Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #162
From: [email-masked] (ackanomic digest)
To: [email-masked]

ackanomic digest        Wednesday, May 20 1998        Volume 03 : Number 162

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:24:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Once again

On Mon, 18 May 1998, K2 wrote:

> Offer it to the org, Hubert can then instruct the church to accept it.
> 
> K 2

Hmm... I was under the impression that all Ayla need do is give it to the
CHurch, but if the Church does not yet have that SBoC I suggest that it
accept it.  Which, of course, happens.

> Raquel Peres da Silva wrote:
> 
> > > This has nothing to do with your message above, but I would suggest that
> > > since H*bert has called a Hunt on you, you should give the Spellbook to
> > > the Church while the Witchhunt is going on.  Just in case. :-)
> >
> > I give the Spellbook, which I believe is in my hands right now, to the
> > Order of the Razor Boomerangs. I'd rather read it latter, after I've been
> > burnt as the evil witch I seem to be...
> >
> > Just to prevent me from screwing things up as I have done quite often in
> > the last few days, could you tell me if this is the correct way to do it?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Ayla
> > Priestess of the Order of the Razor Boomerangs
> > Priestess of the Church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer
> >
> > Law of Cat Thermodynamics: Heat flows from a warmer to a cooler body,
> > except in the case of a cat, when all heat flows to the cat.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

- -Hubert

For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. 

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:25:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Someone call a CSSR

On Mon, 18 May 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

> Proposal 3067:
> 
> "The butler may then not be used until a period of rime equal to twice the
> time it was performing this duty has passed."      ^^^^
> 
>  That word should read "time".

How do you know this?  The author could just as easily have meant that a
period of frost equal to the specified length of time must pass.

- -Hubert, grimly retrieving eir spanner

For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. 

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:28:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Agenda Hats

On Mon, 18 May 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:

> I think you have to tell us the possible verdicts for this to be an actual
> calling of a Public health Emergency.

I think you're right.  I retract the PHE called by myself against H*bert.
I would recall it, but the tide of it seemed to be drastically against em
obtaining eir AH condition. I'd suggest e post something more worthy of
snowgod's Disease (a revelation of the next attempted scam on the part of 
the bannists, perhaps) and I'll try again.

- -Hubert

I'm not against women. Not often enough, anyway. 

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:54:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Important actions

On Tue, 19 May 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

>> Also, I create a trinket named "Doh!", with the following description:
>
>I may just be hallucinating but didn't rufus have a trinket called doh at
>some point?

Rex Mundi had something with a similar intent, but I couldn't find a
trinket named 'doh' or anything similar.  If I'm mistaken, please correct
me :)

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 01:16:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Important actions

JT wrote:
> On Tue, 19 May 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
> >[Ayla wrote:]
> >> Also, I create a trinket named "Doh!", with the following description:
> >I may just be hallucinating but didn't rufus have a trinket called doh at
> >some point?
> 
> Rex Mundi had something with a similar intent, but I couldn't find a
> trinket named 'doh' or anything similar.  If I'm mistaken, please correct
> me :)

February 25th of this year, rufus sent this on acka-research, so it
didn't actually happen, a fact which was pointed out by TGW:

> I create a trinket called the D'oh!  It is a big green inflatible hammer,
> perfect knocking one's self over the head with.  It has the value of
> A$10.
> 
> I knock myself over the head with the D'oh!

Rex Mundi also made this trinket January 11th:

> I create a trinket, value 5 A$, entitled: Rex's golden shovel of stupidity.
> This is a glowing golden shovel, which makes a loud "D'oh!" sound when it
> is smacked off someone's head.
> 
> I then spend 15 minutes smacking myself on the head with it, before playing
> a Grave Robber card on Chaos.

/dev/joe

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 01:20:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Important actions

On Wed, 20 May 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

>February 25th of this year, rufus sent this on acka-research, so it
>didn't actually happen, a fact which was pointed out by TGW:

That would explain why I didn't have it in the Trinket Database, and why
Ayla's creation succeeded :)  (I searched the database, but didn't have
time to search the archives.   Thanks Joe)

>> I create a trinket, value 5 A$, entitled: Rex's golden shovel of stupidity.
>> This is a glowing golden shovel, which makes a loud "D'oh!" sound when it
>> is smacked off someone's head.

