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ackanomic digest       Tuesday, August 18 1998       Volume 03 : Number 274

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:25:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Ray <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Fw: Acka: A BAA! of a Birthday Gift

I....I'm touched....  :)

Michael Pizolato wrote:

> I create a trinket, called a "Gift Certificate," with a value of A$5 and the
> following WHATEVER-delimited description:
>
> WHATEVER
> "I didn't care enough to put any thought or effort into your gift, so go out
> and buy yourself something nice."
> WHATEVER
>
> I gift this trinket to Publius out of respect for his "Harfy Birthday"
> proposal, for which I intend to vote YES.
>
> :-)
>
> Piz

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:27:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Ray <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Fw: Acka: A BAA! of a Birthday Gift

JT wrote:

> As a side note, the Birthday proposal that Publius submitted is something
> similar to something which I submitted very shortly after I joined the
> game as well.  I hope his passes, cause mine didn't :)
>
> (note, the main difference between his and mine is that I only required
> tracking 'birthdays' for active players.  I don't know why Publius
> required tracking them for former players and would be curious to hear his
> answer on that one)

Just that in case the former player came back to the game, the data would still
be available.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:39:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Fw: Acka: A BAA! of a Birthday Gift

On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Brandon Ray wrote:
>> As a side note, the Birthday proposal that Publius submitted is something
>> similar to something which I submitted very shortly after I joined the
>> game as well.  I hope his passes, cause mine didn't :)
>>
>> (note, the main difference between his and mine is that I only required
>> tracking 'birthdays' for active players.  I don't know why Publius
>> required tracking them for former players and would be curious to hear his
>> answer on that one)
>
>Just that in case the former player came back to the game, the data would still
>be available.

If you look at the current registrar page, you will see that that
information is in fact retained.  I would just prefer not to have to
clutter the past player archive with this information is all :)
I also (on further consideration) don't much like that the other players
are basically forced to give gifts.  The proposal that I made was that the
player was given a small amount of cash from the treasury as a gift.  I
especially don't like penalizing players/forcing them to sign messages a
certain way in order to get something.   I am often sending mail from a
variety of different places, and that sort of restriction is (to me)
tedious and detracts from the over-all fun quotient of the game.
Given these thoughts, I'm probably going to vote against the current
incarnation, but I think the idea is still good (after all, I proposed it
before :)

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:14:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CSR

I am using my powers as CSRR to issue a CSR numbered 146 as delimited by
SAUCY:

SAUCY
In rule 1240.20 (Otzma Card of Type Roulette Wheel) replace "Deterministic
Method" with "Probabalistic Method"

[As JT pointed out the runemaker could pick a card at its instance limit to
just destroy the card]

- ----

In rule 1240.17 (Otzma Card of type Arctic Explorer) replace the text
"description[that is, an entity with the word "Ice Pick" in its name],
then" with the text "description (that is, an entity with the word "Ice
Pick" in its name), then".

- ----

Renumber rule 845 (Map of the City ) to 846
Renmuber rule 844 (Here There Be Dragons) to 845
Renumber rule 1390.4 (Maps) to 844

- ----

Ammend rule 721 by replacing "a player to lose currency during the first
three weeks of eir being a new player" with "a newbie to lose currency".
SAUCY

Mr. Tambourine Man, CSRR.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:49:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSR

I object to this CSR.

On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> I am using my powers as CSRR to issue a CSR numbered 146 as delimited by
> SAUCY:
> 
> SAUCY
> In rule 1240.20 (Otzma Card of Type Roulette Wheel) replace "Deterministic
> Method" with "Probabalistic Method"
> 
> [As JT pointed out the runemaker could pick a card at its instance limit to
> just destroy the card]
> 
> ----
> 
> In rule 1240.17 (Otzma Card of type Arctic Explorer) replace the text
> "description[that is, an entity with the word "Ice Pick" in its name],
> then" with the text "description (that is, an entity with the word "Ice
> Pick" in its name), then".
> 
> ----
> 
> Renumber rule 845 (Map of the City ) to 846
> Renmuber rule 844 (Here There Be Dragons) to 845
> Renumber rule 1390.4 (Maps) to 844
> 
> ----
> 
> Ammend rule 721 by replacing "a player to lose currency during the first
> three weeks of eir being a new player" with "a newbie to lose currency".
> SAUCY
> 
> Mr. Tambourine Man, CSRR.
> 

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:56:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSR

On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Matt Miller wrote:

> I object to this CSR.

As do I.

