From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 06 11:10:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 6 Dec 2000 19:10:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 45187 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2000 19:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Dec 2000 19:10:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Dec 2000 19:10:07 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.007F5668@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:10:08 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA24537; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:10:06 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: P1, P2 Date: 06 Dec 2000 14:10:06 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Proposal P1 was accepted. Proposal P2 was rejected for technical faults. Re-submission will be welcome. Gamestate updated. You guys all have zero pills. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 06 11:19:38 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 6 Dec 2000 19:19:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 76727 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2000 19:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Dec 2000 19:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Dec 2000 20:20:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.007F5776@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:19:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA26997; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:19:35 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Oh, duh Date: 06 Dec 2000 14:19:35 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 6 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sorry, I'm still getting used to this... Cancel the Directive. I can do it myself with a Proclamation. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 06 11:41:33 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 6 Dec 2000 19:41:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 48903 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2000 19:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Dec 2000 19:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Dec 2000 19:41:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.007F59CE@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:41:25 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA02408; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:41:24 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proclamation X1: eGroups Mailing List Date: 06 Dec 2000 14:41:24 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Rule 1 is amended by the addition of the following paragraph: ===== Doc maintains the DocNomic Web Site at <http://web.syr.edu/~rsholmes/games/nomic/docnomic/index.html> and the DocNomic Mailing List at <http://www.egroups.com/group/DocNomic>. ===== The first sentence of Rule 3 is amended to read as follows: ===== Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. ===== The first sentence of Rule 5 is amended to read as follows: ===== Any player may, at any time, submit a Point of Order to raise any issue relevant to the Game by sending it to the DocNomic Mailing List. ===== -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 07 02:35:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 10:35:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 37846 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 10:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 10:35:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ck.egroups.com) (10.1.2.83) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 11:36:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.59] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2000 10:35:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:35:09 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - Fresh Diseases / Taking it as Read Message-ID: <90np4t+nqud@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1404 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: "Kevan " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Fresh Diseases Enact a new Rule, "Diseases":- A number of Diseases exist, as detailed in this Rule. Each Player may suffer from any number of Diseases; the Disease status of each Player shall be part of the Gamestate. Some Diseases are communicable. At a moment of his choosing every Thursday, Doc shall pick two random Players. Any Airborne Disease borne by the first shall be contracted by the second. Bit of a Cough (Airborne) A Player with this Disease should include the string "*cough*" at least twice in each Proposal message he or she submits, or that Proposal shall be ignored. Upon enactment of this Rule, a random Player shall contract "Bit of a Cough", and this paragraph shall delete itself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Taking it as Read Remove from the Ruleset any sentences containing the phrase "is part of the gamestate" or "are part of the gamestate". In Rule 0, replace "Certain information reflecting the state of the game is known as the Gamestate." with "Any data required to be stored by a Rule is part of the Gamestate." Remove "; the Disease status of each Player shall be part of the Gamestate" from the Rule "Diseases", if it exists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 07 07:55:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 15:55:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 62962 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 15:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 15:55:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 16:56:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.51] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2000 15:55:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:55:50 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal - Body and Soul Message-ID: <90obu6+hvhs@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 705 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Body and Soul Enact a new Rule, "Body and Soul":- Each Player has a number of Body Points and Soul Points, adjusted by various events in the game. These Points are part of the gamestate. (If "Taking it as Read" passed, delete that last sentence. Delete this bracketed text either way.) Whenever a new Player joins the game, he or she has a hundred Body Points, and Soul Points equal to the average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). Each existing Player shall be given a hundred Body Points and a hundred Soul Points. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 07 08:10:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 16:10:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 39878 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 16:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 16:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 16:10:49 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjsoe28902 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:10:48 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001207081041.011238b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:10:41 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal - Taking it as Read In-Reply-To: <90np4t+nqud@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston At 10:35 AM 12/7/2000 -0000, Kevan wrote: >Proposal - Taking it as Read > >Remove from the Ruleset any sentences containing the phrase "is part >of the gamestate" or "are part of the gamestate". > >In Rule 0, replace "Certain information reflecting the state of the >game is known as the Gamestate." with "Any data required to be stored >by a Rule is part of the Gamestate." > >Remove "; the Disease status of each Player shall be part of the >Gamestate" from the Rule "Diseases", if it exists. If you wish to remove the phrase "is part of the gamestate" from the rules, there are a number of other rules you need to ammend as well. Namely: 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 8. However, it looks like you are just replacing the phrase "is part of the gamestate" with "is required to be stored." With your ammendment to the Disease rule, you don't specify that the state of diseases must be stored. I'm not too fond of this proposal as it is... - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 07 08:40:51 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 30110 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.225] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2000 16:40:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:40:46 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal - Taking it as Read Message-ID: <90oeie+4qt4@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001207081041.011238b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1640 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > >Proposal - Taking it as Read > > > >Remove from the Ruleset any sentences containing the phrase "is part > >of the gamestate" or "are part of the gamestate". > > > >In Rule 0, replace "Certain information reflecting the state of the > >game is known as the Gamestate." with "Any data required to be stored > >by a Rule is part of the Gamestate." > > > >Remove "; the Disease status of each Player shall be part of the > >Gamestate" from the Rule "Diseases", if it exists. > > If you wish to remove the phrase "is part of the gamestate" from the > rules, there are a number of other rules you need to ammend as well. > Namely: 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 8. Er, aren't all of these caught by removing "any sentences containing the phrase "is part of the gamestate" or "are part of the gamestate""? Or did you misread that first paragraph as being a summary of my proposal's intentions, rather than proposed rule- changes? > However, it looks like you are just replacing the phrase "is part of the > gamestate" with "is required to be stored." With your ammendment to the > Disease rule, you don't specify that the state of diseases must be stored. Hm, by a rule "requiring data to be stored", I mean a rule stating that some data or other needs to be kept track of; keeping track is implicit, at least to me, whenever a rule says something like "each Player has a number of grommets". Maybe "is required to be kept track of" or "is mentioned by" or something would be clearer, I don't know. Feel free to take this Proposal and "clarify its meaning", Doc. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "What seems to be the problem?" From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 07 08:56:26 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 7 Dec 2000 16:56:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 66266 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 16:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Dec 2000 16:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 16:56:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.27] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2000 16:56:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:56:16 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - Prescriptions / Perks / Impatience Message-ID: <90offg+852k@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1406 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Prescriptions Rename Rule 8 (Currency) to "Pills", and reword it to:- Medication is an important part of DocNomic, and is given in the form of varyingly-coloured Pills. The quantity and colour of Pills possessed by each Player is part of the gamestate. (Delete that last sentence if "Taking it as Read" passed. Delete this bracketed text either way.) When a Player joins the game, they have no Pills. Rename Rule 9 (Salary) to "Prescriptions", and reword it to:- At midnight Monday GMT of every week, all Players will receive a prescription of a certain number of Pills, of specified colours. The exact number and colours of Pills received must be defined by the rules. Unless specified elsewhere, all Players have a prescription of one Red Pill, two Blue Pills and three Green Pills. This rule defers to all other rules that specify a prescription amount. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Perks Add a new Rule, "Perks":- Whenever a Proposal passes, Doc may give its Proposer up to three Pills of any colours he feels appropriate. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Impatience Replace the term "Player" with "Patient" throughout the Ruleset. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 08 07:18:09 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 15:18:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 69923 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 15:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 15:18:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 15:18:08 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00800EF6@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:18:08 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA19185; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:18:07 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Fresh Diseases / Taking it as Read References: <90np4t+nqud@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Dec 2000 10:18:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Kevan "'s message of "Thu, 07 Dec 2000 10:35:09 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu P3 "Fresh Diseases" was accepted. P4 "Taking it as Read" was rejected. See Gamestate for details. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 08 07:35:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 15:35:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 27863 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 15:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 15:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 16:36:59 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008012E4@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:34:13 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA22959; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:34:12 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Diagnosis Date: 08 Dec 2000 10:34:12 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jim Ingram has A Bit of a Cough (as of the implementation of Rule 10). -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 08 08:23:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 67015 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.25] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2000 16:23:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:23:16 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposals - Taking it as Read Message-ID: <90r1tk+urg6@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1049 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > P4 "Taking it as Read" was rejected. > >REJECTED. Sorry, Doc's a bit anal about some things. I regard >the Gamestate as important enough that it should be specified >carefully and explicitly. I've gone through the Ruleset and >persuaded myself I'd find the Gamestate too ambiguously defined >if this Proposal were enacted. Come now, surely there's some way we can generically refer to the bits of data which the ruleset calls "Gamestate"? How else is it possible for our brains to decide whether something should be Gamestate or not, when we Propose? What would be wrong with "Any piece of data required to be tracked by the Ruleset, and which does not change by itself, is considered part of the Gamestate."? ("By itself" covering the time of day, which we need to keep track of for Rule 9. I wouldn't want to grind the universe to a halt through careless Proposal. Although maybe there's a better phrase than "keep track of" to say what I mean...) Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Specialist subject, the bleeding obvious." From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Fri Dec 08 08:44:14 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 16:44:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 49446 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 16:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 16:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 16:44:13 -0000 Received: from Wintermute.surf2000.de (line69.surf2000.de [193.41.36.69]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eB8GiBw26085 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:44:11 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=Wintermute) by Wintermute.surf2000.de with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 144Qe1-0000I4-00 for ; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 17:45:13 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - "How are we feeling today?", and "Are you taking your medicine?" X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 08 Dec 2000 17:45:06 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch Proposal: "How are we feeling today" Doc must insert a typical "doctor's phrase" into every communication of the gamestate. A "doctor's phrase" is defined as a trite sentence doctors tend to utter when you visit them, like "How are we feeling today?", "It will be better in a couple of days" etc. Proposal: "Are you taking your medicine?" All Players (or Patients) that have contracted an illness as defined by the rules need to take one of their pills every week. The color of the pills to be taken shall be defined when the illness is contracted, and shall be red for "A bit of a cough". (btw, I just joined, and I'm still feeling fine ;) Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From mr_jim83@hotmail.com Fri Dec 08 10:55:00 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: mr_jim83@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 86466 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk.egroups.com) (10.1.1.30) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mr_jim83@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.4.66] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2000 18:54:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:54:54 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order - Medication Message-ID: <90rapu+4vlf@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 382 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 207.63.40.4 From: "Jim Ingram" Is it still allowed to use pills as currency or not? I see that we're moving towards a hospital- type theme, so if pills cannot be traded, what, if any thing, could be used as currency? Also, if we have a currency, what can be purchased with it? I'm just trying to come up with some ideas that follow a hospital theme. Note that this isn't a proposal, so I'm not coughing. -Jim From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 08 11:37:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 19:37:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 57945 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 19:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 19:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 19:37:04 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00803650@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:37:04 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA14922; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:37:04 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order - Medication References: <90rapu+4vlf@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Dec 2000 14:37:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jim Ingram"'s message of "Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:54:54 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jim Ingram" writes: > Is it still allowed to use pills as currency > or not? I see that we're moving towards a hospital- > type theme, so if pills cannot be traded, what, if > any thing, could be used as currency? Also, if we > have a currency, what can be purchased with it? Well, it isn't and never was allowed to use pills as currency, in the sense that the rules don't provide a mechanism for pills to be spent on anything. On the other hand, there's nothing in the rules to prohibit proposing rules that do provide a way to spend pills. Propose away! -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 08 11:39:51 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Dec 2000 19:39:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 28641 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 19:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2000 19:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 19:39:50 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00803675@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:39:50 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA15539; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:39:49 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order - Medication References: <90rapu+4vlf@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Dec 2000 14:39:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jim Ingram"'s message of "Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:54:54 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu By the way, though this was submitted as a "point of order", I'd like to handle it as informal discussion instead, reserving "points of order" for more substantive things like e.g. questions regarding the legality of a prior action, etc. If you *really* want this handled formally as a POO, say so and we will... -- - Doc From mr_jim83@hotmail.com Sat Dec 09 08:12:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: mr_jim83@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Dec 2000 16:12:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 40775 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2000 16:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2000 16:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Dec 2000 17:14:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mr_jim83@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.2.33] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2000 16:12:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:12:52 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Point of Order - Medication Message-ID: <90tlm4+rf7m@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 498 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 204.212.220.153 From: "Jim Ingram" --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > By the way, though this was submitted as a "point of order", I'd like > to handle it as informal discussion instead, reserving "points of > order" for more substantive things like e.g. questions regarding the > legality of a prior action, etc. > > If you *really* want this handled formally as a POO, say so and we > will... > > -- > - Doc No, thats alright. I just misunderstood the rule regarding Points of Order. I've got it now. -Jim From mr_jim83@hotmail.com Sat Dec 09 08:15:47 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: mr_jim83@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Dec 2000 16:15:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 48130 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2000 16:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2000 16:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Dec 2000 17:16:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mr_jim83@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.2.33] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2000 16:15:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:15:39 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Point of Order - Medication Message-ID: <90tlrb+au79@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 851 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 204.212.220.153 From: "Jim Ingram" --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Jim Ingram" writes: > > > Is it still allowed to use pills as currency > > or not? I see that we're moving towards a hospital- > > type theme, so if pills cannot be traded, what, if > > any thing, could be used as currency? Also, if we > > have a currency, what can be purchased with it? > > Well, it isn't and never was allowed to use pills as currency, in the > sense that the rules don't provide a mechanism for pills to be spent > on anything. On the other hand, there's nothing in the rules to > prohibit proposing rules that do provide a way to spend pills. > Propose away! > > -- > - Doc What I meant was, would it work within the theme that we seem to be developing to use pills as currency, not whether or not it is legal. Sorry about the misunderstanding. -Jim From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Dec 11 07:58:07 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Dec 2000 15:58:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 58722 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 15:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2000 15:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Dec 2000 15:58:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.104] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2000 15:58:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:58:00 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal - The Doctor Will See You Now Message-ID: <912ti8+ajvm@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 890 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - The Doctor Will See You Now { The way things are going, it'd seem useful to have a defined - if movable - weekly point, at which Doc does weekly things. } Enact a new Rule, "Surgery":- Doc's Surgery typically takes place at a time of his choosing every Thursday, although he may delay any Surgery by up to six days, or even cancel it if he finds himself too busy. A Surgery lasts for as long as it takes for Doc to process every action required in that Surgery. In Rule 9, replace "At midnight Monday GMT of every week" with "During each Surgery". In Rule 10 (Diseases), replace "At a moment of his choosing every Thursday" with "During each Surgery". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Denzil, you have broken my hat." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 11 08:34:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Dec 2000 16:34:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 75574 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 16:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2000 16:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Dec 2000 16:34:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0080F10D@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:34:11 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA28969; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:34:10 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Pending proposals P5-P10 Date: 11 Dec 2000 11:34:09 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu P5 "Body and Soul": ACCEPTED. P6 "Prescriptions": ACCEPTED. P7 "Perks": ACCEPTED. P8 "Impatience": REJECTED. Cute idea, but it makes the developing theme a little more pervasive than I'd like it to be. P9 "How are we feeling today": REJECTED. Perhaps I just don't spend enough time around (medical) doctors, but it seems to me I'd run out of "doctor's phrases" after about maybe five. Things would start getting drearily repetitive after that. P10 "Are you taking your medicine?": REJECTED. It's a good proposal but needs some clarification. How does a Player take a pill? Do they have to post a message saying "I'm taking a pill"? Or does Doc automatically decrement their pill count? (Isn't that a nurse's job?) Does it have to be any particular day or time? If it's up to the player, what happens if they don't take a pill? I look forward to a revised proposal with these questions addressed... -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 11 09:50:42 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Dec 2000 17:50:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 29608 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 17:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Dec 2000 17:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Dec 2000 18:51:46 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0080FA3B@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:50:40 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA16364; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:50:40 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal - The Doctor Will See You Now References: <912ti8+ajvm@eGroups.com> Date: 11 Dec 2000 12:50:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:58:00 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Enact a new Rule, "Surgery":- Question: What, in the vernacular of your country (England?) is the relevant definition of the word "surgery"? I'm aware that it differs from US usage, and I think I have a reasonably correct understanding, but I'd like to check against yours. In the US, I believe it's fair to say "surgery" refers only to a medical procedure involving cutting / removing / reattaching / etc. What's the usage elsewhere, if there is anyone out there from elsewhere? -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Dec 11 12:03:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Dec 2000 20:03:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 12808 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2000 20:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2000 20:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Dec 2000 20:03:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.95] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2000 20:03:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:03:27 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal - The Doctor Will See You Now Message-ID: <913buf+pe0c@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1088 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.153.186 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > Enact a new Rule, "Surgery":- > > Question: What, in the vernacular of your country (England?) is the > relevant definition of the word "surgery"? I'm aware that it differs > from US usage, and I think I have a reasonably correct understanding, > but I'd like to check against yours. > > In the US, I believe it's fair to say "surgery" refers only to a > medical procedure involving cutting / removing / reattaching / > etc. > > What's the usage elsewhere, if there is anyone out there from > elsewhere? Mm, it can also refer to the doctor's office itself (or the building containing such offices, if it's a small hospital concerned with little more than diagnoses and minor treatment), or the time of a given day in which the doctor is available to consult with, or treat, patients. No idea how specific such meanings are to Britain, though. Feel free to replace it with something more universally acceptable before implementing the Proposal, though, if such was your only reservation. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm having an out-of-anorak experience." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Mon Dec 11 21:46:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 05:46:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 11684 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 05:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 05:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 05:46:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: oairhart@ispchannel.com Received: from [10.1.10.102] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2000 05:46:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 05:46:37 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal - Checkup Message-ID: <914e3t+ma0k@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1366 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.142.222.139 From: oairhart@ispchannel.com TWO PROPOSALS DOC. ------- New Rule: Checkup A player will be required to have a checkup if they are ever infected with a new disease. >From the time of infection until the Doc actually performs the checkup, all correspondence received from the Player will be ignored. A player will have a checkup by sending a request to the Doc for a checkup. The request is never ignored and shall always be processed in the order received with other correspondence from Players. During the checkup, the following events occur: a) Doc confirms the new disease. Every tenth checkup will cause the Player to instantly be cured of the new disease with no other checkup events occurring. b) Doc assigns a remedy for the disease if available. c) Doc prescribes additional pills, if necessary, for the number and duration according to the disease's remedy to be given to the Player. Prescription changes are automatic unless otherwise noted in the remedy. d) Doc takes as payment a given number of Body Points and Soul Points from the Player as defined in the remedy. ============== AMEND RULE 10 Modify "Bit of a Cough (Airborne)", Add: Remedy: Prescription - Take (Subtract) 1 blue pill, once a week for 2 weeks. The player is cured upon taking the second pill. Subtract 1 pill, from the most numerous color, for each proposal by the Player while infected. From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Tue Dec 12 00:47:47 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 08:47:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 50368 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 08:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 08:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 09:48:51 -0000 Received: from Wintermute.surf2000.de (line251.surf2000.de [193.41.36.251]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBC8lgw01224 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:47:42 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=Wintermute) by Wintermute.surf2000.de with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 145l6F-00007s-00 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:47:51 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Revised Proposal "Have you been taking your medicine?" X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 12 Dec 2000 09:47:44 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch Yes, I know oairheart has just proposed something which incorporates the old proposal. Just in case it won't pass (and I have a feeling it won't being quite vague on the prescription front), here's another try on mine. Sentences in [[ ]] are comments and not supposed to be in the official rule. Keep in mind that English is not my native language and that I'm not very good at legal stuff - so feel free to change the wording! Proposal "Have you been taking your medicine?" Take a Pill: If a player takes a Pill of a certain color, eir number of pills of that color is reduced by one. A player can only take a Pill of a certain color if e has one of that color. Cure: A Cure for a Disease shall be defined when the Disease is introduced and shall be part of the gamestate. It defines what number of pills of a certain color a player has to take per week to get rid of the disease and how many consecutive weeks that player needs to take that medicine. Prescription: If a player has a Disease, they will be prescribed a Cure for it. If a player doesn't take the Pills as required by their prescription, their Disease may become Chronic. Nurse: The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. If a player wants to take a pill, e notifies that nurse of it via email. The Nurse shall then adjust the number of pills that player owns according to the notification. The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the gamestate [[badly phrased, I fear]] Chronic Disease: A Disease turns chronic if a player hasn't been taking their medicine for 3 consecutive weeks. If a player has a Chronic Disease, e must take the double amount of Pills for twice the number of weeks to get rid of the Disease. If a player doesn't take the Prescription for a Chronic Disease, e will lose 1 Body Point. A player with a Chronic Disease may also not make any proposals. The state of a Disease, namely Chronic or Non-Chronic, shall be part of the gamestate. Death: If a player's number of Body Points or Soul Points drops to 0, e is dead and may no longer take part in this nomic. [[This is nearly it! I thought that after all the definitions, I could write a proper proposal, but apparently all the defining has done the job...]] The Cure for "A Bit of A Cough" shall be one green Pill taken over the course of 2 weeks. Because of the small number of playres, Doc will be the Nurse until he decides that another player shall be holder of that office. [[So, what do you think? Any loop holes left? And what about Soul Points? Who invents phobias to lose those ;)]] Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From jisummers@dttus.com Tue Dec 12 09:58:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jisummers@dttus.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 17:58:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 23381 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 17:58:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cj.egroups.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 17:58:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jisummers@dttus.com Received: from [10.1.10.95] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2000 17:58:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:58:02 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: [DocNomic] New Player PROPOSAL: Disease Is Message-ID: <915ova+2d0n@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1289 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd Nomic" I. Any player may submit a Proposal defining a new disease or refining an existing disease. Any such proposal must have the following elements. A. Name: B. Type: C. Communication/Creation: D. Treatment: E. Effects: II. All diseases approved by the Doc will be listed in the game state as a seperate entity "Known Diseases". All disease definitions in the "Known Diseases" definitions of the gamestate will override disease definitions in the ruleset unless specifically overridden in the rule. III. Rule 10 "Bit of a Cough" will be modified as follows: "Known Disease" A. Name: Bit of a Cough B. Type: Airborne C. Communication: As per Type. [[Defined in Rule 10 as: "At a moment of his choosing every Thursday, Doc shall pick two random Players. Any Airborne Disease borne by the first shall be contracted by the second." ]]. Additionally, at the same time as determinging Players above, doc will determine a Player Randomly. This player will have a 10% chance of contracting "Bit of a Cough" if he does not already have it. D. Unknown E. A Player with this Disease should include the string "*cough*" at least twice in each Proposal message he or she submits, or that Proposal shall be ignored. [[ I am excited to join the Nomic!! ]] From jisummers@dttus.com Tue Dec 12 10:21:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jisummers@dttus.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Dec 2000 18:21:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 55721 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2000 18:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Dec 2000 18:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c9.egroups.com) (10.1.2.66) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2000 18:21:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jisummers@dttus.com Received: from [10.1.10.104] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2000 18:21:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:21:48 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: New Player PROPOSAL: Disease Is Message-ID: <915qbs+f88k@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <915ova+2d0n@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1152 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd Nomic" --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Feyd Nomic" wrote: > I. Any player may submit a Proposal defining a new disease or > > II. All diseases approved by the Doc will be listed in the game > state as a seperate entity "Known Diseases". All disease definitions > in the "Known Diseases" definitions of the gamestate will override > disease definitions in the ruleset unless specifically overridden in > the rule. Article two doesn't define how the "Known Diseases" objects are to be kept, only that they are to be kept separately from the ruleset. I set up a play "table" to see how easy that is. I think this would be a great way to list information in general (diseases in this case, different pills and their abilities, players and their afflictions) and may make it easier for Doc to maintain data. Furthermore, since different tables can be owned by different people and updated only by those people + Moderator, it will be easier to create positions with specific tasks and have methods for those positions to display information to the game in general in an easy to read format. Again, glad to be here! Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 13 06:35:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 14:35:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 50033 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 14:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 14:35:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 15:36:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.119] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2000 14:35:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - Waiting List / Cash Message-ID: <9181fe+odv6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2707 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - The Waiting List { An attempt to organise the taking of pills, and other, future game events; current Proposals on this issue are a bit too "Do something that takes effect immediately! Oh, and, er, wait for Doc to update the Gamestate, I suppose." Too much scope for ambiguity and confusion. A Waiting List seems a good hospital thing, too. And should be a fairly straightforward bit of cgi-scripting. } A new Rule, "The Waiting List":- Certain actions in DocNomic are known as "Events". The Waiting List is a list of Events requested but unperformed, listed from the oldest to the newest. It is part of the Gamestate. Any Player may add a new Event to the Waiting List at any time. If a Player is to do something "as an Event", it means that he or she should add details of such an Event to the Waiting List. If any Events are on the Waiting List, Doc may process the oldest - announcing its resolution to the mailing list if he feels it appropriate - and delete it from the List. Events which are illegal under the current Ruleset are ignored instead of processed. A new Rule, "Events":- A Player may take any number of Pills, as an Event. Upon that Event being processed, the Pills are removed from that Player's possession and take effect as defined by the Ruleset, unless the Player lacks (even some of) the specified Pills, in which case nothing happens. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - All You Need Is Cash { A recent Proposal from "oairhart" had a rather curious "Doc takes as payment a given number of Body Points and Soul Points from the Player" clause, which suggests it might be worth having a way to pay for things, particularly medical consultancy and treatment. I tentatively propose Cash. Not really sure if it's a useful addition or a fiddly extra variable. We'll see. } Rename Rule 11 to "Body, Soul and Cash" and reword it to:- Each Player has a number of Body Points, Soul Points and Cash Points, adjusted by various events in the game. These Points are part of the Gamestate. Whenever a new Player joins the game, he or she has a hundred Body Points, a thousand Cash Points, and Soul Points equal to the average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). At midnight GMT every Monday, every Player gains a hundred Cash. Doc may replace "At midnight GMT every Monday" with any time reference he feels appropriate, there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm leaving my body to science fiction." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 13 09:25:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 17:25:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 56276 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 17:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 17:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 18:26:09 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0081C22A@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:25:03 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA14953; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:25:02 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Pending proposals P11-P15, and Proclamation X2 Date: 13 Dec 2000 12:25:02 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 54 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu P11 "The Doctor Will See You Now": ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. P12: REJECTED. (But welcome to the game, Ottis!) Frankly, mainly because this creates too much work for Doc. Additionally, it contributes to confusion over the role of pills -- they're doled out automatically once a week, regardless of disease, yet they're also prescribed according to disease here, and they're also handed out arbitrarily for accepted proposals. The whole pills/prescription thing needs some careful thought, and it could go any of several ways -- depending on how you see Doc. Is he a conscientious, careful, and ethical doctor... or is he handing out pills like candy in return for favors rendered? And one minor quibble: does "Every tenth checkup" mean literally nine checkups in a row don't show an instant cure and the next one does, or that Doc throws a 10-sided die and you're cured if it comes up 10? P13: REJECTED. This was submitted as a second proposal, but really is (I think) part and parcel of the first. Anyway, it doesn't make much sense without the first. P14 "Have you been taking your medicine?": ACCEPTED -- but see Proclamations. 1 green pill. P15: REJECTED. (And welcome, Feyd!) There are elements of this proposal I like. Systematizing the diseases in this way is a good thing. But I dislike the idea of extending the concept of "Proposal" to cover direct changes to the gamestate, especially since it seems unnecessary; I don't see any benefit, under the proposed setup, to taking the disease definitions out of the ruleset and putting them in the gamestate. Not only do I not see any benefit, but it conflicts with Rule 10, which states A number of Diseases exist, as detailed in this Rule. Since Rule 10 would have the lower rule number, it would take precedence, and diseases defined under this rule would have no legal standing. X2: Doc proclaims: Rule 14 is hereby amended as follows: Delete the text "Because of the small number of players, Doc will be the Nurse until he decides that another player shall be holder of that office." (now that it has taken effect, this provision is no longer needed.) In the definition of Death, replace "this nomic" with "this Round of this Nomic". -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 13 09:29:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 17:29:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 79780 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 17:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 17:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 17:29:34 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0081C262@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:29:33 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA15628; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:29:33 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse! Date: 13 Dec 2000 12:29:32 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Selecting a player at random, I nominate Ottis Airhart to act as Nurse under Rule 14. If Ottis accepts, the transfer of office will take place immediately. (Small defect in Rule 14: as enacted, it allows Doc to appoint another person to be Nurse once, but fails to say anything about transferring that office ever again. Well, we'll burn that bridge when we get to it.) -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 13 09:34:03 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 17:34:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 94983 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 18:35:06 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001213173700.GDXO382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:37:00 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001213113302.01836460@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:34:51 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart THANKS!!!! I appreciate it! Well, now let's see what I can do about this... (I Accept, by the way). At 12:29 PM 12/13/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Selecting a player at random, I nominate Ottis Airhart to act as Nurse >under Rule 14. If Ottis accepts, the transfer of office will take >place immediately. > >(Small defect in Rule 14: as enacted, it allows Doc to appoint another >person to be Nurse once, but fails to say anything about transferring >that office ever again. Well, we'll burn that bridge when we get to >it.) > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 13 10:29:37 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 18:29:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 20199 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 18:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 18:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 18:29:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0081C635@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:29:36 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA00705; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:29:35 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse! References: <4.1.20001213113302.01836460@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 13 Dec 2000 13:29:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:34:51 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu OK -- gamestate updated accordingly. (Thanks! Doc's real busy right now...) -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Dec 13 11:32:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 13 Dec 2000 19:32:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 68410 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2000 19:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2000 19:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 Dec 2000 19:32:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.4.73] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2000 19:32:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:32:13 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: PROPOSAL: Ammend Rule 10 (adding diseases) Message-ID: <918irt+10djs@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1227 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " Ammend Rule 10 to add the following text concerning Diseases: ------------begin text --------------------------------- Any use of "[[ text ]]" should be construed as a non-rule comment. Addiction (Psychosis) Once a week, during Office Hours, the player with the most pills (regardless of color) is designated the "Addict" for the upcoming week. The Addict may not take any Action that reduces the number of pills in eir possession except to take a pill (or have the Nurse administer a pill to em). [[Thus, e could trade 1 red for 2 green, but not 2 greens for one red. E could also take any number of pills]]. Addicts are fragile things, and therefore lose 3 body and 5 soul points at the beginning of the week they are designated the Addict. In addition, the Addict must take 1 red pill in order to [[overcome eir fear and]] make a Proposal. In any non-proposal message they send to the public newsgroup the addict must in some way ask for a pill. Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued as an action for the next Office Hours. ------------------end text--------------------- Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 13 19:58:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 03:58:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 4001 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0081F35B@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:58:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA14568; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:58:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Office Hours Date: 13 Dec 2000 22:58:28 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu It's not Thursday where I am, but it's Thursday in Greenwich, and I have a few moments now and may have fewer tomorrow, so I hereby do the Office Hours thing. Prescriptions: Everyone gets 1/2/3 pills (r/b/g). Diseases: Randomly selected players are Feyd Nomic and Britta Koch. Feyd has no diseases so Britta catches none. -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 14 05:41:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 13:41:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 17854 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 13:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 13:41:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 14:42:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.119] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2000 13:41:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:41:18 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals - Migraine / Phobias Message-ID: <91ailu+10eo3@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1710 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Tense, Nervous, Headache Add a new Disease:- Migraine (Non-Contagious) During Office Hours:- * All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and 'x' Soul Points. * All other Players each have an 'x' per cent chance of contracting a Migraine. ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since the end of the previous Office Hours. Each Green Pill a Player takes has a 50% chance of curing them of this Disease. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Claustrophobia and Agoraphobia Add two new Diseases:- Claustrophobia (Psychosis) Whenever a Rule is repealed, all Players with Claustrophobia lose 5 Soul Points, all Players with Agorophobia gain 5 Soul Points, and there is a 50% chance of the Rule's original Proposer contracting Claustrophobia. If a Player with Claustrophobia contracts Agoraphobia, they are cured of Claustrophobia. Agoraphobia (Psychosis) Whenever a new Rule is enacted, all Players with Agoraphobia lose 5 Soul Points, all Players with Claustrophobia gain 5 Soul Points, and each Player (other than the Rule's Proposer) has an 'x' per cent chance of contracting Agoraphobia, where 'x' is the highest Rule number in the Ruleset. If a Player with Agoraphobia contracts Claustrophobia, they are cured of Agoraphobia. To the Rule "Body and Soul", add the paragraph:- Body Points and Soul Points have a defined range. If either is less than zero for any Player, it is set to zero. If either is above 120, it is set to 120. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From nau@treyarch.com Thu Dec 14 10:59:51 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: nau@treyarch.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 18:59:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 14384 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 18:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 18:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aeowyn.treyarch.com) (64.148.189.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 18:59:49 -0000 Received: from mark (mark.treyarch.com [64.148.189.106]) by aeowyn.treyarch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20446 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800 Message-ID: <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> To: Subject: Proposal submission Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 From: "Mark Nau" To create a new rule entitled "Pill Exchange" A player wishing to make a pill exchange shall notify the Nurse of the exchange e wants to make, and the Nurse shall adjust the number of pills that player owns, provided the exchange is explicitly authorized by the Ruleset. A player may exchange two green pills for one red pill. A player may exchange one red pill and one blue pill for one yellow pill. -Mark Nau From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 14 11:35:53 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 19:35:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 74276 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 19:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 19:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 19:35:52 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001214193851.PKFM382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:38:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001214131056.0169b848@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:36:30 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal submission In-Reply-To: <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart [The following proposal removes the section called "Nurse" in Rule 14 and makes it its own rule for additions and modifications.] === I hereby propose the following: Proposal 1: Amend Rule 14 removing the Section labeled "Nurse". Proposal 2: Create a new Rule [15?] labeled "Nurse" which states the following: The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the gamestate. The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. As compensation for such duties, the Nurse shall receive 2 soul points, 5 body points, and 3 additional green pills during each Office Hours to keep em healthy. If a player wants to take a pill, e notifies that nurse of it via email. The Nurse shall then administer (adjust) the number of pills that player owns according to the notification. When the Nurse administers pills, e must also take one green pill as preventive medicine, lose 1 body point for being exposed to infection, and gain 1 soul point for being such a good player. If the Nurse fails to take the preventive medicine before the next Office Hours, e shall lose 5 body points and 3 soul points for being so foolish. The Nurse shall be deemed "susceptible to infection" when eir body points is below 75. At this point, the Nurse will be infected with any disease or disorder that e administers pills for. If eir body points is below 35, Doc must choose a new Nurse to take over. The Nurse may convert eir soul points to body points at a ration of 2:1 at any time to stay "healthy". The Nurse's actions shall be announced to the other Players and Doc via email by making a Proclamation of Administration listing all actions requested by other players and the Nurse. Doc will then adjust the gamestate to reflect the Administration adjustments. Failure to make at least one Proclomation of Administration between Office Hours events shall reduce the Nurse's body and soul points by 25 points each. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 14 11:52:15 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 19:52:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 65243 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 19:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 19:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 19:52:14 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00822CF9@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:52:14 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA02299; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:52:13 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission References: <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> Date: 14 Dec 2000 14:52:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Mark Nau"'s message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Welcome, Mark! Speaking of the Nurse, he has no way to change the pill totals as long as they're shown on my web site... so I've moved the player information into an eGroups "Database" (table) at . Ottis should be able to modify this (don't abuse your new Moderator status, Ottis...) -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 14 12:11:37 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Dec 2000 20:11:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 28652 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2000 20:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2000 20:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Dec 2000 20:11:34 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001214201434.PQJQ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:14:34 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001214141207.017b3938@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:12:23 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission In-Reply-To: References: <"Mark Nau"'s message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800"> <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart No problem. You may want to modify my last proposal to reflect that change. At 02:52 PM 12/14/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Welcome, Mark! > >Speaking of the Nurse, he has no way to change the pill totals as long >as they're shown on my web site... so I've moved the player >information into an eGroups "Database" (table) at >. >Ottis should be able to modify this (don't abuse your new Moderator >status, Ottis...) > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Fri Dec 15 00:29:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 08:29:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 68143 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 08:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 08:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 08:29:16 -0000 Received: from Wintermute.surf2000.de (line111.surf2000.de [193.41.36.111]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBF8TFL11346 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:29:15 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=Wintermute) by Wintermute.surf2000.de with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 146q9h-00005g-00 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:23:53 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Holidays X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 15 Dec 2000 09:23:49 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch Hi! Just so you don't wonder why you aren't hearing from me: I'm going on holiday today and will be back on the 26th. Doc, please don't let me be sick, because I'd hate to be sick over Christmas without being able to do anything about it! ;) Have a nice Christmas, Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 15 06:28:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 14:28:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 92656 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 14:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 14:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 14:28:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.117] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 14:28:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:28:14 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal submission (Nurse) Message-ID: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001214131056.0169b848@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2417 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the > gamestate. The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. Hm, might it be a good idea for the Nurse to keep tabs on Diseases and Soul Points and the rest, actually? It seems a little clumsy to have the Nurse decrementing Pill counts and waiting for Doc to remove any cured Diseases or make any Point adjustments. > As compensation > for such duties, the Nurse shall receive 2 soul points, 5 body points, and > 3 additional green pills during each Office Hours to keep em healthy. Hmm, "Cash" is seeming more of a useful thing... > When the Nurse administers pills, e must also take one green pill as > preventive medicine, lose 1 body point for being exposed to infection, and > gain 1 soul point for being such a good player. If the Nurse fails to take > the preventive medicine before the next Office Hours, e shall lose 5 body > points and 3 soul points for being so foolish. Soul gain aside, this all seems a bit harsh; surely it's in the interests of the game for people to *want* to be the Nurse? I'd rather see it being a role with hefty reward that people were fighting for, than something so dangerous that Doc ends up doing it instead. Although now that we've got the eGroups database thing (which is rather suaver than I expected it to be, to be honest), is it maybe worth getting rid of the Nurse role and having Players update their own details? Whenever you take a Pill, update your Pill count and/or Diseases yourself, and post a message to the list saying what you've done (maybe quoting before-and-after versions of the database table, so that we can backtrack any dodginess). The ability to have things take effect immediately, and to remove the need for a given Player to be awake and enthusiastic, seems rather appealing... Alternatively, Doc or I could pen a script similar to the eGroups thing that automatically logged who changed what and when (which might be a better idea anyway; if the eGroups database can only be set to be edited by admin or "all members", we don't really want passers-by buggering about with it). I'd be up for coughing some perl out this weekend, if people (or, at least, Doc, this being Imperial) were in favour. Speak now. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Do you smoke?" "No." "How many a day?" "Forty." "Right, so you don't smoke forty a day." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 07:32:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 15:32:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 49025 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 15:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 16:33:59 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00827AF0@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:32:53 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA11410; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:32:53 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal submission (Nurse) References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 10:32:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:28:14 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 46 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Hm, might it be a good idea for the Nurse to keep tabs on Diseases > and Soul Points and the rest, actually? It seems a little clumsy to > have the Nurse decrementing Pill counts and waiting for Doc to remove > any cured Diseases or make any Point adjustments. Yep. > Hmm, "Cash" is seeming more of a useful thing... Maybe... > Soul gain aside, this all seems a bit harsh; surely it's in the > interests of the game for people to *want* to be the Nurse? I'd > rather see it being a role with hefty reward that people were > fighting for, than something so dangerous that Doc ends up doing it > instead. Definitely. The whole point to the Nurse is to spread the load a bit -- if no one takes the job and I have to do it, it could get ugly... > Although now that we've got the eGroups database thing (which is > rather suaver than I expected it to be, to be honest), is it maybe > worth getting rid of the Nurse role and having Players update their > own details? Worth thinking about anyway. > Alternatively, Doc or I could pen a script similar to the eGroups > thing that automatically logged who changed what and when (which > might be a better idea anyway; if the eGroups database can only be > set to be edited by admin or "all members", we don't really want > passers-by buggering about with it). Well, we could either set up the group to require approval before people become members, or we could make all Players moderators. > I'd be up for coughing some perl out this weekend, if people (or, at > least, Doc, this being Imperial) were in favour. Speak now. Go ahead and rough something out -- if it looks promising we can smooth out details and use it. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 07:37:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 15:37:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 70277 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 15:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 15:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 16:38:57 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00827B8D@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:37:49 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA12207; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:37:38 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Directive D2 (was Re: [DocNomic] Holidays) References: Date: 15 Dec 2000 10:37:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: Britta Koch's message of "15 Dec 2000 09:23:49 CET" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Britta Koch writes: > Just so you don't wonder why you aren't hearing from me: I'm going on > holiday today and will be back on the 26th. Doc, please don't let me be > sick, because I'd hate to be sick over Christmas without being able to > do anything about it! ;) OK, happy holidays... Directive D2: We could stand to have a rule governing vacationing players. (And vacationing Docs, for that matter.) -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 08:39:46 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 16:39:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 96462 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 16:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 16:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 16:39:45 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215164244.WGLN382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:42:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215095812.06e137c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:40:38 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals In-Reply-To: References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Medical Brief (Point of Order) >From my experience with other Imperial style Nomic games, other players didn't have a say in whether a proposal was accepted or rejected. They just had to deal with the outcome. If they didn't like a proposal, then they would modify the rule after it was accepted. Should we make Kevan an "Intern" or something so that he can legally have an oppinion before a proposal is accepted? The idea behind gaining or losing Soul points was to establish a reward/punishment system for a player playing Nurse with the idea that to be Nurse, you get "perks", but you have to do the job. I wouldn't want a Nurse that never participates because then everyone would end up with a Chronic Disease. Why are you worried about the negative consequences of the Nurse anyways? I'm the Nurse right now, and I don't have a problem with it (I proposed the rule, remember). I would like to see the rule passed and then amended by other players if they didn't like the stipulations. This rule has no conflict with the ruleset or apparent theme of the game. I hereby recommend its approval and acceptance subject to normal amendment and modification. Ottis Airhart, Nurse ============ Proposal I propose that all references to "Point of Order" in the gamestate and ruleset be renamed "Medical Brief". I also propose that all references to "Proclomation" in the gamestate and ruleset be renamed "Medical Board Memorandum". ============= Proposal I propose a new rule labeled "Intern" stating the following: At any point in the game, Doc may appoint an Intern. An Intern's role will be to help in the decision making process [[a co-Doc]]. Doc may accept, reject, or ignore the oppinions of the Intern without comment. Doc may appoint the Intern to temporarily take on the certain responsibilities of the office of Doc by making a Proclomation [["Medical Board Memorandum"]] declaring the current responsibilities. This will also be noted under the Office Holders section in the Gamestate. The Intern, if unable to adjust the gamestate or ruleset, shall publish updated rules or gamestate information to the mailing list whereby it shall supercede any other publication until such time as Doc may make permanent adjustments. [[This allows for Doc's vacation, but game continuation]]. Doc may at any time NULL actions performed by the Intern. Any act by a player attempting to perform Intern duties (opinions, etc) shall be consider "Malpractice" and that player shall lose 5 Soul points. The Intern will receive 2 Soul points during each Office Hours for being such a good person. [[if Cash is ever accepted, then we can then amend this rule to have further compensation]] =========== Proposal: Proposals and Appeals Mechanism I propose the following amendments: Rule three be modified to include the following text: Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. The body of the message must begin with the following text: "Proposal:" followed by the label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. Rule five be modified to include the following text: Each Point of Order [[Medical Brief]] must have in its Subject line the text: "Point of Order:" [[or "Medical Brief:"]] followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it shall be ignored. The body of the message must begin with the following text: "Point of Order:" [[or "Medical Brief:"]] followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it shall be ignored. Each Proclamation [[Medical Board Memorandum]] shall follow a similar format at the Doc's discretion. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 09:01:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:01:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 37821 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 17:01:20 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828418@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:01:20 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA27131; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:01:19 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001215095812.06e137c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 12:01:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:40:38 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 40 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Medical Brief (Point of Order) I may issue a Directive one of these days with regard to Points of Order. As I see it, a POO is the way the judicial system works -- if there's a disagreement or a perceived illegality or something, that's the way it's handled. For just talking about the game, I think it's best to just talk. Otherwise I have to log it as a point of order, post it to the game state, issue a formal response, etc. Faugh. So, with your permission, I'll ignore the "POO" designation above and just talk. OK, I guess there *was* a question about the legality of posting comments. If you insist, I'll treat that portion of your message as a POO. If you insist. > >From my experience with other Imperial style Nomic games, other players > didn't have a say in whether a proposal was accepted or rejected. They just > had to deal with the outcome. If they didn't like a proposal, then they > would modify the rule after it was accepted. Formally, that's the case here. But my preference is not to run that way. (And I confess, I've never played Imperial before -- unless you count The Curvature Of the Earth Is Overwhelmed By Local Noise Nomic, which I guess is Imperial, but too silly to be taken as a precedent.) I am not only willing but eager to hear comments on proposals before I take action -- I don't always notice the flaws, or the brilliant touches for that matter. > Should we make Kevan an > "Intern" or something so that he can legally have an oppinion before a > proposal is accepted? Having an opinion is legal -- and encouraged. I didn't put the "Anything not forbidden is allowed (except for changing the rules and gamestate, where anything not allowed is forbidden)" clause in the ruleset, but I consider it to be in effect. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 09:04:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:04:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 74104 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:05:13 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215170630.WKDF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:06:30 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215104111.06e39a40@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:04:16 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Vacation In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Proposal: Vacation See the "Intern" proposal for vacation Doc allowances. I propose the following rule: Vacation: Any player may declare themselves on vacation for a given period of time and shall be noted in the gamestate. During this time, any diseases or other ailments that player currently holds shall go into "recession". While in "recession", the player shall not take any pills or other treatment leading to a cure. While on vacation, a player shall not receive any perks, prescriptions, or other increases or decreases to their pill count[[, cash (if accepted)]], etc. A vacationing player may be infected by new diseases or ailments, but they shall be in recession until such time as that player returns. This shall be noted in their gamestate. Any Proposals or Proclamations [[Medical Briefs]] received from the player while on vacation shall be ignored EXCEPT for a required Proclamation [[Medical Brief]] stating that they are no longer on vacation. Upon returning from vacation, that player's gamestate shall be modified and any diseases or ailments in recession shall become active diseases or ailments subject to treatment for a cure. [[This player gamestate info should be kept in the egroups database]] [[I thought it would be unfare to allow a player to go on vacation at a whim without being able to contract diseases, otherwise, I would go on vacation every Thursday during Office Hours so that I would never contract a disease. The catch here is that all diseases are in recession (not needing treatment) until that player returns. Any active player can have multiple diseases at this point, so if they contract several diseases during a long vacation (at this point it would have to be a VERY LONG vacation), then they are not in any different boat than other players. No vacationing player should be allowed to gain valuable assets (pills, etc) while not being able to gain damaging assets (diseases, etc) at the same time.]] From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 15 09:21:06 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:21:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 23983 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 17:21:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.4] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 17:21:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:20:58 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals Message-ID: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001215095812.06e137c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3553 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > From my experience with other Imperial style Nomic games, other players > didn't have a say in whether a proposal was accepted or rejected. They just > had to deal with the outcome. If they didn't like a proposal, then they > would modify the rule after it was accepted. Should we make Kevan an > "Intern" or something so that he can legally have an oppinion before a > proposal is accepted? Hm, what? I thought Doc had taken the "post Proposals to the list" approach so that people could just comment generally and maybe spot rule flaws that he might overlook. I admit, from experience, Imperial Nomics tend to operate with Proposals going straight to the Emperor and only becoming public knowledge after they've passed or failed, but this difference in approach seems fairly useful. Although it is becoming mildly confusing keeping track of what's passed and what's pending-but-likely-to-pass. That may just be me, though. > The idea behind gaining or losing Soul points was to establish a > reward/punishment system for a player playing Nurse with the idea that to > be Nurse, you get "perks", but you have to do the job. I wouldn't want a > Nurse that never participates because then everyone would end up with a > Chronic Disease. A good point; the "reward per activity" Soul thing is far better than a flat weekly reward. Some of the penalties just seemed too harsh, though, particularly the Disease-catching, the fines for forgetting to do things (or, indeed, simply not being able to take a Green pill for every Pill another Player takes; with seven or eight Active Players taking their medicine every week, the Nurse would soon run out of Greens, even if she gets three free ones). > Why are you worried about the negative consequences of the > Nurse anyways? I'm the Nurse right now, and I don't have a problem with it > (I proposed the rule, remember). Well, admirable of you to put such negativities in when you knew they'd be affecting you, but ultimately it's quite possible that the post of Nurse would eventually pass to someone else, and I think it's important to make the role appealing rather than ominous. Penalties for not doing the job at *all* might be a good idea, though, to stop anyone simply claiming the role for its rewards, or to stop other Players getting their Pills. But this is fairly academic stuff if we go with a Player-maintained cgi-script thing, of course. > I would like to see the rule passed and > then amended by other players if they didn't like the stipulations. This > rule has no conflict with the ruleset or apparent theme of the game. Naturally. I'm not decrying it as illegal, just offering my thoughts. Doc is, of course, entirely free to ignore my opinion and laugh at me. Forgive me if I came across as 'voting'. Nice work on the Intern Proposal, anyway; it'd be handy to have an official way for Doc to let someone else take over the reigns, or some of them, for a while. One thing, though:- > Any act by a player attempting to > perform Intern duties (opinions, etc) shall be consider "Malpractice" and > that player shall lose 5 Soul points. Hm? Penalties for non-Interns expressing opinions? Am I reading this correctly? > Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed > by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. [...] A sterling idea. It's becoming quite a pain to find particular Proposals amid the mailing list archive. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Leave me alone, I was only singing." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 09:36:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:36:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 73311 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 17:36:22 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008288FF@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:36:22 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA09003; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:36:21 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals References: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 12:36:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:20:58 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > A sterling idea. It's becoming quite a pain to find particular > Proposals amid the mailing list archive. Case in point: I didn't see the Intern proposal (or the others in the same message) until Ottis and Kevan referred to them later. They were below Ottis's signature, which was at the bottom of the window, and I assumed that was the end of the message. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 09:59:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 17:59:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 43689 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 17:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 17:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 17:59:33 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215180232.WTRC382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:02:32 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215114921.016e5838@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:00:26 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals In-Reply-To: References: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart in light of the recent discussions, I would not be opposed to removing the penalty section from the Intern proposal if its inclusion will keep it from passing. I am glad this all came out now, rather than later. I am glad to establish the decorum for the game now. I'm not opposed to oppinions on unpassed proposals. I was just assuming that Doc had the only say. BTW: I'm not perfectly clear on the update timeframe... Doc, will proposal updates only be performed during Office Hours, or how often are you planning updates? Should we clarify in the rules a general idea? Just curious because I don't want to bombard Doc with proposals when he isn't going to process them for a while. NOT GAME RELATED, reader beware: Also, an aside. I'm considering hosting a SPEED ROUND during the Holidays called Holiday Nomic that will be a guaranteed daily update with two when possible. The idea is to establish a theme game that ends on January 4th no matter what. The winning goal is undefined to start but it must be decisive (or absolutely undecisive) on the end date. I was thinking of either an imperial game or a minimalist game where the first 5 votes decides if a rule passes. This will allow the game to continue in between updates of the master ruleset... with all proposals that pass becoming part of the official ruleset regardless of its listing. If players are concerned about playing "on Christmas day" because of too many obligations, they can thusly make a rule. If I have at least 5 players interested, I'll start it in within a week. If I choose to use the voting method, I will be one player, otherwise, I will officiate. I think there are enough bored people out there during the holidays to have a smashing game, even if most of the players don't play certain days due to vacation. The speed will be determined by the players. Comments? Please do not send directly to this list. Email: oairhart@ispchannel.com directly. I'll make a mailing list if there are enough people to discuss and start but will in the mean time distribute discussion privately to all interested parties. At 12:36 PM 12/15/2000 -0500, you wrote: >kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > >> A sterling idea. It's becoming quite a pain to find particular >> Proposals amid the mailing list archive. > >Case in point: I didn't see the Intern proposal (or the others in the >same message) until Ottis and Kevan referred to them later. They were >below Ottis's signature, which was at the bottom of the window, and I >assumed that was the end of the message. > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:14:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:14:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 86777 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:15:24 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828CE6@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:14:18 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA17105; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:14:18 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proclamation X3: Gamestate revision Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:14:18 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 47 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu X3: Gamestate revision [Originally I had intended that the web site would be the main avenue of communication for DocNomic. So I decided pending proposals, declarations, proclamations, and pending points of order would appear on the gamestate page. [Instead, of course, we've settled into doing stuff on the mailing list. Past proposals, declarations, proclamations, and points of order can easily be found in the eGroups archive, especially if subject line formatting is enforced, as has been proposed. Therefore, formatting such transient stuff for the web page seems like a poor use of my time. [So I'm modifying the rules to reduce the amount of crapwork I have to do.] In Rule 3, the sentence The lists of Proclamations, Directives, and Pending Proposals are part of the Gamestate. is hereby repealed. In Rule 5, the sentence The list of Pending Points of Order is part of the Gamestate. is hereby repealed. [Also, I just noticed it's illegal for me to have taken the player information off the gamestate page. So...] In Rule 4, to the phrase and the current Gamestate at the phrase and/or in one or more eGroups databases at is hereby appended. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:19:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:19:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 47544 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:21:04 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828D5C@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:19:59 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA17802; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:19:58 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals References: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001215114921.016e5838@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:19:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:00:26 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > BTW: I'm not perfectly clear on the update timeframe... Doc, will proposal > updates only be performed during Office Hours, or how often are you > planning updates? When I find the time! > Should we clarify in the rules a general idea? Just > curious because I don't want to bombard Doc with proposals when he isn't > going to process them for a while. Don't hold back on my account; they'll keep till I get to them. If it's because you don't like a delay... well, sorry; things are REALLY busy for me these days -- I'll try not to let things slide a long time, but don't count on action within hours or even a couple days. > NOT GAME RELATED, reader beware: > Also, an aside. I'm considering hosting a SPEED ROUND during the Holidays > called Holiday Nomic Sounds like fun; I don't think I should try participating, but I might want to spectate... -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 10:24:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:24:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 61707 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:25:13 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215182702.WXKA382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:27:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215122359.01708dd8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:24:55 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals In-Reply-To: References: <91djtq+t6q9@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001215114921.016e5838@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Oh, I wasn't complaining... just curious. If you are updating every few days or so, I just didn't want to overload you in the mean time. Not complaining. Thanks for hosting! At 01:19 PM 12/15/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Ottis Airhart writes: > >> BTW: I'm not perfectly clear on the update timeframe... Doc, will proposal >> updates only be performed during Office Hours, or how often are you >> planning updates? > >When I find the time! > >> Should we clarify in the rules a general idea? Just >> curious because I don't want to bombard Doc with proposals when he isn't >> going to process them for a while. > >Don't hold back on my account; they'll keep till I get to them. If >it's because you don't like a delay... well, sorry; things are REALLY >busy for me these days -- I'll try not to let things slide a long >time, but don't count on action within hours or even a couple days. > >> NOT GAME RELATED, reader beware: >> Also, an aside. I'm considering hosting a SPEED ROUND during the Holidays >> called Holiday Nomic > >Sounds like fun; I don't think I should try participating, but I might >want to spectate... > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:28:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:28:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 76811 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:28:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828DD9@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:28:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA19170; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:28:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proclamation X4: Publication revision Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:28:28 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu [And now we need to specify how I *really* tell you what's going on.] To Rule 4 prepend Doc must publish all Proposal and Point of Order judgements, and all Proclamations and Directives, to the DocNomic Mailing List. No Proposal or Point of Order judgement, Proclamation, or Directive, shall have any effect until it is so published. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:36:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:36:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 3104 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:38:01 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828E47@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:36:56 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA20880; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:36:55 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Waiting List / Cash References: <9181fe+odv6@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:36:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 76 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - The Waiting List > > { An attempt to organise the taking of pills, and other, future game > events; current Proposals on this issue are a bit too "Do something > that takes effect immediately! Oh, and, er, wait for Doc to update > the Gamestate, I suppose." Too much scope for ambiguity and > confusion. > > A Waiting List seems a good hospital thing, too. And should be a > fairly straightforward bit of cgi-scripting. } > > A new Rule, "The Waiting List":- > > Certain actions in DocNomic are known as "Events". The Waiting List > is a list of Events requested but unperformed, listed from the > oldest to the newest. It is part of the Gamestate. > > Any Player may add a new Event to the Waiting List at any time. If > a Player is to do something "as an Event", it means that he or she > should add details of such an Event to the Waiting List. > > If any Events are on the Waiting List, Doc may process the oldest - > announcing its resolution to the mailing list if he feels it > appropriate - and delete it from the List. Events which are illegal > under the current Ruleset are ignored instead of processed. > > A new Rule, "Events":- > > A Player may take any number of Pills, as an Event. Upon that Event > being processed, the Pills are removed from that Player's possession > and take effect as defined by the Ruleset, unless the Player lacks > (even some of) the specified Pills, in which case nothing happens. REJECTED. I think this proposal may be mooted by some of the other ideas currently stewing. This one has too much passive voice for my taste, e.g. "The Pills are removed" -- I'd like something that specifies who's doing the removing and keeping track! > Proposal - All You Need Is Cash > > { A recent Proposal from "oairhart" had a rather curious "Doc takes > as payment a given number of Body Points and Soul Points from the > Player" clause, which suggests it might be worth having a way to > pay for things, particularly medical consultancy and treatment. > > I tentatively propose Cash. Not really sure if it's a useful > addition or a fiddly extra variable. We'll see. } > > Rename Rule 11 to "Body, Soul and Cash" and reword it to:- > > Each Player has a number of Body Points, Soul Points and Cash > Points, adjusted by various events in the game. These Points are > part of the Gamestate. > > Whenever a new Player joins the game, he or she has a hundred Body > Points, a thousand Cash Points, and Soul Points equal to the > average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). > > At midnight GMT every Monday, every Player gains a hundred Cash. > > Doc may replace "At midnight GMT every Monday" with any time > reference he feels appropriate, there. ACCEPTED. My first reaction was, "Oh, no, not another Gamestate entity". But thinking about it, this does round out the theme nicely -- after all, body, soul, medication, and money are the things a hospital transacts most! Using pills as currency has a certain dark appeal, and is still possible; but having some white market currency is, I think, good. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:37:35 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 37669 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:37:35 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828E53@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:37:35 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA20938; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Waiting List / Cash References: <9181fe+odv6@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:37:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Doc may replace "At midnight GMT every Monday" with any time > reference he feels appropriate, there. It'll be during office hours. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:40:18 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:40:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 45557 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:41:22 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828EBC@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:39:57 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA21540; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:39:56 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Waiting List / Cash References: <9181fe+odv6@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:39:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu I'll also have the Nurse hand out 1000 cash to each Player, since I'm sure Kevan intended to put that in his rule but forgot. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:43:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:43:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 21997 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:43:12 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828F6B@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:42:59 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22013; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:42:58 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] PROPOSAL: Ammend Rule 10 (adding diseases) References: <918irt+10djs@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:42:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:32:13 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Ammend Rule 10 to add the following text concerning Diseases: > ------------begin text --------------------------------- > Any use of "[[ text ]]" should be construed as a non-rule comment. > > Addiction (Psychosis) > Once a week, during Office Hours, the player with the most pills > (regardless of color) is designated the "Addict" for the upcoming > week. > > The Addict may not take any Action that reduces the number of pills > in eir possession except to take a pill (or have the Nurse administer > a pill to em). [[Thus, e could trade 1 red for 2 green, but not 2 > greens for one red. E could also take any number of pills]]. > > Addicts are fragile things, and therefore lose 3 body and 5 soul > points at the beginning of the week they are designated the Addict. > In addition, the Addict must take 1 red pill in order to [[overcome > eir fear and]] make a Proposal. > In any non-proposal message they send to the public newsgroup the > addict must in some way ask for a pill. Failure to do so will cause > the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed > out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued > as an action for the next Office Hours. > ------------------end text--------------------- > Feyd ACCEPTED. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:48:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:48:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 87435 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:48:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828FE7@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:48:12 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22827; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:48:11 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals - Migraine / Phobias References: <91ailu+10eo3@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:48:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:41:18 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 53 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Proposal - Tense, Nervous, Headache > > Add a new Disease:- > > Migraine (Non-Contagious) > During Office Hours:- > > * All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and 'x' Soul Points. > * All other Players each have an 'x' per cent chance of > contracting a Migraine. > > ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since the > end of the previous Office Hours. Each Green Pill a Player takes > has a 50% chance of curing them of this Disease. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill (and 1 for Kevan's earlier accepted proposal (and 1 for Feyd's, too (you getting all this, Nurse?))) > Proposal - Claustrophobia and Agoraphobia > > Add two new Diseases:- > > Claustrophobia (Psychosis) > Whenever a Rule is repealed, all Players with Claustrophobia lose > 5 Soul Points, all Players with Agorophobia gain 5 Soul Points, > and there is a 50% chance of the Rule's original Proposer > contracting Claustrophobia. > > If a Player with Claustrophobia contracts Agoraphobia, they are > cured of Claustrophobia. > > Agoraphobia (Psychosis) > Whenever a new Rule is enacted, all Players with Agoraphobia lose > 5 Soul Points, all Players with Claustrophobia gain 5 Soul Points, > and each Player (other than the Rule's Proposer) has an 'x' per > cent chance of contracting Agoraphobia, where 'x' is the highest > Rule number in the Ruleset. > > If a Player with Agoraphobia contracts Claustrophobia, they are > cured of Agoraphobia. > > To the Rule "Body and Soul", add the paragraph:- > > Body Points and Soul Points have a defined range. If either is less > than zero for any Player, it is set to zero. If either is above 120, > it is set to 120. ACCEPTED. One more green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:48:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:48:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 69683 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:48:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:49:48 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828FEA@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:48:42 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22945; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:48:41 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission References: <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:48:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Mark Nau"'s message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Mark Nau" writes: > To create a new rule entitled "Pill Exchange" > > A player wishing to make a pill exchange shall notify the Nurse of the > exchange e wants to make, and the Nurse shall adjust the number of pills > that player owns, provided the exchange is explicitly authorized by the > Ruleset. > > A player may exchange two green pills for one red pill. > A player may exchange one red pill and one blue pill for one yellow pill. ACCEPTED. One green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:50:08 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 98352 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 18:50:08 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00828FF5@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:50:08 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA23349; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:50:07 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission References: <4.1.20001214131056.0169b848@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:50:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:36:30 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 48 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > [The following proposal removes the section called "Nurse" in Rule 14 and > makes it its own rule for additions and modifications.] > > === > > I hereby propose the following: > > Proposal 1: > Amend Rule 14 removing the Section labeled "Nurse". > > Proposal 2: > Create a new Rule [15?] labeled "Nurse" which states the following: > > The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the > gamestate. The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. As compensation > for such duties, the Nurse shall receive 2 soul points, 5 body points, and > 3 additional green pills during each Office Hours to keep em healthy. > > If a player wants to take a pill, e notifies that nurse of it via email. > The Nurse shall then administer (adjust) the number of pills that player > owns according to the notification. > > When the Nurse administers pills, e must also take one green pill as > preventive medicine, lose 1 body point for being exposed to infection, and > gain 1 soul point for being such a good player. If the Nurse fails to take > the preventive medicine before the next Office Hours, e shall lose 5 body > points and 3 soul points for being so foolish. > > The Nurse shall be deemed "susceptible to infection" when eir body points > is below 75. At this point, the Nurse will be infected with any disease or > disorder that e administers pills for. If eir body points is below 35, Doc > must choose a new Nurse to take over. The Nurse may convert eir soul points > to body points at a ration of 2:1 at any time to stay "healthy". > > The Nurse's actions shall be announced to the other Players and Doc via > email by making a Proclamation of Administration listing all actions > requested by other players and the Nurse. Doc will then adjust the > gamestate to reflect the Administration adjustments. Failure to make at > least one Proclomation of Administration between Office Hours events shall > reduce the Nurse's body and soul points by 25 points each. ACCEPTED. I share Kevan's concern about the downside of Nursing and will welcome proposal addressing that. 1 yellow pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:50:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:50:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 58715 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:52:03 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0082902B@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:50:58 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA23602; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:50:57 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission References: <"Mark Nau"'s message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0800"> <007b01c06600$084f6cf0$6abd9440@treyarch.com> <4.1.20001214141207.017b3938@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:50:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:12:23 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > No problem. You may want to modify my last proposal to reflect that change. I'll do that. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 10:55:06 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 18:55:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 70966 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 18:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 18:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:56:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00829054@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:55:05 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA24212; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:55:04 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Medical Brief: NURSE, Proposals References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001215095812.06e137c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 13:55:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:40:38 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 66 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Proposal > > I propose that all references to "Point of Order" in the gamestate and > ruleset be renamed "Medical Brief". I also propose that all references to > "Proclomation" in the gamestate and ruleset be renamed "Medical Board > Memorandum". REJECTED. As with the "Players->Patients" proposal, I don't want to embed the theme that deeply. Hmm. I will expound on this more in a separate communication. > Proposal > > I propose a new rule labeled "Intern" stating the following: > > At any point in the game, Doc may appoint an Intern. An Intern's role will > be to help in the decision making process [[a co-Doc]]. Doc may accept, > reject, or ignore the oppinions of the Intern without comment. Doc may > appoint the Intern to temporarily take on the certain responsibilities of > the office of Doc by making a Proclomation [["Medical Board Memorandum"]] > declaring the current responsibilities. This will also be noted under the > Office Holders section in the Gamestate. The Intern, if unable to adjust > the gamestate or ruleset, shall publish updated rules or gamestate > information to the mailing list whereby it shall supercede any other > publication until such time as Doc may make permanent adjustments. [[This > allows for Doc's vacation, but game continuation]]. Doc may at any time > NULL actions performed by the Intern. Any act by a player attempting to > perform Intern duties (opinions, etc) shall be consider "Malpractice" and > that player shall lose 5 Soul points. The Intern will receive 2 Soul points > during each Office Hours for being such a good person. > > [[if Cash is ever accepted, then we can then amend this rule to have > further compensation]] REJECTED, on the grounds that it illegalizes the comment process by non-Interns. > Proposal: Proposals and Appeals Mechanism > > I propose the following amendments: > > Rule three be modified to include the following text: > > Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed > by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. The body of the message > must begin with the following text: "Proposal:" followed by the label for > the proposal or it shall be ignored. > > Rule five be modified to include the following text: > > Each Point of Order [[Medical Brief]] must have in its Subject line the > text: "Point of Order:" [[or "Medical Brief:"]] followed by a label of the > Proposal or Rule in reference or it shall be ignored. The body of the > message must begin with the following text: "Point of Order:" [[or "Medical > Brief:"]] followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it > shall be ignored. Each Proclamation [[Medical Board Memorandum]] shall > follow a similar format at the Doc's discretion. REJECTED solely because I see no reason to burden people with the requirement on the first line of the body. Formatting the subject line is a good idea, but should be sufficient. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 11:06:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 92885 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:06:28 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215190928.XEFZ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:09:28 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215130542.016e3ad8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:07:22 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal Ammendment: Proposals, etc. In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001215095812.06e137c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I ammend my previous proposal: Proposal: Proposals and Appeals Mechanism I propose the following amendments: Rule three be modified to include the following text: Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. Rule five be modified to include the following text: Each Point of Order must have in its Subject line the text: "Point of Order:" followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it shall be ignored. Each Proclamation shall follow a similar format at the Doc's discretion. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 11:07:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:07:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 9943 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 20:08:57 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008291B3@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:07:49 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA26325; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:07:48 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Vacation References: <4.1.20001215104111.06e39a40@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 14:07:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:04:16 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 66 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Proposal: Vacation > > See the "Intern" proposal for vacation Doc allowances. > > I propose the following rule: > > Vacation: Any player may declare themselves on vacation for a given period > of time and shall be noted in the gamestate. During this time, any diseases > or other ailments that player currently holds shall go into "recession". > While in "recession", the player shall not take any pills or other > treatment leading to a cure. > > While on vacation, a player shall not receive any perks, prescriptions, or > other increases or decreases to their pill count[[, cash (if accepted)]], > etc. A vacationing player may be infected by new diseases or ailments, but > they shall be in recession until such time as that player returns. This > shall be noted in their gamestate. > > Any Proposals or Proclamations [[Medical Briefs]] received from the player > while on vacation shall be ignored EXCEPT for a required Proclamation > [[Medical Brief]] stating that they are no longer on vacation. Upon > returning from vacation, that player's gamestate shall be modified and any > diseases or ailments in recession shall become active diseases or ailments > subject to treatment for a cure. REJECTED because: - Players can't issue Proclamations. That's a term reserved for Doc's exercise of his omnipotence over the ruleset and gamestate. Your first use of the term probably should have been "Point of Order" and as for your second, "message" would be sufficient. - You don't specify how a player declares emself to be on vacation. (They should do so via a message to the list, of course.) - The word "recession" should, I think, be "remission". The above could be trivially fixed without altering the meaning, but there are other problems: - Players can contract diseases while on vacation. They don't have to do anything about them until they get back -- but then they've got potentially several weeks' worth of diseases to deal with all at once. I understand the point about not wanting people to abuse vacation, but there are other ways to address that. E.g., dock the player 10 body points for going on vacation? - The big one: Much of this rule would have no effect! E.g. "While on vacation, a player shall not receive any perks, prescriptions, or other increases or decreases to their pill count..." This conflicts with existing rules that specify players do get prescriptions, perks, etc. And any conflict is resolved in favor of the rule with the lower number! For the rule to work, you'd have to either (1) amend existing rules to say "active player" instead of "player" where applicable (and define "active player" to mean "not on vacation") or (2) use a subterfuge I used on n_omic, defining the act of going on vacation as making one a non-player, but one with the privilege of resuming as a player with points (pills, cash, etc.) intact. The second approach requires care, since it then makes the vacationer subject to *none* of the rules that apply to players, and that might be going too far. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 11:17:25 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:17:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 72794 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:17:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 20:18:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00829267@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:17:24 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27736; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:17:22 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal submission References: <4.1.20001214131056.0169b848@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 14:17:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu's message of "15 Dec 2000 13:50:07 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Note that I changed "Proclamation of Administration" to "Nurse's Report" to avoid overloading the term "Proclamation". -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 11:18:26 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:18:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 81637 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:18:25 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00829277@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:18:26 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27975; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:18:25 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal Ammendment: Proposals, etc. References: <91d9pu+b2pr@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001215130542.016e3ad8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 14:18:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:07:22 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I ammend my previous proposal: > > Proposal: Proposals and Appeals Mechanism > > I propose the following amendments: > > Rule three be modified to include the following text: > > Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed > by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. > > Rule five be modified to include the following text: > > Each Point of Order must have in its Subject line the text: "Point of > Order:" followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it > shall be ignored. Each Proclamation shall follow a similar format at the > Doc's discretion. ACCEPTED. One green pill. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 15 11:39:14 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:39:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 803 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:39:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.117] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 19:39:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:39:08 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" Message-ID: <91ds0s+ao5n@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 845 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" A player with an "Airborne Disease" can try to intentially infect another player. The player with the airborne disease does so by posting a message to the group with the Subject line stating: "I *COUGH* on " or any subject line with the words *COUGH* and another player's name (refered to here as ). has a 50% chance of becoming infected. If the infecting player has more than one airborne disease then once disease is chosen at random to be transmitted (50% chance). Infecting another patient isn't a very kind thing to do, even if it's an accident, and the infecting play automatically loses 5 soul points for the attempt. If the attempt succeeds, the pharmacy can't help but be a touch happy, and gives the player causing the infection 1 green pill. From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 15 11:41:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:41:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 48712 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:41:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.117] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 19:41:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:40:55 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Ammend Rule 10 (adding diseases) Message-ID: <91ds47+qjur@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 573 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Feyd " writes: > > > Ammend Rule 10 to add the following text concerning Diseases: > > ------------begin text --------------------------------- > > Any use of "[[ text ]]" should be construed as a non-rule comment. > > > > Addiction (Psychosis) > > Once a week, during Office Hours, the player with the most pills > > (regardless of color) is designated the "Addict" for the upcoming > > week. > ACCEPTED. > - Doc Was this accepted during Office Hours? If so then who is our current addict? Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 15 11:44:45 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:44:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 35689 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:44:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.101] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 19:44:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:44:43 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: PROPOSAL: Limit to active proposals Message-ID: <91dsbb+2gpg@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 497 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " I think it cool that so many proposals are being thrown out here. however, we are getting too many to consider how they might interact with each other. Doc, I kinda hope you don't accept this, but here goes: PROPOSAL: Limit to Active Proposals Only a single proposal or a single point of order may be presented in a single mail message. A player may have only 3 proposals active at one time. An active proposal is one that is pending (i.e. neither accepted or Denied by the Doc). Feyd From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 11:51:10 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 19:51:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 72577 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 19:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 19:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 19:51:10 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215195410.XLOX382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:54:10 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215135051.016a0ed0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:52:02 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] PROPOSAL: Limit to active proposals In-Reply-To: <91dsbb+2gpg@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart In my humble opinion, this might be best suited as an amendment to Rule 3 versus being a new rule. It would keep our ruleset down. At 07:44 PM 12/15/2000 +0000, you wrote: >I think it cool that so many proposals are being thrown out here. >however, we are getting too many to consider how they might interact >with each other. Doc, I kinda hope you don't accept this, but here >goes: > >PROPOSAL: Limit to Active Proposals >Only a single proposal or a single point of order may be presented in >a single mail message. >A player may have only 3 proposals active at one time. An active >proposal is one that is pending (i.e. neither accepted or Denied by >the Doc). > >Feyd > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 12:03:35 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 20:03:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 90908 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 20:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 20:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 21:04:40 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008296BD@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:03:34 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA06851; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:03:33 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Theme thoughts Date: 15 Dec 2000 15:03:33 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 42 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu I've rejected a couple of proposals on grounds something like "it embeds the theme too pervasively in the rules". Let me clarify that -- or muddy it. I built the initial ruleset with the idea in mind that there would be no termination condition for the game, but that it would be divided into rounds that have a termination condition (someone wins). Deliberately, I didn't put in anything about the ruleset reverting to its initial state, or anything like that, for each new round. I didn't want to lose any particularly good and useful rule changes. At the same time, I envisioned that any rules that develop a particular theme might be subject to a repeal proposal -- or even a repeal proclamation -- at the start of a new round. To some extent I had FRC in mind in so thinking. Now I think perhaps I should have followed FRC's example more closely, and made a distinction between theme-developing rules and more general, non-theme rules (corresponding to FRC's Fantasy Rules and Regular Ordinances). Not that I'd want to turn DocNomic into an FRC clone. For one thing, I'd rather have each round be longer, slower, and more developed than a typical FRC round. Certainly none of this round-killing "e who posts the last valid rule wins". I mean, I enjoy FRC, but I want DocNomic to have a different set of flaws! I'm not even sure I'd want the theme-developing rules to expire automatically with each new round. If we're having fun with a particular theme, it'd be nice to have the option of retaining it. At the same time, if a theme is getting a bit stale, it'd be nice to have the option of easily jettisoning it by repealing the theme-based rules. Note, by the way, the start of BiNomic, another bilevel Nomic exploring a similar structure. (or just ask Mark!) Any thoughts? -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 12:08:53 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 20:08:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 87350 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 20:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 20:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 20:08:53 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00829800@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:08:52 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA07900; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:08:52 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: PROPOSAL: Ammend Rule 10 (adding diseases) References: <91ds47+qjur@eGroups.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 15:08:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:40:55 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Was this accepted during Office Hours? If so then who is our current > addict? No, Office Hours were yesterday. There's nothing that restricts acceptance of rules to Office Hours. So there will be no Addict until next week. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 15 12:16:20 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 20:16:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 9433 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00829922@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:16:19 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA09280; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:16:18 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] PROPOSAL: Limit to active proposals References: <4.1.20001215135051.016a0ed0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Dec 2000 15:16:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:52:02 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > In my humble opinion, this might be best suited as an amendment to Rule 3 > versus being a new rule. It would keep our ruleset down. > > > At 07:44 PM 12/15/2000 +0000, you wrote: > >I think it cool that so many proposals are being thrown out here. > >however, we are getting too many to consider how they might interact > >with each other. Doc, I kinda hope you don't accept this, but here > >goes: > > > >PROPOSAL: Limit to Active Proposals > >Only a single proposal or a single point of order may be presented in > >a single mail message. > >A player may have only 3 proposals active at one time. An active > >proposal is one that is pending (i.e. neither accepted or Denied by > >the Doc). REJECTED for the above good reason (of course the "single point of order" bit should go in Rule 5, not Rule 3); it also could be considerably less wordy, since the phrase "pending proposal" is already defined. And it doesn't say what to do about it if someone makes a fourth pending proposal. (E.g. ignore it.) And finally, does it help much? How many instances of players having more than 3 pending proposals have we had so far? And we have, what, 8 players right now? That allows for 24 simultaneous pending proposals. Perhaps individual and total limits combined would be better. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 15 13:12:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 21:12:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 11169 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 21:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 21:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 21:12:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.230] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 21:12:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:12:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: New Position -- Epidemiologist Message-ID: <91e1gl+p0nf@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2350 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " -------------------------------------------- Doc, this is such a cool word!! If you don't like the powers of the Epidemiologist, let's change them but keep the rule!! I also don't know about the auto-cure feature -- maybe that should be a "potion" that has a 50% change of curing, rather than just stating that a disease is cured? --------------------------------------------------------------- PROPOSAL: The Epidemiologist An Epidemiologist studies Diseases and their effects. This study is call Epidemiology. The name of the player who holds the office of Epidemiologist shall be part of the gamestate. The Epidemiologist keeps track of current diseases. Diseases will be listed as a database on the egroups web site. The Epidemiologist will be responsible for making sure this database properly reflects diseases described in the rules. If the site is not updated at least once between Office Hours the Epidemiologist loses 25 health points (he obviously caught a nasty bug if he can't update the site). As compensation for such duties, the Epidemiologist shall receive 1 red pill and 1 yellow pill each week during office hours. Epidemiologist are very healthy because they know all about diseases an special treatments, and usually walk around wearing a mask. Because of this health they may trade health point for soul points on a 3:1 basis. They are also bitter because everyone always mispronounces their name or gets them mixed up with Entomologist. Because of this bitterness and their familarity with diseases the Epidemiologist may spend 15 soul points and infect any player with any disease that currently exists in the rules. If someone posts a message to the official mailing list that misspells "Epidemiologist" or "Epidemiology" then the Epidemiologist may chose to infect them with a disease for only 5 soul points. Epidemiologist also rarely import special one-of-a-kind formulas to treat diseases. Between Office Hours they may cure ONE and only ONE disease that any player has if they so wish. The Epidemiologist may NOT cure themselves -- they aren't about to try experimental junk! The Epidemiologist gets 1 soul point for performing such a kind act. The Doc may appoint a new Epidemiologist at any time. Upon Acceptance of this rule the Feyd will become the Epidemiologist. Feyd From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 15 13:20:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 21:20:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 33593 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 21:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 21:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 22:22:03 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001215212358.YACG382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:23:58 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001215151853.015f6088@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:21:52 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: New Position -- Epidemiologist In-Reply-To: <91e1gl+p0nf@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Feyd, >Epidemiologist are very healthy because they know all about diseases >an special treatments, and usually walk around wearing a mask. >Because of this health they may trade health point for soul points on >a 3:1 basis. They are also bitter because everyone always >mispronounces their name or gets them mixed up with Entomologist. You state they (I'm not even going to spell it) are very healthy... but you didn't have a way for them to gain significant body or soul points. Was this intentional? All you said was that they get some pills. Maybe the Ep. taking a certain pill gives them n points for body or soul. Also, I think you mean BODY points not HEALTH points. right? From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 15 13:50:41 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Dec 2000 21:50:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 21744 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2000 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Dec 2000 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2000 21:50:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.104] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2000 21:50:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:50:36 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Amends for Doc Re: Proposal: New Position -- Epidemiologist Message-ID: <91e3nc+c21h@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001215151853.015f6088@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1049 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: >You state they (I'm not even going to spell it) are very healthy... but you >didn't have a way for them to gain significant body or soul points. Was >this intentional? All you said was that they get some pills. Maybe the Ep. >taking a certain pill gives them n points for body or soul. Also, I think >you mean BODY points not HEALTH points. right? I did mean "Body", not "health". Please note that Doc. Epidemiologists help maintain the game state, but they have more ability to cause mischief in game rather than help. I would prefer that they not get too many bonuses, while still having fun. Their health has more to do with resisting disease. Hmm.. ok, how about this? DOC, AMEND THE PROPOSAL AS FOLLOWS: "Because of their good health, whenever an Epidemiologist would normally contract any disease, e gets one additional 25% change to NOT catch the disease." There. no extra body points, but maybe can reduce change of disease, which seems reasonable. Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Dec 16 15:37:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Dec 2000 23:37:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 25729 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2000 23:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2000 23:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 00:38:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0082E5BE@mailer.syr.edu>; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:37:30 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA26091; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:37:29 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" References: <91ds0s+ao5n@eGroups.com> Date: 16 Dec 2000 18:37:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:39:08 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" > > A player with an "Airborne Disease" can try to intentially infect > another player. The player with the airborne disease does so by > posting a message to the group with the Subject line stating: > "I *COUGH* on " > or any subject line with the words *COUGH* and another player's name > (refered to here as ). > > has a 50% chance of becoming infected. If the infecting > player has more than one airborne disease then once disease is chosen > at random to be transmitted (50% chance). > > Infecting another patient isn't a very kind thing to do, even if it's > an accident, and the infecting play automatically loses 5 soul points > for the attempt. If the attempt succeeds, the pharmacy can't help > but be a touch happy, and gives the player causing the infection 1 > green pill. ACCEPTED. I suspect 50% is way too high but we'll see. I take it this should have been preceded with "Create a new rule:", and since you didn't specify a name for the new rule, I will. 1 yellow pill. Pharmacy? Do we need a Pharmacist now? -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Dec 16 15:41:01 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Dec 2000 23:41:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 42199 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2000 23:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2000 23:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Dec 2000 23:41:00 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0082E5D8@mailer.syr.edu>; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:41:00 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA26394; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:40:59 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Amends for Doc Re: Proposal: New Position -- Epidemiologist References: <91e3nc+c21h@eGroups.com> Date: 16 Dec 2000 18:40:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:50:36 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 6 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu The rules don't provide for amendments to pending proposals. So I'll just REJECT the original proposal, and you're free to submit a new version. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Dec 16 15:46:24 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Dec 2000 23:46:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 24813 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2000 23:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2000 23:46:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Dec 2000 23:46:23 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0082E5FB@mailer.syr.edu>; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:46:22 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA26797; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:46:22 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Directive D3 (was Re: [DocNomic] PROPOSAL: Limit to active proposals) References: <4.1.20001215135051.016a0ed0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 16 Dec 2000 18:46:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu's message of "15 Dec 2000 15:16:18 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Directive D3: Fear of Rejection Another angle on the proposal glut might be to observe that the current rules provide perks for accepted proposals, but no penalties for rejected ones -- thus no incentive not to flood the system. The current rules also provide for both ignoring and rejecting proposals, but do not specify different effects for the two actions. If rejection carried some penalty, but ignoring didn't, then the distinction would be meaningful, whereas at present it isn't. Players are directed to give some thought to proposals addressing this. -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Sun Dec 17 02:40:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 17 Dec 2000 10:40:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 58737 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2000 10:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2000 10:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.91) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 10:40:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.132] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2000 10:40:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:40:05 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Automated Patient Data Message-ID: <91i565+fm4h@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 668 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.49.228.19 From: kevan@somethingorother.com Just to mention the scrawling of a *very* basic patient-data script; I've so far just got it logging three pill colours and the "Cough" disease, and using a particularly ugly and fiddly interface to do so. If we decide to go along with it, I'll naturally make it easier to use and nicer to look at. http://uncertain.org/~kevan/cgi-bin/docnomic.cgi Play around and let me know what you think, anyway. (For what it's worth, the change log would eventually include times, dates and IP addresses, and Players will be required to enter a password before they could change anything.) Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "What seems to be the problem?" From Nomic1@aol.com Sun Dec 17 08:06:44 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 17 Dec 2000 16:06:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 7172 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2000 16:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2000 16:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mu.egroups.com) (10.1.1.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 16:06:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.116] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2000 16:06:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:06:40 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Resubmit of Proposal: New Position -- Epidemiologist Message-ID: <91ioag+r55s@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91e1gl+p0nf@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2713 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.224 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Feyd " wrote: I have Replied and the edited the amends in. > -------------------------------------------- > Doc, this is such a cool word!! If you don't like the powers of the > Epidemiologist, let's change them but keep the rule!! I also don't > know about the auto-cure feature -- maybe that should be a "potion" > that has a 50% change of curing, rather than just stating that a > disease is cured? > --------------------------------------------------------------- > PROPOSAL: The Epidemiologist > An Epidemiologist studies Diseases and their effects. This study is > call Epidemiology. > > The name of the player who holds the office of Epidemiologist shall > be part of the gamestate. The Epidemiologist keeps track of current > diseases. Diseases will be listed as a database on the egroups web > site. The Epidemiologist will be responsible for making sure this > database properly reflects diseases described in the rules. If the > site is not updated at least once between Office Hours the > Epidemiologist loses 25 health points (he obviously caught a nasty > bug if he can't update the site). As compensation for such duties, > the Epidemiologist shall receive 1 red pill and 1 yellow pill each > week during office hours. > > Epidemiologist are very healthy because they know all about diseases > and special treatments, and usually walk around wearing a mask. > Because of this health they may trade body points for soul points on > a 3:1 basis. Because of their good health, whenever an Epidemiologist would normally contract any disease, e gets one additional 25% change to NOT catch the disease. Epidemiologist are also bitter because everyone always > mispronounces their name or gets them mixed up with Entomologist. > > Because of this bitterness and their familarity with diseases the > Epidemiologist may spend 15 soul points and infect any player with > any disease that currently exists in the rules. If someone posts a > message to the official mailing list that misspells "Epidemiologist" > or "Epidemiology" then the Epidemiologist may chose to infect them > with a disease for only 5 soul points. > > Epidemiologist also rarely import special one-of-a-kind formulas to > treat diseases. Between Office Hours they may cure ONE and only ONE > disease that any player has if they so wish. The Epidemiologist may > NOT cure themselves -- they aren't about to try experimental junk! > The Epidemiologist gets 1 soul point for performing such a kind act. > > The Doc may appoint a new Epidemiologist at any time. Upon > Acceptance of this rule the Feyd will become the Epidemiologist. > > Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Sun Dec 17 08:10:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 17 Dec 2000 16:10:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 29346 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta2 with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.133] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:10:31 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Automated Patient Data Message-ID: <91iohn+fptp@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91i565+fm4h@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 854 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.248 From: "Feyd " Note: Looks like the person entering data and the patient are both getting created and updated. --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > Just to mention the scrawling of a *very* basic patient-data script; > I've so far just got it logging three pill colours and the "Cough" > disease, and using a particularly ugly and fiddly interface to do so. > If we decide to go along with it, I'll naturally make it easier to > use and nicer to look at. > > http://uncertain.org/~kevan/cgi-bin/docnomic.cgi > > Play around and let me know what you think, anyway. (For what it's > worth, the change log would eventually include times, dates and IP > addresses, and Players will be required to enter a password before > they could change anything.) > > Kevan > > -- > http://uncertain.org/~kevan > "What seems to be the problem?" From kevan@somethingorother.com Sun Dec 17 12:17:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 17 Dec 2000 20:17:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 67762 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2000 20:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2000 20:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 20:17:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.4] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2000 20:17:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:17:09 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Automated Patient Data Message-ID: <91j705+8u4t@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91iohn+fptp@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 579 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.135.49 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Note: Looks like the person entering data and the patient are both > getting created and updated. Mm, the script naturally has no way of knowing that "Feyd Nomid", "Fedy Nomic" and "Feyd Nomic" are supposed to be the same person. (It assumes that anyone mentioned as a Player or Target must be a Player, and creates their details accordingly if it hasn't heard of them before.) But a polished version of it would have all Player names as drop-down menus to avoid the problem of typing mistakes. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I know exactly what they are." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sun Dec 17 13:46:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 17 Dec 2000 21:46:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 60914 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2000 21:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2000 21:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 22:47:35 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008310DA@mailer.syr.edu>; 17 Dec 2000 16:46:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA03780; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:46:29 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Automated Patient Data References: <91j705+8u4t@eGroups.com> Date: 17 Dec 2000 16:46:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:17:09 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Hmm, does this require Java or something? I see a form allowing me to fill in my name, the name of a player, and a comment, but next to "Adjustment" there is nothing, and if I just fill in the two names and select "Administer" nothing seems to change. I'm using Netscape 4.75 under Linux, with Java turned off. -- - Doc From jjweston@pop.net Sun Dec 17 19:07:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 03:07:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 67081 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 03:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 03:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 03:07:15 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjuau06001 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:07:14 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001217190705.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:07:05 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Chronic Ignorability Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston Ammend rule 14 by striking from the 4th paragraph the sentence, "A player with a Chronic Disease may also not make any proposals," and replacing it with "All proposals made by a player with a Chronic Disease are ignored." - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Sun Dec 17 19:20:27 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 03:20:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 98528 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 03:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 03:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 03:20:26 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjuav20667 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:20:25 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001217192016.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:20:16 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Fear of Rejection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston Amend rule 10 by adding the following disease: Fear of Rejection (Psychosis) Whenever a proposal is rejected, the player who proposed it is afflicted with "Fear of Rejection". If the player already is afflicted with this disease, it becomes chronic. Whenever a player with the non-chronic form of this disease has one of their proposals accepted, they are immediately cured. Amend rule 14 by adding the following paragraph: The cure for "Fear of Rejection" is one purple pill for one week. Amend rule 15 by adding the following exchange: - A player may exchange one yellow pill for two purple pills. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Sun Dec 17 19:29:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 03:29:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 50294 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 03:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 03:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 03:29:10 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjuav29192 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:29:09 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001217192900.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:29:00 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Cash at Office Hours Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston Amend rule 11 by striking the third paragraph and replacing it with: During office hours, every player gains a hundred cash. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Sun Dec 17 19:38:52 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 03:38:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 42108 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 03:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 03:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 03:38:51 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjuaw09282 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:38:50 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001217193841.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:38:41 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Better Perks for the Nurse Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston Amend rule 16 as follows: Strike the third paragraph. Strike from the fourth paragraph the phrase, "Doc must choose a new Nurse to take over," and replace it with "the nurse is no longer able to fulfill eir role." Add a new paragraph that reads: If at any time the Nurse is unable to fulfill eir role, or that player wishes to vacate the office, Doc must choose a new nurse to take over. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From oairhart@ispchannel.com Sun Dec 17 22:43:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 06:43:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 65416 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 06:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 06:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 07:44:43 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001218064639.LBAI382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:46:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001218004109.01316028@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:44:56 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Pills Amendment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Amend Rule 8 to include the following text: Pill colors are limited to red, green, yellow, and blue. ------------ Feel free to inlcude Purple if you must or I propose that we change all instances to purple pills in recently proposed rule changes to be yellow pills. ------------- If proposals keep adding pill colors, the Nurse will never be able to adequately keep track of them. The gamestate database has to be modified each time. Adding new colors is like over printing currency... it causes inflation. Ottis Airhart Nurse From jjweston@pop.net Sun Dec 17 23:04:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 07:04:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 14680 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 07:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 07:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 07:04:09 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjubk19171 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:04:08 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001217230359.011231b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:03:59 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston Enact a new rule: While any player has contracted all of the diseases described in the ruleset in chronic form simultaneously, they suffer what is known as the "Monty Burns Effect". In short, all of the diseases in the body act in perfect harmony to keep the body from dying. Any player suffering the "Monty Burns Effect" has the title of "The Winner of Round 1". - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Dec 18 03:18:23 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 11:18:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 12459 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 11:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 11:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 11:18:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.104] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2000 11:18:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:18:19 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Automated Patient Data Message-ID: <91krpr+re6j@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 516 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Hmm, does this require Java or something? I see a form allowing me to > fill in my name, the name of a player, and a comment, but next to > "Adjustment" there is nothing, and if I just fill in the two names and > select "Administer" nothing seems to change. > > I'm using Netscape 4.75 under Linux, with Java turned off. Feh, I forgot to close a tag; Internet Explorer is entirely less fussy about such things. It should work alright now. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Obscurity knocks." From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Dec 18 05:59:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 13:59:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 68387 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 13:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 13:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 13:59:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.23] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2000 13:59:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:59:38 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect Message-ID: <91l58a+ijv0@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001217230359.011231b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 727 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > While any player has contracted all of the diseases described in the > ruleset in chronic form simultaneously, they suffer what is known as the > "Monty Burns Effect". In short, all of the diseases in the body act in > perfect harmony to keep the body from dying. Any player suffering the > "Monty Burns Effect" has the title of "The Winner of Round 1". Excellent. But sadly unattainable with Claustrophobia and Agoraphobia taking precedence over one another. I suppose adjusting them to allow both at once would be fair enough, provided that the Soul adjustments were tilted so that they didn't cancel out so exactly... Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Nothing can stop me now... except microscopic germs." From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Dec 18 07:44:26 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 15:44:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 89933 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 15:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 15:44:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.67] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2000 15:44:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:44:16 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: ROTFL (nt) Re: Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect Message-ID: <91lbcg+63pm@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001217230359.011231b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 9 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " ROTFL!!! From jjweston@pop.net Mon Dec 18 08:00:23 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 16:00:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 38095 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 16:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 16:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 16:00:23 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjucu25609 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:00:22 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001218080003.0168de20@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:00:03 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect In-Reply-To: <91l58a+ijv0@eGroups.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20001217230359.011231b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston At 01:59 PM 12/18/2000 -0000, you wrote: >Excellent. > >But sadly unattainable with Claustrophobia and Agoraphobia taking >precedence over one another. I suppose adjusting them to allow both >at once would be fair enough, provided that the Soul adjustments were >tilted so that they didn't cancel out so exactly... Yeah, I'm aware of those two diseases being unable to be attained simultaneously. If "The Monty Burns Affect" passes, I'll look into adjusting those two diseases. I already have one proposal amending rule 10, so I think I'll wait until that passes first. Of course, if someone else has a bright idea along these lines....go for it! ;-) - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Dec 18 09:32:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 17:32:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 95107 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 17:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 17:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 17:32:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.91] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2000 17:32:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:32:35 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect Message-ID: <91lhnj+cfkr@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001218080003.0168de20@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 370 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " Why not amend the proposal to state, "In cases where two diseases are mutually exclusive, then the player must have either one or the other in a cronic state." > so I think I'll wait until that passes first. Of course, if someone else > has a bright idea along these lines....go for it! ;-) personally I would rather see the proposal fixed before it passes... Feyd From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Mon Dec 18 10:12:08 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 18:12:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 25370 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 18:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 18:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.122) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 18:12:03 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjudc16376 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:12:02 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:12:00 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/18/2000 12:17:49 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Why not amend the proposal? Well... I can't. Its been proposed, and I can't change it. It will either be accepted, rejected, or ignored as is. However, the proposal is not broke. There is already a precedent where a condition is described that is not attainable by the current rules. Take a look at rule 7. It describes how to win by giving an unattainable objective. The point being that players would find a creative way to attain that objective. I choose to take that same approach with "The Monty Burns Affect". I could try to plug every hole with every proposal I make, but then my proposals would be huge. And what fun would that be? ;-) - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Feyd wrote: Why not amend the proposal to state, "In cases where two diseases are mutually exclusive, then the player must have either one or the other in a cronic state." personally I would rather see the proposal fixed before it passes... From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Dec 18 13:02:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 21:02:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 72273 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 21:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 21:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 21:02:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.34] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2000 21:02:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:02:05 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" Message-ID: <91lu0d+7u4m@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 616 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Feyd " writes: > > PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" > ACCEPTED. I suspect 50% is way too high but we'll see. I take it > this should have been preceded with "Create a new rule:", and since > you didn't specify a name for the new rule, I will. 1 yellow pill. Doc, I am confused. I thought the text "PROPOSAL" in the subject line was an explicit notation that this was an "Add a new rule" instance unless otherwise stated. Secondly, I did suggest a new rule name. I called it, "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine". Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 13:55:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 21:55:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 31820 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 21:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 21:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 22:56:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008369AE@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:55:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA17873; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:55:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: PROPOSAL: "No really, I'm *cough* *cough* fine" References: <91lu0d+7u4m@eGroups.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 16:55:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:02:05 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Doc, > I am confused. I thought the text "PROPOSAL" in the subject line > was an explicit notation that this was an "Add a new rule" instance > unless otherwise stated. Nope -- a proposal can propose to add one or more rules, and/or repeal one or more rules, and/or amend one or more rules. There's no explicit default, though, as you've seen, I'm willing to assume a proposal like yours is proposing to add a rule. > Secondly, I did suggest a new rule name. I called it, "No really, I'm That was the name of the *proposal*... -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Dec 18 14:37:01 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 22:37:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 18931 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 22:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 22:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 22:37:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.106] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2000 22:37:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:36:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Winning state Message-ID: <91m3i5+a7v5@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 437 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " I propose a new rule entitled: "Survival of the Fittest" In addition to winning states defined in any other rule, a Player=20 will receive the title, "The Winner of Round 1" if all of the=20 following conditions are true: =B7 The Player has no diseases of any kind. =B7 The Player has at least 100 body points and 100 soul points. =B7 The Player has at least one of each color of pill. =B7 No other Player meets the above conditions. Feyd From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Mon Dec 18 15:25:42 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 18 Dec 2000 23:25:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 98044 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2000 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net) (198.5.241.86) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 23:25:41 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjudx02629 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:25:25 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Winning state To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:25:38 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/18/2000 05:31:28 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM This winning state seems too easy to achieve. After a rash of pill exchanges of one red pill and one blue pill for one yellow pill, all players except Jim Ingram will meet those conditions. The winner will be the player that manages to avoid getting any disease the longest. Since diseases are handed out more or less randomly, the winner will be determined by luck of the draw rather than any sort of skill. I would much rather see winning conditions that require more skill to attain. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Feyd wrote: I propose a new rule entitled: "Survival of the Fittest" In addition to winning states defined in any other rule, a Player will receive the title, "The Winner of Round 1" if all of the following conditions are true: =B7 The Player has no diseases of any kind. =B7 The Player has at least 100 body points and 100 soul points. =B7 The Player has at least one of each color of pill. =B7 No other Player meets the above conditions. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Mon Dec 18 16:17:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 00:17:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 42978 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 00:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 00:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 00:17:55 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219002056.RCNH382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:20:56 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001218181714.0129b080@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:19:08 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/18/00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Nurse's Report: 12/18/2000 - 6:15pm CST Jeff Weston has exchanged one red and one blue pill for one yellow pill. All changes have been made effective in the player gamestate. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Mon Dec 18 16:32:40 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 00:32:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 55918 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219003539.RFKC382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:35:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001218182045.012ae008@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:33:54 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Winning Methods Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose the following rule: Winning Methods All methods defining how a player may be named "The Winner of Round 1" shall be contained within this rule. Any method not thusly listed herein shall be ignored. Each method must be numbered incrementally starting with one and have a unique label for clarification. A player will be named "The Winner of Round 1" by only one of the following methods: 1. All Diseases, No Pills - The player has no pills in their possession and is not currently owed any pills of any color - The player has had at least one occurance of each disease. [[DOC: if you don't like the winning method #1, then feel free to remove it. We can always amend it later. I just think it would be great to have one location for all winning methods. Note also that I mentioned a player may win by having only ONE of the methods described in effect at a given moment to become the winner.]] From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 17:59:42 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 01:59:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 26349 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 01:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 01:59:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 01:59:41 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379B6@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:59:39 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA16825; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:59:38 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Resubmit of Proposal: New Position -- Epidemiologist References: <91ioag+r55s@eGroups.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 20:59:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:06:40 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 76 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Feyd " wrote: > I have Replied and the edited the amends in. > > -------------------------------------------- > > Doc, this is such a cool word!! If you don't like the powers of the > > Epidemiologist, let's change them but keep the rule!! I also don't > > know about the auto-cure feature -- maybe that should be a "potion" > > that has a 50% change of curing, rather than just stating that a > > disease is cured? > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > PROPOSAL: The Epidemiologist > > An Epidemiologist studies Diseases and their effects. This study is > > call Epidemiology. > > > > The name of the player who holds the office of Epidemiologist shall > > be part of the gamestate. The Epidemiologist keeps track of current > > diseases. Diseases will be listed as a database on the egroups web > > site. The Epidemiologist will be responsible for making sure this > > database properly reflects diseases described in the rules. If the > > site is not updated at least once between Office Hours the > > Epidemiologist loses 25 health points (he obviously caught a nasty > > bug if he can't update the site). As compensation for such duties, > > the Epidemiologist shall receive 1 red pill and 1 yellow pill each > > week during office hours. > > > > Epidemiologist are very healthy because they know all about > diseases > > and special treatments, and usually walk around wearing a mask. > > Because of this health they may trade body points for soul points > on > > a 3:1 basis. Because of their good health, > whenever an Epidemiologist would normally contract any disease, e > gets one additional 25% change to NOT catch the disease. > Epidemiologist are also bitter because everyone always > > mispronounces their name or gets them mixed up with Entomologist. > > > > Because of this bitterness and their familarity with diseases the > > Epidemiologist may spend 15 soul points and infect any player with > > any disease that currently exists in the rules. If someone posts a > > message to the official mailing list that > misspells "Epidemiologist" > > or "Epidemiology" then the Epidemiologist may chose to infect them > > with a disease for only 5 soul points. > > > > Epidemiologist also rarely import special one-of-a-kind formulas to > > treat diseases. Between Office Hours they may cure ONE and only > ONE > > disease that any player has if they so wish. The Epidemiologist > may > > NOT cure themselves -- they aren't about to try experimental junk! > > The Epidemiologist gets 1 soul point for performing such a kind act. > > > > The Doc may appoint a new Epidemiologist at any time. Upon > > Acceptance of this rule the Feyd will become the Epidemiologist. > > > > Feyd > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > ACCEPTED. 1 green pill, 1 blue pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:00:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:00:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 36131 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 02:00:16 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379BC@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:00:12 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA16926; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:00:12 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Chronic Ignorability References: <3.0.6.32.20001217190705.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:00:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jeff Weston's message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:07:05 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff Weston writes: > Ammend rule 14 by striking from the 4th paragraph the sentence, "A player > with a Chronic Disease may also not make any proposals," and replacing it > with "All proposals made by a player with a Chronic Disease are ignored." ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:01:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:01:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 39478 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:01:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 03:02:35 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379C6@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:01:26 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17017; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:01:26 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Fear of Rejection References: <3.0.6.32.20001217192016.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:01:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jeff Weston's message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:20:16 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff Weston writes: > Amend rule 10 by adding the following disease: > > Fear of Rejection (Psychosis) > Whenever a proposal is rejected, the player who proposed it is afflicted > with "Fear of Rejection". If the player already is afflicted with this > disease, it becomes chronic. Whenever a player with the non-chronic form of > this disease has one of their proposals accepted, they are immediately cured. > > Amend rule 14 by adding the following paragraph: > > The cure for "Fear of Rejection" is one purple pill for one week. > > Amend rule 15 by adding the following exchange: > > - A player may exchange one yellow pill for two purple pills. ACCEPTED. 1 purple pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:03:16 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:03:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 58059 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 03:04:21 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379D6@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:03:16 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17205; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:03:15 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Cash at Office Hours References: <3.0.6.32.20001217192900.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:03:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jeff Weston's message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:29:00 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff Weston writes: > Amend rule 11 by striking the third paragraph and replacing it with: > > During office hours, every player gains a hundred cash. Oops, I was going to make that fix when it was adopted (as I recall the proposer gave permission for that). ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. And 100 cash to everyone, in addition to this Thursday's... Merry Christmas! -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:03:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:03:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 22535 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 03:04:44 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379DA@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:03:38 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17296; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:03:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Better Perks for the Nurse References: <3.0.6.32.20001217193841.0113ae00@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:03:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jeff Weston's message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:38:41 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff Weston writes: > Amend rule 16 as follows: > > Strike the third paragraph. > > Strike from the fourth paragraph the phrase, "Doc must choose a new Nurse > to take over," and replace it with "the nurse is no longer able to fulfill > eir role." > > Add a new paragraph that reads: > If at any time the Nurse is unable to fulfill eir role, or that player > wishes to vacate the office, Doc must choose a new nurse to take over. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:04:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:04:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 47754 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 02:04:31 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379E3@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:04:30 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17405; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:04:30 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Pills Amendment References: <4.1.20001218004109.01316028@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:04:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:44:56 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Amend Rule 8 to include the following text: > > Pill colors are limited to red, green, yellow, and blue. > > > ------------ > Feel free to inlcude Purple if you must ACCEPTED with purple included. 1 purple pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:05:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:05:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 44700 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 02:05:53 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379EF@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:05:53 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17455; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:05:52 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: The Monty Burns Effect References: <3.0.6.32.20001217230359.011231b0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:05:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jeff Weston's message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:03:59 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff Weston writes: > Enact a new rule: > > While any player has contracted all of the diseases described in the > ruleset in chronic form simultaneously, they suffer what is known as the > "Monty Burns Effect". In short, all of the diseases in the body act in > perfect harmony to keep the body from dying. Any player suffering the > "Monty Burns Effect" has the title of "The Winner of Round 1". REJECTED. Too random... -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:06:20 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:06:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 53887 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 03:07:25 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008379F7@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:06:19 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17594; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:06:19 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Winning state References: <91m3i5+a7v5@eGroups.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:06:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:36:53 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > I propose a new rule entitled: "Survival of the Fittest" > In addition to winning states defined in any other rule, a Player > will receive the title, "The Winner of Round 1" if all of the > following conditions are true: > · The Player has no diseases of any kind. > · The Player has at least 100 body points and 100 soul points. > · The Player has at least one of each color of pill. > · No other Player meets the above conditions. REJECTED. Too random and too easy. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:08:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:08:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 50825 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 02:08:16 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00837A0C@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:08:16 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17777; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:08:15 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Winning Methods References: <4.1.20001218182045.012ae008@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:08:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:33:54 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose the following rule: > > Winning Methods > All methods defining how a player may be named "The Winner of Round 1" > shall be contained within this rule. Any method not thusly listed herein > shall be ignored. Each method must be numbered incrementally starting with > one and have a unique label for clarification. > > A player will be named "The Winner of Round 1" by only one of the following > methods: > > 1. All Diseases, No Pills > - The player has no pills in their possession and is not currently owed > any pills of any color > - The player has had at least one occurance of each disease. > > > > > > [[DOC: if you don't like the winning method #1, then feel free to remove > it. We can always amend it later. I just think it would be great to have > one location for all winning methods. Note also that I mentioned a player > may win by having only ONE of the methods described in effect at a given > moment to become the winner.]] ACCEPTED with deletion of the specified winning method -- again, too random and too easy (getting rid of pills is trivial, you just take them.) 1 yellow pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:13:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:13:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 27089 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 03:14:33 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00837A43@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:13:27 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA18368; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:13:27 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proclamation: Epidemiologist References: <91ioag+r55s@eGroups.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:13:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu's message of "18 Dec 2000 20:59:38 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu The sentence Upon Acceptance of this rule the Feyd will become the Epidemiologist. is hereby deleted from Rule 18 (having already taken effect). -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:26:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:26:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 64394 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 03:27:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00837B12@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:26:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19814; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:26:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Agoraphobia Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:26:36 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu We have two new rules: Rule 18 (Feyd) Each player besides Feyd has an 18% chance of contracting agoraphobia. 7 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.119903564453125 0.732147216796875 0.546661376953125 0.3807373046875 0.798583984375 0.0654296875 0.91253662109375 Britta and Mark get agoraphobia. Rule 19 (Ottis) Each player besides Ottis (and Britta and Mark, of course) has a 19% chance of contracting agoraphobia. 5 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.59307861328125 0.9498291015625 0.400848388671875 0.716949462890625 0.845916748046875 No one else gets agoraphobia. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 18:27:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 02:27:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 68042 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 02:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 02:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 02:27:49 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00837B1F@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:27:48 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19889; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:27:47 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Fear of Rejection Date: 18 Dec 2000 21:27:47 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff and Feyd have Fear of Rejection. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Dec 18 20:24:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 04:24:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 1587 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 04:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 04:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 05:25:38 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083827B@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:24:33 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA03536; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:24:32 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: The Nurse asks the doc of docnomic References: <4.1.20001218204032.02ea2b48@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 18 Dec 2000 23:24:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:42:39 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I see that the adjustments were made for the diseases in the database. It > did not appear that you adjusted the pill counts, so I did. The rules don't > state that as your responsibility now, but just wanted to make sure you > didn't. Right. The rules say "The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions" and strictly speaking, Prescriptions and Perks are two different things. However, it makes sense to me to have one person tracking both. It's starting to seem a little daft to have the Nurse maintaining one column of the database and me the others, but that's the way it seems to be at the moment. Now that Kevan's fixed his HTML I can use his form and it looks like it could provide an easier way to maintain the gamedata, even if one person is doing all the entry. Only trouble is keeping it up with the ruleset... we have purple pills now! (Noticed at least one interesting feature -- if you try to take 2 red pills when you have none, it *adds* two red pills. Hmm.) -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Dec 19 02:13:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 10:13:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 91976 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 10:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 10:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 10:13:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.48] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 10:13:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:13:45 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Automation Message-ID: <91nccp+tdhb@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1387 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > It's starting to seem a little daft to have the Nurse maintaining one > column of the database and me the others, but that's the way it seems > to be at the moment. Now that Kevan's fixed his HTML I can use his > form and it looks like it could provide an easier way to maintain the > gamedata, even if one person is doing all the entry. I saw it going more along the lines of "Any Player may take a Pill at any time via the Patient Interface." and "If a Player has taken a Purple Pill in the past 24 hours, any Player may cure them of Agoraphobia.", leaving it entirely up to Players to keep things ticking over. > Only trouble is > keeping it up with the ruleset... we have purple pills now! Mm, I've kept that in mind, and adding new Pills won't take much work. I may even allow it to be done through the interface, if we're likely to have more colours cropping up. (I suppose such a thing for Diseases would be useful, regardless.) > (Noticed at least one interesting feature -- if you try to take 2 red > pills when you have none, it *adds* two red pills. Hmm.) Indeed, very little validation in place at the moment; I just rushed out a prototype to see if people thought it was a good idea or not. Shall I tidy up the loose ends and put forward a Proposal to start using it, then? Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "No, no, it are a *reclining* chair." From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Dec 19 05:52:36 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 13:52:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 14737 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 13:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 13:52:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 13:52:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.117] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 13:52:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:52:33 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Agoraphobia Message-ID: <91np71+f5ce@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 504 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Rule 19 (Ottis) > > Each player besides Ottis (and Britta and Mark, of course) has a 19% > chance of contracting agoraphobia. And Britta and Mark both lose 5 Soul Points, of course. Incidentally, do people think we should be viewing Soul points as a measure of karmic benevolence, or of sanity? I can already see its usage becoming a little stretched; it might be worth us agreeing on an interpretation. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Somewhere very far away, I can hear myself scream." From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 06:15:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:15:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 20319 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:15:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 15:17:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.132] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:15:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:15:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Agoraphobia Message-ID: <91nqip+gvom@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91np71+f5ce@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 361 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > Incidentally, do people think we should be viewing Soul points as a > measure of karmic benevolence, or of sanity? I can already see its > usage becoming a little stretched; it might be worth us agreeing on > an interpretation. How about both? If you go crazy god doesn't like you any more.... Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 06:36:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:36:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 62800 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:36:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 14:36:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.207] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:36:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:35:57 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Epidemiologist Report Message-ID: <91nrod+pjgd@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 688 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " Greetings from they Epidemiology Department. We currently have six known diseases. These diseases are documented in the database tab. Current diseases: Addiction (Psychosis) Agoraphobia (Psychosis) Bit of a Cough (Airborne) Claustrophobia (Psychosis) Fear of Rejection (Psychosis) Migraine (Non-Contagious) There are likely to be several cases of Migraines coming into Office Hours. If Players would prefer I will mail out a full list of diseases and their cures, or I can map it all in the database. Also, if players prefer I can keep a separate database of JUST cures. This might be easier to use than the one big database. Please let me know what you prefer. From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Dec 19 06:38:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:38:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 70410 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hm.egroups.com) (10.1.10.45) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 14:38:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.1.35] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:38:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:38:28 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals: Chronicity / Fear / Cough / Bloaty / Death / Shrink Message-ID: <91nrt4+4ab2@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4343 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Nothing Chronic Remove the Chronic-mentioning sentence from the definition of "Fear of Rejection". Remove the "Prescription" and "Chronic" paragraphs from Rule 14 (Cures). { It seems a bit slapdash and generic; I'd rather see certain specific diseases leading to others (and some diseases being trivial or even beneficial) than sweeping Pill-quadrupling and Proposal denial for every single one. } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Fear Itself Add "Whenever a Player with Fear of Rejection submits a Proposal, they lose 5 Soul Points." to the definition of that Disease. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Nasty Cough You've Got There Create a new Disease:- Nasty Cough (Airborne) A Player with this Disease should include the string "*cough*" at least four times in each Proposal message he or she submits, or that Proposal shall be ignored. That Player loses 8 Body Points for each Proposal he or she submits. During Office Hours, any Player with A Bit of a Cough has a 30% chance of that Disease being replaced by Nasty Cough. If a Player would catch Nasty Cough from another Player, they catch A Bit of a Cough instead. Each Green Pill a Player takes has a 30% of curing them of this Disease. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Bloaty Head { Hm, has anyone else played "Theme Hospital"? } To "Diseases", add the paragraph:- Some Diseases are operable by certain staff, for a given cost. A Player may request such an operation from a relevant staff member, if he or she can afford the operation; upon such a request being acknowledged, the Player is cured of the Disease and loses Cash equal to the cost. Create a new Disease:- Bloaty Head (Physical) A Player with Bloaty Head suffers tremendous discomfort, and loses 10 Body Points during Office Hours. Bloaty Head is cured using a special machine, which can only be operated by Doc or the Nurse. This operation costs 100 Cash, and is harrowing enough to reduce the patient's Soul Points by 10. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Death, Insanity, Rebirth Remove the "Death" section from Rule 14. Enact a new Rule, "Death and Insanity":- If a Player has zero Body Points, he or she is considered Dead. If a Player is Dead, they may take no game actions (other than submitting Proposals) for the remainder of the current Round, and their Body Points may not be increased. If a Player has zero Soul Points, he or she is considered Insane. Insane Players may take no game actions, although Doc is free to take game actions on their behalf, in what he feels is in keeping with their insanity. When a new Round begins, any Dead Players are given twenty-five Body Points (this overrides the earlier paragraph) and lose any Diseases they might have had. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - In the Psychiatrist's Chair Enact a new Rule, "Psychiatrist":- The Psychiatrist deals with the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of mental and emotional disorders, and is able, through counselling, to treat the Psychoses of other Players. At any given time, one Player may be a Psychiatrist (their identity is part of the gamestate). Anyone wishing to be treated by the Psychiatrist should make such a request on the mailing list. The Psychiatrist may honour such requests by announcing to the list that, after a tense and emotional counselling session, any or all of the Psychoses suffered by that Player have been lost. The Psychiatrist may not counsel themselves, but, through mutual understanding and personal development, any Psychosis they cure in another Player is automatically cured in themselves, if they have it. If the Psychiatrist's Soul Points drop below thirty, Doc may reassign the role elsewhere. Upon enactment of this Rule, Kevan becomes the Psychiatrist. This paragraph then removes itself from the ruleset. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm listening." From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 06:41:16 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:41:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 66216 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 14:41:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.207] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:41:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:41:07 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Epidemiology Department Update -- Rare bug-eyed beetle found! Message-ID: <91ns23+vp7t@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 746 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " The Epidemiology Department has just been sent an almost extinct bug- eyed beetle from sub-sahara Africa that is rumored to cure almost any illness. If any Player with an illness would like to take part in an exciting study to see if we can cure their illness, please contact Feyd via this mailing list. In your application, please be sure to include: Name: Disease: Symptoms: Why you are more worthy to be accepted than the other applicants: Favorite Color: A test subject will be selected Wednesday afternoon. The Epidemiology Department expects to receive more interesting items that may cure diseases in the coming weeks. We will sent out a call for volunteers whenever such a item is received by the department. Thank you, Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 06:48:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:48:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 72151 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:48:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 14:48:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.126] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:48:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:48:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposals: Chronicity / Fear / Cough / Bloaty / Death / Shrink Message-ID: <91nsgl+r99j@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91nrt4+4ab2@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 745 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Proposal - Nothing Chronic > Proposal - Fear Itself > Proposal - Nasty Cough You've Got There > Proposal - Bloaty Head -- Description of type (Physical) > Create a new Disease:- Bloaty Head This has to be proposed as an amendment to Rule 10. > Proposal - Death, Insanity, Rebirth I don't like this one. I think that in Round 2 should be something like all pills, cash, soul, and body are reset. > Proposal - In the Psychiatrist's Chair Good grief, you'd better hope some of these are accepted, or you're going to get Fear of Rejection. BTW: what happens if you have FoR cronic and a proposal is rejected? Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 06:53:27 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:53:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 17074 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 14:53:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.66] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:53:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:53:17 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Step into the Light Message-ID: <91nsot+jja6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " Create a new rule, "Step Into the Light" At the beginning of round 2, each player will have the following actions taken to their scores: Body set to 100 Soul set to 100 All pill totals set to 0. Add 1 red, 2 yellow, 3 green pills. All Diseases are cured. After these actions are taken then: A random player is given "Bit of Cough" From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Dec 19 06:54:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 14:54:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 89184 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 14:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 14:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ck.egroups.com) (10.1.2.83) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 15:55:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.63] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 14:54:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:54:09 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Epidemiologist Report Message-ID: <91nsqh+1oin@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91nrod+pjgd@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 401 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Greetings from they Epidemiology Department. We currently have six > known diseases. These diseases are documented in the database tab. Um, I might have missed a memo somewhere, but what exact benefit are we supposed to be getting from having Diseases listed in both the Ruleset and a database? K. -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department." From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 07:51:38 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 28553 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 16:52:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.1.35] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 15:51:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:51:22 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Epidemiologist Report Message-ID: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91nsqh+1oin@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 570 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: >> Greetings from they Epidemiology Department. We currently have six >> known diseases. These diseases are documented in the database tab. >Um, I might have missed a memo somewhere, but what exact benefit are >we supposed to be getting from having Diseases listed in both the >Ruleset and a database? None really, except that cures are not necessarily part of rule 10, and this keeps it all together. The database isn't part of the game state, but a weekly report is mandated by the Epidemiology rule. Fyed From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 07:57:32 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 15:57:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 7453 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 15:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 15:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 15:57:29 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219160027.VTLF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:00:27 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219095820.02f06768@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:58:39 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Epidemiologist Report In-Reply-To: <91nrod+pjgd@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I prefer one big database with diseases and cures together. Just my opinion. At 02:35 PM 12/19/2000 +0000, you wrote: >Greetings from they Epidemiology Department. We currently have six >known diseases. These diseases are documented in the database tab. > >Current diseases: > >Addiction (Psychosis) >Agoraphobia (Psychosis) >Bit of a Cough (Airborne) >Claustrophobia (Psychosis) >Fear of Rejection (Psychosis) >Migraine (Non-Contagious) > >There are likely to be several cases of Migraines coming into Office >Hours. > >If Players would prefer I will mail out a full list of diseases and >their cures, or I can map it all in the database. > >Also, if players prefer I can keep a separate database of JUST >cures. This might be easier to use than the one big database. > >Please let me know what you prefer. > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 08:07:25 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 16:07:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 28914 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 16:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 16:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 16:07:25 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219161026.VVFV382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:10:26 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219100456.02ee1488@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:08:37 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Diseases and Cures Amendment In-Reply-To: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> References: <91nsqh+1oin@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose the following amendment to rule #10. Diseases: Remove all listings of diseases and insert in their place the following text: All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at . ========== I propose the following amendment to rule #14. Cures: Remove all listings of cures and insert in their place the following text: All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at . From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Dec 19 08:10:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 16:10:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 90868 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 17:11:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.113] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 16:10:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:10:34 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Epidemiologist Report Message-ID: <91o19q+aupj@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 785 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > >Um, I might have missed a memo somewhere, but what exact benefit are > >we supposed to be getting from having Diseases listed in both the > >Ruleset and a database? > > None really, except that cures are not necessarily part of rule 10, > and this keeps it all together. Hm. I suspect it'd be easier to keep it all together in Rule 10, and remove the need for someone to cut-and-paste it all into a database every so often. Diseases are just as static as any Rule, really, and removing them from the Ruleset just makes for pointless duplication or (if we performed a complete Diseasectomy) Doc having to faff around with the database as well as the Ruleset, when processing Proposals that add a new Disease. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Forever is too long." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 09:24:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 17:24:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 5558 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 17:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 17:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 17:24:42 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219172740.WIHC382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:27:40 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219112341.012afe90@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:25:53 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order: Epidemiologist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Doc, The Office Holders listing in the gamestate should include: Epidemiologist is the person variosly known as Feyd or Nomic1. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 09:46:52 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 17:46:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 94208 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 17:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 17:46:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 18:47:57 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219174954.WMCC382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:49:54 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219111714.02efddb0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:48:07 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Blood Test In-Reply-To: <91o19q+aupj@eGroups.com> References: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose a new rule labeled: Blood Test Any officer or a player, at their discretion, may arrange for a blood test to be performed on that player by sending a message to the mailing list. The message subject must begin with "Blood Test:" followed by the player's name. The blood test shall be to determine if a player has contracted a disease. A player may only have one blood test for every two Office Hours since otherwise, they might become too weak to play from lack of blood. Each blood test removes 3 body points from the player. A player who asks for a blood test shall lose an additional 2 body points. There is a X percent chance that the blood test shall show the infection of a random disease where X is 100 minus the product of the body points divided by two for that player ( X = 100 - (B.P. / 2 ) ). The Epidemiologist may call for a blood test for a particular disease, which increases the likelihood of infection by that disease by 25% (since e knows what e is talking about). From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 09:54:07 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 17:54:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 73139 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 17:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 17:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 17:54:07 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219175708.WNJQ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:57:08 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219115421.01411a10@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:55:20 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test (amended) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I forgot one sentence below stating that the Nurse performs the Blood Test. I propose a new rule labeled: Blood Test Any officer or a player, at their discretion, may arrange for a blood test to be performed on that player by sending a message to the mailing list. The message subject must begin with "Blood Test:" followed by the player's name. The blood test shall be to determine if a player has contracted a disease and is performed by the Nurse. A player may only have one blood test for every two Office Hours since otherwise, they might become too weak to play from lack of blood. Each blood test removes 3 body points from the player. A player who asks for a blood test shall lose an additional 2 body points. There is a X percent chance that the blood test shall show the infection of a random disease where X is 100 minus the product of the body points divided by two for that player ( X = 100 - (B.P. / 2 ) ). The Epidemiologist may call for a blood test for a particular disease, which increases the likelihood of infection by that disease by 25% (since e knows what e is talking about). From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 10:06:27 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 18:06:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 12393 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 18:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 18:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 18:06:25 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219180927.WPLR382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:09:27 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219114810.012e5e78@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:07:40 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Blood Bank Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose a new rule labeled Blood Bank: The Blood Bank stores blood collected from the players to be used for medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and to increase one's health. The Blood Bank is part of the gamestate and shall have it's status stored in a database at . The Blood Bank is maintained by the Nurse. All players are required to donate blood to the blood bank at least once per four Office Hours. Failure to do so shall result in the decrement of ten body points during Office Hours if that player has not donated blood within the last four Office Hours. The players last date of donation shall be part of the gamestate. A new player shall have a blood test immediately upon recognition by the Doc. A player must have had a Blood Test within 7 days prior to donation resulting in no new infection by that player. Only one pint of blood may be donated for each Blood Test. As compensation for donation, a player shall gain 100 cash points, gain 5 Soul points, and lose 3 Body points. If a player needs blood or wishes to buy blood, they may do so by notifying the Nurse concerning how many pints they wish to buy. The purchase shall decrement the player's cash points by 200, and increase their body points by 5. This is in addition to any other costs that may be required for medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and must be arranged before any medical procedure requiring blood takes place. =========== I encourage the Surgery proposal to include the requirement for X pints of blood for a particular procedure. =========== Also, no one panic concerning the blood bank... if accepted, the Nurse shall call all players to have a blood test thereby not costing the player more points. From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Tue Dec 19 10:34:09 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 18:34:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 30867 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 18:34:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 18:34:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.106) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 18:34:08 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjugw28596 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:34:07 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposals: Chronicity / Fear / Cough / Bloaty / Death / Shrink To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:34:04 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/19/2000 12:39:55 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM That situation can't happen. If you have a chronic disease, all of your proposals are ignored with the current ruleset. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Feyd wrote: BTW: what happens if you have FoR cronic and a proposal is rejected? From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Tue Dec 19 10:39:46 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 18:39:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 47184 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 18:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 18:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.98) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 18:39:45 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by chi6sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjugw00352 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:39:35 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Epidemiologist Report To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:39:32 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/19/2000 12:45:23 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Does the Epidemiologist even track the cures? Rule 18 only mentions diseases... - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Feyd wrote: None really, except that cures are not necessarily part of rule 10, and this keeps it all together. The database isn't part of the game state, but a weekly report is mandated by the Epidemiology rule. From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Tue Dec 19 10:44:07 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 18:44:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 36663 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 18:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 18:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.98) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 19:45:12 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by chi6sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjugw06797 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:44:06 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Diseases and Cures Amendment To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:44:02 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/19/2000 12:49:54 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM The more I think about it, the more I feel that diseases and cures should remain part of the ruleset, and should not be a database. Being part of the ruleset makes it much more flexible. Making it part of the database removes all that flexibility. It also places power into the hands of the Epidemiologist who maintains the database. If they insert a disease into the database incorrectly, does it take effect that way? There would be no rules to correct the disease definitions. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Ottis Airhart wrote: I propose the following amendment to rule #10. Diseases: Remove all listings of diseases and insert in their place the following text: All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at . ========== I propose the following amendment to rule #14. Cures: Remove all listings of cures and insert in their place the following text: All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at . From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 11:24:40 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 19:24:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 56128 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 19:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 19:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 19:24:38 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219192740.XDXV382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:27:40 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219132515.02ed8f00@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:25:53 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Epidemiologist Report In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart The E. doesn't have to, but they can be kept in the db anyways. The Nurse doesn't track the diseases per player, but they are in that db the Nurse uses for pill counts. At 10:39 AM 12/19/2000 -0800, you wrote: > > Does the Epidemiologist even track the cures? Rule 18 only mentions >diseases... > >- - - >Jeffrey J. Weston >jjweston@thoughtworks.com >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc >- - - > >Feyd wrote: > >None really, except that cures are not necessarily part of rule 10, >and this keeps it all together. The database isn't part of the game >state, but a weekly report is mandated by the Epidemiology rule. > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 11:26:03 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 19:26:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 76578 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 19:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 19:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 20:27:08 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219192905.XEDO382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:29:05 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219132629.014403d0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:27:17 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Diseases and Cures Amendment In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Why not make the diseases and cures database "part of the ruleset" subject to all priveleges (sp?), changes, and etc... therin. At 10:44 AM 12/19/2000 -0800, you wrote: > > The more I think about it, the more I feel that diseases and cures >should remain part of the ruleset, and should not be a database. Being part >of the ruleset makes it much more flexible. Making it part of the database >removes all that flexibility. It also places power into the hands of the >Epidemiologist who maintains the database. If they insert a disease into >the database incorrectly, does it take effect that way? There would be no >rules to correct the disease definitions. > >- - - >Jeffrey J. Weston >jjweston@thoughtworks.com >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc >- - - > >Ottis Airhart wrote: > >I propose the following amendment to rule #10. Diseases: > >Remove all listings of diseases and insert in their place the following >text: > >All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at >. > >========== > >I propose the following amendment to rule #14. Cures: > >Remove all listings of cures and insert in their place the following text: > >All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at >. > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 12:04:15 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 20:04:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 6285 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 20:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 20:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 21:04:49 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083BA1B@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:03:43 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA06972; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:03:43 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Agoraphobia References: <91np71+f5ce@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 15:03:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:52:33 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > And Britta and Mark both lose 5 Soul Points, of course. Oops. Thanks. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 12:10:46 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 20:10:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 5869 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 20:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 20:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 20:10:45 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083BC39@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:10:45 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA08842; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:10:44 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order: Epidemiologist References: <4.1.20001219112341.012afe90@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 15:10:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:25:53 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > The Office Holders listing in the gamestate should include: > > Epidemiologist is the person variosly known as Feyd or Nomic1. Right, thanks. -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Dec 19 12:13:36 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 20:13:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 28349 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 20:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 20:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 20:13:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.113] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 20:13:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:13:28 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Diseases and Cures Amendment Message-ID: <91ofh8+lsva@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001219132629.014403d0@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1705 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.49.238.165 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > The more I think about it, the more I feel that diseases and cures > >should remain part of the ruleset, and should not be a database. Being part > >of the ruleset makes it much more flexible. Making it part of the database > >removes all that flexibility. It also places power into the hands of the > >Epidemiologist who maintains the database. If they insert a disease into > >the database incorrectly, does it take effect that way? There would be no > >rules to correct the disease definitions. > > Why not make the diseases and cures database "part of the ruleset" subject > to all priveleges (sp?), changes, and etc... therin. I'm afraid I just don't see any benefit from it, and plenty of rather hefty drawbacks - aside from it seeming awkward for Doc to have to wander off and update an eGroups database if a bunch of passed Proposals include a tweak to a Disease, splitting the Ruleset over two separate sites just seems to add an element of uncertainty and disarray. I don't really want to have to browse to another site to read something that could *easily* go in the Ruleset, particularly if I'm on a slow connection. I don't want to have two windows open if I'm skimming through the Ruleset checking things. I'd prefer it if I could just text-search "purple pill" in one browser window, to find out about Purple Pills' influence on the game. If Diseases somehow changed dynamically, it might make sense to have them stored somewhere where all of the relevant people could get at them, but since they're really no more than standard-issue Rule paragraphs, this seems rather pointless. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm just a nasty narrow-minded jade." From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 12:24:22 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 20:24:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 69390 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 20:24:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 20:24:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 21:25:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.95] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 20:24:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:24:15 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Diseases and Cures Amendment Message-ID: <91og5f+5cfp@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91ofh8+lsva@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 679 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > > > The more I think about it, the more I feel that diseases and > cures > > >should remain part of the ruleset, and should not be a database. I don't have an opinion here. I will maintain the Database as an "unofficial" list -- for me it is much easier. However, I can see both pros and cons of making it officially part of the ruleset -- for one thing, only Doc should update the ruleset. Would it be better if we called it a "non-official mirror"? That way new diseases are added by amending rule 10, and I update my list(s). I need to put cures in there too -- or maybe make that a separate list. Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 12:32:23 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 20:32:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 6477 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 20:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 20:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 21:33:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.95] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 20:32:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:32:12 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: DOC: I Invoke Rule 18, Paragraph 4 Message-ID: <91ogkc+206s@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001219132515.02ed8f00@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1042 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " Ottis Airhart clearly misspells Epidemiologist below as "E.". I therefore invoke Rule 18 Paragraph 4 and infect Ottis Airhart with Agoraphobia! This cost me 5 soul points. Please spell my position correctly in the future. Congratulations to Mr. Weston below for his exemplary spelling skills. Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > The E. doesn't have to, but they can be kept in the db anyways. The Nurse > doesn't track the diseases per player, but they are in that db the Nurse > uses for pill counts. > At 10:39 AM 12/19/2000 -0800, you wrote: > > > > Does the Epidemiologist even track the cures? Rule 18 only mentions > >diseases... > > > >- - - > >Jeffrey J. Weston > >jjweston@t... > >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc > >- - - > > > >Feyd wrote: > > > >None really, except that cures are not necessarily part of rule 10, > >and this keeps it all together. The database isn't part of the game > >state, but a weekly report is mandated by the Epidemiology rule. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 12:55:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 20:55:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 62161 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 20:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 20:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 20:55:27 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083C0CD@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:55:27 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA17490; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:55:26 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] DOC: I Invoke Rule 18, Paragraph 4 References: <91ogkc+206s@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 15:55:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:32:12 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Ottis Airhart clearly misspells Epidemiologist below as "E.". I > therefore invoke Rule 18 Paragraph 4 and infect Ottis Airhart with > Agoraphobia! This cost me 5 soul points. Doc rules that an abbreviation is not a misspelling. Your soul is intact, as is Ottis's sanity. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 13:09:47 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 21:09:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 81986 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 21:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 21:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 21:09:46 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001219204350.XQUP382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:43:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219143846.02e8fed8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:41:57 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] DOC: I Invoke Rule 18, Paragraph 4 In-Reply-To: <91ogkc+206s@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20001219132515.02ed8f00@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart AH, you are a NASTY MAN. I was not mis-spelling it, I was abbreviating it to avoid mis-spelling it. How can you mis-spell something you haven't even spelled. I will from now on refer to your position as the NASTY MAN. At 08:32 PM 12/19/2000 +0000, you wrote: >Ottis Airhart clearly misspells Epidemiologist below as "E.". I >therefore invoke Rule 18 Paragraph 4 and infect Ottis Airhart with >Agoraphobia! This cost me 5 soul points. > >Please spell my position correctly in the future. Congratulations to >Mr. Weston below for his exemplary spelling skills. > >Feyd > >--- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: >> The E. doesn't have to, but they can be kept in the db anyways. The >Nurse >> doesn't track the diseases per player, but they are in that db the >Nurse >> uses for pill counts. >> At 10:39 AM 12/19/2000 -0800, you wrote: >> > >> > Does the Epidemiologist even track the cures? Rule 18 only >mentions >> >diseases... >> > >> >- - - >> >Jeffrey J. Weston >> >jjweston@t... >> >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc >> >- - - >> > >> >Feyd wrote: >> > >> >None really, except that cures are not necessarily part of rule 10, >> >and this keeps it all together. The database isn't part of the >game >> >state, but a weekly report is mandated by the Epidemiology rule. > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 13:11:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 21:11:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 20392 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 21:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 21:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 22:12:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.110] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 21:11:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:11:10 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: POINT OF ORDER: Rule 18, Paragraph 4 Message-ID: <91oite+8l7p@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 882 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " Doc, Your decision below is incorrect. I invoke point of order. Reasoning: If abbreviations are allowed, paragraph 4 has no meaning. "E." is not an accepted abbreviation for "Epidemiologist" in any medical text. The *clear* intent of the rule is to prevent such callous twisting of the bitter Epidemiologist's name. If you overrule this Point, then ANY charge of misspelling can be answered with, "Oh, I didn't misspell Epidemiologist, that's just an abbreviation." Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Feyd " writes: > > > Ottis Airhart clearly misspells Epidemiologist below as "E.". I > > therefore invoke Rule 18 Paragraph 4 and infect Ottis Airhart with > > Agoraphobia! This cost me 5 soul points. > > Doc rules that an abbreviation is not a misspelling. Your soul is > intact, as is Ottis's sanity. > > -- > - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 13:14:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 21:14:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 28876 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 21:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 21:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 22:15:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.110] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 21:14:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:13:54 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: DOC: I Invoke Rule 18, Paragraph 4 Message-ID: <91oj2i+8k95@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001219143846.02e8fed8@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 448 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: >AH, you are a NASTY MAN. I was not mis-spelling it, I was abbreviating it >to avoid mis-spelling it. How can you mis-spell something you haven't even >spelled. I will from now on refer to your position as the NASTY MAN. Am NOT! I've already offered to help heal someone. And, um, and.... Hell, you are right. ROTFL. Less than 20 rules and I'm already a bad person! Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 13:30:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 21:30:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 69218 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 21:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 21:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 21:30:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.4.73] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Dec 2000 21:30:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:30:36 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Question about the Psychiatrist proposal -- suggested limits Message-ID: <91ok1s+qikh@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1475 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " As proposed, the psychiatrist decide at random who he chooses to heal or not heal. Can he heal those who do not wish to be healed (perhaps in order to remove one of his own phychosis)? Can he charge pills or fees for his services? Can he heal several people in one week? If so, then that seems a bit overbalancing....the phychiatrist can remove all Phychosis from all players except himself, and as long as another player has that disease, the phychiatrist can heal himself too. This basically allows one player to completely remove an entire class of disease from the gamestate. I would like to see stronger limits on this proposal. I would support two different approaches: ONE WAY: Limited number of times per week the Phychiatrist can do his stuff. There is a random change of success (say 50%). There is a random change of self-healing in the phychiatrist (say 25%). Since he is doing a good deed he also gets 2 soul points just for the attempt. The player being treated must pay the bank 100 cash for the visit. ANOTHER TACK: Being around a sick person like that means the phyciatrist has a 50% chance of CONTRACTING the disease he is healing. This would make it more likely that fees will be charged, but then the psyche is taking a risk, so that's ok. If he has any cronic diseases the Doc must immediately name another player Phychiatrist. This player may not have any cronic diseases. Should this have been raised as a point of order? Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 14:01:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 22:01:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 71378 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 22:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 22:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 23:02:25 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083C6C2@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:01:19 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA28251; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:01:18 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Question about the Psychiatrist proposal -- suggested limits References: <91ok1s+qikh@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 17:01:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:30:36 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Should this have been raised as a point of order? Nope, it's just comments. And valid ones, I might add. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 14:32:44 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 19 Dec 2000 22:32:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 56704 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2000 22:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2000 22:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2000 22:32:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083C96D@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:32:35 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA02625; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:32:27 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] POINT OF ORDER: Rule 18, Paragraph 4 References: <91oite+8l7p@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 17:32:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:11:10 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Doc, > Your decision below is incorrect. I invoke point of order. > > Reasoning: > If abbreviations are allowed, paragraph 4 has no meaning. "E." is > not an accepted abbreviation for "Epidemiologist" in any medical > text. The *clear* intent of the rule is to prevent such callous > twisting of the bitter Epidemiologist's name. > > If you overrule this Point, then ANY charge of misspelling can be > answered with, "Oh, I didn't misspell Epidemiologist, that's just an > abbreviation." > > Feyd Ottis, or anyone else: care to comment on this before I pass judgement? -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 16:27:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 00:27:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 70799 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 00:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 00:27:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 00:27:31 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001220003022.ZFYG382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:30:22 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219181318.01410158@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:28:35 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] POINT OF ORDER: Rule 18, Paragraph 4 In-Reply-To: References: <"Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:11:10 -0000"> <91oite+8l7p@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I would submit the following examples of where 'E' has been used to refer specifically to Epidemiology. EDEN - European Dermato-Epidemiology Network ENARE - European Network for Antibiotic Resistance and Epidemiology EPO - Epidemiology Program Office These are all official abbreviations as found at: http://www.geocities.com/~mlshams/acronym/acrE.htm I quote from http://www.dictionary.com that an abbreviation is: "A shortened form of a word or phrase used chiefly in writing to represent the complete form, such as Mass. for Massachusetts or USMC for United States Marine Corps." Also, the definition of "spell" according to the same source is: "To name or write in order the letters constituting (a word or part of a word)." Note that is says PART of a word. So I have correctly spelled Epidemiologist by simply spelling it with an 'E'. At 05:32 PM 12/19/2000 -0500, you wrote: >"Feyd " writes: > >> Doc, >> Your decision below is incorrect. I invoke point of order. >> >> Reasoning: >> If abbreviations are allowed, paragraph 4 has no meaning. "E." is >> not an accepted abbreviation for "Epidemiologist" in any medical >> text. The *clear* intent of the rule is to prevent such callous >> twisting of the bitter Epidemiologist's name. >> >> If you overrule this Point, then ANY charge of misspelling can be >> answered with, "Oh, I didn't misspell Epidemiologist, that's just an >> abbreviation." >> >> Feyd > >Ottis, or anyone else: care to comment on this before I pass >judgement? > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 16:55:41 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 00:55:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 64708 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 00:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 00:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 00:55:40 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083D157@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:55:40 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA17041; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:55:39 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] POINT OF ORDER: Rule 18, Paragraph 4 References: <"Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:11:10 -0000"> <91oite+8l7p@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219181318.01410158@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 19:55:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:28:35 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 70 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Your decision below is incorrect. I invoke point of order. > > Reasoning: > If abbreviations are allowed, paragraph 4 has no meaning. "E." is > not an accepted abbreviation for "Epidemiologist" in any medical > text. Irrelevant. I never said it was accepted in medical texts. I merely said it was an abbreviation and not a misspelling. > The *clear* intent of the rule is to prevent such callous > twisting of the bitter Epidemiologist's name. Intent also is irrelevant. The rule deals with misspellings, not with abbreviations. > If you overrule this Point, then ANY charge of misspelling can be > answered with, "Oh, I didn't misspell Epidemiologist, that's just an > abbreviation." Exaggeration. No one is going to persuade me that "Epadimmeealogous" is an abbreviation for Epidemiologist. Ottis Airhart writes: > I would submit the following examples of where 'E' has been used to refer > specifically to Epidemiology. > > EDEN - European Dermato-Epidemiology Network > ENARE - European Network for Antibiotic Resistance and Epidemiology > EPO - Epidemiology Program Office > > These are all official abbreviations as found at: > http://www.geocities.com/~mlshams/acronym/acrE.htm Ha! Good job of research, though not particularly relevant either. Those are acronyms and cannot be arbitrarily cut up into their constituent letters. > I quote from http://www.dictionary.com that an abbreviation is: > "A shortened form of a word or phrase used chiefly in writing to represent > the complete form, such as Mass. for Massachusetts or USMC for United > States Marine Corps." OK. > Also, the definition of "spell" according to the same source is: > "To name or write in order the letters constituting (a word or part of a > word)." > > Note that is says PART of a word. So I have correctly spelled > Epidemiologist by simply spelling it with an 'E'. Oh dear. Surely you must understand that when you "write in order the letters constituting part of a word", you have spelled, but you've spelled part of a word, not a whole word. If you could spell "Epidemiologist" as "E", spelling bees would be a whole lot less traumatic than they are. Doc's judgement: The speciousness of that last point doesn't alter the fact that "E." as used here was a legitimate and understandable abbreviation for Epidemiologist, not a misspelling thereof. Rule 18, Paragraph 4 does not deal with abbreviations (or with circumlocutions such as "NASTY MAN".) The attempt to inflict Agoraphobia on Ottis is invalid. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 17:16:20 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 01:16:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12085 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 01:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 01:16:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 01:16:19 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001220011921.ZPMU382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:19:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219191721.03063c98@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:17:30 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] POINT OF ORDER: Rule 18, Paragraph 4 In-Reply-To: References: <"Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:11:10 -0000"> <91oite+8l7p@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219181318.01410158@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Thank you, Doc. At 07:55 PM 12/19/2000 -0500, you wrote: >"Feyd " writes: > >> Your decision below is incorrect. I invoke point of order. >> >> Reasoning: >> If abbreviations are allowed, paragraph 4 has no meaning. "E." is >> not an accepted abbreviation for "Epidemiologist" in any medical >> text. > >Irrelevant. I never said it was accepted in medical texts. I merely >said it was an abbreviation and not a misspelling. > >> The *clear* intent of the rule is to prevent such callous >> twisting of the bitter Epidemiologist's name. > >Intent also is irrelevant. The rule deals with misspellings, not with >abbreviations. > >> If you overrule this Point, then ANY charge of misspelling can be >> answered with, "Oh, I didn't misspell Epidemiologist, that's just an >> abbreviation." > >Exaggeration. No one is going to persuade me that "Epadimmeealogous" >is an abbreviation for Epidemiologist. > >Ottis Airhart writes: > >> I would submit the following examples of where 'E' has been used to refer >> specifically to Epidemiology. >> >> EDEN - European Dermato-Epidemiology Network >> ENARE - European Network for Antibiotic Resistance and Epidemiology >> EPO - Epidemiology Program Office >> >> These are all official abbreviations as found at: >> http://www.geocities.com/~mlshams/acronym/acrE.htm > >Ha! Good job of research, though not particularly relevant either. >Those are acronyms and cannot be arbitrarily cut up into their >constituent letters. > >> I quote from http://www.dictionary.com that an abbreviation is: >> "A shortened form of a word or phrase used chiefly in writing to represent >> the complete form, such as Mass. for Massachusetts or USMC for United >> States Marine Corps." > >OK. > >> Also, the definition of "spell" according to the same source is: >> "To name or write in order the letters constituting (a word or part of a >> word)." >> >> Note that is says PART of a word. So I have correctly spelled >> Epidemiologist by simply spelling it with an 'E'. > >Oh dear. Surely you must understand that when you "write in order the >letters constituting part of a word", you have spelled, but you've >spelled part of a word, not a whole word. If you could spell >"Epidemiologist" as "E", spelling bees would be a whole lot less >traumatic than they are. > >Doc's judgement: The speciousness of that last point doesn't alter the >fact that "E." as used here was a legitimate and understandable >abbreviation for Epidemiologist, not a misspelling thereof. Rule 18, >Paragraph 4 does not deal with abbreviations (or with circumlocutions >such as "NASTY MAN".) The attempt to inflict Agoraphobia on Ottis is >invalid. > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 17:19:46 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 01:19:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 15641 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 01:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 01:19:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 01:19:46 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001220012247.ZQFG382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:22:47 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219191814.013c7ca0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:20:59 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd is NOT a nasty man In-Reply-To: <91oj2i+8k95@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20001219143846.02e8fed8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart In light of recent discussions and rulings by the Doc, our wonderful Epidemiologist, a.k.a. Feyd, is not a Nasty Man as before thought. E (heh heh, him or her) is truly a saint in eir field (and very bitter as the rule indicates). E (heh) is merely misunderstood as all truly great scientists are. At 09:13 PM 12/19/2000 +0000, you wrote: >--- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: >>AH, you are a NASTY MAN. I was not mis-spelling it, I was >abbreviating it >>to avoid mis-spelling it. How can you mis-spell something you >haven't even >>spelled. I will from now on refer to your position as the NASTY MAN. > > >Am NOT! I've already offered to help heal someone. And, um, and.... >Hell, you are right. > > >ROTFL. Less than 20 rules and I'm already a bad person! >Feyd > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Dec 19 18:45:08 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 02:45:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 77506 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 02:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 02:45:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 03:46:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.95] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 02:45:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:44:46 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Thanks Otis. I appreciate that. Thanks for the clarification doc. Message-ID: <91p6eu+m0tu@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001219191814.013c7ca0@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 172 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: "Feyd " I love this game!! And this particular rulest ;-) In recompence for Doctorial analysis I hereby gift Otis with 50 cash. As E. I of course am still bitter. :-). Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 19:08:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 03:08:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 33496 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 03:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 03:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 03:08:12 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083D73F@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:08:11 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA29689; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:08:10 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Thanks Otis. I appreciate that. Thanks for the clarification doc. References: <91p6eu+m0tu@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 22:08:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 02:44:46 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > I love this game!! And this particular rulest ;-) > In recompence for Doctorial analysis I hereby gift Otis with 50 > cash. Hmm, is that legal? The rules don't provide for cash gifts between players. On the other hand they don't prohibit it. On the other other hand they don't prohibit counterfeiting 100,000 cash either. Still, why not? OK. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 19 19:11:08 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 03:11:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 73144 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 03:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 03:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 03:11:07 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0083D74A@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:11:07 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA00133; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:11:06 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Question about the Psychiatrist proposal -- suggested limits References: <91ok1s+qikh@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Dec 2000 22:11:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu's message of "19 Dec 2000 17:01:18 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Guess I should wait and see if Ottis accepts the gift before recording it, though. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Dec 19 19:14:45 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 03:14:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 50905 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 03:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 03:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 03:14:43 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001220031744.LEB382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:17:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001219211547.02f109f0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:15:55 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Question about the Psychiatrist proposal -- suggested limits In-Reply-To: References: <91ok1s+qikh@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I accept, thank you. At 10:11 PM 12/19/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Guess I should wait and see if Ottis accepts the gift before recording >it, though. > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 20 02:11:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 10:11:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 49853 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 10:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 10:11:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 11:13:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.105] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 10:11:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:11:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Thanks Otis. I appreciate that. Thanks for the clarification doc. Message-ID: <91q0l9+8a0k@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 694 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > I love this game!! And this particular rulest ;-) > > In recompence for Doctorial analysis I hereby gift Otis with 50 > > cash. > > Hmm, is that legal? The rules don't provide for cash gifts between > players. On the other hand they don't prohibit it. On the other > other hand they don't prohibit counterfeiting 100,000 cash either. > Still, why not? OK. I don't think it's allowed, actually. Rule 1 says that "The Ruleset and Gamestate may not be altered except as specified in the Rules.", and Player's Cash Points are clearly defined as being part of the gamestate. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "In the days when you were hopelessly poor, I just liked you more." From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 20 02:27:18 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 10:27:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 77807 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 10:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 10:27:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk.egroups.com) (10.1.1.30) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 10:27:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.1.38] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 10:27:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:26:57 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: POINT OF ORDER: Rule 18, Paragraph 4 Message-ID: <91q1hh+10rqh@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 655 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Ottis, or anyone else: care to comment on this before I pass > judgement? The abbreviation seems perfectly reasonable in context - Jeffrey mentions the "Epidemiologist", Ottis refers to the "E." in his immediate response. It doesn't matter whether "E." is an acceptable medical abbreviation or not; it doesn't even matter whether "E." makes any sense or not. It's no more a mis-spelling than saying "him" or "that person" or "NASTY MAN". You can't mis-spell something you weren't trying to spell. I applaud the attempt, all the same. K. -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I am playing the right notes - but not necessarily in the right order." From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 20 02:44:58 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 10:44:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 90348 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 10:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 10:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 10:44:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.124] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 10:44:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:44:49 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Question about the Psychiatrist proposal -- suggested limits Message-ID: <91q2j1+cbqt@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91ok1s+qikh@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3210 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Can he heal those who do not wish to be healed (perhaps > in order to remove one of his own phychosis)? No, he can only honour requests for healing. If nobody asks, he can't do anything. > Can he charge pills or fees for his services? He could if there were any way for Players to exchange pills and cash, I suppose (in the same way the Epidemiologist could request payment for cures, or threaten to infect people who don't pay him protection money). Might be interesting for something like that to be unregulated. > Can he heal several people in one week? Nothing to say he can't, so - yes. > If so, then that seems a bit overbalancing....the phychiatrist can > remove all Phychosis from all players except himself, and as long as > another player has that disease, the phychiatrist can heal himself > too. It relies on Players asking the Psychiatrist to cure them, though. If people don't want the Psychiatrist to be able to cure his own Claustrophobia, then Players with that Disease shouldn't consult with him. And I don't see anything *that* powerful in being able to cure people who want to be cured. > This basically allows one player to completely remove an entire > class of disease from the gamestate. Provided that all of its sufferers asked to be cured. And provided it's a Psychosis (most of which creep back quite easily anyway). Why is this a "powerful" thing? > I would like to see stronger limits on this proposal. I would > support two different approaches: > ONE WAY: > Limited number of times per week the Phychiatrist can do his stuff. I can't see his ability being used *that* much, really, with any cure relying on both a Player asking for it and the Psychiatrist granting it. > There is a random change of success (say 50%). > There is a random change of self-healing in the phychiatrist (say > 25%). Maybe, although I don't really like the idea of individual Players making random decisions, since it's hard to regulate the results. (We could use an automated dice-rolling email thing, but I'd rather it didn't come to that.) > Since he is doing a good deed he also gets 2 soul points just for the > attempt. Hm, maybe a good incentive to use his powers. > The player being treated must pay the bank 100 cash for the visit. Perhaps. Feel free to propose it. (Assuming Psychiatry passes at all.) > ANOTHER TACK: > Being around a sick person like that means the phyciatrist has a 50% > chance of CONTRACTING the disease he is healing. This would make it > more likely that fees will be charged, but then the psyche is taking > a risk, so that's ok. Mm, on a personal note I'd rather have simple game elements that could interact in interesting ways, rather than large and complicated ones. A generic "anyone treating a patient has a 10% chance of contracting a contagious disease from them" rule might be interesting, but bolting stuff directly onto individual offices seems a bit unwieldy. Incidentally, it's a good job there's no punishment for spelling "Psychiatrist" wrongly, isn't it? Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Mind you, that's just a pat diagnosis made without first obtaining your full medical history." From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Dec 20 06:27:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 14:27:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 30823 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 14:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 14:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 14:27:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.25] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 14:27:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:27:51 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Question about the Psychiatrist proposal -- suggested limits Message-ID: <91qfl7+ekk2@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91q2j1+cbqt@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 717 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > He could if there were any way for Players to exchange pills and > cash, I suppose (in the same way the Epidemiologist could request > payment for cures, or threaten to infect people who don't pay him > protection money). Might be interesting for something like that to be > unregulated. I agree with this. I think mandating payment to another player is unnecessary. Market forces should work just fine in this context to regulate prices (or protection money, for that matter). > Incidentally, it's a good job there's no punishment for spelling > "Psychiatrist" wrongly, isn't it? I'm glad you caught that. Was wondering if anyone would ROTFL. Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:11:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:11:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 82992 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:11:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:11:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 20:11:18 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840CDF@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:11:18 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA29124; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:11:17 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Thanks Otis. I appreciate that. Thanks for the clarification doc. References: <91q0l9+8a0k@eGroups.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:11:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:11:53 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > I don't think it's allowed, actually. Rule 1 says that "The Ruleset > and Gamestate may not be altered except as specified in the Rules.", > and Player's Cash Points are clearly defined as being part of the > gamestate. Aha... good point. Sorry, Ottis. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:48:33 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:48:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 55293 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 21:49:38 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840ECE@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:48:33 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA04333; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:48:31 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals: Chronicity / Fear / Cough / Bloaty / Death / Shrink References: <91nrt4+4ab2@eGroups.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:48:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:38:28 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 132 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Proposal - Nothing Chronic > > Remove the Chronic-mentioning sentence from the definition of "Fear > of Rejection". > > Remove the "Prescription" and "Chronic" paragraphs from Rule 14 > (Cures). > > { It seems a bit slapdash and generic; I'd rather see certain > specific diseases leading to others (and some diseases being > trivial or even beneficial) than sweeping Pill-quadrupling and > Proposal denial for every single one. } ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. > Proposal - Fear Itself > > Add "Whenever a Player with Fear of Rejection submits a Proposal, > they lose 5 Soul Points." to the definition of that Disease. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. > Proposal - Nasty Cough You've Got There > > Create a new Disease:- > > Nasty Cough (Airborne) > A Player with this Disease should include the string "*cough*" at > least four times in each Proposal message he or she submits, or > that Proposal shall be ignored. That Player loses 8 Body Points > for each Proposal he or she submits. > > During Office Hours, any Player with A Bit of a Cough has a 30% > chance of that Disease being replaced by Nasty Cough. If a Player > would catch Nasty Cough from another Player, they catch A Bit of > a Cough instead. > > Each Green Pill a Player takes has a 30% of curing them of this > Disease. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. > Proposal - Bloaty Head > > { Hm, has anyone else played "Theme Hospital"? } > > To "Diseases", add the paragraph:- > > Some Diseases are operable by certain staff, for a given cost. > A Player may request such an operation from a relevant staff > member, if he or she can afford the operation; upon such a > request being acknowledged, the Player is cured of the Disease > and loses Cash equal to the cost. > > Create a new Disease:- > > Bloaty Head (Physical) > A Player with Bloaty Head suffers tremendous discomfort, and > loses 10 Body Points during Office Hours. Bloaty Head is cured > using a special machine, which can only be operated by Doc or > the Nurse. This operation costs 100 Cash, and is harrowing > enough to reduce the patient's Soul Points by 10. REJECTED. I'd like not to add diseases that can't be caught (yet). Kevan has Fear of Rejection. > Proposal - Death, Insanity, Rebirth > > Remove the "Death" section from Rule 14. Enact a new Rule, "Death > and Insanity":- > > If a Player has zero Body Points, he or she is considered Dead. If > a Player is Dead, they may take no game actions (other than > submitting Proposals) for the remainder of the current Round, and > their Body Points may not be increased. > > If a Player has zero Soul Points, he or she is considered Insane. > Insane Players may take no game actions, although Doc is free to > take game actions on their behalf, in what he feels is in keeping > with their insanity. > > When a new Round begins, any Dead Players are given twenty-five > Body Points (this overrides the earlier paragraph) and lose any > Diseases they might have had. REJECTED. I don't see why a dead player should be able to submit proposals, and I don't see why dead players should benefit at the end of round in ways insane and other players do not. > Proposal - In the Psychiatrist's Chair > > Enact a new Rule, "Psychiatrist":- > > The Psychiatrist deals with the diagnosis, treatment, and > prevention of mental and emotional disorders, and is able, > through counselling, to treat the Psychoses of other Players. > > At any given time, one Player may be a Psychiatrist (their > identity is part of the gamestate). Anyone wishing to be > treated by the Psychiatrist should make such a request on the > mailing list. The Psychiatrist may honour such requests by > announcing to the list that, after a tense and emotional > counselling session, any or all of the Psychoses suffered by > that Player have been lost. > > The Psychiatrist may not counsel themselves, but, through mutual > understanding and personal development, any Psychosis they cure > in another Player is automatically cured in themselves, if they > have it. > > If the Psychiatrist's Soul Points drop below thirty, Doc may > reassign the role elsewhere. > > Upon enactment of this Rule, Kevan becomes the Psychiatrist. > This paragraph then removes itself from the ruleset. ACCEPTED. This creates Rule 20. Agoraphobia check: 5 players eligible, 20% chance: 5 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.165008544921875 0.421661376953125 0.168365478515625 0.646270751953125 0.658905029296875 Feyd and Jim have Agoraphobia. Britta and Mark lose 5 soul points. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:50:37 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:50:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 20744 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 20:50:34 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840EE8@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:50:35 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA04755; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:50:33 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals: Chronicity / Fear / Cough / Bloaty / Death / Shrink References: <91nrt4+4ab2@eGroups.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:50:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:38:28 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Oh, and Kevan's Fear of Rejection is cured. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:52:15 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:52:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 32691 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 20:52:15 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840EFE@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:52:15 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA05170; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:52:13 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Step into the Light References: <91nsot+jja6@eGroups.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:52:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:53:17 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Create a new rule, "Step Into the Light" > > At the beginning of round 2, each player will have the following > actions taken to their scores: > > Body set to 100 > Soul set to 100 > All pill totals set to 0. > Add 1 red, 2 yellow, 3 green pills. > All Diseases are cured. > > After these actions are taken then: > > A random player is given "Bit of Cough" REJECTED. Given that there's no way to win Round 1 yet, it's WAY too early to be setting up Round 2. 5 soul points lost. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:53:18 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:53:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 83833 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 21:54:23 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840F0A@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:53:18 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA05211; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:53:16 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Diseases and Cures Amendment References: <91nsqh+1oin@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219100456.02ee1488@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:53:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:08:37 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose the following amendment to rule #10. Diseases: > > Remove all listings of diseases and insert in their place the following text: > > All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at > . > > ========== > > I propose the following amendment to rule #14. Cures: > > Remove all listings of cures and insert in their place the following text: > > All diseases and their cures are listed in one or more eGroups databases at > . REJECTED. Doc feels the proper place for diseases is in the ruleset. Ottis has Fear of Rejection. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:58:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:58:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 26472 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 20:58:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840F5A@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:58:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA05954; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:58:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test References: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219111714.02efddb0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:58:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:48:07 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose a new rule labeled: Blood Test > > Any officer or a player, at their discretion, may arrange for a blood test > to be performed on that player by sending a message to the mailing list. > The message subject must begin with "Blood Test:" followed by the player's > name. The blood test shall be to determine if a player has contracted a > disease. > > A player may only have one blood test for every two Office Hours since > otherwise, they might become too weak to play from lack of blood. Each > blood test removes 3 body points from the player. A player who asks for a > blood test shall lose an additional 2 body points. > > There is a X percent chance that the blood test shall show the infection of > a random disease where X is 100 minus the product of the body points > divided by two for that player ( X = 100 - (B.P. / 2 ) ). The > Epidemiologist may call for a blood test for a particular disease, which > increases the likelihood of infection by that disease by 25% (since e knows > what e is talking about). REJECTED. C'mon... a blood test showing infection of Agoraphobia? Why would a player call for a blood test on emself? Suppose a blood test says the player does NOT have "Bit of a Cough". Suppose the player *had* Bit of a Cough when the test was requested. Does that mean e's cured? -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 12:59:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 20:59:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 85606 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 20:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 20:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 20:59:05 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840F62@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:05 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA06031; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:04 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test References: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219111714.02efddb0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 15:59:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:48:07 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Oh yes. 5 soul point deduction. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 13:00:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 21:00:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 89328 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 21:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 21:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 21:00:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840F74@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:00:12 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA06223; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:00:10 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test (amended) References: <4.1.20001219115421.01411a10@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 16:00:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:55:20 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I forgot one sentence below stating that the Nurse performs the Blood Test. > > I propose a new rule labeled: Blood Test > > Any officer or a player, at their discretion, may arrange for a blood test > to be performed on that player by sending a message to the mailing list. > The message subject must begin with "Blood Test:" followed by the player's > name. The blood test shall be to determine if a player has contracted a > disease and is performed by the Nurse. > > A player may only have one blood test for every two Office Hours since > otherwise, they might become too weak to play from lack of blood. Each > blood test removes 3 body points from the player. A player who asks for a > blood test shall lose an additional 2 body points. > > There is a X percent chance that the blood test shall show the infection of > a random disease where X is 100 minus the product of the body points > divided by two for that player ( X = 100 - (B.P. / 2 ) ). The > Epidemiologist may call for a blood test for a particular disease, which > increases the likelihood of infection by that disease by 25% (since e knows > what e is talking about). Oh dear. Since the rules don't provide for amendments to proposals, this has to be taken as a separate proposal -- also REJECTED. So that's 5 more soul points. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 13:03:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 21:03:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 15527 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 21:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 21:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 21:03:17 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00840FA3@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:03:17 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA06721; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:03:16 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Bank References: <4.1.20001219114810.012e5e78@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 16:03:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:07:40 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 37 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose a new rule labeled Blood Bank: > > The Blood Bank stores blood collected from the players to be used for > medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and to increase one's health. The Blood > Bank is part of the gamestate and shall have it's status stored in a > database at . The Blood Bank is > maintained by the Nurse. > > All players are required to donate blood to the blood bank at least once > per four Office Hours. Failure to do so shall result in the decrement of > ten body points during Office Hours if that player has not donated blood > within the last four Office Hours. The players last date of donation shall > be part of the gamestate. A new player shall have a blood test immediately > upon recognition by the Doc. > > A player must have had a Blood Test within 7 days prior to donation > resulting in no new infection by that player. Only one pint of blood may be > donated for each Blood Test. As compensation for donation, a player shall > gain 100 cash points, gain 5 Soul points, and lose 3 Body points. > > If a player needs blood or wishes to buy blood, they may do so by notifying > the Nurse concerning how many pints they wish to buy. The purchase shall > decrement the player's cash points by 200, and increase their body points > by 5. This is in addition to any other costs that may be required for > medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and must be arranged before any medical > procedure requiring blood takes place. REJECTED. An interesting proposal but it requires Blood Tests -- and the Blood Test proposals were rejected. I also question the wisdom of requiring blood donations from players with communicable diseases. 5 soul points lost. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 13:05:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 21:05:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 22509 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 21:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 21:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:06:36 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001220210832.GCTL382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:08:32 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001220150211.0134ded8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:06:55 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test In-Reply-To: References: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219111714.02efddb0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I thought it was good. As the game progresses, it may be to a player's advantage to have a blood test performed. In the case of certain procedures being performed (blood donation, surgery, etc...) the player MUST request the blood test... so them requesting is not so bad. Also, the blood test would typically pick a random disease (using a random number generator) then a probability of infection by that disease. But be it as it may, I guess I'll just start suggesting things like: A player gains one cash point if a rule is accepted and loses 100 cash points if it is rejected. At 03:58 PM 12/20/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Ottis Airhart writes: > >> I propose a new rule labeled: Blood Test >> >> Any officer or a player, at their discretion, may arrange for a blood test >> to be performed on that player by sending a message to the mailing list. >> The message subject must begin with "Blood Test:" followed by the player's >> name. The blood test shall be to determine if a player has contracted a >> disease. >> >> A player may only have one blood test for every two Office Hours since >> otherwise, they might become too weak to play from lack of blood. Each >> blood test removes 3 body points from the player. A player who asks for a >> blood test shall lose an additional 2 body points. >> >> There is a X percent chance that the blood test shall show the infection of >> a random disease where X is 100 minus the product of the body points >> divided by two for that player ( X = 100 - (B.P. / 2 ) ). The >> Epidemiologist may call for a blood test for a particular disease, which >> increases the likelihood of infection by that disease by 25% (since e knows >> what e is talking about). > >REJECTED. C'mon... a blood test showing infection of Agoraphobia? > >Why would a player call for a blood test on emself? > >Suppose a blood test says the player does NOT have "Bit of a Cough". >Suppose the player *had* Bit of a Cough when the test was requested. >Does that mean e's cured? > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Dec 20 13:32:41 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 21:32:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 45107 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 21:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 21:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 21:31:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.118] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 21:31:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:31:43 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: POINT OF ORDER: Fear of Rejection and series of Proposals. Message-ID: <91r8fv+45hk@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1064 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " In the following sequence of Proposals revewed by Doc, the following progression should have occurred: At "Bloaty Head", Keven contracts "Fear of Rejection". (Noted by Doc) At "Death, Insanity, Rebirth", Keven loses 5 soul points. at "In the Psychiatrist's Chair" Keven Loses 5 soul Points, and "Fear of Rejection" is cured. You forgot to subject 10 soul points for 2 proposals submitted with "Fear of Rejection". Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > kevan@s... writes: > > Proposal - Nothing Chronic > ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. > > > Proposal - Fear Itself > ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. > > > Proposal - Nasty Cough You've Got There > ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. > > > Proposal - Bloaty Head > REJECTED. I'd like not to add diseases that can't be caught (yet). > Kevan has Fear of Rejection. > > > Proposal - Death, Insanity, Rebirth > REJECTED. I don't see why a dead player should be able to submit > > Proposal - In the Psychiatrist's Chair > ACCEPTED. This creates Rule 20. Agoraphobia check: 5 players > - Doc From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Wed Dec 20 13:32:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 21:32:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 4801 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 21:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 21:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net) (198.5.241.86) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:32:57 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjula18645 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:31:34 GMT Subject: Point of Order: Kevan's Soul Points To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:31:49 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/20/2000 03:37:41 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Kevan loses 10 soul points for submitting two proposals while having "Fear of Rejection". He caught fear of rejection with "Bloaty Head". He loses 5 soul points for submitting "Death, Insanity, Rebirth". He loses 5 soul points for submitting "In the Psychiatrists's Chair". - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Doc wrote: > Proposal - Bloaty Head REJECTED. I'd like not to add diseases that can't be caught (yet). Kevan has Fear of Rejection. > Proposal - Death, Insanity, Rebirth REJECTED. I don't see why a dead player should be able to submit proposals, and I don't see why dead players should benefit at the end of round in ways insane and other players do not. > Proposal - In the Psychiatrist's Chair ACCEPTED. This creates Rule 20. Agoraphobia check: 5 players eligible, 20% chance. From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 20 13:56:24 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 21:56:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 65655 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 21:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 21:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 21:56:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.4.69] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 21:56:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:56:19 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposals: Chronicity / Fear / Cough / Bloaty / Death / Shrink Message-ID: <91r9u3+jdqn@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1577 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.144.14 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > Bloaty Head (Physical) > > REJECTED. I'd like not to add diseases that can't be caught (yet). Oops. Must have misplaced that bit during some cut-and-paste. (Although our resident NASTY MAN - a phrase, incidentally, which caused great amusement this morning; kudos, there - would be able to bloat our heads if he felt the need, of course.) Oh well. > > Proposal - Death, Insanity, Rebirth > > REJECTED. I don't see why a dead player should be able to submit > proposals, Well, it seems a shame to completely remove a Player's influence on the game. Quietly submitting ideas from the Other Side until the next Round began seemed better than thumb-twiddling or (indeed) losing interest in a game that you're reduced to commenting on. If anything it'd be interesting to see a bunch of Dead Players trying to speed the Round up. > and I don't see why dead players should benefit at the end > of round in ways insane and other players do not. Mm, they only get enough Body Points to take them fairly clear of a repeated death, and lose any Diseases that might have contributed to them dying in the first place. It seemed fair recompense for the severe disability of Death, which could drag on for a while. (Insane Players shouldn't find it too hard to get *some* Soul back, of course, and ill Players will likely sort themselves out in the time that our Dead friends were sitting around being Dead.) I was overstretching myself a bit in that Proposal, though. I'll give it a rethink. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Shut up and get on the cart." From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Dec 20 14:03:14 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:03:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 86529 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.47) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 23:04:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.36] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 22:03:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:03:09 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Proposal Framework Message-ID: <91raat+4ih4@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 917 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " Keven's last list-o-proposals is too confusing. I propose the following rule: "Proposal Framework" ----TEXT--------------- There may be only one proposal per message. If more then one proposal is made in a message, all proposals in the message are ignored. If the proposal is for a new rule, the subject line must include the text, "Proposal:" followed by the text name of the new rule. If the proposal is an amendment, the subject line must include the text "Proposal: Amendment to" follwed by the title of the rule to be amended. If these guidelines are not followed then the proposal is ignored. Minor variation in spacing and spelling will be accepted as long as the general format is followed. -----/TEXT------------- This may be a bit too tight, but it will make searching the archives for Proposals and/or amendments MUCH easier. Note to doc: I Lose 5 soul points for this proposal. Feyd From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Wed Dec 20 14:06:51 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:06:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 15690 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:06:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net) (198.5.241.86) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:06:50 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjulc00588 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:06:32 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Proposal Framework To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:06:46 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/20/2000 04:12:39 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM What about proposals that repeal rules? What about enacting, or amending multiple rules? What about proposals that both enact and amend rules? I like the idea of restricting proposals to one per message, but the naming scheme is extremely lacking. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Feyd wrote: Keven's last list-o-proposals is too confusing. I propose the following rule: "Proposal Framework" ----TEXT--------------- There may be only one proposal per message. If more then one proposal is made in a message, all proposals in the message are ignored. If the proposal is for a new rule, the subject line must include the text, "Proposal:" followed by the text name of the new rule. If the proposal is an amendment, the subject line must include the text "Proposal: Amendment to" follwed by the title of the rule to be amended. If these guidelines are not followed then the proposal is ignored. Minor variation in spacing and spelling will be accepted as long as the general format is followed. -----/TEXT------------- This may be a bit too tight, but it will make searching the archives for Proposals and/or amendments MUCH easier. Note to doc: I Lose 5 soul points for this proposal. Feyd To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Wed Dec 20 14:09:24 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:09:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 22747 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.122) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 23:10:28 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjulc14778 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:09:22 GMT Subject: Proposal: Therapy Session To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:09:19 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/20/2000 04:15:12 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Enact a new rule called Therapy Session: During office hours, Doc will hold up to five (5) therapy sessions to help restore sanity to those that request it. Players may request a therapy session by sending such a request to the mailing list. Doc will schedule therapy sessions on a first requested / first served basis. During a therapy session, Doc will add five (5) soul points to the player, but will not be able to increase their soul points above one hundred (100). The player will pay Doc fifty (50) cash for the session. Players may attempt to schedule as many therapy sessions as they want for a particular office hours. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 14:34:38 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:34:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 81869 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:34:38 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0084172F@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:34:38 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA24296; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:34:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] POINT OF ORDER: Fear of Rejection and series of Proposals. References: <91r8fv+45hk@eGroups.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 17:34:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:31:43 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > In the following sequence of Proposals revewed by Doc, the following > progression should have occurred: > > At "Bloaty Head", Keven contracts "Fear of Rejection". > (Noted by Doc) > At "Death, Insanity, Rebirth", Keven loses 5 soul points. > at "In the Psychiatrist's Chair" Keven Loses 5 soul Points, and "Fear > of Rejection" is cured. > > You forgot to subject 10 soul points for 2 proposals submitted > with "Fear of Rejection". (Mr Weston submitted essentially the same POO). No! Kevan did *not* submit any proposals with "Fear of Rejection". At the time the proposals were submitted Kevan did not have "FoR". At the time the last two were *judged* he did, but the soul point deduction is only for proposals *submitted* with "FoR". HOWEVER... I then went and made Feyd's mistake with Ottis's proposals. I deducted 15 S.P.s incorrectly. Sorry Ottis! I'll fix. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 14:38:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:38:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 51313 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:38:30 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00841792@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:37:48 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA24542; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:37:47 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test References: <91o05q+c7lq@eGroups.com> <4.1.20001219111714.02efddb0@pop3.ispchannel.com> <4.1.20001220150211.0134ded8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 20 Dec 2000 17:37:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:06:55 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I thought it was good. As the game progresses, it may be to a player's > advantage to have a blood test performed. In the case of certain procedures > being performed (blood donation, surgery, etc...) the player MUST request > the blood test... so them requesting is not so bad. OK... that makes sense. > Also, the blood test would typically pick a random disease (using a random > number generator) then a probability of infection by that disease. Yeah, I understand... but the random disease will sometimes be one that the player has, and in some of those cases the blood test will sometimes say e doesn't have it. Strikes me as somewhat inconsistent with the rules explicitly governing cures... -- - Doc From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Wed Dec 20 14:45:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:45:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 13715 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.122) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:45:16 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjulf00388 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:45:16 GMT Subject: Proposal: Fear of Judgement, not Fear of Proposing To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:45:12 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/20/2000 04:51:06 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Amend rule 10 by striking this phrase from Fear of Rejection, "submits a Proposal" and replacing it with, "has one of their proposals judged". - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Dec 20 14:54:11 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 22:54:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 5075 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 22:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 22:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ef.egroups.com) (10.1.2.111) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 22:54:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.104] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2000 22:54:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:54:02 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Beat me to it Jeffrey Message-ID: <91rdaa+1ljj@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 314 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, JJWeston@T... wrote: > Amend rule 10 by striking this phrase from Fear of Rejection, "submits > a Proposal" and replacing it with, "has one of their proposals judged". > > - - - > Jeffrey J. Weston > jjweston@t... > PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc > - - - From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Wed Dec 20 15:16:16 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 20 Dec 2000 23:16:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 3733 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 23:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2000 23:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net) (198.5.241.86) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 23:16:15 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjulh20610 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:15:57 GMT Subject: Proposal: Better Perks for the Masses To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:16:11 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/20/2000 05:22:05 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Amend rule 12 to read in full: Whenever a proposal passes, Doc gives the proposer one (1) pill of any color. If, in the opinion of Doc, the proposal makes the game more interesting, Doc gives the proposer one (1) additional pill of any color. If, in the opinion of Doc, the proposal is the most creative proposal passed to date, Doc gives the proposer three (3) additional pills of any color. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 19:34:15 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 03:34:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 95633 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 03:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 03:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 03:34:11 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221033713.JJXL382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:37:13 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001220213527.0134bde0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:35:38 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Better Perks for the Masses In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Seems like that is what is already happening. At 03:16 PM 12/20/2000 -0800, you wrote: > Amend rule 12 to read in full: > >Whenever a proposal passes, Doc gives the proposer one (1) pill of any >color. If, in the opinion of Doc, the proposal makes the game more >interesting, Doc gives the proposer one (1) additional pill of any color. >If, in the opinion of Doc, the proposal is the most creative proposal >passed to date, Doc gives the proposer three (3) additional pills of any >color. > >- - - >Jeffrey J. Weston >jjweston@thoughtworks.com >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc >- - - > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 20:22:16 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 04:22:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 20131 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 04:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 04:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 04:22:14 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221042516.JSJF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:25:16 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001220215215.013d9f08@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:23:39 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Blood Test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart (I have no fear of rejection) I propose the following: Blood Test A blood test may be performed on a player at the request of that player or any officer. The blood test costs 1 body point and 5 cash points if requested by the player and is free when requested by an officer. The blood test shall check for any communicable. The disease shall be randomly chosen from diseases not already inflicting the player. The chance of the discovery of a new infection is X percent where X is equal to 100 minus the dividend of the player's body points divided by 2 ( 100 - ( B.P. / 2 )). There must be two office hours events between each blood test for a particular player. The nurse performs all blood tests by request in an email sent to the mailing list with a subject: "Blood Test:" followed by the player's name. ===more=== The nurse shall generate all random numbers via email from: http://www.irony.com/mailroll.html which has a verifiable interface for unbiased random number generation. A number between 0 and 100 shall be generated. If the player has an 80 percent probability, then any number between 0 and 80 is a positive result, otherwise it is a negative result. Doc, feel free to include or exclude the last paragraph. It is the method the nurse should use to generate the random number (roll the dice) in this case. I'm working on a way to have the results emailed DIRECTLY to the mailing list, but the server has to be a member... so I'm working on that. Here is an example: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Random number test zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 3 rolls of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 73. Roll 2: 95. Roll 3: 5. Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkGBfLyfeleUG9SNAQH3XQH8DPrOAfQ8SqWuomwESh2411I1VYI0YJNZ rF3jBiCvUl2q8JM815/ab4DsyJOZficaJtRMcattBQ/ddJXPJfnLog== =D9ax -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ====== This can be pasted in a form on their website and it will tell you if it had been tampered with, etc. Pretty good. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Dec 20 21:36:25 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 05:36:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 23249 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 05:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 05:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 05:36:05 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00842CA4@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 0:36:05 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA00280; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:36:04 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Office hours Date: 21 Dec 2000 00:36:04 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 49 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu PRESCRIPTIONS: All players are to receive 1 r / 2 b / 3 g. (Nurse, please dispense.) COMMUNICABLE DISEASES: Selecting first random player out of 8: 1 random ints 1 <= x <= 8: 7 Player #7 = Mark Nau, has no communicable diseases, so none transmitted. ADDICT: Kevan has the most pills and so is addict for the week. He loses 3 BP / 5 SP. MIGRAINES: No present Migraine sufferers. 150 messages have been posted since last Office Hours All players have 150% chance of contracting a Migraine. All players now have Migraine. NASTY COUGH: Jim has Bit of a Cough. 30% chance of changing to Nasty Cough. 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.25054931640625 Jim now has a Nasty Cough. CASH: All players get 100 cash. NURSE'S COMPENSATION: 2 SP, 5 BP, 3 green pills (Nurse to dispense pills) EPIDEMIOLOGIST'S COMPENSATION: 1 red pill, 1 yellow pill (Nurse, please dispense) -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:22:07 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:22:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 5405 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 06:22:06 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221062509.KKHG382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:25:09 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221001951.01376ca8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:23:34 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (a) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart All players have received their weekly subscription of 1 red, 2 blue, and 3 green pills. The Epidemiologist and Nurse have both been compensated according to the rules and Doc's request. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:30:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:30:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 37880 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 06:30:27 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221063330.KLFJ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:33:30 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221002335.0135db70@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:31:55 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Point Of Order: Perks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I bring to your attention the following matter concerning Perks, only to establish a clarification. First let me state the Nurse's defined duties. I quote from the beginning of Rule 16. "16. Nurse The name of the player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the gamestate. The Nurse keeps track of people's Prescriptions. " To define prescriptions, let's look at rule 9: "9. Prescriptions During each Office Hours, all Players will receive a prescription of a certain number of Pills, of specified colours. The exact number and colours of Pills received must be defined by the rules. Unless specified elsewhere, all Players have a prescription of one Red Pill, two Blue Pills and three Green Pills. This rule defers to all other rules that specify a prescription amount. " It is obvious from these two rules that the Nurse is to administer the weekly hand out of pills. No problem. BUT... let's look at Rule 12: "12. Perks Whenever a Proposal passes, Doc may give its Proposer up to three Pills of any colours he feels appropriate." This rule does not mention that these pills are part of any type of prescription. In fact it states that Doc should hand out the pills, and I heartily agree. As Doc feels free to judge the proposals, it would be easiest for the Doc to adjust any perks associated with passages of proposals. The Nurse has already taken care of the past two "rounds" of proposal judgements and adjusted the pill counts according to the perks given by the Doc. In the future, the Doc needs to adjust pill counts for perks. The Nurse may miss or over-compensate a player in light of all the discussion that goes on concerning passages, rejections, etc... it would just be better for Doc to handle this as the rule states, when a proposal actually passes. Again: all pills are up to date as of this message. No further adjustment is necessary until future proposals are judged. Nurse Ottis From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:39:45 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:39:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 68074 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 06:39:45 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221064247.KMBZ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:42:47 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221003649.01390248@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:41:12 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order: Proposals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I do not recommend that we adjust previous events, but for future events, we need to be aware of the exact wording of the rules. I have a proposal immediately following this point of order to try and fix the problem. Rule 3 states: == Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one or more new proposed Rules, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more existing Rules. ... Doc will judge each Pending Proposal and accept, reject or ignore it. To ignore a Proposal, the condition by which it is ignored must be explicit elsewhere in the ruleset. Once a Proposal has been judged, it ceases to be Pending. == This means that if a single email (a Proposal) is sent, it can consist of many proposed rules, amendments, and/or repeals. This also means that the proposal, with possibly many proposed rules, etc., is to be judged IN WHOLE... not, as it has previously been done, by judging each individual addition or change within the email. See the next proposal for a possible fix. Ottis From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:41:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:41:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 70409 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:41:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:42:22 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221064419.KMHY382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:44:19 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221002229.013a7ee0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:42:45 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend Rule 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Rule 3 currently states: Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one or more new proposed Rules, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more existing Rules. I recommend the following amendment to Rule 3: Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one new proposed Rule, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more (if related) existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more (if related) existing Rules. All new rules, amendments, and/or repeals contained within a single Proposal email sent to the mailing shall be judged in whole. === This should clear up our record keeping a bit and make the proposals easier to follow. A new rule shall be submitted in a single email by itself. I mentioned one or more for amendments or repeals because there are many cases where a new rule, amendment, or repeal depends on all the actions being taken, not just one action. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:47:44 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:47:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 53856 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 06:47:44 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221065046.KMWE382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:50:46 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221004819.0135cf00@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:49:11 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Pill Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Nurse, I wisth to take one green pill to try and cure my migrane. Ottis From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:52:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:52:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 90825 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:53:24 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221065521.KNKE382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:55:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221005239.0135cff0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:53:46 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report - 12/21/00 (b) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221004819.0135cf00@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart At 12:49 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Nurse, > >I wisth to take one green pill to try and cure my migrane. > >Ottis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- 1 Green pill taken to cure Ottis' migrane, 50% chance zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 14. Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkGn17yfeleUG9SNAQEL7AH/cqT79XxKn0PkS/iYG3UVO+kUkVUUzuKo D+iirjYUoPpFKqdGuqO5DsJOpef6SgRGXzmusWwDj+qNKUWGQnMM2w== =w3SN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- (14) Failed to cure the migrane. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:53:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:53:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 80361 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 06:53:43 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221065645.KNNT382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:56:45 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221005358.05ed1e28@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:55:10 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Pill, please! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Nurse, I rrreeaaaallyy wishth to tanke one more green pill to twy and cyure my mwigrame. This is really starting to hoyurt!! Ottis From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 20 22:57:22 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 06:57:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 87190 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 06:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 06:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:58:27 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221070021.KNWD382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:00:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221005724.05ed1f18@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:58:46 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (c) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221005358.05ed1e28@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart At 12:55 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Nurse, > >I rrreeaaaallyy wishth to tanke one more green pill to twy and cyure my >mwigrame. This is really starting to hoyurt!! > >Ottis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- 1 Green pill taken to cure Ottis' migrane, 50% chance zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 95. Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkGpLbyfeleUG9SNAQGw3AH/QxoYd9v0fy9gcgKs2OJVDwYnvdHq3Epo gur0NcJLe5GXCjs6LvOgnDMsr1ybzglRSSNakEm2OVawTScrNDW2jA== =8kHA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- (95) so you are cured. DOC, please make the appropriate changes to the gamestate for Ottis. He is cured of his migrane after taking 2 pills. From jjweston@pop.net Wed Dec 20 23:20:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 07:20:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 45617 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 07:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 07:20:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:20:18 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjumn23902 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:20:17 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001220230939.016795d0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:09:39 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Better Perks for the Masses In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001220213527.0134bde0@pop3.ispchannel.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston At 09:35 PM 12/20/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Seems like that is what is already happening. Not exactly... Doc currently "may" choose to award pills. Occasionally, Doc has awarded no pills for an accepted proposal. I would like to make getting at least one pill a requirement, with additional pills given out as Doc feels appropriate for the conditions I list. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Wed Dec 20 23:20:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 07:20:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 15007 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 07:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 07:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:20:19 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjumn23905 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:20:18 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001220231659.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:16:59 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order: Proposals In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221003649.01390248@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston At 12:41 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >I do not recommend that we adjust previous events, but for future events, >we need to be aware of the exact wording of the rules. I have a proposal >immediately following this point of order to try and fix the problem. > >Rule 3 states: [snip] Rule 3 also states that "Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored." This already implies that only one proposal is allowed per email. In reality all of the proposals in Kevan's one message should have been ignored, since they did not follow the naming convention of rule 3. I think I will also make a Point of Order along these lines... - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Wed Dec 20 23:20:20 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 07:20:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 29425 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 07:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 07:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:20:20 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjumn23910 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:20:19 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001220232005.01687e20@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:20:05 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Rule 3 In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221002229.013a7ee0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston At 12:42 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >I recommend the following amendment to Rule 3: > >Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. >A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one new >proposed Rule, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more (if related) >existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more (if related) >existing Rules. All new rules, amendments, and/or repeals contained within >a single Proposal email sent to the mailing shall be judged in whole. This amendment adds restrictions to rule 3 that I don't think are really neccessary. I feel the rule already properly handles multiple proposals in one message, they should be ignored. A Point of Order should be able to clear the problem up without amending the rule. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Wed Dec 20 23:27:41 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 07:27:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 28300 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 07:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 07:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 08:28:46 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjumn01210 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:27:40 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001220232727.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:27:27 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order: Ignore Multiple Proposals in one Message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston According to the naming scheme presented in rule 3, we have the following sentence: "Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored." Clearly, one message with multiple proposals in it cannot meet this naming convention. Kevan submitted the following proposals that did not following this naming convention and yet they were not ignored: "Nothing Chronic", "Fear Itself", "Nasty Cough You've Got There", "Bloaty Head", "Death, Insanity, Rebirth", and "In the Psychiatrist's Chair". I argue that all of these proposals should have been ignored according to rule 3. BUT... It would be a real pain to go back and change events that have already happened. I propose with this Point of Order that in the future, multiple proposals in one email message are simply ignored. