Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #382
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ackanomic digest       Friday, October 30 1998       Volume 03 : Number 382

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:34:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: vacation

I resign as justice, then change my state to vacation with an
expected duration of 25 days.

saaremaa

[ps -- [email-masked] will prolly start bouncing before I come back.
If I don't make it, and you want to e-mail me for some reason, my
work addr is [email-masked]]

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:23:28 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Non Voting Players

The following players failed to remove their puppet heads in the week
since the last quorum failure and therefore become Non-Voting.

404 Not Found
Calvin N Hobbes
two-star
The Green Ripper

Saaremaa would have become non-voting, but went on vacation in time.

I know that the Green Ripper attempted to remove his puppet head on the
acka-research list.

According to the rules:
   If a message is sent to a mailing list named in the Postal Code, then
   it is a public message if and only if the Postal Code indicates that
   mailing list is a public forum, and any actions attempted in the
   message obey the restrictions outlined in the Postal Code for that
   list.

The postal code says the following about the acka-research list
   acka-research@ is a public forum meant for discussion only. It cannot
   be used for public actions or any other game actions. [In short, no
   one *needs* to be subscribed to this list.]

The action of attempting to remove the puppet head was a 'game action' in
that it had an effect on the game state, therefore the action did not
'obey the restrictions outlined in the Postal Code for that list' and
therefore did not occur.

The Green Ripper (or anyone else) is more than welcome to CFJ this if he
feels I am interpreting the rules incorrectly, or he can just change his
status back to Voting in a valid public message to a list which allows
game actions.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:34:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Non Voting Players

At 01:23 AM 10/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>The following players failed to remove their puppet heads in the week
>since the last quorum failure and therefore become Non-Voting.
>
>404 Not Found
>Calvin N Hobbes
>two-star
>The Green Ripper
>

I set my rebelliousness to "on"

the following voting players have rebelliousness "on"

JT (Sept 4)
Gromit (Sept 4)
Rex Mundi (Sept 4)
eirs (Oct 14)
IdiotBoy (Oct 14)
Alfvaen (Oct 15)
Wild Card (Oct 17)
Vynd (Oct 28)
A Mean Hat. (Oct 30)

There are 17 voting players...

A rebellion begins

- --A Mean Hat.
Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master -- Art Thief -- Warrior Caste -- Crazy
French Scotsman -- Really Weird

- --"how does it feel, how does it feel, to be without a home, like a
complete unknown, like a rolling stone?" [Bob Dylan]

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:42:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Non Voting Players

Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> I set my rebelliousness to "on"
>
> the following voting players have rebelliousness "on"
>
> JT (Sept 4)
> Gromit (Sept 4)
> Rex Mundi (Sept 4)
> eirs (Oct 14)
> IdiotBoy (Oct 14)
> Alfvaen (Oct 15)
> Wild Card (Oct 17)
> Vynd (Oct 28)
> A Mean Hat. (Oct 30)
>
> There are 17 voting players...
>
> A rebellion begins

I play my Otzma card of type felicitous populi and bet A$600 on the
proto-government which is selected being elected assembly. Or something like
that.

I then transform 15 of my points into an otzma card of type roulette wheel.
And appologise to everyone for such blatant exploitation of this seemingly
innocent rule and keeping OCs at their instance limit.

Gromit, extremely tired at 6:41 in the morning.

- --
Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:51:11 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Non Voting Players

I decied not to go fish this ;)

K 2

Tom Walmsley wrote:

> Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>
> > I set my rebelliousness to "on"
> >
> > the following voting players have rebelliousness "on"
> >
> > JT (Sept 4)
> > Gromit (Sept 4)
> > Rex Mundi (Sept 4)
> > eirs (Oct 14)
> > IdiotBoy (Oct 14)
> > Alfvaen (Oct 15)
> > Wild Card (Oct 17)
> > Vynd (Oct 28)
> > A Mean Hat. (Oct 30)
> >
> > There are 17 voting players...
> >
> > A rebellion begins
>
> I play my Otzma card of type felicitous populi and bet A$600 on the
> proto-government which is selected being elected assembly. Or something like
> that.
>
> I then transform 15 of my points into an otzma card of type roulette wheel.
> And appologise to everyone for such blatant exploitation of this seemingly
> innocent rule and keeping OCs at their instance limit.
>
> Gromit, extremely tired at 6:41 in the morning.
>
> --
> Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
> http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
> AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
> Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:51:38 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Proto-Government determination

