relation of a sovereign republic to another nomic. Only liaisons may vote on them. When two liaisons have voted the same way, the Letter will become inactive immediately. When a Letter of Marque and Reprisal becomes inactive, if a majority of votes are FOR, then the changes to relations will be enacted unless they conflict with a Standing Order. LMR Create rule 4-0-0-2-0-0, "Opponents of Expansion" with the following REVENGE delimited text REVENGE Any nomic which has voted against a proposal to make a Sovereign Republic a voting member of Internomic will be an enemy of all Sovereign Republics. REVENGE Lambda: FOR[16] Towsner: FOR [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] *JT Traub: AGAINST [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] Dan: LOYAL [10+3(ASoF)=13] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: LOYAL [20] Passes 198: Henry Date: Oct 15 Create rule 8, "The Underworld" with the following DISHONEST-delimited text. DISHONEST There are a number of underworld organizations. It is a criminal offense to have any dealings with them. DISHONEST Create rule 8-0, "The Sabateurs" with the following NAUGHTYNAUGHTY delimited text NAUGHTYNAUGHTY The sabateurs are an underworld organization and an entity. A player who has at least 7 vouchers may deal with them by publicly stating that they want the sabateurs to sabatoge a given player. 7 vouchers will be taken from the requesting player and given to the sabateurs, and one vote farm in the possesion of the named player is destroyed. Whenever the sabateurs have at least 10 vouchers, they get bold and destroy a vote farm owned by a member of the Revolutionary Party, but lose 10 vouchers. NAUGHTYNAUGHTY [Anyone can do this, but for non RP's it's a crime-and the RP isn't likely to be happy about it. As for RP's, the boldness thing is a good reason for RP's not to get into a fight] Lambda: FOR[16] Towsner: FOR [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] JT Traub: FOR [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] Dan: LOYAL [10+3(ASoF)=13] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: LOYAL [20] Passes 199: JT Date: Oct 15 Spreading around the power Amend Section 2-4-1, Upon Winning, sub-section c by replacing the current text as delimited by OLD OLD c. The Winning Player names two other players. OLD with the following text as delimited by NEW NEW c. The Winning Player names two other players. At least one of the three players must not be a member of the current Revolutionary Party. NEW All this does is give someone else a chance to be part of the ruling party. (basically, the ruling party cannot stay in power for perpetuity) Lambda: FOR[16] Towsner: FOR [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] JT Traub: FOR [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] Dan: LOYAL [10+3(ASoF)=13] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: LOYAL [20] Passes 200: JT Date: Oct 15 Quack? No, Huac! This is a nomination proposal. Philo is a member of HUAC. Towsner is a member of HUAC. Lambda: FOR[16] Towsner: FOR [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] JT Traub: FOR [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] Dan: LOYAL [10+3(ASoF)=13] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: LOYAL [20] Passes 201: Slakko Date: Oct 15 Amend Section 3-2-2-1-0 by replacing the text "break an oath" with "break that oath". [Note: Otherwise a player with oaths to multiple other players commits a crime against them all when a single oath is broken.] Lambda: FOR[16] Towsner: FOR [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] JT Traub: FOR [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] Dan: FOR [10+3(ASoF)=13] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: FOR [20] Passes 202: Henry Date: Oct 15 Create a new child of rule 3, "Motions" reading as delimited by ROBERTSRULESOFORDER ROBERTSRULESOFORDER Motions are a type of referenda. All motions must be made to an Assembly. The Accountant for a motion is the Moderator of the Assembly the motion is made to. All members and only members of the Assembly may vote on a motion unless a rule allows a more or less limited voting group for an Assembly. A motion becomes inactive if it has been a highest level motion for at least one week, or another rule specifies that it becomes inactive. A motion is made by informing the Moderator for that Assembly, only a player who could vote on the motion may make it. Motions are given a name which is the name of the Assembly they were made to followed by the lowest positive integer to make