Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #265
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To: [email-masked]

ackanomic digest       Saturday, August 8 1998       Volume 03 : Number 265

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 00:29:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: More Literature?

>If it were removed, well, I don't want to be a meany or anything, but I've
>never heard of this Jerome guy, nor Tom Lehrer.  So I'd still be halfway
>inclined to object.  Frankly, I wish that we still had to do this by
>proposal, so two guys like me, who has somehow missed out on the
>brilliant works of <insert name here> aren't the deciding factor on this
>stuff.

I would heartily recommend at least some Tom Lehrer to every player of
Ackanomic, especially "The Element Song", "Poisoning Pigeons In The Park",
"The Masochism Tango", and "New Math".  Very interesting highbrow musical
humour, although some of it is a bit dated now.  (Like his song about Hubert
Humphrey...)

Never heard of the Jerome guy either, though.

- --
- --Alfvaen (Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/)
Current Song--Gloria Estefan:Coming Out of The Dark
Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End
It is far better to blow out one candle than to curse the light.

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 00:55:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:  Acka: Nomicbot alias.

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, John Bollinger wrote:

> 
> ThinMan wrote:
> >"Hello?  Yes?  I'd like Sam the Eagle abs, please."
> 
> Or how about "Harry Monster abs"?
> 

I was thinking more along the lines of:

You've already got those Kermit thighs, now get those Animal abs you've
always dreamed of!
> 
> ThinMan
> 

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 01:00:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Burial

I am burying The Badge of Great Generosity and 2 Swingpoints as Treasure.

Map follows:

- ---
This treasure will be found by the first player to post publically the
make, model and color of Idiotboy's car.
- ---

IB
yeah, it's stupid, bite me.

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 01:05:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: More treasure info.

The information to find my previusly buried treasure is avaiable on the
web.  There are a tremendous number of "Matt Miller"'s in the world (I am 
personally good friends with two of them). I will answer one question from
each player regarding my background or other keywords which may help you
locate the right Matt Miller, hence the right website, hence a picture of 
me in my car..

IB
giving too much away too early.

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 01:59:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Ray <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC: Primes Defined

Tom Walmsley wrote:

> What if nobody actuallywanted to assert that a number was prime though? Say
> we had a rule that stated:
>
> "If ever the number of players is prime then all players will lose all
> their points and AckaDollars."
>
> Then lets say at some point there were 31 players, who's going to go and
> prove that 31 is prime? Not me certainly.

I guess  I'm unclear as to the problem.  This is not unique -- ANY rule will
remain unenforced if none of the players are willing to enforce it.

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 03:15:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Burial

IB wrote:
>
>I am burying The Badge of Great Generosity and 2 Swingpoints as Treasure.
>
>Map follows:
>
>---
>This treasure will be found by the first player to post publically the
>make, model and color of Idiotboy's car.
>---
>
>IB
>yeah, it's stupid, bite me.
>

A red Geo Prism.  Do I need a year on there?

Studge

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 03:45:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:  Acka: Nomicbot alias.

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, John Bollinger wrote:

> 
> IdiotBoy wrote:
> 
> >muppetabs.com would be cool if you were selling exercise equipment.
> 
> Would I get to choose the muppet?
> 
> "Hello?  Yes?  I'd like Sam the Eagle abs, please."

I think the possibilities for confusion are rife on the advertising:

"Get yourself some gonzo abs!"

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - Web-Harfer,RuneMaker,ChessUmpire,Map-Harfer - www.ackanomic.org

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 03:55:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Acka: action

I leave my house, go to the library and enter *that* room.
I shouln't I know, but its too tempting.

