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ackanomic digest         Monday, July 6 1998         Volume 03 : Number 224

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 00:22:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Player States III

Okay - as I understand it, the concept of Vacation has been replaced
with Inactive, the concept of Undead has been replaced with On Ice,
and the concept of Pending has simply been wiped out. (Maybe saaremaa
can explain to me the reason for that last change?)

Obviously this means that the results I've already posted for
Proposals 3217 onward are incorrect (though I seriously doubt any of
their actual results w/r/t acceptance are incorrect). I need to do
some rewriting of my scripts before I can release the new results -
please bear with me.

Here's an interesting question: how do players on vacation -- excuse
me -- how do inactive players affect quorum? The now-repealed Rule 255
had a clause that ensured that an inactive player only counted towards
quorum iff they had voted on that proposal. I don't see any such
provision in the new rules. I think this means that inactive players
are not including in the quorum calculation, whether or not they
voted. (Which is I think unfortunate, but hardly constitutes a problem
in the short term.)

Other than those two item, I think everything should mostly work as
before.

breadbox
rolling up sleeves

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 00:48:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Not Replacing Slakko

I have recently discovered, to my surprise, that the five megabytes of web
space I had on my server back a few months ago when I was Web-Harfer is now
reduced to a measly two megabytes, barely enough for my personal web pages,
let alone Acka's.  So I must unfortunately rescind my offer to serve as
Acting Web-Harfer in Slakko's absence.  (I know that others may have web
space out there, but frankly I'd rather not maintain a site like this
remotely.  I have enough trouble doing it with my Random Band Name Server,
which thus does not get updated as often as it should.)

Odds are I'll be looking for another ISP, since this is a rather nasty turn,
IMHO.  (I signed on to Telus when Terranet collapsed in Grande Prairie, and
there were literally no other alternatives.  In Edmonton I have rather a few
more.)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Elton John:Honky Chateau
Current Book--Fred Saberhagen:The Dracula Tape
This is *NOT FUN*.  I've had fun before, and this *ISN'T IT*.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 02:49:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Player States III

> Here's an interesting question: how do players on vacation -- excuse
> me -- how do inactive players affect quorum? The now-repealed Rule 255
> had a clause that ensured that an inactive player only counted towards
> quorum iff they had voted on that proposal. I don't see any such
> provision in the new rules. I think this means that inactive players
> are not including in the quorum calculation, whether or not they
> voted. (Which is I think unfortunate, but hardly constitutes a problem
> in the short term.)

Actually, I see now that it might very well have an effect. The
inactive players who took the time to vote before leaving will not
count towards the quorum, so I imagine it's very likely that some of
these proposals are going to suffer a quorum failure. Oh well - que
sera, sera.

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 04:07:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Web-Harferness

From now on I cannot guarantee that the website will be up.
However, I have a mirror site, which should be as bug-free as possible.

So replace any address starting with
http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
so that it starts with
http://www.dpmms.cam.ac.uk/~dcr24/

Note: the main directory for Acka is Nomic/Acka/  (on the mirror site,
case is important).  All subdirectories should be in lower case, e.g.
Nomic/Acka/entity

If you get broken links because of bad case, this should enable you to fix
them.  I've tried to ensure this can't happen, but given the number of
pages here I can't make any guarantees.

There should also be a zip file in the main acka directory, acka.zip,
which has the complete up to date files as of now.  Whoever ends up being
Acting Web-Harfer should probably download and extract this.

Best of luck.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - Web-Harfer,RuneMaker,ChessUmpire,Map-Harfer - www.ackanomic.org

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 04:18:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Vacation

I resign as RuneMaker.

[JT expressed interest in this position.]

I go Inactive, expected duration 22 Days.

[I suggest that someone be willing to be Web-Harfer, JT become Acting
Map-Harfer, and that canvassing should be done to see who should become
Acting ChessUmpire and Acting Archaeologist.]

