Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #277
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ackanomic digest        Friday, August 21 1998        Volume 03 : Number 277

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:05:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Agenda Hats

I reveal the following two hats and trade them to the Mad Hatters for A$1
each (I believe)

1) Treasure 122 has been found.
2) The owner of this hat has anti-voted (as defined in the rules) on 10
   straight proposals, not including ones authored by himself, since this
   hat came into his possession.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:29:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Phoebe (JT)

IdiotBoy failed to post Phoebe's wisdom, and is fined 3 points.
Phoebe has been found by JT.

- --JT, OiCoRT

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:37:38 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Acka: Probabilistic Boon of the Ancients

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# Player: K 2
# Reason: Machine that goes *ping*
# Boon of the Ancients determination
# based on the following (using a 100 sided die)
#   1 -  45     Ancient Artifact
#  46 -  70     Ancient Scroll (Otzma Card)
#  71 -  80     Gods Smile (Bonus Vote) 
#  81 -  87     Ancient Relic (Trinket - Must Describe)
#  88 -  92     Ancient Knowledge (Discovery - Must Describe)
#  93 -  97     Ancient Wisdom (New Otzma Card - Must Describe)
#  98 -  99     Gods are Bored (Pointy Ears)
# 100 - 100     Gods are Grouchy (Goose)

No. of sides on every die:    100
No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:    1
No. of rolls per line:          1

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> #T Acka: Probabilistic Boon of the Ancients
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> #C Player: K 2
> #C Reason: Machine that goes *ping*
> #C
> #C Boon of the Ancients determination
> #C based on the following (using a 100 sided die)
> #C
> #C   1 -  45  Ancient Artifact
> #C  46 -  70  Ancient Scroll (Otzma Card)
> #C  71 -  80  Gods Smile (Bonus Vote) 
> #C  81 -  87  Ancient Relic (Trinket - Must Describe)
> #C  88 -  92  Ancient Knowledge (Discovery - Must Describe)
> #C  93 -  97  Ancient Wisdom (New Otzma Card - Must Describe)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:43:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Probabilistic Boon of the Ancients

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# Player: Alfvaen
# Reason: Happiness
# Boon of the Ancients determination
# based on the following (using a 100 sided die)
#   1 -  45     Ancient Artifact
#  46 -  70     Ancient Scroll (Otzma Card)
#  71 -  80     Gods Smile (Bonus Vote) 
#  81 -  87     Ancient Relic (Trinket - Must Describe)
#  88 -  92     Ancient Knowledge (Discovery - Must Describe)
#  93 -  97     Ancient Wisdom (New Otzma Card - Must Describe)
#  98 -  99     Gods are Bored (Pointy Ears)
# 100 - 100     Gods are Grouchy (Goose)

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> #P [email-masked]
> #S 100
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> #C Player: Alfvaen
> #C Reason: Happiness
> #C Boon of the Ancients determination
> #C based on the following (using a 100 sided die)
> #C
> #C   1 -  45  Ancient Artifact
> #C  46 -  70  Ancient Scroll (Otzma Card)
> #C  71 -  80  Gods Smile (Bonus Vote) 
> #C  81 -  87  Ancient Relic (Trinket - Must Describe)
> #C  88 -  92  Ancient Knowledge (Discovery - Must Describe)
> #C  93 -  97  Ancient Wisdom (New Otzma Card - Must Describe)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:46:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: New Happy Number

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# The game requires a new happy number to be chosen.
# The happy number ranges between -60 and 419 inclusive which is
# 480 different possible values.
# The new happy number is the number chosen -61.
# The new sad number is 419 - the happy number.

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> #P [email-masked]
> #S 480
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> #T Acka: New Happy Number
> 
> #C The game requires a new happy number to be chosen.
> #C The happy number ranges between -60 and 419 inclusive which is
> #C 480 different possible values.
> #C
> #C The new happy number is the number chosen -61.
> #C The new sad number is 419 - the happy number.
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:48:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Happy Number

On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Dice server wrote:
>No. of sides on every die:    480
>No. of dice for every roll:     1
>No. of dice rolls requested:    1
>No. of rolls per line:          1
>
>    458

The new happy number is 397.
The new sad number is 22.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:07:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Probabilistic Gadget

