Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #353
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ackanomic digest        Friday, October 9 1998        Volume 03 : Number 353

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 01:14:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Something old

Hubert.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 01:28:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bryan Federico" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: XAzij

I ask A Mean Hat to provide me with Random Stats as opposed to the 
default.

Altra The FireCat

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 01:32:52 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: acka: Altra the FireCat's stats 

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# Str
# Int
# Wis
# Dex
# Con
# Cha
# Hubert
# Dungeon Masters are cool

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No. of dice for every roll:     3
No. of dice rolls requested:    6
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> #P [email-masked]
> #S 6
> #D 3
> #R 6
> #L 6
> #C Altra's Characteristic Rolls
> #C Str
> #C Int
> #C Wis
> #C Dex
> #C Con
> #C Cha
> #C Hubert
> #C Dungeon Masters are cool
> #T acka: Altra the FireCat's stats 
> --A Mean Hat.
>   Dungeon Master - Warrior Caste - Crazy French Scotsman - Really Weird
>   

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 01:45:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma action

A Mean Hat wrote:
>JT wrote:
>>I play my Otzma Card Map Shard and name A Mean Hat and treasure 246
>>
>"posts the word H*bert without explanation for three days in"

You won't get me that easily.

Studge

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:00:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: PHE (A Mean Hat.)

As noted in Rule 1123 I declare a Publlic Health Emergency on A Mean Hat.
for posting eir map shard to a public dorum. Valid responses on this
hearing are "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!" and,
"No, e, uh, meant to do that."

I am the hearing harfer.

Studge

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:03:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: PHE (A Mean Hat.)

On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Mueller wrote:
>As noted in Rule 1123 I declare a Publlic Health Emergency on A Mean Hat.
>for posting eir map shard to a public dorum. Valid responses on this
>hearing are "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!" and,
>"No, e, uh, meant to do that."
>
>I am the hearing harfer.

I and my two EBS all vote "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to
eir aunt!" and hope you give him the harshest penalty.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:05:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma action

On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>At 02:18 AM 10/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>I play my Otzma Card Map Shard and name A Mean Hat and treasure 246
>>
>>--JT
>>
>>[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
>>[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
>>[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
>>[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
>> 
>
>"posts the word H.bert without explanation for three days in"
>--A Mean Hat.
>  Dungeon Master - Warrior Caste - Crazy French Scotsman - Really Weird
>  

[the above was slightly modified to avoid giving A Mean Hat points on
another treasure hunt]

Since this was posted publically, it obviously wasn't the response to my
map shard, so I await my REAL map shard piece from A Mean Hat.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:06:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: PHE (A Mean Hat.)

As noted in Rule 1123 I declare a Publlic Health Emergency on JT.
for posting eir hearing response to a public forum. Valid responses on this
hearing are "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!" and,
"No, e, uh, meant to do that."

I am the hearing harfer.

>I and my two EBS all vote "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to
>eir aunt!" and hope you give him the harshest penalty.
>
>--JT
>
>[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
>[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
>[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
>[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
 
- --A Mean Hat.
  Dungeon Master - Warrior Caste - Crazy French Scotsman - Really Weird

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:06:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: PHE (A Mean Hat.)

On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, JT wrote:
>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Mueller wrote:
>>As noted in Rule 1123 I declare a Publlic Health Emergency on A Mean Hat.
>>for posting eir map shard to a public dorum. Valid responses on this
>>hearing are "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!" and,
>>"No, e, uh, meant to do that."
>>
>>I am the hearing harfer.
>
>I and my two EBS all vote "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to
>eir aunt!" and hope you give him the harshest penalty.

I now glare at Studge for not using acka-priv and thus coercing others
into commiting the same thing.

- --JT

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[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:10:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: PHE (A Mean Hat.)

JT wrote:
>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, JT wrote:
>>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Mueller wrote:
>>>As noted in Rule 1123 I declare a Publlic Health Emergency on A Mean Hat.
>>>for posting eir map shard to a public dorum. Valid responses on this
>>>hearing are "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!" and,
>>>"No, e, uh, meant to do that."
>>>
>>>I am the hearing harfer.
>>
>>I and my two EBS all vote "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to
>>eir aunt!" and hope you give him the harshest penalty.
>
>I now glare at Studge for not using acka-priv and thus coercing others
>into commiting the same thing.
>

It's spreading, it's spreading!

I go home and lock the doors.  I'll try to sit this epidemic out.

