Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #299
From: [email-masked] (ackanomic digest)
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ackanomic digest       Friday, September 4 1998       Volume 03 : Number 299

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 01:39:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: A gift for JT

I create a trinket worth A$12 named "JT's pile of ackadollar dust" with
the description "It looks like a mole of carbon."

This trinket is a forgery, so it is immediately transferred to JT.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:40:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : gift

In that case, 
As Founder of Odo on the Worm Hole, state that Odo takes the following
Organizational Action:
Gift all trinkets that the string Jukarsavi in their name to /dev/joe
Niccolo Flychuck

On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Kelly Hubert Kelly wrote:

> A null action ;)
> 
> Odo owns all of the trinkets formerly owned by Niccolo Flychuck.
> 
> K 2
> 
> Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> > I gift all Jukkarsavi fragments which I own to /dev/joe
> >
> > Niccolo Flychuck
> 
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> 

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 05:16:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 641 (FALSE)

rufus has judged this one FALSE.

Call for Judgement 641 - August 4, 1998
Subject: True Names
Initiator: K 2 (Sent 4 Aug 1998, 14:32 Acka time)
1st Judge: Niccolo Flychuck (selected 06 Aug 1998, 18:25 Acka) (deadbeat)
2nd Judge: J. M. Bear (selected 15 Aug 1998, 03:52 Acka) (deadbeat)
3rd Judge: Memo (selected 22 Aug 1998, 04:35 Acka) (deadbeat)
4th Judge: rufus (selected 29 Aug 1998, 18:58 Acka) 
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:
No player of Ackanomic has ever had an Ackanomic name (as distinct from
a real name) of Tom Walmsley.

Reasoning:
When the entity then known as
a-collection-of-numbers-that-I-can-never-remember-which-relate-in-some-manne
r-to-the-string-"Jenny"
attempted to change eir name the registrar (JT - an altogether easier
name to remember) objected on the grounds of "Malenkai's Loophole". As a
result the change did not occur.

Judge's Reasoning:
False.  JT lacked the power to deny the change.

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 09:38:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 653 (two-star)

> Call for Judgement 653 - September 2, 1998
> 
> Statement:
> breadbox is Historian.
> 
> Initiator's Reasoning:
> I don't know. K 2 (I think) said the office was absent. Slakko says it
> isn't. If either of them (or breadbox) has any additional information
> then I owuld hope they would make it public to help whoever is selected
> here. Whichever way it goes we really should know.

Okay. Here's what happened.

saaremaa called for "an end to this banna republic". This was while I
was filling in as Count Tabula, MTM being on vacation. I received no
explicit nominations besides my own. (saaremaa was nominated
automatically.) saaremaa then left the game before the Nomination was
completed, so he was removed from consideration.

I don't blame people for being confused, since I didn't make any
announcement of the results. (I was behind in almost every one of my
Count Tabula duties.) I think someone stated that the nomination was
aborted when saaremaa left the game - which was incorrect, but since
it amounted to the same thing, I left it at that.

breadbox

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 09:42:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Return, however fleeting

> 	I offer Valaurkar to breadbox

Does Valaurkar even exist? I guess it was created before we fixed that
little problem with repealing Blueprints....

I accept, assuming that this trade is possible.

breadbox

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:06:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Org Hrferness

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Kelly Hubert Kelly wrote:
> > > The Church of the Righteous Loophold Surfers is a cult
> > 
> > I leave the church of the righteous Loophold surfers, mumbling something
> > about damn typos on the way out.
> 
> Have you considered mumbling something about damn research?
I guess I must have forgotten my umbrella.  I leave the Church  of the
righteous Loophold surfers, for real this time, mumbling about the commies
and how they are taking over the post office.

I create a trinket called "Damn Research", value $a2, with the description
"If I had a nickel...".  I give this trinket to Slakko.

rufus

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:58:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: viva revolution!

