Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #394
From: [email-masked] (ackanomic digest)
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ackanomic digest       Friday, November 6 1998       Volume 03 : Number 394

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:00:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Peachy (joining the fun)

This message shall serve as an Impeachment Paper.  It is the
unambiguously stated intent of this Impeachment Paper to remove Slakko
from the Office of Senator.

You are hereby notified that all Voting Players, with the exception of
Slakko, shall be able to cast one vote either YES or NO on the matter of
removing said Officer from Office. The voting period shall be 3 days. All
votes on this matter shall be cast in the public forum.

I vote YES on this
I vote NO on /dev/joe's
I vote NO on Studge's

- --A Mean Hat.

Crazy French Scotsman -- Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master  --  Really
Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Warrior Caste

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:01:01 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Tangeriny

I do hope that the following actions of mine shall be taken in the
least personally-oriented light imaginable.

I hereby submit an Impeachment paper against JT for the office of
Speaker.  The reasons Vynd has given for eir own IP hold for me as
well.

I also vote YES on the IPs submitted against /dev/joe and Studge.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Negativland:Drink It Up
Current Book--Tom Wolfe:The Bonfire of The Vanities
I'd much rather have a trampoline in my front room than an isolation tank.

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:11:35 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Tangeriny

Alfvaen wrote:
> I do hope that the following actions of mine shall be taken in the
> least personally-oriented light imaginable.
> 
> I hereby submit an Impeachment paper against JT for the office of
> Speaker.  The reasons Vynd has given for eir own IP hold for me as
> well.

I vote NO on this impeachment paper.
I vote YES on the impeachment paper against Slakko.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:15:14 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Tangeriny

On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>I do hope that the following actions of mine shall be taken in the
>least personally-oriented light imaginable.
>
>I hereby submit an Impeachment paper against JT for the office of
>Speaker.  The reasons Vynd has given for eir own IP hold for me as
>well.

Let's make it a full house.

I hereby submit an Impeachment Paper against Rex Mundi for the Office of
Senator.   I think the reasons for all these impeachement papers have
become obvious by now.

>I also vote YES on the IPs submitted against /dev/joe and Studge.

I vote NO on the Impeachment Papers filed against Slakko and Rex Mundi
(yeah, noone said I had to be consistant.. I'm willing to wager 10 points
to prevent a single player from being dictator though)

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:27:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Alexandre Muniz <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Peachy.

I vote yes on all outstanding IP's. Then I vote yes on the remaining
IP's.

two-star

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:27:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Peachy.

Vynd wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Thierry Joffrain wrote:
> 
> > I vote NO on the IP against /dev/joe
> > I vote NO on the IP against Studge.
> > 
> > I'd need some mighty reasons to impeach such mighty senators; haven't seen any.
> 
> Well, as I see it, they and a few others have engineered a situation where
> they will be able to take "dictatorial" control over the game in a few
> hours. Unless we impeach them. hrm...

I didn't engineer any of this.  I voted against Governments, and against
Felicitous Populi, and I have never been rebellious. 

Governments were created by proposal 3495, which IdiotBoy, Vynd, Gromit, K2,
two-star, Rex Mundi, Wild Card, Alfvaen, Aunt Froot, Slakko, and Studge
voted for, and are essentially unchanged today.

The Felicitous Populi card was created by proposal 3143, which Gromit, K2,
Alfvaen, rufus, JT, Koxvolio, Aunt Froot, Fortunato, Slakko, and The
Green Ripper voted for, and the rule has never been amended.

The players who were rebellious and caused the change of governments were:
JT, Gromit, Rex Mundi (Sept 4)
eirs, IdiotBoy (Oct 14)
Alfvaen (Oct 15)
Wild Card (Oct 17)
Vynd (Oct 28)
A Mean Hat. (Oct 30)

So if anything, it was Gromit and Alfvaen who caused this situation, having
been involved in all three of these actions, and Gromit also being the one
who played the Felicitous Populi card.

