Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #374
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ackanomic digest       Sunday, October 25 1998       Volume 03 : Number 374

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:02:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: money to JT

I give JT A$500 while i'm temporarily not in debt

- --A Mean Hat.
Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master -- Art Thief -- Warrior Caste -- Crazy
French Scotsman -- Really Weird

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:53:15 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Time to clean out some old trinkets

I destroy the following trinkets for A$, with apologies to the Arts and
Antiquities commission

JT is a slave to his majesty (and the will of the people) (Value: A$1)
Spasibo khorosho 1 (Value: A$30)
sound thwaping, variation 4 (Value: A$1)
sound thwaping, variation 17 (Value: A$1)
21-year old Intern (Value: A$10)
math is hard (Value: A$1)
JT's pile of ackadollar dust (Value: A$12)
cimonakcA fo selur eht (Value: A$30)
Band Aid (Value: A$1)
Advance Copy of ACK issue 9 (Value: A$26)
set of Steak Knives 99833 (Value: A$2)
The Stand-up, Righteous Guy (Value: A$25)
Nice Try #2 (Value: A$12)
The Badge of Great Generosity (Value: A$25)

These are worth a total of A$177.

I create a trinket worth A$2703 named 'JT cleaned out his closet and
found all of this junk' with the description of 'This looks like a pile of
trinkets and cash which JT just threw together at the last minute'.

I go to the museum.
I donate Malenkai's gold coin #27 and #28.
I donate JT cleaned out his closet and found all of this junk.

This should leave me with A$275 and give me a Benefactor Value of A$5001.

I now return home.

I await the Financier acknowledging the transfer of these items to the
West Wing.

- --JT

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[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 05:37:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Discordian Times

>The Ackans Are Revolting
>
>Or rather, they aren’t. Whilst enough votes were tabulated to pass Rambo R
>Minuteman’s Governments Rule Suite proposal, not enough Ackans have revolted
>to
>test the effects of this proposal. A proposal authored by A Mean Hat to
>artificially
>induce this effect by changing the Government type to anarchy failed to
>garner
>enough interest. 

AHEM!!!! It was actually Passive Contemplator IdiotBoy who proposed this
(although I strongly supported it with a bonus vote and a tammany bribe)...
I'd like to point out, that, ironically, had the proposer, IdiotBoy, voted
on it, it would have passed by a wide margin.  Oh well...

- --A Mean Hat.
Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master -- Art Thief -- Warrior Caste -- Crazy
French Scotsman -- Really Weird

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 06:48:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: SYI

On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> 
> 
> Duncan Richer wrote:
> 
> 
> > > Tsk, tsk, tsk. This looks like a blatant case of illegal action here. Owning
> > > too many otzma cards and not destroying any. On this ocaision though I don't
> > > think I'll call a CFCJ :-).
> >
> > What action?  Doing nothing is not an action.
> 
> Wild Card owned more than 6 OCs. You may have done as well I'm not sure. The
> efinition of Otzma Cards rule states something like "no player may own more than
> six otzma cards". One of the early rules says "breaking the rules is the crime of
> illegal action". Wild Card was breaking the rules by owning more than 6 OCs and
> was therefore committing the crime of illegal action.

If this really is the case, then we can haul someone off to gaol
trivially.
I hope that isn't true.
- -- 
Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College
http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 07:30:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: SYI

Duncan Richer wrote:

> > Wild Card owned more than 6 OCs. You may have done as well I'm not sure. The
> > efinition of Otzma Cards rule states something like "no player may own more than
> > six otzma cards". One of the early rules says "breaking the rules is the crime of
> > illegal action". Wild Card was breaking the rules by owning more than 6 OCs and
> > was therefore committing the crime of illegal action.
>
> If this really is the case, then we can haul someone off to gaol
> trivially.
> I hope that isn't true.

I don't think so. Although I realised yesterday (with a bit of prodding from JT and A
Mean Hat) that I may have been confusingillegal action with blatant disregard, I still
believe a crime was comitted. This does not however mean we can haul anyone we want off
to gaol. Certainly, if the Judge believes the crime is worthy of a gaol sentence and
the president refuses an appeal for pardon then we could get someone to gaol, but if
that happens thenn they probably deserve to be there.

