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ackanomic digest      Tuesday, November 17 1998      Volume 03 : Number 413

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:17:48 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Illuminatus page

I have an illuminatus page up and available at 
   http://www.ackanomic.org/~jt/acka/illuminatus.html

The format is slightly different than what Alfvaen used, but I believe
preserves all the same information and makes it reasonably easy to find
out who's got what, as well as all of the conditions in existance.

Please give me private feedback on this page as well as trying to spot
any further errors.   I'll probably hold off another week on a call
for agenda conditions, just so we don't cycle them with the two possible
Cycle wins that are coming up (the Museum one which I submitted and
Pol Pot's PW one which hasn't been returned yet).

- --JT, *fnord*

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:23:23 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: SBoC

I read the next page (page 8) of my Spell Book of Chorg.

It is a night as black as pitch as I open the book and read the next page,
the letters on the page blur together, and start writhing and reforming
into a variety of words, only some of which I can make out "Treen...
Characterize.."  A stiff draft from nowhere  blows down the block, which I
can only characterize as trying to skin me alive with the sharp needles
of rain it brings with it. I check the pages within the book again, and
see now a new line of words in a row "Wooden... cover... sheathe.."  I
shiver, and cover myself and the book as the rain on the wind attempts to
soak it.  I quickly encase my Spell Book in it's oilcloth wrapper and  I
go back inside my house and up the steep stairs to my attic and throw the
book on the table so that I can continue reading it.    Safe inside my dry
house, I read the page at last, smiling as it vanishes in a puff of inky
black smoke and a small bit of glittering starlight.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:29:39 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: SBoC Random Otzma Card determination

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# Player: JT (page 8)
# This is determining the Otzma Card aquired for reading a page in
# A Spellbook of Chorg.
# The determination is made according to the following table
# A value of - means that card cannot be selected for some reason.
#  1    Go Fish         
#  2    Map Shard
#  -    Summon Tornado          (at max instance)
#  3    Share My Expenses
#  -    Share Your Income       (at max instance)
#  4    Swinging Sale
#  -    Tactical Retreat        (at max instance)
#  5    Paratroop
#  -    Foul Fowl               (at max instance)
#  6    Truthseeker
#  7    Fix My Gadget
#  8    Art Thief
#  9    Skeleton Key
# 10    Artic Explorer
#  -    Lay Off!                (at max instance)
#  -    Founder's Boon          (at max instance)
# 11    Roulette Wheel
# 12    Training Regime
#  -    Shield                  (at max instance)
#  -    ACME InstaGadget        (at max instance)
# 13    Felicitous Populi
# 14   Enslavement

No. of sides on every die:     14
No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:    1
No. of rolls per line:          1

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> #P [email-masked]
> #T Acka: SBoC Random Otzma Card determination
> #S 14
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> 
> #C Player: JT (page 8)
> #C This is determining the Otzma Card aquired for reading a page in
> #C A Spellbook of Chorg.
> #C The determination is made according to the following table
> #C A value of - means that card cannot be selected for some reason.
> #C
> #C  1 Go Fish         
> #C  2 Map Shard
> #C  - Summon Tornado          (at max instance)
> #C  3 Share My Expenses
> #C  - Share Your Income       (at max instance)
> #C  4 Swinging Sale
> #C  - Tactical Retreat        (at max instance)
> #C  5 Paratroop
> #C  - Foul Fowl               (at max instance)
> #C  6 Truthseeker
> #C  7 Fix My Gadget
> #C  8 Art Thief
> #C  9 Skeleton Key
> #C 10 Artic Explorer
> #C  - Lay Off!                (at max instance)
> #C  - Founder's Boon          (at max instance)
> #C 11 Roulette Wheel
> #C 12 Training Regime
> #C  - Shield                  (at max instance)
> #C  - ACME InstaGadget        (at max instance)
> #C 13 Felicitous Populi
> #C 14   Enslavement
> 
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:37:10 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: SBoC Random Otzma Card determination