Robin Hood

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 03:59:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Ackanomicon Determination

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# Player: Robin Hood
# Ackanomicon Determination
# based on the following (using a 50 sided die)
#  1 - 15 Arcane Trivia
# 16 - 20 Vile Prophecies
# 21 - 25 Inner Workings
# 26 - 30 Arcane Lore
# 31 - 33 Terrorizing Pages
# 34 - 34 Ancient Artifact
# 35 - 36 Mutation
# 37 - 38 Dark Domain
# 39 - 40 Long Lost Treasure
# 41 - 41 Forbidden Fruit
# 42 - 42 Catastrophe
# 43 - 46 Not so Forbidden Fruit
# 47 - 47 Ancient One
# 48 - 48 Stock Market Crash
# 49 - 50 Judgement Day

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> #T Acka: Ackanomicon Determination
> 
> #C Player: Robin Hood
> #C Ackanomicon Determination
> #C based on the following (using a 50 sided die)
> #C
> #C  1 - 15 Arcane Trivia
> #C 16 - 20 Vile Prophecies
> #C 21 - 25 Inner Workings
> #C 26 - 30 Arcane Lore
> #C 31 - 33 Terrorizing Pages
> #C 34 - 34 Ancient Artifact
> #C 35 - 36 Mutation
> #C 37 - 38 Dark Domain
> #C 39 - 40 Long Lost Treasure
> #C 41 - 41 Forbidden Fruit
> #C 42 - 42 Catastrophe
> #C 43 - 46 Not so Forbidden Fruit
> #C 47 - 47 Ancient One
> #C 48 - 48 Stock Market Crash
> #C 49 - 50 Judgement Day
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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 04:07:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma cards of type Go Fish (fwd)

On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, JT wrote:

> I am forwarding on the following message from K 2.
> 
> According to em, there really should be a limit of 14 OC Go Fish instead
> of the 13 listed in the rule.  In this case, the rule is incorrect and
> should be corrected by Breadbox and the OC Go Fish destruction I mentioned
> earlier does not in fact occur.
> 
> I see no reason to believe that K 2 was wrong. Therefore this is merely an
> error in the rules easily fixed by a CSR since the number should have been
> 14 and not the 13 that is reported in the rule.

The problem is that Alfvaen and I didn't end up 100% agreeing on the state
of the Otzma Cards when the whole ownership dispute was raised.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - Web-Harfer,RuneMaker,ChessUmpire,Map-Harfer - www.ackanomic.org

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 04:10:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : Feud!

On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Matt Miller wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> > 
> > As Founder of the Church of Odo on the Worm Hole I suggest the following
> > Organizational be taken. Let the Church of Odo on the Worm Hole declare a
> > Feud on the Senate.
> > I approve of this suggestion.
> > 
> 
> I heartily approve of this suggestion, heartily.
I approve.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - Web-Harfer,RuneMaker,ChessUmpire,Map-Harfer - www.ackanomic.org

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 04:13:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Map

On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, else...if wrote:

> (Sorry about the yahoo address.  I can't send mail through earthlink
> from work.)
> 
> I was just looking at the map, and noticed a few minor errors.
> 
> First, the Stock Market is called the Ackan Reserve, and is only four
> squares plus an undeveloped one.  Second, I believe I went to the top
> floor of it some time ago (and don't plan to leave, since I could
> never go back.)

It is fixed now.  The rule actually calls it the Stock Exchange, not the
Stock Market nor the Ackan Reserve.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - Web-Harfer,RuneMaker,ChessUmpire,Map-Harfer - www.ackanomic.org

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 04:15:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma cards of type Go Fish (fwd)

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
>> I see no reason to believe that K 2 was wrong. Therefore this is merely an
>> error in the rules easily fixed by a CSR since the number should have been
>> 14 and not the 13 that is reported in the rule.
>
>The problem is that Alfvaen and I didn't end up 100% agreeing on the state
>of the Otzma Cards when the whole ownership dispute was raised.

Then I am going to please ask you (or the next RuneMaker) and K 2 to
settle this.  The only thing I needed to do was make a random
determination (which I did).  *IF* a card needs to be destroyed, it is
one of the two in the treasure (T194).

- --JT

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 04:21:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: AVPP

On Thu, 6 Aug 1998 [email-masked] wrote:

> I hereby join the anti-voting preservative party. 
> (Its open, so I don't have to ask anyone, right)
> 
> We should restore the spirit of antivoting if in
> quite the same form.

I have an interesting idea for that, but it depends on how breadbox
actually records the tabulation data.
If votes are listed on the output in order of when they were sent, then we
could set up the following:

If a proposal meets quorum, the most mediocre voter (in order of
submission) out of those who voted for the losing side shall receive as
many points as if they had authored an accepted proposal.

