Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #166
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ackanomic digest         Friday, May 22 1998         Volume 03 : Number 166

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:02:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 567 (FALSE (upeld))

> Twee and Twee have judged this FALSE with a penalty of 25 points to the
> appealer.

> Clerk of the Courts
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Call For Judgement 567 - April 15, 1998
> Subject: Winning part 2
> Initiator: Alfvaen (sent April 15, 1998, 00:09)
> Judge: JT (selected April 15, 1998, 09:55)
> Judgement: FALSE
> Appealed by: Alfvaen
> Justices: /dev/joe and saaremaa
> Judgement: FALSE

I don't recall appealing this.  Who did?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Christine Lavin, Sally Fingerett, Julie Gold, Megon McDonough:"Buy Me Bring Me Take Me:Don't Mess My Hair":Life According To Four Bitchin' Babes, Volume Two
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
In the space ship, the silver space ship, the lion waves goodbye.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:21:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: The Infrequent Ackan Volume 1 Issue 23

> H*bert Makes His Mark

> The Witchfinder General business is, as always, hotting up! This week
> H*bert showed eir prowess as a Witchfinder by simultaneously having 7
> players burnt at the stake.

While this may be accurate, it is misleading.  According to my records,
there were _8_ players burnt at the stake--Joe Java, H*bert, Ayla, rufus,
else...if, J. M. Bear, Koxvolio, and JT.  (Unless H*bert's Witchhunt on
emself was invalid...)

> In a surprising move, a large number of these
> were members of the Church H*bert is a member of, the Church to the Evil
> Ballot Stuffer. One can only wonder what kind of rigid Church Dogma can
> demand such effective purification by fire.

The deplorable subjugation of a Church to a Secret Laboratory?  I found
the move not at all surprising, given my recent changes to the Secret Lab
rule...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Christine Lavin, Sally Fingerett, Julie Gold, Megon McDonough:"Buy Me Bring Me Take Me:Don't Mess My Hair":Life According To Four Bitchin' Babes, Volume Two
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
I'm Popeye the Sailor Borg.  Youse will be askimilgrated.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:22:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 567 (FALSE (upeld))

Alfvaen wrote:
> > Twee and Twee have judged this FALSE with a penalty of 25 points to the
> > appealer.
> > Clerk of the Courts
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Call For Judgement 567 - April 15, 1998
> > Subject: Winning part 2
> > Initiator: Alfvaen (sent April 15, 1998, 00:09)
> > Judge: JT (selected April 15, 1998, 09:55)
> > Judgement: FALSE
> > Appealed by: Alfvaen
> > Justices: /dev/joe and saaremaa
> > Judgement: FALSE
> 
> I don't recall appealing this.  Who did?

You did.

> Message-Id: <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 567 (FALSE)
> To: [email-masked]
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:02:03 -0400 (EDT)
> X-Sent-At-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:01:19 -0600 (MDT)
> In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]> from "Tom Walmsley" at Apr 15, 98 02:33:26 pm
> From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
> 
> > JT has judged this FALSE.
> 
> > Clerk of the Courts
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Call For Judgement 567 - April 15, 1998
> > Subject: Winning part 2
> > Initiator: Alfvaen (sent April 15, 1998, 00:09)
> > Judge: JT (selected April 15, 1998, 09:55)
> > Judgement: FALSE
> 
> > Statement:
> > Alfvaen's score is higher than the Magic Number.
> 
> > Alfvaen's Reasoning:
> > As Praetor, I was allowed to describe how Beldin's Pants, the Rule, was
> > to be amended.  I stated that as Praetor I was allowed to amend it.  I
> > then amended it to create the entity Antxina, whose powers were enumerated
> > therein.  Finally, by means of one of those powers I raised my score to the
> > Magic Number, and it has since risen due to normal score changes from
> > Proposal passages, anti-voting, etc.
> 
> > Judge's Reasoning:
> >   As Slakko pointed out when he made his win attempt earlier today, Alfvaen
> > forgot to include the Pyraic Frobnotzor in the list of ways to amend the
> > rule and thus was unable to amend it as he described.
> 
> I am appealing this verdict.  The Judge's reasoning above may fall afoul
> of Section XI. of Rule 594, which states "All Blueprints defer precedence
> to rules which are not Blueprints."  So Rule 940 takes precedence over
> the Pyraic Frobnotzer's Blueprint.
> 
> (The preceding paragraph, by the way, is my appeal reasoning, just for the
> CotC's convenience.)  No, if this didn't work, I'd rather know better how.
> (If that parses.)
> 
> 
> 
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Current Album--Rick Springfield's Greatest Hits
> Current Book--Philip Jose Farmer:The Cache
> One flash of light, but no smoking pistol.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:24:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: The Twits

> Alfvaen wrote:

> > Well, _I_ can't believe the only time I spelled
> > "Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" right in Rule 999 was in
> > the title.  I feel so stupid.

