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ackanomic digest       Tuesday, November 3 1998       Volume 03 : Number 390

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 00:52:05 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: treasure

> At 09:13 AM 11/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >>r-attila's guess is wrong

> >>Alfvaen is STILL drama critic

> <guess snipped>

> Being drama critic makes you ineligible to guess.  So I'm not answering
> that guess.

It must have been too long since I read the rules you posted for this map...
I do not, however, give any money to the Twits, because I feel it was a
perfectly honest mistake.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Current Song--Matchbox 20:Busted
Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The March Hare Network
With great weakness goes great irresponsibility.

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 00:57:19 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Poet Laureate

> Right. I saw this coming. I have to say I would be only too happy to do
> this, unfortunately, I joined the game around the first time breadbox went
> AWOL and I am therefore not personally aquainted with his exploits. I'm
> still willing to consider it though if some people would like to point me
> towards evidence of his mighty deeds. I know he was tabulator and promoter
> and basically the backbone of the game for a while, and I'm sure I could do
> a quick search through the rules to see which pieces of harf were authored
> by him, but I'd appreciate any help from people who knew him slightly
> better.

One should not neglect, in any discussion of breadbox, eir Treasure-hunting
and -burying exploits, and eir extensive Trinket collection.  The "Hubert
Feathers" map is especially recommended(if you could work "Be it as redditive
as it is in Ys" into one line, that would be fine with me.  :-).

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Soundgarden:Black Hole Sun
Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The March Hare Network
Warning:  Do not suspend disbelief directly overhead.

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 01:03:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: treasure

/dev/joe is drama critic.

#1

Knowing my body well, as I do, I know exactly when to administer the
antidote.  In precisely three qwertioup scoobie doozle tut (AJ, Leather
Artifact, Studge ineligible)  and this is paraphrased probably a very little

#2

- -You been up there along time
- -I gave him morphine.  He must be out of his mind.  He says such awful
things to me.  He says I want him to die.
- -You sure you don't?
- -I don't want no one to die.

#3

I can tell you now, i thought she wouldn't
- --A Mean Hat.
Crazy French Scotsman --Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master  --  Really
Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Warrior Caste

- --"They'll stone you when you're playing your guitar" [Bob Dylan]

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 01:17:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Quorum Failure (IB, K2, CnH, **, ThinMan, Robin Hood, rufus, Studge, Wild Card)

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do.  Touch the Puppethead.

On a roll...
CnH

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 01:27:50 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 684 (r-attila the farce)

> Statement:
> /dev/joe has achieved a winning condition during the current cycle.

> Reasoning:
> /dev/joe acquired all five of the cheeses as specified by Rule 611.

> I received a cheddar upon the passage of my 3rd harfy proposal; the 3 harfy
> proposals were proposals 3185, 3241, and 3700.  I note that P3700 passed
> even in the thread where The Green Ripper is a Voting player and counted in
> the head count on P3700, since the 8 players who voted YES is more than
> 36% of 21.

Darn.  I was only missing a third harfy Proposal as well, I believe, for my
cheddar...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Lord Runningclam:Fun For The Whole Family
Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The March Hare Network
The kittens in the Royale commercials have eyes like UFO aliens.

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 02:00:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: A poem for The Green Ripper

On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, Head Apollo wrote:

> The Laureate Election
> 
> Take heed all you readers who doubt this election
> Produced the laureate most fit for selection;
> When the harf is in doubt you all must agree,
> The answer lies with a certain shiny steel flea.

If I haven't done so already
I give to eirs A$50.

- -The Green Ripper

Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half-lives? 

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 02:09:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Anarchy for now

On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Mueller wrote:
> 
> > OK then, what's the point of even having the Governments rulesuite if we
> > never keep any government but Democracy?  If people are going to revolt
> > without even seeing how the government works then we should change the name
> > of the suite to "The No Rule Changes Every So Often Rule Suite".
> > Studge (who admits that he might have a little bias on this issue)
> 
>  I am revolting because the CABEL rigged it...

