Subject: ackanomic Digest V4 #251
From: [email-masked]
To: ackanomic digest users <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:00:02 -0400 (EDT)

ackanomic Digest	Friday, September 17 1999	Volume: 04  Issue: 251

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Subject: Acka: Hat
From: Joseph DeVincentis <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:04:59 -0400 (EDT)

I reveal this agenda hat:

J7.  It is publicly knowable that the owner of this hat has been slain by
     an elf in a game of Ackan Role Playing and "Slain By Elf" by Uresei
     Yatsura was the last song played on the ASS by the owner of this
     eggplant.

And I give hat J15 to the Mad Hatters, and I get A$1 for doing so.

/dev/joe

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From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:45:29 -0400 (EDT)

Malenkai wrote:
>I do not know who the promoter is, nor do I know if sending
>to the bot would be legal, nor do I know if figuring either of 
>those things out would be interesting, so if the promoter 
>receives this, and the submission complies with all the rules,
>e should consider it a proposal submission and send it out
>for a vote :).  (Normally I would wait, but I leave for
>vacation for a while shortly).
>

For approximately the same reasons, plus a camping trip that returns me
home on Monday evening, I make the following votes, here and now and publicly:

#vote 4366 +61
#vote 4367 +60
#vote 4368 -59
#vote 4369 -60
#vote 4370 +60

Studge

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From: "Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4365 accepted
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:32:31 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, JT wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 [email-masked] wrote:
> > Proposal 4365
> [snip]
> > Acceptance Index: 32.0: proposal accepted
> [snip]
> >   Red Mao Gang          200    -100 ==> 4554
> 
> I think I should have vote 160 instead :)
> 
> >  Quoth the Raven gains a winning condition.
> 
> Claiming this will be amusing to see.  There is no rule which grants him a
> winning condition, it was a one-time effect.
> 
> >  IdiotBoy is expelled from the game.
> >  
> >  Red Mao Gang is granted the offices Speaker, Web-Harfer, Trinket-Harfer,
> >  President, Herald, Treasure-Harfer, Promoter, Tabulator, Rule-Harfer,
> >  Count Tabula, Dungeon Master, Summarizer, Registrar, Clerk of the Court,
> >  Map Harfer, DeeJay, Scaremonger, and Spelling Exchequer
> 
> Hmmmm.  I gain an Edam if I don't already have one.
> 
> As ScareMonger, I inform you that we are all too screwed up for words.
> I mean really, ME the person who's been ditching offices left right and
> sideways is now the sole harfer for Ackanomic AND the scaremonger?  We're
> doomed, dooomed I tell you!!!

Actually, you got granted the Offices.  Does this mean you were made to
hold them, or made to own them?  Yes, offices are unownable, but the
one-time effect would be able to override that.

It makes a lot more sense and a lot less chaos if it is decreed that being
granted the offices is a transfer of ownership, and the holders of those
offices still hold them.

Then there's the other question - what happened to the existing holders?
RMG was granted the offices - does that implicitly remove the existing
holders from any seats?  That doesn't seem to be justifiable - as the
nature of offices _in general_ does not say that one person being granted
the office necessarily forces someone else out.

I would claim that either (a) RMG never started holding the offices, or
(b) he did, but the rule did not remove other office holders (that would
be a manipulation not explicitly stated by the rule, and therefore one
which did not happen), and hence for the short period before RMG resigned
there would have been offices with one Seat but two holders (the rules
specify no way of removing one of these people).

> I resign from the offices of Speaker, Web-Harfer, Trinket-Harfer, 
> President, Herald, Treasure-Harfer, Promoter, Tabulator, Rule-Harfer,
> Count Tabula, Dungeon Master, Summarizer, Registrar, Clerk of the Court,
> Map Harfer, DeeJay, Scaremonger, and Spelling Exchequer.

Yours,
Slakko
Ackanomic Ph.D.(Custom), Ph.D.(Harf.), Ph.D.(Hist.), Ph.D.(INR),
Ph.D.(Juris.), Ph.D.(Leg.), Ph.D.(Scam.), Ph.D.(T.H.)

