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ackanomic digest     Saturday, September 12 1998     Volume 03 : Number 315

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:37:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fire

I am on fire. (since I set myself there last night before it was rule
mandates).

I pay the SHF to extinguish myself.

- --JT

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:41:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: rule 250

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Randy Hall wrote:
>> Welcome back, though I know you only be reference and examination of the
>> various archives.
>
>Thx.  And thx to Slakko for the cash.

It was weishaupt actually :)

>Don't set your expectations too high. :-)  Everything else aside, I do not
>have the time to play Acka like I did in the old days, unfortunately.  Also,
>they lured me back with promises of FRP, so I'll prolly be spending alot of
>time figuring how to get that going, if someone else hasn't already.

Noone has yet that I know of :)  But count me interested.

>Is it me, or have the rules grown another 70K since I left?  I'll be kept
>busy just figuring out what is going on; please have mercy on me :)

Heheh :) Yeah, I think they have saaremaa :)

- --JT

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:47:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 659 (FALSE)

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Randy Hall wrote:
>> Statement:
>> An accepted proposal containing a translation of part of a work of Homer
>> which was of sufficient length and cited as being by Homer could cause
>> it's proposer to score points due to the rule "Literature" if it were
>> accepted.
>
>[...]
>
>> Judge's Reasoning:
>> Reasoning:
>> Rule 210 is quite clear that literature must:
>> 
>> >A) The proposal must contain in its body [as opposed to title] one or
>> >   more quotations from sources listed on the Literature list. This
>> >   quotation must be an exact copy of words found in, written, uttered or
>> >   otherwise communicated by the source, enclosed in quotation
>> >   marks. It must contain one of the following:
>> 
>> In order for a quote of literature by Homer to be valid, it must be an
>> *exact copy* of words written, uttered or otherwise communicated by the
>> source.
>> 
>> Quoting from a translation of that source, however accurate the
>> translation is, is not an exact copy of words written, 
>
>[...]
>
>So that means the The Bible, Old and New Testaments, falls under the same 
>sort of logic, meaning that P3548 was not Literature?

I would say so, yes.  Unless they are quoting the old testement in hebrew
:) and even that might not be the 'original'.  

- --JT

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:55:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Building

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

>I purchase a kaa of land; that at co-ordinates N4 E6. I then build a
>small building on this kaa of land called "The Lincoln Bedroom". This
>costs me A$100 in total. I then offer to allow any player who gives me
>A$50 to spend 24 hours in this building.

This fails.

There is already a trinket called 'Linc O ln Bedroom'
This and your proposed buiding have the same primitive form.

- --JT

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:57:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Senatorial Election

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> rufus

And I press the small lever on my EBS as well.

rufus

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:14:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Presidential Election

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:
>Time for another Presidential Election, Ackazens.
>
>The Nominees for this office are:
>
>JT
>Weishaupt
>
>Reply to this message within the next three days to cast your vote,
>and best of luck to both candidates.
>
>breadbox
>waiting for some campaign rhetoric

Well, I won't stoop to the level of rhetoric.

I will say that in my time in Ackanomic, I have always strived to better
the game, and will continue to do such if I am elected to the office of
President.

Vote for the candidate who is a known quantity, and elect JT to the office
of President.

- --JT

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:17:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Automatic Sculpture 2 - Mad Sculptor (Alfvaen)

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>> The automatic sculpture dug up from treasure 122 has transformed into
>> the trinket Sculpture 2.
>
>> The Mad Sculptor who has been assigned is: Alfvaen
>
>> E has 3 days to describe this sculpture.
>
>I was going to come up with something really good for this one, a Showcase
>Extravaganza of the Jukkasjarvi Treasure--either that, or just go for the
>traditional "It is green", but that might have been overused a bit--but
>instead I'll just improvise something right now.  So the following text
>(delimited by GREEN)is the description for Sculpture 2:

[description skipped]

Now that it has been described, I offer Sculpture 2 to /dev/joe in
recognition for the sheer amount of effort he put into the Jukkasjarvi
treasure.