Have a good time, people.  Keep it harfy.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - Web-Harfer,RuneMaker,ChessUmpire,Map-Harfer - www.ackanomic.org

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 05:07:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Solstice Predictions

Here are the actual results of the Solstice predictions, with an X
indicating a correct guess:

          JT  /dev/joe  else...if  K 2  Slakko  Attila  Alfvaen
          --  --------  ---------  ---  ------  ------  -------
3223: a   X      X          X       X     X       X        X
3224: r   X      X          X       X             X
3225: a   X      X          X       X     X       X        X
3226: a   X      X          X       X     X       X        X
3227: a   X                 X             X
3228: r   X      X          X       X     X                X
3229: r                     X       X     X                X
3230: a   X      X          X       X     X       X        X
3231: a   X      X          X             X       X

Looks like else...if is the only one who guessed every one of them
correctly! Thus else...if is, if I am not mistaken, the new True
Prophet and receives an Indiana Jones Staff.

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 05:32:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Puppet heads

The following players have been given Puppet Heads:

Attila the Pun
breadbox
Calvin N Hobbes
Fortunato
J. M. Bear
Koxvolio
The Mu-Cow Hunter
Niccolo Flychuck
Rex Mundi
ThinMan
two-star
Vynd

Actually, I'm not sure about The Mu-Cow Hunter ... was it deregistered
in the end? My records are a bit confused on that point. (Though the
quorum failures still occur either way, I'm afraid.)

I have no doubt that these quorum failures would not have occurred if
I hadn't vanished like that, so I apologize to all the players whose
proposals I have indirectly nuked.

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 05:46:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : my votes

Looks like my votes are not being counted - breadbox, I sent you a copy of
my original votes for these proposals.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 06:08:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : my votes

> Looks like my votes are not being counted - breadbox, I sent you a
> copy of my original votes for these proposals.

Proposals 3215 through 3227 are indeed missing Niccolo Flychuck's
votes. From a quick perusal, it looks like none of them will flipflop,
fortunately. (Also, none of these were among the proposals that failed
quorum.)

I will release corrections for these proposals in about an hour....

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 06:08:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3226 accepted

Moo!
I Donate The following Items (or should I say entities from the above
list) to
The Cubical Implementation Society:
1 Silver Spaceship
3 Pulse Lasers

I now donate to The Cubical Implementation Society:
1 Gravitational Monopole

The CEIS is now fully (or perhaps over) equipped.

1 Entity by MTM
5 Entities by Vynd
5 Entities by K 2

[I sell 10 Stocks for cash. I play my Felicitous Populi Otzma on The
possibility that I will be selected to take a ride in the
silver-spaceship
according to rule 1319.2 and pay A$400 to make it so]

I note that the previous two sentences had no semantic meaning and were
BWG.

OiCoRT do yur stuff :)

K 2

nomicbot wrote:

> Results of Proposal 3226
>
> 15/25 votes: Quorum achieved
> 12/13 YES votes: Proposal accepted
>
> > Proposal 3226 - Mon 15 Jun 1998 06:17 EDT
> > Consistency
> > Vynd (John McCoy)
> >
> > This is a Modest Proposal
> >
> > Amend Rule 1319 Cubical Earth Implementation Society in the following
> > manner:

Quack Quack?

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 07:36:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Puppet heads

>The following players have been given Puppet Heads:
>
>Rex Mundi

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 08:54:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

Moo!
Web Harfer, Map Harfer and ChessUmpire are functional and fall under my
preview, so applications are welcome.

Applications for Acting-Archaeologist  to Alfvaen

Runmaker is political so it needs an election and thus is breadbox's
responsibility...

I also note that with saremmaa's placement as Acting-Inventor it is eir
duty? to announce when the SoC auction started by MTM on 03 Jul 1998
15:02:37 ends.

K 2

Duncan Richer wrote:

> I resign as RuneMaker.
> [I suggest that someone be willing to be Web-Harfer, JT become Acting
> Map-Harfer, and that canvassing should be done to see who should become
> Acting ChessUmpire and Acting Archaeologist.]

Quack Quack?

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:01:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Why?

To all those who voted against quorum repeal  -- Why?

