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ackanomic digest       Saturday, April 18 1998       Volume 03 : Number 114

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:21:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Two things.

 1) Does my house now have a tower on it.
 2) What are the actual current states of biddings on the Otzma cards.

 Wild Card.

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:27:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Two things.

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

>  1) Does my house now have a tower on it.
>  2) What are the actual current states of biddings on the Otzma cards.

1) If you had enough money (which I believe you did), then yes, it does.
I'll update the map forthwith.

2)
On the Go Fish the top bidders are 
Koxvolio on A$60
JT on A$50

On the Untouch Me the top bidder is K 2 on A$20.
(Only positive amounts may be bid, so a "bid" of A$-2 is not actually a
bid and hence cannot disqualify K 2).

On the Share Your Income cards the top bidders are
Koxvolio on A$155
JT on A$136

On the Paratroop card the top bidder is
Koxvolio on A$60

On the Truthseeker cards the top bidders are:
JT on A$50
K 2 on A$30

On the Skeleton Key card the top bidder is
Koxvolio on A$30

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - ex-President/still Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:36:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka : CFJs declining, accepting

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> > I am declining any CFJ which has been assigned to me, and on which I ahve
> > not returned judgement yet.
> > 
> > (just cleaning up before going for a short while - better than being
> > deadbeat)
> 
> Unless I'm mistaken you can't decline after you've had aCFJ longer than
> three days, which I'm pretty sure you have on one of them.
> 
> TGW, CotC.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
In that case, I believe my recent change status to non-voting should take
care of that.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:40:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Two things.

> >  1) Does my house now have a tower on it.
> >  2) What are the actual current states of biddings on the Otzma cards.
> 
> 1) If you had enough money (which I believe you did), then yes, it does.

 So *that* room doesn't count as shelter unless you have just read the
Tornado page?

> I'll update the map forthwith.
> 
> 2)
> On the Go Fish the top bidders are 
> Koxvolio on A$60
> JT on A$50
> 
> On the Untouch Me the top bidder is K 2 on A$20.
> (Only positive amounts may be bid, so a "bid" of A$-2 is not actually a
> bid and hence cannot disqualify K 2).
> 
> On the Share Your Income cards the top bidders are
> Koxvolio on A$155
> JT on A$136

 I'll bid A$ 171 on it.

> On the Paratroop card the top bidder is
> Koxvolio on A$60
> 
> On the Truthseeker cards the top bidders are:
> JT on A$50
> K 2 on A$30

 I'll bid A$ 60.

> On the Skeleton Key card the top bidder is
> Koxvolio on A$30
> 

 Wild Card.

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:43:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Two things.

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

> > >  1) Does my house now have a tower on it.
> > >  2) What are the actual current states of biddings on the Otzma cards.
> > 
> > 1) If you had enough money (which I believe you did), then yes, it does.
> 
>  So *that* room doesn't count as shelter unless you have just read the
> Tornado page?

That's right.  Nothing else says players at the Library are sheltered as
far as I can recall.

And please, people, try to keep bids on acka-fin.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - ex-President/still Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:06:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Web site changes

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, K2 wrote:

> I'd like some feedback on this,
> I've just crossed the magic number, but I can't win until the winning
> conditions are fixed, so what if someone else exceeds the magic number and
> or my score?
> I was the first and we didn't cross simulaneously....

We could theoretically break the Magic Number points condition for this
cycle, so that it wouldn't work now (but would work again in the next
cycle).  Makes things interesting.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - ex-President/still Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:33:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2855 rejected

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Results of Proposal 2855
> 
> 19/23 votes: Quorum achieved
> 6/17 YES votes: Proposal rejected
> 
[SNIP]
>     BAA!:
> /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
> 

SHEEP gives A$2 to /dev/joe as an Organization Action.

(Do i have to do this and have it agreed to, or was the original public
message announcing our intent to do so enough?)

IB

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:10:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Inventor election

I nominate myself for inventor.

TGW,

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:22:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Land, etc.

I note that FunkyTown (what I had hoped to name my house) is already on
the map in another location.   Is it really there?  

Is there any chance I won it?

