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ackanomic digest      Thursday, October 29 1998      Volume 03 : Number 381

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:59:27 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: And after that slaughter...

> >On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> >>Happy, Happy, Happy

> >I will await the Scorekeeper authenticating this.

> >--JT

> That's fine.  I'm not *quite* sure about it myself.  I was looking at the
> point logs, which go through prop 3683 (actually 3684, but they were in the
> wrong order), and that implied to me that all changes since then had not
> been done, and that those were the only ones.  Since then, i voted twice,
> for 2 points, and made the 7 otzma cards.  that SHOULD have been net
> -103... but i'm not quite sure.  I mightve done something else in there

Well, if you didn't have any Swingpoints when P3868 passed, then you did
indeed have 105 points when you posted that.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Saturday Morning Cartoon's Greatest Hits
Current Book--Fritz Leiber:The Mind Spider & Other Stories
In cyberspace, you can hear everyone scream.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:07:48 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Die, Stupid Fingers!

I give A$10 to the Twits for having just mistyped a Proposal number and
used a Bonus Vote on the Proposal _after_ the one I really cared about
(which Proposal, the one after, I was pretty indifferent towards), and
that silly clause about not using more than one Bonus Vote on any string
of three consecutive Proposals, and not being able to _retract_ a BV,
oh heavens no...

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- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Saturday Morning Cartoon's Greatest Hits
Current Book--Fritz Leiber:The Mind Spider & Other Stories
Crossing every ocean, for the sake of locomotion...

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:18:47 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Fortnightly Dividends, October 26, 1998

The last fortnight was marred by many quorum failures, so there was more
than the usual number of extreme point drops(which will probably happen
again this current fortnight, but for different reasons).  As always,
the positive score changes indicate the number of A$ awarded at noon on
Monday, while the negative ones indicate that half that number of A$ were
lost at the same time.

With no further ado:

Alfvaen: 69
Gromit: 68
JT: 54
/dev/joe: 45
eirs: 40
Slakko: 34
Leather Artifact: 21
A Mean Hat.: 17
K 2: 15
AJ: 0
breadbox: 0
J. M. Bear: 0
Niccolo Flychuck: 0
Rig R. Mortis: 0
rufus: 0
Wild Card: -5
Robert Sevin: -6
Rex Mundi: -7
Studge: -7
Calvin N Hobbes: -26
Fortunato: -31
saaremaa: -37
The Green Ripper: -52
IdiotBoy: -54
Vynd: -74
ThinMan: -84
404 Not Found: -90
Aunt Froot: -90
two-star: -93
Robin Hood: -100

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- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Saturday Morning Cartoon's Greatest Hits
Current Book--Fritz Leiber:The Mind Spider & Other Stories
He had to wear something on his wrist or his hand would fall off.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:50:58 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: And after that slaughter...

On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>Well, if you didn't have any Swingpoints when P3868 passed, then you did
>indeed have 105 points when you posted that.

Since I'm fairly sure that he did not have any swing point, the boon and
the new magic number will be generated shortly.

- --JT

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:54:25 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Probabilistic Boon of the Ancients

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# Player: A Mean Hat.
# Reason: Happy Number
# Boon of the Ancients determination
# based on the following (using a 100 sided die)
#   1 -  45     Ancient Artifact
#  46 -  70     Ancient Scroll (Otzma Card)
#  71 -  80     Gods Smile (Bonus Vote) 
#  81 -  87     Ancient Relic (Trinket - Must Describe)
#  88 -  92     Ancient Knowledge (Discovery - Must Describe)
#  93 -  97     Ancient Wisdom (New Otzma Card - Must Describe)
#  98 -  99     Gods are Bored (Pointy Ears)
# 100 - 100     Gods are Grouchy (Goose)