- --JT

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:32:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Great Oars (Rex Mundi)

Rex Mundi has found the Oars this week.

- --JT, OiCoRT

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:37:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Presidential Election

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, JT wrote:

> Well, I won't stoop to the level of rhetoric.
> 

BOO!  HISS!

IB
where's snowgod when you really need him?

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:40:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Presidential Election

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Matt Miller wrote:
>> Well, I won't stoop to the level of rhetoric.
>> 
>
>BOO!  HISS!

Alright.. you're asking for it.. now I'm gonna have to.... get rhetorical!

- --JT (who will probably actually post something tonight or tomorrow :)

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:52:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Presidential Election

>Well, I won't stoop to the level of rhetoric.

As president, (It's what i want to do)
I'll make this promise (And i won't be lax)
Come Hell, High Water, Earthquake, Valen too
I'll never ever ever raise the tax

>I will say that in my time in Ackanomic, I have always strived to better
>the game, and will continue to do such if I am elected to the office of
>President.

You'd vote for im, that sneaky, scammy lout?
that treasure-stealing, also-speaker guy?
If you do, you'd better all watch out
E'll harf a win or three to make us cry

>Vote for the candidate who is a known quantity, and elect JT to the office
>of President.

Or vote for me, yes, vote for JT not
A crazy really weird french-scotsman dude
I'm harfy, funky, stylish, all that rot
So vote for Weishaupt, candidate with 'tude.

I need two final sonnet lines right here
This going postal's kinda fun, i hear.

- -Weishaupt

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:01:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Automatic Sculpture 2 - Mad Sculptor (Alfvaen)

> Now that it has been described, I offer Sculpture 2 to /dev/joe in
> recognition for the sheer amount of effort he put into the Jukkasjarvi
> treasure.

Since e offered it instead of giving it, I accept this trinket from JT.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:09:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Presidential Election

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>Well, I won't stoop to the level of rhetoric.
>
>As president, (It's what i want to do)
>I'll make this promise (And i won't be lax)
>Come Hell, High Water, Earthquake, Valen too
>I'll never ever ever raise the tax

Not handicapped to write in verse or rhyme
Still I will so the fight is fairly fought
The above is moot, for to raise a dime
First a tax is needed, and there is naught.

>You'd vote for im, that sneaky, scammy lout?
>that treasure-stealing, also-speaker guy?
>If you do, you'd better all watch out
>E'll harf a win or three to make us cry

Now right here, I wish we could fight a duel
But such spatting is outlawed still I fear
The lies he spouts are vile, untrue and cruel
And known as such (I hope) to all that hear.

>Or vote for me, yes, vote for JT not
>A crazy really weird french-scotsman dude
>I'm harfy, funky, stylish, all that rot
>So vote for Weishaupt, candidate with 'tude.

A vote for Weishaupt is a real bad move
He's attempted at least scams so far
A failed win and to all the rules remove
to elect him would surely leave a scar.

>I need two final sonnet lines right here
>This going postal's kinda fun, i hear.

Vote for JT, the Prez who wants what's best
For Acka, the players, and all the rest.

- --JT, (paid for by the Vote JT for President campaign, 1998)

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:12:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Campaign promises

To any who will
vote for JT for Prez
goes one golden coin.

- --JT, (paid for by the Vote JT for Prez campaign, 1998)

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:21:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 659 (FALSE)

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Randy Hall wrote:

> 
> What is the correct rendering of "source"?  It is well known that in the 
> modern process of publishing literature, the author's manuscript is
> edited by a staff editor before going into print.  In some cases the author
> has final say, but in some cases the editorial staff has final say, and for
> a given work or artist, it will not be generally well known who had final
> say.  This also applies to recorded music where producers add vocals to
> the final mix, etc.  What is the "source" in this case.  The original
> author's manuscript, or the staff editor's "translation" of that?  Where is 
> the line drawn between translation and editorial rework?  What basis does 
> the rule give us to draw the line anywhere?