Studge :)

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:19:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bryan Federico" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: Altra the FireCat's stats

I now use mu Otzma card type Training Regime and name Wisdom

Altra the FireCat
(:|Worker|General Contractor|Daring Adventurer|:)

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:21:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: PHE (A Mean Hat.)

A Mean Hat wrote:
>As noted in Rule 1123 I declare a Publlic Health Emergency on JT.
>for posting eir hearing response to a public forum. Valid responses on this
>hearing are "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!" and,
>"No, e, uh, meant to do that."
>
>I am the hearing harfer.
>
>>I and my two EBS all vote "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to
>>eir aunt!" and hope you give him the harshest penalty.

Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!

Studge

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:22:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: PHE (Studge)

As noted in Rule 1123 I declare a Publlic Health Emergency on Studge (yes,
on myself) for posting a response to a hearing publicly. Valid responses on
this hearing are "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!"
and, "No, e, uh, meant to do that."

I am the hearing harfer.

Doh!  I caught it despite my preventitive measures....

Studge

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:23:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bryan Federico" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: PHE (A Mean Hat.)

I vote "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to
eir aunt!" and hope you give him the harshest penalty.

Altra the FireCat
(:|Worker|General Contractor|Daring Adventurer|:)

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:24:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: are you there, hubert?

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> #P [email-masked]
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> #C 5 Cha
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> --A Mean Hat.
>   Dungeon Master - Warrior Caste - Crazy French Scotsman - Really Weird
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:28:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: PHE (A Mean Hat.)

As noted in Rule 1123 I declare a Publlic Health Emergency on Altra the
FireCat.
for posting eir hearing response to a public forum. Valid responses on
this
hearing are "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!"
and,
"No, e, uh, meant to do that."

I am the hearing harfer.

K 2

Bryan Federico wrote:

> I vote "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to
> eir aunt!" and hope you give him the harshest penalty.
>
> Altra the FireCat
> (:|Worker|General Contractor|Daring Adventurer|:)
>
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 02:33:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: PHE (A Mean Hat.)

At 02:28 AM 10/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>As noted in Rule 1123 I declare a Publlic Health Emergency on Altra the
>FireCat.
>for posting eir hearing response to a public forum. Valid responses on
>this
>hearing are "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!"
>and,
>"No, e, uh, meant to do that."
>
>I am the hearing harfer.
>
>K 2
>
>Bryan Federico wrote:
>
>> I vote "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to
>> eir aunt!" and hope you give him the harshest penalty.
>>
>> Altra the FireCat
>> (:|Worker|General Contractor|Daring Adventurer|:)

H*berted out of my own game!

Studge  :)

"Chaos! Discord! Snowgod!" - Studge

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 04:56:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma action

On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, JT wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
> >At 02:18 AM 10/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >>I play my Otzma Card Map Shard and name A Mean Hat and treasure 246
> >>
> >>--JT
> >>
> >>[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
> >>[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
> >>[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
> >>[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
> >> 
> >
> >"posts the word H.bert without explanation for three days in"
> >--A Mean Hat.
> >  Dungeon Master - Warrior Caste - Crazy French Scotsman - Really Weird
> >  
> 
> [the above was slightly modified to avoid giving A Mean Hat points on
> another treasure hunt]
> 
> Since this was posted publically, it obviously wasn't the response to my
> map shard, so I await my REAL map shard piece from A Mean Hat.

Does anything prevent em from revealing a portion of the map? No.
Does a public message reach JT? Yes.
Therefore, this public message could still qualify as the Map Shard.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://www.dpmmsd.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/ - Queens'
Cambridge, 2nd Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Clerk of the Court

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 06:42:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: another auction :)

Hmmm. I bid A 50.

K 2
That should attract some interest.

JT wrote:

> I am auctioning the SBoC which I own which has had 1 page read.
> This is a *private* auction and the minimum bid is A$50.
>
> --JT
>
> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
> [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
> [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 06:42:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Cheez-whiz and frobnotzers

I ignore this action :) cause by the time I *have* to harf it it - I won't need
to :p

I give JT sound thwaping, variation 17.

K 2
like making life hard for emself.

JT wrote:

> Having no use for either of these, I donate them to the museum.
>
> --JT, wondering what happens to his BV when they vape from the museum.
>
> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
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> [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 06:42:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma action

>From the appropriate rule:
The named player shall, within 3 days of the Card taking effect, privately post any
10 consecutive words from the named Map
to the player who played the Card. The passage chosen must contain at least one
verb and one noun. If the Map contains no
qualifying passage, however, the named player shall post this fact instead.