On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Dice server wrote:
>Dice rolls requested by: JT <[email-masked]>
>Rolls also sent to:
>    [email-masked]
>
># Player: JT (page 8)
># This is determining the Otzma Card aquired for reading a page in
># A Spellbook of Chorg.
># The determination is made according to the following table
># A value of - means that card cannot be selected for some reason.
>#  1    Go Fish         

>No. of sides on every die:     14
>No. of dice for every roll:     1
>No. of dice rolls requested:    1
>No. of rolls per line:          1
>
>      1

And now I feel (and look) like a complete idiot (no relation to any other
players).

I donate A$10 to the twits for reading my book BEFORE playing an OC out of
my pile and thus causing my book to be destroyed in a very nasty gout of
fire.

Gah!  stupid stupid stupid me.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:41:52 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Let's see

I have an OC ACME InstaGadget.
I was vaguely persuaded by the arguments that had Slakko had one, he could
have gotten an SBoC for no money, so.

I read one of my two OC InstaGadgets and name a Spell Book of Chorg.
It will be created in my possession in 3 days.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:45:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bryan Federico" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Election for Prez

>> >> The nomination period for President is over.
>> >> Nominees:
>> >> JT
>> >> IdiotBoy
>> >> Ethelred
>> >> Wild Card
>> >> Gromit
>> >> Reply to this message with your vote.  Nominees, get out your 
soapboxes!
>> > My intent is to have a period of presidency without scams.  Quite 
how
>> >this can be achieved I don't know - but certainly it is the case 
that at
>> >least two of the names on the list above have been associated with 
scams
>> >recently - and hence should be suspect as far as their election to 
this
>> >post is concerned. 
>> So says the man who voted against the CRD which would fix the Bonus 
Vote
>> Scam which he has been blatantly abusing.   At least I voted against 
the
>> scam when the cards came down.  So, I find your claim of wanting a
>> presidency without scams to be so much hot air.
>
> I can pretty much guarrenttee that if you vote for me then no scams 
will
>occur during my term of office.  And a CRD was not the right medium for
>that fix.  And /this/ from the guy who was in on the plot to take over
>Acka!
>
>-
>
Okay what good is playing with out a little scamming ever so often I 
mean I know either of these two players would jump on a scam win 
condition if it was there for the taking so what its what all of us from 
acka should expect. Its the spice of Life have a little fun Live it Up 
and watch your nieghbors with both eyes. :) BTW: I personally urge 
everyone to vote for good old faithful respectable JT. Oh YEah and I 
would greatly appreciate your Vote for me as a Senator cause it would be 
fun for me to at least pretend that I had some sort of power. :)

R-Attila The Farce
(:|Worker|General Contractor|Daring Adventurer|:)

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:49:09 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bryan Federico" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Election for Prez

>>	Personally, I'd like to see an IRC debate.

Wow this is such agreat Idea I like it so much that I gift Else..if A$5 
(I would give more but i think im kinda short on funds right now so only 
5 to be safe)

R-Attila The Farce
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:50:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: do the stuff you gotta do

i convert 15 points into an otzma card Art Thief

I read my otzma card Art Thief and name the only GBS that's in there.

I submit the following CFJ:

Statement: Pol Pot is a butthead
Reasoning: None

- --Pol Pot

Butthead -- Crazy French Scotsman -- Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master
- --  Really Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Warrior Caste

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things you gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.
Over 50% of all voting players have a rebelliousness of "on"
Happy, Happy, Happy

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:55:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Election for Prez

Presidential Debates are back!!!!!