Or, if points are abolished and thrall is introduced:

When voting results are released, the most mediocre voter on the losing
side enthralls the most mediocre voter on the winning side.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - Web-Harfer,RuneMaker,ChessUmpire,Map-Harfer - www.ackanomic.org

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 04:31:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma cards of type Go Fish (fwd)

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, JT wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> >> I see no reason to believe that K 2 was wrong. Therefore this is merely an
> >> error in the rules easily fixed by a CSR since the number should have been
> >> 14 and not the 13 that is reported in the rule.
> >
> >The problem is that Alfvaen and I didn't end up 100% agreeing on the state
> >of the Otzma Cards when the whole ownership dispute was raised.
> 
> Then I am going to please ask you (or the next RuneMaker) and K 2 to
> settle this.  The only thing I needed to do was make a random
> determination (which I did).  *IF* a card needs to be destroyed, it is
> one of the two in the treasure (T194).

I've assumed K 2 is right - much more likely given the extra harfing of
entities e does already.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - Web-Harfer,RuneMaker,ChessUmpire,Map-Harfer - www.ackanomic.org

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 06:53:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka :retracting 3382

I am retracting P3382. I like Slakko's better.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 06:57:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka :retracting 3382

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Uri Bruck wrote:

> 
> I am retracting P3382. I like Slakko's better.

Thanks for the compliment!

When we were first discussing this, I pointed out that it would be better
if we could avoid giving the Speaker more work.  My method only allows for
deterministic creations of Otzma Cards, specified by the player spending
the Swingpoints, and is therefore the least work.

(Mine also uses this to _replace_ conversion of Swingpoints into points,
rather than as an additional method).

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - Web-Harfer,RuneMaker,ChessUmpire,Map-Harfer - www.ackanomic.org

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 08:06:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC: Primes Defined

Tom Walmsley wrote:

> Then lets say at some point there were 31 players, who's going to go and
> prove that 31 is prime? Not me certainly.
>
> MTM.

Me!!

K 2

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 09:03:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Ray <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: AVPP

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> I have an interesting idea for that, but it depends on how breadbox
> actually records the tabulation data.
> If votes are listed on the output in order of when they were sent, then we
> could set up the following:
> 
> If a proposal meets quorum, the most mediocre voter (in order of
> submission) out of those who voted for the losing side shall receive as
> many points as if they had authored an accepted proposal.
> 
> Or, if points are abolished and thrall is introduced:
> 
> When voting results are released, the most mediocre voter on the losing
> side enthralls the most mediocre voter on the winning side.

I'm sorry -- you know how stupid I am about plot -- but what is a
"mediocre voter"?

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 09:05:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma cards of type Go Fish (fwd)

Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, JT wrote:
> *IF* a card needs to be destroyed, it is
> > one of the two in the treasure (T194).

Like I said there hasn't been any Go fish creations since the amnesty so the
destruction didn't happen.

> I've assumed K 2 is right - much more likely given the extra harfing of
> entities e does already.

Just after I took over financiering I attempted to make my log match the
runemakers.... <grin>

Anyway, I am going to post Otzma ownership (as I see it), I would encourage
everybody to make sure it corresponds to eir idea of the current game state.... (
at the end of which is the otzma ownership when I took over)

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Otzma Card: ACME Insta Gadget

     Attila the Pun has 1

Total Otzma Card: ACME Insta Gadget in circulation: 1

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Otzma Card: Art Thief

     else…if has 1
     Guy Fawkes has 1

Total Otzma Card: Art Thief in circulation: 2

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Otzma Card: Felicous Populi

     K 2 has 1

Total Otzma Card: Felicous Populi in circulation: 1

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Otzma Card: Fix My Gadget

     /dev/joe has 1
     Fortunato has 1
     Joe Java has 1
     Slakko has 1
     ThinMan has 1

Total Otzma Card: Fix My Gadget in circulation: 5

- ------
Otzma Card: Foul Fowl

     /dev/joe has 1
     Rex Mundi has 1
     Small Mew Toy has 1
     Vynd has 1
     Mr. Lunatic Fringe has 1

