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ackanomic digest         Sunday, April 5 1998         Volume 03 : Number 087

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 03:56:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 553 (TRUE)

I never claimed that they become unowned, or destroyed. I argue that the
rule makes them impossible to be owned by a Party, and therefore they are
no longer owned.
I don't think Slakko's example is quite on the mark either, because back
then it was explicitly stated in the rules that Church property revers to
the Treasury.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> > But the case is not that ownership is being transferred, but that entities
> > are becoming unowned, and thus going into the Treasury.  When Churches
> became
> > Cults(before Cults were given explicit existence by the Rules), their
> > possessions revertedto the Treasury.  I think this is what should happen
> > with Orgs that owned Gadgets.
> 
> I don't really agree here but the rest of you know much more game-custom than
> I do so you're probably right. Although I will point out that rule 500 (IIRC)
> says that entities may only be manipulated as described in the rules. If
> making something unowned isn't manipulation then I don't know what is. As a
> bit of an experiment I make A$100 currently belonging to Alfvaen become
> unowned. As a further experiment I make A$10000 that is currently unowned
> become owned by me. I then create a trinket called "This can't work, can it?"
> valued at A$5000. I believe I may be in the museum at the moment, in which
> case I donate "This can't work, can it?" to the museum. If I'm not there at
> the moment then I'll just have to wait 'till we've all stopped mourning the
> passing of Red Barn.
> 
> TGW.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 04:00:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 553 (TRUE)

On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Uri Bruck wrote:

> 
> 
> I never claimed that they become unowned, or destroyed. I argue that the
> rule makes them impossible to be owned by a Party, and therefore they are
> no longer owned.
> I don't think Slakko's example is quite on the mark either, because back
> then it was explicitly stated in the rules that Church property revers to
> the Treasury.

That wasn't me talking.  People should set their mail readers to put in
the attributions.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 06:28:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Auction Stuff

It appears that the three auctions called on Thursday are now complete.

This is not necessarily official, but it appears to be the correct
results.

Alfvaen's Evil Ballot Stuffer Auction Them Entities Auction:
Bought by Koxvolio for A$60.

two-star's Curious Clock of Uesticlox Handbook trinket (value A$10):
Bought by JT for A$74.

Slakko's Right Handed Grapefruit Juice:
Bought by K 2 for A$5.

Yours,
Slakko
four days left as President
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 07:22:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 553 (TRUE)

> I never claimed that they become unowned, or destroyed. I argue that the
> rule makes them impossible to be owned by a Party, and therefore they are
> no longer owned.

If they are no longer owned by the Party, then *what happens to them*? If
they don't exist anywhere then they have been destroyed, if they exist
somewhere else then they have been transferred. These are the only three
possibilities, and none of them are allowed by the rules. Therefore, we have
to look to precedence.

TGW.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 07:22:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 157 (INVALID)

> Call For Criminal Judgment 147 (March 31)
> Subject: Gumball
> Initiator: K 2 (sent March 30, 1998, 23:53)
> Judge: Illusion (declined)
> Second Judge: Guy Fawkes
> Judgement: INVALID

> An injuction against further chewing is not among the valid suggested
> penalties (although it probably should be), and so this is not a valid
> CFCJ.  The Judge finds this CFCJ INVALID.
> 

I am appealing this judgement. By reasoning is as follows:

CFCJ 155 established the game custom that an invalid suggested penalty does
not invalidate a CFCJ. I shall quote from the Supreme Court's (as was, i.e.
breadbox and ThinMan) reasoning:

"Secondly, the specification of the player in the penalty is
unfortunate, but is, again, certainly no reason to consider the CFCJ
invalid (especially since the Court will be supplying the actual
penalty)."

This is also too interesting to me to see it judged invalid. I want to see
whether my attempt to eliminate this sort of thing was successful. I have a
niggling suspicion that this will be judged TRUE but I hope it will be judged
FALSE, I'm just pretty certain it shouldn't be judged INVALID.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 07:22:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Get a move on Count Tabula

Our Count Tabula seems to be getting a bit forgetful. E should currently be
calling for nominations for Senator and DeeJay. Come on Rufus, I don't want
to have to impeach you, but...

