Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #119
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ackanomic digest        Tuesday, April 21 1998        Volume 03 : Number 119

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: ARFR

Here 'tis:

At close yesterday:
Value: 69.19 or 69.24
Positivity: 57.9
Activity: 11.29 or 11.34
# Activies: 3 or 4

At Close today (mon 21/4) (possibly):

Current Value: 69.52 or 69.24
Positivity Value: 57.9
Activity Value: 11.62 or 11.34

Change Today: +1/3 or 0
Change in Positivity: 0
Change in Activity: +1/3 or 0

Activities Today: 4
SHF: 1
Magic Potato: 1
Hearing: 2

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:11:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 573 appeal

>Rule 250
>A player is any person who is registered as a player.
>Players are named, unownable entities.

This would mean that a player (a named, unownable entity) and the RL person
are equivalent one _is_ the other.

>Rule 256
>5) The player ceases to be a player and becomes an Undead.

The player entity changes and becomes an Undead entity, however, since rule
250 states RL person = player, this statement makes the RL person = Undead.

>Rule 258
>There exists the class of named, unownable entities known as the Undead.
>Entities that are owned by Undead cannot be manipulated in any way
>except by an action of the Undead.

The recent public message by the RL person described an action, since that
person is also an undead, it was an action by that undead.

>Rule 500
>An entity may not be created, destroyed, or manipulated except as specified
by the Rules.

>   There's one small point that's been overlooked here. Undead are NOT
>   players. Rule 373 doesn't even begin to apply to them. An undead can
>   no more be controlled by its likeness than your bookmark can read
>   your book for you.

This CFJ is actually trivially false anyway... I never accepted the trade ;)
If it is possible for me to do so I accept Bascule's Vending Machine.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:13:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Phil Ackley <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 573 appeal

At 3:49 PM -0800 4/20/98,in a message entitled "Re: Acka: CFJ 573 appeal",
Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
>>Which reminds me - I don't believe Mr. Lunatic Fringe's recent message
>>to this list had any effect. As I recall, he attempted to join the
>>game, perform an action, and leave the game, all in the same message.
>>However, a player does not become a player until the Registrar has
>>made the necessary announcement, so his action could not have been
>>performed.
>
>I had a look at the Rule for Returning players, and I think that they are
>able to return to the game without Registrar intervention.  Otherwise I
>wouldn't have let it happen either.  ICOCBW.
>
>
>--
>--Alfvaen (Web page:http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/)
>Song In My Head--The Muppets:Mr. Bassman
>Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The Cybernetic Walrus
>Close the Dreamtime door and drive away.

Sorry to butt in here, which is a good trick, really, 'cause I'm not even
subscribed o the list,--spy techonology at work (and that funny punctuation
is called a comash, by the way)-- but I it was my understanding, as a
former registrar, that it is possible for returning players to do exactly
what I did. In fact, during my term, a player or two did exactly that.

Don't know if it helps anyone. Just thought I'd point out that there was a
precedent.

Keep on spyin,
Mr. Lunatic Phil

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:05:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Winter cap

At the time of 'Mon, 20 Apr 1998 04:31:18 -0400 (EDT)', Hubert said in
a message titled 'Acka: Suggestion':

>I suggest that the Razor Boomerangs transfer A$529 to the Order of the
>Razor Boomerang.

The harf is back and I want a winter cap.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:07:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 573 appeal

>> Which reminds me - I don't believe Mr. Lunatic Fringe's recent message
>> to this list had any effect. As I recall, he attempted to join the
>> game, perform an action, and leave the game, all in the same message.
>> However, a player does not become a player until the Registrar has
>> made the necessary announcement, so his action could not have been
>> performed.
> 
> I had a look at the Rule for Returning players, and I think that they are
> able to return to the game without Registrar intervention.  Otherwise I
> wouldn't have let it happen either.  ICOCBW.

YAOCNW (You are, of course, not wrong). My apologies.

breadbox

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:15:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Winter cap

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, JT Traub wrote:

> 
> At the time of 'Mon, 20 Apr 1998 04:31:18 -0400 (EDT)', Hubert said in
> a message titled 'Acka: Suggestion':
> 
> >I suggest that the Razor Boomerangs transfer A$529 to the Order of the
> >Razor Boomerang.
> 
> The harf is back and I want a winter cap.

