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ackanomic digest         Tuesday, May 12 1998         Volume 03 : Number 147

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:01:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Harf!

On Mon, 11 May 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Mon, 11 May 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Proposal 2993, due tommorow, has been found to be harfy!  Harf the harf,
> > for it is harfish!
> 
> Great Harfmeister, has anyone done anything worthy of being called "Funky
> and Stylish"?
> 

My advisors have been convened for many moons, discussing just this topic.
They are of the opinion that while many might be funky, and quite a few
stylish, no one has recently done anything that might truly be called
funky and stylish.  It is of course difficult to make such determinations,
with no precedent to guide us.  Larry, Curly, and Groucho are all of the
opinion, however, that it is best to wait for something truly special,
with which to set the standard, than to rush off half-cocked.  I am
inclined to agree.

                               - Harfmeister Vynd

[email-masked]

> -- 
> Duncan C. "" Richer aka
> Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
> Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
> Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer
> 

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:02:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Religion.

I suggest that Odo on the WormHole accept IdiotBoy as a member and approve
of that suggestion.

If Odo is a Church and not a Cult then I just accept IdiotBoy as a memebr.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Mon, 11 May 1998, Matt Miller wrote:

> In case it didn't happen last time, I am applying for membership in the
> Church of Odo on the Wormhole.
> 
> IB
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:04:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : returning from Vacation

I accept K 2's offer.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Mon, 11 May 1998, K2 wrote:

> I offer the capital swinger's office to Niccolo Flychuck
> 
> Uri Bruck wrote:
> 
> > I am returning from Vacation.
> >
> > Niccolo Flychuck
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:20:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: GAD: The Green Round (1)

IS it too late to say that I don't want to play GAD?
I'd like to stopplaying GAD

Niccolo Flychuck

On Mon, 11 May 1998, K2 wrote:

> ...and GAD came to pass and the heavens were filled with the joyous
> sounds of donkey grabbing...
>=20
> For the newer player's GAD's rules are contained in rule 1213. I'll bump
> this over to games in future rounds. 34 players wow.
>=20
> Reply to grab/cover/stopplaying GAD
> Ignore to admire
>=20
> Grabber's take your marks, get set, go.
>=20
> The Green Round's GAL:
>=20
> Alfvaen
> Astro
> Attila the Pun
> Ayla
> breadbox
> Calvin N Hobbes
> Crackfoo
> /dev/joe
> else=85if
> Fortunato
> The Gingham Wearer
> Goldenmean
> H*bert
> Hubert
> IbiotBoy
> Illusion
> J. M. Bear
> Joe Java
> JT
> Karma
> Koxvolio
> Niccolo Flychuck
> Pandora
> Red Barn
> Rex Mundi
> Robert Sevin
> rufus
> saaremaa
> Slakko
> ThinMan
> Tom Kitten
> two-star
> UglyBigNose
> Vynd
>=20
> ------------------------------
>=20

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:23:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : change status to voting

I note that previous to my Vacation I changed my status to non-voting

Now, I change my status to Voting!

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:35:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Foolish Shepherds

On Mon, 11 May 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> However, consider that n=6 for a Foolish Proposal, so p*(n-p) is now
> 8 points.
> 
> Or is the 2 points doubled from Rule 207.3?
> 
> Rule 207.3 states "...all scoring effects from rule 207 related to its
> acceptance or rejection shall be doubled."  Is BAA! voting related to
> the Proposal's acceptance or rejection?  I'd say not, since the scoring
> is the same whether the Proposal is accepted or rejected.  So I believe
> that the Shepherd on P2971(yes, okay, I've forgotten who it is and am
> too lazy to find out right now)got 8 points.  Anyone who thinks
> differently is welcome to CFJ it.  (Slakko?  :-)

I heartily endorse this event or product.
No, wait.

Yeah, I'm happy with this interpretation - it seems perfectly reasonable.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:52:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (Orgs) - ODO

Thank you K2. This is very helpful!

I suggest the Cult of Odo onthe Worm Hole take the following
Action : convert to a Church.

I approve of this action.

I ask the member of Odo to approve of this action so that the Church of
Odo on the Worm Hole could return to its former glory once again.