This one is in my archives, but it doesn't conflict with Ayla's named
'doh!' so... :)

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 01:40:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Rule 257

It has been pointed out to me that Crackfoo was AWOL.  Per Rule 257, I
send em an email asking em whether e wished to remain in the game.  E
responded that e would leave for now, but may return later.  So
Crackfoo is removed from the game.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--XTC:Black Sea
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
You will cease issuing ultimatums, or else.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 01:43:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Phoebe

UglyBigNose has failed to post Phoebe's wisdom.  Her matchbox has been
found by JT.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--XTC:Black Sea
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
The worthy machine ought not always paste the astronomer.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 01:50:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kelly Kelly <[email-masked]>
Subject: No II

In the BWG auction I bid A$ 100

K 2

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 01:57:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Re: No II (K 2)

> In the BWG auction I bid A$ 100
> 
> K 2

As your Postmaster I declare that K 2 has just Gone Postal.

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 02:00:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Phoebe

Returning home one night from my routine sojourns to the Ackanomic
Library, I paused as I thought I heard a sound coming from the coffee
table inside the door.

Quickly flipping on the light, and holding my Boomerang at the ready, I
was surprised to find, not an intruder, but the ever knowledgable flea
Phoebe.

"Why Pheobe!" I exclaimed.   "I've been looking forward to meeting you
since my first day here!   Tell me, please tell me, what is the best
thing I can do to enrich Ackanomic?"

"Well well, if it isn't one of the newer players, " she replied.
"But then again, you're all new to me, well relatively speaking at
least.  Anyway, in answer to your question, you are already doing it.
Giving back to Acka for the enjoyment you get.   Taking on
responsibilities.  Seeking Enlightenment.   By pursuing these goals, Acka
becomes ever richer."

Flabbergasted by the simple Truth of her words, I barely noticed the
small *pop* as she and her matchbox disappeared.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 02:07:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Quick question

One of the players asked me a heraldry question which try as I might, I
cannot find a really good answer to.. I came up with something, but
figured perhaps one of the other heraldry buffs might have seen/come
across the answer to this one in the past (unlikely, but hey :)

How would one blazon a hand doing the 'OK' sign (thumb and forefinger
touching, other three fingers extended).  Also, if that was emblazoned
'apaumee' (palm forward), it would be hard to see, so how could one
specify that the palm should be facing one of the sides.. None of the
heraldry refs I had showed any blazon for anything other than apaumee
or clenched (a fist), and in one case 'in benediction' which was fourth
and little finger curled, thumb and other two fingers extended (as in the
priestly blessing)

I would blazon the hand if the palm was forward as
'a dexter hand with thumb and forefinger in anullo', (since apaumee is the
default for hands).  However, I would rather turn the hand to the side so
that it was more easily visible what the hand was doing.

I would welcome any thoughts on a sensible way to blazon this.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 02:29:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Purple robe of Justice

I spend A$227 to aquire the Purple Robe of Justice.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 04:17:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CSR 141

As Chess-Umpire, I am issuing the following Common Sense Report affecting
only the Party Chess Rule Suite.

This is CSR 141:

Amend Rule 1230.1 by replacing the quoted text

"An on-board piece is in a Defensive Position if the distance between that
piece a friendly King is equal to or smaller than 4."

with the quoted text

"An on-board piece is in a Defensive Position if the distance between that
piece and a friendly King is equal to or smaller than 4."

[Thanks to Niccolo for pointing out this bug, and apologies to him for
having to send him the CSR twice.]

#end CSR
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:44:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Phoebe

After a brief stay with JT, Phoebe's matchbox has been found by her old
nemesis saaremaa.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Wall of Voodoo:Look At Their Way
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
This article has no next sibling.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:02:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Quick question

> How would one blazon a hand doing the 'OK' sign (thumb and forefinger
> touching, other three fingers extended).  Also, if that was emblazoned
> 'apaumee' (palm forward), it would be hard to see, so how could one
> specify that the palm should be facing one of the sides.. None of the
> heraldry refs I had showed any blazon for anything other than apaumee
> or clenched (a fist), and in one case 'in benediction' which was fourth
> and little finger curled, thumb and other two fingers extended (as in the
> priestly blessing)

Yeah, I haven't run across anything more than that myself, not even in
_Boutell's Heraldry_, which is up-to-date enough to include mention of
"a representation of the path of two electrons rotating round a nucleus
Gules" and "three representations of the symbol of the paramagnetic
electron, those in chief being in the orbit of the third and that in base
of the second harmonic Azure".