IB

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:28:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Inventor election

> I nominate myself for inventor.
> 
> TGW,

I was under the impression that since /dev/joe had made himself able to
take up the ost of inventor, he was now the inventor.

Am I wrong? Do we have a thread split?

Koxvolio

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:34:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 571 (IdiotBoy)

>IdiotBoy has been selected.
>
>Clerk of the Courts
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Call For Judgement 571- April 18, 1998
>Subject: Scientists
>Initiator: Slakko (sent April 18, 1998, 03:06)
>Judge: IdiotBoy (selected April 18, 1998, 06:10)
>Judgement: 
>
>Statement:
>K 2 has achieved a Winning Condition within the past 7 days.

Huberted out of my own CWCFJ.

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:36:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Two things.

On the Untouch Me the top bidder is K 2 on A$20.
>(Only positive amounts may be bid, so a "bid" of A$-2 is not actually a
>bid and hence cannot disqualify K 2).
I bid A$ 20000000000
>
On the Truthseeker cards the top bidders are:
>JT on A$50
>K 2 on A$30
I bid A$ 20000000000
>

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:39:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Inventor election

At 10:28 18/04/98 -0400, you wrote:
Just in case,

I nominate myself for inventor.

K 2
>> 
>> TGW,
>
>I was under the impression that since /dev/joe had made himself able to
>take up the ost of inventor, he was now the inventor.
>
>Am I wrong? Do we have a thread split?
>
>Koxvolio
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:44:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hats

Have the hats been sent out?

K2

At 23:19 17/04/98 -0400, you wrote:
>	I wear hat number 2 and hat number 13
>
>--
>-Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran
>
>	<[email-masked]>
>
>	Success is the child of audacity.
>		-Benjamin Disraeli
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:44:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Inventor election

> > I nominate myself for inventor.
> > 
> > TGW,
> 
> I was under the impression that since /dev/joe had made himself able to
> take up the ost of inventor, he was now the inventor.
> 
> Am I wrong? Do we have a thread split?

First off: Oh dear, it looks like I've got snowgod's disease. This was meant
to be sent to me.

Secondly, I haven't a clue what the current status of the seat of inventor
is, I'm calling a new nomination just in case.

TGW.

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:46:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Stripe

Gee, the time goes so quickly.  It seems like just a little while ago I
was handing out a Blue Cross to TGW, and now along comes another award
ceremony.

It is not that often that someone who has earned their Blue Cross
continues to tread the path of Harf to greater glory.  Some simply give
up, feeling that the Cross is reward enough.  They are the ones who have
forgotten that the Harf is the reward, not the Medal which embodies it.
Fortunately, today we can celebrate the achievements of one who has not
forgotten that the Harf is its own reward.

On behalf of all Ackanomic, and in my capacity as President, I, Slakko,
present Vynd with a Silver Stripe for reaching a Blue Cross Rank of at
least 30.  Remember the harf by which it came to you, and cherish the harf
that it brings you all the rest of your days.

<rent-a-crowd goes through its usual antics>

Yours,
Slakko

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:54:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Inventor election

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Ian K. wrote:

> > I nominate myself for inventor.
> > 
> > TGW,
> 
> I was under the impression that since /dev/joe had made himself able to
> take up the ost of inventor, he was now the inventor.
> 
> Am I wrong? Do we have a thread split?

Until the appeal of CFJ 570 (IIRC) is resolved, yes we do.  But this one
is fairly minor.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: [none]

From rule 600:

When it ceases to be legal to appeal a particular Cycle-Win CFJ, if the
final verdict is true, and the player who submitted the
CFJ is a voting player at that time, then that player wins the cycle. 

When slakko's CWCFJ alleging I have acheived a winning condition is judged
true, Slakko will win the cycle.

Well done Slakko. 

K 2
Living in hope that Slakko will retract.
Or Idiot Boy will deadbeat on it.
or the sun will shine at midnight.