Indeed the Harf is back, here is your cap! (81 points)

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:30:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Thief in the Night

On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Ian K. wrote:

> Being bold, in the middle of the day (Ackan time) I walk into the museum,
> and look around the exhibits.
> 
> One in particular catches my eye - the shape of a Holy Relic of our
> Church; it is - yes! - an Evil Ballot Stuffer.
> 
> I then Steal the EBS and give it to Slakko.

I accept the EBS from the Church of the EBS if I haven't already done so
but still need
to.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 03:08:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: ARFR

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, K2 wrote:

> Here 'tis:
> 
> At close yesterday:
> Value: 69.19 or 69.24
> Positivity: 57.9
> Activity: 11.29 or 11.34
> # Activies: 3 or 4
> 
> At Close today (mon 21/4) (possibly):
> 
> Current Value: 69.52 or 69.24
> Positivity Value: 57.9
> Activity Value: 11.62 or 11.34
> 
> Change Today: +1/3 or 0
> Change in Positivity: 0
> Change in Activity: +1/3 or 0

This is incorrect.  Given 4 activities the day after a 3 or 4 activity
day, the activity index will either remain steady (3) or fall by 0.2 (4).
Each activity is worth 1/(A+1), where A is the number of activities
yesterday.  Otherwise there would be a big problem after a no activity
day.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 05:58:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Playtest I

Hi all,
I'll start a playtest on acka-games soon:
East Frisian Dam Walking (ODW) [german abbrev.]
At least 4 players and 1 referee needed.
Each player starts with the same score, which is the
lower of 10.000 (ten thousand) and 1000 times the
number of players. (These points are "Frisian points")
Each round, each player sends the referee a number
of Frisian points which must be an integer between 1
and eir current score(inclusive). Otherwise, this number
is assumed to be zero.
The referee then subtracts from each player's score
the number of points that player sent in for this round.
If a single player sent in a number higher than all other
numbers sent in that round, e gets 500 Frisian points.

Then the referee removes players from the game in the
following order:
Step 1: The player(s) with a number assumed to be zero
are removed.
Step 2: The player(s) with the lowest number greater
than zero are removed, unless a player removed in Step
1 had a lower score [that means, even if that player
sent in a valid number, e'd be removed in Step 2] or if
this player is the only one left after Step 1.
Step 3: The player(s) with a score of zero are removed.

If there are no players left after Step 3, the round is replayed,
with the players removed in Step 1 being removed. If this
still leaves no players in the game, the game is ended without
a winner.
If exactly one player is left in the game, e is the winner.
If exactly two players are left in the game, with the same
number of Frisian points, which is lower than 502, the
players choose paper/rock/scissors in the next round.
If they chose the same, another round of paper/rock/
scissors is played. If ever only one player chooses
paper or rock or scissors, the other wins.
If they chose different, one player wins:
The player with paper wins if the other chose rock.
The player with rock wins if the other chose scissors.
The player with scissors wins if the other chose paper.

If anybody can think of a better wording, please tell me.

J. M. Bear

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:28:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: Election

>> Don't try to weasel out on this one, Mr. President.  You know what you
>> promised, and I'm here to collect.  Don't think that just because you're
>> President and I'm just a lowly Justice, Gaoler, former Senator, ex-Financier,
>> and once-acting Speaker that you can trod all over me!  I crossed party lines
>> to vote for you, rejecting another former President whom I a certain would
>> have promptly fulfilled every single one of _his_ campaign promises.  Hear
>> that rumbling sound?  It's Elder Mr. Lunatic Fringe turning over in his grave!
>
>Which grave?  I thought e was a player now, or at least should be if the
>Registrar gets eir act together.

He was still there when I wrote it, and is probably still there now.

>And I'll see your
>Justice, Gaoler, ex-Senator, ex-Financier, and ex-acting-Speaker
>with
>President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer, ex-acting-Clerk
>of the Court, ex-acting-Ambassador, ex-acting-Chief-of-the-Ackan-Reserve,
>ex-Acting Illuminatus, and ex-Senator.  Not to mention ex-hausted.
>:-)

Stop dodging, I'm trying to draw a bead.

>Tell me the exact name, correctly spelt, of the player who you want me to
>force to give the money to you, and I'll do it. :-)

And why should I believe that, when you're already trying to renege?  Is
weaseling out on your promise not enough?  Do you now have to stoop to trying
to trick me out of my hardly earned treasure?