I go into revolt, rebellion, or whatever it is we are doing.

ruufws

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:58:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: viva revolution!

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, David Scheidt wrote:
>I go into revolt, rebellion, or whatever it is we are doing.

I also rebel.

- --TJ

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:09:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Random Guardian Angel (404 Not Found)

404 Not Found recieves the guardian angel created by P3494s passage.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:26:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 654 (404 Not Found)

404 Not Found has been selected.

Call for Judgement 654 - September 4, 1998
Subject: Existence of Current Government
Initiator: breadbox (sent Sep 4 1998, 12:02 Acka)
Judge: 404 Not Found
Judgement:

Statement:

There is at this time no Current Government of Ackanomia.

Reasoning:

The "Current Government of Ackanomia" is regulated by Rule 320, newly
created by Proposal 3495.

Now, Rule 320 states (among other things):

  If no Government Type is Active then the Government Type Anarchy (if
  it exists) becomes Active.

and the final effect of Proposal 3495 was:

  {{The Current Government of Ackanomia is set to Democracy.}}

Okay so far. However, Rule 320 has this to say about the existence of
Government Types:

  All existing Government Types are defined by rules within this rule
  suite, and then only by rules with a name "Government Type: " where
  is replaced by a legal Ackanomic name. The name of the Government
  Type as specified in that rule shall then be. Such rules, and only
  such rules, are known as Governmental Rules.

Now, I'm still not 100% sure what effect the above has, but I'm fairly
certain that, no matter what, there is currently no Government Type of
either Democracy or Anarchy. Even if you believe that any of the rules
in the Governments Rule Suite fulfill the above requirements, the
Government Types they create are certainly not named "Democracy" or
"Anarchy". If anything, they seem to be named "" (which would be
illegal by Rule 348, but this Rule may take precedence numerically).

All of which leaves us with no Current Government of Ackanomia.

(I'm tempted to throw in some comments on the dangers of voting on a
proposal's concept while ignoring its implementation, but this is not
a soapbox.)

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:29:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

Rig R. Mortis has been selected.

Call for Judgement 655 - September 4, 1998
Subject: Voting Eligibility
Initiator: breadbox (sent Sep 4 1998, 12:02 Acka)
Judge: Rig R. Mortis
Judgement:

Statement:

breadbox is eligible to vote on proposals.

Reasoning:

If my other CFJ is ruled False, then this CFJ must almost certainly be
True. So, assuming the truth of the statement "There is no Current
Government of Ackanomia", where does that leave me?

Rule 106 only states how the players that are eligible to vote on
proposals may do so. (Though note that Voting Players are specifically
permitted to abstain.) And who is eligible to vote? It is nowhere
specified in the rules. Rule 320 specifies no provisions for the
situation when there is no Current Government and Anarchy is not an
existing Government Type.

The fact that I was eligible to vote before Proposal 3495 was adopted
doesn't help. Suffrage is not an entity; it is not guaranteed to
continue existing when the rules that granted it are removed.

Nor can we fall back on "permissibility of the unprohibited", since
the right to vote is clearly still regulated by Rule 106.

The only conclusion I can come to is that no players have been granted
the ability to vote on proposals at this time.

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:34:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

> Call for Judgement 655 - September 4, 1998

> Rule 106 only states how the players that are eligible to vote on
> proposals may do so. (Though note that Voting Players are specifically
> permitted to abstain.) And who is eligible to vote? It is nowhere
> specified in the rules. Rule 320 specifies no provisions for the
> situation when there is no Current Government and Anarchy is not an
> existing Government Type.
> 
> The fact that I was eligible to vote before Proposal 3495 was adopted
> doesn't help. Suffrage is not an entity; it is not guaranteed to
> continue existing when the rules that granted it are removed.
> 
> Nor can we fall back on "permissibility of the unprohibited", since
> the right to vote is clearly still regulated by Rule 106.
> 
> The only conclusion I can come to is that no players have been granted
> the ability to vote on proposals at this time.

