Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #368
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ackanomic digest      Wednesday, October 21 1998      Volume 03 : Number 368

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:24:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: *ulp*

Sensing impending vanquishment in this duel with K2 (since I don't see any
errors in the game), I offer Leather Artifact A$110 and my Highlander's
Sword for his OC ACME InstaGadget.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:28:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: Puppet Head

 Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.
  
Robin Hood

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:31:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bryan Federico" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: *ulp*

>Sensing impending vanquishment in this duel with K2 (since I don't see 
any
>errors in the game), I offer Leather Artifact A$110 and my Highlander's
>Sword for his OC ACME InstaGadget.
>
>--JT
I accept 

Leather Artifact (saving JT's ass, or maybe its his head:))
(:|Worker|General Contractor|Daring Adventurer|:)

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:41:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bryan Federico" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Otzma Card use

I use my Otzma Card ROulette Wheel and name the Otzma Card Truthseeker

Leather Artifact
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:52:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Roulette Wheel Probablistic Otzma Card determination

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Dice rolls requested by: JT <[email-masked]>
Rolls also sent to:
    [email-masked]

# Player: Leather Artifact
# This is determing what the Truthseeker OC that Leather Artifact used
# the Roulette Wheel on turns into.
# The determination is made according to the following table.
#  1-3     Go Fish              (normal)        (at max instance)
#  4-6     Map Shard            (normal)
#  7-7     Summon Tornado       (rare)          (at max instance)
#  8-10   Share My Expenses     (normal)
# 11-13   Share Your Income     (normal)
# 14-16   Swinging Sale (normal)        (at max instance)
# 17-19   Tactical Retreat      (normal)        
# 20-22   Paratroop             (normal)
# 23-25   Foul Fowl             (normal)        (at max instance)
# 26-28   Truthseeker           (normal)
# 29-31   Fix My Gadget (normal)        (at max instance)
# 32-34   Art Thief             (normal)
# 35-37   Skeleton Key          (normal)        (at max instance)
# 38-40   Artic Explorer        (normal)
# 41-43   Lay Off!              (normal)
# 44-44   Founder's Boon        (rare)
# 45-47   Roulette Wheel        (normal)
# 48-50   Training Regime       (normal)
# 51-53   Shield                (normal)
# 54-56   ACME InstaGadget      (normal)
# 57-59   Felicitous Populi     (normal)
# 60-60   Enslavement          (rare)

No. of sides on every die:     60
No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:    1
No. of rolls per line:          1

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Original message follows:
> From [email-masked]  Tue Oct 20 23:52:25 1998
> Received: (from smtp@localhost) by xkey.com
>       id XAA02147 for <[email-masked]>; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:52:25 -0700
> Received: from herne.dragoncat.net(207.54.31.1) by xkey.com via smtp (V1.3)
>       id sma002131; Tue Oct 20 23:52:16 1998
> Received: from localhost (jtraub@localhost)
>       by dragoncat.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA02574
>       for <[email-masked]>; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:52:32 -0700
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:52:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: JT <[email-masked]>
> To: Dice Server <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka: Roulette Wheel
> Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> #P [email-masked]
> #T Acka: Roulette Wheel Probablistic Otzma Card determination
> #S 60 
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> 
> #C Player: Leather Artifact
> #C This is determing what the Truthseeker OC that Leather Artifact used
> #C the Roulette Wheel on turns into.
> #C
> #C The determination is made according to the following table.
> #C
> #C  1-3          Go Fish              (normal)        (at max instance)
> #C  4-6          Map Shard            (normal)
> #C  7-7          Summon Tornado       (rare)          (at max instance)
> #C  8-10   Share My Expenses  (normal)
> #C 11-13   Share Your Income  (normal)
> #C 14-16   Swinging Sale      (normal)        (at max instance)
> #C 17-19   Tactical Retreat   (normal)        
> #C 20-22   Paratroop          (normal)
> #C 23-25   Foul Fowl          (normal)        (at max instance)
> #C 26-28   Truthseeker                (normal)
> #C 29-31   Fix My Gadget      (normal)        (at max instance)
> #C 32-34   Art Thief          (normal)
> #C 35-37   Skeleton Key               (normal)        (at max instance)
> #C 38-40   Artic Explorer     (normal)
> #C 41-43   Lay Off!           (normal)
> #C 44-44   Founder's Boon     (rare)
> #C 45-47   Roulette Wheel     (normal)
> #C 48-50   Training Regime    (normal)
> #C 51-53   Shield             (normal)
> #C 54-56   ACME InstaGadget   (normal)
> #C 57-59   Felicitous Populi  (normal)
> #C 60-60   Enslavement          (rare)
> 
> 
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:55:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3685

