Subject: ackanomic Digest V4 #262
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ackanomic Digest	Tuesday, September 28 1999	Volume: 04  Issue: 262

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From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Resist Assimilation!
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 00:27:27 -0400 (EDT)

I'd like to mention for any who might have forgotten to vote amidst the
confusion that, if you want to continue playing with the "fat, bloated"
Ruleset, you should vote with all your might against Proposal 4373, which
will unambiguously turn us into Acka Lite.  (It'd be amusing to see AL
start a week and a half later than it thought, though. :-))

-Hubert

Go team! And don't come back! 

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From: Emperor Ai Pedrito <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Nominate yo bad self!
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:22:16 -0400 (EDT)

>El Presidente

The nominees are Emperor Ai! Pedrito! and Dragon Mage.  Reply to vote

>Le DeeJay

The only nominee was EA!P!

>Ille Scaremongerus

The only nominee was ThinMan, who is gone.  Scaremonger remains empty.  I
call for nominations for the office of ScareMonger.  Reply to nominate
yourself.

Spelling Exchequer is also empty.  Reply to nominate yourself.

I encourage the acting speaker K 2 to get us a new rule-harfer and a new
trinket-harfer.

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Elders
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:22:18 -0400 (EDT)

I nominate Alfvaen and ThinMan to the hall of elders, if they are not
already elders.

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Student (Scamology)
  Count Tabula * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Treasure-Harfer

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From: Emperor Ai Pedrito <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Indistinctly Vague
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:25:50 -0400 (EDT)

At 11:45 AM 9/26/99 -0400, you wrote:
>As acting speaker I declare the game state to be one of crisis.
>As acting president I issue the following crisis resolution document:
>
>Create a new rule numbered zero with the title "Ackanomic" and the text:
>'
>The game state of Ackanomic is adjusted to correspond to a game state
>where the effect of P4371 was to replace the text of rule one with its
>double-quote (") delimited text, modified by those actions people have
>undertaken (which were legal with respect to the resultant rule set) on
>the basis that this had already occurred.
>
>This rule takes precedence over all rules.
>'
>
>K 2
>prolly not acting speaker - shrug.
>
>I resign all offices I hold in an acting capacity.
> 

I challenge this CRD.  As Count Tabula, I start the hearing for this.

Reply to vote.  Valid votes are:

"The President is scamming us"  (no change)
"This will patch the crisis" (This CRD is applied)

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From: Emperor Ai Pedrito <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Nominate yo bad self!
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:27:59 -0400 (EDT)

>
>I encourage the acting speaker K 2 to get us a new rule-harfer and a new
>trinket-harfer.
> 

Errr... I meant acting Speaker E.A!P!.

Reply to nominate yourself for the offices of rule-harfer, trinket-harfer,
or OiCoRT.

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Acting rule-harfer thingie.
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:30:06 -0400 (EDT)

The bloated rules are up at www.ackanomic.org/~sten/rules/

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Student (Scamology)
  Count Tabula * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Treasure-Harfer

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 730 (tefka Clamshell Lawyer)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:25:32 -0400 (EDT)

It seems on one else cares enough to submit this... grumble.
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Call for Judgement 730 - September 28, 1999
Subject: Which Game?
Initiator: K 2 (28 Sep 1999 0:00 Acka)
Judge: Clamshell Lawyer
Judgement: 
 
Statement:
Rule 3 (Invoking Judgement) is currently part of the rule set.

Reasoning:
P4371 may have reduced the rule set to one rule... or it may not have.

From P4371:
"
This rule has precedence over all other rules.
...
The game state of Ackanomic is deemed to consist of 
this rule and those persons who were Players...
"
 
As a set of one time actions, I believe this quoted text manages to
manipulate the game state such that the proposal entity numbered 4371
became a rule entity. If the term "this" unambiguously refers to the
entity that contained it ie P4371 then the phrase "this rule" is an
implicit admission that "this" is a rule (possibly in addition to
whatever else it may have been).

The text {{This dog is a mouse. It is Green.}} if it were contained
within a dog would make it (in the context of Ackanomic) a mouse, as
would the text {{This mouse is green.}}.

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elders
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:31:11 -0400 (EDT)

Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
> 
> I nominate Alfvaen 

Alfvaen is already.

> and ThinMan to the hall of elders, if they are not
> already elders.

I second this - goodness knows how many players are needed.

