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ackanomic digest       Monday, October 19 1998       Volume 03 : Number 365

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:33:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Raft (Calvin N Hobbes)

>Calvin N Hobbes has found the Great Raft.

I purr recklessly.

CnH

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:37:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Raft (Calvin N Hobbes)

Since there are enough people who want to go rafting, including the holder
of the Oars, I'll agree to it. But we are all going to die... Or worse...

CnH

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:58:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka Paella

On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Matt Miller wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Alexandre Muniz wrote:
> 
> > If an entity called frankfurter exists I eat it on the steps of the Town
> > Hall. Otherwise I eat a non entity called frankfurter on the steps of
> > the Town Hall.
> > 
> 
> Congratulations to two-star winner of the first ever game of Paella...
> 
> He also finds my most recenlt burried treasure.
> 
> The actual map for the treasure was:
> 
> The Treasure will be found by the winner of the first game of Paella.

Interestingly, while it would appear the Treasure has been found, I don't
know if it was actually possible to eat the frankfurter.  Eating the
frankfurter would be unregulated manipulation of a non-entity (as no
frankfurter entity exists).  However, as the eating would win you the game
of Paella and hence the Treasure, it would appear to have an effect on the
game state, and hence the eating could not have occurred.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College
http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:03:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Web Pages.

On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, JT wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> >On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, JT wrote:
> >> Well I'd claim that lynx doesn't do framesets very well either :)  but
> >> your point is taken.   Question for you though, does ArcWeb have any
> >> problems with my trinkets pages?  I use tables, but they display
> >> reasonably under lynx as well as netscape and IE.
> >
> > It seems to work - it's Slakko's that are the worse, since they have each
> >entry on a seperate line...
> 
> Interestingly enough, Lynx has the same problem with slakko's site on some
> of the tables.  I haven't looked at the HTML, but I'd be willing to bet
> there was a small but signifigant error for those pages that IE/Netscape
> handles correctly but Lynx handles differently.
> 
> Slakko, a good example of a page which acts this way under lynx is
> http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/Nomic/Acka/players/archive.html
> 
> Hope this helps in tracking down whatever the problem is :)

I bet it is because I have <br> bits in those tables.  However, if I try
to do that page without tables, it is going to look like a horrible mess.

- -- 
Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College
http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:06:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka Paella

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Matt Miller wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Alexandre Muniz wrote:
>> > If an entity called frankfurter exists I eat it on the steps of the Town
>> > Hall. Otherwise I eat a non entity called frankfurter on the steps of
>> > the Town Hall.
>> > 
>> 
>> Congratulations to two-star winner of the first ever game of Paella...
>> 
>> He also finds my most recenlt burried treasure.
>> 
>> The actual map for the treasure was:
>> 
>> The Treasure will be found by the winner of the first game of Paella.
>
>Interestingly, while it would appear the Treasure has been found, I don't
>know if it was actually possible to eat the frankfurter.  Eating the
>frankfurter would be unregulated manipulation of a non-entity (as no
>frankfurter entity exists).  However, as the eating would win you the game
>of Paella and hence the Treasure, it would appear to have an effect on the
>game state, and hence the eating could not have occurred.

I don't think anything in the treasure rules requires the conditions which
are to be done to find the treasure be 'actions' as defined by the rules.

Eating the frankfurter was in fact a unregulated manipulation of a
non-entity.

The fact that the map relied on that is irrelevant I think.

It would be like my saying:
I offer A$1 to the first person to frob the friznatz.

Now, anyone may in fact take this offer up, and perform this non-action.
That doesn't make (I believe) the offer invalid.

- --JT, waiting to see who will be the first.

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:07:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Web Pages.

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
>> Interestingly enough, Lynx has the same problem with slakko's site on some
>> of the tables.  I haven't looked at the HTML, but I'd be willing to bet
>> there was a small but signifigant error for those pages that IE/Netscape
>> handles correctly but Lynx handles differently.
>> 
>> Slakko, a good example of a page which acts this way under lynx is
>> http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/Nomic/Acka/players/archive.html
>> 
>> Hope this helps in tracking down whatever the problem is :)
>
>I bet it is because I have <br> bits in those tables.  However, if I try
>to do that page without tables, it is going to look like a horrible mess.