TGW.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 07:22:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 550 (Hubert)

Niccolo Flychuck is deadbeat. The Praetor is also the initiator so this goes
to Hubert.

Clerk of the Courts
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Call For Judgement 550 - March 28, 1998
Subject: Bits of Edam
Initiator: Alfvaen (sent March 28, 1998, 02:14)
Judge: Niccolo Flychuck (deadbeat)
Second Judge: Hubert (selected April 5, 1998, 07:18)
Judgement: 

Statement:

Serving as an Acting Officer counts for the purposes of determining whether
one has received an edam.

Alfvaen's Reasoning:

I'm pretty sure about this, but I'd rather clear it up now just in case.
(I just went through and recounted, and realized I'd skipped the Acting
Officers before.)

Rule 611 states:

   A player receives an edam if e has held five offices (not including
   Capital Offices) since the adoption of this rule, or the most recent
   destruction of a cheese of this type belonging to this player, or the
   players most recent impeachment; whichever is the most recent.

The question is whether an Acting Officer is "holding" an office.  I
believe that Rule 401 reads this way, since it refers with fair consistency
to "holding a seat in an Acting capacity".

However, Section (vi)b) says "When a Player's Term expires, he is no longer
considered to be holding the Office.  The player performs the Office in an
'Acting' role until the Seat is filled..."

So the Rules are slightly ambiguous on the matter.  (Whichever way it is
decided, the CSRR should clear up Rule 401 so it's all one way or the
other, methinks...)

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 07:46:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Get a move on Count Tabula

On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> Our Count Tabula seems to be getting a bit forgetful. E should currently be
> calling for nominations for Senator and DeeJay. Come on Rufus, I don't want
> to have to impeach you, but...

Perhaps this should be a job for the caped crusader.  A quick slap on the
wrist fine, say A$10, and a caution.

I believe that Senate nominations, if they were necessary, have already
been asked for.  DeeJay nominations have not. 
Plus Presidental Nominations will need to be started Thursday or soon
thereafter.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 07:59:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Get a move on Count Tabula

> I believe that Senate nominations, if they were necessary, have already
> been asked for.  DeeJay nominations have not. 
> Plus Presidental Nominations will need to be started Thursday or soon
> thereafter.

I thought that the DeeJay nomination was hard coded in the rules. And, yes, I
have asked for Senate nominations.

TGW.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:25:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Impeaching Alfvaen

> I vote YES IMPEACH HIM! as it may be amusing...
>
> Koxvolio.

I was tempted, but now that someone else has already done it....

I vote against impeaching Alfvaen.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:25:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Infrequent Ackan Volume 1 Issue 17

> These players, with a single harfy acceptance, are: Robert Sevin, Chaos,
> IdiotBoy (welcome back, hope you add to your total), fnord, Narf,
> two-star, Alfvaen, CV1701, Rex Mundi, Slakko, Hubert, Illusion and K 2 ;).

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:25:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)

> 3. I am tweaking the proposal queue. Frobbing it didn't really serve
>

A popular person obviously :)

Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)
Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:36:56 -0500 (EST)

The Harf is back and I want a winter cap.

> breadbox

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:33:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)

On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, K2 wrote:

> > 3. I am tweaking the proposal queue. Frobbing it didn't really serve
> >
> 
> A popular person obviously :)
> 
> Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)
> Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:36:56 -0500 (EST)
> 
> The Harf is back and I want a winter cap.

The Harf is back, here is your cap!

Note to Scorekeeper: 

Apr 05 08:35 EST: +64 K 2: got a winter cap cause the Harf was back

Yours,
Slakko
Harf Mail Tracker
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:49:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The Infrequent Ackan Volume 1 Issue 17

On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, K2 wrote:

> > These players, with a single harfy acceptance, are: Robert Sevin, Chaos,
> > IdiotBoy (welcome back, hope you add to your total), fnord, Narf,
> > two-star, Alfvaen, CV1701, Rex Mundi, Slakko, Hubert, Illusion and K 2 ;).

