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ackanomic digest         Friday, June 5 1998         Volume 03 : Number 185

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 05:52:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Alfvaen for Swinger and WC98 (Cleanup 1)

Hi,
I have to cut down my net activities, and Acka is the biggest.
So I'm planning to go on an extended vacation, but first I'm
getting some things in order.

I suggest that Alfvaen becomes the Swinger for MetaMorph
and approve of this suggestion.
I offer all my Benefyts and Swingpoints to Alfvaen.

I create a Trinket named "World Cup 98 Gold Medal" with
the description "This was awarded for coming first in
the World Cup 98 Acka Betting Competition", with the
value of A$99.

I create a Trinket named "World Cup 98 Gold-Coated Silver
Medal" with the description "This was awarded for coming
second in the World Cup 98 Acka Betting Competition",
with the value of A$66.

I create a Trinket named "World Cup 98 Silver Medal" with
the description "This was awarded for coming third in
the World Cup 98 Acka Betting Competition", with the
value of A$44.

I create a Trinket named "World Cup 98 Bronze Medal" with
the description "This was awarded for coming fourth in
the World Cup 98 Acka Betting Competition", with the
value of A$30.

I offer all these Trinkets and A$198 to Alfvaen.

I ask Alfvaen to use them for creation a small replica
of the Soccer World Cup and get it through as Majik
so it can't be destroyed as easily), and watch over
the WC98 Acka Betting Competition.

The rules are fairly easy. Each better names four teams
which e believes to be the top four of the Soccer World
Cup, and one of them which e believes to win the World
Cup. This should happen in the next days, before the
World Cup starts. If Alfvaen wants, e may also allow
bets or revised bets until every team has played one
game, but I think that should be the closing time.

When the World Cup is finished, the individual bets
are compared with the results. For this, the teams
are put into 3 classes:
A includes the 4 group heads which have won the World
Cup before: Brasil, Germany, Italy, Argentina.
B includes the 4 group heads which didn't: France,
Netherlands, Spain, Romania.
C includes all 24 other teams (including USA, England
and Scotland)

If a class A team comes among the top 4, all betters
who guesses that correctly gain 10 points, if a class
A team wins the World Cup, all betters who guessed
gain 18 more points.
For class B teams these numbers are multiplied with
1.5, for class C teams multiplied with 2.5 (to avoid
that everyone bets on the four class A teams).

The better with the most points should get the
replica of the World Cup (Majik) and the gold medal
(Trinket), the next their respective medals.

If betters are tied for points, they may decide who
is better by any duel, but I'd like them to play a
simplified United (soccer PBeM): For this game,
the players give out skill points on goalkeeper,
sweeper, defense, midfield and forwards (this looks
like G-S-D-M-F), with following conditions:
- - G,S,D,M and F are non-negative integers
- - the sum of 2G+2S+D+M+F may not be greater than 98
- - neither G nor S may be greater than 10
- - none of D,M and F may be greater than 3 times of
  another of D,M and F

(so 0-0-58-20-20 or 5-5-12-33-33 are allowed teams)

Who wins a game between two teams A and B is determined
as follows: First, the number of chances of getting
near the other's goal are calculated.
These are: Own forward minus other's defense and sweeper
(set to 0 if negative), plus half of (own midfield minus
other's midfield)(set to 0 if negative), plus a quarter
of (own defense minus other's forwards)(set to 0 if
negative).
If a chance becomes a goal is decided by taking sweepers
and goalkeepers into account. That a sweeper blocks a
chance has a chance of S/15, otherwise it becomes a shot
on the goal. That the goalkeeper holds a shot on the
goal has a chance of G/14.
(Yes, the sweeper has a double role in aiding the defense
and blocking chances)
If the game ends in a tie, it goes into overtime. Chances
are divided by 3 for determining goals shot during overtime.
If the overtime ends in a tie, the game is decided by
penalty shots. At first each team gets 5, if the score is
still tied, each team gets another one until the game is
decided. That a goalkeeper holds a penalty has a chance of
G/20. If both teams have a G of 0, it is set to 10 for the
penalty shooting (with G of 0, all shots of both teams get
in, making the game permanently tied).

