Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #77
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ackanomic digest        Tuesday, March 31 1998        Volume 03 : Number 077

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:34:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2789 accepted

I think they were missing on a couple of other proposals as well.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, K2 wrote:

> > Results of Proposal 2789
> >
> > 13/17 votes: Quorum achieved
> > 10/13 YES votes: Proposal accepted
> >
> >     YES:
> > Guy Fawkes
> > /dev/joe             (Vulcan)
> > Calvin N Hobbes      (Harf)
> > K 2                  (MetaMorph)
> > Slakko               (SPAM)
> > Alfvaen              (MetaMorph)
> > Vynd                 (Vulcan)
> > Niccolo Flychuck     (MetaMorph)
> > rufus                (SPAM)
> > Bonus Vote                              [Niccolo Flychuck used a Bonus Vote]
> 
> Not that it makes any difference, but shouldn't their be a MetaMorph Unity Vote
> in there somewhere :)
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:53:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Departure

  In the following order, I am performing the following actions:

1) Burying all my trinkets, and all my cash (if any) with the following map,
  of which you are all now custodians:
>>>>>
  This treasure and all it contains will be found by the first player to
join the game (Ackanomic) once it has been buried and Red Barn has departed
Acka.  Enjoy, sucker.
<<<<<
  (Actually, I think someone needs to volunteer.  If the registrar would
do so, it would be appreciated.)

2) Calling a politeness moon, a Snowgod's hearing, and a witch hunt on
  myself for this idiotic banna-shaped message.  How do you like THAT,
  Hilda?

3) Leaving the game (resigning as a player).

  Bye.

___Dan_Knapp____The_Mauve_Baron______________________Beep Blip Bonk_______
<[email-masked]><[email-masked]> http://users.bergen.org/~dankna
Visit ftp://ftp.gmd.de/if-archive/ and find out about text adventures!
Great minds think differently.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:17:27 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Gadget

>>>>>
	Before I forget, I suggest that Shell#10 create a silver spaceship.
<<<<<

  Oh, right.  I have two long-standing treasures.  Can I get a volunteer?

___Dan_Knapp____The_Mauve_Baron______________________Beep Blip Bonk_______
<[email-masked]><[email-masked]> http://users.bergen.org/~dankna
Visit ftp://ftp.gmd.de/if-archive/ and find out about text adventures!
Turn on, or I'll boot you downstairs!

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:28:01 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Gadget

>   Oh, right.  I have two long-standing treasures.  Can I get a volunteer?

I hereby volunteer to be Treasure Custodian for any of Red Barn's treasures.
I also nominate em for the Hall of Elders.  You will be missed.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Mark Knopfler & Chet Atkins:The Next Time I'm In Town
Current Book--Jo Clayton:Quester's Endgame
Can I have it all now?

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:30:59 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: Gadget

I second the nomination, though I'm not sure if that's allowed :)

Fortunato

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	[email-masked] [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Tuesday, March 31, 1998 8:28 AM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Re: Acka: Gadget
>
>
>>   Oh, right.  I have two long-standing treasures.  Can I get a volunteer?
>
>I hereby volunteer to be Treasure Custodian for any of Red Barn's treasures.
>I also nominate em for the Hall of Elders.  You will be missed.
>
>
>--
>--Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
>Song In My Head--Mark Knopfler & Chet Atkins:The Next Time I'm In Town
>Current Book--Jo Clayton:Quester's Endgame
>Can I have it all now?

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:55:49 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Stripe Ceremony Deux

> We bear witness to the Blue Cross Bonus, and the value it endows.  This
> brings Alfvaen's Blue Cross Rank to a total of 100.  I therefore have the
> honour of awarding him a Second Gold Stripe.

> Speaker Alfvaen, on behalf of all Acka, I, Slakko, President of Ackanomia,
> present you with this Gold Stripe.  Wear it with pride.

