Subject: ackanomic digest V3 #59
From: [email-masked] (ackanomic digest)
To: [email-masked]

ackanomic digest       Saturday, March 14 1998       Volume 03 : Number 059

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:21:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Gecko Treasure Clarification

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Guy Fawkes wrote:

> It is game custom that all messages sent publically are also sent
> privately to all subscribed to the list.

In that case, what is snowgod's Disease all about?  I realize there is
some difference because snowgod tended to post scam ideas publically, but
I do believe that the fact that I contrasted the request for public
response to the other two problems with the private responses for the
gecko riddle should have made it unambiguous that I wanted solutions
posted only to myself.
We'll see how the PHE I just called on you comes out.  

In the meantime, I have found another fragment of the Lizard Wizard
treasure map (imagine!) among the rubble of my house (it seems that, in
fact, _not_ everybody knows what's in Room 101.)  It (the map fragment)
says something to the effect of "No public post shall ever constitute a
valid guess at the Lizard Wizard part of this Treasure, and no private
post that is not also public shall ever constitute a valid guess at the
Nickname Game or Boop Boop Dupe parts of this Treasure."

I thwap Guy Fawkes.  Then, for good measure, I thwap myself.  Thwapping is
still not regulated by the Rules, so this happens.

I apologize to the Treasure-Harfer for the demodularization of all the
clues to this problem.  I hope e can handle it.

So far, /dev/joe is the only player to have made a guess at this treasure
that could have been considered valid given the above.  His were almost
identical to the fourth-gecko and the spherical-surface guesses that
breadbox posted publically about five minutes later.

- -Hubert

Sex on television can't hurt you unless you fall off. 

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:33:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New Imperial Nomic announcement

If you beings don't mind, I would like to waste your bandwidth long enough
to announce that I have started a game of Imperial Nomic which should,
eventually, become Imperial Nomic #29 under the W.I.N.A.  It hasn't really
been going long enough to develop any one 'theme' yet (although there seem
to be two factions with distinct and opposite viewpoints as to the
necessity of an Emperor) unless, I suppose, rampant masochism could be
considered a theme.

In any case, any player of Acka (and, indeed, any non-player of Acka) is
welcome to join and/or observe.  Please e-mail me (privately :-)) with
your intent if you so choose.  The web address of De Imperial Nomic is

http://www2.hawaii.edu/~plumb/acka/in.html

- -Hubert

Sex on television can't hurt you unless you fall off.

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:21:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gecko Treasure Clarification

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Hubert wrote:

> I thwap Guy Fawkes.  Then, for good measure, I thwap myself.  Thwapping is
> still not regulated by the Rules, so this happens.

I sneer at Hubert.  Sneering _is_ regulated by the Rules, but falls under
the category of entity manipulation that has no meaningful effect on the
game state, so this happens.  :)

GF 

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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:54:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Church Founding

Four days have passed, and those who shall stand up as champions
against the loophole horde have spoken.  Thus, I found a Church.

Its name is the Order of the Righteous Loophold Surfers.
Its Founder is Guy Fawkes.
Its members are Guy Fawkes, Rex Mundi, /dev/joe, else...if, and rufus.
Its Church Dogma is the conversation between the Prophet and the Golden
Frog revealed to Acka through me on Monday.

Guy Fawkes 

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:24:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Departure

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, David Scheidt wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Hubert wrote:
> 
> > > What would people say to giving a party (n-2) unity votes if such a number
> > > is positive, whenever all its members vote YES?
> > 
> > Ouch.  We've had 7-member parties at times, am I not correct?  How about
> > n/2 rounded down, as long as n>=3?
> 
> yes I like  that better.
> 
> rufus

Isn't that what they are getting now?