This is going to be a real giggle when breadbox writes it into the history

K 2
repeating eir name
who can't stop laughing

Actually, now that I note it CFJ571 is not a CWCFJ because:

If a player believes *emself* to have achieved a Winning Condition, then
*e* should submit a CFJ whose statement alleges that *e*
has won the Cycle. The rest of the CFJ should describe how *the player*
thinks *e* has won the Cycle. *****(Such CFJ's, and only
such CFJ's, are known as Cycle-Win CFJ's.) *****

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:06:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Web site changes

>I'd like some feedback on this,
	The Harf is back and I want a winter cap.

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:09:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: ACKA ACKa ACka Acka ACkA etc

Appologies for my 
	previous 
		postal 
			post

At 11:04 18/04/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>From rule 600:
>
>When it ceases to be legal to appeal a particular Cycle-Win CFJ, if the
>final verdict is true, and the player who submitted the
>CFJ is a voting player at that time, then that player wins the cycle. 
>
>When slakko's CWCFJ alleging I have acheived a winning condition is judged
>true, Slakko will win the cycle.
>
>Well done Slakko. 
>
>K 2
>Living in hope that Slakko will retract.
>Or Idiot Boy will deadbeat on it.
>or the sun will shine at midnight.
>
>This is going to be a real giggle when breadbox writes it into the history
>
>K 2
>repeating eir name
>who can't stop laughing
>
>Actually, now that I note it CFJ571 is not a CWCFJ because:
>
>If a player believes *emself* to have achieved a Winning Condition, then
>*e* should submit a CFJ whose statement alleges that *e*
>has won the Cycle. The rest of the CFJ should describe how *the player*
>thinks *e* has won the Cycle. *****(Such CFJ's, and only
>such CFJ's, are known as Cycle-Win CFJ's.) *****
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:09:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: 

>Actually, now that I note it CFJ571 is not a CWCFJ because:
>
>If a player believes *emself* to have achieved a Winning Condition, then
>*e* should submit a CFJ whose statement alleges that *e*
>has won the Cycle. The rest of the CFJ should describe how *the player*
>thinks *e* has won the Cycle. *****(Such CFJ's, and only
>such CFJ's, are known as Cycle-Win CFJ's.) *****

	Regardless, submit your version ASAP.  Maybe I'll be judge and can
judge it first:)

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:10:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: ^

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, K2 wrote:

> Actually, now that I note it CFJ571 is not a CWCFJ because:
> 
> If a player believes *emself* to have achieved a Winning Condition, then
> *e* should submit a CFJ whose statement alleges that *e*
> has won the Cycle. The rest of the CFJ should describe how *the player*
> thinks *e* has won the Cycle. *****(Such CFJ's, and only
> such CFJ's, are known as Cycle-Win CFJ's.) *****

I'm more inclined to accept your second claim - that CFJ 571 is not a
Cycle Win CFJ.  Not even should Proposal 2878 pass (which would specify
that e has achieved a Winning Condition).  However, it does stop you
submitting it for 7 days by the Substantially Similar CFJ rules.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:12:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Retract

Guess who didn't read Rule 211 properly? :-(
I retract CFJ 571.

Yours,
Slakko

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:13:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Web site changes

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Towsner wrote:

> >I'd like some feedback on this,
> 	The Harf is back and I want a winter cap.

Inadequate information.
Picture hazy. Try again later.

Yours,
Slakko
The Magic 1/2-ball
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:15:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: ^

>I'm more inclined to accept your second claim - that CFJ 571 is not a
>Cycle Win CFJ.  Not even should Proposal 2878 pass (which would specify
>that e has achieved a Winning Condition).  However, it does stop you
>submitting it for 7 days by the Substantially Similar CFJ rules.
>
Which only apply to similar CFJ from the same author or _PWCFJ_ not CWCFJs

(I just checked)

Any CFJ whose statement is substantially similar, or whose negative is
substantially similar, to the statement of another CFJ
submitted by the same player within the past week, in the judgement of the
judge, shall be judged Invalid. This applies even in
the case that the previously submitted CFJ was retracted by the player in
question. 

If the statements of two unresolved Paradox Win CFJs are substantially
similar, in the opinion of the judge of the
higher-numbered one, then the higher-numbered one shall be judged Invalid.
Any Paradox Win CFJ which is based on the
same sort of Paradox, in the judgement of the judge, as any Paradox Win CFJ
ever judged TRUE, shall be judged Invalid. 