Total Otzma Card: Foul Fowl in circulation: 5

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Otzma Card: Founder's Boon

     Koxvolio has 1
     Rex Mundi has 1

Total Otzma Card: Founder's Boon in circulation: 2

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Otzma Card: Go Fish

     /dev/joe has 1
     Brie Clump has 1
     else…if has 1
     Koxvolio has 1
     Niccolo Flychuck has 1
     Rex Mundi has 2
     Small Mew Toy has 1
     ThinMan has 1
     Vynd has 1
     Treasure 194 has 2
     Chaos has 1
     Guy Fawkes has 1

Total Otzma Card: Go Fish in circulation: 14

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Otzma Card: Lay Off!

     Brie Clump has 1

Total Otzma Card: Lay Off! in circulation: 1

- ------
Otzma Card: Map Shard

     ThinMan has 1
     Treasure 194 has 1

Total Otzma Card: Map Shard in circulation: 2

- ------
Otzma Card: Paratroop

     /dev/joe has 1
     Koxvolio has 1
     Niccolo Flychuck has 1

Total Otzma Card: Paratroop in circulation: 3

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Otzma Card: Scientist for a Day

     Ethelred has 1
     Fortunato has 1
     JT has 1
     Small Mew Toy has 1

Total Otzma Card: Scientist for a Day in circulation: 4

- ------
Otzma Card: Share My Expenses

     K 2 has 1
     Rex Mundi has 1
     Slakko has 1
     ThinMan has 1
     Vynd has 1
     Guy Fawkes has 2

Total Otzma Card: Share My Expenses in circulation: 7

- ------
Otzma Card: Share Your Income

     Alfvaen has 1
     else…if has 1
     Fortunato has 1
     Koxvolio has 1
     Rex Mundi has 1
     Small Mew Toy has 1

Total Otzma Card: Share Your Income in circulation: 6

- ------
Otzma Card: Shield

Value: A$10

     Koxvolio has 1
     Slakko has 1

Total Otzma Card: Shield in circulation: 2

- ------
Otzma Card: Skeleton Key

     else…if has 2
     Ethelred has 1
     Treasure 226 has 1

Total Otzma Card: Skeleton Key in circulation: 4

- ------
Otzma Card: Summon Tornado

     Joe Java has 1

Total Otzma Card: Summon Tornado in circulation: 1

- ------
Otzma Card: Swinging Sale

     The Church of banna has 1

Total Otzma Card: Swinging Sale in circulation: 1

- ------
Otzma Card: Tatical Retreat

     /dev/joe has 1
     Brie Clump has 2
     Calvin N Hobbes has 1
     Niccolo Flychuck has 1
     Slakko has 1
     Vynd has 1
     Mr. Lunatic Fringe has 1

Total Otzma Card: Tatical Retreat in circulation: 8

- ------
Otzma Card: Truthseeker

     Ethelred has 1
     K 2 has 1
     Small Mew Toy has 1
     ThinMan has 2
     Treasure 226 has 2
     Mr. Lunatic Fringe has 1

Total Otzma Card: Truthseeker in circulation: 8
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you came all the way down here to look at this!!!!!

[[{ignore the dates, and use your imagination with the abbr. }]]

