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ackanomic digest      Tuesday, September 8 1998      Volume 03 : Number 307

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:18:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Presidential Nomination

> Ummm. 
> K 2's term as President expired on the 28th of August.
> We could probably do with an election soon....

Indeed we could, couldn't we?

*ahem*

I hereby announce a Nomination for the Office of President. Reply to
this message to nomination yourself.

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:21:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Nomination for Scaremonger

>> I resign as scaremonger.
> 
> I request that a nomination be held for this office.

I hereby announce a Nomination for the Office of Scaremonger. Reply to
this message to nominate yourself.

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:23:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: oops

i accidentally sent two messages with the subject french-scotsman instead
of acka: french scotsman.  i apologise.

- -Weishaupt

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:28:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: oops

>i accidentally sent two messages with the subject french-scotsman instead
>of acka: french scotsman.  i apologise.
>
>-Weishaupt

I think newbies should lose points for this. I don't see them whine enough
about how difficult and hard life is in Acka.   ; )

CnH
would-be scaremonger extraordinaire

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:36:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: acka: rafting

> Lets go rafting!

I'm willing.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Corey Hart:Young Man Running
Current Book--John M. Ford:Web of Angels
Been five-o'clock shadowboxin' all around the town

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:39:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: rafting

On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>> Lets go rafting!
>
>I'm willing.

I was willing before, and am willing again.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:43:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Roses

Someone just asked me if they could specify the roll that they wanted the
answer too.  Since I didn't specify in the map, as long as the roll wasn't
one of the ones in the actual treasure, I would probably allow it.  Had I 
considered that before hand, I would have explicitly allowed it.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:30:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Roses

At 07:43 PM 9/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Someone just asked me if they could specify the roll that they wanted the
>answer too.  Since I didn't specify in the map, as long as the roll wasn't
>one of the ones in the actual treasure, I would probably allow it.  Had I 
>considered that before hand, I would have explicitly allowed it.
>
>--JT
>
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i pay A$30 and buy the following 3 rolls:

15512
31111
51111 

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:41:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CSR 155

CSR 155 was accepted without objection this morning. Thus, I believe
we are currently in a Democracy, and we all can definitely vote once
more. I believe that the retroactive portion of the CSR has had the
intended effect, so that all of our votes have been counted normally.
In fact, I can't help but wonder if that portion would have also
permitted non-voting players to vote as well; fortunately, no one
tried to test that.

If the need to have this situation resolved had not been so great, I
probably would have objected to CSR 155. I feel that the retroactive
effect was unnecessary - we could have gone three days without being
able to vote without any real harm - and potentially dangerous. If
nothing else, it complicates the verdict on my CFJ.

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:42:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure burial

>Now, the puzzle:
>
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>|     ||o    ||o   o||     ||     |
>|  o  ||  o  ||  o  ||  o  ||  o  |  ==30
>|     ||    o||o   o||     ||     |
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>|o    ||o    ||o   o||o    ||o   o|
>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 8
>|    o||    o||o   o||    o||o   o|
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>|o   o||o   o||o    ||o   o||o    |
>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 16
>|o   o||o   o||    o||o   o||    o|
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>|     ||o   o||o    ||o   o||o    |
>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 8
>|     ||o   o||    o||o   o||    o|
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>|     ||o    ||o   o||o    ||     |
>|  o  ||  o  ||o   o||     ||  o  |  == 6
>|     ||    o||o   o||    o||     |
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>
>
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 21:50:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Pototo (Piz)

Piz has found the potato this week.
Thus Studge has the tuba.

- --JT, OiCoRT

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 21:54:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: We have another one!

Bryan Federico (email: [email-masked]) joins us as a voting player
under the name of Altra the FireCat.

He says that he joins the game at the urging of Studge.
Unfortunately, Studge cannot be his mentor (he's already mentoring
Weishaupt) so Mr. Tambourine Man has been chosen from the Mentor Pool to
be Altra the FireCat's mentor.

Studge and Altra the FireCat do however recieve the comemorative trinkets
as Sponsor and Sponsee.

Welcome to the game Altra.

- --JT, Registrar.

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 22:05:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure burial

On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>Now, the puzzle:
>>
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>|     ||o    ||o   o||     ||     |
>>|  o  ||  o  ||  o  ||  o  ||  o  |  ==30
>>|     ||    o||o   o||     ||     |
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>|o    ||o    ||o   o||o    ||o   o|
>>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 8
>>|    o||    o||o   o||    o||o   o|
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>|o   o||o   o||o    ||o   o||o    |
>>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 16
>>|o   o||o   o||    o||o   o||    o|
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>|     ||o   o||o    ||o   o||o    |
>>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 8
>>|     ||o   o||    o||o   o||    o|
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>|     ||o    ||o   o||o    ||     |
>>|  o  ||  o  ||o   o||     ||  o  |  == 6
>>|     ||    o||o   o||    o||     |
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+

Two things.