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:15:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka (sorry breadbox) 

I palgerized Slakko's and sent it in ;)

At 11:09 18/04/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Actually, now that I note it CFJ571 is not a CWCFJ because:
>>
>>If a player believes *emself* to have achieved a Winning Condition, then
>>*e* should submit a CFJ whose statement alleges that *e*
>>has won the Cycle. The rest of the CFJ should describe how *the player*
>>thinks *e* has won the Cycle. *****(Such CFJ's, and only
>>such CFJ's, are known as Cycle-Win CFJ's.) *****
>
>	Regardless, submit your version ASAP.  Maybe I'll be judge and can
>judge it first:)
>
>--
>-Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran
>
>	<[email-masked]>
>
>	Success is the child of audacity.
>		-Benjamin Disraeli
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:18:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 572 (Ayla)

Ayla has been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 572- April 18, 1998
Subject: Winning (again)
Initiator: K 2 (sent April 18, 1998, 05:57)
Judge: Ayla (selected April 18, 1998, 11:16)
Judgement: 

Statement:
K 2 has achieved a Winning Condition within the past 7 days.

K 2's Reasoning:
K 2 submitted the target "else...if" and the target word "excellent" to
Slakko, as President, for the List of Harf.  This message arrived at
Slakko's inbox at 23:52 BST on the 17th of April, equivalent to 18:52 Acka
time on that day.

Later that day else...if did post a message including the word
"excellent".  K 2 claimed his winter cap.  Notwithstanding Slakko's first
message, which claimed to make K 2 wear sandals, the target word
"excellent" was in the else...if message, and hence K 2 earned half of
else...if's score, 101 points.

This took K 2's score to at least 363, whereas the Magic Number was 347.
At that time no other player had a score in excess of 347, so K 2 achieved
the points winning condition.

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:19:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: 

> Actually, now that I note it CFJ571 is not a CWCFJ because:
> 
> If a player believes *emself* to have achieved a Winning Condition, then
> *e* should submit a CFJ whose statement alleges that *e*
> has won the Cycle. The rest of the CFJ should describe how *the player*
> thinks *e* has won the Cycle. *****(Such CFJ's, and only
> such CFJ's, are known as Cycle-Win CFJ's.) *****

Not only that, but there is nothing stopping you from submitting your
own CWCFJ. The judge is *not* required to judge a "substantially
similar" CFJ Invalid.

You folks need to reread the rules about winning conditions and the
like.

breadbox

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:25:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Retract

Bah and here I was trying to extort K2 for going deadbeat.

IB
BAA!

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> Guess who didn't read Rule 211 properly? :-(
> I retract CFJ 571.
> 
> Yours,
> Slakko
> 
> -- 
> Duncan C. "" Richer aka
> Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
> Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
> Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:28:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: 

At 11:19 18/04/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> Actually, now that I note it CFJ571 is not a CWCFJ because:
>> 
>> If a player believes *emself* to have achieved a Winning Condition, then
>> *e* should submit a CFJ whose statement alleges that *e*
>> has won the Cycle. The rest of the CFJ should describe how *the player*
>> thinks *e* has won the Cycle. *****(Such CFJ's, and only
>> such CFJ's, are known as Cycle-Win CFJ's.) *****
>
>Not only that, but there is nothing stopping you from submitting your
>own CWCFJ. The judge is *not* required to judge a "substantially
>similar" CFJ Invalid.
>
>You folks need to reread the rules about winning conditions and the
>like.
>
>breadbox

been there, done that ;)

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:35:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Land, etc.

> I note that FunkyTown (what I had hoped to name my house) is already on
> the map in another location.   Is it really there?  

Heh.  You gave this to The Church of Odo on the Wormhole before you last
left the game.  If you ask nicely maybe they'll give it back.