Niccolo Flychuck
Founder of Odo on the Worm Hole

On Mon, 11 May 1998, K2 wrote:

> IdiotBoy became a member of odo on 19 Apr 1998 04:03:37 when 2/3 of the
> active/non-vactioning members approved.
> H*bert (then Wild Card) failed to became a member when only 1/3 of all
> active/non-vactioning members approved.
> 
> This brought the population of Odo up to four (IB,NF,Sla,GF), however,
> it
> will require an org action to convert to a church.
> 
> Suggestions on the table for odo:
> H*bert's admmitance
> NF approved

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:57:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (Orgs)

On Mon, 11 May 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Mon, 11 May 1998, Matt Miller wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 11 May 1998, K2 wrote:
> > 
> > > This brought the population of Odo up to four (IB,NF,Sla,GF), however,
> > > it
> > > will require an org action to convert to a church.
> > Me suggest!
> 
> I would like to lend my support to the suggestion voiced by my learned
> colleague.

Now I'm not sure whether I suggested or approved this.
Well. I approve of the above suggestion.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:27:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: (Robert Sevin) (Odo)

At last a public message ;)

If Slakko, IdiotBoy, Robert Sevin approve this then H*bert can be inducted by
NF as a founder's action - I beleive eir previous attempts at org actions and
approval failed 'cause they were done on research - my fault for posting to
reaserch? :/

'course like Vynd I beleive the postal code is an attampt to take over world
;)

K 2

Uri Bruck wrote:

> Thank you K2. This is very helpful!
>
> I suggest the Cult of Odo onthe Worm Hole take the following
> Action : convert to a Church.
>
> I approve of this action.
>
> I ask the member of Odo to approve of this action so that the Church of
> Odo on the Worm Hole could return to its former glory once again.
>
> Niccolo Flychuck
> Founder of Odo on the Worm Hole

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:27:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: GBS

Tom Walmsley wrote:

> > I am starting an auction on the Pulse Laser just completed by me,
> > minimum bid A$0
>
> I bid A$5.
>
> > I hope that's everything that falls under my jurisdiction :/
> > I wonder if anyone's decomposed lately ?
>
> Out of interest, do you have a version of the player entity page up yet?
>
> TGW.

I bid A$6

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:27:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: EBS auction

I bid A$25

John Bollinger wrote:

> My latest creation, a brand new Evil Ballot Stuffer, is complete!
> I am putting it up for auction, minimum bid A$ 25.
>
> ThinMan
> Wizard

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:27:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Cheese

Alfvaen wrote:

> I'm not sure right now about Edams--if /dev/joe is Inventor, then I think
> e obtained one then(with Senator, Vulcan Swinger, AckaPhysicist,
> Justice, and Inventor--Wizard didn't count because it was Capital).
> And K 2 got one upon adding Financier and Undead-Harfer to Caped Crusader,
> Treasure-Harfer, Org-Harfer

and Archaelogist.

K 2

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:29:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: GBS

Tom Walmsley wrote:

> > I am starting an auction on the Pulse Laser just completed by me,
> > minimum bid A$0
>
> I bid A$5.
>
> > I hope that's everything that falls under my jurisdiction :/
> > I wonder if anyone's decomposed lately ?
>
> Out of interest, do you have a version of the player entity page up yet?
>
> TGW.

I bid A$6

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:29:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Cheese

Alfvaen wrote:

> I'm not sure right now about Edams--if /dev/joe is Inventor, then I think
> e obtained one then(with Senator, Vulcan Swinger, AckaPhysicist,
> Justice, and Inventor--Wizard didn't count because it was Capital).
> And K 2 got one upon adding Financier and Undead-Harfer to Caped Crusader,
> Treasure-Harfer, Org-Harfer

and Archaelogist.

K 2

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:29:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: (Robert Sevin) (Odo)

At last a public message ;)

If Slakko, IdiotBoy, Robert Sevin approve this then H*bert can be
inducted by
NF as a founder's action - I beleive eir previous attempts at org
actions and
approval failed 'cause they were done on research - my fault for posting
to
reaserch? :/

'course like Vynd I beleive the postal code is an attampt to take over
world
;)

K 2

Uri Bruck wrote:

> Thank you K2. This is very helpful!
>
> I suggest the Cult of Odo onthe Worm Hole take the following
> Action : convert to a Church.
>
> I approve of this action.
>
> I ask the member of Odo to approve of this action so that the Church of
> Odo on the Worm Hole could return to its former glory once again.
>
> Niccolo Flychuck
> Founder of Odo on the Worm Hole

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:29:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: EBS auction

I bid A$25

John Bollinger wrote:

> My latest creation, a brand new Evil Ballot Stuffer, is complete!
> I am putting it up for auction, minimum bid A$ 25.
>
> ThinMan
> Wizard

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:34:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Acka: Metamorph

I don't want to join HARF. This has nothing to do with the fact that it's ages
since I submitted my request to join them and only Koxvolio even acknowledged
it.