IdiotBoy, Vynd, K2, Rex Mundi, Wild Card, Aunt Froot, Slakko, and JT had
a part in the act, being involved in 2 of the 3.

two-star, Studge, rufus, Koxvolio, Fortunato, The Green Ripper, eirs, and
A Mean Hat. each took part in a single one of these three crucial events.

I was involved with none of it!

Vote NO on the impeachment paper to remove me from the senate.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:30:43 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Tangeriny

JT wrote:
> I hereby submit an Impeachment Paper against Rex Mundi for the Office of
> Senator.   I think the reasons for all these impeachement papers have
> become obvious by now.
> 
> >I also vote YES on the IPs submitted against /dev/joe and Studge.
> 
> I vote NO on the Impeachment Papers filed against Slakko and Rex Mundi
> (yeah, noone said I had to be consistant.. I'm willing to wager 10 points
> to prevent a single player from being dictator though)

I vote NO on the impeachment paper against Rex Mundi.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:37:33 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Peachy.

On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
>Governments were created by proposal 3495, which IdiotBoy, Vynd, Gromit, K2,
>two-star, Rex Mundi, Wild Card, Alfvaen, Aunt Froot, Slakko, and Studge
>voted for, and are essentially unchanged today.

I also voted against Governments, and have voted against all props related
to governments as well.  (yes, I would have preferred it remaining at 50%
of ALL players, not just voting ones to cause a rebellion as that would
never have occured.)

>The Felicitous Populi card was created by proposal 3143, which Gromit, K2,
>Alfvaen, rufus, JT, Koxvolio, Aunt Froot, Fortunato, Slakko, and The
>Green Ripper voted for, and the rule has never been amended.

This I do take part of the blame for.  It seemed harfy, and expensive to
truly abuse.   All of the uses of it (save one to rig a rafting trip) have
used multiple hundreds of dollars.  Something that expensive isn't too
scammy, but I'll admit it's annoying now and I'm regretting voting for it.

>The players who were rebellious and caused the change of governments were:
>JT, Gromit, Rex Mundi (Sept 4)

This was done by me as a political statement.   I was rebelling against
the government rule itself, and would much prefer to keep a democracy.

>IdiotBoy, Vynd, K2, Rex Mundi, Wild Card, Aunt Froot, Slakko, and JT had
>a part in the act, being involved in 2 of the 3.

This I cannot deny, but my reasons were given above.   Unfortunately, too
late to change them.

I have you will note voted NO on all of the IPs out there (except mine
where I cannot vote).  My sole reason for calling the IP against Rex was
so that there was not a sole player in charge of the voting.

>Vote NO on the impeachment paper to remove me from the senate.

I would urge other players to also vote NO on all of these impeachement
papers, and to let the game return to normal.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 01:21:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: This is just silly

I vote NO on all the IPs I've not voted on, and can.

I think that should be: Slakko, JT (both as Speaker and Pres), and Rex.

Studge (only 1/3 to blame for this and then only because Governments
sounded pretty harfy to me... actually, if we'd not done all this power
grabbing they still might be cool.)

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 01:34:43 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Peachy.

> I didn't engineer any of this.  I voted against Governments, and against
> Felicitous Populi, and I have never been rebellious. 

It is entirely possible to oppose a course of action which leads to an
easily scammable situation, and yet make a point of exploiting that scam.
It is also possible to not exploit that scam.  I have no idea who is in
which group, myself.

> So if anything, it was Gromit and Alfvaen who caused this situation, having
> been involved in all three of these actions, and Gromit also being the one
> who played the Felicitous Populi card.

It all just seems so dreary.  That's all I can say.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Happy Rhodes:Would That I Could
Current Book--Tom Wolfe:The Bonfire of The Vanities
Kids, don't try this at home--do it at school!!!

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 01:38:42 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: And the assembly is in session, Where IS everyone.