Is this what we want?

saaremaa
this is not real life

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:07:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

> Web Harfer, Map Harfer and ChessUmpire are functional and fall under my
> preview, so applications are welcome.
> 
> Applications for Acting-Archaeologist  to Alfvaen

And what ever happened to my call for a historian election?

saaremaa

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:16:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Why?

> To all those who voted against quorum repeal  -- Why?

> Is this what we want?

I'm sorry.  I don't remember the gist of the quorum repeal idea, but is what
we want for a Proposal to pass when only one player voted on it?  I remember
the abduction of Rule 106--that can't happen now, but it is not impossible
that something like that could.  People are no longer made instantly non-
voting by quorum failure, but it is theoretically possible for the ability
to vote to disappear with only one player having voted on a Proposal; do we
want that result to dictate the passage of that Proposal?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Elton John:Hercules
Current Book--Fred Saberhagen:The Dracula Tape
Robert lived in Vermont, where he ate only the heads off chocolate bunnies.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:24:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3226 accepted

On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, K2 wrote:

> Moo!
> I Donate The following Items (or should I say entities from the above
> list) to
> The Cubical Implementation Society:
> 1 Silver Spaceship
> 3 Pulse Lasers
> 
> I now donate to The Cubical Implementation Society:
> 1 Gravitational Monopole
> 
> The CEIS is now fully (or perhaps over) equipped.
> 
> 1 Entity by MTM
> 5 Entities by Vynd
> 5 Entities by K 2
> 
> [I sell 10 Stocks for cash. I play my Felicitous Populi Otzma on The
> possibility that I will be selected to take a ride in the
> silver-spaceship
> according to rule 1319.2 and pay A$400 to make it so]
> 
> I note that the previous two sentences had no semantic meaning and were
> BWG.
> 
> OiCoRT do yur stuff :)
> 
> K 2

I knew I should have crumbled some of those things, or at least offered to
buy them off of you.  If it is the case that K 2 has played a Felicitous
Populi card on the determination of who rides the rocket, as quoted above,
then I am playing a Go Fish Otzma Card on his Felicitous Populi play.

                                     - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:50:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3226 accepted

Moo!
> I knew I should have crumbled some of those things, or at least offered to
> buy them off of you.  If it is the case that K 2 has played a Felicitous
> Populi card on the determination of who rides the rocket, as quoted above,
> then I am playing a Go Fish Otzma Card on his Felicitous Populi play.
> 
>                                      - Vynd
> 
Moo!
From 340:
The following conventions apply to all Ackanomic text, except where a
specific type of text (e.g. rules), is specified. 

IV. Text delimited by square brackets [e.g. this] is a note. Notes have
no semantic meaning. 

Thus I didn't play the felicious pop card nor was it go fished. Thus
there is was and always will be a 50% chance of Vynd winning :)

Game custom suports this since otherwise /dev/joe would have traded a
rock to wind a string around to i-forget-who for A$1000.

I think that Vynd is guilty of a sin tho...

K 2
Quack Quack?

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:52:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Puppet heads

> Actually, I'm not sure about The Mu-Cow Hunter ... was it deregistered
> in the end? My records are a bit confused on that point. (Though the
> quorum failures still occur either way, I'm afraid.)

The Mu-Cow Hunter did indeed end up removed from the game, through some
CFCJ submitted to the proper Acting Clerk of the Courts, probably mine.

> I have no doubt that these quorum failures would not have occurred if
> I hadn't vanished like that, so I apologize to all the players whose
> proposals I have indirectly nuked.

Aah, fuggetaboutit.  It happens.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--They Might Be Giants:Purple Toupee
Current Book--Fred Saberhagen:The Dracula Tape
You can't hang people before you've caught them.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:56:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Harf

As Harfmeister, I am declaring Proposal 3241 to be Harfy.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Elton John:Hercules
Current Book--Fred Saberhagen:The Dracula Tape
I didn't really die.  It was just a long night.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:05:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Solstice Predictions

> Looks like else...if is the only one who guessed every one of them
> correctly! Thus else...if is, if I am not mistaken, the new True
> Prophet and receives an Indiana Jones Staff.