/dev/joe

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:37:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Winter Cap

K 2 sent a message with a timestamp of Sat 18 Apr 1998 11:28:06 EDT,
and with a title of "Re: Acka: ". The Harf is back and I want a winter
cap.

breadbox

> At 11:19 18/04/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >> Actually, now that I note it CFJ571 is not a CWCFJ because:
> >> 
> >> If a player believes *emself* to have achieved a Winning Condition, then
> >> *e* should submit a CFJ whose statement alleges that *e*
> >> has won the Cycle. The rest of the CFJ should describe how *the player*
> >> thinks *e* has won the Cycle. *****(Such CFJ's, and only
> >> such CFJ's, are known as Cycle-Win CFJ's.) *****
> >
> >Not only that, but there is nothing stopping you from submitting your
> >own CWCFJ. The judge is *not* required to judge a "substantially
> >similar" CFJ Invalid.
> >
> >You folks need to reread the rules about winning conditions and the
> >like.
> >
> >breadbox
> 
> been there, done that ;)

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:43:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Winter Cap

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> K 2 sent a message with a timestamp of Sat 18 Apr 1998 11:28:06 EDT,
> and with a title of "Re: Acka: ". The Harf is back and I want a winter
> cap.

Indeed the Harf is back, here is your cap!

Now I have to go and %$@ do the Scorekeeper's job to find out how much
breadbox gets.  I believe K 2's score at this point is 371, so

+185 breadbox: got a winter cap cause the Harf was back

Interestingly breadbox now has the highest score, and is in excess of the
Magic Number, but is not achieving a Winning Condition.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:49:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: NT

While wondering what exectly I'm doing up at 1:18am Sunday morning and were
my spell checker has gone I wander out of the library podering this and
many other imponderables. Amilessly I stroll around the ackan township,
expolre Wilderness in a heart beat and nod my head intellegently at the
misterious mistyness that is SomeWhere Else.
Coming out of my revere, I find myself on the town hall steps. (The tensors
step.) From here I step onto Mr Lunatic Fringe's step. Its ill define
position in the order causes a beif<sic>[no pun] interlude of dizzyness
before I step off and onto Red Barn's step. Proceeding into the newly
erected Town hall, i saunter around admiring the freshly painted walls and
inhalling the toxic paint solvents (which smell much like the gumball).
Course its now 1:35 so I head home and shut the black plastic.

I create two tinkets called Nice Try #n were n is replaced with 1 and 2.
they each have a value of half the standard harfer fee rounded down (A$12).
Their description is : A Bronze statuette of the Brass Monkey holding a
golden replica of the Bronze Umbrella.

I gift Nice Try #1 to Slakko.
I gift Nice Try #2 to Idiot Boy.

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:30:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah J. Smukler)
Subject: Acka: I want some dividends!

In the post called "Acka: Winter Cap", which seems to have been sent
at 11:37:55 AM (Acka time), bread box (minus the space) wrote:

>timestamp

The harf is back and I want a winter cap.

AtP

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:59:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: A break

> First: I'm going on a week long vacation in a few hours.  If TGW hurries
> with his move in Eleusis I'll have time to make one more move.

Done. Now we just need Hubert and JT to respond :-).

> Second: I think we should get rid of "Harf the mail"  What do other people
> think?

I agree.

> Third: Could someone informally calculate the stock market while I'm gone?
> Otherwise it would cause a mess and I don't like the idea of sorting close
> to a thousand messages and figuring out how the market changed.  Perhaps
> Alvaen or breadbox, who need to deal with most of that stuff anyway.

If no-one else volunteers then I'll do it, although I'd rather not (because
I'd have to go and work out how the stock market works :-)).

Also, I've been meaning to do this for a bit but not got round to it. I
suggest that shell #10 transfer it's whamiol to else...if and it's silver
space ship to The Gingham Wearer. I think this is legal, although I'm not
sure. Could please approve this (or object to it, as the case may be...)
before you go else...if?

TGW.

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:59:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: I want some dividends!

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Micah J. Smukler wrote:

> In the post called "Acka: Winter Cap", which seems to have been sent
> at 11:37:55 AM (Acka time), bread box (minus the space) wrote:
> 
> >timestamp
> 
> The harf is back and I want a winter cap.

Indeed the harf is back, here is your cap!