That would in fact do it.  Any reason you used <BR> in those tables?

- --JT, just curious

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:10:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Web Pages.

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, JT wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> >> Interestingly enough, Lynx has the same problem with slakko's site on some
> >> of the tables.  I haven't looked at the HTML, but I'd be willing to bet
> >> there was a small but signifigant error for those pages that IE/Netscape
> >> handles correctly but Lynx handles differently.
> >> 
> >> Slakko, a good example of a page which acts this way under lynx is
> >> http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/Nomic/Acka/players/archive.html
> >> 
> >> Hope this helps in tracking down whatever the problem is :)
> >
> >I bet it is because I have <br> bits in those tables.  However, if I try
> >to do that page without tables, it is going to look like a horrible mess.
> 
> That would in fact do it.  Any reason you used <BR> in those tables?

Cause <P> would be too large a gap, and I wanted one cell to represent one
office for clarity.  The <BR> are necessary so that each previous holder
of the office can be listed on the same line as the time they held the
office for, without me having to worry about any tricky alignment
problems.

- -- 
Duncan C. Richer aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother | Queens' College
http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/    Ackanomic     | U. of Cambridge
Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator  | 2nd Year PhD(PMa)

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:19:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: treasure

I bury clocks that bicker in marble ships as a treasure.

Here is the map:

I will reveal quotes from three plays.  When a player unambiguously posts
(publicly) to my satisfaction the play that one of the quotes comes from,
that quote will no longer be valid and the player who guessed it will
become the Drama Critic and I will begin another quote.  The Drama Critic
may not guess on quotes.  The first player to correctly get 3 quotes will
find the treasure.  An incorrect guess disqualifies you from guessing on
that quote in the future ; three incorrect guesses disqualifies you from
finding the treasure.  Each incorrect guess will reveal another fragment of
the quote.

Some quotes will have certain restrictions.  Some of the quotes might not
be quite exact.  I might star out names that look web-searchable.  I might
retract quotes that I realize are terribly misquoted.  In general, I am not
to be held accountable for any of my actions with regard to this treasure

#1 "Knowing my body well, as I do," (AJ, Leather Artifact, Studge ineligible)
#2 "You been up there along time" [sic]
#3 "Excuse me, sirs, I pray, I can't yet speak"

- --A Mean Hat.
  Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master - Warrior Caste - Crazy French
Scotsman - Really Weird

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:22:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka Paella

>
>The fact that the map relied on that is irrelevant I think>
>It would be like my saying:
>I offer A$1 to the first person to frob the friznatz.
>
>Now, anyone may in fact take this offer up, and perform this non-action.
>That doesn't make (I believe) the offer invalid.
>
>--JT, waiting to see who will be the first.
>
>

I frob the friznatz seventeen times, with a lewd expression on my face.  I
run to the library where i play "Please Please Me" by the Beatles.  I go to
the steps of town hall.  I frob the fritznatz seven more times on the steps
of town hall.  Mother Ackans hide eir children's eyes.  I go home.
- --A Mean Hat.
  Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master - Warrior Caste - Crazy French
Scotsman - Really Weird

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:24:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: treasure

At 03:19 AM 10/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I bury clocks that bicker in marble ships as a treasure.
>
>Here is the map:
>
>I will reveal quotes from three plays.  When a player unambiguously posts
>(publicly) to my satisfaction the play that one of the quotes comes from,
>that quote will no longer be valid and the player who guessed it will
>become the Drama Critic and I will begin another quote.  The Drama Critic
>may not guess on quotes.  The first player to correctly get 3 quotes will
>find the treasure.  An incorrect guess disqualifies you from guessing on
>that quote in the future ; three incorrect guesses disqualifies you from
>finding the treasure.  Each incorrect guess will reveal another fragment of
>the quote.
>
>Some quotes will have certain restrictions.  Some of the quotes might not
>be quite exact.  I might star out names that look web-searchable.  I might
>retract quotes that I realize are terribly misquoted.  In general, I am not
>to be held accountable for any of my actions with regard to this treasure
>
>
>#1 "Knowing my body well, as I do," (AJ, Leather Artifact, Studge ineligible)
>#2 "You been up there along time" [sic]
>#3 "Excuse me, sirs, I pray, I can't yet speak"
>