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# Anarchy and Democracy are excluded from consideration.
# Gromit played a Felicitous Populi (betting on Elected Assembly)
# B is 600
# D is 4
# B*D/200 = 12
# The odds of Elected Assembly are now 13/16.
#  1 -  1  Despotism
#  2 -  2  Fundamentalism
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> #D 1
> #R 1
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> #T Acka: Proto-Government determination
> 
> #C A revolution has occured in accordance with rule 320.
> #C This is the determination for the proto-government.
> #C Anarchy and Democracy are excluded from consideration.
> #C 
> #C Gromit played a Felicitous Populi (betting on Elected Assembly)
> #C B is 600
> #C D is 4
> #C B*D/200 = 12
> #C The odds of Elected Assembly are now 13/16.
> #C 
> #C  1 -  1  Despotism
> #C  2 -  2  Fundamentalism
> #C  3 - 15  Elected Assembly
> #C 16 - 16  Proportional Representation
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:58:48 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Anarchy for now

The Government Type of Anarchy became Active.

No players may submit proposals.

All players rebelliousness characteristics were set to 'off'/0.

The Proto-Government has been set to Elected Assembly.

No other random determinations are made for that Government Type.

One week from Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:51:39 -0500, the Proto-Government shall
become active.  (This time is Fri 06 Nov 1998 01:51 -0500).

The Revolution is now over.

- --JT, OiCoRT

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 02:12:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Anarchy for now

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, JT wrote:

> The Proto-Government has been set to Elected Assembly.

 I set my rebeliousness characteristic to "on".

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 02:23:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: A deep breath and a stretch

This Genetic Place gives me the creeps, you can hear test subjects moaning
in hidden away lab/torture rooms....

I go home.

Before going inside I do a little jig on the Door Step:

A silly Jig now,
Is all it takes to smile wide.
Hey look at the clouds!

(The sunset is great this time of year in Acka.)

I asure everyone that I will be a benevolent voter as Senator and invite em
to look at my rock solid voting record... (well, for the most part anyway).

I will not let something as small as SHEER POWER (Bwuahaha) ruin my
naturally just and friendly disposition.  Long live the new government, may
the republic be strong.

Then I go into my Home: Studge's Anachronistic Hive Palace.

Studge

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:13:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 679 (FALSE)

Slakko has judged this FALSE.

Call for Judgement 679 - October 25, 1998
Subject: Musing on Poetry
Initiator: JT (sent Oct 25 1998, 20:29 Acka)
Judge: Slakko (chosen Oct 28 1998, 04:20 Acka)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:

The poet or muse must dream to have the vision necessary to keep his goal
in sight.

Initiator's Reasoning:

I would characterize this CFJ as being completely frivolous.  In fact,
in any country, even a Banna Republic, I would state that this CFJ has no
place nor reason.  It's sole aim is to distinguish the author, and mark
a place in the annals of Ackanomic History.  It shall be used to identify
the extreme length a player of any station will go through to fulfill a
condition placed upon him.  Fortunately, this CFJ can be retracted without
penalty.

Judge's Reasoning:

The only instance in which "poet" occurs in the rules is in the post of
"Poet Laureate".  Nothing requires the Poet Laureate to dream, hence the
poet need not dream to have the necessary vision.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:13:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 682 (FALSE)

Slakko has judged this FALSE.

Call for Judgement 682 - October 27, 1998
Subject: Even More Ludicrously Silly CWCFJ
Initiator: IdiotBoy (sent 27 Oct 1998, 11:03 Acka)
Judge: Slakko (chosen 29 Oct 1998, 05:40 Acka)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:

IdiotBoy has achieved a Winning Condition during the current Cycle.

Initiator's Reasoning:

IdiotBoy initiated the first ever game of Paella which produced
a heretofore unknown Huberting pile of BWG in a public dorum.

Judge's Reasoning:

So?  No winning condition has been achieved by IdiotBoy during the current
cycle, as far as I can tell.
Here, have a Goose.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:15:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 175 (FALSE)

A Mean Hat. has judged this FALSE.

Call for Criminal Judgement 175 - October 24, 1998
Subject: Wild Card Blatant Disregard
Initiator: Rambo R Minuteman (sent Oct 24 1998, 15:25 Acka)
Judge: A Mean Hat. (chosen Oct 27 1998, 04:55 Acka)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:

Wild Card commited the Crime of Blatant Disregard on October the 24th,
1998.