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No. of dice for every roll:     1
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> #P [email-masked]
> #S 100
> #D 1
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> #T Acka: Probabilistic Boon of the Ancients
> 
> #C Player: A Mean Hat.
> #C Reason: Happy Number
> #C Boon of the Ancients determination
> #C based on the following (using a 100 sided die)
> #C
> #C   1 -  45  Ancient Artifact
> #C  46 -  70  Ancient Scroll (Otzma Card)
> #C  71 -  80  Gods Smile (Bonus Vote) 
> #C  81 -  87  Ancient Relic (Trinket - Must Describe)
> #C  88 -  92  Ancient Knowledge (Discovery - Must Describe)
> #C  93 -  97  Ancient Wisdom (New Otzma Card - Must Describe)
> #C  98 -  99  Gods are Bored (Pointy Ears)
> #C 100 - 100  Gods are Grouchy (Goose)
> 
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:55:24 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Happy Number

The New Happy Number is 81.
The New Sad Number therefore is 298.

- --JT

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:59:24 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Probabilistic Gadget

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# Player: A Mean Hat.
# This is the gadget for his boon of the ancients.
# It was determined by the following schedule
#  1    - Scroll of Crumble
#  2    - Really Big Blue Thing
#  3    - Whamiol
#  4    - Vending Machine
#  5    - Automatic Sculpture
#  6    - Evil Ballot Stuffer
#  7    - Spell Book of Chorg
#  8    - Plunky Monkey Wrench
#  9    - Cheez-Whiz
# 10    - Silver Spaceship
# 11    - BWG Laser
# 12    - Butler
# 13    - Pyraic Frobnotzer
# 14    - BWG Laser Shotgun Attachment
# 15    - Good Ballot Stuffer
# 16    - Transtemporal Holographic Image Recording Device
# 17    - Guardian Angel
# 18    - Highlander's Sword

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> #P [email-masked]
> #S 18
> #D 1
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> #T Acka: Probabilistic Gadget
> 
> #C Player: A Mean Hat.
> #C This is the gadget for his boon of the ancients.
> #C It was determined by the following schedule
> #C
> #C  1         - Scroll of Crumble
> #C  2 - Really Big Blue Thing
> #C  3 - Whamiol
> #C  4 - Vending Machine
> #C  5 - Automatic Sculpture
> #C  6 - Evil Ballot Stuffer
> #C  7 - Spell Book of Chorg
> #C  8 - Plunky Monkey Wrench
> #C  9 - Cheez-Whiz
> #C 10 - Silver Spaceship
> #C 11 - BWG Laser
> #C 12 - Butler
> #C 13 - Pyraic Frobnotzer
> #C 14 - BWG Laser Shotgun Attachment
> #C 15 - Good Ballot Stuffer
> #C 16 - Transtemporal Holographic Image Recording Device
> #C 17 - Guardian Angel
> #C 18 - Highlander's Sword
> 
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 03:06:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: The Last Swingpoints

The 25th October Swingpoint Awards:

9: Niccolo Flychuck
8: JT
7: /dev/joe
6: Slakko
5: Studge
4: Rambo R Minuteman

plus 1 to each member of the Razor Boomerangs other than JT.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
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http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 03:11:17 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3664 accepted

On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, JT wrote:
>Since Rufus is on vacation, I am the Acting CSRR.   Since he is vacation,
>I can do this (a priveledge may be performed by an acting officer filling
>in for a player who is on vacation)
>
>I issue the following CSR numbered 162 (at least that seems to be the
>correct number) delimited by SHF
>SHF
>Replace the words 'Basic Harfer Fee' with 'Standard Harfer Fee' wherever 
>it occurs in rule 540.2
>SHF

This CSR was created at Sun, 26 Oct 1998 00:28:21 Acka time.
The three days have passed and there was only one objection, so this
CSR takes effect.

Rule Harfer, take note.

- --JT

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 03:21:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bryan Federico" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Studge this one's for you :)

I give Studge all my acka dollars

Leather Artifact
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 04:15:42 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Crisis resolution redone (Oi Count Tabula)

I challenge this CRD on the grounds that recent otzma conversions do not
constitute a crisis; the "loophole" would be more appropriately fixed by
proposal.