A correction will be issued in the next issue.
Now, where's that sub-editor? <evil grin>
I want my fact checker to be around too.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:21:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Get a move on Count Tabula

On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> 
> Our Count Tabula seems to be getting a bit forgetful. E should currently be
> calling for nominations for Senator and DeeJay. Come on Rufus, I don't want
> to have to impeach you, but...

Your Count Tabula has been dealing with Real Life, and has had far too
little time to deal with niggling little things like fixing my cars.  I
resign as Count Tabula.

rufus

> 
> TGW.
> 

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:25:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Get a move on Count Tabula

On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, David Scheidt wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Our Count Tabula seems to be getting a bit forgetful. E should currently be
> > calling for nominations for Senator and DeeJay. Come on Rufus, I don't want
> > to have to impeach you, but...
> 
> Your Count Tabula has been dealing with Real Life, and has had far too
> little time to deal with niggling little things like fixing my cars.  I
> resign as Count Tabula.

I'll put my hand up to do the job if breadbox wants to appoint someone, 
but if anyone else gets in before breadbox responds, they should probably
get the job over me.

> 
> rufus

Would you be able to mail any results-in-progress over to the new Count
Tabula?

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:33:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Get a move on Count Tabula

> I'll put my hand up to do the job if breadbox wants to appoint someone,
> but if anyone else gets in before breadbox responds, they should probably
> get the job over me.
>

I would like to perform Count Tabula's duties. Rasing my hand as I say so.... :)

> Would you be able to mail any results-in-progress over to the new Count
> Tabula?
>
> Yours,
> Slakko
> --
> Duncan C. "" Richer aka
> Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
> Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
> Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:40:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Count Tabula Office

> Your Count Tabula has been dealing with Real Life, and has had far
> too little time to deal with niggling little things like fixing my
> cars.  I resign as Count Tabula.

I thank rufus for his work in this office, particularly for taking on
the office so quickly after Malenkai vacated it without warning.

rufus: Please send me all votes you have for the hearings and
elections currently in progress at your soonest convenience
(preferably before I violate Speed).

And someone remind me what elections and hearings still need to be
called? I know, I should have seen this coming, but I didn't.

I am now trolling for players who would like to acquire the title of
Count Tabula, one of the ruleset's worst puns. (Who was responsible
for this one, anyway? I seem to remember it was either snowgod or
Mohammed. I suppose if I was really curious I could go grepping
through the archives...)

breadbox

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:44:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Count Tabula Office

> I am now trolling for players who would like to acquire the title of
> Count Tabula, one of the ruleset's worst puns. (Who was responsible
> for this one, anyway? I seem to remember it was either snowgod or
> Mohammed. I suppose if I was really curious I could go grepping
> through the archives...)
>

K 2, still as interested as e was 5 minutes ago :)

> breadbox

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:46:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Count Tabula Office

On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, K2 wrote:

> > I am now trolling for players who would like to acquire the title of
> > Count Tabula, one of the ruleset's worst puns. (Who was responsible
> > for this one, anyway? I seem to remember it was either snowgod or
> > Mohammed. I suppose if I was really curious I could go grepping
> > through the archives...)
> >
> 
> K 2, still as interested as e was 5 minutes ago :)

Slakko, still interested in you giving it to K 2.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:47:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: K2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Phoebe