An example game between the teams above:
A (0-0-58-20-20) vs B (5-5-12-33-33)
A's attack gets 3 chances (20-(12+5)), A's defense 6.25
more ((58-33)/4), that means 6 chances and a 25%
probability of another. A's midfield gets no chances,
since 20<33.
B's attack and defense get no chances, while B's midfield
gets 6.5 ((33-20)/2).
Since A has G and S at 0, all of B's chances become goals.
A's chances have a probability of ((15-5)/15)*((14-5)/14)
to get through, or (10/15)*(9/14)=90/210=3/7.
If A is not especially lucky in the random decision, B
is likely to win 6:4 or similar.

There are of course teams that could beat both A and B.

I guess people would rather choose other duels, but I
think it would be nice, since it's also rather easy once
understood.

JMB

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 06:20:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Cleanup 2

I'm not yet on vacation... I plan to go when
Alfvaen takes the Swinger office back.

That World Cup thingy was a little longer than I
thought, but I hope Alfvaen will do it, or give it
to someone else who will do it. But I won't like
if it isn't done at all.

I think I'm still in Viruses game 3, I hereby leave it
unless I'm allowed to play while on vacation, which
I don't believe.

I don't think I can retract my bids on the various
Otzma Cards, so I'd like to know who's in front
for them.

I think that's all, but if I forgot something, please
tell me. Am I automatically removed from all lists
while on vacation, or should I do that myself?

JMB
still not on vacation

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 06:50:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Duncan C. \"Slakko\" Richer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Cleanup 2

On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Frank Schmidt wrote:

> I'm not yet on vacation... I plan to go when
> Alfvaen takes the Swinger office back.

You needn't actually leave the Swinger office - just get Alfvaen to
be Acting Swinger while you're gone.

> 
> That World Cup thingy was a little longer than I
> thought, but I hope Alfvaen will do it, or give it
> to someone else who will do it. But I won't like
> if it isn't done at all.
> 
> I think I'm still in Viruses game 3, I hereby leave it
> unless I'm allowed to play while on vacation, which
> I don't believe.

You could ask for replacements - it is early days in the game.

> 
> I don't think I can retract my bids on the various
> Otzma Cards, so I'd like to know who's in front
> for them.

If you win them, you win them.  I have the details at home, but
don't worry - I'll outbid you if you want. :-)

> 
> I think that's all, but if I forgot something, please
> tell me. Am I automatically removed from all lists
> while on vacation, or should I do that myself?

You should do that yourself - some people like to stay informed 
while on vacation.  I personally just shift over to the digests when
on vacation (for acka and acka-voting) so I don't miss out on what's
happening, while not killing my mailbox.

Oh, one other thing mailing-list wise for people.

Given what happened with muppetlabs, should we build some kind of
redundancy into our system?  Agora has a backup list which they can switch
to if the main list is for some reason out of action.  It is very rarely
used, but I'm sure it's nice to know it is there.

Anyway, I've heard about www.findmail.com and their bit www.makelist.com
which hosts mailing lists for free (they do, however, append a brand name
to the bottom of all messages).  If muppetlabs was to suffer downtime
again for significant periods in the future, having a single backup list
would be a good idea.

Any comments breadbox?

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 07:07:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Cleanup 2

Duncan C. "Slakko" Richer schrieb:

> On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Frank Schmidt wrote:
> > I'm not yet on vacation... I plan to go when
> > Alfvaen takes the Swinger office back.
> You needn't actually leave the Swinger office - just get Alfvaen to
> be Acting Swinger while you're gone.

I think it's going to take a little longer, and Alfvaenalso gets my SP and
Benefyts, so why not make it
a real change in office.

