Subject: ackanomic Digest V4 #250
From: [email-masked]
To: ackanomic digest users <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:00:01 -0400 (EDT)

ackanomic Digest	Thursday, September 16 1999	Volume: 04  Issue: 250

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From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Non-playerness.
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:02:08 -0400 (EDT)

As I am no longer a player, you'll need to find a new ref for Mediocrity.

I think all of my proposals will be removed from the queue, as well.  

I think I will also lose all of my "stuff", even tho I am an Elder.. since
I'm not On Ice, I'm just gone.

I'd like to get a full accounting of what happened to me and my stuff.. if
anyone cares enough to figure it out.

I note that I am NOT postal, cos I am not a player!

Matt

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: change of email
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:17:27 -0400 (EDT)

my server is just too icky.

I change my email address to [email-masked]

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer * Trinket-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Student (Scamology)

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From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: State Change.
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:18:15 -0400 (EDT)

A quick reading of the rules has convinced myself and others that I went
OnIce with my expulsion from the game.  If you have an alternative
interpretation, I urge you to make that case in a CFJ.. as quickly as
possible.

I change my state from on Ice to Voting.

IB
off to record new votes.

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From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4365 accepted
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:20:01 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 [email-masked] wrote:
> Proposal 4365
[snip]
> Acceptance Index: 32.0: proposal accepted
[snip]
>   Red Mao Gang          200    -100 ==> 4554

I think I should have vote 160 instead :)

>  Quoth the Raven gains a winning condition.

Claiming this will be amusing to see.  There is no rule which grants him a
winning condition, it was a one-time effect.

>  IdiotBoy is expelled from the game.
>  
>  Red Mao Gang is granted the offices Speaker, Web-Harfer, Trinket-Harfer,
>  President, Herald, Treasure-Harfer, Promoter, Tabulator, Rule-Harfer,
>  Count Tabula, Dungeon Master, Summarizer, Registrar, Clerk of the Court,
>  Map Harfer, DeeJay, Scaremonger, and Spelling Exchequer

Hmmmm.  I gain an Edam if I don't already have one.

As ScareMonger, I inform you that we are all too screwed up for words.
I mean really, ME the person who's been ditching offices left right and
sideways is now the sole harfer for Ackanomic AND the scaremonger?  We're
doomed, dooomed I tell you!!!

I resign from the offices of Speaker, Web-Harfer, Trinket-Harfer, 
President, Herald, Treasure-Harfer, Promoter, Tabulator, Rule-Harfer,
Count Tabula, Dungeon Master, Summarizer, Registrar, Clerk of the Court,
Map Harfer, DeeJay, Scaremonger, and Spelling Exchequer.

If I was assigned any Acting Offices by the previous (by stepping down in
the wrong order), I resign from any offices I hold in an acting capacity.

I believe this makes K 2 acting officer for all Upper Cabinet offices
since he is still financier.
I urge that nominations be held for all offices immediately.
I believe Chthulhu as Poet Laureate is the Acting officer for all lower
Cabinet offices.

>  Slakko is granted a degree in each major currently defined except
>  visionary.

Congratulations Slakko.

--JT, Red Mao Gang.

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From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4365 accepted
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:56:43 -0400 (EDT)

Red Mao Gang wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, John Bollinger wrote:
>> Now then, RMG, where is the rules summary?  Let's make it snappy!  And
>> what about the web pages?  When were they last updated?  And how about some
>> Scaremongering?  The people of Acka are very clearly lacking in the fear
>> department.
>> 
>> I transform A$10 into a trinket named "even more work".  Even more work is
>> a box, one meter on a side, filled from bottom to top with paperwork, e-mails,
>> voting results, trinket descriptions CFJs and a Hillary Rodham Clinton mask.
>>
>> I give even more work to Red Mao Gang.
>
>Had this not been done on research, I'd gladly accept it.
>And yes, rampant discordianism was the reason for my vote on that prop.

Well, it doesn't seem quite so appropriate any more.  But here, I transform
A$10 into a trinket named "Hillary Rodham Clinton mask".  The Hillary Rodham
Clinton mask is a full-head rubber mask in the likeness of Hillary Rodham
Clinton.  If it could actually be worn, then the wearer would be prone to
bouts of condescension and megalomania, and urges to sling ashtrays.

I give the Hillary Rodham Clinton mask to Red Mao Gang as a gift, for him to
remember his brief Scaremongering time.