The Government of Ackanomic is now Elected Assembly, but all our
assembleged seem to have been called away on other business.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 01:58:27 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: aaccckkkaaaaackaaaccckkkaaaaackaaaccckkkaaaaacka

I vote YES on all current IPs if I haven't already done so.

K 2

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 02:02:21 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: asdckaackaacksda

I vote YES on all IPs.

K 2

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 02:04:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bryan Federico" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:IP's suck

I vote no an all current IP's
except Slakko's, and Rex Mundi's
on these 2 i vote Yes

R-Attila The Farce
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 02:14:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: ACK issue 14: Special Rebellion Issue

                   Ackanomic Cyclopedia of Knowledge
Volume 1 issue 14                                          November 6, 1998
==========================================================================

In this issue:
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Governmental Insanity
Fishing Tricks

Governmental Insanity
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by /dev/joe

The rebellion ended a few minutes ago, and we immediately saw a flurry of
proposals going through the newly-opened bot.  Now any voting player can
submit proposals, but only Senators, the President, and the Speaker are
able to cast votes.  Currently there are Impeachment Papers against all
those officers, so they only hold the offices in an acting capacity, which
R401.1 says means they aren't considered to hold them at all for the
purposes of rules like the Government rules.  So nobody can vote, for now.
By the end of the voting period, who knows which players will be able to
vote.

The bot will reject votes from ineligible players, and I will be doing my
best to keep the player states (including a special player state for
players eligible to vote now) updated; JT, as the Registrar and thus in
charge of tracking player states, also his privileges in my bot to change
player states.  If you send in votes some time you are eligible to vote,
but the bot rejects them, let me know so I can correct the situation.

Fishing Tricks
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by /dev/joe

Almost immediately after proposal 3720 was sent out, a Go Fish card was
played on it, in an attempt to cause its voting period to end early.
Rule 1240.2 says:

   When a Go Fish Card has been used on a proposal, the date of the end of
   the Voting on that Proposal is considered to the date it has been used.

However, Rule 106 says:

   The prescribed voting period on a proposal is seven days, starting
   from the moment that the proposal is publicly distributed as specified
   by the rules.

And Rule 104 says:

   As soon as possible after a proposal's prescribed voting period ends,
   the votes on that proposal shall be posted publicly. The proposal is
   then accepted if a quorum has been achieved and the required number of
   YES votes were cast on the proposal.

Rule 1240.2 does not claim precedence over Rule 106, so it seems that this
effect of Go Fish cards fails to operate as intended.  Since it has never
been tested before today, it comes as no surprise that nobody noticed.

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 02:29:19 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bryan Federico" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: SBoC

I read the next page of my SBoC
I disapears into a Scarlet word ASS, with a small burst of light it 
disappears and a laugh can be heard.

R-Attila The Farce
(:|Worker|General Contractor|Daring Adventurer|:)

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 02:37:17 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: SBoC Random Otzma Card determination

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# A value of - means that card cannot be selected for some reason.
#  -    Go Fish                 (at max instance)
#  1    Map Shard
#  -    Summon Tornado          (at max instance)
#  2    Share My Expenses
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#  7    Skeleton Key
#  8    Artic Explorer
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# 10    Roulette Wheel
# 11    Training Regime
# 13    Shield          
#  -    ACME InstaGadget        (at max instance)
# 13    Felicitous Populi
# 14   Enslavement

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> #C  3 Swinging Sale
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> #C  4 Paratroop
> #C  - Foul Fowl               (at max instance)
> #C  5 Truthseeker
> #C  - Fix My Gadget           (at max instance)
> #C  6 Art Thief
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> #C 10 Roulette Wheel
> #C 11 Training Regime
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 02:46:47 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bryan Federico" <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka:OC

I use my Otzma Card type Training Regime and name choice 1 and the 
statistic Charisma

R-Attila The Farce
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 03:00:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: SBoC

I go to the vault of the book, where I read dark prophecies of a time to
come, a time when the face of Ackanomic will be covered in shadow, when
banna will wilt and harf will fail before the coming of the darkness, where
all that acka knows and loves will be sucked into the maelstrom, when once
again superhuman senators will race through the streets, laughing cruel,
inhuman laughs, and flashing fire from cruel aryan eyes.  I see the dreams
of dying acka, and i hear the cries of the people.  Free Us, Free Us, they
silently intone.  But all around, the cries of the sickening and dying, and
the mocking laughter of the apathetic overlords resounds, and then, all is
silence. 