8/06/02 0:00 OAT C else 1
9/06/02 0:00 OAT C Guy 1
13/06/02 0:00 OFF C devjoe 1
14/06/02 0:00 OFF C Hubert 1
15/06/02 0:00 OFF C Rex 1
16/06/02 0:00 OFF C snow 1
17/06/02 0:00 OFF C Vynd 1
18/06/02 0:00 OFMG C Fortunato 1
19/06/02 0:00 OFMG C JJ 1
20/06/02 0:00 OFMG C Slakko 1
21/06/02 0:00 OFMG C T206 1
22/06/02 0:00 OFMG C ThinMan 1
23/06/02 0:00 OGF C Chaos 1
24/06/02 0:00 OGF C devjoe 1
25/06/02 0:00 OGF C else 1
26/06/02 0:00 OGF C Guy 1
27/06/02 0:00 OGF C Wild 1
28/06/02 0:00 OGF C Hubert 1
29/06/02 0:00 OGF C Koxvolio 1
30/06/02 0:00 OGF C NF 1
1/07/02 0:00 OGF C Rex 2
2/07/02 0:00 OGF C T194 2
3/07/02 0:00 OGF C TGW 1
4/07/02 0:00 OGF C ThinMan 1
5/07/02 0:00 OGF C Vynd 1
6/07/02 0:00 OGR C K2 1
7/07/02 0:00 OGR C T202 1
9/07/02 0:00 OMS C Alfvaen 1
10/07/02 0:00 OMS C devjoe 1
11/07/02 0:00 OMS C T194 1
12/07/02 0:00 OMS C ThinMan 1
13/07/02 0:00 OPT C devjoe 1
14/07/02 0:00 OPT C Koxvolio 1
15/07/02 0:00 OPT C NF 1
16/07/02 0:00 OPT C Slakko 1
18/07/02 0:00 OS4D C Fortunato 1
19/07/02 0:00 OS4D C Hubert 1
20/07/02 0:00 OS4D C Rex 1
21/07/02 0:00 OS4D C Slakko 1
23/07/02 0:00 OSK C else 2
24/07/02 0:00 OSK C Wild 1
25/07/02 0:00 OSK C Koxvolio 2
26/07/02 0:00 OSME C Guy 2
27/07/02 0:00 OSME C K2 1
28/07/02 0:00 OSME C Rex 1
29/07/02 0:00 OSME C Slakko 1
30/07/02 0:00 OSME C Vynd 1
31/07/02 0:00 OSS C rufus 1
1/08/02 0:00 OSYI C Alfvaen 1
2/08/02 0:00 OSYI C else 1
3/08/02 0:00 OSYI C Fortunato 1
4/08/02 0:00 OSYI C Hubert 1
5/08/02 0:00 OSYI C JT 1
6/08/02 0:00 OSYI C Rex 1
7/08/02 0:00 OTR C CnH 1
8/08/02 0:00 OTR C devjoe 1
9/08/02 0:00 OTR C NF 1
10/08/02 0:00 OTR C Rex 1
11/08/02 0:00 OTR C Slakko 1
12/08/02 0:00 OTR C Slakko 1
13/08/02 0:00 OTR C snow 1
14/08/02 0:00 OTR C Vynd 1
15/08/02 0:00 OTS C Fortunato 1
16/08/02 0:00 OTS C Wild 2
17/08/02 0:00 OTS C Hubert 1
18/08/02 0:00 OTS C JT 1
19/08/02 0:00 OTS C K2 1
20/08/02 0:00 OTS C snow 1
21/08/02 0:00 OTS C ThinMan 2

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 09:11:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: AVPP

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Brandon Ray wrote:

> I'm sorry -- you know how stupid I am about plot -- but what is a
> "mediocre voter"?

Sorry.  This is a term taken from the game Mediocrity.
Basically, what I mean is as follows:

List the voters who voted the same way (e.g. YES) in order of when they
voted.
The one in the middle is the most mediocre.
If the number of voters was even, then the earlier one of the two in the
middle is the most mediocre.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - Web-Harfer,RuneMaker,ChessUmpire,Map-Harfer - www.ackanomic.org

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 10:43:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Burial

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Mueller wrote:

> A red Geo Prism.  Do I need a year on there?
> 
> Studge
> 

Considering how wrong you are, no.

IB

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 12:44:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma cards of type Go Fish (fwd)

> The problem is that Alfvaen and I didn't end up 100% agreeing on the state
> of the Otzma Cards when the whole ownership dispute was raised.

Ah, yes.  Was this the one where I disagreed with Malenkai's ruling at the
time that some Otzma Card that was "gained" was transferred from some other
entity rather than created?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Tom Lehrer:That Was The Year That Was
Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End
Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs.

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 12:44:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Freddy!

> Just as Alfvaen said, the prayers for deliverance he posted shortly after
> burying that treasure had messages encoded as vigenere ciphers (I'll let
> alfvaen explain what these are to any of the newbies who joined since he
> posted a full explanation with his other treasure not long ago) with the
> key "azpiazu".

