Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #174
From: [email-masked] (ackanomic digest)
To: [email-masked]

ackanomic digest         Tuesday, June 9 1998         Volume 03 : Number 174

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:12:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: more Cortex selection questions

On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Randy Hall wrote:

> > Okay.  I have a) no idea of exactly which cortices exist which was my
> > previous question.
> 
> It is my *guess* that the only fully-manned cortex which I am not 
> a member is breadbox/ThinMan.  I believe Guy Fawkes was impeached,
> leaving T&T half-manned, and no one has been selected for the
> (alledegly) vacationing MTM.

Guy Fawkes was not impeached.  E automatically forfeited eir offices when
e reached 14 days On Ice.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:35:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3163 accepted

On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, nomicbot wrote:

> > Proposal 3163 - Sun 31 May 1998 14:34 EDT
> > I speak with forked tongue
> > JT (JT Traub)
> > 
> > Amend rule 854 with the following HISSSSS delimited text
> > HISSSSS
> > Forked Tongue: Cost A$250 - Players who have this mutation have a better
> > ability to speak and pronounce the language of the ancients. Whenever a
> > player with this mutation reads an ancient text [such as the Ackanomicon or
> > a Spell Book of Chorg] and the result of that reading of the text specifies
> > a random outcome, the player shall have a 25% chance of being able to pick
> > the outcome deterministically. This paragraph takes precedence over any
> > rules with which it conflicts.
> > HISSSSS
> > 
> > {{[The purpose here is to have a bit of fun, and give a bit of control to
> > some players over some of the more random but fun events]}}

 I venture out to the Ackanomic Institute of Genetic Replication and
request that I be mutated to have a Forked Tongue, and whilst I am there
one pointy ear also.

 Wild Card.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:59:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 166 (TRUE)

The Cortex of the Golden Frog has upheld the judgement of TRUE.
Saaremaa is penalized 1 point for the appeal.

- --JT, Acting CotC, who is off to buy himself a watch set to EDT.
[as a note, the time for ThinMan's selection has been corrected so that
times should now be correct across the board]

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Criminal Judgement 166 - June 8, 1998
Subject: Mu-Cow Hunter, Crime of Disinterest
Initiator: Saaremaa (sent June 8, 00:10)
Judge: Thin Man (selected June 8, 01:48) - Incorrectly selected by ACotC
Judge: Slakko (selected June 8, 10:21)
Verdict: TRUE
Appealed: Saaremaa (June 9, 12:32 Acka)
Cortex: The Cortex of the Golden Frog (breadox and Dennis and Edna acting for 
        Saaremaa and Mr. Tambourine Man) (Selected June 9th, 14:34 Acka)
Verdict: TRUE

Statement:
The Mu-Cow Hunter committed the Crime of Disinterest on June 7th, 1998.

Initiator's Comments:
See rule 422; the rules no longer allow the Mu-Cow Hunter
to get away with not being subscribed to a mailing list.
Lets clean it out.

Suggested Penalty:
EXPULSION from the game.

Judge's Reasoning:
There is no email address listed as being that of the Mu-Cow Hunter on any
of the Registrar Pages, and the Mu-Cow Hunter never provided the Registrar
with an email on eir entry to the game.  Therefore, no email address
belonging to the Mu-Cow Hunter exists, and so no email address belonging
to the Mu-Cow Hunter is on the ackanomic or ackanomic-digest lists.
Therefore e was Disinterested on June 7th, 1998, and committed the Crime
of Disinterest on that date.

However, the CFJ was sent on the same day the alleged Crime took place.
This means it cannot be a CFCJ, as Rule 710 specifies that:

>3) Its "statement" shall be "X committed the Crime of Y on Z", where X is
>replaced with the name of a registered player, Y is replaced by the
>name of a Crime as defined in the current ruleset, and Z is replaced by a
>date between 1 and 30 days prior to the current date. 

Hence the above TRUE judgement is actually on a CFJ, not a CFCJ.

Judges Penalty:
If it is legal for me to suggest a penalty, then I concur with the
suggestion of EXPULSION from the game.
However, I belive that the nature of the statement, which means this
cannot be a CFCJ, means that I am unable to hand down a penalty.

Appealers Reasoning:
Sigh.  It was sent after midnight on the 8th.

I appeal it to set the record straight, and decline to hear the appeal
as described in the rules.  Perhaps the original judge can explain how
e thought it was submitted at 21:10, when the proposal results were
distributed 23: something :-)  If the Court cares, I can forward it from
my sent folder...

Supreme Court's Reasoning (as given by Dennis and Edna):
  It is clear that the Mu-Cow Hunter committed the crime of disinterest on
the date in question.  The only issue here is whether the CFCJ was submitted
in accordance with the CFCJ rules.  Since the CFCJ is based on information
not known until June 7, 23:57, it is quite clear that the times originally
attributed to this CFJ by the acting CotC were incorrect.  Indeed, one time
on the most recent distribution is still incorrect -- the time it was
originally erroneously assigned to ThinMan, which should be 01:48 on June 8,
assuming the selection was made moments before the mail was sent.  The CFCJ
was submitted on June 8 and the crime occurred on June 7 as specified in the
statement, so this is a valid CFCJ which should be ruled TRUE.