> 
> -- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
>  Crazy French-Scotsman * Student (Scamology)
>   Count Tabula * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Treasure-Harfer

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From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elders
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:22:58 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> I nominate Alfvaen and ThinMan to the hall of elders, if they are not
> already elders.

I second ThinMan's nomination (Alfvaen already is) and nominate
Quoth/TGW/Rambo/Tambourine/Alice/(S)He of Many Names as well.

-Hubert

Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig's Disease. How could you not see that 
coming? -Dennis Leary 

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From: "Gavin Logan" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elders
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:33:37 -0400 (EDT)

I support ThinMan's nomination for the Hall of Elders.

Cthulhu

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From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elders
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:43:29 -0400 (EDT)

>I second ThinMan's nomination (Alfvaen already is) and nominate
>Quoth/TGW/Rambo/Tambourine/Alice/(S)He of Many Names as well.
>
I support both of these.

BLMP.

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From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elders
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:09:20 -0400 (EDT)

>>I second ThinMan's nomination (Alfvaen already is) and nominate
>>Quoth/TGW/Rambo/Tambourine/Alice/(S)He of Many Names as well.
>>
>I support both of these.
>
>BLMP.

I also support both.

CnH

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From: "Elio M. Garcia, Jr." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elders
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:00:14 -0400 (EDT)

"Gavin M. Doig" wrote:
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> >I second ThinMan's nomination (Alfvaen already is) and nominate
> >Quoth/TGW/Rambo/Tambourine/Alice/(S)He of Many Names as well.

	I support both nominations as well.

	Reductio

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From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Indistinctly Vague
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:00:24 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Emperor Ai Pedrito wrote:
> At 11:45 AM 9/26/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >As acting speaker I declare the game state to be one of crisis.
> >As acting president I issue the following crisis resolution document:
> >
> >Create a new rule numbered zero with the title "Ackanomic" and the text:
> >'
> >The game state of Ackanomic is adjusted to correspond to a game state
> >where the effect of P4371 was to replace the text of rule one with its
> >double-quote (") delimited text, modified by those actions people have
> >undertaken (which were legal with respect to the resultant rule set) on
> >the basis that this had already occurred.
> >
> >This rule takes precedence over all rules.
> >'
> >
> >K 2
> >prolly not acting speaker - shrug.
> >
> >I resign all offices I hold in an acting capacity.
> > 
> 
> I challenge this CRD.  As Count Tabula, I start the hearing for this.

Unfortunately, this Challenge was *not* issued within 3 days of the CRD
having been issued, and thus this CRD took effect.

--JT

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From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Indistinctly Vague
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:07:32 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, JT wrote:
> > I challenge this CRD.  As Count Tabula, I start the hearing for this.
> 
> Unfortunately, this Challenge was *not* issued within 3 days of the CRD
> having been issued, and thus this CRD took effect.

I am an idiot.   Today is the 28th, not the 29th.
This challenge was in fact valid.

--JT

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From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4371 NULL.
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:05:33 -0400 (EDT)

ThinMan wrote:

> I have to agree that P 4371 was, if not null, ineffective.  It is clear,
> however, that the point is moot.  Fat-ackanomic is dead, whether because
> of self destruction or by rebirth as kernel Ackanomic. 

First, let me apologize to those of you who have gotten this message
twice (having just weeded through 500 Ackamails, I understand :-)).  
I'd like to make two points, though, FWIW.  

First of all, the proposal I sent to the main list on the 16th called
"Kernel" in an attempt to submit to the promoter attempted to contain the
following as part of the proposal, near the top, right after the '='
customary delimiters:
 
> Change rule 1's text to this: [...];

[My copy of this e-mail in both my send and receive folder has this
text (I considered the text of the proposal to be everything after the
word "Text:"; this seems like a reasonable interpretation unless the rules
say otherwise)] -- and that the e-mail labeled Proposal 4371, distributed 
on the 17th has this text missing.  This difference seems to have not 
entered into the ongoing discussions; I'm not sure if it needs to or 
not.

Secondly, it seems to me that the _nomicky_ thing to do is to continue
playing the game started by Ackers in 1996 called Ackanomic, to
continue to call it Ackanomic, and to attempt to determine as close as
possible what its game state is.

Anyway, call me Malenkai in any thread, and I think I'll stay on vacation
in the threads where vacations matter until this sorts itself out, and 
would hope that in the kernel game something as bloated and unnecessary
as vacation rules never get enacted :-)

-- 
Randy "the mapsurfer"
Orienteer * Letterboxer * Globetrotter
http://www.letterboxing.org/faq.html

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