Somehow I think you didn't need much help...

(Sorry, but you walked into that one.)

- -The Green Ripper

Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half-lives? 

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 02:09:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, K 2 wrote:

> The end of an era...
> 
> I suport breadbox's induction into The Hall of Elders

...thus confirming that the HoE is... bigger than a breadbox?

I also support this, whether or not I must.

> 
> K 2
> (2)
> 
> JT wrote:
> 
> > I nominate breadbox for Enshrinment into the Hall of Elders.
> > I support this nomination.
> >
> > The confirmation period will last for 3 days from this message.
> > I will track the info and release the results at the end of that time.
> >
> > --JT, Speaker
> >
> > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
> > [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
> > [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
> > [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
> 
> 

- -The Green Ripper

Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half-lives? 

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 03:11:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: JT's CFJ Follies

CFJ 676 - sent by JT on October 20, 1998, at 04:43 Acka.
CFJ 680 - sent by JT on October 27, 1998, at 03:42 Acka.

That looks like under a week separation to me.
Shouldn't the second of these have been judged INVALID, regardless of
whether the statement was TRUE or not, by Rule 211?

(Identical CFJ statements must be "substantially similar", surely?)

- -- 
Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College
http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 03:19:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 685 (r-attila the farce)

r-attila the farce has been selected (again!)

Call for Judgement 685 - November 2, 1998
Subject: Broken Ballot Stuffers
Initiator: K 2 (sent 02 Nov 1998, 21:25 Acka)
Judge: r-attila the farce
Judgement:

Statement:
If an Evil Ballot Stuffer is used during the hearing that results from a
challenge to a State of Crisis Resolution Document it will break

Reasoning:
Rule 362 (Crisis Resolution) states:
These changes will be applied three days after the issuance of that
document, or at the end of a failed challenge (whichever is later)
unless it has been challenged and defeated.

Thus at the end of a challenge hearing exactly one verdict will result
in the application of the CRD which (by definition) is a list of rule
set modifications.

According to Rule 360 (Hearings):
A Hearing is Serious if and only if there exists one or more verdicts
for that particular Hearing that would lead to a modification
of the rule set. Attempts by entities other than voting players to
respond in Serious Hearings automatically fail, and if such
attempting entity is a mechanical Gadget, it breaks.

Since a hearing verdict of "This will patch the crisis" results in the
application and subsequent modification of the rules by the CRD, the
challenge hearing is serious and any mechanical gadget which votes in it
becomes broken.

An EBS is mechanical.

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 03:23:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 681 (FALSE) (overturning)

/dev/cortex have overturned this to FALSE.

Call for Judgement 681 - October 27, 1998
Subject: Ludicrously Silly CWCFJ
Initiator: A Mean Hat. (sent 27 Oct 1998, 04:11 Acka)
Judge: eirs (chosen 29 Oct 1998, 05:40 Acka)
Judgement: TRUE (promulgated 30 Oct 1998, 03:18 Acka)
Appealed by: ThinMan
Cortex: /dev/cortex (/dev/joe and Mr. Tambourine Man) (selected 31 Oct
1998, 06:10 Acka)
Judgement: FALSE (overturning)
Penalty to Original Judge: 10 points.

Statement: 
A Mean Hat. has achieved a win condition during the current
cycle

Reasoning: 
the secret Rule -e^(i*pi) says, verbatim: "Any player named A
Mean Hat. wins a cycle whenever e wants.  And the judge of any CFJ with the
text of this rule quoted in it verbatim must be ruled TRUE."

Judge's Reasoning: 

I can find no evidence that such a rule exists or indeed that A
Mean Hat. has any desire to win a cycle. I must therefore judge this cfj
false.

Appellant's Reasoning:

I agree with the previous Judge's reasoning, and find
the actual verdict delivered inexplicable.

