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ackanomic digest     Wednesday, September 2 1998     Volume 03 : Number 296

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 01:33:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe (Alfvaen)

It was only as I was in the last phases of gathering up Agenda Conditions
(although still unable to post them)that I remembered the matchbox that
had been sitting upon my desk for the past several days.  But I had been
absent so much recently, and consumed with my work on the days that I
had been in Tamson House, that I had never gotten around to opening it.
Only now, when I was brought to mind of it by other matters, it was
gone, and I sorrowed.

Oh, well, at least I'm Harfmeister...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper:Root Hog Or Die
Current Book--Piers Anthony:Unicorn Point
We now return you to your regularly scheduled technical difficulties.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 01:40:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Phoebe (Wild Card)

I had missed that the Phoebe deadline passed today.  I only blame this on
the fact that I have been very busy at work recently.

Wild Card has found Phoebe.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 04:11:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kelly Hubert Kelly <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: One sick puppy.

In the Public Health Emergency against Piz it was found:

(7) Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!
Rex Mundi & EBS
Slakko & EBS
AtP
Studge
K 2
Piz

with the following voting country to observed facts ;-) :

(5) No, e, uh, meant to do that.
ThinMan & EBS
JT & EBS
Alfvaen

Thus it is my duty as Medical Examiner to prescribe a course of action
for Piz to correct eir errant ways. It is usual in these cases for the
patient to say "hubert" as many times as they are able. Since the
subject has already undertaken this course of action, I would instead
encourage em to have other players to say it on eir behalf, this will
have a synergistic effect and complete recovery should ensue shortly
thereafter.

K 2
Medical Examiner

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 04:11:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kelly Hubert Kelly <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Registrarness

Runestone of Jukkasjarvi Fragment #11 has been destroyed, a moment of
silence
please.

K 2

JT wrote:

> It is my unpleasant duty to inform you that Karma has become a Non-Player.
>
> --JT
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 04:26:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kelly Hubert Kelly <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: List of Nominees for Silver Moon

All current and previous moon winners and candidates are available at:

http://home.connexus.net.au/~kii/moon/

K 2

Tom Walmsley wrote:

> Duncan Richer wrote:
>
> > The Senate has agreed to the following list of Nominees for the Silver
> > Moon:
> >
> > The Gingham Wearer's YORL poem (play of "irrigate")
> >  http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/Nomic/Acka/subgames/yorl2.html
> >
> > K 2's P2790 "No Cigar" (The palindrome proposal)
> >  http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/acka/props/prop2800.html#P2790
> >
> > JT's Phoebe wisdom which said MTM's shoes were blue
> >  http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/Nomic/Acka/entity/phoebe.html#BM84
> >
> > Attila the Pun's Treasure 207 (Mu-Cow)
> >  http://home.connexus.net.au/~kii/treasure/treasure.htm#207
> >
> > Agreed to by:
> > /dev/joe
> > Calvin N Hobbes
> > Rex Mundi
> > Slakko
> >
> > This is the report of the Commission d'Arts.
>
> I believe that as Count Tabula I'm the Hearing Harfer for this. You may
> hit the reply button to send your votes winging theire way towards me (I
> mean, "reply to vote" is just *so* boring).
>
> I sent a similar message last night but it didn't get through so if you
> get twothen I appologise.
>
> Mr. Tambourine Man, Count Tabula.
>
> --
> Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
> http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
> AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
> Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 06:17:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (I am the Water Boatman)
Subject: Re: acka: only me

>Hrm, my email program cuts off your name in my inbox as  "I am the Water
>Boa"

Interesting. Is that a type of snake?

>Anyway, breadbox at least seems to think you were already a voting
>player.

There may have been some confusion because I went on vacation while muppetlabs
was having its problems.

>He had been on Vacation (a different player state) since 08/14.
>By 'changing state' to voting, that removes him (I believe) from vacation.

That's what I thought.

Derlehte

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 06:24:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: only me

>> I hereby change my status to Voting
>> 
>> Ethelred
> 
> breadbox at least seems to think you were already a voting player.

Indeed I do. What's the story here? I have Ethelred returning from
vacation AND changing to Voting status on July 7th (as well as taking
on the name Ethelred).

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 07:08:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (I am the Water Boatman)
Subject: Re: Acka: One sick puppy.