In the case of authors, the person whose name is on the book as an author
should be considered to be the source. That the only thing which is
publically known about authorship. If the publisher/author/editors
thought they should be included as collaborators, they might have been
included.
 > 
> Moreover, different printings or editions of the same work will have
> different texts.  Examples include *The Stand* by Stephen King and The
> Bible, Old and New Testaments.  What is the "source" in these examples?
> If *any* is the answer, than *any* publication of a Homeric quote should
> qualify.  It is also known, at least in the case of Plato, that scribes
> at the time changed his work during transcription, even though the language
> did not change.  Could this have happened with Homer?  Who knows?  How
> do we find the "source"?

I'd rather view the King James Bible as a seperate work fromthe old
testament, it being such a terrible translation, and from secondary
sources, too.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:22:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Campaign promises

At 04:12 PM 9/12/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>To any who will
>vote for JT for Prez
>goes one golden coin.
>
>--JT, (paid for by the Vote JT for Prez campaign, 1998)

This bribery is
making me want to vomit;
Phoebe disapproves.

- --Weishaupt

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:28:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Campaign promises

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>To any who will
>>vote for JT for Prez
>>goes one golden coin.
>>
>
>This bribery is
>making me want to vomit;
>Phoebe disapproves.

Since Pheobe the wise
has never graced you with her
presence, speak false.

- --JT, (paid for by the Vote JT for Prez campaign, 1998)

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:29:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Presidential Election

At 04:09 PM 9/12/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>>Well, I won't stoop to the level of rhetoric.
>>
>>As president, (It's what i want to do)
>>I'll make this promise (And i won't be lax)
>>Come Hell, High Water, Earthquake, Valen too
>>I'll never ever ever raise the tax
>
>Not handicapped to write in verse or rhyme
>Still I will so the fight is fairly fought
>The above is moot, for to raise a dime
>First a tax is needed, and there is naught.
>
>>You'd vote for im, that sneaky, scammy lout?
>>that treasure-stealing, also-speaker guy?
>>If you do, you'd better all watch out
>>E'll harf a win or three to make us cry
>
>Now right here, I wish we could fight a duel
>But such spatting is outlawed still I fear
>The lies he spouts are vile, untrue and cruel
>And known as such (I hope) to all that hear.
>
>>Or vote for me, yes, vote for JT not
>>A crazy really weird french-scotsman dude
>>I'm harfy, funky, stylish, all that rot
>>So vote for Weishaupt, candidate with 'tude.
>
>A vote for Weishaupt is a real bad move
>He's attempted at least scams so far
>A failed win and to all the rules remove
>to elect him would surely leave a scar.
>
>>I need two final sonnet lines right here
>>This going postal's kinda fun, i hear.
>
>Vote for JT, the Prez who wants what's best
>For Acka, the players, and all the rest.

I cry unfair, I cry foul, I cry nay!
Ts true, JT is using rhymes today,

He says his poem evens out the score
but i need more, oh yes, how i need more

A sonnet's harder far, you must agree
Pentameter's a requisite for me!

and not just that but iambs, they are too
JT? you fair? not quite, no, never you!

So ackans, give a presidential nod
Or you elect an unfair, boorish clod.

- -Weishaupt

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:30:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Campaign promises (fwd)

>Since Pheobe the wise
>has never graced you with her
>presence, speak false.

An error this one
contained within.  The word 'you'
was dropped by typist.

Since Pheobe the wise
has never graced you with her
presence, *you* speak false.

That is how it should
have read the first time sent out.
I apologize.

- --JT, (paid for by the Vote JT for Prez campaign, 1998)

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:45:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Presidential Election

For one who hosed himself, you cry a lot
For to rhyme, required, I was not.

I said they would make the fight more fair,
the choice of sonnet's surely yours to bear.

And now, you pick at nits to throw me down?
A lower blow could hardly e'er be found.

Yet still will I stay to play this game
For to back down now would be surely lame.

So give your vote to one who will fight fair
Though nothing required me to take this dare.

- --JT, (paid for by the Vote JT for Prez campaign, 1998)

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:53:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Campaign promises

At 04:28 PM 9/12/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>>To any who will
>>>vote for JT for Prez
>>>goes one golden coin.
>>>
>>
>>This bribery is
>>making me want to vomit;
>>Phoebe disapproves.
>
>Since Pheobe the wise
>has never graced you with her
>presence, you speak false.

