ackanomic Digest Sunday, November 29 1998 Volume 03 : Issue 429 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Acka: Moving once a fortnight From: "Dan Knapp" Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:27:15 -0500 (EST) I am going to the library in quest of *that* room. Then I'm looking for the necronomicon room. -- Red Barn ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Moving once a fortnight Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 02:46:23 -0500 (EST) On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Dan Knapp wrote: > I am going to the library in quest of *that* room. Then I'm looking for >the necronomicon room. Unfortunately at the time you attempted this action, another player had been in *that* room within the 24 hours proceeding. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: Digested Actions Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 02:57:32 -0500 (EST) On Sat, 28 Nov 1998, Dan Knapp wrote: >>And I on the other hand urge everyone to vote for it. It actually is >>quite a bit of work to go through and change all of the references to a >>players name taking quite a bit of time. This has nothing to do with >>registrar, but with harfing in general. I'm fairly sure I'm not the only >>harfer to feel this way as well. > > Aren't the Unix text-processing commands any help? I've been acting as >speaker for New Rishonnomic (two 'n's), which has been fairly active, and >not having much trouble. Trust me, I already use them. The problem comes from the fact that I keep a lot of my pages of information sorted by name, and thus have to edit the files and re-sort them once this is all done. I'm (slowly) working on a program which will automate a lot of this, however, until that's done, harfing name changes is probably the single most intensive operation I have to do as harfer. Everything else takes me a trivial amount of time. Now please note, that my griping is just that. If I really felt it too much effort, I'd stop doing those offices, but I do wish that people would take some consideration of the amount of work a seemingly trivial operation can require. > I make myself Evil. Furthermore, I make myself so monstrously Evil that I >can never be changed back unless the rules explicitly say so. I change my >name, pending ack, to "Ballot Stuffer", minus the quotes. Hrmmm. I'll ack this. Fortunately we have quite a bit of CFJ and game custom that this will not actually make you into a rule-define mechanical gadget :) > I offer a bid of A$99 per log and A$99 per stone and am willing to sell 99 >of each. This bid fails as rule 810.1 states (or will once Pol Pot next does an update) that: The price must be a nonnegative number of A$ smaller than any other offer made on items of that type and smaller than A$100. ThinMan has put a bid of 1 log and 1 stone at A$0. Therefore your bid of A$99 per log and A$99 per stone and 99 of each is not legal. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: Mueller Subject: Re: Acka: T200 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 06:35:30 -0500 (EST) K 2 wrote: >Mueller wrote: > >> That's what it looked like to me, and if that's true, I was wondering why I >> was not on the list? When did I say H*bert? >> >> I know I've never consciously written it, and I don't recall anyone >> gloating over catching me :) .... >> >> Thomas Jute > >Remember when my e-mail client reported my name as "Kelly H*bert Kelly"? >Of cource you do :) > >K 2 >Gloating > Yes, I remember, but when did this catch me? Unless there is a signoff with actual meaning (like this one with the gloating), I normally truncate messages I quote by eliminating them.... Or was this just an attempt to get me to argue without re editing the whole thing to keep the H*berts out? Or make me not care about saying H*bert by convincing me I already have? Studge - paranoid - and loving it ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 703 (TRUE) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 06:59:02 -0500 (EST) r-attila the farce has judged this TRUE. Call for Judgement 703 - November 21, 1998 Subject: Missed Cycle Win CWCFJ Initiator: Alfvaen (sent Nov 21 1998, 00:44 Acka) Judge: r-attila the farce (chosen Nov 24 1998, 04:19 Acka) Judgement: TRUE Statement: Alfvaen has gained a winning condition during the game of Ackanomic. Alfvaen's Reasoning: This is a Cycle-Win CFJ, as stated in Rule 599. Sometime before the recent destruction of Cheeses when /dev/joe achieved a Winning Condition due to Rule 611, I had five cheeses, although I did not realize that I had the Cheddar until afterward. Having held, possibly among others, the offices of Trinket-Harfer, Web-Harfer, Archaeologist, Financier, Registrar, Speaker, Undead-Harfer, Swinger for Metamorph, Praetor, Illuminatus, Deejay, and Justice after the passage of Proposal 2716, I had an Edam. Having won games of Fictionary, Ghost, and Viruses since the passage of the same Proposal, I had a Gouda. Having been granted a Brie due to not having had a CFCJ judged TRUE against me(the original means of getting one), and not having lost it since either by CFCJ or by Duel, I had a Brie. Having had Proposals 2774, 2776, 2787, 2797, 2798, 2807, 2808, 2842, 2845, and 2865(and, for that matter, 19 more)accepted with no intervening rejections, or even retractions, I had a Stilton. Having had Harfy Proposals 2915, 3347, and 3484 accepted, I had a Cheddar. (Had I but known...) These facts are all fairly easy to verify, so I don't anticipate any trouble here. Judge's Reasoning: The best part about ample proof is that I dont have to create more. ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Re: Acka: postal Code Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 06:59:06 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 27 Nov 1998, JT wrote: > On Sat, 28 Nov 1998, Gavin M. Doig wrote: > >> acka-priv@ is an alternate form of ackanomic@. > > smallpox blanket pointed out to me privately that the postal code lists > acka-priv@ instead of ackanomic-priv@ > > Since they are the same list with only the reply-to being set differently, > I don't believe this causes any problems with the rules. > > I am also, as Postmaster issuing the following CSR numbered 165 and > delimited by POSTAL. It contains only modifications to the postal code. > POSTAL > In the postal code replace all occurances of acka-priv@ with > ackanomic-priv@ > POSTAL I object. This just fiddles the problem back to the other state. A better fix would have been Replace "acka-priv@" with "acka-priv@ (or, equally, ackanomic-priv@)" -- Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/ Ackanomic | U. of Cambridge Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator | 2nd Year PhD(PMa) ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: postal Code Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 07:09:25 -0500 (EST) >> I am also, as Postmaster issuing the following CSR numbered 165 and >> delimited by POSTAL. It contains only modifications to the postal code. >> POSTAL >> In the postal code replace all occurances of acka-priv@ with >> ackanomic-priv@ >> POSTAL > >I object. This just fiddles the problem back to the other state. >A better fix would have been > >Replace "acka-priv@" with "acka-priv@ (or, equally, ackanomic-priv@)" I object as well. -- Pol Pot Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 700 (1-TRUE) (Cortez's Courtly Cortege) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:21:01 -0500 (EST) Wild Card has appealed this. It goes to Cortez's Courtly Cortege. Call for Judgement 700 - November 18, 1998 Subject: Museum Win the Third CFJ Initiator: Pol Pot (sent Nov 18 1998, 01:46 Acka) Judge: r-attila the farce (chosen Nov 19 1998, 05:21 Acka) Judgement: TRUE (promulgated Nov 24, 1998, 04:19 Acka) Appellant: Wild Card Cortex: Cortez's Courtly Cortege (Alfvaen and Slakko) Judgement: Statement: Pol Pot has achieved a win condition during the cuurent cycle of Ackanomic. Reasoning: I donated Doubting Thomas Jute to the museum. Therefore my benefactor value was greater than A$5000 which R850 indicates gives me a win condition. Judge's Reasoning: Its a clean cut yes pol pot obviously donated the named trinket as per the current ruleset. Appellant's Reasoning: I agree with various of IB's reasonings. ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 698 (1-FALSE) (Amicus Draconis) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:21:04 -0500 (EST) Pol Pot has appealed this. It goes to Amicus Draconis. Call for Judgement 698 - November 18, 1998 Subject: Museum Win The First Initiator: Thomas Jute (sent Nov 18 1998, 01:35 Acka) 1st Judge: K 2 (chosen Nov 19, 1998, 05:21 Acka) (left) 2nd Judge: IdiotBoy (chosen Nov 21, 1998, 04:15 Acka) Judgement: FALSE (promulgated Nov 25, 1998, 04:05 Acka) Appellant: Pol Pot Cortex: Amicus Draconis (JT and Vynd) Judgement: Statement: Thomas Jute has achieved a win condition during the cuurent cycle of Ackanomic. Reasoning: I donated r-attila the farce is happy to the museum. Therefore my benefactor value is greater than A$5000 which R850 indicates gives me a win condition. Judge's Reasoning: At the time of this judgement, I could not find "r-attila the farce is happy" in the Museum. Rule 850 states: "Each Museum benefactor has a benefactor value (BV), which is the sum of the value of all objects on display in the North Wing that that benefactor donated (the benefactor of record is considered to be the last player to donate a particular object)." At the time of this judgement, I can find no items on display in the North Wing which have been donated by Thomas Jute. His BV is, therefore, 0. This conflicts directly with the reasoning for the Winning Condition. Perhaps, then, Thomas Jute has been scammed out of his Winning Condition by an unsavory art thief. The logs indicate, rather, that Thomas Jute gave this Trinket to the Museum, submitted his CWCFJ, then it was pointed out that the Trinket was a Forgery and thus removed from the Museum. Unfortunately for Thomas Jute, all of these actions occured in the same message and must be considered to have occured essentially at the same time. I say unfortunately, for that denies Thomas Jute his hard earned win. Here's what happens, according to R850 (the quotations