Rambo.

- --
Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:34:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Discordian Times

On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> AHEM!!!! It was actually Passive Contemplator IdiotBoy who proposed this
                           ^^^^^^^

> (although I strongly supported it with a bonus vote and a tammany bribe)...
> I'd like to point out, that, ironically, had the proposer, IdiotBoy, voted
> on it, it would have passed by a wide margin.  Oh well...
> 

IB
succinct, too.

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:27:50 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Possible Thread Split

K2 pointed something out to me privately, and it's something /dev/joe, A
Mean Hat and I discussed, and thought we were correct about.

K2 believes that an item from the private collection could not have been
stolen 'by mistake'.   I read it (as did /dev/joe) that an item from the
private collection could not be targeted by an Art Thief card.

However, in order to resolve this, I am redoing the final random
determination (this time without the private collection items), and then
submitting a CFJ to determine which of the two random determinations was
the correct one.

If this second random determination is held to be valid, the effects on
the game state will be that all of the Otzma Cards which had been played
(Wild Cards SYI, Rambo's Fish, my SYI and altras SYI) will have been
played, but will have had no effect I believe.

I will be sending the redone determination momentarily.

and the CFJ right after that.

- --JT

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[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:34:35 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Art Thief Determination (item stolen)

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# Player: A Mean Hat
# A Mean Hat stole something (other than Viva La Diva) by mistake
# A felicitious Populi has been played with a B of 600 (by Studge)
# The D is 197 (197 other possible items in the museum, excluding private).
# B*D/200 = 591 
# Odds are modified by 591 in both numerator and denominator
# Odds of stealing 'Life Size Model of the Ackan Reserve' are 592/788
#   1 -   1 Nethack
#   2 -   2 Flora Amanita
#   3 -   3 A Golden Boomerang Statue
#   4 -   4 Map of Jara
#   5 -   5 Military Laser 9
#   6 -   6 Practice Voodoo Economics
#   7 -   7 Phish
#   8 -  17 10 Malenkai's Gold Coins
#  18 -  18 The Golden Frog
#  19 -  19 Curious Clock of Uesticlox
#  20 -  20 Square Peg and Round Hole
#  21 -  21 Puzzle Box
#  22 -  22 Lake Vostok
#  23 -  23 Dragon by Moonlight
#  24 - 123 100 Quite Garish Ties (1-100 in order)
# 124 - 124 Crows! Crows! Crows!
# 125 - 135 11 Lukes (#6-16 in order)
# 136 - 139 4 Mr. Spocks (#1, #3-5 in order)
# 140 - 140 Little Bag O' Chips Z
# 141 - 141 Nonentity 137
# 142 - 142 Big-Nosed Kilroy
# 143 - 143 Orb of Aldur
# 144 - 144 The Sceptre of banna #3
# 145 - 145 off-chartreuse mask
# 146 - 146 Gingham Shovel
# 147 - 147 Jello Wrestling for Fun and Profit
# 148 - 148 The Bat'leth of Honour
# 149 - 169 21 Small off-duty Czechoslovakian traffic Warden (4-5, 7-9, 11-12, 14-21, 24-25, 27, 29, 31-32 (in order))
# 170 - 170 Replica Football shirt
# 171 - 171 Better than a Stilton
# 172 - 172 just how dumb people can be
# 173 - 173 Cheque for A$2
# 174 - 174 Cheque for A$3
# 175 - 175 Cheque for A$4
# 176 - 176 Cheque for A$5
# 177 - 177 Cheque for A$6
# 178 - 178 Cheque for A$7
# 179 - 179 Cheque for A$8
# 180 - 180 Cheque for A$9
# 181 - 181 Cheque for A$10
# 182 - 182 Ez-Cheese
# 183 - 183 The Laundry Clean Disk(tm)
# 184 - 184 Small off-duty Czechoslovakian traffic Warden 3
# 185 - 185 set of Steak Knives 99877
# 186 - 186 A Nickel
# 187 - 187 Onyx Lion
# 188 - 188 Inky Bloater Decoy 5
# 189 - 189 Little Wooden Ship #9
# 190 - 190 Beldin's Parka
# 191 - 191 Inky Bloater Decoy 137
# 192 - 192 The Ackanomic Museum of Antiquities
# 193 - 193 Guy Fawkes' Soap Box
# 194 - 194 Malenkai's Amber Banana Tree
# 195 - 195 The Folly of Fooling with Slakko
# 196 - 196 Feather Bed
# 197 - 788 Life Size Model of the Ackan Reserve