On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, JT wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Towsner wrote:
> 
> >	Personally, I'd like to see an IRC debate.
> 
> I'm available this evening :)  Better have some other folks there though,
> so that there are some questions to debate.
> 
> - --JT
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:35:45 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Art Thief Determination

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# Player: A Mean Hat
# A Mean Hat attempted to steal the only GBS in the museum (Rex Mundi's)
# The GBS has a value of 371 A$, and thus an 38% chance of failure
#  1 -  38  The theft failed
# 39 - 100  The theft worked

No. of sides on every die:    100
No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:    1
No. of rolls per line:          1

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> #T Acka: Art Thief Determination
> 
> #C Player: A Mean Hat
> #C A Mean Hat attempted to steal the only GBS in the museum (Rex Mundi's)
> #C The GBS has a value of 371 A$, and thus an 38% chance of failure
> #C 
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> #C 39 - 100  The theft worked
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:39:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: i feel a bit scammy but oh well

I offer my GBS to JAM.  As a Priest of JAM, I accept.

- --Pol Pot

Butthead -- Crazy French Scotsman -- Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master
- --  Really Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Warrior Caste

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things you gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.
Over 50% of all voting players have a rebelliousness of "on"
Happy, Happy, Happy

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:08:49 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Something silly.

Man, I'm stoned.

- --JT
"I pledge my troth to the Lady Jane" [Rolling Stones, Lady Jane]

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:12:14 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hey, look at all the pretty colors.

Everybody is running the the streets like their houses are on fire.  Maybe I
should find out what's going on.  Nah.  Let them burn.

Must get some food soon.   These munchies are driving me up the wall.   If
I don't eat... like cows eat grass.... mmmmm grass, that's what I need more
of.

Get ahold of myself, I must.   Rambling and speaking like a jedi master, am I.
Sound really silly, I do.

Stoned is the only way to be, I tell you.   Hmmm, where did I put those pills?
Nah... I don't need them any more.

- --JT
"I pledge my troth to the Lady Jane" [Rolling Stones, Lady Jane]

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:15:28 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Something silly. (2)

Man, I'm stoned.

- --JT
"I pledge my troth to Lady Jane" [Rolling Stones, Lady Jane]

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:17:41 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hey, look at all the pretty colors. (2)

Everybody is running the the streets like their houses are on fire.  Maybe I
should find out what's going on.  Nah.  Let them burn.

Must get some food soon.   These munchies are driving me up the wall.   If
I don't eat... like cows eat grass.... mmmmm grass, that's what I need more
of.

Get ahold of myself, I must.   Rambling and speaking like a jedi master, am I.
Sound really silly, I do.

Stoned is the only way to be, I tell you.   Hmmm, where did I put those pills?
Nah... I don't need them any more.

- --JT
"I pledge my troth to Lady Jane" [Rolling Stones, Lady Jane]

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:19:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hey, look at all the pretty colors.

>
>--JT
>"I pledge my troth to the Lady Jane" [Rolling Stones, Lady Jane]
> 
this quote is slightly off... the "the" is misplaced, i think.

In accordance with rule 1145, i call for a stoning on JT.  This is a
hearing, and is also an Extremely Silly Matter.  The valid responses to a
Stoning are "No, I live in a glass house. Plus I'm not without sin."[it was
valid] and "Hey man, look at all the pretty colors!!".[invalid]

i am hearing harfer.  respond to vote

- --Pol Pot

Butthead -- Crazy French Scotsman -- Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master
- --  Really Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Warrior Caste

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things you gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.
Over 50% of all voting players have a rebelliousness of "on"
Happy, Happy, Happy

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:21:04 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Something silly. (3)

Man, I'm stoned.

- --JT
"I pledge my troth to Lady Jane" [Rolling Stones, Lady Jane]

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:22:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hey, look at all the pretty colors.