No, it is not that, it is the fact that all along I really wanted to join
Metamorph.

So, I hereby express my burning, passionate desire to become a member of
Metamorph.

Pandora

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:51:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Acka: CFJ CC Slight return

I posted a CFJ to COTC, TGW (aren't acronyms *great*?) but since it concerned
him, I thought I'd CC it to the list, just in case he 'forgot' to process it.

Unfortunately, in my imbecility, I sent it to [email-masked] (spot
the deliberate mistake).

doh!

Anyway, I shan't bother to post the CFJ to the list again, since I'm sure TGW
is an upstanding and righteous Clerk.

Pandora

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:33:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Acka: Phoebe's Wisdom

The other day while I was going about my business I chanced upon a small red
and blue matchbox, looking somewhat battered. Being a curious soul, I picked it
up and looked at it. Nothing remarkable about the outside, so I opened it and
out popped a tiny metal object.

"What's this?" I wondered.

"What do you mean 'What's this?'?" the object replied. 

I then realised that in fact this was none other than the infamous Phoebe, the
Steel Flea.

"I beg your pardon," I said, "but I'm new round these parts."

"I didn't think I'd seen you before," she observed.

"So, what happens now?" I asked.

"Well, I tell you my wisdom, and you post it to the list, so that everyone can
share in it. You even get a few points for doing so."

"Sounds good to me -- I could do with a few points. Perhaps your wisdom could
take the form of some kind of advice on how to acquire points more quickly,
maybe even get a Cycle win," I suggested.

"Don't be so crass," she snapped. "Go away and read the sodding rules, you
tiresome creature. Everything you need to know can be found within. There are
also plenty of other documents available to help you, if you can be bothered to
take some time to read them. You can't expect to be as successful as the likes
of Alfvaen and Slakko overnight, you know. Or do you want me to play the game
for you?"

"Well..." I started to reply, not immediately picking up the rhetorical nature
of her question, nor realising that in fact this was her Wisdom (well, it
sounded pretty wise to me).

"Hmph!"

And on that note (a kind of *ping*ing sound), she disappeared in a huff.

Pandora

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:56:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Re: Acka: EBS auction

>I bid A$25

I bid A$ 31 for the EBS

Pandora

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:11:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (Robert Sevin) (Odo)

Sigh, just in case.

On Tue, 12 May 1998, K2 wrote:

> > I suggest the Cult of Odo onthe Worm Hole take the following
> > Action : convert to a Church.
> >
> > I approve of this action.

I approve of this.

I also approve of the induction of H*bert, if I haven't already.

IB
(I'll be sending these messages again in a couple hours, just in case)

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:24:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: GBS

On Tue, 12 May 1998, K2 wrote:

> Tom Walmsley wrote:
> 
> > > I am starting an auction on the Pulse Laser just completed by me,
> > > minimum bid A$0
> >
> > I bid A$5.
> >
> 
> I bid A$6
> 

I bid A$15 on the Pulse Laser.

                                 - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:29:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: GBS

John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:

> On Tue, 12 May 1998, K2 wrote:
>
> > Tom Walmsley wrote:
> >
> > > > I am starting an auction on the Pulse Laser just completed by me,
> > > > minimum bid A$0
> > >
> > > I bid A$5.
> > >
> >
> > I bid A$6
> >
>
> I bid A$15 on the Pulse Laser.

I bid A$ 17

>
>
>                                  - Vynd
>
> [email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:45:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Re: Acka: GBS

>I bid A$ 17

I bid A$20 for the Pulse Laser

Pandora

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:00:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fin: AR-F (2)

> I would like to insist upon an election being held for this office.
> Thank you.

Reply to nominate yourself.

TGW, Count Tabula.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:10:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Acka: Baa? Bah!