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:24:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gecko Treasure Clarification

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Guy Fawkes wrote:

> I sneer at Hubert.  Sneering _is_ regulated by the Rules, but falls under
> the category of entity manipulation that has no meaningful effect on the
> game state, so this happens.  :)

I'm tempted to call a Politeness Moon hearing, but I'll let it rest. :-)

Just to inform the rest of you, /dev/joe has submitted to me a correct
answer to the gecko riddle.  However, e has not yet found the Treasure to
which it pertained, so I must assume that either that is one of the
invalid portions of the map as per the fourth clue, or it does not
constitute the entire map and at least one of the other clues is
still unfulfilled by em.

- -Hubert

The glass isn't half empty *or* half full. It's just twice as big as it 
should be.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:24:58 -0500 (EST)
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Gecko Treasure Clarification

The frontmost gecko was lying.

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:30:00 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: ambassador election results

The results of the Ambassador election are as follows:

voting for K 2:  Alfvaen, Slakko, K 2
voting for Guy Fawkes: Guy Fawkes, hibert, Vynd Vynd's EBS, TGW , Red Barn

So Guy Fawkes is our new ambassador to InterNomic.  

rufus 
Count Tabula

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:30:11 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New treasure

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Hubert wrote:

> 
> > As for the Lizard treasure:
> > 
> > There was mirror in front of the three geckos.
> 
> I am calling a Public Health Emergency against Guy Fawkes for this 
> message; e is obviously infected with snowgod's Disease.

I am now calling the hearing.  Reply to vote, voting lasts three days.
Valid responses are 
 "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!"
 and "No, e, uh, meant to do that."

rufus
Count Tabula

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:30:22 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New treasure

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Hubert wrote:

> > 
> > There was mirror in front of the three geckos.
> 
> I am calling a Public Health Emergency against Guy Fawkes for this 
> message; e is obviously infected with snowgod's Disease.
> 
> Valid responses, which should go to Count Tabula if I read Rule 1123
> correctly, are "Yes, why just yesterday e posted a letter to eir aunt!"
> and "No, e, uh, meant to do that."

Valid responses go to Count Tabula after Count Tabula calls the snowgod's
disease Public Health Emergency, which is a type of hearing.  Count Tabula
hasn't yet done that, so I think what Hubert is doing is encourage other
players to spam Count Tabula with nonsense messages, which ought to be a
Crime, or at least a thwappable offense. 

Rufus

> 
> Hint: Don't reply to this message unless you want one called against you.
> 
> -Hubert
> 
> Sex on television can't hurt you unless you fall off. 
> 

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:34:21 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Missing messages

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
> 
> > On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:
> > 
> > > First off, when was the message from the dice server? I don't recall
> seeing
> 
> > about 10  minutes after I posted the voting results.
> 
> Are you sure about this? I've been back and looked and I can't find this
> anywhere. Is this just me? Did other people see this? Is email to my address
> bouncing, breadbox?
> 
> TGW.
> 

I don't see this message around anywhere either.  I also never recieved
any message about a treasure involving geckos, which apparently most
everyone else did get.  So I guess I'm wondering if there is some sort of
problem, as well.

                                   - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:36:08 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New treasure

> Valid responses go to Count Tabula after Count Tabula calls the snowgod's
> disease Public Health Emergency, which is a type of hearing.  Count Tabula
> hasn't yet done that, so I think what Hubert is doing is encourage other
> players to spam Count Tabula with nonsense messages, which ought to be a
> Crime, or at least a thwappable offense. 

In that case, I thwapp Hubert. And just for good measure I thwapp myself as
well, for the message that started all this. Someone please call a public
health emergency on me. I need it.

TGW.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:36:15 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: senate election results

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, David Scheidt wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Results of the recently concluded senate election are as follows:
> > 
> > voting for Vynd:  /dev/joe, Hubert, Vynd, Vynd's EBS, Robert Sevin,
> > ThinMan, ThinMan's EBS
> > 
> > for Rex Mundi:  Alfvaen, Slakko, Rex Mundi, Rex Mundi's EBS
> > 
> > TGW:  TGW, else...if, else...if's EBS, Hibert
> > 
> > Illusion:  
> > 
> > So Vynd is our newest senator.  
> 
> He is an existing senator as well (seat Sinecure 33).
> So e cannot hold this seat, as Rule 401 states that no player may hold
> more than one seat for a given office.
> 
> So this seat is obviously vacant and a new set of nominations must be
> held.