I go home.
- --A Mean Hat.

Crazy French Scotsman -- Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master  --  Really
Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Warrior Caste

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 03:01:29 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ice Digging

I play my Otzma Card Artic Explorer and name Balsamic Dragon.
I have an Ice Pick.

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 03:06:49 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: acka: Altra's regime roll 

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 03:10:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Preserving justice

I give 1 OC instagadget to JT.

Studge

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 03:11:54 -0500 (EST)
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> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:11:51 -0800 (PST)
> From: JT <[email-masked]>
> Reply-To: JT <[email-masked]>
> To: Dice Server <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka: Ice Digging
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> #P [email-masked]
> #S 4
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> #T Acka: Ice Digging
> 
> #C Player: JT
> #C JT played an arctic explorer against Balsamic Dragon
> #C This is what he got
> #C (the rock to wind a string around and the magic radish are no longer
> #C tradeable entities according to the rules)
> #C  1 - 2   A Bonus Vote
> #C  3 - 3   A Whamiol
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 03:12:49 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Ackanomicon Determination

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# Player: A Mean Hat.
# Ackanomicon Determination
# based on the following (using a 49 sided die)
#  1 - 15 Arcane Trivia
# 16 - 20 Vile Prophecies
# 21 - 25 Inner Workings
# 26 - 30 Arcane Lore
# 31 - 33 Terrorizing Pages
# 34 - 34 Ancient Artifact
# 35 - 36 Mutation
# 37 - 38 Dark Domain
# 39 - 40 Long Lost Treasure
# 41 - 41 Forbidden Fruit
# 42 - 42 Catastrophe
# 43 - 46 Not so Forbidden Fruit
# 47 - 47 Ancient One
# 48 - 49 Judgement Day

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No. of dice for every roll:     1
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> #P [email-masked]
> #S 49
> #D 1
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> #T Acka: Ackanomicon Determination
> 
> #C Player: A Mean Hat.
> #C Ackanomicon Determination
> #C based on the following (using a 49 sided die)
> #C
> #C  1 - 15 Arcane Trivia
> #C 16 - 20 Vile Prophecies
> #C 21 - 25 Inner Workings
> #C 26 - 30 Arcane Lore
> #C 31 - 33 Terrorizing Pages
> #C 34 - 34 Ancient Artifact
> #C 35 - 36 Mutation
> #C 37 - 38 Dark Domain
> #C 39 - 40 Long Lost Treasure
> #C 41 - 41 Forbidden Fruit
> #C 42 - 42 Catastrophe
> #C 43 - 46 Not so Forbidden Fruit
> #C 47 - 47 Ancient One
> #C 48 - 49 Judgement Day
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 03:14:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bryan Federico" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Transfer

I give Studge an OC art thief.

R-Attila The Farce
(:|Worker|General Contractor|Daring Adventurer|:)

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 03:36:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Preserving justice (cont...)

I use my OC art thief by naming the guardian angel in the JT wing donated
by saaremaa.  I think that's specific enough...

Studge

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 03:50:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: I return

I return from Vacation. 
I am changing my player status to Active.
I am back.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 03:55:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ice Digging

On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Dice server wrote:

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> # Player: JT
> # JT played an arctic explorer against Balsamic Dragon
> # This is what he got
> # (the rock to wind a string around and the magic radish are no longer
> # tradeable entities according to the rules)

False - the repeal of the rules cannot make things un-entity, as to
un-entity an entity is to manipulate an entity, which only occurs as
specified by the rules, as according to Rule 500.  So the RTWASA and MR
are still entities.
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http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 03:57:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Peachy.