Thank you all.  I would just to say here, as if I recall I have said before,
that I couldn't do this without you, the voters, who voted for my Proposals,
and also all those who provided me with ideas for Proposals, sometimes by
screwing up Rules so they were in need of fixing, or just by not thinking
ahead.  I'm very grateful.

And, of course, all the Tabulators and Promoters, breadbox, Chaos, Malenkai,
and myself, for having made it possible to send out Proposals and have them
voted on in the first place.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--This Mortal Coil:Not Me
Current Book--Jo Clayton:Quester's Endgame
*sigh*  I remember when we used to be nostalgic.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:55:53 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Fortnightly Dividends, Mar 30, 1998

Here are the Fortnightly Dividends that were awarded yesterday at noon(my
apologies for their tardiness):

Score changes used for dividend calculation:
- --------------------------------------------
Alfvaen: -26
Attila the Pun: 41
breadbox: -46
Calvin N Hobbes: -152
Crackfoo: -8
/dev/joe: 7
else...if: 127
Enigma: 10
Fortunato: 1
The Gingham Wearer: -3
Goldenmean: -54
Guy Fawkes: 36
Hoover 2300: 1
Hubert: -23
IdiotBoy: 0
Illusion: -39
K 2: 22
Karma: 9
Niccolo Flychuck: 97
Red Barn: 75
Rex Mundi: -3
Robert Sevin: 1
rufus: -52
Slakko: 57
ThinMan: 14
two-star: 92
Vynd: -10
Wild Card: 27
 
Fortnightly Dividends
- ---------------------
Alfvaen: -13.0  -->  -26/2
Attila the Pun: 41.0  -->  41
breadbox: -23.0  -->  -46/2
Calvin N Hobbes: -76.0  -->  -152/2
Crackfoo: -4.0  -->  -8/2
/dev/joe: 7.0  -->  7
else...if: 127.0  -->  127
Enigma: 10.0  -->  10
Fortunato: 1.0  -->  1
The Gingham Wearer: -1.5  -->  -3/2
Goldenmean: -27.0  -->  -54/2
Guy Fawkes: 36.0  -->  36
Hoover 2300: 1.0  -->  1
Hubert: -11.5  -->  -23/2
IdiotBoy: 0.0  -->  0
Illusion: -19.5  -->  -39/2
JT: 0.0  -->  0
K 2: 22.0  -->  22
Karma: 9.0  -->  9
Niccolo Flychuck: 97.0  -->  97
Red Barn: 75.0  -->  75
Rex Mundi: -1.5  -->  -3/2
Robert Sevin: 1.0  -->  1
rufus: -26.0  -->  -52/2
Slakko: 57.0  -->  57
ThinMan: 14.0  -->  14
two-star: 92.0  -->  92
Vynd: -5.0  -->  -10/2
Wild Card: 27.0  -->  27

#award Alfvaen: -13 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Attila the Pun: 41 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award breadbox: -23 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Calvin N Hobbes: -76 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Crackfoo: -4 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award /dev/joe: 7 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award else...if: 127 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Enigma: 10 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Fortunato: 1 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award The Gingham Wearer: -2 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Goldenmean: -27 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Guy Fawkes: 36 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Hoover 2300: 1 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Hubert: -12 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Illusion: -20 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award K 2: 22 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Karma: 9 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Niccolo Flychuck: 97 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Red Barn: 75 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Rex Mundi: -2 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Robert Sevin: 1 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award rufus: -26 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Slakko: 57 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award ThinMan: 14 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award two-star: 92 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Vynd: -5 A$ : dividend Mar 30
#award Wild Card: 27 A$ : dividend Mar 30

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--This Mortal Coil:Not Me
Current Book--Jo Clayton:Quester's Endgame
Tears and sobs are so passe; it's screams that will prevail.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:55:47 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Agendas

Oh, yes:

I am now submitting a call for agenda submissions.  Also let me know if you
still have any Agenda Hats(I think they were all destroyed, but if someone
was wearing one it might not have been...)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--This Mortal Coil:Not Me
Current Book--Jo Clayton:Quester's Endgame
Maybe it's just the _idea_ of an inflatable rubber starship that bothers me.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:57:14 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Decomposition