I change my name to Doctor Slakko.

-- 
Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/
Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory
Insert random funny line here.

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: T194
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:38:35 -0400 (EDT)

I give rufus exactly one $A.

K 2

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:53:06 -0400 (EDT)

Randy Hall wrote:
> 
> I do not know who the promoter is, nor do I know if sending
> to the bot would be legal

I seem to be the Acting promotor until the speaker election finishes and
as acting promotor I state that I shall be recieving votes and proposal
submissions for the time being at [email-masked]
[email-masked] - when /devjoe ummm whoever happens to become
promotor/tabulator I'm sure thay will lets us know where to send the
votes and stuff :-)

K 2

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Double Dissolution
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:53:15 -0400 (EDT)

JT wrote:

As acting President I call for nominations for the following possisions:

Web-Harfer, Trinket-Harfer, Herald, Treasure-Harfer, Promoter,
Tabulator, Rule-Harfer, Count Tabula, Dungeon Master, Summarizer,
Registrar, Clerk of the Court, Map Harfer, Spelling Exchequer

As acting Count Tabula I call and start elections for the following
offices:

President, DeeJay and Scaremonger.

K 2

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From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4365 accepted
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:58:14 -0400 (EDT)

Slakko wrote (in response to RMG):

>Actually, you got granted the Offices.  Does this mean you were made to
>hold them, or made to own them?  Yes, offices are unownable, but the
>one-time effect would be able to override that.
>
>It makes a lot more sense and a lot less chaos if it is decreed that being
>granted the offices is a transfer of ownership, and the holders of those
>offices still hold them.

Less chaos, I can hardly disagree, but I'm not sure it makes more sense.  
That everyone [else] seems to have interpreted that provision to put RMG in
those offices is a good argument for that interpretation making more sense.

>Then there's the other question - what happened to the existing holders?
>RMG was granted the offices - does that implicitly remove the existing
>holders from any seats?  That doesn't seem to be justifiable - as the
>nature of offices _in general_ does not say that one person being granted
>the office necessarily forces someone else out.

Well, there is this bit from Rule 6, part (i):

	A Seat is either held by one Player or it is vacant.

Let's explore that.  Suppose we decide that P 4365 caused RMG to hold all
those offices without causing the previous holders to stop holding them.
This would require overriding rule 6 to cause the change to an otherwise
illegal game state.  But as soon as the change is performed, there ceases
to be any overriding authority, and rule 6 comes back into full force,
declaring that it is _not_ the case that two players hold any one seat in
an office.  The only alternatives, according to rule 6, are that one player
holds it or none does.

Interesting.  It is not obvious to me that the rules or game state are clear
about which of those two alternatives would apply, and, if it were the case
that one player held the office, it is not clear to me which player it would
be.  And you thought we had chaos with the interpretation we were using
before!

>I would claim that either (a) RMG never started holding the offices, or
>(b) he did, but the rule did not remove other office holders (that would
>be a manipulation not explicitly stated by the rule, and therefore one
>which did not happen), and hence for the short period before RMG resigned
>there would have been offices with one Seat but two holders (the rules
>specify no way of removing one of these people).

(a) would be nice, but I don't agree with it.
(b) as I described above, is untenable.  At least, it wouldn't work the way
    you suggest.

>Ackanomic Ph.D.(Custom), Ph.D.(Harf.), Ph.D.(Hist.), Ph.D.(INR),
>Ph.D.(Juris.), Ph.D.(Leg.), Ph.D.(Scam.), Ph.D.(T.H.)

Oh, and from rule 4-5:

   Each time a player gets a degree in some major they get the lowest
   degree they do not already have in that major among BA, MA and PhD
   (where the degrees are listed lowest to highest). Degrees are Titles.

The way I read it, P4365 gave you one (1) degree in each major (except
visionary), which would make all those degrees BAs, except in any field
were you already had a BA.

