Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #387
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ackanomic digest       Sunday, November 1 1998       Volume 03 : Number 387

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 01:37:49 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

> As a priest of JAM, I suggest and approve that JAM do the following:
> 
> transfer an otzma card shield and an otzma card fix my gadget to /dev/joe
> transfer 5 otzma card lay off to IdiotBoy
> transfer 1 otzma card lay off and 2 skeleton keys to Gromit
> transfer an otzma card paratroop and an otzma card art thief to r-attila
> the farce
> 
> Because of JAM Church Policy, this happens w/o approval of any other JAM
> members

Uh, I accept these otzma cards, though it looks like K2 has already harfed
the transfer as occurring.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 02:23:35 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Because I can

On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, JT wrote:
>> >I convert 11 points into a chess piece of type Guard. 11*5/7 is sufficient
>> >to purchase this piece and my piece total is now at 15.
>
>> Erk.. Actually this failed since I failed to specify that it was created
>> in my possession.
>> I convert 11 points into a chess piece of type Guard in my possession.
>
>> Happy. Happy. Happy.
>
>> According to the points page, I have 258 points.   With the passage of
>> 3695, I gained 12 points (10 for proposing and 2 for voting (since it was
>> foolish)).  This gave me 270 points.  The above conversions use 41 points
>> putting me at the Happy Number.
>
>This would have worked except for the fact that, as a cursory examination
>of the pointlog would reveal, the points page did not include the points
>awarded by P3686 from swingpoint conversion, which were posted on the main
>list.

Heh.. ooops :)  So it's still 229.. hehehe.

I donate A$1 to the twits.

- --JT

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 02:27:40 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
>> Because of JAM Church Policy, this happens w/o approval of any other JAM
>> members
>
>Uh, I accept these otzma cards, though it looks like K2 has already harfed
>the transfer as occurring.

OC's are giftable, so you didn't have to accept :)

- --JT

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 02:28:35 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Because I can

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, JT wrote:
>>This would have worked except for the fact that, as a cursory examination
>>of the pointlog would reveal, the points page did not include the points
>>awarded by P3686 from swingpoint conversion, which were posted on the main
>>list.
>
>Heh.. ooops :)  So it's still 229.. hehehe.

This should have read that the Happy number is still 229.

- --JT

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 02:37:26 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Truthseeker cards

I found the error, and it was in my records.  There was an invalid
determination where I had thought that IB had gained a truthseeker.
It wasn't validly created though.  I'd forgot to remove it.

There are in fact 8 truthseeker cards and 99 total Otzma Cards.
 
- --JT

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 03:17:49 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Otzma Cards

I stand corrected again.
There are in fact 8 Truthseekers (which I had on my local copy of the
pages).  However, K 2 seems to be missing (or I have miscounted) 1
training regime card.

My page has 1 as existing.  K2 has none as existing.  I would like a copy
of K2's records of Training Regimes so I can see where he thinks one went
or where I think one exists that he doesn't have.

K2?  Thanks.

- --JT

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 04:09:31 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Otzma Cards one final time

I believe that the OC K 2 missed was the second Training Regime created by
R-Attila the farce today.

He burnt a truthseeker (bringing us to nine).  He then created and played
a Training Regime.  He then created another training Regime.

Thus we do in fact (by my count) have 100 Otzma Cards in circulation.

In fact, K2's PE page lists R-Atilla as owning a Training Regime.
The entity log and entity index pages appear to be forshortened (an error
in uploading) so I cannot verify the information there.

- --JT

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 04:53:22 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Iced Breadbox (Fortunato, K 2, JT, Alfvaen, /dev/joe)

Breadbox has gone On-Ice.

Various people are in the subject line because some things in this mail
require their attention.

At the time of breadbox going on Ice, the following steps occured.
a) He was removed from the following offices: Historian, Justice,
   Postmaster, and Spelling Exchequer.
b) 1) E is treated as declining any CFJ's assigned to him. (N/A)
   2) E is removed from all offices Non Voting players cannot hold (N/A)
   3) He is removed from the Mentor Pool. (cue JT)
c) All existing votes on props, elections and hearings are cancelled (N/A)
d) His score is set to 0. (cue Scorekeeper)
e) He is removed from all organizations. (cue K 2)
f) If he never voted, he becomes a non-player (N/A)
g) All of his mimsy entities are transferred to the treasury (cue K 2)

Historian is an optional political office.  I insist that an election for
this office be held (cue Fortunato).