The key word is private. The *public* message that The Hat just sent wasn't private
so e still has to send a map shard message to JT. Nothing prevents em from sending
the same 10 words of course.

K2

Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, JT wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
> > >At 02:18 AM 10/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
> > >>I play my Otzma Card Map Shard and name A Mean Hat and treasure 246
> > >>
> > >>--JT
> > >
> > >"posts the word H.bert without explanation for three days in"
>

> > [the above was slightly modified to avoid giving A Mean Hat points on
> > another treasure hunt]
> >
> > Since this was posted publically, it obviously wasn't the response to my
> > map shard, so I await my REAL map shard piece from A Mean Hat.
>
> Does anything prevent em from revealing a portion of the map? No.
> Does a public message reach JT? Yes.
> Therefore, this public message could still qualify as the Map Shard.
>

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:15:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hello...o...o?

I think this is the first time I came in to work and saw no Ackanomic
mail since I joined :)

I go to the Library, go to *that* room, and read *that* book, if I am
allowed to do so.

I then create a trinket, valued at A$10, named "The Trick Top Hat", with
the following "-delimited description:

"
This seems to be a normal felt-lined black top hat, but a skilled wearer
is able to pull all manner of things out of it, from non-Rule sanctioned
entities to Orange Menaces to entire separate nomics.  A strange item,
indeed.
"

I then return to the Monolith.

- ------------------
Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
- ------------------

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:05:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Treasre Stuff

/dev/joe recently pointed out that T191 and T192 are missing from the
found treasure page. It is likely that this is simply due to a miss
numbering on the treasure harfer's part (who ever that was). If a burial
occurred it would have occurred between 22/11/97 and 15/12/97 - neither
/dev/joe nor myself can find any burial messages during that time. If
anyone thinks these treasures did exist a copy of the burial message
would be much appreciated.

Just for fun I bury A$25 as a treasure with the following text as part
of the treasure map:

This treasure will be found in a week by the player who finds the most
errors on any web page maintained by K 2.

K 2

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:05:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Public Packaging

>From whichever location I am in,
I go to the library. Its not a sin.
I am drawn to *that* room; to read *that* book
With my fingers crossed I have a good look.

Musing about the wisdom I just read,
I go to the Town Hall and dance with dread.
The dance is a hula. It's short and sweet.
Before I am caught I head for the street.

Maybe its coincidence. Maybe not.
I arrive at the Goal. Boy am I hot.
A bouncer stops me from going inside.
I force my way in; e flings me outside.

The Senate is lavish. but rather gray,
I make it better and paint it murrey.
I read page five of my great book of chorg.
It produces smoke the shape of Goteborg

>From my position the path is quite clear;
Vulcan Headquarters are nothing to fear.
I go to the door, I ring the door chime.
I run away as fast as I can rhyme.

At the Printing Guild I pick up a copy
of the rules of Ackanomic; recent and floppy.
Perusing the rules I search for a scam.
I want it to be truly premium.

I trek to the courthouse where I conclude:
to use of my angel would not be too rude.
I turn to my Guardian Angel and
say "Guard All Proposals in the land".

At the Free Market I offer for trade
An Amber Banana - for treasure made.
All I ask in exchange for this fortune,
are two swingpoints - not an onerous boon.

The Portrait Gallery: I gaze in awe,
at the mirror that is right by the door.
The caption says its a picture of me.
I don't see how that could possibly be.

I go to the Monolith. Stand on top.
A beautiful view. That's quite a long drop.
I add a new level its name: Murrey
described: Murrey in every single way.

The Hall of Elders looks awfully frosty
piles of ice cubes; I don't feel so toasty
I remove my muumuu; don a sweater
that warms me up. I feel so much better.

At the Museum, aloud and in prose
I say that I will donate Crows! Crows! Crows!
For an hour or so I wonder 'round
decollating its stuff, then leaving town.

This one's big: Harfonian Institute
the funny thing is its shaped like a flute
the exhibits, I find, are rather small
in fact there is not much in here at all

The Ackanomic Afterlife's burnt out shell
looks really empty but its hard to tell
I place on my forehead the worthy dome
numbered 36. It likes its new home.

Next stop: the Institute of Genetic
Replication.  Looks very Synthetic.
Last on the list is the Voting Gnome's home
With that I think I can safely go home.

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:10:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hello...o...o?

Thats it.... I give Fortunato sound thwaping, variation 21.

Take *That*.

K 2

AARON KEESLER wrote:

> I go to the Library, go to *that* room, and read *that* book, if I am
> allowed to do so.