I've just had a look at the pointlogs for the current cycle and have noticed
that I have lost points on several occasions by voting baa. All I can say is
Slakko, I hope you are ashamed of yourself, formulating proposals leading
people to believe they might gain points, when in fact they end up losing them.
Here's poor me, not got a clue in the world what is going on, rules changing
left, right and centre before I even got a chance to know what the old rule
was, and all the time my points are being drained away. How can this be fair?
It can't, that's the answer. The only solution is to give me back those points
cruelly prised away from me when I was too busy reading up on other rules to
notice what was going on. I refer in particular to the 1 point deducted for my
Baa! vote on P2957, the five (yes, five!) points deducted for my Baa! vote on
P2970, and the 1 point lost for my Baa! vote on P2977.

Any other points I may have lost in this way I demand be restored to me
instantly.

Please.

Thank you.

Pandora

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:45:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: (Robert Sevin) (Odo)

At 06:29 AM 5/12/98 -0400, you wrote:
>At last a public message ;)
>
>If Slakko, IdiotBoy, Robert Sevin approve this then H*bert can be
>inducted by
>NF as a founder's action - I beleive eir previous attempts at org
>actions and
>approval failed 'cause they were done on research - my fault for posting
>to
>reaserch? :/

I approve of this.

Robert Sevin

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:07:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Treasure

I create a trinket value A$75 called "That Quick Brown Fox" with the
description: "It is a model of a fox leaping over several lazy looking dogs."

I then bury That Quick Brown Fox as a treasure.

The map to this is something along the following lines:

- -----

This treasure will be found when TGW says that it has been. It should be
found with respect to the creation of a minimalist sequential pangram; that
it is a sentence containing all the letters of the alphabet in order whilst
being as short as possible.

- -----

I haven't decided exactly when it will be found but if you find any decent
ones then send them to me. All words used must be proper words and it must
make grammatical sense, even if it is totally ridiculous. To give you a rough
aim of what to go for, I'd say anything below 45 letters is a good start, but
with a bit of fine tuning you should be able to go below 40.

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:04:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Acka: Vacation

I am going on exam-induced Vacation.  I expect to return next Tuesday.

I decline any CFJs for which it is legal for me to do so.

AtP

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:11:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 583 (TRUE)

Attila the Pun has judged this TRUE.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 583- May 03, 1998
Subject: Nyarlathotep
Initiator: H*bert (sent May 03, 1998, 17:25)
Judge: IdiotBoy (selected May 04, 1998, 11:07) (declined)
Second Judge: Atilla the Pun (selected May 06, 1998, 16:22)
Judgement: TRUE

Statement:
 At least one instance of the word "Nyarlathotep" in Rule 594.23/0
(Blueprint: Nyarlathotep) other than the one in the scentence "There
exists an optional Functional Office of Nyarlathotep." refers to either
the functional office or the holder of it.

Initiator's  Reasoning:
 The blueprint states that: "Nyarlathotep is called granting Sanctuary of
Salvation."  This must either apply to the Monster or the Office.  However
if the office is known as Nyarlathotep then there may not _be_ a monster. 
In which case the scentence "If ever a player owns Nyarlathotep then e
will achieve a winning condition. " must refer to the Office.

Judge's Reasoning:
As it is specified that a Frankenstein Monster "has it's [sic] own name",
it seems reasonable to assume that FM's are indeed named entities, and
that the name of Frankenstein Monster Nyarlathotep is indeed Nyarlathotep.
The same sort of reasoning holds for the Functional Office of Nyarlathotep.
Therefore, two named entities existed with the same name upon the creation
of the FM monster.  According to " ", this may not happen.  Now, the
provision within the rule--making any action which would select an illegal
name for an object not happen--does not apply in this case; the name
Nyarlathotep is selected at a time at which it is legal to do so.  However,
the rule causing Nyarlathotep to exist is, depending on one's reading,
either the Gadget rule or the Frankenstein Monster rule, both of which are
in the 500's, while " ", which forbids its existence, is in the 300's.
Neither rule explicitly takes precedence over or defers to the other;
therefore " " takes precedence and prevents Nyarlathotep from being created.
Since nothing else exists to which "Nyarlathotep" might possibly refer, it
follows that it refers to the Office; therefore, this CFJ is TRUE.

I will note that, despite this, the sentence mentioned in the initiator's
reasoning does not cause anybody to recieve a winning condition; the Office
of Nyarlathotep is unowned.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:37:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 583 (TRUE)

On Tue, 12 May 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> I will note that, despite this, the sentence mentioned in the initiator's
> reasoning does not cause anybody to recieve a winning condition; the Office
> of Nyarlathotep is unowned.
> 
 Ah, but I own myself... :-)

 H*bert.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:40:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 583 (TRUE)

On Tue, 12 May 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> I will note that, despite this, the sentence mentioned in the initiator's
> reasoning does not cause anybody to recieve a winning condition; the Office
> of Nyarlathotep is unowned.