Sounds like a time for a CSR to (a) renumber the misplaced government rule,
and (b) fix the null replacement in the rule defining governments which was
one of the reasons I voted against that proposal. [or (c), undo the entire
thing...]

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:41:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> > Call for Judgement 655 - September 4, 1998
> 
> > Rule 106 only states how the players that are eligible to vote on
> > proposals may do so. (Though note that Voting Players are specifically
> > permitted to abstain.) And who is eligible to vote? It is nowhere
> > specified in the rules. Rule 320 specifies no provisions for the
> > situation when there is no Current Government and Anarchy is not an
> > existing Government Type.
> > 
> > The only conclusion I can come to is that no players have been granted
> > the ability to vote on proposals at this time.
> 
> Sounds like a time for a CSR to (a) renumber the misplaced government rule,
> and (b) fix the null replacement in the rule defining governments which was
> one of the reasons I voted against that proposal. [or (c), undo the entire
> thing...]

Currently I believe we may be alright.  If breadbox is correct, and there
is no government type, then the rules make no explicit specification about
who is eligible to vote.  However, there are a class of players known as
Voting players.  In the absence of any other definition, common English
usage would win, and so Voting players, and only Voting players, could
vote.

Just my two Ackapennies.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:41:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

> Sounds like a time for a CSR to (a) renumber the misplaced government rule,
> and (b) fix the null replacement in the rule defining governments which was
> one of the reasons I voted against that proposal. [or (c), undo the entire
> thing...]

If we do decide that a CSR is necessary, will the CSRR Officer please
also use this opportunity to add to Rule 320 "a phrase or sentence in
notes brackets which can serve as a link" that is more suitable than
the current one?

breadbox
following the rules, no matter how goofy they make the rules look

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:44:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> If we do decide that a CSR is necessary, will the CSRR Officer please

Do we have a CSSR Officer?

ruufs

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:46:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

>Sounds like a time for a CSR to (a) renumber the misplaced government rule,
>and (b) fix the null replacement in the rule defining governments which was
>one of the reasons I voted against that proposal. [or (c), undo the entire
>thing...]
>
>/dev/joe

Please wait on renumbering the rule; i have a proposal coming that includes
a renumbering and the effects of the proposal might get messed up if the
gov type was numbered correctly before then.

Weishaupt

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:02:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: viva revolution!

David Scheidt wrote:

> I go into revolt, rebellion, or whatever it is we are doing.

I too set my rebeliousness characteristic to "on". I have to say I am
very surprised that this proposal passed but also very pleased.

Mr. Tambo.

- --
Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:02:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Silver Moon

In the silver moon hearing JT  received four votes, I received three,
AtP two and K 2 one. This means that JT wins the silver moon.
Congratulations JT.

MTM.

- --
Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:10:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael Pizolato" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: viva revolution!

MTM wrote:
:David Scheidt wrote:
:> I go into revolt, rebellion, or whatever it is we are doing.
:
:I too set my rebeliousness characteristic to "on". I have to say I am
:very surprised that this proposal passed but also very pleased.

I am also revolting.

Wait, uh, that didn't come out the way I wanted it to. I'll start again...

I also join the revolution.

Piz ;-)

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:15:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> >Sounds like a time for a CSR to (a) renumber the misplaced government rule,
> >and (b) fix the null replacement in the rule defining governments which was
> >one of the reasons I voted against that proposal. [or (c), undo the entire
> >thing...]
> >
> >/dev/joe
> 
> Please wait on renumbering the rule; i have a proposal coming that includes
> a renumbering and the effects of the proposal might get messed up if the
> gov type was numbered correctly before then.
> 
> Weishaupt
> 

Ah, but if what breadbox is saying is correct, your proposal will fail
because no one can vote on it.

Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:28:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

> Do we have a CSSR Officer?