> I would blazon the hand if the palm was forward as
> 'a dexter hand with thumb and forefinger in anullo', (since apaumee is the
> default for hands).  However, I would rather turn the hand to the side so
> that it was more easily visible what the hand was doing.

You could just call it "a hand raised in affirmation"...:-)  Apart from that,
I'd go for "a hand, thumb and forefinger circled and other fingers raised,
palm to the dexter" or whatever.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Squeeze:Wicked & Cruel
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
AAAAA--American Association Against Alliteration Abuse

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:21:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Quick question

On Wed, 20 May 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

>> How would one blazon a hand doing the 'OK' sign (thumb and forefinger
>> touching, other three fingers extended).  Also, if that was emblazoned
>> 'apaumee' (palm forward), it would be hard to see, so how could one
>> specify that the palm should be facing one of the sides.. None of the
>> heraldry refs I had showed any blazon for anything other than apaumee
>> or clenched (a fist), and in one case 'in benediction' which was fourth
>> and little finger curled, thumb and other two fingers extended (as in the
>> priestly blessing)
>
>Yeah, I haven't run across anything more than that myself, not even in
>_Boutell's Heraldry_, which is up-to-date enough to include mention of
>"a representation of the path of two electrons rotating round a nucleus
>Gules" and "three representations of the symbol of the paramagnetic
>electron, those in chief being in the orbit of the third and that in base
>of the second harmonic Azure".

Ooooh :)  (the oooh in response to the electrons on coats of arms :)  I'll
have to see if any of the local library's have Boutell's (or any of the
local bookstores for that matter).

>> I would blazon the hand if the palm was forward as
>> 'a dexter hand with thumb and forefinger in anullo', (since apaumee is the
>> default for hands).  However, I would rather turn the hand to the side so
>> that it was more easily visible what the hand was doing.
>
>You could just call it "a hand raised in affirmation"...:-)  Apart from that,
>I'd go for "a hand, thumb and forefinger circled and other fingers raised,
>palm to the dexter" or whatever.

I think I'll go with the second since it's certainly unambiguous.

Thanks for the comments Alfvaen.

- --JT

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:35:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Spelling Bee

The Spelling Bee is flying!

Stingings:

Rule 252, "Joining The Game":
"recieve" -> "receive"

Rule 344, "Weasel Words":
"CJF"->"CFJ"

Rule 402, "Offices, Related Definitions":
"notifyng" -> "notifying"
"recieved" -> "received"

Rule 416, "Supreme Court":
"privelege" -> "privilege"
"pruposes" -> "purposes"
"Suprme" -> "Supreme"

Rule 416.1, "The Supreme Cortex":
"owers" -> "owners"
"onwer" -> "owner"

Rule 419.3, "How are Things Out There":
"Ackacnomic" -> "Ackanomic"

Rule 437, "Providing Meaning Where We Can":
"membes" -> "members"

Rule 530, "The Stock Market":
"occured" -> "occurred"

Rule 532, "Stocks":
"entitied" -> "entities"

Rule 534, "The Ackan Reserve":
"either the AR-F, of the AR-P" -> "either the AR-F, or the AR-P"

Rule 597, "The Frankenstein Monster(s)":
"submited" -> "submitted"

Rule 607, "Winning by Agenda":
"unapealable" -> "unappealable"

Rule 851, "Gone But Not Forgotten":
"fulfil" -> "fulfill"

Rule 950, "Ackanomic Sound System Rule Suite":
"Privileges" -> "Privileges"
"Privelege" -> "Privilege" (multiple)

Rule 999, "The Quirpele of Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis":
"Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosois" ->
"Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" (multiple)

Rule 1003, "Organizations":
"anounce" -> "announce" (multiple)
"anouncing" -> "announcing" (multiple)
"Oranization's" -> "Organization's"
"anounces" -> "announces"
"attmpet" -> "attempt"
"Orgnizational" -> "Organizational"

Rule 1005, "Organizational Action"
"proxys" -> "proxies"
"aprove" -> "approve"
"orgalisational" -> "organizational"

Rule 1007.1, "Admissions Policies":
"it's" -> "its"
Add a period to the end of 4.

Rule 1009, "Political Parties and Rewarding Party Unity":
"recieve" -> "receive"
Add a period to the last sentence.

Rule 1010, "Spotter":
"divisable" -> "divisible"

Rule 1013, "Secret Laboratories":
"20% of" -> "20% if"

Rule 1015, "More Than human":
Capitalize "human" in the title.