This causes/will cause a hearing to commence. Fortunato is/will be the Hearing
Harfer....

K 2

JT wrote:

> I only got one or two comments in response to my question before, and
> those said go with the CRD, so I am.
>
> /dev/joe (and A Mean Hat. and Rambo R Minuteman) pointed out to me that
> the CRD I issued earlier still had a hole in it.  Essentially, assuming
> converting when you had zero or negative points was allowed, you could
> trigger Keep 'Em In The Game repeatedly, and then when my initial CRD took
> effect you would gain back the points you had spent on BV.  However, it
> didn't remove the points that could/would be gained from Keep 'Em In The
> Game and thus a person could easily get a point win (under the
> assumptions).  That is the primary change in the one below.  I do urge
> people to read this carefully.  There are no intentional loopholes in
> this.
>
> I issue the following (corrected) CRD as delimited by OTZMA_AND_BV
> OTZMA_AND_BV
> Amend rule 1045 (Alternative uses for points), by inserting the following
> NO_SCAM delimited text into section a so that numbering of the sub-points
> is maintained.
> NO_SCAM
>    (iv)  This type of conversion may only be performed if a conversion
>          of this type has not been performed by the player attempting it
>          during the prior 14 days.
> NO_SCAM
>
> Amend rule 1045 (Alternative uses for points), by inserting the following
> NO_SCAM_II delimited text into section b so that the numbering of the
> sub-points is maintained.
> NO_SCAM_II
>    (ii)  This type of conversion may only be performed if a conversion of
>          this type has not been performed by the player attempting it
>          during the prior 14 days.
> NO_SCAM_II
>
> Amend rule 1045 (Alternative uses for points) by inserting the following
> text as delimited by NO_NEG_POINTS immediately before subsection a.
> NO_NEG_POINTS
>
> Regardless of anything else, a player may not make a conversion in
> accordance with this rule which would result in eir having negative
> points.
>
> NO_NEG_POINTS
>
> {{
>   Each Bonus Vote created by conversion since the time this CRD has been
>   issued are destroyed and the player who created it will recieve 30
>   points.
>   Each player who has received points from rule 206 (Keep 'Em In The Game)
>   since this CRD has been issued and has made at least one conversion of
>   points via rule 1045 (Alternative uses for points) into Bonus Votes
>   or Otzma Cards which left em with a negative number of points,
>   shall lose all points e gained from rule 206 since this CRD was issued.
> }}
> {{[
>    The reason for the above is that anyone who didn't care about their
>    score could make an infinite number of bonus votes, burying them or
>    giving them to orgs which could hold them.
>    Now that this has been pointed out, hopefully noone will use it, but
>    the above clause should rectify the problem.
> ]}}
> {{
>   JT loses 10 points for not catching all of this before submitting the
>   proposal (and the fixes).
> }}
> OTZMA_AND_BV
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:40:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Harf

I declare Proposals 3700 and 3705 Harfy.

Yours,
Slakko
put that in your 'frop' pipe and smoke it.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:40:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 676 (1-UNDECIDED) (TEFKatSC)

On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> At 12:09 AM 10/28/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >> Slakko has judged this UNDECIDED.
> >> It therefore goes to a Supreme Cortex, TEFKatSC.
> >> Filling in for breadbox is Alfvaen.
> >
> >Okay, now who is my co-Judge again?
> 
> saaremaa

A Mean Hat has it correct.

Yours,
Slakko
Clerk of the Court
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http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:40:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 680 (The Green Ripper)

The Green Ripper has been selected.

Call for Judgement 680 - October 27, 1998
Subject: Museum CWCFJ
Initiator: JT (sent 27 Oct 1998, 03:42 Acka)
Judge: The Green Ripper
Judgement:

Statement:
	JT has achieved a winning condition during the current cycle.