> I am now announcing my attempt to found a new organization called "The Twits"
> which I invite ThinMan, Alfvaen, IdiotBoy (or anyone else, I just thought
> these three could be interested) to join.

With respect, I must decline this invitation.  Anyone else who can type
"Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis"--_freehand_--and not make
more mistakes than I did in Proposal 999, is welcome to do so.  I was just
being an iron.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Christine Lavin, Sally Fingerett, Julie Gold, Megon McDonough:"Buy Me Bring Me Take Me:Don't Mess My Hair":Life According To Four Bitchin' Babes, Volume Two
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
With great weakness goes great irresponsibility.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:25:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: The Infrequent Ackan Volume 1 Issue 23

> As it is, the recent increase of both proposals and voting players had
> already increased the number of errors I was making. I now have a
> jury-rigged system to do most of the tabulation automatically (you may
> have noticed that the voting results lately have been issued more
> closely spaced together than they were before), so hopefully I should
> be able to keep up with the current volume and still have time to
> continue working on nomicbot.

I don't know if anyone else had noticed the closer spacing, but as someone
who's constantly checking the times in the email headers to put in the
pointlog, I certainly did.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Christine Lavin, Sally Fingerett, Julie Gold, Megon McDonough:"Buy Me Bring Me Take Me:Don't Mess My Hair":Life According To Four Bitchin' Babes, Volume Two
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
We now return you to your regularly scheduled technical difficulties.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:48:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Band Name Server

I just discovered that for the past week and a half, the file my Random
Band Name Server writes to has been read-only.  I would think this would
cause a visible error that someone would have informed me about, but if
it's just been dropping names invisibly, and anyone's been trying for
that Treasure, then you'll have to resumbit them.  (If not, then get off
your butts!  Honestly!)

I also was just informed that my site has been selected to be linked to
the Comic Relief web site.  Which I think is pretty darned cool.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Clannad:Dulaman
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
Check it out now and you'll probably get what you were just going to find.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:48:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 567 (FALSE (upeld))

> > I don't recall appealing this.  Who did?

> You did.

Okay...

...I change my mind about membership in The Twits.  That is, I think I
might be better off joining after all.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Clannad:Dulaman
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
People who live in glass houses shouldn't.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:51:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 567 (FALSE (upeld))

> > > Call For Judgement 567 - April 15, 1998
> > > Subject: Winning part 2
> > > Initiator: Alfvaen (sent April 15, 1998, 00:09)
> > > Judge: JT (selected April 15, 1998, 09:55)
> > > Judgement: FALSE
> > > Appealed by: Alfvaen
> > > Justices: /dev/joe and saaremaa
> > > Judgement: FALSE

> > I don't recall appealing this.  Who did?

> You did.

Okay, now I see.  I thought this was my more recent CWCFJ, not the old
Beldin's Pants one.  Yes, I recall that Appeal.  I just thought it had
been settled already.  (Shows I should read these things one in a while,
eh?)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Clannad:Dulaman
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
Gotta love the name "Viking Penguin," don't you?

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 01:04:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Infrequent Ackan Volume 1 Issue 23

> Grab-a-Donkey
>
>   Round 1 saw a massive 8 eliminations, although two
> of those were voluntary resignations.

I demand a retraction of this deliberately false and misleading statement

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 01:04:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: action

I sell a share of stock.
<waits an infintesimal amount of time>
I sell a share of stock.
<waits an infintesimal amount of time>
I sell a share of stock.
<waits an infintesimal amount of time>
I sell a share of stock.
<waits an infintesimal amount of time>
I sell a share of stock.
<waits an infintesimal amount of time>
I sell a share of stock.
<waits an infintesimal amount of time>

K 2

JT wrote:

> I sell my share of stock.. I was under a hallucination at the time I
> purchased it.
>
> --JT
>
> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
> [ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
> [ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
> [-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 01:04:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 570 (FALSE (upheld))

> The side-effects of this are that two scrolls of crumble /dev/joe built
> as Inventor after giving away the Wizard office (including one we could
> not decide who won in auction) were not actually built, and a Blue
> Thing that TGW built as Inventor and began to auction at A$7 and which
> I believe was never bid on was won by TGW for A$7.