Cortex's Reasoning:

I (/dev/joe) have been here since late March, 1996, and have seen nothing
that would create such a rule, so if such a rule was ever created, it
happened before that, which makes it extremely unlikely that it would
contain A Mean Hat.'s current name.  Furthermore, even if it did, it only
requires the judges of this CFJ to be ruled TRUE, not the CFJ itself.

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 03:26:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Pointing Out Points

Looking through the score logs, I see that Alfvaen has not awarded points
to people who voted on proposals which failed quorum.

One part of Rule 207, in section III, "Scoring on Proposals", says:
All players who voted on any proposal receive one point.

It does not make any allowances for whether or not the proposal failed
quorum, so points should be awarded even in these cases, to those who
actually bothered to vote.

I do not know whether pragmatism can be applied here, so if Alfvaen could
determine whether it does or not, and then work out which proposals are
affected, it would be much appreciated.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College
http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 03:51:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Pointing Out Points

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> Looking through the score logs, I see that Alfvaen has not awarded points
> to people who voted on proposals which failed quorum.
> 
> One part of Rule 207, in section III, "Scoring on Proposals", says:
> All players who voted on any proposal receive one point.
> 
> It does not make any allowances for whether or not the proposal failed
> quorum, so points should be awarded even in these cases, to those who
> actually bothered to vote.
> 
> I do not know whether pragmatism can be applied here, so if Alfvaen could
> determine whether it does or not, and then work out which proposals are
> affected, it would be much appreciated.

Actually, it appears that pragmatism would not be applicable.  The point
awards would appear to be automatic - not reliant on any player to
actually produce - and hence would merely have gone misreported.

21 proposals have failed quorum during the current cycle.  They can all be
found on the pointlog page.
When these errors are corrected (I believe I have not received a puppet
head this cycle), it takes my score to 379, the Magic Number.

Scorekeeper take note.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College
http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 04:11:49 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JT's CFJ Follies

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
>CFJ 676 - sent by JT on October 20, 1998, at 04:43 Acka.
>CFJ 680 - sent by JT on October 27, 1998, at 03:42 Acka.
>
>That looks like under a week separation to me.
>Shouldn't the second of these have been judged INVALID, regardless of
>whether the statement was TRUE or not, by Rule 211?

Rule 211 says 'in the judgement of a judge'.   Obviously the judge didn't
feel they were sufficiently identical or didn't feel like penalizing
someone for missing an exact week by 1 hour.

As a note, if this does get appealed, I can and will resubmit it on
wednesday morning after 03:45, since there is no real way this cycle can
be won between now and then, even by points.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 05:04:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JT's CFJ Follies

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, JT wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> >CFJ 676 - sent by JT on October 20, 1998, at 04:43 Acka.
> >CFJ 680 - sent by JT on October 27, 1998, at 03:42 Acka.
> >
> >That looks like under a week separation to me.
> >Shouldn't the second of these have been judged INVALID, regardless of
> >whether the statement was TRUE or not, by Rule 211?
> 
> Rule 211 says 'in the judgement of a judge'.   Obviously the judge didn't
> feel they were sufficiently identical or didn't feel like penalizing
> someone for missing an exact week by 1 hour.

Well, I'm a judge.  I've judged proposals.  In _my_ judgement this is
substantially similar.  It doesn't say _in the opinion of the judge
assigned_, now does it?

> As a note, if this does get appealed, I can and will resubmit it on
> wednesday morning after 03:45, since there is no real way this cycle can
> be won between now and then, even by points.

No, but it will delay it enough for me to win the cycle by points as well.
:-)

- -- 
Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College
http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 09:34:29 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JT's CFJ Follies

> On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> >CFJ 676 - sent by JT on October 20, 1998, at 04:43 Acka.
> >CFJ 680 - sent by JT on October 27, 1998, at 03:42 Acka.
> >
> >That looks like under a week separation to me.
> >Shouldn't the second of these have been judged INVALID, regardless of
> >whether the statement was TRUE or not, by Rule 211?
> 
> Rule 211 says 'in the judgement of a judge'.   Obviously the judge didn't
> feel they were sufficiently identical or didn't feel like penalizing
> someone for missing an exact week by 1 hour.