All hail else...if, Emperor of Ackanomic!  I mean, True Prophet of
Ackanomic!

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Belinda Carlisle:La Luna
Current Book--Fred Saberhagen:The Dracula Tape
Playing jazz vibe chords quickly excites my wife.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:21:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Puppet heads

Memo to myself:

Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:24:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Puppet heads

Memo to myself:

Do the dumb things I gotta do.  Touch the Puppet Head.

<sigh>

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Brian Raiter [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Monday, July 06, 1998 4:32 AM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Acka: Puppet heads
>
>The following players have been given Puppet Heads:
>
>Attila the Pun
>breadbox
>Calvin N Hobbes
>Fortunato
>J. M. Bear
>Koxvolio
>The Mu-Cow Hunter
>Niccolo Flychuck
>Rex Mundi
>ThinMan
>two-star
>Vynd
>
>Actually, I'm not sure about The Mu-Cow Hunter ... was it deregistered
>in the end? My records are a bit confused on that point. (Though the
>quorum failures still occur either way, I'm afraid.)
>
>I have no doubt that these quorum failures would not have occurred if
>I hadn't vanished like that, so I apologize to all the players whose
>proposals I have indirectly nuked.
>
>breadbox

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:35:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Once again, I am Count Tabula

The Office of RuneMaker is vacant. I am hereby announcing a Nomination
for this office.

The Office of Historian is vacant. I am hereby announcing a Nomination
for this office.

When nominating yourself, please don't forget to specify the Office.

If there are any other Count Tabula duties that I currently need to
fulfill, drop me a line. To the best of my knowledge, this should be
it for the time being.

(Hopefully this time I won't get yanked off the net before finishing
my duties....)

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 11:33:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: *whew*

I believe that all of the web pages I maintain are now up-to-date, and
that my delinquent duites have all been dispatched.

If I've overlooked anything, please let me know.

It's good to be back.

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 11:53:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Postmasterness

Horny Porotoceratops' email has been bouncing for - well, for a while
now. I am exercising the Postmaster's privilege to move em to the
digest lists.

breadbox

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:12:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Puppet heads

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.

                                  - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:21:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: On the safe side

On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, K2 wrote:

> Moo!
> > I knew I should have crumbled some of those things, or at least offered to
> > buy them off of you.  If it is the case that K 2 has played a Felicitous
> > Populi card on the determination of who rides the rocket, as quoted above,
> > then I am playing a Go Fish Otzma Card on his Felicitous Populi play.
> > 
> >                                      - Vynd
> > 
> Moo!
> >From 340:
> The following conventions apply to all Ackanomic text, except where a
> specific type of text (e.g. rules), is specified. 
> 
> IV. Text delimited by square brackets [e.g. this] is a note. Notes have
> no semantic meaning. 
> 
> Thus I didn't play the felicious pop card nor was it go fished. Thus
> there is was and always will be a 50% chance of Vynd winning :)
> 
> Game custom suports this since otherwise /dev/joe would have traded a
> rock to wind a string around to i-forget-who for A$1000.
> 
> I think that Vynd is guilty of a sin tho...
> 
> K 2
> Quack Quack?
> 

I don't care, I still did it (or not).  In fact, I'm doing it again, just
in case it didn't work the first time (or not doing it, if thats what I
did).  I've haven't gotten this far in Acka by assuming the rules are
correct.

                                   - Vynd :)

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:36:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Getting really paranoid now

I am boarding the Silver Spaceship that was donated to the CEIS, along
with the other entities that were donated.  I then go forth to execute the
Cubicalization plan.

Even I don't believe this actually works, not without a random
determination first.  But The rule doesn't specifically call for a random
determination, and I can't really recall the game custom on this sort of
thing, and once I said "You can't trust the rules," I got to thinking...
So anyway, you gotta figure its worth a shot.

                             - Vynd, doesn't trust luck either

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:59:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: Puppet heads

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.