Postmaster is an optional functional office.  I insist that a nomination
for this office be held.  (cue JT).

Spelling Exchequer is an optional political office.  I insist that an
election for this office be held (cue Fortunato).

- --JT, Registar

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 04:54:29 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

I nominate breadbox for Enshrinment into the Hall of Elders.
I support this nomination.

The confirmation period will last for 3 days from this message.
I will track the info and release the results at the end of that time.

- --JT, Speaker

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 04:56:11 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Postmaster Nomination.

I am hereby beginning a Nomination for the post of Postmaster.  Please
reply to me to nominate yourself.

- --JT, President

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 05:07:29 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

The end of an era...

I suport breadbox's induction into The Hall of Elders

K 2
(2)

JT wrote:

> I nominate breadbox for Enshrinment into the Hall of Elders.
> I support this nomination.
>
> The confirmation period will last for 3 days from this message.
> I will track the info and release the results at the end of that time.
>
> --JT, Speaker
>
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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 05:54:37 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Otzma (third and final time)

I finally found (after much hunting and back and forth with K2) the error
in the otzma card discrepancies that we had.

The error was a mis-harf on my part of an OC Roulette Wheel played on
the 21st of October.

R-attilla (at that time Leather Artifact) played a Roulette Wheel and
named his OC Truthseeker.  I removed the Roulette Wheel from the count and
forgot to remove the Truthseeker.

I give A$1 to K 2 (for helping me find it) , and A$1 to the twits (for
being a ninny).

So, who's gonna scarf the free card? (I hope noone, since that scam is
getting old).

- --JT

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 06:11:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma (third and final time)

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, JT wrote:

> I finally found (after much hunting and back and forth with K2) the error
> in the otzma card discrepancies that we had.
> 
> The error was a mis-harf on my part of an OC Roulette Wheel played on
> the 21st of October.
> 
> R-attilla (at that time Leather Artifact) played a Roulette Wheel and
> named his OC Truthseeker.  I removed the Roulette Wheel from the count and
> forgot to remove the Truthseeker.
> 
> I give A$1 to K 2 (for helping me find it) , and A$1 to the twits (for
> being a ninny).
> 
> So, who's gonna scarf the free card? (I hope noone, since that scam is
> getting old).

The card already got scarfed - the probabilistic boon A Mean Hat. got for
being happy was an Otzma Card (just that you didn't determine which one
because you thought the 100 card limit was already reached).

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http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 06:11:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, K 2 wrote:

> The end of an era...
> 
> I suport breadbox's induction into The Hall of Elders

I support breadbox's induction into the Hall of Elders

Making it
JT
K 2
Slakko
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http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 06:13:50 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma (third and final time)

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
>On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, JT wrote:
>
>> I finally found (after much hunting and back and forth with K2) the error
>> in the otzma card discrepancies that we had.
>> 
>> The error was a mis-harf on my part of an OC Roulette Wheel played on
>> the 21st of October.
>> 
>> R-attilla (at that time Leather Artifact) played a Roulette Wheel and
>> named his OC Truthseeker.  I removed the Roulette Wheel from the count and
>> forgot to remove the Truthseeker.
>> 
>> I give A$1 to K 2 (for helping me find it) , and A$1 to the twits (for
>> being a ninny).
>> 
>> So, who's gonna scarf the free card? (I hope noone, since that scam is
>> getting old).
>
>The card already got scarfed - the probabilistic boon A Mean Hat. got for
>being happy was an Otzma Card (just that you didn't determine which one
>because you thought the 100 card limit was already reached).

Yes, but he's going to have to destroy one.   Thanks for reminding me I
needed to harf the OC boon though..