Hehehehe.  I was wondreing if anyone would bother to notice before the
election was concluded that I wasn't a legal candidate.  If you hadn't
said something Slakko, I was going to explore the possibilities of the 14
day limit...

In any event, we might want to consider doing, um, SOMETHING, with the
Senate.  We could eliminate it, or we could give it more duties so that
people might actually pay a LITTLE bit more attention to it in the future.

                                    - Vynd

[email-masked]

> 
> Yours,
> Slakko
> -- 
> Duncan C. "" Richer aka
> Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
> Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
> Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:37:00 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Ackanomicon Determination

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# Player: ThinMan
# Ackanomicon determination
# based on the following (using a 50 sided die):
# 1 -15: arcane trivia
# 16-20: vile prophecies
# 21-25: inner workings
# 26-30: arcane lore
# 31-33: terrorizing pages
# 34-34: ancient artifact
# 35-36: mutation
# 37-38: dark domain
# 39-39: the secret
# 40-41: long lost treasure
# 42-43: doomsday
# 44-44: forbidden fruit
# 45-45: catastrophe
# 46-49: not so forbidden fruit
# 50-50: ancient one
# Alfvaen

No. of sides on every die:     50
No. of dice for every roll:     1
No. of dice rolls requested:    1
No. of rolls per line:          1

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> Reply-To: [email-masked]
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> 
> 
> #P [email-masked]
> #S 50
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> #T Acka: Ackanomicon Determination
> 
> #C Player: ThinMan
> #C Ackanomicon determination
> #C based on the following (using a 50 sided die):
> #C 1 -15: arcane trivia
> #C 16-20: vile prophecies
> #C 21-25: inner workings
> #C 26-30: arcane lore
> #C 31-33: terrorizing pages
> #C 34-34: ancient artifact
> #C 35-36: mutation
> #C 37-38: dark domain
> #C 39-39: the secret
> #C 40-41: long lost treasure
> #C 42-43: doomsday
> #C 44-44: forbidden fruit
> #C 45-45: catastrophe
> #C 46-49: not so forbidden fruit
> #C 50-50: ancient one
> #C Alfvaen
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:38:28 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Raft

Hubert has found the Great Raft of Ackanomic.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Andrew Cash:Time And Place
Current Book--Ann Marston:The Western King
The housemate prefers ironing to washing up.  They have many flat forks.  -jsam

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:38:56 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Missing messages

On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:

> 
> I don't see this message around anywhere either.  I also never recieved
> any message about a treasure involving geckos, which apparently most
> everyone else did get.  So I guess I'm wondering if there is some sort of
> problem, as well.

I got two copies of it, so I assumed one was from the list.  I will check
headers.  Muppetlabs.com was unreachable since at least 8:00 acka time
today, untill just a few minutes ago.  It is possible they were having
mail problems before this.  breadbox will have to tell us.  the gecko
message most certainly made the list.

rufus
xy

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:39:06 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Phoebe

Illusion has found Phoebe again.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--The Beautiful South:Welcome To The Beautiful South
Current Book--Robert Charles Wilson:The Harvest
E is for Ernest who choked on a peach, F is for Fanny, sucked dry by a leech.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:39:18 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: *ping*

> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Hubert wrote:
> > Hmmm... I never noticed before... the curious link between "Wayne's World"
> > and "Halloween"...

> You never noticed that they were absolutly awful movies?

What!  Impugning the name of Wayne?  And I don't mean Elder Wayne here,
either!  If I wasn't in a Duel already...