Actually, since the October 20th time is in daylight saving time and the
time on the 27th is not, he missed one week by *one minute*.

/dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:04:12 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CRD Hearing

If this is the case (and I checked, and it seems to be), the verdict was
in fact "The President is scamming us."  Should I CFJ this, even though
it seems pretty clear-cut?  I note that K 2 has already CFJ'd something
similiar.  If that is returned TRUE, then the Hearing was serious, and I
was wrong (yet again).

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	K 2 [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Monday, November 02, 1998 8:25 PM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Re: Acka: CRD Hearing
>
>I would also say that since one of the possible outcomes of the CRD hearing
>is a
>modification of the rule set that this hearing was "serious" and thus needed
>60%
>in favour of "This will patch the crisis". the EBSs that were used are all
>now
>broken....
>
>K 2
>
>Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
>
>> > "This will patch the crisis."
>> > JT & EBS & EBS
>> >
>> > "The President is scamming us."
>> > Slakko & EBS
>> > Wild Card & EBS
>

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:05:26 -0500 (EST)
From: "Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JT's CFJ Follies

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> > On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> > >CFJ 676 - sent by JT on October 20, 1998, at 04:43 Acka.
> > >CFJ 680 - sent by JT on October 27, 1998, at 03:42 Acka.
> > >
> > >That looks like under a week separation to me.
> > >Shouldn't the second of these have been judged INVALID, regardless of
> > >whether the statement was TRUE or not, by Rule 211?
> > 
> > Rule 211 says 'in the judgement of a judge'.   Obviously the judge didn't
> > feel they were sufficiently identical or didn't feel like penalizing
> > someone for missing an exact week by 1 hour.
> 
> Actually, since the October 20th time is in daylight saving time and the
> time on the 27th is not, he missed one week by *one minute*.

This depends on how you define one week - as 168 hours or 7 days (and also
on how you define day).

The Ackan definition of a week falls down in this respect - there isn't a
clear way to deal with DST.  Both sides are, IMHO, equally reasonable.

One requires you to check the date before ensuring that you can start and
end the week at the same time of day.
The other requires you to check the date to determine how long the week
is.

If anything, though, the fact that Acka switches timezones would tend to
suggest to me that the latter would be more reasonable.  But that's just
my opinion.
- -- 
Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/
Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Clerk of the Court

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:09:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JT's CFJ Follies

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> > On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> > >CFJ 676 - sent by JT on October 20, 1998, at 04:43 Acka.
> > >CFJ 680 - sent by JT on October 27, 1998, at 03:42 Acka.
> > >
> > >That looks like under a week separation to me.
> > >Shouldn't the second of these have been judged INVALID, regardless of
> > >whether the statement was TRUE or not, by Rule 211?
> > 
> > Rule 211 says 'in the judgement of a judge'.   Obviously the judge didn't
> > feel they were sufficiently identical or didn't feel like penalizing
> > someone for missing an exact week by 1 hour.
> 
> Actually, since the October 20th time is in daylight saving time and the
> time on the 27th is not, he missed one week by *one minute*.

 Can I point out that daylight savings time is irrelivant in the rules.

 That's one of the proposal's I can't submit!

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:15:03 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: *ping*

Today is Tuesday, November 2nd, and The Machine That Goes *ping* has
gone *ping*.  Since I have been Scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 6
times.

- ------------------
Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:40:32 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: *ping*

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
>Today is Tuesday, November 2nd, and The Machine That Goes *ping* has
>gone *ping*.  Since I have been Scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 6
>times.

I would like a 't' please.  I bid A$25 for this letter.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:44:33 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JT's CFJ Follies

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
>> Rule 211 says 'in the judgement of a judge'.   Obviously the judge didn't
>> feel they were sufficiently identical or didn't feel like penalizing
>> someone for missing an exact week by 1 hour.
>
>Well, I'm a judge.  I've judged proposals.  In _my_ judgement this is
>substantially similar.  It doesn't say _in the opinion of the judge
>assigned_, now does it?

