Subject: ackanomic Digest V4 #213
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ackanomic Digest	Tuesday, August 10 1999	Volume: 04  Issue: 213

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From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 722 (FALSE)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:47:22 -0400 (EDT)

On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Towsner wrote:

> Call for Judgement 722 - June 22, 1999
> Subject: Looks Vaguely Familiar
> Initiator: else...if
> Judge: Studge
> Judgement: FALSE
> Appealed by: Slakko
> 1st Supreme Cortex: K 2 and Laa Laa (declined)
> 2nd Supreme Cortex: K 2 and /dev/joe
> Judgement: FALSE

Why did you decide to penalise me 25 points (the default) for this appeal?
Was it really that bad?  Will you do it again for 724, despite the fact
that I appealed it to prevent a possible contradiction in the rules?

-- 
Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/
Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory
My stream of consciousness has dried up.  Time to try irrigation.

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: elections (President)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:47:29 -0400 (EDT)

At 08:07 PM 8/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I registered as an Agoran player in an attempt to thwart their nonexistent
>scam.  I am now in gaol.  I have deregistered as an Agoran.  My vote for
>the presidency was probably not valid, although IIRC my Agenda submissions
>and Viruses move were legal.

Going back over my records, I see that my viruses move was NOT submitted in
time.  I think it's dumb that I will be denied my move because of that.

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
Acting Registrar * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: elections (President)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:49:30 -0400 (EDT)

At 02:47 AM 8/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>At 08:07 PM 8/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>I registered as an Agoran player in an attempt to thwart their nonexistent
>>scam.  I am now in gaol.  I have deregistered as an Agoran.  My vote for
>>the presidency was probably not valid, although IIRC my Agenda submissions
>>and Viruses move were legal.
>
>Going back over my records, I see that my viruses move was NOT submitted in
>time.  I think it's dumb that I will be denied my move because of that.
>

Err, what I meant was that I was already in gaol, not that I failed to
submit in time.  It's still dumb.

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
Acting Registrar * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: elections (President)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:41:29 -0400 (EDT)

Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
> 
> At 08:07 PM 8/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >I registered as an Agoran player in an attempt to thwart their noneistent
> >scam.  I am now in gaol.  I have deregistered as an Agoran.  My vote for
> >the presidency was probably not valid, although IIRC my Agenda submissions
> >and Viruses move were legal.

I don't think you are able to manipulate any Ackan entity in this manner
- no rule enumerates a method for a player to become a registered member
of Agora and because such a manipulation is meaningful....

> Going back over my records, I see that my viruses move was NOT submitted in

K 2

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: elections (President)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:19:48 -0400 (EDT)

At 05:41 AM 8/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>> 
>> At 08:07 PM 8/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
>> >I registered as an Agoran player in an attempt to thwart their noneistent
>> >scam.  I am now in gaol.  I have deregistered as an Agoran.  My vote for
>> >the presidency was probably not valid, although IIRC my Agenda submissions
>> >and Viruses move were legal.
>
>I don't think you are able to manipulate any Ackan entity in this manner
>- no rule enumerates a method for a player to become a registered member
>of Agora and because such a manipulation is meaningful....
>

If K 2 is correct, there are actual changes that occur.  Rule 6-5-1 says:

   In elections for President, for each degree a Nominee holds the
   University shall cast as an extra vote for em.

Rule 6-2 says:

   During the
   first day of an election, a nominee may publicly withdraw and name
   another nominee for the same office who has not withdrawn; if the
   nominee does not specify such a nominee then the attempt to withdraw
   fails. When Count Tabula counts the votes for this election, all votes
   for the withdrawn nominee will instead be counted as if they were cast
   for the player the whithdrawn nominee named.

I withdrew in favor of K 2.  I voted for K 2 (Invalid if I was in gaol).
The University voted for me, thus K 2.  This means that if I was NOT in
gaol, K 2 received 6 votes and is our new president.

I have submitted a CFJ.

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
Acting Registrar * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: "Pull up, we're hit!  We're hit!"
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:22:13 -0400 (EDT)

#retract 4291

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
Acting Registrar * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: "Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: elections (President)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:26:12 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> At 05:41 AM 8/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
> >> 
> >> At 08:07 PM 8/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >> >I registered as an Agoran player in an attempt to thwart their noneistent
> >> >scam.  I am now in gaol.  I have deregistered as an Agoran.  My vote for
> >> >the presidency was probably not valid, although IIRC my Agenda submissions
> >> >and Viruses move were legal.
> >
> >I don't think you are able to manipulate any Ackan entity in this manner
> >- no rule enumerates a method for a player to become a registered member
> >of Agora and because such a manipulation is meaningful....
> >
> 
> If K 2 is correct, there are actual changes that occur.  Rule 6-5-1 says:
> 
>    In elections for President, for each degree a Nominee holds the
>    University shall cast as an extra vote for em.
> 
> I withdrew in favor of K 2.  I voted for K 2 (Invalid if I was in gaol).
> The University voted for me, thus K 2.  This means that if I was NOT in
> gaol, K 2 received 6 votes and is our new president.

I spot a HUGE scam out of this.  The next Presidential election would
presumably see everyone nominate, and then switch to their appropriate
candidate, to score an extra vote for their degrees.
Time for that part of Rule 6-5-1 to be scratched.

-- 
Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/
Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory
Insert random funny line here.

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From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: CFJ 727 (Studge)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:30:37 -0400 (EDT)

Call for Judgement 727 - August 10, 1999
Subject: Very to the point
Initiator: Emperor AiPedrito!
Judge: Studge
Judgement:

Statement:
Emperor Ai! Pedrito! was in gaol when King Felix was elected President.