Scrolls os Crumble that never were:
Rex Mundi, refunded A$ 50
JT, refunded A$ 55
/dev/joe repaid A$ 10 in royalties

RBBTTDDM,R:
Rex Mundi, A$ 20
TGW A$ 2 in royalties

Of course this won't happen until TGW announces it ;)

K 2

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 02:37:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Infrequent Ackan Volume 1 Issue 23

On Thu, 21 May 1998, Towsner wrote:

> 	I agree.  I like the idea originally, and would support it again
> once nomicbot was able to handle it.  As for "losing 75% of our economy",
> the simple solution seems to be tripling dividends.

I guess that is part of my point.  If there is a simple "solution", then
why isn't it included as part of the proposal?

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 02:41:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Infrequent Ackan Volume 1 Issue 23

On Fri, 22 May 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> > H*bert Makes His Mark
> 
> > The Witchfinder General business is, as always, hotting up! This week
> > H*bert showed eir prowess as a Witchfinder by simultaneously having 7
> > players burnt at the stake.
> 
> While this may be accurate, it is misleading.  According to my records,
> there were _8_ players burnt at the stake--Joe Java, H*bert, Ayla, rufus,
> else...if, J. M. Bear, Koxvolio, and JT.  (Unless H*bert's Witchhunt on
> emself was invalid...)

E said so in eir message.  You cannot call a witchhunt on yourself.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 02:57:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Infrequent Ackan Volume 1 Issue 23

On Thu, 21 May 1998, Randy Hall wrote:

> breadbox:
> 
> > It occurs to me that perhaps I should clarify the nature of my
> > objections to saaremaa's Fuzzy Voting idea (which I admit probably
> > would have intrigued me if I wasn't the Tabulator).
> > 
> > I was not objecting because it would have required me to rewrite the
> > part of the nomicbot that does the tabulating. I *would* have had to
> > rewrite the part that reads the nomicbot (and I might have objected on
> > those grounds otherwise). The problem was that at that time I was
> > still doing the actual tabulation by hand,
> 
> Well I thought it was all automated, and I would not have proposed
> the idea had I known it was manual (in fact, I was specifically waiting
> for an automated bot before proposing it), so for that I apologize
> to breadbox.  As for reprogramming an already functioning bot to handle
> fuzzy voting (which I thought was the case), I do not believe that 
> would have been to hard for a programmer of breadbox's caliber :-)
> 
> As for Slakko's other objections, they are total noise, IMO. 
You actually put two separable ideas into a single proposal.  Had you
suggested fuzzy voting alone, I would probably have voted YES.  (And yes,
it is of course possible to have anti-voting in a fuzzy voting system
without it becoming all that complicated).  I am pro anti-voting, so
unfortunately I had to reject your interesting idea of fuzzy votes.

> The economy of Acka is
> fun and return on our RL investment in time, not A$ created ex-nihilo
> at our whim.

I must admit I made a mistake in my argument.  Merely cutting everyone's
gain of A$ by 75% would do very little - after a while all that would
result is that prices would of course fall correspondingly.  However, the
A$ distribution fall would not affect officer salaries unless someone
decided to link them into the proposal.  So officer salaries would, in
relative terms, have quadrupled.

> If you can quantify the fun of anti-voting in Acka as
> 75% of the fun, and fuzzy voting thus making Acka only 25% of the fun
> of the current game, fine,

The fuzzy voting does not do this.  The removal of anti-voting doesn't
quarter the fun directly, either, but it significantly skews the game in
favour of those who hold salary-paying offices, by making their salaries
proportionately worth more.

I don't know how well-balanced the relationships between creation of A$
and the creation, distribution and consumption of other Acka entities such
as Gadgets, Otzma Cards and Party Chess Pieces are.  However, I would like
to think that, given the time and effort that has created the system we
currently run, the system as it stands is reasonably balanced.  If you
remove one of the large aspects of that system, which anti-voting is, and
do nothing else to modify the nature of earning A$, then the system is
obviously going to be perturbed from whatever equilibrium it had reached.
I'm just happy with the devil I know.