The three-month old Undead of norpan has now decomposed.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--This Mortal Coil:Not Me
Current Book--Jo Clayton:Quester's Endgame
I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:24:54 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gadget

> I second the nomination, though I'm not sure if that's allowed :)
> 
> Fortunato

I also approve the nomination of Red Barn to the Hall of Elders, or
whatever we're supposed to do with the nomination. :-)

/dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:37:55 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Departure

> 2) Calling a politeness moon, a Snowgod's hearing, and a witch hunt on
>   myself for this idiotic banna-shaped message.  How do you like THAT,
>   Hilda?

What, no bracket/smiley pedantry hearing?

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:38:29 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Elder Nomination

> I also approve the nomination of Red Barn to the Hall of Elders, or
> whatever we're supposed to do with the nomination. :-)

I too support this (making a total of four I believe).

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:41:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gadget

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> > I second the nomination, though I'm not sure if that's allowed :)
> > 
> > Fortunato
> 
> I also approve the nomination of Red Barn to the Hall of Elders, or
> whatever we're supposed to do with the nomination. :-)

I support Red Barn's induction.

This makes four.

GF

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:57:47 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Change of location

I am leaving the wilds of Ackanomic and going to the museum. I donate fleas
shaking hands. #1 (or whatever the name of the trinket I got when I
reconciled Phoebe and Ursula was) to the private collectors room of the
museum (you know, the one you can get things out of whenever you want). 

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:04:22 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gadget

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> > I second the nomination, though I'm not sure if that's allowed :)
> > 
> > Fortunato
> 
> I also approve the nomination of Red Barn to the Hall of Elders, or
> whatever we're supposed to do with the nomination. :-)
> 
> /dev/joe
> 

yeah, what he said, except double!

                                    - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:20:29 -0500 (EST)
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gadget

>I also approve the nomination of Red Barn to the Hall of Elders, or
>whatever we're supposed to do with the nomination. :-)
>
As do I.

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:52:40 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 157 (Illusion)

Illusion has been selected. This was actually the sort of thing I was trying
to stop with making attempting the impossible legal. I eagerly await the
decission. Also, does anyone else find it ironic that the first CFCJ issued
by the new Caped Crusader is filed against one applicant for the post of Boy
Wonder, and is being criticised by another?

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Criminal Judgment 147 (March 31)
Subject: Gumball
Initiator: K 2 (sent March 30, 1998, 23:53)
Judge: Illusion (selected March 31, 1998, 15:29)
Judgement: 

Statement:
Slakko committed the Crime of Blatant Disregard on 26th of March 1998.

Initiator's Reasoning:
On the 26th of March Slakko was seen attempting to chew The Gumball:

"Today is Thursday, the 26th day of March, the fourth Thursday in the
month, and I am chewing the Gumball.  It has a hint of a Blue Lagoon in
the taste this week - probably a continuation of the cocktail party I
went to last night."

The venerable rule 903 is emphatic on when the moist chewyness of the
gumball may be sampled:
"the gumball"[sic] ... "can be chewed only on" ... "the second and
fourth Wednesdays and the first and third Thursdays of each calendar
month."

The heinous criminal not only puckered up and commenced chewing on the
_fouth_ Thursday, but went as far as to flaunt the fact in the faces of
all law abiding Ackan citizens.

A vile criminal act if ever there was one, but of what type? A player is
guilty of Blatant Disregard according to rule 701, if e "breaks" the
rules. In this instance if a mistimed mastication is not breaking, what
is? (unless of course 'breaking' is a "Weasel Word" ); Clearly a case of
Blatant Disregard for the cherished rules of Acka.