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:07:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma action

On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer wrote:
>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, JT wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>> >At 02:18 AM 10/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> >>I play my Otzma Card Map Shard and name A Mean Hat and treasure 246
>> >>
>> >>--JT
>> >>
>> >>[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
>> >>[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
>> >>[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
>> >>[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
>> >> 
>> >
>> >"posts the word H.bert without explanation for three days in"
>> >--A Mean Hat.
>> >  Dungeon Master - Warrior Caste - Crazy French Scotsman - Really Weird
>> >  
>> 
>> [the above was slightly modified to avoid giving A Mean Hat points on
>> another treasure hunt]
>> 
>> Since this was posted publically, it obviously wasn't the response to my
>> map shard, so I await my REAL map shard piece from A Mean Hat.
>
>Does anything prevent em from revealing a portion of the map? No.
>Does a public message reach JT? Yes.
>Therefore, this public message could still qualify as the Map Shard.

Actually, I would claim it's a case of Game Misconduct, but I'm waiting on
a CFCJ for a bit.  Buried Treasure is defined in the 1200 series of
rules, regulating Sub-Games.   Revealing intended private information
publically is against the spirit of the treasure finding sub-game.

This (to me) would be akin to my (as barkeep) revealing a bards YORL cards
which are likewise defined to be privately sent or revealing a truthseeker
card answer publically.

It's against the spirit of the game being played and thus is a 'crime' in
the Acka sense of the word.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma action

On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, JT wrote:

> Actually, I would claim it's a case of Game Misconduct, but I'm waiting on
> a CFCJ for a bit.  Buried Treasure is defined in the 1200 series of
> rules, regulating Sub-Games.   Revealing intended private information
> publically is against the spirit of the treasure finding sub-game.
> 
> This (to me) would be akin to my (as barkeep) revealing a bards YORL cards
> which are likewise defined to be privately sent or revealing a truthseeker
> card answer publically.
> 
> It's against the spirit of the game being played and thus is a 'crime' in
> the Acka sense of the word.

 But did he do it on purpose?

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.             #####
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html                  o__#######
Wild Card of Acka, member of SPAM, wearing a Silly Agenda Hat.   \'#######
Follower of Banna, the EBS and Odo.  Holding the Silver Key to the Vault.

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:19:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma action

On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, JT wrote:
>
>> Actually, I would claim it's a case of Game Misconduct, but I'm waiting on
>> a CFCJ for a bit.  Buried Treasure is defined in the 1200 series of
>> rules, regulating Sub-Games.   Revealing intended private information
>> publically is against the spirit of the treasure finding sub-game.
>> 
>> This (to me) would be akin to my (as barkeep) revealing a bards YORL cards
>> which are likewise defined to be privately sent or revealing a truthseeker
>> card answer publically.
>> 
>> It's against the spirit of the game being played and thus is a 'crime' in
>> the Acka sense of the word.
>
> But did he do it on purpose?

Since he didn't immediately apologize after having done so (and would
have known that he did so when it returned to him in email) and since he
has not yet apologized (when I mentioned this to him on IRC), I would have
to say he did.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:26:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Ackanomicon Determination

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# Player: Fortunato
# Ackanomicon Determination
# based on the following (using a 49 sided die)
#  1 - 15 Arcane Trivia
# 16 - 20 Vile Prophecies
# 21 - 25 Inner Workings
# 26 - 30 Arcane Lore
# 31 - 33 Terrorizing Pages
# 34 - 34 Ancient Artifact
# 35 - 36 Mutation
# 37 - 38 Dark Domain
# 39 - 40 Long Lost Treasure
# 41 - 41 Forbidden Fruit
# 42 - 42 Catastrophe
# 43 - 46 Not so Forbidden Fruit
# 47 - 47 Ancient One
# 48 - 49 Judgement Day

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No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:    1
No. of rolls per line:          1

     47

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> From [email-masked]  Fri Oct  9 09:25:57 1998
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> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:27:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: JT <[email-masked]>
> To: Dice Server <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka: Nomicon
> Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
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> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
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> #P [email-masked]
> #S 49
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> #T Acka: Ackanomicon Determination
> 
> #C Player: Fortunato
> #C Ackanomicon Determination
> #C based on the following (using a 49 sided die)
> #C
> #C  1 - 15 Arcane Trivia
> #C 16 - 20 Vile Prophecies
> #C 21 - 25 Inner Workings
> #C 26 - 30 Arcane Lore
> #C 31 - 33 Terrorizing Pages
> #C 34 - 34 Ancient Artifact
> #C 35 - 36 Mutation
> #C 37 - 38 Dark Domain
> #C 39 - 40 Long Lost Treasure
> #C 41 - 41 Forbidden Fruit
> #C 42 - 42 Catastrophe
> #C 43 - 46 Not so Forbidden Fruit
> #C 47 - 47 Ancient One
> #C 48 - 49 Judgement Day
> 
> 
> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
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> [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
> 