> but the arguments do *not* do this, and 
> the "economic" arguments thus far presented are, well, nevermind :-)
IMHO the relationship between the creation, transference and consumption
(i.e. use) of some Ackan entities constitutes an economy.  If we had no
economy, why would we still have a medium of exchange distinct from our
score?

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 03:06:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3103

On Thu, 21 May 1998, nomicbot wrote:

> Proposal 3103
> RoundOutForTheCount
> Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> 
> This is a Modest Proposal.
> 
> This is a Chess Proposal.
> 
> [The RoundCount variable is not very useful right now.  It was originally
> introduced to determine when swingpoints were awarded.  We've been on
> fortnight Swingpoint awards for months, yet the RoundCount remains.  I'm
> sick of tracking it, and would rather see it go.]

I disagree. Rounds are used to determine other things, such as when it is
legal to call an FFA, and provide a way to track the progres  of the game
not on a purely chronological basis. 

 > 
> Amend Rule 1230.2, section 4 subsection B item (i) to read as delimited by
> TURNBASED below:
> 
> TURNBASED
> (i) If a Swinger's Office is Warm, and the Swinger is not checked, then:
> (a) If the Office has no on-board pieces, or the previous move made by
> that office was not a Pass, then that Swinger's Office automatically
> Passes when its turn begins, otherwise
> (b) ThatSwinger's Office automatically Surrenders when its turn begins.
> TURNBASED
> 
> [The above section previously referred to rounds.]
> 
> Delete the following ROUNDY-delimited text from Rule 1230.2:
> 
> ROUNDY
> C. A Round of play is defined as a time period in which each Swinger
> played at least once, at least one Swinger played only once, and no
> Swinger who played more than once played after all Swingers who played
> exactly once. 
> Each time a Round of play is over, RoundCount is incremented by 1.
> Whenever anew game of Party Chess is started, and no other rule specifies
> what the RoundCount shall be, it shall be set to 0. 
> ROUNDY
> 
> Delete section 9 subsection A item (i) from Rule 1230.2, and relabel items
> (ii) and (iii) as (i) and (ii) respectively.
> 
> [Deleted text: There has not been a Free For All for at least one Round.
> This refers to restrictions on Free for Alls - section (ii) specifies a
> six-week break.  We don't need any additional restrictions to compensate
> for the loss of the round restrictions.]
> 
> Amend Rule 1230.40 by deleting section d), and relabelling sections e) and
> f) to d) and e) respectively.
> [The incrementing of the RoundCount at the end of the game is now
> unnecessary.]
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 03:10:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3103

On Fri, 22 May 1998, Uri Bruck wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 21 May 1998, nomicbot wrote:
> 
> > Proposal 3103
> > RoundOutForTheCount
> > Slakko (Duncan Richer)
> > 
> > This is a Modest Proposal.
> > 
> > This is a Chess Proposal.
> > 
> > [The RoundCount variable is not very useful right now.  It was originally
> > introduced to determine when swingpoints were awarded.  We've been on
> > fortnight Swingpoint awards for months, yet the RoundCount remains.  I'm
> > sick of tracking it, and would rather see it go.]
> 
> I disagree. Rounds are used to determine other things, such as when it is
> legal to call an FFA, and provide a way to track the progres  of the game
> not on a purely chronological basis. 

If you notice, I pointed out that, regardless of rounds, you still have to
wait six weeks to call an FFA.  If the Chess Umpire is not breaking the
speed rule, then at least seven moves will be performed in six weeks,
which will, in many circumstances, constitute a round.  Current speeds
indicate that six weeks is more likely to be 3 or more rounds, thereby
making the one round requirement redundant.

> > Delete section 9 subsection A item (i) from Rule 1230.2, and relabel items
> > (ii) and (iii) as (i) and (ii) respectively.
> > 
> > [Deleted text: There has not been a Free For All for at least one Round.
> > This refers to restrictions on Free for Alls - section (ii) specifies a
> > six-week break.  We don't need any additional restrictions to compensate
> > for the loss of the round restrictions.]