We do. I only announced my intent to resign or whatever it's called.

I shall not issue this CSR yet but will do sometime tonight if there are no
further comments.

- ----

Append the following text to the end of rule 320:

"[Link to the governments]"

Replace the following OOPS delimited text with the following SORRY!
delimited text:

OOPS
All existing Government Types are defined by rules within this rule suite,
and then only by rules with a name "Government Type: " where is replaced by
a legal Ackanomic name. The name of the Government Type as specified in
that rule shall then be . Such rules, and only such rules, are known as
Governmental Rules.
OOPS

SORRY
All existing Government Types are defined by rules within this rule suite,
and then only by rules with a name "Government Type: X" where X is replaced
by a legal Ackanomic name. The name of the Government Type as specified in
that rule shall then be . Such rules, and only such rules, are known as
Governmental Rules.
SORRY

Renmuber rule 1390.8 to 320.6

MTM.

- --
Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:28:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 654 (404 Not Found)

>(I'm tempted to throw in some comments on the dangers of voting on a
>proposal's concept while ignoring its implementation, but this is not
>a soapbox.)

TJ points breadbox to Guy Fawke's soapbox.

- --TJ

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:33:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:
>Sounds like a time for a CSR to (a) renumber the misplaced government rule,
>and (b) fix the null replacement in the rule defining governments which was
>one of the reasons I voted against that proposal. [or (c), undo the entire
>thing...]

Unfortunately the person who proposed this is also the CSRR, so (c) is
unlikely.  K2 is the president and unlikely to remove it if I declare a
state of emergency given that I seem to recall K2 ardently supporting i
(with a tammany bribe and an amber banana tree vote).

However, just to give one more avenue of fixing this, I declare the game
to be in a state of Crisis.  I will lift the state of crisis once the
players can once more vote.

- --TJ, who voted against this proposal.

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:36:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
>SORRY
>All existing Government Types are defined by rules within this rule suite,
>and then only by rules with a name "Government Type: X" where X is replaced
>by a legal Ackanomic name. The name of the Government Type as specified in
>that rule shall then be . Such rules, and only such rules, are known as

Shall then be what?  I think you are missing an 'X' there.

- --TJ

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:38:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Nomicon

I go to the library and enter *that* room before returning home.

- --TJ

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:41:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Silver Moon

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
>In the silver moon hearing JT  received four votes, I received three,
>AtP two and K 2 one. This means that JT wins the silver moon.
>Congratulations JT.

Upon hearing my name called out as the winner of the Silver Moon, I stand
for a moment in rapt contemplation of Pheobe who inadvertantly led me here
even though I didn't realize it at the time.

I most graciously accept both the Silver Moon and the cash prize, and wish
to thank everyone who made it possible for me to be here tonight :)

- --TJ, short and succint

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:43:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Ackanomicon Determination

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:58:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

> On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
> >SORRY
> >All existing Government Types are defined by rules within this rule suite,
> >and then only by rules with a name "Government Type: X" where X is replaced
> >by a legal Ackanomic name. The name of the Government Type as specified in
> >that rule shall then be . Such rules, and only such rules, are known as
> 
> Shall then be what?  I think you are missing an 'X' there.

In addition, you need to add a {{}} bit to make Democracy the active
government type, since if there were no government types, that action
most certainly failed before, or else we'll go straight into anarchy.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 14:19:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

At 01:15 PM 9/4/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>
>> >Sounds like a time for a CSR to (a) renumber the misplaced government
rule,
>> >and (b) fix the null replacement in the rule defining governments which
was
>> >one of the reasons I voted against that proposal. [or (c), undo the entire
>> >thing...]
>> >
>> >/dev/joe
>> 
>> Please wait on renumbering the rule; i have a proposal coming that includes
>> a renumbering and the effects of the proposal might get messed up if the
>> gov type was numbered correctly before then.
>> 
>> Weishaupt
>> 
>
>Ah, but if what breadbox is saying is correct, your proposal will fail
>because no one can vote on it.
>
>Vynd
>
>[email-masked]
> 

I just mean that when fixing the problem, by whatever means, leave that
rule misplaced.  I have no objection to fixing the other problem, (b).

