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ackanomic digest         Tuesday, July 7 1998         Volume 03 : Number 226

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:22:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: actions

I debunk the Codex of Wizardry.  I thought it was cool anyway.

I leave Acka for the last time.  Its just not all that fun to
be on a list were people are intentionally rude, and where others
declare that behaviour funky and stylish.  All I can say is I never
meant to be intentionally rude to anyone, believe it or not as you
wish.

Bye all and good luck :-)

Randy

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 02:48:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka; CFCJ 171 (JT)

On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:
>Regardless of whether or not I get convicted, I think this is pretty lame.
>First and foremost, the harfers are often wrong.  Sorry to say it, but its
>true.  I simply can't stand by and assume that something that they say is
>going to be true.  So our financier says that the Felicitous Populi card
>wasn't played.  The harfers say lots of things, and then a few hours later
>they realize they made a mistake, or missed a rule, or whatever.  And then
>if I'm not sitting around checking every email as it comes in, I miss out
>through no fault of my own.
>
>So which causes less irritation and problems for the harfers?  Saying that
>I do something "if," or submitting a CFJ every time I'm not quite sure I
>agree with a harfer's interpretation of the rules?  I think this is a
>pretty damn stupid rule.  It ranks right up there with my own Caped
>Crusader Rule.  So anyway, I imagine I'll get convicted.  But next time I
>have a few hours to spare, I'm going to give this whole sins thing a good
>hard look, and I'd appreicate a fair hearing on the changes I'm sure to
>propose.

I actually agree with you in that I think conditional actions (to a VERY
limited extent) are useful.  However, I've also seen (and had to harf)
them when they are not and that can get VERY complicated as each of them
created a threadsplit that I (or some other Harfer) needs to keep track
of.

Unfortunately, in judging this (and I'm sure by now you've seen my
judgement), I had to abide by the rules first and foremost.  As long as
777.1 is a rule, you were guilty of the crime, and while I disagree with
the rule, I still needs must abide by it.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 02:58:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: It happens

On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>I hereby resign as Registrar.

I will offer to take this in an acting capacity until elections are held,
at which point I will nominate myself.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 04:53:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : my votes

Do I still have the puppet head, then ?

Niccolo Flychuck

On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> > Looks like my votes are not being counted - breadbox, I sent you a
> > copy of my original votes for these proposals.
> 
> Proposals 3215 through 3227 are indeed missing Niccolo Flychuck's
> votes. From a quick perusal, it looks like none of them will flipflop,
> fortunately. (Also, none of these were among the proposals that failed
> quorum.)
> 
> I will release corrections for these proposals in about an hour....
> 
> breadbox
> 
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> 

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 05:42:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: It happens

>> I hereby resign as Registrar.

Alfvaen has served admirably during his time as Registrar, and I for
one am grateful for his efficient and careful efforts in this
capacity.

> I will offer to take this in an acting capacity until elections are
> held, at which point I will nominate myself.

The Registar is a Functional Office, remember, so there is no
Election, just a Nomination.

breadbox

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 05:56:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Puppet heads

A memo to myself: do the dumb thing I gotta do, touch the puppet head

Niccolo Flychuck

On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> The following players have been given Puppet Heads:
> 
> Attila the Pun
> breadbox
> Calvin N Hobbes
> Fortunato
> J. M. Bear
> Koxvolio
> The Mu-Cow Hunter
> Niccolo Flychuck
> Rex Mundi
> ThinMan
> two-star
> Vynd
> 
> Actually, I'm not sure about The Mu-Cow Hunter ... was it deregistered
> in the end? My records are a bit confused on that point. (Though the
> quorum failures still occur either way, I'm afraid.)
> 
> I have no doubt that these quorum failures would not have occurred if
> I hadn't vanished like that, so I apologize to all the players whose
> proposals I have indirectly nuked.
> 
> breadbox
> 
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> 

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 06:31:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Acka: acktivity

It appears in my absence that I have been put on ice. I'm not quite sure why (I
thought I had sufficiently specified the duration of my inactivity) but not to
worry... I hereby make it known that I am changing my state to Voting.

As a second public action, I announce my name change, and declare my moral
right to henceforward be known as Ethelred.

thanks,

Ethelred
(the Ackan formerly known as Pandora)

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:35:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJs

Given that I might be on the CFJ Ineligibility List, I take myself off
said list.

Fortunato

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Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:43:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Harf

I hereby declare Proposal 3259 to be Harfy.  (Now if I could just remember
what proposal idea I'd had a little while ago that required a mountain...)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--They Might Be Giants:I Should Be Allowed To Think
Current Book--Tesseracts5
After the flood, all that was left was a small genetic pool.