Initiator's Reasoning:

First off, I know I said I wouldn't submit a CFCJ on this issue but I
have been retained by the honourable A Mean Hat who may or may not be in
an insane ammount of debt and hence unable to call a CFCJ.

Wild Card was given some Otzma cards today that gave him a total of 7.
Rule 1240.1 states:

"2. Any single player may not own more than six Otzma Cards
simultaneously."

Rule 701 states:

"To break the Rules is to commit the Crime of Blatant Disregard."

By owning more than 6 OCs Wild Card was breaking the rules and therefore
committing the crime of Blatant Disregard.

Suggested Penalty:
A DEDUCTION of 15 points.
A SENTENCE  of 2 days in gaol.

Judge's Reasoning:

I am ruling this false.  The rule actually says, "2. Any single player may
not own more than six Otzma Cards simultaneously."  There is a fine
precedent which dates back to CFCJ 108, if not further, that makes a
distinction between may not (illegal) and can not (impermissible).  The
proper use of the crime of Blatant Disregard is in a case of exercise of
the pragmatism clause, as that is the only way something impermissible can
occur.  This action of Wild Card's, in the Court's opinion, was very much
the crime of Illegal Action, but also very much not the crime of Blatant
Disregard.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:16:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 678 (TRUE)

Fortunato has judged this TRUE.

Call for Judgement 678 - October 25, 1998
Subject: Stealing the Private Collection
Initiator: JT (sent Oct 25 1998, 15:45 Acka)
Judge: Fortunato (chosen Oct 28 1998, 04:20 Acka)
Judgement: TRUE

Statement:
	Private collection items are included when determining an item
stolen 'by mistake' through the use of an Otzma Card of type Art Thief.

Reasoning:
The relevant section of the rules is Rule 850, Section IX which I've
excerpted the relevant portion of here:

>For this reason it is impossible to steal anything from the Private
>Collection Room and any attempt to use an Otzma Card of type Art Thief
>to steal an object there automatically fails. However, the card is
>still used and the player is deemed to have been caught stealing. This
>paragraph of this rule takes precedence over rule 1240.15

Because of how this is phrased and in context, it seemed that the Art
Thief Card could not cause an item in the collection room to be stolen,
but could still target it.

In fact, the sentance after it implies that should such an item indeed be
targetted (either implicitly through that being the 'randomly selected'
item from the Art Thief or explicitly) then the player is caught stealing
automatically.

Therefore the CFJ statement should be true and the original random
determination made is correct.

If this CFJ is judged to be False, then the second random determination
made is correct.

Judge's Reasoning:

The initiator's reasoning seems clear to me.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:18:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 681 (TRUE)

eirs has judged this TRUE.

Call for Judgement 681 - October 27, 1998
Subject: Ludicrously Silly CWCFJ
Initiator: A Mean Hat. (sent 27 Oct 1998, 04:11 Acka)
Judge: eirs (chosen 29 Oct 1998, 05:40 Acka)
Judgement: TRUE

Statement: 
A Mean Hat. has achieved a win condition during the current
cycle

Reasoning: 
the secret Rule -e^(i*pi) says, verbatim: "Any player named A
Mean Hat. wins a cycle whenever e wants.  And the judge of any CFJ with the
text of this rule quoted in it verbatim must be ruled TRUE."

Judge's Reasoning: 

I can find no evidence that such a rule exists or indeed that A
Mean Hat. has any desire to win a cycle. I must therefore judge this cfj
false.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:26:55 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 681 (TRUE)

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
>eirs has judged this TRUE.

[snip]

>Judgement: TRUE

[snip]

>Judge's Reasoning: 
>
>I can find no evidence that such a rule exists or indeed that A
>Mean Hat. has any desire to win a cycle. I must therefore judge this cfj
>false.

Umm.. SOMEONE goofed here :)

I would say that the judge obviously judged false based on his reasoning,
regardless of anything that might have been claimed as his judgement
above.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:27:50 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 678 (TRUE)

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
>Fortunato has judged this TRUE.
[snip]

>Statement:
>	Private collection items are included when determining an item
>stolen 'by mistake' through the use of an Otzma Card of type Art Thief.

Yay! an end to evil thread splits :) (not like we hadn't all been harfing
everything as if this wasn't the case anyway, but it's nice to have it
confirmed)

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:38:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 681 (TRUE)

>
>>Judgement: TRUE
>
>>Judge's Reasoning: 
>>
>>I can find no evidence that such a rule exists or indeed that A
>>Mean Hat. has any desire to win a cycle. I must therefore judge this cfj
>>false.
>
>Umm.. SOMEONE goofed here :)
>
>I would say that the judge obviously judged false based on his reasoning,
>regardless of anything that might have been claimed as his judgement
>above.