I stick out my tongue
And carefully point it in 
JT's direction. 

- --Weishaupt

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:35:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Gift

I give all trinkets I own with Jukkasjarvi in their names to saaremaa.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:07:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 641 (TRUE)

/dev/cortex has overturned this to TRUE.
Penalty to original judge (rufus): 1 point.

Call for Judgement 641 - August 4, 1998
Subject: True Names
Initiator: K 2 (Sent 4 Aug 1998, 14:32 Acka time)
1st Judge: Niccolo Flychuck (selected 06 Aug 1998, 18:25 Acka) (deadbeat)
2nd Judge: J. M. Bear (selected 15 Aug 1998, 03:52 Acka) (deadbeat)
3rd Judge: Memo (selected 22 Aug 1998, 04:35 Acka) (deadbeat)
4th Judge: rufus (selected 29 Aug 1998, 18:58 Acka) 
Judgement: FALSE (promulgated 4 Sep 1998, 05:16 Acka)
Appellant: K 2 (at 8 Sep 1998, 03:07 Acka)
Cortex: /dev/cortex (/dev/joe and Mr. Tambourine Man) (8 Sep 1998 15:27
Acka)
Judgement: TRUE

Statement:
No player of Ackanomic has ever had an Ackanomic name (as distinct from
a real name) of Tom Walmsley.

Reasoning:
When the entity then known as
a-collection-of-numbers-that-I-can-never-remember-which-relate-in-some-manne
r-to-the-string-"Jenny"
attempted to change eir name the registrar (JT - an altogether easier
name to remember) objected on the grounds of "Malenkai's Loophole". As a
result the change did not occur.

Judge's Reasoning:
False.  JT lacked the power to deny the change.

Appellant's Reasoning (K 2):
Rule 251 stated in part:
"
In addition, if the name change has not yet been accepted as described
in the following paragraph, the Registrar may object to the name change
if e feels that the new name is either a) too close to an existing
player name(i.e. differs by only one or two characters), or b) is
intended only to exploit Malenkai's Loophole(see Rule 721).

If the Registrar acknowledges a legal name change, or after three days
have passed if the Registrar neither acknowledges the change nor objects
to it(and the new name complies with all applicable rules), then the
name change is accepted and occurs, at which time the player in question
shall pay the Standard Harfer Fee.
"

In accordance with this:
On 26 Jul 1998 14:52:45 JT stated:
As I warned Mr. Tambourine Man that I would, I object to this name
change on the grounds that I believe it is designed to exploit the
lexical equivalence between the attempted Ackanomic Name and the Real
Life Name of another player, thus potentially opening up an abuse of
Malenkai's Loophole.
and later:
On 26 Jul 1998 15:19:45 JT stated:
And similarly to how/why I rejected Mr. Tambourine Man's name change, I
reject this name change.

These messages on JT's part clearly indicate a belief (feeling) that the
name change is/was an attempt to exploit Malenkai's Loophole. Since the
first of the quoted paragraphs permits the Registrar (JT) to object on
these grounds, the second quoted paragraph takes effect and denies the
name change. Thus 867-5309 failed to change eir name to Tom Walmsley.

Cortex's Reasoning:

We at /dev/cortex agree with the appealer. Specifically we questioned JT

about his objections on IRC and although we have no proof that e is
telling the truth we have no option but to take what e says as true.
Here is the relevant extract cut and pasted from IRC:

[MTM] JT, when you objected to my name change to Eric Plumb and
867-5309's to Tom Walmsley were you doing it (in all honesty here)
because you believed that it was intended only to exploit Malenkai's
loophole.
<JT> Yes, I was MTM.
<JT> I was concerned that it could in fact cause some things to get
screwed up.
<JT> because there might have been places that referred to Tom Walmsley
that were important in some acka document.
<JT> where it would be possible for confusion to the arise.
[MTM] Okay then, thank you. And you're sure that when you objected to it

you believed that this was the *only* reason for the change?
<JT> I believed that causing confusion was in fact the only reason for
the change, yes.
[MTM] Okay. That should allow Joe and I to reach a judgement. Thank you.