Explanation of what, Vigenere ciphers or prayers for deliverance?  :-)

> The one in July said something like "first four and last
> eight".  The first four letters in the solution to the word division
> problems were "VGNR" - an abbreviated form of "vigenere".  The last eight
> were suspiciously in alphabetical order, and as Alfvaen hinted, they were
> the key for the cipher, encoded in the other 48 characters of the solution,
> which said something like "post a public message telling who alfvaen played
> in noises off.  Sure enough, around this time he posted a message telling
> that he played freddy in noises off, in the solutions to his "cite my
> sig quotations" treasure.  Grep is godly.

I did manage to plant a couple of other mentions of Noises Off in some
places, just to keep it moderately fresh.

The program that I wrote to determine a keyword that would result in no
duplication started with "A" as the first letter and tried others
sequentially, which is why it ended up as it did.  (I could've shifted
it further down the alphabet, but I thought it'd be hard enough to find
as it was; this way it'd stick out a little more.)

> I searched his other, later prayers for deliverance for more clues, but
> only found two snide remarks about the Vulcan takeover. (or was it Pulcan?)
> When he buried the next treasure, he said he just got a new idea for a
> treasure, so I didn't look in his earlier prayers, though they might
> provide interesting reading. :-)

I honestly can't remember any more.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Iggy Pop:The Idiot
Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End
A signature always reveals a man's character -and sometimes even his name.

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 12:53:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Fortnightly Dividends, once again belated

Yes, it was another Fortnight end on Monday.  Here are the score changes
over the Virtual Fortnight that ended then:

Vynd: 65
JT: 57
breadbox: 45
else...if: 32
Alfvaen: 23
K 2: 21
Mr. Tambourine Man: 16
Publius: 15
Niccolo Flychuck: 14
rufus: 14
/dev/joe: 12
J. M. Bear: 10
Attila the Pun: 7
Ethelred: 7
IdiotBoy: 3
Rex Mundi: 1
Slakko: 1
Calvin N Hobbes: 0
Fortunato: 0
Goldenmean: 0
Horny Protoceratops: 0
Joe Java: 0
Piz: 0
Rig R. Mortis: 0
Robin Hood: 0
Studge: 0
ThinMan: 0
Tin Observer: 0
two-star: 0
Zaknafein Dourden: 0
Ayla: -5
Wild Card: -6
Koxvolio: -10
867-5309: -25

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Iggy Pop:The Idiot
Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End
It's an ill wind that spoils the broth.

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 13:09:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Agenda Reminder

You have a little over eight hours to send in your Agendas for this Cycle.
Although there are certainly enough for a full bidding cycle to proceed
this time...  You new players, don't be afraid to send some in, except for
those of you who are away from your email for the weekend...:-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Tom Lehrer:That Was The Year That Was
Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End
Straw?  No, too stupid a fad.  I put soot on warts.

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 13:24:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Pheobe

A blue and red matchbox slowly cruised through the sky.  It's pilot, or is
it passenger, a Steal Flea, watched the unsuspecting Ackazens going about
their daily business above her.

Phoebe was mad.  A Leave of Absence might sound like fun, but when you've
been living inthe same place since time immemorial, you get used to it.
Now, at long last, she was back.  Phoebe was ready for action.  She lit
several matches, stuck them out the back of the box, and flew low and fast
over the Ackan skyline.  Most everyone saw her first skywriting:
Surrender Dorothy.  But it was only when she passed by my house, with the
smoke from the matches beging to fail, that she wrote: Don't Silence the
Flea!  And then she was gone.

Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 13:58:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Ray <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Agenda Reminder

I've tried reading the rules on this, but I am still a little unclear.
Could someone please explain what Agendas are?

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> You have a little over eight hours to send in your Agendas for this Cycle.
> Although there are certainly enough for a full bidding cycle to proceed
> this time...  You new players, don't be afraid to send some in, except for
> those of you who are away from your email for the weekend...:-)
> 
> 
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Current Album--Tom Lehrer:That Was The Year That Was
> Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End
> Straw?  No, too stupid a fad.  I put soot on warts.
> 

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 15:03:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Phoebe (IdiotBoy)

IdiotBoy has found Phoebe's Matchbox.