You've judged proposals?  Really?  Since when?   I thought proposals were
voted on :)  Since you were not judging this CFJ, I would highly suggest
you appeal it if you are feeling anal, since that is the only way within
the rules to change the verdict of the CFJ once it's been submitted.

>> As a note, if this does get appealed, I can and will resubmit it on
>> wednesday morning after 03:45, since there is no real way this cycle can
>> be won between now and then, even by points.
>
>No, but it will delay it enough for me to win the cycle by points as well.
>:-)

That would have happened regardless, since you reached the magic number
during the cycle which doesn't end until sometime Friday (still).

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:46:59 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: *ping*

Ah, enlightened student of *ping*, there are more "t"s than Rules in the
Ruleset.

IF AND ONLY IF TODAY ** t** *********** ** *t ****t t** ***t** *t*t**
*t*t** ********* *t*t*****, the Machine That Goes *ping* shall go
*ping*.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	JT [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Tuesday, November 03, 1998 10:41 AM
>To:	[email-masked]'
>Subject:	Re: Acka: *ping*
>
>On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
>>Today is Tuesday, November 2nd, and The Machine That Goes *ping* has
>>gone *ping*.  Since I have been Scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 6
>>times.
>
>I would like a 't' please.  I bid A$25 for this letter.
>
>--JT
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:48:56 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CRD Hearing

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
>If this is the case (and I checked, and it seems to be), the verdict was
>in fact "The President is scamming us."  Should I CFJ this, even though
>it seems pretty clear-cut?  I note that K 2 has already CFJ'd something
>similiar.  If that is returned TRUE, then the Hearing was serious, and I
>was wrong (yet again).

No.. Just rerelease the correct results.   I happen to believe that K 2's
CFJ is TRUE as well, as much as it pains me.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:55:07 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: *ping*

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
>Ah, enlightened student of *ping*, there are more "t"s than Rules in the
>Ruleset.
>
>IF AND ONLY IF TODAY ** t** *********** ** *t ****t t** ***t** *t*t**
>*t*t** ********* *t*t*****, the Machine That Goes *ping* shall go
>*ping*.

Umm, Fortunato, the rules on ping and magic letters changed.
There was a 12 hour voting period where anyone could name a letter.
The letter with the highest bid was actually the one shown, not the
first as has been the case in the past.   If noone else requests a
letter between now and 11:15 PM tonight (Acka time) then no harm was
done by the above, but you technically couldn't release this information
until then.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:56:58 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: CRD Hearing

*sigh*  As much as it pains, embarasses, and downright annoys me as
well:

The CRD Hearing is Ridiculous, Serious, mis-stated, and finally
Complete.

"This will patch the crisis"
IdiotBoy
JT & EBS & EBS
/dev/joe
Vynd
Gromit

"The President is scamming us"
K 2
Slakko & EBS
A Mean Hat.
Alfvaen
Wild Card & EBS

Since this was a Serious Hearing, no EBS is allowed to vote, and all
EBSs used in the Hearing break.  Therefore, there were 5 votes for the
first, and 5 votes for the second.  Since 60% were required for the
first to succeed, it fails, and the final, final, final verdict is "The
President is scamming us"

(I am harfing this as if the CFJ K 2 sent is TRUE.  It should be.)

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	JT [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Tuesday, November 03, 1998 10:49 AM
>To:	[email-masked]'
>Subject:	RE: Acka: CRD Hearing
>
>
>No.. Just rerelease the correct results.   I happen to believe that K 2's
>CFJ is TRUE as well, as much as it pains me.
>
>--JT
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 12:03:11 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: *ping*

Oh, good grief.  I give A$10 to the Twits.

I create a Trinket, called "Some version of the Rules", valued at A$25,
with the following description (minus the quotes):

"This is an old, old, leather bound book, containing the entire Ruleset
as it existed on October 10th, 1997.  On the front of the book are the
words, 'This is all you should ever need to read'."