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> From: JT <[email-masked]>
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> Subject: Acka: Dice
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> 
> #P [email-masked]
> #S 788
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> #T Acka: Art Thief Determination (item stolen)
> 
> #C Player: A Mean Hat
> #C A Mean Hat stole something (other than Viva La Diva) by mistake
> #C A felicitious Populi has been played with a B of 600 (by Studge)
> #C The D is 197 (197 other possible items in the museum, excluding private).
> #C B*D/200 = 591 
> #C Odds are modified by 591 in both numerator and denominator
> #C Odds of stealing 'Life Size Model of the Ackan Reserve' are 592/788
> 
> #C   1 -   1 Nethack
> #C   2 -   2 Flora Amanita
> #C   3 -   3 A Golden Boomerang Statue
> #C   4 -   4 Map of Jara
> #C   5 -   5 Military Laser 9
> #C   6 -   6 Practice Voodoo Economics
> #C   7 -   7 Phish
> #C   8 -  17 10 Malenkai's Gold Coins
> #C  18 -  18 The Golden Frog
> #C  19 -  19 Curious Clock of Uesticlox
> #C  20 -  20 Square Peg and Round Hole
> #C  21 -  21 Puzzle Box
> #C  22 -  22 Lake Vostok
> #C  23 -  23 Dragon by Moonlight
> #C  24 - 123 100 Quite Garish Ties (1-100 in order)
> #C 124 - 124 Crows! Crows! Crows!
> #C 125 - 135 11 Lukes (#6-16 in order)
> #C 136 - 139 4 Mr. Spocks (#1, #3-5 in order)
> #C 140 - 140 Little Bag O' Chips Z
> #C 141 - 141 Nonentity 137
> #C 142 - 142 Big-Nosed Kilroy
> #C 143 - 143 Orb of Aldur
> #C 144 - 144 The Sceptre of banna #3
> #C 145 - 145 off-chartreuse mask
> #C 146 - 146 Gingham Shovel
> #C 147 - 147 Jello Wrestling for Fun and Profit
> #C 148 - 148 The Bat'leth of Honour
> #C 149 - 169 21 Small off-duty Czechoslovakian traffic Warden (4-5, 7-9, 11-12, 14-21, 24-25, 27, 29, 31-32 (in order))
> #C 170 - 170 Replica Football shirt
> #C 171 - 171 Better than a Stilton
> #C 172 - 172 just how dumb people can be
> #C 173 - 173 Cheque for A$2
> #C 174 - 174 Cheque for A$3
> #C 175 - 175 Cheque for A$4
> #C 176 - 176 Cheque for A$5
> #C 177 - 177 Cheque for A$6
> #C 178 - 178 Cheque for A$7
> #C 179 - 179 Cheque for A$8
> #C 180 - 180 Cheque for A$9
> #C 181 - 181 Cheque for A$10
> #C 182 - 182 Ez-Cheese
> #C 183 - 183 The Laundry Clean Disk(tm)
> #C 184 - 184 Small off-duty Czechoslovakian traffic Warden 3
> #C 185 - 185 set of Steak Knives 99877
> #C 186 - 186 A Nickel
> #C 187 - 187 Onyx Lion
> #C 188 - 188 Inky Bloater Decoy 5
> #C 189 - 189 Little Wooden Ship #9
> #C 190 - 190 Beldin's Parka
> #C 191 - 191 Inky Bloater Decoy 137
> #C 192 - 192 The Ackanomic Museum of Antiquities
> #C 193 - 193 Guy Fawkes' Soap Box
> #C 194 - 194 Malenkai's Amber Banana Tree
> #C 195 - 195 The Folly of Fooling with Slakko
> #C 196 - 196 Feather Bed
> #C 197 - 788 Life Size Model of the Ackan Reserve
> 
> 
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:42:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Art Thief Determination (item stolen)

Whatever... I know I'll just dissipate it anyways... so there's really not
much difference to me in getting or not getting it...