Rule 1017, "Trusts":
"existance" -> "existence"
"posesses" -> "possesses"

Rule 1040, "Party Hall":
"refered" -> "referred"

Rule 1060, "Transnomicial Trade Pacts Rule Suite.":
"Transnomical" -> "Transnomicial"

Rule 1130, "The Ackanomic Printing Guild":
"experiemented" -> "experimented"

Rule 1160, "Heraldry":
"priveledge" -> "privilege"

Rule 1230.11, "Creation of a PartyChessPiece Jester":
Add periods to the end of section 1. and section 3.

Rule 1240.5, "Otzma Card of Type Rod & Staff":
"unambigiously" -> "unambiguously"

Rule 1240.19, "Otzma Card of Type Founder's Boon":
"existance" -> "existence"

Rule 1240.50, "Otzma Card of type Shield":
"occurances" -> "occurrences"
"existance" -> "existence"
Capitalize "type" in title

Rule 1250.7:
"ackanomic" -> "Ackanomic"

Rule 1250.10, "Fictionary":
"substanially" -> "substantially" (multiple)
"publiclly" -> "publicly"

Rule 1250.23, "Eleusis":
"recieves" -> "receives"
"recieve" -> "receive"
"cards head in their hand" -> "cards held in their hand"

Rule 1301, "Church":
"reffer" -> "refer"

Rule 1307.1, "The Color Black":
"alledged" -> "alleged"

Rule 1340, "The Great Sphere Probe":
"beoming" -> "becoming"

Rule 3048, "Feuds":
Add a period to the end of 1.a.
"when on of" -> "when one of"
"of two month" -> "of two months"
[Also a few missing words that will need a CSR...]

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--REM:(Don't Go Back To)Rockville
Current Book--Vivian Vande Velde:The Changeling Prince
New farm hand (picking just six quinces) proves strong but lazy.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:41:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Raquel Peres da Silva" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Important actions

> On Tue, 19 May 1998, Raquel Peres da Silva wrote:
> 
> >I offer the Spellbook, which I believe is in my hands right now, to the
> >Order of the Razor Boomerangs. I'd rather read it later, after I've been
> >burnt as the evil witch I seem to be...
> 
> I suggest that the Order of Razor Boomerangs accept the spellbook from
> Ayla.  I also approve of this suggestion.  (Hubert, Ayla, Joe Java
> you still need to approve this)
> 
> --JT

I do.

Ayla
Priestess of the Order of the Razor Boomerangs
Priestess of the Church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer

Law of Cat Thermodynamics: Heat flows from a warmer to a cooler body,
except in the case of a cat, when all heat flows to the cat.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:23:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: WITCHHUNTS!

On Sat, 16 May 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

>  I call Witchhunt hearings on: Joe Java, H*bert, Ayla, Rufus, else...if,
> J M Bear, Koxvolio and JT.  (In the case of the hearing on H*bert this is
> a color hearing - since I can't call a world one on myself...)
> 
>  Valid responses are (reply to me to vote... :-):
> 
 Somewhat belatedly I will now announce the results.  

 This is the same for all of the above mentioned hearings:

>  "No! E said the earth is flat" 

 4

>  "BURN THE WITCH!"

 8 + a number of EBS's, all cancelled out by Alfvaen's GBS {spit, spit}

>  "BAA!" :-)

 0

> Pheobe

 1 non-existant EBS.
 
 So all the suspects are burned!  Heretics!!!!!

>  Any player who's EBS votes differently to emself will gain a trinket.
>

 And I believe this actually is possible, by a suitable reading of the
rules...  Since Hubert was the only one who even entered into the spirit
of this (with the Pheobe vote above) I will give him a trinket.

 I create a trinket named "Hubert's nonexistant EBS".  This has a
description of "Looks just like a real EBS, but invisible" and a value of
A$13.  I give this to Hubert.
 
 H*bert.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:47:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Spelling Bee

> Rule 1007.1, "Admissions Policies":
> "it's" -> "its"
> Add a period to the end of 4.

Ouch. I can't believe I did that.

> Rule 3048, "Feuds":
> Add a period to the end of 1.a.
> "when on of" -> "when one of"
> "of two month" -> "of two months"
> [Also a few missing words that will need a CSR...]

Do tell.

