Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #104
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ackanomic digest        Tuesday, April 14 1998        Volume 03 : Number 104

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:35:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: New Player (me)

Well, we get a chance to use that brand new "sponsorship" clause
in the Joining the Game rule, because one of my old comrades
from the Net(from alt.pub.coffeehouse.amethyst, to be precise)
has decided to join us.

Eir name is Frank Schmidt, eir email is <[email-masked]>,
and the Ackanomic name e has chosen is J. M. Bear.  Since e has
named me as eir Sponsor, I am eir Mentor, and further e is awarded
the Trinket "Sponsored by Alfvaen" and I am awarded the Trinket
"J. M. Bear is all my fault".

(I note luckily that Rule 506 does not allow rule-created Trinkets
to be forgeries, as just now occurred to me...)

Anyway, let's welcome em to Ackanomic!

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Mission: Impossible Soundtrack
Current Book--Philip Jose Farmer:The Cache
[The road]twisted like a snake that had swallowed a Slinky...  --Joel Rosenberg

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:39:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Ackanomicon Determination

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# Player: JT
# Ackanomicon determination
# based on the following (using a 50 sided die):
# 1 -15: arcane trivia
# 16-20: vile prophecies
# 21-25: inner workings
# 26-30: arcane lore
# 31-33: terrorizing pages
# 34-34: ancient artifact
# 35-36: mutation
# 37-38: dark domain
# 39-39: the secret
# 40-41: long lost treasure
# 42-43: doomsday
# 44-44: forbidden fruit
# 45-45: catastrophe
# 46-49: not so forbidden fruit
# 50-50: ancient one
# Alfvaen

No. of sides on every die:     50
No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:    1
No. of rolls per line:          1

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> #C Player: JT
> #C Ackanomicon determination
> #C based on the following (using a 50 sided die):
> #C 1 -15: arcane trivia
> #C 16-20: vile prophecies
> #C 21-25: inner workings
> #C 26-30: arcane lore
> #C 31-33: terrorizing pages
> #C 34-34: ancient artifact
> #C 35-36: mutation
> #C 37-38: dark domain
> #C 39-39: the secret
> #C 40-41: long lost treasure
> #C 42-43: doomsday
> #C 44-44: forbidden fruit
> #C 45-45: catastrophe
> #C 46-49: not so forbidden fruit
> #C 50-50: ancient one
> #C Alfvaen
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:46:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Phoebe

Joe Java has found Phoebe.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Mission: Impossible Soundtrack
Current Book--Philip Jose Farmer:The Cache
Take a fantastic multimedia voyage inside your own body!

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:54:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Beldin's Pants V

> > Rules of Logic be suspended!
> > How is Beldin's Pants amended?

> [deletia]

> Alas, dear Alfvaen, this doth fail --
> Why's embedded in this tale.

> Il y a longtemps, I did beseech
> >From Praetor Ackans thee Impeach,

> And borne of this Impeachment paper
> Came a long and sordid caper,

> For once thou wast the Praetor acting,
> Thou could not Beldin be impacting.

> And then, in scamming, spamming action,
> Th'impeachment paper met retraction.

> But this one fact wast then ignored --
> To Praetor thou wast not restored.

Of this failure, be thou absolved;
Is th'first IP yet unresolved?

(Rule 404, look at Clause (iii),
And not merely at Clause (v).)

It can no longer be enacted,
Since it surely was retracted.

And with no unresolved IP,
The rules me Praetor do decree

Not acting capacity merely,
But holding truly and sincerely.

Thy second IP's time expired,
Your score ten points has been vampired,

For insufficient votes were cast
For my removal at the last.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Mission: Impossible Soundtrack
Current Book--Philip Jose Farmer:The Cache
Be careful bending your head--you may break it.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:59:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Fortnightly Dividends, April 13, 1998

I'd almost forgotten about these, until I saw Slakko's Swingpont Awards.
Then I thought "Oh, yeah, it's time for those."  Assuming the Cycle
didn't end sometime in the last week(and I really hope it didn't):