Oh, author is ok, too, to become Drama Critic, as long as I know who the
author is (for example, i'm not sure who wrote #1).  If you can convince me
that your author is the right one, you get to be the Critic.
- --A Mean Hat.
  Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master - Warrior Caste - Crazy French
Scotsman - Really Weird

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:25:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka Paella

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>The fact that the map relied on that is irrelevant I think>
>>It would be like my saying:
>>I offer A$1 to the first person to frob the friznatz.
>>
>>Now, anyone may in fact take this offer up, and perform this non-action.
>>That doesn't make (I believe) the offer invalid.
>>
>>--JT, waiting to see who will be the first.
>
>I frob the friznatz seventeen times, with a lewd expression on my face.  I
>run to the library where i play "Please Please Me" by the Beatles.  I go to
>the steps of town hall.  I frob the fritznatz seven more times on the steps
>of town hall.  Mother Ackans hide eir children's eyes.  I go home.

As I offered, I give A Mean Hat A$1.

- --JT

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:39:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: treasure

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>#3 "Excuse me, sirs, I pray, I can't yet speak"

This is "She Stoops to Conquer" by "Oliver Goldsmith", I think.

- --JT

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:45:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: treasure

JT is drama critic

#1 "Knowing my body well, as I do," (AJ, Leather Artifact, Studge ineligible)
#2 "You been up there along time" [sic]
#3 "Tis I, I humbly reply" (this one might be really easy)

- --A Mean Hat.
  Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master - Warrior Caste - Crazy French
Scotsman - Really Weird

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 04:19:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Gallows

In accordance with my pre-duel agreement with JT, I offer em :

GRUAD's Plaything of Inexplicable Power

K 2

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 04:22:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gallows

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, K 2 wrote:
>In accordance with my pre-duel agreement with JT, I offer em :
>
>GRUAD's Plaything of Inexplicable Power

I accept this trinket from K 2, and study it intently for a while.

- --JT

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:15:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: treasure

>JT is drama critic

>#1 "Knowing my body well, as I do," (AJ, Leather Artifact, Studge ineligible)
>#2 "You been up there along time" [sic]
>#3 "Tis I, I humbly reply" (this one might be really easy)

#3 is, For me, at least, since it's more of a song quote than a play quote: the
play is "Camelot"(authors etc. escape me for the nonce), the song is "C'est
Moi", the singer is Lancelot...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page:http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/)
Current Song--Bauhaus:Bela Lugosi's Dead
Current Book--Anne Rice:The Queen of The Damned
A rolling stone gets the worm.

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:23:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Voting Results and Nominations

First off, while normally I would be here over the weekend, this weekend
I was not, and that's why it took me so long to get things going.

Next, I have no choice but to release the voting results as they stand
now.  They won't be pretty, but here they are:

By the way, I am basing the quorum percentages on 23 active players:

404 Not Found, Alfvaen, A Mean Hat, Aunt Froot, Calvin N Hobbes,
/dev/joe,
Fortunato, IdiotBoy, JT, K 2, Leather Artifact, Rambo R Minuteman, Rex
Mundi,
risE, Robin Hood, saaremaa, Slakko, Studge, The Green Ripper, ThinMan, 
two-star, Vynd, and Wild Card

If any of these people are *not* voting players, or if there are voting
players not on this list, please let me know. 