TGW.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:16:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Rule 257

On Wed, 20 May 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> It has been pointed out to me that Crackfoo was AWOL.  Per Rule 257, I
> send em an email asking em whether e wished to remain in the game.  E
> responded that e would leave for now, but may return later.  So
> Crackfoo is removed from the game.
> 

Is he really?  Rule 257 doen't say anything aout players being removed
from the game, AWOL or no.  And I don't think you can remove him from the
game by telling us that he told you that he wants to be removed, either.
In fact, Rule 257 says that if the player responds to the query message,
he isn't even AWOL anymore.

                                - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:15:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

>Attila the Pun wrote:
>> [I offer to trade someone A$1000 for a Rock to Wind a String Around.
>
>I accept Attila the Pun's A$1000 for one of my Rocks to Wind a String Around.
>
>/dev/joe

Offer?

What offer?

Why are you quoting text with no semantic value?

:-)

AtP

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:27:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ archives

I am using the following URL for CFJ archives:

http://brain.mics.net/~tomwalmsley/acka/cfj580.html

Is there another URL where they are up to date, or is
this the best available?

Thx in advance,

saaremaa
Justice

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:32:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ archives

On Wed, 20 May 1998, Randy Hall wrote:

> I am using the following URL for CFJ archives:
> 
> http://brain.mics.net/~tomwalmsley/acka/cfj580.html
> 
> Is there another URL where they are up to date, or is
> this the best available?

That's all there is.  The Clerk of the Court is doing it now.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:37:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

/dev/joe wrote:
>>Attila the Pun wrote:
>>> [I offer to trade someone A$1000 for a Rock to Wind a String Around.
>>
>>I accept Attila the Pun's A$1000 for one of my Rocks to Wind a String Around.
>>
>>/dev/joe

and Attila the Pun replied:
>
>Offer?
>
>What offer?
>
>Why are you quoting text with no semantic value?
>
>:-)
>
>AtP

Dear AtP:

I noticed the square brackets in your message the first time, as, I imagine,
did /dev/joe.  The only reason I did not accept the offer is that /dev/joe
beat me to it.  Text in square brackets _in the rules_ has no semantic
value, but that is not necessarilly, not even likely, the case for such
text in public messages.

I hope you get good use out of your rock.

ThinMan
What's that, about a 16000% markup?

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:07:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Request

Does anybody have the exact text of Beldin's Pants when CFJ 567 was
submitted?  If not, I'm going to have to reconstruct it from my
archive of beldin's pants actions. :-(

Amazingly, during all that debate, I don't think anybody quoted
the rule, and it's gone from the web page now.

/dev/joe
a Justice presiding over CFJ 567

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:43:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Stripe

Zounds! Another player has reached a hitherto rarely obtained level.  With
an uncharacteristic bunch of proposals, /dev/joe has scaled a height only
obtained by saaremaa and Alfvaen before him.  E has reached a Blue Cross
Rank of 110!

I therefore award /dev/joe, Senator of Ackanomic, a Silver Stripe to
complement eir two Gold Stripes.  Have some harf with it, and wear it
well.

Yours,
Slakko
keep the ceremonies coming.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:49:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Stripe

On Wed, 20 May 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> Zounds! Another player has reached a hitherto rarely obtained level.  With
> an uncharacteristic bunch of proposals, /dev/joe has scaled a height only
> obtained by saaremaa and Alfvaen before him.  E has reached a Blue Cross
> Rank of 110!

D'oh!

s/\/dev\/joe/Niccolo Flychuck/

> 
> I therefore award /dev/joe, Senator of Ackanomic, a Silver Stripe to
> complement eir two Gold Stripes.  Have some harf with it, and wear it
> well.

Apologies to Niccolo Flychuck.  I award you, Niccolo Flychuck, with a
Silver Stripe, for reaching 110 Blue Cross Rank, before /dev/joe did it.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:14:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Request

> Does anybody have the exact text of Beldin's Pants when CFJ 567 was
> submitted?  If not, I'm going to have to reconstruct it from my
> archive of beldin's pants actions. :-(
> 
> Amazingly, during all that debate, I don't think anybody quoted
> the rule, and it's gone from the web page now.

As it happens, I do. It read as follows:

"Beldin's Pants are a rule, initially Somewhere Else. Beldin's Pants may only
be amended as described by the Praetor. Beldin's Pants are unique. 

Each non-player recipient of any Parka paints 1 Goose every Thursday at
noon."

HTH,
TGW.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:14:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ archives

> I am using the following URL for CFJ archives:
> 
> http://brain.mics.net/~tomwalmsley/acka/cfj580.html
> 
> Is there another URL where they are up to date, or is
> this the best available?