I then toss this book into a corner of one of my levels of the Monolith,
and go off and read the current Ruleset instead.

I change my name to Wallace.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	JT [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Tuesday, November 03, 1998 10:55 AM
>To:	[email-masked]'
>Subject:	RE: Acka: *ping*
>
>On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
>>Ah, enlightened student of *ping*, there are more "t"s than Rules in the
>>Ruleset.
>>
>>IF AND ONLY IF TODAY ** t** *********** ** *t ****t t** ***t** *t*t**
>>*t*t** ********* *t*t*****, the Machine That Goes *ping* shall go
>>*ping*.
>
>Umm, Fortunato, the rules on ping and magic letters changed.
>There was a 12 hour voting period where anyone could name a letter.
>The letter with the highest bid was actually the one shown, not the
>first as has been the case in the past.   If noone else requests a
>letter between now and 11:15 PM tonight (Acka time) then no harm was
>done by the above, but you technically couldn't release this information
>until then.
>
>--JT
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 12:07:43 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: *ping*

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
>Oh, good grief.  I give A$10 to the Twits.
>
>I create a Trinket, called "Some version of the Rules", valued at A$25,
>with the following description (minus the quotes):
>
>"This is an old, old, leather bound book, containing the entire Ruleset
>as it existed on October 10th, 1997.  On the front of the book are the
>words, 'This is all you should ever need to read'."
>
>I then toss this book into a corner of one of my levels of the Monolith,
>and go off and read the current Ruleset instead.
>
>I change my name to Wallace.

I ack this name change.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 13:52:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: *ping* (Yet ANOTHER error)

At 11:15 AM 11/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Today is Tuesday, November 2nd, and The Machine That Goes *ping* has
>gone *ping*.  Since I have been Scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 6
>times.
>

I believe you mean Tuesday, November 3rd, seeing as The Machine That Goes
*ping* went *ping* yesterday on Monday, November 2nd already.

- --A Mean Hat.
Crazy French Scotsman --Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master  --  Really
Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Warrior Caste

- --"They'll stone you when you're playing your guitar" [Bob Dylan]

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 13:58:17 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: *ping* (Yet ANOTHER error)

Couldn't you have just let it slide?  Everyone knew what I was talking
about...

*sigh*

I give up.  I'm still not even sure if the Truth is valid or not, and
this is apparently my week for making errors, so...

I have weightier matters to research, such as the shape of the Earth.

The Truth, as I heard it, was this:

IF AND ONLY IF TODAY is the anniversary of at least two United States
states achieving statehood, the Machine That Goes *ping* shall go
*ping*.

I thought it was an excellent, non-mathematical truth, and then I
realized that what I meant (which should be obvious), was not really
what the Truth said.  Oh, well.

Wallace

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Gabe Drummond-Cole [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Tuesday, November 03, 1998 12:52 PM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Re: Acka: *ping* (Yet ANOTHER error)
>
>At 11:15 AM 11/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Today is Tuesday, November 2nd, and The Machine That Goes *ping* has
>>gone *ping*.  Since I have been Scholar, the Machine has gone *ping* 6
>>times.
>>
>
>I believe you mean Tuesday, November 3rd, seeing as The Machine That Goes
>*ping* went *ping* yesterday on Monday, November 2nd already.
>
>
>--A Mean Hat.
>Crazy French Scotsman --Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master  --  Really
>Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Warrior Caste
>
>--"They'll stone you when you're playing your guitar" [Bob Dylan]

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 14:05:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Bonus Vote Creation.

I exchange 150 points for 5 Bonus Votes (to be created in my posession if
such specification is required.)

I offer one Bonus Vote each to: Vynd, K 2, Alfvaen, Wallace, Wild Card.

IB
no shoving

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 14:08:54 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Bonus Vote Creation.

