Subject: ackanomic Digest V4 #220
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ackanomic Digest	Tuesday, August 17 1999	Volume: 04  Issue: 220

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From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re:  Acka: elections (ScareMonger)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:22:09 -0400 (EDT)

>The nominees for ScareMonger are:
>
>A German Dog
>Emperor Ai! Pedrito!
>Rachel L "Scary" Walmsley
>Blest Lax Monk Pal
>ThinMan

What's this?  Three-word names?  Four-word names?  This is going too far!
Pretty soon Ackanomic will run out of words!  (Or at least out of the letters
"a" and "e".)  Vote for me, and I'll save those a's, e's, and as many other
letters as I can for pronouncing doom, gloom, and the inevitable fiery
destruction of Acka!

TM

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From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 725 (IdiotBoy)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:58:48 -0400 (EDT)

Call for Judgement 725 - August 8, 1999
Subject: Too tired to worry about subjects
Initiator: Emperor AiPedrito!
1st Judge: 404 Not Found (deadbeat)
2nd Judge: IdiotBoy
Judgement:

Statement:
As of the time of submission of this CFJ, all current players of Ackanomic
with the possible exceptions of Studge and and were in gaol.

Reasoning:
If P4258 failed, then rule 17-1-2 exists.  We are all players
of Agora, hence we are all placed in gaol.  This is dependent on CFJs 723
and 724
(both must be FALSE for this reasoning to hold.)

--
-Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 727 (else...if)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:59:13 -0400 (EDT)

Call for Judgement 727 - August 10, 1999
Subject: Very to the point
Initiator: Emperor AiPedrito!
1st Judge: Studge (deadbeat)
2nd Judge: else...if
Judgement:

Statement:
Emperor Ai! Pedrito! was in gaol when King Felix was elected President.

Reasoning:
I was an Agoran player.  Is K 2 correct?

--
-Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: cil
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:04:31 -0400 (EDT)

 remobve myself vrom the cfj ineligiblity list.

rufusussususususus

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From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 725 (IdiotBoy)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:15:53 -0400 (EDT)

Once again, I intend to rule on this quickly.

I am once again asking for interested parties to submit to me privately
their arguments on this.  

I will telegraph by saying that I don't think all of the Judge's reasoning
is correct.

IB

On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Towsner wrote:

> Call for Judgement 725 - August 8, 1999
> Subject: Too tired to worry about subjects
> Initiator: Emperor AiPedrito!
> 1st Judge: 404 Not Found (deadbeat)
> 2nd Judge: IdiotBoy
> Judgement:
> 
> Statement:
> As of the time of submission of this CFJ, all current players of Ackanomic
> with the possible exceptions of Studge and and were in gaol.
> 
> Reasoning:
> If P4258 failed, then rule 17-1-2 exists.  We are all players
> of Agora, hence we are all placed in gaol.  This is dependent on CFJs 723
> and 724
> (both must be FALSE for this reasoning to hold.)
> 
> --
> -Henry Towsner
> 
> 	<[email-masked]>
> 
> 	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
> enjoy it.
> 		-Logan Pearsall Smith
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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From: Henry Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 727 (FALSE)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:50:17 -0400 (EDT)

Call for Judgement 727 - August 10, 1999
Subject: Very to the point
Initiator: Emperor AiPedrito!
1st Judge: Studge (deadbeat)
2nd Judge: else...if
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:
Emperor Ai! Pedrito! was in gaol when King Felix was elected President.

Reasoning:
I was an Agoran player.  Is K 2 correct?

Judge's Reasoning:
A brief recap of the events leading up to this CFJ, as I understand them:
	King Felix received 5 votes for President
	K2 received 4 votes from players other than EAP
	EAP withdrew his nomination in K2's favor, thus the university cast
one additional vote for K2
	The random determination selected King Felix, so if EAP was unable
to vote then King Felix was elected President, but if EAP voted for K2 then
K2 had 6 votes and won.
	Rule 9-1, however, certainly prohibits voting in elections while in
gaol, so if EAP was in gaol then e did not vote for K2.

	By EAP's own admission e was an Agoran player (indeed, he had
registered voluntarily), and I see no reason to believe otherwise.  The
qualm, however, is K2's comment:

I don't think you are able to manipulate any Ackan entity in this manner
- no rule enumerates a method for a player to become a registered member
of Agora and because such a manipulation is meaningful....

	According to rule 4, natural persons who are registered players of
Ackanomic are entities.  Note that there is no separation between the two.
Unlike in some games, there is no concept of the person having an avatar
which is an entity.  I, personally, Henry Towsner the carbon-based life
form, am an entity.  By rule 7, an entity may not be manipulated in a
significant way without express permission from the rules.  It is,
therefore, illegal and impossible for EAP to register as a player of Agora
(and I urge a member of Agora to file a case to this effect).
	I find this CFJ FALSE.  EAP did not, indeed could not, join Agora,
hence he was not in gaol, hence he voted for President K2.