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:32:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Forked Tongue

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> From [email-masked]  Fri Oct  9 09:31:43 1998
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> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: JT <[email-masked]>
> To: Dice Server <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka: Tongue
> Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
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> #P [email-masked]
> #S 100
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> #T Acka: Forked Tongue
> 
> #C Player: K 2
> #C This player has a forked tongue and read a Spell Book of Chorg or
> #C some small number of pages from the ackanomicon
> #C
> #C  1 -  25 The tongue worked.
> #C 26 - 100 The tongue did not work and the determination is random.
> 
> 
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:33:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Guardian Angel (risE)

K 2's Guardian Angel has been transferred to risE.

- --JT, OiCoRT

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 12:34:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Forked Tongue

On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Dice server wrote:
># Player: K 2
># This player has a forked tongue and read a Spell Book of Chorg or
># some small number of pages from the ackanomicon
>#  1 -  25 The tongue worked.
># 26 - 100 The tongue did not work and the determination is random.
>
>No. of sides on every die:    100
>No. of dice for every roll:     1
>No. of dice rolls requested:    1
>No. of rolls per line:          1
>
>     13

Congratulations, the tongue worked.   Pick your gadget other than an SBoC.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:50:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re:  Acka: Treasure.

>> Nomic is about obeying the rules, even when we walk ourselves into a
>> corner.  The treasure rules in this nomic are open to abuse because there
>> is no way to verify compliance in several areas.  The fact that the rules
>> are open to abuse does not constitute a license to abuse them, however.
>> Have they been abused in this case?  I do not know, not being the map
>> writer.
>
> I don't think it would actually harm me, since someone else has had
>gained the Goose more recently than the 1st.  But more importantly I feel
>that there is enough ambiguity in the map that I might not even have
>theoretically found it (the problem of writing treasure maps in verse).
>
> Still...

So we are back to the original point.  Either you found it or you didn't.
I am willing to assign you, as map writer, the right to interpret your map.
If you judge that the best interpretation is that you have not found the
treasure then fine.  In that case, why bring it up at all?

I guess I am being picky about this, but Nomic is not a game for the
pick-averse.

ThinMan

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 16:41:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma action

On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, K 2 wrote:

> The key word is private. The *public* message that The Hat just sent wasn't private
> so e still has to send a map shard message to JT. Nothing prevents em from sending
> the same 10 words of course.

I remember when I'd just buried the Lizard Wizard (or not) treasure and
was reprimanded by no less than Elder Guy Fawkes when I claimed that a
public message would not satisfy the condition of my treasure; that a
private message be sent.  Public messages, e claimed, were also private,
and game custom supported this interpreblah blah blah.

I, of course, immediately changed the visible map, but I think eir words
may hold some weight.

- -The Green Ripper

A censor is someone who knows more than he thinks you ought to.

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:05:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma action

On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Eric Plumb wrote:
>> The key word is private. The *public* message that The Hat just sent
>>wasn't private so e still has to send a map shard message to JT.
>>Nothing prevents em from sending the same 10 words of course. 
>
>I remember when I'd just buried the Lizard Wizard (or not) treasure and
>was reprimanded by no less than Elder Guy Fawkes when I claimed that a
>public message would not satisfy the condition of my treasure; that a
>private message be sent.  Public messages, e claimed, were also private,
>and game custom supported this interpreblah blah blah.
>
>I, of course, immediately changed the visible map, but I think eir words
>may hold some weight.

With no offense meant to Elder Guy Fawkes, I find this a bit flawed.
The concept of private is not rule defined.
Game Custom has been, in my experience to therefore grant the customary
english meaning to that word.

One of the definitions of private (according to www.m-w.com) is
 : not known or intended to be known publicly 

This is I think the relevant definition as that word is used in the rules.

While I grant that a public message might be allowed in any case where a
private message might be, the rule in question did not say in a private
message, but instead said 'privately post'.  This implies a certain
assurance that this information would be delivered in private, and in
confidence.  Not doing so, and in fact making that information public is
at best bad sportsmanship and at worst Game Misconduct or Blatant
Disregard.

- --JT

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