(Sometimes I wonder--am I the most easily offended Ackanomian?  Or just
overly fond of Duels?)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--The Beautiful South:Welcome To The Beautiful South
Current Book--Robert Charles Wilson:The Harvest
Mother Very Easily Made a Jam Sandwich Using No Peanuts, Mayonnaise or Glue.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:39:32 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Church Founding

> Four days have passed, and those who shall stand up as champions
> against the loophole horde have spoken.  Thus, I found a Church.

> Its name is the Order of the Righteous Loophold Surfers.

Can I consider this an unambiguous spelling mistake?  :-)

> Its Founder is Guy Fawkes.
> Its members are Guy Fawkes, Rex Mundi, /dev/joe, else...if, and rufus.
> Its Church Dogma is the conversation between the Prophet and the Golden
> Frog revealed to Acka through me on Monday.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--The Beautiful South:Welcome To The Beautiful South
Current Book--Robert Charles Wilson:The Harvest
Straw?  No, too stupid a fad.  I put soot on warts.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:39:44 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Departure

> Isn't it odd that Harf is now the largest political party (the once mighty
> SPAM being reduced from 7 to 3 members and the Razor Boomerangs dropping back
> to 3 with the departure of Hachiman) and yet three of its four members are
> non voting? That said though Robert Sevin has actually been quite active as
> of late (6 messages in the past 5 days and voting in at least one (that I
> saw) of the recent elections). Are you going to be rejoining us soon Bob?

Ummm...I hope that Count Tabula was aware that Non-Voting players are not
allowed to vote in elections and hearings either...?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Thompson Twins:Tokyo
Current Book--Robert Charles Wilson:The Harvest
Friends help you move.  Real friends help you move bodies.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:39:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Downtime

Well, we experienced a fair bit of downtime, as some of you may have
already theorized. The machine that is muppetlabs.com chose to wedge
up yesterday evening, roughly two hours after everyone had left for
the day. (Friday the 13th, ominously enough.) We just got someone to
come in and coax the poor thing back to life.

We apologize for the inconvenience.

breadbox

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:39:56 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: acka: hats

> > > Are we supposed to be submittinjg agenda hats now?

> > I don't think we currently know for certain who the Illuminatus is. Alfvaen
> > and myself both received the same number of votes.

> Because you didn't vote for yourself.  Makes those of us who did, wonder a
> bit.  The pbm.com dice server picked Alfvaen.  Do I need to anounce him
> the winner, or is the dice server enough? or does the speaker need to
> announce it.

It does help for you to announce it, since the dice server results don't
seem to have shown up on a public Ackanomic mailing list.  We trust you,
though.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--The Beautiful South:Welcome To The Beautiful South
Current Book--Robert Charles Wilson:The Harvest
If you sugarcoat a frog, I'm still not going to put it in my mouth.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:40:23 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Fromage

> > TGW currently holds at least 6 distinct offices - I think e is now
> > entitled to some kind of cheese.

> 6 offices? How do you work that one out? I only count four at the moment.
> Treasure Harfer, Clerk of the Court, CSRR and Swinger for Klingon. I'm also
> Harfmeister, but I don't think that counts as an office and I think I lost
> the office of boy wonder when else...if was removed from the office of Caped
> Crusader. I still think I'm eligible for a cheese though (and had already
> pointed this out to Alfvaen :-) though, because I have held five offices
> since my last impeachment ('cause I've never been impeached...)

And as I pointed out to TGW, Boy Wonder is not an Office, but a "position".

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--The Beautiful South:Welcome To The Beautiful South
Current Book--Robert Charles Wilson:The Harvest
I had my brain digitized.  The digit was 0.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:40:35 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: acka: hats

> > > Besides, the Illuminatus is allowed to initiate a call for Agenda
> > > Hats if no such call has previously occurred this cycle.  While two-star
> > > forgot to do anything about the hats (not even releasing the results when
> > > e resigned), e still made the call, and hence we must wait for 90 days to
> > > elapse during this cycle, or for a new cycle to begin, before Agenda Hats
> > > can once again be submitted.