Reasoning:
	On  Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:53:15 -0500 (EST)  JT donated A$2705 to
the museum in the form of 2 of Malenkai's Gold Coins (#27 and #28) and
the trinket 'JT cleaned out his closet and found all of this junk' (value
of A$2703).  Since his Benefactor Value at the time of donation was
A$2296, this brought his total Benefactor Value to A$5001.  Since this was
the first time that JT had a Benefactor Value greater than A$5000, e
achieved a Winning Condition.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:40:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 681 (eirs)

eirs has been selected.

Call for Judgement 681 - October 27, 1998
Subject: Ludicrously Silly CWCFJ
Initiator: A Mean Hat. (sent 27 Oct 1998, 04:11 Acka)
Judge: eirs
Judgement:

Statement: 
A Mean Hat. has achieved a win condition during the current
cycle

Reasoning: 
the secret Rule -e^(i*pi) says, verbatim: "Any player named A
Mean Hat. wins a cycle whenever e wants.  And the judge of any CFJ with the
text of this rule quoted in it verbatim must be ruled TRUE."

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:40:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 682 (Slakko)

Slakko has been selected.

Call for Judgement 682 - October 27, 1998
Subject: Even More Ludicrously Silly CWCFJ
Initiator: IdiotBoy (sent 27 Oct 1998, 11:03 Acka)
Judge: Slakko
Judgement:

Statement:

IdiotBoy has achieved a Winning Condition during the current Cycle.

Reasoning:

IdiotBoy initiated the first ever game of Paella which produced
a heretofore unknown Huberting pile of BWG in a public dorum.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:35:17 -0500 (EST)
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 681 (eirs)

>eirs has been selected.
>
>Call for Judgement 681 - October 27, 1998
>Subject: Ludicrously Silly CWCFJ
>Initiator: A Mean Hat. (sent 27 Oct 1998, 04:11 Acka)
>Judge: eirs
>Judgement:
>
>Statement: 
>A Mean Hat. has achieved a win condition during the current
>cycle
>
>Reasoning: 
>the secret Rule -e^(i*pi) says, verbatim: "Any player named A
>Mean Hat. wins a cycle whenever e wants.  And the judge of any CFJ with the
>text of this rule quoted in it verbatim must be ruled TRUE."
>
>
I rule eirs TRUE.

Rex Mundi (who has been judged FALSE).

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:44:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 681 (eirs)

On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Gavin M. Doig wrote:

> >eirs has been selected.
> >
> >Call for Judgement 681 - October 27, 1998
> >Subject: Ludicrously Silly CWCFJ
> >Initiator: A Mean Hat. (sent 27 Oct 1998, 04:11 Acka)
> >Judge: eirs
> >Judgement:
> >
> >Statement: 
> >A Mean Hat. has achieved a win condition during the current
> >cycle
> >
> >Reasoning: 
> >the secret Rule -e^(i*pi) says, verbatim: "Any player named A
> >Mean Hat. wins a cycle whenever e wants.  And the judge of any CFJ with the
> >text of this rule quoted in it verbatim must be ruled TRUE."
> >
> >
> I rule eirs TRUE.

 I join Rex Mundi in ruling eirs true...

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:59:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 681 (eirs)

At 10:44 AM 10/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Gavin M. Doig wrote:
>
>> >eirs has been selected.
>> >
>> >Call for Judgement 681 - October 27, 1998
>> >Subject: Ludicrously Silly CWCFJ
>> >Initiator: A Mean Hat. (sent 27 Oct 1998, 04:11 Acka)
>> >Judge: eirs
>> >Judgement:
>> >
>> >Statement: 
>> >A Mean Hat. has achieved a win condition during the current
>> >cycle
>> >
>> >Reasoning: 
>> >the secret Rule -e^(i*pi) says, verbatim: "Any player named A
>> >Mean Hat. wins a cycle whenever e wants.  And the judge of any CFJ with
the
>> >text of this rule quoted in it verbatim must be ruled TRUE."
>> >
>> >
>> I rule eirs TRUE.
>
> I join Rex Mundi in ruling eirs true...
>
While they may be wrong about who to SYI, they're right about this.  I rule
eirs TRUE.
- --A Mean Hat.
Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master -- Art Thief -- Warrior Caste -- Crazy
French Scotsman -- Really Weird