># Player: A Mean Hat
># Odds are modified by 591 in both numerator and denominator
># Odds of stealing 'Life Size Model of the Ackan Reserve' are 592/788
># 197 - 788 Life Size Model of the Ackan Reserve
>
>No. of sides on every die:    788
>No. of dice for every roll:     1
>No. of dice rolls requested:    1
>No. of rolls per line:          1
>
>    541
>
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>> From: JT <[email-masked]>
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>> 
>> #P [email-masked]
>> #S 788
>> #D 1
>> #R 1
>> #L 1
>> #T Acka: Art Thief Determination (item stolen)
>> 
>> #C Player: A Mean Hat
>> #C A Mean Hat stole something (other than Viva La Diva) by mistake
>> #C A felicitious Populi has been played with a B of 600 (by Studge)
>> #C The D is 197 (197 other possible items in the museum, excluding
private).
>> #C B*D/200 = 591 
>> #C Odds are modified by 591 in both numerator and denominator
>> #C Odds of stealing 'Life Size Model of the Ackan Reserve' are 592/788
>> 
>> #C   1 -   1 Nethack
>> #C   2 -   2 Flora Amanita
>> #C   3 -   3 A Golden Boomerang Statue
>> #C   4 -   4 Map of Jara
>> #C   5 -   5 Military Laser 9
>> #C   6 -   6 Practice Voodoo Economics
>> #C   7 -   7 Phish
>> #C   8 -  17 10 Malenkai's Gold Coins
>> #C  18 -  18 The Golden Frog
>> #C  19 -  19 Curious Clock of Uesticlox
>> #C  20 -  20 Square Peg and Round Hole
>> #C  21 -  21 Puzzle Box
>> #C  22 -  22 Lake Vostok
>> #C  23 -  23 Dragon by Moonlight
>> #C  24 - 123 100 Quite Garish Ties (1-100 in order)
>> #C 124 - 124 Crows! Crows! Crows!
>> #C 125 - 135 11 Lukes (#6-16 in order)
>> #C 136 - 139 4 Mr. Spocks (#1, #3-5 in order)
>> #C 140 - 140 Little Bag O' Chips Z
>> #C 141 - 141 Nonentity 137
>> #C 142 - 142 Big-Nosed Kilroy
>> #C 143 - 143 Orb of Aldur
>> #C 144 - 144 The Sceptre of banna #3
>> #C 145 - 145 off-chartreuse mask
>> #C 146 - 146 Gingham Shovel
>> #C 147 - 147 Jello Wrestling for Fun and Profit
>> #C 148 - 148 The Bat'leth of Honour
>> #C 149 - 169 21 Small off-duty Czechoslovakian traffic Warden (4-5, 7-9,
11-12, 14-21, 24-25, 27, 29, 31-32 (in order))
>> #C 170 - 170 Replica Football shirt
>> #C 171 - 171 Better than a Stilton
>> #C 172 - 172 just how dumb people can be
>> #C 173 - 173 Cheque for A$2
>> #C 174 - 174 Cheque for A$3
>> #C 175 - 175 Cheque for A$4
>> #C 176 - 176 Cheque for A$5
>> #C 177 - 177 Cheque for A$6
>> #C 178 - 178 Cheque for A$7
>> #C 179 - 179 Cheque for A$8
>> #C 180 - 180 Cheque for A$9
>> #C 181 - 181 Cheque for A$10
>> #C 182 - 182 Ez-Cheese
>> #C 183 - 183 The Laundry Clean Disk(tm)
>> #C 184 - 184 Small off-duty Czechoslovakian traffic Warden 3
>> #C 185 - 185 set of Steak Knives 99877
>> #C 186 - 186 A Nickel
>> #C 187 - 187 Onyx Lion
>> #C 188 - 188 Inky Bloater Decoy 5
>> #C 189 - 189 Little Wooden Ship #9
>> #C 190 - 190 Beldin's Parka
>> #C 191 - 191 Inky Bloater Decoy 137
>> #C 192 - 192 The Ackanomic Museum of Antiquities
>> #C 193 - 193 Guy Fawkes' Soap Box
>> #C 194 - 194 Malenkai's Amber Banana Tree
>> #C 195 - 195 The Folly of Fooling with Slakko
>> #C 196 - 196 Feather Bed
>> #C 197 - 788 Life Size Model of the Ackan Reserve
>> 
>> 
>> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
>> [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
>> [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
>> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
>> 
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- --A Mean Hat.
Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master -- Art Thief -- Warrior Caste -- Crazy
French Scotsman -- Really Weird