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:01:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: acktivity

> It appears in my absence that I have been put on ice. I'm not quite sure why (I
> thought I had sufficiently specified the duration of my inactivity) but not to
> worry... I hereby make it known that I am changing my state to Voting.

> As a second public action, I announce my name change, and declare my moral
> right to henceforward be known as Ethelred.

If I were still Registrar, I'd ack this, but it'll have to wait for the
spacebound K 2 or whoever e appoints as Acting...or for Vynd's clause
that doesn't require the Registrar's intervention at all.

However, I've always liked the name "Ethelred".  Can I append "the Unready"
to it?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Rick Springfield:What Kind of Fool Am I
Current Book--Tesseracts5
What would hypochondriac acid dissolve?

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:04:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Potato

It appears that in eir most recent amendments saaremaa has removed any
meaning whatsoever from the term "mimsy", so e still has the Potato despite
it being of no use to em.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Rick Springfield:What Kind of Fool Am I
Current Book--Tesseracts5
They've got more pseudonyms that I've got obsessive-compulsive disorders.  --vampyr

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:10:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Player state changes

> Karma was the only player On Ice for more than 14 days when Proposal
> 3216 passed, thus his state is now On Ice. I believe that, one
> nanosecond later, he becomes a Non-Player.

Why would e become a Non-Player?  I thought that that only occurred after
90 days of being On Ice, unless I missed one of the self-deleting clauses...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--They Might Be Giants:Purple Toupee
Current Book--Tesseracts5
Too many cooks spoil the universe.  --Mark Buda

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:23:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Goodbye

Moo!
A message of many parts:
i) Firstly I'm starting nominations for registrar.
ii) I appoint JT Acting Registrar in the interim.
iii) I appoint JT Acting Map Harfer for Slakko's Vacation.
iv) I'm Still on the look out for an acting web harfer and acting Chess
umpire.

________________________
In reply to Alfvaen's query re:P3288
Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
> > Proposal 3288
> > I Should Be Allowed to Think

> > Repeal rule 1307, "Ackanomic Middle Ages".
 
> > {{/dev/joe's score is increased by 10 points. K 2's Score is reduced by
> > 10 points.}}
 
> Unless the last clause was on the previous submission of this Proposal,
> it is not in fact Foolish.

/dev/joe submitted this as proposal 1056 to which I have undated the
numerical rule pointers and appended a points distribution scheme as
allowed by the foolish rule:

>c) Either the player submitting the proposal was the author of the previous proposal, or the player submitting the proposal gives proper credit to the original author. If the original author is still a player of Ackanomic, it is considered good form to transfer some of the points gained through the resubmitted proposal's Foolishness to em.
__________________

> I debunk the Codex of Wizardry.  I thought it was cool anyway.
As did I.

> I leave Acka for the last time.  Its just not all that fun to
> be on a list were people are intentionally rude, and where others
> declare that behaviour funky and stylish.  All I can say is I never
> meant to be intentionally rude to anyone, believe it or not as you
> wish.

> Bye all and good luck :-)

Bye.

I'Spose this means the Magic Potato is in the treasury now... Nope
apparently (as Alfvaen just pointed out) mimsy's not misy any more...

> Randy

Quack Quack?

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 12:58:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Head

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.

JMB

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 13:25:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: It happens

On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:
>Alfvaen has served admirably during his time as Registrar, and I for
>one am grateful for his efficient and careful efforts in this
>capacity.

Yes, and I am remiss for not mentioning this as well.  Thank you for the
time and energy you've put into it Alfvaen.

>> I will offer to take this in an acting capacity until elections are
>> held, at which point I will nominate myself.
>
>The Registar is a Functional Office, remember, so there is no
>Election, just a Nomination.

True.  I knew that and misspoke.

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 13:49:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: acktivity

On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, L'homme a tete de choux wrote:
>It appears in my absence that I have been put on ice. I'm not quite sure why (I
>thought I had sufficiently specified the duration of my inactivity) but not to
>worry... I hereby make it known that I am changing my state to Voting.
>
>As a second public action, I announce my name change, and declare my moral
>right to henceforward be known as Ethelred.
>
>thanks,
>
>Ethelred
>(the Ackan formerly known as Pandora)

As Acting Registrar, I ack this name change.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 13:51:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Goodbye

On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, K2 wrote:

>Moo!
>A message of many parts:
>i) Firstly I'm starting nominations for registrar.