<JT> since the only way that confusion could arise would be an
exploitation of Malenkai's loophole, yes, I believed an exploitation of
Malenkai's loophole to be the only reason for the change.
 * JT grins.
 * JT swears to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
truth, unless you ask me about sexual affairs with Whitehouse interns :)

 * MTM bursts out laughing.
[MTM] And you are aware JT, that Malenkai's loophole is defined thusly:
[MTM] II. Malenkai's Loophole
[MTM]
[MTM] Exploiting lexical equivalence to alter, or attempt to alter, the
interpretation of a word or phrase in any Ackanomic document,
[MTM] [in the judgement of a judge], is Annoying.
<JT> Yes.
<JT> I believed you were attempting to alter or attempt tto alter the
interpretation of the phrase containing you real life name
<JT> in an effort to be annoying and confusing :)

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:45:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Head Apollo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 654 (Eris)

Although it seems that this cfj has become academic, I would appreciate any
advice or comments anyone could give on this cfj, private or public,
preferably someone who has read the rules (ie not me).

Eris (newbie)

>Call for Judgement 654 - September 4, 1998
>Subject: Existence of Current Government
>Initiator: breadbox (sent Sep 4 1998, 12:02 Acka)
>1st Judge: 404 Not Found (selected Sep 4 1998, 12:26 Acka) (deadbeat)
>2nd Judge: Eris

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:46:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Head Apollo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Scaremongrel Election

>Finally, it is time for an Election for the Office of Scaremonger. The
>Nominees are:
>
>JT
>Calvin N Hobbes
>Eris
>Weishaupt
>
>Reply to vote, assuming you care.
>
>breadbox
>already jaded
>

Care? CARE! Of course you should care. This is the most important office in
all Acka! Oh, except for speaker of course ... and clerk of the courts ...
and possibly tabulator ... Come to think of it this is the least important
office in Acka, but that's precisely why you should vote for me, Eris, a
pretty ineffectual newbie who has no chance of messing up the game for the
rest of you if you keep me occupied with pointless harf such as this. Oh
yes, just you wait, I could cause another quorum crisis like that ... you
can't tell but I snapped my fingers just then ... well actually I tried but
made a rather unsatisfying flapping sound instead. Just another example of
things I can't do.

I mean, if you gave this office to JT (whose resemblance to William Shatner
is non-existent) think of the consequences! There he is!!! performing his
ordinary and vital speaker duties!!!?!!?! and then someone accuses him of
having neglected his scaremongering!!!!! [snip frantic use of exclamation
marks] His entire fabric of self confidence crumbles!! He believes himself
unfit for any office!!! Acka disappears in a cloud of smoke! SMOKE I tell
you! And not that pleasant cigar smoke either, no, nasty coughy chimney
smoke! Smoke you wouldn't feed your cat! (Hang on I've lost myself ...)

And Weishaupt? Founder of the Bavarian Illuminati on May Day 1776? Is he not
himself the cause of the chaos in Acka? Did he himself not author the
infamous "names reverse" proposal?!!? Well? Didn't he? I ask you fellow
Ackazens ... (hang on there was a question here ... oh yes that's it) ... if
he is elected scaremonger, who will monger his scares? Will you? Would you
buy them? At those prices? (Uh-oh, losing it again.)

Unfortunately, I have nothing but good words for Calvin N Hobbes. I myself
talk to my stuffed tiger, so I can only sympathise.

Eris

(Forgetting to pace himself.)

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:46:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Head Apollo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ACKA:NEWBIE PRIDE!

>WOO-HOO!
>
>i just voted for the first time!  hall of elders, here i come!
>
>marsboy:
>moving at the speed of molasses...moving up hill...in january.
>
>

What is this "voting" of which you speak? I took about a week just to pick a
name.

Eris

(possibly moving _more_ s l o w l y)

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:48:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 661 (FALSE)

Vynd has judged this FALSE.