--
-Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Vacation and CFJs
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:52:14 -0400 (EDT)

	I'm going on vacation for about a week, but make the ETA two weeks
just in case.

	Also, an update on outstanding CFJs:
725 is owed by IdiotBoy (deadline is 8/24)
728 is owed by Burn the Witch (deadline is 8/19)

	Finally, the following are on my CFJ inelligibility list.  Say so
if you want off.

404 Not Found
Studge
Vynd
Calvin N Hobbes
danke
two-star
BLMP
r-attila the farce
Robin Hood
Pure Haste

--
-Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Re: (no subject)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:24:56 -0400 (EDT)

#harfy 4317
-- Yes, I know I should say what I mean.
And I shan't pretend
That such was my end,
But it's not as if YOU'RE Mr. Clean.

#silent
& violent

#end
my friend

> Eric Plumb wrote:
> > Proposal 4319 is Harfy, for it undoes the grievous harm wreaked upon an
> > innocent... wait, what am I saying?  Because it officially betitles Studge
> > as exactly what e is.
> 
> P4319? or is that an unambiguous misspelling of P4317?
> 
> 321
> 432
> 543
> 654
> 765
> 876
> 965

What EVER.
(think you're so clever)
I distinctly said "four"
you s'more

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From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Agoran Occupation Order #1
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:36:17 -0400 (EDT)

I never actually did this before, and it seems irresponsible not to....

This is predicated on the success of the invasion scam.

As a public action I do the following:

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Agoran Occupation Order 1

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Change the game state, including CFJs, Offices, proposals, and the rest, to
be what it would have been absent the effects of "Rule 17-2 A Few of Our
Least Favorite Things" EXCEPT for the results of proposals 4295 and 4297.

Repeal "Rule 17-2-1 Declaration of War: Agora".

Amend Rule 1 by replacing the last paragraph with the following
CROWNINGMYSELF delimited text.

CROWNINGMYSELF
The Ackanomic player legally able to take the name Studge is the only player
of Ackanomic with the title Agoran Governor.  It is the priviledge of the 
Agoran Governor to create, repeal, or amend rules of Ackanomic and to 
otherwise modify the ruleset and/or gamestate of Ackanomic as a public action.
If the Agoran Governor is named in a successful CFCJ, the penalties that
would 
otherwise result shall not be applied.
CROWNINGMYSELF

Rachel L Walmsley's score, harf, offices and other possessions,
characteristics, and qualities are set to what they would be if Proposal
4297 had passed.
==============================================================================

Note that this lets IB judge the CFJ without a thread split and patches
over the rest of everything pretty well.

It means my VC, PC, and Harf are at their proper spots because the Punching
Bag prop (P4297) failed for lack of my vote.

Also Rachel would still be Harfmiester and have the extra Harf because
P4297 was worth it.

Studge

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Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4306 accepted
From: Joseph DeVincentis <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:23:11 -0400 (EDT)

Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
> 
> At 04:18 PM 8/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Proposal 4306
> >
> >Subcommittee vote for: 122   against:0
> >Subcommittee Acceptance Index: 122.0
> >Passed subcommittee
> >Total vote for: 795   Total vote against:-2
> >Acceptance Index: 792.0: proposal accepted
> 
> This actually did NOT pass -- it was never really proposed, since it
> contained no silly words or anything when it was submitted, and the silly
> words rule was still in the ruleset.

This is not true.  It passed.

The message sent to Ackabot containing this proposal was date-stamped 
Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:00:40 -0700 (i.e., 15:00 Acka time) and was
received at brain at Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:02:58 -0400 (EDT).  It was
then distributed by Ackabot at Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:03:03 -0400 (EDT).

The results of Proposal 4293, which repealed the silly words rule,
were distributed by Ackabot at Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:57:38 -0400 (EDT),
which is before any of the above times.

You submitted an earlier version of this proposal shortly before the
repeal passed, which you made note of, and then submitted this version.
At the time, I noticed you didn't put any silly words in it, and I
realized that, in between the two submissions, the repeal passed, so
you didn't need to -- you just needed to submit it again (legally this
time).

/dev/joe

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4306 accepted
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:16:58 -0400 (EDT)

>This is not true.  It passed.
>

My mistake -- that'll teach me to count.  I donate A$5 to the Twits.

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Student (Scamology)

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From: "Bryan" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: Hi im back
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:27:38 -0400 (EDT)

IS the list always this dead now a days?

R-Atilla

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