While admiring my crime-fighting attire, in a large mirror mounted on the
roof of my abode (an activity made complicated by being able to see
through walls), I noticed from the corner of my eye a small red (possibly
murray) and blue coloured box protruding from under the black plastic on
my left. Fearlessly I slid (there not being enough room to walk) over to
the object, after judicious application of my deep sight to verify that
the object was in fact innocuous).
"Phoebe!", I exclaimed as the match-box slid open.
"Murray", Phoebe nodded in my direction, looking slightly cautious,
"about time you ‘found’ me, I was about to randomly teleport to *’s
house".
"While you're still here then, I have sooo many questions to ask...",
excited at my second visitation by Phoebe, I blurted out:
Is the earth Truly flat?  Should I add Murray stripes to the Chartreuse
Cape? Are homonyms Evil? Did Slakko commit a crime? Is it wrong to
attempt to reshape the earth? Is black a colour? Will a player with wings
ever be able to fly? Do you like my veil? Have you and Ursula truly made
up? Have you forgiven me for last time? Are you really in the Treasury?

To which Phoebe replied "To answer your questions in random order :Yes,
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, No, No, No, No, No."

At which point the officer in charge of random things initiated a
teleport, preventing clarification.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 10:55:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matt Miller <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Count Tabula Office

On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> I am now trolling for players who would like to acquire the title of
> Count Tabula, one of the ruleset's worst puns. (Who was responsible
> for this one, anyway? I seem to remember it was either snowgod or
> Mohammed. I suppose if I was really curious I could go grepping
> through the archives...)
> 
> breadbox
> 

Ermm, I'm afraid I shall have to take responsibility for that one.

IB
puns have feelings, too

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 11:00:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Count Tabula Office

> And someone remind me what elections and hearings still need to be
> called? I know, I should have seen this coming, but I didn't.

Nomination for inventor was currently in progress, and there has also been a
call for a nomination for senator, and I believe there ought to be a
nomination for DeeJay. I think that that's everything, but I'm not sure.

> I am now trolling for players who would like to acquire the title of
> Count Tabula, one of the ruleset's worst puns. (Who was responsible
> for this one, anyway? I seem to remember it was either snowgod or
> Mohammed. I suppose if I was really curious I could go grepping
> through the archives...)

I'd like the job please. And I think I must be immensely dense, because I
hadn't spotted that pun until you mentioned it...

TGW.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 11:25:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)

> > 3. I am tweaking the proposal queue. Frobbing it didn't really serve
> >
> 
> A popular person obviously :)
> 
> Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)
> Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:36:56 -0500 (EST)
> 
> The Harf is back and I want a winter cap.
> 
> > breadbox

All right, I'm starting to feel a bit paranoid here. EVERY SINGLE
winter cap award has been because of me. And it's not as if I generate
that much of the game's email, either, even including my official
stuff. Is just because I have one of the most sparkling personalities
in the game? the coy way I sometimes sign my emails with a single
initial? or are people just trying to flatter me? (Now I can't wait to
see who's going to get a winter cap from *this* missive....)

breadbox

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 11:50:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 558 (K 2)

K 2 has been selected yet again.

Clerk of the Courts
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Call For Judgement 558 - April 5, 1998
Subject: DeeJay
Initiator: Slakko (sent April 5, 1998, 08:40)
Judge: K 2 (selected April 5, 1998, 11:40)
Judgement: 

Statement:
Hubert is the DeeJay.

Initiator's Reasoning:
While Rule 950 states that an Election is held for the Office of DeeJay on
the first of every even-numbered month, it makes no mention of when an
existing DeeJay is removed from Office.  No rule has specified that Hubert
should have been removed from Office on the 1st of April, and Hubert has
not resigned as DeeJay.  Therefore, e remains DeeJay.

I would also note (although this is not part of the CFJ proper) that the
election part of Rule 950 is seriously flawed.  It states an election will
take place, but does not vacate the seats beforehand.  Therefore,
regardless of the result of the election, unless the DeeJay voluntarily
vacates eir office, there will be 0 vacant Seats, and hence no new DeeJay
will be elected.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 11:50:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 158 (Slakko)

Slakko has been selected

Clerk of the Courts
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Call For Criminal Judgment 158 (April 05)
Subject: Disinterest
Initiator: K 2 (sent April 05, 1998, 09:30)
Judge: Slakko (selected April 05, 1998, 11:43)
Judgement: 

Statement:
Hoover 2300 committed the Crime of Disinterest on 4th of April 1998.

