Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #186
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ackanomic digest        Saturday, June 6 1998        Volume 03 : Number 186

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 00:46:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Forwarded message from Mr. Tambourine Man

Here is a message I received today on the behalf of Mr. Tambourine Man:

Forwarded message:
> From alfvaen  Fri Jun  5 22:38:25 1998
> Reply-To: "Ashish Chaudhry" <[email-masked]>
> From:	"Ashish Chaudhry" <[email-masked]>
> To:	<[email-masked]>
> Subject: Message from Tom Walmsley
> Date:	Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:15:40 +0100
> Message-ID: <01bd909d$2ee3fb00$133b63c3@nqezxeod>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> 	charset="iso-8859-1"
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> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3
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> X-UIDL: 393cbe2684ce932f2c1657587dbe526a

> Tom Walmsley asked me to write this message,

> " I'm having problems with my computer at the moment, I think it's the
> graphics card. The upshot of this is that I cann't read my mail at the
> moment. If I can do so then I'll go on vacation for as long as possible ( I
> don't expect to be that long but.... ) and if not then I'll just appologise
> now. I'll likely to be about a week, but I'm not sure. Please forward this
> to the main list. "

> PS please don't reply to this address.

I have no idea whether or not MTM can be put on Vacation this way, but
I figured this was the best way to try it.

If e _is_ now on Vacation, then any volunteers to fill eir Offices
(Ambassador, Clerk of the Courts, Count Tabula[although breadbox gets to
fill that one, I think], Justice, Swinger, and possible Inventor)would
be welcomed.  CotC is the only vital one, IMHO.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stephen Fearing:Industrial Lullaby
Current Book--Mary Stewart:The Moon-Spinners
"Hey, I'm depraved on account'a I'm deprived!"

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 00:48:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: acka: Really Evil Ballot Stuffer

> I pay the 20 A$ and play my Scientist for a Day card, including the following
> @@@ delimited text, named "Really Evil Ballot Stuffer".

As a loyal member of the Church of the Good Ballot Stuffer, I object to
this Discovery.  

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stephen Fearing:Industrial Lullaby
Current Book--Mary Stewart:The Moon-Spinners
All's well that ends.

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 00:52:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Ackanomicon Determination

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Dice rolls requested by: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Rolls also sent to:
    [email-masked]

# Player: Rex Mundi
# Ackanomicon determination
# based on the following (using a 50 sided die):
# 1 -15: arcane trivia
# 16-20: vile prophecies
# 21-25: inner workings
# 26-30: arcane lore
# 31-33: terrorizing pages
# 34-34: ancient artifact
# 35-36: mutation
# 37-38: dark domain
# 39-39: stock market crash
# 40-41: long lost treasure
# 42-43: doomsday
# 44-44: forbidden fruit
# 45-45: catastrophe
# 46-49: not so forbidden fruit
# 50-50: ancient one
# Alfvaen

No. of sides on every die:     50
No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:    1
No. of rolls per line:          1

     36

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Original message follows:
> From [email-masked]  Fri Jun  5 21:53:06 1998
> Received: (from smtp@localhost) by xkey.com
>       id VAA13481 for <[email-masked]>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:53:06 -0700
> Received: from edtntnt1-port-240.agt.net(209.115.136.240) by xkey.com via smtp (V1.3)
>       id sma013479; Fri Jun  5 21:53:01 1998
> Received: (from alfvaen@localhost) by concordia.telusplanet.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id WAA00523 for [email-masked]; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:52:53 -0600
> Message-Id: <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka: Book
> To: [email-masked]
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:52:52 -0600 (MDT)
> Reply-To: [email-masked]
> From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
> Content-Type: text
> 
> 
> 
> #P [email-masked]
> #S 50
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> #T Acka: Ackanomicon Determination
> 
> #C Player: Rex Mundi
> #C Ackanomicon determination
> #C based on the following (using a 50 sided die):
> #C 1 -15: arcane trivia
> #C 16-20: vile prophecies
> #C 21-25: inner workings
> #C 26-30: arcane lore
> #C 31-33: terrorizing pages
> #C 34-34: ancient artifact
> #C 35-36: mutation
> #C 37-38: dark domain
> #C 39-39: stock market crash
> #C 40-41: long lost treasure
> #C 42-43: doomsday
> #C 44-44: forbidden fruit
> #C 45-45: catastrophe
> #C 46-49: not so forbidden fruit
> #C 50-50: ancient one
> #C Alfvaen
> 

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 00:53:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Phoebe

K 2 has failed to post Phoebe's wisdom.  She has been found by two-star.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stephen Fearing:Industrial Lullaby
Current Book--Mary Stewart:The Moon-Spinners
A plastic surgeon with a drinking problem raises quite a few eyebrows.

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 00:59:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Un-non-voting I be.

>  I change my status from non-voting to voting, and hit myself on the head
> with rufus' D'oh! for not having gone on vacation instead.  I then notify
> MTM that I am self-nominating for Dee-Jay.