ThinMan

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:26:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Getting really paranoid now

>                              - Vynd, doesn't trust luck either

Like to buy my otzma card? :)

K 2
> 
> [email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:26:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Misc: My Dad's bigger than your Dad

> I don't care, I still did it (or not).  In fact, I'm doing it again, just
> in case it didn't work the first time (or not doing it, if thats what I
> did).

I thwap you as hard as it is legal for me to do so, and then a little
bit harder, for not playing the go fish on the felicitous populi card I
didn't play and for not doing it again.

I then make the following statement under the auspices of proposal 750
and then run away and hide :p

[Vynd smells! Eeeeuuuurrrgghh]

K 2

>  I've haven't gotten this far in Acka by assuming the rules are
> correct.

Yes you Have :)

> 
>                                    - Vynd :)
> 
> [email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 16:19:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Puppet heads

Memo to myself: Do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.

CnH

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 17:19:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Acting CotC stuff

As of now, I believe the following to be correct.

CFCJ 170 is currently being judged by IdiotBoy.
The next CFCJ number is 171
The next CFJ number is 627

The following people are on the CFJ Ineligibility List
Calvin N Hobbes (voluntary CFJ ineligibility)
Rex Mundi (voluntary CFJ ineligibility)
Alfvaen (deadbeat)

The following people are ineligible to judge CFJs for other reasons
saaremaa  (justice)
ThinMan (justice)
/dev/joe (justice)
Horny Protoceratops (on ice)
Wild Card (on ice)
Zaknafein Dourden (on ice)
Joe Java (inactive)
Ayla (inactive)
Slakko (inactive)
rufus (inactive)
Mr. Tambourine Man (inactive)
Goldenmean (non-voting)
Pandora (non-voting)
Robert Sevin (non-voting)

That means that the following people are eligible to judge CFJs
K 2
Attila the Pun
Fortunato
IdiotBoy
867-5309
J. M. Bear
Koxvolio
Niccolo Flychuck
two-star
JT (robes)
breadbox
else...if
Vynd

If anyone disagrees with the above, please speak up :)

My random dice have chosen /dev/joe to fill in for Mr. Tambourine Man in
the Cortex of the Golden Frog.

As regards Vynd and Fortunato being deadbeat, I couldn't find them
removing themselves from when they went deadbeat back in march on CFJ539,
but they have been selected by both MTM and Slakko when he was acting
CotC, and they both claimed to have removed themselves, so I am treating
them as if they are not on the CFJ Ineligibility List.  however, to be on
the safe side, they each might want to send some mail to the list
officially removing themselves just in case :)

I will send out the CF{C}J's that I've recieved momentarily now that I
have the info I needed to do so :)
Thanks to the folks who helped me find the relevant info :)

- --JT

[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka; CFJ 267 (else...if)

else...if has been selected.

- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Call for Judgement 627 - July 5, 1998
Subject: Whamiols
Initiator: Alfvaen (Sent 5 Jul 1998, 22:46 Acka)
Judge: else...if (Selected 6 Jul 1998, 17:38 Acka)

Statement:
Upon the correct results for Proposal 3215 having been posted, Whamiols were
not triggered(i.e. did not award points to their owners).

Alfvaen's Reasoning:
Rule 254, "Player States", says that:

"A Pending player becomes Active when it becomes publically knowable
that he has voted on a proposal."

Horny Protoceratops was Pending when e went on Vacation on June 19.
E had voted on Proposal 3215, but this did not become publicly knowable
until July 5, at which time e was on Vacation, not Pending.

I believe that upon eir return from Vacation, e will be returned to
"the player state beside Vacation he most recently had", Pending, at
which point Rule 254's clause will trigger, e will become Active, and
the Whamiols will be set off.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 17:40:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka; CFCJ 171 (JT)

JT has been selected.