- --JT, OiCoRT

[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 15:38:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Re: Acka: More Literature?

>> Just because I feel like it, I am issuing the following CSR, numbered
>> 145, which consists solely of proposed modifications to the Literature
>> List:
>>
>> Add the following STUFF-delimited entries to the Literature List:
>
>Were it not a moot point now, I would also object because of this:
>
>> Artist: Aeschylus
>
>Aeschylus' works are in ancient Greek. Without specifying a particular
>English translation (of which there are many, and which, as is usual
>for such stuff, have widely varying texts), it's a tad bit ambiguous
>as to what, exactly, it encompasses.
>
>breadbox

Is this not also the case with:

Sophocles
Aristotle
Plato
Homer
The Bible
The Aeneid

to name but a few things already on the literature list?

I actually thought about this, and figured it at least wouldn't
make things any worse :-).

Indeed, it seems to me that (with the possible exception of the
Bible), the text in each of these cases is not in the least bit
ambiguous; it just happens to be in either Greek or Latin.

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 15:44:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC: Primes Defined

>>Why not just state that the burden of proof is on the person who asserts
>that a
>>number is prime?  Faced with that, I would choose a number off the list
>someone
>>posted earlier, so as to avoid the hassle of arguing over Fermat's
>theorem, or
>>whatnot.  Anyone who enjoys arguing about math could use whatever other
>method
>>they want, and if it mattered to me I'd issue a CFJ and state that it was
>unproven
>>that X was prime.
>
>What if nobody actuallywanted to assert that a number was prime though? Say
>we had a rule that stated:
>
>"If ever the number of players is prime then all players will lose all
>their points and AckaDollars."
>
>Then lets say at some point there were 31 players, who's going to go and
>prove that 31 is prime? Not me certainly.
>
>MTM.

I would.

If I can't have any money, neither can anyone else!

(tho I might wait for the beginning of a cycle).

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 16:00:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Burial

IB wrote:
>On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Mueller wrote:
>
>> A red Geo Prism.  Do I need a year on there?
>> 
>> Studge
>> 
>
>Considering how wrong you are, no.
>
>IB

Hmmmm...

Here's my question: Do you have a brother named Greg (or some variation on
that name), and a father named Mark (or some variation on that name)?

Studge

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 16:01:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Re: Acka: More Literature?

>On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Micah Smukler wrote:
>
>> >On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Micah Smukler wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just because I feel like it, I am issuing the following CSR, numbered
>> >> 145, which consists solely of proposed modifications to the Literature
>> >> List:
>> >>
>> >> Add the following STUFF-delimited entries to the Literature List:
>> >>
>> >> STUFF
>> >>
>> >> Artist: Aeschylus
>> >> Artist: Jerome K. Jerome; author of Three Men in a Boat
>> >> Artist: Tom Lehrer; satirist
>> >> Artist: Douglas Hofstadter
>> >> Artist: Peter Suber; the Nomic guy
>> >> Artist: Edgar Allen Poe
>> >> Artist: Robert A. Heinlein
>> >> Artist: Herman Melville
>> >> Artist: Julius Caesar
>> >> Work: The Declaration of Independence of the United States of America
>> >> Work: The Oxford English Dictionary
>> >> Work: On Formally Undecidable Propositions in _Principia Mathematica
>> >> and related systems; Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem
>> >> STUFF
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >I object to this CSR.  I don't think its a good idea to have a Dictionary
>> >as Literature.
>> >
>> >Vynd
>> >
>> >
>> >[email-masked]
>>
>> Just out of curiousity, why not?
>>
>> And you object if the dictionary were removed?
>>
>
>Well, essentially because I don't think its a good example of literature.
>I certainly don't want to see verbatim quotes from the Dictionary showing
>up in the rules, this would seem to encourage that.
>
>If it were removed, well, I don't want to be a meany or anything, but I've
>never heard of this Jerome guy, nor Tom Lehrer.  So I'd still be halfway
>inclined to object.  Frankly, I wish that we still had to do this by
>proposal, so two guys like me, who has somehow missed out on the
>brilliant works of <insert name here> aren't the deciding factor on this
>stuff.
>
>Oh, and I'm pretty sure that some of these people are already on the list,
>especially Poe and Heinlein.
>

Really?  I wrote this with the list right in front of me.  If you're right
that either the list is wrong or I am once again monumentally stupid :-).