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:27:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: some stuff

In the thread where the second determination was the valid one, and not the
first, I do the following:

I turn this new trinket into A$5001.  

I go to the library, where I play, "Money" (the Beatles version) on the ASS

I create a trinket called "A Mean Hat.'s SYI debt" with description "It
doesn't exist yet in this thread"  worth A$5001

I go to the wilds

- --A Mean Hat.
Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master -- Art Thief -- Warrior Caste -- Crazy
French Scotsman -- Really Weird

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:53:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Org

Studge wrote:
> Leather wrote:
> >>Now that this org is actually formed, I suggest that it adopt a 
> >communist
> >>single player entrance policy and approve this.
> >>
> >>--JT
> >
> >I also approve this as founder this happens (I think)
> 
> Yo.  I did it when the org didn't really exsit and I'll do again.

I approve, it happens.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:58:21 -0500 (EST)
From: "Head Apollo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: The Discordian Times replies (and trinket)

>AHEM!!!! It was actually Passive Contemplator IdiotBoy who proposed this
>(although I strongly supported it with a bonus vote and a tammany bribe)...
>I'd like to point out, that, ironically, had the proposer, IdiotBoy, voted
>on it, it would have passed by a wide margin.  Oh well...

The Discordian Times officially ignores this message as it wasn't in fact a
call for a retraction and what is more we don't care for accuracy.  I
thought I might be wrong about this actually when I wrote it but was too
busy (read lazy) to check.  I apologise to IdiotBoy however, thusly:

I create a trinket called "Discordianismness" worth A$5 with the following
double quote delimited description:

"
I called for anarchy to subsume the society of Ackanomia and all I got was
miscredited as A Mean Hat and of course this shiny trinket.
"

and I give/gift/whatever I have to do to IdiotBoy in recompense for my
misdoings. I would really like to see this proposal resubmitted, as I'm sure
(reasonably) that it would pass this time, if people would vote.

risE

(Editor of The Discordian Times - ignoring your complaints for the greater
good.)

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:58:23 -0500 (EST)
From: "Head Apollo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: trinket

For no particular reason obvious to the naked eye I create a trinket worth
A$5 named "Pact With Satan" with the following double quote delimited
description:

"
I did something for risE behind everyone's back and all I got was one fifth
of the standard harfer fee, in fact, I've a good mind to just destroy this
trinket for cash to spite its creator.
"

I give the Pact With Satan to K 2.

risE

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:00:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Possible Thread Split

On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, JT wrote:

> If this second random determination is held to be valid, the effects on
> the game state will be that all of the Otzma Cards which had been played
> (Wild Cards SYI, Rambo's Fish, my SYI and altras SYI) will have been
> played, but will have had no effect I believe.

 Erm.  No.  Either they havent been played, or (given that the result was
the same) they had the effect as claimed.  Note that in the first case the
Church of the EBS still has the 4 OC it gave me.

 In the hope that the first is true I play my Otzma Card Share Your Income
on A Mean Hat naming the sum A$2500.  I then urge Slakko to shield me.