Results for Proposal 3625 (Funnel Clouds Wait For No Man) - Alfvaen

13/23 votes
9/13 YES votes - Quorum achieved, Proposal accepted

YES: 
/dev/joe - 		(Vulcan)
A Mean Hat - 		(GOP)
JT - 			(Boomerangs)
Fortunato
Leather Artifact - 	(GOP)
risE - 			(Klingon)
The Green Ripper - 	(Boomerangs)
Rambo R Minuteman - 	(Boomerangs)
Alfvaen -		(MetaMorph)
Slakko - 		(SPAM)

NO:
K 2

BAA!:
saaremaa - 		(Vulcan)
IdiotBoy - 		(AVPP)

Results for Proposal 3626 (Reorg VI) - saaremaa

13/23 votes
5/13 YES votes - Quorum failed

Results for Proposal 3627 (Pragmatic Precedence) - saaremaa

13/23 votes
10/13 YES votes - Quorum achieved, Proposal accepted

YES:
/dev/joe - 		(Vulcan)
A Mean Hat - 		(GOP)
K 2
JT - 			(Boomerangs)
Fortunato
Leather Artifact - 	(GOP)
risE - 			(Klingon)
The Green Ripper - 	(Boomerangs)
saaremaa - 		(Vulcan)
Slakko - 		(SPAM)

NO:
Rambo R Minuteman - 	(Boomerangs)

BAA!:
IdiotBoy - 		(AVPP)
Alfvaen -		(MetaMorph)

Results for Proposal 3628 (Bow To Their Might) - A Mean Hat

13/23 votes
3/13 YES votes - Quorum failed

Results for Proposal 3629 (Governments Changes) - A Mean Hat

13/23 votes
7/13 YES votes - Quorum failed

Results for Proposal 3630 (Puzzle Pieces Ahoy!) - Slakko

13/23 votes
6/13 YES votes - Quorum failed

Results for Proposal 3631 (Frog, Frog, Frog, Mouse) - /dev/joe

12/23 votes
10/12 YES votes - Quorum achieved, Proposal passed

YES:
/dev/joe - 		(Vulcan)
A Mean Hat - 		(GOP)
K 2
JT - 			(Boomerangs)
Fortunato
Leather Artifact - 	(GOP)
risE -			(Klingon)
The Green Ripper - 	(Boomerangs)
Rambo R Minuteman - 	(Boomerangs)
Alfvaen -		(MetaMorph)

NO:

BAA!:
IdiotBoy - 		(AVPP)
saaremaa - 		(Vulcan)

Results for Proposal 3632 (Caste Fix) - JT

12/23 votes
8/12 YES votes - Quorum failed

Results for Proposal 3633 (The Sleep of the Just) - Slakko

12/23 votes
8/12 YES votes - Quorum failed

Results for Proposal 3634 (Another Rule That Annoys Me) - Rambo R
Minuteman

12/23 votes
5/12 YES votes - Quorum failed

Results for Proposal 3635 (It Isn't You Know) - Rambo R Minuteman

12/23 votes
4/12 YES votes - Quorum failed

Results for Proposal 3636 (Resolving Conflicts) - K 2

23/23 votes - Quorum achieved
0/23 YES votes - Proposal failed

NO:
(Everyone)

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Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:23:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Poet Laureate Nomination

The nomination period for Poet Laureate starts now.  Reply to this
message to vote.

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Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:25:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Questions

Now that the voting results (such as they were) are released, I have
some questions:

Do I pass out Puppet Heads?  Do I also post the score reductions due to
quorum failures?
How does bribing Tammany work when quorum fails?  If they still get
paid, whom do I inform?

If anyone is interested in the voting results for quorum failures, let
me know.  I was trying to get the damn things out as soon as possible.

- ------------------
Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:05:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: treasure

Alfvaen is drama critic.

>>#1 "Knowing my body well, as I do," (AJ, Leather Artifact, Studge
ineligible)
>>#2 "You been up there along time" [sic]
>>#3 "Tis I, I humbly reply" (this one might be really easy)
>
>#3 is, For me, at least, since it's more of a song quote than a play
quote: the
>play is "Camelot"(authors etc. escape me for the nonce), the song is "C'est
>Moi", the singer is Lancelot...