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Call for Criminal Judgment 171 - July 6, 1998
Subject: Original Sin
Initiator: K 2 (Sent 6 Jul 1998, 09:53 Acka)
Judge: JT (Selected 6 Jul 1998, 17:39 Acka)

Statement:
Vynd committed the Crime of Original Sin on 6th of July 1998

Reasoning:
At 09:24:09 on the date in question, the nefarious evil doer, Vynd
posted the following message:
>I knew I should have crumbled some of those things, 
>or at least offered to buy them off of you.  
>If it is the case that K 2 has played a Felicitous
>Populi card on the determination of who rides the 
>rocket, as quoted above, then I am playing a Go 
>Fish Otzma Card on his Felicitous Populi play.
>                     - Vynd

The action of playing the Go Fish card is clearly conditional on the
game state.

Whereever that most deadly of sins is in the rule set right now it reads
in part:
>Attempting to take a public action which is conditional 
>upon one or more aspects of the Ackan game
>state, the truth or falsehood of which aspects must be 
>determined by the Harfers, constitutes a commission of this 
>vile, heinous, and extremely naughty Sin.

and rule 777 states in part:
>A player who commits any of the Seven Deadly Sins 
>is guilty of the Crime of Original Sin, and a judge 
>convicting such a player is encouraged to be as harsh 
>as possible in penalizing the infidel.

The Financier/Runemaker must determine if the felicitous populi was
played in order ro determine if the go fish was played. The
Financier/Runemaker is a Harfer as that term is customarily applied.

Take em away.

Since this vile miscreant is about to hop into a spaceship to avoid
justice the penalty should be particularly harsh.

Suggested Penalty:
A 70 line penalty
Transference of a Scroll of Crumble and A$ 25 to the initiator of this
CFCJ.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 17:45:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Acka: ph

Memo to myself: do the dumb things I gotta do. Touch the puppet head.

Give me ambiguity or give me something else!

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 171 (TRUE)

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JT has judged this TRUE.

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Call for Criminal Judgment 171 - July 6, 1998
Subject: Original Sin
Initiator: K 2 (Sent 6 Jul 1998, 09:53 Acka)
Judge: JT (Selected 6 Jul 1998, 17:39 Acka)
Verdict: True

Statement:
Vynd committed the Crime of Original Sin on 6th of July 1998

Reasoning:
At 09:24:09 on the date in question, the nefarious evil doer, Vynd
posted the following message:
>I knew I should have crumbled some of those things, 
>or at least offered to buy them off of you.  
>If it is the case that K 2 has played a Felicitous
>Populi card on the determination of who rides the 
>rocket, as quoted above, then I am playing a Go 
>Fish Otzma Card on his Felicitous Populi play.
>                     - Vynd

The action of playing the Go Fish card is clearly conditional on the
game state.

Whereever that most deadly of sins is in the rule set right now it reads
in part:
>Attempting to take a public action which is conditional 
>upon one or more aspects of the Ackan game
>state, the truth or falsehood of which aspects must be 
>determined by the Harfers, constitutes a commission of this 
>vile, heinous, and extremely naughty Sin.

and rule 777 states in part:
>A player who commits any of the Seven Deadly Sins 
>is guilty of the Crime of Original Sin, and a judge 
>convicting such a player is encouraged to be as harsh 
>as possible in penalizing the infidel.

The Financier/Runemaker must determine if the felicitous populi was
played in order ro determine if the go fish was played. The
Financier/Runemaker is a Harfer as that term is customarily applied.

Take em away.

Since this vile miscreant is about to hop into a spaceship to avoid
justice the penalty should be particularly harsh.

Suggested Penalty:
A 70 line penalty
Transference of a Scroll of Crumble and A$ 25 to the initiator of this
CFCJ.

Judge's Reasoning:
The only thing at question was whether or not the Financier or RuneMaker was
a 'Harfer', and that I believe to be the case.
There is no question in my mind that this was in fact an attempt at a
conditional action.
Therefore, I find that Vynd did in fact commit the Sin of Annoying the Harfers
and judge TRUE with the following Penalty.