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 03:31:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Infrequent Ackan Volume 1 Issue 23

On Fri, 22 May 1998, K2 wrote:

> > Grab-a-Donkey
> >
> >   Round 1 saw a massive 8 eliminations, although two
> > of those were voluntary resignations.
> 
> I demand a retraction of this deliberately false and misleading statement

Retracted.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 05:46:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Infrequent Ackan Volume 1 Issue 23

On Fri, 22 May 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Thu, 21 May 1998, Towsner wrote:
> 
> > 	I agree.  I like the idea originally, and would support it again
> > once nomicbot was able to handle it.  As for "losing 75% of our economy",
> > the simple solution seems to be tripling dividends.
> 
> I guess that is part of my point.  If there is a simple "solution", then
> why isn't it included as part of the proposal?
> 

Cos every line you add to a Proposal generates IllWill with someone
somewhere.  

One concept per proposal, that's the life for me-
IB

> -- 
> Duncan C. "" Richer aka
> Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
> Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
> Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:02:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Infrequent Ackan Volume 1 Issue 23

On Fri, 22 May 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Fri, 22 May 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
> 
> > While this may be accurate, it is misleading.  According to my records,
> > there were _8_ players burnt at the stake--Joe Java, H*bert, Ayla, rufus,
> > else...if, J. M. Bear, Koxvolio, and JT.  (Unless H*bert's Witchhunt on
> > emself was invalid...)
> 
> E said so in eir message.  You cannot call a witchhunt on yourself.
> 
  But you can call a being a heratic for saying that BLACK ISN'T A COLOR
hearing on yourself....

 H*bert.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:56:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: SBoC Random OC determination

- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Dice rolls requested by: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Rolls also sent to:
    [email-masked]

# Player: JT
# I am using the dice server to determine the random otzma card
# delivered from the spell book of chorg based on the following
# schedule:
# 1 - go fish
# 2 - map shard
# 3 - summon tornado
# 4 - share my expenses
# 5 - share your income
# 6 - tactical retreat
# 7 - paratroop
# 8 - truthseeker
# 9 - scientist for a day
# 10 - art thief
# 11 - grave robber
# 12 - lay off!
# 13 - rod & staff
# 14 - shield
# 15 - founder's boon
# No skeleton key(max in play)
# No fix my gadget(max in play)
# No swinging sale(max in play)
# No foul fowl(max in play)
# This is page three, correct?

No. of sides on every die:     16
No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:    1
No. of rolls per line:          1

      4

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> Subject: Acka: Chorg
> To: [email-masked]
> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:55:13 -0600 (MDT)
> Reply-To: [email-masked]
> From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
> Content-Type: text
> 
> 
> #P [email-masked]
> #S 16
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> #T Acka: SBoC Random OC determination
> 
> #C Player: JT
> #C I am using the dice server to determine the random otzma card
> #C delivered from the spell book of chorg based on the following
> #C schedule:
> #C 1 - go fish
> #C 2 - map shard
> #C 3 - summon tornado
> #C 4 - share my expenses
> #C 5 - share your income
> #C 6 - tactical retreat
> #C 7 - paratroop
> #C 8 - truthseeker
> #C 9 - scientist for a day
> #C 10 - art thief
> #C 11 - grave robber
> #C 12 - lay off!
> #C 13 - rod & staff
> #C 14 - shield
> #C 15 - founder's boon
> #C No skeleton key(max in play)
> #C No fix my gadget(max in play)
> #C No swinging sale(max in play)
> #C No foul fowl(max in play)
> 
> #C This is page three, correct?
> 

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:23:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: NAP Swinger election?

> Swinger       Type               Wt.  On-Board          Off-Board
> /dev/joe   Party - Vulcan[V]      0   P            KBDMOPPPQRR%%%
> Attila     Non-Aligned [*]        0                KCEOOPPP
> Koxvolio   Party - HARF [H]       1   K            ABPPPRRR%
> [...]
> Next Turn: Due 3 days after this message
> Current Player: /dev/joe

I've just looked into rule 1040 about the NAP Swinger - it turned
out that Atilla lost the office when e surrendered. A game of Party
Chess being won is also on the list of conditions, but since that
happened before any new NAP Swinger took office...
Let's vote on a new NAP Swinger.
JMB

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:37:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: NAP Swinger election?