At 04:19 AM 11/17/98 -0500, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>
>>--JT
>>"I pledge my troth to the Lady Jane" [Rolling Stones, Lady Jane]
>> 
>this quote is slightly off... the "the" is misplaced, i think.
>
>In accordance with rule 1145, i call for a stoning on JT.  This is a
>hearing, and is also an Extremely Silly Matter.  The valid responses to a
>Stoning are "No, I live in a glass house. Plus I'm not without sin."[it was
>valid] and "Hey man, look at all the pretty colors!!".[invalid]
>
>i am hearing harfer.  respond to vote
>
Now that i read the rule, I realize Count Tabula is hearing harfer... wait
for em to vote.
- --Pol Pot

Butthead -- Crazy French Scotsman -- Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master
- --  Really Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Warrior Caste

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things you gotta do.  Touch the puppet head.
Over 50% of all voting players have a rebelliousness of "on"
Happy, Happy, Happy

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:22:49 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hey, look at all the pretty colors. (3)

Everybody is running the the streets like their houses are on fire.  Maybe I
should find out what's going on.  Nah.  Let them burn.

Must get some food soon.   These munchies are driving me up the wall.   If
I don't eat... like cows eat grass.... mmmmm grass, that's what I need more
of.

Get ahold of myself, I must.   Rambling and speaking like a jedi master, am I.
Sound really silly, I do.

Stoned is the only way to be, I tell you.   Hmmm, where did I put those pills?
Nah... I don't need them any more.

- --JT
"I pledge my troth to Lady Jane" [Rolling Stones, Lady Jane]

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:29:16 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hey, look at all the pretty colors. (3)

On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, JT wrote:
>Everybody is running the the streets like their houses are on fire.  Maybe I
>should find out what's going on.  Nah.  Let them burn.
>
>Must get some food soon.   These munchies are driving me up the wall.   If
>I don't eat... like cows eat grass.... mmmmm grass, that's what I need more
>of.
>
>Get ahold of myself, I must.   Rambling and speaking like a jedi master, am I.
>Sound really silly, I do.
>
>Stoned is the only way to be, I tell you.   Hmmm, where did I put those pills?
>Nah... I don't need them any more.

And yes, I'm done now.. I just noticed how easy earth skill was to
increase :)

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:42:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Illuminatus page

On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, JT wrote:

> I have an illuminatus page up and available at 
>    http://www.ackanomic.org/~jt/acka/illuminatus.html
> 
> The format is slightly different than what Alfvaen used, but I believe
> preserves all the same information and makes it reasonably easy to find
> out who's got what, as well as all of the conditions in existance.
> 
> Please give me private feedback on this page as well as trying to spot
> any further errors.   I'll probably hold off another week on a call
> for agenda conditions, just so we don't cycle them with the two possible
> Cycle wins that are coming up (the Museum one which I submitted and
> Pol Pot's PW one which hasn't been returned yet).

No, sorry, that won't do.  The additional cycle win could happen without
destroying the first set of agenda hats, as it would happen before the new
Agenda Hats were created.  There could very well be two overlapping calls
for Agenda Hats, with the auction on one set going on while the conditions
are being accumulated for the other.  Technically it is your duty to make
the current call within 3 days.

- -- 
Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College
http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:43:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 686 (Wild Card)

The Green Ripper has gone deadbeat.
Wild Card has been selected.

Call for Judgement 686 - November 5, 1998
Subject: JT's Winning Condition (3rd time lucky)
Initiator: JT (sent 05 Nov 1998, 15:09 Acka)
1st Judge: The Green Ripper (chosen 7 Nov 1998, 15:25 Acka) (deadbeat)
2nd Judge: Wild Card
Judgement:

Statement:
        JT has achieved a winning condition during the current cycle.

Reasoning:
        On  Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:53:15 -0500 (EST)  JT donated A$2705 to
the museum in the form of 2 of Malenkai's Gold Coins (#27 and #28) and
the trinket 'JT cleaned out his closet and found all of this junk' (value
of A$2703).  Since his Benefactor Value at the time of donation was
A$2296, this brought his total Benefactor Value to over A$5001.  Since
this was the first time that JT had a Benefactor Value greater than
A$5000, e achieved a Winning Condition.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:44:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 695 (FALSE)

else...if has judged this FALSE.