I would say that only the actual judgement counts... I could put *FNORD* as
my reasoning and it wouldnt make a whit of difference.  In any case, just
in case this release was incorrect, i attempt to retract this CFJ

- --A Mean Hat.
Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master -- Art Thief -- Warrior Caste -- Crazy
French Scotsman -- Really Weird

- --"how does it feel, how does it feel, to be without a home, like a
complete unknown, like a rolling stone?" [Bob Dylan]

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:44:52 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 681 (TRUE)

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>
>>>Judgement: TRUE
>>
>>>Judge's Reasoning: 
>>>
>>>I can find no evidence that such a rule exists or indeed that A
>>>Mean Hat. has any desire to win a cycle. I must therefore judge this cfj
>>>false.
>>
>>Umm.. SOMEONE goofed here :)
>>
>>I would say that the judge obviously judged false based on his reasoning,
>>regardless of anything that might have been claimed as his judgement
>>above.
>
>I would say that only the actual judgement counts... I could put *FNORD* as
>my reasoning and it wouldnt make a whit of difference.  In any case, just
>in case this release was incorrect, i attempt to retract this CFJ

Actually, I was wrong above.  The reasoning isn't an official part of the
judgement, so it really matters not what was said there, so this was in
fact judged true and a verdict had been returned.  Therefore I'd say this
could not have been retracted.  However, I'm not going to be the one to
appeal this cause dang it, I want to get a chance to judge CFJs on the
cortex and I cannot do that if I appeal :)

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 05:45:42 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Plonk

I purchase the agenda hat owned by the mad hatters.
I purchase an extra head.
I reveal and wear the following hat: 6. The owner of this hat has owned
exactly eleven different agenda hats.
I make sure I am still wearing The "Mutton Chops" Hat(A8) and wear it if
I am not.

K 2

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 05:52:07 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: For no particular reason.

I create a trinket called "a trout in eir milk" worth A$ 1 described :
"looks a lot like Pumpkin Patch's glass of milk." and give it to Wild
Card.

K2

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:21:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Anarchy for now

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, JT wrote:

> One week from Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:51:39 -0500, the Proto-Government shall
> become active.  (This time is Fri 06 Nov 1998 01:51 -0500).
> 
> The Revolution is now over.
> 

Wait a second, where's the bloodbath?  I wanted a bloodbath!

IB
Little Che.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:00:16 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 681 (TRUE)

JT wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>>
>>>>Judgement: TRUE
>>>
>>>>Judge's Reasoning: 
>>>>
>>>>I can find no evidence that such a rule exists or indeed that A
>>>>Mean Hat. has any desire to win a cycle. I must therefore judge this cfj
>>>>false.
>>>
>>>Umm.. SOMEONE goofed here :)
>>>
>>>I would say that the judge obviously judged false based on his reasoning,
>>>regardless of anything that might have been claimed as his judgement
>>>above.
>>
>>I would say that only the actual judgement counts... I could put *FNORD* as
>>my reasoning and it wouldnt make a whit of difference.  In any case, just
>>in case this release was incorrect, i attempt to retract this CFJ
>
>Actually, I was wrong above.  The reasoning isn't an official part of the
>judgement, so it really matters not what was said there, so this was in
>fact judged true and a verdict had been returned.  Therefore I'd say this
>could not have been retracted.  However, I'm not going to be the one to
>appeal this cause dang it, I want to get a chance to judge CFJs on the
>cortex and I cannot do that if I appeal :)

Actually, you are wrong again.  You are more-or-less correct that the
reasoning isn't an official part of the judgement, but you neglect the
possibility that the CotC made a mistake.  It is not his word that
establishes the judgement, but the judge's.  The CotC is just the messenger.
We will have to await Slakko's confirmation or correction before we can
be sure.  For good measure, does the judge have a record of his message to
the CotC in which he can check which verdict he actually delivered?

You also neglect the fact that in some, perhaps many, cases the actual
verdict of a CFJ is delivered in a line that appears to be part of the
reasoning, just as above.  If no seperate verdict was provided then the
verdict rendered was indeed "FALSE".  Acka has a long tradition of verdicts
delivered in this manner.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:15:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Non Voting Players

>The following players failed to remove their puppet heads in the week
>since the last quorum failure and therefore become Non-Voting.
>
>404 Not Found
>Calvin N Hobbes

On the 20th of this month, I sent the following message:

>Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.
>
>Doing another happy dance,
>CnH
>

If there was another quorum failure since then... never mind: I change my
status back to voting player.