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From jjweston@pop.net Wed Dec 20 23:39:48 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 07:39:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 66497 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 07:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 07:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 07:39:47 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjumo14538 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:39:46 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001220233936.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:39:36 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (c) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221005724.05ed1f18@pop3.ispchannel.com> References: <4.1.20001221005358.05ed1e28@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston Hmm... I'm getting a bad signature from all three PGP signed messages you posted... Are you getting valid signatures from this service when they're mailed directly to you? I get this: *** PGP Signature Status: bad *** Signer: Irony Games (Invalid) *** Signed: 12/20/2000 10:54:37 PM *** Verified: 12/20/2000 11:37:12 PM At 12:58 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >1 Green pill taken to cure Ottis' migrane, 50% chance > >zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. >Roll them bones ... your dice are >Roll 1: 95. > >Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. >(Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) > > > --- >Irony Games' public PGP key is available at >http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.3ia >Charset: noconv > >iQBVAwUBOkGpLbyfeleUG9SNAQGw3AH/QxoYd9v0fy9gcgKs2OJVDwYnvdHq3Epo >gur0NcJLe5GXCjs6LvOgnDMsr1ybzglRSSNakEm2OVawTScrNDW2jA== >=8kHA >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 01:39:10 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 09:39:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 34889 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 09:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 09:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 10:40:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.113] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 09:39:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:39:09 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Point of Order: Ignore Multiple Proposals in one Message Message-ID: <91sj3t+g6uh@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001220232727.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1651 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > According to the naming scheme presented in rule 3, we have=20 the following > sentence: "Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: > "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be=20 ignored." Which is actually a touch nonsensical, because Proposals don't *have*=20 subject lines. Emails have them, but Proposals don't. And even then,=20 there's no reason why you can't have a dozen Proposals with the same=20 "label". > Clearly, one message with multiple proposals in it cannot=20 meet this naming > convention. Indeed. Careless. I hadn't realised that the subject-binding Proposal=20 had passed. The peril of an Imperial Nomic where you get to read=20 Proposals before they're judged. Guilty as charged. > I argue that all of these proposals should have been ignored=20 according to > rule 3. BUT... It would be a real pain to go back and change events=20 that > have already happened. I propose with this Point of Order that in=20 the > future, multiple proposals in one email message are simply ignored. Mm. I suppose Doc could Proclaim that the passed Proposals are to be=20 enacted retroactively, along with consequent impact on the gamestate.=20 Not too painful. Irony time, though:- "Each Point of Order must have in its Subject line the text: "Point=20 of Order:" followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference=20 or it shall be ignored." I don't think you've given the "label" of a Proposal or Rule, have=20 you? But I suppose Doc can make Proclamations regardless, if he feels=20 like it, so it doesn't really make that much difference. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "It's clich=E9d to be cynical at Christmas." From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 02:55:42 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 10:55:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 87366 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 10:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 10:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 10:55:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.126] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 10:55:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:55:40 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: More drugs Message-ID: <91snjc+scfs@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221001951.01376ca8@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 128 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com And a Red one, actually, please. K. -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm a million different people from one day to the next." From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 02:59:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 10:59:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 43480 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 10:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 10:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 10:59:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.67] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 10:59:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:59:39 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: More drugs Message-ID: <91snqr+n9sb@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91snjc+scfs@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 343 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > And a Red one, actually, please. He carelessly says to his invisible friend. Tsk. Dragging it into context, he also notifies the Nurse that he wishes to take a Red Pill. And exchange six Green for three Red, while he's at it. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I need pills to help me sleep, and I need pills to wake me up as well." From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 06:07:23 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 14:07:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 20087 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 14:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 14:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 15:06:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.112] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 14:05:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:05:29 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Nurse's Report - 12/21/00 (b) Message-ID: <91t2n9+ii1v@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221005239.0135cff0@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 516 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > At 12:49 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >Nurse, > > > >I wisth to take one green pill to try and cure my migrane. > > > >Ottis > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > 1 Green pill taken to cure Ottis' migrane, 50% chance > zracing1@h... requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. > Roll them bones ... your dice are > Roll 1: 14. > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > (14) Failed to cure the migrane. Um, doesn't a 14 cure the migrane? Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 06:26:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 14:26:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 79314 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 14:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 14:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 14:23:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.110] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 14:23:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:23:12 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Nurse's Report - 12/21/00 (b) Message-ID: <91t3og+il0b@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91t2n9+ii1v@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 990 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Um, doesn't a 14 cure the migrane? It seems he was taking results greater than fifty to be successes. Admirable of him to stick to it despite not telling us how he was rolling, really, since it was his own Pill. Incidentally, should anyone show any interest in the automated Player- data thing I was working on, I was planning on having it print (as part of the log) percentage results for each individual Pill that was taken, so that we could just go to the Web page and click as appropriate, rather than having to ask Ottis to roll a die and update scores for us. I'm off work tomorrow and likely to find *some* quiet moments over the weekend; if anyone, most critically Doc and Ottis, would like me to bring the Player-data thing up to speed and propose the necessary amendments to the Ruleset, nod your heads. Mm, and if anyone's got any spare pills they could give me, that'd be lovely, by the way. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Anaesthesia makes it easier." From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 06:31:08 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 14:31:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 89378 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 14:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 14:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 14:26:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.93] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 14:25:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:25:45 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: POINT OF ORDER: ADDICT Violations Message-ID: <91t3t9+t5vv@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91snqr+n9sb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1113 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > > And a Red one, actually, please. > > He carelessly says to his invisible friend. Tsk. Dragging it into > context, he also notifies the Nurse that he wishes to take a Red > Pill. And exchange six Green for three Red, while he's at it. > > Kevan As the addict, you can take pills, but you cannot swap more pills for fewer pills. "The Addict may not take any Action that reduces the number of pills in eir possession except to take a pill (or have the Nurse administer a pill to em). " Also, in email 197 he does not ask for pills. I think in 198 and 199 he does kinda ask for pills, so no problem there. Still, he should lose 1 soul point for 197. ". In addition, the Addict must take 1 red pill in order to make a Proposal. In any non-proposal message they send to the public newsgroup the addict must in some way ask for a pill. Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued as an action for the next Office Hours. " Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 06:52:01 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 14:52:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 60128 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 14:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 14:43:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.91) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 15:44:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.33] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 14:42:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:42:28 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: POINT OF ORDER: ADDICT Violations Message-ID: <91t4sk+r53o@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91t3t9+t5vv@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 595 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com Hmm, I'm not really sure tat this should be a Point of Order, since there's no real point in Doc making a Proclamation to sort anything out. It would have been if the Nurse had actually swapped the Pills, but as it stands it's just me talking rubbish. > As the addict, you can take pills, but you cannot swap more pills for > fewer pills. Quite true. Tsk tsk. Mustn't waste the precious things. (I don't suppose someone could *give* me a few Red Pills, could they?) (What do you mean the Rules don't permit it?) Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Congratulations, hallucinations." From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 07:17:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 15:17:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 65034 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 15:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 15:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:07:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.106] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 15:05:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:05:56 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amend Rule 3 Message-ID: <91t68k+dmhq@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221002229.013a7ee0@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2121 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > I recommend the following amendment to Rule 3: > > Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. > A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one new > proposed Rule, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more (if related) > existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more (if related) > existing Rules. All new rules, amendments, and/or repeals contained within > a single Proposal email sent to the mailing shall be judged in whole. Hm, what's wrong with proposing to enact two new Rules? Is there anything very terrible about repealing two unrelated Rules (whatever "unrelated" means)? Surely if someone crammed a dozen disparate rule changes into one huge Proposal, they'd just run the risk of Doc rejecting the whole thing because he didn't approve of a particular element. And even if it all got the thumbs-up, they'd only stand to gain a relatively tiny Pill reward. I think we should leave the option open. > This should clear up our record keeping a bit and make the proposals easier > to follow. I don't know how aware we are of this, but the eGroups archive has a rather nice search feature, making it extremely easy to find the origin of particular game aspects:- http://www.egroups.com/messagesearch/DocNomic?query=bloaty%20head Provided we stick to a consistent subject line and give some clue as to what Proposals an email contains, I don't think they'll be that difficult to follow. If anything, multiple Proposals seem a good idea; Migraines aside, would people really prefer a slew of a dozen little emails to a single larger one? (And, indeed, an avalanche of individual reply threads to a single discussion?) If you're sending similar-purpose messages several times in quick succession to the same target, combining them into a single email seems the obvious and useful thing to do, for both sender and reader, at least from my point of view. Hmm. (I'd really like some Pills if anyone's got any spare, incidentally.) Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Good quality stationery never comes to my house." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 07:54:39 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 15:54:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 39397 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 15:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 15:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 15:36:19 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221153922.MSBF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:39:22 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221093630.01398f28@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:37:46 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order: Ignore Multiple Proposals in one Message In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001220232727.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop. net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I disagree that all others proposals in an email should be ignored. They should just be judged together. If I want to remove small section of one rule, then make a new rule that might broaden that texts requirements, then it should all be done in one proposal (look at the Nurse proposal by me making the Nurse a seperate rule). At 11:27 PM 12/20/2000 -0800, you wrote: > According to the naming scheme presented in rule 3, we have the following >sentence: "Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: >"Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored." > > Clearly, one message with multiple proposals in it cannot meet this naming >convention. Kevan submitted the following proposals that did not following >this naming convention and yet they were not ignored: "Nothing Chronic", >"Fear Itself", "Nasty Cough You've Got There", "Bloaty Head", "Death, >Insanity, Rebirth", and "In the Psychiatrist's Chair". > > I argue that all of these proposals should have been ignored according to >rule 3. BUT... It would be a real pain to go back and change events that >have already happened. I propose with this Point of Order that in the >future, multiple proposals in one email message are simply ignored. > >- - - >Jeffrey J. Weston >jjweston@pop.net >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc >- - - > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 07:55:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 15:55:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 93562 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 15:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 15:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 15:36:51 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221153954.MSDN382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:39:54 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221093751.05f34cc0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:38:18 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (c) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001220233936.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop. net> References: <4.1.20001221005724.05ed1f18@pop3.ispchannel.com> <4.1.20001221005358.05ed1e28@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I concur. I don't know why. I tested it earlier with no problems. At 11:39 PM 12/20/2000 -0800, you wrote: > Hmm... I'm getting a bad signature from all three PGP signed messages you >posted... Are you getting valid signatures from this service when they're >mailed directly to you? > > I get this: >*** PGP Signature Status: bad >*** Signer: Irony Games (Invalid) >*** Signed: 12/20/2000 10:54:37 PM >*** Verified: 12/20/2000 11:37:12 PM > >At 12:58 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >> >>1 Green pill taken to cure Ottis' migrane, 50% chance >> >>zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. >>Roll them bones ... your dice are >>Roll 1: 95. >> >>Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. >>(Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) >> >> >> --- >>Irony Games' public PGP key is available at >>http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html >> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: 2.6.3ia >>Charset: noconv >> >>iQBVAwUBOkGpLbyfeleUG9SNAQGw3AH/QxoYd9v0fy9gcgKs2OJVDwYnvdHq3Epo >>gur0NcJLe5GXCjs6LvOgnDMsr1ybzglRSSNakEm2OVawTScrNDW2jA== >>=8kHA >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >- - - >Jeffrey J. Weston >jjweston@pop.net >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc >- - - > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 07:59:50 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 15:59:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 16787 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 15:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 15:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 15:42:39 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221154542.MSWG382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:45:42 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221094324.013cbec8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:44:04 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order: Diseases In-Reply-To: <91sj3t+g6uh@eGroups.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20001220232727.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ottis Airhart Kevan should have asked for a pill in this message. Lose one soul point, you addict, you. Doc shall remove it in the next Office Hours. At 09:39 AM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: >> According to the naming scheme presented in rule 3, we have >the following >> sentence: "Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: >> "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be >ignored." > >Which is actually a touch nonsensical, because Proposals don't *have* >subject lines. Emails have them, but Proposals don't. And even then, >there's no reason why you can't have a dozen Proposals with the same >"label". > >> Clearly, one message with multiple proposals in it cannot >meet this naming >> convention. > >Indeed. Careless. I hadn't realised that the subject-binding Proposal >had passed. The peril of an Imperial Nomic where you get to read >Proposals before they're judged. Guilty as charged. > >> I argue that all of these proposals should have been ignored >according to >> rule 3. BUT... It would be a real pain to go back and change events >that >> have already happened. I propose with this Point of Order that in >the >> future, multiple proposals in one email message are simply ignored. > >Mm. I suppose Doc could Proclaim that the passed Proposals are to be >enacted retroactively, along with consequent impact on the gamestate. >Not too painful. > >Irony time, though:- > >"Each Point of Order must have in its Subject line the text: "Point >of Order:" followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference >or it shall be ignored." > >I don't think you've given the "label" of a Proposal or Rule, have >you? But I suppose Doc can make Proclamations regardless, if he feels >like it, so it doesn't really make that much difference. > >Kevan > >-- >http://uncertain.org/~kevan >"It's clichéd to be cynical at Christmas." > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 08:03:09 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:03:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 68035 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 15:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 15:47:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:48:08 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221155005.MTRQ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:50:05 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221094641.013c4f28@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:48:20 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (d) In-Reply-To: <91snqr+n9sb@eGroups.com> References: <91snjc+scfs@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I shall administer one red pill, but I'm sorry, dear Kevan, I can not give you less pills than you already own. There is nothing in the rules that state you can not try, but it doesn't give consequences if you do try... So, I'll just ignore that little incident. Kevan takes one red pill. At 10:59 AM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: >> And a Red one, actually, please. > >He carelessly says to his invisible friend. Tsk. Dragging it into >context, he also notifies the Nurse that he wishes to take a Red >Pill. And exchange six Green for three Red, while he's at it. > >Kevan > >-- >http://uncertain.org/~kevan >"I need pills to help me sleep, >and I need pills to wake me up as well." > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 08:22:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 23569 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ck.egroups.com) (10.1.2.83) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:11:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.211] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:11:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:10:58 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Glam Rock Shoulder Message-ID: <91ta2i+k9b6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1095 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Glam Rock Shoulder { http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_149894.html } Create a new Disease in the "Diseases" Rule:- Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) During the first Office Hours of 2001, each Player has a 25% chance of contracting Glam Rock Shoulder, in the wake of the Hospital's New Year bash. This Disease causes its sufferer to lose 4 Body Points during every subsequent Office Hours, and can be operated on by Doc or the Nurse for 350 Cash. If no Players have Glam Rock Shoulder, and if the first Office Hours of 2001 have passed, this Disease shall be removed from the Ruleset. To "Diseases", add the paragraph:- Some Diseases are operable by certain staff, for a given cost. A Player may request such an operation from a relevant staff member, if he or she can afford the operation; upon such a request being publicly acknowledged, the Player is cured of the Disease and loses Cash equal to the cost. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 08:23:06 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:23:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 60852 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 17:12:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.64] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:11:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:11:33 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of order: I don't like this logic. Re: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (d) Message-ID: <91ta3l+vdad@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221094641.013c4f28@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1278 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " Should this be "Kevin TRIES to take one red pill, and fails." Rule 14 states that a player can only take a Pill of a certain color if e has one of that color. "Take a Pill: If a player takes a Pill of a certain color, eir number of pills of that color is reduced by one. A player can only take a Pill of a certain color if e has one of that color. " Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > I shall administer one red pill, but I'm sorry, dear Kevan, I can not give > you less pills than you already own. > > There is nothing in the rules that state you can not try, but it doesn't > give consequences if you do try... So, I'll just ignore that little incident. > > Kevan takes one red pill. > > > At 10:59 AM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: > >> And a Red one, actually, please. > > > >He carelessly says to his invisible friend. Tsk. Dragging it into > >context, he also notifies the Nurse that he wishes to take a Red > >Pill. And exchange six Green for three Red, while he's at it. > > > >Kevan > > > >-- > >http://uncertain.org/~kevan > >"I need pills to help me sleep, > >and I need pills to wake me up as well." > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 21 08:25:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:25:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 76506 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:15:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.211] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:15:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:14:35 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (d) Message-ID: <91ta9b+abt0@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221094641.013c4f28@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 649 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > I shall administer one red pill, but I'm sorry, dear Kevan, I can not give > you less pills than you already own. Quite right. I'd quite forgotten my frenzy for the things. Pills. Must have more pills. (What happened to the ones I requested ingestion of through private email mere moments before, incidentally?) > There is nothing in the rules that state you can not try, but it doesn't > give consequences if you do try... So, I'll just ignore that little incident. Thankyou, Nurse. > Kevan takes one red pill. Yum. I think I'll take another one. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Cake is a bisturbile cranabolic amphetamoid." From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 08:27:10 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:27:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 5781 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:13:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.64] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:13:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:12:46 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Request to Nurse, take one green pill Message-ID: <91ta5u+oodb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 08:28:35 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:28:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 92493 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:18:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:18:05 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221162107.MYTQ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:21:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221101903.0135fef0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:19:32 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Nurse's Report - 12/21/00 (b) In-Reply-To: <91t2n9+ii1v@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20001221005239.0135cff0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart At 02:05 PM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: >--- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: >> At 12:49 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >> >Nurse, >> > >> >I wisth to take one green pill to try and cure my migrane. >> > >> >Ottis >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> 1 Green pill taken to cure Ottis' migrane, 50% chance >> zracing1@h... requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. >> Roll them bones ... your dice are >> Roll 1: 14. >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> (14) Failed to cure the migrane. > >Um, doesn't a 14 cure the migrane? >Feyd > Yes 14 does... I was just under such pain, I didn't realize it at the time. Thanks. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 08:31:18 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:31:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 61337 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:21:29 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221162431.MZIU382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:24:31 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221102027.01403128@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:22:56 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (e) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Jeff requested one green pill and Kevan requested 3 to be administered. All pill totals have been updated, and here are the results for the migrane treatment: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- 1 for Jeff, 3 for Kevan... 0-50 cures migrane zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 4 rolls of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 92. Roll 2: 11. Roll 3: 72. Roll 4: 4. Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkItALyfeleUG9SNAQGE4gH+JTUO/gwXFn1AvQ+wsRRG4Dd9sB3yGuEj 1JiNkVgmdzDAA98Qxcp9AhB9NZmJxOChmM4vsAXvkCVC7eewpvVbMg== =nH/3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Jeff was not cured with a 92. Kevan was cured on the first of his rolls with an 11. Doc, please make appropriate changes so that Kevan does not indicate a migrane. Nurse Ottis From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 08:32:17 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:32:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 28383 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.91) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:20:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.96] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:20:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:20:01 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend Rule 10 Message-ID: <91tajh+hl6h@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1089 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " In light of deseases taking affect in rather nasty ways, I offer the following amendments to rule 10. Amendment1: Change the definition of Migrane to Read: Migraine (Non-Contagious) During Office Hours:- All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and x/10 Soul Points. All other Players each have an 'x/10' per cent chance of contracting a Migraine. ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since the end of the previous Office Hours. Each Green Pill a Player takes has a 50% chance of curing them of this Disease. Amendment2: Add the following to the last paragraph defining Addiciton (note that [[]] below denote comment and are not part of the amendment). [[Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued as an action for the next Office Hours.]] The first player per message thus helping the Addict fight his addiction is doing a good deed, and thus gains a soul point. Subsequent players are just nagging and get nothing. Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 08:36:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:36:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 48335 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:27:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.96] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:27:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:22:46 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Kevan...ya need pills, do ya? Message-ID: <91taom+c146@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 126 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " And you're the Psyche, eh? I herby give you 1 of my red pills and request that you counsel me about my Agoraphobia. Feyd From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 21 08:37:58 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:37:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 32951 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:29:48 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjunx24793 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:29:47 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001221082934.010d73f0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:29:34 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse! - One green pill please... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston My private request seems to have been ignored. Since this migraine is killing me, I *really* want to take one green pill to try to cure it. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 08:40:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:40:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 36923 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:30:54 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221163350.NAWD382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:33:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221102909.013fcf18@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:32:14 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (e) In-Reply-To: <91ta9b+abt0@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20001221094641.013c4f28@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Kevan has taken another red pill for making a proposal. All the other pills were adjusted as requested. Sorry I missed the private email until later. I auto-sort the nomic stuff. Suggestion to players... not a requirement by any means, BUT, if you want your pills to be administered timely, place "[DocNomic]" in your subject line (as if it came from the mailing list) and it will be seen more quickly. I'll be expanding my DocNomic filters, but in the mean time try that. Also, there is nothing that states Kevan must take his pill IN the proposal he is requesting... I think we should probably change that wording. Kevan DID take his pill right after the proposal which complies with the rules. Nurse Ottis At 04:14 PM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: >> I shall administer one red pill, but I'm sorry, dear Kevan, I can >not give >> you less pills than you already own. > >Quite right. I'd quite forgotten my frenzy for the things. Pills. >Must have more pills. > >(What happened to the ones I requested ingestion of through private >email mere moments before, incidentally?) > >> There is nothing in the rules that state you can not try, but it >doesn't >> give consequences if you do try... So, I'll just ignore that little >incident. > >Thankyou, Nurse. > >> Kevan takes one red pill. > >Yum. I think I'll take another one. > >Kevan > >-- >http://uncertain.org/~kevan >"Cake is a bisturbile cranabolic amphetamoid." > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 08:41:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: Docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:41:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 6122 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 17:33:26 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221163518.NBAW382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:35:18 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221103254.01325e80@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:33:42 -0600 To: Docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Kevan is Kevan not Kevin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Sorry for the mis-typing earlier. People misspell my name all the time... I should have been more careful. From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 21 08:41:51 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:41:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 4401 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:33:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) (192.48.96.19) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:33:23 -0000 Received: from picard by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjuny01512 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:33:22 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001221083312.010d73f0@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:33:12 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (e) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221102027.01403128@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston At 10:22 AM 12/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Jeff requested one green pill and Kevan requested 3 to be administered. All >pill totals have been updated, and here are the results for the migrane >treatment: Whoops... I just sent a public message regarding this. Ah well. Since I wasn't cured, I guess I need to take another green pill anyways. Treat my public message as a seperate request. ;-) - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 08:47:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:47:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 71957 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:40:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.125] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:40:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:39:55 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Pills are good eatun Message-ID: <91tbor+oghv@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 995 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " I Propose a new rule: "Pills are good eatun". If this should instead be an amendment [[to rule 14]], please change this to an "Amendment" ---------------------- TEXT -------------------- In addition to any other effects that pills may have on players, they also affect Body and Health as follows: YELLOW Gain 2 soul, 2 body RED Gain 1 soul, 2 body BLUE Gain 1 soul, 1 body GREEN Gain 0 soul, 1 body PURPLE Gain 1 soul, -1 body Any time the a player takes a pill Doc, or his designatee (such as the Nurse) will updat the sould and body totals of the player. -------------------- TEXT ------------------------- Comments: I have made this deliberately arbitrary in order to make pill-popping more exciting. Currently players have no way of regaining soul or body (except for the Nurse and the E.). I had thought of making them all zero-sum pills (i.e +X soul, -X body), but that seemed a bit too extreme. This is just a little Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 08:50:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 16:50:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 80311 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 16:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 16:42:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cj.egroups.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 16:42:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.125] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 16:42:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:41:52 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: DING: Kevan doesn't ask for a pill. Re: Proposal: Glam Rock Shoulder Message-ID: <91tbsg+q52l@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91ta2i+k9b6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1200 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Proposal - Glam Rock Shoulder > > { http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_149894.html } > > Create a new Disease in the "Diseases" Rule:- > > Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) > During the first Office Hours of 2001, each Player has a 25% > chance of contracting Glam Rock Shoulder, in the wake of the > Hospital's New Year bash. This Disease causes its sufferer to > lose 4 Body Points during every subsequent Office Hours, and > can be operated on by Doc or the Nurse for 350 Cash. > > If no Players have Glam Rock Shoulder, and if the first Office > Hours of 2001 have passed, this Disease shall be removed from > the Ruleset. > > To "Diseases", add the paragraph:- > > Some Diseases are operable by certain staff, for a given cost. > A Player may request such an operation from a relevant staff > member, if he or she can afford the operation; upon such a > request being publicly acknowledged, the Player is cured of > the Disease and loses Cash equal to the cost. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Thu Dec 21 10:07:14 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 18:07:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 368 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 17:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 17:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.106) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 19:00:22 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjuod02257 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:59:16 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] DING: Kevan doesn't ask for a pill. Re: Proposal: Glam Rock Shoulder To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:59:13 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/21/2000 12:05:07 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Nope... That was a proposal message. According to rule 10, its only non-proposal messages where Kevan needs to ask for pills. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Thu Dec 21 10:17:50 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 18:17:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 36432 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 18:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 18:11:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.122) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 19:12:09 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjuoe02566 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:11:03 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Point of Order: Ignore Multiple Proposals in one Message To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:11:00 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/21/2000 12:16:55 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Doh! You are quite correct. In my haste to point out your naming mistakes, I made a naming mistake of my own. Ah well. If the Point of Order is ignored, I will issue another one with a correct name. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Kevan wrote: Irony time, though:- "Each Point of Order must have in its Subject line the text: "Point of Order:" followed by a label of the Proposal or Rule in reference or it shall be ignored." I don't think you've given the "label" of a Proposal or Rule, have you? But I suppose Doc can make Proclamations regardless, if he feels like it, so it doesn't really make that much difference. From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 21 10:25:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: foobarius@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 18:25:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 24609 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 18:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 18:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.193) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 19:23:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:22:39 -0800 Received: from 171.68.131.101 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:22:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [171.68.131.101] To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Test message... Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:22:39 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2000 18:22:39.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFF78E90:01C06B7A] X-eGroups-From: "Jeff Weston" From: "Jeff Weston" Just testing a feature of eGroups that may permit us to have the dice rolling service mail the results directly to the mailing list. Please stand by... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 21 10:30:00 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 18:30:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 6208 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 18:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 18:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 19:29:18 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id LAA30250; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:28:11 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:28:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012211828.LAA30250@www.irony.com> To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Dice roll test for Jeff Weston X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Dice roll test for Jeff Weston DocNomic@egroups.com requested that 7 rolls of 4 6-sided dice be rolled. The lowest die for each roll won't be counted. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: [1], 2, 1, 3 = 6. Roll 2: 6, 4, [2], 4 = 14. Roll 3: [3], 6, 4, 6 = 16. Roll 4: 5, 6, 5, [1] = 16. Roll 5: 4, [1], 1, 2 = 7. Roll 6: 5, 6, [1], 4 = 15. Roll 7: [4], 5, 6, 5 = 16. Mail was sent to you at DocNomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkJLt7yfeleUG9SNAQEWLwH/WZ0tjF5YpmWURDPxhILDumsLKChf2a10 0BC+llMiGwZKZcr6NLJqMIGBHTheaRSFXHOZCtL33wl3NOprqZBd3Q== =Gf3i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Thu Dec 21 10:38:02 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 18:38:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 24495 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 18:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 18:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net) (198.5.241.86) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 19:37:48 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by mr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjuog06518 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:36:25 GMT Subject: Automatic Dice Rolling To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:33:51 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/21/2000 12:42:34 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Okay... I've added the dice rolling system's email address to my list of eGroups alternate email addresses. The end result of this is that we can now roll the dice automatically and have the results directly emailed to the list. The PGP signature can be verified properly when this approach is used. The only bad thing about it is that all the messages appear to come from Hmm.... - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 21 11:37:33 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 19:37:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 18678 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 19:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 19:37:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 20:38:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.66] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2000 19:37:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:37:22 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Request to Nurse, take one green pill Message-ID: <91tm5i+4bn5@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <91ta5u+oodb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 129 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " I think this got missed, as requests after this got handled. I would like to take a green pill in order to cure a migrane. Feyd From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 13:18:53 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 21:18:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 24323 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 21:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 21:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 21:18:52 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221212154.OVNY382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:21:54 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221151836.01371950@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:20:17 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (f) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001221083312.010d73f0@mail198193.popserver.pop. net> References: <4.1.20001221102027.01403128@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Jeff requested another green pill, so administered. The results are of his random 50% cure which results in a 27 which is a cure. Please so note it Doc. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jeff wants to cure his migrane - 0-50 is a cure zracing1@hotmail.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 27. Mail was sent to you at zracing1@hotmail.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkJzSbyfeleUG9SNAQEBGQH/UwOQlj0wzdkdUu+jSEfRkZQVU909u+bf TfNfQ2LOKp4RPHDI2ZYTbHjsMUT6/LUWBoKRP10th5SFhGnMoL4o4Q== =mGSA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 13:24:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 21:24:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 29492 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 21:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 21:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 21:24:12 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221212714.OWIM382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:27:14 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221152422.0132cb80@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:25:38 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Automatic Dice Rolling In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Ottis Airhart Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you check the X-Sender: heading it states: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com Maybe we need a player to assume the role of a pharmacist such that they much CHECK the dice being rolled (the pgp key). Thanks for setting that up, Jeff. At 10:33 AM 12/21/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Okay... > > I've added the dice rolling system's email address to my list of >eGroups alternate email addresses. The end result of this is that we can >now roll the dice automatically and have the results directly emailed to >the list. The PGP signature can be verified properly when this approach is >used. The only bad thing about it is that all the messages appear to come >from Hmm.... > >- - - >Jeffrey J. Weston >jjweston@thoughtworks.com >PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc >- - - > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 13:26:46 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 21:26:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 28755 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221212945.OWTR382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:29:45 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221152637.013fda58@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:28:04 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Kevan...ya need pills, do ya? In-Reply-To: <91taom+c146@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Concerning this message, um, is it legal? I haven't had time to check the rules yet. If it is legal, please send a message to the Nurse asking em to move the pill (I know it was implied, but as the Nurse, I'd like to see a statement that says something like: "Nurse, please take care of this", just so I don't do something you didn't intend). At 04:22 PM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: >And you're the Psyche, eh? > >I herby give you 1 of my red pills and request that you counsel me >about my Agoraphobia. > > >Feyd > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 21 13:29:16 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 21:29:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 52439 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 21:28:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 21:28:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 22:29:39 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id OAA43126; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:28:33 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:28:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012212128.OAA43126@www.irony.com> To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd takes a green pill, 0-50 migrane is cured X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Feyd takes a green pill, 0-50 migrane is cured docnomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 86. Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkJ1/byfeleUG9SNAQF5RQIAhn+7ws3RaM/fhNWv3zH9W1NBNepAEk+p yjKTLVaZbSxb2TBLJWjsnAzf73q7pA8sYOJgXzt324fsN+4EB5yE8A== =+LeQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 13:30:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 21:30:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 56819 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 21:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 21:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 21:30:04 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221213306.OXHE382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:33:06 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221153015.01361510@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:31:30 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (g) In-Reply-To: <91tm5i+4bn5@eGroups.com> References: <91ta5u+oodb@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Feyd has been administered a green pill... but it was unsuccessful with an 86. He still has a migrane. At 07:37 PM 12/21/2000 +0000, you wrote: >I think this got missed, as requests after this got handled. >I would like to take a green pill in order to cure a migrane. > >Feyd > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 13:34:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 21:34:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 60228 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 21:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 21:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 22:35:10 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001221213707.OXXF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:37:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221153451.013f1ee0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:35:31 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Feyd takes a green pill, 0-50 migrane is cured In-Reply-To: <200012212128.OAA43126@www.irony.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I still couldn't verify the PGP signature. I'm going to assume that any heading with before-mentioned X-Sender is a valid dice roll. At 02:28 PM 12/21/2000 -0700, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >Feyd takes a green pill, 0-50 migrane is cured > >docnomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. >Roll them bones ... your dice are >Roll 1: 86. > >Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com. >(Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) > > > --- >Irony Games' public PGP key is available at >http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.3ia >Charset: noconv > >iQBVAwUBOkJ1/byfeleUG9SNAQF5RQIAhn+7ws3RaM/fhNWv3zH9W1NBNepAEk+p >yjKTLVaZbSxb2TBLJWjsnAzf73q7pA8sYOJgXzt324fsN+4EB5yE8A== >=+LeQ >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 21 14:32:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 22:32:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 88572 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 22:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 22:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 23:34:00 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00845BE6@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:32:55 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA27513; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:32:54 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point Of Order: Perks References: <4.1.20001221002335.0135db70@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:32:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:31:55 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu OK, no problem. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 21 14:49:58 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 22:49:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 33539 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 22:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 22:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 23:51:03 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00845CCD@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:49:58 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA29243; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:49:57 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Nurse's Report - 12/21/00 (b) References: <91t3og+il0b@eGroups.com> Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:49:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:23:12 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > I'm off work tomorrow and likely to find *some* quiet moments over > the weekend; if anyone, most critically Doc and Ottis, would like me > to bring the Player-data thing up to speed and propose the necessary > amendments to the Ruleset, nod your heads. Nod, nod. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 21 14:55:25 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 22:55:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 96676 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 23:56:30 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00845CF0@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:55:25 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA29717; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:55:24 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order: Proposals References: <4.1.20001221003649.01390248@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:55:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:41:12 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Rule 3 states: > == > Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. > A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one or > more new proposed Rules, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more > existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more existing Rules. > ... > Doc will judge each Pending Proposal and accept, reject or ignore it. To > ignore a Proposal, the condition by which it is ignored must be explicit > elsewhere in the ruleset. Once a Proposal has been judged, it ceases to be > Pending. > == > This means that if a single email (a Proposal) is sent, it can consist of > many proposed rules, amendments, and/or repeals. This also means that the > proposal, with possibly many proposed rules, etc., is to be judged IN > WHOLE... not, as it has previously been done, by judging each individual > addition or change within the email. There is nothing explicit in Rule 3 that says all the suggested rule-changes in a given email must be considered a single proposal. A single proposal may contain numerous rule-changes, but no statement in the rules says that a proposal is an email message. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 21 14:59:01 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 22:59:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 59778 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 22:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 22:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 00:00:06 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00845D14@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:59:01 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA29961; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:59:00 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order: Ignore Multiple Proposals in one Message References: <3.0.6.32.20001220232727.0168d248@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Date: 21 Dec 2000 17:58:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jeff Weston's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:27:27 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 40 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff Weston writes: > According to the naming scheme presented in rule 3, we have the following > sentence: "Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: > "Proposal:" followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored." > > Clearly, one message with multiple proposals in it cannot meet this naming > convention. Kevan submitted the following proposals that did not following > this naming convention and yet they were not ignored: "Nothing Chronic", > "Fear Itself", "Nasty Cough You've Got There", "Bloaty Head", "Death, > Insanity, Rebirth", and "In the Psychiatrist's Chair". > > I argue that all of these proposals should have been ignored according to > rule 3. Kevan's message had the form "Proposals: label / label / label...", which fails to follow the form required in Rule 3 only in that there is an extraneous "s" on "Proposal". Note that Rule 3 does not say the label must *immediately* follow the text "Proposal:" (indeed, it usually doesn't, since a space is usually inserted between the two), so e.g. for the "Bloaty" proposal Rule 3 is satisfied by having the word "Bloaty" somewhere after "Proposal:". Admittedly the label within the message body for that proposal was "Bloaty head" not "Bloaty". But Rule 3 does not preclude the possibility of using one label in the subject line and a different label elsewhere. I find, then, that Kevan's message deviated from the Rule 3 requirement only in one trivial respect. By a strict reading of the rules the extra "s" means those proposals should have been ignored, but I believe it best to overlook such trivial infractions. To be clear: I find that the rules allow submission of (and separate judgements of) multiple proposals in a single email, provided the subject line contains the text "Proposal:" and (later in the subject line) labels for each of the proposals. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 21 15:04:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 23:04:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 26297 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 23:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 23:04:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 23:04:04 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00845D4E@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:04:05 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA00405; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:04:03 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Kevan...ya need pills, do ya? References: <91taom+c146@eGroups.com> Date: 21 Dec 2000 18:04:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:22:46 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > And you're the Psyche, eh? > > I herby give you 1 of my red pills and request that you counsel me > about my Agoraphobia. I don't believe the rules permit you to give Kevan, or anyone else, one of your pills. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 21 15:14:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 23:14:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 51794 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 23:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 23:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Dec 2000 23:14:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00845DB6@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:14:43 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA01619; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:14:42 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Automatic Dice Rolling References: Date: 21 Dec 2000 18:14:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:33:51 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM writes: > Okay... > > I've added the dice rolling system's email address to my list of > eGroups alternate email addresses. The end result of this is that we can > now roll the dice automatically and have the results directly emailed to > the list. The PGP signature can be verified properly when this approach is > used. The only bad thing about it is that all the messages appear to come > from Hmm.... Does anyone object if I just use my own random number program (actually a Perl script that just calls rand appropriately) instead for my stuff? It's faster and more convenient for me; it means you have to trust me, but hey, if I wanted to throw the game I have lots of other ways to do that! But if you feel it's important I use the dice server instead, I can do that. It'll just slow me down... -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 21 15:59:30 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 21 Dec 2000 23:59:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 73112 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2000 23:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Dec 2000 23:59:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 01:00:32 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001222000229.PUFB382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:02:29 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001221180013.05ecc528@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:00:53 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Automatic Dice Rolling In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Go right ahead. I just think that the players of the game should use the dice server when a random number is necessary to affirm fair play. At 06:14 PM 12/21/2000 -0500, you wrote: >JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM writes: > >> Okay... >> >> I've added the dice rolling system's email address to my list of >> eGroups alternate email addresses. The end result of this is that we can >> now roll the dice automatically and have the results directly emailed to >> the list. The PGP signature can be verified properly when this approach is >> used. The only bad thing about it is that all the messages appear to come >> from Hmm.... > >Does anyone object if I just use my own random number program >(actually a Perl script that just calls rand appropriately) instead >for my stuff? It's faster and more convenient for me; it means you >have to trust me, but hey, if I wanted to throw the game I have lots >of other ways to do that! > >But if you feel it's important I use the dice server instead, I can do >that. It'll just slow me down... > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM Thu Dec 21 17:07:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 01:07:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 52363 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 01:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 01:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net) (199.171.54.106) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 01:07:09 -0000 Received: from mother.thoughtworks.com by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mother.thoughtworks.com [204.178.39.204]) id QQjupg23684 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:07:08 GMT Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Feyd takes a green pill, 0-50 migrane is cured To: DocNomic@egroups.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:07:04 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mother/ThoughtWorks.COM/US(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 12/21/2000 07:13:00 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM I got a good signature off of the mailing. The key is still listed as "invalid". I'm not sure what's up with that... - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@thoughtworks.com PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/pgp-key.asc - - - Ottis wrote: I still couldn't verify the PGP signature. I'm going to assume that any heading with before-mentioned X-Sender is a valid dice roll. From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 22 00:59:15 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 08:59:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 4613 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 08:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 08:59:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 10:00:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.111] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2000 08:59:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:59:04 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Nurse's Report 12/21/00 (e) Message-ID: <91v54o+upv4@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001221102909.013fcf18@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 698 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.49.246.118 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Also, there is nothing that states Kevan must take his pill IN the proposal > he is requesting... I think we should probably change that wording. Kevan > DID take his pill right after the proposal which complies with the rules. Mm, I actually took one before, and another one after to set me up for another Proposal. Taking a Pill "in" the Proposal seemed impossible, since I'd have to wait for the Nurse to acknowledge it before it was actually "taken". That automated thingy seems more and more useful. (And I really want some more Pills.) Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Oh say I'm not the only one to fill with trepidation, walking across the forecourt of the fire station." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 22 01:20:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 09:20:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 48671 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 09:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 09:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.46) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 09:20:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.109] by fj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2000 09:20:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:20:47 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Automatic Dice Rolling Message-ID: <91v6df+aaum@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 778 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.49.246.118 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Does anyone object if I just use my own random number program > (actually a Perl script that just calls rand appropriately) instead > for my stuff? It's faster and more convenient for me; it means you > have to trust me, but hey, if I wanted to throw the game I have lots > of other ways to do that! No objection at all. I kind of assumed you'd be doing such a thing anyway; public dice rolls seem rather irrelevant for someone who's not directly playing the game, and who has the power to make Proclamations of anything at any time. All power to you. > But if you feel it's important I use the dice server instead, I can do > that. It'll just slow me down... Quite. (Must... have... pills...) K. -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm the last roll in the the die." From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Dec 22 08:53:47 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 16:53:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 99480 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 16:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 16:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 17:54:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBMHn8J27848 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:49:11 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:49:08 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Heading out of town for a few weeks... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Greetings everyone! Today I leave on vacation for a couple of weeks. I will still have spotty internet access and will continue to play the game. For email that must be directly sent to me, please use this address: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com I will not have access to my other email addresses during the next couple of weeks. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:41:20 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:41:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 60835 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 20:42:19 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00848F86@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:40:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27256; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:40:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Proposal Framework References: <91raat+4ih4@eGroups.com> Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:40:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:03:09 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 52 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > I propose the following rule: "Proposal Framework" > ----TEXT--------------- > There may be only one proposal per message. If more then one > proposal is made in a message, all proposals in the message are > ignored. > > If the proposal is for a new rule, the subject line must include the > text, "Proposal:" followed by the text name of the new rule. > > If the proposal is an amendment, the subject line must include the > text "Proposal: Amendment to" follwed by the title of the rule to be > amended. > > If these guidelines are not followed then the proposal is ignored. > Minor variation in spacing and spelling will be accepted as long as > the general format is followed. > > -----/TEXT------------- ACCEPTED. 1 yellow pill (dispensed). Fear of Rejection cured. I came close to rejecting it because: - As noted, it's incomplete. It doesn't provide subject line formats for repeals, or for proposals that create, amend, and/or repeal more than one rule. (Given that the rules allow the latter, I think it makes considerably more sense to have proposal names be independent from rule names.) As of now, proposals to create or amend one rule now have subject line formatting requirements, but all other proposals do not. - This really should be an amendment to Rule 3, not a new Rule. Since Rule 21 is hereby created we have Agoraphobia check: Britta, Feyd, Mark, and Jim lose 5 SPs Jeff, Jon, Kevan, and Ottis have 21% chance of getting Agoraphobia: 4 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.4993896484375 0.881591796875 0.88116455078125 0.709197998046875 None of them do! Lucky. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:42:36 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:42:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 23003 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 19:42:35 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00848FC1@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:42:34 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27434; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:42:34 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Therapy Session References: Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:42:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:09:19 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM writes: > Enact a new rule called Therapy Session: > > During office hours, Doc will hold up to five (5) therapy sessions to > help restore sanity to those that request it. Players may request a therapy > session by sending such a request to the mailing list. Doc will schedule > therapy sessions on a first requested / first served basis. During a > therapy session, Doc will add five (5) soul points to the player, but will > not be able to increase their soul points above one hundred (100). The > player will pay Doc fifty (50) cash for the session. Players may attempt to > schedule as many therapy sessions as they want for a particular office > hours. ACCEPTED. Hmm, seems like Therapy is more in the Psychiatrist's line, but,hey, psychiatrists. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:44:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:44:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 69149 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:44:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 19:44:58 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00848FE3@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:44:58 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27784; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:44:57 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Therapy Session References: Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:44:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:09:19 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Oh, yeah. Agoraphobia check. Britta, Feyd, Jim, Mark lose 5 SPs. Jeff, Jon, Kevan, Ottis have 22% chance of getting Agoraphobia: 4 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.01678466796875 0.4376220703125 0.33245849609375 0.79022216796875 Jeff gets it. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:46:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:46:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 65325 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 19:46:34 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00849007@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:46:34 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA28050; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:46:33 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Therapy Session References: Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:46:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:09:19 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu ... and Jeff's FoR is cured. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:47:26 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:47:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 34773 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 19:47:26 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0084900B@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:47:25 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA28148; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:47:25 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Fear of Judgement, not Fear of Proposing References: Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:47:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:45:12 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM writes: > Amend rule 10 by striking this phrase from Fear of Rejection, "submits > a Proposal" and replacing it with, "has one of their proposals judged". ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:49:38 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:49:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 82727 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 19:49:37 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00849025@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:49:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA28531; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:49:36 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Better Perks for the Masses References: Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:49:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:16:11 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu JJWeston@ThoughtWorks.COM writes: > Amend rule 12 to read in full: > > Whenever a proposal passes, Doc gives the proposer one (1) pill of any > color. If, in the opinion of Doc, the proposal makes the game more > interesting, Doc gives the proposer one (1) additional pill of any color. > If, in the opinion of Doc, the proposal is the most creative proposal > passed to date, Doc gives the proposer three (3) additional pills of any > color. APPROVED. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 11:58:40 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 19:58:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 3767 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 19:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 19:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 20:59:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008490A7@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:58:38 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29705; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:58:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Blood Test References: <4.1.20001220215215.013d9f08@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:58:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:23:39 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 42 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > (I have no fear of rejection) It says here you do. Am I wrong? 5 SPs lost. > I propose the following: > Blood Test > A blood test may be performed on a player at the request of that player or > any officer. The blood test costs 1 body point and 5 cash points if > requested by the player and is free when requested by an officer. The blood > test shall check for any communicable. The disease shall be randomly chosen > from diseases not already inflicting the player. The chance of the > discovery of a new infection is X percent where X is equal to 100 minus > the dividend of the player's body points divided by 2 ( 100 - ( B.P. / 2 > )). There must be two office hours events between each blood test for a > particular player. The nurse performs all blood tests by request in an > email sent to the mailing list with a subject: "Blood Test:" followed by > the player's name. I assume it will not change the intended meaning to insert the word "disease" at the end of the 3rd sentence, and to add the words "at least" before "two" in the second to last sentences. And I assume this is proposed new rule. APPROVED. 1 green, 1 blue. Agoraphobia check: Britta, Feyd, Jeff, Jim, Mark lose 5 SPs. Jon, Kevan, Ottis have 23% chance of getting Agoraphobia: 3 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.5023193359375 0.279327392578125 0.252685546875 No one gets it. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 12:04:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 20:04:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 19330 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 20:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 20:04:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 20:04:28 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008490C8@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:04:27 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA00446; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:04:27 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Rule 3 References: <4.1.20001221002229.013a7ee0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 22 Dec 2000 15:04:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:42:45 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: (5 more SPs lost). > I recommend the following amendment to Rule 3: > > Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. > A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one new > proposed Rule, and/or a proposed amendment to one or more (if related) > existing Rules, and/or a proposed repeal of one or more (if related) > existing Rules. All new rules, amendments, and/or repeals contained within > a single Proposal email sent to the mailing shall be judged in whole. REJECTED. All this does is to prohibit a Proposal from proposing more than one new rule, or from amending or repealing more than one unrelated rule. But "related" is a subjective concept, and it's probably not hard to argue any two rules are somehow related. So the only real effect is to prohibit proposal of multiple rules (even related ones), and the benefit of that has not been persuasively argued. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 12:07:26 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 20:07:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 25424 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 20:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 20:07:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 20:07:25 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008490EB@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:07:25 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA00734; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:07:24 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Glam Rock Shoulder References: <91ta2i+k9b6@eGroups.com> Date: 22 Dec 2000 15:07:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:10:58 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - Glam Rock Shoulder > > { http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_149894.html } > > Create a new Disease in the "Diseases" Rule:- > > Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) > During the first Office Hours of 2001, each Player has a 25% > chance of contracting Glam Rock Shoulder, in the wake of the > Hospital's New Year bash. This Disease causes its sufferer to > lose 4 Body Points during every subsequent Office Hours, and > can be operated on by Doc or the Nurse for 350 Cash. > > If no Players have Glam Rock Shoulder, and if the first Office > Hours of 2001 have passed, this Disease shall be removed from > the Ruleset. > > To "Diseases", add the paragraph:- > > Some Diseases are operable by certain staff, for a given cost. > A Player may request such an operation from a relevant staff > member, if he or she can afford the operation; upon such a > request being publicly acknowledged, the Player is cured of > the Disease and loses Cash equal to the cost. > APPROVED. 1 green, 1 blue, 3 red. A true Addict's proposal! -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 12:35:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 20:35:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 4439 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 20:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 20:35:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 20:35:56 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00849237@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:35:56 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03280; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:35:55 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Rule 10 References: <91tajh+hl6h@eGroups.com> Date: 22 Dec 2000 15:35:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:20:01 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > In light of deseases taking affect in rather nasty ways, I offer the > following amendments to rule 10. > > Amendment1: Change the definition of Migrane to Read: > > Migraine (Non-Contagious) > During Office Hours:- > All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and x/10 Soul Points. > All other Players each have an 'x/10' per cent chance of contracting > a Migraine. > ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since the > end of the previous Office Hours. Each Green Pill a Player takes has > a 50% chance of curing them of this Disease. > > Amendment2: Add the following to the last paragraph defining > Addiciton (note that [[]] below denote comment and are not part of > the amendment). > > [[Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this > failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which > point the deduction will be queued as an action for the next Office > Hours.]] The first player per message thus helping the Addict fight > his addiction is doing a good deed, and thus gains a soul point. > Subsequent players are just nagging and get nothing. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 12:42:35 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 20:42:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 18221 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 20:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 20:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 20:42:34 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00849271@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:42:34 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03793; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:42:33 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Pills are good eatun References: <91tbor+oghv@eGroups.com> Date: 22 Dec 2000 15:42:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:39:55 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > I Propose a new rule: "Pills are good eatun". If this should > instead be an amendment [[to rule 14]], please change this to > an "Amendment" > ---------------------- TEXT -------------------- > In addition to any other effects that pills may have on players, they > also affect Body and Health as follows: > > YELLOW Gain 2 soul, 2 body > RED Gain 1 soul, 2 body > BLUE Gain 1 soul, 1 body > GREEN Gain 0 soul, 1 body > PURPLE Gain 1 soul, -1 body > > Any time the a player takes a pill Doc, or his designatee (such as > the Nurse) will updat the sould and body totals of the player. > -------------------- TEXT ------------------------- ACCEPTED (as an amendment to Rule 14). 1 green, 1 blue. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 12:45:09 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 20:45:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 86001 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 20:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 20:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 21:46:14 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0084927F@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:45:09 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA04052; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:45:07 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Pills are good eatun References: <91tbor+oghv@eGroups.com> Date: 22 Dec 2000 15:45:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:39:55 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > In addition to any other effects that pills may have on players, they > also affect Body and Health as follows: > > YELLOW Gain 2 soul, 2 body > RED Gain 1 soul, 2 body > BLUE Gain 1 soul, 1 body > GREEN Gain 0 soul, 1 body > PURPLE Gain 1 soul, -1 body > > Any time the a player takes a pill Doc, or his designatee (such as > the Nurse) will updat the sould and body totals of the player. This amendment, by the way, makes Kevan's cgi *really* desireable! -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 22 12:48:03 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 20:48:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 32440 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 20:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 20:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 20:48:03 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008492A1@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:48:03 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA04217; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:48:01 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Rule 3 References: <4.1.20001221002229.013a7ee0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 22 Dec 2000 15:48:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu's message of "22 Dec 2000 15:04:26 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu ... and Ottis has FoR again. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 22 14:38:22 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 22 Dec 2000 22:38:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 4699 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 22:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2000 22:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 22:38:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.129] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2000 22:38:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:38:19 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Kevan...ya need pills, do ya? Message-ID: <920l4r+115mr@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 465 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 204.116.99.173 From: "Feyd " Do the rules forbid it? If not, then I believe I have the right to do so. As precedent, you allowed me to give 50 Cash to Otis, and the rules do not explicitly allow that. Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Feyd " writes: > > And you're the Psyche, eh? > > I herby give you 1 of my red pills and request that you counsel > I don't believe the rules permit you to give Kevan, or anyone else, > one of your pills. > - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Sat Dec 23 08:32:32 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 23 Dec 2000 16:32:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 41786 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2000 16:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2000 16:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Dec 2000 16:32:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.134] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2000 16:32:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:32:29 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Pills are good eatun Message-ID: <922k2t+r198@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1955 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.130.230 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > In addition to any other effects that pills may have on players, they > > also affect Body and Health as follows: > > > > YELLOW Gain 2 soul, 2 body > > RED Gain 1 soul, 2 body > > BLUE Gain 1 soul, 1 body > > GREEN Gain 0 soul, 1 body > > PURPLE Gain 1 soul, -1 body > > > > Any time the a player takes a pill Doc, or his designatee (such as > > the Nurse) will updat the sould and body totals of the player. > > This amendment, by the way, makes Kevan's cgi *really* desireable! Indeed, dead easy to update Body and Soul automatically. I've just spent an hour or so refining the Player Detail script, anyway; it now permits alteration to Body, Soul and Cash, and has a rather more friendly interface to the rest of it. I still need to add passwording and time/IP logging, as well as the automatic Soul/Body adjustment given above (which will need tighter validation to stop people taking Pills they don't have), and maybe an easy way to undo erroneous alterations, but I think it's pretty much there. I've adjusted my own data to match the current gamestate, anyway, and it seems quite happy with it - feel free to wander along and add those of yourself, or anyone else:- http://uncertain.org/~kevan/cgi-bin/docnomic.cgi (I *will* add a simple cookie option to save people having to continually restate their identity - until then, it's probably useful to know that, after clicking "Administer", you can click the "Back" button in your browser to return to the form as it was, and enter the next bit of data without having to change names or targets.) Shout if anything doesn't work, or if I've missed anything obvious, or if you've got any ideas for other features, anyway. I expect I'll start formulating Proposal to make it the *official* record of Player details, later in the week. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "He's making a list, he's checking it twice." From mr_jim83@hotmail.com Sat Dec 23 09:10:08 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: mr_jim83@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 23 Dec 2000 17:10:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 35408 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2000 17:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2000 17:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ef.egroups.com) (10.1.2.111) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Dec 2000 17:10:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mr_jim83@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.10.114] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2000 17:10:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 17:10:02 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Some bad news Message-ID: <922m9a+985o@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 270 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 204.212.220.168 From: "Jim Ingram" Unfortunatly, I am unable to participate in this game any longer. Real-Life has reared its ugly head in the form of school and other commitments, so I won't be online very often any more. In short, I'm way too busy. I'm sorry for any problems this might cause. -Jim From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Dec 23 11:49:42 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 23 Dec 2000 19:49:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 64084 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2000 19:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2000 19:49:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Dec 2000 20:50:47 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0084B46B@mailer.syr.edu>; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:49:41 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA21639; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:49:41 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Kevan...ya need pills, do ya? References: <920l4r+115mr@eGroups.com> Date: 23 Dec 2000 14:49:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:38:19 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Do the rules forbid it? If not, then I believe I have the right to > do so. As precedent, you allowed me to give 50 Cash to Otis, and the > rules do not explicitly allow that. Actually I didn't allow you to give 50 cash to Otis. I was going to, but I was waiting to hear from Otis whether he'd accept when Kevan pointed out that the rules do not permit changing the gamestate except as provided for in the rules, and the cash holdings of each player is part of the gamestate. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Dec 23 11:52:02 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 23 Dec 2000 19:52:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 68774 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2000 19:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2000 19:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Dec 2000 19:52:01 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0084B470@mailer.syr.edu>; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:52:01 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA21696; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:52:00 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Some bad news References: <922m9a+985o@eGroups.com> Date: 23 Dec 2000 14:52:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jim Ingram"'s message of "Sat, 23 Dec 2000 17:10:02 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jim Ingram" writes: > Unfortunatly, I am unable to participate in this game any longer. > Real-Life has reared its ugly head in the form of school and other > commitments, so I won't be online very often any more. In short, I'm > way too busy. I'm sorry for any problems this might cause. Sorry to hear it. Sorry also to observe that the rules do not provide for removing a player from the roster! Since the roster is part of the gamestate it can't be modified except as provided by the rules. So... looks like Jim remains a player, inactive though he may be. Hmm, wonder how long it'll take him to DIE? ;-) Anyway, Jim, if you're still out there, good luck with real life... -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Sat Dec 23 20:46:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 24 Dec 2000 04:46:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 99736 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2000 04:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2000 04:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Dec 2000 04:46:55 -0000 Received: from auriga-3-nt ([208.170.73.205]) by smtp1a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001224044941.KSTZ7586.smtp1a@auriga-3-nt> for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 20:49:41 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001223222653.00b36250@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:37:50 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Players amendmendment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose the following amendment to rule #2: Add the following text: A player may at any time remove themselves from the game by stating their intent to do so by sending an email to the mailing list. Their name and all status information shall be removed from the gamestate and any rules where it might be listed. Their Soul Points, Body Points, and Cash Points shall be distributed evenly to all Players (remainders shall be thrown away). All pills shall be immediately transferred to the Player who has the Addiction disease. If no Player has this disease, then they shall be handed out by the Nurse to whomever e wishes. No player may rejoin the game within 3 weeks of voluntary removal. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sun Dec 24 00:09:22 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 24 Dec 2000 08:09:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 76756 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2000 08:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Dec 2000 08:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Dec 2000 08:09:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBO94MG28865 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:04:22 -0800 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:04:21 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order: Jeff's Fear of Rejection Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I should have lost 15 soul points for making 3 proposals while I had fear of rejection. At the time, FoR made you lose points for making proposals, not having them judged. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sun Dec 24 00:13:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 24 Dec 2000 08:13:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 88531 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2000 08:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2000 08:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Dec 2000 09:14:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBO98SE28873 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:08:28 -0800 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:08:28 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Request for therapy. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Hey Doc, I'd like to schedule a therapy session for your next office hours please. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sun Dec 24 00:15:28 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 24 Dec 2000 08:15:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 85062 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2000 08:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Dec 2000 08:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Dec 2000 08:15:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBO9ASW28883 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:10:29 -0800 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:10:28 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Request for treatment. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Hey Mr. Psychiatrist, Could I scheduled a session to work on my Agoraphobia? From oairhart@ispchannel.com Sun Dec 24 23:17:15 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 25 Dec 2000 07:17:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 22506 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2000 07:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2000 07:17:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Dec 2000 07:17:14 -0000 Received: from auriga-3-nt ([208.166.203.213]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001225072018.GJYQ382.smtp2a@auriga-3-nt> for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 23:20:18 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001225011316.00af69a0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:14:13 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Therapy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Hey Doc, Your Nurse requests a Therapy session with you next Office Hours. Thanks! From oairhart@ispchannel.com Sun Dec 24 23:46:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 25 Dec 2000 07:46:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 34499 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2000 07:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2000 07:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Dec 2000 07:46:56 -0000 Received: from auriga-3-nt ([208.170.73.170]) by smtp1a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001225074919.PAIK7586.smtp1a@auriga-3-nt> for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 23:49:19 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001225012740.00ac4100@pop3.ispchannel.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20001225012740.00ac4100@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:28:31 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: 12/25/00 (a) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart The Nurse has taken one purple pill curing him of Fear Of Rejection (FoR). From oairhart@ispchannel.com Sun Dec 24 23:57:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 25 Dec 2000 07:57:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 82312 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2000 07:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Dec 2000 07:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Dec 2000 08:58:26 -0000 Received: from auriga-3-nt ([208.170.73.170]) by smtp1a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001225080007.PAUZ7586.smtp1a@auriga-3-nt> for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 00:00:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001225015137.00ac2680@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:54:11 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: egroups website Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Currently, the egroups website is temporarily down. No email, no website. It sounds like the hardline has been pulled. This email should get through eventually as long as it comes online within 24 hours. I tell you this only because I attempted to decrement 1 purple pill for Ottis and was unable to. This shall be modified the next available opportunity. (I didn't want anyone to think I was cheating). Nurse Ottis From oairhart@ispchannel.com Mon Dec 25 11:09:18 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 25 Dec 2000 19:09:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 26333 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2000 19:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2000 19:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Dec 2000 20:10:21 -0000 Received: from auriga-3-nt ([208.166.203.251]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001225191220.HVEZ382.smtp2a@auriga-3-nt> for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 11:12:20 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001225130549.00ac6230@pop3.ispchannel.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20001225130549.00ac6230@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:05:49 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Blood Bank Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Now that the Blood Test proposal has passed: I propose a new rule labeled Blood Bank: The Blood Bank stores blood collected from the players to be used for medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and to increase one's health. The Blood Bank is part of the gamestate and shall have it's status stored in a database at . The Blood Bank is maintained by the Nurse. All players are required to donate blood to the blood bank at least once per four Office Hours. Failure to do so shall result in the decrement of 10 body points during Office Hours if that player has not donated blood within the last four Office Hours. The players last date of donation shall be part of the gamestate. A player must have had a Blood Test within 7 days prior to donation resulting in no new infection by that player. Only one pint of blood may be donated for each Blood Test. A player may not have any communicable disease at the time of blood donation. As compensation for donation, a player shall gain 100 cash points, gain 5 Soul points, and lose 3 Body points. If a player needs blood or wishes to buy blood, they may do so by notifying the Nurse concerning how many pints they wish to buy. The purchase shall decrement the player's cash points by 200, and increase their body points by 5. This is in addition to any other costs that may be required for medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and must be arranged before any medical procedure requiring blood takes place. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 26 11:32:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 26 Dec 2000 19:32:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 8347 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2000 19:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2000 19:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Dec 2000 19:32:42 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008517A1@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:32:39 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA22019; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:32:39 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order: Jeff's Fear of Rejection References: Date: 26 Dec 2000 14:32:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:04:21 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > I should have lost 15 soul points for making 3 proposals while I > had fear of rejection. At the time, FoR made you lose points for making > proposals, not having them judged. OK, thanks. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Dec 26 18:18:24 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 27 Dec 2000 02:18:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 1285 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2000 02:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2000 02:18:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2000 03:19:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00851F8F@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:18:23 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA21976; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:18:22 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Pills are good eatun References: <922k2t+r198@eGroups.com> Date: 26 Dec 2000 21:18:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:32:29 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu How does the password thing work? Small feature request: could you display the total number of pills of all colors? -- - Doc From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Wed Dec 27 06:33:26 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 27 Dec 2000 14:33:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 23184 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2000 14:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2000 14:33:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2000 15:34:30 -0000 Received: from Wintermute.surf2000.de (line93.surf2000.de [193.41.36.93]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBREXOe20880 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:33:24 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=Wintermute) by Wintermute.surf2000.de with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14BHfA-0000Gx-00 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:34:44 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Back from Holidays X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 27 Dec 2000 15:34:29 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch Hi! I'm back from my holidays! Thanx for giving me agoraphobia and a migraine... I thought such a relaxing holiday would make me less predisposed for a migraine... Oh, btw, Nurse, could I please take a green pill to try and cure that stupid migraine? And, dear psychologist, could I have a counseling session to try and get rid of my agoraphobia? Thanx! Greetz, Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From jjweston@pop.net Wed Dec 27 08:29:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 27 Dec 2000 16:29:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 13092 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2000 16:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2000 16:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2000 16:29:07 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id JAA60832; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:28:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:28:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012271628.JAA60832@www.irony.com> To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Britta takes a green pill for her migrane, 0-50 cures. X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Britta takes a green pill for her migrane, 0-50 cures. docnomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 37. Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkoYxLyfeleUG9SNAQFSUAIAnCwFxcS5UC1IaCpzyhguqbF2Zs+J9AjI coJ/hQUzCvcmTapJqhlD7cLolECFV+lT9AbO1544/n4yEHkk/BPysw== =WTt4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 27 08:30:48 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 27 Dec 2000 16:30:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 45533 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2000 16:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2000 16:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2000 17:31:53 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001227163353.QHVQ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 08:33:53 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001227103205.012c8de8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:32:51 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report 12/27/00 (a) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Britta takes a green pill for her migrane and is cured with a 37. Gamestate updated. At 03:34 PM 12/27/2000 +0100, you wrote: >Hi! > >I'm back from my holidays! Thanx for giving me agoraphobia and a >migraine... I thought such a relaxing holiday would make me less >predisposed for a migraine... > >Oh, btw, Nurse, could I please take a green pill to try and cure that >stupid migraine? > >And, dear psychologist, could I have a counseling session to try and >get rid of my agoraphobia? > >Thanx! > >Greetz, > >Britta > >-- > /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org > X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail > / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 27 08:39:07 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 27 Dec 2000 16:39:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 67392 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2000 16:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2000 16:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2000 16:39:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.121] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2000 16:39:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:38:56 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Pills are good eatun Message-ID: <92d5v0+u5iq@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 519 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.133.55 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > How does the password thing work? It doesn't, yet. When it's written and enabled it'll just ignore requests which don't include the correct password for the player you're claiming to be; this means we can be fairly sure who's actually updating what, and it prevents passers-by fiddling with things for their own perverse amusement. > Small feature request: could you display the total number of pills of > all colors? Mm, no problem. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "La la la la la, interesting drug." From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 27 10:03:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 27 Dec 2000 18:03:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 8427 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2000 18:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Dec 2000 18:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mu.egroups.com) (10.1.1.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2000 18:03:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.110] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2000 18:03:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:03:28 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Repeal "Proposal Framework" Message-ID: <92datg+c1i1@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 580 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.49.240.107 From: kevan@somethingorother.com Hmm, repeal Rule 21 ("Proposal Framework"), since restricting Proposals to one per email is - as has been said - an irksome thing, and I think we can be relied upon to give Proposal emails significant subjects lines without being legally obliged to specify which Rule we're amending. (Which means huge subject lines for multiple alterations, let alone "reword something throughout the ruleset" ones.) And burying Proposal-ignoring clauses at the bottom of the ruleset seems rather unfair anyway. Repeal, I say. -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Cartoon dogs laugh at me." From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Dec 27 10:15:02 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 27 Dec 2000 18:15:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 92558 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2000 18:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2000 18:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2000 18:15:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.43] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2000 18:15:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:14:55 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Automated Patient Data Message-ID: <92dbiv+c8m7@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 736 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.49.240.107 From: kevan@somethingorother.com Right, well, it seems to be working alright, now:- http://uncertain.org/~kevan/cgi-bin/docnomic.cgi For the time being, everyone can use "test" as a password; hover your mouse pointer over the date/user bit of the log to see the IP address of the submitter (or view source if your browser isn't happy with such things), hover over the pill counts to see a total. I *think* that's everything. If we could all start using it a bit, I'll Propose an official implementation later in the week. Best just run it parallel for a while to see if anything explodes or falls off, really. Shout if you can think of any more useful bells or whistles. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "A plastic bag, stranded at the lights." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 27 15:20:42 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 27 Dec 2000 23:20:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 47346 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2000 23:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2000 23:20:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 00:21:47 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001227232346.STUH382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:23:46 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001227165916.01a31ea0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:22:45 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Pharmacy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart In light of the possible need by certain players to gain more pills than they currently have, I propose the following rule: Pharmacy The pharmacy sells pharmaceutical items to players for a cash points fee. A player may request the purchase of pharmaceuticals items by sending an email to the Pharmacist through the mailing list with a subject line starting with "Pharmacy:". The Pharmacist shall adjust the gamestate to reflect the purchase request. Requests by a player infected with the "Addict" disease shall be ignored. The Pharmacist is an officer appointed by Doc and may be replaced upon public request. The Pharmacist must be replaced if they ever contract the "Addict" disease. As compensation for their duties, and to keep them sober, they shall be given 3 yellow pills, 3 purple pills, and 5 soul points during each Office Hours. The following pharmaceuticals items may be sold by the pharmacy for the given price: 1 yellow pill - 40 cash points 1 purple pill - 35 cash points 1 red pill - 30 cash points 1 blue pill - 25 cash points 1 green pill - 20 cash points 1 "Getting over your addiction" pamphlet - 0 cash points 1 "101 ways to avoid infection" pamphlet - 0 cash points =======END OF PROPOSAL========= Doctroid, I'd recommend the Nurse to hold the initial Pharmacist position. Players, If you'd like to volunteer for this position, I, the Nurse, will gladly request that I be replaced so that more players can hold officer positions. I just wanted this to be functional ASAP until another suitable player is found for the position. Nurse Ottis From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Dec 27 15:33:19 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 27 Dec 2000 23:33:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 95036 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2000 23:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2000 23:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2000 23:33:19 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001227233623.SVSH382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:36:23 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001227172309.01286f08@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:35:22 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Denial disease Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose the following addition to the disease list: Denial (psychosis) A player infected by this disease shall be considered as "In Denial". If a player ever fails to attempt a voluntary cure for a contracted disease between 2 office hours events, or if a player fails to follow the directions for playing the round while infected by a disease, that player shall automatically be infected with the Denial disease. While infected with this disease, the player shall state in every message sent to the mailing list that they do not have the diseases, listed individually, with which they are infected. Failure to do so shall cause them to lose 3 soul points plus 1 soul point for each disease they have. No disease may be cured for this player while "In Denial". From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 28 07:58:38 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 28 Dec 2000 15:58:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 39925 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 15:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Dec 2000 15:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 15:58:37 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001228160142.WWCY382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:01:42 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001228100029.00a7f218@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:00:38 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: 12/28/00 (a) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Kevan has taken 9 green pills increasing his body count by 9. A true addict. At 06:05 PM 12/27/2000 +0000, you wrote: >Nine Greens, please. > >-- >http://uncertain.org/~kevan >"Well, it happens a lot round here." From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Thu Dec 28 09:13:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 28 Dec 2000 17:13:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 30111 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 17:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2000 17:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 18:15:01 -0000 Received: from Wintermute.surf2000.de (line224.surf2000.de [193.41.36.224]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBSHDre08163 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:13:54 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=Wintermute) by Wintermute.surf2000.de with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14Bge7-0000AS-00 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:15:19 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Automated Patient Data X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 28 Dec 2000 18:15:03 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch In-Reply-To: <92dbiv+c8m7@eGroups.com> References: <92dbiv+c8m7@eGroups.com> Message-Id: From: Britta Koch On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:14:55 -0000, kevan@somethingorother.com said: > Right, well, it seems to be working alright, now:- > > http://uncertain.org/~kevan/cgi-bin/docnomic.cgi > > For the time being, everyone can use "test" as a password; hover your > mouse pointer over the date/user bit of the log to see the IP address > of the submitter (or view source if your browser isn't happy with > such things), hover over the pill counts to see a total. It sure looks nice, and now I told mozilla not to remember the password, it doesn't even ask me to choose a new one every time! But I can't seem to get rid of the pill I spent for curing my migraine... so is this an addict's joke, or what ;)! Nice work, anyways, though I prefer php for the quick'n'dirty stuff... Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 28 11:43:44 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 28 Dec 2000 19:43:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 96599 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 19:43:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2000 19:43:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 20:44:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.106] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2000 19:43:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:43:33 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Automated Patient Data Message-ID: <92g555+jsbd@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 908 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.143.181 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > It sure looks nice, and now I told mozilla not to remember the > password, it doesn't even ask me to choose a new one every time! Mm, I'll put some cookie nonsense in eventually, so that it'll even remember who you are. > But I can't seem to get rid of the pill I spent for curing my > migraine... so is this an addict's joke, or what ;)! Tsk, some careless inconsistency in my code. Now fixed. Although you really should have "taken" the Pill rather than "lost" it; you get bonus Body Points for eating your Greens. (Something that I think the Nurse overlooked for Britta?) I've fixed that as well, anyway, demonstrating the "any player can update anything, but it gets logged" thing. > Nice work, anyways, though I prefer php for the quick'n'dirty stuff... Oh, the DocNomic script is alarmingly swift and filthy, really. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Everyone lies, nobody minds." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 28 11:46:52 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 28 Dec 2000 19:46:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 4670 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 19:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2000 19:46:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 20:47:57 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001228194958.YAMY382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:49:58 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001228134804.00a998a8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:48:52 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Automated Patient Data In-Reply-To: <92g555+jsbd@eGroups.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart yeah yeah, I thought about that last night (the pill bonus, etc.). I was going to fix it later, but I guess I will now. Britta also gained 1 body point. At 07:43 PM 12/28/2000 +0000, you wrote: >> It sure looks nice, and now I told mozilla not to remember the >> password, it doesn't even ask me to choose a new one every time! > >Mm, I'll put some cookie nonsense in eventually, so that it'll even >remember who you are. > >> But I can't seem to get rid of the pill I spent for curing my >> migraine... so is this an addict's joke, or what ;)! > >Tsk, some careless inconsistency in my code. Now fixed. Although you >really should have "taken" the Pill rather than "lost" it; you get >bonus Body Points for eating your Greens. (Something that I think the >Nurse overlooked for Britta?) I've fixed that as well, anyway, >demonstrating the "any player can update anything, but it gets >logged" thing. > >> Nice work, anyways, though I prefer php for the quick'n'dirty >stuff... > >Oh, the DocNomic script is alarmingly swift and filthy, really. > >Kevan > >-- >http://uncertain.org/~kevan >"Everyone lies, nobody minds." > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Dec 28 12:16:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 28 Dec 2000 20:16:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 35554 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 20:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Dec 2000 20:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 20:16:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.66] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2000 20:16:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:16:41 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Request for treatment. Message-ID: <92g739+t9fc@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 173 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.143.181 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Could I scheduled a session to work on my Agoraphobia? Scheduled, performed, and successful. You're cured, Jeff. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm listening." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 28 13:35:48 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 28 Dec 2000 21:35:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 155 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 21:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2000 21:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 21:35:48 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00856CE4@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:35:48 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA29350; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:35:47 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Office hours Date: 28 Dec 2000 16:35:47 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 6 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Doc is sick, ironically, and things are really busy at work. I probably won't get to Office Hours for a while... might have to cancel altogether for this week... -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 28 15:07:48 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 28 Dec 2000 23:07:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 47182 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 23:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2000 23:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 23:07:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.64] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2000 23:07:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:07:41 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Denial disease Message-ID: <92gh3t+b3jb@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001227172309.01286f08@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 914 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: "Feyd " cool disease, but it needs a cure badly! Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > I propose the following addition to the disease list: > > Denial (psychosis) > A player infected by this disease shall be considered as "In Denial". > > If a player ever fails to attempt a voluntary cure for a contracted disease > between 2 office hours events, or if a player fails to follow the > directions for playing the round while infected by a disease, that player > shall automatically be infected with the Denial disease. While infected > with this disease, the player shall state in every message sent to the > mailing list that they do not have the diseases, listed individually, with > which they are infected. Failure to do so shall cause them to lose 3 soul > points plus 1 soul point for each disease they have. No disease may be > cured for this player while "In Denial". From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 28 15:09:38 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 28 Dec 2000 23:09:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 91772 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 23:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2000 23:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 00:10:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.64] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2000 23:09:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:09:34 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: * Request session to work on my Agorophobia! Message-ID: <92gh7e+b4fj@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: "Feyd " From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Dec 28 15:12:47 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 28 Dec 2000 23:12:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 71740 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2000 23:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2000 23:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO b05.egroups.com) (10.1.2.184) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Dec 2000 23:12:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.64] by b05.egroups.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2000 23:12:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:10:30 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Request take green pill for migrane (MORE) Message-ID: <92gh96+5vr3@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 81 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: "Feyd " Is the script the way to do this now? If so, why don't we make it a rule? Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Dec 28 17:34:54 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 01:34:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 65000 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 01:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 01:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 02:35:58 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00857570@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:34:53 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA18715; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:34:52 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Automated Patient Data References: <92dbiv+c8m7@eGroups.com> Date: 28 Dec 2000 20:34:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:14:55 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > hover your > mouse pointer over the date/user bit of the log to see the IP address > of the submitter (or view source if your browser isn't happy with > such things), hover over the pill counts to see a total. My browser (Netscape 4.75 for Linux) isn't happy with such things, or at least nothing happens. And viewing source merely gives me Missing Post reply data