>> P.S. You're not a walking talking dictionary, are you?  TM
>Last time I checked, Collins wasn't written on my spine, no.

Just checking.  :-)

ThinMan

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:31:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Grassy Knoll

I create a trinket, value A$ 10, named "The Grassy Knoll."  It is, well, a
grassy knoll.   It is rumored to be particularly well-suited as a locale for
taking target practice, particularly at convertibles.

ThinMan

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:34:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka:  Mr. Lunatic Fringe.

H*bert wrote:
>Are you trying to get me into... an _argument_?
>
>> ThinMan
>> "Skip a bit, Brother."
>
>-H*bert
>"Oh, I've had enough of this."
>"No, you haven't."

This isn't an argument.

ThinMan
:-)

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:47:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka:  Mr. Lunatic Fringe.

>from memory:
>
>king arthur: can you help us find the Grail?
>tim: yes
>all: thank you!
>tim: To the north there lies a cave.  the cave of king garbleygook,
[something like this] ---------------------------> Kyle Banogh

>wherein carved in magic runes upon the living rock, the last words of
>someone or other of someplace and something proclaim the last resting
[I'm not even going to try to spell this one, although I could say it for you]]

>place of the Holy Grail.
             ^
             |__ most

>Arthur:  Where can we find this cave, O lord Tim?
>Tim: Follow! But follow only if ye be men of valor, for the entrance to
>this cave is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no man yet has
>faught with it and lived! Bones of men lie strewn about its lair. So Brave
>Knights, if you do doubt your courage or your strenght, come no further,
>for death awaits wit nasty big pointy teeth.
                 ^
                 |__ you all

Okay, I'm willing to call it even.  You got a few details that I usually
miss.

ThinMan
"I soiled my armor, I was so scared."

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:51:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re:  Acka: Secret Lab creation

>I suggest that the Order of the Razor Boomerang build a Secret Lab.
>
>Since Church Policy requires that all members approve of any
>organizational action suggested by the Founder, and since R1005 does
>not require public approval of actions, this happens instantaneously.

Not so fast, H ole buddy.  It is possible to commit Iconoclasm by inaction,
so it cannot be assumed that the other Church members approve.

ThinMan

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:18:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:  Acka: Secret Lab creation

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, John Bollinger wrote:

> >I suggest that the Order of the Razor Boomerang build a Secret Lab.
> >
> >Since Church Policy requires that all members approve of any
> >organizational action suggested by the Founder, and since R1005 does
> >not require public approval of actions, this happens instantaneously.
> 
> Not so fast, H ole buddy.  It is possible to commit Iconoclasm by inaction,
> so it cannot be assumed that the other Church members approve.

They don't have to be public approval, so you don't know they haven't
already approved it.

rufus

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:28:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re:  Acka: Secret Lab creation

ThinMan wrote:
>>I suggest that the Order of the Razor Boomerang build a Secret Lab.
>>
>>Since Church Policy requires that all members approve of any
>>organizational action suggested by the Founder, and since R1005 does
>>not require public approval of actions, this happens instantaneously.
>
>Not so fast, H ole buddy.  It is possible to commit Iconoclasm by inaction,
>so it cannot be assumed that the other Church members approve.

Hehe.. I approve of building the Lab like the faithful Priest that I am.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:41:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re:  Acka: Secret Lab creation

rufus wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, John Bollinger wrote:
>
>> >I suggest that the Order of the Razor Boomerang build a Secret Lab.
>> >
>> >Since Church Policy requires that all members approve of any
>> >organizational action suggested by the Founder, and since R1005 does
>> >not require public approval of actions, this happens instantaneously.
>> 
>> Not so fast, H ole buddy.  It is possible to commit Iconoclasm by inaction,
>> so it cannot be assumed that the other Church members approve.
>
>They don't have to be public approval, so you don't know they haven't
>already approved it.

As far as I can tell, the rules don't make specific provision for how the
action of accepting a suggestion of an organizational action is to be
performed.  It defaults, therefore, to a public action.  Moreover, even if
the approval could occur privately -- and what a nightmare that would be --
it is certain that the approval was not simultaneous with the suggestion.

ThinMan

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:45:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Winter Cap Please...

"Acka: Proposal 2882 accepted", posted Tue, 21 Apr 1998 04:29:03 -0400

"The Harf is back and I want a winter cap."