- --"how does it feel, how does it feel, to be without a home, like a
complete unknown, like a rolling stone?" [Bob Dylan]

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:38:52 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Crisis resolution redone (Oi Count Tabula)

I announce the start of this hearing, given that I am supposed to do so
now.
The valid responses are, "The President is scamming us", and "This will
patch the crisis".
Reply to this message with your vote.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	K 2 [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Thursday, October 29, 1998 3:16 AM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Acka: Crisis resolution redone (Oi Count Tabula)
>
>I challenge this CRD on the grounds that recent otzma conversions do not
>constitute a crisis; the "loophole" would be more appropriately fixed by
>proposal.
>
>This causes/will cause a hearing to commence. Fortunato is/will be the
>Hearing
>Harfer....
>
>K 2
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:41:03 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: *ping*

Today is Thursday, October 29th, and the Machine That Goes *ping* has
gone *ping* today.  Since I have been Scholar, the Machine has gone
*ping* 3 times.

- ------------------
Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:57:27 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 681 (eirs)

On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>> I rule eirs TRUE.
>>
>> I join Rex Mundi in ruling eirs true...
>>
>While they may be wrong about who to SYI, they're right about this.  I rule
>eirs TRUE.

Ah what the heck.   I rule eirs TRUE as well.

- --JT, occasionally silly

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:12:41 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 681 (eirs)

On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Gavin M. Doig wrote:

> >eirs has been selected.
> >
> >Call for Judgement 681 - October 27, 1998
> >Subject: Ludicrously Silly CWCFJ
> >Initiator: A Mean Hat. (sent 27 Oct 1998, 04:11 Acka)
> >Judge: eirs
> >Judgement:
> >
> >Statement: 
> >A Mean Hat. has achieved a win condition during the current
> >cycle
> >
> >Reasoning: 
> >the secret Rule -e^(i*pi) says, verbatim: "Any player named A
> >Mean Hat. wins a cycle whenever e wants.  And the judge of any CFJ with the
> >text of this rule quoted in it verbatim must be ruled TRUE."
> >
> >
> I rule eirs TRUE.
> 
> Rex Mundi (who has been judged FALSE).
> 
> 

Using my Bronze Torch, I append the following reasoning to CFJ 681:

Drawing on the example of Rex Mundi, it is clear that eirs should be ruled
FALSE. Similarly, the statement of this CFJ is lacking in veracity. This
concludes our broadcast day.

Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:17:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: RBBT

I point my Really Big Blue thing at Leather Artifact, and hit the button
labelled "energize" 

I give em the anagram "r-attila the farce"

            
- --A Mean Hat.
Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master -- Art Thief -- Warrior Caste -- Crazy
French Scotsman -- Really Weird

- --"how does it feel, how does it feel, to be without a home, like a
complete unknown, like a rolling stone?" [Bob Dylan]

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:51:48 -0500 (EST)
From: "Head Apollo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 681 (eirs)

Whose?

eirs

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:31:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Retraction

#retract 3708
#end

I retract proposal 3708.

Gromit.

- --
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http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:46:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3689 rejected

 Happy, Happy, Happy.

 ((I think...))

 69+6*2.

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:04:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3689 rejected

At 02:46 PM 10/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
> Happy, Happy, Happy.
>
> ((I think...))
>
> 69+6*2.
>
Nope, not yet.  There have been only 4 proposals which have come through
since the scores page was updated.  note that:

3685 was retracted
3684 has already been computed

Unless *I* have made an error, you're about 4 points shy still.
- --A Mean Hat.
Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master -- Art Thief -- Warrior Caste -- Crazy
French Scotsman -- Really Weird

- --"how does it feel, how does it feel, to be without a home, like a
complete unknown, like a rolling stone?" [Bob Dylan]

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:09:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3689 rejected

On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> At 02:46 PM 10/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
> > Happy, Happy, Happy.
> >
> > ((I think...))
> >
> > 69+6*2.
> >
> Nope, not yet.  There have been only 4 proposals which have come through
> since the scores page was updated.  note that:
> 
> 3685 was retracted
> 3684 has already been computed
> 
> Unless *I* have made an error, you're about 4 points shy still.