ThinMan

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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:00:13 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, K 2 wrote:

> Randy Hall wrote:
> > 
> > I do not know who the promoter is, nor do I know if sending
> > to the bot would be legal
> 
> I seem to be the Acting promotor until the speaker election finishes and
> as acting promotor I state that I shall be recieving votes and proposal
> submissions for the time being at [email-masked]
> [email-masked] - when /devjoe ummm whoever happens to become
> promotor/tabulator I'm sure thay will lets us know where to send the
> votes and stuff :-)

I guess we need to get /dev/joe to get the bot to send malenkai's prop out
then?  

mr_no_pop_culture

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From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:04:49 -0400 (EDT)

>I guess we need to get /dev/joe to get the bot to send malenkai's prop out
>then?  
>
>mr_no_pop_culture

Yes and no.  K 2 could simply number it and remail it to the list to legally
distribute it.  However, ackabot would not accept votes for it in that case.

ThinMan

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Double Dissolution
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:08:35 -0400 (EDT)

K 2 wrote:
> 
> JT wrote:
> 
> As acting President I call for nominations for the following possisions:
> 
> Web-Harfer, Trinket-Harfer, Herald, Treasure-Harfer, Promoter,
> Tabulator, Rule-Harfer, Count Tabula, Dungeon Master, Summarizer,
> Registrar, Clerk of the Court, Map Harfer, Spelling Exchequer

I smack myself for my stupidity.

Simultaneously I make:

Slakko acting Web-Harfer and acting Map-Harfer
EA!P! acting Trinket Harfer, acting Herald, acting DM and acting Rule
Harfer
Quoth acting Treasure-Harfer and acting Registrar
/dev/joe acting Promotor and acting Tabulator
ThinMan is acting Spelling Exchequer
Cuthulu is acting Count Tabulator

Silence is deemed consent :-)

I call for the following elections:

> President, DeeJay and Scaremonger.

The new presendent can award the offices :-) 

K 2

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Double Dissolution
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:20:10 -0400 (EDT)

K 2 wrote:
> 

> > As acting President I call for nominations for the following possisions:
> >
> > Web-Harfer, Trinket-Harfer, Herald, Treasure-Harfer, Promoter,
> > Tabulator, Rule-Harfer, Count Tabula, Dungeon Master, Summarizer,
> > Registrar, Clerk of the Court, Map Harfer, Spelling Exchequer
> 
> The new presendent can award the offices :-)

Incase I've confused everyone else to the same degree I've confused
myself - I'm still acting president so you should still send your
nominations for the above to me.

> I smack myself for my stupidity.

I do this agin just to make sure.

> 
> 
> 
> K 2

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From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4365 accepted
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:29:13 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer wrote:
> It makes a lot more sense and a lot less chaos if it is decreed that being
> granted the offices is a transfer of ownership, and the holders of those
> offices still hold them.

So you are claiming that I held the office rather than the seat?  I
suppose I can see that.  However, the same rule that defines offices says
this 'A player may not acquire offices except as specified by the rules.'
This could be seen as making 'office' and 'seat in an office'
interchangeable.  And in fact the rest of the rules seem to treat them
this was as well (for offices with only one seat).

> Then there's the other question - what happened to the existing holders?
> RMG was granted the offices - does that implicitly remove the existing
> holders from any seats?  That doesn't seem to be justifiable - as the
> nature of offices _in general_ does not say that one person being granted
> the office necessarily forces someone else out.

Actually, it does depending on the number of seats.   A seat is held by
only one person or is vacant.

> I would claim that either (a) RMG never started holding the offices, or
> (b) he did, but the rule did not remove other office holders (that would
> be a manipulation not explicitly stated by the rule, and therefore one
> which did not happen), and hence for the short period before RMG resigned
> there would have been offices with one Seat but two holders (the rules
> specify no way of removing one of these people).