Suggested Penalty:
One four line apology to The Gumball, once a day, for a week and an
injunction on further chewings for a month.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:29:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: P2800

Bravo K2.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:36:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)

> Has the Entity Formerly Known as the Supreme Court (i.e. the Cortex
> consisting of breadbox and ThinMan) simply forgotten about this CFJ,
> or are they deadlocked and unable to reach a decision?  It would be
> nice to know the result.

This one has been entirely my fault. You folks have probably already
noticed that I haven't been as efficient as I used to be. (Yes, there
was a time, for those of you too new to remember.)

I'm in the middle of several time-consuming projects, of which
Ackanomic is but one. I want to apologize for the impact that my
personal life has had upon the game; I'd hoped to avoid that.

Right now I have a bit of breathing space (the eye of the hurricane,
so to speak), so I'm trying to get caught up. The badly-delayed
appeals will be taken care of, and hopefully the bot will be built up
a little from its current skeletal state. (Cross your fingers.)

So, with that in mind:

1. I know that there are errors in the web pages I maintain. People
   have been good about sending me notices when they see something
   that is wrong, but unfortunately I lost some of those notices
   before acting on them. If you know of something in the Rules,
   Proposals, or CFJ pages that is missing or incorrect, I'd
   appreciate it if you could speak up again.

2. Does anyone want to take on the job of harfing the CFJ archives?
   It's the one piece of functional work I do that is wholly
   unconnected to the rest, so I could easily give that away. It isn't
   a big job, but it's a very important one.

3. I am tweaking the proposal queue. Frobbing it didn't really serve
   the purpose I'd hoped for, and it's been that way for far too
   long. Have at it.

breadbox

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:38:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gadget

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Gavin M. Doig wrote:

> >I also approve the nomination of Red Barn to the Hall of Elders, or
> >whatever we're supposed to do with the nomination. :-)
> >
> As do I.

I, too, support eir nomination.

- -Hubert

I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give 
the wrong answers. 

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:47:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gadget

> > >I also approve the nomination of Red Barn to the Hall of Elders, or
> > >whatever we're supposed to do with the nomination. :-)
> > >
> > As do I.
> 
> I, too, support eir nomination.

Count me in.

CnH

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:07:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Where's all my mail?

Hey!

I'm getting withdrawal symptoms down at this end. I got used to not
reading a huge number of messages <grin>. Do we need a big scandal to
get back on the proverbial horse?

This is surprising. The game is essentially the same as always, we still
have the same opportunities for change and innovation. Or is the general
feeling one of status quo? Have we drained the imagination pool and
forgot to fill it back up?

If we need a scandal, what about ties of certain players to the
notorious imperial nomic conspiracy that's reaching its tentacles across
the world?

Perhaps the Slumbering Giants have been slumbering for too long. Let's
rethink Ackanomic and move in bold new directions. To paraphrase Thomas
Jefferson, sometimes a democracy needs to be refreshed by the blood of a
revolution.

Free Ackanomic!
Calvin "more worried than bored" Hobbes

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:18:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Where's all my mail?

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Thierry Joffrain wrote:

> Hey!
> 
> I'm getting withdrawal symptoms down at this end. I got used to not
> reading a huge number of messages <grin>. Do we need a big scandal to
> get back on the proverbial horse?

The proposal queue is now tweaked.  I sense a scandal on the horizon :-)
Seriously, though, I've been trying to get my Blue Cross Rank up as high
as possible lately so I can become a Justice.  When I was restricted to 3
Proposals per week by the frobbing, I naturally selected proposals I
thought would be less controversial, so that they would be more likely to
pass.  Now that that restriction is gone, I will be including more zany
and/or wierd ideas - and hopefully so will other people.  The revolution
awaits.

Yours,
Slakko

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:28:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> 2. Does anyone want to take on the job of harfing the CFJ archives?
>    It's the one piece of functional work I do that is wholly
>    unconnected to the rest, so I could easily give that away. It isn't
>    a big job, but it's a very important one.