Not to mention that the Blueprint states explicitly that the possessor of
Nyarlathotep may never win a Cycle.  (If you own it, H*bert, you possess
it also.  Can't have the cake and eat it too.)  So H*bert can't win, even
if e has a score five times the Magic Number, seven cheeses, fifteen true
Agenda Hats, and twenty-seven Nyarlathoteps.  

Until e steps down, of course.

Speaking of which, I am kissing H*bert.  Just thought y'all should know.

- -Hubert

So many pedestrians, so little time. 

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:51:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 583 (TRUE)

On Tue, 12 May 1998, Eric Plumb wrote:

> On Tue, 12 May 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
> 
> > I will note that, despite this, the sentence mentioned in the initiator's
> > reasoning does not cause anybody to recieve a winning condition; the Office
> > of Nyarlathotep is unowned.
> 
> Not to mention that the Blueprint states explicitly that the possessor of
> Nyarlathotep may never win a Cycle.  (If you own it, H*bert, you possess
> it also.  Can't have the cake and eat it too.)  So H*bert can't win, even
> if e has a score five times the Magic Number, seven cheeses, fifteen true
> Agenda Hats, and twenty-seven Nyarlathoteps.  

 Ah, but the bit saying that I get a winning condition is later...
 
> Until e steps down, of course.
> 
> Speaking of which, I am kissing H*bert.  Just thought y'all should know.
> 
 I go running around the outside of the Library.
 I go running up the tower of Bandwidth.
 I go running up and down the town hall steps.

 I return home.

 I leave home - to go to an unspecified location that is not home.  :-)

 H*bert.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:09:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Hall <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Potato

Alfvaen:

> Current Album--Luna:Pup Tent

Is this any good?

saaremaa
trying not to change the game state

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:55:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 583 (TRUE)

On Tue, 12 May 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

> > Not to mention that the Blueprint states explicitly that the possessor of
> > Nyarlathotep may never win a Cycle.  (If you own it, H*bert, you possess
> > it also.  Can't have the cake and eat it too.)  So H*bert can't win, even
> > if e has a score five times the Magic Number, seven cheeses, fifteen true
> > Agenda Hats, and twenty-seven Nyarlathoteps.  
> 
>  Ah, but the bit saying that I get a winning condition is later...

Ah, but gaining Winning Conditions and winning cycles are two vastly
different things, as many Goose owners have found to their dismay.  Of
course, given the most recent amendment to R600, I think your argument
might be valid but for one small point: you don't exist anymore.  Not
since the passage of Proposal 2994, at least.  Nice knowing you...

- -Hubert

So many pedestrians, so little time. 

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:59:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 583 (TRUE)

On Tue, 12 May 1998, Eric Plumb wrote:

> On Tue, 12 May 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> 
> > > Not to mention that the Blueprint states explicitly that the possessor of
> > > Nyarlathotep may never win a Cycle.  (If you own it, H*bert, you possess
> > > it also.  Can't have the cake and eat it too.)  So H*bert can't win, even
> > > if e has a score five times the Magic Number, seven cheeses, fifteen true
> > > Agenda Hats, and twenty-seven Nyarlathoteps.  
> > 
> >  Ah, but the bit saying that I get a winning condition is later...
> 
> Ah, but gaining Winning Conditions and winning cycles are two vastly
> different things, as many Goose owners have found to their dismay.  Of
> course, given the most recent amendment to R600, I think your argument
> might be valid but for one small point: you don't exist anymore.  Not
> since the passage of Proposal 2994, at least.  Nice knowing you...
> 
 That could cause some problems...

 H*bert.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:09:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kelly Kelly <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Bidding Blind

I Bid A$ 100 on the EBS (created by the wiz?)
I Bid A$ 100 on the Pulse Laser (created by me)

K 2
Wondering if e just out bid em self

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:52:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Plumb <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Take 2

I suggest the Razor Boomerangs take possession of the Little Lamb.

Since Goldenmean and Joe Java have their votes proxied, only JT must
approve.  Quick, don't get me-ed.