> On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
> 
> > I am using my powers as CSRR to issue a CSR numbered 146 as delimited by
> > SAUCY:
> > 
> > SAUCY
> > In rule 1240.20 (Otzma Card of Type Roulette Wheel) replace "Deterministic
> > Method" with "Probabalistic Method"
> > 
> > [As JT pointed out the runemaker could pick a card at its instance limit to
> > just destroy the card]
> > 
> > ----
> > 
> > In rule 1240.17 (Otzma Card of type Arctic Explorer) replace the text
> > "description[that is, an entity with the word "Ice Pick" in its name],
> > then" with the text "description (that is, an entity with the word "Ice
> > Pick" in its name), then".
> > 
> > ----
> > 
> > Renumber rule 845 (Map of the City ) to 846
> > Renmuber rule 844 (Here There Be Dragons) to 845
> > Renumber rule 1390.4 (Maps) to 844
> > 
> > ----
> > 
> > Ammend rule 721 by replacing "a player to lose currency during the first
> > three weeks of eir being a new player" with "a newbie to lose currency".
> > SAUCY
> > 
> > Mr. Tambourine Man, CSRR.
> > 
> 
> 

- - 867-5309

Christmas has been cancelled--Joseph confessed. 

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:13:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSR

On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Eric Plumb wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Matt Miller wrote:
> 
> > I object to this CSR.
> 
> As do I.
> 

Hmm...  What did I miss?

Vynd

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:40:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSR

On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Eric Plumb wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Matt Miller wrote:
> > 
> > > I object to this CSR.
> > 
> > As do I.
> > 
> 
> Hmm...  What did I miss?
> 
> 

I object to CSRs which attempt to fix "problems" in the rules (such as
well, this means the runemaker could cheat!) rather than merely correcting
to make things fall in line with the intent of the authors/voters/etc.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:34:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Auction Them entities

I pay A$10 to the Treasury and request that the Financier call an auction
them entities hearing on an A$in the treasury.

MTM.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:35:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: ASS

I go to the library if not there already and play Beautiful Ones by Suede
on the ASS.

MTM.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:40:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them entities

On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> I pay A$10 to the Treasury and request that the Financier call an auction
> them entities hearing on an A$in the treasury.
> 
> MTM.
> 

While I don't have a copy of the rules handy at the moment, I don't think
this would work.  Don't you have to specify by name the entity you wish to
have auctioned?  Too bad though, I must say.  I always wanted an A$.

Vynd

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:06:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them entities

On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
> 
> > I pay A$10 to the Treasury and request that the Financier call an auction
> > them entities hearing on an A$in the treasury.
> > 
> > MTM.
> > 
> 
> While I don't have a copy of the rules handy at the moment, I don't think
> this would work.  Don't you have to specify by name the entity you wish to
> have auctioned?  Too bad though, I must say.  I always wanted an A$.

No, the rule only says that the entity must be "specified".  However,
given that there are multiple A$ in the Treasury, and no attempt was made
to distinguish one from the others, the required specification was
probably missing.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, Clerk of the Court, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:08:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Swing!

Swingpoints awarded for the fortnight ending 17th August 1998:

Swinger Weight Swingpoints:

7: Niccolo Flychuck
6: Koxvolio
5: /dev/joe
4: Slakko
3: JT

Party Swingpoints (winning Swinger is HARF)

1: Tin Observer
1: Calvin N Hobbes

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Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Ackanomic - Web-Harfer, Clerk of the Court, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:47:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Walmsley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction Them entities

Slakko wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
>> 
>> > I pay A$10 to the Treasury and request that the Financier call an auction
>> > them entities hearing on an A$in the treasury.
>> > 
>> > MTM.
>> > 
>> 
>> While I don't have a copy of the rules handy at the moment, I don't think
>> this would work.  Don't you have to specify by name the entity you wish to
>> have auctioned?  Too bad though, I must say.  I always wanted an A$.
>
>No, the rule only says that the entity must be "specified".  However,
>given that there are multiple A$ in the Treasury, and no attempt was made
>to distinguish one from the others, the required specification was
>probably missing.

I only perform the actions in the following paragraph if all of them can
suceed.

Okay then I create 10 trinkets called "ZotZotZot x" where x is repaced by
an integer between one and 10 each valued at A$1 with a description "Zot".
I then destroy all these trinkets for cash. I then pay the A$10 that I own
that were created at the destruction of a trinket with ZotZotZot in it's
name to the treasury and request that the financier call an auction them
entities hearing for the the A$ which was create when the trinket ZotZotZot
6 was destroyed.

MTM.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:50:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Stripe

I award JT his third silver stripe for the passage of his 40th proposal,
bringing his blue cross rank up to 50 (and beyond, as he had a few more in
that same batch).

/dev/joe
Senator

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:19:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: heraldness

After much discussion with K 2, I am awarding em the following coat of
arms:

Per fess murrey and tenne, the south face of the mountain K2 as viewed
from the Irish base camp, proper.

I admit to not being happy with the blazon, but K 2 was insistant on the
charge, and this was the only way we could find to accurately describe the
charge e wanted.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:51:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Becoming a non-player

Hoover 2300 who went on ice on May 7, 1998 became a non-player on August
5, 1998 (according to the Financiers Iced player page e was not an elder
and that was 90 days from the date of icing).  My apologies for not
reporting this earlier but I just discovered it as I went to move all the
currently iced players onto the current players page (where they belong
since they are players even while iced)

- --JT

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