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ackanomic digest        Wednesday, May 20 1998        Volume 03 : Number 163

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:28:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 580 (FALSE (overturned))

> No problem. What do you think of this format?
> 
> Appealed by: saaremaa
> Cortex: The Entity Formerly known as the supreme Court
> Justices: /dev/joe and ThinMan
> Judgement: FALSE

I think we can eliminate the Cortex line.  But you should keep the
"Justices:" line, and make sure you can reconstruct it for appealed 
CFJs from the time I was CotC 'till now, because we need to know
which justice in order to track Bronze Torch points (even though
most justices have a BT, it may be nice to know the BT points anyway).

When I was CotC, I tracked it in my Bronze Torch page but not in the header.
That was accurate when I left the game, and used the "SC" indicator. 
You should be able to take that and go back and add the "Justices:" 
line to the entire archive, if you are bored :-)  I have no idea if
information has been lost since I was CotC.

saaremaa

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:36:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fw: INP 374-377

More INPs. Same applies as last time. Alternatively you may combine all your
INP votes into one message.

TGW, acting Ambassador.

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> INP 374 
> submited by Agora
> 
> Proposals by InterNomic
> 
>      If a member nomic delivers a proposal to the moderator that is 
>      clearly labeled, "a Proposal to be made by InterNomic," then that 
>      proposal shall be deemed by the rules of InterNomic to have been
>      submitted by InterNomic, not by the nomic that delivered the text 
>      to the moderator.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> INP 375
> submitted by Agora
> 
> Amend Rule 306 by replacing the word "two" with "four".
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> INP 376
> submitted by Agora
>  
> Amend Rule 309 by appending the sentence:
> 
> At the end of the voting period for a proposal all nomics that have
> cast a vote on this proposal gain one point
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> INP 377
> submitted by Agora
> 
> Amend Rule 311 by replacing the first sentence with 
> 
> A rule change takes effect when the moderator (correctly) reports the
> adoption of the proposal containing the rule change in a message to
> the Internomic mailing list.
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> 
> 
> The proposer made the following comments about the above proposals
> 
> p365-6 [The following proposals are meant to increase the pace at which IN
> is played, and add incentives for nomics to do things.]
> 
> p367 [The following proposal is to avoid confusion about the current state
> of the rules.]
> 

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:36:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fw: INP 371-373

More INPs. Same applies as last time. Alternatively you may combine all your
INP votes into one message.

TGW, acting Ambassador.

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> INP 371 
> submitted by Agora
> 
>  Game State Updates I
> 
>      The moderator of InterNomic shall make public a moderator's
> report.  
>      This report may be one message, or a series of messages grouped for 
>      clarity.  This report may contain any information the moderator 
>      feels is useful, but it must contain the following items of 
>      information;
> 
>         i) The current full text of the InterNomic ruleset.
>        ii) The complete list of member nomics.
>       iii) The scores of all member nomics.
>        iv) The identity of each liaison and their contact addresses.
>         v) The scores of all member nomics.
>        vi) The voting status of each member nomic.
> 
>      This report should be delivered once prior to the 15th of the 
>      month, and once after the 15th.
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------
> 
> INP 372
> 
> submitted by Agora
> 
> Game State Updates II
> 
> 
>      The moderator shall once every month make public a proposal
>      report. This report shall be in a single message and must 
>      contain the following items of information;
> 
>         i) The text, number, and submitter, of every proposal 
>            distributed by the moderator since the prior proposal report.
>        ii) The complete voting results for every such proposal whose 
>            voting period has concluded.
> 
>      This rule does not require record of proposals made before this
>      rule was in force.
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> INP 373
> submitted by Agora
> 
> Rewards for Voting
> 
>      If a nomic votes for a proposal made by another nomic and that 
>      proposal passes, that nomic gains half a point. If a nomic votes 
>      against a proposal made by another nomic and that proposal fails, 
>      that nomic gains half a point.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:36:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fw: INP 365-369 results

These are the results of INPs 365-9.

TGW, Acting Ambassador.