This may have to wait until you actually get Active status rather than
Pending, although ICOCBW.  Also, MTM is incommunicado...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stephen Fearing:Industrial Lullaby
Current Book--Mary Stewart:The Moon-Spinners
On a hot summer night, would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 01:02:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Un-non-voting I be.

On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> >  I change my status from non-voting to voting, and hit myself on the head
> > with rufus' D'oh! for not having gone on vacation instead.  I then notify
> > MTM that I am self-nominating for Dee-Jay.
> 
> This may have to wait until you actually get Active status rather than
> Pending, although ICOCBW.  Also, MTM is incommunicado...

 The non-voting rule says that pending is counted as voting, so I'm not
sure.

 Well, in that case /someone/ must be running the Dee-Jay nominations...
:-)

 Wild Card.

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 01:11:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Un-non-voting I be.

> > >  I change my status from non-voting to voting, and hit myself on the head
> > > with rufus' D'oh! for not having gone on vacation instead.  I then notify
> > > MTM that I am self-nominating for Dee-Jay.

> > This may have to wait until you actually get Active status rather than
> > Pending, although ICOCBW.  Also, MTM is incommunicado...

>  The non-voting rule says that pending is counted as voting, so I'm not
> sure.

You're right; it doesn't say anything about Active, only about Non-Voting.
So you are eligible.

>  Well, in that case /someone/ must be running the Dee-Jay nominations...
> :-)

breadbox, I imagine.  Though e has the disadvantage of not knowing who has
nominated themselves yet...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stephen Fearing:Industrial Lullaby
Current Book--Mary Stewart:The Moon-Spinners
My cat is fat, so now I'll dine and eat all up this cat of mine...

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 04:03:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Forwarded message from Mr. Tambourine Man

On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>I have no idea whether or not MTM can be put on Vacation this way, but
>I figured this was the best way to try it.
>
>If e _is_ now on Vacation, then any volunteers to fill eir Offices
>(Ambassador, Clerk of the Courts, Count Tabula[although breadbox gets to
>fill that one, I think], Justice, Swinger, and possible Inventor)would
>be welcomed.  CotC is the only vital one, IMHO.

If MTM is on vacation, then the Eleusis Game hereby is paused.
Since I am at this point (due to a discussion with Hubert privately) privy
to the secret rule for that game, I cannot as I did in the past step in to
play cards.  Also given how close it is to the end of the round I would
rather just wait for MTM to return rather than bring someone in.

I will also volunteer to fill the position of CotC if noone else has
volunteered.

- --JT

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[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 04:25:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Un-non-voting I be.

>  I change my status from non-voting to voting, and hit myself on the head
> with rufus' D'oh! for not having gone on vacation instead.  I then notify
> MTM that I am self-nominating for Dee-Jay.

Non-voting players are not eligible to hold offices (unless there's a
exception buried somewhere in 950 I'm not seeing).

breadbox

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 04:26:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Forwarded message from Mr. Tambourine Man

> I have no idea whether or not MTM can be put on Vacation this way, but
> I figured this was the best way to try it.

Damn. This has come up exactly once before, I believe. I'll have to
slog through the archives and see what was decided then and why.

breadbox

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 04:28:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Un-non-voting I be.

>  I change my status from NON-VOTING to VOTING

Sigh. Ignore my prior email on the subject. I am a headpin.

b

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 04:30:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: Really Evil Ballot Stuffer

>> I pay the 20 A$ and play my Scientist for a Day card, including the
>> following @@@ delimited text, named "Really Evil Ballot Stuffer".
> 
> As a loyal member of the Church of the Good Ballot Stuffer, I object to
> this Discovery.  

I also object to this Discovery, for whatever that's worth.

breadbox

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 05:01:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Forwarded message from Mr. Tambourine Man

>> I have no idea whether or not MTM can be put on Vacation this way, but
>> I figured this was the best way to try it.
> 
> Damn. This has come up exactly once before, I believe. I'll have to
> slog through the archives and see what was decided then and why.

No, actually, I remember now that the subject came up, but it remained
hypothetical - mr cwm was able to regain access to his email and put
himself on vacation directly by the time he deemed it necessary.

Instead I can offer CFJ 413 as a skeletal source of precedent,
initiated by Guy Fawkes and judged by /dev/joe. (Guy Fawkes is
probably more responsible for game custom as an initiator of CFJs than
as a Justice.)

One could argue that the human being involved here (such as Alfvaen)
can be thought of as just another kind of mail-relay, given that MTM
is acting in extremis (though why he didn't just have that mail sent
to the mailing list is beyond me). We all rely on unseen and
unregulated machines to actually get the bits that constitute our
emails to the mail server. (With myself as a possible trivial
exception, my mail being composed on the same machine as the mail
server.)

On the other hand, one can also argue that it was a private mail, sent
only to the Registrar, and thus it was flatly not a public request to
be on vacation, thus it failed.

Feedback, anyone? (Sorry I'm not supplying anything more, but my
brother is getting married in about 10 hours and my time is not my own
right now.)

breadbox

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:57:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: actions

In order to make room for the end of the upcoming auction I do the
following.