Call for Judgement 661 - September 11, 1998
Subject: Whamiol Trade
Initiator: Alfvaen (sent Sep 11 1998, 09:55 Acka)
Judge: Vynd (selected Sep 11 1998, 11:35 Acka)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:

Slakko had a Whamiol on September 8th, 1998 at noon.

Alfvaen's Reasoning:

Slakko posted, on the 8th at 03:43 Ackatime, the suggestion that SPAM
transfer its Whamiol to em.  Since apparently the other members of SPAM
have their approvals proxied, this was enough for the action to be
attempted.  However, since Gadgets in general(and Whamiols in specific)
are not gift entities, Slakko was required to accept the trade before it
occurred, and this did not happen.  (Just being the one to suggest a
trade to oneself doesn't qualify as acceptance, does it?)

For that matter, I don't believe that Slakko's more recent attempt
succeeded either, for the same reason.  But if the former attempt did
succeed, then e will have received some points(perhaps the maximum,
because it's been a long time since the Whamiol last awarded points to
its owner...)

Judge's reasoning:

I agree with the initiator, the trade did not occur.  To suggest that an
organization take an action of offering a trade is by no means the same
thing as accepting the trade once it is offered.  Indeed, in a situation
where approval was longer in coming, where the other members had not all
been proxied, the person who made the suggestion might not even want the
offered trade anymore. Furthermore, how can someone accept a trade which
has not yet been offered? I judge this FALSE.

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:49:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: ... And Justice for All

I become a Justice.

Could the CotC list the extant cortices and their owners,
or point to a web page with the info.  Thx.

saaremaa

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:52:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: ... And Justice for All

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Randy Hall wrote:

> I become a Justice.
> 
> Could the CotC list the extant cortices and their owners,
> or point to a web page with the info.  Thx.

The list of Officers and Holders of Unique Entities, available from the
Players section of the webpages.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:24:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: retract

Haiku are easy
and sonnets hard; i retract
three-five-seven-eight

- --Weishaupt

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:38:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: grafting

I graft onto the The Entity Formerly Known as the Supreme Court.

saaremaa
once the entity known as the supreme court a *long* time ago

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:25:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: A new voice in politics

I announce my intent to form an organization which is a political party
with the name "Giant Objectionable Potato" it may also be referred to as
the GOP.

It has standard admission policies as per Rule 007 Admissions Policies
("the organization may accept new members as an organizational action.")

If you want to join, reply with the phrase "I too appreciate the  potatoes
of yore."

Studge, pseudo-Founder of the GOP.

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:12:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: A new voice in politics

I too appreciate the potatoes of yore
I'll work for the party, then i'll work some more

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:26:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: OK - Here Goes... (

I return from Vacation.

I have found, as do many, that I do not have the time to keep up with
Ackanomic to the level that you all deserve (just looking through the
messages is becoming increasingly onerous due to a rather crap Internet
connection...).

So I hereby accept, on behalf of the Church to the Evil Ballot Stuffer,
the Otzma Card offered by Rex Mundi (if acceptance is required).

I offer 18 swingpoints to Slakko (or the player once known as Slakko), as
well as an Otzma Card of Type Paratroop in gratitude for introducing me to
Acka and for much help since then.

I offer 30 swingpoints
	2 Bonus Votes
	A Spellbook of Chorg (unread)
	A Scroll of Crumble
	2 Evil Ballot Stuffers (!!!)
	Otzma Card of Type Shield
	Otzma Card of Type Share your Income
	Otzma Card of Type Go Fish
	A Set of Steak Knives No. 99859
to the Church to the Evil Ballot Stuffer...

...which, on my say-so as Founder, accepts them.

I gift The Stand-up Righteous Guy to JT, with thanks and because he is
one himself.

I gift the Statue of Snowgod made entirely of Blue Jello to Rex Mundi in
gratitude for a burden shouldered.

I offer an Otzma Card of Type Founder's Boon to Rex Mundi.

I gift all my Ackadollars to the Twits, because I feel like one. (I think
that's A$12)

I will wait until Rex Mundi and Slakko have accepted before leaving, but
basically, Good Bye everyone!

Koxvolio

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