Score changes used for dividend calculation:
- --------------------------------------------
Alfvaen: 62
Attila the Pun: -6
Ayla: -5
breadbox: 58
Calvin N Hobbes: 78
Crackfoo: 23
/dev/joe: 29
else...if: 29
Enigma: 0
Fortunato: 0
The Gingham Wearer: 39
Goldenmean: 0
Guy Fawkes: 135
Hoover 2300: 0
Hubert: 59
IdiotBoy: 16
Illusion: 37
Joe Java: 7
JT: 40
K 2: 132
Karma: 0
Koxvolio: 24
Niccolo Flychuck: 22
Rex Mundi: 14
Robert Sevin: 0
rufus: 3
Slakko: 90
ThinMan: 0
two-star: 0
Vynd: 38
Wild Card: 0
 
Fortnightly Dividends
- ---------------------
Alfvaen: 62.0  -->  62
Attila the Pun: -3.0  -->  -6/2
Ayla: -2.5  -->  -5/2
breadbox: 58.0  -->  58
Calvin N Hobbes: 78.0  -->  78
Crackfoo: 23.0  -->  23
/dev/joe: 29.0  -->  29
else...if: 29.0  -->  29
Enigma: 0.0  -->  0
Fortunato: 0.0  -->  0
The Gingham Wearer: 39.0  -->  39
Goldenmean: 0.0  -->  0
Guy Fawkes: 135.0  -->  135
Hoover 2300: 0.0  -->  0
Hubert: 59.0  -->  59
IdiotBoy: 16.0  -->  16
Illusion: 37.0  -->  37
Joe Java: 7.0  -->  7
JT: 40.0  -->  40
K 2: 132.0  -->  132
Karma: 0.0  -->  0
Koxvolio: 24.0  -->  24
Niccolo Flychuck: 22.0  -->  22
Rex Mundi: 14.0  -->  14
Robert Sevin: 0.0  -->  0
rufus: 3.0  -->  3
Slakko: 90.0  -->  90
ThinMan: 0.0  -->  0
two-star: 0.0  -->  0
Vynd: 38.0  -->  38
Wild Card: 0.0  -->  0

#award Alfvaen: 62 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award Attila the Pun: -3 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award Ayla: -3 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award breadbox: 58 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award Calvin N Hobbes: 78 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award Crackfoo: 23 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award /dev/joe: 29 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award else...if: 29 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award The Gingham Wearer: 39 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award Guy Fawkes: 135 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award Hubert: 59 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award IdiotBoy: 16 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award Illusion: 37 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award Joe Java: 7 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award JT: 40 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award K 2: 132 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award Koxvolio: 24 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award Niccolo Flychuck: 22 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award Rex Mundi: 14 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award rufus: 3 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award Slakko: 90 A$ : dividend Apr 13
#award Vynd: 38 A$ : dividend Apr 13

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Mission: Impossible Soundtrack
Current Book--Philip Jose Farmer:The Cache
Slowly and carefully saunter amok.  --Lisa Chabot

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:19:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Whiiiiiiine!!

[I'll note up front that I'm unsure of whether this is legitimate or not.
 IE, does being forced to donate my money count as a loss of money?  I think
 so, so I'll whine anyway :)]

I must say.  First points for a proposal, and now this EEEEEEEEVIL book is
making me give some of my money away!! How can this be.   Never, nowhere,
nohow did I see anything that gave me even an inkling that my hard earned
money could be taken away from me.  Thieves!!! Robbers!!!! Heretics!!!!!!
I don't think this is very fair at all.. Nope, not at all, especially without
big warning signs in bright red letters that even a newbie could read.  I
didn't see them, did YOU???   So.. give it back, you hear me?

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:27:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Senate Seat

Since I don't see anything in the rules prohibiting me from doing so,
I rename my Senate Seat to Seat Draconis

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:50:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Beldin's Pants V

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> Rules of Logic be suspended!
> How is Beldin's Pants amended?
...
> 
> Other such means may exist,
> But no more the Vulcan fist.

Could such means remain in use?
Is this a description? Is that term so loose?

For you have failed to tell us how.
And so they cannot change for now.

The Rule doth say, if I see right
"As described by the Praetor" clear as night.