#1 "Knowing my body well, as I do," (AJ, Leather Artifact, Studge ineligible)
#2 "You been up there along time" [sic]
#3 "The thing is, I'm desperate.  You see, I'm wearing that"

- --A Mean Hat.
  Daring Adventurer -- Dungeon Master - Warrior Caste - Crazy French
Scotsman - Really Weird

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:10:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ack!

I noticed that Slakko had sent in more votes that I had missed.  Sorry.
Here are the proposals that it changed (3632 and 3633 now achieved
quorum, and passed)

Results for Proposal 3631 (Frog, Frog, Frog, Mouse) - /dev/joe

13/23 votes
11/13 YES votes - Quorum achieved, Proposal passed

YES:
/dev/joe - 		(Vulcan)
A Mean Hat - 		(GOP)
K 2
JT - 			(Boomerangs)
Fortunato
Leather Artifact - 	(GOP)
risE -			(Klingon)
The Green Ripper - 	(Boomerangs)
Rambo R Minuteman - 	(Boomerangs)
Alfvaen -		(MetaMorph)
Slakko - 		(SPAM)

NO:

BAA!:
IdiotBoy - 		(AVPP)
saaremaa - 		(Vulcan)

Results for Proposal 3632 (Caste Fix) - JT

13/23 votes
9/13 YES votes - Quorum achieved, Proposal passed

YES:
/dev/joe - 		(Vulcan)
A Mean Hat - 		(GOP)
JT - 			(Boomerangs)
Fortunato
Leather Artifact - 	(GOP)
risE - 			(Klingon)
Rambo R Minuteman - 	(Boomerangs)
Alfvaen - 		(Metamorph)
Slakko - 		(SPAM)

NO:
K 2
The Green Ripper - 	(Boomerangs)

BAA!:
saaremaa - 		(Vulcan)IdiotBoy - 		(AVPP)

Results for Proposal 3633 (The Sleep of the Just) - Slakko

13/23 votes
9/13 YES votes - Quorum achieved, Proposal passed

YES:
/dev/joe - 		(Vulcan)
A Mean Hat - 		(GOP)
JT - 			(Boomerangs)
Fortunato
Leather Artifact - 	(GOP)
risE -			(Klingon)
The Green Ripper - 	(Boomerangs)
Alfvaen -		(MetaMorph)
Slakko - 		(SPAM)

NO:
K 2
Rambo R Minuteman - 	(Boomerangs)
saaremaa - 		(Vulcan)

BAA!:
IdiotBoy - 		(AVPP)

Results for Proposal 3634 (Another Rule That Annoys Me) - Rambo R
Minuteman

13/23 votes
5/13 YES votes - Quorum failed

Results for Proposal 3635 (It Isn't You Know) - Rambo R Minuteman

13/23 votes
4/13 YES votes - Quorum failed

Results for Proposal 3636 (Resolving Conflicts) - K 2

23/23 votes - Quorum achieved
0/23 YES votes - Proposal failed

NO:
(Everyone)

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Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:22:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Questions

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:

>Now that the voting results (such as they were) are released, I have
>some questions:
>
>Do I pass out Puppet Heads?  Do I also post the score reductions due to
>quorum failures?

I think you should post the names of people who recieved puppet heads at
least.

>How does bribing Tammany work when quorum fails?  If they still get
>paid, whom do I inform?

From the rules:
Each Player who submitted a Tammany Bribe on a Proposal which is about to
be resolved shall have the designated amount of currency deducted from his
account and placed in the Treasury. If this would result in a negative
currency balance for the player, his entire Bribe is disregarded and no
currency is deducted.

This says (to me) that players pay tammany bribes even on props that fail
quorum.