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> All of those proposals were submitted by New Rishonnomic:
> 
> P365
> FOR  - New Rishonnomic, Ackanomic  
> AGAINST - Agora, Micronomic
> 
> P366
> FOR- New Rishonnomic, Micronomic
> AGAINST - Agora, Ackanomic
> 
> P367 
> FOR- New Roshonnomic, Micronomic
> AGAINST - Agora, Ackanomic
> 
> 
> P368 
> FOR - New Rishonnomic, Ackanomic, Micronomic, Internomic
> AGAINST - Agora
> 
> P369
> FOR - New Rishonnomic, Ackanomic, Micronomic, Internomic
> AGAINST - Agora
> 
> 
> P365-367 fail
> P368-369 pass, each giving 2 points to New Rishonnomic
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:42:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 580 (FALSE (overturned))

- ----------
> From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 580 (FALSE (overturned))
> Date: 20 May 1998 23:28
> 
> > No problem. What do you think of this format?
> > 
> > Appealed by: saaremaa
> > Cortex: The Entity Formerly known as the supreme Court
> > Justices: /dev/joe and ThinMan
> > Judgement: FALSE
> 
> I think we can eliminate the Cortex line.  But you should keep the
> "Justices:" line, 

I don't mind how I do it. Whatever everyone else thinks appropriate.

> and make sure you can reconstruct it for appealed 
> CFJs from the time I was CotC 'till now, because we need to know
> which justice in order to track Bronze Torch points (even though
> most justices have a BT, it may be nice to know the BT points anyway).

All do currently although I don't think Praetor Alfvaen does yet (but I may
be wrong).

> When I was CotC, I tracked it in my Bronze Torch page but not in the
header.
> That was accurate when I left the game, and used the "SC" indicator. 
> You should be able to take that and go back and add the "Justices:" 
> line to the entire archive, if you are bored :-) 

Ha ha ha!

> I have no idea if
> information has been lost since I was CotC.

Alfvaen and Slakko between them did most of that sort of tracking whilst
Balsamic Dragon was CotC and I have now taken over "maintaining them. I
should be able to find all the information without too much difficulty.

TGW, CotC.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:03:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Paul Snyder)
Subject: Acka Observer List Unsubscribe Request

Esteemed Registrar-

My time observing Acknomic has been exceedingly interesting, and only 
my painful lack of time has permitted me from joining.  I had 
originally become interested in Acka from a link on the Chess Variant 
Pages.

Sadly, I can no longer afford to keep up with even a smattering of 
the messages.  Please unsubscribe me from all appropriate mailing 
lists.  (Or, if you are no longer the registrar, please forward this 
message to the current individual fulfilling those duties.)

Thanks,
Sb. Plant Kingdom

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:05:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Acka: Heraldry

Could someone who knows more of such things then me help encode
the following description into heraldspeak?

It has a blue background.

In the center is a gold question mark; the question mark is
surrounded by a gold circle.  Extending from the circle are four
gold diagonal lines, dividing the portion of the arms outside the
circle into four segments: a top segment, a bottom segment, a
left segment, and a right segment.

In the left segment there is a silver eighth-note; in the right
segment a silver pi symbol.  In the bottom segment is a juggling
club; it has a white handle with a black tip, and its head is
divided into three horizontal bands, the first one gold, the
second white, and the last gold.  In the top segment is a
picture of a barbarian warrior looking confused.

AtP

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:01:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Heraldry

On Wed, 20 May 1998, Micah Smukler wrote:

>Could someone who knows more of such things then me help encode
>the following description into heraldspeak?

Well, let's see.

>It has a blue background.

Azure,

>In the center is a gold question mark; the question mark is
>surrounded by a gold circle.  Extending from the circle are four
>gold diagonal lines, dividing the portion of the arms outside the
>circle into four segments: a top segment, a bottom segment, a
>left segment, and a right segment.

A saltire or beneath a circle voided and fimbriated or encircling a
question mark or.
(This is the best way I could come up with to phrase this  -- Once again,
I couldn't find this in any exising heraldic references that I have, so,
other thoughts are welcome)

>In the left segment there is a silver eighth-note; in the right
>segment a silver pi symbol.  In the bottom segment is a juggling
>club; it has a white handle with a black tip, and its head is
>divided into three horizontal bands, the first one gold, the
>second white, and the last gold.