So if a description you have not made
That amendment's not here, not even a shade.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - ex-President/still Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:13:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2649 rejected

>    ABSTAINED:
>Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
>ThinMan              (Rule 1 is repealed. #1)
>two-star             (MetaMorph)
>Crackfoo             (Harf)
>
>    VACATIONING:
>Michael Wren

Am I vacationing or non-voting?

Harf,
Robert Sevin

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:18:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2649 rejected

> Am I vacationing or non-voting?

You are non-voting, and have been since you voluntarily changed your
status to non-voting last September.

breadbox

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:22:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2649 rejected

At 03:18 AM 4/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> Am I vacationing or non-voting?
>
>You are non-voting, and have been since you voluntarily changed your
>status to non-voting last September.

Thanks. I recall switching back to voting some time in January, but then
again, I don't recall casting any votes, so I'm probably mistaken. Losing
my memory in my old age.

Will I ever again become voting? Will I ever be an active participant in
Acka again? These questions and more plague every player of Ackanomic, no
doubt causing all of you to lose much sleep.

Harf,
Robert Sevin

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:40:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2869

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> 
> This will basically come down to a question of ideologies.  These days,
> given the need for four players to found a Church, why should one of them
> be any more special than the others?  Creating a Church now is a
> collaborative effort, and IMHO to say that one player leaving should
> cripple the Church in the long term is no longer appropriate.
> 
> This isn't a question which can go much further with rational discourse -
> we've barely touched the subject and we're already down to what people
> believe to be best.  I would encourage Ayla to submit eir proposal and let
> the Ackans decide.

Of course this is a question of ideology. Creating a Church has always
beena collaboratinve effort, from the very first days of the existence of
Churches. Should Ayla submit eir proposal, it is very likely to pass.
I have always felt, and still do, that the Organizational framework
enables us to explore different social structures. I have also always felt
that things all Orgs should have advantages and disadvantages.
I believe the current design of Churches and Political Parties achives
both of these goals.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:43:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Organized Rant

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Hubert wrote:

> After a quick perusal of the newly-revised Organization rules, it seems to
> me that it is more than pointless for any type of Organization except a
> Church to own a Secret Lab.  Secret Labs create Gadgets "in the possession
> of the Organization" which owns them, but Societies and Political Parties
> are not allowed to possess Gadgets.  Even if the creation were to succeed,
> the Orgs are, I think, forbidden from trading them.

Good. Now there's actually a discernible difference between
different types of Organizations.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:52:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Help, help, we're being oppressed!

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:

> 
> OK, perhaps I missed something.  As I said earlier, I have not been able
> to keep up with Acka lately.  As far as I know, the only "ample time" you
> could mean here was before the changes were made.  The rules as they stand
Yes. that would have been the Voting Period for the proposal.

> 
> In another message, you claimed that I was making presumptions about your
> motives when I implied that your proposal would take away most of Vulcan's
> entities.  I was not.  I said nothing of your motives.  Under the

You made an explicit reference to what the proposal is intended to do.

> Taking your proposal for what it is, not for any supposed intentions
> behind it, it is harsh and unjust.  It harms Vulcan and Shell #10
> substantially, and for virtually no gain for Acka.  Compared to other
> possibilities open to us through proposals, this option looks even
> harsher.  If Niccolo or anyone else can explain why it is necessary
> to strip these entities from their owners without giving us any
> alternatives or compensation, I would be astounded to hear it.

Nobody is stopping you from proposing an alternative.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:49:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mitchell Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Harf Project

Congratulations to The Gingham Wearer for being the newest addition to the
list of supporters of the Harf Project, which can be found at:
<http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~mitcharf/harfproj.html>

Why isn't harf a reserved word in C++? It would help my programming habits
immensely because I could no longer blithely name variables, functions and
even classes "harf" with careless disregard to their purpose.

Harf,
Robert Sevin
<http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~mitcharf/>

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:14:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New Church Formation

During the day or so since I announced my intent to found the Order of the
Razor Boomerangs, two players have publically asked to join, fulfilling
the requirement of Rule 1003, and one player privately, making the
three-besides-myself total required by Rule 1301.  Since this all falls
inside the allowable 7-day waiting period:

By this message, I found a Church called The Order of the Razor Boomerang.  

The founder is myself, Hubert.

Members are myself, JT, Ayla, and Joe Java.

The Church Dogma is a pregnant Doberman.