Call for Judgement 695 - November 15, 1998
Subject: Research Public Message PWCFJ
Initiator: K 2 (sent Nov 15 1998, 01:55 Acka)
Judge: else...if (chosen Nov 16 1998, 05:04 Acka)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:
The legality of a goaled player sending four messages to acka-research
cannot be determined with finality.

Reasoning:

This is a Paradox Win CFJ.
[Like we *need* another scam this month :)]

The Postal Code:
acka-research@ is a public forum meant for discussion only. It cannot be
used for public actions or any other game actions. [In short, no one
*needs* to be subscribed to this list.]

Rule 370:
If a message is sent to a mailing list named in the Postal Code, then it
is a public message if and only if the Postal Code indicates that
mailing list is a public forum, and any actions attempted in the message
obey the restrictions outlined in the Postal Code for that list.

CFJ 336 established that a "public message" is a "game action".

A message sent to research can not be a public message since if it were
it would also be a game action and would thus violate the restriction
placed on the list by the postal code. Since it is not a public message
it is not a game action and thus conforms with the list requirements and
thus is a public message, but since it is a public message it
doesn't.....

an infinite loop....

Since it cannot be determined with finality if player's message to
research is a public message or not, it can not be determined how many
public messages they have sent. Rule 709 permits a goaled player to send
three public messages but it is impossible to determine if they have
sent a legal number (less than four) or an illegal number (four or
more).

[While I'm here I just like to let the goose know that when e comes over
to my house *I* will take to to the movies and stuff.... not like other
players]

Judge's Reasoning:

Since CFJ 336, laws have changed in a way that leaves no question
that public messages are game actions. (I note rules 709 and 250.)  This
leaves the question of the iff statement in rule 370, which, restated,
reads: message is public IFF list is public forum and "any actions
attempted **IN** the message obey the restrictions outlined in the Postal
Code for that list." (emphasis mine).  For K2's argument to work, the act
of sending a message must be attempted in the message.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:46:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 694 (FALSE)

Pol Pot has judged this FALSE.

Call for Judgement 694 - November 15, 1998
Subject: Messages on acka-research
Initiator: JT (sent Nov 15 1998, 00:31 Acka)
Judge: Pol Pot (chosen Nov 16 1998, 04:54 Acka)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:

JT's messages to the acka-research list while he was Postal did not result
in him paying A$79 to the treasury for each message.

Reasoning:

Rule 709 is the only definition of game action.  It says
   If a player is in the Gaol, they may perform no game actions except
   those on the following numbered list and those allowed by Rule 101. If
   a particular action on this list is not defined elsewhere the rules,
   however, it is considered to be "prohibited". This clause defers to
   any other rule which regulates any action on the following list:
and then later says
   7) A player in the Gaol may post up to 3 public messages a day.

This implies that posting a public message is a game action.
That statement has also been found to be true in previous CFJs (notably
CFJ 336, and further confirmed in CFJ 526, the second of which came after
the statement about public messages were added to the list of Gaol allowed
actions)

Further, rule 370 says
   If a message is sent to a mailing list named in the Postal Code, then
   it is a public message if and only if the Postal Code indicates that
   mailing list is a public forum, and any actions attempted in the
   message obey the restrictions outlined in the Postal Code for that
   list.

The Postal Code says
   acka-research@ is a public forum meant for discussion only. It cannot
   be used for public actions or any other game actions. [In short, no
   one *needs* to be subscribed to this list.]

Therefore, even though the Postal Code calls acka-research a public forum,
it cannot be used for any game action, and thus anything sent to it cannot
be a public message since by prior game custom, a public message is a game
action.

This strongly indicates that the current postal code formulation is
flawed, but that can wait for correction until another day.  In the
meantime, nothing posted to the research list can have a game effect,
and that includes implicitly affecting the game state I believe.