Initiator's Reasoning:
using majordomo who command I have verified that Hoover 2300
([email-masked]) is not currently subscribed to the main mailing
list.

>>>> who ackanomic
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by rule 422, this constitutes the Crime of Disinterest iff e is not on
vacation.

Hoover 2300 may have put emself on vacation with the following message
(posted Thu, 02 Apr 1998 18:21:48):
<snip>
I leave the situation

and take a vacation from myself.
<snip>

Taking vacation from 'myself' is not the same as taking vacation from
Ackanomic, however, given the nature of Hoover 2300's posts..... I leave
it up to the judge to decide.

Suggested Penalty:
a SENTENCE in the Gaol of 100 days. - well e is disinterested :)

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 11:50:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 159 (TGW)

The Gingham Wearer has been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
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Call For Criminal Judgment 159 (April 05)
Subject: Tabula
Initiator: K 2 (sent April 05, 1998, 09:38)
Judge: The Gingham Wearer (selected April 05, 1998, 11:47)
Judgement: 

Statement:
rufus committed the Crime of Non-Performance on 30th of March 1998.

Initiator's Reasoning:
On Friday, 13th of March 1998 at 12:41:26 -0500 (EST) rufus announced:
"
It seems that our newly elected senator was a senator already, and can't
hold two seats.  So I am going to call a new nomination.

Reply to nominate yourself.

rufus
Count Tabula
"

This would then constitute the start of the nomination period by rule
402 the nomination period would have ended on 16th of March. By rule 401
e then has 3 days to announce the start of the election (ie 19th of
March). It is now April and rufus has still not performed the Duties
(according to rule 408) of Count Tabula. By rule 701 this constitutes
the crime of Non-Performance.

This would be my suggested penalty:
a slap on the wrist and a 300 word apology in which each word derives
from a different base word.

Suggested Penalty:
A 3 line apology.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 12:20:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gadget

On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> Since there seems to be no limit as to the time that can pass between
> the making of Gadgets(or, for that matter, as to how many Gadgets can
> be constructed at one time, although I could've missed that one), I am 
> beginning creation of a Good Ballot Stuffer.  It will be completed in
> three days from now, about the same time as the Butler auction.

See Part (b) of Section III of Rule 595:

(b) Announcing publicly that a new Gadget of that type is being made.
This cannot be done if the Scientist is already in the process of making a
Gadget.

So it is basically one at a time for Gadget creation (and therefore one
every three days at worst).

HTH.
Yours,
Slakko

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 12:42:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)

On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> > Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)
> > Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:36:56 -0500 (EST)
> > 
> > The Harf is back and I want a winter cap.
> > 
> > > breadbox
> 
> All right, I'm starting to feel a bit paranoid here. EVERY SINGLE
> winter cap award has been because of me. And it's not as if I generate
> that much of the game's email, either, even including my official
> stuff. 

Actually, no.  else...if got a winter cap because of something TGW 
said.  Everyone else, however, has received their cap courtesy of you.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 14:48:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Resorting To Bribery

I am burying the following items as a Treasure:

An Otzma Card Fix My Gadget
A Rock To Wind A String Around
A Magic Radish
The Puzzle Box

I am revealing the following portion of the Map:

If on any prime date after the 10th of the month there exists an Active
Cortex besides The Entity Formerly Known as the Supreme Court, then a
random owner of one such Cortex shall find this Treasure.

Shameless, aren't I?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Bob Newhart
Current Book--Sean Stewart:The Night Watch
Slip me some more of that crimson, Jimson.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 15:11:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka CFCJ 158 (FALSE)

Slakko has judged this one FALSE (and hasn't sent me another mail changing
eir mind).

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Criminal Judgment 158 (April 05)
Subject: Disinterest
Initiator: K 2 (sent April 05, 1998, 09:30)
Judge: Slakko (selected April 05, 1998, 11:43)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:
Hoover 2300 committed the Crime of Disinterest on 4th of April 1998.