#retract 3676
#retract 3685
#end

On Wed, 21 Oct 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 [email-masked] wrote:
>
>> Proposal 3685
>> The end of Swingpoints
>> JT
>> Due: Tue Oct 27 23:07:39 1998
>> 
>> This is a Modest proposal.
>> 
>> {{
>> If Proposal 3676 is accepted then the following effects occur in
>> order:
>> JT loses 5 points.
>> Slakko gains 2 points.
>> Every player gains points equal to 1/2 (rounded down) the number of
>> Swingpoints that player owns.
>> All Swingpoints are destroyed.
>> }}
>> {{[
>> I believe that this will be a null proposal if 3676 is rejected and
>> this is accepted (as should be).   If this is accepted and 3676 is also
>> accepted then I forfeit the points for making this fix and give Slakko 2
>> for having noticed my error.
>> ]}}
>
>Unfortunately, this "fix" opens a big, BIG scam door.  The entityhood of
>existing Swingpoints is maintained even though 3676 repeals the
>definition, because entityhood can only be removed explicitly.  However,
>new non-entity Swingpoints can be created if 3676 passes, being converted
>into points should 3685 pass.  This change really needs to be incorporated
>into the original proposal, I'm afraid.
>
>(I would have told you earlier but I was asleep).

Ahhh heck.. you're right.. Damn damn damn.  (you shoulda just exploited it
Slakko :)

I retract P3676 and P3685 and will resubmit them combined.

I donate A$5 to the twits and give A$5 to Slakko.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 04:22:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Swingpoints for Fortnight ending 11th November

Sorry about the extreme delay in these.

Also, I have lost any details about FP Awards I might have kept.  Any
corrections greatly appreciated.

9: Niccolo
8: JT
7: Slakko
6: /dev/joe
5: Studge
4: Rambo R Minuteman
3: Robin Hood
3: Alfvaen

plus 1 each to all non-JT members of the Razor Boomerangs, for Party
Swinger Support.

- -- 
Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College
http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 04:23:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 677 (risE)

risE has been selected.

Call for Judgement 677 - October 21, 1998
Subject: Manipulation of Non-Entities
Initiator: Slakko
Judge: risE
Judgement:

Statement:

An offer to trade entities which is conditional only on the manipulation
of non-entities will not occur legally, unless the section of Rule 701
commonly known as the "pragmatism clause" is applied.

Initiator's Reasoning:

Manipulation of non-entities is acceptable, as long as it does not affect
the game state.  In the above instance, however, the manipulation does
affec the game state, by causing an offered trade of entities to occur,
and hence changing who owns which entities.  As a result, any such
attempted non-entity manipulation will fail (as the rules prevent it from
forcing the game state change).  Hence, if Rule 701 is not invoked, the
trade which relies on the non-entity manipulation will not have occurred
legally.

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:08:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: A present for someone

I give one of the OC Art Thief cards I own to A Mean Hat.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:35:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: A Small test

At least one player who is subscribed to the voting digest reported to me
that they weren't recieving digest mails.  Yesterday evening I subscribed
myself to the digest to see.  I have yet to see any mail from
acka-voting-digest show up here in my mailbox.  I'm sending this message
because sometimes majordomo doesn't send out digests until the next email
after the end of the digest period has been reached, so I want to try and
tickle it.  If this doesn't work, I will try and contact the folks at
Speakeasy cafe and see if one of them can fix the digest version of that
mailing list.  If that fails, I will recommend that all players join the
standard acka-voting list for the time being.

I'm still hoping that breadbox will return before November 1st.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:45:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: More Bot Stuff

New features have been added to ackabot:

#tammany command
  To submit tammany bribes to the bot, send it a line like:
  #tammany PROP BRIBE VOTE
  where PROP is the number of the proposal you wish to bribe Tammany on,
  BRIBE is the amount of the bribe in A$ (without the A$ symbol), and
  VOTE is YES, NO, SILENT, or their y, n, s abbreviations.

#bonusvote command
  To cast Bonus Votes using the bot, send it a line like:
  #bonusvote PROP VOTE
  where PROP is the number of the proposal you wish to cast a bonus vote on,
  and VOTE is the type of vote you wish to use your bonus vote on.
  There is complicated code which attempts to represent the complicated
  rules concerning bonus votes, but it is possible this does not all work,
  so if you see anything wrong, let me know.

The bot now also handles Party Unity votes, but no additional commands
are associated with these.

Those of you who sent Tammany Bribes or Bonus Vote castings to me directly
may wish to re-cast these through the bot.  If you do so, tell me; if you
don't, I will add them manually only after the voting periods expire, since
the rules prohibit me from intentionally looking at them before that, and
this may mean they don't get done before the voting results are posted.