> > I think I'm still in Viruses game 3, I hereby leave it
> > unless I'm allowed to play while on vacation, which
> > I don't believe.
> You could ask for replacements - it is early days in the game.

I missed turn 1, and had an automatic infection, meaning Iprobably only get 1
move on the next turn. A new starter
has better chances.

> > I don't think I can retract my bids on the various
> > Otzma Cards, so I'd like to know who's in front
> > for them.
> If you win them, you win them.  I have the details at home, but
> don't worry - I'll outbid you if you want. :-)

I only wanted to avoid problems with the World Cup thingies,but I think I have
enough Ackadollars to legally bid what I've
already bid for them.

> > I think that's all, but if I forgot something, please
> > tell me. Am I automatically removed from all lists
> > while on vacation, or should I do that myself?
> You should do that yourself - some people like to stay informed
> while on vacation.  I personally just shift over to the digests when
> on vacation (for acka and acka-voting) so I don't miss out on what's
> happening, while not killing my mailbox.

No, I want completely out for a while, and will probably return when
I have a second mail adress at home. (BTW does anyone have a
counter how many MB go through the Acka lists each month?)

JMB

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 09:20:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Otzma Auction

I bid A$111 on the ACME InstaGadget auction.

                               - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 09:48:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Alfvaen for Swinger and WC98 (Cleanup 1)

>I have to cut down my net activities, and Acka is the biggest.

Sounds familiar....

>So I'm planning to go on an extended vacation, but first I'm
>getting some things in order.

>I suggest that Alfvaen becomes the Swinger for MetaMorph
>and approve of this suggestion.

Are you resigning?  That might make it easier for me to become
Swinger as opposed to just Acting Swinger.  In any case, I
approve of J. M. Bear's suggestion, and I also suggest that I
become Acting Swinger, just in case.

>I offer all my Benefyts and Swingpoints to Alfvaen.

I accept this offer.

>I create a Trinket named "World Cup 98 Gold Medal" with
>the description "This was awarded for coming first in
>the World Cup 98 Acka Betting Competition", with the
>value of A$99.

>I create a Trinket named "World Cup 98 Gold-Coated Silver
>Medal" with the description "This was awarded for coming
>second in the World Cup 98 Acka Betting Competition",
>with the value of A$66.

>I create a Trinket named "World Cup 98 Silver Medal" with
>the description "This was awarded for coming third in
>the World Cup 98 Acka Betting Competition", with the
>value of A$44.

>I create a Trinket named "World Cup 98 Bronze Medal" with
>the description "This was awarded for coming fourth in
>the World Cup 98 Acka Betting Competition", with the
>value of A$30.

>I offer all these Trinkets and A$198 to Alfvaen.

I accept these as well.

>I ask Alfvaen to use them for creation a small replica
>of the Soccer World Cup and get it through as Majik
>so it can't be destroyed as easily), and watch over
>the WC98 Acka Betting Competition.

[rest deleted...]  As soon as I have some time I'll take a
look over that and see if I can figure it out.  I pay zero
attention to soccer, but I think the latest TV Guide had an
article on it...:-)  I promise not to use the money for my
own sinister purposes, at least.

Have a good Vacation from the Net...

- --
- --Alfvaen (Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/)
Current Book--Mary Stewart:The Moon-Spinners
Song In My Head--Berlin:The Metro
Tears and sobs are so passe; it's screams that will prevail.

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:12:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Alfvaen for Swinger and WC98 (Cleanup 1)

> >I suggest that Alfvaen becomes the Swinger for MetaMorph
> >and approve of this suggestion.
>
> Are you resigning?  That might make it easier for me to become
> Swinger as opposed to just Acting Swinger.  In any case, I
> approve of J. M. Bear's suggestion, and I also suggest that I
> become Acting Swinger, just in case.

OK, I resign as Swinger for MetaMorph.