Reasoning:
I was an Agoran player.  Is K 2 correct?

--
-Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: !!!Re: CFJ 727 (Studge)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:33:32 -0400 (EDT)

	Really sorry about that.

--
-Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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From: "Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Last Impeachment
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:47:23 -0400 (EDT)

How many YES votes were received on the last impeachment (the Summarizer)?

-- 
Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/
Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory
Insert random funny line here.

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Last Impeachment
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:51:54 -0400 (EDT)

At 11:47 AM 8/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>How many YES votes were received on the last impeachment (the Summarizer)?
>
>
>-- 
>Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/
>Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory
>Insert random funny line here.
> 

5:
else...if
/dev/joe
IB
A German Dog
Alfvaen

BLMP tried to but was unable.

It failed.

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
Acting Registrar * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: elections (President)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:26:47 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer wrote:
> I spot a HUGE scam out of this.  The next Presidential election would
> presumably see everyone nominate, and then switch to their appropriate
> candidate, to score an extra vote for their degrees.
> Time for that part of Rule 6-5-1 to be scratched.

No, the withdrawing has no bearing on the extra vote.  The extra vote is
cast automatically for each person if they have a degree when they vote.
else...if and /dev/joe also cause the university to cast an extra vote as
did anyone else with a degree.  (note that /dev/joes extra vote would have
balanced EA!P!'s extra vote thus the random determination was correct and
valid)

--JT

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[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: CFJ 727 (Studge)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:27:25 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Towsner wrote:
> Call for Judgement 727 - August 10, 1999
> Subject: Very to the point
> Initiator: Emperor AiPedrito!
> Judge: Studge

I find the selection of judge on this highly amusing (and somewhat
appropriate).

--JT

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[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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From: Henry Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4302
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:49:19 -0400 (EDT)

#retract 4302
#silent
#end

--
-Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:50:33 -0400 (EDT)

Whoever the Scaremonger is, e is not doing eir duty.  Party Chess was
repealed, The Exquisite Dead Guy was almost found, and Agora tried to crash
our ruleset.  And nothing.  Silence.  I don't even know who it is.  

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!! A SILENT SCAREMONGER COULD CRASH THE GAME!!! WHAT
WILL WE DO!??!?!  Who will warn us of the approaching Equinox/Solstice? Who
will promote panic and foment fear?  Who will point out the crashing of the
game, officers failing to perform, and the End of the World?  IN THE NAME
OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND HARFY, WHAT CAN WE DO!?

Oh.  I know.

I call a test of the Emergency Broadcast System.  This is a loud tone, and
also a hearing.  The possible votes [responses] to this hearing are:

"The sky is falling!" (I become Scaremonger)

and

"It is only a little hailstorm." (Nothing happens)

Reply to vote.
-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
Acting Registrar * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hall of Elders (Niccolo)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:51:14 -0400 (EDT)

Last I saw we were only up to 10 people nominating Niccolo for the HoE.
With 25 active players, that just isn't enough.

Please, if you haven't nominated him yet, do so.
If you look at the amount of effort he put into the early game, you'll see
he was one of Acka's most important players early on.  He invented Party
Chess and got it up and running, created Otzma Cards, and also had a big
hand in some of the major game mechanics.  He is one of only 7 players
to have a BCR of more than 100, and one of only 6 to have more than 100
proposals accepted.
He once had 16 consecutive proposals accepted.
He was reincarnated twice.

Please support Niccolo Flychuck's nomination to the Hall of Elders.

-- 
Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/
Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory
My stream of consciousness has dried up.  Time to try irrigation.

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fairies (deja vu?)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:55:24 -0400 (EDT)

I allege that Kane and Pure Haste are off in fairy land.

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
Acting Registrar * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: OOPS
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:00:34 -0400 (EDT)

No silly words, this was an invalid proposal.
#retract 4303

At 02:32 PM 8/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Proposal 4303
>Some REAL Emergency Powers
>Emperor Ai! Pedrito!
>Due: Tue Aug 17 14:32:10 1999
>Sphere: Anti-Canada Kamikaze Alliance
>
>
>[We were lucky this time.  Next time we might not be as lucky.]
>
>in rule 1-3 (Crisis Resolution):
>*replace ', and only the Speaker,' 
> with ' or the Acting Speaker, and no other players'
>*replace 'The President may' with 'The President or Acting President may'
>
>[Currently, you can impeach either one of them and stop the process dead.]
>
>in rule 9-1 (Gaol):
>add after item 8 the following:
>"
>9) A voting player may challenge a State of Crisis Resolution Document.
>
>10) If the Speaker is in Gaol, e may declare a State of Crisis.
>
>11) If the President is in Gaol and the game is in a State of Crisis, e may
>issue a State of Crisis Resolution Document
>"
>
>[I believe Slakko is right, and they may perform these actions anyways, but
>explicit allowance can't hurt much.]
> 
-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
Acting Registrar * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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Subject: Re: Acka: Hall of Elders (Niccolo)
From: Joseph DeVincentis <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:34:14 -0400 (EDT)

Duncan Richer wrote:
> 
> Last I saw we were only up to 10 people nominating Niccolo for the HoE.
> With 25 active players, that just isn't enough.
> Please support Niccolo Flychuck's nomination to the Hall of Elders.

Well, we actually have these 13:

K 2, JT, Studge, Slakko, else...if, Alfvaen, IdiotBoy, ThinMan,
Pregnant Hippo, King Felix, Blest Lax Monk Pal, rufus, /dev/joe

/dev/joe

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Silver Shovel
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:37:37 -0400 (EDT)

I don't know if I have already... If not, I sign the Silver Shovel Contract.
I go to the Vault of the Book.
I go home.

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito! B(Scam)
Acting Registrar * DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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