Atilla +186: got a winter cap cause the harf was back.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:02:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Web site changes

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Towsner wrote:
> 
> > >I'd like some feedback on this,
> > 	The Harf is back and I want a winter cap.
> 
> Inadequate information.
> Picture hazy. Try again later.

Anyone who rereads Rule 1136 will know why I couldn't respond as specified
in there to this post.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:02:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Inventor election

> At 10:28 18/04/98 -0400, you wrote:
> Just in case,
> 
> I nominate myself for inventor.
> 
> K 2

And I, too, nominate myself for Inventor, in case we do have to have a new
election. (Although I don't think we should have to).

Koxvolio

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:05:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Inventor election

> > Just in case,
> > 
> > I nominate myself for inventor.
> > 
> > K 2
> 
> And I, too, nominate myself for Inventor, in case we do have to have a new
> election. (Although I don't think we should have to).

Help! This snowgod's disease is spreading!

If you want to nominate for inventor in the event that it is possible then
please mail me privately!

TGW! (Yes I know, using lots of exclamation marks isn't big and isn't clever).

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:11:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: A break

>Also, I've been meaning to do this for a bit but not got round to it. I
>suggest that shell #10 transfer it's whamiol to else...if and it's silver
>space ship to The Gingham Wearer. I think this is legal, although I'm not
>sure. Could please approve this (or object to it, as the case may be...)
>before you go else...if?
	I approve

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:11:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: See you soonq

	I am putting myself on vacation, expected duration 8 days (just to
be safe)

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Land, etc.

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> > I note that FunkyTown (what I had hoped to name my house) is already on
> > the map in another location.   Is it really there?  
> 
> Heh.  You gave this to The Church of Odo on the Wormhole before you last
> left the game.  If you ask nicely maybe they'll give it back.
> 
> /dev/joe
> 

Listen here, young man.  There's no need to be so smug. :)

IB

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:42:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Hats

> Have the hats been sent out?

To everyone but you, because my computer tends to take close to an hour to
deliver email to internex.net.au, for reasons that remain obscure to me.
And often I'm just not online for that long.  Were I continuously connected
to the Net, this wouldn't be a problem...  Maybe I should contact a
(non-Acka) person who is, to send them for me.

Or perhaps you can think of another alternative.  Private IRC channel?
Direct telnet?  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Leslie Spit Treeo:Book of Rejection
Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The Cybernetic Walrus
Burn this message.

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:48:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Hats

> > Have the hats been sent out?

> To everyone but you, because my computer tends to take close to an hour to
> deliver email to internex.net.au, for reasons that remain obscure to me.
> And often I'm just not online for that long.  Were I continuously connected
> to the Net, this wouldn't be a problem...  Maybe I should contact a
> (non-Acka) person who is, to send them for me.

Okay.  It's gone out now.  Last night it was being really stubborn,
though...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Leslie Spit Treeo:Book of Rejection
Current Book--Jack L. Chalker:The Cybernetic Walrus
A cat will blink when struck with a hammer.

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:06:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka : Capital Swinger Office transfer

I am offering K2 Tarzan's Tree house, the Capital Swinger's Office which I
own.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:30:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2855 rejected

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Matt Miller wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:
> 
> > Results of Proposal 2855
> > 
> > 19/23 votes: Quorum achieved
> > 6/17 YES votes: Proposal rejected
> > 
> [SNIP]
> >     BAA!:
> > /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
> > 
> 
> SHEEP gives A$2 to /dev/joe as an Organization Action.
> 
> (Do i have to do this and have it agreed to, or was the original public
> message announcing our intent to do so enough?)

I support this action (the message announcing intent was probably not
enough.)

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:36:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2855 rejected

> > SHEEP gives A$2 to /dev/joe as an Organization Action.
> > 
> > (Do i have to do this and have it agreed to, or was the original public
> > message announcing our intent to do so enough?)
> 
> I support this action (the message announcing intent was probably not
> enough.)

You're probably right. I support it too.

TGW.

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:23:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Raquel Peres da Silva" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 572

> Ayla has been selected.
> 
> Clerk of the Courts
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Call For Judgement 572- April 18, 1998
> Subject: Winning (again)
> Initiator: K 2 (sent April 18, 1998, 05:57)
> Judge: Ayla (selected April 18, 1998, 11:16)

I'm declining CFJ 572.