In dexter, an eighth-note argent, in sinister a greek letter pi argent,
in base a juggling club argent tipped sable banded or, argent and or

>In the top segment is a
>picture of a barbarian warrior looking confused.

I'm not quite sure how this would be blazoned either.  I'm not sure
what the heraldic emblazon for a 'barbarian' is.  In fact the word
'barbarian' is a bit 'vague' in my mind.  I think this would have to be
specified a bit clearer.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:03:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Rule 257

> > Crackfoo is removed from the game.

> Is he really?  Rule 257 doen't say anything aout players being removed
> from the game, AWOL or no.  And I don't think you can remove him from the
> game by telling us that he told you that he wants to be removed, either.
> In fact, Rule 257 says that if the player responds to the query message,
> he isn't even AWOL anymore.

Was I mistaken in thinking this could happen, and that I'd even done it
before?  For some reason I assumed it was possible and there was precedent
for it.

Would it be sufficient for me to forward eir email to the public forum, or
would they actually have to post themselves?  Rule 257 doesn't seem to
handle the case of someone who does answer eir email, but still doesn't
want to play.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Donna Summer:Endless Summer
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
Errata: For "Errata", read "Erratum".

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:10:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Rule 257

> Was I mistaken in thinking this could happen, and that I'd even done it
> before?  For some reason I assumed it was possible and there was precedent
> for it.
> 
> Would it be sufficient for me to forward eir email to the public forum, or
> would they actually have to post themselves?  Rule 257 doesn't seem to
> handle the case of someone who does answer eir email, but still doesn't
> want to play.

When I was Speaker, their forwarded provate resignation e-mail to the
forum was accepted (at least no one complained, and it was harfed that way).  
Moreover, IIRC, this case came up just recently, where someone
unsubscribed from the lists, then notified Alfvaen privately that they
quit, and that was accepted.  Both prolly should *not* have worked, but
they did.  How far does game custom go :-) 

saaremaa

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:11:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Re: Acka: Heraldry

>On Wed, 20 May 1998, Micah Smukler wrote:
>
>>Could someone who knows more of such things then me help encode
>>the following description into heraldspeak?
>
>Well, let's see.
>
>>It has a blue background.
>
>Azure,
>
>>In the center is a gold question mark; the question mark is
>>surrounded by a gold circle.  Extending from the circle are four
>>gold diagonal lines, dividing the portion of the arms outside the
>>circle into four segments: a top segment, a bottom segment, a
>>left segment, and a right segment.
>
>A saltire or beneath a circle voided and fimbriated or encircling a
>question mark or.
>(This is the best way I could come up with to phrase this  -- Once again,
>I couldn't find this in any exising heraldic references that I have, so,
>other thoughts are welcome)
>
>>In the left segment there is a silver eighth-note; in the right
>>segment a silver pi symbol.  In the bottom segment is a juggling
>>club; it has a white handle with a black tip, and its head is
>>divided into three horizontal bands, the first one gold, the
>>second white, and the last gold.
>
>In dexter, an eighth-note argent, in sinister a greek letter pi argent,
>in base a juggling club argent tipped sable banded or, argent and or
>
>>In the top segment is a
>>picture of a barbarian warrior looking confused.
>
>I'm not quite sure how this would be blazoned either.  I'm not sure
>what the heraldic emblazon for a 'barbarian' is.  In fact the word
>'barbarian' is a bit 'vague' in my mind.  I think this would have to be
>specified a bit clearer.

Very well, then; make it a sleeping dodo bird. (I was about to try to
describe this more plainly, but I realized that I didn't really know
what I meant either.)

AtP

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:12:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 584 (FALSE (upheld))

> > This has upheld as FALSE by mutual consent between /dev/joe, saaremaa and
> > ThinMan (i.e. in any of the threads).

> I forgot to mention here that the appealer was penalised one point here.

Yes, you did.  saaremaa's score is much improved as a result.

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- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Jon & Vangelis:State of Independence
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
Sympathy, luxury, somebody will take you there

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:21:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Heraldry

> >It has a blue background.