If anyone else wants to I'd be happy to let them and I'll update the links
appropriately.  For now, as Web-Harfer, it would be remiss of me not to
take over the job from breadbox.  Don't feel pressured to take on the job
if you don't really want it - I'm happy to see how things go with the
additional workload (which I am assured is not too much).

> 3. I am tweaking the proposal queue. Frobbing it didn't really serve
>    the purpose I'd hoped for, and it's been that way for far too
>    long. Have at it.
Awwww, now the Editor of the Ackan doesn't have anything to complain about
this week :-)

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:34:10 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: B-ack description

I've just about to fully recovered from my close shave with the B-ack and
feel I probably ought to assist the scientists trying to discover its true
nature by penning a brief description of what it looked liked. Here is what I
finally managed to come up with:

The B-ack was a minuscule beast of grandiose proportions. I couldn't make out
any colour on it so I'm presuming it to be predominantly black. Also, whilst
I couldn't make out it's exact shape it did look remarkably like a two sided
mobius strip to me. The most memorable thing about it, though was its
deafening roar. The B-ack is dangerous; I repeat, the B-ack is dangerous. DO
NOT APPROACH!!

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:47:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Where's all my mail?

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Thierry Joffrain wrote:

> If we need a scandal, what about ties of certain players to the
> notorious imperial nomic conspiracy that's reaching its tentacles across
> the world?

And what of it, peon?

> Free Ackanomic!
> Calvin "more worried than bored" Hobbes

Indenture Ackanomic!
- -Hu "Emperor of IN #29" bert

Is it OK to yell "MOVIE!" in a crowded firehouse? 

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:48:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)

> 2. Does anyone want to take on the job of harfing the CFJ archives?
>    It's the one piece of functional work I do that is wholly
>    unconnected to the rest, so I could easily give that away. It isn't
>    a big job, but it's a very important one.

I'll try to do it. I've got my Easter break coming up starting this Thursday
when I'm going to be putting up a clerk of the court's page and hopefully
I'll be able to do them then.

TGW.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:28:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Stefanski <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 157 (Illusion)

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

- ->Clerk of the Courts
- ->-----------------------------------------------------------------------
- ->Call For Criminal Judgment 147 (March 31)
- ->Subject: Gumball
- ->Initiator: K 2 (sent March 30, 1998, 23:53)
- ->Judge: Illusion (selected March 31, 1998, 15:29)
- ->Judgement: 

	I would like to decline judgement of this CFJ.

 *---------------------------------------------------------------------------*
   Andrew Stefanski                                            Motorola LMPS 
              UNRECOVERABLE USER ERROR - Terminating Current User

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:32:57 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 531 (FALSE)

Call For Judgement 531
Subject: Malenkai Win Attempt
Initiator: Malenkai
Judge: Hoover 2300
Judgement: UNDECIDED
2nd Judge: Supreme Court
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:

Malenkai won a Cycle of Ackanomic on February 3rd, 1998.

Initiator's Comments:

Before rule 101 was amended to its current form by proposal 2637, it
said, in part:

> The rules and the game state may only be changed as described in
> the rules.

Rule 500 describes what is and is not an entity. In particular, a
thing is not an entity unless the rules say it is. Thus the game state
was not an entity before proposal 2637 was accepted.

Proposal 2637 did not describe a way to change the game state from
non-entityhood to entityhood, nor has any other rule or proposal. The
fine point here is that the game state may only be changed as
described in the rules; transformation from non-entityhood to
entityhood is a change; and the rules do not (nor did they) describe
the process of this change, therefore it has yet to occur.

