Subject: ackanomic Digest V4 #205
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 00:00:01 -0400 (EDT)

ackanomic Digest	Monday, August 02 1999	Volume: 04  Issue: 205

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From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Word Un-Association (404 Not Found)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 02:11:47 -0400 (EDT)

Eric Plumb wrote:
> I'll volunteer if someone can tell me
> 
> -Hubert, who really should change eir .sig now that T200 is [almost] found
> 
> Necrotelecomnicon: Book of telephone numbers of the dead

Although I haven't seen any further action - maybe I'm just impatient -
I give A$10 to hubert erm TEFKA Hubert anyway (what is their name?)

K 2

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fairies
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 02:58:34 -0400 (EDT)

I allege that Kane and Pure Haste are off in fairy land.

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito!
 DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Spelling
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:00:23 -0400 (EDT)

I initiate a flight of the Spelling Bee.  I will be stinging the following:

tradeable to tradable and nontradeable to nontradable in the following rules:

1-2-2-1
1-2-8-2
2-4
4
4-5
4-10
5-3
6-5-8-1
7-1
7-2-4
7-3-1-2
7-3-1-2-1
7-4-1
7-11
7-13
7-14-12
7-15
7-16
7-18
8
8-1
8-2-2
8-2-3
8-2-4
10-2
10-3
12-1
12-2
12-4
12-8-3-1
12-8-4
12-9
13-3
16
16-1

labelled to labeled in rule 3-6.

As rule-harfer, I will put these changes into effect in a day or two.  So
if you take issue with them, tell me now.

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito!
 DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Harf
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:08:08 -0400 (EDT)

I am detecting a distinct lack of harf in the proposals in the queue right
now.  (As a matter of fact, I am also detecting a distinct lack of
proposals themselves, but that's another issue entirely)  Acka should be
ashamed of itself.  Harfy nomic indeed.  Now get out there and be harfy!  I
feel like I'm hogging the harf, but I can't give it away for free.
Else...if is by far the closest to harf, but he's teetering on the border,
not quite harfy enough.  

The rest of you, shape up, and start being harfy... or else...

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito!
 DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 4287
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:16:12 -0400 (EDT)

#retract 4287
(right, I'm harfmeister, I have to include a dumb phrase)
(don't take my points)
-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito!
 DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Sigh
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:29:53 -0400 (EDT)

#retract 4276
 (same deal, it's invalid already)
-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito!
 DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Spelling
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:43:34 -0400 (EDT)

I object to these changes.

IB

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From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Spelling
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:20:33 -0400 (EDT)

At 05:43 PM 8/2/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I object to these changes.
>
>IB
> 

well, first of all, you can't.

-- Emperor Ai! Pedrito!
 DeeJay * Dungeon Master * Herald * Rule-Harfer
 Crazy French-Scotsman * Harfmeister * Student * Wrangler and Belt-Holder

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From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Spelling
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:38:48 -0400 (EDT)

On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> At 05:43 PM 8/2/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >I object to these changes.
> >
> >IB
> > 
> 
> well, first of all, you can't.

I certainly can.  And I have already done so.  

As to its effect on the game state.. whatever.

IB

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From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 723 (IdiotBoy)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:58:08 -0400 (EDT)

Call for Judgement 723 - August 2, 1999
Subject: Breakfast
Initiator: K2
Judge: IdiotBoy
Judgement:

Statement:
Between 22-Jun-99 04:58:14 and 30-Jun-99 14:39:06 Studge did not alter the
rules or the game state according to Rule 1 (as it read during that period).

Reasoning:
I didn't submit this until now cause I wasn't sure we were in a thread
where it was relevant.

This CFJ can only be TRUE in the thread that CFJ 722 is TRUE. Assuming
that to be the case:

* On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:57:32 P4207 was submitted.
* On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:57:31 P4207's voting period ended.
* On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:58:14 Invalid voting results for P4207 were
>       released.
* On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:00:27 Studge announced a change to the rule set
>       attempting to create a rule defined entity "The Imperium".

* According to Rule 2 (Proposals):
     As soon as possible after a proposal's prescribed voting period
     ends, the votes on that proposal shall be posted publicly.
     [... conditions for ... ] then it is accepted. Otherwise it is
     rejected.