- --JT

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 06:18:13 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Boon of the Ancients, Random Otzma Card determination

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# Player: A Mean Hat.
# He recieved an Otzma Card for a Boon.
# The determination is made according to the following table
# A value of - means that card cannot be selected for some reason.
#  1    Go Fish                 (at max instance)
#  2    Map Shard
#  -    Summon Tornado          (at max instance)
#  3    Share My Expenses
#  4    Share Your Income       (at max instance)
#  -    Swinging Sale           (at max instance)
#  -    Tactical Retreat        (at max instance)
#  5    Paratroop
#  -    Foul Fowl               (at max instance)
#  6    Truthseeker
#  -    Fix My Gadget           (at max instance)
#  7    Art Thief
#  -    Skeleton Key            (at max instance)
#  8    Artic Explorer
#  9    Lay Off!                (at max instance)
# 10    Founder's Boon
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# 12    Training Regime
# 13    Shield                  (at max instance)
# 14    ACME InstaGadget        (at max instance)
# 15    Felicitous Populi
# 16   Enslavement

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No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:    1
No. of rolls per line:          1

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> #C Player: A Mean Hat.
> #C He recieved an Otzma Card for a Boon.
> #C
> #C The determination is made according to the following table
> #C A value of - means that card cannot be selected for some reason.
> #C
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> #C  2 Map Shard
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> #C  3 Share My Expenses
> #C  4 Share Your Income       (at max instance)
> #C  - Swinging Sale           (at max instance)
> #C  - Tactical Retreat        (at max instance)
> #C  5 Paratroop
> #C  - Foul Fowl               (at max instance)
> #C  6 Truthseeker
> #C  - Fix My Gadget           (at max instance)
> #C  7 Art Thief
> #C  - Skeleton Key            (at max instance)
> #C  8 Artic Explorer
> #C  9 Lay Off!                (at max instance)
> #C 10 Founder's Boon
> #C 11 Roulette Wheel
> #C 12 Training Regime
> #C 13 Shield                  (at max instance)
> #C 14 ACME InstaGadget        (at max instance)
> #C 15 Felicitous Populi
> #C 16   Enslavement
> 
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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 06:25:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, K 2 wrote:
> 
> > The end of an era...
> > 
> > I suport breadbox's induction into The Hall of Elders
> 
> I support breadbox's induction into the Hall of Elders
>

 I support breadbox's induction into The Hall of Elders
 
> 
> Making it
> JT
> K 2
> Slakko
> Wild Card

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 06:27:55 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Otzma Cards

And we are back at 100.  A Mean Hat. has 7 cards and must destroy one
before he can do anything else with otzma cards.

- --JT

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 08:39:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

Jonathan David Amery wrote:

>  I support breadbox's induction into The Hall of Elders

I also support breadbox's induction into the hall of elders. I also threaten
to break the kneecaps of all thos who don't :-).Making it
 JT
 K 2
 Slakko
 Wild Card
Gromit

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 09:45:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

I like my patella, so I support the inductionof breadbox into the Hall of
Elders.

Supported by:

 JT
 K 2
 Slakko
 Wild Card
 Gromit
 IdiotBoy

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:13:43 -0500 (EST)
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

I support the nomination of breadbox into the Hall of Elders, making it:

JT
K 2
Slakko
Wild Card
Gromit
IdiotBoy
Rex Mundi

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:33:58 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, JT wrote:

> I nominate breadbox for Enshrinment into the Hall of Elders.
> I support this nomination.
> 
> The confirmation period will last for 3 days from this message.
> I will track the info and release the results at the end of that time.
> 
> --JT, Speaker

A more deserving candidate could not be found anywhere. I support this
nomination as well.

Vynd

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 12:59:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

I support the nomination of breadbox into the Hall of Elders, making it nine:

>JT
>K 2
>Slakko
>Wild Card
>Gromit
>IdiotBoy
>Rex Mundi
>Vynd
>Calvin N Hobbes

CnH

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 13:11:45 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

In the words of my esteemed colleague Calvin N Hobbes:

>I support the nomination of breadbox into the Hall of Elders, making it
ten:

>JT
>K 2
>Slakko
>Wild Card
>Gromit
>IdiotBoy
>Rex Mundi
>Vynd
>Calvin N Hobbes
>Alfvaen

I would like to call an election for Spelling Exchequer as well, since I
believe this is necessary for Optional offices...