Initiator's Reasoning:
using majordomo who command I have verified that Hoover 2300
([email-masked]) is not currently subscribed to the main mailing
list.

>>>> who ackanomic
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37 subscribers

by rule 422, this constitutes the Crime of Disinterest iff e is not on
vacation.

Hoover 2300 may have put emself on vacation with the following message
(posted Thu, 02 Apr 1998 18:21:48):
<snip>
I leave the situation

and take a vacation from myself.
<snip>

Taking vacation from 'myself' is not the same as taking vacation from
Ackanomic, however, given the nature of Hoover 2300's posts..... I leave
it up to the judge to decide.

Suggested Penalty:
a SENTENCE in the Gaol of 100 days. - well e is disinterested :)

Judge's Comments:
The Caped Crusader's foresight in sending me the mailing list is
commendable.  This saves me having to check it myself.  However, there is
also the possibility that Hoover 2300 was on the ackanomic-digest list.  I
am reasonably certain e was not, and so I accept that, if e was not on
vacation, e committed the crime of Disinterest on the date in question.

So, was e on vacation?  E would only not be on vacation if the message
mentioned in the Caped Crusader's reasoning did in fact put Hoover 2300 on
vacation.  So, did it?  

Rule 255 says that a player shall be considered "on vacation" when he or
she makes a public request that he or she desires to go on vacation.
It does not say what kind of vacation must be taken.  "Vacation from
myself" is still a type of vacation.  I think that it is reasonable to say
that "I take a vacation" is a public request of desire to go on vacation.
Game custom has interpreted it as such in the past when people have said
that they would "go on vacation, estimated duration ....".  The "public
request to desire" bit is merely a long-winded way of saying "must say
so".

As the rules only require the player to indicate eir desire to "go on
vacation", and this is not specifically vacation from any entity, I find
that a "vacation from myself" is equivalent to a "vacation from
Ackanomic".

Hence Hoover 2300 was on vacation.

Hence I judge this CFCJ FALSE.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 15:11:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)

> > All right, I'm starting to feel a bit paranoid here. EVERY SINGLE
> > winter cap award has been because of me. And it's not as if I generate
> > that much of the game's email, either, even including my official
> > stuff. 
> 
> Actually, no.  else...if got a winter cap because of something TGW 
> said.  Everyone else, however, has received their cap courtesy of you.

Personally, I like to think that it's because we're so articulate, and have
such large vocabularies that we are almost assured to say any word anyone has
chosen before all that long.

TGW.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 15:11:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 159 (TRUE)

The Gingham Wearer has judged this TRUE.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Criminal Judgment 159 (April 05)
Subject: Tabula
Initiator: K 2 (sent April 05, 1998, 09:38)
Judge: The Gingham Wearer (selected April 05, 1998, 11:47)
Judgement: TRUE

Statement:
rufus committed the Crime of Non-Performance on 30th of March 1998.

Initiator's Reasoning:
On Friday, 13th of March 1998 at 12:41:26 -0500 (EST) rufus announced:
"
It seems that our newly elected senator was a senator already, and can't
hold two seats.  So I am going to call a new nomination.

Reply to nominate yourself.

rufus
Count Tabula
"

This would then constitute the start of the nomination period by rule
402 the nomination period would have ended on 16th of March. By rule 401
e then has 3 days to announce the start of the election (ie 19th of
March). It is now April and rufus has still not performed the Duties
(according to rule 408) of Count Tabula. By rule 701 this constitutes
the crime of Non-Performance.

This would be my suggested penalty:
a slap on the wrist and a 300 word apology in which each word derives
from a different base word.

Suggested Penalty:
A 3 line apology.

Judge's Reasoning:
I agree with the initiator's reasoning as to the fact that rufus comitted the
crime of none performance. However, I'm unsure as to whether e was comitting
the crime on March 30. I was slightly concerned that fourteen day
retroactivity might have caused the game state to "think" that the initial
call was never made but fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your
perspective), it was just within fourteen days. Therefore rufus should have
been distributing the results but wasn't. Therefoe e was comitting the crime
of Non-Performance.