- --JT

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:39:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Questions

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, JT wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
> 
> >Now that the voting results (such as they were) are released, I have
> >some questions:
> >
> >Do I pass out Puppet Heads?  Do I also post the score reductions due to
> >quorum failures?
> 
> I think you should post the names of people who recieved puppet heads at
> least.
> 

 Which number is the rule?  I can't find it... :-(

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing a Silly Agenda Hat.   \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:07:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Questions

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>> >Do I pass out Puppet Heads?  Do I also post the score reductions due to
>> >quorum failures?
>> 
>> I think you should post the names of people who recieved puppet heads at
>> least.
>> 
>
> Which number is the rule?  I can't find it... :-(

Rule 207, Section IV.

- --JT

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:17:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Puppet Head

 Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing a Silly Agenda Hat.   \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

Angry Wind, aka Brian - Duke of an Amber elsewhere and elsewhen. \'#######
"Thankfully we left the more psychotic ones behind."

"The last human being on the Earth sat alone in a room.          \'#######
There was a knock on the door..."                   - Shortest SF story...

"Senji, a fifteenth century practitioner of alchemy at the       \'#######
university in the imperial city was notorious for his ineptitude"  - Senji

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:24:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Puppet Head

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

 <sigs snipped>

 D'oh!  I am Claire Speed and ICMFP.

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing a Silly Agenda Hat.   \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:24:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Tabulator (/dev/joe)

It gives me great pleasure to announce the new tabulator.  Please thank
/dev/joe for taking on this job.

- --JT

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:43:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Tabulator (/dev/joe)

JT wrote:
> It gives me great pleasure to announce the new tabulator.  Please thank
> /dev/joe for taking on this job.

Please send votes to [email-masked] in the format nomicbot used:

#vote NNNN X

where NNNN is the number of a proposal, and X is a valid vote:
YES, NO, BAA (or their Y, N, B abbreviations) or - to not cast
a vote.

You may also vote on several consecutive proposals with a command like

#vote NNNN X Y Z A B C D - E

which will cast the vote X on proposal NNNN, Y on NNNN+1, etc.

If you have voted before JT's announcement, and did not also send those
votes to Fortunato, please send your votes to the bot again in order to
strictly follow the rules.  (A quick check shows only one player did so;
he knows who he is.)

There will eventually be #bonusvote and #tammany commands to handle those
things, but they do not work yet.  Please send your tammany bribes and
bonus votes to my normal address, [email-masked], with
'Tammany Bribe PNNNN' or 'Bonus Vote PNNNN' in the subject line, until
I say otherwise.

/dev/joe
Tabulator

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:51:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Puppet Heads & Tammany

The following players received Puppet Heads:

404 Not Found
Calvin N Hobbes
Rex Mundi
Robin Hood
two-star
Wild Card (who has already gotten rid of his)
Aunt Froot
Studge
ThinMan
Vynd

K 2 bribed Tammany A$25 to vote NO on proposal 3630.
K 2 bribed Tammany A$25 to vote NO on proposal 3635.
Alfvaen bribed Tammany A$26 to vote NO on proposal 3635.

That should be everything... take it away, /dev/joe :)

- ------------------
Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
- ------------------

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:07:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re:  Acka: Puppet Head

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:09:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: GAD!

Well, now that the mess with proposals has been cleared up, I believe
that now is a good time to start a rousing game of Grab-A-Donkey!  But
first, my proposal to alter the game somewhat.  

#submit proposal Look!  Halley's Comet!
Modify Rule 1213 (Grab-A-Donkey) in the following fashion:

Alter the following ACTION-delimited section:
ACTION
(a) Cover their donkey,
(b) Grab another player's donkey on the GAL,
(c) Stand Around Admiring their Donkey,
(d) Resign (this action is only permissible in the first round).
ACTION

to the following NEW-delimited section:
NEW
(a) Cover their donkey,
(b) Grab another player's donkey on the GAL,
(c) Distract another player on the GAL,
(d) Stand Around Admiring their Donkey,
(e) Resign (this action is only permissible in the first round).
NEW

Change the first sentence of Section C to the following
DISTRACT-delimited
text:

DISTRACT
C. If exactly one player ("A") chose to Grab another player's donkey
("B"),
and B did not Cover their donkey or B Covered their donkey and was
Distracted
by at least one other player:
DISTRACT

#end

Players are, of course, permitted to sneer (though I hope they don't) :)

Finally, I create a trinket, valued at A$20, named GAD in Miniature, and
described by the "-delimited text:
"
This is an intricately carved representation of a game of Grab a Donkey
at its most busy.  Donkeys are running everywhere, lassos are flying
around, while off to the side several human figures are standing around
looking at their donkeys.  Some of the donkeys have what appear to be
quite comfortable blankets draped over them.  Oddly enough, the carving
is made of pure cubic zirconia.
"

I give GAD in Miniature to Slakko, for his assistance (read: idea).