First: this was in fact the correct set of answers, and thus Weishaupt has
found the treasure consisting of the 'Petals Enhance the Rose' and
'Initiate of the Modified Rose' trinkets.

The map was identical to the following:
>This treasure will be found by the first person to publicly quote the
>rolls below and fill in the correct answers.  If the answer to any
>individual role is wrong the entire answer is wrong.   A player may
>publically offer the player with the RL name of JT Traub A$10, and ask to
>privately recieve another roll along with it's answer.  The roll given
>will not match any of the ones in the puzzle or on the 'Petals Enhance
>the Rose' trinket.  A player may purchase as many additional rolls as
>they wish.  I will note here and now that this is the entire map in full
>and unencoded.  Playing a map shard will not help.
>
>If you are Initiate of the Rose in RL, I do as that you not try for this
>treasure as you will probably have an easier time of it, as this treasure
>is inspired by the game which gave you that distinction.   If you do not
>know what this paragraph refers to, then you can definately try to find
>this treasure :)
>Now, the puzzle:
>
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>|     ||o    ||o   o||     ||     |
>|  o  ||  o  ||  o  ||  o  ||  o  |  == 30
>|     ||    o||o   o||     ||     |
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>|o    ||o    ||o   o||o    ||o   o|
>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 8
>|    o||    o||o   o||    o||o   o|
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>|o   o||o   o||o    ||o   o||o    |
>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 16
>|o   o||o   o||    o||o   o||    o|
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>|     ||o   o||o    ||o   o||o    |
>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 8
>|     ||o   o||    o||o   o||    o|
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>|     ||o    ||o   o||o    ||     |
>|  o  ||  o  ||o   o||     ||  o  |  == 6
>|     ||    o||o   o||    o||     |
>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+

Second:  In the map, I asked people who were Initiates of the Rose to
please not try for this treasure, but I didn't forbid them.  Weishaupt
admitted to me after submitting the answer to this that he had in fact
seen the game Petals Around the Rose (which this puzzle was based on)
in the past.  He had considered it and discarded it as an answer because I
used a variant.   So, while he did in fact find the treasure, I consider
his finding of it to be in slightly poor taste.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 22:46:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: rafting

On 9/8/98 JT wrote:
>On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>>> Lets go rafting!
>>
>>I'm willing.
>
>I was willing before, and am willing again.
>

If I have the raft and everything's groovy, I join this rafting trip.

However, I suspect that I lost the raft several days ago (this is a
suspection only because I can't find the message that indicated the new
raft holder).

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 22:47:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:Home sweet home

Here is a description of my home, named "Studge's Anachronistic Hive
Palace": While its deep core is a framework of carbon buckytubes and
manufactured diamond, the surface of Studge's Anachronistic Hive Palace is
covered in a solidified, fire-resistant, resin with a blue-green tint
(which few people know is the color, named Reuce, of decayed rules).  It
has many openings that look kind of like the breathing hole on an Octopus.
Tennis-ball-sized wasps, are constantly entering and leaving through these
holes, though they never enter the domicile inside.  They live in the walls
and are constantly rebuilding it, using bits of deleted rules gathered from
where they lie in the streets of the city.  Shaped like a Kline Bottle and
floating above the ground, my home contains mysterious machines whose
rumblings (which can be heard in all neighboring Kaas) warp the very fabric
of space-time itself.  Entry is gained from the top and the atrium's long
hall leads back in time and then forward, past the current time and finally
right back to the opening in the present.  At the furthest point back, a
portal in the hall allows access to the corpus of the building which
remains in the time before Acka was created.  (It is rumored by those who
rumor that the machines which do this use dicarded pieces of Rule 103
(Retroactive Effects).)  The outside which is seen currently, is from after
the Great Thread Split.

Overall, it gives the impression of opulence, as if it belonged to someone
more important than Studge in the past.

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 22:50:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: rafting

On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Mueller wrote:
>On 9/8/98 JT wrote:
>>On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>>>> Lets go rafting!
>>>
>>>I'm willing.
>>
>>I was willing before, and am willing again.
>>
>
>If I have the raft and everything's groovy, I join this rafting trip.