I am badly out of date at the moment but making slow progress. It shouldn't
be too long before I'm totally up to date. In the mean time, if there's
anything in particular that you want then you need just ask and I can email
it to you, or alternatively, if you just want to see what's happened whilst
you've been away then I could just email them all to you. Just say the word.

TGW, CotC, assistant web harfer.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:14:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

> I noticed the square brackets in your message the first time, as, I
imagine,
> did /dev/joe.  The only reason I did not accept the offer is that /dev/joe
> beat me to it.  Text in square brackets _in the rules_ has no semantic
> value, but that is not necessarilly, not even likely, the case for such
> text in public messages.

Rule 340 (God I love that rule :-) states:

"The following conventions apply to all Ackanomic text, except where a
specific type of text (e.g. rules), is specified."

followed by:

"IV. Text delimited by square brackets [e.g. this] is a note. Notes have no
semantic meaning."

so I'm pretty sure this had the effect AtP desired.

TGW.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:14:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Feuding

We the Holy and Righteous Church of the Good Ballot Stuffer are declaring a
feud on the deplorable church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer [Spit!] Since I am
founder this now happens.

TGW.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:15:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 592 (FALSE)

Hubert has judged this FALSE.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 592- May 12, 1998
Subject: Chess
Initiator: J.M. Bear (sent May 12, 1998, 11:09)
Judge: Rex Mundi (selected May 13, 1998, 17:44) (declined)
Second Judge: Hubert
Judgement: 

Statement:
When a winner of a game of Party Chess is declared by
Rule 1230.40, the current game of Party Chess ends, and
a new game of Party Chess begins.

Initiator's Reasoning:
Although Party Chess has no official game counter,
the title "Winner of a game of Party Chess" expresses that the
game of Party Chess ended. Since playing Party Chess goes
on, a new game of Party Chess has begun. The game of Party
Chess which is an unownable entity probably includes all of
Party Chess.

The rules may need a change to further clarify this, but if one
plays and wins a game of Monopoly, this doesn't change the
ownership of the game hardware, or the copyright. Likewise,
anything which suggests that more than one game of Party
Chess exists, refers to the gameplay between two consecutive
Winner declarations by Rule 1230.40, not to the entity itself
protecting rules, game state and gameplay.

Judge's Reasoning:
Honestly, I have no idea what the relevance of the second paragraph is
(or, for that matter, the relevance of the entire CFJ).  I don't
think any interpretation of "Winner of a game of Party Chess" can possibly
be construed to mean that Slakko has taken possession of the game of Party
Chess.  However, R1230.40 resets the round counter to a multiple of 50
greater than the current round upon a winner's being declared, which would
seem to me to imply that the fresh start is merely a part of the same
game.  Perhaps this does need to be fixed for some reason, but I
personally can see no problem with it as is; if there is a problem, it
escapes my poor brain.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:15:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 580 (FALSE (overturned))

This has been overturned to FALSE by the entity formerly known as the supreme
court with /dev/joe acting for breadbox. The initial judge is penalised one
point.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 580- May 03, 1998
Subject: Invalid?
Initiator: Slakko (sent May 03, 1998, 03:21)
Judge: JT (selected May 03, 1998, 07:30)
Judgement: TRUE
Appealed by: saaremaa
Judgement FALSE

Statement:
Proposal 2936 was never declared invalid and removed from voting
consideration, and nor was it retracted.

Slakko's Reasoning:
Pandora never retracted Proposal 2936.  While it may appear to have been
similar to Proposal 2928, at no stage was the opinion of a judge asked
for.  Therefore, as Rule 309 says that the proposals must be substantially
similar "in the judgement of a judge to adjudicate such matters", and no
such judge has been chosen because no such CFJ has been submitted,
Proposal 2936 is not invalid.

Judge's Reasoning:
Rule 309 does in fact seem to be very clear that a judgement needs to be
made in order to rule it invalid.  Therefore, the statement made above is
true.  On first looking at the rule, it was unclear if the paranthetical
phrase referred to both the first clause or to the second one 'or the game
effect ...' as well, but given the recent discussions about just this sort
of ambiguity (with respect to Majiks and Trinkets), I'd have to believe
that the same considerations would apply here. 