I'm willing to concede that a) is possible, but if b) is the actual state,
then I believe that Rule 6, section i, which says 'A Seat is either
held by one Player or it is vacant.'

I don't think a) is very likely however.   The rule 'granted' me the
office.   Since the game state knows that offices and in fact seats are
unownable, the only interpretation of that statement consistant with game
state and custom is that I then held the seats to those offices.

--JT

-- 
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[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Yeah, yeah
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:43:54 -0400 (EDT)

I give Red Mao Gang A$1.
I give mr. no pop culture A$1
-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Student (Scamology)

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From: Rachel L Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Double Dissolution
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:59:15 -0400 (EDT)

K 2 wrote:

> Slakko acting Web-Harfer and acting Map-Harfer
> EA!P! acting Trinket Harfer, acting Herald, acting DM and acting Rule
> Harfer
> Quoth acting Treasure-Harfer and acting Registrar
> /dev/joe acting Promotor and acting Tabulator
> ThinMan is acting Spelling Exchequer
> Cuthulu is acting Count Tabulator
> 
> Silence is deemed consent :-)

Well, although I'm consenting for now I don't plan on nominating myself
for these offices because:
a. I haven't been doing a very good job of them recently
b. I go off to university in two and a half weeks and don't know howmuch
internet access/free time I'm going to have.

Quoth.

-- 
Rachel Walmsley. [email-masked] ICQ: 2925739
Personal page - http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
The Doh! Zone - http://www.dohzone.uk.eu.org/
Ahab says, "I don't care who you are, here's to your dream!"

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From: Rachel L Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Gift
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:59:15 -0400 (EDT)

I give the Red Mao Gang a gift of precisely 1 (one) Ackadollar.

Quoth the Raven.

-- 
Rachel Walmsley. [email-masked] ICQ: 2925739
Personal page - http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
The Doh! Zone - http://www.dohzone.uk.eu.org/
Ahab says, "I don't care who you are, here's to your dream!"

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From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: joining the party
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:06:45 -0400 (EDT)

I give Red Mao Gang A$1.

ThinMan

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From: Rachel L Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:26:04 -0400 (EDT)

Gavin Logan wrote:
> 
> >It has been indicated to me privately that the following players are off in
> >Fairy Land:
> >
> >404 Not Found
> >and
> >Kane
> >Pure Haste
> >Robert Sevin
> >
> >They have all been privately notified and if they do not reply within three
> >days, their location will be changed to Fairy Land and they will go on
> >Vacation.
> >
> 
> Pure Haste replied to this message. The others did not. Therefore, things
> happen. Strange, unknowable, sick, twisted, godless, eerie things.

If my understanding of the rules is correct, 404 Not Found, and, Kane
and Robert Sevin have all now gone on ice. I nominate Robert Sevin for
the Hall of Elders. I support this nomination.

Quoth

-- 
Rachel Walmsley. [email-masked] ICQ: 2925739
Personal page - http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
The Doh! Zone - http://www.dohzone.uk.eu.org/
Ahab says, "I don't care who you are, here's to your dream!"

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From: Rachel L Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New Observer
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:26:12 -0400 (EDT)

We have a new observer, writing from the email address
[email-masked] and the name Uncle Don Ross. Welcome.

Quoth, acting Registrar

-- 
Rachel Walmsley. [email-masked] ICQ: 2925739
Personal page - http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
The Doh! Zone - http://www.dohzone.uk.eu.org/
Ahab says, "I don't care who you are, here's to your dream!"

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From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:33:49 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Rachel L Walmsley wrote:
> > Pure Haste replied to this message. The others did not. Therefore, things
> > happen. Strange, unknowable, sick, twisted, godless, eerie things.
> 
> If my understanding of the rules is correct, 404 Not Found, and, Kane
> and Robert Sevin have all now gone on ice. I nominate Robert Sevin for
> the Hall of Elders. I support this nomination.

I had thought he was already, but if not, I also support this nomination.