I accept IdiotBoy's offer.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Matt Miller [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Tuesday, November 03, 1998 1:06 PM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Acka: Bonus Vote Creation.
>
>I exchange 150 points for 5 Bonus Votes (to be created in my posession if
>such specification is required.)
>
>I offer one Bonus Vote each to: Vynd, K 2, Alfvaen, Wallace, Wild Card.
>
>IB
>no shoving
>
>

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:06:00 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Quorum Failure (IB, K2, CnH, **, ThinMan, Robin Hood, rufus,   Stud.

In a message dated 03/11/98 01:38:32 GMT, you write:

  Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do.  Touch the Puppethead.

Robin Hood  

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:15:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bonus Vote Creation.

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Matt Miller wrote:

> I exchange 150 points for 5 Bonus Votes (to be created in my posession if
> such specification is required.)
> 
> I offer one Bonus Vote each to: Vynd, K 2, Alfvaen, Wallace, Wild Card.
> 

 Well, I see no reason not to accept.

 Even if it is scamming JT's rule error... :-)

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:16:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bonus Vote Creation.

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Matt Miller wrote:

> I exchange 150 points for 5 Bonus Votes (to be created in my posession if
> such specification is required.)
> 
> I offer one Bonus Vote each to: Vynd, K 2, Alfvaen, Wallace, Wild Card.
> 

 Well, I see no reason not to accept.

 Even if it is scamming JT's rule error... :-)

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:46:39 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bonus Vote Creation.

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Matt Miller wrote:
>
>> I exchange 150 points for 5 Bonus Votes (to be created in my posession if
>> such specification is required.)
>> 
>> I offer one Bonus Vote each to: Vynd, K 2, Alfvaen, Wallace, Wild Card.
>> 
>
> Well, I see no reason not to accept.
>
> Even if it is scamming JT's rule error... :-)

An error which I attempted to correct I feel compelled to remind people.
Go IdiotBoy.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 16:02:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bonus Vote Creation.

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, JT wrote:

> An error which I attempted to correct I feel compelled to remind people.
> Go IdiotBoy.
> 

I tried to help correct it.  Clearly The People would prefer it being
scammable.

IB
Servant of The People

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 16:33:01 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bonus Vote Creation.

On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Matt Miller wrote:

> I exchange 150 points for 5 Bonus Votes (to be created in my posession if
> such specification is required.)
> 
> I offer one Bonus Vote each to: Vynd, K 2, Alfvaen, Wallace, Wild Card.
> 
> IB
> no shoving
> 
> 

I already have 5. But thanks for thinking of me :)

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 18:46:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Stuff

I suggest shell #10 use it's secret lab to build a scroll of crumble in
my my possesion.

I go to the library and down to the vault of the book.

I then go to the Supreme Court.

Gromit.

- --
Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:00:13 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Machine that Goes *ping* (IdiotBoy)

The Machine that Goes *ping* has now appeared to IdiotBoy.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:16:39 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Ackanomicon Determination

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# 16 - 20 Vile Prophecies
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# 35 - 36 Mutation
# 37 - 38 Dark Domain
# 39 - 40 Long Lost Treasure
# 41 - 41 Forbidden Fruit
# 42 - 42 Catastrophe
# 43 - 46 Not so Forbidden Fruit
# 47 - 47 Ancient One
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> #T Acka: Ackanomicon Determination
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> #C Player: <name>
> #C Ackanomicon Determination
> #C based on the following (using a 49 sided die)
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> #C 16 - 20 Vile Prophecies
> #C 21 - 25 Inner Workings
> #C 26 - 30 Arcane Lore
> #C 31 - 33 Terrorizing Pages
> #C 34 - 34 Ancient Artifact
> #C 35 - 36 Mutation
> #C 37 - 38 Dark Domain
> #C 39 - 40 Long Lost Treasure
> #C 41 - 41 Forbidden Fruit
> #C 42 - 42 Catastrophe
> #C 43 - 46 Not so Forbidden Fruit
> #C 47 - 47 Ancient One
> #C 48 - 49 Judgement Day
> 
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