>I would instead
>encourage em to have other players to say it on eir behalf, this will
>have a synergistic effect and complete recovery should ensue shortly
>thereafter.

I refuse to say "Hubert".

damn.

Ethelred.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 07:43:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Returning

I return from Vacation.
I become Active.
I become Voting.

J. M. Bear

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 08:28:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Returning

> I return from Vacation.
> I become Active.
> I become Voting.
> 
> J. M. Bear

Once, again, this is the state that I already have for this player.
What's going on?

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 08:48:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Michael Pizolato" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: One sick puppy.

K 2 wrote:
:In the Public Health Emergency against Piz it was found:
:
:(7) Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!
:Rex Mundi & EBS
:Slakko & EBS
:AtP
:Studge
:K 2
:Piz
:
:with the following voting country to observed facts ;-) :
:
:(5) No, e, uh, meant to do that.
:ThinMan & EBS
:JT & EBS
:Alfvaen
:
:Thus it is my duty as Medical Examiner to prescribe a course of action
:for Piz to correct eir errant ways. It is usual in these cases for the
:patient to say "hubert" as many times as they are able. Since the
:subject has already undertaken this course of action, I would instead
:encourage em to have other players to say it on eir behalf, this will
:have a synergistic effect and complete recovery should ensue shortly
:thereafter.
:
:K 2
:Medical Examiner

I just haven't been [...cough...hubert...wheeze...] feeling well lately. I
offer my most humble thanks in advance [...gag...hubert...choke...] to
anyone who takes upon themselves a share of the burden of
[...sneeze...hubert...gasp...] my cure. I ask this in the name of Hubert
[...hack...hubert...barf...], amen.

I donate A$1 to the Huberts...er, uh, I mean the Twits.

Piz

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:05:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kelly Hubert Kelly <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Auction

I am starting an auction on the pair of dress pants in the treasury.

K 2

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:05:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Thrall

Proposal, Player -> Overlord
P3489, two-star -> Alfvaen

4: Alfvaen
1: K 2, Mr. Tambourine Man, Niccolo Flychuck, Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Thrallmaster

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:10:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSR 151

On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:

> Add the following to the literature list:

You need to announce that the CSR has been accepted or rejected, depending
upon the number of objections, once the requisite 3 days have passed.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:20:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Gibbering Mouther

I hereby create 300 trinkets, "Sanity Point #1" through "Sanity Point #300",
with description for each as follows:  "Looks sort like a marble.  Wouldn't
want to lose these, would you?"

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Concrete Blonde:Make Me Cry
Current Book--Piers Anthony:Unicorn Point
There are more things in heaven and earth than anyplace else.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:57:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction

On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Kelly Hubert Kelly wrote:

> I am starting an auction on the pair of dress pants in the treasury.
> 
> K 2
> 

I bid A$50.

IB
needs a blue pair for his box of hammers.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:02:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Pants.

I don my recently acquired pair of dress pants.

IB

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:02:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Agenda Bidding

Agenda bidding is about to commence.  For the newcomers(and those
who've done this before but forgotten):  If you submitted one or more
agendas listed here, submit a bid for every agenda condition listed
below, including your own.  The possible range of bids is -252 (for
the hardest conditions) to 126 (for the easiest); this corresponds to
the number of points which must be gained in addition to satisfying the
Agenda Conditions.  Any player who does not bid on a given condition is
considered to bid 126, the default.

Here are the Agenda Condition that were submitted unto me:

else...if:

1. The wearer of this hat has more fleas than a barrel full of
monkeys, and both fleas and barrels full of monkeys are defined by the
rules.

TJ:

2. The owner of this hat has more than 10 honour.

3. The owner of this hat has been in at least 1 duel and has not lost
more than 2 duels.

K 2:

4. Knurd has no meaning within the rules; however, for at least one day
since this hat was created Knurd had meaning within the rules.

5. It either a crime or impermissible to wear six identical garments.

Vynd:

6. The owner of this hat has owned exactly eleven different agenda hats.

7. This agenda hat has a weight of 3.

Slakko:

8. The owner of this hat is the Overlord of the owner of this eggplant.

Weishaupt:

9. At least three active players have names whose letters are in alphabetical
order.

10. The wearer of this hat is wearing another hat with this condition.

11. The wearer of this hat is wearing another hat with this condition.

Attila the Pun:

12. The owner of this hat and the owner of the hat whose number is five
higher than this one are members of the same Caste.