 In the thread where JT is correct this cannot happen.

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing a Silly Agenda Hat.   \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:03:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Discordian Times replies (and trinket)

On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Head Apollo wrote:

> and I give/gift/whatever I have to do to IdiotBoy in recompense for my
> misdoings. I would really like to see this proposal resubmitted, as I'm sure
> (reasonably) that it would pass this time, if people would vote.

Woo-hoo!

IB

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:05:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Possible Thread Split

On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

>  In the hope that the first is true I play my Otzma Card Share Your Income
> on A Mean Hat naming the sum A$2500.  I then urge Slakko to shield me.
> 

Just for kicks I play my ewly acquired Go Fish on this.

IB

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:14:29 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Oops

#end

I give A$1 to the twits for leaving the bot off-line while I was out of town
for a day and a half after setting it off-line Saturday morning to fix some
minor bug I'd noticed.

Prepare for another deluge of results; I just turned the bot fully on
and at least 10 props are due... I added a 2 second delay between props
to help them be delivered in order.  The proposals are always processed
in order, but they are processed so quickly that the mail can get delivered
out of order.  This way, at least the times the mail was originally sent
out will be different, so anybody can see that I am processing them in
order.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:17:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Possible Thread Split

On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Matt Miller wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> 
> >  In the hope that the first is true I play my Otzma Card Share Your Income
> > on A Mean Hat naming the sum A$2500.  I then urge Slakko to shield me.
> > 
> 
> Just for kicks I play my ewly acquired Go Fish on this.
> 
 In this thread you don't have a Go Fish, and JT either has 6 OC or 7
including two Go Fish.
> 

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing a Silly Agenda Hat.   \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:24:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Possible Thread Split

Jonathan David Amery wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Matt Miller wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> >
> > >  In the hope that the first is true I play my Otzma Card Share Your Income
> > > on A Mean Hat naming the sum A$2500.  I then urge Slakko to shield me.
> > >
> >
> > Just for kicks I play my ewly acquired Go Fish on this.
> >
>  In this thread you don't have a Go Fish, and JT either has 6 OC or 7
> including two Go Fish.

In the highly unlikely thread where Wild Card played a share your income card on A
Mean Hat earlier today, and it has not yet been countered, and I am able to do so,
I play my go fish otzma card on the SYI card Wild Card played earlier tiday.

Rambo.

- --
Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:38:01 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Possible Thread Split

On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, JT wrote:
>
>> If this second random determination is held to be valid, the effects on
>> the game state will be that all of the Otzma Cards which had been played
>> (Wild Cards SYI, Rambo's Fish, my SYI and altras SYI) will have been
>> played, but will have had no effect I believe.
>
> Erm.  No.  Either they havent been played, or (given that the result was
>the same) they had the effect as claimed.  Note that in the first case the
>Church of the EBS still has the 4 OC it gave me.

Errmm no.  It has been discussed in the past (and in fact upheld) that
playing an otzma card doesn't matter if the information given to play it
was valid or not.

You attempted to play your OC on a possible non-event.  Your OC was still
burned.   However, I believe that the first determination was valid (see
my CFJ when it's distributed by Slakko).

> In the hope that the first is true I play my Otzma Card Share Your Income
>on A Mean Hat naming the sum A$2500.  I then urge Slakko to shield me.

You cannot do this as it's been less than three days since you played an
OC.

- --JT

[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:39:14 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Possible Thread Split

On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Matt Miller wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>
>>  In the hope that the first is true I play my Otzma Card Share Your Income
>> on A Mean Hat naming the sum A$2500.  I then urge Slakko to shield me.
>> 
>
>Just for kicks I play my ewly acquired Go Fish on this.

See my previous message.   This is not a valid target, but I believe you
just wasted the Go Fish.

- --JT

[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:43:43 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Offer (RRM)

I offer Rambo A$ 25 in exchange for a private aceptance of a private
offer :)

K 2
EiTUT

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:43:49 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Time to clean out some old trinkets

I play my Arctic Explorer otzma and name poor old mr cwm.