     If a proposal is accepted, one of two things happen. If the
     proposal consisted of a list of one-time effects, such as changes
     to the rules, then those effects shall be applied, one at a time,
     in the order in which they appear in the proposal. (Ambiguous,
     retroactive, and/or meaningless effects are ignored.)

For a proposal to have its effect applied it must be accepted. To be
accepted the votes on it must be released publicly - at the time of
Studge's attempted modification this had not occurred - some invalid
results had been ruleset and some players other than the promotor had
attempted to convince us they new the results, but the correct official
results had not been released.

* According to Rule 2-2 (Scoring When A Proposal's Voting Results are
Reported):

     I. Timing of these score changes

     All the following scoring changes are applied at the time the
     Proposal's tabulated voting results are officially reported,
     unless the new rule or effect calls for an instantaneous
     change to 1 or more players' score, in which case the score
     changes detailed in this rule are applied an infinitesimal
     amount of time after those effects are applied.

This supports the timeline - Results released then proposal has effect.

* Rule 2-1-2 (Mannna from Heaven):

     When A Proposal's Voting Results are Reported, but prior to any
     effects generated by it (including any scoring changes)

Another rule on the same theme. If Mannna changes occur after the
official results but before the proposals effect, the effects must occur
after the official results too.

Net effect is that between 22 Jun 1999 05:00:27 and 22 Jun 1999 19:41:07
when the official voting results were released was that rule one did not
empower Studge to amend the rules.

* On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:08:56 JT issued an "Imperial Dictate" (ID).
* On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:12:39 Studge said "I concur to both dictates."
>       (refering to JT's "Imperial Dictate").

JT issues an "Imperial Dictate" which purports to modify the game state,
apparently Studge concurs with this action... is that the same as Studge
performing the action emself? If I said: The Angry Hammer transfers A$
10 from K 2 to JT and JT concurred with this what would happen?

* On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:13:56 JT censored an ID and made another.
* On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:41:07 /dev/joe released the correct and
>       official voting results.
* On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:20:12 Studge said "I concur." in reference to
>       JT's ID.
* On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:19:27 JT issued an ID.
* On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:31:51 Studge said :
>       "If it wasn't, I make the same diktate and concur to that." in
>reference
>       to an earlier ID by JT on research.

Is issuing and concurring to a "diktate" the same as making a public
action?

I issue the following Imperial Dicate: K 2 transfers A$ to Studge.
I concur with this.

Now What?

* On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:39:06 P4224 Passed.

Hopefully it will be possible to apply the judge's reasoning on this CFJ
to determine if the last (or possibly earlier) diktate was successful in
the event this CFJ is not TRUE.

--
-Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 723 (IdiotBoy)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:42:35 -0400 (EDT)

I intend to tackle this CFJ as soon as possible.  I would appreciate those
who have strong feelins one way or the other submitting additional friend
of the court briefs to help me make my decision.  Please mail them to me
personally.

IB

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From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Word Un-Association (404 Not Found)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:33:55 -0400 (EDT)

On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, K 2 wrote:

> Although I haven't seen any further action - maybe I'm just impatient -
> I give A$10 to hubert erm TEFKA Hubert anyway (what is their name?)

To Our Nonexistent Registrar:

I change my name to "farshimmelt potrzebie," excluding the double quotes
and comma.

To K 2: 

Further Action Coming Soon . . .

-farshimmelt potrzebie

Hi, I'm a necrophiliac. How well can you play dead? 

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Subject: Re: Acka: Word Un-Association (404 Not Found)
From: Joseph DeVincentis <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:24:31 -0400 (EDT)

Eric Plumb wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, K 2 wrote:
> 
> > Although I haven't seen any further action - maybe I'm just impatient -
> > I give A$10 to hubert erm TEFKA Hubert anyway (what is their name?)
> 
> To Our Nonexistent Registrar:
> 
> I change my name to "farshimmelt potrzebie," excluding the double quotes
> and comma.

No you don't, that's too long.  20 characters max.

/dev/joe
"Will the real acting registrar please step forward?"

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