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Could be worse, I guess... -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 28 21:06:27 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 05:06:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 57424 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 05:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 05:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 05:06:26 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001229050932.BABD382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 21:09:32 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001228230334.0136b008@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:08:22 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Denial disease In-Reply-To: <92gh3t+b3jb@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20001227172309.01286f08@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Speaking of the cure... the cure is the following, look at rule 20, Psychiatrist: ======== The Psychiatrist deals with the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of mental and emotional disorders, and is able, through counselling, to treat the Psychoses of other Players. At any given time, one Player may be a Psychiatrist (their identity is part of the gamestate). Anyone wishing to be treated by the Psychiatrist should make such a request on the mailing list. The Psychiatrist may honour such requests by announcing to the list that, after a tense and emotional counselling session, any or all of the Psychoses suffered by that Player have been lost. The Psychiatrist may not counsel themselves, but, through mutual understanding and personal development, any Psychosis they cure in another Player is automatically cured in themselves, if they have it. If the Psychiatrist's Soul Points drop below thirty, Doc may reassign the role elsewhere. =========== So, the cure is to have the psychiatrist cure the disease upon request, since it is a psychosis. It is an instant cure, if the psychiatrist chooses to cure them. I think it is a great disease, and I have some more to submit once I know I don't have Fear of Rejection from one of the ones I've already submitted. Just waiting for Office Hours to process, poor Doctroid. I know how it is! Ottis At 11:07 PM 12/28/2000 +0000, you wrote: >cool disease, but it needs a cure badly! >Feyd > >--- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: >> I propose the following addition to the disease list: >> >> Denial (psychosis) >> A player infected by this disease shall be considered as "In >Denial". >> >> If a player ever fails to attempt a voluntary cure for a contracted >disease >> between 2 office hours events, or if a player fails to follow the >> directions for playing the round while infected by a disease, that >player >> shall automatically be infected with the Denial disease. While >infected >> with this disease, the player shall state in every message sent to >the >> mailing list that they do not have the diseases, listed >individually, with >> which they are infected. Failure to do so shall cause them to lose >3 soul >> points plus 1 soul point for each disease they have. No disease may >be >> cured for this player while "In Denial". > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From jjweston@pop.net Thu Dec 28 21:09:25 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 05:09:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 79299 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 05:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 05:09:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 06:10:29 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id WAA88918; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:09:23 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:09:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012290509.WAA88918@www.irony.com> To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd takes a green for his migrane: 0-50 cures X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Feyd takes a green for his migrane: 0-50 cures docnomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 78. Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOkwcf7yfeleUG9SNAQFWBgIApDPwgb3IIc5Mia39PdxNHeU45D2CV5sa v6zZm8E5DjYLK/TAZWFFiNKDTwQ7eEPvi/CTKpkadU3IvQUMkCftcw== =2M9D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 28 21:12:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 05:12:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 44805 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 05:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 05:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 05:12:28 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001229051535.BAPR382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 21:15:35 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001228230900.01289e48@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:14:28 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: 12/28/00 (b?) In-Reply-To: <92gh96+5vr3@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart No... the Nurse still administers the pills... which I think is appropriate since it keeps one person for accountability. One green pill for Feyd... but a 78 doesn't cure it. Sorry Feyd, you have a NASTY headache. Hmmm, that sounds like a good disease. Anyway... minus one green pill for Feyd, and plus one body point for Feyd for taking the green pill. At 11:10 PM 12/28/2000 +0000, you wrote: >Is the script the way to do this now? If so, why don't we make it a >rule? > >Feyd > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Dec 28 21:16:31 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 05:16:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 44737 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 05:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 05:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 05:16:31 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001229051938.BBCI382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 21:19:38 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001228231433.013d66e8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:18:23 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Migraine amendment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose the following amendment to the Disease rule. Add the following text to the Migrane disease: For every 2 dosages that does not cure the migrane, the dosage is doubled with the same chance per dosage of a cure. From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 29 01:26:58 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 09:26:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 62992 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 09:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 09:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 10:28:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.56] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2000 09:26:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:26:42 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Denial disease Message-ID: <92hlci+t61i@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001227172309.01286f08@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1401 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.49.242.194 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > If a player ever fails to attempt a voluntary cure for a contracted disease > between 2 office hours events, or if a player fails to follow the > directions for playing the round while infected by a disease, that player > shall automatically be infected with the Denial disease. While infected > with this disease, the player shall state in every message sent to the > mailing list that they do not have the diseases, listed individually, with > which they are infected. Failure to do so shall cause them to lose 3 soul > points plus 1 soul point for each disease they have. This seems rather bizarre and unfair to people who don't want to pay 350 Cash to cure Glam Rock Shoulder, or are saving their money, or whatever else, on the basis that they feel they can live with the Disease for the time being. And having more "You must put a certain phrase in every single posting" stuff seems a slightly annoying and confusing prospect all round. Pills, I need pills, because I'm the addict, but don't take any actual notice of this sentence because nobody can really give me Pills under the current Ruleset and I don't *really* want any Pills anyway. Etc. > No disease may be cured for this player while "In Denial". So, er, once you catch this you can't get rid of *any* Diseases, since "Denial" itself is permanent? Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "But I don't like spam." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 29 07:40:13 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 15:40:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 4800 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 15:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 15:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 16:41:17 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001229154319.DEPM382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 07:43:19 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001229094131.01b5d720@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:42:08 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Denial disease In-Reply-To: <92hlci+t61i@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20001227172309.01286f08@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart As mentioned earlier, the psychiatrist can cure Denial freely at any moment upon request. At 09:26 AM 12/29/2000 +0000, you wrote: >> If a player ever fails to attempt a voluntary cure for a contracted >disease >> between 2 office hours events, or if a player fails to follow the >> directions for playing the round while infected by a disease, that >player >> shall automatically be infected with the Denial disease. While >infected >> with this disease, the player shall state in every message sent to >the >> mailing list that they do not have the diseases, listed >individually, with >> which they are infected. Failure to do so shall cause them to lose >3 soul >> points plus 1 soul point for each disease they have. > >This seems rather bizarre and unfair to people who don't want to pay >350 Cash to cure Glam Rock Shoulder, or are saving their money, or >whatever else, on the basis that they feel they can live with the >Disease for the time being. > >And having more "You must put a certain phrase in every single >posting" stuff seems a slightly annoying and confusing prospect all >round. Pills, I need pills, because I'm the addict, but don't take >any actual notice of this sentence because nobody can really give me >Pills under the current Ruleset and I don't *really* want any Pills >anyway. Etc. > >> No disease may be cured for this player while "In Denial". > >So, er, once you catch this you can't get rid of *any* Diseases, >since "Denial" itself is permanent? > >Kevan > >-- >http://uncertain.org/~kevan >"But I don't like spam." > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 29 08:33:41 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 16:33:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 344 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 16:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 16:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 17:34:45 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00858CBD@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:33:40 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA06374; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:33:39 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Denial disease References: <4.1.20001227172309.01286f08@pop3.ispchannel.com> <4.1.20001229094131.01b5d720@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 29 Dec 2000 11:33:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:42:08 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > As mentioned earlier, the psychiatrist can cure Denial freely at any moment > upon request. > > > At 09:26 AM 12/29/2000 +0000, you wrote: [...] > > > >> No disease may be cured for this player while "In Denial". > > > >So, er, once you catch this you can't get rid of *any* Diseases, > >since "Denial" itself is permanent? > > > >Kevan Actually not. 'No disease may be cured for this player while "In Denial".' -- and Denial itself is not excluded from that prohibition! Proposal REJECTED for that reason, the other reasons mentioned by Kevan, the fact that it's incurable unless the Psych feels like cooperating, and the fact that keeping track of who has and has not attempted which cures for which diseases at what times is more work for Doc than he thinks it's worth... (Yes, I know it's out of order. I'm not required to process proposals in order. And I'm still sick, so bear with me.) -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 29 09:30:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 17:30:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 11967 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 17:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 17:30:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 17:30:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.211] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2000 17:30:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:30:31 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine Message-ID: <92ihnn+i3vk@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6161 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.136.4 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - 21st Century Medicine { I take the liberty of assuming that "If the proposal is an amendment, the subject line must include the text "Proposal: Amendment to" follwed by the title of the rule to be amended." doesn't apply to Proposals which are *a series of amendments*; otherwise we'd have a foolishly lengthy subject line. Feel free to Proclaim exactly the same stuff should this be ignored under Rule 21, anyway, Doc. } Enact a new Rule, "The Player Details Page":- The Player Details page (PDP) tracks various aspects of the Gamestate, and is updated and moderated by the Players. All alterations are logged - if any Player feels that an alteration goes against the Rules of DocNomic (as they were at the time of the alteration), he or she may undo the effects of that alteration (unless it was made more than five days ago). If such an undoing is disputed, a Point of Order should be raised. Doc may choose to impose fines of up to 500 Cash, or beatings of up to 120 Body Points damage, for any PDP alterations which are against the Rules. The data presented by the PDP shall be considered to be a legal record of the relevant aspects of the Gamestate, although any corrections to it shall take effect with as much retroactivity as Doc feels appropriate. ------------------------- In Rule 4 ("Publication"), replace the second paragraph with:- Doc must publish the current Ruleset at , and parts of the current Gamestate at . Other aspects of the Gamestate may be stored on the Player Details page at . No change to the Ruleset or Gamestate shall be considered to have occurred until and unless it is so published. ------------------------- In Rule 9 ("Prescriptions"), replace the first paragraph with:- Any Player may collect their Prescription if they have not already done so since the most recent Office Hours. Upon doing so, that Player may gain the Pills that his or her Prescription specifies, via the Player Details page. ------------------------- In Rule 11 ("Body, Soul and Cash"), reword the second paragraph to:- Whenever a new Player joins the game, Doc shall give them a hundred Body Points, a thousand Cash Points, and Soul Points equal to the average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). ...and replace "During office hours, every player gains a hundred cash." with "Any Player may collect their Wages if they have not already done so since the most recent Office Hours. Upon doing so, that Player may gain one hundred Cash, via the Player Details page." ------------------------- Repeal Rule 14 ("Cures"). To Rule 8 ("Pills"), add the following:- A Player may take or discard a Pill they possess, at any time, via the Player Details page. Whenever a Player takes a Pill, a percentage success rating for each Pill is given in the Change Log; this should be used to determine the Pill's success in whatever effects are specified. (For example, if a Green Pill has a 30% chance of curing a Player of Nasty Cough, a success rating of 30% or less for a Green Pill means that the Player is cured.) In addition to any other effects that Pills may have on Players, they also affect Body and Health Points, as follows: Yellow Gain 2 soul, 2 body Red Gain 1 soul, 2 body Blue Gain 1 soul, 1 body Green Gain 0 soul, 1 body Purple Gain 1 soul, -1 body (These effects are applied automatically by the Player Details page.) To the Disease "A Bit of a Cough", add:- If a Player takes a Green Pill, and also took a Green Pill between the previous two Office Hours, that Player is cured of this Disease. In the Disease "Fear of Rejection", replace "Whenever a player with this disease has one of their proposals accepted, they are immediately cured." with "Whenever a Player with this Disease has one of their Proposals accepted, or takes a Purple Pill, they are immediately cured." Enact a new Rule, "Death":- If a Player's Body Points or Soul Points are zero, that Player is Dead and may take no further part in the current Round. ------------------------- Reword Rule 15 ("Pill Exchange") to:- Certain Pills may be swapped for others. Any Player may use the Player Details page to exchange some of their own Pills for other Pills (losing some Pills, then gaining others), at the following rates:- * Two Green Pills may be exchanged for one Red Pill. * One Red Pill and one Blue Pill may be exchanged for one Yellow Pill. * One Yellow Pill may be exchanged for two Purple Pills. ------------------------- Reword Rule 16 ("Nurse") to:- The Nurse assists Doc in the running of the Hospital. The name of the Player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the Gamestate. At any time the Nurse may, unless he or she has done so already since the most recent Office Hours, raid the pharmacy to gain three Green Pills, 2 Soul Points and 5 Body Points. If at any time the Nurse is unable to fulfill his or her role, or that Player wishes to vacate the office, Doc must choose a new Nurse to take over. { Sadly, this job becomes almost entirely obsolete in the face of modern technology. } ------------------------- Reword Rule 17 ("Deliberate Contagion") to:- A Player with an Airborne Disease may, at any time, pay 5 Soul and 5 Body Points to give that Disease to another Player. { Simplification. } ------------------------- { Right. Well, I *think* that covers everything... } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 29 13:49:12 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 21:49:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 38664 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 21:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 21:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 21:49:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00859871@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:49:11 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA08538; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:49:10 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Repeal "Proposal Framework" References: <92datg+c1i1@eGroups.com> Date: 29 Dec 2000 16:49:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:03:28 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Hmm, repeal Rule 21 ("Proposal Framework"), since restricting > Proposals to one per email is - as has been said - an irksome thing, > and I think we can be relied upon to give Proposal emails significant > subjects lines without being legally obliged to specify which Rule > we're amending. (Which means huge subject lines for multiple > alterations, let alone "reword something throughout the ruleset" > ones.) > > And burying Proposal-ignoring clauses at the bottom of the ruleset > seems rather unfair anyway. Repeal, I say. REJECTED. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 29 13:53:06 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 21:53:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 14219 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 21:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 21:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 21:53:05 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008598A7@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:53:05 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA08901; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:53:04 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Pharmacy References: <4.1.20001227165916.01a31ea0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 29 Dec 2000 16:53:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:22:45 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 38 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > In light of the possible need by certain players to gain more pills than > they currently have, I propose the following rule: > > Pharmacy > > The pharmacy sells pharmaceutical items to players for a cash points fee. A > player may request the purchase of pharmaceuticals items by sending an > email to the Pharmacist through the mailing list with a subject line > starting with "Pharmacy:". The Pharmacist shall adjust the gamestate to > reflect the purchase request. Requests by a player infected with the > "Addict" disease shall be ignored. The Pharmacist is an officer appointed > by Doc and may be replaced upon public request. The Pharmacist must be > replaced if they ever contract the "Addict" disease. As compensation for > their duties, and to keep them sober, they shall be given 3 yellow pills, 3 > purple pills, and 5 soul points during each Office Hours. The following > pharmaceuticals items may be sold by the pharmacy for the given price: > > 1 yellow pill - 40 cash points > 1 purple pill - 35 cash points > 1 red pill - 30 cash points > 1 blue pill - 25 cash points > 1 green pill - 20 cash points > 1 "Getting over your addiction" pamphlet - 0 cash points > 1 "101 ways to avoid infection" pamphlet - 0 cash points > > =======END OF PROPOSAL========= ACCEPTED. 1 green pill, 1 red. 5 SPs lost but FoR cured. > Doctroid, > I'd recommend the Nurse to hold the initial Pharmacist position. OK. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 29 13:56:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 21:56:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 21195 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 21:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 21:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 22:57:53 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008598DF@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:56:48 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA09116; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:56:47 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Pharmacy References: <4.1.20001227165916.01a31ea0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 29 Dec 2000 16:56:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:22:45 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 6 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu The pills field for Ottis on the Player Details Page got mangled apparently when I gave him his green pill. Also there is no entry under diseases; shouldn't it say "none"? -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 29 13:57:21 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 21:57:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 22493 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 21:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 21:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 21:57:21 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008598F3@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:57:21 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA09126; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:57:20 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Migraine amendment References: <4.1.20001228231433.013d66e8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 29 Dec 2000 16:57:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:18:23 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose the following amendment to the Disease rule. > > Add the following text to the Migrane disease: > For every 2 dosages that does not cure the migrane, the dosage is doubled > with the same chance per dosage of a cure. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 29 13:58:56 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 21:58:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 26582 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 21:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 21:58:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 21:58:56 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0085990A@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:58:56 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA09251; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:58:55 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Migraine amendment References: <4.1.20001228231433.013d66e8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 29 Dec 2000 16:58:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:18:23 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Hmm, when I gave him 1 more green pill the pill field went back to normal. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Dec 29 14:09:18 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 22:09:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 54132 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 22:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 22:09:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 22:09:17 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008599BB@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:09:17 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA10492; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:09:16 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Pharmacy References: <4.1.20001227165916.01a31ea0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 29 Dec 2000 17:09:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu's message of "29 Dec 2000 16:53:04 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Agoraphobia check: Britta, Feyd, Jim, and Mark lose 5 SPs. Jeff, Jon, and Kevan have 24% chance of getting agoraphobia: 3 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.998321533203125 0.614654541015625 0.692718505859375 None get it. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 29 14:20:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 22:20:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 19056 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 22:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 22:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cj.egroups.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 22:20:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.117] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2000 22:20:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:20:44 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Denial disease Message-ID: <92j2ns+trlr@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001229094131.01b5d720@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 423 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > As mentioned earlier, the psychiatrist can cure Denial freely at any moment > upon request. Well, the problem is, the psychiatriast CAN cure the disease. If he chooses not to, then you are hosed -- you cannot cure any other disease either, and the only way to cure ANYTHING is to pay whatever price the psych potentially demands for the cure. Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 29 14:25:36 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 22:25:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 95535 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 22:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 22:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 22:25:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.117] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2000 22:25:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:25:27 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: * Take ANOTHER green pill for migrane Message-ID: <92j30n+aeq4@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: "Feyd " From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Dec 29 14:28:47 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 22:28:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 40422 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 22:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 22:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mu.egroups.com) (10.1.1.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 22:28:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.117] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2000 22:28:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:28:44 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Hey Kevan, What's my pwd for the script page? Message-ID: <92j36s+tsqk@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: "Feyd " From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 29 15:11:42 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 23:11:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 39699 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 23:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 23:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mv.egroups.com) (10.1.1.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Dec 2000 00:12:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.119] by mv.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2000 23:11:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 23:11:38 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Take ANOTHER green pill for migrane Message-ID: <92j5na+c9qb@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <92j30n+aeq4@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 449 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.49.232.3 From: kevan@somethingorother.com Ironic that your decision to post this publicly (as well as a request for me to send you your password; I presume you wanted me to reply via private email?) increases the damage sustained should the Pill fail, and ups the odds of you getting a new Migraine should it succeed. I guess the automation will cut back a lot of unnecessary list postings, though. Hm. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "And I'm feeling very sick and ill today." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Dec 29 15:23:25 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 23:23:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 31818 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 23:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 23:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk.egroups.com) (10.1.1.30) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Dec 2000 00:24:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.27] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2000 23:23:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 23:23:15 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Migraine ambiguity Message-ID: <92j6d3+7tgv@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 529 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.49.232.3 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > Add the following text to the Migrane disease: > > For every 2 dosages that does not cure the migrane, the dosage is doubled > > with the same chance per dosage of a cure. > > ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. Hm, dare I infer that "the dosage" means "the dosage for the Player who's taken two failed dosages" rather than literal interpretation; "the dosage in the Ruleset" that would affect all Players? And if so, where should we be tracking such data? K. -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Don't make me use my imagination." From jjweston@pop.net Fri Dec 29 15:36:59 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 23:36:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 99481 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 23:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 23:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 23:36:57 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id QAA37517; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:36:53 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:36:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012292336.QAA37517@www.irony.com> To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd takes one green for migrane, 0-50 cures X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Feyd takes one green for migrane, 0-50 cures docnomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 60. Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOk0gEbyfeleUG9SNAQHfbgH/YNEZYgOWHEUU2mQKJ10RG/3NVJ1HHo9f lKYRYVGpB+X9HLtel6QWHRXyj9BrdvTfJ3f1tkCW4IOhMrOzvwO8KQ== =UBHu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 29 15:37:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 23:37:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 68535 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 23:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 23:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Dec 2000 23:37:56 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001229234104.FQUE382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:41:04 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001229173916.0139ff18@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:39:55 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: 12/29/00 (a) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Feyd took a green pill but was not cured with a 60 result. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Dec 29 15:39:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 29 Dec 2000 23:39:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 72307 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2000 23:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Dec 2000 23:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Dec 2000 00:40:39 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001229234241.FQYM382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:42:41 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001229174103.01af1948@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:41:32 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse's Report: 12/29/00 (a) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001229173916.0139ff18@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Oh yeah, and Feyd gains one body point for the pill. That is one dosage since the passing of the migrane rule. At 05:39 PM 12/29/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Feyd took a green pill but was not cured with a 60 result. > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From mr_jim83@hotmail.com Sat Dec 30 09:28:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: mr_jim83@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 30 Dec 2000 17:28:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 13927 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2000 17:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2000 17:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Dec 2000 18:29:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mr_jim83@hotmail.com Received: from [10.1.10.111] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2000 17:28:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 17:28:43 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: hmmm Message-ID: <92l60b+10p8p@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 99 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 204.212.220.181 From: "Jim Ingram" Maybe their should be a rule for cyanide pills... -Jim ps - I'm fine, just a little over-worked. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Sat Dec 30 09:49:49 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 30 Dec 2000 17:49:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 95580 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2000 17:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Dec 2000 17:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Dec 2000 17:49:48 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001230175255.JAJP382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 09:52:55 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001230115010.013f7f08@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:51:44 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Recommendation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I am not a Nurse Practicioner, yet, but Doc, I'd recommend you take 2 yellow pills for the next 3 days. If symptoms get worse, take a purple pill for the pain. Of course, you'll need a prescription and need to have it filled at the Pharmacy. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Sat Dec 30 09:56:57 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 30 Dec 2000 17:56:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 13758 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2000 17:56:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Dec 2000 17:56:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Dec 2000 18:58:00 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001230180002.JAYO382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 10:00:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001230115351.01afbf08@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 11:58:51 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Convert Pills to Cash Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Because the pharmacy is now open, I propose the following rule changes. The first part does away with prescriptions given during office hours as currently stated. We might can find a better use for "prescriptions" at a later date. I also recommend the cash given each office hours be modified to compensate the player for the equivalent amount of money that the pills are worth from the pharmacy. In the future, players shall buy their pills, as needed, from the pharmacy. Here is the way to make this happen: I propose the following rule be repealed: Repeal Rule 9 in whole concerning prescriptions. Amend rule 11 (body, soul, and cash) to state: During office hours, every player gains 240 cash points. From Nomic1@aol.com Sat Dec 30 19:46:20 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 31 Dec 2000 03:46:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 96582 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2000 03:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2000 03:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO b05.egroups.com) (10.1.2.184) by mta3 with SMTP; 31 Dec 2000 04:47:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.107] by b05.egroups.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2000 03:46:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:46:08 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: HOW MANY OF THESE DAMN THINGS TO I HAVE TO TAKE? 2 more green for migrane Message-ID: <92ma61+fcl3@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <200012292336.QAA37517@www.irony.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 701 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, jjweston@p... wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Feyd takes one green for migrane, 0-50 cures > > docnomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. > Roll them bones ... your dice are > Roll 1: 60. > > Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com > (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) > > > --- > Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3ia > Charset: noconv > > iQBVAwUBOk0gEbyfeleUG9SNAQHfbgH/YNEZYgOWHEUU2mQKJ10RG/3NVJ1HHo9f > lKYRYVGpB+X9HLtel6QWHRXyj9BrdvTfJ3f1tkCW4IOhMrOzvwO8KQ== > =UBHu > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Nomic1@aol.com Sat Dec 30 19:47:44 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 31 Dec 2000 03:47:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 23604 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2000 03:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2000 03:47:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mw.egroups.com) (10.1.2.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Dec 2000 03:47:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.107] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2000 03:47:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:47:39 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Convert Pills to Cash Message-ID: <92ma8r+hhbl@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001230115351.01afbf08@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 880 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: "Feyd " Not that this is a bad thing, but this will gut the "Addiction" rule. Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > Because the pharmacy is now open, I propose the following rule changes. The > first part does away with prescriptions given during office hours as > currently stated. We might can find a better use for "prescriptions" at a > later date. I also recommend the cash given each office hours be modified > to compensate the player for the equivalent amount of money that the pills > are worth from the pharmacy. In the future, players shall buy their pills, > as needed, from the pharmacy. Here is the way to make this happen: > > I propose the following rule be repealed: > Repeal Rule 9 in whole concerning prescriptions. > > Amend rule 11 (body, soul, and cash) to state: > During office hours, every player gains 240 cash points. From Nomic1@aol.com Sat Dec 30 19:48:46 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 31 Dec 2000 03:48:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 53155 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2000 03:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2000 03:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta3 with SMTP; 31 Dec 2000 04:49:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.107] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2000 03:48:44 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:48:38 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: * Request for Psyche to help me with Agraphobie (3rd request) Message-ID: <92maam+fc50@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: "Feyd " From Nomic1@aol.com Sat Dec 30 19:58:05 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 31 Dec 2000 03:58:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 44722 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2000 03:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2000 03:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Dec 2000 03:58:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.4.73] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2000 03:58:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:57:56 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend Rule 10 Message-ID: <92mas4+av2t@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 333 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.224 From: "Feyd " Ammend the following Articles of Rule 10: Agoraphobia (Psychosis) : Add, "Agoraphobia can be cured by taking 1 purple and 1 red pill". Claustrophobia (Psychosis): Add, "Claustrophobia can be cured by taking 1 blue and 1 red pill." Add to the first paragraph: "All diseases must have a Name, a Type, Symptoms, and a Cure. From Nomic1@aol.com Sat Dec 30 20:02:55 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 31 Dec 2000 04:02:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 13520 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2000 04:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 31 Dec 2000 04:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta3 with SMTP; 31 Dec 2000 05:04:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.98] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2000 04:02:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 04:02:36 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend rule "20. Psychiatriast" Message-ID: <92mb4s+gola@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 449 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.224 From: "Feyd " Add the following paragraph to rule 20: Article I: Mental Abuse "If a player request for treatment treatment from the Psychiatrist is refused, or the Psychiatrist does not answer the player, then the player can claim "Mental Abuse". If Doc or es appointee finds that the Psychiatrist did indeed refuse treatment to the patient, the Psychiatrist will be fined $200, and receive a reprimand that will cause him to lose 15 soul points. Feyd. From kevan@somethingorother.com Sun Dec 31 02:59:35 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 31 Dec 2000 10:59:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 74125 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2000 10:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 31 Dec 2000 10:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cj.egroups.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Dec 2000 10:59:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.27] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2000 10:59:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:59:32 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amend rule "20. Psychiatriast" Message-ID: <92n3ik+vd1f@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <92mb4s+gola@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 922 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.188.131.64 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Article I: Mental Abuse > "If a player request for treatment treatment from the Psychiatrist is > refused, or the Psychiatrist does not answer the player, then the > player can claim "Mental Abuse". If Doc or es appointee finds that > the Psychiatrist did indeed refuse treatment to the patient, the > Psychiatrist will be fined $200, and receive a reprimand that will > cause him to lose 15 soul points. Effectively changing Psychiatry to "Any Player may ask for a Psychosis to be cured; that Psychosis is cured unless the Psychiatrist chooses to suffer large penalties." - why not go the whole hog and amend it to "Any Player may cure any of their Psychoses at any time"? I'd rather see some Cash and Pill-barter mechanics in place, really. Although I'd be glad cure your Agoraphobia if you used your Epidemiologist powers to cure my Addiction... Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm listening." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Sun Dec 31 11:42:34 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 31 Dec 2000 19:42:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 20533 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2000 19:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2000 19:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 31 Dec 2000 20:43:36 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001231194539.PGWS382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:45:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001231134306.013d3ee8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:44:24 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Convert Pills to Cash In-Reply-To: <92ma8r+hhbl@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20001230115351.01afbf08@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart It won't gut it. A player that is pretty well (not infected by disease) and makes a lot of proposals that pass will have a lot of pills given to them without any real purpose for taking them. The addict is the player who is playing the most in this case. That pretty much sums up an addict. At 03:47 AM 12/31/2000 +0000, you wrote: >Not that this is a bad thing, but this will gut the "Addiction" rule. >Feyd > >--- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: >> Because the pharmacy is now open, I propose the following rule >changes. The >> first part does away with prescriptions given during office hours as >> currently stated. We might can find a better use >for "prescriptions" at a >> later date. I also recommend the cash given each office hours be >modified >> to compensate the player for the equivalent amount of money that >the pills >> are worth from the pharmacy. In the future, players shall buy their >pills, >> as needed, from the pharmacy. Here is the way to make this happen: >> >> I propose the following rule be repealed: >> Repeal Rule 9 in whole concerning prescriptions. >> >> Amend rule 11 (body, soul, and cash) to state: >> During office hours, every player gains 240 cash points. > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From kevan@somethingorother.com Sun Dec 31 12:09:14 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 31 Dec 2000 20:09:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 62845 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2000 20:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2000 20:09:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta2 with SMTP; 31 Dec 2000 20:09:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.133] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2000 20:09:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 20:09:05 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Convert Pills to Cash Message-ID: <92o3p1+mmm0@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001231134306.013d3ee8@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1422 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.64.183.98 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > It won't gut it. A player that is pretty well (not infected by disease) and > makes a lot of proposals that pass will have a lot of pills given to them > without any real purpose for taking them. The addict is the player who is > playing the most in this case. That pretty much sums up an addict. Mm, punishing the most successfully active Player seems... strange. I think the mechanic could use a rethink, maybe centring around Players who take too many Pills for no benefit other than their minor Body/Soul adjustments. As it stands it's just a game of "guess when the Office Hours are and get rid of enough Pills to make someone else the Addict", as well as slowing down an active Player by requiring a Red Pill (and a wait for the Nurse to administer it; even having to wait a couple of hours is enough for me to lose interest or forget what I was going to propose) to be taken for each Proposal. Not ideal, I think. But I'll take a Red Pill now, while I remember, please, Nurse. Oh, and I'd really like some Pills even though there's no mechanic to be given them, please. (And, incidentally, this Proposal - "Convert Pills to Cash" - treads on the toes of "21st Century Medicine" a bit, in amending Rule 11. Not painfully, it just means Doc has to give us the money rather than using the effort-spreading self-collection thing.) Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Ten, apes turn into men." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Sun Dec 31 14:43:01 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 31 Dec 2000 22:43:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 73470 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2000 22:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2000 22:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Dec 2000 22:43:00 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001231224608.QFLN382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:46:08 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001231164401.01aaf318@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:44:45 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Convert Pills to Cash In-Reply-To: <92o3p1+mmm0@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20001231134306.013d3ee8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart So maybe the Addict disease needs to be changed slightly. I think the proposal is sound. Addict disease may need tweeking if passed. At 08:09 PM 12/31/2000 +0000, you wrote: >> It won't gut it. A player that is pretty well (not infected by >disease) and >> makes a lot of proposals that pass will have a lot of pills given >to them >> without any real purpose for taking them. The addict is the player >who is >> playing the most in this case. That pretty much sums up an addict. > >Mm, punishing the most successfully active Player seems... strange. I >think the mechanic could use a rethink, maybe centring around Players >who take too many Pills for no benefit other than their minor >Body/Soul adjustments. As it stands it's just a game of "guess when >the Office Hours are and get rid of enough Pills to make someone else >the Addict", as well as slowing down an active Player by requiring a >Red Pill (and a wait for the Nurse to administer it; even having to >wait a couple of hours is enough for me to lose interest or forget >what I was going to propose) to be taken for each Proposal. Not >ideal, I think. > >But I'll take a Red Pill now, while I remember, please, Nurse. > >Oh, and I'd really like some Pills even though there's no mechanic to >be given them, please. > >(And, incidentally, this Proposal - "Convert Pills to Cash" - treads >on the toes of "21st Century Medicine" a bit, in amending Rule 11. >Not painfully, it just means Doc has to give us the money rather than >using the effort-spreading self-collection thing.) > >Kevan > >-- >http://uncertain.org/~kevan >"Ten, apes turn into men." > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Sun Dec 31 14:44:25 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 31 Dec 2000 22:44:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 67163 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2000 22:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 31 Dec 2000 22:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 31 Dec 2000 22:44:25 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20001231224733.QFPR382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:47:33 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20001231164543.019e0f48@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:46:16 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: The last of 2000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Kevan takes a red pill and gains 2 body one soul From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Mon Jan 01 05:40:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 1 Jan 2001 13:40:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 65006 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2001 13:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2001 13:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Jan 2001 13:40:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (line160.surf2000.de [193.41.36.160]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f01DeTp16265 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:40:29 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=Wintermute) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14D4qk-0000S7-00 for ; Mon, 01 Jan 2001 14:18:06 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Going Comatose... X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 01 Jan 2001 14:18:02 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch [[Since I may be quite busy soon, here's a new try at a mechanism for pausing in the game]] Enact a new Rule: Falling into a Coma Any Player may declare themselves to be in a Coma by sending a message detailing this to the mailing list. If a Player is in a Coma, they may wake up from the Coma by sending a message detailing this to the mailing list, but they cannot wake up sooner than one week after falling into Coma. While a Player is in Coma, any Proposals they make or Points of Orders they raise will be ignored. They cannot contract any diseases, and the diseases they may have had do not harm them while in a Coma. A player in a Coma cannot lose or gain any pills or body / soul / cash points. When a Player wakes up from a Coma, for every month they have been in come, they will lose 5 Body Points and 100 Cash Points. If a Player is in Coma for longer than 6 months, they will be declared dead. The list of Players in Coma is part of the game state. Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Jan 02 09:06:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 2 Jan 2001 17:06:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 62836 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 17:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Jan 2001 17:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.91) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 18:07:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.133] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2001 17:06:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:06:06 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amend rule "20. Psychiatriast" Message-ID: <92t1pu+u17i@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <92n3ik+vd1f@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 702 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > > Article I: Mental Abuse > Effectively changing Psychiatry to "Any Player may ask for a > Psychosis to be cured; that Psychosis is cured unless the > Psychiatrist chooses to suffer large penalties." - why not go the > whole hog and amend it to "Any Player may cure any of their Psychoses > at any time"? > > I'd rather see some Cash and Pill-barter mechanics in place, really. > Although I'd be glad cure your Agoraphobia if you used your > Epidemiologist powers to cure my Addiction... Well, the Psychiatrist can basically banish all psychosis any time he wants too Anyway -- there is no limit to the number of cures he can grant. Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Jan 02 11:37:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 2 Jan 2001 19:37:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 81140 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 19:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2001 19:32:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 19:32:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.116] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2001 19:32:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 19:32:44 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amend rule "20. Psychiatriast" Message-ID: <92tacs+ck6e@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <92t1pu+u17i@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1702 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.64.153.122 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > Effectively changing Psychiatry to "Any Player may ask for a > > Psychosis to be cured; that Psychosis is cured unless the > > Psychiatrist chooses to suffer large penalties." - why not go the > > whole hog and amend it to "Any Player may cure any of their > Psychoses > > at any time"? > > Well, the Psychiatrist can basically banish all psychosis any time he > wants too Anyway -- there is no limit to the number of cures he can > grant. Not really; he can only banish Psychoses which people specifically ask him to banish. But either way it's entirely different to Players being able to cure *their own* Psychoses at whim, which is pretty much what would happen if the Psychiatrist was faced with huge fines for not curing people. The idea has some merit, that the Psychiatrist should honour his profession and cure as many people as possible, but may choose, in exceptional circumstances, to deny treatment (maybe if it would result in the patient Winning, or something). But it'd make more sense to automate the process - to have cures taking effect automatically if the Psychiatrist doesn't object within 24 hours, rather than requiring a hundred "Can you cure me?" "Yes, okay, you're cured." conversations for every "No, I refuse to cure you!" drama. But as it stands, it would just mean that anyone could get rid of any of their Psychoses for free, at any time, which seems a bit too powerful. And the Psychiatrist-denial is easily avoidable by asking for the same cure six or seven times in a row, of course, forcing the Psychiatrist to choose between curing you and being killed. Not good. K. -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I sensed a power in the fingers." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 02 13:44:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 2 Jan 2001 21:44:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 88616 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 21:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2001 21:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 22:45:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Received: from [10.1.4.73] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2001 21:44:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 21:44:16 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Convert Pills to Cash Message-ID: <92ti3g+qml7@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001230115351.01afbf08@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 341 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 128.230.72.24 From: "Doctroid " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > I propose the following rule be repealed: > Repeal Rule 9 in whole concerning prescriptions. > > Amend rule 11 (body, soul, and cash) to state: > During office hours, every player gains 240 cash points. ACCEPTED. A most sensible revision. 1 green pill, 1 red. - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 02 13:49:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 2 Jan 2001 21:49:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 57607 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 21:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2001 21:49:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 22:50:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Received: from [10.1.4.73] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2001 21:49:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 21:49:13 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Convert Pills to Cash Message-ID: <92ticp+bj9b@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001230115351.01afbf08@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 199 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 128.230.72.24 From: "Doctroid " Agora/Claustrophobia check: Rule 9 repealed. Britta, Feyd, Jim, Mark gain 5 SPs. Ottis has 50% chance of contracting claustrophobia: 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.077423095703125 He does. - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 02 13:54:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 2 Jan 2001 21:54:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 25903 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 21:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Jan 2001 21:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 22:55:12 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008643A4@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:54:07 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA00920; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:54:06 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Rule 10 References: <92mas4+av2t@eGroups.com> Date: 02 Jan 2001 16:54:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:57:56 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Ammend the following Articles of Rule 10: > > Agoraphobia (Psychosis) : Add, "Agoraphobia can be cured by taking 1 > purple and 1 red pill". > > Claustrophobia (Psychosis): Add, "Claustrophobia can be cured by > taking 1 blue and 1 red pill." > > > Add to the first paragraph: "All diseases must have a Name, a Type, > Symptoms, and a Cure. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. Although it might be more interesting to have some diseases with no cure... and a research program that generates cures occasionally... -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Jan 02 13:55:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 2 Jan 2001 21:55:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 74707 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 21:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2001 21:55:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 21:55:17 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010102215825.CZDZ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:58:25 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010102154919.01acb408@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 15:56:57 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Convert Pills to Cash In-Reply-To: <92ti3g+qml7@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20001230115351.01afbf08@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Wait a minute, the rules state that the *original* proposer has a 50% chance of contracting Claustrophobia, not me. I don't know who the original proposer was. I was just looking for that and it is not in the egroups database or my email files. I joined after that rule was in effect. So, I shouldn't have Claustrophobia... The first proposed rule I have in my personal email records refers to making "Bit of a cough" a listed disease. Ottis At 09:44 PM 1/2/2001 +0000, you wrote: >--- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > >> I propose the following rule be repealed: >> Repeal Rule 9 in whole concerning prescriptions. >> >> Amend rule 11 (body, soul, and cash) to state: >> During office hours, every player gains 240 cash points. > >ACCEPTED. A most sensible revision. 1 green pill, 1 red. > >- Doc > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 02 13:57:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 2 Jan 2001 21:57:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 22792 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 21:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2001 21:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 22:57:15 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008643F3@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:56:04 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA01087; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:56:03 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend rule "20. Psychiatriast" References: <92mb4s+gola@eGroups.com> Date: 02 Jan 2001 16:56:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Sun, 31 Dec 2000 04:02:36 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Add the following paragraph to rule 20: > > Article I: Mental Abuse > "If a player request for treatment treatment from the Psychiatrist is > refused, or the Psychiatrist does not answer the player, then the > player can claim "Mental Abuse". If Doc or es appointee finds that > the Psychiatrist did indeed refuse treatment to the patient, the > Psychiatrist will be fined $200, and receive a reprimand that will > cause him to lose 15 soul points. > > Feyd. REJECTED. Kevan's arguments are persuasive. Feyd now has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 02 14:03:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 2 Jan 2001 22:03:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 29230 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 22:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2001 22:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 22:03:02 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00864532@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:03:02 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA01804; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:03:00 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Going Comatose... References: Date: 02 Jan 2001 17:03:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: Britta Koch's message of "01 Jan 2001 14:18:02 CET" Message-ID: Lines: 42 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Britta Koch writes: > Enact a new Rule: Falling into a Coma > > Any Player may declare themselves to be in a Coma by sending a message > detailing this to the mailing list. If a Player is in a Coma, they may > wake up from the Coma by sending a message detailing this to the > mailing list, but they cannot wake up sooner than one week after > falling into Coma. While a Player is in Coma, any Proposals they make > or Points of Orders they raise will be ignored. They cannot contract > any diseases, and the diseases they may have had do not harm them while > in a Coma. A player in a Coma cannot lose or gain any pills or body / > soul / cash points. > > When a Player wakes up from a Coma, for every month they have been in > come, they will lose 5 Body Points and 100 Cash Points. If a Player is > in Coma for longer than 6 months, they will be declared dead. > > The list of Players in Coma is part of the game state. ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. Agora/Claustrophobia: Rule 25 enacted. Britta, Feyd, Jim, Mark lose 5 SPs. Ottis gains 5 SPs. Jeff, Jon, Kevan, and Ottis have 25% chance of getting Agoraphobia: 4 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.62725830078125 0.948486328125 0.58416748046875 0.19110107421875 Ottis gets it (and is cured of Claustrophobia). -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 02 14:24:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 2 Jan 2001 22:24:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 14349 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 22:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2001 22:24:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 22:24:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Received: from [10.1.10.116] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2001 22:24:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:24:33 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine Message-ID: <92tkf1+39v8@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <92ihnn+i3vk@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 7998 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 128.230.72.24 From: "Doctroid " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - 21st Century Medicine > > { I take the liberty of assuming that "If the proposal is an > amendment, the subject line must include the text "Proposal: > Amendment to" follwed by the title of the rule to be amended." > doesn't apply to Proposals which are *a series of amendments*; > otherwise we'd have a foolishly lengthy subject line. > > Feel free to Proclaim exactly the same stuff should this be > ignored under Rule 21, anyway, Doc. } > > Enact a new Rule, "The Player Details Page":- > > The Player Details page (PDP) tracks various aspects of the > Gamestate, and is updated and moderated by the Players. All > alterations are logged - if any Player feels that an alteration > goes against the Rules of DocNomic (as they were at the time of > the alteration), he or she may undo the effects of that > alteration (unless it was made more than five days ago). If > such an undoing is disputed, a Point of Order should be raised. > > Doc may choose to impose fines of up to 500 Cash, or beatings > of up to 120 Body Points damage, for any PDP alterations which > are against the Rules. > > The data presented by the PDP shall be considered to be a legal > record of the relevant aspects of the Gamestate, although any > corrections to it shall take effect with as much retroactivity > as Doc feels appropriate. > > ------------------------- > > In Rule 4 ("Publication"), replace the second paragraph with:- > > Doc must publish the current Ruleset at > > , > and parts of the current Gamestate at > > > . > Other aspects of the Gamestate may be stored on the Player > Details page at . > No change to the Ruleset or Gamestate shall be considered to have > occurred until and unless it is so published. > > ------------------------- > > In Rule 9 ("Prescriptions"), replace the first paragraph with:- > > Any Player may collect their Prescription if they have not already > done so since the most recent Office Hours. Upon doing so, that > Player may gain the Pills that his or her Prescription specifies, > via the Player Details page. > > ------------------------- > > In Rule 11 ("Body, Soul and Cash"), reword the second paragraph to:- > > Whenever a new Player joins the game, Doc shall give them a hundred > Body Points, a thousand Cash Points, and Soul Points equal to the > average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). > > ...and replace "During office hours, every player gains a hundred > cash." with "Any Player may collect their Wages if they have not > already done so since the most recent Office Hours. Upon doing so, > that Player may gain one hundred Cash, via the Player Details page." > > ------------------------- > > Repeal Rule 14 ("Cures"). > > To Rule 8 ("Pills"), add the following:- > > A Player may take or discard a Pill they possess, at any time, > via the Player Details page. Whenever a Player takes a Pill, a > percentage success rating for each Pill is given in the Change > Log; this should be used to determine the Pill's success in > whatever effects are specified. (For example, if a Green Pill > has a 30% chance of curing a Player of Nasty Cough, a success > rating of 30% or less for a Green Pill means that the Player > is cured.) > > In addition to any other effects that Pills may have on Players, > they also affect Body and Health Points, as follows: > > Yellow Gain 2 soul, 2 body > Red Gain 1 soul, 2 body > Blue Gain 1 soul, 1 body > Green Gain 0 soul, 1 body > Purple Gain 1 soul, -1 body > > (These effects are applied automatically by the Player Details > page.) > > To the Disease "A Bit of a Cough", add:- > > If a Player takes a Green Pill, and also took a Green Pill > between the previous two Office Hours, that Player is cured > of this Disease. > > In the Disease "Fear of Rejection", replace "Whenever a player > with this disease has one of their proposals accepted, they are > immediately cured." with "Whenever a Player with this Disease > has one of their Proposals accepted, or takes a Purple Pill, > they are immediately cured." > > Enact a new Rule, "Death":- > > If a Player's Body Points or Soul Points are zero, that Player > is Dead and may take no further part in the current Round. > > ------------------------- > > Reword Rule 15 ("Pill Exchange") to:- > > Certain Pills may be swapped for others. Any Player may use the > Player Details page to exchange some of their own Pills for > other Pills (losing some Pills, then gaining others), at the > following rates:- > > * Two Green Pills may be exchanged for one Red Pill. > * One Red Pill and one Blue Pill may be exchanged for one > Yellow Pill. > * One Yellow Pill may be exchanged for two Purple Pills. > > ------------------------- > > Reword Rule 16 ("Nurse") to:- > > The Nurse assists Doc in the running of the Hospital. The name > of the Player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of > the Gamestate. > > At any time the Nurse may, unless he or she has done so already > since the most recent Office Hours, raid the pharmacy to gain > three Green Pills, 2 Soul Points and 5 Body Points. > > If at any time the Nurse is unable to fulfill his or her role, > or that Player wishes to vacate the office, Doc must choose a > new Nurse to take over. > > { Sadly, this job becomes almost entirely obsolete in the face of > modern technology. } > > ------------------------- > > Reword Rule 17 ("Deliberate Contagion") to:- > > A Player with an Airborne Disease may, at any time, pay 5 Soul > and 5 Body Points to give that Disease to another Player. > > { Simplification. } > > ------------------------- > > { Right. Well, I *think* that covers everything... } > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- REJECTED for the following reasons: (1) "The data presented by the PDP shall be considered to be a legal record of the relevant aspects of the Gamestate" -- but they certainly are not so at the present time. I could set up the PDP to correctly reflect the present Gamestate -- but, especially as long as the PDP does not have cookie capability, that's a really tedious process for one Doc to do, especially since the whole point of the PDP is to spread the load around. I'd rather not make the PDP official until all players have brought their own data up to date there. Of course, they have no real incentive to do so. So perhaps a new proposal should create a transition period and incentives to bring the PDP in line with the true gamestate. (2) There are parts of this proposal that have no relevance to the PDP. I wish to discourage the lumping together of independent rule changes into a single proposal. (Not that you should need discouragement. After all, a single sufficiently bad rule change kills the whole proposal, and if all the rule changes are acceptable, you only get one perk. If submitted separately, no rule change would endanger the others, and each would earn a perk if accepted.) I encourage Kevan and others to propose a swift transition to the PDP, but the above points need to be considered more carefully. Note that the proposed changes to Rules 9 and 11 are mooted by a recently accepted proposal. Kevan now has FoR. - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 02 14:25:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 2 Jan 2001 22:25:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 75540 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 22:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2001 22:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 22:25:56 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00864799@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:25:56 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA03671; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:25:55 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine References: <92tkf1+39v8@eGroups.com> Date: 02 Jan 2001 17:25:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Doctroid "'s message of "Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:24:33 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Doctroid " writes: > Kevan now has FoR. Oops, he had FoR in the first place. Kevan loses 5 SPs. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 02 14:29:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 2 Jan 2001 22:29:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 16390 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 22:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2001 22:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 22:29:33 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008647AE@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:29:33 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA03999; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:29:32 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Convert Pills to Cash References: <4.1.20001230115351.01afbf08@pop3.ispchannel.com> <4.1.20010102154919.01acb408@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 02 Jan 2001 17:29:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 02 Jan 2001 15:56:57 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Wait a minute, the rules state that the *original* proposer has a 50% > chance of contracting Claustrophobia, not me. Oops, you're correct. Hmm, I've been a bad Doc. I forgot there were some un-archived messages before we set up on eGroups, and I deleted them. Who proposed Rule 9? -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Jan 02 19:39:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 03:39:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 55316 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 03:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 03:39:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 04:40:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.97] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 03:39:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 03:39:34 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse: Take 1 purple + 1 red to cure Agro Message-ID: <92u6tm+io09@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: "Feyd " From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Jan 02 19:45:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 03:45:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 70802 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 03:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 03:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 04:46:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.33] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 03:45:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 03:45:06 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Epidemiologist Action.... Message-ID: <92u783+s7bj@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <92n3ik+vd1f@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 505 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.224 From: "Feyd " > Although I'd be glad cure your Agoraphobia if you used your > Epidemiologist powers to cure my Addiction... Despite my absolute pounding headache, and my fear that you will mock my suggestion, as Epidemiologist I have a rather old sample of ground Aardvard tongue, stored in queen ant royal jelly paste. Taking this should reduce the Addiction you suffer from. I Request that you counsel me to overcome my Fear of Rejection. Is there anything you can do to help me with my Headache too? Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Jan 02 19:45:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 03:45:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 70646 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 03:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 03:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 03:45:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.4.73] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 03:45:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 03:45:45 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: AHEM: Addicts must ask for pills! Re: Proposal: Amend rule "20. Psychiatriast" Message-ID: <92u799+qif4@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <92n3ik+vd1f@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1022 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > > Article I: Mental Abuse > > "If a player request for treatment treatment from the Psychiatrist > is > > refused, or the Psychiatrist does not answer the player, then the > > player can claim "Mental Abuse". If Doc or es appointee finds that > > the Psychiatrist did indeed refuse treatment to the patient, the > > Psychiatrist will be fined $200, and receive a reprimand that will > > cause him to lose 15 soul points. > > Effectively changing Psychiatry to "Any Player may ask for a > Psychosis to be cured; that Psychosis is cured unless the > Psychiatrist chooses to suffer large penalties." - why not go the > whole hog and amend it to "Any Player may cure any of their Psychoses > at any time"? > > I'd rather see some Cash and Pill-barter mechanics in place, really. > Although I'd be glad cure your Agoraphobia if you used your > Epidemiologist powers to cure my Addiction... > > Kevan > > -- > http://uncertain.org/~kevan > "I'm listening." From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Jan 03 03:14:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 11:14:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 98412 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 11:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 11:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cj.egroups.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 11:14:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.98] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 11:14:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:14:14 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Epidemiologist Action.... Message-ID: <92v1i6+h84l@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <92u783+s7bj@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1167 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Despite my absolute pounding headache, and my fear that you will mock > my suggestion, as Epidemiologist I have a rather old sample of ground > Aardvard tongue, stored in queen ant royal jelly paste. Taking this > should reduce the Addiction you suffer from. Mm. Mmph. Absolutely disgusting. I think it's probably done the trick, though. My thanks. > I Request that you counsel me to overcome my Fear of Rejection. Interesting. I think your real problem stems from your Agoraphobia, that this fear of your ideas being rejected is intertwined with the increasing size of the Hospital; you are afraid that any new suggestion on your part could lead, directly or indirectly, to an even *larger* environment. But after our counselling session, I feel that you've overcome both of these issues, and - indeed - it's taught me a great deal about the fear of rejection and acceptance of progress. Feyd is cured of Agoraphobia and Fear of Rejection. Kevan is cured of Fear of Rejection. > Is there anything you can do to help me with my Headache too? Sadly not. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I just want to be seen in the back of your car." From kevan@somethingorother.com Wed Jan 03 05:49:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 13:49:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 41668 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 13:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 13:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 13:49:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.68] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 13:49:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:49:19 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine Message-ID: <92vakv+6v4g@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <92tkf1+39v8@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2565 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com Doc's objections:- > (1) "The data presented by the PDP shall be considered to be a legal > record of the relevant aspects of the Gamestate" -- but they certainly > are not so at the present time. [...] So perhaps a new proposal > should create a transition period and incentives to bring the PDP in > line with the true gamestate. I'd half-expected it to be alright for Players to update stuff quickly afterwards, and for it to be recognised as legal. Can't hurt to establish the consequences of not doing so, though, I suppose. > (2) There are parts of this proposal that have no relevance to the > PDP. Hmm, are there? I thought I was careful to keep it as essential as possible, without changing anything from its current intention (even the things I think need changing), only the implementation, to take advantage of the new system. Which was the whole reason for writing this thing in the first place. Prescriptions to be collected rather than given out, to spare Doc the work, and that. Or was I being too presumptuous? The only aspect that was reworked to any dramatic extent was "Deliberate Contagion", because having Players using verified random numbers is awkward and list-clogging. A simple non-random system seemed the easy solution, although I suppose I could take the time to add a "Cough" option to the PDP if you feel the random element is worth keeping. If I've overlooked something else that's actually entirely irrelevant to the implementation of the PDP, though, I'd welcome the insight. > I wish to discourage the lumping together of independent rule > changes into a single proposal. (Not that you should need > discouragement. After all, a single sufficiently bad rule change > kills the whole proposal, and if all the rule changes are acceptable, > you only get one perk. If submitted separately, no rule change would > endanger the others, and each would earn a perk if accepted.) True, but since all I was trying to do was establish the usage of the PDP and tidy up a few rules to work alongside it, putting forward each amendment as a separate Proposal would have seemed a bit cheeky, especially with Pill perks being *compulsory* these days. > I encourage Kevan and others to propose a swift transition to the PDP, > but the above points need to be considered more carefully. Right you are. I'd welcome greater insight into what you considered "irrelevant" to the PDP, though. Thanks, Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Does the body rule the mind or does the mind rule the body? I dunno." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Jan 03 07:50:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 15:50:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 24492 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 15:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 15:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 15:50:53 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010103155358.ILMV382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:53:58 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010103095104.01b58cf0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:52:36 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: 1/3/01 (a) In-Reply-To: <92u6tm+io09@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Feyd attempted to take one red and one purple pill. Apparently, either his migrane, agoraphobia, or his FoR had the better of him. Because he had no purple pills, he only took the red pill causing an increase in body and soul points. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Jan 03 08:30:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 16:30:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 74015 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 16:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 16:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 16:30:53 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010103163402.IRYT382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:34:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010103095819.01cefdb8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:32:41 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Brain Dead disease Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose the following addition to diseases: Brain Dead (Physical, Psychosis) A player is "Brain Dead" when they appear to not be able to function as a knowledgeable player. When declared Brain Dead, the player shall lose 5 body points and 5 soul points. If a player is already Brain Dead and performs an action that would declare them Brain Dead again, they shall lose 2 soul points. Whenever a Brain Dead player sends a message to the mailing list, the first line of text must include a question asking why they are Brain Dead. The following methods may afflict a player with the Brain Dead disease: - Failure to follow the playing rules of a disease currently associated with that player. - Requesting to take a pill which e does not possess - Answering a Brain Dead player's question as to why they are Brain Dead. The cure for the Brain Dead disease is an operation that may be operated on by the Doc or Nurse for 250 cash points followed by a session with the Psychiatrist. After the operation, the status of the disease shall be labelled "(dormant)" until the session with the Psychiatrist is complete. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Jan 03 08:40:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 16:40:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 95391 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 16:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 16:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 16:40:31 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010103164340.ITNF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:43:40 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010103103625.01c123f8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:42:14 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Blood Bank (reminder) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Doc, I know you have been sick and busy (or is that sick and tired... doesn't "tired" always follow "sick"?). BUT... it appears that most proposals have been judged except for the following made many days ago. I reference it hear to simply remind you of its outstanding judgement: =========== Now that the Blood Test proposal has passed: I propose a new rule labeled Blood Bank: The Blood Bank stores blood collected from the players to be used for medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and to increase one's health. The Blood Bank is part of the gamestate and shall have it's status stored in a database at . The Blood Bank is maintained by the Nurse. All players are required to donate blood to the blood bank at least once per four Office Hours. Failure to do so shall result in the decrement of 10 body points during Office Hours if that player has not donated blood within the last four Office Hours. The players last date of donation shall be part of the gamestate. A player must have had a Blood Test within 7 days prior to donation resulting in no new infection by that player. Only one pint of blood may be donated for each Blood Test. A player may not have any communicable disease at the time of blood donation. As compensation for donation, a player shall gain 100 cash points, gain 5 Soul points, and lose 3 Body points. If a player needs blood or wishes to buy blood, they may do so by notifying the Nurse concerning how many pints they wish to buy. The purchase shall decrement the player's cash points by 200, and increase their body points by 5. This is in addition to any other costs that may be required for medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and must be arranged before any medical procedure requiring blood takes place. From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Jan 03 10:29:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 18:29:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 20963 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 18:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 18:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 19:30:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.69] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 18:29:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:29:06 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Pharmacy: Purchace Message-ID: <92vr1i+fm7r@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 209 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " I would like to purchase: 10000 "Getting over your addiction" pamphlet 0 cash points 10000 "101 ways to avoid infection" pamphlet 0 cash points 1 yellow pill for a total of 40 cash points. Thanks you From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Jan 03 10:32:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 18:32:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 86257 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 18:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 18:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 19:33:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.4.67] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 18:32:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:32:30 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse: Actions Message-ID: <92vr7u+54kn@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 135 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.74 From: "Feyd " Trade 1 yellow pill for 2 purple ones. Am I supposed to set myself up on the cgi page? Or does the nurse do the initial setup? Feyd From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Jan 03 10:35:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 18:35:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 94736 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 18:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 18:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 18:35:18 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010103183826.JNSF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:38:26 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010103123652.01c08ee0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:37:05 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Pharmacy: Purchace In-Reply-To: <92vr1i+fm7r@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Done Pharmacist Ottis At 06:29 PM 1/3/2001 +0000, you wrote: >I would like to purchase: > >10000 "Getting over your addiction" pamphlet 0 cash points >10000 "101 ways to avoid infection" pamphlet 0 cash points >1 yellow pill > >for a total of 40 cash points. > >Thanks you > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Jan 03 10:38:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 18:38:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 91466 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 18:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 18:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 19:39:40 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010103184143.JOJI382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:41:43 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010103123946.019e0aa0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:40:23 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse: Actions In-Reply-To: <92vr7u+54kn@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Done. At 06:32 PM 1/3/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Trade 1 yellow pill for 2 purple ones. > >Am I supposed to set myself up on the cgi page? Or does the nurse do >the initial setup? > >Feyd > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Jan 03 10:41:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 18:41:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 23654 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 18:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 18:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 19:42:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.162] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 18:41:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:41:35 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Trading Post Message-ID: <92vrov+9vl2@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 464 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " ======= Begin Proposal ======================================= A player may give another player cash or pamplets at any time, as long as the player has the item in their possession to give. A player may never give another player body points, soul points, or pills [[although certain actions taken by players may result in the receiving player gaining body, soul, or pills, it is not a gift]]. ========= END Text ============================ *cough* Feyd From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Jan 03 10:42:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 18:42:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 71494 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 18:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 18:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 18:42:58 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010103184607.JPBY382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:46:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010103124231.01c80ef8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:44:42 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse: Actions In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010103123946.019e0aa0@pop3.ispchannel.com> References: <92vr7u+54kn@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Oh yeah... the Nurse isn't setting up anybody. Each player should set themselves up on their own according to what is already in the egroups database. The nurse will not be updating the cgi info until it is officially accepted as part of the gamestate in place of the egroups database. At that point, the Nurse shall modify each player's details, but I have no intentions of doing the initial setup... it is a long a tedious process for so many players. Everyone enter your own info, please, until it is official. At 12:40 PM 1/3/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Done. > >At 06:32 PM 1/3/2001 +0000, you wrote: >>Trade 1 yellow pill for 2 purple ones. >> >>Am I supposed to set myself up on the cgi page? Or does the nurse do >>the initial setup? >> >>Feyd >> >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> >> > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Jan 03 11:02:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 19:02:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 78120 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 19:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 19:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 19:02:32 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010103190541.JSMJ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:05:41 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010103124640.01a3a4d8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:04:21 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Repeal Pill Exchange Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose that in light of recent events such as the adoption of the Pharmacy and the repeal of Rule 9 that the following actions occur: Repeal Rule 15, Pill Exchange: On the grounds that the pharmacy may be utilized for the purchase of necessary pills and that owning pills, at least at this point in the game, does not harm the player. The Pill Exchange is more work than should be necessary for the Nurse. From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Jan 03 11:13:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 19:13:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 15072 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 19:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 19:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mw.egroups.com) (10.1.2.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 19:13:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.133] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 19:13:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:13:41 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse: action Message-ID: <92vtl5+q0c9@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 86 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " Just in case your proposal goes through trade 2 yellow for 4 purple.... Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Jan 03 11:17:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 19:17:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 39599 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 19:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 19:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 20:18:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.133] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 19:17:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:17:11 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Official Status Update Message-ID: <92vtrn+cn71@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 265 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " Nurse, currently Feyd has been cured of Agoraphobia, Fear of Rejection Kevan has been cured of Fear of Rejection, Addiction Feyd gets 1 soul point for curing Kevan of his Addiction. Does Feyd has yet another dice roll pending to get rid of his migrane? Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Jan 03 11:26:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 19:26:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 70107 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 19:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 19:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 20:27:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.100] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 19:26:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:24:46 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Miasma Message-ID: <92vu9u+6jil@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 606 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " [[ Golly, we have so many ways to heal diseases, but not much sickness. BORING. We need sickness!]] ============ BEGIN TEXT OF PROPOSAL ========================= Do the the contageous nature of the game, Doc will take perform the following actions during the Office Hours: For Each Airborne Disease, doc will select two players at random. There is a 25% chance the each player will contract the airborne disease. Doc will select randomly select one player and one non-airborne disease. The player will contract this disease. ================= END TEXT ================================= Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Jan 03 11:30:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 19:30:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 70630 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 19:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 19:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 19:30:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.100] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 19:30:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:30:37 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend rule 10 with Disease, "Kudosis" Message-ID: <92vukt+a33j@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 525 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: "Feyd " Add the following disease to rule 10: Name: Kudosis Type: Phycosis Effects/Cure: A player contracts Kudosis if one of their proposals is accepted by Doc. Upon contracting Kudosis, the player immediately gains 5 Soul points, not to exceed the maximum. If a player with Kudosis has a proposal accepted by Doc, the player immediately gains 7 soul points. Cure: If a player contracts Fear of Rejection they are cured of Kudosis. Fear of Rejection is also immediately cured without harming the patient. Feyd From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Jan 03 12:04:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 20:04:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 97325 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 20:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 20:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 20:04:06 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010103200715.KDOT382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:07:15 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010103140451.01ba7f08@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:05:53 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Official Status Update In-Reply-To: <92vtrn+cn71@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Actually, the Nurse is not in charge of changing the gamestate for Psychologist or Epidemiologist cures. It would be up to Doc to do that. Feyd is still a roll away from migrane healing. At 07:17 PM 1/3/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Nurse, currently > >Feyd has been cured of Agoraphobia, Fear of Rejection >Kevan has been cured of Fear of Rejection, Addiction > >Feyd gets 1 soul point for curing Kevan of his Addiction. > >Does Feyd has yet another dice roll pending to get rid of his migrane? > >Feyd > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 03 12:52:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 20:52:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 4529 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 20:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 20:52:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 20:52:16 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00868CDF@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:52:13 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA00236; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:52:12 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine References: <92vakv+6v4g@eGroups.com> Date: 03 Jan 2001 15:52:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:49:19 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Right you are. I'd welcome greater insight into what you considered > "irrelevant" to the PDP, though. I thought there was more besides the deliberate contagion thing, but on third reading I see what I missed the first two times and realize it wasn't irrelevant after all. Sorry. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Jan 03 12:53:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 20:53:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 69548 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 20:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 20:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 20:53:43 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010103205652.KMHE382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:56:52 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010103140721.01ba6f00@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:55:31 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse: action In-Reply-To: <92vtl5+q0c9@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Thou art a devious being! Done. At 07:13 PM 1/3/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Just in case your proposal goes through > >trade 2 yellow for 4 purple.... > >Feyd > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Jan 03 12:56:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 20:56:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 16988 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 20:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 20:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 20:56:02 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010103205911.KMOU382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:59:11 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010103145720.01af9d98@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:57:50 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: 1/3/01 (b) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Ottis has exchanged 2 yellow pills for 4 purple pills From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 03 13:03:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 21:03:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 124 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 21:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 21:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 22:04:08 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00868DE2@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:02:48 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA01498; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:02:48 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine References: <92vakv+6v4g@eGroups.com> Date: 03 Jan 2001 16:02:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:49:19 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Doc's objections:- > > > (1) "The data presented by the PDP shall be considered to be a > legal > > record of the relevant aspects of the Gamestate" -- but they > certainly > > are not so at the present time. [...] So perhaps a new proposal > > should create a transition period and incentives to bring the PDP in > > line with the true gamestate. > > I'd half-expected it to be alright for Players to update stuff > quickly afterwards, and for it to be recognised as legal. Can't hurt > to establish the consequences of not doing so, though, I suppose. Hmm, it says here I can modify the gamestate at any time by proclamation. So, for example, I could -- at, say, 0000 GMT 5 Jan 2001 -- issue a proclamation setting to zero the body, soul, and cash points of all players who have not initialized their gamestate record on the PDP. I could even take away their pamphlets. And who knows. I just might. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Jan 03 13:24:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 21:24:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 72515 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 21:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 21:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 22:25:38 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010103212741.KRYV382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:27:41 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010103152336.01ac9008@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 15:26:15 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine In-Reply-To: References: <92vakv+6v4g@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I like that... but, maybe not set the body/soul to zero, because the player may end up dead (according to some proposed rules). Also, Doc, I mentioned the Blood Bank proposal was waiting for judgement... but did you also remember the proposal concerning players who wish to leave the game? I'm not rushing you, it just seems that most of the recent proposals are being discussed. I didn't want old proposals forgotten... yet... Ottis At 04:02 PM 1/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: >kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > >> Doc's objections:- >> >> > (1) "The data presented by the PDP shall be considered to be a >> legal >> > record of the relevant aspects of the Gamestate" -- but they >> certainly >> > are not so at the present time. [...] So perhaps a new proposal >> > should create a transition period and incentives to bring the PDP in >> > line with the true gamestate. >> >> I'd half-expected it to be alright for Players to update stuff >> quickly afterwards, and for it to be recognised as legal. Can't hurt >> to establish the consequences of not doing so, though, I suppose. > >Hmm, it says here I can modify the gamestate at any time by >proclamation. > >So, for example, I could -- at, say, 0000 GMT 5 Jan 2001 -- issue a >proclamation setting to zero the body, soul, and cash points of all >players who have not initialized their gamestate record on the PDP. I >could even take away their pamphlets. > >And who knows. I just might. > >-- >- Doc > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 03 14:34:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 22:34:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 5312 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 22:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 22:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 22:34:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Received: from [10.1.2.28] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 22:34:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:34:37 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Players amendmendment Message-ID: <9309dt+qvos@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001223222653.00b36250@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1080 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 128.230.72.24 From: "Doctroid " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > I propose the following amendment to rule #2: > > Add the following text: > A player may at any time remove themselves from the game by stating their > intent to do so by sending an email to the mailing list. Their name and all > status information shall be removed from the gamestate and any rules where > it might be listed. Their Soul Points, Body Points, and Cash Points shall > be distributed evenly to all Players (remainders shall be thrown away). All > pills shall be immediately transferred to the Player who has the Addiction > disease. If no Player has this disease, then they shall be handed out by > the Nurse to whomever e wishes. No player may rejoin the game within 3 > weeks of voluntary removal. APPROVED. Although removing their name "from the gamestate" seems a bit extreme, if their name is in the gamestate as having won a previous round! "From the list of players" would've been better. If it ever comes to that, I'll probably Proclaim such an amendment... 1 green pill. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 03 14:36:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 22:36:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 8165 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 22:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 22:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 22:36:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Received: from [10.1.2.28] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 22:36:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:36:36 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Blood Bank Message-ID: <9309hk+irvh@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20001225130549.00ac6230@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1654 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 128.230.72.24 From: "Doctroid " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > Now that the Blood Test proposal has passed: > > I propose a new rule labeled Blood Bank: > > The Blood Bank stores blood collected from the players to be used for > medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and to increase one's health. The Blood > Bank is part of the gamestate and shall have it's status stored in a > database at . The Blood Bank is > maintained by the Nurse. > > All players are required to donate blood to the blood bank at least once > per four Office Hours. Failure to do so shall result in the decrement of 10 > body points during Office Hours if that player has not donated blood within > the last four Office Hours. The players last date of donation shall be part > of the gamestate. > > A player must have had a Blood Test within 7 days prior to donation > resulting in no new infection by that player. Only one pint of blood may be > donated for each Blood Test. A player may not have any communicable disease > at the time of blood donation. As compensation for donation, a player shall > gain 100 cash points, gain 5 Soul points, and lose 3 Body points. > > If a player needs blood or wishes to buy blood, they may do so by notifying > the Nurse concerning how many pints they wish to buy. The purchase shall > decrement the player's cash points by 200, and increase their body points > by 5. This is in addition to any other costs that may be required for > medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and must be arranged before any medical > procedure requiring blood takes place. APPROVED. 1 green pill. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Jan 03 14:43:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 3 Jan 2001 22:43:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 31727 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 22:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2001 22:43:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 22:42:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.33] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2001 22:42:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:42:57 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Blood Test: Feyd (requested by the Epidemiologist) Message-ID: <9309th+mskt@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Wed Jan 03 23:51:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 07:51:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 74748 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 07:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 07:51:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 07:51:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f048hh210943 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:43:44 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:43:43 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Convert Pills to Cash In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Don't know if anyone brought this up yet. I proposed rule 9. It was the very first proposal... On 2 Jan 2001 rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > Ottis Airhart writes: > > > Wait a minute, the rules state that the *original* proposer has a 50% > > chance of contracting Claustrophobia, not me. > > Oops, you're correct. > > Hmm, I've been a bad Doc. I forgot there were some un-archived > messages before we set up on eGroups, and I deleted them. Who > proposed Rule 9? > > From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 04 00:06:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 08:06:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 53107 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 08:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 08:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 08:06:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f048wW710957 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:58:32 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:58:32 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Trading Post In-Reply-To: <92vrov+9vl2@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Feyd wrote: > ======= Begin Proposal ======================================= > A player may give another player cash or pamplets at any time, as > long as the player has the item in their possession to give. > > A player may never give another player body points, soul points, or > pills [[although certain actions taken by players may result in the > receiving player gaining body, soul, or pills, it is not a gift]]. > > ========= END Text ============================ Why do you prohibit pill transfers? It seems like a perfect opportunity to allow players to give each other pills. The poor addict is forced to constantly beg for pills even though there is no mechanism to give him any. I also like the idea of black market pill exchanges... ;-) From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 04 00:06:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 08:06:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 5812 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 08:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 08:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 08:06:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f048x4o10965 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:59:05 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:59:04 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Repeal Pill Exchange In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010103124640.01a3a4d8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Ottis Airhart wrote: > I propose that in light of recent events such as the adoption of the > Pharmacy and the repeal of Rule 9 that the following actions occur: > > Repeal Rule 15, Pill Exchange: > > On the grounds that the pharmacy may be utilized for the purchase of > necessary pills and that owning pills, at least at this point in the game, > does not harm the player. The Pill Exchange is more work than should be > necessary for the Nurse. Ah... I hope this doesn't get approved. I'm rather fond of the black market we have going for pills... ;-) From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 04 00:09:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 08:09:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 58070 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 08:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 08:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 09:10:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0491cA10977 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:01:38 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:01:38 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend rule 10 with Disease, "Kudosis" In-Reply-To: <92vukt+a33j@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Feyd wrote: > Add the following disease to rule 10: > > Name: Kudosis > Type: Phycosis > Effects/Cure: A player contracts Kudosis if one of their proposals is > accepted by Doc. Upon contracting Kudosis, the player immediately > gains 5 Soul points, not to exceed the maximum. If a player with > Kudosis has a proposal accepted by Doc, the player immediately gains > 7 soul points. > Cure: If a player contracts Fear of Rejection they are cured of > Kudosis. Fear of Rejection is also immediately cured without harming > the patient. Seems your cure section makes Fear of Rejection irrelevant since FoR would be cured immediately after getting FoR. I don't like this at all... From jjweston@pop.net Thu Jan 04 00:31:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@pop.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 08:31:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 72288 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 08:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 08:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net) (198.5.241.87) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 08:31:57 -0000 Received: from picard by mr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.84.211.245]) id QQjwmk19417 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:31:56 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010104003147.010f3e98@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> X-Sender: mail198193@mail198193.popserver.pop.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 00:31:47 -0800 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Ammend Proposals - Judgement Order Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jeff Weston ----- Start Proposal ----- Ammend rule 3 by adding the following sentence to the end of paragraph 3: Proposals must be judged in the order in which they were proposed. ----- End Proposal ----- I find it confusing trying to keep track of which proposals are pending, or have already been judged, if proposals are judged out of order. - - - Jeffrey J. Weston jjweston@pop.net PGP Public Key : http://www.sir-toby.com/personal-key.asc - - - From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Jan 04 01:40:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 09:40:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 20026 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 09:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 09:40:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 09:40:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.4.69] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2001 09:40:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:40:07 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Nurse: Actions Message-ID: <931gdn+k623@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010103124231.01c80ef8@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 589 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > The nurse will not be updating the cgi info until it is > officially accepted as part of the gamestate in place of the egroups > database. At that point, the Nurse shall modify each player's details, [...] Actually, the whole point of the PDP is that there's no *need* for the Nurse to update anything very much. If a Player wants to take or exchange some Pills, they can immediately administer the changes via the PDP, rather than having to email the Nurse requesting such things. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Each household appliance is like a new science in my town." From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Thu Jan 04 01:52:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 09:52:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 96170 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 09:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 09:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 09:52:25 -0000 Received: from lovelace (IDENT:britta@[195.177.177.118]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f049qNe14609 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:52:23 +0100 Message-Id: <200101040952.f049qNe14609@odin.uni-X.net> X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 To: docnomic@egroups.com Reply-To: Britta Koch Subject: Pill exchange X-Mailer: Pronto v2.0.1 Date: 04 Jan 2001 10:56:10 CET From: Britta Koch I I would like to exchange 2 red pills and 2 blue pills for 2 yellow pills. Then, I would like to exchange one of those yellow pills for 2 purple pills. After that, I would like to take one red and one purple pill to cure my agoraphobia. Got that, nurse? (Where's the black market?) Britta From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 07:10:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 15:10:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 25201 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 15:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 15:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 15:10:11 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104151320.QKBS382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:13:20 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104091231.01c53f18@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:12:57 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Trading Post In-Reply-To: References: <92vrov+9vl2@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I agree. I was thinking of trying to establish a black market for pill exchanges, myself... seems like I'm not the only one. At 12:58 AM 1/4/2001 -0800, you wrote: >On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Feyd wrote: > >> ======= Begin Proposal ======================================= >> A player may give another player cash or pamplets at any time, as >> long as the player has the item in their possession to give. >> >> A player may never give another player body points, soul points, or >> pills [[although certain actions taken by players may result in the >> receiving player gaining body, soul, or pills, it is not a gift]]. >> >> ========= END Text ============================ > > Why do you prohibit pill transfers? It seems like a perfect >opportunity to allow players to give each other pills. The poor addict is >forced to constantly beg for pills even though there is no mechanism to >give him any. I also like the idea of black market pill exchanges... ;-) > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Jan 04 07:10:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 15:10:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 27051 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 15:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 15:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 15:10:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.1.38] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2001 15:10:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:10:26 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine (Again) Message-ID: <9323p2+bqb8@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6283 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - 21st Century Medicine (Again) { Reproposed in light of recent changes to the Ruleset. Players are encouraged to update the PDP to include their details *before* this Rule enacts. Doc is free to mete out whatever punishment he sees fit to those who don't. } ------------------------- Enact a new Rule, "The Player Details Page":- The Player Details page (PDP) tracks various aspects of the Gamestate, and is updated and moderated by the Players. Whenever a Rule requires that a relevant piece of the Gamestate be altered, any Player may make that alteration via the PDP (unless a particular Player is specified to make the change, in which case only he or she may do so). All alterations are logged - if any Player feels that an alteration goes against the Rules of DocNomic (as they were at the time of the alteration), he or she may undo the effects of that alteration (unless it was made more than five days ago). If such an undoing is disputed, a Point of Order should be raised. Doc may choose to impose fines of up to 500 Cash, or beatings of up to 120 Body Points damage, for any PDP alterations which are against the Rules. The data presented by the PDP shall be considered to be a legal record of the relevant aspects of the Gamestate, although any corrections to it shall take effect with as much retroactivity as Doc feels appropriate. ------------------------- In Rule 4 ("Publication"), replace the second paragraph with:- Doc must publish the current Ruleset at and parts of the current Gamestate at . Other aspects of the Gamestate may be stored on the Player Details page at No change to the Ruleset or Gamestate shall be considered to have occurred until and unless it is so published. ------------------------- In Rule 11 ("Body, Soul and Cash"), reword the second paragraph to:- Whenever a new Player joins the game, Doc shall give them a hundred Body Points, a thousand Cash Points, and Soul Points equal to the average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). ...and replace "During office hours, every player gains 240 cash points." with "Any Player may collect their Wages if they have not already done so since the most recent Office Hours. Upon doing so, that Player may gain 240 Cash, via the Player Details page." ------------------------- Repeal Rule 14 ("Cures"). To Rule 8 ("Pills"), add the following:- A Player may take or discard a Pill they possess, at any time, via the Player Details page. Whenever a Player takes a Pill, a percentage success rating for each Pill is given in the Change Log; this should be used to determine the Pill's success in whatever effects are specified. (For example, if a Green Pill has a 30% chance of curing a Player of Nasty Cough, a success rating of 30% or less for a Green Pill means that the Player is cured.) In addition to any other effects that Pills may have on Players, they also affect Body and Health Points, as follows: Yellow Gain 2 soul, 2 body Red Gain 1 soul, 2 body Blue Gain 1 soul, 1 body Green Gain 0 soul, 1 body Purple Gain 1 soul, -1 body (These effects are applied automatically by the Player Details page.) To the Disease "A Bit of a Cough", add:- If a Player takes a Green Pill, and also took a Green Pill between the previous two Office Hours, that Player is cured of this Disease. In the Disease "Fear of Rejection", replace "Whenever a player with this disease has one of their proposals accepted, they are immediately cured." with "Whenever a Player with this Disease has one of their Proposals accepted, or takes a Purple Pill, they are immediately cured." Enact a new Rule, "Death":- If a Player's Body Points or Soul Points are zero, that Player is Dead and may take no further part in the current Round. ------------------------- Reword Rule 15 ("Pill Exchange") to:- Certain Pills may be swapped for others. Any Player may use the Player Details page to exchange some of their own Pills for other Pills (losing some Pills, then gaining others), at the following rates:- * Two Green Pills may be exchanged for one Red Pill. * One Red Pill and one Blue Pill may be exchanged for one Yellow Pill. * One Yellow Pill may be exchanged for two Purple Pills. ------------------------- Reword Rule 16 ("Nurse") to:- The Nurse assists Doc in the running of the Hospital. The name of the Player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of the Gamestate. At any time the Nurse may, unless he or she has done so already since the most recent Office Hours, raid the pharmacy to gain three Green Pills, 2 Soul Points and 5 Body Points. If at any time the Nurse is unable to fulfill his or her role, or that Player wishes to vacate the office, Doc must choose a new Nurse to take over. { Sadly, this job becomes almost entirely obsolete in the face of modern technology. } ------------------------- Reword Rule 17 ("Deliberate Contagion") to:- A Player with an Airborne Disease may, at any time, pay 5 Soul and 5 Body Points to give that Disease to another Player. { Simplification. I may pad it back out if I add a "Cough" action to the PDP. } ------------------------- Reword the first paragraph of Rule 24 ("Pharmacy") to:- The Pharmacy sells pharmaceutical items to players for Cash. Any Player may, at any time, buy the following items at the given costs. { No need for an actual Pharmacist any more. And pamphlets may be added to the PDP if they start having an effect. } ------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 07:11:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 15:11:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 38965 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 15:11:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 15:11:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 15:11:25 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104151432.QKGP382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:14:32 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104091316.01b537c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:14:10 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Repeal Pill Exchange In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20010103124640.01a3a4d8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Problem with this is that it is not a true EXCHANGE between players... it is an exchange, essentially, with the pharmacy. I want to get this rule repealed, have the trading post pass, then amend it to allow pill changes between PLAYERS. At 12:59 AM 1/4/2001 -0800, you wrote: >On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Ottis Airhart wrote: > >> I propose that in light of recent events such as the adoption of the >> Pharmacy and the repeal of Rule 9 that the following actions occur: >> >> Repeal Rule 15, Pill Exchange: >> >> On the grounds that the pharmacy may be utilized for the purchase of >> necessary pills and that owning pills, at least at this point in the game, >> does not harm the player. The Pill Exchange is more work than should be >> necessary for the Nurse. > > > Ah... I hope this doesn't get approved. I'm rather fond of the >black market we have going for pills... ;-) > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 07:15:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 15:15:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 42968 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 15:15:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 15:15:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 15:15:39 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104151848.QKXR382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:18:48 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104091755.01ba9ef8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:18:22 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Pill exchange In-Reply-To: <200101040952.f049qNe14609@odin.uni-X.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Done. Britta gained 2 soul and 1 body and is no longer an agoraphobe At 10:56 AM 1/4/2001 +0100, you wrote: >I I would like to exchange 2 red pills and 2 blue pills for 2 yellow pills. >Then, I would like to exchange one of those yellow pills for 2 purple pills. >After that, I would like to take one red and one purple pill to cure my >agoraphobia. > >Got that, nurse? > >(Where's the black market?) > >Britta > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 04 07:17:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 15:17:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 6087 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 15:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 15:17:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 15:17:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.111] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2001 15:17:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:17:42 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine (Again) Message-ID: <93246m+2eda@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9323p2+bqb8@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 505 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Proposal - 21st Century Medicine (Again) > > { Reproposed in light of recent changes to the Ruleset. Players > are encouraged to update the PDP to include their details > *before* this Rule enacts. Doc is free to mete out whatever > punishment he sees fit to those who don't. } > Surely you aren't suggesting that Doc punish players for not following a PROPOSAL? Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Jan 04 07:18:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 15:18:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 51448 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 15:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 15:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 15:18:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.99] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2001 15:18:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:18:12 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Sore Throat Message-ID: <93247k+7h53@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 516 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Sore Throat Create a new Disease in Rule 10:- Sore Throat (Airborne) If a Player has a Sore Throat, they may only take Blue Pills (known for their anaesthetic qualities), unless they have taken a Blue Pill during the past hour, in which case they may take any Pills. If a Player takes three Blue Pills at once, he or she is cured of this Disease. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 07:26:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 15:26:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 34305 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 15:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 15:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 16:27:22 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104152925.QMRW382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:29:25 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104092159.01bc2da0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:28:55 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: 21st Century Medicine (Again) In-Reply-To: <9323p2+bqb8@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I'm not a true fan of this in total... first, I think that it will be VERY difficult for new players to join the game... I think getting rid of most of the Nurse's duties (pill taking etc) is very good. BUT, I think getting rid of the Pharmacist is a mistake. I think that position (regardless of who holds it) should remain the sole method for BUYING new pills. If a black market is established, then players should be able to exchange pills between each other, but not with the pharmacy, on their own. I also think that it would be neat to see the Pharmacy only operate during "certain hours" (say only on weekends or something like that) which would encourage the black market if established. Doc, in my humble opinion (IMHO), I would like to see this proposal passed but I would like to encourage you to in your omnipotent power to not include the Pharmacist changes. I would also encourage you to remain in control of the "paycheck" every month since the money is become the primary source of income for players. I don't think a game COMPLETELY run by the players is always good. Having a few people with responsibility who are active players promotes positive game play. I would also encourage you to only accept this with the stipulation that pill exchanges be between PLAYERS not with the pharmacy or nurse. Just my opinion. Ottis. At 03:10 PM 1/4/2001 +0000, you wrote: >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Proposal - 21st Century Medicine (Again) > >{ Reproposed in light of recent changes to the Ruleset. Players > are encouraged to update the PDP to include their details > *before* this Rule enacts. Doc is free to mete out whatever > punishment he sees fit to those who don't. } > > ------------------------- > >Enact a new Rule, "The Player Details Page":- > > The Player Details page (PDP) tracks various aspects of the > Gamestate, and is updated and moderated by the Players. > Whenever a Rule requires that a relevant piece of the > Gamestate be altered, any Player may make that alteration > via the PDP (unless a particular Player is specified to > make the change, in which case only he or she may do so). > > All alterations are logged - if any Player feels that an > alteration goes against the Rules of DocNomic (as they were > at the time of the alteration), he or she may undo the > effects of that alteration (unless it was made more than > five days ago). If such an undoing is disputed, a Point of > Order should be raised. > > Doc may choose to impose fines of up to 500 Cash, or beatings > of up to 120 Body Points damage, for any PDP alterations which > are against the Rules. > > The data presented by the PDP shall be considered to be a legal > record of the relevant aspects of the Gamestate, although any > corrections to it shall take effect with as much retroactivity > as Doc feels appropriate. > > ------------------------- > >In Rule 4 ("Publication"), replace the second paragraph with:- > > Doc must publish the current Ruleset at > > and parts of the current Gamestate at > >. > Other aspects of the Gamestate may be stored on the Player > Details page at > No change to the Ruleset or Gamestate shall be considered to have > occurred until and unless it is so published. > > ------------------------- > >In Rule 11 ("Body, Soul and Cash"), reword the second paragraph to:- > > Whenever a new Player joins the game, Doc shall give them a hundred > Body Points, a thousand Cash Points, and Soul Points equal to the > average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). > >...and replace "During office hours, every player gains 240 cash >points." with "Any Player may collect their Wages if they have not >already done so since the most recent Office Hours. Upon doing so, >that Player may gain 240 Cash, via the Player Details page." > > ------------------------- > >Repeal Rule 14 ("Cures"). > >To Rule 8 ("Pills"), add the following:- > > A Player may take or discard a Pill they possess, at any time, > via the Player Details page. Whenever a Player takes a Pill, a > percentage success rating for each Pill is given in the Change > Log; this should be used to determine the Pill's success in > whatever effects are specified. (For example, if a Green Pill > has a 30% chance of curing a Player of Nasty Cough, a success > rating of 30% or less for a Green Pill means that the Player > is cured.) > > In addition to any other effects that Pills may have on Players, > they also affect Body and Health Points, as follows: > > Yellow Gain 2 soul, 2 body > Red Gain 1 soul, 2 body > Blue Gain 1 soul, 1 body > Green Gain 0 soul, 1 body > Purple Gain 1 soul, -1 body > > (These effects are applied automatically by the Player Details > page.) > >To the Disease "A Bit of a Cough", add:- > > If a Player takes a Green Pill, and also took a Green Pill > between the previous two Office Hours, that Player is cured > of this Disease. > >In the Disease "Fear of Rejection", replace "Whenever a player >with this disease has one of their proposals accepted, they are >immediately cured." with "Whenever a Player with this Disease >has one of their Proposals accepted, or takes a Purple Pill, >they are immediately cured." > >Enact a new Rule, "Death":- > > If a Player's Body Points or Soul Points are zero, that Player > is Dead and may take no further part in the current Round. > > ------------------------- > >Reword Rule 15 ("Pill Exchange") to:- > > Certain Pills may be swapped for others. Any Player may use the > Player Details page to exchange some of their own Pills for > other Pills (losing some Pills, then gaining others), at the > following rates:- > > * Two Green Pills may be exchanged for one Red Pill. > * One Red Pill and one Blue Pill may be exchanged for one > Yellow Pill. > * One Yellow Pill may be exchanged for two Purple Pills. > > ------------------------- > >Reword Rule 16 ("Nurse") to:- > > The Nurse assists Doc in the running of the Hospital. The name > of the Player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of > the Gamestate. > > At any time the Nurse may, unless he or she has done so already > since the most recent Office Hours, raid the pharmacy to gain > three Green Pills, 2 Soul Points and 5 Body Points. > > If at any time the Nurse is unable to fulfill his or her role, > or that Player wishes to vacate the office, Doc must choose a > new Nurse to take over. > >{ Sadly, this job becomes almost entirely obsolete in the face of > modern technology. } > > ------------------------- > >Reword Rule 17 ("Deliberate Contagion") to:- > > A Player with an Airborne Disease may, at any time, pay 5 Soul > and 5 Body Points to give that Disease to another Player. > >{ Simplification. I may pad it back out if I add a "Cough" action > to the PDP. } > > ------------------------- > >Reword the first paragraph of Rule 24 ("Pharmacy") to:- > >The Pharmacy sells pharmaceutical items to players for Cash. Any >Player may, at any time, buy the following items at the given costs. > >{ No need for an actual Pharmacist any more. And pamphlets may be > added to the PDP if they start having an effect. } > > ------------------------- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Jan 04 07:31:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 15:31:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 7322 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 15:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 15:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 16:32:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.116] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2001 15:31:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:31:46 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine (Again) Message-ID: <932512+kuhk@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <93246m+2eda@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 740 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > Proposal - 21st Century Medicine (Again) > > > > { Reproposed in light of recent changes to the Ruleset. Players > > are encouraged to update the PDP to include their details > > *before* this Rule enacts. Doc is free to mete out whatever > > punishment he sees fit to those who don't. } > > Surely you aren't suggesting that Doc punish players for not > following a PROPOSAL? I'm only underlining his earlier comments on the matter; I would have thought it was fairly obvious to everyone, by now, that Doc is in favour of the PDP being used to automate the Gamestate, and that a Proposal to start using it is going to pass at some point in the near future. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Resistance is useless." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 07:34:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 15:34:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 29602 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 15:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 15:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 15:34:16 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104153725.QOBZ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:37:25 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104092955.0145b230@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:37:02 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Request For Comments In-Reply-To: <93247k+7h53@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart In light of the upcoming PDP, I am REALLY starting to like the idea of keeping all diseases, effect, stipulations, and cures in the egroups database where players may make changes, search, etc. It could be maintained by the Epidemiologist. What would players (and Doc) think about making the Epidemiologist in charge of disease approval? It seems fitting. If people like this idea, I'll make a proposal to change the disease and cure listing to the database and then have the Epidemiologist approve and maintain that database. I think if we divy out some more responsibility, the game could flow more. If Doc handles rule changes, the E. (Epidemiologist) handles disease maintenance, the Nurse handles operations when Doc can't, the Psychiatrist handles curing Psychosis, the Pharmacist handles pill purchases, and we could come up with a banker if we wish to handle the money every week. Ottis At 03:18 PM 1/4/2001 +0000, you wrote: >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Proposal - Sore Throat > >Create a new Disease in Rule 10:- > >Sore Throat (Airborne) > If a Player has a Sore Throat, they may only take Blue Pills > (known for their anaesthetic qualities), unless they have taken > a Blue Pill during the past hour, in which case they may take > any Pills. > If a Player takes three Blue Pills at once, he or she is cured > of this Disease. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Jan 04 07:40:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 15:40:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 27582 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 15:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 15:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 15:40:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.67] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2001 15:40:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:40:18 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine (Again) Message-ID: <9325h2+gvqj@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010104092159.01bc2da0@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1390 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > I'm not a true fan of this in total... first, I think that it will be VERY > difficult for new players to join the game... Hm, I don't think so. New player announces themselves, someone puts their stats up, I give them a password. No different to having to have someone update the eGroups database. If anything it makes life easier because the new player doesn't have to learn who and how to ask for various things. Or am I missing something? > I think getting rid of most > of the Nurse's duties (pill taking etc) is very good. BUT, I think getting > rid of the Pharmacist is a mistake. I think that position (regardless of > who holds it) should remain the sole method for BUYING new pills. I'm afraid I don't see how asking the Pharmacist to swap 40 Cash for a Yellow Pill is any different to asking a cgi-script. > I also think > that it would be neat to see the Pharmacy only operate during "certain > hours" (say only on weekends or something like that) which would encourage > the black market if established. Possibly, although something like weekends would be unfair for people who only have Internet access through work. But even so, it's not a problem with the PDP - any purchases made during the week would just be considered illegal. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I've been in a mental hospital, but I don't like to talk about it, all the same." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 07:52:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 15:52:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 78185 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 15:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 15:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 15:51:58 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104155507.QRAB382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:55:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104094449.01beae10@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:54:44 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine (Again) In-Reply-To: <9325h2+gvqj@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20010104092159.01bc2da0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart What I was actually referring to is that new players will have an even steeper learning curve to start playing an already complex game (at least to an outsider). I want the PDP... trust me... I don't think we can get around the new player problems. We might need someone to help them get started though... and don't say the Nurse (heh heh). Concerning the Pharmacy hours, I was thinking that players can request pill purchases anytime they wish, just that the Pharmacy only FILLS requests, for instance, only between 5pm Friday and 8am Monday inclusive so that there is an encouragement for player exchange it also keeps INSTANT cures to be not as INSTANT. I don't think there is much fun in players contracting diseases and in some cases being able to cure them within 5 minutes of infection. There might could be more of a demand than supply of curing pills, at least until the pharmacist can fill them. If Doc's office hours are on Thursday, and the Pharmacy was open on Friday then players who were infected Thursday by Doc's dirty needles, ahem, I mean, by Doc's.... well, whatever he has that can make people sick, then it would be interesting. Maybe the Pharmacy should be open on Wednesdays. The PDP could even handle that! Players could only buy pills from the pharmacy on a certain day of the week. nah. The pharmacist should hand out pills. > >Possibly, although something like weekends would be unfair for people >who only have Internet access through work. But even so, it's not a >problem with the PDP - any purchases made during the week would just >be considered illegal. > >Kevan > From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 04 08:48:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 16:48:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 73018 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 16:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 16:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 16:47:55 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.93] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2001 16:47:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:47:47 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Request For Comments Message-ID: <9329fj+ctui@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010104092955.0145b230@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1072 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: "Feyd " Cool Idea. I think you should go for it. some Comments: Who gives pills for Proposed diseases that are accepted? (or should we make that a standard "2 green" or something since disease rules are pretty stadard by now?). While each expert has their own area, should other experts be able to gang up? For example, if the Epidemiologist refuses to approve a disease, could the Nurse, Pharmacist, Psychologist vote to override? Hm, maybe that would be better as an amendment than part of the initial rule.... I like the way this divvies up duties while keeping clearly responsible entities. --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > In light of the upcoming PDP, I am REALLY starting to like the idea of > keeping all diseases, effect, stipulations, and cures in the egroups > database where players may make changes, search, etc. It could be > maintained by the Epidemiologist. > > What would players (and Doc) think about making the Epidemiologist in > charge of disease approval? It seems fitting. If people like this idea, From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 04 12:07:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 20:07:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 71000 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 20:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 21:08:38 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0086D7B3@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:07:32 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA06849; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:07:30 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Convert Pills to Cash References: Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:07:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:43:43 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Don't know if anyone brought this up yet. I proposed rule 9. It > was the very first proposal... OK, so it was Jeff who got Claustrophobia, gained 5 SPs, and then had it cured by getting Agoraphobia. Gamestate adjusted. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 04 12:11:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 20:11:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 11638 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 20:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 20:11:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0086D91B@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:11:35 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA07308; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:11:34 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Brain Dead disease References: <4.1.20010103095819.01cefdb8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:11:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:32:41 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 36 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose the following addition to diseases: > > Brain Dead (Physical, Psychosis) > A player is "Brain Dead" when they appear to not be able to function as a > knowledgeable player. When declared Brain Dead, the player shall lose 5 > body points and 5 soul points. If a player is already Brain Dead and > performs an action that would declare them Brain Dead again, they shall > lose 2 soul points. > > Whenever a Brain Dead player sends a message to the mailing list, the first > line of text must include a question asking why they are Brain Dead. > > The following methods may afflict a player with the Brain Dead disease: > > - Failure to follow the playing rules of a disease currently associated > with that player. > - Requesting to take a pill which e does not possess > - Answering a Brain Dead player's question as to why they are Brain Dead. > > The cure for the Brain Dead disease is an operation that may be operated on > by the Doc or Nurse for 250 cash points followed by a session with the > Psychiatrist. After the operation, the status of the disease shall be > labelled "(dormant)" until the session with the Psychiatrist is complete. REJECTED. First, this seems unduly harsh. For example, the Addict already gets punished for not asking for pills; this proposal would compound that punishment by hitting the Addict with yet another disease. Second, the mandatory question on each message doesn't appeal to me. I find such requirements tedious, not interesting. Ottis gets FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 04 12:16:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 20:16:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 78366 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 20:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 20:16:47 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0086DA4E@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:16:46 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA08191; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:16:44 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Trading Post References: <92vrov+9vl2@eGroups.com> Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:16:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:41:35 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > ======= Begin Proposal ======================================= > A player may give another player cash or pamplets at any time, as > long as the player has the item in their possession to give. > > A player may never give another player body points, soul points, or > pills [[although certain actions taken by players may result in the > receiving player gaining body, soul, or pills, it is not a gift]]. > > ========= END Text ============================ > *cough* ACCEPTED. This creates Rule 26. Phobia check: Jim, Mark, and Ottis lose 5 SPs. Britta, Jeff, Jon, Kevan have 26% chance of getting A-phobia: 4 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.266937255859375 0.33587646484375 0.42498779296875 0.380462646484375 No one does. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 12:20:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 20:20:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 40774 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 20:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 21:21:24 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104202327.SNJJ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:23:27 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104142218.012a02a0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:23:05 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: 1/4/01 (a) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Ottis has taken two purple and one red curing him of Agoraphobia and Fear of Rejection. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 04 12:20:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 20:20:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 16543 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 20:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 20:20:53 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0086DA77@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:20:51 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA08612; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:20:50 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Repeal Pill Exchange References: <4.1.20010103124640.01a3a4d8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:20:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:04:21 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose that in light of recent events such as the adoption of the > Pharmacy and the repeal of Rule 9 that the following actions occur: > > Repeal Rule 15, Pill Exchange: ACCEPTED. Phobia check: Jim, Mark, and Ottis gain 5 SPs. Mark (proposer of Rule 15) has a 50% chance of getting Claustrophobia: 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.6572265625 He doesn't. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 12:21:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 20:21:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 10902 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 20:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 20:21:54 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104202458.SNPS382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:24:58 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104142402.012e9530@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:24:36 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Trading Post In-Reply-To: References: <"Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:41:35 -0000"> <92vrov+9vl2@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Shouldn't Rule 26 be the Blood Bank? At 03:16 PM 1/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: >"Feyd " writes: > >> ======= Begin Proposal ======================================= >> A player may give another player cash or pamplets at any time, as >> long as the player has the item in their possession to give. >> >> A player may never give another player body points, soul points, or >> pills [[although certain actions taken by players may result in the >> receiving player gaining body, soul, or pills, it is not a gift]]. >> >> ========= END Text ============================ >> *cough* > >ACCEPTED. > >This creates Rule 26. > >Phobia check: > >Jim, Mark, and Ottis lose 5 SPs. > >Britta, Jeff, Jon, Kevan have 26% chance of getting A-phobia: > >4 random reals 0 < x < 1: >0.266937255859375 >0.33587646484375 >0.42498779296875 >0.380462646484375 > >No one does. > >-- >- Doc > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 04 12:23:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 20:23:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 2447 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 20:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 20:23:31 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0086DAA5@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:23:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA08962; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:23:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Repeal Pill Exchange References: <4.1.20010103124640.01a3a4d8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:23:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:04:21 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose that in light of recent events such as the adoption of the > Pharmacy and the repeal of Rule 9 that the following actions occur: > > Repeal Rule 15, Pill Exchange: > > On the grounds that the pharmacy may be utilized for the purchase of > necessary pills and that owning pills, at least at this point in the game, > does not harm the player. The Pill Exchange is more work than should be > necessary for the Nurse. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com Oh yes: 1 green, 1 red for Feyd; 1 green for Ottis. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 04 12:26:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 20:26:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 28105 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 20:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 20:26:28 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0086DACB@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:26:27 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA09198; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:26:26 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Miasma References: <92vu9u+6jil@eGroups.com> Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:26:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:24:46 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > [[ Golly, we have so many ways to heal diseases, but not much > sickness. BORING. We need sickness!]] > > ============ BEGIN TEXT OF PROPOSAL ========================= > > Do the the contageous nature of the game, Doc will take perform the > following actions during the Office Hours: > > For Each Airborne Disease, doc will select two players at random. > There is a 25% chance the each player will contract the airborne > disease. > > Doc will select randomly select one player and one non-airborne > disease. The player will contract this disease. > ================= END TEXT ================================= I *think* Feyd intended this as a new rule (it'd help if you said whether it's a new rule or an amendment), but I take the liberty of considering it an amendment to the Diseases rule. ACCEPTED. 1 green, 1 red. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 04 12:29:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 20:29:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 38598 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 20:29:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 20:29:56 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0086DB08@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:29:55 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA09514; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:29:54 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend rule 10 with Disease, "Kudosis" References: <92vukt+a33j@eGroups.com> Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:29:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:30:37 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Feyd " writes: > Add the following disease to rule 10: > > Name: Kudosis > Type: Phycosis > Effects/Cure: A player contracts Kudosis if one of their proposals is > accepted by Doc. Upon contracting Kudosis, the player immediately > gains 5 Soul points, not to exceed the maximum. If a player with > Kudosis has a proposal accepted by Doc, the player immediately gains > 7 soul points. > Cure: If a player contracts Fear of Rejection they are cured of > Kudosis. Fear of Rejection is also immediately cured without harming > the patient. > > Feyd REJECTED. This isn't a disease -- it has no ill effects. It's a perk by another name. Feyd has FoR. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 12:36:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 20:36:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 45869 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:36:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 20:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 20:36:03 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104203911.SQDE382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:39:11 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104143720.0130bc48@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:38:49 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend Trading Post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose the following amendment to the Trading Post rule: A player may give another player cash, pills, or pamplets at any time, as long as the player has the item in their possession to give. A player may never give another player body points or soul points. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 04 12:40:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 20:40:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 57883 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 20:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 20:39:47 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0086DBB6@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:39:45 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA11079; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:39:44 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Trading Post References: <"Feyd "'s message of "Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:41:35 -0000"> <92vrov+9vl2@eGroups.com> <4.1.20010104142402.012e9530@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:39:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:24:36 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Shouldn't Rule 26 be the Blood Bank? Arrrrrrrgggh. Yes. Trading Post is Rule 27, so probability is 27%, so Britta *does* get A-phobia. > >Britta, Jeff, Jon, Kevan have 26% chance of getting A-phobia: > > > >4 random reals 0 < x < 1: > >0.266937255859375 > >0.33587646484375 > >0.42498779296875 > >0.380462646484375 -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 04 12:43:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 20:43:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 83288 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 20:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 20:42:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0086DBE0@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:42:41 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA11347; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:42:40 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: 21st Century Medicine (Again) References: <9323p2+bqb8@eGroups.com> Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:42:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:10:26 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 195 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - 21st Century Medicine (Again) > > { Reproposed in light of recent changes to the Ruleset. Players > are encouraged to update the PDP to include their details > *before* this Rule enacts. Doc is free to mete out whatever > punishment he sees fit to those who don't. } > > ------------------------- > > Enact a new Rule, "The Player Details Page":- > > The Player Details page (PDP) tracks various aspects of the > Gamestate, and is updated and moderated by the Players. > Whenever a Rule requires that a relevant piece of the > Gamestate be altered, any Player may make that alteration > via the PDP (unless a particular Player is specified to > make the change, in which case only he or she may do so). > > All alterations are logged - if any Player feels that an > alteration goes against the Rules of DocNomic (as they were > at the time of the alteration), he or she may undo the > effects of that alteration (unless it was made more than > five days ago). If such an undoing is disputed, a Point of > Order should be raised. > > Doc may choose to impose fines of up to 500 Cash, or beatings > of up to 120 Body Points damage, for any PDP alterations which > are against the Rules. > > The data presented by the PDP shall be considered to be a legal > record of the relevant aspects of the Gamestate, although any > corrections to it shall take effect with as much retroactivity > as Doc feels appropriate. > > ------------------------- > > In Rule 4 ("Publication"), replace the second paragraph with:- > > Doc must publish the current Ruleset at > > and parts of the current Gamestate at > > . > Other aspects of the Gamestate may be stored on the Player > Details page at > No change to the Ruleset or Gamestate shall be considered to have > occurred until and unless it is so published. > > ------------------------- > > In Rule 11 ("Body, Soul and Cash"), reword the second paragraph to:- > > Whenever a new Player joins the game, Doc shall give them a hundred > Body Points, a thousand Cash Points, and Soul Points equal to the > average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). > > ...and replace "During office hours, every player gains 240 cash > points." with "Any Player may collect their Wages if they have not > already done so since the most recent Office Hours. Upon doing so, > that Player may gain 240 Cash, via the Player Details page." > > ------------------------- > > Repeal Rule 14 ("Cures"). > > To Rule 8 ("Pills"), add the following:- > > A Player may take or discard a Pill they possess, at any time, > via the Player Details page. Whenever a Player takes a Pill, a > percentage success rating for each Pill is given in the Change > Log; this should be used to determine the Pill's success in > whatever effects are specified. (For example, if a Green Pill > has a 30% chance of curing a Player of Nasty Cough, a success > rating of 30% or less for a Green Pill means that the Player > is cured.) > > In addition to any other effects that Pills may have on Players, > they also affect Body and Health Points, as follows: > > Yellow Gain 2 soul, 2 body > Red Gain 1 soul, 2 body > Blue Gain 1 soul, 1 body > Green Gain 0 soul, 1 body > Purple Gain 1 soul, -1 body > > (These effects are applied automatically by the Player Details > page.) > > To the Disease "A Bit of a Cough", add:- > > If a Player takes a Green Pill, and also took a Green Pill > between the previous two Office Hours, that Player is cured > of this Disease. > > In the Disease "Fear of Rejection", replace "Whenever a player > with this disease has one of their proposals accepted, they are > immediately cured." with "Whenever a Player with this Disease > has one of their Proposals accepted, or takes a Purple Pill, > they are immediately cured." > > Enact a new Rule, "Death":- > > If a Player's Body Points or Soul Points are zero, that Player > is Dead and may take no further part in the current Round. > > ------------------------- > > Reword Rule 15 ("Pill Exchange") to:- > > Certain Pills may be swapped for others. Any Player may use the > Player Details page to exchange some of their own Pills for > other Pills (losing some Pills, then gaining others), at the > following rates:- > > * Two Green Pills may be exchanged for one Red Pill. > * One Red Pill and one Blue Pill may be exchanged for one > Yellow Pill. > * One Yellow Pill may be exchanged for two Purple Pills. > > ------------------------- > > Reword Rule 16 ("Nurse") to:- > > The Nurse assists Doc in the running of the Hospital. The name > of the Player who holds the office of Nurse shall be part of > the Gamestate. > > At any time the Nurse may, unless he or she has done so already > since the most recent Office Hours, raid the pharmacy to gain > three Green Pills, 2 Soul Points and 5 Body Points. > > If at any time the Nurse is unable to fulfill his or her role, > or that Player wishes to vacate the office, Doc must choose a > new Nurse to take over. > > { Sadly, this job becomes almost entirely obsolete in the face of > modern technology. } > > ------------------------- > > Reword Rule 17 ("Deliberate Contagion") to:- > > A Player with an Airborne Disease may, at any time, pay 5 Soul > and 5 Body Points to give that Disease to another Player. > > { Simplification. I may pad it back out if I add a "Cough" action > to the PDP. } > > ------------------------- > > Reword the first paragraph of Rule 24 ("Pharmacy") to:- > > The Pharmacy sells pharmaceutical items to players for Cash. Any > Player may, at any time, buy the following items at the given costs. > > { No need for an actual Pharmacist any more. And pamphlets may be > added to the PDP if they start having an effect. } > > ------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > ACCEPTED. 1 green, 1 red. This creates Rule 28. Phobia check: Britta, Jim, and Mark lose 5 SPs. Feyd, Jeff, Jon, and Ottis have 28% chance of getting A-phobia: 4 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.24102783203125 0.20782470703125 0.64508056640625 0.74871826171875 Feyd and Jeff do. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 12:57:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 20:57:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 57527 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 20:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 20:55:14 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104205823.STNX382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:58:23 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104145544.0131be78@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:58:01 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Pill Database Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart The Nurse has created a very non-official Pill Database at the following address: http://www.egroups.com/database/DocNomic Feel free to peruse its bowels to discover the value of each pill color according to the rules as of this moment. I will attempt to keep it up to date as a reference for those people wishing to understand how to cure a disease or what total effect a pill may have when taken. As the Nurse it has been a very valuable tool when administering pills. Ottis From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 04 13:04:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 21:04:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 56277 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 21:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 21:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 21:02:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0086DD80@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:02:42 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA13593; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:02:41 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: 21st Century Medicine (Again) References: <9323p2+bqb8@eGroups.com> Date: 04 Jan 2001 16:02:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:10:26 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 41 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu I altered a few of the things (by implicit Proclamation) in implementing this proposal. kevan@somethingorother.com writes: [...] > In Rule 4 ("Publication"), replace the second paragraph with:- > > Doc must publish the current Ruleset at > > and parts of the current Gamestate at > > . > Other aspects of the Gamestate may be stored on the Player > Details page at > No change to the Ruleset or Gamestate shall be considered to have > occurred until and unless it is so published. I left in a mention of the eGroups databases, since that's where the Blood Bank gamestate is kept. I re-ordered things a little, and I took "or Gamestate" out of that last sentence. The omission was deliberate in the first place. I don't want rule changes to take effect until they're published, but I want gamestate changes to take effect immediately -- if you want reasons I can give you a longer discussion. > Enact a new Rule, "Death":- > > If a Player's Body Points or Soul Points are zero, that Player > is Dead and may take no further part in the current Round. This seemed much more natural as an amendment to the "Body, Soul, and Cash" rule. > Reword Rule 15 ("Pill Exchange") to:- Rule 15 was just repealed, so this was ignored. -- - Doc From jjweston@pop.net Thu Jan 04 13:27:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 21:27:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 63403 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 21:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 21:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 22:28:20 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id OAA46162; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:27:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:27:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200101042127.OAA46162@www.irony.com> To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd's Blood Test, first is disease, second is chance X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Feyd's Blood Test, first is disease, second is chance docnomic@egroups.com requested that 2 rolls of a 100-sided die be rolled. The lowest die for each roll won't be counted. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 67. Roll 2: 64. Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOlTqrryfeleUG9SNAQH58wH+Mrtja5nWM//y+9x8Y+iMyWruIeaSSOtm xrVVEIaX9bvFjXuTPy72qzXT91G/742X7REHiE94Q+OZ/RPNvrJizw== =XFfj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 13:48:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 21:48:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 562 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 21:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 21:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 21:47:31 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104215040.TCWY382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:50:40 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104152647.01363400@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:50:17 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Blood Test: Feyd (requested by the Epidemiologist) In-Reply-To: <9309th+mskt@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart a 67 means he may contract a Nasty Cough. Feyd's Body Points = 104 divided by 2 is 52 subtracted from 100 = 48. So Feyd has a 48% chance of contracting a disease. His results was a 64... so he did not contract the disease. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 13:54:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: Docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 21:54:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 46115 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 21:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 21:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 21:54:37 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104215746.TEEJ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:57:46 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104155143.0130f988@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:57:24 -0600 To: Docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Blood Test: All Players Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart The Nurse (as an officer) is requesting for a blood test on all players (except Feyd who had his). The reason for the blood test is so that there shall be no cost involved in the blood test for blood donation. I recommend to all players that once the blood tests are completed (you'll see the email), that you donate your pint of blood for the month (every four office hours events). Watch the Blood Bank database at egroups for blood bank changes and blood test results. Any changes or recommendations to the method used in the database should be mentioned soon so that changes can be made before it gets too much data. Nurse Ottis From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 04 14:28:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 22:28:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 80480 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 22:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 22:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 22:28:12 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0086E57D@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:28:12 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA21940; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:28:11 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Request For Comments References: <4.1.20010104092955.0145b230@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 04 Jan 2001 17:28:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:37:02 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > In light of the upcoming PDP, I am REALLY starting to like the idea of > keeping all diseases, effect, stipulations, and cures in the egroups > database where players may make changes, search, etc. It could be > maintained by the Epidemiologist. > > What would players (and Doc) think about making the Epidemiologist in > charge of disease approval? It seems fitting. If people like this idea, > I'll make a proposal to change the disease and cure listing to the database > and then have the Epidemiologist approve and maintain that database. > Ottis I'm against it... I don't see that the PDP alters the previous arguments on the subject. Diseases are naturally a part of the ruleset; having them separate would be tantamount to having two separate rulesets, one covering diseases and one "everything else", with two different procedures for enacting rules (diseases). It would complicate any situations where a rule that otherwise ought to be in the regular ruleset also affects or is affected by a particular disease, thus having to straddle both rulesets. > I > think if we divy out some more responsibility, the game could flow more. If > Doc handles rule changes, the E. (Epidemiologist) handles disease > maintenance, the Nurse handles operations when Doc can't, the Psychiatrist > handles curing Psychosis, the Pharmacist handles pill purchases, and we > could come up with a banker if we wish to handle the money every week. But I do agree spreading the responsibility is a Good Thing. I'd be happy to unload responsibility for e.g. determining who gets which disease when, tracking cures, etc. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 04 14:41:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 22:41:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 23187 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 22:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 22:41:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 22:41:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.98] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2001 22:41:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 22:41:08 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Request For Comments Message-ID: <932u64+7ukd@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2369 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " Ottis, You could change it to: "Only the Epidemiologist may make Proposals which affect Rule 10. Any player may send a message to the Epidemiologist asking him to propose a new disease." That would keep things the way they are, and then Doc only has to rubber stamp what the Epidemiologist choses to propose. The Epidemiologist may get FoR (but unlikely if e's doing es job). It would help trim the number of proposals to the Doc at lease. Doc, if you think this is a better idea then maybe Otis and I can take it to private email and work out the kinks? Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > Ottis Airhart writes: > > > In light of the upcoming PDP, I am REALLY starting to like the idea of > > keeping all diseases, effect, stipulations, and cures in the egroups > > database where players may make changes, search, etc. It could be > > maintained by the Epidemiologist. > > > > What would players (and Doc) think about making the Epidemiologist in > > charge of disease approval? It seems fitting. If people like this idea, > > I'll make a proposal to change the disease and cure listing to the database > > and then have the Epidemiologist approve and maintain that database. > > Ottis > > I'm against it... I don't see that the PDP alters the previous > arguments on the subject. Diseases are naturally a part of the > ruleset; having them separate would be tantamount to having two > separate rulesets, one covering diseases and one "everything else", > with two different procedures for enacting rules (diseases). It would > complicate any situations where a rule that otherwise ought to be in > the regular ruleset also affects or is affected by a particular > disease, thus having to straddle both rulesets. > > > I > > think if we divy out some more responsibility, the game could flow more. If > > Doc handles rule changes, the E. (Epidemiologist) handles disease > > maintenance, the Nurse handles operations when Doc can't, the Psychiatrist > > handles curing Psychosis, the Pharmacist handles pill purchases, and we > > could come up with a banker if we wish to handle the money every week. > > But I do agree spreading the responsibility is a Good Thing. I'd be > happy to unload responsibility for e.g. determining who gets which > disease when, tracking cures, etc. > > -- > - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 04 14:45:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 22:45:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 37060 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 22:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 22:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 23:46:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.98] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2001 22:45:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 22:45:14 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse: I would like to donate Blood Message-ID: <932udq+jbmo@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 04 14:50:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 22:50:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 40016 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 22:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 22:50:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c9.egroups.com) (10.1.2.66) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 22:50:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.1.35] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2001 22:50:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 22:50:33 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: REQUEST TO DOC: Please schedule therapy Session! Message-ID: <932unp+e8fl@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 15:46:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 23:46:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 26315 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 23:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 23:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 23:46:24 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104234933.TZSX382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:49:33 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104174124.01287648@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:49:10 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Request For Comments In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20010104092955.0145b230@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart At 05:28 PM 1/4/2001 -0500, Doc wrote: >But I do agree spreading the responsibility is a Good Thing. I'd be >happy to unload responsibility for e.g. determining who gets which >disease when, tracking cures, etc. > Is there any possible way to give the Epidemiologist access to the ruleset for disease modification? The only thing I was trying to establish was a way in which the E. could easily maintain the list. I am already confused by how we have the diseases and cures setup. At least half of the cures are contained with the disease (which is where I believe it belongs) rather than in the rule covering cures. I think it might be nice, from a maintenance and review standpoint, to at least break out the actual listing of diseases to the bottom of the ruleset. That way, a player can scan the rules without encountering 2 pages of disease descriptions... not that it shouldn't be part of the ruleset. I concede your point on that issue for now. Moving the disease listing to the bottom of the ruleset would enable a player, especially a new player, to easily review the rules on play, etc. Doc could make a command decision to do this. I think it could help in all aspects of ruleset maintenance. Ottis (2 'T's Feyd) From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 15:51:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 4 Jan 2001 23:51:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 43897 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 23:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2001 23:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 23:51:42 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010104235451.UASS382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:54:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104175246.0144fa98@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:54:28 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Therapy Request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Doc, I would like to request an additional therapy session (total of 2). From jjweston@pop.net Thu Jan 04 16:03:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 00:03:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 82787 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 00:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 00:03:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 00:03:15 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id RAA56762; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:03:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:03:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200101050003.RAA56762@www.irony.com> To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Blood Test: Britta, Jeff, Jim, Jon,, Kevan, Mark, Ottis X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Blood Test: Britta, Jeff, Jim, Jon,, Kevan, Mark, Ottis docnomic@egroups.com requested that 7 rolls of 2 100-sided dice be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 25, 31 = 56. Roll 2: 84, 75 = 159. Roll 3: 13, 68 = 81. Roll 4: 46, 43 = 89. Roll 5: 51, 95 = 146. Roll 6: 51, 53 = 104. Roll 7: 47, 85 = 132. Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOlUPPryfeleUG9SNAQGhlAH/WZnwc3syjFz8DYPBnILbqPg1xV6KIApt 7DMF6HX5du/BeOxfqE15DVEO15v2pQf4mIiwZv3t/86sEFiXLeuRag== =pQiD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 16:09:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 00:09:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 17111 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 00:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 00:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 00:09:35 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010105001244.UDZG382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:12:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104175440.013079c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20010104175440.013079c0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:12:22 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: Blood Tests 1/4/01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart ========== Blood Tests: ========== Britta: Body=102 / 2 = 51 from 100 = 49% Disease: 25 = A Bit of a Cough Result: 31, INFECTED Jeff: Body=100 / 2 = 50 from 100 = 50% Disease: 84 = Nasty Cough Result: 75, not infected Jim: Body=100 / 2 = 50 from 100 = 50% Disease: 13 = A Bit of a Cough Result: 68, not infected Jon: Body=100 / 2 = 50 from 100 = 50% Disease: 46 = A Bit of a Cough Result: 43, INFECTED Kevan: Body=108 / 2 = 54 from 100 = 46% Disease: 51 = Nasty Cough Result: 95, not infected Mark: Body=100 / 2 = 50 from 100 = 50% Disease: 51 = Nasty Cough Result: 53, not infected Ottis: Body=105 / 2 = 52 from 100 = 48% Disease: 47 = A Bit of a Cough Result: 85, not infected =========== Results have been updated on the players database. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 04 16:18:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 00:18:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 35626 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 00:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 00:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 00:18:50 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0086EBBB@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:18:49 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA01342; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:18:48 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Office Hours Date: 04 Jan 2001 19:18:48 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Obviously, last week's office hours were cancelled. This week's office hours are being postponed to give you all a chance to get your game data entered into the PDP. Please send me an email when you've done so. Players who do not do so by 00:00 GMT 8 Jan 2001 may find themselves looking at a Proclamation they will dislike. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 04 16:35:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 00:35:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 89446 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 00:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 00:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 01:36:58 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f051RVY11691 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:27:42 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:27:31 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: I really prefer having pill counts instead of pill icons...... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" When you have a large number of pills, its a real pain to count all of those icons just to make sure your totals match up with the eGroups database. Can we please go back to the pill counts? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 04 16:39:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 00:39:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 32185 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 00:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 00:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 01:40:18 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f051V1b11705 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:31:12 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:31:01 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] I really prefer having pill counts instead of pill icons...... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Never mind... I just saw the "disable graphics" link. Although it was in small text in an out of the way place where no one would think to look for it... Hmm.... On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > When you have a large number of pills, its a real pain to count > all of those icons just to make sure your totals match up with the eGroups > database. Can we please go back to the pill counts? From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 04 16:48:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 00:48:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 42896 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 00:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 00:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 00:48:52 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0086EDCD@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:48:51 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA03495; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:48:50 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Outage Date: 04 Jan 2001 19:48:50 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Our computer system will be down for upgrading from 10:30 pm GMT on Friday, January 5, 2001, through 1:00 pm GMT Monday, January 8, 2001 So the good news is you get a few more hours to move to the PDP. The bad news is, no game action this weekend! -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 04 17:39:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 01:39:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 237 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 01:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 01:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 02:40:46 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010105014250.UUMP382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:42:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010104194119.013bdf18@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 19:42:27 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Outage In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I'll try to get a snapshot of the rules to publish for the weekend only. Also, just because the rules aren't available... the player database and the PDP still is... players can still make their PDP changes... so don't let the ruleset being down stop you from updating the pdp. At 07:48 PM 1/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Our computer system will be down for upgrading from 10:30 pm GMT on >Friday, January 5, 2001, through 1:00 pm GMT Monday, January 8, 2001 > >So the good news is you get a few more hours to move to the PDP. The >bad news is, no game action this weekend! > >-- >- Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 05 04:35:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 12:35:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 37275 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 12:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 12:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 13:36:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.4.66] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 12:35:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:35:14 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Bloodless Coup Message-ID: <934f22+79qd@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 688 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Bloodless Coup Repeal Rule 23 ("Blood Tests"). { I really don't like the logic of people who take the trouble to be blood-tested being *more* likely to get infected than those who don't. If anything, a Blood Test should say something along the lines of "Looks like you might get a Bit of a Cough; here, I'll immunise you", and you'd be immune to catching Bits of Coughs for a week. But even then that's not *very* interesting. Blood Tests are also slightly superceded by the new, random ways to catch Diseases. } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 05 04:39:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 12:39:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 75038 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 12:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 12:39:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 12:39:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.4.66] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 12:39:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:39:05 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: New Blood Message-ID: <934f99+j7o5@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2468 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - New Blood { Simplifying to a more "realistic" model, Blood donation becoming a purely altruistic action, although partly a necessity if you need a Blood-requiring operation in the future. Cash for blood, and buying blood to make yourself healthy, both seem a bit odd and vampiric. } Reword Rule 26 (Blood Bank) to:- The Blood Bank stores blood collected from the Players to be used for medical procedures. The Blood Bank is part of the Gamestate and has its status stored in a database at . The Blood Bank is maintained by the Nurse. A Player with no non-Psychosis Diseases may donate 'x' pints of Blood to the Blood Bank by privately informing the Nurse of this intention. That Player shall lose Body Points equal to 'x' multiplied by ten, and 'x' pints of Blood shall be added to the Blood Bank. The lost Body Points may be reclaimed if more than twenty-four hours have passed since the donation. Whenever an operation requires a certain amount of Blood, that Blood is taken from the Blood Bank. If there is insufficient Blood in the Bank, however, the operation cannot be performed. { And maybe some new Diseases that use the Bank... } Add any or all or none of the following Diseases to Rule 11, at Doc's whim:- Stab Wound (Physical) When a Player sustains a Stab Wound, he or she loses 5 Body Points, and loses 10 further Body points during each subsequent Office Hours. Stab Wounds may be cured by an Operation from the Doc or the Nurse, at no cost and requiring one pint of Blood. Bad Blood (Immunological) A Player with this Disease may not be cured of non-Psychosis Diseases (excepting Bad Blood itself). Bad Blood may be cured by an Operation, performed by either Doc or the Nurse, costing 100 Cash and requiring five pints of Blood. Alien DNA (Genetic) A Player with this Disease suffers four times the normal Body Point damage of any other Diseases he or she has, and may not take pills. However, a Player with Alien DNA possesses strange powers of psychic healing, and may swap the values of their Body and Soul Points at any time. Alien DNA may be removed by a complicated Operation, which only Doc is able to perform. It costs 800 Cash and requires six pints of Blood. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 05 04:43:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 12:43:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 89872 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 12:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 12:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 12:43:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.4.66] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 12:43:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:43:07 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Blood Bank Message-ID: <934fgr+j8fp@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2615 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com { Whoops. That last Proposal message will be ignored under Rule 21 because of its confusingly unorthodox subject line. Resubmission follows. } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - New Blood { Simplifying to a more "realistic" model, Blood donation becoming a purely altruistic action, although partly a necessity if you need a Blood-requiring operation in the future. Cash for blood, and buying blood to make yourself healthy, both seem a bit odd and vampiric. } Reword Rule 26 (Blood Bank) to:- The Blood Bank stores blood collected from the Players to be used for medical procedures. The Blood Bank is part of the Gamestate and has its status stored in a database at . The Blood Bank is maintained by the Nurse. A Player with no non-Psychosis Diseases may donate 'x' pints of Blood to the Blood Bank by privately informing the Nurse of this intention. That Player shall lose Body Points equal to 'x' multiplied by ten, and 'x' pints of Blood shall be added to the Blood Bank. The lost Body Points may be reclaimed if more than twenty-four hours have passed since the donation. Whenever an operation requires a certain amount of Blood, that Blood is taken from the Blood Bank. If there is insufficient Blood in the Bank, however, the operation cannot be performed. { And maybe some new Diseases that use the Bank... } Add any or all or none of the following Diseases to Rule 11, at Doc's whim:- Stab Wound (Physical) When a Player sustains a Stab Wound, he or she loses 5 Body Points, and loses 10 further Body points during each subsequent Office Hours. Stab Wounds may be cured by an Operation from the Doc or the Nurse, at no cost and requiring one pint of Blood. Bad Blood (Immunological) A Player with this Disease may not be cured of non-Psychosis Diseases (excepting Bad Blood itself). Bad Blood may be cured by an Operation, performed by either Doc or the Nurse, costing 100 Cash and requiring five pints of Blood. Alien DNA (Genetic) A Player with this Disease suffers four times the normal Body Point damage of any other Diseases he or she has, and may not take pills. However, a Player with Alien DNA possesses strange powers of psychic healing, and may swap the values of their Body and Soul Points at any time. Alien DNA may be removed by a complicated Operation, which only Doc is able to perform. It costs 800 Cash and requires six pints of Blood. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 05 04:49:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 12:49:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 71442 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 12:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 12:49:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hm.egroups.com) (10.1.10.45) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 13:50:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.55] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 12:49:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:49:29 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Psychiatrist Message-ID: <934fsp+fc5d@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 519 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Electroshock Blues To Rule 20 ("Psychiatrist"), add:- Any Player may request a course of Electroshock Therapy from the Psychiatrist, via private email. If the Psychiatrist chooses to administer the treatment, the patient immediately loses 10 Body, 10 Soul and all of his or her Psychoses. He or she then gains a Psychosis selected at random by the Psychiatrist. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 05 04:53:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 12:53:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 10549 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 12:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 12:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hm.egroups.com) (10.1.10.45) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 12:53:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.55] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 12:53:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:53:30 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Relaxed Proposals Message-ID: <934g4a+gcbo@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 813 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Relaxed Proposals Repeal Rule 21. And if Doc really wants to keep Proposals to one per message, replace the first sentence of Rule 3 with "Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List (one Proposal per message; multiple Proposals in a single email will be ignored)." { Personally I'd rather see a return to multiple Proposals per message; I've got a few here that I've been writing in quiet moments over the past couple of days, and it's simply taking me too long to post them all individually over a slow and erratic connection. So long, in fact, that I can't be bothered to try and post any more right now. Tsk. } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Fri Jan 05 05:24:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 13:24:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 62306 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 13:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 13:24:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 13:24:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (line20.surf2000.de [193.41.36.20]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f05DOTK18803 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:24:29 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=Wintermute) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14EWsU-0000ME-00 for ; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:25:54 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Pills and Therapies X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 05 Jan 2001 14:24:38 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch I would like to take a green pill against this cough I've been having. Also, dear Doctor, could we organise a therapy session? And I'd like to buy a purple pill from the pharmacy. Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 05 06:19:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 14:19:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 78037 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 14:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 14:19:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 14:19:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.114] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 14:19:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:19:09 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Pills and Therapies Message-ID: <934l4t+duo0@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 401 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > I would like to take a green pill against this cough I've been having. > Also, dear Doctor, could we organise a therapy session? > And I'd like to buy a purple pill from the pharmacy. The taking and purchase of pills can (and, indeed, should) be done legally via the PDP, now that the relevant Proposal has passed. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "And I need pills to wake me up as well." From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 05 07:17:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 15:17:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 85789 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 15:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 15:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 15:17:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.120] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 15:17:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:16:51 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: NURSE: Take 1 green for migrane please Message-ID: <934oh3+21sa@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 05 07:17:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 15:17:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 27464 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 15:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 15:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk.egroups.com) (10.1.1.30) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 15:17:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.120] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 15:17:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:17:23 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Psychologist: I will pay 20 cash each for counseling on Agrophobia and FoR Message-ID: <934oi3+28ni@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 05 07:19:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 15:19:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 35362 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 15:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 15:19:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 15:19:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.120] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 15:19:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:19:48 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Pills and Therapies Message-ID: <934omk+27r6@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <934l4t+duo0@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 372 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: "Feyd " Kevan, How does one attempt to cure diseases that require multiple pills? Do we generate our own random number and then add/subtract as necessary? Or does the script handle that? Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > The taking and purchase of pills can (and, indeed, should) be done > legally via the PDP, now that the relevant Proposal has passed. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Jan 05 07:51:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 15:51:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 44891 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 15:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 15:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 15:51:02 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010105155411.ZDUH382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:54:11 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010105095123.0144f9a8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:53:47 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: 1/5/01 (a) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart In this interim time of conversion to the PDP, I am being very careful to make sure all players maintain the exact same gamestate until the PDP entry deadline is complete. Therefore, I have taken care of Britta's request (for the green pill and the purchase of the purple pill). Britta is now completely up to date. Shouldn't there be a purchase pill option that will automatically decrement the correct cash for the purchase price from the pharmacy? Ottis At 02:24 PM 1/5/2001 +0100, you wrote: >I would like to take a green pill against this cough I've been having. >Also, dear Doctor, could we organise a therapy session? >And I'd like to buy a purple pill from the pharmacy. > >Britta From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 05 07:51:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 15:51:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 96261 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 15:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 15:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hh.egroups.com) (10.1.10.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 15:51:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.4] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 15:51:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:51:38 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Pills and Therapies Message-ID: <934qia+qfg6@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <934omk+27r6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 802 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > How does one attempt to cure diseases that require multiple pills? > Do we generate our own random number and then add/subtract as > necessary? Or does the script handle that? To quote Rule 8:- "Whenever a Player takes a Pill, a percentage success rating for each Pill is given in the Change Log; this should be used to determine the Pill's success in whatever effects are specified. (For example, if a Green Pill has a 30% chance of curing a Player of Nasty Cough, a success rating of 30% or less for a Green Pill means that the Player is cured.)" (Did you get your password alright, by the way? My Web-based email coughed and fell over rather a lot when I tried to send the message.) Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I know I took strange pills, but I never meant to hurt you." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Jan 05 07:51:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 15:51:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 76415 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 15:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 15:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 16:53:00 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010105155504.ZEAD382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:55:04 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010105095428.013d2370@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:54:40 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Pills and Therapies In-Reply-To: <934omk+27r6@eGroups.com> References: <934l4t+duo0@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I still think the Nurse should attempt that cure. At 03:19 PM 1/5/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Kevan, >How does one attempt to cure diseases that require multiple pills? >Do we generate our own random number and then add/subtract as >necessary? Or does the script handle that? > >Feyd >--- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: >> The taking and purchase of pills can (and, indeed, should) be done >> legally via the PDP, now that the relevant Proposal has passed. > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Jan 05 07:59:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 15:59:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 77285 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 15:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 15:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 17:00:53 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010105160258.ZFRG382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:02:58 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010105095933.0138aee8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:02:17 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Pills and Therapies In-Reply-To: <934qia+qfg6@eGroups.com> References: <934omk+27r6@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Big problem, though... I administered 1 green pill for Feyd and it said 30%. Then I cured him of the disease and the percentage change to 44%. Then I tested it again and it changed to 61%... this was all in the logs. If we are to depend on that percentage as printed, then it needs to be statically stored for each record in the log instead of being regenerated each display. If every log entry changes the percentage displayed for an already entered log entry, then there can be no proof of what it ever was. I can not condone using that percentage until it is stabilized. At 03:51 PM 1/5/2001 +0000, you wrote: >> How does one attempt to cure diseases that require multiple pills? >> Do we generate our own random number and then add/subtract as >> necessary? Or does the script handle that? > >To quote Rule 8:- > >"Whenever a Player takes a Pill, a percentage success rating for each >Pill is given in the Change Log; this should be used to determine the >Pill's success in whatever effects are specified. (For example, if a >Green Pill has a 30% chance of curing a Player of Nasty Cough, a >success rating of 30% or less for a Green Pill means that the Player >is cured.)" > >(Did you get your password alright, by the way? My Web-based email >coughed and fell over rather a lot when I tried to send the message.) > >Kevan > >-- >http://uncertain.org/~kevan >"I know I took strange pills, but I never meant to hurt you." > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From jjweston@pop.net Fri Jan 05 08:00:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 16:00:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 78749 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 16:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 16:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 16:00:09 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id JAA13177; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:00:08 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:00:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200101051600.JAA13177@www.irony.com> To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd took a green pill for Migrane (50%) X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Feyd took a green pill for Migrane (50%) docnomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 49. Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOlXvhLyfeleUG9SNAQE/5AH+KlEgjE7sTZzdc6o7uoC27KI8Jwt05oEj yfULa/aebg4zXnFwIHH+HVweJrArW2r8ME2OQSjLhjQPbrx8KXW/lw== =rNM4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Jan 05 08:01:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 16:01:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 30922 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 16:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 16:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 17:02:56 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010105160500.ZFZL382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:05:00 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010105100307.0145bee8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:04:36 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: 1/5/01 (b) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Feyd has been cured of his Migrane and is now completely up to date in the PDP. I will no longer be maintaining Feyd's data except for as required in the ruleset (same goes for Britta). You are on your own now. From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 05 08:02:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 16:02:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 14495 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 16:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 16:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 16:02:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.48] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 16:02:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:02:28 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: PDP Automation Message-ID: <934r6k+d2tg@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010105095123.0144f9a8@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 502 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Shouldn't there be a purchase pill option that will automatically decrement > the correct cash for the purchase price from the pharmacy? Perhaps, although I don't intend the PDP to be *that* intelligent; it's really more of a logging tool than a bells-and-whistles game simulation. I suppose Purchasing is a simple and likely-permanent enough thing to be worth coding, though. I might well add it over the weekend. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Man and machine, keep yourself clean." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 05 08:03:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 16:03:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 36695 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 16:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 16:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 17:04:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.48] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 16:03:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:03:22 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: PDP Automation Message-ID: <934r8a+s6u0@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010105095123.0144f9a8@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 502 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Shouldn't there be a purchase pill option that will automatically decrement > the correct cash for the purchase price from the pharmacy? Perhaps, although I don't intend the PDP to be *that* intelligent; it's really more of a logging tool than a bells-and-whistles game simulation. I suppose Purchasing is a simple and likely-permanent enough thing to be worth coding, though. I might well add it over the weekend. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Man and machine, keep yourself clean." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 05 08:30:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 16:30:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 87977 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 16:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 16:30:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 16:30:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.133] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 16:30:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:30:30 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Pills and Therapies Message-ID: <934sr6+gpkk@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010105095933.0138aee8@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 533 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Big problem, though... I administered 1 green pill for Feyd and it said > 30%. Then I cured him of the disease and the percentage change to 44%. Then > I tested it again and it changed to 61%... this was all in the logs. Ahem. Whoops. I thought I'd put a random-number seed in at the start of the script, but evidently I hadn't. It's fixed now; all random numbers in the Change Log will remain as they are, and future ones will be just as stable. Carry on. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I can always sense danger." From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 05 09:06:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 17:06:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 55679 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 17:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 17:05:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 18:06:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.118] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 17:05:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:04:57 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend Rule 10 Message-ID: <934urp+1p82@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 412 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.74 From: Nomic1@aol.com Replace the first paragraph discribing Agorophobia in Rule 10 to read =============== Whenever a Rule is enacted, all Players with Agorophobia lose 5 Soul Points, all Players with Claustrophobia gain 5 Soul Points, and there is a 50% chance of the Rule's original Proposer contracting Agorophobia. =============== This makes it the opposite of Claustrophobia, rather than it's hyrdra- like cousin. Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 05 09:11:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 17:11:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 27564 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 17:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 17:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 17:11:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.118] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 17:11:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:11:14 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order Re: Proposal: Amend rule 10 with Disease, "Kudosis" Message-ID: <934v7i+2pod@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 428 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.74 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Feyd " writes: > > > Add the following disease to rule 10: > > > > Name: Kudosis > REJECTED. This isn't a disease -- it has no ill effects. It's a perk > by another name. > Feyd has FoR. > - Doc Because of their good health, whenever an Epidemiologist would normally contract any disease, e gets one additional 25% change to NOT catch the disease. From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 05 09:14:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 17:14:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 36965 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 17:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 17:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 17:14:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.118] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 17:14:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:13:54 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order Re: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine (Again) Message-ID: <934vci+m9ui@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 549 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.74 From: Nomic1@aol.com Because of their good health, whenever an Epidemiologist would normally contract any disease, e gets one additional 25% change to NOT catch the disease. --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > kevan@s... writes: > ACCEPTED. 1 green, 1 red. > > This creates Rule 28. > > Phobia check: > > Britta, Jim, and Mark lose 5 SPs. > > Feyd, Jeff, Jon, and Ottis have 28% chance of getting A-phobia: > > 4 random reals 0 < x < 1: > 0.24102783203125 > 0.20782470703125 > 0.64508056640625 > 0.74871826171875 > > Feyd and Jeff do. > - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 05 09:16:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 17:16:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 96204 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 17:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 17:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 18:16:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.97] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 17:15:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:15:48 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amend Rule 10 Message-ID: <934vg4+lai8@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <934urp+1p82@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1015 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > Replace the first paragraph discribing Agorophobia in Rule 10 to read > =============== > Whenever a Rule is enacted, all Players with Agorophobia lose 5 Soul > Points, all Players with Claustrophobia gain 5 Soul Points, and there > is a 50% chance of the Rule's original Proposer contracting > Agorophobia. > =============== > > This makes it the opposite of Claustrophobia, rather than it's hyrdra- > like cousin. Hmm, discouraging people from proposing new Rules? Good if it cuts down on people making new Rules for things that should just have been amendments, but rather bad if it means we end up cramming too much into existing rules for fear of Psychosis. Or not putting forward new ideas at all. Maybe Agoraphobia should be dealt out at Doc's discretion, if he feels someone is lazily enacting a new Rule rather than bothering to combine it properly with an obvious existing Rule... Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Later on the Northern Line, she'll freak about the lack of sky." From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 05 09:49:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 5 Jan 2001 17:49:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 62699 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 17:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Jan 2001 17:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hh.egroups.com) (10.1.10.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 17:46:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.238] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2001 17:46:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:45:57 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amend Rule 10 Message-ID: <93518l+7dl6@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <934vg4+lai8@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1417 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.74 From: Nomic1@aol.com It's gotta be better than now. Everone is constantly getting Agorophobia, and it's barely worth curing because the odds of getting it are so high (and only going up). If Agorophobia and Claustrophobia are supposed to be a matched pair (which it seems they are)it isn't working. Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > > Replace the first paragraph discribing Agorophobia in Rule 10 to > read > > =============== > > Whenever a Rule is enacted, all Players with Agorophobia lose 5 > Soul > > Points, all Players with Claustrophobia gain 5 Soul Points, and > there > > is a 50% chance of the Rule's original Proposer contracting > > Agorophobia. > > =============== > > > > This makes it the opposite of Claustrophobia, rather than it's > hyrdra- > > like cousin. > > Hmm, discouraging people from proposing new Rules? Good if it cuts > down on people making new Rules for things that should just have been > amendments, but rather bad if it means we end up cramming too much > into existing rules for fear of Psychosis. Or not putting forward new > ideas at all. > > Maybe Agoraphobia should be dealt out at Doc's discretion, if he > feels someone is lazily enacting a new Rule rather than bothering to > combine it properly with an obvious existing Rule... > > Kevan > > -- > http://uncertain.org/~kevan > "Later on the Northern Line, she'll freak about the lack of sky." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Sat Jan 06 13:30:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 6 Jan 2001 21:30:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 66413 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2001 21:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2001 21:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Jan 2001 21:30:56 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010106213406.IKED382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:34:06 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010106153218.01445e28@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 15:33:39 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Temporary Website Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart While the DocNomic official website is down, I have made a backup copy from Friday 1/5/2001. It is not official, but can be used as reference until the official site is back up on Monday 1/8/2001. It is located in the files section of the egroups mailing list page at egroups.com... here is the address: http://www.egroups.com/files/DocNomic/index.html From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Jan 08 04:52:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Jan 2001 12:52:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 78428 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2001 12:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2001 12:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.46) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 13:53:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.55] by fj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2001 12:52:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:52:06 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amend Rule 10 Message-ID: <93cd5m+fut0@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <93518l+7dl6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1054 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > It's gotta be better than now. Everone is constantly getting > Agorophobia, and it's barely worth curing because the odds of getting > it are so high (and only going up). True, it really should have been "number of rules" rather than "highest rule number", so that Repeals would lessen the chances. Careless. > If Agorophobia and > Claustrophobia are supposed to be a matched pair (which it seems they > are)it isn't working. Sort of a matched pair, but I couldn't think of a fair way to implement Claustrophobia across the board, or Agoraphobia on a personal basis. Maybe it'd be neater cut down to everyone having a fixed 5% chance of getting the appropriate phobia whenever a Rule was Enacted or Repealed, but at the end of the day it seems a bad thing to threaten a possible and immediate drawback to actions which could well improve the game. ("I've got a good idea for a Surgeon role, but if I propose it I might get Agoraphobia, so I won't bother.") K. -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Her train of thought is underground." From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 08 07:50:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Jan 2001 15:50:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 70880 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2001 15:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2001 15:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 15:48:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.114] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2001 15:48:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:48:27 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Request for Comments: Proposal Hospital Committee Message-ID: <93cngb+780c@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1381 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com I've been thinking about how to trim down the work Doc has to do, using Ottis' previous Proposal as a starting point. I'm playing with the following premises. Comments welcome: 1. Split "Diseases" and "Injuries". Rule 10 holds diseases, but "Glam Rock Shoulder" isn't a disease, it's an injury. The Epidemiologist shouldn't be able to cure it. Create a new rule called Injuries. "Glam Rock Shoulder" is the only current injury. 2. Create a position "Surgeon" who deals with maintaining injures similar to how the Epidemiologist maintains diseases. 3. The Epidemiologist, Surgeon, Psychologist, Pharmist, and Nurse form an object called the "Hospital Board". 4. The "Hospital Board" is responsible for reviewing all Diseases, Psychosis, and Injuries before they are proposed to Doc. a. All Diseases must be approved by the Epidemiologist before being proposed to Doc. b. All Psycosis must be approved by the Psychologist before being proposed to Doc. c. All "Injuries" must be approved by the Surgeon before being proposed to Doc. d. A 4/5s majority of the Committee may overturn the decision of any single committe member. These ideas would take 4 separate proposals to enact cleanly. Do members in general think this would be a decent idea? Any suggestion on what the Surgeon should actually do besides approve injuries? Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Jan 08 08:39:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Jan 2001 16:39:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 33108 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2001 16:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Jan 2001 16:38:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 16:38:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.97] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2001 16:38:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:38:12 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Request for Comments: Proposal Hospital Committee Message-ID: <93cqdk+bsnc@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <93cngb+780c@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2408 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > 1. Split "Diseases" and "Injuries". Rule 10 holds diseases, > but "Glam Rock Shoulder" isn't a disease, it's an injury. The > Epidemiologist shouldn't be able to cure it. Create a new rule > called Injuries. "Glam Rock Shoulder" is the only current injury. Mm, good plan; we really could do with sorting our wording out a bit, researching "official" medical classifications and whatnot. > 2. Create a position "Surgeon" who deals with maintaining injures > similar to how the Epidemiologist maintains diseases. In addition to Doc maintaining them in the Ruleset anyway? Why do we need this even for the Epidemiologist? > 4. The "Hospital Board" is responsible for reviewing all Diseases, > Psychosis, and Injuries before they are proposed to Doc. > a. All Diseases must be approved by the Epidemiologist before > being proposed to Doc. > b. All Psycosis must be approved by the Psychologist before > being proposed to Doc. > c. All "Injuries" must be approved by the Surgeon before being > proposed to Doc. > d. A 4/5s majority of the Committee may overturn the decision of > any single committe member. What are the mechanics of this, though? Must we contact the relevant people through private email beforehand? Do we let them forward the approved Proposal to Doc, or send it again ourselves? Must each Board member notify other Members of his or her decision, lest they wish to overturn it? How late can they overturn a decision? Do we only proceed with their approval, or give them a couple of days, or what? Even with precise definitions, though, I'm not so sure I like this - the current Imperial system works nicely because Doc isn't a Player; he's able to judge Proposals objectively. Giving individual, active Players total veto power over particular aspects of the game seems a touch harsh. > These ideas would take 4 separate proposals to enact cleanly. Do > members in general think this would be a decent idea? Any suggestion > on what the Surgeon should actually do besides approve injuries? Perhaps obviously, he could be responsible for approving surgery on appropriate ailments (the way that Doc and the Nurse do already). I suppose there might be some mileage in transplant operations, too, as a way of giving Body Points to other Players... Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm leaving my body to science fiction." From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 08 13:22:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Jan 2001 21:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 66079 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2001 21:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2001 21:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO b05.egroups.com) (10.1.2.184) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 21:21:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.59] by b05.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2001 21:21:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 21:21:02 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: NURSE: Take 1 red and 1 purple... Message-ID: <93davu+lits@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 237 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com Nurse, I would like to take 1 red plus 1 purple. This should cure both my Fear of Rejection AND my Agropohbia. Am I responsible for updating the Player page, and if so do I do that now or after you update the egroups database? Feyd From oairhart@ispchannel.com Mon Jan 08 14:57:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Jan 2001 22:57:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 10285 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2001 22:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Jan 2001 22:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 22:53:02 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010108225612.VJVJ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:56:12 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010108165513.0145e5a8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 16:56:01 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] NURSE: Take 1 red and 1 purple... In-Reply-To: <93davu+lits@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart As stated earlier, I am no longer taking care of your info since it is up to date in the PDP. I am not sure you can have dual purpose for one pill such as you stated. I looked at that once, I'll have to review that again. At 09:21 PM 1/8/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Nurse, >I would like to take 1 red plus 1 purple. >This should cure both my Fear of Rejection AND my Agropohbia. > >Am I responsible for updating the Player page, and if so do I do that >now or after you update the egroups database? > >Feyd > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 15:06:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Jan 2001 23:06:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 46207 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2001 23:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2001 23:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 23:01:33 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087E04E@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:30:14 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA22790; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:30:10 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Request for Comments: Proposal Hospital Committee References: <93cngb+780c@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 17:30:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:48:27 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > I've been thinking about how to trim down the work Doc has to do, > using Ottis' previous Proposal as a starting point. I'm playing with > the following premises. Comments welcome: Nice of you to work on reducing my work load, but I can't help thinking you're trimming at the wrong end. "Approving diseases" (and injuries, yes, I like that distinction) isn't time- or effort-consuming the way *administering* diseases is! Frankly, your proposed proposals strike me as a bit unwieldy, creating a 5-member bureaucracy to solve a problem that isn't even really a problem... Parcelling out the Office Hours duties, now, that'd be a good thing. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 15:59:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 8 Jan 2001 23:59:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 80963 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2001 23:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2001 23:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2001 23:54:52 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087E754@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:54:19 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA00989; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:54:17 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proclamation Date: 08 Jan 2001 18:54:17 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu By Proclamation, Jim Ingram is removed from the Player list. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Mon Jan 08 16:22:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 00:22:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 39434 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 00:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 00:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 00:19:11 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010109002221.WAKZ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:22:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010108182105.012a2ec8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:22:10 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: 1/8/01 (a) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Ottis is now up to date in the PDP. Ottis also took 5 green pills gaining body points in return. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 16:41:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 00:41:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 5906 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 00:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 00:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 00:37:19 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087E984@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:37:17 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA04090; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:37:17 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order Re: Proposal: Amend rule 10 with Disease, "Kudosis" References: <934v7i+2pod@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 19:37:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:11:14 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > > REJECTED. This isn't a disease -- it has no ill effects. It's a > perk > > by another name. > > Feyd has FoR. > > - Doc > > Because of their good health, whenever an Epidemiologist would > normally contract any disease, e gets one additional 25% change to > NOT catch the disease. Right. 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.485260009765625 Sorry... you still get FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 16:41:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 00:41:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 88743 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 00:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 00:37:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 00:37:50 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087E985@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:37:49 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA04116; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:37:49 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order Re: Proposal: 21st Century Medicine (Again) References: <934vci+m9ui@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 19:37:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:13:54 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 36 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > Because of their good health, whenever an Epidemiologist would > normally contract any disease, e gets one additional 25% change to > NOT catch the disease. > > --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > > kevan@s... writes: > > ACCEPTED. 1 green, 1 red. > > > > This creates Rule 28. > > > > Phobia check: > > > > Britta, Jim, and Mark lose 5 SPs. > > > > Feyd, Jeff, Jon, and Ottis have 28% chance of getting A-phobia: > > > > 4 random reals 0 < x < 1: > > 0.24102783203125 > > 0.20782470703125 > > 0.64508056640625 > > 0.74871826171875 > > > > Feyd and Jeff do. > > - Doc Right. 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.019744873046875 So Feyd does NOT get Agoraphobia. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 17:29:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 01:29:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 56606 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 01:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 01:28:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 01:28:21 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087ECC0@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:28:20 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA07686; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:28:19 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Office hours Date: 08 Jan 2001 20:28:19 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 154 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu PRESCRIPTIONS: (Now self-dispensed.) COMMUNICABLE DISEASES: (1) Selecting first random player out of 7 (Kevan, Britta, Ottis, Mark, Jeff, Jon, Feyd): 1 random ints 1 <= x <= 7: 5 Player #5 = Jeff, has no communicable diseases, so none transmitted. (2) 2 players for each Airborne Disease have 25% chance of contracting: (2a) Bit of a Cough Select 2 players at random: 2 random ints 1 <= x <= 7: 5 6 Jon and Feyd. Roll for catching disease: 2 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.924774169921875 0.279541015625 Neither gets it. (2b) Nasty Cough (Note that "If a Player would catch Nasty Cough from another Player, they catch A Bit of a Cough instead." -- but no such provision if they catch it by this mechanism.) Select 2 players at random: 2 random ints 1 <= x <= 7: 6 2 Feyd and Britta. Roll for catching disease: 2 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.856353759765625 0.935455322265625 Neither gets it. (3) One random player gets one random non-airborne disease. Select 1 player at random: 1 random ints 1 <= x <= 7: 4 Mark. Select 1 non-airborne disease out of: Addiction, Migraine, Claustrophobia, Agoraphobia, Fear of Rejection, Glam Rock Shoulder. 1 random ints 1 <= x <= 6: 3 Mark gets Claustrophobia. (4) Each player has 25% chance of contracting Glam Rock Shoulder. 7 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.577880859375 0.643707275390625 0.078765869140625 0.133941650390625 0.682525634765625 0.457366943359375 0.677490234375 Ottis and Mark get it. ADDICT: Since last Office Hours (message #183) until his cure (message #342) Kevan has posted 12 non-proposal messages that do not ask for pills (#197-199, 260, 277, 279, 284, 286, 309-310, 322, 329). However, I believe only 2 of these were pointed out. By my reading of the rules, that means Kevan loses 1 soul point for each of only 2 messages. Feyd has the most pills and so is addict for the week, unless he rolls < 0.25: 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.519073486328125 Nope. He loses 3 BP / 5 SP. MIGRAINES: There have been 267 messages since last Office Hours. x/10 = 26 (the rules don't say whether to round down but I will.) Mark has migraine. He loses 5 BP, 26 SP. All players (except Mark) have 26% chance of contracting a Migraine. 6 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.566864013671875 0.876678466796875 0.18072509765625 0.32379150390625 0.312591552734375 0.54144287109375 Ottis has Migraine. NASTY COUGH: Britta and Jon have Bit of a Cough. 30% chance of changing to Nasty Cough. 2 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.91436767578125 0.15020751953125 Jon now has a Nasty Cough. CASH: (Now self-dispensed.) NURSE'S COMPENSATION: (Now self-dispensed.) EPIDEMIOLOGIST'S COMPENSATION: (Now self-dispensed.) THERAPY: I have requests for therapy sessions from Jeff, Ottis, Feyd, Ottis, and Britta. Each gains 5 SPs and pays 50 cash. BLOOD DONATION: Since this is only the second Office Hours, I don't think anyone can be fined for failing to donate blood within the last four Office Hours. Game state updated. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 17:32:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 01:32:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 13725 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 01:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 01:31:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 01:31:56 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087ECE1@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:31:56 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA07867; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:31:55 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Jon Date: 08 Jan 2001 20:31:55 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Hmm, I belatedly noticed Jon has an entry in the PDP but it hasn't been initialized with anything but Bit Of a Cough (now Nasty Cough), and that was entered by Ottis after an involuntary blood test. Has Jon actually participated at all since we went to eGroups? I don't see that he has. But he's supposedly receiving these emails. I'm planning a Proclamation deleting Jon from the list of Players. Any objections? -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 17:45:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 01:45:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 54993 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 01:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 01:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 01:45:02 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087EE6F@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:45:01 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA08808; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:45:00 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Sore Throat References: <93247k+7h53@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 20:45:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:18:12 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - Sore Throat > > Create a new Disease in Rule 10:- > > Sore Throat (Airborne) > If a Player has a Sore Throat, they may only take Blue Pills > (known for their anaesthetic qualities), unless they have taken > a Blue Pill during the past hour, in which case they may take > any Pills. > If a Player takes three Blue Pills at once, he or she is cured > of this Disease. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ACCEPTED. 1 green pill (dispensed). -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 17:48:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 01:48:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 81089 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 01:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 01:47:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 02:48:31 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087EE81@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:47:26 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA09090; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:47:25 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Sore Throat References: <93247k+7h53@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 20:47:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:18:12 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Oops, this violates "Proposal Framework" and must be ignored. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 17:49:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 01:49:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 88190 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 01:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 01:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 01:49:04 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087EE95@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:49:04 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA09137; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:49:03 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Trading Post References: <4.1.20010104143720.0130bc48@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 20:49:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:38:49 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose the following amendment to the Trading Post rule: > > A player may give another player cash, pills, or pamplets at any time, as > long as the player has the item in their possession to give. > > A player may never give another player body points or soul points. ACCEPTED. 1 green, 1 red. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 17:53:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 01:53:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 71146 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 01:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 01:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 01:53:14 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087EEDA@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:53:13 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA09263; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:53:12 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Request For Comments References: <4.1.20010104092955.0145b230@pop3.ispchannel.com> <4.1.20010104174124.01287648@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 20:53:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:49:10 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Moving the disease listing to the bottom of the ruleset would enable a > player, especially a new player, to easily review the rules on play, etc. > > Doc could make a command decision to do this. I think it could help in all > aspects of ruleset maintenance. I hereby do so, simply making the Diseases rule Rule +infinity, and I give Ottis 1 purple pill for suggesting it. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 17:58:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 01:58:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 88622 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 01:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 01:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 01:58:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087EF34@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:58:36 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA09532; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:58:35 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Bloodless Coup References: <934f22+79qd@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 20:58:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:35:14 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - Bloodless Coup > > Repeal Rule 23 ("Blood Tests"). > > { I really don't like the logic of people who take the trouble to > be blood-tested being *more* likely to get infected than those who > don't. > > If anything, a Blood Test should say something along the lines of > "Looks like you might get a Bit of a Cough; here, I'll immunise > you", and you'd be immune to catching Bits of Coughs for a week. > But even then that's not *very* interesting. > > Blood Tests are also slightly superceded by the new, random ways > to catch Diseases. } > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- REJECTED. Perhaps the rule needs amending, but I am not disposed to repeal it outright. Kevan has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 18:04:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 02:04:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 39266 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 02:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 02:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 02:04:03 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087EF5D@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:04:03 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA09810; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:04:01 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: New Blood References: <934f99+j7o5@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 21:04:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:39:05 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu ... oh, and -5 SP. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 18:05:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 02:05:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 88048 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 02:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 02:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 03:04:32 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087EF53@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:03:27 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA09782; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:03:26 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: New Blood References: <934f99+j7o5@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 21:03:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:39:05 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 77 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - New Blood > > { Simplifying to a more "realistic" model, Blood donation becoming a > purely altruistic action, although partly a necessity if you need > a Blood-requiring operation in the future. Cash for blood, and > buying blood to make yourself healthy, both seem a bit odd and > vampiric. } > > Reword Rule 26 (Blood Bank) to:- > > The Blood Bank stores blood collected from the Players to be used > for medical procedures. The Blood Bank is part of the Gamestate and > has its status stored in a database at > . The Blood Bank is > maintained by the Nurse. > > A Player with no non-Psychosis Diseases may donate 'x' pints of > Blood to the Blood Bank by privately informing the Nurse of this > intention. That Player shall lose Body Points equal to 'x' > multiplied by ten, and 'x' pints of Blood shall be added to the > Blood Bank. The lost Body Points may be reclaimed if more than > twenty-four hours have passed since the donation. > > Whenever an operation requires a certain amount of Blood, that > Blood is taken from the Blood Bank. If there is insufficient Blood > in the Bank, however, the operation cannot be performed. > > { And maybe some new Diseases that use the Bank... } > > Add any or all or none of the following Diseases to Rule 11, at > Doc's whim:- > > Stab Wound (Physical) > When a Player sustains a Stab Wound, he or she loses 5 Body > Points, and loses 10 further Body points during each subsequent > Office Hours. > > Stab Wounds may be cured by an Operation from the Doc or the > Nurse, at no cost and requiring one pint of Blood. > > Bad Blood (Immunological) > A Player with this Disease may not be cured of non-Psychosis > Diseases (excepting Bad Blood itself). > > Bad Blood may be cured by an Operation, performed by either Doc or > the Nurse, costing 100 Cash and requiring five pints of Blood. > > Alien DNA (Genetic) > A Player with this Disease suffers four times the normal Body > Point damage of any other Diseases he or she has, and may not > take pills. > > However, a Player with Alien DNA possesses strange powers of > psychic healing, and may swap the values of their Body and > Soul Points at any time. > > Alien DNA may be removed by a complicated Operation, which only > Doc is able to perform. It costs 800 Cash and requires six > pints of Blood. REJECTED. I am not persuaded of the necessity of revamping the existing Rule. Also: > Add any or all or none of the following Diseases to Rule 11, at > Doc's whim:- In theory, I can. But it goes against the spirit of the "One proposal per message, to be judged as a whole" principle embodied in Rule 21. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 18:05:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 02:05:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 41236 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 02:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 02:04:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 02:04:39 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087EF5E@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:04:38 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA09813; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:04:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Blood Bank References: <934fgr+j8fp@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 21:04:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:43:07 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > { Whoops. That last Proposal message will be ignored under Rule 21 > because of its confusingly unorthodox subject line. Resubmission > follows. } Yeah, that too. OK, that proposal was ignored and *this* proposal was rejected. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 18:06:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 02:06:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 94983 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 02:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 02:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 02:05:31 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087EF62@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:05:31 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA09868; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:05:30 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Psychiatrist References: <934fsp+fc5d@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 21:05:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:49:29 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - Electroshock Blues > > To Rule 20 ("Psychiatrist"), add:- > > Any Player may request a course of Electroshock Therapy from the > Psychiatrist, via private email. If the Psychiatrist chooses to > administer the treatment, the patient immediately loses 10 Body, 10 > Soul and all of his or her Psychoses. He or she then gains a > Psychosis selected at random by the Psychiatrist. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ACCEPTED. -5 SP, 1 green, 1 red. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 18:09:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 02:09:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 14607 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 02:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 02:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 02:08:01 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087EF73@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:08:01 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA10033; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:08:00 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Relaxed Proposals References: <934g4a+gcbo@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 21:08:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:53:30 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - Relaxed Proposals > > Repeal Rule 21. > > And if Doc really wants to keep Proposals to one per message, replace > the first sentence of Rule 3 with "Players may submit Proposals by > sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List (one Proposal per message; > multiple Proposals in a single email will be ignored)." > > { Personally I'd rather see a return to multiple Proposals per > message; I've got a few here that I've been writing in quiet > moments over the past couple of days, and it's simply taking > me too long to post them all individually over a slow and > erratic connection. So long, in fact, that I can't be bothered > to try and post any more right now. Tsk. } > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- REJECTED. If anyone else were complaining about Rule 21 I'd do it, but Kevan appears to be the only one offended by it. Kevan has FoR again. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 18:12:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 02:12:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 12730 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 02:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 02:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 03:13:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087EF9A@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:12:31 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA10347; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:12:30 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Rule 10 References: <934urp+1p82@eGroups.com> Date: 08 Jan 2001 21:12:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:04:57 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > Replace the first paragraph discribing Agorophobia in Rule 10 to read > =============== > Whenever a Rule is enacted, all Players with Agorophobia lose 5 Soul > Points, all Players with Claustrophobia gain 5 Soul Points, and there > is a 50% chance of the Rule's original Proposer contracting > Agorophobia. > =============== > > This makes it the opposite of Claustrophobia, rather than it's hyrdra- > like cousin. Well, no, it doesn't, in that the player who causes Claustrophobia is not (necessarily) the one who can get it, whereas by your proposal, the player who causes Agoraphobia is the one who can get it. REJECTED. -5 SPs. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 08 18:22:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 02:22:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 79585 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 02:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 02:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 03:22:51 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0087EFD5@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:21:47 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA10972; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:21:45 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: PDP offline Date: 08 Jan 2001 21:21:45 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Hmm, I can't seem to get PDP to respond. Probably a transient net problem. I'll take care of the perks, FoR SP losses, etc., later -- unless someone else does it. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Mon Jan 08 19:56:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 03:56:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 65911 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 03:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 03:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 03:56:01 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010109035911.XKXK382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:59:11 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010108215754.01324818@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 21:59:00 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Jon In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I hate to lose a player, but I have no objections. I think in the future, players who don't participate will automatically be removed (declared dead at least) within 6-8 weeks. But it would be another 6-8 weeks from now if we just let it sit. At 08:31 PM 1/8/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hmm, I belatedly noticed Jon has an entry in the PDP but it hasn't >been initialized with anything but Bit Of a Cough (now Nasty Cough), >and that was entered by Ottis after an involuntary blood test. > >Has Jon actually participated at all since we went to eGroups? I >don't see that he has. But he's supposedly receiving these emails. > >I'm planning a Proclamation deleting Jon from the list of Players. >Any objections? > >-- >- Doc > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Jan 09 08:24:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 16:24:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 26423 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 16:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 16:20:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 16:20:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.117] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2001 16:20:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:20:50 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd Player state is updated Message-ID: <93fdp2+ueh7@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 33 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com may I have a yellow pill? Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Jan 09 08:29:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 16:29:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 19612 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 16:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 16:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 16:24:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.117] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2001 16:24:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:24:37 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: +infinity and Agrophobia Message-ID: <93fe05+ilqg@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 203 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com We now have a rule number +infinity. Doesn't this imply that each player has an (infinity/10) = infinity chance of contracting agrophobia each Office Hours? Feyd Hey, nursie, can I have a red pill? From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Jan 09 08:37:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 16:37:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 48604 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 16:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 16:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 17:35:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.120] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2001 16:34:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 16:34:21 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Epidemiologist cures Message-ID: <93feid+79he@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 344 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com Hello all. I am delighted to report that I have a small assortment of Chilean Witch Doctor cures. I'll be glad to help administer these. I currently seem to have developed a taste for pills, so the highest total # of pills bid will receive the cure. Feyd Epidemiologist Addict "Give to me your poor, your hunger, your yellow pills". From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Jan 09 09:59:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 17:59:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 53899 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 17:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 17:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 17:53:41 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010109175651.BGKX382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:56:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010109115620.012b15f0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:56:38 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Feyd Player state is updated In-Reply-To: <93fdp2+ueh7@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart According to the current rules, you administer pills yourself At 04:20 PM 1/9/2001 +0000, you wrote: >may I have a yellow pill? > > >Feyd > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Jan 09 10:20:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 18:20:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 28655 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 18:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 18:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 18:14:25 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010109181736.BJTM382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:17:36 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010109121539.030878c8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:17:23 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Doc, HELP! Glam Shoulder Rocks... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Doc, I desperate in need am! I, I, I, think straight can't!!!! Please Shoulder Glam Rocks operate soon on!!! Ottis From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Jan 09 10:23:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 18:23:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 469 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 18:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 18:18:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.46) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 18:18:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.100] by fj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2001 18:18:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:18:28 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Feyd Player state is updated Message-ID: <93fklk+no7b@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010109115620.012b15f0@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 246 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com Can't a man beg for pills in peace? Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > According to the current rules, you administer pills yourself > > At 04:20 PM 1/9/2001 +0000, you wrote: > >may I have a yellow pill? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Tue Jan 09 11:25:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 19:25:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 92105 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 19:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 19:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 19:23:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f09KDTb19172 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:13:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:13:29 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Blod Donation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I would like to donate some blood. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 09 11:40:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 19:39:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 46496 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 19:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 19:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 20:39:04 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00882766@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:37:58 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA13815; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:37:57 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Doc, HELP! Glam Shoulder Rocks... References: <4.1.20010109121539.030878c8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 09 Jan 2001 14:37:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:17:23 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I desperate in need am! I, I, I, think straight can't!!!! Please Shoulder > Glam Rocks operate soon on!!! The operation was a success. Here, wear this sling for a week or so. No heavy lifting, and stay out of the discos for a while. I'll just take that 350 cash since you're not using it. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Jan 09 13:06:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 21:06:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 95387 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 21:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 21:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 21:04:50 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010109210801.CMWO382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:08:01 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010109150631.030f66c8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:07:46 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Doc, HELP! Glam Shoulder Rocks... In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20010109121539.030878c8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Whew! Thanks Doc! I was really starting to feel the strain of carrying around the lame earlobe that Glam Rock Shoulder gave me without the sling. At 02:37 PM 1/9/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Ottis Airhart writes: > >> I desperate in need am! I, I, I, think straight can't!!!! Please Shoulder >> Glam Rocks operate soon on!!! > >The operation was a success. Here, wear this sling for a week or so. >No heavy lifting, and stay out of the discos for a while. I'll just >take that 350 cash since you're not using it. > >-- >- Doc > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Jan 09 13:09:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 21:09:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 9952 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 21:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 21:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2001 21:08:21 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010109211132.CNKS382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:11:32 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010109151018.013c3e10@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:11:19 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Blod Donation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart At 12:13 PM 1/9/2001 -0800, you wrote: > I would like to donate some blood. Jeff successfully donated one pint of Blod... um, I mean Blood. Who's next? Don't let your blood test expire before you donate your Blood (or is it Blod?) Sorry Jeff. (See subject) Ottis From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Tue Jan 09 15:41:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 9 Jan 2001 23:41:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 12128 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2001 23:34:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2001 23:34:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 00:35:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0A0OwJ19325 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:25:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:24:58 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Blod Donation In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010109151018.013c3e10@pop3.ispchannel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Ottis Airhart wrote: > At 12:13 PM 1/9/2001 -0800, you wrote: > Sorry Jeff. (See subject) Yeah yeah... I saw it about the same time I hit "send". *sigh* From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Jan 09 21:25:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 05:25:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 84641 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 05:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 05:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 06:26:50 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010110052858.FSNC382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:28:58 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010109232414.030cd008@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:28:43 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Diseases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart In an attempt to save work for the Doc, the following set of emails shall adjust his workload. Since the Nurse is always the frontline defense for the Doc, and more likely to pass diseases from one player to the next, change the second paragraph in Diseases to the following: Some Diseases are communicable. During each Office Hours, the Nurse shall pick two random Players. Any Airborne Disease borne by the first shall be contracted by the second. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Jan 09 21:29:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 05:29:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 50560 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 05:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 05:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 05:29:05 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010110053219.FSZY382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:32:19 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010109232844.0127c8f0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:32:03 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Diseases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Change the third and fourth paragraph in Diseases to: During the Office Hours, for each Airborne Disease, the Epidemiologist will select two players at random. There is a 25% chance each player will contract the Airborne Disease. During the Office Hours, the Epidemiologist will randomly select one player and randomly select one non-airborne disease. The player will contract this disease. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Jan 09 21:35:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 05:35:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 12107 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 05:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 05:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 05:35:43 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010110053856.FTVE382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:38:56 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010109233210.013a96e0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:38:40 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Diseases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Change the term "Airborne Disease" in the second paragraph to the term "communicable". Remove from the second paragraph the following statement: "Some diseases are communicable." Insert a paragraph after the fourth paragraph that states the following: "Some diseases are communicable and therefore contagious. Communicable diseases include the following types: Airborne." From oairhart@ispchannel.com Tue Jan 09 21:59:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 05:59:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 85040 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 05:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 05:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 05:55:18 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010110055831.FWDI382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:58:31 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010109233924.0315a128@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:58:16 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Diseases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Add the following disease to the list: The Sniffles (Airborne) The Sniffles is an annoying little disease. A player with this disease has a nagging nasal drip. When contracted the player is given the pamphlet "101 Ways To Avoid Infection" (which can serve double duty as a tissue in an emergency). Each message to the mailing list from a player with The Sniffles must include *sniff* at least twice or they shall lose 2 body points due to congestion. The next player to send a message to the mailing list after a message from a player with The Sniffles with *sniff* in the message, has a 50% chance of contracting The Sniffles unless they offer the infected player a tissue in the beginning of that message. The Nurse can be contacted by any player should the need arise to treat the possibly infected player. There is no cure for The Sniffles, but it will dry up and go away during Office Hours if the player has posted at least one message to the mailing list while infected containing *sniff*. From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Wed Jan 10 00:09:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 08:09:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 2766 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 08:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 08:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 08:09:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (line23.surf2000.de [193.41.36.23]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0A89l815498 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:09:47 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=Wintermute) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14GG5m-000096-00 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:54:46 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Fresh Blood X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 10 Jan 2001 08:54:42 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch Hi! I'd like to donate a pint of blood (something I haven't even done in real life... I really should!). Btw, who organizes this in your countries? In Germany, it's either the Red Cross, you get no money for it but there's a huge buffet, or hospitals, where you get money but no food. Curiously, Britta (I hope I won't faint!) -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Jan 10 07:10:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 15:10:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 99044 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 15:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 15:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 15:07:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.209] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2001 15:07:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:07:00 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Ottis -- Great idea!! But... Message-ID: <93htqk+seof@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010109233924.0315a128@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 341 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com Ottis, This is a great idea. But now you have 3 people that have to work during the same office hours. And we are in vastly different time zones. Maybe remove Nurse work from "Office Hours" and place it in "Nurse Hours" and move the Epidemiologist work to "Disease Hours" or some other kindly name. Same restrictions as doc. Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Jan 10 07:14:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 15:14:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 8001 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 15:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 15:09:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mu.egroups.com) (10.1.1.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 15:09:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.120] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2001 15:09:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:09:38 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Fresh Blood Message-ID: <93htvi+2nq9@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 608 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Britta Koch wrote: > Btw, who organizes this in your countries? In Germany, it's either the > Red Cross, you get no money for it but there's a huge buffet, or > hospitals, where you get money but no food. The Red Cross does almost all blood donation in the US. You get a couple cookies and a cool t-shirt. On the other hand, most colleges have small places nearby where students can donate plasma for a small amount of money. I have been diabetic since I was a teen, so I have never been allowed to donate blood. They still stick me enough though! Feyd From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Wed Jan 10 07:20:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 15:20:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 84671 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 15:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 15:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 15:15:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0AG69K19777 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:06:11 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:06:09 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend Therapy Session Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" In the spirit of reducing Doc's workload, I make the following proposal: Amend rule 22 by replacing every occurence of "Doc" with "The Psychiatrist". Also, strike the (newly amended) sentence, "The player will pay The Psychiatrist fifty (50) cash for the session," and replace it with the following sentences: The player will pay the hospital fifty (50) cash for the session. The hospital will pay The Psychiatrist five (5) cash for each therapy session they hold. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Wed Jan 10 08:09:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 16:09:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 62803 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 15:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 15:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 15:59:50 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010110160303.IIKK382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:03:03 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010110095939.031aaef8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:02:46 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Fresh Blood In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart >I'd like to donate a pint of blood >Britta (I hope I won't faint!) Done, thanks for the donation! I also updated Jeff's stats. I forgot to give him money, etc for his BLOD donation. Once Kevan and poor Mark donate their pint, we might have enough to support the Hospital. The Nurse From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 10 09:42:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 17:42:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 34126 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 17:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 17:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 17:29:55 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00887812@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:29:54 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA08447; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:29:53 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Ottis -- Great idea!! But... References: <93htqk+seof@eGroups.com> Date: 10 Jan 2001 12:29:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:07:00 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > This is a great idea. > But now you have 3 people that have to work during the same office > hours. And we are in vastly different time zones. Maybe remove > Nurse work from "Office Hours" and place it in "Nurse Hours" and move > the Epidemiologist work to "Disease Hours" or some other kindly > name. Same restrictions as doc. I was going to say something like that. Especially since Office Hours are supposed to be *sometime* on Thursday, but no telling when, and can be postponed -- and thus far at least, and probably forever, I won't know when I'll do Office Hours until I'm about to do them. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Wed Jan 10 10:33:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 18:33:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 93213 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 18:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 18:16:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 18:16:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0AJ5mG19869 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:06:15 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:05:48 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Ammend Proposals - Judgement Order In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010104003147.010f3e98@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Just a gentle reminder about a proposal that's been out there a while... On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Jeff Weston wrote: > ----- Start Proposal ----- > > Ammend rule 3 by adding the following sentence to the end of paragraph 3: > Proposals must be judged in the order in which they were proposed. > > ----- End Proposal ----- > > I find it confusing trying to keep track of which proposals are pending, > or have already been judged, if proposals are judged out of order. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Wed Jan 10 12:10:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 20:10:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 21274 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 19:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 19:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 19:54:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0AKiHG19927 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:44:31 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:44:17 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend Office Hours Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Amend rule 13 to read in full: The various office holders of the game must hold individual Office Hours at a time of their choosing every Thursday. The Office Hours for an individual office holder last for as long as it takes for that office holder to process every action required for that Office Hours. Each office holder may delay their Office Hours up to six days, or cancel them completely if they find themselves too busy. With the exception of Doc, If an office holder is unable to hold their office hours for two consectutive weeks, that office holder must be replaced by a player of Doc's choosing. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 10 12:25:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 10 Jan 2001 20:24:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 1085 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2001 20:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2001 20:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 10 Jan 2001 21:12:12 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008887BC@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:11:07 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA27546; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:11:06 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Ammend Proposals - Judgement Order References: <3.0.6.32.20010104003147.010f3e98@mail198193.popserver.pop.net> Date: 10 Jan 2001 15:11:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jeff Weston's message of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 00:31:47 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jeff Weston writes: > Ammend rule 3 by adding the following sentence to the end of paragraph 3: > Proposals must be judged in the order in which they were proposed. "Amend" still has only one "m" in it, but ACCEPTED. 1 green. -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Jan 11 02:22:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 10:22:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 67623 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 10:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 10:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 10:22:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.110] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2001 10:22:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:22:31 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal : Amendment to Diseases (Sore Throat) Message-ID: <93k1h7+28pb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 566 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Sore Throat { Reproposal with a less baffling subject line. } Create a new Disease in Rule 10:- Sore Throat (Airborne) If a Player has a Sore Throat, they may only take Blue Pills (known for their anaesthetic qualities), unless they have taken a Blue Pill during the past hour, in which case they may take any Pills. Every Red Pill a Player takes has a 50% chance of curing them of Sore Throat. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Jan 11 03:51:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 11:51:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 65607 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 11:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 11:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 12:53:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.28] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2001 11:51:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:51:49 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal : Amendment to Proposals (!) Message-ID: <93k6ol+sf89@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1373 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Re-relaxed Proposals Repeal Rule 21 ("Proposal Framework"). Replace the first sentence of Rule 3 ("Proposals") with "Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List (one Proposal per message; more than one separate Proposal in a single email will result in all of those Proposals being ignored)." To the second paragraph of Rule 3, add the sentence "This label should reflect the intentions of the Proposal." { Final stab to tidy this up. Most importantly, if we've got harsh restrictions that could result in Proposals being ignored, it only seems fair to mention these in the "Proposals" rule. Less importantly, but still fairly so, the strict guidelines for subject lines are inconsistent (no comment on repeals, haziness on multiple amendments), and somewhat stifling to wit and clarity - a mandatory "Proposal: Amend Therapy Session" seems less insightful than "Proposal: Psychiatric Sessions" or something. And it's fairly easy to forget to change to an arbitrary subject-line format if you decide to change your new Enactment into an Amendment before you Propose it. (Is "amend" counted as "minor spelling variation" of "amendment to", by the way?) } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From m.couchman@bigwig.net Thu Jan 11 05:53:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 13:53:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 63322 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 13:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 13:53:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 13:53:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.99] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2001 13:53:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:53:16 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: vaccination Message-ID: <93kdsc+p922@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 712 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net {This is my first proposal in my first game, which I make with some trepidation. Hello everybody!} -------------------------------- Proposal for a new rule, "vaccination" a) A player may buy a vaccination at a cost of 100 cash points. When a player has been vaccinated, their chance of contracting a communicable disease by any means is reduced by 40% while the vaccine is in effect. The effects commence immediately the vaccine has been given, and end at the start of the second Office Hours after the vaccination is received. b) On each occasion that a vaccine is taken, there is a 10% chance of an adverse reaction, which manifests itself as a Horrid Rash. ------------------------------ Martin From m.couchman@bigwig.net Thu Jan 11 05:53:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 13:53:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 14910 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 13:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 13:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 14:54:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.99] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2001 13:53:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:53:43 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to diseases (Horrid Rash) Message-ID: <93kdt7+94ju@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 337 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net Horrid Rash A possible side effect of vaccination. A Horrid Rash eliminates all benefits of a player's current vaccination, and instead increases a player's chance of contracting any communicable disease by 20%. A Horrid Rash may be cured by taking one green pill, or it will cure itself when the effects of the vaccine wear off. From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Jan 11 08:56:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 16:56:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 4092 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 16:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 16:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hm.egroups.com) (10.1.10.45) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 17:48:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.109] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2001 16:47:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:47:00 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Fresh Blood Message-ID: <93ko24+74ko@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010110095939.031aaef8@pop3.ispchannel.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 398 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > >I'd like to donate a pint of blood > >Britta (I hope I won't faint!) > > Done, thanks for the donation! Hm, didn't Britta have a communicable disease (Bit of a Cough) at the time of donation, though? > Once Kevan and poor Mark donate their pint, we might have enough to support > the Hospital. I shall donate a pint, then. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "That's nearly an armful!" From kevan@somethingorother.com Thu Jan 11 09:00:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 17:00:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 20512 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 16:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 16:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.46) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 16:51:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.117] by fj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2001 16:51:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:50:57 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal : Amendment to Diseases (Finite Agoraphobia) Message-ID: <93ko9h+iuo8@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 436 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Finite Agoraphobia In the Rule "Diseases", in the definition of Agoraphobia, replace "where 'x' is the highest Rule number in the Ruleset" with "where 'x' is the number of Rules in the Ruleset". { To avoid any dangerous infinity-percentage sums during the next Office Hours. } --------------------------------------------------------------------- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 09:19:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 17:19:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 68804 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 17:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 17:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 18:08:29 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111171038.QKST382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:10:38 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111110427.032e7a00@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:10:18 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Fresh Blood In-Reply-To: <93ko24+74ko@eGroups.com> References: <4.1.20010110095939.031aaef8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart >Hm, didn't Britta have a communicable disease (Bit of a Cough) at the >time of donation, though? > >I shall donate a pint, then. > >Kevan She sure did, thanks for pointing that out. I have made the changes. Your blood has been processed. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 09:34:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 17:34:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 26768 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 17:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 17:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 18:24:10 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111172619.QOBQ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:26:19 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111111022.03322f18@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:25:59 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report: Blood 1/11/01 (A) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Unfortunately, It appears the Blood Bank had made an error concerning its ability to accept a gracious donation from Britta. During her last blood test, "A Bit of a Cough" (ABoaC) was discovered. Because of the discovery of a communicable disease within 7 days of donation, and because the player had the disease at the time of donation, the Nurse had to carefully sort through the pints donated and pick out the one from Britta to be discarded. The blood was donated to the zoo to be used as gravy for the tiger cage. Since the error was ours, the Blood Bank has miraculously given Britta back her body points and retracted its payment of soul points and cash points. Britta, your next blood test can be performed on 1/18/2001 at 6:10pm CST. Nurse Ottis From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 11 11:29:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 19:29:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 26449 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 19:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 19:15:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 20:16:37 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0088E89A@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:15:31 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29193; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:15:30 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Diseases References: <4.1.20010109232414.030cd008@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 11 Jan 2001 14:15:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:28:43 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > In an attempt to save work for the Doc, the following set of emails shall > adjust his workload. > > Since the Nurse is always the frontline defense for the Doc, and more > likely to pass diseases from one player to the next, change the second > paragraph in Diseases to the following: > > Some Diseases are communicable. During each Office Hours, the Nurse shall > pick two random Players. Any Airborne Disease borne by the first shall be > contracted by the second. ACCEPTED. 1 purple. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 11 11:30:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 19:30:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 40116 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 19:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 19:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 19:16:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0088E8B8@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:16:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29298; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:16:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Diseases References: <4.1.20010109233210.013a96e0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 11 Jan 2001 14:16:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:38:40 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Change the term "Airborne Disease" in the second paragraph to the term > "communicable". > > Remove from the second paragraph the following statement: > "Some diseases are communicable." > > Insert a paragraph after the fourth paragraph that states the following: > "Some diseases are communicable and therefore contagious. Communicable > diseases include the following types: Airborne." ACCEPTED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 11 11:31:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 19:31:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 74102 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 19:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 19:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 19:16:05 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0088E8AB@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:16:04 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29275; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:16:04 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Diseases References: <4.1.20010109232844.0127c8f0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 11 Jan 2001 14:16:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:32:03 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Change the third and fourth paragraph in Diseases to: > > During the Office Hours, for each Airborne Disease, the Epidemiologist will > select two players at random. There is a 25% chance each player will > contract the Airborne Disease. > > During the Office Hours, the Epidemiologist will randomly select one player > and randomly select one non-airborne disease. The player will contract this > disease. ACCEPTED. 1 purple. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 11 11:33:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 19:33:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 14361 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 19:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 19:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 20:21:30 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0088E91D@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:20:07 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29799; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:20:06 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Diseases References: <4.1.20010109233924.0315a128@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 11 Jan 2001 14:20:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Tue, 09 Jan 2001 23:58:16 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Add the following disease to the list: > > The Sniffles (Airborne) > The Sniffles is an annoying little disease. A player with this disease has > a nagging nasal drip. When contracted the player is given the pamphlet "101 > Ways To Avoid Infection" (which can serve double duty as a tissue in an > emergency). Each message to the mailing list from a player with The > Sniffles must include *sniff* at least twice or they shall lose 2 body > points due to congestion. > > The next player to send a message to the mailing list after a message from > a player with The Sniffles with *sniff* in the message, has a 50% chance of > contracting The Sniffles unless they offer the infected player a tissue in > the beginning of that message. The Nurse can be contacted by any player > should the need arise to treat the possibly infected player. > > There is no cure for The Sniffles, but it will dry up and go away during > Office Hours if the player has posted at least one message to the mailing > list while infected containing *sniff*. REJECTED. It's my distaste for required text in all messages. Ottis has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 11 11:35:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 19:35:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 47203 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 19:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 19:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 20:22:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0088E93B@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:21:30 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29912; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:21:29 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Therapy Session References: Date: 11 Jan 2001 14:21:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:06:09 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > In the spirit of reducing Doc's workload, I make the following > proposal: > > Amend rule 22 by replacing every occurence of "Doc" with "The > Psychiatrist". > > Also, strike the (newly amended) sentence, "The player will pay > The Psychiatrist fifty (50) cash for the session," and replace it with the > following sentences: > > The player will pay the hospital fifty (50) cash for the session. The > hospital will pay The Psychiatrist five (5) cash for each therapy session > they hold. ACCEPTED. 1 purple. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 11 11:36:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 19:36:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 48383 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 19:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 19:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 19:21:55 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0088E940@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:21:53 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29946; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:21:53 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Office Hours References: Date: 11 Jan 2001 14:21:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:44:17 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Amend rule 13 to read in full: > > The various office holders of the game must hold individual Office Hours > at a time of their choosing every Thursday. The Office Hours for an > individual office holder last for as long as it takes for that office > holder to process every action required for that Office Hours. > > Each office holder may delay their Office Hours up to six days, or cancel > them completely if they find themselves too busy. With the exception of > Doc, If an office holder is unable to hold their office hours for two > consectutive weeks, that office holder must be replaced by a player of > Doc's choosing. ACCEPTED. 1 purple. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 11 11:59:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 19:59:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 13086 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 19:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 19:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 19:47:28 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0088EBB0@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:47:27 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA03455; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:47:26 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Mark's soul Date: 11 Jan 2001 14:47:26 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu I see Kevan entered Mark on the PDP with 68 soul points, computed as an average of all other players SPs including Jon's 0. Seems rather unfair to penalize Mark for Jon's nonparticipation, so I'm resetting Mark's SPs to 79, that being the average with Jon omitted. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 11 11:59:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 19:59:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 43029 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 19:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 19:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 20:49:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0088EBCA@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:48:06 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA03530; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:48:05 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Jon Date: 11 Jan 2001 14:48:04 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 6 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Jon is hereby removed from the player list. Kevan, could you modify the PDP accordingly, please? -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 11 12:03:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 20:03:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 78337 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 19:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 19:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 19:51:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.126] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2001 19:51:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:50:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Epidemiologist Office Hours Message-ID: <93l2qt+ttiv@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 194 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com I'll be holding my regular office hours tonight. I have not cured anyone of a disease yet. First come, first served. And if you give me a pill or two, I'm much more likely to heal ya!! Feyd From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 13:08:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 21:08:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 99516 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 20:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 20:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 20:56:56 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111210010.RYME382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:00:10 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111144747.030d8e40@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:59:50 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Office Hours Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Replace the third sentence in Rule 13 to state: Each office holder may by announcement to the mailing list, delay their Office Hours up to six days, temporarily defer their Office Hours to another officer, or cancel them completely if they find themselves too busy. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 13:11:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 21:11:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 6879 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 20:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 20:59:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 20:59:05 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111210219.RYUS382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:02:19 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111145956.0328ae08@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:01:59 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Pills for charity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Feyd, *sniff* I love you man! *sniff* You've always been so good to us, and, and, and... *sniff* no one ever tries to help you out... *sniff* *ptptptpptptptptptptptptptptp* So here is 3 green pills... I hope you get better soon... Ottis From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 13:20:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 21:20:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 32091 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 21:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 21:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 21:05:58 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111210912.RZXM382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:09:12 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111150411.03214c68@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:08:52 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Diseases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart To further aid the Doc's required tasks during Office Hours, amend the first sentence under the Addiction disease to state: The Nurse, during Office Hours, shall choose the player with the most pills (regardless of color) to be the "Addict" until the next Office Hours. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 11 13:22:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 21:22:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 40055 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 21:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 21:08:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 21:08:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0BLvqV20613 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:57:59 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:57:52 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Psychiatrist: Request for Therapy Session Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Hello, I would like to schedule a therapy session to help ensure my sanity. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 13:27:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 21:27:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 59515 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 21:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 21:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 21:14:01 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111211715.SBNF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:17:15 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111150854.012d8e80@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:16:55 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Blood Bank Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Change the first paragraph to: The Blood Bank stores blood collected from the players to be used for medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and to increase one's health. The Blood Bank is part of the gamestate and shall have its status stored in an egroups database at . The Blood Bank is maintained by the Nurse and is open for donations or purchases during the Nurse's Office Hours. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 13:31:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 21:31:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 74870 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 21:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 21:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 21:17:50 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111212104.SCDU382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:21:04 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111151755.03233a60@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:20:44 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Blood Test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Add the word "diseases" to the end of the third sentence. And change the last two sentences to the following: There must be one Nurse's Office Hours between each blood test for a particular player. The Nurse performs all blood tests during the Nurse's Office Hours by request in an email sent to the mailing list with a subject: "Blood Test:" followed by the player's name. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 11 13:43:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 21:43:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 21133 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 21:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 21:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 22:31:22 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0088F36D@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:30:17 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA16209; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:30:16 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Office hours Date: 11 Jan 2001 16:30:16 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 59 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu COMMUNICABLE DISEASES: (Now handled by Nurse and Epidemiologist) ADDICT: Since last Office Hours (message #451) until now Kevan has posted 2 non-proposal messages that do not ask for pills (#482, 483). However, none of these were pointed out. By my reading of the rules, that means Feyd loses no soul points. Feyd still has the most pills. Now here's a conundrum: Does he get cured of addition and re-contract it, or does he just continue to have it? It's not clear in the rules. I'll assume the latter, so (1) he doesn't get a 25% chance to avoid addiction but (2) he also doesn't lose 3 BP / 5 SP. MIGRAINES: There have been 59 messages since last Office Hours. x/10 = 5 (the rules don't say whether to round down but I will.) Mark has migraine. He loses 5 BP, 5 SP. All players (except Mark) have 5% chance of contracting a Migraine. 6 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.938690185546875 0.353759765625 0.597503662109375 0.74359130859375 0.656494140625 0.910614013671875 No one gets Migraine. NASTY COUGH: Britta has Bit of a Cough. 30% chance of changing to Nasty Cough. 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.478515625 No change. THERAPY: (Now handled by Psychiatrist.) BLOOD DONATION: Since this is only the third Office Hours, I don't think anyone can be fined for failing to donate blood within the last four Office Hours. Game state updated. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 11 13:55:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 21:55:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 91724 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 21:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 21:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 21:41:15 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0088F4CC@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:40:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA17281; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:40:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Directive: Office Hours Date: 11 Jan 2001 16:40:28 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 61 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nice work on redistributing the Office Hours. A few places could use some touching up -- where there are references to Office Hours but not to *whose* Office Hours. In rules relating to duties of other officers I'll assume it's their Office Hours. Otherwise, in the following, I'll assume these refer to my Office hours. Clarification amendments would be good. Rule 11: Any Player may collect their Wages if they have not already done so since the most recent Office Hours. Bit of a Cough (Airborne) If a Player takes a Green Pill, and also took a Green Pill between the previous two Office Hours, that Player is cured of this Disease. Addiction (Psychosis) Once a week, during Office Hours, the player with the most pills (regardless of color) is designated the "Addict" for the upcoming week. ... Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued as an action for the next Office Hours. Migraine (Non-Contagious) During Office Hours:- - All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and x/10 Soul Points. - All other Players each have an 'x/10' per cent chance of contracting a Migraine. ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since the end of the previous Office Hours. Nasty Cough (Airborne) During Office Hours, any Player with A Bit of a Cough has a 30% chance of that Disease being replaced by Nasty Cough. If a Player would catch Nasty Cough from another Player, they catch A Bit of a Cough instead.