You do not have the Raft.  MTM does.  Sorry Studge.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 23:13:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: Tabula

> Actually, I'd already thrown my hat in the ring to breadbox privately.
> However, if someone else wants the job they can have it - I do have rather
> a lot on my plate as it is.

Slakko, you've always had WAY too many jobs :)  That's why I volunteer to 
take the job..

- ---
Imperial Emporer and Moderator of the Fantasy Wargame Design Project
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/1047/fw_index.html

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 23:26:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure Burial

Well, I feel like an utter and complete idiot now.

I had when I had written up that treasure, in the map I had on my machine,
put in that paragraph about please don't find the treasure if you are an
Initiate of the Rose..   However, the map I posted was missing this
paragraph.. *DOH!*

I hereby donate A$10 to the twits and apologize to Weishaupt for what I
said.  His finding the treasure was not in poor taste because he had no
way to know that I had that 'restriction' in there.

Culpa mea, culpa mea, I lash myself with 10 wet noodles.

- --JT, embarrased.

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 23:26:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure burial

At 10:05 PM 9/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>>Now, the puzzle:
>>>
>>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>>|     ||o    ||o   o||     ||     |
>>>|  o  ||  o  ||  o  ||  o  ||  o  |  ==30
>>>|     ||    o||o   o||     ||     |
>>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>>
>>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>>|o    ||o    ||o   o||o    ||o   o|
>>>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 8
>>>|    o||    o||o   o||    o||o   o|
>>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>>
>>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>>|o   o||o   o||o    ||o   o||o    |
>>>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 16
>>>|o   o||o   o||    o||o   o||    o|
>>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>>
>>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>>|     ||o   o||o    ||o   o||o    |
>>>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 8
>>>|     ||o   o||    o||o   o||    o|
>>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>>
>>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>>|     ||o    ||o   o||o    ||     |
>>>|  o  ||  o  ||o   o||     ||  o  |  == 6
>>>|     ||    o||o   o||    o||     |
>>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>
>Two things.
>
>First: this was in fact the correct set of answers, and thus Weishaupt has
>found the treasure consisting of the 'Petals Enhance the Rose' and
>'Initiate of the Modified Rose' trinkets.
>
>The map was identical to the following:
>>This treasure will be found by the first person to publicly quote the
>>rolls below and fill in the correct answers.  If the answer to any
>>individual role is wrong the entire answer is wrong.   A player may
>>publically offer the player with the RL name of JT Traub A$10, and ask to
>>privately recieve another roll along with it's answer.  The roll given
>>will not match any of the ones in the puzzle or on the 'Petals Enhance
>>the Rose' trinket.  A player may purchase as many additional rolls as
>>they wish.  I will note here and now that this is the entire map in full
>>and unencoded.  Playing a map shard will not help.
>>
>>If you are Initiate of the Rose in RL, I do as that you not try for this
>>treasure as you will probably have an easier time of it, as this treasure
>>is inspired by the game which gave you that distinction.   If you do not
>>know what this paragraph refers to, then you can definately try to find
>>this treasure :)
>>Now, the puzzle:
>>
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>|     ||o    ||o   o||     ||     |
>>|  o  ||  o  ||  o  ||  o  ||  o  |  == 30
>>|     ||    o||o   o||     ||     |
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>|o    ||o    ||o   o||o    ||o   o|
>>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 8
>>|    o||    o||o   o||    o||o   o|
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>|o   o||o   o||o    ||o   o||o    |
>>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 16
>>|o   o||o   o||    o||o   o||    o|
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>|     ||o   o||o    ||o   o||o    |
>>|  o  ||     ||     ||  o  ||     |  == 8
>>|     ||o   o||    o||o   o||    o|
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>>|     ||o    ||o   o||o    ||     |
>>|  o  ||  o  ||o   o||     ||  o  |  == 6
>>|     ||    o||o   o||    o||     |
>>+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
>
>
>Second:  In the map, I asked people who were Initiates of the Rose to
>please not try for this treasure, but I didn't forbid them.  Weishaupt
>admitted to me after submitting the answer to this that he had in fact
>seen the game Petals Around the Rose (which this puzzle was based on)
>in the past.  He had considered it and discarded it as an answer because I
>used a variant.   So, while he did in fact find the treasure, I consider
>his finding of it to be in slightly poor taste.
>
>--JT

I have been slandered!!! JT misquotes his treasure message!  it never said
anything about the previous puzzle!  i never knew!  no poor taste!  no
repressed guilt!  no unmitigated life crisis due to the knowledge of sin!
really!  really!

- -weishaupt 

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