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# Player: Alfvaen
# His Boon of the ancients was a random gadget.
# It was determined by the following schedule
#  1    - Scroll of Crumble
#  2    - Really Big Blue Thing
#  3    - Whamiol
#  4    - Vending Machine
#  5    - Automatic Sculpture
#  6    - Gravitational Monopole
#  7    - Evil Ballot Stuffer
#  8    - Jukkasjarvi Mind Control Laser
#  9    - Spell Book of Chorg
# 10    - Plunky Monkey Wrench
# 11    - Bonus Vote Add-On
# 12    - Gimme Shelter
# 13    - Cheez-Whiz
# 14    - Pulse Laser
# 15    - Silver Spaceship
# 16    - BWG Laser
# 17    - Butler
# 18    - Pyraic Frobnotzer
# 19    - BWG Laser Shotgun Attachment
# 20    - Good Ballot Stuffer
# 21    - Finger of Justice
# 22    - Transtemporal Holographic Image Recording Device
# 23    - Saaremaa's Codex of Wizardry
# 24    - Highlander's Sword
# 25    - Guardian Angel

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No. of dice rolls requested:    1
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> #P [email-masked]
> #S 25
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> #T Acka: Probabilistic Gadget
> 
> #C Player: Alfvaen
> #C His Boon of the ancients was a random gadget.
> #C 
> #C It was determined by the following schedule
> #C
> #C  1         - Scroll of Crumble
> #C  2 - Really Big Blue Thing
> #C  3 - Whamiol
> #C  4 - Vending Machine
> #C  5 - Automatic Sculpture
> #C  6 - Gravitational Monopole
> #C  7 - Evil Ballot Stuffer
> #C  8 - Jukkasjarvi Mind Control Laser
> #C  9 - Spell Book of Chorg
> #C 10 - Plunky Monkey Wrench
> #C 11 - Bonus Vote Add-On
> #C 12 - Gimme Shelter
> #C 13 - Cheez-Whiz
> #C 14 - Pulse Laser
> #C 15 - Silver Spaceship
> #C 16 - BWG Laser
> #C 17 - Butler
> #C 18 - Pyraic Frobnotzer
> #C 19 - BWG Laser Shotgun Attachment
> #C 20 - Good Ballot Stuffer
> #C 21 - Finger of Justice
> #C 22 - Transtemporal Holographic Image Recording Device
> #C 23 - Saaremaa's Codex of Wizardry
> #C 24 - Highlander's Sword
> #C 25 - Guardian Angel
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:28:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Castes

Here are the lists of who got assigned to which caste (the initial
assignment was strictly 33.3333... % per caste.)  The only players who
were not assigned castes are the 'newbies' who do not get assigned a caste
until they cease being a newbie.  Robin Hood, although he got a mentor was
still not a newbie according to the rules and so he was assigned to a
caste.

The newbies who were not assigned castes were: Memo, Rig R Mortis, Studge
and Piz.

I hope that K 2 will track these castes on the player/iced-player pages
however, they are techinically my responsibility as Speaker (since they
aren't anyone elses).  If K 2 is willing to track them I'd be appreciative
however.

So, without any more ado, here are the assignments

867-5309		- Religious
Alfvaen			- Worker
Astro			- Religious
Attila the Pun		- Religious
Ayla			- Warrior
Balsamic Dragon		- Worker
Bascule			- Religious
breadbox		- Religious
Brinjal			- Religious
Calvin N Hobbes		- Warrior
Chaos			- Worker
Crackfoo		- Worker
/dev/joe		- Worker
else...if		- Religious
Enigma			- Worker
Ethelred		- Religious
fnord			- Religious
Fortunato		- Warrior
Goldenmean		- Religious
Guy Fawkes		- Worker
Horny Protoceratops	- Worker
IdiotBoy		- Worker
Illusion		- Warrior
J. M. Bear		- Warrior
Joe Java		- Worker
JT			- Warrior
K 2			- Warrior
Karma			- Religious
Koxvolio		- Religious
mr cwm			- Warrior
Mr. Lunatic Fringe	- Warrior
Mr. Tambourine Man	- Warrior
Mu-Cow Hunter		- Worker
Niccolo Flychuck	- Religious
Publius			- Religious
Red Barn		- Religious
Rex Mundi		- Warrior
Robin Hood		- Warrior
rufus			- Worker
saaremaa		- Worker
Slakko			- Religious
ThinMan			- Worker
this is not a name	- Worker
Tin Observer		- Religious
Tom Kitten		- Warrior
two-star		- Worker
UglyBigNose		- Warrior
Voting Gnome		- Religious
Vynd			- Religious
Wayne			- Warrior
Wild Card		- Religious
Zaknafien Dourden	- Worker

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:54:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Offer

I offer JT my vending machine and A$7.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:58:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Offer

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

>I offer JT my vending machine and A$7.