Judge's Reasoning:

JT's postings to acka-research did not contain attempted game actions, so
were public messages.  The important distinction is between a message
which
attempts a game action and a message which has a game effect.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:47:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 692 (1-TRUE) (/dev/cortex)

Pol Pot has appealed.  /dev/cortex has been selected.

Call for Judgement 692 - November 9, 1998
Subject: Happy Number Determination
Initiator: Alfvaen (sent 9 Nov 1998, 22:31 Acka)
Judge: Wild Card (chosen 12 Nov 1998, 05:40 Acka)
Judgement: TRUE (promulgated 15 Nov 1998, 11:56 Acka)
Appellant: Pol Pot
Cortex: /dev/cortex (/dev/joe and Gromit)

Statement:

The Happy Number is 105.

Alfvaen's Reasoning:

<none>

Judge's Reasoning:

I agree with the initiator's reasoning.

Appellant's Reasoning:

rule 205 says: "Retroactive score changes are not permitted, but
corrections to the scores are allowed when an error is discovered. This
section (6) has precedence over sections 1 thru 5, where there is a
conflict."

So all of our attempts on the happy number succeeded, even though the
scores were wrong.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:15:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Election for Prez

On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, JT wrote:

> Oh yeah.. like anyone *other* was going to vote yes for a proposal which
> punished them for doing so.   And speaking of which, that prop was just as
> scammy as P3720, and you know it, so get offa yer high horse :)

 Oh, yeah, not quite - it wouldn't have left us with the power to
arbitrarially change the rules.

 And it was a counter scam.

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.
Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do.  Touch the puppethead. 

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:19:59 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Election for Prez

JT wrote:

> Was I?  The only verifiable thing is how I voted.

Arf wif eir ead Eir Log
Founded:
Membership:
     Voting Members:/dev/joe, JT, saaremaa, Gromit, smallpox blanket, Thomas
Jute
     Proxied Memberssaaremaa

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:26:02 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 690 (K 2)

I remove my self from the CFJ ineligibility list.

K 2

Duncan Richer wrote:

> K 2 has been selected.
>
> Call for Judgement 690 - November 7, 1998
> Subject: Mungibility of Nontradeability
> Initiator: JT (sent 7 Nov 1998, 14:18 Acka)
> Judge: K 2
> Judgement:
>
> Statement:
> JT has three whamiols.
>
> Reasoning:
> If the original determination for JT's play of the Arctic Explorer card
> was valid, then this CFJ is TRUE.
>
> If the original determination was false, then JT has a Magic Radish that
> he did not previously have.
>
> I believe that the first determination was accurate because when the
> entities Magic Radish and Rock to Wind a String around, were repealed they
> ceased to be tradeable.   I believe they are still entities however.
>
> Rule 500 states that
> >Something is an entity if and only if the rules specify that it is, or
> >it is defined by the Rules and Ackanomic tradition indicates that it is
> >an entity.
>
> They are still entities, because Ackanomic tradition has them as entities.
>
> Rule 500 further states
> >An entity may not be created, destroyed, or manipulated except as
> >specified by the Rules.
>
> Rule 502 states
> >Each entity is either unownable, nontradeable, or tradeable. Tradeable
> >entities are either giftable or ackable, and are either protected or
> >exportable. Tradeable entities are ackable and protected unless the
> >Rules specify otherwise. An entity is nontradeable unless the Rules
> >specify otherwise. If an entity is nontradeable or tradeable then it
> >is ownable.
>
> I would argue that the entities became non-tradeable by rule 502 when they
> ceased to be defined by the rules.   Since this is rule 502 applying the
> change of state from tradeability to non-tradeability, I would argue that
> rule 500 does not take precedence and block this manipulation of
> tradeability since it is happening as defined in the rules.
>
> If this argument is accurate, then the first determination was valid, and
> the statement is TRUE.  Otherwise the statement is FALSE.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:38:52 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Hey, look at all the pretty colors.