This could mean any number of things:

a) The way rule 101 was harfed with the acceptance of proposal 2637,
what it says is false. I find this completely unreasonable. The rules
are true by definition.

b) Proposal 2637 failed in its attempted amendment, and the Rule
Harfer incorrectly represented the effects on the web page. This is
possible, but unlikely, especially when another interpretation
(provided below) exists that allows the amendment to have occurred as
harfed. Moreover, the rules do not really provide a way to discard
this amendment, unless it is ambiguous. It was clear.

c) There is a paradox here for the clever player, or the game has
crashed, in the fact that the game state is not an entity while rule
101 claims it is. While this is possible, (indeed, the rules claiming
the game state is an entity may cause other problems), I believe that
if this is the case, then it really doesn't matter whether or not I
won in fact, because I have in principle (ie, I could waste time with
the other CFJ to cover the crash/paradox case; if true, the game be
unplayable at this point, so what is the point).

There is only one reasonable interpretation of what actually happened
when rule 101 was amended by proposal 2637 that does not wreak havoc
with the above. Before P2637, "game state" meant the complete
collection of all game state variables. Now, it means some entity in
the treasury, but it therefore does NOT mean the complete collection
of game state variables, because we have already proven that that was
NOT changed to entityhood, because the rules did not describe a
process by which it was, in fact, transformed to entityhood.

Given that, a few things become unregulated and unprohibited. In
particular, creation of Swingpoints is now unregulated and thus
permitted (the only thing stopping their unregulated creation before
the fact that the collection of game state variables, of which a
player's Swingpoints is one, could only be changed as described in the
rules; this prohibition no longer exists). I note that this is not
true of A$ and points. The rules explictly prohibit the act of
creating A$, and rule 668 describes a way to change your
score. Fortunately, the rules do not regulate creation and changing of
Swingpoint totals.

Thus, the creation and conversion of all those Swingpoints was
successful, and it gave me enough points for a point win.

Summary:

a) before P2637, the game state can only be changed as described in
the rules. Here, 'game state' has customarily been construed to mean
the complete collection of Acka game state variables.

b) 'game state' is not an entity by rule 500.

c) p2637 claims 'game state' is an entity. However, the rules did not
describe a way to change 'game state' to entity, therefore 'collection
of state variables' did not become an entity when p2637 passed. (A key
point here is that proposals are applied as described in the rules at
the time they are applied, even if the proposal changes those
descriptions. For example, if a proposal created a rule that required
the Rule Harfer to post the string 'xyzzy' everytime e applied a
proposal, e would not be required to post 'xyzzy' when harfing *that*
rule change).

d) after p2637 passed, the prohibition on changing 'collection of
state variables' was removed from rule 101. Some thing in the treasury
now cannot be changed except as described in the rules, but that thing
is not 'collection of state variables'.

e) Many things remain regulated, because those actions are still
described in the rules, or the rules are explicit. This is true of
points and A$, but NOT of Swingpoints.

f) With the prohibition on changing 'collection of state variables'
gone, in the cases where the change is unregulated, as in Swingpoints,
it becomes permitted, by rule 101, thus the creation is done by this
loophole; the conversion and win by traditional rules.

Judge's Comments:

[none]

Supreme Court's Comments:

The initiator argues that the "game state" cannot change, from an
abstraction defined as "the complete collection of all game state
variables" to a full-fledged rule-defined entity, without the rules
explicitly causing such a change. And yet, Rule 101 stated, quite
flatly, that the game state was an entity.

While it is true that Rule 500 states that entities can only be
created or destroyed as the rules specify, Rule 101 clearly and
explicitly takes precedence over Rule 500.

Furthermore, the alternative offered by the initiator - namely, that
the term "game state" must, under the given version of Rule 101, refer
to an entity in the Treasury that is otherwise undescribed by the
rules, runs afoul of the same problem: namely, an entity is being
created when the rules did not explicitly describe such a creation.
This objection therefore fails to lend any preference to the
initiator's offered interpretation.

Given all of this, the Court feels that it is perfectly acceptable and
within the requirements of the rules for the game state, meaning the
completely collection of game state variables, to become an entity.
And Rule 500's objections on the matter are not pertinent. (One could
also argue that it was Rule 104 that actually caused the game state to
change into an entity, since Rule 104 enacted the actual change to
Rule 101's wording. The Court finds this interpretation somewhat
questionable, but for those who would prefer it, Rule 104 also takes
precedence over Rule 500.)