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:36:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: no longer a new player.

Whee! finally no longer a new player :) (at least by the 3 week rule :)
I just wanted to say a public thanks to CnH, Alfvaen, Slakko and Hubert
for answering questions and giving me advice and such, and to everyone
else who was friendly and helpful as well.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:31:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Acka: Shelter

The blueprint for the Gimme Shelter (R594.12) appears to be truncated on
breadbox' site.  The last sentence seems to make the thing rather useless.
Was this a real result of the CRD listed in the change history, or has there
been a cut & paste error?

ThinMan

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:49:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (L'homme a tete de choux)
Subject: Re: Acka: The Burning Mountain

>In a shocking message three days ago, the being who was destined to later
>become the putative winner of the current Cycle stated, when asked about
>the shape of the elusive and indescribably amorphous banna, that it was
>earth-shaped.  The populace of Acka, with little dissidence, recognized
>this comment for the heresy it was.  Voting on the issue was as follows:

Can the verdict of a witch hunt be challenged? I don't believe that a heresy
was committed -- e said the banna was earth-shaped, which if anything suggests
that the banna is flat. This is corroborated by the fact that the jukebox has a
banner-shaped slot. Slots are flat. That is what makes them slots rather than
holes. So, I conclude from this information that in order to go in the slot,
the banna must be flat, hence it is true to say it is earth-shaped.

I don't know what the fuss is about.

The earth is banna-shaped.

How about *that* for controversial?

Pandora

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:53:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Burning Mountain

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, L'homme a tete de choux wrote:

> >In a shocking message three days ago, the being who was destined to later
> >become the putative winner of the current Cycle stated, when asked about
> >the shape of the elusive and indescribably amorphous banna, that it was
> >earth-shaped.  The populace of Acka, with little dissidence, recognized
> >this comment for the heresy it was.  Voting on the issue was as follows:
> 
> Can the verdict of a witch hunt be challenged? I don't believe that a heresy
> was committed -- e said the banna was earth-shaped, which if anything suggests
> that the banna is flat. This is corroborated by the fact that the jukebox has a
> banner-shaped slot. Slots are flat. That is what makes them slots rather than
> holes. So, I conclude from this information that in order to go in the slot,
> the banna must be flat, hence it is true to say it is earth-shaped.
> 
> I don't know what the fuss is about.
> 
> The earth is banna-shaped.
> 
> How about *that* for controversial?

Join us you will.  Start order mixing word Yoda to sound up like.

Mind you, I think there could be a CFJ on this issue.  I'll run one up
now.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:54:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Raquel Peres da Silva" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Secret Lab creation

> >> >I suggest that the Order of the Razor Boomerang build a Secret Lab.
> >> >
> >> >Since Church Policy requires that all members approve of any
> >> >organizational action suggested by the Founder, and since R1005 does
> >> >not require public approval of actions, this happens instantaneously.
> >> 
> >> Not so fast, H ole buddy.  It is possible to commit Iconoclasm by
inaction,
> >> so it cannot be assumed that the other Church members approve.
> >
> >They don't have to be public approval, so you don't know they haven't
> >already approved it.
> 
> As far as I can tell, the rules don't make specific provision for how the
> action of accepting a suggestion of an organizational action is to be
> performed.  It defaults, therefore, to a public action.  Moreover, even
if
> the approval could occur privately -- and what a nightmare that would be
- --
> it is certain that the approval was not simultaneous with the suggestion.

While you guys can't decide whether we must accept Hubert's suggestion as a
public action or not, I publicly declare that I do accept his suggestion of
creating a Secret Lab.

Ayla
Priestess of the Order of the Razor Boomerangs
Member of the Church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:54:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Raquel Peres da Silva" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Church of the EBS

I declare my purpose of acquiring an EBS as soon as possible, and use it
for the good of the Church of the EBS.

I also give A$200 to the Church of EBS.