13. The owner of this hat has publically posted the sine of a googleplex
to a precision of at least three significant digits, and accompanied
said posting with proof that the value posted is, indeed, the sine
of a googleplex.

14. The phrase "Lo, I am a fish!" appears in at least eight distinct
rules, none of which have prime rule numbers, and at least one of
which has a rule number which is a factor of 9876431250.

Studge:

15. It is publicly knowable that this hat, known as Firsty to plain folks,
is being worn while Alfvaen is in Thrall to a member of the Religious Caste.

16. It is publicly knowable that the Agenda Hat known as Firsty to plain
folks became true in the last week while at the same time this hat, known
as Clown-Like to plain folks, was publicly known to be worn.

17. It is publicly knowable that the Agenda Hat known as Clown-Like to
plain folks became false in the last week while at the same time this hat,
known as Clown-Like to plain folks, was publicly known to be worn.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper:Chicken Drop
Current Book--Piers Anthony:Unicorn Point
I'd like a Slow Comfortable Screw On The Beach With An Orgasm....

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:11:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Meant To Do This

I hereby give any trinkets containing the string "World Cup 98" to J.M. Bear.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper:Chicken Drop
Current Book--Piers Anthony:Unicorn Point
Hara kiri, hara kiri, kiri kiri, hara hara

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:14:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Treasure Burial

I hereby bury the Bottle of Bacardi and a Rock To Wind A String Around as a
Treasure, with the following map, and a clue hidden elsewhere in this
message:

29 19 11 60 28 42 01 07 26 59 73 17 50
05 08 39 14 11 24 09 57 21 04 45 13 91
81 42 55 15 90 38 29 18 70 27 44 73 28
23 59 40 90 16 32 52 20 30 36 60 46 54
83 91 71 47 51 10 11 58 08 86 41 63 42
21 67 48 89 94 28 73 12 98 01 69 02 85
35 11 22 09 24 06 77 61 05 59 66 90 75

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper:Chicken Drop
Current Book--Piers Anthony:Unicorn Point
Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 11:01:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gibbering Mouther

Aflvaen wrote:
> I hereby create 300 trinkets, "Sanity Point #1" through "Sanity Point #300",
> with description for each as follows:  "Looks sort like a marble.  Wouldn't
> want to lose these, would you?"

You didn't specify a value for the trinkets, so it does not happen. :-)

/dev/joe
Not the financier
When did we start playing cthulhu anyway?

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 11:10:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: only me

On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:
>>> I hereby change my status to Voting
>>> 
>>> Ethelred
>> 
>> breadbox at least seems to think you were already a voting player.
>
>Indeed I do. What's the story here? I have Ethelred returning from
>vacation AND changing to Voting status on July 7th (as well as taking
>on the name Ethelred).

He went on vacation on 08/14.  That is the vacation he just returned from.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 11:20:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Returning

On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:
>> I return from Vacation.
>> I become Active.
>> I become Voting.
>> 
>> J. M. Bear
>
>Once, again, this is the state that I already have for this player.
>What's going on?

I have listed as going on vacation on August 22.  I will forward you the
onto vacation message privately breadbox.  I will also forward you
Ethelred's.

- --JT

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[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 11:56:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gibbering Mouther

On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> Aflvaen wrote:
> > I hereby create 300 trinkets, "Sanity Point #1" through "Sanity Point #300",
> > with description for each as follows:  "Looks sort like a marble.  Wouldn't
> > want to lose these, would you?"
> 
> You didn't specify a value for the trinkets, so it does not happen. :-)
> 
> /dev/joe
> Not the financier
> When did we start playing cthulhu anyway?

Have we ever stopped?

Yours,
Slakko
somewhere in Arkham Asylum (I think)
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:05:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gabe Drummond-Cole <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSR 151

At 09:10 AM 9/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Gabe Drummond-Cole wrote:
>
>> Add the following to the literature list:
>
>You need to announce that the CSR has been accepted or rejected, depending
>upon the number of objections, once the requisite 3 days have passed.
>
Well, unless i haven't been paying attention, there was only one objection,
so CSR 151 has been accepted.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:34:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Returning

> I have listed as going on vacation on August 22.  I will forward you the
> onto vacation message privately breadbox.  I will also forward you
> Ethelred's.

Thank you very kindly for your help. Hopefully I can figure out what I
screwed up....