The bot assumes all Tammany Bribes are valid, and I will depend on the
financier to tell me otherwise (except on close votes I may go check on
my own), but I will try to have the bot keep track of bonus votes itself,
since these change hands and are created/destroyed much less often than
A$.  I used the following data from K2's pages as the initial distribution
of bonus votes, ignoring those not owned by players:

     404 Not Found has 1 
     A Mean Hat. has 2 
     Alfvaen has 1 
     Altra the FireCat has 1 
     Aunt Froot has 1 
     breadbox has 1 
     Calvin N Hobbes has 1 
     /dev/joe has 2 
     Fortunato has 1 
     IdiotBoy has 1 
     JT has 5 
     K 2 has 2 
     Niccolo Flychuck has 1 
     Rambo R Minuteman has 5 
     Rex Mundi has 1 
     risE has 1 
     Robert Sevin has 1 
     Robin Hood has 1 
     saaremaa has 2 
     Slakko has 2 
     Studge has 1 
     ThinMan has 3 
     two-star has 3 
     Vynd has 5 
     Wild Card has 2 
     Treasure 194 has 1 
     Treasure 204 has 1 
     Treasure 244 has 1 
     Treasury has 3 
     The Church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer has 2 
     Balsamic Dragon has 2 
     Chaos has 4 
     Guy Fawkes has 4 
     mr cwm has 3 
     Mr. Lunatic Fringe has 1 

/dev/joe

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:41:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Phoebe (risE)

two-star failed to post Phoebe's wisdom.
risE has found Phoebe's matchbox.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:53:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: End of newbiehood (AJ)

AJ today (regardless of being on vacation) has ceased to be a newbie.

He has joined the Warrior Caste.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:06:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: General goings on

I leave my home (where'd I'd gone in a failed attempt to avoid snowgod's
disease) for the library.

While wandering through the streets I'm accosted by a non-entity hobo.
Luckily I have some trusty swingpoints, which I use (in a manner similar to
a blowfish's puffing tactic) to inflate my apparent importance.

I convert four swingpoints into a bonus vote.  That scared the hobo away.
"And don't come back!"

I reach the library and go to *that* room.

Then I got to the AIGR.

Studge

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:44:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Ackanomicon Determination

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Dice rolls requested by: JT <[email-masked]>
Rolls also sent to:
    [email-masked]

# Player: Studge
# Ackanomicon Determination
# based on the following (using a 49 sided die)
#  1 - 15 Arcane Trivia
# 16 - 20 Vile Prophecies
# 21 - 25 Inner Workings
# 26 - 30 Arcane Lore
# 31 - 33 Terrorizing Pages
# 34 - 34 Ancient Artifact
# 35 - 36 Mutation
# 37 - 38 Dark Domain
# 39 - 40 Long Lost Treasure
# 41 - 41 Forbidden Fruit
# 42 - 42 Catastrophe
# 43 - 46 Not so Forbidden Fruit
# 47 - 47 Ancient One
# 48 - 49 Judgement Day

No. of sides on every die:     49
No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:    1
No. of rolls per line:          1

     49

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Original message follows:
> From [email-masked]  Wed Oct 21 20:44:09 1998
> Received: (from smtp@localhost) by xkey.com
>       id UAA03114 for <[email-masked]>; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:44:09 -0700
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>       for <[email-masked]>; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:44:09 -0700
> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:44:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: JT <[email-masked]>
> To: Dice Server <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka: Nomicon
> Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> #P [email-masked]
> #S 49
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> #T Acka: Ackanomicon Determination
> 
> #C Player: Studge
> #C Ackanomicon Determination
> #C based on the following (using a 49 sided die)
> #C
> #C  1 - 15 Arcane Trivia
> #C 16 - 20 Vile Prophecies
> #C 21 - 25 Inner Workings
> #C 26 - 30 Arcane Lore
> #C 31 - 33 Terrorizing Pages
> #C 34 - 34 Ancient Artifact
> #C 35 - 36 Mutation
> #C 37 - 38 Dark Domain
> #C 39 - 40 Long Lost Treasure
> #C 41 - 41 Forbidden Fruit
> #C 42 - 42 Catastrophe
> #C 43 - 46 Not so Forbidden Fruit
> #C 47 - 47 Ancient One
> #C 48 - 49 Judgement Day
> 
> 
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> [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
> [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:57:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Bot info retrieval commands

I have added some more commands to ackabot to retrieve information it has
stored.

#help
  This will send you a bot help file, a summary of all these messages I
  have been sending over the last several days about bot commands.

#current
  This will list the current proposals, and your votes on them.

#send NNNN
  This will send you the text of proposal NNNN.  You may request multiple
  proposals in a single command by separating the proposal numbers with
  spaces.

Other bot commands:
#submit proposal
#end proposal
#end
#silent
#retract
#bonusvote
#tammany
backslash (\) at end of line for continuation.

/dev/joe
Promoter
Tabulator

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