Jerome is a Victorian-era author (I believe); the only work of his that
I know of is Three Men In A Boat, which makes an appearance in some
Heinlein novel or other.  He really ended up there because of
free-association.

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 16:04:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Agenda Reminder

> I've tried reading the rules on this, but I am still a little unclear.
> Could someone please explain what Agendas are?

An Agenda is some condition that one must satisfy.  Currently they are
associated with Hats, as well as Eggplants.  For instance(from previous
agenda submission cycles):

The wearer of hat has submitted and had accepted a proposal whose
body contains nothing but literature (as defined by the rules) published
before January 1, 1998, and citations of that literature.

Five new players have joined Ackanomic in one calendar week while this
hat was being worn and was visible, all of these players are now active
and voting, and the Ackanomic name of at least one of these players
contains the three-word Silly phrase quoted in the first sentence of Rule
207.1.

The owner of this hat is not a member of any organization.

The owner of this eggplant has a score exactly double that of the owner
of this Hat.

What is about to draw to a close is the submission period for agendas.
What will start then will be bidding--the players who submitted agendas
submit "bids" of how many points the owner of the Hat should have to
get as well as satisfying the condition of the Hat.  (So a Hat with an
easy agenda condition should have a relatively high number of points
required as well; a nigh-impossible condition should have negative
points associated with it.)

Then the Hats get assigned more or less randomly, but the corresponding
Nemesis Eggplants get assigned to one of the low bidders(so if you bid
low on an easy Hat, you run the risk of getting the Eggplant for it).
And if someone satisfies the conditions of three Hats, and has the
requisite number of points, then they achieve a Winning Condition, and
the holders of the corresponding Nemesis Eggplants pay a penalty.

All clear?  Good.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Weird Al Yankovic:UHF Soundtrack
Current Book--Sheri S. Tepper:Shadow's End
My, the toves seem particularly slithy today.

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 16:04:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Burial

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Mueller wrote:

> IB wrote:
> >On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Mueller wrote:
> >
> >> A red Geo Prism.  Do I need a year on there?
> >> 
> >> Studge
> >> 
> >
> >Considering how wrong you are, no.
> >
> >IB
> 
> Hmmmm...
> 
> Here's my question: Do you have a brother named Greg (or some variation on
> that name), and a father named Mark (or some variation on that name)?
> 

Wow, a compound question.  No, no.

IB

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 16:22:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mueller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Burial

IB wrote:
>On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Mueller wrote:
>>IB wrote:
>>>On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Mueller wrote:
>>>
>>>> A red Geo Prism.  Do I need a year on there?
>>>> 
>>>> Studge
>>>> 
>>>
>>>Considering how wrong you are, no.
>>>
>>>IB
>> 
>>Hmmmm...
>> 
>>Here's my question: Do you have a brother named Greg
>>(or some variation on that name), and a father named
>>Mark (or some variation on that name)?
>> 
>
>Wow, a compound question.  No, no.
>
>IB

I give up.  But I just wanted people to see this:
http://www.millertime.com/
has a Miller family with a Matt in it whose whole webpage is nothing but
the picture of a car.

Gnashing my teeth in frustration,  :)
Studge

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 16:22:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Ray <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: More Literature?

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Micah Smukler wrote:

> Jerome is a Victorian-era author (I believe); the only work of his that
> I know of is Three Men In A Boat, which makes an appearance in some
> Heinlein novel or other.  He really ended up there because of
> free-association.
> 
It's a wonderful, comic novel about, um, three men in a boat, punting on
the Thames.  It is referred to in Heinlein's "Have Spacesuit, Will
Travel".  Recently, science fiction writer Connie Willis wrote a comic
time travel novel called "To Say Nothing of the Dog", which is in part a
parody of "Three Men in a Boat".  (The subtitle of Three Men is "To Say
Nothing of the Dog".)

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