> > oh.  that a bug or a feature?

> A misfeature.  The 90 days was a compromise to ensure we couldn't go too
> long without agenda hats.  The lack of two-star's response on the matter
> of agenda hats is something we can't do anything about.

Well, there is another option, somewhat like that which would occur
when the Clerk of the Courts office moves on.  If I submit a CFJ to the
Clerk of the Courts, and then e resigns, I believe that it is legal for
the _new_ Clerk of the Courts to distribute it.  It was submitted to
"the Clerk of The Courts", after all.

If so, then if two-star could forward the submitted agenda conditions to
me, then I could announce them and start the voting.

Otherwise, anyone who wants to hasten the agenda process can try to help
me win a cycle...:-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--The Beautiful South:Welcome To The Beautiful South
Current Book--Robert Charles Wilson:The Harvest
Every baron has his own special fantasy.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:40:47 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: acka: senate election results

> > He is an existing senator as well (seat Sinecure 33).
> > So e cannot hold this seat, as Rule 401 states that no player may hold
> > more than one seat for a given office.

> > So this seat is obviously vacant and a new set of nominations must be
> > held.

> ick.  I think that today is out to get me.  I have tried to drink three
> cups of coffee, out of three defective -- in three different ways-- coffee
> cups.  I didn't really like this shirt, or these pants anyways.

Actually, I believe that no new nomination need be held.  A nomination
_has_ been held, but Count Tabula merely hasn't publicly reported the list
of eligible volunteers.  He reported a list which included an ineligible
volunteer, Vynd.

I am presuming that Rule 401's clause that "No player may hold more than
one seat for a given office" can thus be interpreted to say that holders
of other seats of a vacant office are ineligible for that seat, despite
not using the magic word in question.  It's not capitalized or anything,
so we can consider it to have its normal meaning, right?

Anyway, we only need to hold the vote again.  And this time maybe
somebody should pay attention to the list.  (I know I wasn't.  And I
_knew_ that Vynd was a Senator...)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--David Johansen:Sweet Revenge
Current Book--Robert Charles Wilson:The Harvest
Who needs drugs? I go broke buying Science Fiction!

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:41:28 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Church Founding

On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> > Four days have passed, and those who shall stand up as champions
> > against the loophole horde have spoken.  Thus, I found a Church.
> 
> > Its name is the Order of the Righteous Loophold Surfers.
> 
> Can I consider this an unambiguous spelling mistake?  :-)

prolly dnot.

rufus

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:42:20 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Departure

On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> > Isn't it odd that Harf is now the largest political party (the once mighty
> > SPAM being reduced from 7 to 3 members and the Razor Boomerangs dropping back
> > to 3 with the departure of Hachiman) and yet three of its four members are
> > non voting? That said though Robert Sevin has actually been quite active as
> > of late (6 messages in the past 5 days and voting in at least one (that I
> > saw) of the recent elections). Are you going to be rejoining us soon Bob?
> 
> Ummm...I hope that Count Tabula was aware that Non-Voting players are not
> allowed to vote in elections and hearings either...?

I couldn't find something that supported this, and i spent some time
looking.

rufus

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:46:43 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: Otzma Card Probabilistic Determination

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# ThinMan's Arcane Lore from the Ackanomicon
# Results of Probabilistic Otzma Card Creation
# 1-9 - Go Fish
# 10-12 - Map Shard
# 13 - Summon Tornado
# 14-16 - Untouch Me
# 17-19 - Share My Expenses
# 20-22 - Share Your Income
# 23-25 - Swinging Sale
# 26-28 - Tactical Retreat
# 29-31 - Paratroop
# 32-34 - Foul Fowl
# 35-37 - TruthSeeker
# 38-40 - Fix My Gadget
# 41-43 - Scientist for a Day
# 44-46 - Art Thief
# 47-49 - Skeleton Key
# 50-52 - Grave Robber