On Fri, 22 May 1998, Frank Schmidt wrote:

> > Swinger       Type               Wt.  On-Board          Off-Board
> > /dev/joe   Party - Vulcan[V]      0   P            KBDMOPPPQRR%%%
> > Attila     Non-Aligned [*]        0                KCEOOPPP
> > Koxvolio   Party - HARF [H]       1   K            ABPPPRRR%
> > [...]
> > Next Turn: Due 3 days after this message
> > Current Player: /dev/joe
> 
> I've just looked into rule 1040 about the NAP Swinger - it turned
> out that Atilla lost the office when e surrendered. A game of Party
> Chess being won is also on the list of conditions, but since that
> happened before any new NAP Swinger took office...
> Let's vote on a new NAP Swinger.
> JMB

Oopsie.  You're right about the surrendering.
This means that Attila lost the Office on 9th of May.  Seeing as no-one
has filled it since, it is now Warm, and hence it automatically passes (as
it has no pieces on board).

TGW, please call an election for this office.  Technically it is Guy
Fawkes who has been removed, but that still means the office is not being
held by anyone. (Attila is acting in the office, but still cannot move as
the seat itself is Warm, and so automatically skips its turn).

Yours,
Slakko

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:46:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Ambassadorness

I recently received a message from one Mr. Phil Ackley, the GRAPE of Pumpkin
Patch Nomic requesting membership for said nomic in the organisation
Metamorph. The relevant portion of the message is quoted below:

"I, as GRAPE and official representative of the Pumpkin Patch Nomic, do
hereby request admission for said body into the ranks of the Metamorph
party. "

TGW, Acting Ambassador.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:46:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Infrequent Ackan Volume 1 Issue 23

> > 	I agree.  I like the idea originally, and would support it again
> > once nomicbot was able to handle it.  As for "losing 75% of our economy",
> > the simple solution seems to be tripling dividends.
> 
> I guess that is part of my point.  If there is a simple "solution", then
> why isn't it included as part of the proposal?

I don't think that it is that simple. If it hadn't been for the problems with
nomicbot then I would have voted for the fuzzy voting proposal but if this
was added on then I don't think I would have voted for it. The problem with
this is that it would severely skew things in favour of "the Ackanomic Elite"
(of which I believe I could now be classed as one). Players like myself,
Slakko and Alfvaen would have much more money than anyone else due to having
a heavy presence in the proposal queue and several salaries, and would be
able to clean up in auctions. I would prefer it if everyone was given a base
amount every [time period]. Some people I'm sure though would not like this
so the best way is to deal with it in a separate proposal.

TGW.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:46:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Important actions

> Since all Priests of the Church are now Enlightened, I suggest that the
> Order of the Razor Boomerang begin construction of a The Really Big Blue
> Thing That Doesn't Do Too Much, Really, because I can't think of anything
> else.  This does not happen automatically, but pends the other players'
> approval.

I thought you had to specify whose possession it was created in now?

TGW.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:47:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 570 (FALSE (upheld))

> RBBTTDDM,R:
> Rex Mundi, A$ 20
> TGW A$ 2 in royalties
> 
> Of course this won't happen until TGW announces it ;)

I hereby announce this. :-)

I also start building a whamiol. It will be completed in 3 days.

TGW, inventor, or so they tell me. :-)

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:46:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: NAP Swinger election?

> TGW, please call an election for this office.  Technically it is Guy
> Fawkes who has been removed, but that still means the office is not being
> held by anyone. (Attila is acting in the office, but still cannot move as
> the seat itself is Warm, and so automatically skips its turn).

I am calling for a nomination for the office of NAP Swinger. Reply to
nominate yourself. I presume that you have to not be a member of a political
party to do so.

TGW, Count Tabula.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:12:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Raquel Peres da Silva" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Important actions

> Since all Priests of the Church are now Enlightened, I suggest that the
> Order of the Razor Boomerang begin construction of a The Really Big Blue
> Thing That Doesn't Do Too Much, Really, because I can't think of anything
> else.  This does not happen automatically, but pends the other players'
> approval.

I approve it.

Ayla
Priestess of the Order of the Razor Boomerangs
Priestess of the Church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer

Law of Cat Thermodynamics: Heat flows from a warmer to a cooler body,
except in the case of a cat, when all heat flows to the cat.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:12:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Raquel Peres da Silva" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Important actions

> I now read the next page (page 3 of the book).
> The page disappears in a puff of smoke vert.
> Now, I reoffer the book to Ayla.