- -Hubert

So many pedestrians, so little time. 

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:53:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Little Lamb

I approve of Hubert's suggestion that the Razor Boomerangs take possession
of the Little Lamb.

I then spend A$ 10 and take possession of the little Lamb (which oddly
enough is still legal)

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:56:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Take 2

On Tue, 12 May 1998, Eric Plumb wrote:

> 
> I suggest the Razor Boomerangs take possession of the Little Lamb.
> 
 I take possesion of the Little Lamb.

 H*bert.

 **grin**

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:56:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Little Lamb

On Tue, 12 May 1998, JT Traub wrote:

> I approve of Hubert's suggestion that the Razor Boomerangs take possession
> of the Little Lamb.
> 
> I then spend A$ 10 and take possession of the little Lamb (which oddly
> enough is still legal)
> 
 Da**.  Huberted!

 H*bert.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:57:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Little Lamb

On Tue, 12 May 1998, JT Traub wrote:

>I approve of Hubert's suggestion that the Razor Boomerangs take possession
>of the Little Lamb.
>
>I then spend A$ 10 and take possession of the little Lamb (which oddly
>enough is still legal)

It appears that these both worked, and albeit only momentarily, the RB did
take possession of the Little Lamb, is this correct K2?

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:59:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Take 2

On Tue, 12 May 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:
> I take possesion of the Little Lamb.

HAHAHAHAH!! TOOO LATE! :)

Sorry, I couldn't resist :)

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:33:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bidding Blind and Clockless?

On Tue, 12 May 1998, Kelly Kelly wrote:

> I Bid A$ 100 on the EBS (created by the wiz?)
> I Bid A$ 100 on the Pulse Laser (created by me)
> 
> K 2

Hmm... I *believe* that the auction for the Pulse Laser had already ended
by the time this bid was submitted. Perhaps I am wrong or being confused
by time zones? Also perhaps Slakko's last bid?

Koxvolio

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:34:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: EBS Auction

> K 2 Bids A$ 100 on the EBS (created by the wiz?)

Koxvolio bids A$110 for the EBS.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:46:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure

> I haven't decided exactly when it will be found but if you find any decent
> ones then send them to me. All words used must be proper words and it must
> make grammatical sense, even if it is totally ridiculous. To give you a rough
> aim of what to go for, I'd say anything below 45 letters is a good start, but
> with a bit of fine tuning you should be able to go below 40.

I suggest that it should also not be one that is readily available.  Find
yourself some good sources so you won't get too many submissions of
things like "Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz".  (Anything that's
turned up in my taglines, for instance, should be right out.)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stevie Nicks:Rock A Little
Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
"Is it a party?"

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:01:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Treasure

/dev/joe has found Treasure 206, consisting of a Rock To Wind A String
Around, an Otzma Card Fix My Gadget, a Magic Radish, and the Puzzle Box.

The Map for this Treasure was:

If on any prime date after the 10th of a qualified month there exists an
Active Cortex besides the Entity Formerly Known as the Supreme Court,
then a random owner of one such Cortex shall find this Treasure.  (April
1998 is a qualified month only if there are two such Cortices; otherwise,
any month from May 1998 onward is qualified.)

And /dev/joe was chosen at random.  (I _was_ hoping that there would be
another Cortex, hence the phrasing of the Map, but I guess two Cortices
aren't getting totally snowed under or anything.)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stevie Nicks:Rock A Little
Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
They laughed when I said I wanted to be a comedian.  They're not laughing now.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:42:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2986 rejected

> Results of Proposal 2986

> 19/26 votes: Quorum achieved
> 8/16 YES votes: Proposal rejected

Ahem.

At the moment of the failure of Proposal 2986, the Brass Monkey climbed
to the top of the tallest building in Acka(determination to be made by
the Map-Harfer)and proclaimed:

"The makers of the Chrome Streak shall be awarded 5 bonus points!"

This was a nice long streak this time(do I see an Otzma Day in the near
future?), 16 Proposals in length.  The following point awards are made:

Alfvaen(2969): +5
JT(2970, 2971, 2979, 2980): +15
Vynd(2972): +5
K 2(2973, 2974, 2975): +15
Slakko(2976): +5
J. M. Bear(2977): +5
breadbox(2981): +5
Ayla(2982): +5
Attila the Pun(2983, 2984, 2985): +15

Let's hear it for Brass and Chrome!