> Azure,

> >In the center is a gold question mark; the question mark is
> >surrounded by a gold circle.  Extending from the circle are four
> >gold diagonal lines, dividing the portion of the arms outside the
> >circle into four segments: a top segment, a bottom segment, a
> >left segment, and a right segment.
> 
> A saltire or beneath a circle voided and fimbriated or encircling a
> question mark or.
> (This is the best way I could come up with to phrase this  -- Once again,
> I couldn't find this in any exising heraldic references that I have, so,
> other thoughts are welcome)

I note the existence of a "cross nowy", which looks like a cross with a
circle over the center.  With a bit of stretching we could perhaps call
that a "saltire nowy voided".

> >In the left segment there is a silver eighth-note; in the right
> >segment a silver pi symbol.  In the bottom segment is a juggling
> >club; it has a white handle with a black tip, and its head is
> >divided into three horizontal bands, the first one gold, the
> >second white, and the last gold.

> In dexter, an eighth-note argent, in sinister a greek letter pi argent,
> in base a juggling club argent tipped sable banded or, argent and or

I'm not sure about "banded Or, Argent, and Or", but I can't think of a
better way to describe it myself.

> >In the top segment is a
> >picture of a barbarian warrior looking confused.

> I'm not quite sure how this would be blazoned either.  I'm not sure
> what the heraldic emblazon for a 'barbarian' is.  In fact the word
> 'barbarian' is a bit 'vague' in my mind.  I think this would have to be
> specified a bit clearer.

"The Human Figure In Heraldry" is a chapter which pretty much every
Heraldry book has.  :-)  "Wild men" are well-known, although I don't
know if confusion is often blazoned.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stolen Moments--Red Hot & Cool
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
"They've _both_ not gone!"

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:25:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 580 (FALSE (overturned))

> > CFJs from the time I was CotC 'till now, because we need to know
> > which justice in order to track Bronze Torch points (even though
> > most justices have a BT, it may be nice to know the BT points anyway).

> All do currently although I don't think Praetor Alfvaen does yet (but I may
> be wrong).

No, I don't.  I've just got my Gold Cross.  It was a while before I reread
the Rule and discovered I was actually eligible for Praetor.

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- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stolen Moments--Red Hot & Cool
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
Gentlebeings, start your ectoplasm!

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka Observer List Unsubscribe Request

> My time observing Acknomic has been exceedingly interesting, and only 
> my painful lack of time has permitted me from joining.  I had 
> originally become interested in Acka from a link on the Chess Variant 
> Pages.

> Sadly, I can no longer afford to keep up with even a smattering of 
> the messages.  Please unsubscribe me from all appropriate mailing 
> lists.  (Or, if you are no longer the registrar, please forward this 
> message to the current individual fulfilling those duties.)

I'm still Registrar, and you are being unsubscribed as I type.  It is a
great time-waster, isn't it?  :-)  Hope to hear from you again...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stolen Moments--Red Hot & Cool
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
The job of waxing linoleum frequently peeves chintzy kids.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:33:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Heraldry

On Wed, 20 May 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>I note the existence of a "cross nowy", which looks like a cross with a
>circle over the center.  With a bit of stretching we could perhaps call
>that a "saltire nowy voided".

Ahh!! That would almost work, except 'saltire nowy voided' would have the
bars of the saltire voided as well.

>> In dexter, an eighth-note argent, in sinister a greek letter pi argent,
>> in base a juggling club argent tipped sable banded or, argent and or
>
>I'm not sure about "banded Or, Argent, and Or", but I can't think of a
>better way to describe it myself.

Yeah.. I know :)

>> >In the top segment is a
>> >picture of a barbarian warrior looking confused.
>
>> I'm not quite sure how this would be blazoned either.  I'm not sure
>> what the heraldic emblazon for a 'barbarian' is.  In fact the word
>> 'barbarian' is a bit 'vague' in my mind.  I think this would have to be
>> specified a bit clearer.
>
>"The Human Figure In Heraldry" is a chapter which pretty much every
>Heraldry book has.  :-)  "Wild men" are well-known, although I don't
>know if confusion is often blazoned.  :-)

Yes, but, is a 'barbarian' a wild-man? or is it more like a D&D barbarian
which would be a viking of some sort.  That's the confusion I was
referring to :)

- --JT

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[ It's hard to seize the day when you must first grapple with the morning ]
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:37:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: WITCHHUNTS!