Appealer's Reasoning:
[None]

Supreme Court's Comments:
Rule 309 has been amended since this time, but the version in effect then
had the following text before the conditions, which are unchanged, and a
later part that made duplicating proposals a crime:

> Proposal A is invalid if it, or the game effect that would occur if
> it is adopted, is substantially similar, (in the judgement of a judge to
> adjudicate such matters) to Proposal B, or the game effect that would
> occur if Proposal B is adopted, and both of the following are true:

It is clear that the parenthetical bit applied to both "it" and "or
the game effect".  However, the customary interpretation has been
either that the parenthetical clause is an optional qualifier,
something meant to take effect only when there is doubt whether or not
two proposals are similar, or that "judge" here does not necessarily
mean "judge of a CFJ".  There is plenty of game history to support
the interpretation of this rule that a CFJ is not required to make
a similar proposal invalid, and hardly any CFJs which determined
the similarity of proposals.

In this case, the two proposals were identical, so it is clear they
were substantially similar, and the proposal was removed from the
queue in the way many others have been in the past.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:15:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 584 (FALSE (upheld))

> This has upheld as FALSE by mutual consent between /dev/joe, saaremaa and
> ThinMan (i.e. in any of the threads).

I forgot to mention here that the appealer was penalised one point here.

TGW, CotC.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:21:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Vacation

ThinMan wrote:
> /dev/joe wrote:
> >>Attila the Pun wrote:
> >>> [I offer to trade someone A$1000 for a Rock to Wind a String Around.
> >>I accept Attila the Pun's A$1000 for one of my Rocks to Wind a String
> >>Around.
>
> and Attila the Pun replied:
> >What offer?
> >Why are you quoting text with no semantic value?
> 
> I noticed the square brackets in your message the first time, as, I imagine,
> did /dev/joe.  The only reason I did not accept the offer is that /dev/joe
> beat me to it.  Text in square brackets _in the rules_ has no semantic
> value, but that is not necessarilly, not even likely, the case for such
> text in public messages.

Actually, Attila may have a valid point.  Rule 340 says:

>The following conventions apply to all Ackanomic text, except where a
>specific type of text (e.g. rules), is specified.
[...]
>IV. Text delimited by square brackets [e.g. this] is a note. Notes have no
>semantic meaning.

Are public messages considered to be "Ackanomic text"? That will have to
be left up to a judge.

I note that the original form of this rule only applied to rules, but
P1031 changed it to read as follows (back when it was R545; it was
renumbered to 344 by P1618, and replaced by the current version in
R340 by P2411):

>A left square bracket in a rule or other text begins a note, which ends
>with the next following right square bracket, or the end of the rule or
>body of text, whichever comes first.  [This means that notes do not nest.]
>In the Ackanomic language, notes have no semantic meaning, whatever their
>lexical content.

/dev/joe

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:27:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 580 (FALSE (overturned))

> This has been overturned to FALSE by the entity formerly known as the supreme
> court with /dev/joe acting for breadbox. The initial judge is penalised one
> point.

> Call For Judgement 580- May 03, 1998
> Subject: Invalid?
> Initiator: Slakko (sent May 03, 1998, 03:21)
> Judge: JT (selected May 03, 1998, 07:30)
> Judgement: TRUE
> Appealed by: saaremaa
> Judgement FALSE

Since we now have a multitude of possible justices who could judge any
single appealed CFJ, it would be nice if we included the info for which
justices issued the judgement in the headers of each CFJ.

/dev/joe

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:34:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 580 (FALSE (overturned))

> Since we now have a multitude of possible justices who could judge any
> single appealed CFJ, it would be nice if we included the info for which
> justices issued the judgement in the headers of each CFJ.

No problem. What do you think of this format?

Appealed by: saaremaa
Cortex: The Entity Formerly known as the supreme Court
Justices: /dev/joe and ThinMan
Judgement: FALSE

(except with all the other stuff at the top too).

TGW.

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:14:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Fw: INP 370

This is the most recent Internomic Proposal. I am acting ambassador so you
may reply to me to indicate how you wish Acka to vote.

TGW.