Fortunato

- ------------------
Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
- ------------------

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:10:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Potato (/dev/joe)

/dev/joe has found the potato this wee.
Leather Artifact thus has the Tuba.

- --JT

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[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:58:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Head Apollo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Raft (Calvin N Hobbes)

>Since there are enough people who want to go rafting, including the holder
>of the Oars, I'll agree to it. But we are all going to die... Or worse...
>
>CnH

I consent to go on this trip if I have not already explicitly done so. I
nudge JT with *that* wand. I believe (in a strictly first come first served
basis) the following players are going rafting:

risE
Calvin N Hobbes
Wild Card
IdiotBoy

I would now like to add a little scaremongering directed only to the above
players. <ahem> You FOOLS!!! You will surely die, crushed on the rocks of
pointy despair!!! And a fitting punishment for ones so box-of-hammers-like I
think you will agree.

risE

(mmm...self-referential scaremongering.)

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:07:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Raft (Calvin N Hobbes)

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Head Apollo wrote:
>>Since there are enough people who want to go rafting, including the holder
>>of the Oars, I'll agree to it. But we are all going to die... Or worse...
>>
>>CnH
>
>I consent to go on this trip if I have not already explicitly done so. I
>nudge JT with *that* wand. I believe (in a strictly first come first served
>basis) the following players are going rafting:

I was just waiting for one of the rafting team to post the list of who was
going since I'm not (technically) allowed to make the determination
without that info :)

>risE
>Calvin N Hobbes
>Wild Card
>IdiotBoy
>

And they're off.  Stay tuned to this same Ack-channel to see how they
fare!

- --JT

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:10:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Rafting Trip

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# Players: risE, Calvin N Hobbes, Wild Card, IdiotBoy
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# 1 - Broken Conservation laws
# 2 - Lost in the Wilds
# 3 - Capsize/loss of items
# 4 - Capsize/Concussion
# 5 - Success/Boon/Daring Adventurer/7 Points

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> 
> #C Players: risE, Calvin N Hobbes, Wild Card, IdiotBoy
> #C
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> #C 2 - Lost in the Wilds
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:21:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Raft (Calvin N Hobbes)

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, JT wrote:
>I was just waiting for one of the rafting team to post the list of who was
>going since I'm not (technically) allowed to make the determination
>without that info :)
>
>
>>risE
>>Calvin N Hobbes
>>Wild Card
>>IdiotBoy
>>
>
>And they're off.  Stay tuned to this same Ack-channel to see how they
>fare!

In a surprise crackdown today, the rafting team got halfway down the river
and where pulled over by local Wilds authorities.   They were quickly
tried and sentanced to one day in Gaol each for polluting the river and
for breaking conservation laws.   Hopefully their time in Gaol will teach
them a lesson and make them more productive members of our Ackanomic
society.

- --JT

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:34:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Appeal for Pardon Re: Acka: Raft (JT)

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, JT wrote:

> In a surprise crackdown today, the rafting team got halfway down the river
> and where pulled over by local Wilds authorities.   They were quickly
> tried and sentanced to one day in Gaol each for polluting the river and
> for breaking conservation laws.   Hopefully their time in Gaol will teach
> them a lesson and make them more productive members of our Ackanomic
> society.

 I wish to appeal this scentence, on the grounds that we were not given a
proper trial, and that we did nothing wrong.  I address my appeal to JT,
the President.

 Wild Card.

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing a Silly Agenda Hat.   \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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