Again, I apologize to the various harfers for the necessity of this.
Especially to the Postmaster, who I believe is required to create a new
private Church mailing list, though I doubt we'll need one.

I suggest that the Razor Boomerangs transfer all their A$ to the Order of
the Razor Boomerang.  I approve of this suggestion.

I give A$125 to the Order of the Razor Boomerang.  I suggest that JT,
Ayla, and Joe Java do likewise.  I approve of this suggestion.  :-)

- -Hubert

Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:50:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Beldin's Pants V

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> Of this failure, be thou absolved;
> Is th'first IP yet unresolved?
> 
> (Rule 404, look at Clause (iii),
> And not merely at Clause (v).)

I have looked at clause (iii), 'tis true
But reach far different ends that you;

It says while Paper's in the air
The Praetor's seat thou shalt not bear,

But of the times that happen aught
Thy vaunted clause doth sayeth naught.

Clause (vi) restores explicitly
Power 'pon denied IP.

But as for thee, no Rule casts
The Praetor's seat about thy ass.

The Game State may not change at whim
But only as described within

The Rules, which truly do not say
That thou wert Praetor full that day.

Because of that, the truth doth be:
Your scam still fails, like my IP.

GF

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:00:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Beldin's Pants V

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Guy Fawkes wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
> 
> > Of this failure, be thou absolved;
> > Is th'first IP yet unresolved?
> > 
> > (Rule 404, look at Clause (iii),
> > And not merely at Clause (v).)
> 
> I have looked at clause (iii), 'tis true
> But reach far different ends that you;
> 
> It says while Paper's in the air
> The Praetor's seat thou shalt not bear,
> 
> But of the times that happen aught
> Thy vaunted clause doth sayeth naught.
> 
> Clause (vi) restores explicitly
> Power 'pon denied IP.

Yet your IP, the first you made.
Retracted was, 'tis now a shade.

But still three days from start elapse.
Doth end its voting time mayhaps.

Retracted yes, but doth not mean much.
Clause (iv) applies a REJECTed touch.

It doth not spare retracted claims
They too have three days to achieve their aims.

And so dear Guy your claim is naught.
The game is still with danger fraught.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - ex-President/still Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:11:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Beldin's Pants VI

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> Taking the Antxina in hand,
> I state, across the land,

What are the rules on metre/meter for rhyming couplets?
Must the syllabic counts match?

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - ex-President/still Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:15:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Beldin's Pants V

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> Retracted yes, but doth not mean much.
> Clause (iv) applies a REJECTed touch.
> 
> It doth not spare retracted claims
> They too have three days to achieve their aims.

An excellent claim, and one which I
Have often shown my questioning eye,

For if IP that I rescind
Still meets rejection at its end

Or acceptance 'twere the votes
Cast against the Praetor's hopes

Then retraction makes changes not
The game state's circumstances aught.

Rule 330 has this to say
My IP I can cast away

But on the Paper to Impeach
Th'effects it leaves to common speech.

Appears that we must CFJ
To know just what the Rules say.

GF

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:16:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Beldin's Pants V

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> Rules of Logic be suspended!
> How is Beldin's Pants amended?
> 
> Rule 940 says the Praetor
> Can this tell you, now or later.
> 
> It can be changed by Beldin's Tailor,
> Even if e be the Gaoler.

This does not actually describe how it can be changed.  It just says
Beldin's Tailor can change the rule.  But Rule 940 says it can only be
amended _as described by the Praetor_.  This is not a description, just a
listing.  I want to see a full description, dammit :-)

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - ex-President/still Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:58:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Church Formation

> Again, I apologize to the various harfers for the necessity of this.
> Especially to the Postmaster, who I believe is required to create a
> new private Church mailing list, though I doubt we'll need one.

Actually, I'm not *required* to lift a finger. It is unofficial
Postmaster policy to create mailing lists for any organization that
requests one. But I don't do anything without a request first.

breadbox

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:03:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Beldin's Pants VI

>> Taking the Antxina in hand,
>> I state, across the land,
> 
> What are the rules on metre/meter for rhyming couplets?
> Must the syllabic counts match?