The term game state is not given an explicit definition by the rules,
but it has accrued the above definition through its longstanding
acceptance as part of the rules. A loose parallel can thus be drawn
between this situation and an attempted usage of Malenkai's Loophole,
in that such attempts require the usurped noun phrase to have no clear
prior meaning. This is certainly not the case here.

Given this, the Court believes that there is no reason to believe that
the referent of the term "game state" in Rule 101 changed due to the
amendment of Proposal 2637.

Therefore the game state remained regulated throughout its time spent
inside the Treasury, and Swingpoints could not be arbitrarily created
outside of the processes described in the rules.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:36:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 147 (Guy Fawkes)

Illusion has declined to judge. Guy Fawkes has been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Criminal Judgment 147 (March 31)
Subject: Gumball
Initiator: K 2 (sent March 30, 1998, 23:53)
Judge: Illusion (declined)
Second Judge: Guy Fawkes
Judgement: 

Statement:
Slakko committed the Crime of Blatant Disregard on 26th of March 1998.

Initiator's Reasoning:
On the 26th of March Slakko was seen attempting to chew The Gumball:

"Today is Thursday, the 26th day of March, the fourth Thursday in the
month, and I am chewing the Gumball.  It has a hint of a Blue Lagoon in
the taste this week - probably a continuation of the cocktail party I
went to last night."

The venerable rule 903 is emphatic on when the moist chewyness of the
gumball may be sampled:
"the gumball"[sic] ... "can be chewed only on" ... "the second and
fourth Wednesdays and the first and third Thursdays of each calendar
month."

The heinous criminal not only puckered up and commenced chewing on the
_fouth_ Thursday, but went as far as to flaunt the fact in the faces of
all law abiding Ackan citizens.

A vile criminal act if ever there was one, but of what type? A player is
guilty of Blatant Disregard according to rule 701, if e "breaks" the
rules. In this instance if a mistimed mastication is not breaking, what
is? (unless of course 'breaking' is a "Weasel Word" ); Clearly a case of
Blatant Disregard for the cherished rules of Acka.

Suggested Penalty:
One four line apology to The Gumball, once a day, for a week and an
injunction on further chewings for a month.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:44:28 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gadget

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Thierry Joffrain wrote:

> > > >I also approve the nomination of Red Barn to the Hall of Elders, or
> > > >whatever we're supposed to do with the nomination. :-)
> > > >
> > > As do I.
> > 
> > I, too, support eir nomination.
> 
> Count me in.

me too

> 
> CnH
> 

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:26:25 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Re: Acka: Gadget

>>   Oh, right.  I have two long-standing treasures.  Can I get a volunteer?
>
>I hereby volunteer to be Treasure Custodian for any of Red Barn's treasures.
>I also nominate em for the Hall of Elders.  You will be missed.
>
>
>--
>--Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
>Song In My Head--Mark Knopfler & Chet Atkins:The Next Time I'm In Town
>Current Book--Jo Clayton:Quester's Endgame
>Can I have it all now?

I support this nomination.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:39:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Where's all my mail?

>> If we need a scandal, what about ties of certain players to the
>> notorious imperial nomic conspiracy that's reaching its tentacles across
>> the world?
>
>And what of it, peon?

It's Evil, darling puppet.      ; )

>> Free Ackanomic!
>> Calvin "more worried than bored" Hobbes
>
>Indenture Ackanomic!
>-Hu "Emperor of IN #29" bert

Free Ackanomic!
CnH, Puppet Master

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:36:21 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: That Was Better Than Last Time

Red Barn has to date received 11 nominations for the Hall of Elders,
well in excess of half the number of active players(17, right now),
so e is inducted.  Well done!  This also means you can stop now.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Steve Winwood:Talking Back To The Night
Current Book--Jo Clayton:Quester's Endgame
Reluctant to find he's stuck in the 90's again...