--JT

-- 
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[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:36:45 -0400 (EDT)

> > If my understanding of the rules is correct, 404 Not Found, and, Kane
> > and Robert Sevin have all now gone on ice. I nominate Robert Sevin for
> > the Hall of Elders. I support this nomination.
> 
> I had thought he was already, but if not, I also support this nomination.
> 

If this is true.. I do, as well.

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: joining the party
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:44:31 -0400 (EDT)

John Bollinger wrote:
> 
> I give Red Mao Gang A$1.
> 
> ThinMan

I give ThinMan A$1

K 2

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:45:36 -0400 (EDT)

JT wrote:
> I nominate Robert Sevin for
> > the Hall of Elders. I support this nomination.
> 
> I had thought he was already, but if not, I also support this nomination.

I support Robert Sevin aka Tin Observer's nomination as Elder - IIRC
this is the first time e has left...

K 2

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Jam
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:46:46 -0400 (EDT)

I give Red Mao Gang (JT) A$1.

K 2

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From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:59:08 -0400 (EDT)

I support Robert Sevin's nomination to the Hall of Elders.

Also, if my calculations are correct, Robert Sevin going On Ice makes
me Third Cat.

ThinMan
Meow.

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From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:33:14 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, K 2 wrote:

> I support Robert Sevin aka Tin Observer's nomination as Elder - IIRC
> this is the first time e has left...

As do I.

-Hubert

Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 

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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:51:38 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Eric Plumb wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, K 2 wrote:
> 
> > I support Robert Sevin aka Tin Observer's nomination as Elder - IIRC
> > this is the first time e has left...
> 
> As do I.

rufus does too. <Big flashing neon sign for bhlind mountains:  I support
Robert Sevin aka Tin Observer's nomination as Elder.>

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From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Buck
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:31:13 -0400 (EDT)

I give Red Mao Gang A$1.

-- 
Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/
Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory
"I'm a good person.  It's the Internet's fault." -- Torg

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From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:31:45 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Eric Plumb wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, K 2 wrote:
> 
> > I support Robert Sevin aka Tin Observer's nomination as Elder - IIRC
> > this is the first time e has left...
> 
> As do I.

As I do.

-- 
Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/
Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory
"I'm a good person.  It's the Internet's fault." -- Torg

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From: "Elio M. Garcia, Jr." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Mo' Money
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:33:14 -0400 (EDT)

	I give Red Mao Gang A$1 with the injunction that he doesn't spend it
all in one place.
	
	Reductio

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From: Alexandre Owen Muniz <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:43:56 -0400 (EDT)

Duncan Richer wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Eric Plumb wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, K 2 wrote:
> >
> > > I support Robert Sevin aka Tin Observer's nomination as Elder - IIRC
> > > this is the first time e has left...
> >
> > As do I.
> 
> As I do.

I as do.

**two-star

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From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Buck Wild!
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:45:10 -0400 (EDT)

SInce he panhandles so nicely.. I give A$1 to rufus.

IB

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From: "Elio M. Garcia, Jr." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Even Mo' Money
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:47:01 -0400 (EDT)

	I give A$1 to rufus without the injunction of not spending it all in
one place, because he's more trustworthy than Red Mao Gang.

	Reductio

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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Buck Wild!
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:48:38 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Matt Miller wrote:

> SInce he panhandles so nicely.. I give A$1 to rufus.
> 
> IB

I give IB a nosesack of silver ore.

mr no pop culture.

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From: Emperor Ai!Pedrito! <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:16:42 -0400 (EDT)

At 12:26 PM 9/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Gavin Logan wrote:
>
>If my understanding of the rules is correct, 404 Not Found, and, Kane
>and Robert Sevin have all now gone on ice. I nominate Robert Sevin for
>the Hall of Elders. I support this nomination.
>
>Quoth

Err, wrong, i think.

Rule 10-1-5:

...
Players who are in Fairy Land are always considered to be On Vacation,
   unless they are On Ice.
...
A player who has been in Fairly Land
   continuously for seven days goes On Ice. Office bearers have a much
   lower tolerance for the sacred mushroom and go On Ice after only three
   days. Players who have not prepared themselves for the experience by
   voting, go On Ice immediately upon arrival.