Ayla
Priestess of The Order of the Razor Boomerangs

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:28:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Hat

I am making visible and then wearing the Agenda Hat associated with
condition number 9.

                                      - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:41:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Landrush...

Two seperate actions, then a trade offer:

I attempt to buy the empty piece of land on square M10 on the map.

I attempt to buy the empty piece of land on square L10 on the map.

I offer to whoever owns square L9 and "Mohammed's Spring Gazebo"
on it to trade square L9 and "Mohammed's Spring Gazebo" to me while
e gets square M8 and "The Bearcave"

J. M. Bear

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:43:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: The Church to The Evil Ballot Stuffer

Dear All,

I have been Called to a purpose, which is the foundation of the Church to
The Evil Ballot Stuffer.

My doors are open to converts, whether new or from other faiths. Owners of
an Evil Ballot Stuffer are especially welcome.

The fundamental principle of our faith shall be the worship of Evil
Ballot Stuffers, which  are imperfect imitations of The Great Evil
Ballot Stuffer, who art above all entities. 

There are also some additional aspects of my vision, which shall only be
revealed to the faithful.

I welcome you, one and all - there are no restrictions on membership.

Koxvolio
Pseudo-Founder

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:45:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Landrush...

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Frank Schmidt wrote:

> Two seperate actions, then a trade offer:
> 
> I attempt to buy the empty piece of land on square M10 on the map.
> 
> I attempt to buy the empty piece of land on square L10 on the map.

There's no need to worry about saying "I attempt to".  Just do it and the
harfers will work it out later the same.

> 
> I offer to whoever owns square L9 and "Mohammed's Spring Gazebo"
> on it to trade square L9 and "Mohammed's Spring Gazebo" to me while
> e gets square M8 and "The Bearcave"
> 
> J. M. Bear
> 
> 

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:47:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Church to The Evil Ballot Stuffer

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Ian K. wrote:

> I have been Called to a purpose, which is the foundation of the Church to
> The Evil Ballot Stuffer.
> 
> I welcome you, one and all - there are no restrictions on membership.

I have seen the light of the Stuffer.
I support the founding of this Church and will happily enter its
congregation.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - President, Web-Harfer, RuneMaker, ChessUmpire, Map-Harfer

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:52:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Church to The Evil Ballot Stuffer

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Ian K. wrote:
> 
> > I have been Called to a purpose, which is the foundation of the Church to
> > The Evil Ballot Stuffer.
> > 
> > I welcome you, one and all - there are no restrictions on membership.
> 
> I have seen the light of the Stuffer.
> I support the founding of this Church and will happily enter its
> congregation.
> 
 <monotonic> I too have seen the light.
 I support the founding.
 I will enter the congregation.
 
 Wild Card.

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:33:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Welcome, O Ye Faithful!

I welcome with joy Slakko and Wild Card to the Church of the Evil Ballot
Stuffer.

I initiate them into the lesser mysteries.

Koxvolio

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:36:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 572 (Joe Java)

Ayla has declined. Joe Java has been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 572- April 18, 1998
Subject: Winning (again)
Initiator: K 2 (sent April 18, 1998, 05:57)
Judge: Ayla (declined)
Second Judge: Joe Java (selected April 18, 1998, 16:35)
Judgement: 

Statement:
K 2 has achieved a Winning Condition within the past 7 days.

K 2's Reasoning:
K 2 submitted the target "else...if" and the target word "excellent" to
Slakko, as President, for the List of Harf.  This message arrived at
Slakko's inbox at 23:52 BST on the 17th of April, equivalent to 18:52 Acka
time on that day.

Later that day else...if did post a message including the word
"excellent".  K 2 claimed his winter cap.  Notwithstanding Slakko's first
message, which claimed to make K 2 wear sandals, the target word
"excellent" was in the else...if message, and hence K 2 earned half of
else...if's score, 101 points.

This took K 2's score to at least 363, whereas the Magic Number was 347.
At that time no other player had a score in excess of 347, so K 2 achieved
the points winning condition.

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