Each Green Pill a Player takes has a 30% of curing them of this Disease. Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) This Disease causes its sufferer to lose 4 Body Points during every subsequent Office Hours, and can be operated on by Doc or the Nurse for 350 Cash. [Forgot to deduct BPs for Mark's Glam Rock Shoulder... I'll get to that.] -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 11 14:09:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 22:09:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 1080 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 21:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 21:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hm.egroups.com) (10.1.10.45) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 21:54:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.103] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2001 21:54:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:54:05 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: The surgeon Message-ID: <93la1t+asbs@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1807 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com Create a new rule as follows: Surgeon The surgeon is in charge of operations and physical wounds. The name of the player who holds the office of Surgeon is part of the gamestate. The Surgeon is responsible for hosting a database at http://www.egroups.com/database/DocNomic to hold all diseases of type "Injury" and "Physical" [[to be definied in next proposal]]and eir cure(s). The Surgeon is bound by the rules of Office Hours as stated in Rule 13. During eir Office Hours the Surgeon performs the following actions: a. Perform all cures for Injuries requested by players. The surgeon is responsible for updating the PDP for all cures e performs. b. Pay eirself wages of 1 Red pill, 2 purple pills, and 50 Cash. At any time between eir Office the Surgeon may perform "Regular Surgery" on any player any number of times. It costs the Surgeon 50 cash and 1 green pill to perform the surgury (in addition to the costs described by the "Injury" or "Physical", and any charges of the Surgeon to the player), paid to the bank. There is a 75% chance that any given "Regular Surgery" will succeed, unless specified differently in the definition of the "Injury" or "Physical". The Surgeon gains 4 Soul for each sucessful "Regular Surgery" performed. The surgeon may not perform surgery on eirself. Because of their knowlege of the physical body they can trade 2 soul for 1 body at any time. =================END OF PROPOSAL===================================== There is no unusual chance of failure during office hours, so players may want to wait. However, there is a minimun fee for operations during game, and the soul bonus may be enough to encourage the Surgeon to help others. The surgeon is appointed by the Doc, and can be replaced by the Doc at any time. Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 11 14:20:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 22:20:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 41002 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 22:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 22:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 23:06:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.106] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jan 2001 22:05:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:05:24 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to rule infinity+: more diseases Message-ID: <93lan4+3pav@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 890 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com Amend rule infinity+ as follows Add the statements to the top of the rule: The Epidemiologist cannot cure diseases of type "Injury". Change the type of disease "Glam Rock Shoulder" from "Physical" to "Injury" Add the following diseases: Broken Nose ("Injury"). A player with a broken nose loses 5 body when this disease is contracted and 5 Body per office hours until it is cured. A Broken Nose takes 1 pint of blood, 1 green pill, and 50 cash to heal. If attempted as "Regular Surgery" there is a 100% chance of success. A contracts "Broken Nose" when another states: "I give a broken nose!". This costs the 5 soul (this is a mean thing to do) and 25 cash (lawsuit protection). If the alreay has a broken nose it only costs em 3 soul and 25 cash to give another player a broken nose. From jjweston@pop.net Thu Jan 11 15:08:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 23:08:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 97495 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 22:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 22:59:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 22:59:21 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id PAA76975; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:59:21 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:59:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200101112259.PAA76975@www.irony.com> To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Two active players chosen for communicable diseases X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Two active players chosen for communicable diseases docnomic@egroups.com requested that 2 rolls of a 7-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 6. Roll 2: 2. Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOl46xLyfeleUG9SNAQG2WwH/Ts4ZgPLxkEbCzZ8eO01NIVo7EJfMxKlC ckPJEKTLRDBAJOFlU1zDRXRV/njJMccgMDfKQRlhpgmRR+PA+VZzUg== =pnXi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 15:11:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 23:11:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 52669 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 23:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 23:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 00:04:08 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111230617.STSZ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:06:17 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111170306.0315c350@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:05:56 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Office Hours: Nurse Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I encourage all officers to label their Office Hours similar to my subject line for clarity. Nurse's Office Hours open. COMMUNICABLE DISEASE TRANSFER I rolled two dice between 1 and 7 for seven players as listed in order on the PDP. The first roll chose Feyd who only has the Addiction disease and is not communicable. The second player was Britta, but Feyd has no communicable diseases. Nurse's Office Hours closed. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 15:13:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 23:13:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 60787 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 23:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 23:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 00:06:20 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111230828.SUDU382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:08:28 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111170620.01359d10@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:08:08 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Rule 11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Change the following line from: Any Player may collect their Wages if they have not already done so since the most recent Office Hours. to: Any Player may collect their Wages if they have not already done so since Doc's most recent Office Hours. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 15:16:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 23:16:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 23012 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 23:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 23:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 00:08:11 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111231020.SULE382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:10:20 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111170833.032e3598@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:09:59 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Diseases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Change the line contained within the Bit of a Cough disease from: If a Player takes a Green Pill, and also took a Green Pill between the previous two Office Hours, that Player is cured of this Disease. to: If a Player takes a Green Pill, and also took a Green Pill between the previous two Office Hours held by Doc, that Player is cured of this Disease. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 15:20:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 23:20:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 32733 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 23:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 23:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 00:12:24 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111231433.SVBU382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:14:33 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111171007.0331d4a8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:14:13 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Diseases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Change the following line contained within the Addiction disease from: Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued as an action for the next Office Hours. to: Failure to do so will cause the addict to lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, who shall make the appropriate changes using the Players Details Page. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 15:23:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 23:23:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 81170 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 23:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 23:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 23:14:01 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111231714.SVMK382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:17:14 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111171448.032872b8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:16:54 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Diseases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Make the following changes to the Migrane disease from: During Office Hours:- - All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and x/10 Soul Points. - All other Players each have an 'x/10' per cent chance of contracting a Migraine. ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since the end of the previous Office Hours. to: During the Nurse's Office Hours:- - All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and x/10 Soul Points. - All other Players each have an 'x/10' per cent chance of contracting a Migraine. ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since the end of the previous Nurse's Office Hours. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 15:26:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 23:26:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 94699 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 23:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 23:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 00:18:55 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111232104.SWEC382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:21:04 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111171913.03230d48@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:20:44 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Diseases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Make the following changes to the Glam Rock Shoulder disease from: This Disease causes its sufferer to lose 4 Body Points during every subsequent Office Hours, and can be operated on by Doc or the Nurse for 350 Cash. to: This Disease causes its sufferer to lose 4 Body Points during every subsequent Office Hours held by Doc, and can be operated on by Doc or the Nurse for 350 Cash. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 15:27:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 23:27:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 50907 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 23:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 23:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 00:16:42 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111231850.SVVM382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:18:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111171732.032330a8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:18:30 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Diseases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Change the text found in the Nasty Cough disease from: During Office Hours, to During the Doc's Office Hours, From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 15:36:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 23:36:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 21687 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 23:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 23:25:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 23:25:42 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111232855.SXNV382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:28:55 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111172159.0307e478@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:28:35 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order: The Addict In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Doc, In your Office Hours email you stated the following: First: >ADDICT: > >Since last Office Hours (message #451) until now Kevan has posted 2 >non-proposal messages that do not ask for pills (#482, 483). However, >none of these were pointed out. By my reading of the rules, that >means Feyd loses no soul points. If you so chose to point them out (which you did) you may deduct the soul points. The rule states: "Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued as an action for the next Office Hours." You can claim the 2 soul points as having been pointed out by yourself. Secondly, you also then went on to state: >Feyd still has the most pills. Now here's a conundrum: Does he get >cured of addition and re-contract it, or does he just continue to have >it? It's not clear in the rules. I'll assume the latter, so (1) he >doesn't get a 25% chance to avoid addiction but (2) he also doesn't >lose 3 BP / 5 SP. Let me again refer to the rules: "Once a week, during Office Hours, the player with the most pills (regardless of color) is designated the "Addict" for the upcoming week." So, at this point, Feyd has been designated the "Addict" for the upcoming week because this week, during Office Hours, he was the player with the most pills. Let me go on with the rule: "Addicts are fragile things, and therefore lose 3 body and 5 soul points at the beginning of the week they are designated the Addict." Since he was just designated the "Addict" for the upcoming week, regardless of last week, he shall lose 3 body and 5 soul points. Each week a player is designation the Addict. It is irregardless of last weeks designation. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 11 15:43:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 23:43:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 47580 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 23:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 23:33:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 00:34:35 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010111233644.SYQI382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:36:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010111173015.03210ba0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:36:24 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Diseases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Add the following disease to the list: The Sniffles (Airborne) The Sniffles is an annoying little disease that is highly contagious. A player with this disease has a nagging nasal drip. When contracted the player is given the pamphlet "101 Ways To Avoid Infection" (which can serve double duty as a tissue in an emergency). The next player to send a message to the mailing list after a message from a player with The Sniffles has a 37% chance of contracting The Sniffles during the next Nurse's Office Hours. There is no cure for The Sniffles, but it will dry up and go away during the Nurse's Office Hours if the infected player requests treatment. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 11 15:50:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 11 Jan 2001 23:50:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 35609 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2001 23:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jan 2001 23:40:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2001 23:40:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0C0Ua420760 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:30:43 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:30:36 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal : Amendment to Nurse, The Epidemiologist, Therapy Session, and Blood Bank Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Amend the second paragraph of "Nurse" by striking the phrase, "since the most recent Office Hours" and replacing it with "since Doc's most recent Office Hours". Amend the second paragraph of "The Epidemiologist" by striking the phrase "between Office Hours" and replacing it with "between Doc's Office Hours". Also, amend the fifth paragraph by striking the phrase "Between Office Hours" and replacing it with "During their Office Hours". Amend "Therapy Session" by striking the phrase, "During Office Hours", and replacing it with "During their Office Hours". Also amend it, by striking the phrase "for a particular office hours" and replacing it with "for each of the Psychiatrist's Office Hours". Amend the second paragraph of "Blood Bank" by striking the phrase, "once per four Office Hours", and replacing it with "once per four of Doc's Office Hours". From m.couchman@bigwig.net Fri Jan 12 01:29:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 09:29:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 90203 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 09:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 09:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cj.egroups.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 09:29:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.100] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2001 09:29:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:29:29 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: proposal: amendment to rule 23 Message-ID: <93mipp+mll1@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 203 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net The word "disease" shall be added to the end of the third sentence of rule 23, which currently reads: "The blood test shall check for any communicable." which in fact isn't quite a sentence at all. From m.couchman@bigwig.net Fri Jan 12 02:31:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 10:31:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 77314 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 10:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 10:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mw.egroups.com) (10.1.2.2) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 11:32:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.25] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2001 10:31:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:31:19 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendments to diseases (hypergreenism, and definitions) Message-ID: <93mmdn+q6kv@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1115 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net Two proposed amendments to Diseases: ============ A) Hypergreenism (non-contagious: blood-borne) Any player who takes five or more green pills in a 24 hour period shall contract hypergreenism, from the time they take the fifth pill. A sufferer of the disease loses 5 body points immediately, and a further 5 body points each time they take a green pill. No blood donations may be made, due to the excessive amount of green in the circulation. Hypergreenism may be cured by receiving a transfusion of two pints of blood, to reduce levels of green, and taking a blue pill. ========================= B) {According to my dictionary, "contagious" means a disease can be caught by contact of skin or clothing. Thus, an airborne disease is not necessarily a contagious disease, so:} Paragraph 5 of rule infinity (diseases) shall be amended to read: Some diseases are communicable. Communicable diseases include the following types: 1) Infectious i)Airborne 2) Contagious. 3) Non-contagious. Non-contagious diseases include the following types: i)Blood-borne From m.couchman@bigwig.net Fri Jan 12 04:31:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 12:31:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 66450 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 12:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 12:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 12:31:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.10.109] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2001 12:31:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:31:06 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: proposal: Amendment to rule 0 Message-ID: <93mtea+e5g3@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 442 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net Rule 0 states in sentence 2 that "Each Rule shall begin with a unique, finite, nonnegative integer number and a brief descriptive name." Rule infinity (Diseases) is in clear breach of this. I propose that the sentence be amended to read: "Each Rule shall begin with a unique, finite, nonnegative integer number and a brief descriptive name, with the exception of rule infinity (Diseases) which need not begin with a finite number." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 12 05:06:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 13:06:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 28710 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 13:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 13:06:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 13:06:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.111] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2001 13:06:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:06:05 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of Order : Addiction Message-ID: <93mvft+fsav@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <93la1t+asbs@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 556 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com Addict Feyd has made two Proposals recently, with no apparent nod to the fact that "the Addict must take 1 red pill in order to make a Proposal". Arguably the following Log entry lets him make one of those Proposals, but I suspect the second should be - in the absence of technology to undo previous events - ignored. 09/01 17:16 - Feyd Feyd takes 1 Red Pill. (+2B/+1S) Rating: 80% (For FoR + Agora) I think the Addict Rule could use some rewording, either way. Hm. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I need pills to wake me up as well." From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Fri Jan 12 05:32:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 13:32:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 25932 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 13:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 13:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 14:33:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (line106.surf2000.de [193.41.36.106]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0CDWpP13186 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:32:51 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=Wintermute) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14H4It-0000Aq-00 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:31:39 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Coma X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 12 Jan 2001 14:31:35 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch [[I'm quite busy and not able to follow the game quite as I should - so I'm taking the easy way out...]] While reading all of the emails in the DocNomic folder, Britta accidentally dropped her mouse into a cup of tea. The resulting sparks caused a fire in her computer and room. Trapped in there, she sprang out of the window onto the street, where a passing car ran her over. She suffered severe head injury and is now lying in coma. Nobody knows when she will wake up... Brittas alternate personality -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 12 06:12:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 14:12:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 67085 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 14:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 14:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 14:11:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.103] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2001 14:11:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:11:19 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: New Blood Message-ID: <93n3a7+s21t@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1356 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > REJECTED. I am not persuaded of the necessity of revamping the > existing Rule. Mm, I was just trying for a bit more aesthetic realism; I quite liked the idea of donors only being temporarily drained of their Body Points... > > Add any or all or none of the following Diseases to Rule 11, at > > Doc's whim:- > > In theory, I can. But it goes against the spirit of the "One proposal > per message, to be judged as a whole" principle embodied in Rule 21. Perhaps - it just seemed a nice benefit of an Imperial Nomic; whereas a normal democratic Nomic would struggle to tally votes on such a concept, it seemed handy to be able to say "Oh, and here are some extra bits to give the main Proposal some use, to give an idea of the sort of thing I'm intending, but they're not essential". Maybe you're right, though; they were unique enough to stand as a Proposal by themselves, even to pass by themselves. Although I must say I'm a bit alarmed by Ottis splitting six tightly connected amendments (I can't imagine any reason why some of them would pass but others wouldn't) into six separate Proposals... Dangerous incentive to split all urgent-fix Proposals into their tiniest legible components, if he gets six approvals and six perks, for this. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Shoplifters of the world, unite and take over." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 12 06:16:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 14:16:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 94977 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 14:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 14:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hh.egroups.com) (10.1.10.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 14:15:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.208] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2001 14:15:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:15:29 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Exciting Dice Rolls Message-ID: <93n3i1+k9k8@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <200101112259.PAA76975@www.irony.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1099 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > docnomic@egroups.com requested that 2 rolls of a 7-sided die be rolled. > Roll them bones ... your dice are > Roll 1: 6. > Roll 2: 2. > > Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com > (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) Since we're only getting these messages sent to the list for verification purposes, that they aren't actually worth reading by anyone except the person rolling them, might it be worth doing what Garden Nomic used to do, and have a separate mailing list for archiving dice rolls? Or I could work something into the PDP, I suppose, a simple little "Roll [ ] [ ]-sided dice" action that would appear in the Change Log as:- 12/01 14:13 - Kevan Kevan rolls 1 5-sided dice. Result: 3 { Electroshock treatment. } Or we could try and tone down as many of the random elements of the game as possible, making them dependent on other things, or on mere whim. Electroshock could give you a Psychosis of the Psychiatrist's choice, provided that no other Player had it, par exemple. Hm. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "The briefest remarks last an age." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 07:13:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 15:13:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 78110 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 15:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 15:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 15:12:55 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00893C94@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:12:54 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA28140; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:12:54 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: New Blood References: <93n3a7+s21t@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 10:12:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:11:19 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Although I must say I'm a bit alarmed by Ottis splitting six tightly > connected amendments (I can't imagine any reason why some of them > would pass but others wouldn't) into six separate Proposals... > Dangerous incentive to split all urgent-fix Proposals into their > tiniest legible components, if he gets six approvals and six perks, > for this. I agree, and am considering remedies. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Jan 12 08:17:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:17:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 67837 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 17:12:07 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010112161415.XPGW382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:14:15 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010112101216.0305a7a0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:13:53 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: New Blood In-Reply-To: <93n3a7+s21t@eGroups.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart >Although I must say I'm a bit alarmed by Ottis splitting six tightly >connected amendments (I can't imagine any reason why some of them >would pass but others wouldn't) into six separate Proposals... >Dangerous incentive to split all urgent-fix Proposals into their >tiniest legible components, if he gets six approvals and six perks, >for this. (alarm, sorry, just kidding). I had noticed that Doc was serious about the one proposal per message rule so I made sure the proposals were seperated. Good argument for your case, though. Ottis From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Jan 12 08:18:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:18:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 12149 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:12:29 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010112161543.XPLU382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:15:43 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010112101433.032f8f28@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:15:21 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Exciting Dice Rolls In-Reply-To: <93n3i1+k9k8@eGroups.com> References: <200101112259.PAA76975@www.irony.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart At 02:15 PM 1/12/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Or I could work something into the PDP, I suppose, a simple little >"Roll [ ] [ ]-sided dice" action that would appear in the Change Log >as:- > >12/01 14:13 - Kevan > Kevan rolls 1 5-sided dice. > Result: 3 >{ Electroshock treatment. } I think having a random dice roll in the PDP would be great. You already have the code for it. Then it would be logged. Good idea! From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:19:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:19:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 58972 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:14:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:14:49 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0089432D@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:14:49 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA04163; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:14:48 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proclamation: Perks Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:14:47 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu To Rule 12 append the following: Perks may be augmented or reduced if Doc finds sufficient reason to do so. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 12 08:20:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:20:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 84072 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:14:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0CG3sn21237 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:04:06 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:03:54 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] proposal: amendment to rule 23 In-Reply-To: <93mipp+mll1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 m.couchman@bigwig.net wrote: > The word "disease" shall be added to the end of the third sentence of > rule 23, which currently reads: > > "The blood test shall check for any communicable." > > which in fact isn't quite a sentence at all. I beleive someone already made a proposal that covers this... From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:22:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:22:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 61575 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:15:40 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0089433A@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:15:40 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA04248; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:15:39 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal : Amendment to Diseases (Sore Throat) References: <93k1h7+28pb@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:15:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:22:31 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - Sore Throat > > { Reproposal with a less baffling subject line. } > > Create a new Disease in Rule 10:- > > Sore Throat (Airborne) > If a Player has a Sore Throat, they may only take Blue Pills > (known for their anaesthetic qualities), unless they have taken > a Blue Pill during the past hour, in which case they may take > any Pills. > Every Red Pill a Player takes has a 50% chance of curing them > of Sore Throat. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- It's not Rule 10 any more, but ACCEPTED. 1 red. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:23:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:23:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 30062 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:17:26 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0089435A@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:17:26 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA04398; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:17:24 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal : Amendment to Proposals (!) References: <93k6ol+sf89@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:17:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:51:49 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - Re-relaxed Proposals > > Repeal Rule 21 ("Proposal Framework"). > > Replace the first sentence of Rule 3 ("Proposals") with "Players may > submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List (one > Proposal per message; more than one separate Proposal in a single > email will result in all of those Proposals being ignored)." > > To the second paragraph of Rule 3, add the sentence "This label > should reflect the intentions of the Proposal." ACCEPTED. 1 green. > (Is "amend" counted as "minor spelling variation" of > "amendment to", by the way?) } Yep. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:33:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:33:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 15259 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:29:19 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00894446@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:29:19 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA05848; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:29:18 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal : Amendment to Diseases (Finite Agoraphobia) References: <93ko9h+iuo8@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:29:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:50:57 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - Finite Agoraphobia > > In the Rule "Diseases", in the definition of Agoraphobia, replace > "where 'x' is the highest Rule number in the Ruleset" with "where 'x' > is the number of Rules in the Ruleset". > > { To avoid any dangerous infinity-percentage sums during the next > Office Hours. } > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ACCEPTED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:34:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:34:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 27279 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:28:19 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00894439@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:28:19 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA05669; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:28:17 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: vaccination References: <93kdsc+p922@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:28:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:53:16 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > {This is my first proposal in my first game, which I make with some > trepidation. Hello everybody!} Welcome! > -------------------------------- > > Proposal for a new rule, "vaccination" > > a) A player may buy a vaccination at a cost of 100 cash points. When > a player has been vaccinated, their chance of contracting a > communicable disease by any means is reduced by 40% while the vaccine > is in effect. The effects commence immediately the vaccine has been > given, and end at the start of the second Office Hours after the > vaccination is received. > > b) On each occasion that a vaccine is taken, there is a 10% chance of > an adverse reaction, which manifests itself as a Horrid Rash. > > ------------------------------ ACCEPTED. 1 green, 1 red. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:35:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:35:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 35035 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:28:51 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0089443F@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:28:51 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA05803; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:28:50 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to diseases (Horrid Rash) References: <93kdt7+94ju@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:28:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:53:43 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > Horrid Rash > > A possible side effect of vaccination. A Horrid Rash eliminates all > benefits of a player's current vaccination, and instead increases a > player's chance of contracting any communicable disease by 20%. > A Horrid Rash may be cured by taking one green pill, or it will cure > itself when the effects of the vaccine wear off. ACCEPTED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:38:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:38:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 51552 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:33:13 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00894497@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:33:13 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA06373; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:33:12 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Office Hours References: <4.1.20010111144747.030d8e40@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:33:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:59:50 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Replace the third sentence in Rule 13 to state: > > Each office holder may by announcement to the mailing list, delay their > Office Hours up to six days, temporarily defer their Office Hours to > another officer, or cancel them completely if they find themselves too busy. REJECTED. I like the specification of "by announcement to the mailing list", but I don't like "temporarily defer their Office Hours to another officer" -- not without something to guarantee that other officer is willing and able to take on the job. Ottis has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:41:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:41:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 54070 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 17:37:17 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008944C1@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:36:11 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA06668; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:36:11 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Diseases References: <4.1.20010111150411.03214c68@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:36:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:08:52 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > To further aid the Doc's required tasks during Office Hours, amend the > first sentence under the Addiction disease to state: > > The Nurse, during Office Hours, shall choose the player with the most pills > (regardless of color) to be the "Addict" until the next Office Hours. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com ACCEPTED. 1 green pill. -5 soul points, but FoR is cured. However, several subsequent proposals really should have been combined with this into a single, coherent "Office Hours fixup" proposal. I will, as the newly amended Perks rule allows, reduce the perks for such proposals to zero. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:42:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:42:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 2053 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 17:38:01 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008944D1@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:36:55 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA06748; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:36:55 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Blood Bank References: <4.1.20010111150854.012d8e80@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:36:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:16:55 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Change the first paragraph to: > > The Blood Bank stores blood collected from the players to be used for > medical procedures (surgeries, etc) and to increase one's health. The Blood > Bank is part of the gamestate and shall have its status stored in an > egroups database at . The Blood > Bank is maintained by the Nurse and is open for donations or purchases > during the Nurse's Office Hours. ACCEPTED. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:43:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:43:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 66382 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:37:20 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008944D6@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:37:19 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA06767; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:37:19 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Blood Test References: <4.1.20010111151755.03233a60@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:37:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:20:44 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Add the word "diseases" to the end of the third sentence. > > And change the last two sentences to the following: > > There must be one Nurse's Office Hours between each blood test for a > particular player. The Nurse performs all blood tests during the Nurse's > Office Hours by request in an email sent to the mailing list with a > subject: "Blood Test:" followed by the player's name. ACCEPTED. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 12 08:43:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:43:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 59355 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:37:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.47) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 17:38:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.4.67] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2001 16:37:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:37:35 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Since Doc hasn't yet considered my proposals, I take 2 red pills to cover them! Message-ID: <93nbsf+5qlk@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 67 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com does anyone want to give me a pill to cover expenses? please? Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:45:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:45:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 57702 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:40:26 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0089450F@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:40:25 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07144; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:40:25 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: The surgeon References: <93la1t+asbs@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:40:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:54:05 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 50 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > Create a new rule as follows: > > Surgeon > The surgeon is in charge of operations and physical wounds. > > The name of the player who holds the office of Surgeon is part of the > gamestate. The Surgeon is responsible for hosting a database at > http://www.egroups.com/database/DocNomic to hold all diseases of > type "Injury" and "Physical" [[to be definied in next proposal]]and > eir cure(s). > > The Surgeon is bound by the rules of Office Hours as stated in Rule > 13. During eir Office Hours the Surgeon performs the following > actions: > a. Perform all cures for Injuries requested by players. The > surgeon is responsible for updating the PDP for all cures e performs. > b. Pay eirself wages of 1 Red pill, 2 purple pills, and 50 Cash. > > At any time between eir Office the Surgeon may perform "Regular > Surgery" on any player any number of times. It costs the Surgeon 50 > cash and 1 green pill to perform the surgury (in addition to the > costs described by the "Injury" or "Physical", and any charges of the > Surgeon to the player), paid to the bank. There is a 75% chance that > any given "Regular Surgery" will succeed, unless specified > differently in the definition of the "Injury" or "Physical". The > Surgeon gains 4 Soul for each sucessful "Regular Surgery" performed. > The surgeon may not perform surgery on eirself. > > Because of their knowlege of the physical body they can trade 2 soul > for 1 body at any time. > > =================END OF PROPOSAL===================================== > There is no unusual chance of failure during office hours, so players > may want to wait. However, there is a minimun fee for operations > during game, and the soul bonus may be enough to encourage the > Surgeon to help others. > > The surgeon is appointed by the Doc, and can be replaced by the Doc > at any time. REJECTED. Some good ideas here but some I don't understand. Like, why does the surgeon have to pay 50 cash to do surgery during the week? Feyd has FoR. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Jan 12 08:46:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:46:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 11246 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:39:19 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010112164233.XTMV382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:42:33 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010112104122.032fa6b8@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:42:09 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: vaccination In-Reply-To: References: <93kdsc+p922@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Who administers the vaccination? and who's office hours? couchman, I'll let you make the amendments. At 11:28 AM 1/12/2001 -0500, you wrote: >m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > >> {This is my first proposal in my first game, which I make with some >> trepidation. Hello everybody!} > >Welcome! > >> -------------------------------- >> >> Proposal for a new rule, "vaccination" >> >> a) A player may buy a vaccination at a cost of 100 cash points. When >> a player has been vaccinated, their chance of contracting a >> communicable disease by any means is reduced by 40% while the vaccine >> is in effect. The effects commence immediately the vaccine has been >> given, and end at the start of the second Office Hours after the >> vaccination is received. >> >> b) On each occasion that a vaccine is taken, there is a 10% chance of >> an adverse reaction, which manifests itself as a Horrid Rash. >> >> ------------------------------ > >ACCEPTED. 1 green, 1 red. > >-- >- Doc > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:48:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:48:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 83407 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:41:58 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00894530@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:41:58 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07311; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:41:58 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to rule infinity+: more diseases References: <93lan4+3pav@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:41:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:05:24 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > Amend rule infinity+ as follows > > Add the statements to the top of the rule: > > The Epidemiologist cannot cure diseases of type "Injury". > > Change the type of disease "Glam Rock Shoulder" from "Physical" > to "Injury" > > > Add the following diseases: > Broken Nose ("Injury"). A player with a broken nose loses 5 body > when this disease is contracted and 5 Body per office hours until it > is cured. A Broken Nose takes 1 pint of blood, 1 green pill, and 50 > cash to heal. If attempted as "Regular Surgery" there is a 100% > chance of success. A contracts "Broken Nose" when another > states: "I give a broken nose!". This > costs the 5 soul (this is a mean thing to do) and > 25 cash (lawsuit protection). If the alreay has a > broken nose it only costs em 3 soul and 25 cash to give another > player a broken nose. -5 SPs. REJECTED because of its dependence on a prior rejected proposal. Lawsuit protection? We're getting lawyers now? Hmm.... -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:48:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:48:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 71523 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:44:06 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00894567@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:44:05 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07572; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:44:05 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Diseases References: <4.1.20010111171913.03230d48@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:44:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:20:44 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Make the following changes to the Glam Rock Shoulder disease from: > > This Disease causes its sufferer to lose 4 Body Points during every > subsequent Office Hours, and can be operated on by Doc or the Nurse > for 350 Cash. > > to: > > This Disease causes its sufferer to lose 4 Body Points during every > subsequent Office Hours held by Doc, and can be operated on by Doc or the > Nurse > for 350 Cash. ACCEPTED. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:49:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:49:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 92340 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:43:22 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00894548@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:43:21 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07440; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:43:21 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Diseases References: <4.1.20010111171007.0331d4a8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:43:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:14:13 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Change the following line contained within the Addiction disease from: > > Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to > do so may > be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will > be queued as an action for the next Office Hours. > > to: > > Failure to do so will cause the addict to lose 1 soul point; this failure > to do so may > be pointed out by any Player or Doc, who shall make the appropriate changes > using the Players Details Page. ACCEPTED. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:49:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:49:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 72412 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:44:21 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00894570@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:44:20 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07644; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:44:20 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Diseases References: <4.1.20010111171732.032330a8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:44:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:18:30 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Change the text found in the Nasty Cough disease from: > > During Office Hours, > > to > > During the Doc's Office Hours, ACCEPTED. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:49:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:49:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 76788 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:42:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 17:43:51 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00894537@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:42:45 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07347; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:42:44 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Rule 11 References: <4.1.20010111170620.01359d10@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:42:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:08:08 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Change the following line from: > > Any Player may collect their Wages if they have not > already done so since the most recent Office Hours. > > to: > > Any Player may collect their Wages if they have not > already done so since Doc's most recent Office Hours. ACCEPTED. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:49:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:49:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 77537 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:42:58 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00894538@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:42:58 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07387; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:42:57 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Diseases References: <4.1.20010111170833.032e3598@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:42:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:09:59 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Change the line contained within the Bit of a Cough disease from: > > If a Player takes a Green Pill, and also took a Green Pill between the > previous two Office Hours, that Player is cured of this Disease. > > to: > > If a Player takes a Green Pill, and also took a Green Pill between the > previous two Office Hours held by Doc, that Player is cured of this Disease. ACCEPTED. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:50:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:50:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 93509 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:43:43 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00894553@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:43:43 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07535; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:43:42 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Diseases References: <4.1.20010111171448.032872b8@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:43:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:16:54 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Make the following changes to the Migrane disease from: > > During Office Hours:- > - All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and x/10 Soul Points. > - All other Players each have an 'x/10' per cent chance of contracting > a Migraine. > ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since > the end of the previous Office Hours. > > to: > > During the Nurse's Office Hours:- > - All Migraine sufferers lose 5 Body Points and x/10 Soul Points. > - All other Players each have an 'x/10' per cent chance of contracting > a Migraine. > ...where 'x' is the number of mailing list messages made since > the end of the previous Nurse's Office Hours. ACCEPTED. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:51:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 6467 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 17:48:01 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008945A9@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:46:56 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07840; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:46:55 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order: The Addict References: <4.1.20010111172159.0307e478@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:46:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:28:35 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 61 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Doc, > > In your Office Hours email you stated the following: > > First: > > >ADDICT: > > > >Since last Office Hours (message #451) until now Kevan has posted 2 "Kevan" should have been "Feyd" in that line, of course. > >non-proposal messages that do not ask for pills (#482, 483). However, > >none of these were pointed out. By my reading of the rules, that > >means Feyd loses no soul points. > > If you so chose to point them out (which you did) you may deduct the soul > points. The rule states: > > "Failure to do so will cause the addict lose 1 soul point; this failure to > do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction > will be queued as an action for the next Office Hours." > > You can claim the 2 soul points as having been pointed out by yourself. I choose to interpret the rule as requiring the failure to be pointed out soon after the relevant messages are posted. There is no such time limit in the rule, of course, but I believe that was the intent. > Secondly, you also then went on to state: > > >Feyd still has the most pills. Now here's a conundrum: Does he get > >cured of addition and re-contract it, or does he just continue to have > >it? It's not clear in the rules. I'll assume the latter, so (1) he > >doesn't get a 25% chance to avoid addiction but (2) he also doesn't > >lose 3 BP / 5 SP. > > Let me again refer to the rules: > > "Once a week, during Office Hours, the player with the most pills > (regardless of color) is designated the "Addict" for the upcoming week." > > So, at this point, Feyd has been designated the "Addict" for the upcoming > week because this week, during Office Hours, he was the player with the > most pills. > > Let me go on with the rule: > > "Addicts are fragile things, and therefore lose 3 body and 5 soul points at > the beginning of the week they are designated the Addict." > > Since he was just designated the "Addict" for the upcoming week, regardless > of last week, he shall lose 3 body and 5 soul points. Each week a player is > designation the Addict. It is irregardless of last weeks designation. Any comments from other players before I rule on this? -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 08:52:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:52:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 3177 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:47:21 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008945B3@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:47:21 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07920; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:47:19 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Diseases References: <4.1.20010111173015.03210ba0@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:47:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:36:24 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Add the following disease to the list: > > The Sniffles (Airborne) > The Sniffles is an annoying little disease that is highly contagious. A > player with this disease has a nagging nasal drip. When contracted the > player is given the pamphlet "101 > Ways To Avoid Infection" (which can serve double duty as a tissue in an > emergency). > > The next player to send a message to the mailing list after a message from > a player with The Sniffles has a 37% chance of contracting The Sniffles > during the next Nurse's Office Hours. > > There is no cure for The Sniffles, but it will dry up and go away during > the Nurse's Office Hours if the infected player requests treatment. ACCEPTED. 1 green. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Jan 12 08:57:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 16:57:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 54778 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 17:52:30 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010112165439.XVKF382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:54:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010112105342.03303fd0@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:54:15 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Since Doc hasn't yet considered my proposals, I take 2 red pills to cover them! In-Reply-To: <93nbsf+5qlk@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart At 04:37 PM 1/12/2001 +0000, Feyd wrote: >does anyone... I gave you 3... how many more do you want? Ottis From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 09:01:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:01:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 40526 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:55:37 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0089468A@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:55:35 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA08775; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:55:35 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: vaccination References: <93kdsc+p922@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:55:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:53:16 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Rule 29 enacted. Phobia check: Britta, Jeff lose 5 SPs. Mark gains 5 SPs. Kevan, Ottis, Mark, and Feyd have an infinite chance of getting Agoraphobia (sorry, but I'm required to process these proposals in order!). I take that to mean they all get it. That cures Mark's C-phobia. (Mark is shown as having both A-phobia and C-phobia; the former should have been cured when he got the latter. Is Mark actually playing, by the way?) -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 09:02:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:02:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 73345 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 16:56:38 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008946A1@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:56:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA08854; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:56:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to diseases (Horrid Rash) References: <93kdt7+94ju@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 11:56:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:53:43 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > Horrid Rash > > A possible side effect of vaccination. A Horrid Rash eliminates all > benefits of a player's current vaccination, and instead increases a > player's chance of contracting any communicable disease by 20%. > A Horrid Rash may be cured by taking one green pill, or it will cure > itself when the effects of the vaccine wear off. Just noticed this disease has no Type. I'll just make it Non-communicable. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Jan 12 09:03:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:03:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 23363 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 16:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 16:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 17:59:21 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010112170129.XWRQ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:01:29 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010112105758.032f7780@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:01:06 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Diseases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I have a foolproof way to fix the Addict disease... In real life, Addiction is a very serious and long term ailment, so, despite of its inherantness to instantly be rejected, I though it would be worth the thrill of it: Change the Addiction disease to the following: Once a week, during Office Hours, the player known as Feyd is designated the "Addict" for the upcoming week. Feyd may not take any action that reduces the number of pills in eir possession except to take a pill. Feyd is fragile, and therefore lose 3 body and 5 soul points at the beginning of every week. In addition, the Feyd must take 1 red pill in order to make a Proposal. In any non-proposal message they send to the public newsgroup Feyd must in some way ask for a pill. Failure to do so will cause em to lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued as an action for the next Office Hours. The first player per message thus helping Feyd fight his addiction is doing a good deed, and thus gains a soul point. Subsequent players are just nagging and get nothing. From jjweston@pop.net Fri Jan 12 09:06:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:06:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 92686 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 17:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 17:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 18:02:52 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id KAA41668; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:01:46 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:01:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200101121701.KAA41668@www.irony.com> To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Epidemiologist Office Hours: Select two people (1-7) for Airborne Test/ 1 for catch disease. X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Epidemiologist Office Hours: Select two people (1-7) for Airborne Test/ 1 for catch disease. DocNomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of 3 7-sided dice be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 7, 4, 5 = 16. Mail was sent to you at DocNomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOl84dryfeleUG9SNAQHMnwH+NqLIubj1oFih9fI+eNMmMMcN754+joF8 acbDBw5LgaRFvATg/sKvrzOIbQsuaUF6oRrwvM6LnuHPLIrmUcgcTg== =aChU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jjweston@pop.net Fri Jan 12 09:11:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:11:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 82573 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 17:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 17:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 18:07:26 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id KAA42213; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:06:21 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:06:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200101121706.KAA42213@www.irony.com> To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Jeff will catch 1 disease of 9.. X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jeff will catch 1 disease of 9.. DocNomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of a 9-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 4. Mail was sent to you at DocNomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOl85ibyfeleUG9SNAQFxiQIAnf3eWnE6yF9JL771VSxSHxY6HsfP9229 ORT+YP0bPNmwtg4DwcF2IdjM4AanfYSBkyR9G5H1j+35K809S0QJmQ== =sVob -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jjweston@pop.net Fri Jan 12 09:12:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:12:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 53042 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 17:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 17:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 18:06:33 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id KAA42091; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:05:28 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:05:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200101121705.KAA42091@www.irony.com> To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Mark and Martin have a 25% chance of catching "Bit of Cough" X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mark and Martin have a 25% chance of catching "Bit of Cough" DocNomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of 2 4-sided dice be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 2, 2 = 4. Mail was sent to you at DocNomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOl85U7yfeleUG9SNAQHhvwIAraUG9V2oOoSDlgdXPx70ezgMDgvvff5A Z3Jkrx6YZ/oy0pnl8sMUQ9bDaATzYe9txF1wFcE6K3wjdFnd7jJOoA== =AoMc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 09:14:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:14:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 16584 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 17:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 17:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 18:09:21 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00894868@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:08:16 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA12196; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:08:15 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order : Addiction References: <93mvft+fsav@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 12:08:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:06:05 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > Addict Feyd has made two Proposals recently, with no apparent nod to > the fact that "the Addict must take 1 red pill in order to make a > Proposal". Arguably the following Log entry lets him make one of > those Proposals, but I suspect the second should be - in the absence > of technology to undo previous events - ignored. > > 09/01 17:16 - Feyd > Feyd takes 1 Red Pill. (+2B/+1S) > Rating: 80% > (For FoR + Agora) > > I think the Addict Rule could use some rewording, either way. Hm. I rule that the first red pill took care of the first proposal (which was rejected, giving him FoR). The second should have been ignored, so he does not lose the 5 soul points he was charged. Thanks for pointing this out. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 12 09:16:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:16:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 24467 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 17:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 17:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ck.egroups.com) (10.1.2.83) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 18:11:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.133] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2001 17:10:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:10:20 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Epidemiologist Office Hours: RESULTS Message-ID: <93ndps+u5l8@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <200101121701.KAA41668@www.irony.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 359 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com I published die rolls to the list, you can verify them. BEGIN OFFICE HOURS AIRBORNE DISEASE: Selected Mark/Martin 25% chance of catching "Bit of a Cough" Neither catches 'Bit of a Cough" NON-AIRBORNE: Selected Jeff Jeff Catches Claustrophobia Epidemiologist CURE: I cure Mark of Claustrophobia. (gaining 1 soul point in the process). END OFFICE HOURS From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 09:17:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:17:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 5712 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 17:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 17:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 17:12:30 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008948AB@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:12:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA12894; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:12:29 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: infinity Date: 12 Jan 2001 12:12:29 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Actually I'm going to call a point of order on myself -- not that I'm permitted to do that, but I *am* permitted to remedy my own mistakes. The rules clearly don't permit the Diseases rule to have an infinite rule number. I therefore hereby set the Diseases rule number to 1000. So that +infinity chance of Agoraphobia gets reduced to 1000.0%. Big deal... -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 09:24:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:24:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 260 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 17:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 17:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 17:18:42 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0089492A@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:18:41 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA13608; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:18:40 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd Date: 12 Jan 2001 12:18:39 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Oops, Feyd has 25% chance of evading diseases -- FoR and A-Phobia: 2 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.093475341796875 0.5733642578125 He does NOT get FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 09:29:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:29:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 40282 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 17:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 17:21:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 18:22:56 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00894962@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:21:50 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA14017; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:21:49 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Since Doc hasn't yet considered my proposals, I take 2 red pills to cover them! References: <93nbsf+5qlk@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 12:21:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:37:35 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu OK, so you *do* lose the 5 SPs! -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 09:32:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:32:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 60648 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 17:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 17:27:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 17:27:12 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008949D7@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:27:12 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA14663; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:27:12 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order : Addiction References: <93mvft+fsav@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 12:27:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu's message of "12 Jan 2001 12:08:15 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu writes: > I rule that the first red pill took care of the first proposal (which > was rejected, giving him FoR). The second should have been ignored, > so he does not lose the 5 soul points he was charged. Thanks for > pointing this out. Wait, did I get that right? No no no no no... Never mind the old red pill; he took two new ones. So both proposals were considered. First one was rejected, but by the dice roll he avoided FoR. Second one was rejected. He should *not* have been charged 5 SPs, since he didn't have FoR; but he should have gotten FoR, unless he rolled less than 25%: 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.384918212890625 which he didn't. So no SPs lost, but Feyd gets FoR here. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 12 09:33:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:33:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 49579 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 17:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 17:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 18:29:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.121] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2001 17:27:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:27:55 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Question: How are we updating the PDP now? Message-ID: <93neqr+2548@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 750 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com I have run my office hours and updated the PDP accordingly for all actions that the Epidemiologist took. Doc is handing out FoR demerits right and left (sigh :-) for failed proposals, is the player responsible for that, or is Doc to update the PDP? On random dice rolls, do we want the roll to be mailed directly here, or saved and copied to the office hours file? If I just email it to myself then obviously I can reroll until I get what I want, the PGP protection doesn't provide any security. kevan, are you going to update the PDP so that we don't ahve to worry about it anyway? Feyd wow, this thing has gotten rather large rather quickly. cool anyone got any pills (ottis, thanks for the 3, but surely you can spare one more?) From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 12 09:34:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:34:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 65983 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 17:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 17:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 18:30:00 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008949FE@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:28:55 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA14809; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:28:54 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Epidemiologist Office Hours: RESULTS References: <93ndps+u5l8@eGroups.com> Date: 12 Jan 2001 12:28:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:10:20 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > NON-AIRBORNE: Selected Jeff > Jeff Catches Claustrophobia Note that Jeff had Agoraphobia, which you should cure. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 12 09:41:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 17:41:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 53836 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 17:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 17:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 17:35:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0CIOfW21469 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:25:03 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:24:41 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Epidemiologist Office Hours: RESULTS In-Reply-To: <93ndps+u5l8@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > NON-AIRBORNE: Selected Jeff > Jeff Catches Claustrophobia Jeff is also cured of Agoraphobia. I updated the PDP to reflect this. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 12 10:37:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 18:37:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 47868 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 18:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 18:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 18:34:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0CJNPb21497 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:24:13 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:23:25 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Blood Test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Amend "Blood Test" by appending the following paragraph: After the discovery of an infection, the player has 24 hours to receive a vaccine against the infection. If they receive the vaccination, they are immediately cured of the infection, as well as receiving whatever effects the vaccine gives them. From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 12 10:50:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 18:50:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 97170 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 18:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 18:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jan 2001 18:48:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.114] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2001 18:48:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:48:19 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse: Taking pills ...(this is worth looking at) Message-ID: <93njhj+edng@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 188 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com I take 1 purple and 1 red (updating PDP now): 1P + 1R cures Agrophobia. 1P cures FoR 1R allows 1 new Proposal to be Proposed by me. Feyd anyone want to give me a blue pill? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 12 15:26:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 12 Jan 2001 23:26:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 72726 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2001 23:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2001 23:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Jan 2001 00:27:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0D0FkY21660 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:15:52 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:15:46 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to The Epidemiologist Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Amend "The Epidemiologist" by striking from the third paragraph the phrase, "contract any disease" and replacing it with "contract any communicable disease". From Nomic1@aol.com Sun Jan 14 09:05:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Jan 2001 17:05:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 68498 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2001 17:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Jan 2001 17:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mw.egroups.com) (10.1.2.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Jan 2001 17:05:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.94] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2001 17:05:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:05:02 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amendment to The Epidemiologist Message-ID: <93sm7u+lfnp@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 330 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: Nomic1@aol.com I disagree. the Epidemiologist studies all diesases, not just communicable ones. Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > Amend "The Epidemiologist" by striking from the third paragraph > the phrase, "contract any disease" and replacing it with "contract any > communicable disease". From kevan@somethingorother.com Sun Jan 14 12:47:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 14 Jan 2001 20:47:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 59574 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2001 20:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2001 20:47:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Jan 2001 20:47:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.99] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2001 20:47:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:47:23 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amendment to The Epidemiologist Message-ID: <93t38r+50n4@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <93sm7u+lfnp@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 623 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.64.154.168 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > Amend "The Epidemiologist" by striking from the third > paragraph > > the phrase, "contract any disease" and replacing it with "contract > any > > communicable disease". > > I disagree. the Epidemiologist studies all diesases, not just > communicable ones. And I disagree with that, because this amendment isn't about studying. The bit about not contracting diseases is preceded, in the rule, by the explanation "Because of their good health...". I've known some very healthy Agoraphobics. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Five years ago I was a four-stone apology. Today I am two separate gorillas." From m.couchman@bigwig.net Mon Jan 15 05:12:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 13:12:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 73735 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 13:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 13:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.91) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 13:12:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.95] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2001 13:12:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:12:14 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: proposal: amendment to Vaccination Message-ID: <93usve+u2lp@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 409 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net Amend the first sentence to read: A player may buy a vaccination from the Nurse at a cost of 100 cash points. In the third sentence, change "Office Hours" to "Nurse's Office Hours" {Would it make sense for it to be administered via the Player Details Page? Also, I wonder if 100 cash might be too expensive for the vaccine, but it seemed a good round figure that could be adjusted at a later date} From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 15 07:08:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 15:08:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 35866 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 15:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 15:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 15:08:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0FFv8f26961 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:57:25 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:57:08 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Amendment to The Epidemiologist In-Reply-To: <93sm7u+lfnp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > I disagree. the Epidemiologist studies all diesases, not just > communicable ones. > Feyd I don't think the Epidemiologist should be given bonuses against diseases like FoR, Cluastrophobia, Agoraphobia, Addiction, and physical injuries. I'll grant that you can probably avoid communicable diseases due to your good health, but I feel that granting you everything else is a mistake. From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 15 07:20:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 15:20:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 78652 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 15:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 15:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mu.egroups.com) (10.1.1.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 15:20:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.134] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2001 15:19:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:19:22 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Compromise? Re: Proposal: Amendment to The Epidemiologist Message-ID: <93v4dq+uecp@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1044 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com I agree about Psychosis and Injury, but disagree that it should be limited to only communicable diseases. The Epidemiologist would know that ticks cause Lyme disease, and would avoid them, or the woods, or such, while silly nurses whould plod on through the brush without thought. Perhaps: "The Epidemiologist does not get 25% resistance to diseases of type 'Psychosis' or 'Injury'". In other news, I'm going to take a stab at rewriting the surgeon (pun intended). Anyone have thoughts about that? Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 Nomic1@a... wrote: > > > I disagree. the Epidemiologist studies all diesases, not just > > communicable ones. > > Feyd > > I don't think the Epidemiologist should be given bonuses against > diseases like FoR, Cluastrophobia, Agoraphobia, Addiction, and physical > injuries. I'll grant that you can probably avoid communicable diseases due > to your good health, but I feel that granting you everything else is a > mistake. From m.couchman@bigwig.net Mon Jan 15 07:49:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 15:49:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 52964 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 15:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 15:46:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 15:46:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.10.102] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2001 15:46:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:46:23 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amendment to Blood Test Message-ID: <93v60f+4q08@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 894 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 155.198.17.121 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > Amend "Blood Test" by appending the following paragraph: > > After the discovery of an infection, the player has 24 hours to receive a > vaccine against the infection. If they receive the vaccination, they are > immediately cured of the infection, as well as receiving whatever effects > the vaccine gives them. I think the 24 hour rule is a bit harsh, as it penalises players who are even slightly busy with real life, or who don't look at the game over the weekend. Maybe this is the intention, just to provide some fun. I think this rule would also reduce the element of strategy; might it be better to make vaccines potentially effective against a disease detected by a blood test, if taken within 24 hours of the test results, but leave it to a player to choose whether to take the vaccine or not. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 15 08:37:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 16:37:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 8220 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 16:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 16:31:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 17:32:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0FHJw627034 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:20:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:19:58 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Amendment to Blood Test In-Reply-To: <93v60f+4q08@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 m.couchman@bigwig.net wrote: > I think this rule would also reduce the element of strategy; might it > be better to make vaccines potentially effective against a disease > detected by a blood test, if taken within 24 hours of the test > results, but leave it to a player to choose whether to take the > vaccine or not. Umm... That was the exact intent of the proposal. The player can choose to get the vaccine or not. If they don't take the vaccine, this proposal does not impose any penalties. I'm trying to soften the rather harsh effects of the blood test, not make them worse. From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 15 08:41:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 16:41:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 42403 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 16:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 16:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mw.egroups.com) (10.1.2.2) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 16:36:02 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.99] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2001 16:36:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:35:56 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: The Surgeon Message-ID: <93v8tc+1e3a@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1991 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com [[ This propsal is a rewrite of the previous Surgeon rules. I have attempted to remove the confusing items, and add more office hours to- do work for the surgeon.]] ================= BEGIN NEW PROPOSAL ============================= Create a new rule as follows: The Surgeon The Surgeon is in charge of operations and physical wounds. His primary duty is to deal with all diseases of type "Injury" or "Physical". The name of the player who holds the Office of Surgeon is part of the gamestate. The Surgeon is responsible for hosting a database at http://www.egroups.com/database/DocNomic to hold all diseases of type "Injury" and "Physical" and eir cure(s) if any. The Surgeon is bound by the rules of Office Hours as stated in Rule 13. During eir Office Hours the Surgeon performs the following actions: a. Perform all cures for Injuries requested by players since the last Office Hours. The surgeon is responsible for updating the PDP for all cures e performs. b. Pay eirself wages of 1 Red pill, 1 Blue pill, and 100 Cash. c. Select one player at random, and one disease of type Physical or Injury at random. The selected player has a 20% chance of acquiring the Injury. The Surgeon may not perform surgury on emself. Because of their knowlege of the physical body they can trade 2 soul for 1 body at any time. The Surgeon position can be assigned or reassigned by Doc at any time. When this rule is accepted the Surgeon will be player Feyd. This paragraph will then self-delete. [[Doc can immediately set the surgeon to someone else if anyone would like to be surgeon.]] =================END OF PROPOSAL===================================== [[This is a bit more bare-bones than the last proposal, but I'm sure it will be modified to make it more interesting. If this passes I will immediately propose trimming the E. so the only way to get an injury is from the Doc OH. If someone else wants to be Surgeon please step up!]] Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 15 09:48:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 17:48:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 2972 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 17:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 17:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 17:39:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.30] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2001 17:39:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:39:25 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend Rule 19 - Winning Conditions Message-ID: <93vckd+398c@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 392 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com Add the following paragraphs to the end of Rule 19. If at any time 1 and only 1 player is not "Dead" (as defined in rule 11), that player will be declared the "Winner" of round 1. If at any time 1 and only 1 player has more that 199 pills, more than 100 health, more than 100 body, more than 10,000 cash, and has no diseases, that player shall be declared the "Winner" of round 1. Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 15 09:53:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 17:53:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 71531 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 17:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 17:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ef.egroups.com) (10.1.2.111) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 17:41:52 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.30] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2001 17:41:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:41:33 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Psychiatrist: I request 2 therapy sessions during your next office hours! Message-ID: <93vcod+t48v@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com Feyd From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 15 10:24:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 18:24:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 64889 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 18:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 18:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 19:10:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0FIwLZ27077 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:58:37 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:58:21 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Rule 19 - Winning Conditions In-Reply-To: <93vckd+398c@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > Add the following paragraphs to the end of Rule 19. > > If at any time 1 and only 1 player is not "Dead" (as defined in rule > 11), that player will be declared the "Winner" of round 1. Don't like a specific rule reference here. What if rule 11 is repealed and the definition of "Dead" is put in another rule? > If at any time 1 and only 1 player has more that 199 pills, more than > 100 health, more than 100 body, more than 10,000 cash, and has no > diseases, that player shall be declared the "Winner" of round 1. What is "health"? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 15 11:43:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 19:43:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 77551 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 19:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 19:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 19:26:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0FKG1d27107 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:16:02 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:16:01 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Compromise? Re: Proposal: Amendment to The Epidemiologist In-Reply-To: <93v4dq+uecp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > I agree about Psychosis and Injury, but disagree that it should be > limited to only communicable diseases. To help should some light on my understanding of epidemiology, here are some definitions I looked up: http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=Epidemiologist One definitions states: "A medical scientist who studies the transmission and control of epidemic diseases." Then I looked up epidemic: http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=epidemic One definition states: "An outbreak of a contagious disease that spreads rapidly and widely." > Perhaps: > "The Epidemiologist does not get 25% resistance to diseases of > type 'Psychosis' or 'Injury'". This would add resistance to two non-communicable / non-contagious diseases: Migraine and Horrid Rash. I'm not convinced those are valid to have a resistance to. Also, I don't like the "everything but..." phrasing. I much prefer limiting the resistance to limited categories of diseases. If new categories get created that the Epidemiologist shouldn't be immune to, I don't want to have to keep revisting this same rule over and over again... From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 15 11:52:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 19:52:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 8073 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 19:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 19:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 19:34:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.64] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2001 19:34:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:34:50 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amend Rule 19 - Winning Conditions Message-ID: <93vjcq+7vbd@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 783 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com HEY, I'm supposed to be the rules lawyer!!! --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > > Add the following paragraphs to the end of Rule 19. > > > > If at any time 1 and only 1 player is not "Dead" (as defined in rule > > 11), that player will be declared the "Winner" of round 1. > > Don't like a specific rule reference here. What if rule 11 is > repealed and the definition of "Dead" is put in another rule? That should have been [[11]], not (11) > > > If at any time 1 and only 1 player has more that 199 pills, more than > > 100 health, more than 100 body, more than 10,000 cash, and has no > > diseases, that player shall be declared the "Winner" of round 1. > > What is "health"? health is body sigh, Feyd anyone have a pill? From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 15 12:24:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 20:24:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 48677 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 20:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 20:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.46) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 21:07:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.161] by fj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2001 20:06:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:05:50 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Counter to Jeffrey's Link and Argument Message-ID: <93vl6u+uavs@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2987 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com Now you see why the Epidemiologist is always so grumpy!!!!!!!! .=20=20 The link you point to gives a different definition, to whit:=20 ep=B7i=B7de=B7mi=B7ol=B7o=B7gy (p-dm-l-j, -dm-)=20 "The branch of medicine that deals with the study of the causes,=20 distribution, and control of disease in populations." Communicable diseases are not mentioned specifically. Furthermore, the IEI (International Epidemiology Institute) has the=20 following information on http://www.ieiltd.com/ "More about IEI".=20=20 As can be seen, the scope of Epidemiology ranges from arsenic=20 posioning to Cellular Phone danger to Cancer to water pollution: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DBEGIN QUOTE =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Institute provides leading experts in epidemiology and=20 biostatistics to evaluate the health effects of:=20 Occupational and Environmental Exposures=20 arsenic, cadmium, chromate, lead, and other metals=20 asbestos, silica, and other fibers=20 benzene, tetrachloroethylene (TCE), perchloroethylene (PCE) and other=20 organic chemicals=20 air and water pollutants=20 Radiation=20 occupational and environmental exposures=20 indoor radon=20 EMF and microwave exposures, including cellular phone frequencies=20 diagnostic and therapeutic medical irradiation=20 Lifestyle Factors=20 tobacco=20 alcohol=20 diet and nutrition, including vitamins, minerals, and health food=20 supplements=20 Medical Exposures=20 pharmaceuticals, including chemotherapeutic agents=20 medical procedures and devices=20 implants=20 post-marketing surveillance=20 Host Factors=20 genetic susceptibility=20 exposure-genetic interactions=20 antecedent illnesses or medical conditions=20 reproductive risk factors=20 Other Factors=20 additional factors that influence the risk of cancer, cardiovascular,=20 adverse pregnancy outcomes, and other diseases. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DEND QUOTE =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" =20 wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 Nomic1@a... wrote: > To help should some light on my understanding of epidemiology, > here are some definitions I looked up: >=20 > http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=3DEpidemiologist >=20 > One definitions states: "A medical scientist who studies the > transmission and control of epidemic diseases." Then I looked up > epidemic: >=20 > http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=3Depidemic >=20 > One definition states: "An outbreak of a contagious disease=20 that > spreads rapidly and widely." >=20 > > Perhaps: > > "The Epidemiologist does not get 25% resistance to diseases of=20 > > type 'Psychosis' or 'Injury'". >=20 > This would add resistance to two non-communicable / non- contagious > diseases: Migraine and Horrid Rash. I'm not convinced those are=20 valid to > have a resistance to. I think this is reasonable. The Epidemiologist should know better=20 than others how to avoid migranes and Rashs (as opposed to cuts and=20 bruises). Feyd From m.couchman@bigwig.net Mon Jan 15 12:30:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 20:30:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 60005 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 20:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 20:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ef.egroups.com) (10.1.2.111) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 21:12:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.207] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2001 20:11:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:11:28 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amendment to Blood Test Message-ID: <93vlhg+piet@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 832 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.1.148.126 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 m.couchman@b... wrote: > > > I think this rule would also reduce the element of strategy; might it > > be better to make vaccines potentially effective against a disease > > detected by a blood test, if taken within 24 hours of the test > > results, but leave it to a player to choose whether to take the > > vaccine or not. > > Umm... That was the exact intent of the proposal. The player can > choose to get the vaccine or not. If they don't take the vaccine, this > proposal does not impose any penalties. I'm trying to soften the rather > harsh effects of the blood test, not make them worse. In that case I'm in complete agreement with you, but mis-interpreted the words "..has 24 hours.." to mean compulsion.. sorry! From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 15 12:49:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 20:49:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 51058 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 20:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 20:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 21:30:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0FLIb327142 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:18:55 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:18:37 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Amend Rule 19 - Winning Conditions In-Reply-To: <93vjcq+7vbd@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > HEY, I'm supposed to be the rules lawyer!!! Just introducing some friendly competition... ;-> > > > If at any time 1 and only 1 player has more that 199 pills, more > than > > > 100 health, more than 100 body, more than 10,000 cash, and has no > > > diseases, that player shall be declared the "Winner" of round 1. > > > > What is "health"? > health is body If health is body, what is body? Body was already listed, otherwise I would have already made that assumption... :) From m.couchman@bigwig.net Mon Jan 15 12:51:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 20:51:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 18156 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 20:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 20:33:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 20:33:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.91] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2001 20:33:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:33:48 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse! Blood test please Message-ID: <93vmrc+vspg@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 71 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.1.148.126 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net Can I have a blood test please? ooh... ouch! Careful with that needle! From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 15 12:58:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 20:58:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 54677 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 20:39:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 20:39:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 20:39:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0FLSj127160 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:28:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:28:45 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Amendment to Blood Test In-Reply-To: <93vlhg+piet@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 m.couchman@bigwig.net wrote: > In that case I'm in complete agreement with you, but mis-interpreted > the words "..has 24 hours.." to mean compulsion.. sorry! Perhaps I could have used a better wording... I meant to provide a 24 hour window of opportunity to avoid getting infected at all by receiving a vaccine. If Doc doesn't like the wording, I'll give it a second try. From m.couchman@bigwig.net Mon Jan 15 13:34:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 21:34:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 4986 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 21:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 21:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 21:13:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.10.112] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2001 21:13:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:13:41 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: proposal: amendment to rule 1 (Office holders) Message-ID: <93vp65+p06e@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 632 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.1.135.210 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net This provides a bare skeleton for an unfortunate eventuality, for which no pill could prepare us. It's far from perfect, but better than nothing: Add the following to the end of rule 1: In the event that Doc is absent from the game for a period of more than three weeks without making arrangements for his return, the players may choose a new Doc. They register their preference by election, each player having one vote each. The Nurse oversees the process, and appoints as the new Doc the player receiving the most votes. In the event of a tie, the Nurse may appoint one of those receiving the highest number of votes. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 15 13:55:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 21:55:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 72125 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 21:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 21:33:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 21:33:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0FMM1S27219 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:22:18 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:22:01 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Counter to Jeffrey's Link and Argument In-Reply-To: <93vl6u+uavs@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" You did not ask for pills I believe... From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 15 13:55:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 21:55:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 74085 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 21:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 21:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 21:33:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0FMMhB27223 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:22:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:22:43 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Psychiatrist: I request 2 therapy sessions during your next office hours! In-Reply-To: <93vcod+t48v@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Did not ask for a pill... From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 15 13:56:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 21:56:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 39896 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 21:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 21:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 21:35:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0FMOXV27233 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:24:54 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:24:33 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Amendment to The Epidemiologist In-Reply-To: <93sm7u+lfnp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Did not ask for a pill... On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > I disagree. the Epidemiologist studies all diesases, not just > communicable ones. > Feyd > > --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" > wrote: > > Amend "The Epidemiologist" by striking from the third > paragraph > > the phrase, "contract any disease" and replacing it with "contract > any > > communicable disease". > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 15 13:57:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 21:57:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 43802 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 21:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 21:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 21:35:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0FMNgj27227 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:24:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:23:42 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Compromise? Re: Proposal: Amendment to The Epidemiologist In-Reply-To: <93v4dq+uecp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Did not ask for a pill... From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 15 14:11:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 22:11:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 86725 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 21:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 21:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ef.egroups.com) (10.1.2.111) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 22:50:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.4] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2001 21:49:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:48:45 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amend Rule 19 - Winning Conditions Message-ID: <93vr7t+k38d@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 716 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > > HEY, I'm supposed to be the rules lawyer!!! > Just introducing some friendly competition... ;-> Hmph. and they wonder why I'm grumpy? > > > > If at any time 1 and only 1 player has more that 199 pills, > > > > 100 health, more than 100 body, more than 10,000 cash, and > > > What is "health"? > > health is body > If health is body, what is body? Body was already listed, > otherwise I would have already made that assumption... :) Um. Erp. hmmm. health is soul. I would give you a purple pill in an effort to make you leave off, but I'm an addict and can't . speaking of which, can I have a purple pill? Feyd From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 15 14:42:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 22:42:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 96360 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 22:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 22:20:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 22:20:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0FN9gb27274 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:09:44 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:09:42 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Forgeting to ask for pills... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I saw four messages where the addict did not ask for pills... I will remove four soul points from the addict and give four soul points to myself via the PDP. From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 15 15:15:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 15 Jan 2001 23:15:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 85946 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 22:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 22:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 22:47:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.163] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2001 22:47:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:47:50 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: And take two red pills for Proposals (addict) Message-ID: <93vumm+103jq@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 57 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com anyone have a red pill for me? I seem to be low... Feyd From jjweston@pop.net Mon Jan 15 16:11:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 00:11:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 71954 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 23:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 23:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 23:52:42 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id QAA32518; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:52:37 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:52:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200101152352.QAA32518@www.irony.com> To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Martin's Blood test, disease choice & percentage X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Martin's Blood test, disease choice & percentage docnomic@egroups.com requested that 2 rolls of a 100-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 6. Roll 2: 27. Mail was sent to you at docnomic@egroups.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOmONQbyfeleUG9SNAQHuxgIArTM/47T++j9J+3pAyKpo6f+BRc6q5FPh oyzEr6HZlX06c92E7wHOh19u/PBLm/Zr6/P0aZyuq7J6cmiTZfOwQg== =mDPT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oairhart@ispchannel.com Mon Jan 15 16:16:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 00:16:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 46123 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2001 23:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2001 23:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jan 2001 23:56:45 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010115235959.UDPT382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:59:59 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010115175203.012ce628@pop3.ispchannel.com> X-Sender: oairhart@pop3.ispchannel.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:00:27 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Nurse! Blood test please In-Reply-To: <93vmrc+vspg@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart At 08:33 PM 1/15/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Can I have a blood test please? ooh... ouch! Careful with that needle! > The roll was a 6 and 27. The 6 is less than 25, so you might have A Bit of a Cough. The chance was 27 which is less than 50, so you have been diagnosed with A Bit of a Cough. Stay healthy! Maybe you should purchase "101 Ways to Avoid Infection" from the Pharmacy. Nurse Ottis From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 15 16:36:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 00:36:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 39202 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 00:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2001 00:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 00:14:50 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008A2A8A@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:14:50 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA03335; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:14:49 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Point of Order: The Addict References: <4.1.20010111172159.0307e478@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 15 Jan 2001 19:14:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:28:35 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 39 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > Secondly, you also then went on to state: > > >Feyd still has the most pills. Now here's a conundrum: Does he get > >cured of addition and re-contract it, or does he just continue to have > >it? It's not clear in the rules. I'll assume the latter, so (1) he > >doesn't get a 25% chance to avoid addiction but (2) he also doesn't > >lose 3 BP / 5 SP. > > Let me again refer to the rules: > > "Once a week, during Office Hours, the player with the most pills > (regardless of color) is designated the "Addict" for the upcoming week." > > So, at this point, Feyd has been designated the "Addict" for the upcoming > week because this week, during Office Hours, he was the player with the > most pills. > > Let me go on with the rule: > > "Addicts are fragile things, and therefore lose 3 body and 5 soul points at > the beginning of the week they are designated the Addict." > > Since he was just designated the "Addict" for the upcoming week, regardless > of last week, he shall lose 3 body and 5 soul points. Each week a player is > designation the Addict. It is irregardless of last weeks designation. Well, no one else had any comments. Ottis's arguments are good. I'll go along. So (1) Feyd doesn't get a 25% chance to avoid addiction but (2) he also doesn't lose 3 BP / 5 SP. 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.773468017578125 So Feyd *does* (re-)get addiction, and loses the BP/SPs. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 15 17:31:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 01:31:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 77919 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 01:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2001 01:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 01:07:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0G1uwL27344 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:57:00 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:56:58 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Office Holders Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" ----- start proposal text ----- Amend rule 1 by changing its name to "Doc". ----- end proposal text ----- Just looking over the rule set and it seems that rule 1 is much more about "Doc" than about office holders. The descriptions about the various office holders are described throughout various rules. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 15 18:42:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 02:42:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 8041 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 02:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Jan 2001 02:24:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 03:25:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0G3DMS27420 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:13:23 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:13:21 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Hospital Building Engineer, Hospital Rooms and amendment to Trading Post Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Create a new rule entitled "Hospital Building Engineer" with the following text: A player shall hold the office of Hospital Building Engineer. The identity of the Hospital Building Engineer shall be part of the gamestate. When this rule is enacted, the Hospital Building Engineer shall be the person variously known as Sir Toby, Jeff Weston, or jjweston. This paragraph will then repeal itself from this rule. The Hospital Building Engineer tracks all information regarding the various rooms and locations of the Hospital. All required information must be stored in one or more databases at the eGroups web site. As compensation for such duties, the Hospital Building Engineer receives one yellow pill and one purple pill during their Office Hours. If the Hospital Building Engineer is unable to update the eGroups database(s) at least once in between their Office Hours, they will be declared unfit for office and Doc must replace them immediately. Create a new rule entitled "Hospital Rooms" with the following text: There exist a number of rooms in the Hospital, as detailed in this rule. Each player must always occupy one and only one room in the hospital. The location of each player in the hospital shall be part of the gamestate, and maintained by the Hospital Building Engineer. Each room in the hospital shall have a name, a list of rooms that it connects to, and a descritpion of the room. Players may move from one room to another, provided that the room they are in connects to the room they wish to move to, and if that specific move is not disallowed by the rules. Players make such a move by posting it to the mailing list. A player may only make one move in this fashion once per day. When announced, the player moves immediately to the new room, regardless of how long it takes the Hospital Building Engineer to update the eGroups database. Outside World - Connects to Hospital Entrance More of a location than a room, the Outside World offers a great relief to those suffering from Claustrophobia. For every night a player with Claustrophobia spends in the Outside World, that player will gain five (5) soul points. Likewise, for every night a player with Agoraphobia spends in the Outside World, that player will lose five (5) soul points. New players start out in The Outside World, when they join the game. Hospital Entrance - Connects to Outside World, Psychiatric Ward, and Pharmacy This room serves as a major hub for getting to different sections of the hospital. Psychiatric Ward - Connects to Hospital Entrance, and Padded Room This room is the central hub for dealing with psychotic diseases. A player must be present in this room in order to receive Electroshock Therapy. Padded Room - Connects to Psychiatric Ward This room offers a great relief to those suffering from Agoraphobia. For every night a player with Agoraphobia spends in the Padded Room, that player will gain (5) soul points. Likewise, for every night a player with Claustrophobia spends in the Padded Room, that player will lose five (5) soul points. Pharmacy - Connects to Hospital Entrance This room is the home of the Pharmacy. A player must be present in this room in order to purchase items from the Pharmacy. Amend the first paragraph of "Trading Post" to read in full: A player may give another player cash, pills, or pamphlets at any time, as long as the player has the item in their possession to give, and both players are in the same room. From m.couchman@bigwig.net Tue Jan 16 04:59:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 12:59:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 53556 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 12:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2001 12:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 12:59:34 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.11] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2001 12:59:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:59:15 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal to rule 24: The pharmacy Message-ID: <941gj3+vcg4@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5322 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net There seems to be a surplus of pills. Putting a limit on the supply=20 of pills would add a strategic element to the game, perhaps making=20 people buy or beg for pills from other players, or persuading them to=20 have a vaccine through fear of a shortage of medicine, or even=20 allowing the possibility of 'investment' in pills.=20 So, pills are to be made in the pharmacy at a given rate(I intend the=20 supply to be plentiful at first, but perhaps tightened up as the=20 rules are tweaked). Perks, wages etc. paid in pills must be taken=20 from the pharmacy. A Pharmacist (who could also hold another office)=20 oversees the whole operation, making pills, and setting buying and=20 selling prices. This rule is drafted so there should be no immediate large change in=20 the way the game is played. Change would come about more gradually,=20 as pharmacy stocks reduce (perhaps), as nurse changes prices, or as=20 the rule is amended in the future. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Amend the title of rule 24 to "The Pharmacist, and the Pharmacy." Replace the current text of rule 24 with the following: A. The Pharmacist i) At any given time, one player may be a pharmacist, and their=20 identity is part of the gamestate. The player may hold another=20 position at the same time. ii) If at any time the pharmacist is unable to fulfill his or her=20 role, or that Player wishes to vacate the office, Doc must choose a=20 new player to take over. iii) Duties to be undertaken by the pharmacist during Pharmacy Office=20 Hours: -make pills to add to the pharmacy's stocks. -consider whether the pill price list needs amending, and do so if=20 necessary. He or she may also make adjustments at other times if=20 necessary. -draw a salary of 75 cash points -check that the PDP carries correct information regarding pill stocks=20 and pricing. B. The Pharmacy iv) The Pharmacy sells pharmaceutical items to players for cash. Any=20 player may, at any time, buy the items listed in the table below, if=20 the pharmacy has the item in stock. The pharmacy can never have a=20 negative quantity of an item in stock. Players may also sell unused=20 items in their possession back to the Pharmacy for cash. In the interests of public health and safety, no player may purchase=20 more than 3 pills of each type from the pharmacy in one day. v) Pricing: The price at which the pharmacy buys or sells each item=20 may be changed by the Pharmacist during Pharmacist's Office Hours, or=20 at any other time deemed necessary by the Pharmacist. Otherwise the=20 previous price list is assumed to continue. The following table=20 contains the minimum and maximum values that the Pharmacist may set.=20 The price at which the pharmacy will buy an item must always be equal=20 to or lower than the current selling price. The objective of setting=20 prices is to attempt to maintain Pharmacy stocks above zero, while=20 also making pills affordable to players. Item Pharmacy sells Pharmacy buys (in cash points) (in cash points) 1 yellow pill 20-100 0-90=20 1 purple pill 20-100 0-90=20 1 red pill 20-100 0-90 1 blue pill 20-100 0-90 1 green pill 10-90 0-80 1 "Getting over your addiction" pamphlet 0 0 1 "101 ways to avoid infection" pamphlet 0 0 vi) Pills are made only in the pharmacy, and may not be created by=20 any other means. All pills given to players by Doc as perks, or provided through the=20 action of any other rule, must therefore be withdrawn from the=20 Pharmacy stocks.=20 vii) The pharmacy's stocks are increased by the Pharmacist once=20 during each Pharmacist's Office Hours by the following quantities,=20 rounded to the nearest integer, where n =3D the number of players at=20 that time: Yellow pills: n * 1 Red pills: n * 1 Blue pills: n * 1 Green pills: n * 1.5 Purple pills: n * 1 Pamphlets are printed to order, and given out free by the pharmacy.=20 Stocks of pamphlets are therefore inexhaustible, and the PDP need not=20 keep records pertaining to pamphlet stocks. viii) Records of the Pharmacy's stocks, and the current price list, are maintained on the Player Details Page. ix) The following are interim measures while this rule is being=20 brought into force: When the PDP is able to maintain records regarding stocks and the=20 price list, this rule will be enacted fully by proclamation by Doc.=20 Until that time, the pre-existing rules will continue to the extent=20 that: a) the pharmacy is considered to have an inexhaustible supply of=20 pills;=20 b) the Pharmacist may not alter any price mentioned in this rule,=20=20 c) the Pharmacist is not required to replenish pharmacy stocks, and=20 d) Doc may continue to create pills to give to players On full enactment of this rule, the pharmacy will be provided with=20 initial stocks of 30 pills of each type. Pill prices will initially be set as follows: - Pharmacy's buying price =96 zero, for every item. It's up to the=20 Pharmacist to change the prices offered to players. - Pharmacy's selling price - the same prices as prior to the=20 enactment of this rule, namely:=20 =09 1yellow pill 40 cash points=20 1 purple pill 35 cash points=20 1 red pill 30 cash points=20 1 blue pill 25 cash points=20 1 green pill 20 cash points=20 1 "Getting over your addiction" pamphlet 0 cash points=20 1 "101 ways to avoid infection" pamphlet 0 cash points From m.couchman@bigwig.net Tue Jan 16 05:02:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 13:02:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 62272 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 13:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2001 13:02:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 13:02:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.11] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2001 13:02:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:02:42 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: amendment to Pharmacy (2nd attempt) Message-ID: <941gpi+vcle@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 5340 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net There seems to be a surplus of pills *cough*. Putting a limit on the=20 supply of pills would add a strategic element to the game, perhaps=20 making people buy or beg for pills from other players, or persuading=20 them to have a vaccine through fear of a shortage of medicine, or=20 even allowing the possibility of 'investment' in pills.=20 *cough* So, pills are to be made in the pharmacy at a given rate(I intend the=20 supply to be plentiful at first, but perhaps tightened up as the=20 rules are tweaked). Perks, wages etc. paid in pills must be taken=20 from the pharmacy. A Pharmacist (who could also hold another office)=20 oversees the whole operation, making pills, and setting buying and=20 selling prices. This rule is drafted so there should be no immediate large change in=20 the way the game is played. Change would come about more gradually,=20 as pharmacy stocks reduce (perhaps), as nurse changes prices, or as=20 the rule is amended in the future. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Amend the title of rule 24 to "The Pharmacist, and the Pharmacy." Replace the current text of rule 24 with the following: A. The Pharmacist i) At any given time, one player may be a pharmacist, and their=20 identity is part of the gamestate. The player may hold another=20 position at the same time. ii) If at any time the pharmacist is unable to fulfill his or her=20 role, or that Player wishes to vacate the office, Doc must choose a=20 new player to take over. iii) Duties to be undertaken by the pharmacist during Pharmacy Office=20 Hours: -make pills to add to the pharmacy's stocks. -consider whether the pill price list needs amending, and do so if=20 necessary. He or she may also make adjustments at other times if=20 necessary. -draw a salary of 75 cash points -check that the PDP carries correct information regarding pill stocks=20 and pricing. B. The Pharmacy iv) The Pharmacy sells pharmaceutical items to players for cash. Any=20 player may, at any time, buy the items listed in the table below, if=20 the pharmacy has the item in stock. The pharmacy can never have a=20 negative quantity of an item in stock. Players may also sell unused=20 items in their possession back to the Pharmacy for cash. In the interests of public health and safety, no player may purchase=20 more than 3 pills of each type from the pharmacy in one day. v) Pricing: The price at which the pharmacy buys or sells each item=20 may be changed by the Pharmacist during Pharmacist's Office Hours, or at any other time deemed necessary by the Pharmacist.=20 Otherwise the previous price list is assumed to continue. The=20 following table contains the minimum and maximum values that the=20 Pharmacist may set.=20 The price at which the pharmacy will buy an item must always be equal=20 to or lower than the current selling price.=20 The objective of setting prices is to attempt to maintain Pharmacy=20 stocks above zero, while also making pills affordable to players. Item Pharmacy sells Pharmacy buys (in cash points) (in cash points) 1 yellow pill 20-100 0-90=20 1 purple pill 20-100 0-90=20 1 red pill 20-100 0-90 1 blue pill 20-100 0-90 1 green pill 10-90 0-80 1 "Getting over your addiction" pamphlet 0 0 1 "101 ways to avoid infection" pamphlet 0 0 vi) Pills are made only in the pharmacy, and may not be created by=20 any other means. All pills given to players by Doc as perks, or provided through the=20 action of any other rule, must therefore be withdrawn from the=20 Pharmacy stocks.=20 vii) The pharmacy's stocks are increased by the Pharmacist once=20 during each Pharmacist's Office Hours by the following quantities, rounded to the nearest integer, where n =3D the number of=20 players at that time: Yellow pills: n * 1 Red pills: n * 1 Blue pills: n * 1 Green pills: n * 1.5 Purple pills: n * 1 Pamphlets are printed to order, and given out free by the pharmacy.=20 Stocks of pamphlets are therefore inexhaustible, and the PDP need not=20 keep records pertaining to pamphlet stocks. viii) Records of the Pharmacy's stocks, and the current price list, are maintained on the Player Details Page. ix) The following are interim measures while this rule is being=20 brought into force: When the PDP is able to maintain records regarding stocks and the=20 price list, this rule will be enacted fully by proclamation by Doc.=20 Until that time, the pre-existing rules will continue to the extent=20 that: a) the pharmacy is considered to have an inexhaustible supply of=20 pills;=20 b) the Pharmacist may not alter any price mentioned in this rule,=20=20 c) the Pharmacist is not required to replenish pharmacy stocks, and=20 d) Doc may continue to create pills to give to players On full enactment of this rule, the pharmacy will be provided with=20 initial stocks of 30 pills of each type. Pill prices will initially be set as follows: - Pharmacy's buying price =96 zero, for every item. It's up to the=20 Pharmacist to change the prices offered to players. - Pharmacy's selling price - the same prices as prior to the=20 enactment of this rule, namely:=20 =09 1yellow pill 40 cash points=20 1 purple pill 35 cash points=20 1 red pill 30 cash points=20 1 blue pill 25 cash points=20 1 green pill 20 cash points=20 1 "Getting over your addiction" pamphlet 0 cash points=20 1 "101 ways to avoid infection" pamphlet 0 cash points From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Tue Jan 16 07:43:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 15:43:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 20966 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 15:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Jan 2001 15:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 15:37:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0GGPZV27817 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:25:52 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:25:35 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: amendment to Pharmacy (2nd attempt) In-Reply-To: <941gpi+vcle@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 m.couchman@bigwig.net wrote: > Amend the title of rule 24 to "The Pharmacist, and the > Pharmacy." > > Replace the current text of rule 24 with the following: > > A. The Pharmacist [snip] > B. The Pharmacy Some thoughts from the peanut gallery... Interesting proposal. I like the idea of supply and demand with regard to pills. However, it looks like we might be better served with two rules instead of one. One for "The Pharmacist" and one for "The Pharmacy". The content could be split along the lines of section A and B that you detailed in your proposal. I don't like giving The Pharmacist such a huge say in how prices can be set for pills. I would much rather see the prices set by the rules, perhaps giving an equation to set prices based on the number of pills in stock. You don't specify what happens if The Pharmacy doesn't have enough stock to give out for a specific need. What happens if Doc wants to give out a perk, but no pills are left? Can that player receive a rain check and get the pills when The Pharmacy has pills again? From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Jan 16 07:51:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 15:51:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 48611 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 15:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Jan 2001 15:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 15:45:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.211] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2001 15:45:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:45:36 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Psychiatrist: I request 2 therapy sessions during your next office hours! Message-ID: <941qb0+6ek8@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <93vcod+t48v@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 419 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com Last Thursday's Psychiatry Office Hours were cancelled due to me being too busy; this Thursday's will probably just be delayed. Although if I find it too fiddly keeping track of who's asked me for Therapy in the past week, purely so I can adjust some numbers without decision or thought, I may just cancel them and give up the Office. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, you know?" From m.couchman@bigwig.net Tue Jan 16 08:00:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 16:00:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 92931 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 15:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2001 15:50:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 15:50:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.10.117] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2001 15:50:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:50:21 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: amendment to Pharmacy (2nd attempt) Message-ID: <941qjt+cfod@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1655 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 m.couchman@b... wrote: > > > Amend the title of rule 24 to "The Pharmacist, and the > > Pharmacy." > > > > Replace the current text of rule 24 with the following: > > > > A. The Pharmacist > > [snip] > > > B. The Pharmacy > > Some thoughts from the peanut gallery... > > Interesting proposal. I like the idea of supply and demand with > regard to pills. However, it looks like we might be better served with two > rules instead of one. One for "The Pharmacist" and one for "The > Pharmacy". The content could be split along the lines of section A and B > that you detailed in your proposal. > > I don't like giving The Pharmacist such a huge say in how prices > can be set for pills. I would much rather see the prices set by the rules, > perhaps giving an equation to set prices based on the number of pills in > stock. I thought about that briefly, but wasn't sure what sort of formula would work best, particularly without knowing how the pill stocks might vary in the future. Any suggestions? > > You don't specify what happens if The Pharmacy doesn't have enough > stock to give out for a specific need. What happens if Doc wants to give > out a perk, but no pills are left? Can that player receive a rain check > and get the pills when The Pharmacy has pills again? Again, I'm open to suggestions. As it stands, I suppose that Doc would be unable to give out pills at the time, which might slow proposal production a bit! On the other hand, it sounds entirely reasonable that a player could take owed pills at a later date. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Tue Jan 16 08:40:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 16:40:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 9708 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 16:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2001 16:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 16:28:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0GHFsh27846 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:16:17 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:15:54 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: amendment to Pharmacy (2nd attempt) In-Reply-To: <941qjt+cfod@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 m.couchman@bigwig.net wrote: > I thought about that briefly, but wasn't sure what sort of formula > would work best, particularly without knowing how the pill stocks > might vary in the future. Any suggestions? Well... In short pill price should be higher with low pill supply and lower with a high pill supply. Perhaps: price = (x/y) * z x is a constant for the "ideal" number of pills in the pharmacy supply. y is a variable reflecting the actual number of pills in the pharmacy supply. z is a constant for the cost of pills when we have the "ideal" number of pills in the pharmacy supply. You would have to put a maximum limit on prices, since they would be infinite if pill stock ever reached zero... The value of z for the pharmacy selling pills should be the current prices for pills. You would select a lower value of z for when the pharmacy buys back pills. Perhaps the current price minus 10? The value for x would have to be determined by game play... I would start it at 30, the initial stock of pills you are giving to the pharmacy, and go from there. > Again, I'm open to suggestions. As it stands, I suppose that Doc > would be unable to give out pills at the time, which might slow > proposal production a bit! On the other hand, it sounds entirely > reasonable that a player could take owed pills at a later date. Well... Perhaps every time a player receives a pill as a perk, or some other benefit, they would receive a certificate that allows them to trade it in for the pills they are owed at any time, as long as the pharmacy has stock. In combination with my Hospital Rooms proposal, they would only be allowed to exchange the certificates while at the pharmacy... From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Jan 16 08:45:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 16:45:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 29191 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 16:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2001 16:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 16:35:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.4] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2001 16:35:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:35:56 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: amendment to Pharmacy (2nd attempt) Message-ID: <941t9c+ests@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <941qjt+cfod@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1220 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, m.couchman@b... wrote: > --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" > wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 m.couchman@b... wrote: > > > > > Amend the title of rule 24 to "The Pharmacist, and the > > > Pharmacy." > > I don't like giving The Pharmacist such a huge say in how > prices > > can be set for pills. I would much rather see the prices set by the > rules, > > perhaps giving an equation to set prices based on the number of > pills in > > stock. > > I thought about that briefly, but wasn't sure what sort of formula > would work best, particularly without knowing how the pill stocks > might vary in the future. Any suggestions? Well, assuming the PDP can be easily programmed to automatically charge for "purchases", how about: If (N >= P) then Cost := ((N-P) * C/4) + (C * 1.5) Else Cost := C - ((P - N)/4) END IF Where: N = Number of players P = Number of pills of that color C = Base cost of that color pill (i.e. Red = 50, green = 20, etc.). As the number of pills increases price falls very slowly, but as the number of pills decreases the cost goes up arithmatically based on base cost of pill. Feyd From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Tue Jan 16 09:04:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 17:04:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 79349 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 16:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2001 16:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 16:55:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0GHhjq27864 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:43:52 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:43:45 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: amendment to Pharmacy (2nd attempt) In-Reply-To: <941t9c+ests@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" You did not ask for a pill. On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, m.couchman@b... wrote: > > --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" > > wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 m.couchman@b... wrote: > > > > > > > Amend the title of rule 24 to "The Pharmacist, and the > > > > Pharmacy." > > > > I don't like giving The Pharmacist such a huge say in how > > prices > > > can be set for pills. I would much rather see the prices set by > the > > rules, > > > perhaps giving an equation to set prices based on the number of > > pills in > > > stock. > > > > I thought about that briefly, but wasn't sure what sort of formula > > would work best, particularly without knowing how the pill stocks > > might vary in the future. Any suggestions? > > Well, assuming the PDP can be easily programmed to automatically > charge for "purchases", how about: > If (N >= P) then > Cost := ((N-P) * C/4) + (C * 1.5) > Else > Cost := C - ((P - N)/4) > END IF > > Where: N = Number of players > P = Number of pills of that color > C = Base cost of that color pill (i.e. Red = 50, green = 20, > etc.). > > As the number of pills increases price falls very slowly, but as the > number of pills decreases the cost goes up arithmatically based on > base cost of pill. > > Feyd > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > From m.couchman@bigwig.net Tue Jan 16 09:08:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_3); 16 Jan 2001 17:08:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 84830 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2001 16:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2001 16:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Jan 2001 17:57:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.209] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2001 16:56:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:56:31 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: amendment to Pharmacy (2nd attempt) Message-ID: <941ufv+eltd@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <941t9c+ests@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 938 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net > > I thought about that briefly, but wasn't sure what sort of formula > > would work best, particularly without knowing how the pill stocks > > might vary in the future. Any suggestions? > > Well, assuming the PDP can be easily programmed to automatically > charge for "purchases", how about: > If (N >= P) then > Cost := ((N-P) * C/4) + (C * 1.5) > Else > Cost := C - ((P - N)/4) > END IF > > Where: N = Number of players > P = Number of pills of that color > C = Base cost of that color pill (i.e. Red = 50, green = 20, > etc.). > > As the number of pills increases price falls very slowly, but as the > number of pills decreases the cost goes up arithmatically based on > base cost of pill. > > Feyd I quite like that one. We'd have to cut the pharmacist's pay, now his job's being done by a computer! I've no more time to work on it now... I'll see what Doc thinks about it all. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Wed Jan 17 15:25:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_1); 17 Jan 2001 23:25:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 70820 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2001 22:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2001 22:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Jan 2001 22:55:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0HNgrh28623 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:43:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:42:53 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Proposals, repeal Proposal Framework Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Amend "Proposals" to read in full: Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one or more new proposed Rules, and/or one or more amendments to existing Rules, and/or one or more proposed repeals of existing Rules. Only one proposal is allowed per email message. If more than one proposal is included in an email message, all proposals in that message will be ignored. Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal: " followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. Every pending proposal must have a unique label. If more than one pending proposal has the same label, every proposal with that same label will be ignored, except for the first one. The proposal label has two parts. Part one is a listing of all rules that will be created, amended, or repealed. That is followed by a hyphen. The second part is a phrase describing the intent of the proposal. If these guidelines are not followed then the proposal is ignored. Minor variation in spacing and spelling will be accepted as long as the general format is followed. Doc will judge all Pending Proposals, in the order in which they were proposed, and accept, reject or ignore them. If a proposal is ignored or rejected, Doc must give the reason why. To ignore a Proposal, the condition by which it is ignored must be explicit somewhere in the ruleset. Once a Proposal has been judged, it ceases to be Pending. Doc may rewrite a Pending Proposal to clarify its meaning, correct errors, or for any other reason, as long as the rewriting does not alter the meaning. Doc may, at any time, modify or remove any existing Rule or enact new Rules, or modify the Gamestate, by the publication of a Proclamation. In addition, Doc may, at any time, publish a Directive calling for Proposals in a certain area. Repeal "Proposal Framework". From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:22:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:22:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 53458 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 02:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 02:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 04:00:16 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B452C@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:59:11 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA23720; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:59:10 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] proposal: amendment to rule 23 References: <93mipp+mll1@eGroups.com> Date: 17 Jan 2001 21:59:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:29:29 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > The word "disease" shall be added to the end of the third sentence of > rule 23, which currently reads: > > "The blood test shall check for any communicable." > > which in fact isn't quite a sentence at all. REJECTED on the grounds that a previous (approved) proposal has addressed this. Martin has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:23:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:23:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 45711 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 02:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 02:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 02:57:32 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B450F@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:57:32 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA23503; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:57:31 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal : Amendment to Nurse, The Epidemiologist, Therapy Session, and Blood Bank References: Date: 17 Jan 2001 21:57:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:30:36 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Amend the second paragraph of "Nurse" by striking the phrase, > "since the most recent Office Hours" and replacing it with "since Doc's > most recent Office Hours". > > Amend the second paragraph of "The Epidemiologist" by striking the > phrase "between Office Hours" and replacing it with "between Doc's Office > Hours". Also, amend the fifth paragraph by striking the phrase "Between > Office Hours" and replacing it with "During their Office Hours". > > Amend "Therapy Session" by striking the phrase, "During Office > Hours", and replacing it with "During their Office Hours". Also amend it, > by striking the phrase "for a particular office hours" and replacing it > with "for each of the Psychiatrist's Office Hours". > > Amend the second paragraph of "Blood Bank" by striking the phrase, > "once per four Office Hours", and replacing it with "once per four of > Doc's Office Hours". APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:25:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:25:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 88120 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 03:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 03:01:15 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B4549@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:01:15 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA23970; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:01:14 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] proposal: Amendment to rule 0 References: <93mtea+e5g3@eGroups.com> Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:01:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:31:06 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > Rule 0 states in sentence 2 that > > "Each Rule shall begin with a unique, finite, nonnegative integer > number and a brief descriptive name." > > Rule infinity (Diseases) is in clear breach of this. I propose that > the sentence be amended to read: > > "Each Rule shall begin with a unique, finite, nonnegative integer > number and a brief descriptive name, with the exception of rule > infinity (Diseases) which need not begin with a finite number." REJECTED on the grounds that this problem has been addressed by changing Diseases' rule number to a finite one. Martin (whose FoR was cured by his last proposal) has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:26:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:26:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 61947 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 03:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 03:02:02 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B4557@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:02:02 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA24076; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:02:01 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Cc: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Diseases References: <4.1.20010112105758.032f7780@pop3.ispchannel.com> Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:02:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:01:06 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I have a foolproof way to fix the Addict disease... In real life, Addiction > is a very serious and long term ailment, so, despite of its inherantness to > instantly be rejected, I though it would be worth the thrill of it: > > Change the Addiction disease to the following: > > Once a week, during Office Hours, the player known as Feyd is designated > the "Addict" for the upcoming week. > > Feyd may not take any action that reduces the number of pills in eir > possession except to take a pill. > > Feyd is fragile, and therefore lose 3 body and 5 soul points at the > beginning of every week. In addition, the Feyd must take 1 red pill in > order to make a Proposal. In any non-proposal message they send to the > public newsgroup Feyd must in some way ask for a pill. Failure to do so > will cause em to lose 1 soul point; this failure to do so may be pointed > out by any Player or Doc, at which point the deduction will be queued as an > action for the next Office Hours. The first player per message thus helping > Feyd fight his addiction is doing a good deed, and thus gains a soul point. > Subsequent players are just nagging and get nothing. Heh. REJECTED... Ottis has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:29:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:29:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 62145 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 03:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 03:03:24 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B4577@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:03:23 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA24232; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:03:23 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Blood Test References: Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:03:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:23:25 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Amend "Blood Test" by appending the following paragraph: > > After the discovery of an infection, the player has 24 hours to receive a > vaccine against the infection. If they receive the vaccination, they are > immediately cured of the infection, as well as receiving whatever effects > the vaccine gives them. APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:29:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:29:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 98216 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 03:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 04:05:53 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B45A1@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:04:32 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA24282; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:04:31 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to The Epidemiologist References: Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:04:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:15:46 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Amend "The Epidemiologist" by striking from the third paragraph > the phrase, "contract any disease" and replacing it with "contract any > communicable disease". APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:31:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:31:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 89085 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 03:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 03:00:00 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B4538@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:00:00 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA23784; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:59:59 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendments to diseases (hypergreenism, and definitions) References: <93mmdn+q6kv@eGroups.com> Date: 17 Jan 2001 21:59:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:31:19 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 43 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > Two proposed amendments to Diseases: > > ============ > > A) > > Hypergreenism (non-contagious: blood-borne) > > Any player who takes five or more green pills in a 24 hour period > shall contract hypergreenism, from the time they take the fifth pill. > A sufferer of the disease loses 5 body points immediately, and a > further 5 body points each time they take a green pill. No blood > donations may be made, due to the excessive amount of green in the > circulation. > Hypergreenism may be cured by receiving a transfusion of two > pints of blood, to reduce levels of green, and taking a blue pill. > > > ========================= > B) > > {According to my dictionary, "contagious" means a disease can be > caught by contact of skin or clothing. Thus, an airborne disease is > not necessarily a contagious disease, so:} > > Paragraph 5 of rule infinity (diseases) shall be amended to read: > > Some diseases are communicable. Communicable diseases include the > following types: > 1) Infectious > i)Airborne > 2) Contagious. > > 3) Non-contagious. Non-contagious diseases include the following > types: > i)Blood-borne -5 SPs. APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:32:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:32:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 73872 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 03:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 03:07:41 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B45DA@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:07:40 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA24636; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:07:40 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: The Surgeon References: <93v8tc+1e3a@eGroups.com> Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:07:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:35:56 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 48 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > [[ This propsal is a rewrite of the previous Surgeon rules. I have > attempted to remove the confusing items, and add more office hours to- > do work for the surgeon.]] > > ================= BEGIN NEW PROPOSAL ============================= > Create a new rule as follows: > > The Surgeon > The Surgeon is in charge of operations and physical wounds. His > primary duty is to deal with all diseases of type "Injury" > or "Physical". > > The name of the player who holds the Office of Surgeon is part of the > gamestate. The Surgeon is responsible for hosting a database at > http://www.egroups.com/database/DocNomic to hold all diseases of > type "Injury" and "Physical" and eir cure(s) if any. > > The Surgeon is bound by the rules of Office Hours as stated in Rule > 13. During eir Office Hours the Surgeon performs the following > actions: > a. Perform all cures for Injuries requested by players since the > last Office Hours. The surgeon is responsible for updating the PDP > for all cures e performs. > b. Pay eirself wages of 1 Red pill, 1 Blue pill, and 100 Cash. > c. Select one player at random, and one disease of type Physical > or Injury at random. The selected player has a 20% chance of > acquiring the Injury. > > > The Surgeon may not perform surgury on emself. Because of their > knowlege of the physical body they can trade 2 soul > for 1 body at any time. > > The Surgeon position can be assigned or reassigned by Doc at any > time. > > When this rule is accepted the Surgeon will be player Feyd. This > paragraph will then self-delete. [[Doc can immediately set the > surgeon to someone else if anyone would like to be surgeon.]] APPROVED. 1 green, 1 red. If anyone other than Feyd wants to be the Surgeon, let me know. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:33:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:33:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 84968 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 03:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 03:09:48 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B45FC@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:09:48 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA24930; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:09:48 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Office Holders References: Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:09:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:56:58 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > ----- start proposal text ----- > > Amend rule 1 by changing its name to "Doc". > > ----- end proposal text ----- > > Just looking over the rule set and it seems that rule 1 is much > more about "Doc" than about office holders. The descriptions about the > various office holders are described throughout various rules. APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:35:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:35:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 82949 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 03:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 03:10:38 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B460F@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:10:38 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA25101; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:10:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Hospital Building Engineer, Hospital Rooms and amendment to Trading Post References: Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:10:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:13:21 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 79 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Create a new rule entitled "Hospital Building Engineer" with the > following text: > > A player shall hold the office of Hospital Building Engineer. The identity > of the Hospital Building Engineer shall be part of the gamestate. > > When this rule is enacted, the Hospital Building Engineer shall be the > person variously known as Sir Toby, Jeff Weston, or jjweston. This > paragraph will then repeal itself from this rule. > > The Hospital Building Engineer tracks all information regarding the various > rooms and locations of the Hospital. All required information must be > stored in one or more databases at the eGroups web site. As compensation > for such duties, the Hospital Building Engineer receives one yellow pill > and one purple pill during their Office Hours. If the Hospital Building > Engineer is unable to update the eGroups database(s) at least once in > between their Office Hours, they will be declared unfit for office and Doc > must replace them immediately. > > Create a new rule entitled "Hospital Rooms" with the following text: > > There exist a number of rooms in the Hospital, as detailed in this rule. > Each player must always occupy one and only one room in the hospital. The > location of each player in the hospital shall be part of the gamestate, and > maintained by the Hospital Building Engineer. Each room in the hospital > shall have a name, a list of rooms that it connects to, and a descritpion > of the room. > > Players may move from one room to another, provided that the room they are > in connects to the room they wish to move to, and if that specific move is > not disallowed by the rules. Players make such a move by posting it to the > mailing list. A player may only make one move in this fashion once per day. > When announced, the player moves immediately to the new room, regardless of > how long it takes the Hospital Building Engineer to update the eGroups > database. > > Outside World - Connects to Hospital Entrance > More of a location than a room, the Outside World offers a great > relief to those suffering from Claustrophobia. For every night a player > with Claustrophobia spends in the Outside World, that player will gain five > (5) soul points. Likewise, for every night a player with Agoraphobia spends > in the Outside World, that player will lose five (5) soul points. New > players start out in The Outside World, when they join the game. > > Hospital Entrance - Connects to Outside World, Psychiatric Ward, and > Pharmacy > This room serves as a major hub for getting to different sections of > the hospital. > > Psychiatric Ward - Connects to Hospital Entrance, and Padded Room > This room is the central hub for dealing with psychotic diseases. A > player must be present in this room in order to receive Electroshock > Therapy. > > Padded Room - Connects to Psychiatric Ward > This room offers a great relief to those suffering from Agoraphobia. > For every night a player with Agoraphobia spends in the Padded Room, that > player will gain (5) soul points. Likewise, for every night a player with > Claustrophobia spends in the Padded Room, that player will lose five (5) > soul points. > > Pharmacy - Connects to Hospital Entrance > This room is the home of the Pharmacy. A player must be present in > this room in order to purchase items from the Pharmacy. > > Amend the first paragraph of "Trading Post" to read in full: > > A player may give another player cash, pills, or pamphlets at any time, as > long as the player has the item in their possession to give, and both > players are in the same room. APPROVED. 