>  I create a trinket named "Hubert's nonexistant EBS".  This has a
> description of "Looks just like a real EBS, but invisible" and a value of
> A$13.  I give this to Hubert.

Unfortunately, as a Forgery, this Trinket is transferred to Hubert.  Um.
So your evil plan is foiled!

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- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stolen Moments--Red Hot & Cool
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
I never buy books on impulse.  Only on warp.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:40:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Spelling Bee

> > Rule 1007.1, "Admissions Policies":
> > "it's" -> "its"
> > Add a period to the end of 4.

> Ouch. I can't believe I did that.

Well, _I_ can't believe the only time I spelled
"Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" right in Rule 999 was in
the title.  I feel so stupid.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stolen Moments--Red Hot & Cool
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
You have no idea how difficult it is to be predictably subtle.  --plord

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:40:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Re: Acka: Heraldry

>On Wed, 20 May 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>>I note the existence of a "cross nowy", which looks like a cross with a
>>circle over the center.  With a bit of stretching we could perhaps call
>>that a "saltire nowy voided".
>
>Ahh!! That would almost work, except 'saltire nowy voided' would have the
>bars of the saltire voided as well.
>
>>> In dexter, an eighth-note argent, in sinister a greek letter pi argent,
>>> in base a juggling club argent tipped sable banded or, argent and or
>>
>>I'm not sure about "banded Or, Argent, and Or", but I can't think of a
>>better way to describe it myself.
>
>Yeah.. I know :)
>
>>> >In the top segment is a
>>> >picture of a barbarian warrior looking confused.
>>
>>> I'm not quite sure how this would be blazoned either.  I'm not sure
>>> what the heraldic emblazon for a 'barbarian' is.  In fact the word
>>> 'barbarian' is a bit 'vague' in my mind.  I think this would have to be
>>> specified a bit clearer.
>>
>>"The Human Figure In Heraldry" is a chapter which pretty much every
>>Heraldry book has.  :-)  "Wild men" are well-known, although I don't
>>know if confusion is often blazoned.  :-)
>
>Yes, but, is a 'barbarian' a wild-man? or is it more like a D&D barbarian
>which would be a viking of some sort.  That's the confusion I was
>referring to :)
>

More of a wild-man.  A Hun, specifically.  What else? :-)

AtP

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:44:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Heraldry

> On Wed, 20 May 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
> >I note the existence of a "cross nowy", which looks like a cross with a
> >circle over the center.  With a bit of stretching we could perhaps call
> >that a "saltire nowy voided".

> Ahh!! That would almost work, except 'saltire nowy voided' would have the
> bars of the saltire voided as well.

Would it?  Or would that be "voided throughout"?  No, never mind.

Well, it could be "a saltire nowy surmounted of a hurt"(that's a roundel
Azure in case anyone was wondering)..."a roundel of the field" might be
clearer.

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- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stolen Moments--Red Hot & Cool
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
Everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:55:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Heraldry

>> In the center is a gold question mark; the question mark is
>> surrounded by a gold circle.  Extending from the circle are four
>> gold diagonal lines, dividing the portion of the arms outside the
>> circle into four segments: a top segment, a bottom segment, a
>> left segment, and a right segment.
> 
> A saltire or beneath a circle voided and fimbriated or encircling a
> question mark or.
> (This is the best way I could come up with to phrase this  -- Once again,
> I couldn't find this in any exising heraldic references that I have, so,
> other thoughts are welcome)

One minor point - I believe the above should be "a saltire beneath a
circle voided and fimbriated encircling a question mark or".

As for your question, though - not sure. Perhaps "a saltire surmounted
by a roundel voided and charged with a question mark or"? Except of
course that seems to imply that you can see the center of the saltire
behind the question mark.

>> In the left segment there is a silver eighth-note; in the right
>> segment a silver pi symbol.  In the bottom segment is a juggling
>> club; it has a white handle with a black tip, and its head is
>> divided into three horizontal bands, the first one gold, the
>> second white, and the last gold.
> 
> In dexter, an eighth-note argent, in sinister a greek letter pi argent,
> in base a juggling club argent tipped sable banded or, argent and or

And likewise - "in dexter an eighth-note and in sinister a Greek
letter pi argent, in base a juggling club of the third tipped sable
banded of the second, third, second".

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