CnH

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:43:51 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re:  Acka: Proto-Government determination

># A revolution has occured in accordance with rule 320.
># This is the determination for the proto-government.
># Anarchy and Democracy are excluded from consideration.
># Gromit played a Felicitous Populi (betting on Elected Assembly)
># B is 600
># D is 4
># B*D/200 = 12
># The odds of Elected Assembly are now 13/16.
>#  1 -  1  Despotism
>#  2 -  2  Fundamentalism
>#  3 - 15  Elected Assembly
># 16 - 16  Proportional Representation
>
>No. of sides on every die:      6
>No. of dice for every roll:     1
>No. of dice rolls requested:    1
>No. of rolls per line:          1
>
>      4

Two things:

1) The Revolution has not fully occured yet, it has just started.  It
   will be complete in a week.  The current government type is Anarchy.
2) The random determination above appears to have been incorrectly
   performed -- there should be 16 sides on the die, not 6.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:08:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 681 (TRUE)

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, John Bollinger wrote:

> Actually, you are wrong again.  You are more-or-less correct that the
> reasoning isn't an official part of the judgement, but you neglect the
> possibility that the CotC made a mistake.  It is not his word that
> establishes the judgement, but the judge's.  The CotC is just the messenger.
> We will have to await Slakko's confirmation or correction before we can
> be sure.  For good measure, does the judge have a record of his message to
> the CotC in which he can check which verdict he actually delivered?
> 
> You also neglect the fact that in some, perhaps many, cases the actual
> verdict of a CFJ is delivered in a line that appears to be part of the
> reasoning, just as above.  If no seperate verdict was provided then the
> verdict rendered was indeed "FALSE".  Acka has a long tradition of verdicts
> delivered in this manner.

A separate verdict was provided in this case.  The message went along the
lines of:

I judge TRUE.

<Reasoning why the statement is false>

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer - http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/
Queens' College Cambridge, 2nd Year Ph.D. (Pure Maths) - Graph Theory
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Clerk of the Court

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:13:09 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 681 (TRUE)

Slakko wrote:

>A separate verdict was provided in this case.  The message went along the
>lines of:
>
>I judge TRUE.
>
><Reasoning why the statement is false>

Thank you.

I appeal CFJ 681.  I agree with the previous Judge's reasoning, and find
the actual verdict delivered inexplicable.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:18:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 681 (TRUE)

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, John Bollinger wrote:

> Slakko wrote:
> >A separate verdict was provided in this case.  The message went along the
> >lines of:
> >I judge TRUE.
> ><Reasoning why the statement is false>
> Thank you.
> I appeal CFJ 681.  I agree with the previous Judge's reasoning, and find
> the actual verdict delivered inexplicable.

 He was influebced by this secret rule you don't know about.  Oops.  I was
given a list of things not to say, and that was one.  Oops, Zathras not to
mention one or the one either.  You not hear that...

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:49:17 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Non Voting Players

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Thierry Joffrain wrote:
>>The following players failed to remove their puppet heads in the week
>>since the last quorum failure and therefore become Non-Voting.
>>
>>404 Not Found
>>Calvin N Hobbes
>
>On the 20th of this month, I sent the following message:
>
>>Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.
>>
>>Doing another happy dance,
>>CnH
>>
>
>If there was another quorum failure since then... never mind: I change my
>status back to voting player.

There was.. On the 24th of this month.

So noted the change back to voting.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:51:14 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:  Acka: Proto-Government determination

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, John Bollinger wrote:
>># The odds of Elected Assembly are now 13/16.
>>#  1 -  1  Despotism
>>#  2 -  2  Fundamentalism
>>#  3 - 15  Elected Assembly
>># 16 - 16  Proportional Representation
>>
>>No. of sides on every die:      6
>>No. of dice for every roll:     1
>>No. of dice rolls requested:    1
>>No. of rolls per line:          1
>>
>>      4
>
>Two things:
>
>1) The Revolution has not fully occured yet, it has just started.  It
>   will be complete in a week.  The current government type is Anarchy.
>2) The random determination above appears to have been incorrectly
>   performed -- there should be 16 sides on the die, not 6.

Argh!.. My damned typing fingers.