 I had forgotton that 3685 was retracted.  But 3584 wasn't listed on teh
points log.

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:10:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3689 rejected

>> Happy, Happy, Happy.
>>
>> ((I think...))
>>
>> 69+6*2.
>>
>Nope, not yet.  There have been only 4 proposals which have come through
since the scores page was updated.  note that:
>
>3685 was retracted
>3684 has already been computed
>
>Unless *I* have made an error, you're about 4 points shy still. 

errr, make that 7... you only get 1 point for voting, of course, and only
one of those was foolish... what exactly are you talking about, WC?
- --A Mean Hat.
Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master -- Art Thief -- Warrior Caste -- Crazy
French Scotsman -- Really Weird

- --"how does it feel, how does it feel, to be without a home, like a
complete unknown, like a rolling stone?" [Bob Dylan]

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:13:08 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3689 rejected

On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>
>> At 02:46 PM 10/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> > Happy, Happy, Happy.
>> >
>> > ((I think...))
>> >
>> > 69+6*2.
>> >
>> Nope, not yet.  There have been only 4 proposals which have come through
>> since the scores page was updated.  note that:
>>
>> 3685 was retracted
>> 3684 has already been computed
>> 
>> Unless *I* have made an error, you're about 4 points shy still.
>
> I had forgotton that 3685 was retracted.  But 3584 wasn't listed on teh
>points log.

Also, you only get 1 point per vote, not 2, so it would take 12 props or 
less if some were foolish (double the points for foolish props)

- --JT

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:19:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3689 rejected

On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, JT wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> >On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
> >
> >> At 02:46 PM 10/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >> > Happy, Happy, Happy.
> >> >
> >> > ((I think...))
> >> >
> >> > 69+6*2.
> >> >
> >> Nope, not yet.  There have been only 4 proposals which have come through
> >> since the scores page was updated.  note that:
> >>
> >> 3685 was retracted
> >> 3684 has already been computed
> >> 
> >> Unless *I* have made an error, you're about 4 points shy still.
> >
> > I had forgotton that 3685 was retracted.  But 3584 wasn't listed on teh
> >points log.
> 
> Also, you only get 1 point per vote, not 2, so it would take 12 props or 
> less if some were foolish (double the points for foolish props)

 /me decides that he's done too much maths today,

 /me borrows the D'oh! and utilises it.

 /me would offer the Twits 1A$ but I don't have it.

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Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing Silly Agenda Hats.    \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:23:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3689 rejected

At 03:13 PM 10/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>>On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>
>>> At 02:46 PM 10/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>> > Happy, Happy, Happy.
>>> >
>>> > ((I think...))
>>> >
>>> > 69+6*2.
>>> >
>>> Nope, not yet.  There have been only 4 proposals which have come through
>>> since the scores page was updated.  note that:
>>>
>>> 3685 was retracted
>>> 3684 has already been computed
>>> 
>>> Unless *I* have made an error, you're about 4 points shy still.
>>
>> I had forgotton that 3685 was retracted.  But 3584 wasn't listed on teh
>>points log.
>
>Also, you only get 1 point per vote, not 2, so it would take 12 props or 
>less if some were foolish (double the points for foolish props)
>

3584 may not be, but 3684 is, right above 3683.

- --A Mean Hat.
Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master -- Art Thief -- Warrior Caste -- Crazy
French Scotsman -- Really Weird

- --"how does it feel, how does it feel, to be without a home, like a
complete unknown, like a rolling stone?" [Bob Dylan]

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:11:16 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RBBT

On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>I point my Really Big Blue thing at Leather Artifact, and hit the button
>labelled "energize" 
>
>I give em the anagram "r-attila the farce"

This works (had to double check the dates)

- --JT

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