Having decided that e is guilty I have to decide a penalty. Before I do so,
I'll do a bit of Malenkai quoting (a worthwhile pursuit if ever there was
one). Firstly from his reasoning on CFCJ 146:

"CFCJs should be used for 3 things, IMO: harf, strategy, and remedial
action against cheaters.  I'm not sure they are appropriate for
honest mistakes.  Indeed, the initiator did not ask for much in terms
of penalization, but clogging the justice system with this and having
the defendant enshrined in the CFCJ archives is enough penalty; any
further token penalization would be petty."

Next, his appeal reasoning for CFCJ 148:

"I certainly do not understand how this new stand on crime
is "harfy", and why players need to go to Gaol for making
honest mistakes."

I agree with Malenkai's thoughts here. Harfing the game is not easy and we
all ought to be grateful to all those who do it. Not having sufficient time
to continue with this is hardly a crime (well, it is in the Acka sense of the
word, but you know what I mean). It's not as if rufus was maliciously
refusing to publish the results. Using Malenkai's criteria, this is not
harfy, I can't see any strategy in it and it wasn't as if rufus was cheating.

Actual Penalty:
A deduction of 0 points from rufus' score.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 15:37:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CotC web Pages

I have just put up several new web pages.

The Zuriti'ili Guidelines can be found at
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Battlefield/8814/zuriti_ili.htm

The CFJs by player can be found at
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Battlefield/8814/cfjchart.html

The CFJ ineligibility list can be found at
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Battlefield/8814/CFJinel.html

A list of current and recent CFJs can be found at
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Battlefield/8814/CRCFJs.html

I will be putting up a CotC front page and taking over the CFJ archives some
time soon, probably tomorrow. If you see any error with what is already there
then don't hesitate to let me know.

TGW, CotC.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 15:44:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: actions

I am performing the following actions:

I am retracting my IP against Alfvaen.

I am filing an IP against Alfvaen, with intent to remove him from the
Office of Praetor.

I am buying 90 stocks.

GF

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 15:48:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: actions

> I am filing an IP against Alfvaen, with intent to remove him from the
> Office of Praetor.

I vote against this impeachment.

TGW.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 15:51:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Re: Acka: actions

>> I am filing an IP against Alfvaen, with intent to remove him from the
>> Office of Praetor.
>
>I vote against this impeachment.
>
>TGW.

I also vote against this impeachment.

AtP

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:00:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)

>All right, I'm starting to feel a bit paranoid here. EVERY SINGLE
>winter cap award has been because of me. And it's not as if I generate
>that much of the game's email, either, even including my official
>stuff. Is just because I have one of the most sparkling personalities
>in the game? the coy way I sometimes sign my emails with a single
>initial? or are people just trying to flatter me? (Now I can't wait to
>see who's going to get a winter cap from *this* missive....)
	I think mine was on TGW

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:07:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: JT Traub <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: actions

>> I am filing an IP against Alfvaen, with intent to remove him from the
>> Office of Praetor.
>
>I vote against this impeachment.

I vote against this impeachment as well.

I also buy 20 shares of stock.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:08:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: actions

This points out a wee flaw in our present retraction rules.  If someone's
goal (as mine is) is to prevent an officer from exercising a particular
privelege of eir office, that someone can do so indefinitely at the cost
of one point per three days.

GF

On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Guy Fawkes wrote:

> I am performing the following actions:
> 
> I am retracting my IP against Alfvaen.
> 
> I am filing an IP against Alfvaen, with intent to remove him from the
> Office of Praetor.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:10:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: actions

>This points out a wee flaw in our present retraction rules.  If someone's
>goal (as mine is) is to prevent an officer from exercising a particular
>privelege of eir office, that someone can do so indefinitely at the cost
>of one point per three days.
	It might (depending on the judge) qualify as being annoying.

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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