Not quite - the number of *stressed* syllables are supposed to match
(in number and overall pattern). But even so, it's one of those rules
you're expected to break, after you've learned how to break it
properly. While Alfvaen meter is certainly bumpy here, it hardly
disqualifies it as being a rhyming couplet.

breadbox

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:11:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Schmidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Buying land

I attempt to buy the empty piece of land adjacent to my home for A$50.
I attempt to rename my home to "The Bearcave".

J.M.Bear (Frank Schmidt)

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:43:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: RFC: Org Reform Take II

> I'd certainly like to be able to at least reclaim my stuff from RexBank,
and
> to be able to actually use the secret lab that The Moral Kiosk owns.

I apply for membership in Rex Bank. And don't worry, I won't try to take all
your stuff.

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:43:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: Nyarlathotep

> Vell, vot can I zay... I mizread ze 20 as 30, zo I zought I vas ztill
> beeldeeng Nyarlathotep... zorry. I vas zinking ov ze 30 dayz! shell be
> rezigneeng az Mad Zcientizt ez zoon ez Nyarlathotep eez beelt!

Well, I think that removes any hope I still had of winning with this one :-).
I'm still going to try it with the next monster though and if anyone tries to
Hubert me out of it then I won't be impressed.

> The Gingham Wearer, Rule 940:
> Each recipient of Nyarlathotep gains 1 win every Thursday at noon.
> K2, Rule 940 - rejected (already in blueprint):
> Each recipient of Nyarlathotep gains 1 win every Thursday at noon.

Interesting that we both had the same idea here actually, now how did we
decide this one worked? :-)

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:43:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 565 (Niccolo)

Niccolo Flychuck has been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 565 - April 14, 1998
Subject: Bodies
Initiator: rufus (sent April 13, 1998, 18:19)
Judge: Niccolo Flychuck (selected April 14, 1998, 09:36)
Judgement: 

Statement: 
Ackans have no bodies. 

Initiator's Reasoning:  
The rules seem not to say.  Heads, yes.  Wings, some of us.  Ears, some of
us.  What these should attach to is not clear.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:43:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Inventor Election

> The following have nominated themselves in the election for inventor. Reply
> to vote:
> 
> Slakko
> JT
> /dev/joe
> rufus
> Calvin N Hobbes
> Joe Java
> Hubert
> The Gingham Wearer.

A correction. I don't think /dev/joe is eligible for this office, since e
already holds the office of wizard. I don't think that I have to call a new
election but if I do then I do so with candidates as listed above except
without /dev/joe. I think that the election should continue with any votes
for /dev/joe not counting and all those who have voted for /dev/joe being
able to vote for someone else. If anyone else feels differently then do tell
me. Kudos to Hubert for pointing this out to me.

TGW, count tabula.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:43:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 566 (Joe Java)

Joe Java has been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 566 - April 14, 1998
Subject: Winning
Initiator: Alfvaen (sent April 13, 1998, 20:35)
Judge: Joe Java (selected April 14, 1998, 09:39)
Judgement: 

Statement:
Alfvaen has won a Cycle of Ackanomic.

Alfvaen's Reasoning:
As Praetor, I was allowed to describe how Beldin's Pants, the Rule, was
to be amended.  I stated that as Praetor I was allowed to amend it.  I
then amended it to create the entity Antxina, whose powers were enumerated
therein.  Finally, by means of one of those powers I raised my score to the
Magic Number, winning the Cycle.

What could be simpler than that?

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:24:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Help, help, we're being oppressed!

I proxy my support to Shell#10

Towsner wrote:

>         Speaking of which, could one of the members of Shell#10 make an
> appropriate suggestion so we can legally own gadgets?  I still don't have
> access to a copy of the rules (this is getting increasingly annoying...)
>
> --
> -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran
>
>         <[email-masked]>
>
>         Success is the child of audacity.
>                 -Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:55:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Eleusis

True to my promise, I'll now volunteer to host the first ever Eleusis game
and referee it.  Since this will be the first playtest of the rules, I'd 
like to limit the game to the first four players who wish to play.
(I realized yesterday that 8 players will deplete the deck btw, so I need
to make at least one fix soon).  If you wish to play, please respond to
me and as soon as I have 4 players, I'll post to the Acka-games list
the start of the game, player order, and what have you.