from the rule will be indented for clarity): Upon a benefactor's BV exceeding A$5000, if e is a voting player, all objects donated by that benefactor are transferred to the West Wing, and a big ceremony, which is a public gathering, is held. At the point where ""r-attila the farce is happy" was donated to the Museum, Thomas Jute's BV exceeded A$5000. So the above happened, except: If this appears to occur simultaneously with a player becoming a Member of the Museum, however, it will occur an infinitesimal time afterwards instead. So, it didn't happen right away. In between the time that the Trinket was donated and it was declared a forgery, Thomas Jute was made a Member of the Museum (since his BV did not exceed A$1000, previously.) He didn't have all of his objects moved to the West Wing, because that would have occured after the forgery had already been discovered. Additionally: Then that benefactor becomes a Life Member of the Museum, and his name is added to the end of the list of names on the plaque in front of the West Wing, and the lighted sign in front of the West Wing stops displaying whatever it was displaying and begins displaying that benefactor's name, and the lighted sign in front of the North Wing starts displaying 'North'. The above didn't happen, occurring even later than the transfer would have occurred. Which means that: Then, if that is the first time that player has had a benefactor value exceeding A$5000, he achieves a Winning Condition. This certainly did not occur. As it would have happened FAR outside of the scope of the message in question, much later than the discovery of the forgery. Additionally, I note that Thomas Jute will now be unable to achieve a so-called "Museum Win", since eir BV has already exceeded A$5000 once. Since I have the right of this forum to do so, I will note that I find this attempted win to be among the most repulsive in all my time in Ackanomic. Perhaps what bothers me most is the tacit (and even in some cases explicit) collusion of some of Ackanomic's foremost citizens and Officers to, quite frankly, steal cycle wins. Ackanomic is -not- a formal system. It should not be interpreted as such. It is the considered opinion of this court that continued reliance on the Letter of the Law, to the -exclusion- to the Spirit of the Law, to direct gameplay will lessen the "fun value" for all Players. Appellant's Reasoning: (none) JT's Bronze Torch Reasoning: I'm going to cover two things here. First, the judge stated that the trinket wasn't in the musuem at the time of judgement. It merely had to be there at the time of CFJ submission, not at time of Judgement for this to be ruled TRUE, and ruling it FALSE based on that would have been an error. Second the judge tried to make a case, as did /dev/joe that it was possible that the objects weren't in the museum at the time that the CFJ was submitted. That is what I wish to address in this Bronze Torch reasoning. In the recent CFJ 689 dealing with Hats and the Chartreuse Goose, I argued that when two rules claim to have an effect happen an infinitesimal time after a specific event the rules essentially have to operate in parallel since nothing defines intra-rule timing, and it makes more sense to use a consistant 'length' for the infinitesimal amount of time passing between two discrete events. This CFJ's reasoning attempts to apply that same reasoning to the case of player actions in the same message (something we allow purely by game custom) versus rule dictated events (the sequence layed out by Rule 850). My view here would have to be that player actions in a message do in fact occur in order, but not necessarily an infinitesimal amount of time after the previous action in the message, but an infinitesimal amount of time after all rule generated sequences of events from the previous action have ceased. For practical purposes this is the 'same' as an infinitesimal time after the previous action because since it's infinitesimal it's not measurable and the fact that 6 events (a completely arbitrary number) happened after the first action in the message and before the second does not substantially alter the time of the second action in the message. So in the case under consideration by this CFJ (and which I believe applies to all three current CFJs about similar sequences of events) the following things happened. Thomas jute created the trinket. (rule 850 section III, forces a move to the museum before the donation) Thomas Jute donates that trinket to the museum (rule 850, Section IV & V, Thomas Jute's Benefactor Value exceeds A$5000) (rule 850, Section V & VII, Thomas Jute becomes a Member of the Museum) / (rule 850, Section V & VII, Thomas Jute added to North Wing plaque) \ (rule 850, Section VII, All of Thomas Jute's items moved to West Wing) / (rule 850, Section V & VII, North Wing sign displays Thomas Jute) \ (rule 850, Section VII, A big ceremony is held) (rule 850, Section VII, Thomas Jute becomes a Life Member) (rule 850, Section VII, Thomas Jute's name added to plaque) (rule 850, Section VII, West Wing sign begins displaying Thomas Jute) (rule 850, Section VII, North Wing sign begins displaying North) (rule 850, Section VII, Thomas Jute gains a Winning Condition) Thomas Jute submits a CFJ claiming the Winning Condition Thomas Jute points out that the trinket is a forgery. (rule 506, trinket is transferred to r-attila the farce) Operations denoted by () above are rule mandated effects. Operations denoted by < (well the larger version :)) occur simultaneously due to the 'parallelization' between two simultaneous rule effects. I believe the above to be sound and consistant with both the rules and current game custom. ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 702 (FALSE) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:21:11 -0500 (EST) r-attila the farce has judged this FALSE. Call for Judgement 702 - November 21, 1998 Subject: Senate Removal and Organization Links Initiator: Vynd (sent Nov 21 1998, 00:26 Acka) Judge: r-attila the farce (chosen Nov 23 1998, 04:02 Acka) Judgement: FALSE Statement: Slakko is a Senator. Reasoning: The truth of this statement depends on the effects of Proposal 3724. As a one time effect, that proposal caused all players who were in an organization(s) which had an H similarity of 75% or more with another organization(s) to be removed from those organizations. Rule 411 Senate states that "The Senators are collectively a Unique Organization known as the Senate." Thus the Senate is an org, and was subject to the effects of proposal 3724. There were only two Senators at the time proposal 3724 passed, Slakko and Thomas Jute. This meant that the Senate had 100% H similarity with the Grey Council, and therefore Slakko and Thomas Jute were removed from the organization of the Senate. What, exactly, does this mean? There seems to be two possibilities. One is that the Senators were removed from the Senate, but they remained Senators. In this case, they would immediately become members of the Senate again, because the Senate is by definition the collective Senators. The other possibility is that the Senators were not only removed from the Senate organization, but from their seats as Senators. I believe that the first possibility is the correct one. Nothing in Proposal 3724 explicitly states that the Senators are removed from their offices. While the Senate itself is an org, the offices that make it up are not. If being a Senator was somehow contingent on being a member of the Senate, I might be inclined to accept the second posibility I have mentioned, but since the opposite is the case I see no reason to believe that being removed from the Senate automatically causes one to lose the Office of Senator. ThinMan's Bronze Torch Reasoning: Rule 411 establishes an extremely tight connection between the Senators and the Senate. So tight, in fact, that I don't see how it is possible for any player to ever be a Senator but not a member of the Senate. Rule 411 doesn't just say that all Senators are members of the Senate, it says that the Senate _is_ the collective Senators. This is the same section that the submitter (and others) have argued puts Senators back in the Senate. The submitter wrote "If being a Senator was somehow contingent on being a member of the Senate, I might be inclined to accept [that the Senators lost their seats when P3724 was accepted]." I claim that there is more than contingency, here -- there is identity. By rule 411, being a Senator and being a member of the Senate are the SAME THING. Judges Reasoning: This point is moot now so if you dont want to read more stop now. I think that the office and the org are to closely linked so that if you take away one then you take away both so slakko loses his office. ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 701 (FALSE) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:21:17 -0500 (EST) r-attila the farce has judged this FALSE. Call for Judgement 701 - November 19, 1998 Subject: Chorg Creation Initiator: Pol Pot (sent Nov 19 1998, 06:40 Acka) Judge: r-attila the farce (chosen Nov 23 1998, 04:02 Acka) Judgement: FALSE Statement: Slakko owns a Spellbook of Chorg Reasoning: I personally think this should be ruled false, but i haven't given the involved rules careful perusal. Slakko tried to create one with an Acme InstaGadget Otzma Card, and did not spend any money. There has been one auction of a SBoC of the type mentioned in the Instagadget. However, it ended without any bids, and so the auctioneer (Malenkai) got it by default without paying any money. Whether this satisfies the Instagadget is my question. Note that the result of this CFJ will also probably also apply to JT's similar use of an Instagadget to create a SBoC 2 days ago. Judges Reasoning: Not only is this point moot because K2 has provided me with logs that show that Slakko has never ever had an OC instagadget but i tend to side with the fact that since an SBoC has never been "sold" at auction the price would currently be A$500 ------------------------------ From: Duncan Richer Subject: Acka: CFJ 705 (FALSE) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:21:22 -0500 (EST) Thomas Jute has judged this FALSE. Call for Judgement 705 - November 21, 1998 