Ayla
Priestess of the Order of the Razor Boomerangs
Member of the Church of the Evil Ballot Stuffer

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:08:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Bury

> I now bury this Trinket with the following map:
> 
> It's time once again for...Fantasy Billboard!  Or the Billboard Challenge,
> as it is now known.  It's up at http://challenge.billboard.com/ right now.
> For those who might not be familiar with it, in a nutshell, you pick ten
> albums, and get points depending on their performance on the Billboard
> charts over the next four weeks.  And you can submit a new set every week.
> Complete rules are at the web site above, or I can email a copy to anyone
> who's interested.
> 
> So if you want to participate in this, then you need to let me know
> what the name of your record label is(once you've joined the game
> online).  This time, for my own convenience, I'd like them to have
> the string "Acka" in them, so I can search for them all at once.  Those
> who still have labels left over from last round can use those again,
> but should still let me know.  And you can only have one each; if you
> have more than one, then let me know which one is competing, and if
> you have more than one with that name then none are eligible.
> 
> The Treasure shall be found by the first such label which finishes, after
> four weeks, in the Top 50, or the highest-ranked among them if there's more
> than one.
> 
> In the event that this online contest should disappear, then the winner
> of the first game started by Alfvaen after this occurs that has a clear
> winner shall find the Treasure instead.

You do realise of course that this treasure is grossly unfair on me else...if
and Attila the Pun. To enter the competition you need to be 18 years old.

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:16:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Burning Mountain

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, L'homme a tete de choux wrote:

> Can the verdict of a witch hunt be challenged? I don't believe that a
heresy
> was committed -- e said the banna was earth-shaped, which if anything suggests
> that the banna is flat. This is corroborated by the fact that the jukebox has a

As someone pointed out the last time (or maybe the time before that?) it
was attempted to burn me as a witch, witchhunts are not about reason. 
they are about mob violernce.  also:  banna is not flat.  banna is banna. 
Join us, become enlightened and ye shall know banna. 

> banner-shaped slot. Slots are flat. That is what makes them slots rather than

Slots are banna shaped.  If the rules don't say that, they should.  

rufus,
Founder of the Church of banna
Always accepting converts to bannaism.  Join now, and Slakko will give you
two-fifty!

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:08:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Inventor election: AGAIN!

In the event that it was necessary, the following have nominated themselves
for inventor:

K 2
Koxvolio
Slakko
/dev/joe
TGW

Reply to vote.

TGW, confused Count Tabula.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:46:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Auction results

My otzma auctions are now over. The foul fowl card went to Rex Mundi for A$70
and I think that Wild Card got the skeleton key for A$15 although I'm not
sure.

At last. Some money!

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:50:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Church of the EBS

> I declare my purpose of acquiring an EBS as soon as possible, and use it
> for the good of the Church of the EBS.
> 
> I also give A$200 to the Church of EBS.

O Ye Faithful, and Ye As-Yet Unfaithful, Take Note! With members such is
This, then shall it be certain that The Great Evil Ballot Stuffer shall
become the Supreme Entity. We accept the tithe from Ayla, with much
Gratitude.

Koxvolio

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:50:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joel Ricker" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 572 (Joe Java)

I'm going to have to decline as well.  I've been kind of passive in 
Acka the last week and also I don't feel I've been in the game long 
enough to rule on a Win CFJ.

- -- Joe Java

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

     Joel Ricker [] [email-masked] [] ICQ# 6244364
       Check out the link below for the conclusion of ImpNom28
         http://www.Geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arena/1047/

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:02:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 572 (Joe Java)

> I'm going to have to decline as well.  I've been kind of passive in 
> Acka the last week and also I don't feel I've been in the game long 
> enough to rule on a Win CFJ.

I'm not sure you can. It was 72 hours and 14 minutes between when I received
my message selecting you as a judge and this message declining. You only have
three days to decline judgement, folks. I'm not sure whether this means 72
hours or until the end of the day three days after the selection. I'm sure
Alfvaen or someone will tell us. :-)

TGW, CotC.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:18:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Election

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, John Bollinger wrote:

> 
> >Tell me the exact name, correctly spelt, of the player who you want me to
> >force to give the money to you, and I'll do it. :-)
> 
> And why should I believe that, when you're already trying to renege?  Is
> weaseling out on your promise not enough?  Do you now have to stoop to trying
> to trick me out of my hardly earned treasure?

Simple, you want Hubert to give you the 100 dollars (and yes, I've made
sure e can - I hope e will), say you want Hubert to give you the Hundred
Dollars.  And say Hubert properly, especially now that we have H*bert.

Yours,
Slakko

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:20:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Winter Cap Please...