- --JT

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:57:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Order of the Razor Boomerangs.

I transfer a$ 200 to the Order.
Oh fearless leader, could you also designate us initial people as priests?
(just in case it becomes relevant).

- --JT, still avaoiding public mention of the H word :)

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Inventor Election

> > The following have nominated themselves in the election for inventor. Reply
> > to vote:
> > /dev/joe
> 
> A correction. I don't think /dev/joe is eligible for this office, since e
> already holds the office of wizard.

Darn, I was hoping to pull another Vynd. :-)

/dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:12:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Wizard

I wrote:
> I am beginning construction of a plunky monkey wrench.

This is completed, and now goes up for public auction
with a minimum bid of A$1.

/dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:13:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Weirdness

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> 
> Then comes Niccolo Flychuck, whose involvment level appears (to me,
> anyway) to be mostly medium-active punctuated with bursts of high
> activity. He did, however, have a three-week vacation last June.

I think I'd pretty much characterize myself the same way. And I will start
another such vacation next week. This is not really by choice. I have
military  reserve duty. 

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:15:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Eleusis

> True to my promise, I'll now volunteer to host the first ever Eleusis game
> and referee it.  Since this will be the first playtest of the rules, I'd 
> like to limit the game to the first four players who wish to play.

I'll play.

/dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:15:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Wizard

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> I wrote:
> > I am beginning construction of a plunky monkey wrench.
> 
> This is completed, and now goes up for public auction
> with a minimum bid of A$1.
> 
> /dev/joe
> 

I bid A$1.

IB
minimalist 

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:16:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Wizard

> > I am beginning construction of a plunky monkey wrench.
> 
> This is completed, and now goes up for public auction
> with a minimum bid of A$1.

I bid A$1.

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:17:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Wizard

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Matt Miller wrote:

> I bid A$1.
I bid A$2.

rufus

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:19:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Wizard

> > I bid A$1.
> I bid A$2.
I bid A$3 on the Plunky Monkey wrench.

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:21:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Wizard

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> > > I bid A$1.
> > I bid A$2.
> I bid A$3 on the Plunky Monkey wrench.
i bid A$20 on the plunky monkey spanner.

rufus

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:26:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Wizard

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, David Scheidt wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
> 
> > > > I bid A$1.
> > > I bid A$2.
> > I bid A$3 on the Plunky Monkey wrench.
> i bid A$20 on the plunky monkey spanner.
I bid A$25 on the Plunky Monkey Wrench

Slascadeo
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - ex-President/still Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:30:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2875

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> 
> And the Voting Gnome is gone. Doesn't that tell you something?

The Voting Gnome is alive and well and lives in the Great Galil where New
Rishonomic is located. E is also the New Rishonomic's Liasion to
Internomic. How do I know it's the same Gnome? Well, the rules say so,
that's how.

Niccolo Flychuck
A player of many chuckles

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:44:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ian K." <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Monkey Wrench Frenzy

> > > > > I bid A$1.
> > > > I bid A$2.
> > > I bid A$3 on the Plunky Monkey wrench.
> > i bid A$20 on the plunky monkey spanner.
> I bid A$25 on the Plunky Monkey Wrench

I bid A$35.

Koxvolio

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:49:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Raquel Peres da Silva" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Trinket

I have just created a trinket as described below:

Name:		Silver Guitar
Description:	It's a guitar, and it's made of silver. (and it's
self-tuneable)
Value:		A$15

Ayla

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:24:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 566 (Joe Java)

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> Joe Java has been selected.
> 
> Clerk of the Courts
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Call For Judgement 566 - April 14, 1998
> Subject: Winning
> Initiator: Alfvaen (sent April 13, 1998, 20:35)
> Judge: Joe Java (selected April 14, 1998, 09:39)
> Judgement: 
> 
> Statement:
> Alfvaen has won a Cycle of Ackanomic.
> 
> Alfvaen's Reasoning:
> As Praetor, I was allowed to describe how Beldin's Pants, the Rule, was
> to be amended.  I stated that as Praetor I was allowed to amend it.  I
> then amended it to create the entity Antxina, whose powers were enumerated
> therein.  Finally, by means of one of those powers I raised my score to the
> Magic Number, winning the Cycle.
> 
> What could be simpler than that?