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 14:33:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

At 02:19 PM 9/4/98 -0400, you wrote:
>At 01:15 PM 9/4/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>
>>> >Sounds like a time for a CSR to (a) renumber the misplaced government
>rule,
>>> >and (b) fix the null replacement in the rule defining governments which
>was
>>> >one of the reasons I voted against that proposal. [or (c), undo the
entire
>>> >thing...]
>>> >
>>> >/dev/joe
>>> 
>>> Please wait on renumbering the rule; i have a proposal coming that
includes
>>> a renumbering and the effects of the proposal might get messed up if the
>>> gov type was numbered correctly before then.
>>> 
>>> Weishaupt
>>> 
>>
>>Ah, but if what breadbox is saying is correct, your proposal will fail
>>because no one can vote on it.
>>
>>Vynd
>>
>>[email-masked]
>> 
>
>I just mean that when fixing the problem, by whatever means, leave that
>rule misplaced.  I have no objection to fixing the other problem, (b).
> 

How many rows of >>>>'s do you think we can get?

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 14:35:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>> Please wait on renumbering the rule; i have a proposal coming that includes
>>> a renumbering and the effects of the proposal might get messed up if the
>>> gov type was numbered correctly before then.
>>
>>Ah, but if what breadbox is saying is correct, your proposal will fail
>>because no one can vote on it.
>
>I just mean that when fixing the problem, by whatever means, leave that
>rule misplaced.  I have no objection to fixing the other problem, (b).

I think you are going to be out of luck on that regards Weishaupt.  I
suspect that the rule is going to be renumbered.

- --TJ

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 14:44:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 655 (Rig R. Mortis)

At 02:35 PM 9/4/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>>>> Please wait on renumbering the rule; i have a proposal coming that
includes
>>>> a renumbering and the effects of the proposal might get messed up if the
>>>> gov type was numbered correctly before then.
>>>
>>>Ah, but if what breadbox is saying is correct, your proposal will fail
>>>because no one can vote on it.
>>
>>I just mean that when fixing the problem, by whatever means, leave that
>>rule misplaced.  I have no objection to fixing the other problem, (b).
>
>I think you are going to be out of luck on that regards Weishaupt.  I
>suspect that the rule is going to be renumbered.
>
>--TJ
>
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Actually, now that i look at my wording, i realize that it doesn't matter.
It'll just renumber from 320.6 to 320.6 

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 14:46:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Thrall

Prop: Player -> Overlord
3489: two-star -> Alfvaen
3494: Calvin N Hobbes -> Mr. Tambourine Man
3495: Alfvaen -> Mr. Tambourine Man
3496: Mr. Tambourine Man -> rufus

Yours,
Slakko
Thrallmaster
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:14:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Org Hrferness

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, David Scheidt wrote:

> I create a trinket called "Damn Research", value $a2, with the description
> "If I had a nickel...".  I give this trinket to Slakko.

Thank you kindly.

I create a trinket called "A Nickel", value A$1, with the description:

"You have a nickel.
 What Now?>"

I give A Nickel to rufus.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 18:44:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Award

I award Mr Tambourine Man his first gold stripe due to his BCR reaching
60 with recent proposals.

/dev/joe
Senator

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 18:59:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Award

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> I award Mr Tambourine Man his first gold stripe due to his BCR reaching
> 60 with recent proposals.