ThinMan

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From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4365 accepted
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 14:59:40 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, John Bollinger wrote:
> Well, it doesn't seem quite so appropriate any more.  But here, I transform
> A$10 into a trinket named "Hillary Rodham Clinton mask".  The Hillary Rodham
> Clinton mask is a full-head rubber mask in the likeness of Hillary Rodham
> Clinton.  If it could actually be worn, then the wearer would be prone to
> bouts of condescension and megalomania, and urges to sling ashtrays.
> 
> I give the Hillary Rodham Clinton mask to Red Mao Gang as a gift, for him to
> remember his brief Scaremongering time.

Well, I thank you for this gift anyway.  I'll remember my time as
Scaremonger with great pride.

--JT

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From: "Bollinger, John Clayton" <[email-masked]>
Subject: (Acka:) RE: Non-playerness.
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:29:35 -0400 (EDT)

IdiotBoy wrote:

> As I am no longer a player, you'll need to find a new ref for Mediocrity.
> 
> I think all of my proposals will be removed from the queue, as well.  
> 
> I think I will also lose all of my "stuff", even tho I am an Elder.. since
> I'm not On Ice, I'm just gone.
> 
> I'd like to get a full accounting of what happened to me and my stuff.. if
> anyone cares enough to figure it out.
> 
> I note that I am NOT postal, cos I am not a player!
> 
I tend to agree with your original assessment -- you were
placed on ice, but did not become a non-player.  This comes
from the last paragraph of rule 4-2, and interpreting
"IdiotBoy is expelled from the game" as equivalent to
"IdiotBoy is removed from the game."  Lest anyone quibble
about whether rule 4-2 applies (on the basis that P4365 was
not a rule) I observe that rule 2-2 directed that the one-time
effects in P4365 be applied, including IB's expulsion.  That's
good enough for me.

That being said, it looks to me like if IB did actually become
a non-player through the action of P4365, then all entities
previously owned by him went Somewhere Else.  (c.f. R 7-1)
This includes all A$, mannna, cheeses, trinkets, medals, garments,
chemicals, ores, trophies, otzma cards, goose cards,
and probably a few other things.  I'm not sure about the
points, but that becomes mostly a non-issue as he would have
his score reset to zero upon rejoining the game.

ThinMan

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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4365 accepted
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:38:10 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, JT wrote:
> 
> I believe this makes K 2 acting officer for all Upper Cabinet offices
> since he is still financier.
> I urge that nominations be held for all offices immediately.

I urge that nominations not be held for those elections already underway.
When the current electiosn finish, they will be valid.
I vote Malenkai for speaker, since I dont' know who I should tell.

rufus

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Subject: Acka: Gift
From: Joseph DeVincentis <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:45:38 -0400 (EDT)

I give A$1 to mr. no pop culture

/dev/joe

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From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Proposal
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:06:18 -0400 (EDT)

I do not know who the promoter is, nor do I know if sending
to the bot would be legal, nor do I know if figuring either of 
those things out would be interesting, so if the promoter 
receives this, and the submission complies with all the rules,
e should consider it a proposal submission and send it out
for a vote :).  (Normally I would wait, but I leave for
vacation for a while shortly).

Title: Kernel
Text: 

[If you think about it, we need very few of the rules 
that we have to do what we do.  It also seems like alot
of uninteresting rules and framework and procedure and
the like can be eliminated, allowing us and prospective 
players to concentrate on the essence of what makes gaming
gaming, while retaining the nomic-like framework of 
self-modification.  Moreover, its my belief that prospective
players will be attracted if the ruleset is put on a diet
and all the boring stuff is put in a tiny kernel.

So ... lets clean up a bit (alot of which is my fault
anyway) and then add back in what we really like and want
some other day.  Not that I expect this to pass in a billion 
years ... :-)  but I've always wanted to do this.  Of 
course, the fun part is to think about it.  And I won't even
be here to vote on it; I wonder if a proposal has ever gotten
zero votes?]

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Change rule 1's text to this:

"
This rule has precedence over all other rules.  Text
delimited by square brackets is a note.  Notes have
no semantic meaning.

The game state of Ackanomic is deemed to consist of 
this rule and those persons who were Players the 
instant before the results of the proposal which 
amended this rule to its current form were reported, 
and nothing else, except the Player who was the 
Rule-Harfer on Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:47:05 [Emperor 
Ai! Pedrito!] is deemed to be the Speaker.  These
persons are known as Registered Players.