Since Robert Sevin has voted, he is on vacation until 9/24.

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From: Rachel L Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:26:45 -0400 (EDT)

Emperor Ai!Pedrito! wrote:
> 
> At 12:26 PM 9/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Gavin Logan wrote:
> >
> >If my understanding of the rules is correct, 404 Not Found, and, Kane
> >and Robert Sevin have all now gone on ice. I nominate Robert Sevin for
> >the Hall of Elders. I support this nomination.
> >
> >Quoth
> 
> Err, wrong, i think.
> 
> Rule 10-1-5:
> 
> ...
> Players who are in Fairy Land are always considered to be On Vacation,
>    unless they are On Ice.
> ...
> A player who has been in Fairly Land
>    continuously for seven days goes On Ice. Office bearers have a much
>    lower tolerance for the sacred mushroom and go On Ice after only three
>    days. Players who have not prepared themselves for the experience by
>    voting, go On Ice immediately upon arrival.
> 
> Since Robert Sevin has voted, he is on vacation until 9/24.

Okay, my understanding is thus:

Rule 4-3:

"Any active player who has not performed a game action within the last
fourteen days (seven if they are an officer) is Off in Fairy Land. If
the speaker is made aware that a player is Off in Fairy Land, then the
Speaker shall ask that player if they wish to continue playing. For the
purposes of this rule, responding to such a request is considered a game
action. If the player fails to perform a game action within 3 days,
their location is changed to Fairy Land."

The message was sent on the 5th. Three days later, on the 8th, having
failed to respond to the message Robert Sevon (and the others) had their
location changed to fairy land. A week later, on the 15th they went on
ice, by the rule you quoted. If you disagree, please either explain why
I am being monumentally dumb, or cfj it :-)

Quoth.

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Subject: Acka: Elder Sevin
From: Joseph DeVincentis <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:34:13 -0400 (EDT)

I support the nomination of Robert Sevin, aka Tin Observer, to the
Hall of Elders.

/dev/joe

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From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Double Dissolution
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:40:16 -0400 (EDT)

> Silence is deemed consent :-)
Silence means approval.

sb.

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From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:41:27 -0400 (EDT)

>If my understanding of the rules is correct, 404 Not Found, and, Kane
>and Robert Sevin have all now gone on ice. I nominate Robert Sevin for
>the Hall of Elders. I support this nomination.
>
I support this nomination.

BLMP.

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From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:52:06 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, K 2 wrote:

> JT wrote:
> > I nominate Robert Sevin for
> > > the Hall of Elders. I support this nomination.
> > 
> > I had thought he was already, but if not, I also support this nomination.
> 
> I support Robert Sevin aka Tin Observer's nomination as Elder - IIRC
> this is the first time e has left...
> 
> 
> K 2

I also support this nomination.

Vynd

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From: "Aaron V. Humphrey" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Varicose
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:29:01 -0400 (EDT)

I give A$1 to Red Mao Gang.  (Danger Mago?)

I support Robert Sevin's notional induction into the Hall of Elders.

I would be willing to play YORL.

--
--Alfvaen(Web page:http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/)
Song In My Head--The dB's:Neverland
Current Book--Lynn Flewelling:Luck In The Shadows
I don't play air guitar.  I play water guitar.

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From: Emperor Ai!Pedrito! <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fairy Land
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:45:08 -0400 (EDT)

>The message was sent on the 5th. Three days later, on the 8th, having
>failed to respond to the message Robert Sevon (and the others) had their
>location changed to fairy land. A week later, on the 15th they went on
>ice, by the rule you quoted. If you disagree, please either explain why
>I am being monumentally dumb, or cfj it :-)

Gotcha.  I was counting from the wrong starting point.  I thought that the
message sent on the 15th was the message sent on the 8th.

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