K 2

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:47:48 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Possible Thread Split

On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Matt Miller wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>> 
>> >  In the hope that the first is true I play my Otzma Card Share Your Income
>> > on A Mean Hat naming the sum A$2500.  I then urge Slakko to shield me.
>> > 
>> 
>> Just for kicks I play my ewly acquired Go Fish on this.
>> 
> In this thread you don't have a Go Fish, and JT either has 6 OC or 7
>including two Go Fish.

Err No.. The gift of the OC was *NOT* thread dependant.
Wild Card, I think you're very confused for the moment.

- --JT

[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:49:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Signing

I sign on the dotted line.

RRM.

- --
Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:06:19 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Arctic Explorer Determination

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# K 2 went ice digging for something from mr cwm.
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#  1 -  3  Bonus Vote
#  4 -  4  Prosthetic Forehead (worn)
#  5 - 12  Other Prosthetic Forehead (in order)
# 13 - 13  Little Wooden Ship #8
# 14 - 14  IWW
# 15 - 15  The Haddocks' Eyes Locket
# 16 - 16  Chalice from the Palace

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Original message follows:
> From [email-masked]  Sun Oct 25 16:06:08 1998
> Received: (from smtp@localhost) by xkey.com
>       id QAA21430 for <[email-masked]>; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:06:08 -0800
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> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:06:11 -0800 (PST)
> From: JT <[email-masked]>
> To: Dice Server <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka: Ice Pick
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> 
> #P [email-masked]
> #S 16
> #D 1
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> #T Acka: Arctic Explorer Determination
> 
> #C Player: K 2
> #C K 2 went ice digging for something from mr cwm.
> #C Here's what he gets
> #C
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> #C  4 -  4  Prosthetic Forehead (worn)
> #C  5 - 12  Other Prosthetic Forehead (in order)
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> #C 14 - 14  IWW
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> #C 16 - 16  Chalice from the Palace
> 
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:06:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Org

I announce my intent to start an organisation known as "Sapphire
Dressing Gowns".

- --
Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:06:38 -0500 (EST)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Signing

I retract all outstanding offers and give RRM A$25.

K 2

Tom Walmsley wrote:

> I sign on the dotted line.
>
> RRM.
>
> --
> Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
> http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
> AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
> Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:13:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Org

I express my desire to join

At 07:06 PM 10/25/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I announce my intent to start an organisation known as "Sapphire
>Dressing Gowns".
>
>--
>Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
>http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
>AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
>Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.
> 
- --A Mean Hat.
Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master -- Art Thief -- Warrior Caste -- Crazy
French Scotsman -- Really Weird

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:21:20 -0500 (EST)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Org

On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
>I announce my intent to start an organisation known as "Sapphire
>Dressing Gowns".

I express my desire to join this fabulously fashionable society.

- --JT

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[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:24:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Org

JT wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
> >I announce my intent to start an organisation known as "Sapphire
> >Dressing Gowns".
>
> I express my desire to join this fabulously fashionable society.

The society known as "Sapphire Dressing Gowns" is thus formed with myself, JT
and A Mean Hat as members. I believe Ihave to pay the standard harfer fee.

Rambo.

- --
Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:27:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Possible Thread Split

On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, JT wrote:

> Errmm no.  It has been discussed in the past (and in fact upheld) that
> playing an otzma card doesn't matter if the information given to play it
> was valid or not.
> 
> You attempted to play your OC on a possible non-event.  Your OC was still
> burned.   However, I believe that the first determination was valid (see
> my CFJ when it's distributed by Slakko).

 Ah, but the play was predicated (if implicitly) on the success of the
original action.
 
> > In the hope that the first is true I play my Otzma Card Share Your Income
> >on A Mean Hat naming the sum A$2500.  I then urge Slakko to shield me.
> 
> You cannot do this as it's been less than three days since you played an
> OC.
 
 Not following the logic I was using it wouldn't be.  And if not then I
don't have a SYI.

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing a Silly Agenda Hat.   \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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