it a unique name. When a motion becomes inactive, if more players voted FOR than AGAINST, it is accepted, otherwise it fails. A given type of motion is ether Primary, Secondary or Internal, and either Final or Buildable. The default values are Internal and Final. Secondary motions are either Exclusive or Polite, Exclusive by default. Primary motions may only made to an Assembly if the floor is clear. Secondary motions may only be made on top of Buildable motions which do not have an Exclusive Secondary motion on top of them. Internal motions may only be made is specifically allowed for the relevant type of Assembly. ROBERTSRULESOFORDER Create a child of "Motions", "Assemblies" reading as delimited by CALLEDBYDRWEINTRAUB CALLEDBYDRWEINTRAUB An Assembly is a group of players. An Assembly's Floor is always clear unless otherwise specified. CALLEDBYDRWEINTRAUB Create a new child of "Assemblies", "Drafting Assemblies" with the following CALLEDBYANYONE delimited text. CALLEDBYANYONE A Drafting Assembly is a type of Assembly. Any player may create a Drafting Assembly by publicly announcing that e intends to do so, along with the initial text for a proposal; that player becomes the Moderator for the Assembly. The initial text becomes the text of the Assembly, and is altered by Primary motions to amend, which may be made to Drafting Assemblies. Any player may join or leave a Drafting Assembly by publicly asking to. A Motion to Propose and Adjourn may be made to a Drafting Assemblies. CALLEDBYANYONE Create a child of "Motions", "Motion to Close", reading as delimited by TABLEINDEFINATELY TABLEINDEFINATELY A Motion to Close is a Secondary Polite Final motion. If it is accepted, the motion it applies to immediately becomes inactive and all motions above that motion become and active and fail; this sentence takes precedence over "Motions". TABLEINDEFINATELY Create a child of "Motions", "Motion to Amend", reading as delimited by TWEAKINGHERE TWEAKINGHERE A Motion to Amend is a Buildable motion, and can be either Primary or Secondary Polite. If it is accepted as a Secondary motion, the motion it applies to is amended is specified in the motion. If it is accepted as a Primary motion the effect is specified by the Assembly. Primary Motions to Amend may only be made if explicitly permitted by the Assembly it is made to. TWEAKINGHERE Create a child of "Motions", "Motion to Adjourn", reading as delimited by DISSOLVE DISSOLVE A Motion to Adjourn is an Internal Final motion. If it is accepted all active Motions to the Assembly become inactive and the Assembly is destroyed. DISSOLVE Create a child of "Drafting Assemblies", "Motion to Propose and Adjourn" with the following LONGNAME delimited text LONGNAME A Motion to Propose and Adjourn is an Internal Final motion. If it is accepted all active Motions to the Assembly become inactive, the Assembly is destroyed, and a proposal is made with the text of the Drafting Assembly and the members of the Assembly in the order they joined; this sentence takes precedence over section 3. LONGNAME Lambda: FOR[16] Towsner: FOR [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] *JT Traub: AGAINST [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] Dan: LOYAL [10+3(ASoF)=13] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: LOYAL [20] Passes 203: Henry Date: Oct 15 This is a postemptive proposal. Renumber section 4 to 100, section 6 to 4, section 5 to 6 and section 100 to 5. Objects are much more central to the rules than education and foreign affairs, and should be nearer to players and referenda. Lambda: FOR[16] Towsner: FOR [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] *JT Traub: AGAINST [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] Dan: LOYAL [10+3(ASoF)=13] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: LOYAL [20] Passes 204: Henry Date: Oct 15 In rule 3-2-2 replace "A trial may not be called if there are fewer than five non-vacationing, graduated players." *Lambda: AGAINST[16] Towsner: FOR [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] JT Traub: FOR [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] Dan: LOYAL [10+3(ASoF)=13] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: LOYAL [20] Passes 205: Henry Date: Oct 15 Create a new child of "Foreign Affairs", "Ambassador" with the following FRIENDS delimited text FRIENDS An Ambassador is an appointed Secretaryship. There is one for every game of nomic in existance. An Ambassadorship is not filled unless explicitly appointed; it never reverts by default to the Secretary of the Central Committee; this