Subject: JAM Join Initiator: Pol Pot (sent Nov 21 1998, 19:00 Acka) Judge: Thomas Jute (chosen Nov 24 1998, 04:20 Acka) Judgement: FALSE Statement: Thomas Jute is a member of the Justified Ancients of Mummu Reasoning: I tried to let em in as founder... did it work? YOU decide Judge's Analysis: R1301 says of Cults: >8. a. If a Church ever has no Priest, or (Heaven Forbid!) fewer >than zero Priests, or fewer than four members, it is transformed >into a Cult. > >b. The Cult has the same name as the Church and retains ownership >of all the assets and entities of the Church; however, it is >impermissible for the Cult to trade or to use any Organizational >Powers. This takes precedence over R1003. > >c. For purposes of membership, the Church Founder is considered a >Priest. > >d. Any function that can be performed by a Priest, can also be >performed by the Church Founder. > >e. Any Priest who leaves the a Church cease to a Priest of that >Church. A Priest who is no longer a Priest of any Church >ceases to be a Priest. > >f. A player who joins a Cult and was previously a Priest or a >Founder of the Church that was transformed into that Cult, >becomes a Priest of that Cult. > >g. If a Cult has at least four members, at least one of which is a >Priest of that Cult, it can transform itself into a Church, as an >Organizational Action. > >h. A Cult is an Organization. > >i. If the Founder of a Church ever leaves the Church by declaring >it publicly or by leaving the game, the Church shall be >considered "orphan" until it achieves the following conditions: > >(1) it has 5 or more members whose game status is Active > >(2) it has 3 or more Priests > >(3) at least one of its Priests has already read, while being a >Priest, one of the Ackanomicon pages that refer to any of the >following: > >(a) the Arcane Lore >(b) Ancient Artefact >(c) Long Lost Treasure > >When it happens all Founder's duties or authorities will be >automatically transferred to the most Senior Priest, who shall >make it public by posting a message with the words "Follow me all >you members of ! Follow me and you will never get lost in >the darkness!", where is the name of the Church. > >If the Priest who first read the Ackanomicon pages listed above is >not the Senior Priest, the Senior Priest the Senior Priest is >encouraged to give this Priest a gift of eir (the Senior Priest's) >choice, like a Trinket, for example. > >If a Transfigured player is not considered a priest in any of the >Church or Cults of which he is a member, then its Founder must >make them a Priest within 7 days. Each clause is a separate idea which changes the permissibility of any given action as the clause indicates. Just because a clause is next to other clauses, it does not change its meaning; except where it is next to another and is its logical continuation (as in the last three paragraphs of the quote above). Thus, Founders do not have their normal churchly abilities with cults unless they are specifically granted them for Cults: which I do not see authotized anywhere. I think this is enough to justify the ruling of FALSE. Regarding Subsection C, it does not seem to extend the powers of the Founder, rather it seems to me to limit the Founder's abilities (as a logical continuation of B which deals with the trasition of Cults to Churches). It indicates that in the transition from Church to Cult the Founder's powers (such that a founder exists) are circumscribed as those of a priest in respect a Cult. For that matter E then removes Pol Pot from "cult JAM"'s priesthood because of the way the timing of his removal worked. Regarding JT's earlier comments, his alternate interpretations might persuade me that, implicitly, Cults are types of Churches if I were an activist Judge. For the puposes of nomic, however I am not. The nature of nomic is such that the rules should mean what they say and say what they mean: because it is so easy to modify their texts, we should deal with what their texts say until we do, in fact change them. And just for the record: All this is important because Pol Pot tried to let Thomas Jute into cult JAM as founder despite the fact that Pol Pot had been kicked out too. His status as founder and abilites thereof were therefore questioned by questioning Thomas Jute's entry. ------------------------------ From: Jonathan David Amery Subject: Re: Acka: T200 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:50:10 -0500 (EST) On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Mueller wrote: > Yes, I remember, but when did this catch me? Unless there is a signoff > with actual meaning (like this one with the gloating), I normally truncate > messages I quote by eliminating them.... It was in the On wrote bit... > Or was this just an attempt to get me to argue without re editing the whole > thing to keep the H*berts out? Or make me not care about saying H*bert by > convincing me I already have? Stop talking about me! H*bert, as was. -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats. \'####### Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo. Holding the Silver Key to the Vault. Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppethead. ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: postal Code Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:07:52 -0500 (EST) On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote: >> I am also, as Postmaster issuing the following CSR numbered 165 and >> delimited by POSTAL. It contains only modifications to the postal code. >> POSTAL >> In the postal code replace all occurances of acka-priv@ with >> ackanomic-priv@ >> POSTAL > >I object. This just fiddles the problem back to the other state. >A better fix would have been > >Replace "acka-priv@" with "acka-priv@ (or, equally, ackanomic-priv@)" Umm.. how do you figure that this fiddles the problem back to the other state. The postal code currently says acka-priv@. It needs to say ackanomic-priv@, and that's the change I made. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: postal Code Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:34:05 -0500 (EST) On Fri, 27 Nov 1998, JT wrote: >smallpox blanket pointed out to me privately that the postal code lists >acka-priv@ instead of ackanomic-priv@ > >Since they are the same list with only the reply-to being set differently, >I don't believe this causes any problems with the rules. > >I am also, as Postmaster issuing the following CSR numbered 165 and >delimited by POSTAL. It contains only modifications to the postal code. >POSTAL >In the postal code replace all occurances of acka-priv@ with >ackanomic-priv@ >POSTAL Well CSR 165 failed, so let's try this one more time. I create the following CSR numbered 166 and delimited by PRIV which only contains modifications to the Postal Code. All it does if fix the reference to acka-priv@ to be ackanomic-priv@ which is the correct list name. PRIV In the Postal Code, replace the following " delimited text " acka-priv@ is an alternate form of ackanomic@. " with the following " delimited text " ackanomic-priv@ is an alternate form of ackanomic@. " PRIV --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ From: JT Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 703 (TRUE) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:05:18 -0500 (EST) On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote: >Call for Judgement 703 - November 21, 1998 >Subject: Missed Cycle Win CWCFJ >Initiator: Alfvaen (sent Nov 21 1998, 00:44 Acka) >Judge: r-attila the farce (chosen Nov 24 1998, 04:19 Acka) >Judgement: TRUE Assuming this is not appealed, a cycle will end at Thu, 03 Dec 1998 06:59:02 -0500 (EST) and will be won by Alfvaen. --JT [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ] [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ] [-------------------------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ Subject: Acka: Snore From: alfvaen@connect.ab.ca (Aaron V. Humphrey) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:48:42 -0500 (EST) Since I believe that this organization no longer exists, I announce my intent to pseudofound an organization known as "They Might Still Be Slumbering Giants". -- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ ) Current Album--UHF Current Book--John D. Fitzgerald:The Great Brain Take my advice. I'm not using it at the moment, anyway. ------------------------------ From: Tom Walmsley Subject: Re: Acka: Snore Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:08:07 -0500 (EST) Aaron V. Humphrey wrote: > Since I believe that this organization no longer exists, I announce my > intent to pseudofound an organization known as "They Might Still Be > Slumbering Giants". I apply to join this organisation. Jenny. -- Tom Walmsley t.walmsley@lineone.net http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739 Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo. ------------------------------ From: Jonathan David Amery Subject: Acka: Stuff. Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:57:31 -0500 (EST) I apply to join SPAM I request that any monies owing to me be given to SPAM or Slakko for safe-keeping. I declare my intent to enter the location known as Ganymede (which is a moon of Acka). I play my OC Skeleton Key, naming the declared intent above, and move to Ganymede. I pay 15 points to create a new OC Skeleton Key in my possession. -- Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ. ##### http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html o__####### Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats. \'####### Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo. Holding the Silver Key to the Vault. Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppethead. ------------------------------ From: Gabe Drummond-Cole Subject: Re: Acka: Stuff. Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 20:16:33 -0500 (EST) If i have not already given money to Wild Card for voting YES on my proposals, i give Slakko A$15 for each one WC voted yes on (remember the extra misharfed retraction) -- Pol Pot Crazy French-Scotsman, Daring Adventurer, Dungeon Master, Really Weird, Rules-Harfer, Worker Caste, Weird ------------------------------ End of ackanomic Digest V3 #429 *******************************