I nominate JT.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 16:53:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Player state changes

>> Karma was the only player On Ice for more than 14 days when Proposal
>> 3216 passed, thus his state is now On Ice. I believe that, one
>> nanosecond later, he becomes a Non-Player.
> 
> Why would e become a Non-Player?  I thought that that only occurred
> after 90 days of being On Ice, unless I missed one of the
> self-deleting clauses...

No, you didn't miss anything. At the time I thought that he had been
On Ice for 90 days.

I see now that he went On Ice as of July 2nd. Whoops. So he hadn't
even been On Ice for 14 days.

I stand corrected. Karma is therefore not even On Ice, but is made
Inactive, his expected date of return being as it was originally plus
14 days.

breadbox

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:30:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Player state changes

> >> Karma was the only player On Ice for more than 14 days when Proposal
> >> 3216 passed, thus his state is now On Ice. I believe that, one
> >> nanosecond later, he becomes a Non-Player.

> > Why would e become a Non-Player?  I thought that that only occurred
> > after 90 days of being On Ice, unless I missed one of the
> > self-deleting clauses...

> No, you didn't miss anything. At the time I thought that he had been
> On Ice for 90 days.

> I see now that he went On Ice as of July 2nd. Whoops. So he hadn't
> even been On Ice for 14 days.

Actually, that's _June_ 2nd, so it's approximately 35 days.  (Don't worry,
I've made that mistake myself...)

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- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Song--The Rainmakers:Downstream
Current Book--Tesseracts5
Life is complex.  It has real and imaginary parts.

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:37:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Acting Archaeologist?

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# Since I have absolutely no preference as to who becomes Archaeologist,
# and have decided not to hog it for myself, I will attempt to determine
# it randomly.  Whatever active player is selected hereby has three days
# to accept or refuse; I'll choose someone else unless e accepts.  (I
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> #T Acka: Acting Archaeologist?
> 
> #C Since I have absolutely no preference as to who becomes Archaeologist,
> #C and have decided not to hog it for myself, I will attempt to determine
> #C it randomly.  Whatever active player is selected hereby has three days
> #C to accept or refuse; I'll choose someone else unless e accepts.  (I
> #C can't remember who is Wizard, and am too lazy to look it up, so e's
> #C probably on the list.)
> #C    Alfvaen, Expert Emeritus in Bandwidth-Wasting Gizz
> #C 1: 867-5309
> #C 2: Alfvaen
> #C 3: Attila the Pun
> #C 4: breadbox
> #C 5: Calvin N Hobbes
> #C 6: /dev/joe
> #C 7: else...if
> #C 8: Fortunato
> #C 9: IdiotBoy
> #C 10: J. M. Bear
> #C 11: JT
> #C 12: K 2
> #C 13: Koxvolio
> #C 14: Niccolo Flychuck
> #C 15: Rex Mundi
> #C 16: ThinMan
> #C 17: two-star
> #C 18: Vynd
> #C 19: Zaknafein Dourden
> 
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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:48:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Registrar

	I nominate myself for registrar.  I'd like it, but if someone else
really wants it it's not a big deal.

- --
- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:03:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Registrar

On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Towsner wrote:

>	I nominate myself for registrar.  I'd like it, but if someone else
>really wants it it's not a big deal.

I'd like it cause I sorta need to keep track of player names anyway :)
(as herald, Honour scores).

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:09:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 628 (JT)

JT has been selected.
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Call for Judgement 628 - July 7, 1998
Subject: P3290 vs P3296
Initiator: Alfvaen (Sent 7 Jul 1998, 20:39 Acka)
Judge: JT (Selected 7 Jul 1998, 21:10 Acka)

Statement:
The game effect that would occur if Proposal 3296 was adopted is
substantially similar to that of Proposal 3290.

Alfvaen's Reasoning:
Proposal 3290 states 'Repeal Rule 1308 (Bracket/Smiley Pedantry)'.
Proposal 3296 states 'Repeal Rule Rule 1308, "Bracket/Smiley Pedantry'.
    [Hmmm.  Don't remember typing "Rule" twice...oops.  Obviously I
should have called the Proposal something erudite like "Paris In The
The Spring"...]

Anyway, either of these Proposals would result in the repeal of Rule 1308
if accepted, so this is really a no-brainer.  Free Bronze Torch points!

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 22:26:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Stocks

I sell all of my stocks.

                                     - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 23:21:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alexandre Owen Muniz <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Pointless Gesture

memo to myself: do the dumb things I gotta do, touch the puppet head.

**two-star

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