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:47:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (I am the Water Boatman)
Subject: Acka: heraldic books (TJ)

This is really for TJ in his capacity of herald, but I'll throw it out as a
public message in case anyone else wants to offer an opinion.

I'm working on my blazon and I want to include an open book, pages facing the
viewer, but I don't know the correct heraldic term. I also want to confirm that
dexter and sinister are relative to the viewer's perspective.

thanks,

Ethelred

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 14:34:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: heraldic books (TJ)

On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, I am the Water Boatman wrote:

> This is really for TJ in his capacity of herald, but I'll throw it out as a
> public message in case anyone else wants to offer an opinion.
> 
> I'm working on my blazon and I want to include an open book, pages facing the
> viewer, but I don't know the correct heraldic term. I also want to confirm that
> dexter and sinister are relative to the viewer's perspective.

Sorry, no.  Dexter and sinister are relative to the shield wearer's
nominal perspective.  So the dexter half of the shield is actually the
left half when shown.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 14:52:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 652 (FALSE)

Robin Hood has judged this FALSE without reasoning.

Call for Judgement 652 - August 31, 1998
Subject: Furniture and One Time Effects
Initiator: Mr. Tambourine Man (sent 31 Aug, 1998 08:01 Acka)
Judge: Robin Hood (selected 31 Aug, 1998 08:30 Acka)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:
Proposal 3470 created a new rule as part of the miscellaneous rulesuite
upon it's acceptance.

Initiator's Reasoning:
Rule 104 states:

"If a proposal is accepted, one of two things happen. If the proposal
consisted of a list of one-time effects, such as changes to the rules,
then those effects shall be applied, one at a time, in the order in
which they appear in the proposal. (Ambiguous, retroactive, and/or
meaningless effects are ignored.)

Otherwise, the proposal itself changes from a proposal to a rule. [It is
assigned a title and number as described in Rules 301 and 303.] "

P3470 consisted of a list of one-time effects *plus* the following:

> This Aardvark is a Modest Proposal.
>
> {{[It seems odd that rule defined trinket creation would not trigger
> Treasury Bankruptcy Proceedings - as unlikely as those are anyway
:)]}}

I would therefore argue that it did not consist of a list of one-time
effects. Therefore it shhould have been adopted as a rule.

breadbox's Bronze Torch Reasoning:

This situation is admittedly less clear-cut than CFJ 651.

Aside from the prefatory text quoted in the initiator's reasoning,
Proposal 3470 clearly contains a list of three one-time effects. The
troublesome text is, then, a single sentence (the rest of the preface
being notes).

The initiator is arguing, in effect, that this sentence cannot (or at
least should not) be interpreted as a one-time effect to the game
state. I believe that it can, though as a meaningless and/or
ambiguous effect.

One-time effects are worded in either the declarative mood ("Rule 505
is amended ...") or the imperative mood ("Amend Rule 505 ..."). The
first sentence of this proposal is declarative, and the remainder is
worded in the imperative. So, "This Aardvark is a Modest Proposal" can
be interpreted as "make this Aardvark a Modest Proposal" or "change
this Aardvark into a Modest Proposal". Read this way, the sentence is
obviously a one-time effect.

So, the real question is: should the sentence be interpreted this way?

Now, text in the rules is frequently declarative; however, it is quite
rare for the rules to contain imperative sentences, except when
prefixed with a conditional. The three imperative sentences that
constitute the bulk of this proposal, thus, strongly argue against
treating this proposal as the text of a new rule.

And it must be pointed out that most proposals that actually do
contain the text of a new rule can be interpreted as actually being a
list of one-time effects without too much perversity on the part of
the reader. At times I wish that proposals were required to follow a
very rigid format that avoided such ambiguities, but that's not the
game we play. In reality most proposals contain imprecise directions -
ambiguous (or missing) delimiters, vague specifications of the rule
text to be affected, etcetera. Our proposals never have been treated
mechanically. And they probably never will, because, truth be told,
most of these imprecise directions are actually completely clear to an
intelligent reader (as opposed to, say, a computer program).

And, in my time as Rule-Harfer I have yet to see a proposal (or at
least not one that was accepted) that wasn't pretty obvious upon
reading which of the two types it belonged to.