On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

> > IB
> > I vote YES on the IP against Studge.
> > I haven't read the IP against /dev/joe.
> 
> I vote YES on both.

I vote YES on both.
Impeach the Senators, then abolish the Senate!!!!!
> 
> - -- 
> Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
> http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
> Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
> Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 04:00:25 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Art Thief Determination

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# Player: Studge
# A Mean Hat attempted to steal Saaremaa's Guardian Angel
# The Angel has a value of 50 A$, and thus an 5% chance of failure
# Please note that the angel has never been auctioned and therefore
# it's BV is A$50 regardless of what the P/E pages say.
#  1 -   5  The theft failed
#  6 - 100  The theft worked

No. of sides on every die:    100
No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:    1
No. of rolls per line:          1

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> 
> #C Player: Studge
> #C A Mean Hat attempted to steal Saaremaa's Guardian Angel
> #C The Angel has a value of 50 A$, and thus an 5% chance of failure
> #C Please note that the angel has never been auctioned and therefore
> #C it's BV is A$50 regardless of what the P/E pages say.
> #C 
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 04:00:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: I return

On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Uri Bruck wrote:

> 
> I return from Vacation. 
> I am changing my player status to Active.
> I am back.

Save us, Niccolo!  You're our only hope!

Yours,
Slakko
emphatically not the voice of reason right now.
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 04:00:40 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: I return

On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Uri Bruck wrote:
>I return from Vacation. 
>I am changing my player status to Active.
>I am back.

Welcome back Niccolo.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 04:01:28 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: I return

On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Uri Bruck wrote:
>I return from Vacation. 
>I am changing my player status to Active.

Active is not a state, so by default you return in the state you left
which is Non-Voting.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 04:18:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka More justice

I use my newly aquired Guardian Angel to make all props Guarded.

Studge

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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 04:19:22 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3720 scammed

>A Go Fish card was played on Proposal 3720.  Whether or not this succeeds
>is making the voting period end or not is unclear; the rule doesn't seem
>to take precedence over R106, so I am harfing it as not until I see a
>good argument otherwise.

I am filing the following CFJ as delimited by SCAM_OR_NO_SCAM.  Headers
are included for convenience.
SCAM_OR_NO_SCAM
Statement:
The play of a Go Fish Otzma Card on Proposal 3720 did not cause the
proposal's voting period to end. 

Reasoning:
Rule 1240.2 does not have precedence over either rule 106 or rule 320.5. 

While I realize this is probably a trivial CFJ, I want it entered into
explicit game custom. 

Rule 106 says:
>Players eligible to vote on proposals may change their vote up until the
>end of the prescribed voting period, but in any case are limited to one
>vote per proposal.

and

>The prescribed voting period on a proposal is seven days, starting from
>the moment that the proposal is publicly distributed as >specified by the
>rules. 

Rule 320.5 says:
>When The Current Government of Ackanomia is Elected Assembly only the
>Senators, Speaker and President are eligible to vote on proposals. In
>addition a proposal will passif it meets quorum and receives a simple
>majority of votes. 

Rule 1240.2 says:
>When a Go Fish Card has been used on a proposal, the date of the end of
>the Voting on that Proposal is considered to the date it has been used.

Since rule 1240.2 does not claim precedence over rule 106, then it cannot
be modifying the prescribed voting period of the proposal, therefore the
only interpretation of rule 1240.2 is that it makes entities ineligble to
vote on the proposal after the card has been played and before the end of
voting period.

Even if this was the intent (not a particularly useful concept in
Ackanomic), it still fails, since rule 106 explicitly grants eligible
players the ability to change their votes until the end of the prescribed
voting period of 7 days and rule 320.5 grants the status of eligible
players to a specific group.

Without taking precedence over either of those rules, the OC Go Fish
cannot have the effect described in it's rule text, therefore this CFJ
should be judged TRUE.
SCAM_OR_NO_SCAM

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