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

> "Acka: Proposal 2882 accepted", posted Tue, 21 Apr 1998 04:29:03 -0400
> 
> "The Harf is back and I want a winter cap."

Indeed the Harf is back, here is your cap!
Sorry Alfvaen, you'll have to work the points out here.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:22:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Election

> > >Tell me the exact name, correctly spelt, of the player who you want me to
> > >force to give the money to you, and I'll do it. :-)
> > 
> > And why should I believe that, when you're already trying to renege?  Is
> > weaseling out on your promise not enough?  Do you now have to stoop to trying
> > to trick me out of my hardly earned treasure?
> 
> Simple, you want H-bert to give you the 100 dollars (and yes, I've made
> sure e can - I hope e will), say you want H-bert to give you the Hundred
> Dollars.  And say Hubert properly, especially now that we have H*bert.
> 
  Or alternativly ask him to make me give it to you.

 H*bert.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:23:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Election

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

> > Simple, you want H-bert to give you the 100 dollars (and yes, I've made
> > sure e can - I hope e will), say you want H-bert to give you the Hundred
> > Dollars.  And say Hubert properly, especially now that we have H*bert.
> > 
>   Or alternativly ask him to make me give it to you.
> 
>  H*bert.

Is H-bert H*bert or Hubert?

Yours,
Sl*kk*
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:26:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Election

> Simple, you want Hubert to give you the 100 dollars (and yes, I've made
> sure e can - I hope e will), say you want Hubert to give you the Hundred
> Dollars.  And say Hubert properly, especially now that we have H*bert.

Except of course that we don't have h*bert yet because the registrar hasn't
acked it. Besides, what's wrong with *ubert?

TGW, who has said Hubert many times already.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:28:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 572 (Joe Java)

TGW wrote:

>> I'm going to have to decline as well.  I've been kind of passive in 
>> Acka the last week and also I don't feel I've been in the game long 
>> enough to rule on a Win CFJ.
>
>I'm not sure you can. It was 72 hours and 14 minutes between when I received
>my message selecting you as a judge and this message declining. You only have
>three days to decline judgement, folks. I'm not sure whether this means 72
>hours or until the end of the day three days after the selection. I'm sure
>Alfvaen or someone will tell us. :-)

I would say that custom has 3 days = 72 hours, thus the decline is too late.

An UNDECIDED ruling will send this to the Supreme Court, I believe, but that
is definately a non-ideal situation.  I encourage the judge to take their
best stab at it.

If there is anyone else out there who feels unprepared to judge CFJs then I
urge them to place themselves on the CFJ ineligibility list -- all it takes
is a public message to that effect, and it can be reversed any time.  Most
of all, it saves everyone time, effort, and misunderstandings.

ThinMan

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:34:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 572 (Joe Java)

> I would say that custom has 3 days = 72 hours, thus the decline is too
late.

I would have thought as much but wasn't sure.

> An UNDECIDED ruling will send this to the Supreme Court, I believe, but
that
> is definately a non-ideal situation.  I encourage the judge to take their
> best stab at it.

Absolutely. It never hurts to try, and I'm sure that the court would go easy
on you and only penalise you a single point for an incorrect verdict if they
did overturn it.

> If there is anyone else out there who feels unprepared to judge CFJs then I
> urge them to place themselves on the CFJ ineligibility list -- all it takes
> is a public message to that effect, and it can be reversed any time.  Most
> of all, it saves everyone time, effort, and misunderstandings.

I concur. Especially in this instance. Joe Java sent me a private message
declining and I replied saying e had to do it publicly but e did so just a
bit too late. Actually, that gives me an idea for a proposal (e's not the
first to do this since Malenkai's reforms...).

TGW, CotC.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:36:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction results

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> My otzma auctions are now over. The foul fowl card went to Rex Mundi for A$70
> and I think that Wild Card got the skeleton key for A$15 although I'm not
> sure.

Koxvolio bid A$30 on it.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:38:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Auction results

> > My otzma auctions are now over. The foul fowl card went to Rex Mundi for
A$70
> > and I think that Wild Card got the skeleton key for A$15 although I'm not
> > sure.
> 
> Koxvolio bid A$30 on it.

Did e? I couldn't find any higher bids, but then I didn't look particularly
hard. I need the money anyhow.