Finally, I would point out there is strong game custom in favor of
treating Proposal 3470 as a list of effects. There have been many
proposals in the past that have contained a list of effects prefaced
with "near-miss" furniture (e.g., "This is not a Modest Proposal",
"This is a Modest Idea", etc etc). None of these proposals were ever
treated as the text of a new rule.

Judge's Reasoning

(none)

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 14:53:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fortnightly Dividends, August 31

On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> Since they did not end up being replaced with a straight A$50 payment,
> the Fortnightly Dividends are based on the following score changes
> for the last Virtual Fortnight(since the beginning of the Cycle, in
> this case):

> 73: Slakko

See - I was doing this out of an altruistic feeling that we should all
benefit, not just those with the passing proposals, on a monthly basis.
At least I can claim my motives were not self-interest. :-)
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 16:58:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Deejay

JT wrote:

> As is mandated by the rules, today is the first day of a month whose
> ordinal number is evenly divisible by three, so I am stepping down as
> Deejay.
>
> I ask Count Tabula to begin an election for Deejay.

So be it. Reply to nominate yourself.

MTM, CT.

- --
Tom Walmsley [email-masked]
http://website.lineone.net/~t.walmsley/index.html
AIM: TGW666 ICQ 2925739
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 16:58:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: History

In the election for Historian there was only one nomination and hence
Mr. Tambourine Man becomes the new Historian. Why is it that I keep
volunteering for all these offices when I really don't have the time? I
would like to take this opportunity to thank breadbox for the sterling
work he has done in this capacity  ever since I joined the game.

Mr. Tambourine Man, Count Tabula and Historian (not to mention CSRR,
Justice, Ambassador, RuneMaker and Dungeonmaster).

- --
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Bonvolu alsendi la pordiston, lausajne estas rano en mia bideo.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 17:00:26 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Acka: Grey Council

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 17:15:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: History

On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> In the election for Historian there was only one nomination and hence
> Mr. Tambourine Man becomes the new Historian. Why is it that I keep
> volunteering for all these offices when I really don't have the time? I
> would like to take this opportunity to thank breadbox for the sterling
> work he has done in this capacity  ever since I joined the game.
> 
> Mr. Tambourine Man, Count Tabula and Historian (not to mention CSRR,
> Justice, Ambassador, RuneMaker and Dungeonmaster).

Did you completely ignore breadbox's message indicating the results of the
election caused by saaremaa's opening of nominations.  E was re-elected as
the only nominee!!
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 17:22:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: History

> Did you completely ignore breadbox's message indicating the results of the
> election caused by saaremaa's opening of nominations.  E was re-elected as
> the only nominee!!

No tso much ignore it as rush past it in my frantic attempt to read through
thousands of emails after returning from Vacation. I was merely going by
whatever the person calling for the nomination said (I think it was K 2). If
breadbox is still Historian then no-one will be more pleased than I. I shall
submit a CFJ.

MTM.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 17:23:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: History

On 9/2/98 Mr. Tambourine Man, Count Tabula, Historian, CSRR, Justice,
Ambassador, RuneMaker and Dungeonmaster wrote:

>In the election for Historian there was only one nomination and hence
>Mr. Tambourine Man becomes the new Historian. Why is it that I keep
>volunteering for all these offices when I really don't have the time? I
>would like to take this opportunity to thank breadbox for the sterling
>work he has done in this capacity  ever since I joined the game.
>
>Mr. Tambourine Man, Count Tabula and Historian (not to mention CSRR,
>Justice, Ambassador, RuneMaker and Dungeonmaster).

If you need some spare time I'll take over Ambassadorship from you.  That
seems like it might both be fun and chronically take some of your time up,
reading the mailing list.

Studge

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 17:31:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CSR 152

CSR 152 consists of the following changes, restricted to the Party Chess
Rule Suite:

In Rule 1230.2, section 4, replace all instances of the phrase "Swinger's
Office" with the word "Swingership", and then all instances of the word
"Office" with "Swingership".

in Rule 1230.40, replace the text "the Swinger holding that Office" with
"the Swinger owning that Swingership", and the text "the office changes
hands" with "the Swingership changes hands".

Yours,
Slakko
Chess-Umpire
and hence Custodian of the 1230.X rule suite.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 17:33:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 653 (two-star)

two-star has been selected.

Call for Judgement 653 - September 2, 1998
Subject: Holder of Historian's Office
Initiator: Mr. Tambourine Man (sent 2 Sep 1998, 17:24 Acka)
Judge: two-star
Judgement:

Statement:
breadbox is Historian.