Pol Pot has called for a Stoning on the message sent by JT (apparently,
he misplaced a word or something).  Right, then.  I am the hearing
harfer for this hearing.  Remember, this is an Extremely Silly Matter,
so vote appropriately.  The valid responses are "No, I live in a glass
house.  Plus I'm not without sin." (valid), or "Hey man, look at all the
pretty colors!!" (invalid)

Reply to this message to vote.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:48:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Hey, look at all the pretty colors.

On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:

> Pol Pot has called for a Stoning on the message sent by JT (apparently,
> he misplaced a word or something).  Right, then.  I am the hearing
> harfer for this hearing.  Remember, this is an Extremely Silly Matter,
> so vote appropriately.  The valid responses are "No, I live in a glass
> house.  Plus I'm not without sin." (valid), or "Hey man, look at all the
> pretty colors!!" (invalid)
> 

 No. I live in all the pretty colours!!

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.
Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do.  Touch the puppethead. 

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:50:41 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Illuminatus page

On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, JT wrote:
> 
> > I have an illuminatus page up and available at 
> >    http://www.ackanomic.org/~jt/acka/illuminatus.html
> > 
> > The format is slightly different than what Alfvaen used, but I believe
> > preserves all the same information and makes it reasonably easy to find
> > out who's got what, as well as all of the conditions in existance.
> > 
> > Please give me private feedback on this page as well as trying to spot
> > any further errors.   I'll probably hold off another week on a call
> > for agenda conditions, just so we don't cycle them with the two possible
> > Cycle wins that are coming up (the Museum one which I submitted and
> > Pol Pot's PW one which hasn't been returned yet).
> 
> No, sorry, that won't do.  The additional cycle win could happen without
> destroying the first set of agenda hats, as it would happen before the new
> Agenda Hats were created.  There could very well be two overlapping calls
> for Agenda Hats, with the auction on one set going on while the conditions
> are being accumulated for the other.  Technically it is your duty to make
> the current call within 3 days.

We'll probably have to impeach him.

Vynd

[email-masked]

> 
> -- 
> Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College
> http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
> Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:15:56 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: GAD! (Round 5)

So, I'll bet you're all on the edge of your seats.  You're asking
yourselves, "But what DID happen in the previous Round of
Grab-A-Donkey?"  Well, I'll tell you.

Aunt Froot, smallpox blanket, and Thomas Jute stood around and admired
their donkeys.

Alfvaen, Pol Pot, and Robin Hood Covered their donkeys.

/dev/joe snatched a donkey from IdiotBoy, who promptly snatched a donkey
from /dev/joe.  Th

Gromit grabbed r-Atilla the Farce's donkey, while e was looking off into
space.

Slakko appropriated Robert Sevin's idle donkey, who was actually quite
relieved to be in the possession of an active player.

Current GAL:

Alfvaen
A Mean Hat.
Aunt Froot
/dev/joe
IdiotBoy
Gromit
smallpox blanket
Robin Hood
Slakko
Mao the Just

Current Scores:

Slakko - 3
Gromit - 2
IdiotBoy - 2
/dev/joe - 2
Everyone else - 1

Reply to this message with yr next play.

Wallace

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Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
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"And now... Number one:  The Larch."

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:07:52 -0500 (EST)
From: "bacon" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC: merging some lists together

> That's actually not a bad idea.  What do other folks think?

do others think?

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:05:43 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Illuminatus page

On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:
>We'll probably have to impeach him.

Nope.

Since you're all gonna be that way, I hereby start a call for agenda
submissions.

Submission period is 1 week from today.

You do realize that this could result in too many hats/conditions being
out there since during *this* submission phase (assuming I wasn't
illuminatus) I could submit 3, and then during the one for next cycle I
could also submit 3 and that's just broken.

Well, we'll see what happens.

- --JT

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