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 13:29:20 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

JT wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> >> Because of JAM Church Policy, this happens w/o approval of any other JAM
> >> members
> >
> >Uh, I accept these otzma cards, though it looks like K2 has already harfed
> >the transfer as occurring.
> 
> OC's are giftable, so you didn't have to accept :)

When did that happen?

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 13:32:41 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

> I nominate breadbox for Enshrinment into the Hall of Elders.
> I support this nomination.

I support this nomination.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 14:04:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> JT wrote:
> > On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
> > >> Because of JAM Church Policy, this happens w/o approval of any other JAM
> > >> members
> > >
> > >Uh, I accept these otzma cards, though it looks like K2 has already harfed
> > >the transfer as occurring.
> > 
> > OC's are giftable, so you didn't have to accept :)
> 
> When did that happen?

With the passage of proposal 2585, January 15 1998.
They have been gift entities for over 9 months.

Yours,
Slakko
author of Proposal 2585 :-)
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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 14:28:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

I destroy my otzma card Share My Expenses
- --A Mean Hat.
Crazy French Scotsman --Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master  --  Really
Weird --  Rule-Harfer -- Warrior Caste

- --"They'll stone you when you're playing your guitar" [Bob Dylan]

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 15:33:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> I destroy my otzma card Share My Expenses

 I convert 15 points into an OC Skeleton Key.

 I offer the OC so created to rufus.

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http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 15:45:17 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

:
: I offer the OC so created to rufus.

I accept. Thanks.

rufuus

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:02:20 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>I would like to call an election for Spelling Exchequer as well, since I
>believe this is necessary for Optional offices...

I did this already I thought :)

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:06:33 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>
>> I destroy my otzma card Share My Expenses
>
> I convert 15 points into an OC Skeleton Key.

I'm sorry, Skeleton Key's are at their max instance.   This fails.

> I offer the OC so created to rufus.

Doesn't occur, since you didn't create one.

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:09:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, JT wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> >On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
> >
> >> I destroy my otzma card Share My Expenses
> >
> > I convert 15 points into an OC Skeleton Key.
> 
> I'm sorry, Skeleton Key's are at their max instance.   This fails.

 Not according to uour www-page, which I assumed to be vaguely correct...
 
> > I offer the OC so created to rufus.
> 
> Doesn't occur, since you didn't create one.
> 
> --JT
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> 

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Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:09:37 -0500 (EST)
From: "Head Apollo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination, Breadbox

I support this nomination.

>I support the nomination of breadbox into the Hall of Elders, making it:
>
>JT
>K 2
>Slakko
>Wild Card
>Gromit
>IdiotBoy
>Rex Mundi
>eirs

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:13:12 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, JT wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>> >On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>> >
>> >> I destroy my otzma card Share My Expenses
>> >
>> > I convert 15 points into an OC Skeleton Key.
>> 
>> I'm sorry, Skeleton Key's are at their max instance.   This fails.
>
> Not according to uour www-page, which I assumed to be vaguely correct...

Card Type        F-Designation    Max Instance      Current Number
Skeleton Key     normal           5                 5

That is the information off of
http://brain.mics.net/~jt/acka/runemaker.html

Please note that Max Instance and Current Number are equal.

(and no, this isn't a recently changed numnber, Skeleton Key has been at
max instance for a while)

- --JT

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:16:53 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

> >> I destroy my otzma card Share My Expenses

> > I convert 15 points into an OC Skeleton Key.

> I'm sorry, Skeleton Key's are at their max instance.   This fails.

So does this mean that Wild Card still loses 15 points, or not?

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:25:33 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>> > I convert 15 points into an OC Skeleton Key.
>
>> I'm sorry, Skeleton Key's are at their max instance.   This fails.
>
>So does this mean that Wild Card still loses 15 points, or not?

Hrm.
Rule 1045 states only that the players loses the points and gains the
specified object unless otherwise specified.
Rule 1045 doesn't mention anything about instance limits.
Rule 1240 says
   f. It is impermissible to create an Otzma Card if creating that Card
   will exceed any Instance limits specified for Otzma Cards by the
   rules.