Fine, yeah, you got a Winning Condition.
But you haven't won the cycle.
IMHO this CFJ is trivially false.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - ex-President/still Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:42:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: 1 in 50 shot.

You never know, this might prove interesting.

I am going to the Library.
I am entering *that* room
*dramatic sting*
I sting dramatically.  This is unregulated, therefore it happens.

Yours,
Slakko

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Year PhD(Pure Maths), CUDipSoc, CUSFS, CUSTS, CURS etc
Acka - ex-President/still Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:58:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Presidential Elections

There are five candidates for the position of President. They are:

Slakko
K 2
The Gingham Wearer
Idiot Boy
/dev/joe

I believe that the rules require that the election lasts for three days. You
may, as ever, reply to vote. Meanwhile, I'll be off doing my campaign
research.

TGW, Count Tabula.

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:49:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Help, help, we're being oppressed!

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Uri Bruck wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:
> 
> > 
> > OK, perhaps I missed something.  As I said earlier, I have not been able
> > to keep up with Acka lately.  As far as I know, the only "ample time" you
> > could mean here was before the changes were made.  The rules as they stand
> Yes. that would have been the Voting Period for the proposal.

Not good enough.  Not in my opinion anyway, and I haven't heard any
arguments as to why I should change it.  There was no guarantee that your
reform proposal would pass.  Based on past performance, it most likely
would have either failed or been retracted, like the many many previous
reform attempts.  Telling me we had ample time to deal with these changes,
when the time you are refering to was before these changes were even made,
is ridiculous.

> 
> > 
> > In another message, you claimed that I was making presumptions about your
> > motives when I implied that your proposal would take away most of Vulcan's
> > entities.  I was not.  I said nothing of your motives.  Under the
> 
> You made an explicit reference to what the proposal is intended to do.
> 

I did nothing of the sort.  I made a reference to what WILL happen if the
proposal passes.  I didn't say anything about what it was intended to do,
let alone what your own personal intentions were in writting it.  I have
already admited that I made the assumption that the new Office and
its powers will actually be used, but you can't honestly claim that there
is some problem with this, can you?

> > Taking your proposal for what it is, not for any supposed intentions
> > behind it, it is harsh and unjust.  It harms Vulcan and Shell #10
> > substantially, and for virtually no gain for Acka.  Compared to other
> > possibilities open to us through proposals, this option looks even
> > harsher.  If Niccolo or anyone else can explain why it is necessary
> > to strip these entities from their owners without giving us any
> > alternatives or compensation, I would be astounded to hear it.
> 
> Nobody is stopping you from proposing an alternative.
> 

I am only waiting until the results of 2849 are posted before I do just
that.  Any advice is welcome.

> 
> Niccolo Flychuck
> 

                                     - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:24:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 565 (Niccolo)

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> 
> Statement: 
> Ackans have no bodies. 
> 
> Initiator's Reasoning:  
> The rules seem not to say.  Heads, yes.  Wings, some of us.  Ears, some of
> us.  What these should attach to is not clear.
> 
> 

Hrm...  Well *I* have a body anyway!  Its a nice one too.  It's about
average size, with all the standard body parts.  And lots and lots of
flesh.  Its not my fault if the rules have thus far overlooked this fact.

                           - Vynd, the only embodied Ackan?

[email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:58:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: The Gingham Telegraph - Presidential Election Special

Contents:

Editorial
Guide to the Presidential  Candidates
What to look for in a presidential candidate
A word from The Gingham Wearer.

Editorial:

In this special Presidential Election issue of The Gingham Telegraph, we aim
to give you a guide to the candidates fir the presidency. We will also
provide you with some of the qualities we at the Telegraph believe you should
be looking for in a president, together with which of the candidates fulfill
these specifications. That way we hope to be able to provide you with the
best possible choice for the presidency of Ackanomic. We will also be
bringing you a brief message from one of the candidates, The Gingham Wearer.

Guide to the Presidential  Candidates:

First off we have Slakko. Slakko was the previous President of Ackanomic and
is hot favourite to return to this position. Joining the game in late October
1997 he is now one of the most active Ackans and has already established a
reputation for being able to respond to any email in about ten minutes and
for paying more attention than most to his points total. He also won the last
cycle of Ackanomic by the hidden agenda rule, despite hot discussion of the
meaning of the word "attribute" and exactly how mis-spellings were corrected.