Initiator's Reasoning:
I don't know. K 2 (I think) said the office was absent. Slakko says it
isn't. If either of them (or breadbox) has any additional information
then I owuld hope they would make it public to help whoever is selected
here. Whichever way it goes we really should know.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:09:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Politics

If it is the case that I will not lose my swingership if I become a
member of a political party then I apply for membership of the Razor
Boomerangs Political Party (that was how I understood Slakko's recent
propsossal but I just want to be sure).

MTM.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:12:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Politics

On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> If it is the case that I will not lose my swingership if I become a
> member of a political party then I apply for membership of the Razor
> Boomerangs Political Party (that was how I understood Slakko's recent
> propsossal but I just want to be sure).

It is true.  The position of NAP Swinger is no more - you are a Capital
Swinger.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, CotC, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, Senator

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:16:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Politics

Duncan Richer wrote:

> It is true.  The position of NAP Swinger is no more - you are a Capital
> Swinger.

I thought so. IF I haven't already done so I apply for membership of the
Razor Boomerangs Political Party.

MTM.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:40:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: My Bad

I announce my intention to resign as Scorekeeper(again).

Sorry, folks, but you really need someone who's paying more attention to
do this.  I just noticed that I did not take into account Whamiol scoring
when either Memo or Weishaupt joined--I _think_ those are the only two
who have joined since Rig R. Mortis, and at any rate from the Registrar's
page anyone else would have to have left already.

Memo joined on August 19th, so breadbox, else...if and JT(the only Whamiol-
holding players, I believe, since Slakko gave eirs to some Org or other and
I've never seen him take it back)got a full 15 points then.  This was back
in Cycle 23.

And on August 28th, when Weishaupt joined, they all got another 9 points.
I should mention here that there was a retraction by K 2 that I hadn't
noted before as well; these both affect the last Fortnightly Dividends.
(I have a heck of time finding all the retractions...)

I can't guarantee that I haven't missed any other non-Proposal-based scoring
(though I try to keep up with the Ackanomicon pages), so if anyone wants to
check and make sure they've lost all the points they're supposed to(anybody
go deadbeat recently, for instance?), let me know.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper:Tennessee Jive
Current Book--Piers Anthony:Unicorn Point
Your cleverness ferments meat without the need of oxygen

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:46:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Gibbering Mouther

Okay.  I hereby create 100 trinkets, "Sanity Point #1" through "Sanity
Point #100", value A$1 each, with description for each as follows:
"Looks sort like a marble.  Wouldn't want to lose these, would you?"

(After today, I've revised estimates of my sanity...)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper:Tennessee Jive
Current Book--Piers Anthony:Unicorn Point
When numbers get serious, you see their shape everywhere

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:53:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Harf

I declare Proposals 3499, 3520, and 3531 to be harfy.

Has anyone been Funky & Stylish lately?

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- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper:Tennessee Jive
Current Book--Piers Anthony:Unicorn Point
Your treachery will bite into neither the shore nor the space between.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 20:23:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Eggplant De-Icing

Pursuant to the recent amendments to Rule 671, the following Nemesis
Eggplants have been redistributed:

867-5309 gets the Nemesis Eggplants for Hat D19(formerly owned by
Publius)and Hat A8(formerly owned by saaremaa).

else...if gets the Nemesis Eggplant for Hat C17(formerly owned by Ayla).

two-star gets the Nemesis Eggplant for Hat C23(formerly owned by Ayla).

These changes will very shortly be reflected on the Illuminatus Page.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.connect.ab.ca/~alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Jane Siberry:Maria
Current Book--Piers Anthony:Unicorn Point
Separate the men from the toys

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:28:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Oars (rufus)

On 8/31/98 I wrote:
>On 8/30/98 JT wrote:
>>Rufus has found the Great Oars of Ackanomic this week.
>
>In defiance of the river gods, those who enforce conservation laws,
>potential problems associated with Gaol, and general common sense I
>proclaim my intent to become a Daring Adventurer by rafting down the
>Ackanomian River.
>

Until I loose the raft this weekend:

I've got the raft.
IB and Piz are bringing Courage In The Face Of Adversity!!
And MTM had the Courage but not the timing.

And rufus must still come along with the Oars...

Please

Studge

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