It says this in context of the runemaker and otzma days, however, I
believe game custom and the meaning of instance limit would be sufficient
to make this apply to any other creations of otzma cards.

Since it says impermissible, then the action which caused that creation
to occur couldn't have happened (thats the difference between illegal and
impermissible), so I'd say that the conversion didn't actually occur and
therefore no points were lost.

- --JT

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 17:04:24 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Awards

I award JT a silver stripe for having reached a BCR of 70, bringing him up
to 1 gold and 1 silver stripe.

I also award Alfvaen another silver stripe for reaching a BCR of 160,
bringing him up to 3 gold and 2 silver stripes.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 18:29:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 680 (Fortunato)

The Green Ripper auto-declined this on going Non-Voting.
Fortunato has been selected.

Sorry - I wasn't sure if I'd already sent this or not.

Call for Judgement 680 - October 27, 1998
Subject: Museum CWCFJ
Initiator: JT (sent 27 Oct 1998, 03:42 Acka)
1st Judge: The Green Ripper (chosen 27 Oct 1998, 05:40 Acka) (declined)
2nd Judge: Fortunato

Judgement:

Statement:
	JT has achieved a winning condition during the current cycle.

Reasoning:
	On  Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:53:15 -0500 (EST)  JT donated A$2705 to
the museum in the form of 2 of Malenkai's Gold Coins (#27 and #28) and
the trinket 'JT cleaned out his closet and found all of this junk' (value
of A$2703).  Since his Benefactor Value at the time of donation was
A$2296, this brought his total Benefactor Value to A$5001.  Since this was
the first time that JT had a Benefactor Value greater than A$5000, e
achieved a Winning Condition.

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 19:42:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, JT wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> >On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, JT wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> >> >On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I destroy my otzma card Share My Expenses
> >> >
> >> > I convert 15 points into an OC Skeleton Key.
> >> 
> >> I'm sorry, Skeleton Key's are at their max instance.   This fails.
> >
> > Not according to uour www-page, which I assumed to be vaguely correct...
> 
> Card Type        F-Designation    Max Instance      Current Number
> Skeleton Key     normal           5                 5
> 
> That is the information off of
> http://brain.mics.net/~jt/acka/runemaker.html
> 
> Please note that Max Instance and Current Number are equal.
> 
> (and no, this isn't a recently changed numnber, Skeleton Key has been at
> max instance for a while)
> 

 Um - can I blame highly unlikely intenet error?  The version I've still
got in my browser window still says 5 4. :-(

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Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 19:47:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, JT wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
> >> > I convert 15 points into an OC Skeleton Key.
> >
> >> I'm sorry, Skeleton Key's are at their max instance.   This fails.
> >
> >So does this mean that Wild Card still loses 15 points, or not?
> Since it says impermissible, then the action which caused that creation
> to occur couldn't have happened (thats the difference between illegal and
> impermissible), so I'd say that the conversion didn't actually occur and
> therefore no points were lost.

 In that case I convert 20 points into an OC Founder's Boon.

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 20:18:23 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>> Please note that Max Instance and Current Number are equal.
>> 
>> (and no, this isn't a recently changed numnber, Skeleton Key has been at
>> max instance for a while)
>> 
>
> Um - can I blame highly unlikely intenet error?  The version I've still
>got in my browser window still says 5 4. :-(

That's really bizzare.  Try cleaning your explorer/netscape cache and
reloading the page.

- --JT

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 20:19:48 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> In that case I convert 20 points into an OC Founder's Boon.

This is fine.

- --JT

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 20:31:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: JAM transfers

On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, JT wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Nov 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> >> Please note that Max Instance and Current Number are equal.
> >> 
> >> (and no, this isn't a recently changed numnber, Skeleton Key has been at
> >> max instance for a while)
> >> 
> >
> > Um - can I blame highly unlikely intenet error?  The version I've still
> >got in my browser window still says 5 4. :-(
> 
> That's really bizzare.  Try cleaning your explorer/netscape cache and
> reloading the page.
> 

 As I've pointed out before, I don't use either of those, but since my
cache is set to 10 mins expiry (that page /had/ been open for hour's I'll
admit) a quick refresh showed you to be correct - naturally. :-)

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