I accept this offer.

I then vend a Large Box of Chocolates from the vending machine.
I vend a second Large Box of Chocolates from the vending machine.

(if I read the rules right this should cost me A$28, of which I get A$14
back).

I then offer the vending machine and a Large Box of Chocolates to
/dev/joe.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 02:00:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Offer

JT wrote:

> I then offer the vending machine and a Large Box of Chocolates to
> /dev/joe.

I accept.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:17:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 642 (Vynd)

Studge failed to post a judgement in time.

Vynd has been chosen.

Call for Judgement 642 - August 13, 1998
Subject: Rule Existence
Initiator: Slakko (sent Aug 13, 1998 13:02 Acka)
1st Judge: Studge (chosen Aug 13, 1998 13:02 Acka) (deadbeat)
2nd Judge: Vynd
Judgement:

Statement:

There is no Rule 1319.

CFJ Reasoning:

On the 13th of July, K 2 achieved a Winning Condition by a method
described in what was, at the time Rule 1319.2.  The achievement of that
Winning Condition caused some other effects to occur, as follows:

"However, upon eir return, e shall achieve a Winning
Condition. At this time all the entities donated to the CEIS shall be
destroyed, except for the spacecraft which shall be Decommissioned. This
Rule, as well as Rules 1319, 1319.1 and 1320 [the RERS, FEPS and End of
the World rules], shall be repealed then, and all occurrences of the
word "flat" in Rules 1307 and 1309 shall be replaced by "cubical", all
occurrences of the text "the topside of the earth" in Rule 1309 shall be
replaced by "the other faces of the earth", and all occurrences of the
text "the underside of the Earth" in Rule 1311 shall be replaced by "the
face of the Earth which includes Ackanomia". "

Since this time, no Proposal creating a rule numbered 1319, or renumbering
a rule to 1319 has passed.  Hence there is no Rule 1319.

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:18:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CSR

I am issuing CSR 147 reading as follows (delimited by GORGONZOLA:

GORGONZOLA
All Ackanomic documents, except the rules, that were amended by Proposal
3383 are
modified so as to be identical to their state prior to Proposal 3383's
modification and all amendments applied subsequent to Proposal 3383 are
reapplied
in order.
GORGONZOLA

MTM, CSRR.

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:18:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Offices

Mr. Tambourine Man was the only nominee for NAP swinger and so gets the seat.

In the event that there was an election for Godfather then Mr. Tambourine
Man was the only nominee there as well.

For dungeone master there were two nominees:

Mr. Tambourine Man
K 2

You may reply to vote.

Mr. Tambourine Man, Count Tabula.

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:19:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Belated Senator

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# To determine who becomes senator
# 1 and it's Slakko
# 2 and it's 8867-5309
# And let's hope I've done this better than when I was acting speaker!

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:19:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: INP voting results

Acka will be voting against INP 381 and for INP 382. 

MTM, Ambassador.

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 05:52:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Offices

> For dungeone master there were two nominees:
> 
> Mr. Tambourine Man
> K 2

Okay, we've only just created the need for this Office, so we, the
voting populace, are wanting for criteria regarding who to vote for.
I'd like to see a few words from each candidate on why we should vote
for em. In rhyme.

breadbox

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 06:34:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Offices

At 05:52 21/08/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> For dungeone master there were two nominees:
>> 
>> Mr. Tambourine Man
>> K 2
>
>Okay, we've only just created the need for this Office, so we, the
>voting populace, are wanting for criteria regarding who to vote for.
>I'd like to see a few words from each candidate on why we should vote
>for em. In rhyme.

I'd love to, really I would, but I'm going away for a couple of days in
about half an hour's time. So, unfortunately, I don't have the time :-).

MTM.

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:40:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Offices

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> Mr. Tambourine Man was the only nominee for NAP swinger and so gets the seat.
> 
> In the event that there was an election for Godfather then Mr. Tambourine
> Man was the only nominee there as well.
> 
> For dungeone master there were two nominees:
> 
> Mr. Tambourine Man
> K 2
> 
> You may reply to vote.
> 
> Mr. Tambourine Man, Count Tabula.
> 

When were these elections announced?  I don't recall seeing any requests
for nominations.

Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:31:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3462

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer wrote:
> 
> > (1) The minimum Tammany bribe is A$25, not A$5.
> > (2) If four people are clearly so interested in a proposal that they would 
> > expend 4 Bonus Votes and A$100 (at least, possibly as much as A$400) to
> > attempt to get it through, and no-one else cares enough to attempt to
> > oppose the measure (by casting their own Bonus Votes or organising their
> > own posse to oppose the Tammany bribes), then why shouldn't it pass?
> > 
> > (Actually, if 4 people want to ensure that their Tammany bribes work 
> > against even 1 person, they will need to spend more than A$200.
> > It only takes 2 people sufficiently against a proposal to eliminate the
> > Tammany bribes of up to 4 people - A$200 spent on SILENT votes would
> > cancel out A$400 on YES votes.)
> > 
> > So the Tammany would only succeed if less than two people cared
> > sufficiently to try to sink the proposal.  I don't think that this is
> > sufficient to unbalance the game.
> 
> I'm sorry Slakko, but I think your argument here is pretty weak.  You're
> saying that whenever a proposal is submitted that I am afraid to see pass,
> no matter how unlikely I think it is that a significant proportion of
> people will vote in favor of it, I should have to dump tons of cash into
> Tammany just to be sure that a group of three or four people doesn't force
> it through with a few bribes and some bonus votes?  

I retract Proposal 3462.

> If this proposal passes, I'm going to get another three or four people
> together and start submitting proposals.  I think we'll start by
> submitting, oh, 10 proposals, all of which are variations on the theme of
> "All entities in Slakko's possession are transfered to Vynd."  You know,
> just different enough not to be invalid.  Which one are you going to bribe
> Tammany against, Slakko?

If they are all designed to transfer my entities to you, I couldn't see
how they could NOT be "substantially similar", and hence all but one would
be invalid.

Sufficiently many proposals of the kind might also count as Spam.

So I don't think this is as open to the Malenkai Successive NO votes
strategem as you seem to indicate.

> I don't see how this new idea would be useful for anything but blatant,
> two-fisted scamming.  It practically begs people to get together and give
> themselves dictatorial powers, fantastic wealth, etc.

7 people can do that now if they are sneaky enough about it.
I see that my proposal would have exacerbated the situation (bringing it
down to 6 or in an extreme case 5)
Perhaps if Bonus Votes were abolished at the same time.  (This wouldn't
get enough support though - I'm sure BVs are sufficiently well
entrenched.)

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, Clerk of the Court, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:03:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka:  my mail

infocom.com, host of my well-known mail address, have done an OS upgrade
which has broken a bunch of the hacked libraries my mailer depends on.
Until i have a chance to figure out what is broken, I will be sending mail
from [email-masked].  Mail to [email-masked] will continue to
reach me.  I don't know if this means the Registrar should change my
official email address.

rufus

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:05:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: "else...if" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Juice

I thought I'd done this, but apparently not.
I make Right Handed Grapefruit Juice with my Right Handed Grapefruit
10 times.
_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:31:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka:  my mail

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, David Scheidt wrote:
>infocom.com, host of my well-known mail address, have done an OS upgrade
>which has broken a bunch of the hacked libraries my mailer depends on.
>Until i have a chance to figure out what is broken, I will be sending mail
>from [email-masked].  Mail to [email-masked] will continue to
>reach me.  I don't know if this means the Registrar should change my
>official email address.

I'd say it wouldn't mean that since [email-masked] still works for
recieving.   If other people feel differently, I'm not averse to changing
it, but don't really see the need is all.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:17:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Castes

>Calvin N Hobbes		- Warrior

I think the warrior caste should have 4 seats on the Grey Council. Down with
those wimpy Religious caste.    : )

I nominate myself as a candidate for the GC.

Calvin "The N Stands for Neroon" Hobbes

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:36:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Castes

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Thierry Joffrain wrote:

> >Calvin N Hobbes		- Warrior
> 
> I think the warrior caste should have 4 seats on the Grey Council. Down with
> those wimpy Religious caste.    : )
> 
> I nominate myself as a candidate for the GC.

I see my beautiful city in ruins.