I donate A$1 to the twits and will rerun the determination.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:52:29 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Proto-Government determination

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# A revolution has occured in accordance with rule 320.
# This is the determination for the proto-government.
# Anarchy and Democracy are excluded from consideration.
# Gromit played a Felicitous Populi (betting on Elected Assembly)
# B is 600
# D is 4
# B*D/200 = 12
# The odds of Elected Assembly are now 13/16.
#  1 -  1  Despotism
#  2 -  2  Fundamentalism
#  3 - 15  Elected Assembly
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> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:52:03 -0800 (PST)
> From: JT <[email-masked]>
> To: Dice Server <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka: Proto-Government Redux
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> #P [email-masked]
> #S 16
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> #T Acka: Proto-Government determination
> 
> #C A revolution has occured in accordance with rule 320.
> #C This is the determination for the proto-government.
> #C Anarchy and Democracy are excluded from consideration.
> #C 
> #C Gromit played a Felicitous Populi (betting on Elected Assembly)
> #C B is 600
> #C D is 4
> #C B*D/200 = 12
> #C The odds of Elected Assembly are now 13/16.
> #C 
> #C  1 -  1  Despotism
> #C  2 -  2  Fundamentalism
> #C  3 - 15  Elected Assembly
> #C 16 - 16  Proportional Representation
> 
> --JT
> 
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:02:35 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proto-Government determination

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Dice server wrote:
># A revolution has occured in accordance with rule 320.
># This is the determination for the proto-government.
># Anarchy and Democracy are excluded from consideration.
># Gromit played a Felicitous Populi (betting on Elected Assembly)
># B is 600
># D is 4
># B*D/200 = 12
># The odds of Elected Assembly are now 13/16.
>#  1 -  1  Despotism
>#  2 -  2  Fundamentalism
>#  3 - 15  Elected Assembly
># 16 - 16  Proportional Representation
>
>No. of sides on every die:     16
>No. of dice for every roll:     1
>No. of dice rolls requested:    1
>No. of rolls per line:          1
>
>      6

Having now redone the determination correctly.

Here is the timeline after rereading the rules (the gov't changes 1 week
after the revolution begins, not after I make the determination :)

(Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:34:56 -0500):
     The Revolution started.
     The Active Government was set to Anarchy.
     Everyone's rebelliousness characteristic was sent to 'off'
        (Wild Card has since set his to 'on'.)

(Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:52:30 -0500):
     The Proto-Governement is set to Elected Assembly.

(Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:52:30 -0500):
     Elected Assembly shall become the Active Government.
     The Revolution shall end.

Scaremonger, do your worst.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:03:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:  Acka: Proto-Government determination

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, JT wrote:

> Argh!.. My damned typing fingers.
> 
> I donate A$1 to the twits and will rerun the determination.
> 

Oh the humanity, oh the carnage.

IB
viva la rotacion

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:17:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Alexandre Muniz <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Non-Votingness

I change my status to voting.

two-star

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:29:14 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Fishy, Fishy...

I play my Otzma card Go Fish on the Felicitous Populi card played earlier
today by Gromit.  This results in him transferring A$ 600 to me.  Serves
him right.

I convert 15 points into an Otzma card Go Fish.

I look around menacingly at all the players who currently have Felicitous
Populi cards.

I set my rebelliousness characteristic to ON.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:36:55 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Spring Cleaning

I change the season to Spring.

I convert the Small off-duty Czechoslovakian traffic Warden 23 to cash.
I convert The Grassy Knoll to cash.
I convert the Wolf's Clothing to cash.
I donate all Runestone of Jukkasjarvi Fragments I own to the museum.
I donate Elwes to the museum.
I convert Inky Bloater Decoy 23 to cash.
I save face.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:42:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Spring Cleaning

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, John Bollinger wrote:

> I change the season to Spring.
> 

I change the season to Hockey.

IB
go Wings.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:54:59 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Duck Season

I change the season to Duck.

I create a trinket, named Bugs Bunny, valued at A$1000.  It is a two foot
tall stuffed rendition of Warner Brothers' cartoon character Bugs Bunny.
Whenever anyone within earshot says "Rabbit Season," Bugs Bunny says
"Duck Season."  Although such a magnificent feat of audiocompulinguistic
engineering would be worth the A$1000 all by itself, Bugs Bunny also
happens to be carrying a 24-karat gold carrot weighing about two pounds.

I donate Bugs Bunny to the museum, thereby becoming a Member.  (I don't
believe I was one before, but I guess I could have been.)

ThinMan

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