I accept the spell book, provided that I can read it in the Ackanomic
Afterlife, where I think I am right now. I read page 4 of it, and then it
(page 4, not the book) suddenly burns by spontaneous combustion, also
burning my fingers.
Fortunately, the Afterlife palace heals my fingers, and I give the book
to... <<wondering what happened to Hubert's instructions>> <<think, think,
think>> <<sound of rusty gear working>>... whoever Hubert selects. I then
leave the Ackanomic Afterlife and go to my house to have a snack: being
burnt really whet one's appetite. I also rename my house to: "Ayla's home,
sweet home".

Yours,

Ayla
Priestess of the Order of the Razor Boomerangs
Priestess of the Church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer

Law of Cat Thermodynamics: Heat flows from a warmer to a cooler body,
except in the case of a cat, when all heat flows to the cat.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:30:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Important actions

On Fri, 22 May 1998, Raquel Peres da Silva wrote:

>> I now read the next page (page 3 of the book).
>> The page disappears in a puff of smoke vert.
>> Now, I reoffer the book to Ayla.
>
>I accept the spell book, provided that I can read it in the Ackanomic
>Afterlife, where I think I am right now. I read page 4 of it, and then it
>(page 4, not the book) suddenly burns by spontaneous combustion, also
>burning my fingers.

Unfortunately, you need to wait a week before reading the book Ayla.

This is the same error i made (twice ;))

I also return to my home if I'm not currently there.

[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[ Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.                  ]
[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
[-------------------------------------------------------------------------]

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:53:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Actions

In direct contravention to what I _should_ be doing (working), I have
decided to once again become a voting member of Ackanomic.  Also, in
direct contravention to common sense, I am doing so before reading any
of the new rules :)

Fortunato (off to re-read the ruleset)

- ------------------
Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
- ------------------

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:02:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Ambassadorness

I suggest that the Metamorph party accept Pumpkin Patch Nomic as a Member.

K 2

Tom Walmsley wrote:

> I recently received a message from one Mr. Phil Ackley, the GRAPE of Pumpkin
> Patch Nomic requesting membership for said nomic in the organisation
> Metamorph. The relevant portion of the message is quoted below:
>
> "I, as GRAPE and official representative of the Pumpkin Patch Nomic, do
> hereby request admission for said body into the ranks of the Metamorph
> party. "
>
> TGW, Acting Ambassador.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:09:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Actions

On Fri, 22 May 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:

> In direct contravention to what I _should_ be doing (working), I have
> decided to once again become a voting member of Ackanomic.  Also, in
> direct contravention to common sense, I am doing so before reading any
> of the new rules :)
> 
> Fortunato (off to re-read the ruleset)

Glad to have you back, Fortunato.  Watch out for snakes!

                             - Vynd

[email-masked]

> 
> ------------------
> Aaron Keesler
> Lotus Notes Administrator
> Intranet Administrator
> Adtran, Inc.
> ------------------
> 

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:22:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Actions

Thanks, I'll try to not make as many glaring, obvious mistakes this
time... or maybe I'll just ask to join the Twits :)

Also, so I don't spam the mailing list... breadbox, the nomicbot pages
are incredibly wonderful.  Though I'm saying that conditionally right
now since I just voted on 40 proposals only to get the message that I'm
not a voting player... <sigh>.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	John Frederic Mc Coy [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Friday, May 22, 1998 2:09 PM
>To:	[email-masked]'
>Subject:	Re: Acka: Actions
>
>
>Glad to have you back, Fortunato.  Watch out for snakes!
>
>                             - Vynd
>
>[email-masked]
>
>> 
>> ------------------
>> Aaron Keesler
>> Lotus Notes Administrator
>> Intranet Administrator
>> Adtran, Inc.
>> ------------------
>> 
>

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:02:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 3116

JT wrote: 
 
> I'd be willing to playtest it if we could get enough people together for a
> quick game, sure. (maybe sometime this weekend?)  The problem with this
> declared playtest is how does someone try for 0 when everyone knows that
> they are.  Perhaps there could be one 'disinterested' party who would pick
> one player at the beginning (privately) and tell them to try for 0, so
> that only the observer and the player knew?
> 
> I think it would be easier than you think, but am willing to be proven
> wrong.  I'd still prefer if this were retracted until we could try this
> playtest out.

Very well. I retract proposal 3116. Who's up for a playtest of this idea? And
when should it be? I can be free pretty much anytime in the next week between
about 9:00pm and 11:00pm next week, so long as I have sufficient warning. I
would propose Sunday if we can get enough people together.

TGW.

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