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:48:33 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Micah Smukler)
Subject: Acka: When is a song not a song?

I am going to the library.

And inside, the jukebox roars like thunder.

I am putting A$5 into the banna-shaped slot on the jukebox.

I would like to play "4'23"", by John Cage.

While I'm here, I go into *that* room, just for fun.

AtP

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:57:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: That Was Better Than Last Time

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> Red Barn has to date received 11 nominations for the Hall of Elders,
> well in excess of half the number of active players(17, right now),
> so e is inducted.  Well done!  This also means you can stop now.  :-)

This shouldn't really be a big deal, but as DeeJay, I need to know:
doesn't the induction only happen at the end of the three-day Nomination
period, whether or not e's already got enough votes?

Ooh, things get better: I just got the post from Attila the Pun in which e
went to the Library and played a new Song (if 4'23" can be called a song)
on the ASS. If Red Barn was inducted upon Alfvaen's message quoted above,
then not only does AtP's Song request fail, but eir Location change fails
too.

Unless someone can reassure me as to the validity of the first paragraph
above, we're thread-split.

I also want to make sure that I'm out of the semi-Gaol; I believe I posted
the message saying I was entering *that* room at about 12:30 HST on
Saturday, and it's well over 48 hours from then.  Since I believe this is
my fourth message today, we'll see: if it reaches you, I must be out. :-)

- -Hubert

. . . Go hence, and sin more creatively next time.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:10:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)

In the message titled "Re: Acka: Some notices (was: Swift Justice?)" at
03:36 PM 31-03-98 -0500, breadbox wrote:

> I want to apologize for the impact that my
>personal life has had upon the game; I'd hoped to avoid that.
  ^^^^^^^^
The Harf is back and I want a winter cap.

Calvin N Hobbes
making up for that bankrupting tornado

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:37:40 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: That Was Better Than Last Time

> This shouldn't really be a big deal, but as DeeJay, I need to know:
> doesn't the induction only happen at the end of the three-day Nomination
> period, whether or not e's already got enough votes?

You are correct.  I was just trying to save bandwidth by noting the lack
of necessity for any further nominations.

> I also want to make sure that I'm out of the semi-Gaol; I believe I posted
> the message saying I was entering *that* room at about 12:30 HST on
> Saturday, and it's well over 48 hours from then.  Since I believe this is
> my fourth message today, we'll see: if it reaches you, I must be out. :-)

Well, let's see.  You entered the room at 17:49 EST on Saturday, and
it's past that now.  It was 17:57 EST on Sunday when the Dice Server
message arrived, but that doesn't matter at the moment.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Steve Winwood:Talking Back To The Night
Current Book--Jo Clayton:Quester's Endgame
This sentence would be seven words long if it were six words shorter.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:41:57 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Inventor

I just noticed that two-star is ineligible to hold the Office of Inventor,
so Count Tabula should start a Nomination for Office.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Steve Winwood:Talking Back To The Night
Current Book--Jo Clayton:Quester's Endgame
Drinking heavy water from a stone

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:43:01 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Gadget II

Oh, yeah, now that it's more certain that I'm still Archaeologist(Malenkai
not having won a Cycle weeks and weeks ago), I am, once again, but
successfully this time, going to start building a Butler.  It will be
complete in three days.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Steve Winwood:Talking Back To The Night
Current Book--Jo Clayton:Quester's Endgame
It's not an optical illusion, it just looks like one.

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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:44:49 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Change of location

> I am leaving the wilds of Ackanomic and going to the museum. I donate fleas
> shaking hands. #1 (or whatever the name of the trinket I got when I
> reconciled Phoebe and Ursula was) to the private collectors room of the
> museum (you know, the one you can get things out of whenever you want). 

As Curator of the Museum(I didn't realize that!), I accept the gift into
the private collectors room.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Steve Winwood:Talking Back To The Night
Current Book--Jo Clayton:Quester's Endgame
Each of the supplicants was given his own licorice whip.

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