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> #C 1-9 - Go Fish
> #C 10-12 - Map Shard
> #C 13 - Summon Tornado
> #C 14-16 - Untouch Me
> #C 17-19 - Share My Expenses
> #C 20-22 - Share Your Income
> #C 23-25 - Swinging Sale
> #C 26-28 - Tactical Retreat
> #C 29-31 - Paratroop
> #C 32-34 - Foul Fowl
> #C 35-37 - TruthSeeker
> #C 38-40 - Fix My Gadget
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:48:13 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: illuminatus dice results

I misspeeled [email-masked], so the results never got to the
list.  sorry.  I will repost them if anyone is into checking the pgp sigs

rufus

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:49:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Gallery

I've just been updating the portrait gallery and realised to my horror that
there are now more former players with pictures than current players due to
the recent departures of Balsamic Dragon and Michael Wren. Could all those
without pictures consider submitting one. If any of the newer players don't
know of the portrait gallery then take a look at it. It is linked to from the
players part of the main Acka page.

TGW, assistant web-harfer.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:49:17 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CSR

I am using my power as CSRR to issue the following Common Sense Report as
delimited by MY MISTAKE:

MY MISTAKE
Modify rule 1250.19 (Word un-association) to replace:

" If e fails to do so within three days of the start of the round then e
loses three gamepoints and the round ends immediately. 

All Confused must then try to find a word to link the original word and the
announced word."

with:

"If e fails to do so within three days of the start of the round (that is,
when the referee announces the results of the previous round) then e loses
three gamepoints and the round ends immediately. 

All Confused must then try to find a word to link the original word and the
announced word and post it to the referee."
MY MISTAKE

TGW, CSRR.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:51:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2775

Alfvaen wrote:

<lots of stuff wrong with this proposal of mine snipped>

> TGW, you are the CSRR, so get some practice at looking for the kind of
> mistakes you should fix...:-)

Ahh yes, but I wasn't when I submitted that proposal. Actually, I can see
myself fixing quite a lot of my own rules with CSRs; ironic really. I seem to
have an amazing talent for creating bugged rules. For now though I'll retract
this and spend a bit longer working on a proper version (if this is ambiguous
then I retract proposal 2775). In fact, I've already authored a CSR making
the necessary change to word un-association. Now all it needs is for my ISP
to decide to try resending it to Muppetlabs; I got one of those "unable to
send for four hours, will carry on trying, no need to resend" messages...

TGW
CSSR and author of many bugged proposals (it's a talent, really it is :-)).

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:54:52 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Departure

> > Ummm...I hope that Count Tabula was aware that Non-Voting players are not
> > allowed to vote in elections and hearings either...?

> I couldn't find something that supported this, and i spent some time
> looking.

I apologize.  Apparently there is nothing to prohibit non-voting players
from voting in Elections, but the Hearings rule excludes them from voting
unless specifically enabled by the specific Hearing.

Frankly, I can't think _why_ non-voting players should be able to vote in
elections if they can't on Proposals or in Hearings...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Chumbawamba:Tubthumper
Current Book--Ann Marston:The Western King
Purity is not quantifiable.  It _is_ inflatable.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:55:23 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Discovery

> > 1. The GBS casts a vote for all harfy proposals currently in the voting
> > queue.
> 
> What kind of vote?  The same as the owner?  The way it's worded here, I'd
> almost suspect it casts a random vote.  Which could, in all actuality, be
> pretty fun.
 
A vote FOR all the harfy proposals.

> > 4. The game state is changed such that any player who posts a public
message
> > in the next week that does not contain the word "harf" (or a derivative
of
> > it) shall lose one point for every such message.
> 
> I LIKE this.  But how to prove that, for example, "xanthelasmoidea" isn't
> a derivative of "harf?"