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:39:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 572 (Joe Java)

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> I concur. Especially in this instance. Joe Java sent me a private message
> declining and I replied saying e had to do it publicly but e did so just a
> bit too late. Actually, that gives me an idea for a proposal (e's not the
> first to do this since Malenkai's reforms...).

Got Huberted did he?  If the proposal idea is to make people decline
things privatly, I am not sure that is a good idea.

rufus

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:46:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 572 (Joe Java)

> > I concur. Especially in this instance. Joe Java sent me a private message
> > declining and I replied saying e had to do it publicly but e did so just
a
> > bit too late. Actually, that gives me an idea for a proposal (e's not the
> > first to do this since Malenkai's reforms...).
> 
> Got Huberted did he?  If the proposal idea is to make people decline
> things privatly, I am not sure that is a good idea.

The proposal (which I have now submitted) was to make declining privately
allowed. I don't really see any problem with this. If the CotC abuses it then
e'll get shoved out of office for malpractice straight away (well, actually,
e'd probably have an impeachment report filed against em first which would go
through and then a CFCJ would be called against em for malpractice...)

TGW, CotC.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:51:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 572 (Joe Java)

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> The proposal (which I have now submitted) was to make declining privately
> allowed. I don't really see any problem with this. If the CotC abuses it then
> e'll get shoved out of office for malpractice straight away (well, actually,
> e'd probably have an impeachment report filed against em first which would go
> through and then a CFCJ would be called against em for malpractice...)

How much BWG is declining CFJ publicly really amount to? Not much, three
or four a week maybe?   Why set ourselves up for a scam- even a potential
one?  

rufus

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:55:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Potato

On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> The holder of the Little Lamb, which I believe is me but I haven't read all
> my email yet, has found the Magic Potato.
> 
> I welcome suggestions as to what I should do as Beldin's Tailor, to try to
> defang it.  I'm considering changing "amended" to "repealed"...:-)

Change Rule to repealed, if it is possible to remove the a in front of it.

"Beldin's Pants are repealed, initially Somewhere Else."

has a nice ring to it.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:01:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Potato

> The holder of the Little Lamb, which I believe is me but I haven't read all
> my email yet, has found the Magic Potato.
> 
> I welcome suggestions as to what I should do as Beldin's Tailor, to try to
> defang it.  I'm considering changing "amended" to "repealed"...:-)

I'd suggest changing "only" to "not".

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:06:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 572 (Joe Java)

> How much BWG is declining CFJ publicly really amount to? Not much, three
> or four a week maybe?   Why set ourselves up for a scam- even a potential
> one?  

The main problem isn't the BWG. It's the way that the CotC gets annoyed at
having to send a message to the judge explaining things, and that the judge
can get annoyed at having to send out the same message twice, or tat a judge
can end up having to judge something e doesn't want to... You get the idea. I
don't really see how this would make any scam possible either.

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:07:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Inventor election: AGAIN!

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> In the event that it was necessary, the following have nominated themselves
> for inventor:
> 
> K 2
> Koxvolio
> Slakko
> /dev/joe
> TGW
> 
> Reply to vote.
> 
> TGW, confused Count Tabula.

I just realised - on reinspection of the ruleset it appears that /dev/joe
currently being the Inventor is obvious.

Rule 402 says that
"If the rules fail to state who is eligible to volunteer, then all Players
are eligible" with regard to nominations.
While Rule 593 says that a player may hold no more than one of the
preceding offices at any one time.  It does not mention anything about
nominations, and so /dev/joe was clearly eligible to nominate as Inventor.

With regard to /dev/joe holding the Office, Rule 402 says that

"Letting N stand for the number of vacant Seats for the Office in
question, the top N Nominees, ranked by votes received, shall hold the
Office."

With 1 seat, and /dev/joe receiving the most votes, /dev/joe shall hold
the Office of Inventor by Rule 402.

Rule 593 says e may not hold more than 1 of the Scientist offices at once.

Neither Rule 402 or Rule 593 states anything about precedence.
Therefore numerics win, 402 overrules 593, and /dev/joe shall hold the
Office of Inventor.

Once he is in there, Rule 593 may make it a Crime for him to hold both
Inventor and Wizard, but it does not say how to remove him from either
Office, and as this would be manipulation of an entity (the Office), and
it is not explicitly stated by Rule 593 that e will be removed from an
Office, Rule 500 takes precedence and stops em being booted out
automatically.

So /dev/joe is still the Inventor.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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