- ------

> INP 370
> 
> Add "unless otherwise specified" to the end of the first sentance of rule
214.
> 
> Create a new rule reading as follows:
> 	A member of internomic, whether voting or not, may join the
> Internomic Trade Association by announcing its intent to join to all
> Liaisons (for example by posting it on the mailing list) and having the
> Customs Officers for at least half of the members of the ITA publicly
> support their admission.  If there are fewer than three members of the ITA
> then its admission does not require the approval of any Customs Officers.
> Regardless of how many members there are in the ITA, the nomic does not
> enter the ITA for one week.  During that week the Speaker of Internomic is
> expected to read the rules of that nomic to ensure that they are compatible
> with the ITA, and may veto the nomic's entrance if they do not.  A nomic
> may leave the ITA by announcing its intent to do that to all Liaisons.
> 	A member of the ITA, through its Customs Officer, may condemn
> another member of the ITA.  A comdemnation may be withdrawn by the Customs
> Officer.  If at any time two-thirds of the members of the ITA have
> condemned a given member of the ITA then Internomic will condemn the nomic
> and it will be considered a rouge nomic.  The exact effects of a nomic
> being condemned or rouge are left up to each nomic, however all nomics are
> discouraged from trading with rouge nomics.
> 	For the rest of this rule, all nomics refered to will be assumed to
> be members of the ITA.  Each nomic will have a Customs Officer.  Unless the
> nomic specifies otherwise, the Liaison will serve as the Customs Officer.
> All actions which the rest of this rule says may be performed by a nomic
> should be performed by the Customs Officer announcing the action to all
> Customs Officers.
> 	A nomic (the sender), via the Customs Officer, may offer to trade
> an object or objects to another nomic (the recipient).  The offer may be
> conditional on the receipt of an object from the recipient.  The offer must
> clearly specify all information necessary to determine which objects are
> being traded, and must include the nomic of origin of every object being
> traded.  The recipient may either accept or reject the offer.  If the offer
> is rejected by the recipient, the offer will be cancelled.  If it is
> accepted, then the objects specified will traded from the sender to the
> recipient, and any objects the offer was conditional upon will be traded
> from the recipient to the owner.  When an object is traded from nomic A to
> nomic B the object will cease to owned by anything within A or A itself,
> and will be owned by either B or something within B specified by B's rules;
> it will be known as being the property of B, and B will be known to possess
> it.  Any time before the recipient accepts or rejects the offer, the sender
> may cancel it.  A cancelled offer may not be acted on in any way.  The
> precise meaning of ownership will very between the members of the ITA,
> however when the Speaker checks the nomic's rules e should confirm that the
> nomic's definition of ownership is compatible with the literal, implied,
> and intended meaning of this rule.  An object may only be offered if the
> sender either possesses that object, or is the noo for it.  A conditional
> offer may only be accepted if for each conditional object, the recipient
> either possesses it or is its noo.
> 	The nomic which created an object is known as its nomic of origin,
> or noo.  Any objects which are to the property of their noo are exported.
> All nomics must keep track of all exported objects they are in possession
> of, and the noo of each of those objects, and make this information
> available to all Liaisons.  If an object is exported, the nomic which
> possesses it may not stop possessing it except through an accepted trade,
> when it leaves the ITA, or when the object's noo leaves Internomic.  If a
> nomic leaves the ITA or Internomic, all exported objects for which it is
> the noo will cease to exist in all ITA members, and all exported objects it
> posesses are returned to their noo.
> 	Each nomic retains jurisdiction over all purely internal affairs,
> although this jurisdiction may be delegated.  Exported objects may not be
> modified in any way, nor may they be traded except through the methods laid
> out in this rule.
> 	Internomic is a member of the ITA, and the Speaker is its Customs
> Officer.  Any offer made to Internomic is instantly cancelled.  All Int's
> are considered to be exported with Internomic as their noo.  Whenever
> Internomic owns an Int, it is destroyed.
> 	The Speaker of Internomic, either personally or by delegating the
> task, is responsible for keeping a log of all transactions.  The log should
> include all trades involving an object for which it is the noo, including
> the sender, the recipient, and the time.  Nomics are expected to keep logs
> of their own and compare their logs with the Internomic log regularly, and
> correct any discrepancies to their mutual satisfaction.
> 	When a nomic joins the ITA, and the ITA has been in existance for
> less than two months, then that nomic will posess 10,000 Int's.  This
> paragraph will repeal itself two months after this rule is created.
> 	If a member of the ITA's ruleset or gamestate is not compatible
> with the ITA, as determined by a CFJ, then that nomic is immediately
> removed from the ITA.  In order to be compatible with the ITA, a nomic must
> comply with the following:
> 	1) It must define ownership.  Only one entity may own a given
> object at a time.
> 	2) If an object is not possessed by the nomic then its ownership
> may not be transfered except through an action defined in this rule.
> 	3) It must not discriminate between objects for which it is the noo
> which were once exported and those which never were.
> 

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