1 each green, red, and blue. Just one question: where is everyone??? -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:36:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:36:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 4472 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 03:06:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 04:07:42 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B45CD@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:06:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA24564; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:06:36 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] proposal: amendment to Vaccination References: <93usve+u2lp@eGroups.com> Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:06:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:12:14 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > Amend the first sentence to read: > > A player may buy a vaccination from the Nurse at a cost of 100 cash > points. > > > In the third sentence, change "Office Hours" to "Nurse's Office Hours" -5 SP. APPROVED. 1 green. Martin no longer has FoR. > {Would it make sense for it to be administered via the Player Details > Page? Maybe... > Also, I wonder if 100 cash might be too expensive for the > vaccine, but it seemed a good round figure that could be adjusted at > a later date} I don't see anyone running low on cash yet... -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:39:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:39:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 10358 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 03:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 03:08:37 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B45E7@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:08:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA24729; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:08:36 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Rule 19 - Winning Conditions References: <93vckd+398c@eGroups.com> Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:08:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:39:25 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > Add the following paragraphs to the end of Rule 19. > > If at any time 1 and only 1 player is not "Dead" (as defined in rule > 11), that player will be declared the "Winner" of round 1. > > If at any time 1 and only 1 player has more that 199 pills, more than > 100 health, more than 100 body, more than 10,000 cash, and has no > diseases, that player shall be declared the "Winner" of round 1. APPROVED. 1 green, 1 red. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:39:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:39:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 11771 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 03:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 04:10:13 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B45F3@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:09:07 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA24797; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:09:07 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] proposal: amendment to rule 1 (Office holders) References: <93vp65+p06e@eGroups.com> Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:09:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:13:41 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > This provides a bare skeleton for an unfortunate eventuality, for > which no pill could prepare us. It's far from perfect, but better > than nothing: > > Add the following to the end of rule 1: > > In the event that Doc is absent from the game for a period of more > than three weeks without making arrangements for his return, the > players may choose a new Doc. They register their preference by > election, each player having one vote each. The Nurse oversees the > process, and appoints as the new Doc the player receiving the most > votes. In the event of a tie, the Nurse may appoint one of those > receiving the highest number of votes. APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 19:55:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 03:55:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 52112 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 03:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 03:27:35 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B4744@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:27:35 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA27574; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:27:34 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: The Surgeon References: <93v8tc+1e3a@eGroups.com> Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:27:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:35:56 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu This creates Rule 30. Phobia check: Kevan, Britta, Ottis, Mark lose 5 SPs. Jeff gains 5 SP. Jeff and Martin have 27% chance (3 repealed rules so 30-3) of getting Agoraphobia. 2 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.411865234375 0.576568603515625 Neither does. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Jan 17 20:01:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 04:01:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 72573 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 03:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 03:37:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 03:37:34 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B4834@mailer.syr.edu>; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:37:34 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA29538; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:37:32 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Hospital Building Engineer, Hospital Rooms and amendment to Trading Post References: Date: 17 Jan 2001 22:37:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:13:21 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu This creates Rules 31 and 32. Phobia check: (Rule 31) Kevan, Britta, Ottis, Mark lose 5 SPs. Jeff gains 5 SP. Jeff and Martin have 28% chance (3 repealed rules so 31-3) of getting Agoraphobia. 2 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.053253173828125 0.34979248046875 Jeff does (and is cured of Claustrophobia). (Rule 32) Kevan, Britta, Ottis, Mark, and Jeff lose 5 SPs. Martin has 28% chance (3 repealed rules so 32-3) of getting Agoraphobia. 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.375396728515625 He doesn't. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 18 06:29:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 14:29:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 10930 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 14:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 14:28:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 14:28:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.11] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2001 14:28:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:28:18 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Doc: PoO: Why wasn't Feyd included in Phobia checks? Message-ID: <946ui2+cs5a@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 18 07:00:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 15:00:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 3577 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 14:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 14:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 14:57:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.93] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2001 14:57:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:55:56 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend Hospital Rooms (more rooms and starting point) Message-ID: <94705s+dbfn@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1077 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > > Outside World - Connects to Hospital Entrance > > Hospital Entrance - Connects to Outside World, Psychiatric Ward, > > Psychiatric Ward - Connects to Hospital Entrance, and Padded Room > > Padded Room - Connects to Psychiatric Ward > > Pharmacy - Connects to Hospital Entrance > Just one question: where is everyone??? Amend the Hospital Room rule as follows: ================================================= Add the rooms: Lab -- connects to Hospital Entrance and the Pharmacy. A player must be in the lab to receive a cure from the Epidemiologist. The Epidemiologist does not have to be in the room at the same time. Trama Center -- connects to the Hospital Entrance. All surgery takes place in the Trama Center. Both the player requesting surgery and the surgeon must be in the Trama Center for surgery to be performed. And add the following paragraph to the end of the rule: "All players currently in the game are placed at the Hospital Entrance". Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 18 07:03:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 15:03:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 3721 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 14:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 14:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 15:58:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.93] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2001 14:57:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:57:36 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd takes a red pill for previous proposal (PDP updated) Message-ID: <947090+icbf@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 53 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com anyone got a red pill for me? I'm running low! Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 18 07:18:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 15:18:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 64769 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 15:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 15:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk.egroups.com) (10.1.1.30) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 15:11:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.109] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2001 15:11:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:10:56 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Surgery Update Message-ID: <947120+u3cb@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 339 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com Assuming no one has request the office surgeon, surgury hours will be on or before 5:00 PM CST this afternoon. Please have all requests for surgery posted by then. Feyd Before I do surgery for any person I would really like to take a yellow pill, it makes me feel happy and steadies my hand! Anyone have any yellow pills for me? From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 18 07:20:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 15:20:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 70722 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 15:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 15:13:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c3.egroups.com) (10.1.10.50) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 15:13:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.109] by c3.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2001 15:13:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:13:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Psychiatrist : I request 3 counseling sessions. Message-ID: <94717h+pp3m@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 198 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com Not to cure my addiction, I feel I have that in hand (btw: could I have one of those green jobbers you have?), but just to increase my general self-esteem! I have so much pressure at work! Feyd From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 18 07:20:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 15:20:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 70161 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 15:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 15:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 16:14:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0IG0dO29170 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:01:28 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:00:39 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Hospital Building Engineer, Hospital Rooms and amendment to Trading Post In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On 17 Jan 2001 rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > APPROVED. 1 each green, red, and blue. > > Just one question: where is everyone??? Whoops... I thought I had specified everyone starts in the Outside World. Looks like that was the one thing I forgot. Since the Outside World specifies that new players start out there, that is where I will start all current players out. I will hold Hospital Building Engineer Office Hours shortly and set up the database... From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 18 07:25:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 15:25:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 21035 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 15:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 15:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.91) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 15:18:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.207] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2001 15:18:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:18:39 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Epidemiologist Report: Strange new cure Message-ID: <9471gf+rjch@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 420 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com I have just received a strange new cannister of volcanic gas which is supposed to be quite helpful with the New Zealand natives, who swear it helps them fight a variety of psychosis. First come, First served. All requests before Office Hours will be considered. Please remember that I have a fondness for blue pills. Office Hours will occur on or before 5:00 PM EST, so please make all requests by then. Feyd From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 18 07:30:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 15:30:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 34435 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 15:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 15:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 16:23:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0IGAXX29192 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:10:55 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:10:33 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Hospital Rooms (more rooms and starting point) In-Reply-To: <94705s+dbfn@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > Amend the Hospital Room rule as follows: > ================================================= > Add the rooms: > > Lab -- connects to Hospital Entrance and the Pharmacy. A player must > be in the lab to receive a cure from the Epidemiologist. The > Epidemiologist does not have to be in the room at the same time. > > Trama Center -- connects to the Hospital Entrance. All surgery takes > place in the Trama Center. Both the player requesting surgery and > the surgeon must be in the Trama Center for surgery to be performed. You did not specify a route for players to reach the above rooms. While you provided a way to travel from the lab to the entrance and that pharmacy, you did not provide a way to travel from the entrance or the pharmacy into the lab. Same with the trauma center. Connections must be made to/from both rooms if you want players to be able to move both directions between the rooms. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 18 07:47:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 15:47:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 45039 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 15:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 15:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 16:38:22 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B742D@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:37:17 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA19340; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:37:16 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Doc: PoO: Why wasn't Feyd included in Phobia checks? References: <946ui2+cs5a@eGroups.com> Date: 18 Jan 2001 10:37:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:28:18 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 62 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Oh. Duh. First one because you were the proposer, and second and third because I wasn't thinking. Feyd should have been included and Jeff should not, in the latter. That is, it should have been: > This creates Rules 31 and 32. Phobia check: > > (Rule 31) > > Kevan, Britta, Ottis, Mark lose 5 SPs. Jeff gains 5 SP. > > Jeff and Martin have 28% chance (3 repealed rules so 31-3) of getting ^^^^ Should be Feyd. > Agoraphobia. > > 2 random reals 0 < x < 1: > 0.053253173828125 > 0.34979248046875 > > Jeff does (and is cured of Claustrophobia). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Should be: Feyd does. (Epidemiologist rule was amended previously, so no 25% chance to avoid it.) > > (Rule 32) > > Kevan, Britta, Ottis, Mark, and Jeff lose 5 SPs. ^^^^ Should be Feyd. Should have also had: Jeff gains 5 SPs. > Martin has 28% chance (3 repealed rules so 32-3) of getting > Agoraphobia. > > 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: > 0.375396728515625 > > He doesn't. Should also have had 28% chance for Jeff to get Agoraphobia: 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.291015625 He doesn't. Net changes with respect to what was done last night: Jeff still has C-phobia, not A-phobia Feyd gets A-phobia Feyd loses 5 SPs Jeff gains 10 SPs -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 18 08:15:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 16:15:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 62701 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 16:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 16:04:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 16:04:13 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010118160728.VKL382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:07:28 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010118100720.0423cc98@pop101.umail.com> X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com@pop101.umail.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:08:03 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Scary In-Reply-To: References: <946ui2+cs5a@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Doesn't anyone find it scary that the addict is also the surgeon? I know that in real life, similar events happen daily, but, not in our Hospital! From m.couchman@bigwig.net Thu Jan 18 08:46:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 16:46:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 62986 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 16:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 16:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 17:33:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.10.109] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2001 16:31:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:31:54 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Point of order: negative pills? Message-ID: <9475pq+7h0d@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 192 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net the PDP shows that Feyd now has -1 red pills. Maybe the PDP needs tinkering with... in the meantime, Feyd needs to get a red pill from somewhere, faster than immediately, to resolve things. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 18 08:52:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 16:52:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 45521 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 16:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 16:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 17:42:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0IHTNc29231 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:29:40 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:29:23 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Scary In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010118100720.0423cc98@pop101.umail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Ottis Airhart wrote: > Doesn't anyone find it scary that the addict is also the surgeon? I know > that in real life, similar events happen daily, but, not in our Hospital! Looking at the PDP, I think your concern should be having an addict for the Hospital Building Engineer. Looks like the surgeon will soon be getting over his addiction. From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 18 09:06:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 17:06:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 11721 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 16:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 16:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mv.egroups.com) (10.1.1.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 16:53:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.120] by mv.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2001 16:53:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:53:30 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Scary Message-ID: <94772a+1b00@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20010118100720.0423cc98@pop101.umail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 369 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Ottis Airhart wrote: > Doesn't anyone find it scary that the addict is also the surgeon? I know > that in real life, similar events happen daily, but, not in our Hospital! Personally I think that it is just too fitting. Besides, I'm really fighting hard against my addiction. Um, care to help with a blue pill? Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 18 09:08:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 17:08:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 90836 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 16:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 16:56:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 16:56:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.120] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2001 16:56:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:56:00 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Point of order: negative pills? Message-ID: <947770+hn1u@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9475pq+7h0d@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 373 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, m.couchman@b... wrote: > the PDP shows that Feyd now has -1 red pills. Maybe the PDP needs > tinkering with... in the meantime, Feyd needs to get a red pill from > somewhere, faster than immediately, to resolve things. Doc awarded me one for a proposal, but didn't up the PDP yet. That should fix things. Or you can give me one... feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 18 09:09:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 17:09:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 20650 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 16:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 16:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 17:56:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.120] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2001 16:54:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:54:50 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Amend Hospital Rooms (more rooms and starting point) Message-ID: <94774q+3qia@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 846 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 Nomic1@a... wrote: > > > Amend the Hospital Room rule as follows: > > ================================================= > > Add the rooms: > > > > Lab -- connects to Hospital Entrance and the Pharmacy. A player > > Trama Center -- connects to the Hospital Entrance. All surgery > You did not specify a route for players to reach the above > rooms. While you provided a way to travel from the lab to the entrance and > that pharmacy, you did not provide a way to travel from the entrance or > the pharmacy into the lab. Same with the trauma center. Connections must > be made to/from both rooms if you want players to be able to move both > directions between the rooms. These are two-way connections. Obvious by intent. gotta pill? Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 18 09:32:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 17:32:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 53094 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 17:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 17:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 17:19:52 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008B8446@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:19:52 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA17424; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:19:47 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Point of order: negative pills? References: <947770+hn1u@eGroups.com> Date: 18 Jan 2001 12:19:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:56:00 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > Doc awarded me one for a proposal, but didn't up the PDP yet. That > should fix things. Hmm, thought I did, but it's not logged. So I gave you two more. The PDP now shows -3 red pills. WTF?? (That's if you turn off graphics. With graphics on, apparently a negative pill looks just like a pill.) -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 18 09:33:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 17:33:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 96463 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 17:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 17:21:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 17:21:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.225] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2001 17:21:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:20:36 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: DOC: When you gave me 2 red pills did I go to -3 red? Message-ID: <9478l4+ao8n@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 88 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com Is this a PDP bug? I should have +1, not -3 red... Feyd and can I have another pill? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 18 12:25:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 20:25:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 64685 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 20:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 20:02:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 21:03:18 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0IKnkW29333 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:50:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:49:46 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Amend Hospital Rooms (more rooms and starting point) In-Reply-To: <94774q+3qia@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > These are two-way connections. Obvious by intent. I understand that they should be two way connections. The reason I brought up my point is that you did not make them two way connections in your proposal. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 18 13:46:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 21:46:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 88296 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 21:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 21:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 22:24:07 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008BA9B4@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:23:01 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA24237; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:23:01 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: amendment to Pharmacy (2nd attempt) References: <941gpi+vcle@eGroups.com> Date: 18 Jan 2001 16:23:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:02:42 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 134 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > ================================= > > Amend the title of rule 24 to "The Pharmacist, and the > Pharmacy." > > Replace the current text of rule 24 with the following: > > A. The Pharmacist > > i) At any given time, one player may be a pharmacist, and their > identity is part of the gamestate. The player may hold another > position at the same time. > > ii) If at any time the pharmacist is unable to fulfill his or her > role, or that Player wishes to vacate the office, Doc must choose a > new player to take over. > > iii) Duties to be undertaken by the pharmacist during Pharmacy Office > Hours: > > -make pills to add to the pharmacy's stocks. > -consider whether the pill price list needs amending, and do so if > necessary. He or she may also make adjustments at other times if > necessary. > -draw a salary of 75 cash points > -check that the PDP carries correct information regarding pill stocks > and pricing. > > B. The Pharmacy > > iv) The Pharmacy sells pharmaceutical items to players for cash. Any > player may, at any time, buy the items listed in the table below, if > the pharmacy has the item in stock. The pharmacy can never have a > negative quantity of an item in stock. Players may also sell unused > items in their possession back to the Pharmacy for cash. > > In the interests of public health and safety, no player may purchase > more than 3 pills of each type from the pharmacy in one day. > > v) Pricing: The price at which the pharmacy buys or sells each item > may be changed by the Pharmacist during Pharmacist's Office > Hours, or at any other time deemed necessary by the Pharmacist. > Otherwise the previous price list is assumed to continue. The > following table contains the minimum and maximum values that the > Pharmacist may set. > > The price at which the pharmacy will buy an item must always be equal > to or lower than the current selling price. > > The objective of setting prices is to attempt to maintain Pharmacy > stocks above zero, while also making pills affordable to players. > > Item Pharmacy sells Pharmacy buys > (in cash points) (in cash points) > 1 yellow pill 20-100 0-90 > 1 purple pill 20-100 0-90 > 1 red pill 20-100 0-90 > 1 blue pill 20-100 0-90 > 1 green pill 10-90 0-80 > 1 "Getting over your addiction" pamphlet 0 0 > 1 "101 ways to avoid infection" pamphlet 0 0 > > vi) Pills are made only in the pharmacy, and may not be created by > any other means. > > All pills given to players by Doc as perks, or provided through the > action of any other rule, must therefore be withdrawn from the > Pharmacy stocks. > > vii) The pharmacy's stocks are increased by the Pharmacist once > during each Pharmacist's Office Hours by the following > quantities, rounded to the nearest integer, where n = the number of > players at that time: > > Yellow pills: n * 1 > Red pills: n * 1 > Blue pills: n * 1 > Green pills: n * 1.5 > Purple pills: n * 1 > > > Pamphlets are printed to order, and given out free by the pharmacy. > Stocks of pamphlets are therefore inexhaustible, and the PDP need not > keep records pertaining to pamphlet stocks. > > viii) Records of the Pharmacy's stocks, and the current price > list, are maintained on the Player Details Page. > > ix) The following are interim measures while this rule is being > brought into force: > > When the PDP is able to maintain records regarding stocks and the > price list, this rule will be enacted fully by proclamation by Doc. > Until that time, the pre-existing rules will continue to the extent > that: > a) the pharmacy is considered to have an inexhaustible supply of > pills; > b) the Pharmacist may not alter any price mentioned in this rule, > c) the Pharmacist is not required to replenish pharmacy stocks, and > d) Doc may continue to create pills to give to players > > On full enactment of this rule, the pharmacy will be provided with > initial stocks of 30 pills of each type. > > Pill prices will initially be set as follows: > - Pharmacy's buying price – zero, for every item. It's up > to the > Pharmacist to change the prices offered to players. > - Pharmacy's selling price - the same prices as prior to the > enactment of this rule, namely: > > 1yellow pill 40 cash points > 1 purple pill 35 cash points > 1 red pill 30 cash points > 1 blue pill 25 cash points > 1 green pill 20 cash points > 1 "Getting over your addiction" pamphlet 0 cash points > 1 "101 ways to avoid infection" pamphlet 0 cash points Hmm, this is one very LONG rule, and there's some unresolved discussion concerning pricing. This seems a major complication at a time when another big complication (hospital room structure) has just come up. I'm inclined to favor zero-sum stuff of this sort, but I think this will have to be REJECTED for the time being. A simpler approach to the idea might be feasible... Martin has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 18 13:49:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 21:49:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 91751 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 21:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 21:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 21:27:15 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008BAA18@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:26:55 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA25563; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:26:54 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Proposals, repeal Proposal Framework References: Date: 18 Jan 2001 16:26:53 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:42:53 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 50 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Amend "Proposals" to read in full: > > Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. > A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one or > more new proposed Rules, and/or one or more amendments to existing Rules, > and/or one or more proposed repeals of existing Rules. > > Only one proposal is allowed per email message. If more than one proposal > is included in an email message, all proposals in that message will be > ignored. Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal: " > followed by a label for the proposal or it shall be ignored. Every pending > proposal must have a unique label. If more than one pending proposal has > the same label, every proposal with that same label will be ignored, except > for the first one. > > The proposal label has two parts. Part one is a listing of all rules that > will be created, amended, or repealed. That is followed by a hyphen. The > second part is a phrase describing the intent of the proposal. If these > guidelines are not followed then the proposal is ignored. Minor variation > in spacing and spelling will be accepted as long as the general format is > followed. > > Doc will judge all Pending Proposals, in the order in which they were > proposed, and accept, reject or ignore them. If a proposal is ignored or > rejected, Doc must give the reason why. To ignore a Proposal, the condition > by which it is ignored must be explicit somewhere in the ruleset. Once a > Proposal has been judged, it ceases to be Pending. > > Doc may rewrite a Pending Proposal to clarify its meaning, correct errors, > or for any other reason, as long as the rewriting does not alter the > meaning. > > Doc may, at any time, modify or remove any existing Rule or enact new > Rules, or modify the Gamestate, by the publication of a Proclamation. In > addition, Doc may, at any time, publish a Directive calling for Proposals > in a certain area. > > Repeal "Proposal Framework". REJECTED. First, the required label format is way too clumsy, especially in cases where multiple rules are being amended. Second, I see no reason why Doc should be required to explain a rejection -- even though I nearly always give one. Jeff has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 18 13:57:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 21:57:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 34493 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 21:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 21:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 22:34:17 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008BAB48@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:32:31 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA26372; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:32:30 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Hospital Rooms (more rooms and starting point) References: <94705s+dbfn@eGroups.com> Date: 18 Jan 2001 16:32:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:55:56 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 44 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > Amend the Hospital Room rule as follows: > ================================================= > Add the rooms: > > Lab -- connects to Hospital Entrance and the Pharmacy. A player must > be in the lab to receive a cure from the Epidemiologist. The > Epidemiologist does not have to be in the room at the same time. > > Trama Center -- connects to the Hospital Entrance. All surgery takes > place in the Trama Center. Both the player requesting surgery and > the surgeon must be in the Trama Center for surgery to be performed. > > And add the following paragraph to the end of the rule: > "All players currently in the game are placed at the Hospital > Entrance". ACCEPTED. With regard to the connections dispute, let me point out what the present rule requires: "Each room in the hospital shall have a name, a list of rooms that it connects to, and a descritpion of the room." (Hmm, a typo to fix.) Feyd's rooms have all three required specifications. Jeff is correct, however, that there is no way to get to Feyd's rooms! The rule as amended will still say > Hospital Entrance - Connects to Outside World, Psychiatric Ward, and > Pharmacy [...] > Pharmacy - Connects to Hospital Entrance i.e. no connections from those rooms to the new ones exist. But we can just add that to our contractor's punch list and fix it up later, right? 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 18 14:04:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 22:04:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 33208 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 21:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 21:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 21:39:51 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008BAC4D@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:39:36 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA27627; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:39:27 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Hospital Rooms (more rooms and starting point) References: <94705s+dbfn@eGroups.com> Date: 18 Jan 2001 16:39:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:55:56 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > And add the following paragraph to the end of the rule: > "All players currently in the game are placed at the Hospital > Entrance". Having enacted the above Rule Change, the Players are, by the above provision, placed at the Hospital Entrance. Now that they are there, the above provision is hereby repealed by Proclamation (otherwise no one would be able to move...). -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 18 14:06:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 22:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 44757 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 21:43:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 21:43:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 21:43:16 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008BAD10@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:43:16 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA28416; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:43:15 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: PDP arithmetic Date: 18 Jan 2001 16:43:15 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Hmm, as a test I tried giving Feyd 10 more red pills. He ended up with -13 of them. So I tried taking away 14 red pills. Now he has --1 of them. Kevan, I think you need to re-examine how you handle negative numbers... -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 18 14:27:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 22:27:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 4637 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 22:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 22:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 22:02:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0IMoPk29387 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:50:46 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:50:25 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Proposals, repeal Proposal Framework - second try Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" ----- start proposal text ----- Amend "Proposals" to read in full: Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one or more new proposed Rules, and/or one or more amendments to existing Rules, and/or one or more proposed repeals of existing Rules. Only one proposal is allowed per email message. If more than one proposal is included in an email message, all proposals in that message will be ignored. Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal: " followed by a label describing the intent of the proposal or it shall be ignored. Every pending proposal must have a unique label. If more than one pending proposal has the same label, every proposal with that same label will be ignored, except for the first one. Doc will judge all Pending Proposals, in the order in which they were proposed, and accept, reject or ignore them. To ignore a Proposal, the condition by which it is ignored must be explicit somewhere in the ruleset. Once a Proposal has been judged, it ceases to be Pending. Doc may rewrite a Pending Proposal to clarify its meaning, correct errors, or for any other reason, as long as the rewriting does not alter the meaning. Doc may, at any time, modify or remove any existing Rule or enact new Rules, or modify the Gamestate, by the publication of a Proclamation. In addition, Doc may, at any time, publish a Directive calling for Proposals in a certain area. Repeal "Proposal Framework". ----- end proposal text ----- Second stab at a similiar proposal. Trying to address Doc's concerns... I'm actually trying to get rid of "Proposal Framework". It duplicated some stuff in "Proposals" and the problems we found with it were never corrected. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 18 14:30:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 22:30:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 10172 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 22:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 22:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 22:04:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0IMqLW29391 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:52:28 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:52:21 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Hospital Rooms (more rooms and starting point) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On 18 Jan 2001 rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > Nomic1@aol.com writes: > > > And add the following paragraph to the end of the rule: > > "All players currently in the game are placed at the Hospital > > Entrance". > > ACCEPTED. I have moved all players to the Hospital Entrance, as required by the proposal. From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 18 14:30:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 22:30:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 10926 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 22:04:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 22:04:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 23:05:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.95] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2001 22:04:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:04:21 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend Room Rule (Room connections are symmetrical) Message-ID: <947p95+tdv@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 608 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com Jeff, Got a great way to solve this discussion: PROPOSAL: Amemd the Room Rule with the following statement: If a player can go from Room A to Room B, e can also move from Room B from Room A. Feyd Can I have a pill now? I also purchase, and consume, 1 red pill. --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 Nomic1@a... wrote: > > > These are two-way connections. Obvious by intent. > > I understand that they should be two way connections. The reason I > brought up my point is that you did not make them two way connections in > your proposal. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 18 14:33:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 22:33:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 14276 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 22:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 22:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 23:08:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0IMtLB29404 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:55:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:55:21 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: I move to Psychiatric Ward. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 18 14:37:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 22:37:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 29466 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 22:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 22:11:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 22:11:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0IMx7e29411 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:59:28 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:59:07 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Hospital Building Engineer reminder... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" It looks like the second paragraph of rule 31 has not taken effect yet. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 18 14:40:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 22:40:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 51098 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 22:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 22:06:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 23:07:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0IMsAC29399 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:54:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:54:09 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Hospital Rooms Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Add the following connections to Hospital Entrance: Lab, Trauma Center. Add the following connection to Pharmacy: Lab. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 18 15:04:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 23:04:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 28103 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 22:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 22:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 22:39:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0INRQY29487 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:27:33 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:27:26 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Room Rule (Room connections are symmetrical) In-Reply-To: <947p95+tdv@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > Jeff, > Got a great way to solve this discussion: > > PROPOSAL: Amemd the Room Rule with the following statement: > > If a player can go from Room A to Room B, e can also move from Room B > from Room A. No! No! No! I *purposefully* allowed one way connections to take place. There are lots of possibilities when one way connections are allowed. The extra work required to ensure two way connections are maintained when needed isn't too much of a hassle. From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 18 15:09:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 18 Jan 2001 23:09:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 29083 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 22:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 22:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2001 22:47:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.106] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jan 2001 22:47:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:47:17 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Since no one has requested surgery, I move to Psyche ward. Message-ID: <947rpl+eavj@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 18 16:18:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 00:18:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 58765 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2001 23:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2001 23:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 01:00:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0J0lpk29549 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:47:53 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:47:51 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Hospital Building Engineer: Office Hours Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Hello everyone. I have created the eGroups database holding the location of all DocNomic players. It can be found here: http://www.egroups.com/database/DocNomic?method=reportRows&tbl=6 All players are located in the Hospital Entrance, except for those that have moved elsewhere... I will now take my compensation of one yellow and one purple pill. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 18 16:56:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 00:56:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 88796 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 00:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 00:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 01:34:01 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008BC418@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:32:57 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA07116; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:32:55 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Hospital Building Engineer reminder... References: Date: 18 Jan 2001 19:32:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:59:07 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > It looks like the second paragraph of rule 31 has not taken > effect yet. OK... -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 18 17:14:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 01:14:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 43888 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 00:58:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 00:58:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 00:58:49 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008BC506@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:58:48 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA09962; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:58:48 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Doc's Office Hours Date: 18 Jan 2001 19:58:47 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Not much left of my OH duties... (1) Epidemiologist performance review: Database updates since last DOH. OK. (2) Blood Bank This is my fourth Office Hours, so Rule 26 kicks in. Anyone who has not donated blood yet loses 10 BPs. That'd be Britta, Mark (who is NOT playing, I'm sure, but that's OK, he'll be dead pretty soon), and Martin. Yes, I know Martin just got here recently, but Rule 26 makes no exceptions for new arrivals. And yes, I know Britta's in a coma, but see my next message. (3) Nasty Cough? Britta and Martin have 30% chance of progressing to Nasty Cough: 2 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.73822021484375 0.392059326171875 Neither gets Nasty Cough. -- - Rich Holmes Syracuse, NY From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 18 17:23:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 01:23:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 65278 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 01:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 01:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 01:08:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008BC576@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:08:36 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA11339; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:08:35 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Coma Date: 18 Jan 2001 20:08:35 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Hmm. I forgot Britta was in a Coma yesterday when I docked her 15 SPs for Agoraphobia. I remembered today for Office Hours, sort of. I said I was docking her 10 BPs for failure to donate blood, but I was going to arbitrarily forgive that... anyway, she didn't lose the 10 BPs, and I'm going to restore the 15 SPs. Rule 25 states > A player in a Coma cannot lose or gain any pills or body / soul / cash > points. Trouble is, Rule 6 states > When two or more rules conflict, precedence as specified explicitly > by the rules is applied first. Where there is no non-conflicting > explicit precedence, the rule with the lower number takes > precedence. Fortunately for Britta, the rules governing Blood Bank (26) and Agoraphobia (1000) have higher numbers than the Coma rule. And I don't see any rules below 25 that could cause a player, other than the Epidemiologist, to lose points or pills. So I think Britta's safe -- but Feyd may want to be careful of going into Coma! And obviously if a lower-numbered rule is amended to dock players for any sort of inaction, Coma will be no protection. That obviously wasn't the intent. Someone might want to look into plugging that loophole. -- - Rich Holmes Syracuse, NY From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 18 18:09:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 02:09:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 7498 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 01:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 01:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 02:56:56 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010119015907.BSUJ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:59:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010118195834.01333120@pop101.umail.com> X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com@pop101.umail.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:59:39 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Renumber Rule 25 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart I propose that rule number 25 be renumbered as rule number 9 (since 9 was repealed some time ago). From bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Fri Jan 19 00:08:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bkoch@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 08:08:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 29113 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 08:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 08:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.uni-X.net) (195.177.177.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 08:08:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (line192.surf2000.de [193.41.36.192]) by odin.uni-X.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0J887V16288 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:08:08 +0100 X-Ncc-RegID: de.uni-x Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=Wintermute) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14JAqy-0000AJ-00 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:55:32 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: I'm Comatose!!! X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.1 Date: 18 Jan 2001 09:55:28 CET Reply-To: Britta Koch Message-Id: From: Britta Koch Hi! In a message on the 12th of Jan., I declared that I was going comatose. The rule for Coma states that "While a Player is in Coma, any Proposals they make or Points of Orders they raise will be ignored. They cannot contract any diseases, and the diseases they may have had do not harm them while in a Coma. A player in a Coma cannot lose or gain any pills or body / soul / cash points." So, any soul points or whatever I lost since then should be given back to me! Also, "The list of Players in Coma is part of the game state." - but it isn't yet. Please, don't let me die while I can't do anything about it! I'll suffer enough when I wake up... Britta, who hasn't made this a Point of Order so it can't be ignored... -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign britta@linuxchix.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "My other car is a cdr." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 19 01:32:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 09:32:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 64540 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 09:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 09:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c9.egroups.com) (10.1.2.66) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 09:32:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.51] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2001 09:32:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:32:32 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Rule 21 Message-ID: <9491jg+7flf@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 330 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > Repeal "Proposal Framework". Rule 21 ("Proposal Framework") should have actually been repealed a while back, by the way:- http://www.egroups.com/message/DocNomic/541 Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I prefer me when you're drunk." From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 19 01:40:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 09:40:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 51102 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 09:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 09:40:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 10:41:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.34] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2001 09:40:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:40:03 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Let Me Whisper My Last Goodbyes Message-ID: <94921j+5u1v@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1057 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Let Me Whisper My Last Goodbyes { Hm, it seems a bit untidy to have Comas being a separately-recorded part of the Gamestate when they'd work so neatly as a Disease. And that precedence issue needs clarifying. } Repeal Rule 25 (Falling into a Coma). Add a new Disease to Rule 11:- Coma (Physical) If a Player is in a Coma, they may take no part in the game except to cure themselves of this Disease, and any game actions which would adjust their Body, Soul, Cash, Pills or Diseases (apart from curing their own Coma) have no effect on them. This paragraph takes precedence over all other Rules. Any Player may put themselves into a voluntary Coma at any time; Comas may not be contracted by any other means. Any Player who has been in a Coma for more than a week may cure themselves of it; Comas may not be cured by any other means. Britta shall contract the "Coma" Disease. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 19 01:51:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 09:51:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 68317 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 09:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 09:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 09:51:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.132] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2001 09:51:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:50:58 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Point of order: negative pills? Message-ID: <9492m2+559g@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <947770+hn1u@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 814 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > > the PDP shows that Feyd now has -1 red pills. Maybe the PDP needs > > tinkering with... in the meantime, Feyd needs to get a red pill > from > > somewhere, faster than immediately, to resolve things. > > Doc awarded me one for a proposal, but didn't up the PDP yet. That > should fix things. Strange, I thought I'd added some checks to stop people taking Pills they didn't have - I'll look into it when I've got a moment. Although it should be underlined that "The data presented by the PDP shall be considered to be a legal record of the relevant aspects of the Gamestate", so if the PDP says you don't have any Red Pills, you *don't have any Red Pills*, even if you're waiting for the Doc to give you some. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Your common sense tells you you can't do that." From m.couchman@bigwig.net Fri Jan 19 02:16:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 10:16:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 11032 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 10:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 10:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 10:16:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.10.97] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2001 10:16:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:16:45 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: proposal: amendment to hospital rooms, and diseases. Message-ID: <94946d+kc0s@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 780 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net Append the following to rule 25 (coma) or to the section in rule 1000 (diseases) relating to coma, if the outstanding proposal to move the coma text has been accepted: Any player in a coma is automatically moved to the Intensive Care Unit, as they may otherwise come to harm in the outside world. Add the following room to rule 32 (hospital rooms) Intensive Care Unit - two way connections with the hospital entrance, and trauma center Players in coma, or suffering a critical illness, are moved automatically into this room, and may not leave until they are cured. {I'm guessing that a 'trauma center' is what we call Accident and Emergency in the UK. If trauma room = ICU, then ignore second proposal, and replace 'ICU' in first proposal with 'trauma centre'!} From jjweston@pop.net Fri Jan 19 06:44:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 14:44:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 82963 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 14:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 14:43:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 15:44:26 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id HAA51913; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:43:20 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:43:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200101191443.HAA51913@www.irony.com> To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Surgeon OH: Select Player for 20% chance of disease. Cc: jisummers@dttus.com X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Surgeon OH: Select Player for 20% chance of disease. DocNomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of a 7-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 3. Mail was sent to you at DocNomic@egroups.com and to jisummers@dttus.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOmhShLyfeleUG9SNAQEd7QH/fLLglsAGenSQhFOFBM9eWntrHaR7Jmg6 gYTF0J/bjrssbQZY+Ofnav9UNR3ODCh7587cS5aD6afzheZF3Mm/Kg== =LIUV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 19 06:47:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 14:47:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 92329 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 14:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 14:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mw.egroups.com) (10.1.2.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 14:46:35 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.134] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2001 14:46:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:46:33 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Surgeon: Office Hours. Message-ID: <949k09+7ucf@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 566 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com Surgeon Office: >Perform all cures for Injuries requested by players since the last >Office Hours. None Requested >Pay eirself wages of 1 Red pill, 1 Blue pill, and 100 Cash. PDP Updated. Select one player at random, and one disease of type Physical or Injury at random. The selected player has a 20% chance of acquiring the Injury. Player OTTIS is selected. Disease: Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) [see follow POO] 20% chance of contracting... Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 77. OTTIS does NOT contract Glam Rock Shoulder. END OFFICE HOURS From jjweston@pop.net Fri Jan 19 06:55:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dice@www.irony.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 14:55:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 10695 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 14:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 14:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.irony.com) (161.58.253.183) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 15:54:21 -0000 Received: (taychert@localhost) by www.irony.com (8.8.8) id HAA52630; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:53:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:53:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200101191453.HAA52630@www.irony.com> To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Epidemiologist Hours: 2 dice (From -> To Airborne), #3: Random Disease. Cc: jisummers@dttus.com X-eGroups-From: dice@www.irony.com From: jjweston@pop.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Epidemiologist Hours: 2 dice (From -> To Airborne), #3: Random Disease. DocNomic@egroups.com requested that 1 roll of 3 7-sided dice be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 3, 4, 1 = 8. Mail was sent to you at DocNomic@egroups.com and to jisummers@dttus.com. (Mail addresses have not been confirmed.) --- Irony Games' public PGP key is available at http://www.irony.com/verifyroll.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQBVAwUBOmhU2LyfeleUG9SNAQGR4gH+Jz6JZfJ8GYqfc8k6diPsWjl+DyG1dXpi WT5KBCkL8TrPe6vEnrwlQIzRXorIPAjJHtgNiODV5xojc0smrgos4A== =wz1b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 19 07:04:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 15:04:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 41499 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 15:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 15:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 15:03:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.120] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2001 15:03:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:03:27 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Epidemiologist Office Hours Message-ID: <949kvv+vhcf@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 485 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com Roll 1: 3, 4, 1 = 8. Mark and Ottis have a 25% chance of catching a communicable disease. Let's see if they catch one first: Roll 1: 44, 45 = 89. Neither person catches a communicable diesase. Kevan will catch a non-airborne disease. There are 8 such diseases: You requested that 1 roll of a 8-sided die be rolled. Roll them bones ... your dice are Roll 1: 4. Kevan Contracts: Agoraphobia (Psychosis) Wages of 1 yellow and 1 Red paid. Feyd Anyone gotta spare pill? From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 19 09:01:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 17:01:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 13454 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 16:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 16:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 17:55:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.211] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2001 16:54:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:54:29 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Movement: Psychiatric Ward Message-ID: <949rg5+emqu@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 363 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com I move to the Psychiatric Ward and survey my impressive remote- controlled Electroshock Therapy machine. Incidentally, are we allowed to move between rooms which are connected by a string of connections (that string in itself being a "connection"), or must we tread one room at a time? Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "I'm all at C, going from A to B." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 19 09:14:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 17:14:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 44560 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 17:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 17:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 17:08:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C0B5F@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:08:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA10070; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:08:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Surgeon: Office Hours. References: <949k09+7ucf@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Jan 2001 12:08:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:46:33 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > Disease: Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) [see follow POO] Let me guess.... You're gonna complain I didn't deduct points for GRS, right? Right. Mark has GRS so should have lost 4 BP during DOH. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 19 09:40:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 17:40:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 16741 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 17:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 17:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 18:36:50 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C127F@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:35:45 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA23591; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:35:44 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Movement: Psychiatric Ward References: <949rg5+emqu@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Jan 2001 12:35:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:54:29 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > I move to the Psychiatric Ward and survey my impressive remote- > controlled Electroshock Therapy machine. > > Incidentally, are we allowed to move between rooms which are > connected by a string of connections (that string in itself being a > "connection"), or must we tread one room at a time? As I read it, you can only move from a room to a room connected to that room, and connectivity is as specified in the rule: If A connects to B and B connects to C, it does not necessarily follow that A connects to C. Otherwise, there'd be little point to specifying these connections, since it would most often be the case that (almost) anywhere connects to (almost) anywhere. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 19 09:51:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 17:51:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 52713 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 17:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 17:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 17:46:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C1384@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:46:35 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA25803; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:46:34 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Proposals, repeal Proposal Framework - second try References: Date: 19 Jan 2001 12:46:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:50:25 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 54 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > ----- start proposal text ----- > > Amend "Proposals" to read in full: > > Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. > A Proposal thus submitted becomes Pending. A Proposal consists of one or > more new proposed Rules, and/or one or more amendments to existing Rules, > and/or one or more proposed repeals of existing Rules. > > Only one proposal is allowed per email message. If more than one proposal > is included in an email message, all proposals in that message will be > ignored. Each proposal must have in its Subject line the text: "Proposal: " > followed by a label describing the intent of the proposal or it shall be > ignored. Every pending proposal must have a unique label. If more than one > pending proposal has the same label, every proposal with that same label > will be ignored, except for the first one. > > Doc will judge all Pending Proposals, in the order in which they were > proposed, and accept, reject or ignore them. To ignore a Proposal, the > condition by which it is ignored must be explicit somewhere in the > ruleset. Once a Proposal has been judged, it ceases to be Pending. > > Doc may rewrite a Pending Proposal to clarify its meaning, correct errors, > or for any other reason, as long as the rewriting does not alter the > meaning. > > Doc may, at any time, modify or remove any existing Rule or enact new > Rules, or modify the Gamestate, by the publication of a Proclamation. In > addition, Doc may, at any time, publish a Directive calling for Proposals > in a certain area. > > Repeal "Proposal Framework". APPROVED. 1 green. Phobia check: This repeals a rule. Jeff has Cphobia and loses 5 SPs. Kevan, Britta, and Mark have Aphobia and gain 5 SPs (except Britta, who is comatose). Feyd proposed "Proposal Framework" and so has 50% chance of contracting Cphobia: 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.23858642578125 He does. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 19 09:52:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 17:52:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 72420 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 17:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 17:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 18:48:50 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C13A1@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:47:42 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA26088; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:47:41 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: PDP requests Date: 19 Jan 2001 12:47:41 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu (1) Any chance of cookies soon? (2) (especially if not) At present if you mistype your password your request is silently ignored. At least for me it is. Could an alert be raised? -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 19 10:12:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 18:12:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 33405 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 18:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 18:07:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 18:07:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0JIt0V30138 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:55:01 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:55:00 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Movement: Psychiatric Ward In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On 19 Jan 2001 rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > > > I move to the Psychiatric Ward and survey my impressive remote- > > controlled Electroshock Therapy machine. > > > > Incidentally, are we allowed to move between rooms which are > > connected by a string of connections (that string in itself being a > > "connection"), or must we tread one room at a time? > > As I read it, you can only move from a room to a room connected to > that room, and connectivity is as specified in the rule: If A connects > to B and B connects to C, it does not necessarily follow that A > connects to C. That is the way I intended it. I hope my rule made it clear enough... From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 19 10:25:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 18:25:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 37024 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 18:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:28 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C13D4@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:50:56 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA26644; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:50:54 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Renumber Rule 25 References: <4.1.20010118195834.01333120@pop101.umail.com> Date: 19 Jan 2001 12:50:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:59:39 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > I propose that rule number 25 be renumbered as rule number 9 (since 9 was > repealed some time ago). REJECTED since Kevan has proposed a more elegant solution. Ottis has FoR. (Oh, by the way, Jeff loses 5 SPs for his Proposals proposal, submitted under FoR.) -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 19 10:25:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 18:25:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 47821 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 18:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:27 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C13BA@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:49:31 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA26340; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:49:25 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Hospital Rooms References: Date: 19 Jan 2001 12:49:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:54:09 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Add the following connections to Hospital Entrance: Lab, Trauma > Center. > > Add the following connection to Pharmacy: Lab. ACCEPTED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 19 10:25:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 18:25:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 47765 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 18:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:26 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C13AE@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:48:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA26171; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:48:36 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend Room Rule (Room connections are symmetrical) References: <947p95+tdv@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Jan 2001 12:48:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:04:21 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > Jeff, > Got a great way to solve this discussion: > > PROPOSAL: Amemd the Room Rule with the following statement: > > If a player can go from Room A to Room B, e can also move from Room B > from Room A. REJECTED. It's more interesting as it is. Feyd has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 19 10:25:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 18:25:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 37184 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 18:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:31 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C1558@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:08:09 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA00196; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:08:08 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Let Me Whisper My Last Goodbyes References: <94921j+5u1v@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Jan 2001 13:08:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:40:03 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Phobia check: This repeals a rule. Jeff and Feyd have Cphobia and lose 5 SPs. Kevan, Britta, and Mark have Aphobia and gain 5 SPs (except Britta, who is comatose). Britta proposed "Coma" but is comatose and cannot contract Cphobia. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 19 10:25:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 18:25:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 37306 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 18:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:33 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C1646@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:13:25 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA00785; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:13:24 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] proposal: amendment to hospital rooms, and diseases. References: <94946d+kc0s@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Jan 2001 13:13:23 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Oh, and -5 SP for proposing under FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 19 10:25:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 18:25:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 37099 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 18:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C142E@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:53:49 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA27350; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:53:48 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Let Me Whisper My Last Goodbyes References: <94921j+5u1v@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Jan 2001 12:53:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:40:03 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 39 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - Let Me Whisper My Last Goodbyes > > { Hm, it seems a bit untidy to have Comas being a separately-recorded > part of the Gamestate when they'd work so neatly as a Disease. And > that precedence issue needs clarifying. } > > Repeal Rule 25 (Falling into a Coma). > > Add a new Disease to Rule 11:- > > Coma (Physical) > If a Player is in a Coma, they may take no part in the game except > to cure themselves of this Disease, and any game actions which > would adjust their Body, Soul, Cash, Pills or Diseases (apart > from curing their own Coma) have no effect on them. This paragraph > takes precedence over all other Rules. > > Any Player may put themselves into a voluntary Coma at any time; > Comas may not be contracted by any other means. Any Player who > has been in a Coma for more than a week may cure themselves of > it; Comas may not be cured by any other means. > > Britta shall contract the "Coma" Disease. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ACCEPTED. 1 green. Anal-retentive detail: You can't propose a change to the gamestate, as in the last line there. You can, however, propose a rule-change that changes the gamestate and then repeals itself... which amounts to the same thing, and I'll regard it as such. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 19 10:27:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 18:27:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 26111 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 18:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 18:19:30 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C1496@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:57:12 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA28220; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:57:11 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] proposal: amendment to hospital rooms, and diseases. References: <94946d+kc0s@eGroups.com> Date: 19 Jan 2001 12:57:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:16:45 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > Append the following to rule 25 (coma) or to the section in rule 1000 > (diseases) relating to coma, if the outstanding proposal to move the > coma text has been accepted: > > Any player in a coma is automatically moved to the Intensive Care > Unit, as they may otherwise come to harm in the outside world. > > > Add the following room to rule 32 (hospital rooms) > > Intensive Care Unit - two way connections with the hospital entrance, > and trauma center > Players in coma, or suffering a critical illness, are moved > automatically into this room, and may not leave until they are cured. APPROVED. 1 green (and thanks for getting that comatose patient out of the Hospital Entrance...) Strictly, the connections to the ICU have to be specified by amending the connection descriptions of the other rooms; I'll take the liberty of enacting it that way. > {I'm guessing that a 'trauma center' is what we call Accident and > Emergency in the UK. If trauma room = ICU, then ignore second > proposal, and replace 'ICU' in first proposal with 'trauma centre'!} I think ICU and Trauma Center are two different concepts. But what do I know? (My doctorate's in physics...) -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Fri Jan 19 11:09:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 19:09:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 55989 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 18:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 18:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 19:59:00 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010119190110.CXLG382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:01:10 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010119125933.012a7e88@pop101.umail.com> X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com@pop101.umail.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:01:23 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Renumber Rule 25 In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20010118195834.01333120@pop101.umail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart It would have been REALLY nice to have accepted the proposed rule that proposals are judged in the order they are received. At 12:50 PM 1/19/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Ottis Airhart writes: > >> I propose that rule number 25 be renumbered as rule number 9 (since 9 was >> repealed some time ago). > >REJECTED since Kevan has proposed a more elegant solution. > >Ottis has FoR. (Oh, by the way, Jeff loses 5 SPs for his Proposals >proposal, submitted under FoR.) > >-- >- Doc > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 19 11:48:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 19 Jan 2001 19:48:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 33055 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2001 19:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2001 19:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Jan 2001 20:39:12 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C210E@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:38:07 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA15498; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:38:06 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Renumber Rule 25 References: <4.1.20010118195834.01333120@pop101.umail.com> <4.1.20010119125933.012a7e88@pop101.umail.com> Date: 19 Jan 2001 14:38:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ottis Airhart's message of "Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:01:23 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Ottis Airhart writes: > It would have been REALLY nice to have accepted the proposed rule that > proposals are judged in the order they are received. I did. It's in the Proposals rule, both before and after its recent amendment. However, judging a Proposal on the basis of comparison to later (pending) Proposals is different from judging Proposals out of order. Or are you, perhaps, complaining about the order in which today's judgements arrived? Note that eGroups apparently had a problem during which several messages were held up, and they may have been received in a different order than they were sent. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 19 22:41:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 20 Jan 2001 06:41:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 30041 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2001 06:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2001 06:41:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Jan 2001 07:42:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0K7TXV30507 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:29:40 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:29:33 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] proposal: amendment to hospital rooms, and diseases. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On 19 Jan 2001 rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > Oh, and -5 SP for proposing under FoR. Actually... My second try of amending "Proposals" was accepted, so I shouldn't of had FoR when you judged that proposal. The soul points are deducted when you judge a proposal, not when the proposal was made, according to rule 1000. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Jan 20 06:45:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 20 Jan 2001 14:45:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 11371 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2001 14:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2001 14:45:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Jan 2001 15:46:27 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C6149@mailer.syr.edu>; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 9:45:22 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA10844; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:45:21 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] proposal: amendment to hospital rooms, and diseases. References: Date: 20 Jan 2001 09:45:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:29:33 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > On 19 Jan 2001 rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > > > Oh, and -5 SP for proposing under FoR. > > Actually... My second try of amending "Proposals" was accepted, so I > shouldn't of had FoR when you judged that proposal. The soul points are > deducted when you judge a proposal, not when the proposal was made, > according to rule 1000. That was directed at Martin, not you. Though I mistakenly deducted the 5 SPs from Mark instead of Martin. Now fixed. -- - Rich Holmes Syracuse, NY From kevan@somethingorother.com Sat Jan 20 09:23:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 20 Jan 2001 17:23:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 94667 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2001 17:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2001 17:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Jan 2001 17:23:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.101] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2001 17:23:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:23:42 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: PDP requests Message-ID: <94chiu+ktg9@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1163 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.64.191.187 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > (1) Any chance of cookies soon? Mm, maybe next week. The offline perl compiler I've got here at the moment is a painfully cut-down one that doesn't lend itself well to such things, irksomely. Must get my hands on something more useful. > (2) (especially if not) At present if you mistype your password your > request is silently ignored. At least for me it is. Could an > alert be raised? Hm, doesn't it do that already? Odd. [tweaks a bit] There, it should be okay now. Must have been checking the wrong variable. I've also altered it so that it defaults to the previously-entered password, if you've just done something, in absence of cookiedom. It'll do for now. Note also a new dice-rolling thing (just enter the numbers of sides for the dice you want to roll) and a fixed inability to take or discard more Pills than you've actually got. Since the script works things out from the Change Log, it's retroactively stopped Feyd taking Pills he didn't have, so he may currently have more or less Pills than he should. I'll leave Feyd or Doc to clarify that. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Leave me alone, I was only singing." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Jan 20 09:40:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 20 Jan 2001 17:40:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 19479 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2001 17:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2001 17:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Jan 2001 18:41:04 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C68AD@mailer.syr.edu>; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:39:59 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA24470; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:39:58 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: PDP requests References: <94chiu+ktg9@eGroups.com> Date: 20 Jan 2001 12:39:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:23:42 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > > (2) (especially if not) At present if you mistype your password your > > request is silently ignored. At least for me it is. Could an > > alert be raised? > > Hm, doesn't it do that already? Odd. [tweaks a bit] There, it should > be okay now. 'Fraid not. It still just reloads the page. > Must have been checking the wrong variable. I've also > altered it so that it defaults to the previously-entered password, if > you've just done something, in absence of cookiedom. It'll do for now. Any chance of doing that with the other fields and dropdown menus, too? That's really more what I had in mind, actually, than storing one's identity... so I can e.g. make 3 changes to "Jeff" without having to select "Jeff" every time, etc. -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Sat Jan 20 10:11:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 20 Jan 2001 18:11:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 12382 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2001 18:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2001 18:11:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hh.egroups.com) (10.1.10.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Jan 2001 18:11:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.211] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2001 18:11:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 18:11:05 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: PDP requests Message-ID: <94ckbp+g0kh@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 718 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.64.161.22 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > 'Fraid not. It still just reloads the page. Hm, with "Invalid password for 'Doctroid' : Gamestate not updated" at the top, at least when I try it. Maybe something more dramatic is in order. > Any chance of doing that with the other fields and dropdown menus, > too? That's really more what I had in mind, actually, than storing > one's identity... so I can e.g. make 3 changes to "Jeff" without > having to select "Jeff" every time, etc. Mm, good idea. Alternatively an optional text box that lets you enter a load of "commands" and submit them all at once, which would be handy for heavy multiple updates. I'll give it thought. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "And the Lord set his dog unto them." From kevan@somethingorother.com Sat Jan 20 10:53:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 20 Jan 2001 18:53:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 95190 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2001 18:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2001 18:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Jan 2001 18:53:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.101] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2001 18:52:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 18:52:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Movement : The Padded Room Message-ID: <94cmq5+bemc@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 103 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.64.191.187 From: kevan@somethingorother.com I wander into the Padded Room. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Who's afraid of Virginia Wade?" From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Jan 20 11:53:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 20 Jan 2001 19:53:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 19577 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2001 19:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2001 19:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Jan 2001 19:53:13 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008C6EBF@mailer.syr.edu>; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:53:13 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA09574; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:53:12 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: PDP requests References: <94ckbp+g0kh@eGroups.com> Date: 20 Jan 2001 14:53:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Sat, 20 Jan 2001 18:11:05 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > > 'Fraid not. It still just reloads the page. > > Hm, with "Invalid password for 'Doctroid' : Gamestate not updated" at > the top, at least when I try it. Maybe something more dramatic is in > order. Oh, now I see it. Yes. A separate alert with an "OK" button would be my preference. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sat Jan 20 15:16:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 20 Jan 2001 23:16:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 28562 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2001 23:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Jan 2001 23:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Jan 2001 23:16:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0L04Ub31005 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:04:31 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:04:30 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Surgeon: Office Hours. In-Reply-To: <949k09+7ucf@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Poor addict... You did not ask for a pill in your message. I'll do my good deed and point it out for you. You lose 1 soul point. I gain 1 soul point. PDP updated. On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > Surgeon Office: > > >Perform all cures for Injuries requested by players since the last > >Office Hours. > None Requested > > >Pay eirself wages of 1 Red pill, 1 Blue pill, and 100 Cash. > PDP Updated. > > Select one player at random, and one disease of type Physical or > Injury at random. The selected player has a 20% chance of acquiring > the Injury. > > Player OTTIS is selected. > Disease: Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) [see follow POO] > 20% chance of contracting... > Roll them bones ... your dice are > Roll 1: 77. > OTTIS does NOT contract Glam Rock Shoulder. > > END OFFICE HOURS From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sat Jan 20 15:26:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 20 Jan 2001 23:26:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 89650 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2001 23:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2001 23:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Jan 2001 23:26:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0L0Eeq31015 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:14:41 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:14:40 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amendment to Diseases. Adjust addiction. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" ----- Start Proposal Text ----- Amend "Diseases" by striking the following from the addiction disease: "The first player per message thus helping the Addict fight his addiction is doing a good deed, and thus gains a soul point. Subsequent players are just nagging and get nothing." Replace those sentences with: "The first player per message is a ripe bastard and is only trying to keep the addict addicted to pills. They lose a soul point for doing such a bad deed. However, the Pharmacy likes to keep the addict addicted to their pills, and so will give that player one pill of a color the player choses. Subsequent players are just nagging and only lose the soul point." ----- End Proposal Text ----- I read through the addict disease... I just can't see how pointing out that the addict didn't ask for a pill is a good deed. I do however like having the pharmacy award those who try to keep the addict addicted... But, doing so tends to harm the soul... Hence the loss in soul points. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sat Jan 20 15:28:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 20 Jan 2001 23:28:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 97707 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2001 23:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2001 23:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Jan 2001 00:29:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0L0G3731031 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:16:03 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:16:03 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: I move to Hospital Entrance. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sat Jan 20 18:23:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 21 Jan 2001 02:23:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 62596 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2001 02:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2001 02:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Jan 2001 02:23:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0L3BHg31097 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:11:19 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:11:17 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Better handling of delayed/canceled Office Hours Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Amend "Office Hours" by striking the last two sentences and replacing them with the following: Each office holder may, by announcement to the mailing list, delay their office hours for up to six days, or cancel them completely if they are too busy. With the exception of Doc, if any Office Holder misses their Office Hours without sending a cancellation notice, or cancels their Office Hours for three weeks in a row, that office holder must be replaced immediately by a player of Doc's choosing. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sat Jan 20 18:33:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 21 Jan 2001 02:33:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 79025 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2001 02:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2001 02:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Jan 2001 03:35:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0L3Ll231107 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:21:47 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:21:47 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Clean up Nurse description Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" ----- Start Proposal ----- Amend "Nurse" to read in full: A player shall hold the office of Nurse. The identity of the Nurse shall be part of the gamestate. The Nurse assists the Doc in running the hospital. As compensation for such duties, the Nurse receives three green pills, two soul points, and five body points during their office hours. ----- End Proposal ----- Not much to say about this proposal. I just didn't like the phrasing, "Raid the Pharmacy..." Also, I got rid of the bit about voluntarily leaving the office. I'm going to make a more general proposal so that any office holder can leave their office if they need to. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sat Jan 20 18:37:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 21 Jan 2001 02:37:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 88450 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2001 02:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2001 02:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Jan 2001 02:37:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0L3P9Y31115 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:25:11 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:25:09 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Office Holder Turnover Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Create a new rule entitled "Office Holder Turnover" with the following text: At any time, any office holder may choose to vacate their office by sending their resignation to the mailing list. That office must immediately be filled by a player of Doc's choosing. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sat Jan 20 19:14:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 21 Jan 2001 03:14:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 26078 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2001 03:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2001 03:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Jan 2001 03:14:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0L41qV31133 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:01:54 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:01:52 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Officer Elections Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Create a new rule entitled "Officer Elections" with the following text: If at any time an office is vacant, with no one specified to fill it, Doc must take on the duties of that office until an election can be held to see who will hold that office. If at any time the rules require Doc to fill an office with a player of their choosing, Doc may instead choose to hold an election to fill that office. Doc must continue to take on the duties of the office while the election is in progress. Doc holds an election by announing it to the mailing list, along with what office the election is for, and how long nominations for filling that office will be accepted. Players may nominate themselves, and only themselves, by announcing it to the mailing list. If no players nominate themselves, the office remains vacant and Doc must continue taking on the duties of that office, until another election is held. Doc is encouraged to increase the compensation of that office with a proclamation to help find a willing player. If only one player nominated themself, they immediately fill the office. If more than one player nominated themselves, all player vote on who they want to hold the office by sending their vote to the mailing list. Doc announces how long votes will be accepted. When voting is concluded, the player with the most votes immediately fills the office. In the event of a tie, Doc must apoint one player from amongst those receiving the highest number of votes. From Nomic1@aol.com Sun Jan 21 19:19:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 22 Jan 2001 03:19:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 76157 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 03:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Jan 2001 03:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cj.egroups.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 04:20:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.59] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2001 03:19:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:19:53 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: HEY, get those office hours in, NURSE, PSHCYE Message-ID: <94g8sp+nu57@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 159 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.4.252.249 From: Nomic1@aol.com OB: can I have a pill. Guys, you are lagging on Office Hours. I'm tired of being the Addict. Let someone else get nagged all the time!!!! please! Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Jan 22 07:31:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 22 Jan 2001 15:31:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 63473 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 15:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2001 15:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 16:25:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.109] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2001 15:24:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:24:08 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Psychiatric Office Hours Message-ID: <94hjao+hike@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 263 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com Feyd pays 100 Cash for ten Soul Points, Jeff pays 50 Cash for five (but only gets four, since Therapy can't take someone above 100 Soul). Kevan gains 15 Cash from the Hospital. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "It just wasn't like the old days any more." From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Jan 22 07:37:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 22 Jan 2001 15:37:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 76971 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 15:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2001 15:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c9.egroups.com) (10.1.2.66) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 15:32:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.124] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2001 15:32:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:30:48 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal : Psychiatric Persecution Message-ID: <94hjn8+t5q1@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 614 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To the Rule "Psychiatrist", add the paragraph:- For any given instance of Feyd mis-spelling "Psychiatry", "Psychiatrist", "Psychiatric", "Psychosis", "Psycho" or "Psyche", the Psychiatrist may pay 5 Soul Points to give Feyd a Psychosis. { It irks me that Feyd can't be bothered to spell these words correctly - or maintains an opaque irony in refusing to spell them correctly - after installing a punishment for those who spell his *own* position wrongly. } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 22 09:24:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 22 Jan 2001 17:24:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 366 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 17:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2001 17:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 17:14:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0MI0DT03805 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:01:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:00:13 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal : Psychiatric Persecution In-Reply-To: <94hjn8+t5q1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 kevan@somethingorother.com wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To the Rule "Psychiatrist", add the paragraph:- > > For any given instance of Feyd mis-spelling "Psychiatry", > "Psychiatrist", "Psychiatric", "Psychosis", "Psycho" or "Psyche", the > Psychiatrist may pay 5 Soul Points to give Feyd a Psychosis. > > { It irks me that Feyd can't be bothered to spell these words > correctly - or maintains an opaque irony in refusing to spell > them correctly - after installing a punishment for those who > spell his *own* position wrongly. } > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hehehehe. :-> From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 22 11:58:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 22 Jan 2001 19:57:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 62794 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 19:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2001 19:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 20:43:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.116] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2001 19:42:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:42:38 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal : Psychiatric Persecution Message-ID: <94i2fe+dueu@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1186 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 kevan@s... wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > > > > To the Rule "Psychiatrist", add the paragraph:- > > > > For any given instance of Feyd mis-spelling "Psychiatry", > > "Psychiatrist", "Psychiatric", "Psychosis", "Psycho" or "Psyche", the > > Psychiatrist may pay 5 Soul Points to give Feyd a Psychosis. > > > > { It irks me that Feyd can't be bothered to spell these words > > correctly - or maintains an opaque irony in refusing to spell > > them correctly - after installing a punishment for those who > > spell his *own* position wrongly. } ROTFL. It's irony. I would think a Psichiatrist would know that. Fortunately, I can safely abbreviate you to "Shrink", and the position to "Shrinky-dinkism" and will do so in the future so as not to offend your [somewhat tender] sensibilities. I would also offer that you address this rule to the Epidemiologist rather than myself, since it is the burdon of this job that causes such spelling errors. and thanks for making me smile today. and may I have a pill? Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 22 13:27:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 22 Jan 2001 21:27:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 58479 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 21:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2001 21:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 21:04:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.102] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2001 21:04:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:02:24 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd takes 1Purple for FoR Message-ID: <94i750+gij1@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 24 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com Anyone got a pill? Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 22 13:47:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 22 Jan 2001 21:47:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 47604 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 21:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2001 21:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 22:25:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.28] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2001 21:24:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:24:06 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposals: "Don't Pick oh the po' boy no mo'", Amend rule 1000 (new diseases) Message-ID: <94i8dm+h3bc@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1675 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com Implement a new rule: "Don't Pick oh the po' bo' no mo'" Any player making a proposal aimed specifically at Feyd, or mentioning Feyd in any way, must, at Feyd's discretion, pay Feyd 15 cash, lost 15 soul, and take 3 green pills. Furthermore, e contracts a new disease, "Guilt" -------------------------------- Amend rule 1000 with a new disease: Guilt (Phychosis): A person experiences guilt because they have done something terrible and feel bad about it. Guilt can be cured by a visit to the Psychiatrist for counseling and taking 1 yellow and 1 blue pill. A person suffering from Guilt must donate 1/2 of all their wages to another player (if possible the one e feels the guilt over). ------------------------------------------ Amend rule 1000 with a new disease: Broken Leg (Injury): A person with a broken leg must have it repaired by the Surgeon (except for the surgeon, who my request that the nurse repair the injury). A person with a broken leg must pay 50 cash to move from one room to another. The surgeon may repair the Broken leg during eir Office Hours for 200 Cash. A person suffering from a Broken Leg looses 5 body at the beginning of the Surgeon's Office Hours. A player may give another player a broken leg by paying 5 soul and 5 body and exclaiming to the list, "I rough up." On a d100 roll (in the PDP) 1-25 :: gets a broken leg. 26-40:: both attacking player and get a broken leg 41-50:: Attacking player gets a broken leg 51-99:: Nothing. 00:: A random player gets a broken leg. A player with a broken let may not attempt to rough up another player. Feyd Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 22 13:57:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 22 Jan 2001 21:57:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 49069 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 21:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2001 21:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 21:34:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.23] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2001 21:34:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:34:13 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Epidemiologist Office Hours. Error. Request PoO Message-ID: <94i90l+cq9i@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 696 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com Doc, I was rereading rule 1000 and discovered to my horror that for the last 2 office hours I have been doing Airborne Diseases incorrectly. Instead of: "During the Office Hours, for each Airborne Disease, the Epidemiologist will select two players at random. There is a 25% chance each player will contract the Airborne Disease. " I have been selecting a random disease and two players randomly. That puts us 3 diseases short (currently). Please assign punishment and remedy as you see fit (blush). I can either have an emergency "fixit" OH in which I only compute airborns, or we can fix it with the next office hours. Feyd Mmuuust havee pill. Thaat's the reeeassson I fffergot. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 22 14:50:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 22 Jan 2001 22:50:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 36600 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 22:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2001 22:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 22:26:04 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008D2A4C@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:26:04 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA11968; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:25:57 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Epidemiologist Office Hours. Error. Request PoO References: <94i90l+cq9i@eGroups.com> Date: 22 Jan 2001 17:25:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:34:13 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu I say forget it, just do it as specified next time... -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 22 23:12:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 23 Jan 2001 07:12:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 41610 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 07:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2001 07:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 08:13:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0N7xic04331 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:59:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:59:44 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Hospital Building Engineer's Report 1/22/2001 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Kevan has spent two nights in the Padded Room with agoraphobia. He gains 10 soul points. PDP updated. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 22 23:14:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 23 Jan 2001 07:14:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 13831 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 07:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2001 07:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 08:15:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0N81GM04343 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:01:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:01:16 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: I move to Outside World Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Ah! The fresh air! The breeze! Free at last from the confines of the hospital! Wheee!!! ;-) From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 22 23:19:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 23 Jan 2001 07:19:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 54556 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 07:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2001 07:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 07:19:56 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0N87C204352 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:07:13 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:07:12 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Hospital Building Engineer's Report 1/22/2001 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > Kevan has spent two nights in the Padded Room with agoraphobia. He > gains 10 soul points. PDP updated. Whoops! I see Kevan already made this update. My mistake. PDP un-updated. From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Jan 23 03:29:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 23 Jan 2001 11:29:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 35839 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 11:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2001 11:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mv.egroups.com) (10.1.1.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 11:29:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.95] by mv.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2001 11:29:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:29:21 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Psychiatry Today Message-ID: <94jpuh+dfgu@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1600 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Psychiatry Today Repeal Rule 22 (Therapy Session). -- Reword Rule 20 (Psychiatrist) to:- The Psychiatrist deals with the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of mental and emotional disorders, and is able, through counselling, to treat the Psychoses of other Players. At any given time, one Player may be a Psychiatrist (their identity is part of the gamestate), and the Psychiatrist performs his or her work in the Psychiatric Ward. If a Player is in the Psychiatric Ward and the Psychiatrist is also there, he or she may have the following procedures performed at the following costs (half of the cost goes to the Hospital, half is given to the Psychiatrist):- * General Therapy - 50 Cash The patient gains 5 Soul Points, unless this would take them above 100 Soul Points. * Specific Counselling - 100 Cash The patient is cured of a Psychosis of their choice. However, this process is not always permanently successful - within 24 hours of such a counselling, the Psychiatrist may declare that the Psychosis has resurfaced, and give the patient a full refund out of his own pocket. (The patient may not be counselled again for that Psychosis until a week has passed.) * Electroshock Therapy - Free! The patient loses 10 Body, 10 Soul and all of his or her Psychoses. He or she then gains a Psychosis selected at random. If the Psychiatrist's Soul Points drop below thirty, Doc may reassign the role elsewhere. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Jan 23 03:30:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 23 Jan 2001 11:30:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 81863 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 11:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2001 11:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 11:30:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.95] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2001 11:30:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:30:29 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: PA System Message-ID: <94jq0l+c9gt@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 640 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - PA System Add a new Rule, "PA System":- Doc may, at any time, use the PA System to call a member of Staff to any room inside the hospital, by posting such a message to the mailing list. Upon doing so, that Staff member is moved directly to that room, unless they would be unable to reach that room through normal means. { Useful now that Staff have to be in certain places for certain things, and nice for atmosphere; "*bing-bong* Nurse Airhart to the Trauma Center, please." } ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevan@somethingorother.com Tue Jan 23 03:31:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 23 Jan 2001 11:31:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 39201 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 11:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2001 11:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 11:31:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.95] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2001 11:31:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:31:14 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: For Your Own Safety Message-ID: <94jq22+8m9c@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 550 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - For Your Own Safety To the description of The Psychiatric Ward, add:- The door to the Padded Room has a lock on the outside, and keys are issued to the Nurse and the Psychiatrist. If the door is locked, Players may not enter or leave the Padded Room. Any Player present in the Psychiatric Ward may lock or unlock the door by declaring this to the mailing list, provided they have a key to it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Jan 23 05:54:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 23 Jan 2001 13:54:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 3677 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 13:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2001 13:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 14:55:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.103] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2001 13:54:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:54:37 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Psychiatry Today Message-ID: <94k2et+8me2@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <94jpuh+dfgu@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2004 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com Very nice. A couple thoughts: You might want to also combine all of the Psychiatrist's Office Hours duties here too. You might want to allow "General Therapy" to occur anywhere as long as the Psychiatrist and player are in the same room. Feyd gotta pill? --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, kevan@s... wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Proposal - Psychiatry Today > > Repeal Rule 22 (Therapy Session). > > -- > > Reword Rule 20 (Psychiatrist) to:- > > The Psychiatrist deals with the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention > of mental and emotional disorders, and is able, through counselling, > to treat the Psychoses of other Players. At any given time, one > Player may be a Psychiatrist (their identity is part of the > gamestate), and the Psychiatrist performs his or her work in the > Psychiatric Ward. > > If a Player is in the Psychiatric Ward and the Psychiatrist is also > there, he or she may have the following procedures performed at the > following costs (half of the cost goes to the Hospital, half is > given to the Psychiatrist):- > > * General Therapy - 50 Cash > > The patient gains 5 Soul Points, unless this would take them above > 100 Soul Points. > > * Specific Counselling - 100 Cash > > The patient is cured of a Psychosis of their choice. However, this > process is not always permanently successful - within 24 hours of > such a counselling, the Psychiatrist may declare that the Psychosis > has resurfaced, and give the patient a full refund out of his own > pocket. (The patient may not be counselled again for that Psychosis > until a week has passed.) > > * Electroshock Therapy - Free! > > The patient loses 10 Body, 10 Soul and all of his or her Psychoses. > He or she then gains a Psychosis selected at random. > > If the Psychiatrist's Soul Points drop below thirty, Doc may reassign > the role elsewhere. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Jan 23 07:58:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 23 Jan 2001 15:58:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 5492 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 15:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2001 15:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 15:51:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.27] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2001 15:51:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:51:11 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Kevan, updates to PDP Message-ID: <94k99f+jtm6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 453 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com Kevan, First off, you have done a great job with the PDP. But as with any project, if you are too effecient, you pay . Would it be possible to make multiple selections (i.e. take a green pill AND Cure FoR)? That would allow a lot of flexibility. it would also be great if, with the above, we could have two "pill lines", so that we could take a two-pill combination to cure a diesase... just a thought, Feyd gotta pill? Give it to me! From Nomic1@aol.com Tue Jan 23 08:00:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 23 Jan 2001 16:00:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 12974 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 15:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2001 15:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 16:54:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.27] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2001 15:53:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:52:59 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd moves to from Psychiatric ward to Hostipal Entrance Message-ID: <94k9cr+4sp6@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 60 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com I'm looking for dropped pills there.. are there any? Feyd From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Tue Jan 23 16:07:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 24 Jan 2001 00:07:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 97238 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 23:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2001 23:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Jan 2001 00:40:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0O0QZJ04965 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:26:37 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:26:35 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: I request a Blood (Blod?) Test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Tue Jan 23 16:08:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 24 Jan 2001 00:08:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 88065 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 23:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2001 23:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 23:32:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0O0JUo04959 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:19:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:19:30 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Hospital Building Engineer's Report: 1/23/01 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Kevan has spent one night in the Padded Room with Agoraphobia. He gains 5 SP. PDP already updated by Kevan. Jeff has spent one night in the Outside World with Claustrophobia. He gains 5 SP. PDP updated. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Tue Jan 23 16:40:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 24 Jan 2001 00:40:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 97406 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2001 00:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2001 00:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Jan 2001 01:16:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0O124B04987 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:02:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:02:04 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: Alternate method of getting "addicted". Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" ----- Start Proposal ----- Amend "Diseases" by striking the first paragraph of the addiction disease and replacing it with: The Nurse, during their Office Hours, shall choose the player who has consumed the most pills (regardles of color) since the Nurse's last Office Hours to be the "Addict" until the next Nurse's Office Hours. If there is a tie regarding which player has consumed the most pills, the Nurse randomly picks a player out of those who have consumed the most. ----- End Proposal ----- Ideally I'd like to see the PDP track how many pills each player had taken. Until such functionality exists, I guess the Nurse will have to go through the PDP logs finding out who has consumed the most pills... From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Jan 24 06:06:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 24 Jan 2001 14:06:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 39736 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2001 14:06:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Jan 2001 14:06:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Jan 2001 14:06:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.127] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2001 14:06:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:06:01 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Hospital Building Engineer's Report: 1/23/01 Message-ID: <94mng9+sia9@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 524 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com Jeff, If you have to do a report nightly for Agro and Claustro then you're going to get tired of it quickly. Are you sure you don't just want the players to update the PDP by themselves? Feyd pill please? (OTTIS, WHERE ARE YOU?) --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > Kevan has spent one night in the Padded Room with Agoraphobia. He > gains 5 SP. PDP already updated by Kevan. > > Jeff has spent one night in the Outside World with > Claustrophobia. He gains 5 SP. PDP updated. From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Jan 24 06:10:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 24 Jan 2001 14:10:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 40921 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2001 14:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Jan 2001 14:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Jan 2001 15:07:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.127] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2001 14:06:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:06:22 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd moves OUTSIDE Message-ID: <94mngu+ita1@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com From Nomic1@aol.com Wed Jan 24 06:59:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 24 Jan 2001 14:59:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 4929 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2001 14:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2001 14:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Jan 2001 15:56:05 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.125] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2001 14:54:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:54:52 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Feyd moves OUTSIDE Message-ID: <94mqbs+4qkj@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <94mngu+ita1@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 152 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, Nomic1@a... wrote: > I note that Feyd didn't ask for a pill. I gain one SP, Feyd looses 1 SP. May I have a pill? Feyd From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Wed Jan 24 09:01:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 24 Jan 2001 17:01:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 40336 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2001 16:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2001 16:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Jan 2001 17:48:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0OHXmp05472 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:34:25 -0800 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:33:48 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Hospital Building Engineer's Report: 1/23/01 In-Reply-To: <94mng9+sia9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > Jeff, > If you have to do a report nightly for Agro and Claustro then you're > going to get tired of it quickly. Are you sure you don't just want > the players to update the PDP by themselves? Right now I'm just doing it when I have time. Work is kinda slow right now, so I have lots of time. I encourage players to update the PDP by themselves. Less work for me... Updating the PDP is a real pain sometimes, but sending out the reports doesn't take too much effort. :) From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 25 06:02:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 14:02:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 4797 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 14:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 14:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 14:01:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.163] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2001 14:01:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:59:03 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Feyd spent last night outside with Claustrophobia..PDP updated Message-ID: <94pbf7+cikg@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 29 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com +5 soul. anyone have a pill? From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 07:58:15 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 15:58:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 69182 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 15:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 15:50:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 15:50:42 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E865F@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:50:40 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00753; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:50:30 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Better handling of delayed/canceled Office Hours References: Date: 25 Jan 2001 10:50:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:11:17 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Amend "Office Hours" by striking the last two sentences and > replacing them with the following: > > Each office holder may, by announcement to the mailing list, delay their > office hours for up to six days, or cancel them completely if they are too > busy. With the exception of Doc, if any Office Holder misses their Office > Hours without sending a cancellation notice, or cancels their Office Hours > for three weeks in a row, that office holder must be replaced immediately > by a player of Doc's choosing. APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 07:59:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 15:59:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 61005 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 15:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 15:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 16:51:09 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E864F@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:50:04 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00620; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:50:03 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amendment to Diseases. Adjust addiction. References: Date: 25 Jan 2001 10:50:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:14:40 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > ----- Start Proposal Text ----- > > Amend "Diseases" by striking the following from the addiction > disease: "The first player per message thus helping the Addict fight his > addiction is doing a good deed, and thus gains a soul point. Subsequent > players are just nagging and get nothing." Replace those sentences > with: "The first player per message is a ripe bastard and is only trying > to keep the addict addicted to pills. They lose a soul point for doing > such a bad deed. However, the Pharmacy likes to keep the addict addicted > to their pills, and so will give that player one pill of a color the > player choses. Subsequent players are just nagging and only lose the soul > point." > > ----- End Proposal Text ----- APPROVED. 1 green, 1 red. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 08:01:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 16:01:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 63527 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 15:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 15:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 16:52:03 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E8667@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:50:58 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00817; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:50:57 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Clean up Nurse description References: Date: 25 Jan 2001 10:50:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:21:47 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > ----- Start Proposal ----- > > Amend "Nurse" to read in full: > > A player shall hold the office of Nurse. The identity of the Nurse shall > be part of the gamestate. > > The Nurse assists the Doc in running the hospital. As > compensation for such duties, the Nurse receives three green pills, two > soul points, and five body points during their office hours. > > ----- End Proposal ----- APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 08:03:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 16:03:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 30556 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 15:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 15:53:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 15:53:22 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E86B6@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:53:21 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01259; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:53:20 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Office Holder Turnover References: Date: 25 Jan 2001 10:53:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:25:09 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Create a new rule entitled "Office Holder Turnover" with the > following text: > > At any time, any office holder may choose to vacate their office by > sending their resignation to the mailing list. That office must > immediately be filled by a player of Doc's choosing. APPROVED, except that I will make this an amendment to Rule 13, which will be retitled "Officers". 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 08:04:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 16:04:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 2419 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 15:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 15:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 15:55:01 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E86D9@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:55:01 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01553; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:55:00 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Officer Elections References: Date: 25 Jan 2001 10:55:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:01:52 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 37 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Create a new rule entitled "Officer Elections" with the following > text: > > If at any time an office is vacant, with no one specified to fill it, Doc > must take on the duties of that office until an election can be held to > see who will hold that office. If at any time the rules require Doc to > fill an office with a player of their choosing, Doc may instead choose > to hold an election to fill that office. Doc must continue to take on the > duties of the office while the election is in progress. > > Doc holds an election by announing it to the mailing list, along with what > office the election is for, and how long nominations for filling that > office will be accepted. Players may nominate themselves, and only > themselves, by announcing it to the mailing list. > > If no players nominate themselves, the office remains vacant and Doc must > continue taking on the duties of that office, until another election > is held. Doc is encouraged to increase the compensation of that office > with a proclamation to help find a willing player. > > If only one player nominated themself, they immediately fill the > office. If more than one player nominated themselves, all player vote on > who they want to hold the office by sending their vote to the mailing > list. Doc announces how long votes will be accepted. > > When voting is concluded, the player with the most votes immediately fills > the office. In the event of a tie, Doc must apoint one player from amongst > those receiving the highest number of votes. REJECTED. Since when is this a democracy? ;-) Jeff has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 08:06:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 16:06:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 7407 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 15:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 15:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 17:00:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E878D@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:59:06 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA02530; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:59:05 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Psychiatry Today References: <94jpuh+dfgu@eGroups.com> Date: 25 Jan 2001 10:59:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:29:21 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 52 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - Psychiatry Today > > Repeal Rule 22 (Therapy Session). > > -- > > Reword Rule 20 (Psychiatrist) to:- > > The Psychiatrist deals with the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention > of mental and emotional disorders, and is able, through counselling, > to treat the Psychoses of other Players. At any given time, one > Player may be a Psychiatrist (their identity is part of the > gamestate), and the Psychiatrist performs his or her work in the > Psychiatric Ward. > > If a Player is in the Psychiatric Ward and the Psychiatrist is also > there, he or she may have the following procedures performed at the > following costs (half of the cost goes to the Hospital, half is > given to the Psychiatrist):- > > * General Therapy - 50 Cash > > The patient gains 5 Soul Points, unless this would take them above > 100 Soul Points. > > * Specific Counselling - 100 Cash > > The patient is cured of a Psychosis of their choice. However, this > process is not always permanently successful - within 24 hours of > such a counselling, the Psychiatrist may declare that the Psychosis > has resurfaced, and give the patient a full refund out of his own > pocket. (The patient may not be counselled again for that Psychosis > until a week has passed.) > > * Electroshock Therapy - Free! > > The patient loses 10 Body, 10 Soul and all of his or her Psychoses. > He or she then gains a Psychosis selected at random. > > If the Psychiatrist's Soul Points drop below thirty, Doc may reassign > the role elsewhere. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 08:07:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 16:07:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 13926 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 15:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 15:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 16:59:31 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E8780@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:58:26 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA02431; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:58:25 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposals: "Don't Pick oh the po' boy no mo'", Amend rule 1000 (new diseases) References: <94i8dm+h3bc@eGroups.com> Date: 25 Jan 2001 10:58:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:24:06 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 45 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > Implement a new rule: > > "Don't Pick oh the po' bo' no mo'" > Any player making a proposal aimed specifically at Feyd, or > mentioning Feyd in any way, must, at Feyd's discretion, pay Feyd 15 > cash, lost 15 soul, and take 3 green pills. > > Furthermore, e contracts a new disease, "Guilt" > -------------------------------- > > Amend rule 1000 with a new disease: > > Guilt (Phychosis): A person experiences guilt because they have done > something terrible and feel bad about it. Guilt can be cured by a > visit to the Psychiatrist for counseling and taking 1 yellow and 1 > blue pill. A person suffering from Guilt must donate 1/2 of all > their wages to another player (if possible the one e feels the guilt > over). > > ------------------------------------------ > Amend rule 1000 with a new disease: > > Broken Leg (Injury): A person with a broken leg must have it > repaired by the Surgeon (except for the surgeon, who my request that > the nurse repair the injury). A person with a broken leg must pay 50 > cash to move from one room to another. The surgeon may repair the > Broken leg during eir Office Hours for 200 Cash. A person suffering > from a Broken Leg looses 5 body at the beginning of the Surgeon's > Office Hours. A player may give another player a broken leg by > paying 5 soul and 5 body and exclaiming to the list, "I rough > up." On a d100 roll (in the PDP) > 1-25 :: gets a broken leg. > 26-40:: both attacking player and get a broken leg > 41-50:: Attacking player gets a broken leg > 51-99:: Nothing. > 00:: A random player gets a broken leg. > A player with a broken let may not attempt to rough up another > player. IGNORED. Subject line is ill-formed. Should start with "Proposal:". -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 08:07:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 16:07:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 43885 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 15:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 15:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 15:57:31 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E8710@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:56:40 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01892; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:56:39 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal : Psychiatric Persecution References: <94hjn8+t5q1@eGroups.com> Date: 25 Jan 2001 10:56:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:30:48 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To the Rule "Psychiatrist", add the paragraph:- > > For any given instance of Feyd mis-spelling "Psychiatry", > "Psychiatrist", "Psychiatric", "Psychosis", "Psycho" or "Psyche", the > Psychiatrist may pay 5 Soul Points to give Feyd a Psychosis. > > { It irks me that Feyd can't be bothered to spell these words > correctly - or maintains an opaque irony in refusing to spell > them correctly - after installing a punishment for those who > spell his *own* position wrongly. } > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ACCEPTED. What the hell. 1 green, 1 red. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 08:11:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 16:11:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 8083 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 16:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 16:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 16:03:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E8871@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:03:29 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA03524; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:03:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Psychiatry Today References: <94jpuh+dfgu@eGroups.com> Date: 25 Jan 2001 11:03:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:29:21 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu This repeals a rule. Claustrophobics Jeff and Feyd lose 5 SPs. Agoraphobics Kevan and Mark gain 5 SPs. 1 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.085540771484375 Original proposer Jeff gets Claustrophobia, except he already has it. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 08:18:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 16:18:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 928 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 16:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 16:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 16:05:55 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E88C9@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:05:55 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA04096; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:05:54 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: PA System References: <94jq0l+c9gt@eGroups.com> Date: 25 Jan 2001 11:05:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:30:29 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - PA System > > Add a new Rule, "PA System":- > > Doc may, at any time, use the PA System to call a member of Staff to > any room inside the hospital, by posting such a message to the > mailing list. Upon doing so, that Staff member is moved directly > to that room, unless they would be unable to reach that room > through normal means. > > { Useful now that Staff have to be in certain places for certain > things, and nice for atmosphere; "*bing-bong* Nurse Airhart to > the Trauma Center, please." } > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- APPROVED, except I think it's better as an amendment to the Hospital Rooms rule. 1 green. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 25 08:19:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 16:19:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 82610 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 16:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 16:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 16:10:11 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010125161331.LVAZ382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:13:31 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010125101421.011af200@pop101.umail.com> X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com@pop101.umail.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:14:37 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Hospital Building Engineer's Report: 1/23/01 In-Reply-To: <94mng9+sia9@eGroups.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart >Feyd >pill please? (OTTIS, WHERE ARE YOU?) I'm here... just got back from the dead... From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 08:20:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 16:20:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 6189 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 16:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 16:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 16:08:34 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E891A@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:08:33 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA04557; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:08:32 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: For Your Own Safety References: <94jq22+8m9c@eGroups.com> Date: 25 Jan 2001 11:08:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:31:14 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu kevan@somethingorother.com writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - For Your Own Safety > > To the description of The Psychiatric Ward, add:- > > The door to the Padded Room has a lock on the outside, and keys are > issued to the Nurse and the Psychiatrist. If the door is locked, > Players may not enter or leave the Padded Room. Any Player present > in the Psychiatric Ward may lock or unlock the door by declaring > this to the mailing list, provided they have a key to it. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- APPROVED. 1 green, 1 red. I will add "Possession of the keys is part of the Gamestate" to this. We now have objects to keep track of. Sounds like a PDP update coming. Not that there's any way to give objects to one another, yet... -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 25 08:24:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 16:24:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 93256 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 16:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 16:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 16:14:04 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010125161723.LVGA382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:17:23 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010125101612.011df438@pop101.umail.com> X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com@pop101.umail.