Seeing as no-one has noticed for weeks:
As Senator, I am awarding myself a silver stripe for reaching a BCR of
120.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:18:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CSR 154

I am using my power as CSRR (prolly for the last time) to issue CSR 154
as delimited by DUH:

DUH
Append the following text to the end of rule 320:

"[Link to the governments]"

Replace the following OOPS delimited text with the following SORRY!
delimited text:

OOPS
All existing Government Types are defined by rules within this rule
suite,
and then only by rules with a name "Government Type: " where is replaced
by
a legal Ackanomic name. The name of the Government Type as specified in
that rule shall then be . Such rules, and only such rules, are known as
Governmental Rules.
OOPS

SORRY
All existing Government Types are defined by rules within this rule
suite,
and then only by rules with a name "Government Type: X" where X is
replaced
by a legal Ackanomic name. The name of the Government Type as specified
in
that rule shall then be X (as used above). Such rules, and only such
rules, are known as
Governmental Rules.
SORRY

Renmuber rule 1390.8 to 320.6

Create a new rule reading as follows:

"{{The current government of Ackanomia is set to Democracy. All votes
cast by any players since the adoption 3495 are counted. This rule takes
precedence over rule 103 (Retroactive Effects)}}"
DUH

MTM, CSRR.

- --
Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:33:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSR 154

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
> 
> Create a new rule reading as follows:

presumably, this creates a rule in the Miscellaneous Rule Suite?  then the
following won't work.

> 
> "{{The current government of Ackanomia is set to Democracy. All votes
> cast by any players since the adoption 3495 are counted. This rule
> takes precedence over rule 103 (Retroactive Effects)}}" DUH

therefore, I object to this CSR

rufus

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:38:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Really belated award

I am giving pTang1001001sos a Blue Cross.  I don't know if he never got one
and left the game before he could get his award, or if it got lost in one
of those zombie master accidents, but in any case now that he is an iced
player instead of an undead, I can give him one.

I also note, for K2's records, that Mr Tambourine Man's 3 silver stripes
were destroyed, and K2's silver stripes should have been destroyed when
e got a gold stripe some time ago.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:58:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: viva revolution!

From: TJ <[email-masked]>
>On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, David Scheidt wrote:
>>I go into revolt, rebellion, or whatever it is we are doing.
>
>I also rebel.
>
>--TJ
>
And I do the same, whatever it is.

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:59:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Nominations and such

> Also, I support the Moral Kiosk's most recent action (which eludes me at
> the moment).  I proxy my support to the Moral Kiosk.

I also Proxy my support for the moment...

Koxvolio

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 20:08:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Nominations and such

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Ian K. wrote:
>> Also, I support the Moral Kiosk's most recent action (which eludes me at
>> the moment).  I proxy my support to the Moral Kiosk.
>
>I also Proxy my support for the moment...

Since Koxvolio is On-Ice, I don't believe this has any effect.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 20:13:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ah-ha!

I return. I bet some of you never noticed I was gone.

Hello, everyone!

Sorry for my recent inaction, and AWOLness; I am usually in for about 8
hours a week at the moment since I started running summer schools...

I go on vacation, expected return date around about the 5th of October.

Goodbye, for now.

(if anyone needs to get hold of me, send an email without Acka in the
subject line, ideally)

Koxvolio

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 20:15:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Nominations and such

> >I also Proxy my support for the moment...
> 
> Since Koxvolio is On-Ice, I don't believe this has any effect.

Yes, yes. OK- I return from vacation. Yawn, brief break.

I proxy my support to the Moral Kiosk.

I thumb my nose at Slakko for using my own trick on me with respect to
Chess Checking.

I go on vacation, (again) with expected return date the 5th of October.

Koxvolio

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 20:20:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Nominations and such

From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Date: 03 September 1998 22:03
>If I am allowed to do so, I support else...if's nomination to the Hall
>of Elders.
>
I do likewise.

>Also, I support the Moral Kiosk's most recent action (which eludes me at
>the moment).  I proxy my support to the Moral Kiosk.
>
It was to use its secret lab to create a GBS in my possession.

Rex Mundi.

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