I offer 2 of my Otzma Cards (truthseeker and skeleton key) to the Order of
the Razor Boomerangs to hold for me.

867-5309, if you could do the honors of having the order accept?

- --JT

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[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 14:06:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Forwarded message from Mr. Tambourine Man

On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:
>One could argue that the human being involved here (such as Alfvaen)
>can be thought of as just another kind of mail-relay, given that MTM
>is acting in extremis (though why he didn't just have that mail sent
>to the mailing list is beyond me). We all rely on unseen and
>unregulated machines to actually get the bits that constitute our
>emails to the mail server. (With myself as a possible trivial
>exception, my mail being composed on the same machine as the mail
>server.)

Since he specifically asked alfvaen to act as a mail-relay in this case,
I'd be inclined to be persuaded by this argument. (though as you point
out, one wonders why he didn't send that mail to the ackanomic@ list
directly, instead of to alfvaen)

>On the other hand, one can also argue that it was a private mail, sent
>only to the Registrar, and thus it was flatly not a public request to
>be on vacation, thus it failed.
>
>Feedback, anyone? (Sorry I'm not supplying anything more, but my
>brother is getting married in about 10 hours and my time is not my own
>right now.)

I'd personally rather not penalize someone for something out of their
control and not related to the game especially since MTM took at least
some action to let us know what was going on.

- --JT

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[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 16:55:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka: Really Evil Ballot Stuffer

On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:

> I apply for membership in the Church of the Good Ballot Stuffer.  I
> don't bring any actual Ballot Stuffers with me, but I will bring
> doughnuts to the services.

Since Mr. Tambourine Man seems to be incommunicado indefinitely, I suggest
that the Church of the Good Ballot Stuffer accept Fortunato as a member.

If e isn't yet (you can see how much attention I pay to these things) I
also suggest that the Church of the Good Ballot Stuffer accept Attila the
Pun as a member.

Oh, and I object to the Really Evil Ballot Stuffer blueprint too.  Not
that it does much good.

- - 867-5309

Why is 'abbreviation' such a long word? 

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 16:56:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: actions

On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, JT wrote:

> I offer 2 of my Otzma Cards (truthseeker and skeleton key) to the Order of
> the Razor Boomerangs to hold for me.

I suggest that the Order or the Razor Boomerang accept the 2 above
mentioned Otzma Cards from JT.  This happens.  I then suggest the Order of
the Razor Boomerang cackle and rub its hands together gleefully.  This
also happens.

Oh, and I suggest the Order of the Razor Boomerang thwap me over the head
with rufus' D'oh! for forgetting my namesake.  Of course, this happens.

- - 867-5309 (Angie)

Why is 'abbreviation' such a long word? 

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 18:09:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Acting COTC

If it is the case that Mr. Tambourine Man is on Vacation, then I appoint
JT Acting Clerk of the Courts.  Someone submit a thread-dependent CFJ
about whether or not MTM is on Vacation to em.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page:http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/)
Current Book--Robert J. Sawyer:Frameshift
Current Album--Dar Williams:End of The Summer
There's too many clues in this room.

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 18:10:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka:

I return from vacation.

saaremaa

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 18:13:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Forwarded message from Mr. Tambourine Man

>On the other hand, one can also argue that it was a private mail, sent
>only to the Registrar, and thus it was flatly not a public request to
>be on vacation, thus it failed.
>
>Feedback, anyone? (Sorry I'm not supplying anything more, but my
>brother is getting married in about 10 hours and my time is not my own
>right now.)
	I'd say that since he specified that it be sent to the main list, I
think your first argument is correct.  He still sent it to the main list,
the fact that it went to another person first is irrelevant.

- --
- -Henry Towsner

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 23:29:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Twits

As a bonified Twit, I recomend (and suggest) that the following players
who have professed to be twits be admitted to the club:
Rex Mundi
rufus
else...if

K 2

Gavin M. Doig wrote:

> >I now found an organisation called "The Twits". It's members are myself,
> >Alfvaen, K 2, and that bloke with the funny number name that used to be
> >called Hubert. I believe I also have to pay A$25 whilst I'm at it in which
> >case I do so.
> >
> >MTM.
> >
> I give 1 A$ to MTM, and ask to be admitted to The Twits. I think my record
> speaks for itself.
>
> Rex Mundi.

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 23:29:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe

Oh Phoebe, How could you leave me so...

K 2

Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> K 2 has failed to post Phoebe's wisdom.  She has been found by two-star.
>
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Current Album--Stephen Fearing:Industrial Lullaby
> Current Book--Mary Stewart:The Moon-Spinners
> A plastic surgeon with a drinking problem raises quite a few eyebrows.

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Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 23:29:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: Really Evil Ballot Stuffer

I too object...

K 2
and then there was three....

Brian Raiter wrote:

> >> I pay the 20 A$ and play my Scientist for a Day card, including the
> >> following @@@ delimited text, named "Really Evil Ballot Stuffer".
> >
> > As a loyal member of the Church of the Good Ballot Stuffer, I object to
> > this Discovery.
>
> I also object to this Discovery, for whatever that's worth.
>
> breadbox

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