Actual Penalty:
A SENTANCE of 3 days in Gaol.
(note that this could actually remove him from the spaceship if he's
already taken off :)
A PUBLIC APOLOGY of 20 lines.
The TRANSFERANCE of A$25 to K 2. (to cover legal fees)
I believe these are sufficiently harsh for the vile crime committed.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:47:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Player state changes II

>By Rule 17 (what was Rule 258), every ex-player who has an Undead is
>turned back into a Player, with their state being On Ice, and their
>Undead is destroyed after giving all of its possessions back to the
>player in question (except that their scores are all set to zero).
	So every undead became a player?  Does anyone know how many undead
there are/were?

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- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:53:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Player state changes II

On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Towsner wrote:
>>By Rule 17 (what was Rule 258), every ex-player who has an Undead is
>>turned back into a Player, with their state being On Ice, and their
>>Undead is destroyed after giving all of its possessions back to the
>>player in question (except that their scores are all set to zero).
>	So every undead became a player?  Does anyone know how many undead
>there are/were?

K 2' s Undead page, as well as my honour roll page should list these.  My
Honour roll page will be changed over tonight or tomorrow so I can display
it correctly.

- --JT

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:51:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Who Gets To Ride The Rocket?

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:01:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Acting CotC stuff

Fine, I'm not on the CFJ Ineligibility list, but for a split second, I
pretned I am and:

I remove myself from the CFJ ineligibility list.

                              - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:32:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Potato

saaremaa found the Magic Potato today.

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Current Book--Tesseracts5
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:45:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka; CFCJ 171 (JT)

On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, JT wrote:

> JT has been selected.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Call for Criminal Judgment 171 - July 6, 1998
> Subject: Original Sin
> Initiator: K 2 (Sent 6 Jul 1998, 09:53 Acka)
> Judge: JT (Selected 6 Jul 1998, 17:39 Acka)
> 
> Statement:
> Vynd committed the Crime of Original Sin on 6th of July 1998
> 
> Reasoning:
> At 09:24:09 on the date in question, the nefarious evil doer, Vynd
> posted the following message:
> >I knew I should have crumbled some of those things, 
> >or at least offered to buy them off of you.  
> >If it is the case that K 2 has played a Felicitous
> >Populi card on the determination of who rides the 
> >rocket, as quoted above, then I am playing a Go 
> >Fish Otzma Card on his Felicitous Populi play.
> >                     - Vynd
> 
> The action of playing the Go Fish card is clearly conditional on the
> game state.
> 
> Whereever that most deadly of sins is in the rule set right now it reads
> in part:
> >Attempting to take a public action which is conditional 
> >upon one or more aspects of the Ackan game
> >state, the truth or falsehood of which aspects must be 
> >determined by the Harfers, constitutes a commission of this 
> >vile, heinous, and extremely naughty Sin.
> 
> and rule 777 states in part:
> >A player who commits any of the Seven Deadly Sins 
> >is guilty of the Crime of Original Sin, and a judge 
> >convicting such a player is encouraged to be as harsh 
> >as possible in penalizing the infidel.
> 
> The Financier/Runemaker must determine if the felicitous populi was
> played in order ro determine if the go fish was played. The
> Financier/Runemaker is a Harfer as that term is customarily applied.
> 

Regardless of whether or not I get convicted, I think this is pretty lame.
First and foremost, the harfers are often wrong.  Sorry to say it, but its
true.  I simply can't stand by and assume that something that they say is
going to be true.  So our financier says that the Felicitous Populi card
wasn't played.  The harfers say lots of things, and then a few hours later
they realize they made a mistake, or missed a rule, or whatever.  And then
if I'm not sitting around checking every email as it comes in, I miss out
through no fault of my own.

So which causes less irritation and problems for the harfers?  Saying that
I do something "if," or submitting a CFJ every time I'm not quite sure I
agree with a harfer's interpretation of the rules?  I think this is a
pretty damn stupid rule.  It ranks right up there with my own Caped
Crusader Rule.  So anyway, I imagine I'll get convicted.  But next time I
have a few hours to spare, I'm going to give this whole sins thing a good
hard look, and I'd appreicate a fair hearing on the changes I'm sure to
propose.

                                   - Vynd

[email-masked]

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