The instant after this rule becomes the only rule in 
the game state of Ackanomic, it is amended a) such 
that its entire text is replaced by the text below 
delimited by double dollar signs (excluding the 
delimiters); b) such that its title is "The Game
of Ackanomic"; and c) such that its number is 1.

[
$$

I.  Follow the Rules

All Registered Players (Players) must always abide 
by all the Rules then in effect, in the form in which
they are then in effect, and interpreted in accordance 
with customary English Language usage and semantics.

II.  The Game State

The Game State may only be changed, and shall only 
change, as described in the Rules.  The terms "Rules"
and "Game State" shall be interpreted to mean the 
Rules of Ackanomic and Game State of Ackanomic, 
respectively.

III.  The Game State is Platonic 

The Speaker shall attempt to keep an accurate track
of the facts of the Game State (View) and make eir 
View of it available to all Players.
 
IV.  Joining and Leaving

A Player may become a non-Player by sending a 
Public Message to that effect.  A non-Player may
become a Player by e-mailing eir intent to the 
Speaker or by sending a Public Message to that effect.

V.  Speaker Succession

Whenever any Player who is not the Speaker correctly 
points out in a Public Message that no Player is the 
Speaker, or that the Speaker has not sent a Public 
Message within the past 7 days, or that the Speaker 
has broken (or attempted to break) the Rules, then 
the notifying Player becomes the Speaker.  Alternatively,
the Speaker loses eir Speakership by either abdicating
or by appointing a successor in a Public Message.

VI.  Proposals

A Proposal is a list of proposed changes to the Game
State.  Any Player may make a Proposal by e-mailing 
its text to the Speaker (or to a bot designated by the 
Speaker).  Within 3 days of receipt of a Proposal, the
Speaker (or eir bot) shall assign an integer number
to the Proposal and send its text in a Public Message, 
at which time the Proposal is said to be in the Proposal 
Queue (Queue).

VII. Voting on Proposals

All Players may vote either Yes or No for any Proposal 
in the Queue by e-mailing eir vote to the Speaker (or to
a bot designated by the Speaker).  If a Player votes more 
than once on a particular Proposal, all but their most 
recent vote on that Proposal are disregarded.

VIII.  Accepting Proposals

Upon a Proposal being in the Queue for exactly 7 days, it
is either Accepted or Rejected and it is removed from the 
Queue.  At this time, a Proposal is Accepted if and only 
if a majority of the votes cast on it were Yes, and the 
Player who authored it did not vote No.  The Speaker (or
eir bot) shall report in a Public Message the status of
any Accepted Proposal within 3 days of it becoming Accepted;
its changes to the Game State are applied in the order they
are contained in the Proposal at the time of this report.

IX.  Calls for Judgment

Players may disagree with the Speaker's View of the Game
State by detailing the nature of their disagreement in a 
Public Message.  The Speaker shall attempt to adjust eir
View so that a consensus View is reached after hearing 
debate on the matter.  If a Player still disagrees with 
the Speaker's View, e may Call for Judgment on the matter
by detailing the essence of eir disagreement to all Players 
in another Public Message.  Players may publicly cast one
vote on the matter (along with any arguments they deem 
relevant), and the Speaker shall adjust eir View to the 
will of the expressed majority 3 days after the most 
recent vote has been cast, or 7 days after the Call was
made, whichever comes first, if there is a majority 
opinion on the matter.

X.  Public Messages

The Speaker may change the designation of the Official 
Mailing List in a Public Message.  In the absence of 
such a designation, [email-masked] shall be 
the Official Mailing List.  A Public Message is an 
e-mail sent to either all Players or to the Official 
Mailing List.
 
XI.  Miscellany

The Speaker may assign numbers and titles to Rules that 
do not have them.  E may also make spelling, grammar, 
formatting, and section numbering corrections, provided
such corrections do not change the meaning of the Rules.
If E makes such changes, e shall detail them in a 
Public Message.
$$
]
"

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From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: This Might Be Gizz
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:12:36 -0400 (EDT)

I go to Vulcan Headquarters.
I look for Alfonse the bartender and buy ThinMan a single malt
 scotch, Glenfarclas seems like a good choice tonite.
I then put on The Cure, _Disintegration_, which I always do before
 a trip.
I then go on vacation [expecting to return around the end of the 
 month, and hoping someone sorts out who the promoter and the
 speaker are]
 
Malenkai
-- 
Randy "the mapsurfer"
Orienteer * Letterboxer * Globetrotter
http://www.letterboxing.org/faq.html

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