Next off is /dev/joe, one of the oldest of Acka's citizens, having served as
President a long time ago. He formerly harfed a great deal of the game but
has since become slightly more dormant. He is currently in a more active
phase however currently being Wizard, Justice, and swinger for Vulcan. He is
an evil overlord of Ackanomic (retired) and the only current player to have
won more than one cycle.

A third candidate is The Gingham Wearer, known to his friends as TGW. Again,
one of the most active Ackans and one of only four to currently possess an
edam. E joined Acka early in the morning of November 25th 1997 and remained
dormant for quite some time before coming up to eir current level of
activity. E is currently only three accepted proposals short of gaining a
blue cross and four successful judgements on CFJs away from gaining eir
bronze torch. E appears to be the natural successor to Malenkai in the
campaign against points and anti-voting.

Joining only hours after The Gingham Wearer, K 2 is a candidate who has been
aiming for this position for quite some time, having been a candidate in the
previous two presidential elections, in one of which e managed to garner the
support of no lesser a being than Alfvaen. E is currently fulfilling the
office of Treasure Harfer with aplomb.

Having only recently returned to Ackanomic Idiot Boy was perhaps a bit of a
surprise candidate for this position although it is easy to see em doing well
in the current election. E is one of only two Elders currently living in
Acka, and the only one who is a candidate in this election. Recently returned
after being thought gone for ever (unlike most of the elders it was not even
possible to find eir undead) e has once more filled Acka with eir own blend
of Harf, with actions such as the founding of the organisation SHEEP.

What to look for in a presidential candidate:

The following are a list of various qualities we believe you should be
looking for in a presidential candidate. After each quality we are giving you
the names of all the candidates to fulfill these requirements.

You should be looking for a player who has already proved e is capable of
handling the duties of an important office; someone who has gained an edam.
(TGW, Slakko)

You want a player who is open to change and has recently attempted to repeal
rules. We don't want someone who will be complacent. (TGW, Slakko)

You want a player who knows about all of Acka, including party chess. Vote in
a swinger (TGW, Slakko, /dev/joe)

You want a player who has provide Acka with a new gadget. (TGW, /dev/joe)

You want a player who has brought to Acka a new sub-game to entertain the
populace. (TGW, Slakko, /dev/joe)

You want a player who has had the courage to create an esoteric song for the
ASS (TGW)

You should be looking for a player who will bring a fresh approach to the
presidency and who has not filled it before (TGW, K 2, Idiot Boy)

The ideal president should be one who owns a newspaper to keep Acka up to
date with what's going on. (TGW, Slakko, /dev/joe)

We must try to avoid players who have shown their incompetence in party
politics and instead pick people from Political Parties with three or more
members who are actively voting and able to gain unity votes. Some players
have allowed their parties to crumble to a mere shadow of what they once
were. Do we want this to happen to Acka? (TGW, K 2)

If we are looking for a president we must consider all the candidates'
understanding of harf. A candidate who has had at least three harfy proposals
accepted is who we should be looking for. (TGW)

Any President of Ackanomic should have a good understanding of the Justice
system. We think that only players who have judged at least ten CFJs without
being overturned are suitable for the presidency. (TGW, /dev/joe)

Looking at all these aspects together we can see how many of the criteria
each candidate fulfills (out of a total of 11):

TGW: 11
Slakko: 5
/dev/joe: 5
K 2: 2
Idiot Boy: 1

Thus it is clear from these results that The Gingham Wearer is over twice as
suitable as any of the other candidates for the presidency. The Telegraph
urges you to go out today and vote for The Gingham Wearer.

A word from The Gingham Wearer:

We caught up with The Gingham Wearer, one of the candidates in the
presidential election, and e had this to say, "I note that the candidates
this time really are an eclectic bunch, and I believe that any one of them
would make a fine president. I hope the voters will find it in their hearts
to vote for me, but if not... I just want to wish all the other candidates
good luck, and request a nice clean fight."
We at the Telegraph echo these sentiments.

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