> >I ask Alfvaen to use them for creation a small replica
> >of the Soccer World Cup and get it through as Majik
> >so it can't be destroyed as easily), and watch over
> >the WC98 Acka Betting Competition.
>
> [rest deleted...]  As soon as I have some time I'll take a
> look over that and see if I can figure it out.  I pay zero
> attention to soccer, but I think the latest TV Guide had an
> article on it...:-)  I promise not to use the money for my
> own sinister purposes, at least.

Looking after the betting is rather easy and doesn't dependon any
knowledge of soccer... just compare the top 4 and
the World Cup winner with the bets... winning the betting
competition is more difficult. :-)
If you don't like the tie resolution by the United variant, feel
free to drop it entirely and do other kinds of duels.

> Have a good Vacation from the Net...

I'm not on a real vacation, I'll remain in New Rishonnomic,
where things run rather slow, and Macronomic, which is
still relatively simple, and both don't produce the excessive
amount of mail I get from Acka... Acka doesn't really need
me, so I cut it down first. I hope to gain a home account
and return soon.

JMB

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:15:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: OC auction

I bid A$110 on the Acme InstaGadget

- --JT

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:20:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: OC auction

On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, JT wrote:

>I bid A$110 on the Acme InstaGadget

I really go and bid A$122 since I was undercut by Vynd with his bid of
A$111

- --JT

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[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:45:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: Museum

I go to the museum and donate Small off-duty Czechoslovakian traffic Warden 3,
before going to the library, and entering *that* room.

I then return to the Temple of Azpiazu.

Rex Mundi

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:08:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Acka: vacation

I am going on vacation, as of now, until the end of June. I may be back sooner,
but probably not.

Pandora

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 13:33:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: Really Evil Ballot Stuffer

I pay the 20 A$ and play my Scientist for a Day card, including the following
@@@ delimited text, named "Really Evil Ballot Stuffer".

@@@
The Really Evil Ballot Stuffer (REBS) is a mechanical gadget, which when
created is not broken.

The Really Evil Ballot Stuffer is orange, and has one button, the green
button. At all times the Really Evil Ballot Stuffer produces a sound, known as
the intense humming of evil. This sound is produced by the evil field which
surrounds the Really Evil Ballot Stuffer.

If the possessor of a REBS also owns an Evil Ballot Stuffer, whenever they
cast a vote in a Hearing or an Election they may announce along with that
vote that they are pressing the green button of their REBS.

If one or more REBS is so used in a Hearing or Election then when the results
are tabulated each vote cast by an Evil Ballot Stuffer will count as 2 votes.
However, if more then one REBS is so used then when the results of the Hearing
or Election are announced the humming of evil will be so intense that the evil
field of each REBS will discharge itself into the person who pressed the green
button, reducing their score by 10 points.
@@@

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:05:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka: Really Evil Ballot Stuffer

Now we need a Really Good Ballot Stuffer, and a Really, Really Evil
Ballot Stuffer, and... :)

I apply for membership in the Church of the Good Ballot Stuffer.  I
don't bring any actual Ballot Stuffers with me, but I will bring
doughnuts to the services.

Fortunato

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Gavin M. Doig [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Friday, June 05, 1998 12:34 PM
>To:	Acka
>Subject:	acka: Really Evil Ballot Stuffer
>
>I pay the 20 A$ and play my Scientist for a Day card, including the following
>@@@ delimited text, named "Really Evil Ballot Stuffer".
>
>

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 19:30:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Un-non-voting I be.

 I change my status from non-voting to voting, and hit myself on the head
with rufus' D'oh! for not having gone on vacation instead.  I then notify
MTM that I am self-nominating for Dee-Jay.

 Wild Card.

- -- 
Jonathan David Amery, Trinity Hall, Trinity Lane, CAMBRIDGE, CB2 1TJ.
http://www.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/~jda23/home.html | [email-masked]
"The last human being on the Earth sat alone in a room.  There was a knock
on the door..."                                      -Shortest SF story...

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:38:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Retraction

 I retract proposal number 3167: Well, we've ... because of flaws that
have been pointed out...

 Wild Card.

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