sentence takes precedence over all other rules. An Ambassador is expected to remain in communication with the nomic they are Ambassador to and to convey information between the nomics. An Ambassador is expected to pursue friendly relations between MacroNomic and the nomic to which they are an Ambassador, and should encourage both nomics to find areas they are able to work together in. FRIENDS Lambda: FOR[16] Towsner: FOR [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] *JT Traub: AGAINST [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] Dan: LOYAL [10+3(ASoF)=13] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: LOYAL [20] Passes 206: Henry Date: Oct 15 Create rule 3-2-2-2-1, "Verbing" with the following ADJECTIVE-delimited text. ADJECTIVE It is the crime of verbing for a player to publicly verb (i.e. create a verb from a word which is not a verb). ADJECTIVE Lambda: FOR[16] Towsner: FOR [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] *JT Traub: AGAINST [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] Dan: LOYAL [10+3(ASoF)=13] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: LOYAL [20] Passes 207: Henry Date: Oct 15 Amend rule 3-1-0 to read "The set of legal votes on a Proposal is FOR, AGAINST, LOYAL, ATTEMPTED, DIGNIFIED SILENCE, and NONE. A vote of LOYAL may not be cast on a proposal that is made by a player who is a Prole. An attempt to do so will have no effect on the game. When a proposal is created, the vote of the player who made it is initially FOR; the vote of every other player is initially NONE. Only members of the Revolutionary Party may make a vote of DIGNIFIED SILENCE. Votes of DIGNIFIED SILENCE are ignored when determining the results of a proposal. When a member of the Revolutionary Party votes DIGNIFIED SILENCE, no member of the Revolutionary Party receives a Trotsky point for that proposal. No player may change eir vote to ATTEMPTED. If a player's vote is deinvalidized, it is changed to ATTEMPTED and becomes protected." Lambda: FOR[16] Towsner: FOR [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] JT Traub: FOR [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] Dan: LOYAL [10+3(ASoF)=13] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: LOYAL [20] Passes 208: Lambda Date: Oct 15 Amend Section 3-2-2-1-2 to read in full the following SECRETARYLETSHAVEACCESSTOMOREINFORMATIONTOO-delimited text: SECRETARYLETSHAVEACCESSTOMOREINFORMATIONTOO If the Secretary or a Secretarylet of Truth submits a proposal using knowledge of proposals submitted but not distributed then the Secretary or Secretarylet of Truth has commited the Civil Crime of Prior Knowledge against the authors of the not-yet-distributed proposals. SECRETARYLETSHAVEACCESSTOMOREINFORMATIONTOO Lambda: FOR[16] Towsner: FOR [10+2(SoU)+2(SoJ)+2(SoT)=16] JT Traub: FOR [16+5(SoE)+2(SoG)+3(SoT)=26] Dan: LOYAL [10+3(ASoF)=13] Philo: NONE [10] On Vacation Slakko: LOYAL [20] Passes -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith From jtraub@dragoncat.net Sat Oct 24 02:12:51 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA18262 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:12:51 -0700 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: JT To: macronomic@dragoncat.net Subject: [MacroNomic] Assets updated Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 66 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: jtraub@dragoncat.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net The assets page has been updated for the batch of props posted today. http://brain.mics.net/~jt/macro/assets.html --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] From tows@earthlink.net Tue Oct 27 13:56:58 1998 Received: Listar v0.110a - handled for list macronomic (macronomic@dragoncat.net) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA04805 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:56:56 -0800 Received: from [168.191.54.162] (sdn-ar-001mabostP296.dialsprint.net [168.191.54.162]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27655 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:56:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:56:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: MacroNomic From: Towsner Subject: [MacroNomic] Proposals? X-archive-position: 67 X-listar-version: Listar v0.110a Sender: macronomic-bounce@dragoncat.net X-original-sender: tows@earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: macronomic@dragoncat.net Anybody? -- -Henry Towsner Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and enjoy it. -Logan Pearsall Smith