In any case, the actual penalty is still expulsion from the game (except that
this fails to do anything since the Mu-Cow Hunter will already have been
expelled by CFCJ167 before this penalty applies), and the appealer is
penalized 1 point.

[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:11:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P/E page.

 Might I inform KII that I /am/ not a:

 "Card Carrying Member of MetaMorph"

 But rather SPAM.

 Wild Card.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:13:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Question.

 If Proposal 3186 passes, what will the names that Rules and Proposals
have be?

 Wild Card.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:22:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Question.

On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

>  If Proposal 3186 passes, what will the names that Rules and Proposals
> have be?

Unamed thing #n, where n is the lowest positive integer such that they
have unique names.  I think.  
ruf

> 
>  Wild Card.
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:28:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: /That/ Room...

 I go into the Vault of the Book, and use my newly grafted facility with
the toungue of the ancients to read the book, attempting to be able to
choose which page I read.

 Wild Card.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:31:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Frobnoster

 I offer to trade my Pyratic Frobnoster in exchange for 50 swingpoints.

 Wild Card.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:32:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: /That/ Room...

On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

> 
>  I go into the Vault of the Book, and use my newly grafted facility with
> the toungue of the ancients to read the book, attempting to be able to
> choose which page I read.

I laugh at these actions.

rufus

> 
>  Wild Card.
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:34:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: /That/ Room...

On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, David Scheidt wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> 
> > 
> >  I go into the Vault of the Book, and use my newly grafted facility with
> > the toungue of the ancients to read the book, attempting to be able to
> > choose which page I read.
> 
> I laugh at these actions.
> 
> rufus
> 
 I threaten to perform a vulcan neck pinch upon rufus unless he stops
laughing...

 Wild Card.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:40:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: /That/ Room...

On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

>  I threaten to perform a vulcan neck pinch upon rufus unless he stops
> laughing...
> 
>  Wild Card.
> 
My heads try to stop laughing, but keep giving each other funny looks and
burst out in to continued hysterics.  

rufus, who doesn't think WC has a forked tongue.

> 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:42:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: /That/ Room...

On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

>
> I go into the Vault of the Book, and use my newly grafted facility with
>the toungue of the ancients to read the book, attempting to be able to
>choose which page I read.

My intent (and I believe the language of the rule) would bear out that
this doesn't work quite that way.
The result of the reading is what you are allowed to have some control
over, not the reading itself :)
The book still gets to choose which page you read, however, if that page
specifies a random result you might have some control :)

If the language doesn't actually work that way, then it'll just have to
get changed :)
- --JT

[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:43:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: /That/ Room...

On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, David Scheidt wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> 
> >  I threaten to perform a vulcan neck pinch upon rufus unless he stops
> > laughing...
> > 
> >  Wild Card.
> > 
> My heads try to stop laughing, but keep giving each other funny looks and
> burst out in to continued hysterics.  
> 
> 
> rufus, who doesn't think WC has a forked tongue.
> 
 I think Wild Card has a forked tongue.  Why don't you?

 Wild Card.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:45:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: /That/ Room...

On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, JT wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> 
> >
> > I go into the Vault of the Book, and use my newly grafted facility with
> >the toungue of the ancients to read the book, attempting to be able to
> >choose which page I read.
> 
> My intent (and I believe the language of the rule) would bear out that
> this doesn't work quite that way.
> The result of the reading is what you are allowed to have some control
> over, not the reading itself :)
> The book still gets to choose which page you read, however, if that page
> specifies a random result you might have some control :)
> 
> If the language doesn't actually work that way, then it'll just have to
> get changed :)

 That's fine too - I was going to go read the book anyway; and the tongue
is harfy.  

 Wild Card.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:52:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 612 (Joe Java)

Joe Java has been selected as the Judge.

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 612 - June 9, 1998
Subject: Wildcard's forked tongue
Initiator: Rufus (Sent  June 9th, 18:39 Acka)
Judge: Joe Java (Selected June 9th, 18:50 Acka)

Statement:
Wild Card does not have a forked tonue.

Initiator's Reasoning:
Entirely lexographical.  Rule 854 reads, in part, "Current available
mutations: " and lists extra heads, pointy ears, and wings.
Then it says "Other mutations may be developed in the future, and if they
are, they should be added to this rule."  Following that, there is some
gibberish about forked tongue.

[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:52:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: irc

I will be on acka irc for an hhour or so, if anyone is interested.

rufus

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:09:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Silver Moon awards?

Are there any archives anywhere of what won players their silver moons?
Rufus and I were having a discussion on IRC and he mentioned something
which won someone a silver moon. I wanted to go find it, but neither of
us could find a pointer to silver moon awards.  Just for a point of
personal interest I'd like to go reading those things which one people
these awards.

Anyone?

- --JT

[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:34:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Re: several messages (Wild Card)

With a heavy heart (and a heavy hand), I hereby declare that Wild Card
has Gone Postal.

breadbox

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:41:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Question.

>  If Proposal 3186 passes, what will the names that Rules and Proposals
> have be?

Proposals and Rules already have names. Their titles are their names.

breadbox

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:41:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Alternative email address.

This is an alternative to my email address of [email-masked]

Wild Card.
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

------------------------------

End of ackanomic digest V3 #174
*******************************