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stevie Nicks:Rock A Little
Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
This is where we drop off wood. Big truck, big wood. Big posibility for accident

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:42:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Phoebe

UglyBigNose has found Phoebe's matchbox.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stevie Nicks:Rock A Little
Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
Et quand tu ris, je ris aussi...tu aimes tellement la vie

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:42:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Baa? Bah!

> Any other points I may have lost in this way I demand be restored to me
> instantly.

See my previous message(unless these get sent out of order, which is
highly likely), concerning the length of time you've been in the game.
This isn't going to get you Crazy French-Scotsmanhood; more like Crazy
Provencal-Manxmanhood.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Stevie Nicks:Rock A Little
Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
It's a one-time thing; it just happens a lot.

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:53:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Herald

On Mon, 11 May 1998, Towsner wrote:
>	Par fess, base par pale, 1st or, a wheel gules, 2nd azure, a sword
>argent, 3rd sable, a goat vert

Well, I was finally able to find a book on Heraldry (AC Fox-Davies, 'The
Art of Heraldry' which at least told me it was possible to do what you
want even if not the exact blazon, so.. let's see how this sits with you.

Per fess or, a wheel gules, and in base per pale azure, a sword argent
and sable, a goat vert.

(this is probably 'legal', but I dislike it because it breaks the normal
heraldic flow of blazon.

Alterantively we could try
Per fess or and in base per pale azure and sable, upon the first a wheel
gules, upon the second a sword argent, and upon the third a goat vert.

I believe that both of those would give you the same emblazon (ie
picture).  I cannot find (other than the rule that says colors of the
field first) a rule to differentiate between the two.   If the second
works for you, then I will award you that coat of arms upon your
acknowledgement.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:01:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Herald

On Tue, 12 May 1998, JT wrote:

[clipped]

Dammit, did it again because else...if sent it to me over the public list.
I'm sorry folks.. Feel free to call a PHE on me if you feel the need.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:09:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure

> > I haven't decided exactly when it will be found but if you find any decent
> > ones then send them to me. All words used must be proper words and it must
> > make grammatical sense, even if it is totally ridiculous. To give you a
> > rough aim of what to go for, I'd say anything below 45 letters is a good
> > start, but with a bit of fine tuning you should be able to go below 40.
> 
> I suggest that it should also not be one that is readily available.  Find
> yourself some good sources so you won't get too many submissions of
> things like "Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz".  (Anything that's
> turned up in my taglines, for instance, should be right out.)

After doing some work on this myself (enough to get a sub-45-letter one
which is almost grammatical) I checked the rec.puzzles archive, and to
my surprise found a number of generic pangrams (all 26 letters in no
particular order), and some plain old pangrammatic word lists, and some
pangrammatic word lists with the letters in alpha order (these go all
the way down to 30 letters, with some highly questionable words), but
none of what TGW asks for in this contest.

Surely there is a well-known one of these someplace, but hopefully
an original one will win the treasure.

/dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:32:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Herald

> >	Par fess, base par pale, 1st or, a wheel gules, 2nd azure, a sword
> >argent, 3rd sable, a goat vert

> Well, I was finally able to find a book on Heraldry (AC Fox-Davies, 'The
> Art of Heraldry' which at least told me it was possible to do what you
> want even if not the exact blazon, so.. let's see how this sits with you.

Fox-Davies' book is good.

> Per fess or, a wheel gules, and in base per pale azure, a sword argent
> and sable, a goat vert.

> (this is probably 'legal', but I dislike it because it breaks the normal
> heraldic flow of blazon.

> Alterantively we could try
> Per fess or and in base per pale azure and sable, upon the first a wheel
> gules, upon the second a sword argent, and upon the third a goat vert.

> I believe that both of those would give you the same emblazon (ie
> picture).  I cannot find (other than the rule that says colors of the
> field first) a rule to differentiate between the two.   If the second
> works for you, then I will award you that coat of arms upon your
> acknowledgement.

Not being the Herald or anything, I'd go:

Per fess Or and per pale Azure and Sable, in chief a wheel Gules, in
dexter base a sword Argent, and in dexter chief a goat Vert.

I'd also point out that the attitude of the sword can be specified(though
it probably has a default), and Vert on Sable is colour on colour, so your
Proposal may make it illegal.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Alannah Myles:Arival
Current Book--Elizabeth Ann Scarborough:The Healer's War
I was an immortal in a past life.

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