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:18:27 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Office Hours Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart The Nurse was recently rushed out of the Hospital to a greater call, a call to... to... well, let's just say the Nurse got SOOOO busy this week, everything else slipped by unnoticed. But the Nurse is back, and holding Office Hours all day today, so get those blood donations, etc. in while I read the rules and see what's up now. Nurse Ottis From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 08:24:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 16:24:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 13450 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 16:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 16:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 16:11:39 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E898F@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:11:39 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA05500; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:11:38 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Alternate method of getting "addicted". References: Date: 25 Jan 2001 11:11:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:02:04 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > ----- Start Proposal ----- > > Amend "Diseases" by striking the first paragraph of the addiction > disease and replacing it with: > > The Nurse, during their Office Hours, shall choose the player who has > consumed the most pills (regardles of color) since the Nurse's last > Office Hours to be the "Addict" until the next Nurse's Office Hours. If > there is a tie regarding which player has consumed the most pills, the > Nurse randomly picks a player out of those who have consumed the most. > > ----- End Proposal ----- > > Ideally I'd like to see the PDP track how many pills each player > had taken. Until such functionality exists, I guess the Nurse will have to > go through the PDP logs finding out who has consumed the most pills... -5 SPs. REJECTED. I like this proposal, and would be inclined to accept it, if it weren't way too much work for the Nurse. If the PDP modification you suggest were made, that'd be a different story. Maybe you can bribe Kevan. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 08:33:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 16:33:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 31974 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 16:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 16:19:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 17:20:09 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E8A70@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:19:04 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA07330; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:19:03 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Psychiatry Today References: <94jpuh+dfgu@eGroups.com> Date: 25 Jan 2001 11:19:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: kevan@somethingorother.com's message of "Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:29:21 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu ... of course, this nullifies Kevan's previous proposal. Pity. -- - Doc From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 25 09:02:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 17:02:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 43046 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 16:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 16:48:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 16:48:56 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010125165215.LWFN382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:52:15 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010125105233.0120e4e0@pop101.umail.com> X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com@pop101.umail.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:53:21 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Jeff had a blood test and was found with no new diseases. From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 25 09:07:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: docnomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 17:07:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 98817 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 16:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 16:47:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 16:47:49 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010125165109.LWFA382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:51:09 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010125102501.01151e10@pop101.umail.com> X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com@pop101.umail.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:52:15 -0600 To: docnomic@egroups.com Subject: Nurse's Office Hours Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Blood Tests: Jeff: loses 1 body point and 5 cash for the request. Jeff has a 52% chance of discovering the sniffles, but he is clean. 2 Random players: Feyd, who has no communcable disease, does not pass anything to Jeff. Migrane Sufferers: Mark loses 5 body points and x/10 soul points. x = 748-518 = 230 Mark loses 23 soul points. All players have a 23% chance of contracting a migrane. Kevan = 70 = clear Britta = 70 = clear Ottis = 23 (dangit) = Migrane Jeff = 37 = clear Feyd = 95 = clear Martin = 88 = clear The new Addict for the week is: Jeff who loses 3 body and 5 soul Did I forget anything? Nurse's Office Hours are still open until such time as it is past 11:59pm CST on 1/25/2001 (today) or I declare I am finished. From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 25 09:09:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 17:09:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 3455 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 16:50:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 16:50:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 17:51:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.124] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2001 16:50:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:50:21 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Better handling of delayed/canceled Office Hours Message-ID: <94plgd+n263@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 776 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com I assume that since this did not go into effect until today that Ottis is still Nurse? Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > > > Amend "Office Hours" by striking the last two sentences and > > replacing them with the following: > > > > Each office holder may, by announcement to the mailing list, delay their > > office hours for up to six days, or cancel them completely if they are too > > busy. With the exception of Doc, if any Office Holder misses their Office > > Hours without sending a cancellation notice, or cancels their Office Hours > > for three weeks in a row, that office holder must be replaced immediately > > by a player of Doc's choosing. > > APPROVED. 1 green. > > -- > - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 25 09:18:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 17:18:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 96824 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 17:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 17:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 18:03:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0PHmtK06635 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:48:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:48:54 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Alternate method of getting "addicted". In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On 25 Jan 2001 rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > REJECTED. I like this proposal, and would be inclined to accept it, > if it weren't way too much work for the Nurse. If the PDP > modification you suggest were made, that'd be a different story. > Maybe you can bribe Kevan. Okay Kevan... What will it take? ;-) From oairhart@ispchannel.com Thu Jan 25 10:43:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 18:43:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 6777 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 18:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 18:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2a.ispchannel.com) (24.142.63.7) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 19:22:49 -0000 Received: from AURIGA ([24.142.222.139]) by smtp2a.ispchannel.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 7d3764cdaca754bf8ae20adf0db2aa60) with SMTP id <20010125182503.LZHT382.smtp2a@AURIGA> for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:25:03 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20010125122546.04148b20@pop101.umail.com> X-Sender: oairhart@ispchannel.com@pop101.umail.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:26:09 -0600 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Proposal: Better handling of delayed/canceled Office Hours In-Reply-To: <94plgd+n263@eGroups.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Ottis Airhart Yeah, sorry guys about the lapse the last week. Work was killing me. I'm back in tune, now. At 04:50 PM 1/25/2001 +0000, you wrote: >I assume that since this did not go into effect until today that >Ottis is still Nurse? > >Feyd > >--- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: >> "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: >> >> > Amend "Office Hours" by striking the last two sentences and >> > replacing them with the following: >> > >> > Each office holder may, by announcement to the mailing list, >delay their >> > office hours for up to six days, or cancel them completely if >they are too >> > busy. With the exception of Doc, if any Office Holder misses >their Office >> > Hours without sending a cancellation notice, or cancels their >Office Hours >> > for three weeks in a row, that office holder must be replaced >immediately >> > by a player of Doc's choosing. >> >> APPROVED. 1 green. >> >> -- >> - Doc > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >DocNomic-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 10:50:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 18:50:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 64613 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 18:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 18:34:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 19:35:25 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008E9CD8@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:34:19 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA10489; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:34:19 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Hmm Date: 25 Jan 2001 13:34:19 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu I just noticed two things: 1. Mark's down to 16 SPs 2. This hospital has no Morgue. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 25 13:37:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 21:37:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 52218 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 21:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 21:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 21:17:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.68] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2001 21:17:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:17:09 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: "Don't Pick oh the po' boy no mo'", Amend rule 1000 (new diseases) Message-ID: <94q54l+gh92@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1991 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com Same as before, with correct subject line. and I don't have to ask for pills no mo!!! Feyd --- In DocNomic@egroups.com, rsholmes@m... wrote: > Nomic1@a... writes: > > > Implement a new rule: > > > > "Don't Pick oh the po' bo' no mo'" > > Any player making a proposal aimed specifically at Feyd, or > > mentioning Feyd in any way, must, at Feyd's discretion, pay Feyd 15 > > cash, lost 15 soul, and take 3 green pills. > > > > Furthermore, e contracts a new disease, "Guilt" > > -------------------------------- > > > > Amend rule 1000 with a new disease: > > > > Guilt (Phychosis): A person experiences guilt because they have done > > something terrible and feel bad about it. Guilt can be cured by a > > visit to the Psychiatrist for counseling and taking 1 yellow and 1 > > blue pill. A person suffering from Guilt must donate 1/2 of all > > their wages to another player (if possible the one e feels the guilt > > over). > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > Amend rule 1000 with a new disease: > > > > Broken Leg (Injury): A person with a broken leg must have it > > repaired by the Surgeon (except for the surgeon, who my request that > > the nurse repair the injury). A person with a broken leg must pay 50 > > cash to move from one room to another. The surgeon may repair the > > Broken leg during eir Office Hours for 200 Cash. A person suffering > > from a Broken Leg looses 5 body at the beginning of the Surgeon's > > Office Hours. A player may give another player a broken leg by > > paying 5 soul and 5 body and exclaiming to the list, "I rough > > up." On a d100 roll (in the PDP) > > 1-25 :: gets a broken leg. > > 26-40:: both attacking player and get a broken leg > > 41-50:: Attacking player gets a broken leg > > 51-99:: Nothing. > > 00:: A random player gets a broken leg. > > A player with a broken let may not attempt to rough up another > > player. From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 25 13:39:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 21:39:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 51404 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 21:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 21:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 22:20:47 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.68] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2001 21:19:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:19:39 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Office Hours for E. and S. will be delayed until tomorrow sometime. Message-ID: <94q59b+vngm@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Thu Jan 25 13:40:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 25 Jan 2001 21:40:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 79291 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2001 21:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2001 21:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 22:21:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.68] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2001 21:20:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:20:39 -0000 To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Please be sure to enter request for E. or S. before OH.... Message-ID: <94q5b7+ovdu@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 111 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com Remember that E. can cure any disease, unlike the silly shrinky-dink who can only help with Psychosis. Feyd From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 25 16:52:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 26 Jan 2001 00:52:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 67141 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 00:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 00:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 01:29:55 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0Q1FP306830 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:15:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:15:25 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Hospital Building Engineer's Report 1/25/2001 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Feyd, good friend ol' buddy of mine. Mind sparing a pill for your good friend Jeff? Please? Pleeeease? PLEASE???? How about a nice tasty green one? So yummy and tasty... Mmmm... Green pills... Mmmm... Oh, eh... Where were we? Kevan spent two nights in the cell with agoraphobia gaining 10 SP. Jeff spent two nights outside with claustrophobia gaining 10 SP. Feyd spent one night outside with claustrophobia gaining 5 SP. PPD updated. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 25 17:00:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 26 Jan 2001 01:00:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 21858 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 00:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 00:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 00:33:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0Q1KE706836 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:20:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:20:14 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Hospital Building Engineer Office Hours Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Just examined the database and I realized that I just don't have enough pills in my possession. If anyone would care to give me one, I would be most appreciative. In other news, the location database looks just fine. The PDP has been updated with the appropriate adjustments. I now take my compensation of one heavenly yellow pill and one perfectly shaped purple pill. Yumm.... PDP updated. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 25 17:16:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 26 Jan 2001 01:16:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 56925 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 00:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 00:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 00:46:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0Q1Wgr06842 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:32:43 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:32:42 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Proposal: The Morgue Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I take one red pill. PDP updated. ----- Start Proposal Text ----- Amend "Hospital Rooms" as follows: Amend the Trauma Center by adding a connection to the Hallway of Death. Add the following rooms: Hallway of Death - Connects to Trauma Center and Morgue This room serves to distance the rest of the hospital from the Morgue. It is decorated with commemorative plaques of past DocNomic players. Morgue - Connets to Hallway of Death This is where dead players go to, uh, be dead. When a player dies, they are automatically moved to this room. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Thu Jan 25 17:19:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 26 Jan 2001 01:19:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 79912 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 00:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 00:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 00:49:08 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0Q1Zhx06846 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:35:43 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:35:42 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: PDP Adjustment Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Ottis has 123 body points. In accordance with rule 11, I'm setting it to 120 by subtracting 3 body points. PDP updated. Got a pill? From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Thu Jan 25 18:32:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2); 26 Jan 2001 02:32:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 32031 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 02:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 02:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 02:03:44 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008ECDF7@mailer.syr.edu>; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:03:44 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA03698; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:03:42 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@egroups.com Subject: Doc's OH Date: 25 Jan 2001 21:03:42 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu (1) Disease database: I see no evidence the disease database has been updated since 15 Jan. Coma became a disease on 19 Jan but is not included in the disease database. The rules require the database to be updated at least once between Doc's office hours. Penalty is "the Epidemiologist loses 25 health points" -- hmm, that slipped past me, but I'll assume it means body points. (2) Blood donations: Mark and Martin apparently have never donated blood. All players are required to donate blood to the blood bank at least once per four of Doc's Office Hours. Mark and Martin lose 10 body points. (3) Nasty cough: No one except Britta (in coma) has Bit Of a Cough, so no Nasty Cough is caught. (4) Glam Rock Shoulder: Mark loses 4 body points. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 26 06:34:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 26 Jan 2001 14:34:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 94371 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 14:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 14:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hh.egroups.com) (10.1.10.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 14:34:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.66] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2001 14:34:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:34:12 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: SCREW YAHOO. Message-ID: <94s1t4+nh8d@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 35 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com sigh. This is a mess today! Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Fri Jan 26 07:43:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 26 Jan 2001 15:43:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 4133 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 15:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 15:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 15:41:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.132] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2001 15:41:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:41:13 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: SCREW YAHOO. Message-ID: <94s5qp+al0g@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <94s1t4+nh8d@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 729 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: kevan@somethingorother.com > sigh. This is a mess today! Indeed. If anyone else has had "Yahoo Groups" claiming that cookies were disabled in IE when they weren't (thus refusing to retrieve your eGroups profile), it seems alright under Netscape. What fun. Having said that, though, the actual interface looks to have a few useful additions to it, being able to view multiple messages at once, and having more stuff in the group's "Home" page. Maybe they'll finally get around to putting "new messages" counters back on the "My Groups" page, at some point... Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "The Global Tetrahedron Conglomerate gains controlling shares of its final two competitors, Time-WarturABCDisSonylumbiaAT&T and LockheedZweibSKBank." From m.couchman@bigwig.net Fri Jan 26 08:24:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 26 Jan 2001 16:24:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 99816 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 16:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 16:23:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 16:23:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.10.64] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2001 16:23:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:23:34 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Nurse! Help me!! Message-ID: <94s8a6+d51l@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 156 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net I'd like a vaccination please, immediately followed by a blood test. Thanks.. left arm please this time. My right arm's still bruised from the last one. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 26 08:55:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 26 Jan 2001 16:55:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 88872 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 16:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 16:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 16:55:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0QHfUS07344 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:41:36 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:41:30 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: I would like to donate some Blood. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Anyone got a pill to help calm my nurves? From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 26 09:15:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 26 Jan 2001 17:15:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 30472 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 17:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 17:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 17:14:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.4.68] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2001 17:14:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:14:02 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Epidemiologist Office Hours Message-ID: <94sb8q+9ujh@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 200 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com No-one caught an air-borne disease! Ottis slipped on the floor and got "Glam Rock Shoulder". All rolls are listed in the PDP (Keven, that ROCKS!). PDP updated. Disease databases updated. Feyd From m.couchman@bigwig.net Fri Jan 26 09:19:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 26 Jan 2001 17:19:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 51944 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 17:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 17:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 17:17:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.240] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2001 17:17:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:17:43 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: proposal: Amendment to rule 24 (Pharmacy) Message-ID: <94sbfn+gfot@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3197 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net A revised, briefer, proposal. ================================= Replace the current text of rule 24 (The Pharmacy) with the following: i) Players may buy pills from the pharmacy, or sell them to the pharmacy, for cash. The pharmacy can never have a negative quantity of any pill in stock. Pill purchases and sales must be made using the PDP. ii) In the interests of patient health and safety, no player may purchase more than 3 pills of each type from the pharmacy in one day. iii) Pricing: The price at which players may purchase a pill is calculated as follows, rounded to the nearest integer: If (Play >= Pills) then Cost := ((Play-Pills) * C/4) + (C * 1.5) Else Cost := C - ((Pills - Play)/4) END IF Where: Play = Number of players Pills = Number of pills of that color C = Base cost of that color pill The price at which a player may sell an unused pill (not even slightly sucked please) back to the pharmacy is calculated by subtracting 10 from the result of the above formula, or zero where the result would otherwise be less than zero. iv) Base Cost of items stocked by the pharmacy: 1 yellow pill 40 cash points 1 purple pill 35 cash points 1 red pill 30 cash points 1 blue pill 25 cash points 1 green pill 20 cash points 1 "Getting over your addiction" pamphlet 0 cash points 1 "101 ways to avoid infection" pamphlet 0 cash points v) Pills are made only in the pharmacy, and may not be created by any other means. All pills given to players by Doc as perks, or provided through the action of any other rule, must therefore be withdrawn from the Pharmacy stocks. vi) The pharmacy's stocks are increased by the Nurse once during each Nurse's Office Hours by the following quantities, rounded to the nearest integer, where n = the number of players at that time: Yellow pills: n * 1.2 Red pills: n * 1.2 Blue pills: n * 1.2 Green pills: n * 2 Purple pills: n * 1 vii) Records of the Pharmacy's stocks, and the current pill price list, are maintained on the Player Details Page. Pamphlets are printed to order, and given out free by the pharmacy. The PDP need not keep records pertaining to pamphlet stocks. viii) The following are interim measures while this rule is being brought into force: When the PDP is able to maintain records regarding stocks and prices, this rule will be enacted fully by proclamation by Doc. Until that time, the pre-existing rules will continue to the extent that: a) the pharmacy is considered to have an inexhaustible supply of pills; b) the Nurse is not required to replenish pharmacy stocks, and c) Doc may continue to create pills to give to players On full enactment of this rule, the pharmacy will be provided with initial stocks of 30 pills of each type. =========================== (Give a pill to Feyd for the formula as well. I'm sure he could do with one.) (for information, the formula leads to the following prices: Number Number green yellow players pills price price 8 1 65 130 8 3 55 110 8 5 45 90 8 7 35 70 8 10 19.5 39.5 8 15 18.25 38.25 8 20 17 37 8 25 15.75 35.75 8 30 14.5 34.5 <- initial pricing. 8 40 12 32 8 50 9.5 29.5 base=20 base=40 ) From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 26 09:23:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 26 Jan 2001 17:23:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 40868 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 17:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 17:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 17:21:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.103] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2001 17:21:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:21:33 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Surgeon Office Hours Message-ID: <94sbmt+qkt7@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 383 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com I would like to correct Disease guy -- Ottic caught the Sniffle, not Glam Rock Shoulder. Noone asked for operations. However, Jeff did fall and hurt his shoulder, I diagnose him with "Glam Rock Shoulder". I can cure than upon request. PDP updated. (Keven, when I went back I couldn't see the updated or randome die rolls in the PDP -- any thought why?). YAHOO SUCKS!! Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 26 09:25:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 26 Jan 2001 17:25:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 51079 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 17:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 17:24:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk.egroups.com) (10.1.1.30) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 17:24:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.96] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2001 17:24:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:24:10 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Epidemiologist correction of OH Message-ID: <94sbrq+2mkp@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 312 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com Ottis did not catch "Glam Rock" as previously reported, nor Sniffles as the Surgeon reported. he has a "Horrid Rash". The PDP is correct. If anyone is wondering why my typing is suffering it's because YAHOO sucks. I'm typing two or three words/paragraphs ahead of the text displayed on my schreen. Feyd From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 26 10:26:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 26 Jan 2001 18:26:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 21449 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 18:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 18:26:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 19:27:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0QJC5807464 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:12:26 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:12:04 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Alternate Pharmacy Changes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I take one red pill. PDP updated. I don't mean to stomp on Martin's idea. However, I brought up a number of problems with the first one and a few of them have not been resolved. Namely, what if a rule gives out a pill, but the pharmacy doesn't have it? Also, I don't like requiring the PDP to handle the process, along with the subsequent interim measures. If Kevan never updated the PDP, this rule will have no effect. I much prefer a rule that has an immediate effect, and then can later be amended if Kevan decides to update the PDP to accomodate the rule. As such... I propose the Alternate Pharmacy Changes that I worked up and even sent to Martin for review. Notice that I still include the Pharmacist position, and that the Pharmacist is responsible for updating the PDP when players buy and sell pills. I don't think this will be a huge concern, because I haven't seen too many people buying pills as it is. I think its a small price to pay for being able to see these effects immediately. ----- Start Proposal Text ----- Create a new rule entitiled "Pharmacist" with the following text: A player shall hold the office of Pharmacist. The identity of the Pharmacist shall be part of the gamestate. When this rule is enacted, the Pharmacist shall be the person variously known as Sir Toby, Jeff Weston, or jjweston. This paragraph will then repeal itself from this rule. The Pharmacist tracks the inventory and pricing of items in the Pharmacy. All required information must be stored in one or more eGroups databases. As compensation for such duties, the Pharmacist receives 75 cash points during their Office Hours. If the Pharmacist is unable to update the eGroups database(s) at least once in between their Office Hours, they will be declared unfit for office and Doc must replace them immediately. During the Pharmacist's Office Hours, the Pharmacist must take the following actions in this order: - Handle all outstanding Pharmacy transactions. - Receive their compensation. - Make pills for the Pharmacy. - Adjust the prices for items bought and sold by the Pharmacy. When making pills, the Pharmacist produces a number of pills of each color, determined by the following equations. The pills are immediately added to the Pharmacy's inventory. Yellow Pills : n * 1.00 Purple Pills : n * 1.25 Red Pills : n * 1.50 Blue Pills : n * 1.75 Green Pills : n * 2.00 n is the number of players in the game. Any fractions are rounded mathematically to the nearest integer. The Pharmacist must use the following equation to set the prices for pills: ( 50 / x ) * p p is the base price for players buying or selling pills, detailed in the following table. x is the current number of pills in stock of that color. Any fractions are rounded mathematically to the nearest integer. color : buy : sell -------+-----+----- Yellow : 40 : 30 purple : 35 : 25 red : 30 : 20 blue : 25 : 15 green : 20 : 10 Amend "Pharmacy" to read in full: The Pharmacy sells pharmaceutical items to players for cash. Any player may, at any time, buy items available from the Pharmacy, if the Pharmacy has the item in stock. The Pharmacy can never have a negative quantity of an item in stock. Players may also sell unused items in their possession back to the Pharmacy for cash. Any such transaction must be sent to the mailing list. The Pharmacist will then update the PDP and adjust the Pharmacy's stocks as appropriate. The Pharmacy redeems pill coupons and will exchange a player's coupon for the exact quantity and color of pills as listed on the coupon, if the Pharmacy has the required items in stock. The Pharmacy purchases and sells the following items: Yellow Pills Purple Pills Red Pills Blue Pills Green Pills The Pharmacy gives away the following items for free: "Getting Over Your Addiction" Pamphlets "101 Ways to Avoid Infection" Pamphlets In the interests of public health and safety, a single player may not purchase more than 3 pills of each type from the Pharmacy in one day. The price for purchasing and sellng pills is part of the gamestate, maintained by the Pharmacist, and stored in an eGroups database. The quantities of pills are limited. The quantity of each pill remaining is part of the gamestate, maintained by the Pharmacist, and stored in an eGroups database. Pamphlets are printed to order. Pills are made only in the pharmacy, and may not be created by any other means. All pills given to players provided through the action of any other rule, must therefore be withdrawn from the Pharmacy stocks. If the Pharmacy has insufficient stocks to give out for a particular rule action, the player will instead receive a pill coupon listing the exact quantity and color of pills they are to receive. This paragraph takes precedence over every rule that gives pills to players. Each player's inventory of coupons and what is listed on them is part of the gamestate, maintained by the Pharmacist, and stored in an eGroups database. When this rule is amended with these changes, the quantity of each pill available in the Pharmacy will be set to 50. The Pharmacy will sell yellow pills at 40 and buy them at 30. The Pharmacy will sell purple pills at 35 and buy them at 25. The Pharmacy will sell red pills at 30 and buy them at 20. The Pharmacy will sell blue pills at 25 and buy them at 15. The Pharmacy will sell green pills at 20 and buy them at 10. This paragraph will then repeal itself from the rule. From Nomic1@aol.com Fri Jan 26 11:17:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 26 Jan 2001 19:17:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 89253 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 19:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 26 Jan 2001 19:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mu.egroups.com) (10.1.1.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 19:15:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.4.66] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2001 19:15:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:15:57 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: NOTE on Pill Proposal...group purchases and sales... Message-ID: <94sidd+t6ln@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <94sbfn+gfot@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 909 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.137 From: Nomic1@aol.com It is important to note that pill sales should be computed by the PDP one at a time. If you can sell in bulk at the current fixed price then players can generate infinite amounts of currency. Keven will need to be aware of this as he programs the PDP. Feyd --- In DocNomic@y..., m.couchman@b... wrote: > If (Play >= Pills) then > Cost := ((Play-Pills) * C/4) + (C * 1.5) > Else > Cost := C - ((Pills - Play)/4) > END IF > Where: Play = Number of players > Pills = Number of pills of that color > C = Base cost of that color pill > > The price at which a player may sell an unused pill (not even > slightly sucked please) back to the pharmacy is calculated by > subtracting 10 from the result of the above formula, or zero where > the result would otherwise be less than zero. > > (Give a pill to Feyd for the formula as well. I'm sure he could > do > with one.) Thanks... jim From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 26 17:34:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 01:34:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 82939 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 01:34:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 01:34:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 02:35:42 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008F3704@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:34:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA07236; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:34:36 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: "Don't Pick oh the po' boy no mo'", Amend rule 1000 (new diseases) References: <94q54l+gh92@eGroups.com> Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:34:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:17:09 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 58 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > > > Implement a new rule: > > > > > > "Don't Pick oh the po' bo' no mo'" > > > Any player making a proposal aimed specifically at Feyd, or > > > mentioning Feyd in any way, must, at Feyd's discretion, pay Feyd > 15 > > > cash, lost 15 soul, and take 3 green pills. > > > > > > Furthermore, e contracts a new disease, "Guilt" > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > Amend rule 1000 with a new disease: > > > > > > Guilt (Phychosis): A person experiences guilt because they have > done > > > something terrible and feel bad about it. Guilt can be cured by > a > > > visit to the Psychiatrist for counseling and taking 1 yellow and > 1 > > > blue pill. A person suffering from Guilt must donate 1/2 of all > > > their wages to another player (if possible the one e feels the > guilt > > > over). > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > Amend rule 1000 with a new disease: > > > > > > Broken Leg (Injury): A person with a broken leg must have it > > > repaired by the Surgeon (except for the surgeon, who my request > that > > > the nurse repair the injury). A person with a broken leg must > pay 50 > > > cash to move from one room to another. The surgeon may repair > the > > > Broken leg during eir Office Hours for 200 Cash. A person > suffering > > > from a Broken Leg looses 5 body at the beginning of the Surgeon's > > > Office Hours. A player may give another player a broken leg by > > > paying 5 soul and 5 body and exclaiming to the list, "I rough > > > up." On a d100 roll (in the PDP) > > > 1-25 :: gets a broken leg. > > > 26-40:: both attacking player and get a broken leg > > > 41-50:: Attacking player gets a broken leg > > > 51-99:: Nothing. > > > 00:: A random player gets a broken leg. > > > A player with a broken let may not attempt to rough up another > > > player. REJECTED. Mentioning the Epidemiologist is one way of mentioning Feyd, so this rule would penalize Players from making Proposals that affect that Office. Feyd has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 26 17:37:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 01:37:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 6708 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 01:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 01:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 01:37:04 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008F3755@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:37:04 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA07394; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:37:03 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: The Morgue References: Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:37:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:32:42 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Amend "Hospital Rooms" as follows: > > Amend the Trauma Center by adding a connection to the Hallway of > Death. Add the following rooms: > > Hallway of Death - Connects to Trauma Center and Morgue > This room serves to distance the rest of the hospital from the > Morgue. It is decorated with commemorative plaques of past DocNomic > players. > > Morgue - Connets to Hallway of Death > This is where dead players go to, uh, be dead. When a player dies, > they are automatically moved to this room. -5 SP. ACCEPTED. I note, however, that living Players cannot enter the Morgue, and that no one can enter the Hallway of Death. 1 yellow. FoR cured. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 26 17:51:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 01:51:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 20145 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 01:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 01:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 01:51:17 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008F37FC@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:51:17 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA08205; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:51:16 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] proposal: Amendment to rule 24 (Pharmacy) References: <94sbfn+gfot@eGroups.com> Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:51:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:17:43 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 124 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > Replace the current text of rule 24 (The Pharmacy) with the following: > > i) Players may buy pills from the pharmacy, or sell them to the > pharmacy, for cash. The pharmacy can never have a negative quantity > of any pill in stock. Pill purchases and sales must be made using the > PDP. > > ii) In the interests of patient health and safety, no player may > purchase more than 3 pills of each type from the pharmacy in one day. > > iii) Pricing: The price at which players may purchase a pill is > calculated as follows, rounded to the nearest integer: > > If (Play >= Pills) then > Cost := ((Play-Pills) * C/4) + (C * 1.5) > Else > Cost := C - ((Pills - Play)/4) > END IF > Where: Play = Number of players > Pills = Number of pills of that color > C = Base cost of that color pill > > The price at which a player may sell an unused pill (not even > slightly sucked please) back to the pharmacy is calculated by > subtracting 10 from the result of the above formula, or zero where > the result would otherwise be less than zero. > > iv) Base Cost of items stocked by the pharmacy: > > 1 yellow pill 40 cash points > 1 purple pill 35 cash points > 1 red pill 30 cash points > 1 blue pill 25 cash points > 1 green pill 20 cash points > > 1 "Getting over your addiction" pamphlet 0 cash points > 1 "101 ways to avoid infection" pamphlet 0 cash points > > v) Pills are made only in the pharmacy, and may not be created by any > other means. > > All pills given to players by Doc as perks, or provided through the > action of any other rule, must therefore be withdrawn from the > Pharmacy stocks. > > vi) The pharmacy's stocks are increased by the Nurse once during > each > Nurse's Office Hours by the following quantities, rounded to the > nearest integer, where n = the number of players at that time: > > Yellow pills: n * 1.2 > Red pills: n * 1.2 > Blue pills: n * 1.2 > Green pills: n * 2 > Purple pills: n * 1 > > vii) Records of the Pharmacy's stocks, and the current pill price > list, are maintained on the Player Details Page. Pamphlets are > printed to order, and given out free by the pharmacy. The PDP need > not keep records pertaining to pamphlet stocks. > > viii) The following are interim measures while this rule is being > brought into force: > > When the PDP is able to maintain records regarding stocks and prices, > this rule will be enacted fully by proclamation by Doc. Until that > time, the pre-existing rules will continue to the extent that: > a) the pharmacy is considered to have an inexhaustible supply of > pills; > b) the Nurse is not required to replenish pharmacy stocks, and > c) Doc may continue to create pills to give to players > > On full enactment of this rule, the pharmacy will be provided with > initial stocks of 30 pills of each type. > > =========================== > > (Give a pill to Feyd for the formula as well. I'm sure he could > do > with one.) > (for information, the formula leads to the following prices: > > Number Number green yellow > players pills price price > 8 1 65 130 > 8 3 55 110 > 8 5 45 90 > 8 7 35 70 > 8 10 19.5 39.5 > 8 15 18.25 38.25 > 8 20 17 37 > 8 25 15.75 35.75 > 8 30 14.5 34.5 <- initial pricing. > 8 40 12 32 > 8 50 9.5 29.5 > > base=20 base=40 ) REJECTED. Jeff's concerns strike me as valid ones. In addition: (1) Since the Pharmacy stocks and pill prices are not information about Players, it does not strike me as sensible to handle that information through the PDP. Of course, to conduct a "buy pills" transaction, some entity has to know the pill price. But as Jeff points out, pill purchases are infrequent enough that they don't have to be highly automated. The person who enters the transaction in the PDP could look up the price elsewhere and type it into a text entry field on the PDP along with the quantity. (2) I find the pricing formula a bit ambiguous. "Pills = Number of pills of that color" -- which number of pills does this refer to? The number being purchased? The number the player has? The number the pharmacy has? The number that exist anywhere? (3) The handling of perks is unclear. Perks are said to come from pharmacy stock. Who removes them from pharmacy stock? Who, if anyone, pays for them? Martin has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 26 17:56:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 01:56:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 25137 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 01:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 01:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 01:56:45 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008F381B@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:56:45 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA08424; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:56:44 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Alternate Pharmacy Changes References: Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:56:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:12:04 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 113 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Create a new rule entitiled "Pharmacist" with the following text: > > A player shall hold the office of Pharmacist. The identity of the > Pharmacist shall be part of the gamestate. > > When this rule is enacted, the Pharmacist shall be the person variously > known as Sir Toby, Jeff Weston, or jjweston. This paragraph will then > repeal itself from this rule. > > The Pharmacist tracks the inventory and pricing of items in the Pharmacy. > All required information must be stored in one or more eGroups databases. > As compensation for such duties, the Pharmacist receives 75 cash points > during their Office Hours. If the Pharmacist is unable to update the > eGroups database(s) at least once in between their Office Hours, they will > be declared unfit for office and Doc must replace them immediately. > > During the Pharmacist's Office Hours, the Pharmacist must take the > following actions in this order: > > - Handle all outstanding Pharmacy transactions. > - Receive their compensation. > - Make pills for the Pharmacy. > - Adjust the prices for items bought and sold by the Pharmacy. > > When making pills, the Pharmacist produces a number of pills of each color, > determined by the following equations. The pills are immediately added to > the Pharmacy's inventory. > > Yellow Pills : n * 1.00 > Purple Pills : n * 1.25 > Red Pills : n * 1.50 > Blue Pills : n * 1.75 > Green Pills : n * 2.00 > > n is the number of players in the game. Any fractions are rounded > mathematically to the nearest integer. > > The Pharmacist must use the following equation to set the prices for pills: > > ( 50 / x ) * p > > p is the base price for players buying or selling pills, detailed in the > following table. x is the current number of pills in stock of that color. > Any fractions are rounded mathematically to the nearest integer. > > color : buy : sell > -------+-----+----- > Yellow : 40 : 30 > purple : 35 : 25 > red : 30 : 20 > blue : 25 : 15 > green : 20 : 10 > > Amend "Pharmacy" to read in full: > > The Pharmacy sells pharmaceutical items to players for cash. Any player > may, at any time, buy items available from the Pharmacy, if the Pharmacy > has the item in stock. The Pharmacy can never have a negative quantity of > an item in stock. Players may also sell unused items in their possession > back to the Pharmacy for cash. Any such transaction must be sent to the > mailing list. The Pharmacist will then update the PDP and adjust the > Pharmacy's stocks as appropriate. > > The Pharmacy redeems pill coupons and will exchange a player's coupon for > the exact quantity and color of pills as listed on the coupon, if the > Pharmacy has the required items in stock. > > The Pharmacy purchases and sells the following items: > > Yellow Pills > Purple Pills > Red Pills > Blue Pills > Green Pills > > The Pharmacy gives away the following items for free: > > "Getting Over Your Addiction" Pamphlets > "101 Ways to Avoid Infection" Pamphlets > > In the interests of public health and safety, a single player may not > purchase more than 3 pills of each type from the Pharmacy in one day. > > The price for purchasing and sellng pills is part of the gamestate, > maintained by the Pharmacist, and stored in an eGroups database. The > quantities of pills are limited. The quantity of each pill remaining is > part of the gamestate, maintained by the Pharmacist, and stored in an > eGroups database. Pamphlets are printed to order. > > Pills are made only in the pharmacy, and may not be created by any other > means. All pills given to players provided through the action of any other > rule, must therefore be withdrawn from the Pharmacy stocks. If the Pharmacy > has insufficient stocks to give out for a particular rule action, the > player will instead receive a pill coupon listing the exact quantity and > color of pills they are to receive. This paragraph takes precedence over > every rule that gives pills to players. Each player's inventory of coupons > and what is listed on them is part of the gamestate, maintained by the > Pharmacist, and stored in an eGroups database. > > When this rule is amended with these changes, the quantity of each pill > available in the Pharmacy will be set to 50. The Pharmacy will sell yellow > pills at 40 and buy them at 30. The Pharmacy will sell purple pills at 35 > and buy them at 25. The Pharmacy will sell red pills at 30 and buy them at > 20. The Pharmacy will sell blue pills at 25 and buy them at 15. The > Pharmacy will sell green pills at 20 and buy them at 10. This paragraph > will then repeal itself from the rule. APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 26 17:57:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 01:57:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 18920 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 01:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 01:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 02:59:02 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008F382E@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:57:57 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA08489; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:57:56 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: The Morgue References: Date: 26 Jan 2001 20:57:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:32:42 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Oops, never mind. I misread the connections. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Fri Jan 26 18:11:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 02:11:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 85157 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 02:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 02:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 03:12:13 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008F38A7@mailer.syr.edu>; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:11:08 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA09708; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:11:07 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Alternate Pharmacy Changes References: Date: 26 Jan 2001 21:11:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:12:04 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu This creates the 27th rule (implemented as Rule 9). A-phobes Kevan and Mark lose 5 SPs. C-phobes Jeff and Feyd gain 5 SPs. 27% chance to get A-phobia for Ottis, Jeff, Feyd, and Martin: 4 random reals 0 < x < 1: 0.387908935546875 0.8577880859375 0.776397705078125 0.760009765625 No one does. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 26 20:45:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 04:45:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 9714 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 04:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 04:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 04:45:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0R5Vk007704 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:31:46 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:31:46 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Alternate Pharmacy Changes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On 26 Jan 2001 rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > > > Create a new rule entitiled "Pharmacist" with the following text: > > [snip] > > Amend "Pharmacy" to read in full: > > [snip] > > APPROVED. 1 green. Pharmacy stocks updated. PDP updated. Got a pill? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 26 20:52:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 04:52:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 43999 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 04:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 04:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 04:52:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0R5d6W07740 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:39:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:39:06 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pill Purchase Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I purchase 3 green pills. Pharmacy stocks updated. PDP updated. Anyone got a pill? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 26 20:59:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 04:59:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 35228 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 04:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 04:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 04:59:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0R5jKQ07750 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:45:20 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:45:20 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Could Doc look at my Glam Rock Shoulder problem please? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" It's really starting to hurt... Could I have a red pill? Perhaps it will lessen the pain... From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 26 21:11:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 05:11:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 48568 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 05:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 05:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 05:11:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0R5vmA07782 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:57:49 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:57:48 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Pill Purchase In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Jeffrey J. Weston wrote: > I purchase 3 green pills. > > Pharmacy stocks updated. > > PDP updated. > > Anyone got a pill? Stupid me... I can only purchase pills when I'm at the Pharmacy. Guess I'm so addicted to those little green buggers, I just imagined I purchased them. *sigh* Perhaps someone can just give me one and save me the trouble? Please? Pharmacy stocks un-updated. PDP un-updated. Anyone un-got a pill? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 26 21:19:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 05:19:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 64995 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 05:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 05:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 06:21:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0R66EN07795 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:06:14 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:06:14 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hospital Building Engineer's Report 1/26/2001 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Feyd and Jeff spent the night outside. +5 SPs. Kevan spent the night locked up. +5 SPs. Feyd already updated his PDP. I've updated the rest. Got a pill? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 26 21:20:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 05:20:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 77695 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 05:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 05:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 05:20:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0R66aZ07803 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:06:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:06:36 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: I move to Hospital Entrance. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Got a pill? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 26 21:25:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 05:25:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 74715 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 05:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 05:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 06:26:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0R6BWN07813 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:11:32 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:11:32 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Yahoo Sucks! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I take one red pill. PDP updated. Everywhere in the ruleset, replace all occurences of eGroups, with YahooGroups. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Fri Jan 26 21:30:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 05:30:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 90144 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 05:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 05:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 05:30:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0R6Gnc07821 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:16:50 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:16:49 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Must be present to buy and sell. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I take one red pill. PDP updated. Amend "Hospital Rooms" by striking the description of the Pharmacy and replacing it with the following text: This room is the home of the Pharmacy. A player must be present in this room in order to purchase items from the Pharmacy, sell items back to the Pharmacy, or redeem pill coupons. The Pharmacist does not have to be present to make these transactions. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Jan 27 10:19:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 27 Jan 2001 18:19:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 90679 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2001 18:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 Jan 2001 18:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2001 18:19:38 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008F5B76@mailer.syr.edu>; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:19:38 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA27745; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:19:37 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Could Doc look at my Glam Rock Shoulder problem please? References: Date: 27 Jan 2001 13:19:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:45:20 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > It's really starting to hurt... Hmm. Rule 1000 says This Disease ... can be operated on by Doc or the Nurse for 350 Cash. However, Rule 30 says The Surgeon is in charge of operations and physical wounds. His primary duty is to deal with all diseases of type "Injury" or "Physical". That looks like a rule conflict to me, in which case Rule 30 has precedence and the Surgeon should be the one to deal with GRS. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sat Jan 27 20:34:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 04:34:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 2847 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 04:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 04:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 05:35:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0S5KUp08884 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:20:31 -0800 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:20:30 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: I move to Pharmacy. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" Got a pill? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sat Jan 27 20:37:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 04:37:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 4160 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 04:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 04:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 04:37:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0S5N3N08892 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:23:04 -0800 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:23:03 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pill Purchases Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I purchase 3 green and 3 red pills for a total cost of 150 cash points. Pharmacy stocks updated. PDP updated. Got a pill? From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sun Jan 28 09:52:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 17:52:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 61263 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 17:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 17:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 18:53:53 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008F8FDA@mailer.syr.edu>; 28 Jan 2001 12:52:48 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA12715; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:52:47 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Yahoo Sucks! References: Date: 28 Jan 2001 12:52:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:11:32 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Everywhere in the ruleset, replace all occurences of eGroups, with > YahooGroups. APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sun Jan 28 09:54:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 17:54:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 35781 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 17:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 17:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 17:54:08 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008F8FFF@mailer.syr.edu>; 28 Jan 2001 12:54:07 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA12816; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:54:06 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Must be present to buy and sell. References: Date: 28 Jan 2001 12:54:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:16:49 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Amend "Hospital Rooms" by striking the description of the > Pharmacy and replacing it with the following text: > > This room is the home of the Pharmacy. A player must be present in this > room in order to purchase items from the Pharmacy, sell items back to the > Pharmacy, or redeem pill coupons. The Pharmacist does not have to be > present to make these transactions. APPROVED. Though I note that the wording of the last sentence could be interpreted to mean the Pharmacist doesn't have to be in the Pharmacy to buy himself some pills! 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sun Jan 28 09:54:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 17:54:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 38691 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 17:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 17:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 17:54:44 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008F900F@mailer.syr.edu>; 28 Jan 2001 12:54:44 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA12838; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:54:43 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Yahoo Sucks! References: Date: 28 Jan 2001 12:54:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:11:32 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu -5 SP. FoR cured. PDP updated. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sun Jan 28 11:31:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 19:31:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 97789 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 19:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 19:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 19:31:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0SKHbq13200 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:17:38 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:17:37 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Yahoo Sucks! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On 28 Jan 2001 rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > -5 SP. FoR cured. PDP updated. Actually... Wasn't my FoR cured with "The Morgue"? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sun Jan 28 11:34:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 19:34:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 5790 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 19:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 19:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 20:35:56 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0SKKgq13210 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:20:43 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:20:42 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Must be present to buy and sell. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On 28 Jan 2001 rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > APPROVED. Though I note that the wording of the last sentence could > be interpreted to mean the Pharmacist doesn't have to be in the > Pharmacy to buy himself some pills! 1 green. That was not my intent... It does make for a nice scam though. Hehehe. ;-) Pharmacy stocks updated: -1 green. Got a pill? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sun Jan 28 11:35:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 19:35:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 54548 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 19:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 19:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 20:36:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0SKLDo13214 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:21:13 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:21:13 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Yahoo Sucks! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On 28 Jan 2001 rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > APPROVED. 1 green. Pharmacy stocks updated: -1 green. Got a pill? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sun Jan 28 11:37:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 19:37:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 65270 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 19:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 19:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 20:37:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0SKMQq13226 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:22:26 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:22:25 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pill purchases. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I purchase 3 green and 3 red for a total of 150 cash points. Pharmacy stocks updated: -3 red, -3 green. PDP updated. Got a pill? From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sun Jan 28 11:39:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 19:39:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 11456 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 19:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 19:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 20:39:38 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008F96F3@mailer.syr.edu>; 28 Jan 2001 14:38:33 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA24563; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:38:32 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Yahoo Sucks! References: Date: 28 Jan 2001 14:38:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:17:37 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Actually... Wasn't my FoR cured with "The Morgue"? Sigh. Yes, it was. Somehow I didn't get that into the PDP, though. Did I overlook anything else? 5 SPs restored. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sun Jan 28 11:54:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 19:54:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 52570 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 19:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 19:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 19:53:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0SKdiS13240 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:39:44 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:39:44 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Yahoo Sucks! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On 28 Jan 2001 rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > > > Actually... Wasn't my FoR cured with "The Morgue"? > > Sigh. Yes, it was. Somehow I didn't get that into the PDP, though. > Did I overlook anything else? One more thing... It looks like you haven't added the identity of the Pharmacist to the gamestate yet. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sun Jan 28 12:00:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 20:00:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 72242 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 20:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 20:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 20:00:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0SKkRk13250 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:46:27 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:46:27 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: No Scam for the Pharmacist Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I take one red pill. PDP updated. Amend "Hospital Rooms" by striking the last sentence from the description of Pharmacy and replacing it with: "Although the Pharmacist does need to be present to buy, sell, and redeem items for themselves, the Pharmacist does not have to be present for other players to engage in their own transactions." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sun Jan 28 12:35:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 28 Jan 2001 20:35:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 21562 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 20:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2001 20:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 21:36:25 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008F9A71@mailer.syr.edu>; 28 Jan 2001 15:35:20 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA01137; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:35:19 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Yahoo Sucks! References: Date: 28 Jan 2001 15:35:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:39:44 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > One more thing... It looks like you haven't added the identity of > the Pharmacist to the gamestate yet. Done. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Sun Jan 28 16:15:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 00:15:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 72064 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 00:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 00:15:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 01:16:53 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008FA581@mailer.syr.edu>; 28 Jan 2001 19:15:48 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA26196; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:15:47 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: No Scam for the Pharmacist References: Date: 28 Jan 2001 19:15:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:46:27 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > Amend "Hospital Rooms" by striking the last sentence from the > description of Pharmacy and replacing it with: "Although the Pharmacist > does need to be present to buy, sell, and redeem items for themselves, > the Pharmacist does not have to be present for other players to engage in > their own transactions." APPROVED. 1 yellow. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Sun Jan 28 17:30:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 01:30:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 90460 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 01:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 01:30:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 02:31:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0T2GA313506 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:16:10 -0800 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:16:09 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: No Scam for the Pharmacist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On 28 Jan 2001 rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > APPROVED. 1 yellow. Pharmacy stocks updated: -1 yellow. Got a pill? From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 29 07:00:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 15:00:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 20680 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 14:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 14:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 14:59:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.91] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 14:59:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:59:54 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Could Doc look at my Glam Rock Shoulder problem please? Message-ID: <9540ha+t54h@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 794 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@y..., rsholmes@m... wrote: > "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > > > It's really starting to hurt... > > Hmm. > > Rule 1000 says > > This Disease ... can be operated on by Doc or the Nurse for 350 > Cash. > > However, Rule 30 says > > The Surgeon is in charge of operations and physical wounds. His > primary duty is to deal with all diseases of type "Injury" or > "Physical". > > That looks like a rule conflict to me, in which case Rule 30 has > precedence and the Surgeon should be the one to deal with GRS. Of course, neither rule state how the SURGEON can fix this! Jeff, the Epidemiologist will patch you up for 150 Cash if you head down to his place of business. He will also give you a nice green pill to help with the pain.... Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 29 07:03:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 15:03:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 25806 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 15:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 15:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 15:02:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.91] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 15:02:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:02:27 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend rule 1000 paragrah "Glam Rock Shoulder" Message-ID: <9540m3+iltf@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 887 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com Change rule 1000, paragraph "Glam Rock Shoulder" from: Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) During the first Office Hours of 2001, each Player has a 25% chance of contracting Glam Rock Shoulder, in the wake of the Hospital's New Year bash. This Disease causes its sufferer to lose 4 Body Points during every subsequent Office Hours held by Doc, and can be operated on by Doc or the Nurse for 350 Cash. If no Players have Glam Rock Shoulder, and if the first office hours of 2001 have passed, this Disease shall be removed from the Ruleset. to: Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) This Disease causes its sufferer to lose 4 Body Points during every subsequent Office Hours held by the Surgeon, and can be operated on by the Surgeon for 350 Cash. If no Players have Glam Rock Shoulder, and if the first office hours of 2001 have passed, this Disease shall be removed from the Ruleset. From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 29 07:07:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 15:07:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 3568 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 15:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 15:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 15:06:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.91] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 15:06:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:06:24 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Updates to PDP Message-ID: <9540tg+p4cj@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 131 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com Feyd takes a Green pill to remove FoR PDP updated. Feyd was outside the last two days, PDP updated (he has Claustrophobia). Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 29 07:11:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 15:11:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 59169 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 15:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 15:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 15:10:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.59] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 15:10:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:10:44 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Amend rule 1000 "Diseases" -- "Broken Leg" Message-ID: <95415k+ho81@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1072 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com ------------------------------------------ Amend rule 1000 with a new disease: Broken Leg (Injury): A person with a broken leg must have it repaired by the Surgeon (except for the Surgeon, who may request that the Nurse or Doc repair the injury). A person with a broken leg loses 3 body to move from one room to another. The surgeon may repair the Broken Leg at any time for 250 Cash. The person must be in the Trauma Center with the Surgeon for the leg to be repaired. A person suffering from a Broken Leg looses 10 body at the beginning of the Surgeon's Office Hours. A player [[the "Attacking" player,]]may give another player a broken leg by paying 5 soul and 5 body and exclaiming to the list, "I rough up." On a d100 roll (in the PDP): 1-25 :: gets a broken leg. 26-40:: both attacking player and get a broken leg 41-50:: Attacking player gets a broken leg 51-99:: Nothing. 00:: A random player gets a broken leg. A player with a broken let may not attempt to rough up another player. Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Jan 29 08:09:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 16:09:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 17797 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 16:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 16:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cj.egroups.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 16:01:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.127] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 16:01:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:01:54 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Tourette's Syndrome Message-ID: <95445i+3l4b@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <9540tg+p4cj@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 805 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: "Kevan Davis" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Tourette's Syndrome Create a new Disease:- Tourette's Syndrome (Psychosis) If a Player feels that a posting to the mailing list should have been made by private email, or should not have been made at all, he or she may give Tourette's Syndrome to the Player who posted it. (Doc may undo this and fine the Player up to 500 Cash for wasting hospital time, if he feels that the posting was fair enough.) Whenever a Player with Tourette's Syndrome posts to the mailing list, any Player may, in the next twenty-four hours, dock them two Soul Points for that message (provided that no Player has already done so for that message). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From m.couchman@bigwig.net Mon Jan 29 08:38:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 16:38:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 70459 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 16:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 16:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 16:32:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.56] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 16:32:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:32:05 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: I move to the pharmacy.. Message-ID: <9545u5+6gd9@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 29 08:39:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 16:39:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 30954 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 16:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 16:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 16:33:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.119] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 16:33:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:33:14 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Missing a cure Re: Proposal: Tourette's Syndrome Message-ID: <95460a+fec2@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <95445i+3l4b@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1054 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com >From paragraph 1 of rule 1000: "All diseases must have a Name, a Type, Symptoms, and a Cure." There is no cure mentioned for this disease. Feyd --- In DocNomic@y..., "Kevan Davis" wrote: > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Proposal - Tourette's Syndrome > > Create a new Disease:- > > Tourette's Syndrome (Psychosis) > If a Player feels that a posting to the mailing list should have > been made by private email, or should not have been made at all, > he or she may give Tourette's Syndrome to the Player who posted > it. (Doc may undo this and fine the Player up to 500 Cash for > wasting hospital time, if he feels that the posting was fair > enough.) > > Whenever a Player with Tourette's Syndrome posts to the mailing > list, any Player may, in the next twenty-four hours, dock them two > Soul Points for that message (provided that no Player has already > done so for that message). > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From m.couchman@bigwig.net Mon Jan 29 08:53:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 16:53:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 92534 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 16:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 16:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 16:46:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.99] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 16:46:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:46:45 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Amendment to rule 27 (trading post) Message-ID: <9546pl+fsck@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 142 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net To this rule, add the sentence: "The players involved in any transaction must be in the same room at the time the transaction takes place." From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 29 09:00:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 17:00:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 66983 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 16:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 16:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 17:55:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0THeB913991 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:40:13 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:40:11 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend rule 1000 paragrah "Glam Rock Shoulder" In-Reply-To: <9540m3+iltf@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > Change rule 1000, paragraph "Glam Rock Shoulder" from: > > [snip] > > to: > > Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) > This Disease causes its sufferer to lose 4 Body Points during every > subsequent Office Hours held by the Surgeon, and can be operated on > by the Surgeon for 350 Cash. If no Players have Glam Rock Shoulder, > and if the first office hours of 2001 have passed, this Disease shall ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > be removed from the Ruleset. Whose first office hours of 2001? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 29 09:00:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 17:00:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 85701 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 16:55:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 16:55:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 16:55:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0THf6s13995 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:41:08 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:41:06 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Updates to PDP In-Reply-To: <9540tg+p4cj@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > Feyd takes a Green pill to remove FoR PDP updated. > Feyd was outside the last two days, PDP updated (he has > Claustrophobia). Green doesn't cure FoR, Purple does.... From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 29 09:06:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 17:06:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 60210 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 17:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 17:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 18:01:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0THjBg13999 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:45:34 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:45:11 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Amendment to rule 27 (trading post) In-Reply-To: <9546pl+fsck@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 m.couchman@bigwig.net wrote: > To this rule, add the sentence: "The players involved in any > transaction must be in the same room at the time the transaction > takes place." *sigh* This change was part of my Hospital Rooms proposal... I didn't see it earlier, else I would raised a point of order about it. Got a pill? From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Jan 29 09:09:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 17:09:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 12085 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 17:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 17:04:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ef.egroups.com) (10.1.2.111) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 17:04:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.36] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 17:04:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:04:02 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Missing a cure Re: Proposal: Tourette's Syndrome Message-ID: <9547q2+99lc@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <95460a+fec2@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 475 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: "Kevan Davis" > From paragraph 1 of rule 1000: "All diseases must have a Name, a > Type, Symptoms, and a Cure." > > There is no cure mentioned for this disease. All Psychoses can be cured by "Specific Counselling" from the Psychiatrist. In fact, any Disease can be cured by the Epidemiologist, so for the purposes of that paragraph, *all* Diseases automatically have a Cure of some sort. Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "A Haliborange overdose is perhaps not the right way." From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 29 09:09:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 17:09:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 96139 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 17:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 17:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 17:04:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0THnho14011 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:49:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:49:42 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pill purchase. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I purchase 3 green pills for a cost of 60 cash. Pharmacy stocks updated: -3 green. PDP updated. Got a pill? From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 29 09:33:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 17:33:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 97909 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 17:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 17:26:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 17:26:45 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008FE83F@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:26:45 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA09116; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:26:44 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend rule 1000 paragrah "Glam Rock Shoulder" References: <9540m3+iltf@eGroups.com> Date: 29 Jan 2001 12:26:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:02:27 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > Change rule 1000, paragraph "Glam Rock Shoulder" from: > > Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) > During the first Office Hours of 2001, each Player has a 25% chance > of contracting Glam Rock Shoulder, in the wake of the Hospital's New > Year bash. This Disease causes its sufferer to lose 4 Body Points > during every subsequent Office Hours held by Doc, and can be operated > on by Doc or the Nurse for 350 Cash. If no Players have Glam Rock > Shoulder, and if the first office hours of 2001 have passed, this > Disease shall be removed from the Ruleset. > > to: > > Glam Rock Shoulder (Physical) > This Disease causes its sufferer to lose 4 Body Points during every > subsequent Office Hours held by the Surgeon, and can be operated on > by the Surgeon for 350 Cash. If no Players have Glam Rock Shoulder, > and if the first office hours of 2001 have passed, this Disease shall > be removed from the Ruleset. ACCPTED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 29 09:35:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 17:35:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 90823 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 17:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 17:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 17:29:37 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008FE87D@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:29:37 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA09722; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:29:36 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Amend rule 1000 "Diseases" -- "Broken Leg" References: <95415k+ho81@eGroups.com> Date: 29 Jan 2001 12:29:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nomic1@aol.com's message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:10:44 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Nomic1@aol.com writes: > ------------------------------------------ > Amend rule 1000 with a new disease: > > Broken Leg (Injury): A person with a broken leg must have it > repaired by the Surgeon (except for the Surgeon, who may request that > the Nurse or Doc repair the injury). A person with a broken leg > loses 3 body to move from one room to another. The surgeon may > repair the Broken Leg at any time for 250 Cash. The person must be > in the Trauma Center with the Surgeon for the leg to be repaired. > A person suffering from a Broken Leg looses 10 body at the beginning > of the Surgeon's Office Hours. > A player [[the "Attacking" player,]]may give another player a broken > leg by paying 5 soul and 5 body and exclaiming to the list, "I rough > up." On a d100 roll (in the PDP): > 1-25 :: gets a broken leg. > 26-40:: both attacking player and get a broken leg > 41-50:: Attacking player gets a broken leg > 51-99:: Nothing. > 00:: A random player gets a broken leg. > A player with a broken let may not attempt to rough up another > player. ACCEPTED. 1 yellow. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 29 09:47:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 17:47:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 2085 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 17:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 17:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 17:39:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0TIPN214180 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:25:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:25:22 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pharmacy Stocks Updated Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" -1 green, -1 yellow. Both given out as perks. Got a pill? From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 29 09:49:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 17:49:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 50090 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 17:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 17:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 17:43:02 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008FEA09@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:43:02 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA13485; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:43:01 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Tourette's Syndrome References: <95445i+3l4b@eGroups.com> Date: 29 Jan 2001 12:43:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Kevan Davis"'s message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:01:54 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 36 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Kevan Davis" writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - Tourette's Syndrome > > Create a new Disease:- > > Tourette's Syndrome (Psychosis) > If a Player feels that a posting to the mailing list should have > been made by private email, or should not have been made at all, > he or she may give Tourette's Syndrome to the Player who posted > it. (Doc may undo this and fine the Player up to 500 Cash for > wasting hospital time, if he feels that the posting was fair > enough.) > > Whenever a Player with Tourette's Syndrome posts to the mailing > list, any Player may, in the next twenty-four hours, dock them two > Soul Points for that message (provided that no Player has already > done so for that message). > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ACCEPTED. As Feyd points out, this disease has no specific cure. Kevan replies that it has a cure, as do all diseases, since the Epidemiologist and, in this case, the Psychiatrist can cure them. I dislike that argument. It renders tautological the requirement that all diseases must have cures. I don't think that's what the intent of that requirement was. However, I think the letter of the law is on Kevan's side. 1 yellow. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 29 09:54:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 17:54:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 18264 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 17:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 17:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 17:45:16 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008FEA5D@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:45:15 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA14130; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:45:14 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Amendment to rule 27 (trading post) References: <9546pl+fsck@eGroups.com> Date: 29 Jan 2001 12:45:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:46:45 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > To this rule, add the sentence: "The players involved in any > transaction must be in the same room at the time the transaction > takes place." -5 SPs (FoR). *sigh* I could've sworn I made that change while enacting the Hospital Rooms proposal. But it wasn't there when I checked. ACCEPTED. 1 green. FoR cured. -- - Doc From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Jan 29 10:02:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 18:02:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 24099 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 17:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 17:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 17:54:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.96] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 17:54:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:53:01 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Broken Legwork Message-ID: <954alt+qqf3@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1522 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: "Kevan Davis" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Proposal - Broken Legwork [[ Just a bit of tidying up, really, as well as clarifying the operation location in the place where people are most likely to read it. Assumption made: the leg-breaking of a random Player, on a die roll of 100, should probably be "random Player in the same room". ]] Reword the Broken Leg Injury to:- A Player with a Broken Leg loses 3 Body Points whenever they move from one room to another, and 10 Body Points during the Surgeon's Office Hours. A Broken Leg can be operated on by the Surgeon for 250 Cash. The Nurse may operate on the Surgeon's Broken Leg for the same fee. A Player may give another Player a Broken Leg by Attacking them, provided they share a Room. An Attack involves paying 5 Soul and 5 Body and rolling a 100-sided die (in the PDP). According to the result of that roll:- 01-25 : The Attacked Player gets a Broken Leg. 26-40 : Both Attacking and Attacked Players get a Broken Leg. 41-50 : The Attacking Player gets a broken leg 51-99 : Nothing happens. 100 : A random Player in the same Room as the Attacker gets a Broken Leg. A Player with a Broken Leg may not Attack other Players. Also replace "if he or she can afford the operation" with "if he or she can afford the operation, and if he or she is in the Trauma Center with the operating Player". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Jan 29 10:13:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 18:13:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 80183 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 18:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 18:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 18:05:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.2.163] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 18:05:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:05:35 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cures Message-ID: <954bdf+6115@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1246 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 212.42.164.32 From: "Kevan Davis" > ACCEPTED. As Feyd points out, this disease has no specific cure. > Kevan replies that it has a cure, as do all diseases, since the > Epidemiologist and, in this case, the Psychiatrist can cure them. > > I dislike that argument. It renders tautological the requirement that > all diseases must have cures. I don't think that's what the intent of > that requirement was. However, I think the letter of the law is on > Kevan's side. Mm, not entirely tautological - it stops people proposing nasty Diseases which are specifically incurable ("Black Death is incurable. This takes precedence over the Epidemiologist's power to cure diseases."). Indeed, it arguably vapourises any Diseases which happen to become incurable, by robbing them of their "official Disease" label the moment they lack a cure. (Interestingly, the Ruleset tells us that "There is no cure for The Sniffles"...) What was the original intent of the requirement, though? That all Diseases be curable through medication, to stop any single Staff member being in a position to totally deny treatment of a given Disease? Or simply that we shouldn't have incurable Diseases because they'd be too unfair? Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "Smell to get well." From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 29 10:57:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 18:57:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 31486 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 18:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 18:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 18:49:11 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008FF489@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:49:11 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA01393; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:49:10 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Re: Cures References: <954bdf+6115@eGroups.com> Date: 29 Jan 2001 13:49:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Kevan Davis"'s message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:05:35 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Kevan Davis" writes: > (Interestingly, the Ruleset tells us that "There is no cure for The > Sniffles"...) I was going to comment on that. It then goes on to give what is for all intents and purposes a cure: request treatment from the Nurse and wait until Nurse's Office Hours. -- - Doc From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 29 11:04:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 19:04:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 88399 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 18:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 18:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 18:51:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0TJaBv14250 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:36:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:36:11 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pharmacy Stocks Updated Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" -1 green, -1 yellow. Both given out as perks. From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:12:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 19:12:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 10174 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 19:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 19:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 19:00:51 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.126] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 19:00:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:00:48 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Updates to PDP Message-ID: <954el0+p05s@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 377 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@y..., "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 Nomic1@a... wrote: > > > Feyd takes a Green pill to remove FoR PDP updated. > > Feyd was outside the last two days, PDP updated (he has > > Claustrophobia). > > Green doesn't cure FoR, Purple does.... sigh, oh well, already made a proposal. PDP updated to show I still have FOR. Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:14:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 19:14:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 56972 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 19:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 19:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 19:06:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.126] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 19:06:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:06:17 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Proposal: Broken Legwork Message-ID: <954ev9+48fp@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <954alt+qqf3@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1651 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@y..., "Kevan Davis" wrote: > > Proposal - Broken Legwork Not sure this is necessary.... > [[ Just a bit of tidying up, really, as well as clarifying the > operation location in the place where people are most likely to > read it. > > Assumption made: the leg-breaking of a random Player, on a > die roll of 100, should probably be "random Player in the same > room". ]] This is unlikely. A completely random player would indicate the fight spilled over into another room . > Reword the Broken Leg Injury to:- > > A Player with a Broken Leg loses 3 Body Points whenever they move > from one room to another, and 10 Body Points during the Surgeon's > Office Hours. > > A Broken Leg can be operated on by the Surgeon for 250 Cash. The > Nurse may operate on the Surgeon's Broken Leg for the same fee. > > A Player may give another Player a Broken Leg by Attacking them, > provided they share a Room. An Attack involves paying 5 Soul and 5 > Body and rolling a 100-sided die (in the PDP). According to the > result of that roll:- > > 01-25 : The Attacked Player gets a Broken Leg. > 26-40 : Both Attacking and Attacked Players get a Broken Leg. > 41-50 : The Attacking Player gets a broken leg > 51-99 : Nothing happens. > 100 : A random Player in the same Room as the Attacker gets a > Broken Leg. > > A Player with a Broken Leg may not Attack other Players. > > Also replace "if he or she can afford the operation" with "if he > or she can afford the operation, and if he or she is in the > Trauma Center with the operating Player". Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:22:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 19:22:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 9987 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 19:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 19:14:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 19:14:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.52] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 19:14:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:14:05 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cures Message-ID: <954fdt+ou4i@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <954bdf+6115@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1487 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@y..., "Kevan Davis" wrote: > > ACCEPTED. As Feyd points out, this disease has no specific cure. > > Kevan replies that it has a cure, as do all diseases, since the > > Epidemiologist and, in this case, the Psychiatrist can cure them. The sniffles DOES have a cure, to whit: "Make a request of the Nurse to treat them and wait until is next office hours." > What was the original intent of the requirement, though? That all > Diseases be curable through medication, to stop any single Staff > member being in a position to totally deny treatment of a given > Disease? Or simply that we shouldn't have incurable Diseases because they'd be too unfair? The original intent of the paragraph was to make sure that all diseases followed a creation formula (the earlier version was a rule in itself that strictly defined "cure", "type" etc.). I think the intent was more to be, "consider what the cure should be." For example, the following cures would, in my opinion, be valid: "The diesase is cured by taking 1 green pill at any time." "This disease is cured by requesting the nurse cure you, and waiting until the end of the Nurse's office hours." (basically the sniffles). "This disease is cured when the player reaches 0 body or 0 soul." "This disease is cured by giving the surgeon 100 cash and requesting an appendectomy. The surgeon must state during their office hours that they are performing the appendectomy on the player." Feyd From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Jan 29 11:24:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 19:24:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 13922 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 19:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 19:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 19:15:36 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.008FF7A6@mailer.syr.edu>; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:15:28 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA08242; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:15:27 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: The defenseless dead Date: 29 Jan 2001 14:15:27 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 73 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu I just noticed a few embarassing features of the ruleset with regard to the vitality-challenged: (1) Rule 11 says If a Player's Body Points or Soul Points are zero, that Player is Dead and may take no further part in the current Round. However, it asserts no precedence over other Rules. So for example, Rule 3 says: Players may submit Proposals by sending them to the DocNomic Mailing List. As the ruleset stands, dead Players are able to submit proposals, since Rule 3 has precedence over Rule 11. Simple fix: Add a precedence override to Rule 11: "This paragraph takes precedence over all other Rules." (The first paragraph of the Coma disease description also claims precedence over all other Rules. Rule 11 having the lower number, it has precedence over the Coma description. And that's OK.) I do so by Proclamation. (2) There still are some holes, or at least arguable holes. For example: Rule 2 (relating to players who remove themselves from the game): Their Soul Points, Body Points, and Cash Points shall be distributed evenly to all Players Even dead ones? If so, do they then become not-dead? (Or... UNDEAD?) Rule 9, discussing formulas for how many pills the Pharmacist makes: n is the number of players in the game. Including dead ones? Rule 30 say the Surgeon must Select one player at random, and one disease of type Physical or Injury at random. The selected player has a 20% chance of acquiring the Injury. Including dead ones? There are other similar uses of the word "Player" where dead players probably were not what the proposer had in mind. Their interpretation hinges on what is meant by "take part in" the round. One could say getting an Injury is "taking part" and the amended Rule 11 prohibits that. I don't know -- to me that's kind of like saying Abraham Lincoln "took part in" an assassination. Anyway, it still leaves Rule 30 unclear -- does the Surgeon select a player at random and, if that player is dead, do nothing? Or does the surgeon select at random among only the non-dead players? The fixes to these problems are less obvious, and probably should be decided separately for each such use of the term "player". I think the easiest thing would be to substitute the phrase "living player" (or perhaps "active player", where "active" is defined as neither dead nor comatose) whereever it seems to be desireable and not clearly decided by the overrule provision of Rule 11. But that requires some thought and decisions. No Proclamations for this, yet. Comments and Proposals are welcome. -- - Doc From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:25:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 19:25:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 44681 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 19:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 19:15:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mw.egroups.com) (10.1.2.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 19:15:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.52] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 19:15:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:15:18 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Point of Order Message-ID: <954fg6+vgjn@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 146 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com Doc, I took a green pill to cure FoR instead of a purple. Therefore my next proposal would have cost -5 soul and cured FoR. PDP updated. Feyd. From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:29:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 19:29:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 28084 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 19:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 19:19:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ck.egroups.com) (10.1.2.83) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 19:19:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.52] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 19:19:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:19:56 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: HELP PDP BROKEN Message-ID: <954fos+j467@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 166 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com I tried to "lose" 5 soul points, but the PDP added 5. When I tried to lose 10 again, I gained another 10 instead. I now have 20 SP too many. Kevan, help!! Feyd From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 29 12:22:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 20:22:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 75942 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 20:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 20:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 20:11:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0TKuaW14305 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:56:42 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:56:36 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] HELP PDP BROKEN In-Reply-To: <954fos+j467@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 Nomic1@aol.com wrote: > I tried to "lose" 5 soul points, but the PDP added 5. When I tried > to lose 10 again, I gained another 10 instead. I now have 20 SP too > many. Kevan, help!! > > Feyd Hmm... I was able to deduct 20 soul points from you Feyd... Not sure if it was a temporary glitch, or if the PDP just really likes you today. Anyways, PDP updated, and should show the correct value now. Got a pill? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 29 12:34:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 20:34:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 31289 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 20:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 20:26:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 21:27:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0TLBjl14340 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:11:51 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:11:44 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Improved Emergency Doc Replacement Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I take one red pill. PDP updated. Amend "Doc" by striking the last paragraph and replacing it with the following text: In the event that Doc is absent from the game for a period of more than three weeks without making arrangements for his return, the active players may choose a new Doc. They register their preference by election, each active player having one vote each. The Nurse oversees the process, and appoints as the new Doc the active player receiving the most votes. In the event of a tie, the Nurse may appoint one of those receiving the highest number of votes. The active player so appointed must immediately remove themselves from the game and take on the role of Doc. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 29 12:39:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 20:39:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 46167 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 20:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 20:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 21:32:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0TLGHV14344 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:16:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:16:17 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Player Definitions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I take 1 red pill. PDP updated. Amend "Players" by appending the following paragraph: A living player is defined as a player who is not dead. An active player is defined as a living player who does not have the coma disease. From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 29 12:42:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 20:42:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 16382 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 20:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 20:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 20:34:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0TLJjV14348 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:20:06 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:19:45 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: No Undead Proposing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I take one red pill. PDP updated. Amend "Proposals" by striking the word "Players" from the first paragraph and replacing it with "Active players". From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 29 12:52:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 20:52:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 44076 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 20:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 20:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 20:44:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0TLTZk14366 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:29:37 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:29:35 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Wages Only for the Active Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I take one red pill. PDP updated. Amend "Body, Soul, and Cash" by striking the first occurence of the word "Player" from the third paragraph and replacing it with "active player". From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 29 12:56:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 20:56:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 55577 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 20:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 20:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 20:48:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0TLXQS14372 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:33:36 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:33:26 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pill Purchase Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I purchase 3 red pills at a cost of 30 each. Pharmacy stocks updated: -3 red. PDP updated. Got a pill? From jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com Mon Jan 29 13:17:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjweston@kenny.sir-toby.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 21:17:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 7067 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 21:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 21:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kenny.sir-toby.com) (63.84.211.242) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 22:06:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (jjweston@localhost) by kenny.sir-toby.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0TLpDg14392 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:51:24 -0800 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:51:13 -0800 (PST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Only Active Players as Officers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Jeffrey J. Weston" I take one red pill. PDP updated. Amend "Pharmacist" by striking the phrase "A player" from the first paragraph and replacing it with "An active player". Amend "Officers" by striking the phrase "a player" from the second paragraph and replacing it with "an active player". Amend "Nurse" by striking the phrase "A player" from the first paragraph and replacing it with "An active player". Amend "The Epidemiologist" as follows: Rename the rule to "Epidemiologist". Strike the first sentence from the second paragraph. Create a new paragraph at the beginning of the rule with the following text: An active player shall hold the office of Epidemiologist. The identity of the Epidemiologist shall be part of the gamestate. Amend "Psychiatrist" as follows: Strike the last sentence of the first paragraph and replace it with: "The Psychiatrist performs his or her work in the Psychiatric Ward". Create a new paragraph at the beginning of the rule with the following text: An active player shall hold the office of Psychiatrist. The identity of the Psychiatrist shall be part of the gamestate. Amend "The Surgeon" as follows: Rename the rule to "Surgeon". Strike the first sentence from the second paragraph. Create a nwe paragraph at the beginning of the rule with the following text: An active player shall hold the office of Surgeon . The identity of the Surgeon shall be part of the gamestate. Amend "Hospital Building Engineer" by striking the phrase "A player" from the first paragraph and replacing it with "An active player". From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 29 13:21:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 21:21:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 22443 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 21:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 21:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 21:09:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.110] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 21:09:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:09:54 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HELP PDP BROKEN Message-ID: <954m72+c5l9@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 619 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@y..., "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 Nomic1@a... wrote: > Hmm... I was able to deduct 20 soul points from you Feyd... Not > sure if it was a temporary glitch, or if the PDP just really likes you > today. Anyways, PDP updated, and should show the correct value now. > > Got a pill? I do, and I give you 1 green pill. PDP updated. However, I would prefer to help you fight this addiction! I will cure you of this afflition for 100 cash, just visit the lab and ask for the old addiction cure. I'll send a memo there and make sure that it's ready for you. Feyd From kevan@somethingorother.com Mon Jan 29 13:23:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevan@somethingorother.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 21:23:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 19114 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 21:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 21:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c9.egroups.com) (208.50.99.230) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 21:10:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kevan@somethingorother.com Received: from [10.1.10.96] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 21:10:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:10:01 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Pill Purchase Message-ID: <954m79+civ8@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 544 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.64.191.187 From: "Kevan Davis" > I purchase 3 red pills at a cost of 30 each. > > Pharmacy stocks updated: -3 red. Out of interest, does anyone find these stocktaking reports useful? I've a feeling we could spare Jeff the duty and live without them. I suppose if they told us how many Pills were left, they'd be quite informative, but even then it's going to be a long time before anyone's very concerned - maybe Jeff could just alert us if stocks of a given colour get below a dozen? Kevan -- http://uncertain.org/~kevan "And I need pills to wake me up as well." From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 29 13:35:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 21:35:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 96357 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 21:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 21:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 21:22:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.2.25] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 21:22:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:22:55 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The defenseless dead Message-ID: <954mvf+l2oa@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 868 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.138 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@y..., rsholmes@m... wrote: > I just noticed a few embarassing features of the ruleset with regard > to the vitality-challenged: > Rule 30 say the Surgeon must > > Select one player at random, and one disease of type Physical or > Injury at random. The selected player has a 20% chance of acquiring > the Injury. > > Including dead ones? I cannot give injury to those in coma, though, correct? > > There are other similar uses of the word "Player" where dead players > probably were not what the proposer had in mind. Their interpretation Perhaps we should revisit the alternates for player discussed earlier, i.e. "Patient", "Comotose Patient", and "Corpse". I don't really want to change "Player" to "Patient" throughout the rules, but it looks like we're going to have to change "player" to "active player" anyway...... Feyd From Nomic1@aol.com Mon Jan 29 14:35:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Nomic1@aol.com X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 29 Jan 2001 22:35:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 66664 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2001 22:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2001 22:19:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mw.egroups.com) (10.1.2.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2001 22:19:24 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Nomic1@aol.com Received: from [10.1.10.123] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2001 22:19:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:19:19 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HELP PDP BROKEN Message-ID: <954q97+m03k@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <954m72+c5l9@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 564 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.249.92.139 From: Nomic1@aol.com --- In DocNomic@y..., Nomic1@a... wrote: > --- In DocNomic@y..., "Jeffrey J. Weston" wrote: > > Got a pill? > > I do, and I give you 1 green pill. PDP updated. However, I would > prefer to help you fight this addiction! I will cure you of this > afflition for 100 cash, just visit the lab and ask for the old > addiction cure. I'll send a memo there and make sure that it's ready > for you. > > Feyd Oops, can't give you a pill, we're not in the same room. However, the offer to heal you of this horrible affliction still stands! Feyd From m.couchman@bigwig.net Tue Jan 30 03:13:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 11:13:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 71413 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 11:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 11:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 11:13:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.10.67] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2001 11:13:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:13:46 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: Rule changes pertaining to party poppers and their use Message-ID: <9567la+7u94@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 4143 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net Sorry this is another long one. I tried to keep it short, but it just=20 kept growing. Ahem. The essential idea is short, but it requires=20 several trivial amendments throughout the rules. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Amendment to rule 32: Hospital rooms. Add this room: Locker room. Has a two-way connection with the hospital Entrance. The locker room contains one locker for each live player. A=20 player may, when in the locker room, pay 80 cash to briefly open eir=20 locker, and may then remove items from the locker, or add items to it=20 that e is carrying. Items belonging to a player that have not been=20 put in a locker are being carried by that player. No player may gain=20 access to any other player=A1=A6s locker. When a player adds item(s) to,=20 or removes item(s) from, a locker, e must post to the mailing list,=20 stating what items have been added or removed, and the contents of=20 the locker after the transaction. Proposed new rule. Party Poppers. The quantity of Party Poppers possessed by each Player is part of the=20 gamestate. When a Player joins the game, they have no Party Poppers. When an active player (the =A1=A5attacker=A1=A6) is in the same room as=20 another active player, and is carrying a Party Popper, e may fire the=20 popper at the other player, or at a nominated player if there is more=20 than one. The fired-at player (the =A1=A5victim) is so surprised that e=20 drops 20% of each type of pill that e is carrying (rounded to nearest=20 integer). The attacker takes up to two pills of each type from those=20 dropped. Any remaining dropped pills are distributed equally among=20 all active players in the room as they scrabble round the floor for=20 them, with any left over going to the attacker.=20 These changes must be posted to the mailing list, and the victim must=20 give the appropriate pills to the other player(s) involved via the=20 PDP. The Party Popper is destroyed when it is fired.=20 Party Poppers may not be fired in the Locker Room. Amendments to allow for party poppers to exist: Amend rule 9 (Pharmacist): -to the list of actions to be performed, add as the fourth item: =84h Add one Party Popper to the Pharmacy stocks. Amend rule 24. (Pharmacy) -Amend the first sentence to read =A1=A7The Pharmacy sells=20 pharmaceuticals, and other items, to players for cash.=20 -To the list of items stocked, add =84h Party Poppers -Amend the penultimate paragraph (starting =A1=A7The price for purchasing=20 and sellng pills=20 =A1K=A1=A8) to read, in full: =A1=A7The price for any item that is sold by the pharmacy is part of the=20 gamestate, maintained by the Pharmacist, and stored in a Yahoo!=20 Groups database. The quantities of these items are limited. The=20 quantity of each item remaining is part of the gamestate, maintained=20 by the Pharmacist, and stored in an Yahoo! Groups database. Pamphlets=20 are printed to order. =A1=A7 -Before the last paragraph, add a new paragraph: Party Poppers are sold for 80 cash, and bought back for 50 cash. {I was going to have a variable price, as for pills, but that can=20 wait for another proposal. I think it=A1=A6s OK for the pharmacy to=20 diversify a little..} Amendments to clarify the difference between pills (or other items)=20 being carried, and items in the locker: To rule 8 (pills). Amend sentence 1 of para 3 ("A Player may take or discard a Pill they=20 possess, at any time, via the Player Details page.") to read: =A1=A7A player may take or discard a pill they are carrying at any time,=20 via the Player Details Page.=A1=A8 To rule 24 (Pharmacy). Amend the fourth sentence ("Players may also sell unused items in=20 their possession back to the Pharmacy for cash") to read: =A1=A7Players=20 may also sell unused items that they are carrying back to the=20 Pharmacy for cash.=A1=A8 To rule 27. (trading post) After the first sentence (=A1=A7A player may give another player cash,=20 pills, or pamphlets at any time, as long as the player has the item=20 in their possession to give=A1=A8) to read: =A1=A7A player may give cash, pills, or pamphlets, that e is carrying, to= =20 another player at any time.=A1=A8 From m.couchman@bigwig.net Tue Jan 30 03:18:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 11:18:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 30517 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 11:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 11:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 11:18:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.10.67] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2001 11:18:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:18:47 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: bought 3 y pills Message-ID: <9567un+5qud@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 31 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net 3 yellow pills bought, via PDP From m.couchman@bigwig.net Tue Jan 30 03:21:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 11:21:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 13115 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 11:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 11:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 11:21:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.10.67] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2001 11:21:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:21:51 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: amendment to rule 26 (blood bank) for new players Message-ID: <95684f+erk8@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 177 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net To the second paragraph, append the following: "An exception is made for new players, who do not lose 10 body points if they have joined the game within the previous 28 days. From m.couchman@bigwig.net Tue Jan 30 03:27:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 11:27:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 45647 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 11:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 11:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 11:27:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.10.67] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2001 11:27:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:27:27 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: pills bought Message-ID: <9568ev+36ot@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 26 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net 3 red bought; PDP updated From m.couchman@bigwig.net Tue Jan 30 03:53:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 11:53:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 45565 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 11:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 11:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 11:53:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.10.109] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2001 11:52:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:52:55 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: point of order: Proposals Message-ID: <9569un+u4jf@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 765 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net rule 3 says that "A Proposal consists of one or more new proposed Rules, and/or one or more amendments to existing Rules, and/or one or more proposed repeals of existing Rules. " But it also says "Only one proposal is allowed per email message. If more than one proposal is included in an email message, all proposals in that message will be ignored." The first of those quotes says that a proposal can contain any number of proposed rule changes. Thus, by definition, all rule changes within a single posting comprise a single proposal. The second section quoted above is therefore redundant, as it's not possible to have more than one proposal per message. Should this section be struck out, or should theree be a narrower definition of 'proposal'? From m.couchman@bigwig.net Tue Jan 30 03:59:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 11:59:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 42944 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 11:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 11:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 11:59:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.225] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2001 11:59:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:59:17 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Proposal: New rule (Definitions) Message-ID: <956aal+7dh1@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 214 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: m.couchman@bigwig.net Add a rule with the following text: The following definitions apply throughout this ruleset: Day: A day starts and ends at midnight, Pacific Standard Time, that being the time used on the Yahoo Groups website. From m.couchman@bigwig.net Tue Jan 30 05:46:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 13:46:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 49862 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 13:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 13:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 13:46:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.10.68] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2001 13:46:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:45:59 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: bought 3 g pills Message-ID: <956gin+hkel@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 18 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: "Martin Couchman" ..and updated pdp From m.couchman@bigwig.net Tue Jan 30 06:24:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: m.couchman@bigwig.net X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 14:24:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 89283 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 14:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 14:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk.egroups.com) (10.1.1.30) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 14:23:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: m.couchman@bigwig.net Received: from [10.1.2.52] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2001 14:23:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:23:40 -0000 To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The defenseless dead Message-ID: <956ipc+oc3q@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <954mvf+l2oa@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 561 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.156.162.120 From: "Martin Couchman" > Perhaps we should revisit the alternates for player discussed > earlier, i.e. "Patient", "Comotose Patient", and "Corpse". I don't > really want to change "Player" to "Patient" throughout the rules, but > it looks like we're going to have to change "player" to "active > player" anyway...... > > Feyd How about defining player as meaning "active player", except where explicitly stated otherwise (e.g. "non-dead player")? That would fit neatly in my "definitions" proposal, if accepted, and would save a lot of unecessary use of the word 'active'. From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 30 09:01:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 17:01:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 14806 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 16:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 16:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 16:51:41 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00906801@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:51:40 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA26104; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:51:39 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Broken Legwork References: <954alt+qqf3@eGroups.com> Date: 30 Jan 2001 11:51:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Kevan Davis"'s message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:53:01 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 45 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Kevan Davis" writes: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposal - Broken Legwork > > [[ Just a bit of tidying up, really, as well as clarifying the > operation location in the place where people are most likely to > read it. > > Assumption made: the leg-breaking of a random Player, on a > die roll of 100, should probably be "random Player in the same > room". ]] > > Reword the Broken Leg Injury to:- > > A Player with a Broken Leg loses 3 Body Points whenever they move > from one room to another, and 10 Body Points during the Surgeon's > Office Hours. > > A Broken Leg can be operated on by the Surgeon for 250 Cash. The > Nurse may operate on the Surgeon's Broken Leg for the same fee. > > A Player may give another Player a Broken Leg by Attacking them, > provided they share a Room. An Attack involves paying 5 Soul and 5 > Body and rolling a 100-sided die (in the PDP). According to the > result of that roll:- > > 01-25 : The Attacked Player gets a Broken Leg. > 26-40 : Both Attacking and Attacked Players get a Broken Leg. > 41-50 : The Attacking Player gets a broken leg > 51-99 : Nothing happens. > 100 : A random Player in the same Room as the Attacker gets a > Broken Leg. > > A Player with a Broken Leg may not Attack other Players. > > Also replace "if he or she can afford the operation" with "if he > or she can afford the operation, and if he or she is in the > Trauma Center with the operating Player". APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 30 09:04:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 17:04:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 32562 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 16:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 16:54:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 16:54:50 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.0090684D@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:53:47 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA26565; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:53:46 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Improved Emergency Doc Replacement References: Date: 30 Jan 2001 11:53:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:11:44 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > I take one red pill. PDP updated. > > Amend "Doc" by striking the last paragraph and replacing it with > the following text: > > In the event that Doc is absent from the game for a period of more than > three weeks without making arrangements for his return, the active players > may choose a new Doc. They register their preference by election, each > active player having one vote each. The Nurse oversees the process, and > appoints as the new Doc the active player receiving the most votes. In > the event of a tie, the Nurse may appoint one of those receiving the > highest number of votes. The active player so appointed must immediately > remove themselves from the game and take on the role of Doc. APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 30 09:06:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 17:06:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 32622 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 16:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 16:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 16:54:51 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00906864@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:54:10 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA26683; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:54:08 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Player Definitions References: Date: 30 Jan 2001 11:54:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:16:17 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > I take 1 red pill. PDP updated. > > Amend "Players" by appending the following paragraph: > > A living player is defined as a player who is not dead. An active player > is defined as a living player who does not have the coma disease. APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 30 09:06:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 17:06:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 32694 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 16:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 16:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 16:54:52 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00906886@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:54:43 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA26806; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:54:42 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: No Undead Proposing References: Date: 30 Jan 2001 11:54:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:19:45 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > I take one red pill. PDP updated. > > Amend "Proposals" by striking the word "Players" from the first > paragraph and replacing it with "Active players". APPROVED. 1 green. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 30 09:12:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 17:12:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 42426 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 17:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 17:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 18:02:09 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00906972@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:01:04 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA28059; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:01:03 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Wages Only for the Active References: Date: 30 Jan 2001 12:01:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:29:35 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > I take one red pill. PDP updated. > > Amend "Body, Soul, and Cash" by striking the first occurence of > the word "Player" from the third paragraph and replacing it with "active > player". REJECTED. The paragraph in question is: Any Player may collect their Wages if they have not already done so since Doc's most recent Office Hours. Upon doing so, that Player may gain 240 Cash, via the Player Details page. Collecting wages is, I think, clearly "taking part in the game" and is therefore already prohibited to dead players. So I regard this amendment as unnecessary. On the other hand, the preceding paragraph is Whenever a new Player joins the game, Doc shall give them a hundred Body Points, a thousand Cash Points, and Soul Points equal to the average Soul Points of all other Players (rounded down). That, I think, *is* a usage of "Player" that needs amending. Jeff has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 30 09:12:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 17:12:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 53431 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 17:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 17:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 17:01:54 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00906986@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:01:53 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA28208; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:01:52 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Only Active Players as Officers References: Date: 30 Jan 2001 12:01:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Weston"'s message of "Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:51:13 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 45 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu "Jeffrey J. Weston" writes: > I take one red pill. PDP updated. > > Amend "Pharmacist" by striking the phrase "A player" from the > first paragraph and replacing it with "An active player". > > Amend "Officers" by striking the phrase "a player" from the second > paragraph and replacing it with "an active player". > > Amend "Nurse" by striking the phrase "A player" from the first > paragraph and replacing it with "An active player". > > Amend "The Epidemiologist" as follows: Rename the rule to > "Epidemiologist". Strike the first sentence from the second > paragraph. Create a new paragraph at the beginning of the rule with the > following text: > > An active player shall hold the office of Epidemiologist. The identity of > the Epidemiologist shall be part of the gamestate. > > Amend "Psychiatrist" as follows: Strike the last sentence of the > first paragraph and replace it with: "The Psychiatrist performs his or her > work in the Psychiatric Ward". Create a new paragraph at the beginning of > the rule with the following text: > > An active player shall hold the office of Psychiatrist. The identity of > the Psychiatrist shall be part of the gamestate. > > Amend "The Surgeon" as follows: Rename the rule to > "Surgeon". Strike the first sentence from the second paragraph. Create a > nwe paragraph at the beginning of the rule with the following text: > > An active player shall hold the office of Surgeon . The identity of the > Surgeon shall be part of the gamestate. > > Amend "Hospital Building Engineer" by striking the phrase "A > player" from the first paragraph and replacing it with "An active player". -5 SP. APPROVED. 1 green, FoR cured. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 30 09:23:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 17:23:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 49882 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 17:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 17:11:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 17:11:57 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00906ACF@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:11:57 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA00835; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:11:56 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: Rule changes pertaining to party poppers and their use References: <9567la+7u94@eGroups.com> Date: 30 Jan 2001 12:11:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:13:46 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 124 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > Sorry this is another long one. I tried to keep it short, but it just > kept growing. Ahem. The essential idea is short, but it requires > several trivial amendments throughout the rules. > > ============================== > > Amendment to rule 32: Hospital rooms. > > Add this room: > > Locker room. Has a two-way connection with the hospital Entrance. > The locker room contains one locker for each live player. A > player may, when in the locker room, pay 80 cash to briefly open eir > locker, and may then remove items from the locker, or add items to it > that e is carrying. Items belonging to a player that have not been > put in a locker are being carried by that player. No player may gain > access to any other player¡¦s locker. When a player adds item(s) to, > or removes item(s) from, a locker, e must post to the mailing list, > stating what items have been added or removed, and the contents of > the locker after the transaction. > > > Proposed new rule. Party Poppers. > > The quantity of Party Poppers possessed by each Player is part of the > gamestate. When a Player joins the game, they have no Party Poppers. > When an active player (the ¡¥attacker¡¦) is in the same room as > another active player, and is carrying a Party Popper, e may fire the > popper at the other player, or at a nominated player if there is more > than one. The fired-at player (the ¡¥victim) is so surprised that e > drops 20% of each type of pill that e is carrying (rounded to nearest > integer). The attacker takes up to two pills of each type from those > dropped. Any remaining dropped pills are distributed equally among > all active players in the room as they scrabble round the floor for > them, with any left over going to the attacker. > > These changes must be posted to the mailing list, and the victim must > give the appropriate pills to the other player(s) involved via the > PDP. > > The Party Popper is destroyed when it is fired. > Party Poppers may not be fired in the Locker Room. > > > Amendments to allow for party poppers to exist: > > Amend rule 9 (Pharmacist): > -to the list of actions to be performed, add as the fourth item: > „h Add one Party Popper to the Pharmacy stocks. > > > Amend rule 24. (Pharmacy) > -Amend the first sentence to read ¡§The Pharmacy sells > pharmaceuticals, and other items, to players for cash. > -To the list of items stocked, add > „h Party Poppers > > -Amend the penultimate paragraph (starting ¡§The price for purchasing > and sellng pills > ¡K¡¨) to read, in full: > > ¡§The price for any item that is sold by the pharmacy is part of the > gamestate, maintained by the Pharmacist, and stored in a Yahoo! > Groups database. The quantities of these items are limited. The > quantity of each item remaining is part of the gamestate, maintained > by the Pharmacist, and stored in an Yahoo! Groups database. Pamphlets > are printed to order. ¡§ > > -Before the last paragraph, add a new paragraph: > Party Poppers are sold for 80 cash, and bought back for 50 cash. > > {I was going to have a variable price, as for pills, but that can > wait for another proposal. I think it¡¦s OK for the pharmacy to > diversify a little..} > > > > Amendments to clarify the difference between pills (or other items) > being carried, and items in the locker: > > To rule 8 (pills). > > Amend sentence 1 of para 3 ("A Player may take or discard a Pill they > possess, at any time, via the Player Details page.") to read: > ¡§A player may take or discard a pill they are carrying at any time, > via the Player Details Page.¡¨ > > To rule 24 (Pharmacy). > Amend the fourth sentence ("Players may also sell unused items in > their possession back to the Pharmacy for cash") to read: ¡§Players > may also sell unused items that they are carrying back to the > Pharmacy for cash.¡¨ > > To rule 27. (trading post) > After the first sentence (¡§A player may give another player cash, > pills, or pamphlets at any time, as long as the player has the item > in their possession to give¡¨) to read: > ¡§A player may give cash, pills, or pamphlets, that e is carrying, to > another player at any time.¡¨ REJECTED for a couple of reasons. (1) A rather petty one, I admit: this proposal is full of weird characters (¡§, which show up on my system as an inverted exclamation point and a squiggly thing of some sort) which I don't feel like editing. (2) All this elaborate machinery exists just to support a rather baroque means of redistributing pills. How much demand is there for pills, anyway? Does anyone really feel a need to get more other than by perks, wages, and purchasing? (That's not a rhetorical question. Doc isn't sure what the Players' priorities are.) (OK, in the case of the Addict, it *is* a rhetorical question.) All of which is not to say I wouldn't approve a re-edited version of this proposal, but I'd have to be persuaded there's a demand for it. Martin has FoR. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 30 09:29:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 17:29:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 98551 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 17:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 17:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 17:13:29 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00906AF2@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:13:28 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA01137; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:13:28 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] Proposal: amendment to rule 26 (blood bank) for new players References: <95684f+erk8@eGroups.com> Date: 30 Jan 2001 12:13:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:21:51 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > To the second paragraph, append the following: > > "An exception is made for new players, who do not lose 10 body points > if they have joined the game within the previous 28 days. -5 SP. APPROVED, although I think the thought can be incorporated into the rule more gracefully; I'll reword. 1 green. FoR cured. -- - Doc From rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu Tue Jan 30 09:29:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu X-Apparently-To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 30 Jan 2001 17:29:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 64368 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2001 17:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2001 17:17:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailer.syr.edu) (128.230.18.29) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Jan 2001 18:18:05 -0000 Received: from rodan.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00906B59@mailer.syr.edu>; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:17:00 -0500 Received: (from rsholmes@localhost) by rodan.syr.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA01686; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:16:59 -0500 (EST) To: DocNomic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DocNomic] point of order: Proposals References: <9569un+u4jf@eGroups.com> Date: 30 Jan 2001 12:16:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: m.couchman@bigwig.net's message of "Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:52:55 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 X-eGroups-From: rsholmes@MailBox.Syr.Edu (Richard S. Holmes) From: rsholmes@mailbox.syr.edu m.couchman@bigwig.net writes: > The first of those quotes says that a proposal can contain any number > of proposed rule changes. Thus, by definition, all rule changes > within a single posting comprise a single proposal. Nope. A mail message could contained (and has, in the past, contained) text of the form: PROPOSAL: