Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #420
From: [email-masked] (ackanomic digest)
To: [email-masked]

ackanomic digest       Friday, November 20 1998       Volume 03 : Number 420

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:34:39 -0800 (PST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: postal Code

This is the new postal code.  The main changes are that it says that these
lists are the new public fora.   I also tried to clean up some of the
previous confusion around acka-research.  If people feel the new wording
is really broken, or what have you, please let me know and I'll revert it
to the wording that breadbox had previously which, while I feel was
slightly broken, has at least some history :)

This message also serves to confirm that this list is operational.  I am
sending it to all of the current lists, so if you are subscribed to more
than one (most of you are) you will recieve this once for each list.

--JT

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   The Postal Code
     _________________________________________________________________

   All addresses below which end in @ should be treated as having
   "ackanomic.org" appended to them.

   ackanomic@ is the official mailing list. It is an unrestricted public
   forum [but if a message would be more appropriate on a different
   mailing list, players are encouraged to use that one instead].

   acka-voting@ is the official voting mailing list. It is a public forum
   meant for game actions involving proposals. [Thus the Promoter and
   Tabulator would send most of the messages on this list, but it is also
   appropriate for other voting player actions (such as retracting a
   proposal).]

   acka-research@ is a public forum meant for discussion only. Messages
   sent to this list may not contain any player actions, game actions, or
   attempt on the part of a player to alter the game state within their
   text. [In short, no one *needs* to be subscribed to this list.]

   acka-chess@ is a public forum only to be used for game actions in
   Party Chess.

   acka-games@ is a public forum meant for game actions involving other
   subgames. [For example: Grab-a-Donkey, the Machine That Goes *ping*,
   and anything in the Games & Contests Rule Suite.] IRC servers are
   legal fora in lieu of acka-games@ provided the server in question is
   specified, and used as described in the rules.

   acka-duels@ is a public forum meant for game actions in the course of
   duels between players. IRC servers are legal fora in lieu of
   acka-duels@ provided the serverin question is specified and used ad
   described in the rules.

   acka-priv@ is an alternate form of ackanomic@.
   acka-games-priv@ is an alternate form of acka-games@.
   acka-duels-priv@ is an alternate form of acka-duels@.
   [These are used for public messages needing a private reply.]

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:41:24 +0000 (GMT)
From: The Karaoke Kid <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: postal Code

On receiving this list, I get a pain in all the diodes down my left side.
I feel the urge to stick my head in a bucket of water. Life. Don't talk to
me about life.

Jack Rudd
President of the unofficial Jackie Woodburne Fan Club

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X^n+Y^n=Z^n: no integer solutions for n>2.

I have discovered a truly remarkable proof of this,
but it won't fit into my sig file.
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On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, JT wrote:

> This is the new postal code.  The main changes are that it says that these
> lists are the new public fora.   I also tried to clean up some of the
> previous confusion around acka-research.  If people feel the new wording
> is really broken, or what have you, please let me know and I'll revert it
> to the wording that breadbox had previously which, while I feel was
> slightly broken, has at least some history :)
>
> This message also serves to confirm that this list is operational.  I am
> sending it to all of the current lists, so if you are subscribed to more
> than one (most of you are) you will recieve this once for each list.
>
> --JT
>
> ----------------------------------
>    The Postal Code
>      _________________________________________________________________
>
>    All addresses below which end in @ should be treated as having
>    "ackanomic.org" appended to them.
>
>    ackanomic@ is the official mailing list. It is an unrestricted public
>    forum [but if a message would be more appropriate on a different
>    mailing list, players are encouraged to use that one instead].
>
>    acka-voting@ is the official voting mailing list. It is a public forum
>    meant for game actions involving proposals. [Thus the Promoter and
>    Tabulator would send most of the messages on this list, but it is also
>    appropriate for other voting player actions (such as retracting a
>    proposal).]
>
>    acka-research@ is a public forum meant for discussion only. Messages
>    sent to this list may not contain any player actions, game actions, or
>    attempt on the part of a player to alter the game state within their
>    text. [In short, no one *needs* to be subscribed to this list.]
>
>    acka-chess@ is a public forum only to be used for game actions in
>    Party Chess.
>
>    acka-games@ is a public forum meant for game actions involving other
>    subgames. [For example: Grab-a-Donkey, the Machine That Goes *ping*,
>    and anything in the Games & Contests Rule Suite.] IRC servers are
>    legal fora in lieu of acka-games@ provided the server in question is
>    specified, and used as described in the rules.
>
>    acka-duels@ is a public forum meant for game actions in the course of
>    duels between players. IRC servers are legal fora in lieu of
>    acka-duels@ provided the serverin question is specified and used ad
>    described in the rules.
>
>    acka-priv@ is an alternate form of ackanomic@.
>    acka-games-priv@ is an alternate form of acka-games@.
>    acka-duels-priv@ is an alternate form of acka-duels@.
>    [These are used for public messages needing a private reply.]
>
>
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> [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 03:51:19 -0500
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: postal Code

dont anyone else respond to those initial messages of JT.  some are
boobytrapped with evil cc:'s, as our Protoceratopsish friend just discovered

--Pol Pot

Butthead -- Crazy French Scotsman -- Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master
--  Really Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Religious Caste

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things you gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.
Over 50% of all voting players have a rebelliousness of "on"
Happy! Happy! Happy!
I'm on fire!
To Ganymede and Titan, yes sir I've been around
I apply to join all pseudofounded organizations, vote no on all outstanding
IPs, remove myself from the CFJ ineligibility list, and go home.

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 05:06:36 -0500
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Offer

Wild Card: as per your request, I will give you A$15 per proposal to vote
YES on proposals 3740 through 3252 (a total of 13 proposals, or A$195).

--Pol Pot

Butthead -- Crazy French Scotsman -- Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master
--  Really Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Religious Caste

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things you gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.
Over 50% of all voting players have a rebelliousness of "on"
Happy! Happy! Happy!
I'm on fire!
To Ganymede and Titan, yes sir I've been around
I apply to join all pseudofounded organizations, vote no on all outstanding
IPs, remove myself from the CFJ ineligibility list, and go home.

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:21:20 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: postal Code

>dont anyone else respond to those initial messages of JT.  some are
>boobytrapped with evil cc:'s, as our Protoceratopsish friend just discovered

Those players who know how to use a simple reply instead of a reply-to-all
will not be bothered by those not-so-bad-as-earlier-intimated cc:'s.  Any
players whose mailers don't know the difference should get better mailers.

ThinMan
Just airing a pet peeve

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:38:57 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: e-mail records

Are the new lists being archived?  If so, how can we access the archives?
(For future reference.)  Also, will the old archives be transferred to
the new site?  Or elsewhere more under our control?

ThinMan

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From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Prez
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:25:58 -0600

JT was re-elected by a landslide.  We await with bated breath the grand
proposals, new mandates, and horrific scams that will no doubt issue
from your office :)

Votes:

JT -
/dev/joe
Pol Pot & EBS
JT & EBS & EBS
IdiotBoy
Robin Hood
smallpox blanket & EBS
else..if
Blarney
Thomas Jute
r-Atilla the Farce

IdiotBoy -
ThinMan & EBS
sIRE & EBS
Niccolo Flychuck
Wallace

Ethelred -

Wild Card -
Slakko & EBSVynd & EBS
Wild Card

Gromit -
Gromit

Wallace

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Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
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From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Senate
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:34:48 -0600

I'm not sure exactly how the Senators-elect choose their seats, but
/dev/joe got the most votes, with Vynd running a close second.  I'm also
not exactly sure which list to send this to, but I'm certain if I chose
wrong, someone will tell me :)

Votes:

/dev/joe -
/dev/joe
Pol Pot & EBS
JT & EBS & EBS
Gromit

Vynd -
ThinMan & EBSVynd & EBSBlarney
Wallace

sIRE -
sIRE & EBS

smallpox blanket -
smallpox blanket & EBS

r-Atilla the Farce -
r-Atilla the Farce

K 2 -
K 2
Wild Card
Slakko & EBS

Wallace

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Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
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"And now... Number one:  The Larch."

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From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Stoning against JT
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:47:34 -0600

The Stoning called on JT is complete, for the heinous misplacing of the
word, 'the' in a quote.  Alas for JT, the verdict was, "Hey man, look at
all the pretty colors!"

JT is now Martyred.  A new I Got Stoned For Your Sins And All I Got Was
This Lousy T-Shirt is created in his possession.  He is required to post
to a public forum a rhyming poem of at least 20 lines describing the
Stoning.

Votes:

"No, I live in a glass house.  Plus, I'm not without sin." -
Vynd
Ethelred
JT & EBS & EBS
K 2

"Hey man, look at all the pretty colors!" -
Pol Pot & EBS
else..if
smallpox blanket
Gromit
sIRE & EBS

The Green Ripper attempted to vote for something that was both amusing
and illegal, and used his GBS.  I believe this doesn't work, though the
verdict would be the same even if it did.

Wallace

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Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
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"And now... Number one:  The Larch."

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:50:22 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Senate elections

So, does this election fill all four seats, or just two?  The rule
doesn't seem quite clear for this situation.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 07:56:35 -0800 (PST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: e-mail records

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, John Bollinger wrote:
>Are the new lists being archived?  If so, how can we access the archives?
>(For future reference.)  Also, will the old archives be transferred to
>the new site?  Or elsewhere more under our control?

Yes, they are being archived.  In the same way that the old list was.
FTP will be the way to access it once IB turns on anon-ftp access.
I will post the exact URL once this occurs.   Yes, all the old archives
will be transferred :)

--JT, about to go write the CSR to *officially* switch the lists.

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From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: GAD!  (Round 6)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:58:51 -0600

As the last of the admirers slip away, we are left with a core of grim,
determined Grabbers.  And boy, did they Grab this Round!

Plays:

Pol Pot and Gromit hurled eir lassos at IdiotBoy, tangling them up with
the blanket that IdiotBoy used when e Covered.

Slakko snatched Aunt Froot's donkey, which looked forward to a new dawn
of peace and hope.

smallpox blanket went for Robin Hood's donkey, which was Covered.  Then
Thomas Jute went for smallpox blanket's donkey, which was not Covered.
Then Alfvaen went for Thomas Jute's donkey, which likewise was not
Covered.

/dev/joe Covered his donkey, which was wise, though unnecessary.

Current GAL:

Alfvaen
Pol Pot
/dev/joe
IdiotBoy
Gromit
Robin Hood
Slakko

Current Scores:

Slakko - 4
Robin Hood - 3
Alfvaen - 2
/dev/joe - 2
IdiotBoy - 2
Gromit - 2
Pol Pot - 1

Reply to this message with yr next play.

Wallace

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Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
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"And now... Number one:  The Larch."

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From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Senate elections
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:00:57 -0600

The Senate rule seems to only indicate the first two seats.  I guess
that the next Presidential election will fill the other two?

Wallace

>-----Original Message-----
>From:  [email-masked]
>[SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:  Friday, November 20, 1998 9:54 AM
>Sent:  Friday, November 20, 1998 9:54 AM
>To:    [email-masked]
>Subject:       Acka: Senate elections
>
>
>So, does this election fill all four seats, or just two?  The rule
>doesn't seem quite clear for this situation.
>
>
>ThinMan
>
>

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:03:12 +0000 (GMT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Offer

#vote 3740 Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
#end

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> Wild Card: as per your request, I will give you A$15 per proposal to vote
> YES on proposals 3740 through 3252 (a total of 13 proposals, or A$195).

 Done.  Although, as mentioned on IRC I will happily wait until after the
results come out to take the money.

--
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.
Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do.  Touch the puppethead.

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From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Senate
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:14:06 -0600 (CST)

> I'm not sure exactly how the Senators-elect choose their seats, but
> /dev/joe got the most votes, with Vynd running a close second.  I'm also
> not exactly sure which list to send this to, but I'm certain if I chose
> wrong, someone will tell me :)

The new lists are not part of the postal code until JT's CSR to change
the postal code takes effect after three days.  However, if all players
are subscribed to them, which I can't say for the egroups list but is
probably the case for this one, then it may not matter.

The senators are assigned randomly to vacant seats, since the rule that
puts them there doesn't differentiate between the seats.  I also note that
K2 was 3rd in the voting, and a tie for 4th exists between sIRE and
smallpox blanket.  I note that K2 is not currently eligible to hold the
senate seat.  If K2 became On Ice, he was removed from the list of
candidates in the election by R250, and sIRE and smallpox blanket hold the
other two seats.  If, however, K2 went directly to the state of Non-Player
then e remained on the list, though ineligible to hold the office.

> /dev/joe - 4 + 3 EBS's
> Vynd - 4 + 2 EBS's
> sIRE -  sIRE & EBS
> smallpox blanket - smallpox blanket & EBS
> r-Atilla the Farce - r-Atilla the Farce
> K 2 - 3 + 1 EBS

/dev/joe

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From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Senate
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:20:16 -0600

I still don't see how more than two seats are filled:

(From 411 - Senate)

At the time of a presidential election at most two seats are selected in
the following manner...

Wallace

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From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Senate
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:38:51 -0600 (CST)

Wallace wrote:
> I still don't see how more than two seats are filled:
>
> (From 411 - Senate)
>
> At the time of a presidential election at most two seats are selected in
> the following manner...

If you read on, that section only says that those selected seats have
their term of office expire.  If we are indeed in the thread where
the other senators were removed by K2's org-bomb, all four seats get
filled by the election which subsequently ended.  R402 says:

   f) At the end of the Election Period, the appropriate Officer shall
   publicly announce the vote tallies for each Nominee, and which
   Nominee(s) shall hold the Office.

   g) Letting N stand for the number of vacant Seats for the Office in
   question, the top N Nominees, ranked by votes received, shall hold the
   Office.

[and then discusses how to break ties].

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:44:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: postal Code

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, John Bollinger wrote:

> Those players who know how to use a simple reply instead of a reply-to-all
> will not be bothered by those not-so-bad-as-earlier-intimated cc:'s.  Any
> players whose mailers don't know the difference should get better mailers.
>
>

Has someone been listening to too much "Wha-da-ya-know?"

IB
Players who have won in the last week should sit on their hands and let
someone else have a chance for a change.

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:31:43 +0100
From: [email-masked] (kenningd)
Subject: acka: going on vacation

I go on vacation starting now, due to return on Wednesday November 25.

Ethelred

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From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Resignations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:37:23 -0600

Though I enjoy this game a lot, I evidently don't have error-checking
turned on well enough to do anything suitably constructive.

Therefore, before I do any more damage :)
I resign from the Office of Wrangler.  Anyone else who wants it, can
have it.  I'll send you everything you need keep it alive.

I also resign from the Office of Count Tabula.  I'm not sure if I need
to make the random determination for the Senate Seats, or if the OiCoRT
does, but I'll leave that to the next person.

I also change my status to Non-Voting.

Finally, I change my name back to Fortunato, just because.

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Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:56:50 -0500
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Resignations

>I resign from the Office of Wrangler.  Anyone else who wants it, can
>have it.  I'll send you everything you need keep it alive.

You cannot resign from the office of wrangler, since wrangler is not an
office.  It is a title that can only be transferred as described in the
rules.  In particular,

I. During the course of a game of Grab-a-Donkey, the Wrangler may
voluntarily give the transfer the title of Wrangler to any willing player
not on the GAL. The transfer must occur between two rounds, immediately
after the old wrangler releases the results for a round. If the Wrangler
goes on Vacation or quits the game of Ackanomic...

you did not go on vacation or quit.  So the only way to get rid of the
title is to give it directly to another player, not to resign from it
(which is an impossibility)

--Pol Pot

Butthead -- Crazy French Scotsman -- Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master
--  Really Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Religious Caste

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things you gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.
Over 50% of all voting players have a rebelliousness of "on"
Happy! Happy! Happy!
I'm on fire!
To Ganymede and Titan, yes sir I've been around
I apply to join all pseudofounded organizations, vote no on all outstanding
IPs, remove myself from the CFJ ineligibility list, and go home.

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From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Resignations
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:00:44 -0600

See?!  Exactly my point!  I'm a menace, and should be stopped at once.

I am offering the position of Wrangler to anyone who wants it.  I will
be away from e-mail for a couple of days, but if nobody responds by the
time I get back, I'll go on vacation or something.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:  Gabe Drummond-Cole [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:  Friday, November 20, 1998 12:57 PM
>To:    [email-masked]
>Subject:       Re: Acka: Resignations
>
>>I resign from the Office of Wrangler.  Anyone else who wants it, can
>>have it.  I'll send you everything you need keep it alive.
>
>You cannot resign from the office of wrangler, since wrangler is not an
>office.  It is a title that can only be transferred as described in the
>rules.  In particular,
>

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:03:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Bill Palmer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Twiddlehead (now a pair)

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:09:48 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Twiddlehead (now a pair)

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Bill Palmer wrote:
>Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.

I'm confused.  You don't have a puppethead currently.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:46:43 -0700 (MST)
From: Alexandre Muniz <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: JAM

I sugest that the Justified ancients of Mummu change its membership policy
to priviledged single player, with two-star as the priviledged player.
I approve this suggestion.
I deny all current applications for membership for the Justified Ancients
of Mummu.
**two-star

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:38:03 -0800 (PST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Alexandre Muniz wrote:
>I sugest that the Justified ancients of Mummu change its membership policy
>to priviledged single player, with two-star as the priviledged player.
>I approve this suggestion.
>I deny all current applications for membership for the Justified Ancients
>of Mummu.
>**two-star

And he achieves control of JAM with 2 minutes to spare before I would have
automatically been accepted back in.  Well done two-star.

--JT

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From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: I want to raise my freak flag
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 03:41:50 -0000

Instead, I set my rebelliousness flag, as that will have some game effect.

sb.

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:52:36 -0800 (PST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Resignations

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
>I also resign from the Office of Count Tabula.  I'm not sure if I need
>to make the random determination for the Senate Seats, or if the OiCoRT
>does, but I'll leave that to the next person.

Since K 2 was on ice, there was no tie.   the two 'tied' players both
recieved seats.

>I also change my status to Non-Voting.

Done.

>Finally, I change my name back to Fortunato, just because.

Done.

>Finally, I change my name back to Fortunato, just because.

I ack this name change.

--JT

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:07:03 -0800 (PST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Prez

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
>JT was re-elected by a landslide.  We await with bated breath the grand
>proposals, new mandates, and horrific scams that will no doubt issue
>from your office :)

I thank you all for your support.
I give A$20 to Gromit in payment of a private bet.

--JT

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:25:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Another transfer

I offer all my money (should be A$100) to Studge in return for eir GBS.

- --Pol Pot

Butthead -- Crazy French Scotsman -- Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master
- --  Really Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Religious Caste

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things you gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.
Over 50% of all voting players have a rebelliousness of "on"
Happy! Happy! Happy!
I'm on fire!
To Ganymede and Titan, yes sir I've been around
I apply to join all pseudofounded organizations, vote no on all outstanding
IPs, remove myself from the CFJ ineligibility list, and go home.
I disagree strongly with JT's contention that sig files are usually "pretty
obvious" and in fact take it as a direct insult to my so-called sig file.
I don't understand why text following my acka-name should be any less
significant simply because of its position in the message.  That seems a
particularly backwards and regressive view, especially for a nomic (which,
in my opinion, should be filled with logical thought, not mindless
irritation because something is a little unexpected.

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:40:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Another transfer

Pol Pot wrote:
>I offer all my money (should be A$100) to Studge in return for eir GBS.

Woo Hoo!  Free Money!

I take the money and run... 

... then guilt pangs cause me to leave the GBS for PP.

Thomas Jute

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:54:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Puppetheads

>I think you will agree that it is *usually* pretty obvious.  However,
>since I cannot offer an algorithm, I wouldn't propose it, that was just
>grumbling above, and a comment about it being annoying.

	It might be appropriate to make it officially annoying.

- --
- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:09:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Puppetheads

At 07:01 PM 11/20/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
>>> I apologize.  As someone pointed out to me, Wild Card's had a puppet head
>>> remover in his sig all week.  I personally think that sigs shouldn't be
>>> legal for stuff like that, but hey, there you go.  However, I refuse to
>>> do anything more than apologize for having missed it.
>>
>>One question: How do you define "sig"?
>
>I think you will agree that it is *usually* pretty obvious.  However,
>since I cannot offer an algorithm, I wouldn't propose it, that was just
>grumbling above, and a comment about it being annoying.

Is the following a "sig" in everyone's opinion, or is it OK? :

!!!!!!NOTE TO HARFERS!!!!!!  THERE ARE ACTIONS TO HARF BELOW THIS!

attn: SPEAKER:
Memo to myself: Do the dumb things you gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.
Over 50% of all voting players have a rebelliousness of "on"
I'm on fire!
I vote no on all outstanding IPs
To Ganymede and Titan, yes sir I've been around

attn: SCOREKEEPER and SPEAKER:
Happy! Happy! Happy!

attn: CotC:
I remove myself from the CFJ ineligibility list

attm: MAP HARFER:
I go home

attn: other players:
I apply to join all pseudofounded organizations

- --Pol Pot

Possible Butthead -- Crazy French Scotsman -- Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon
Master  --  Really Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Religious Caste -- Trying hard
not to be annoying

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:20:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3764

>Proposal 3764
>An old fashioned barn raising
>else...if
>Due: Fri Nov 27 21:05:19 1998
>
>	Create rule 810.1, "Bridge Building" reading as delimited by BUILDIT
>BUILDIT
>	{Destroy all logs and all stones.  Create 100 logs and 100 stones
>in the posession of each player.}

	It has been brought to my attention that that should have used
"{{".  My only explanation is that it's been a while.  I never made
mistakes like that when I had been playing for a while.
	The Infinate, Shminfinate rule should solve the problem anyway, so
don't worry about.  You can still vote for it.

- --
- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:24:12 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Puppetheads

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>I think you will agree that it is *usually* pretty obvious.  However,
>>since I cannot offer an algorithm, I wouldn't propose it, that was just
>>grumbling above, and a comment about it being annoying.
>
>Is the following a "sig" in everyone's opinion, or is it OK? :

In *my* opinion,and I stress that it's merely my opinion, placing
something like that in every message generates more work for ALL the
harfers named.  this is a BAD thing,   Making the harfers do useless grunt
work because you don't want to check the conditions to see if you need to
do an action is annoying and I do in fact plan on proposing it to be such.
Please take pity on the harfers, as their jobs are already hard enough.

- --JT

[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:50:27 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Puppetheads

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Towsner wrote:

> >I think you will agree that it is *usually* pretty obvious.  However,
> >since I cannot offer an algorithm, I wouldn't propose it, that was just
> >grumbling above, and a comment about it being annoying.
> 
> 	It might be appropriate to make it officially annoying.

You know, he may have a point.

Vynd

[email-masked]

> 
> --
> -Henry Towsner
> 
> 	<[email-masked]>
> 
> 	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
> enjoy it.
> 		-Logan Pearsall Smith
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:53:52 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Puppetheads

On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> At 07:01 PM 11/20/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> >>> I apologize.  As someone pointed out to me, Wild Card's had a puppet head
> >>> remover in his sig all week.  I personally think that sigs shouldn't be
> >>> legal for stuff like that, but hey, there you go.  However, I refuse to
> >>> do anything more than apologize for having missed it.
> >>
> >>One question: How do you define "sig"?
> >
> >I think you will agree that it is *usually* pretty obvious.  However,
> >since I cannot offer an algorithm, I wouldn't propose it, that was just
> >grumbling above, and a comment about it being annoying.
> 
> Is the following a "sig" in everyone's opinion, or is it OK? :

If it appears at the end of *all* of your (Acka) emails, I would have to
say that it is the longest and most annoying sig I have ever seen.

Vynd

[email-masked]

> 
> !!!!!!NOTE TO HARFERS!!!!!!  THERE ARE ACTIONS TO HARF BELOW THIS!
> 
> attn: SPEAKER:
> Memo to myself: Do the dumb things you gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.
> Over 50% of all voting players have a rebelliousness of "on"
> I'm on fire!
> I vote no on all outstanding IPs
> To Ganymede and Titan, yes sir I've been around
> 
> attn: SCOREKEEPER and SPEAKER:
> Happy! Happy! Happy!
> 
> attn: CotC:
> I remove myself from the CFJ ineligibility list
> 
> attm: MAP HARFER:
> I go home
> 
> attn: other players:
> I apply to join all pseudofounded organizations
> 
> 
> --Pol Pot
> 
> Possible Butthead -- Crazy French Scotsman -- Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon
> Master  --  Really Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Religious Caste -- Trying hard
> not to be annoying
> 

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