Yours,
Slakko 
Religious Caste
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, Clerk of the Court, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:37:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Castes

I will also nominate myself for one of the 3 Warrior Caste seats.

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:33:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka:  my mail

> infocom.com, host of my well-known mail address, have done an OS upgrade
> which has broken a bunch of the hacked libraries my mailer depends on.
> Until i have a chance to figure out what is broken, I will be sending mail
> from [email-masked].  Mail to [email-masked] will continue to
> reach me.  I don't know if this means the Registrar should change my
> official email address.

The Registrar shouldn't change your official email address, since you
don't want enteract.com to become your new address. (I assume this is
just a temporary thing.) However, I need to know this address if you
want to be able to send email to nomicbot from there, so you were
right to post this.

breadbox

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:44:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Doing stuff

I convert four of my swingpoints into a bonus vote.
I move to the library and go into *that* room.
I move to the Ackanomic Genetic Institute.
I purchase an extra head and a forked tongue (A$ 300).
Assuming it's still there I purchase the following hat from the mad
hatters and wear it:
"
The owner of this hat has anti-voted (as defined in the rules) on 10
straight proposals, not including ones authored by himself, since this
hat came into his possession.
"

K 2

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:44:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: My Boon.

The following describes "My Boon" which was/is/will be created out of A$
in the
treasury : "It is big and fluffy in a Murrey sort of way. The fact that
it feels,
tastes and sounds Murrey would lead one to believe that it is Murrey,
fortunately
it smells like *ping* so it can in fact be distinguished."

K 2

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:32:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Castes

>I think the warrior caste should have 4 seats on the Grey Council. Down with
>those wimpy Religious caste.    : )
>
>I nominate myself as a candidate for the GC.
	We must protect ourself from the anger of the other castes!  I
nominate my self for the GC to ensure that our power is not reduced.

- --
- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Thank heavens, the sun has gone in, and I don't have to go out and
enjoy it.
		-Logan Pearsall Smith

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:52:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Castes

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Towsner wrote:

> >I think the warrior caste should have 4 seats on the Grey Council. Down with
> >those wimpy Religious caste.    : )
> >
> >I nominate myself as a candidate for the GC.
> 	We must protect ourself from the anger of the other castes!  I
> nominate my self for the GC to ensure that our power is not reduced.
> 

Shouldn't we wait until a nomination is called for before we all start
nominating ourselves?

Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:13:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Castes

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:
>Shouldn't we wait until a nomination is called for before we all start
>nominating ourselves?

Probably, but where would the fun be in that :)

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:25:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Castes

>>Shouldn't we wait until a nomination is called for before we all start
>>nominating ourselves?
>
>Probably, but where would the fun be in that :)

A true warrior among us! Hail to you, Caste Brother JT. If we left
everything to those Religious caste members, Ackanomic would have been taken
over _centuries_ ago while contemplating it's navel.    ; )

Calvin Neroon Hobbes
Thinking Delenn is right, the worker class should have 5 seats...

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:17:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Nomination

First of all, (so that it can be seen on cusory examination) I am
calling for
nominations for the position of Thrall Master.
750+755 define Thrall; 615 is how to win by thrall; 440 is were the
Thrall
Master Fits in.

JT wrote:

> I hope that K 2 will track these castes on the player/iced-player pages
> however, they are techinically my responsibility as Speaker (since they
> aren't anyone elses).  If K 2 is willing to track them I'd be appreciative
> however.

I put the castes on the pe page and while doing so it occoured to me
that the
pe page has got an awful lot on it... so I thought maybe I'll create a
caste/charateritics page and then I thought who's tracking the other
characteristics (someone was ahead of me on that score)
and then I had several bright ideas concerning Harf the universe and
everything
(42 - the Answer not the quantity :) Then at the end of this paragraph I
thought... why are you telling em this?

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:17:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Castes

I have two things to say: firstly we prolly have to wait to count Tabula to
start the election (BTW I insist that an election be held for the office of Gray
Council) and secondly I'm already feeling like being a turn coat, anyone
interested in a swap.

K 2

Thierry Joffrain wrote:

> >Calvin N Hobbes                - Warrior
>
> I think the warrior caste should have 4 seats on the Grey Council. Down with
> those wimpy Religious caste.    : )
>
> I nominate myself as a candidate for the GC.
>
> Calvin "The N Stands for Neroon" Hobbes

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