Hmm, good point. Although if you get "xanthelasmoidea" into a public message
then you don't really deserve to loose any points,

TGW.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:57:42 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Discovery

On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Tom Walmsley wrote:

> 
> Hmm, good point. Although if you get "xanthelasmoidea" into a public message
> then you don't really deserve to loose any points,

is x....a a real word ?
`a

rufus

> 
> TGW.
> 

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:57:42 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Non-Voting Players

And just after I send off my other message, I find it hidden here in Rule
402(ii)d).  "...Each _voting_ player may cast one vote for any one of the
Nominees by so notifying the appopriate Officer".  Thus non-voting players
are excluded.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Chumbawamba:Tubthumper
Current Book--Ann Marston:The Western King
No, I'm not an elitist.  Why do you ask, peasant?

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:58:16 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Departure

zOn Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> I apologize.  Apparently there is nothing to prohibit non-voting players
> from voting in Elections, but the Hearings rule excludes them from voting
> unless specifically enabled by the specific Hearing.
> 
> Frankly, I can't think _why_ non-voting players should be able to vote in
> elections if they can't on Proposals or in Hearings...

Neither could i. but rules is rules...until they change on you...

ruufs

> 
> 
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Current Album--Chumbawamba:Tubthumper
> Current Book--Ann Marston:The Western King
> Purity is not quantifiable.  It _is_ inflatable.
> 

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:01:46 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Non-Voting Players

On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> 
> And just after I send off my other message, I find it hidden here in Rule
> 402(ii)d).  "...Each _voting_ player may cast one vote for any one of the
> Nominees by so notifying the appopriate Officer".  Thus non-voting players
> are excluded.

See, I told you they change when you don't look

> 
> 
> -- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ ) 
> Current Album--Chumbawamba:Tubthumper Current Book--Ann Marston:The
> Western King No, I'm not an elitist.  Why do you ask, peasant? 
> adfa

my keyboard is possesed!!!!

rufus

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:03:48 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Discovery

> > Hmm, good point. Although if you get "xanthelasmoidea" into a public message
> > then you don't really deserve to loose any points,

> is x....a a real word ?
> `a

Unless it's "xanthelosmoidea".  Which likes right to me, but then so did
"exhilirate" until a few years ago.  I think I got it for one of the
four-word stories on my web page.  "God Years", I think.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Chumbawamba:Tubthumper
Current Book--Ann Marston:The Western King
The other day I went to the stationery store...but it had moved.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:03:58 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Discovery

> > Hmm, good point. Although if you get "xanthelasmoidea" into a public
message
> > then you don't really deserve to loose any points,
> 
> is x....a a real word ?

Not to my knowledge. Although remembering Slakko's agenda win I seem to
recall that the consensus was reached that any string of letters that was a
part of a sentence was a word, so in that sense then it must be.

TGW.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:06:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Non-Voting Players

From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>

> See, I told you they change when you don't look

Err, Rufus, you do know that rule 1129 only applies for the first three weeks
after you join don't you?

TGW.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:46:20 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Departure

> > > Ouch.  We've had 7-member parties at times, am I not correct?  How
about
> > > n/2 rounded down, as long as n>=3?
> > 
> > yes I like  that better.
> > 
> > rufus
> 
> Isn't that what they are getting now?

No, currently it's n/3 rounded down. Currently a six player unity vote gets
two extra votes but with this it would change to three.

TGW.

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:08:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Church Founding

On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> > Its name is the Order of the Righteous Loophold Surfers.
> 
> Can I consider this an unambiguous spelling mistake?  :-)

Who are you, who would call the mysteries of the righteous a mistake?
Guy Fawkes

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:17:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New treasure

On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, David Scheidt wrote:

> Valid responses go to Count Tabula after Count Tabula calls the snowgod's
> disease Public Health Emergency, which is a type of hearing.  Count Tabula
> hasn't yet done that, so I think what Hubert is doing is encourage other
> players to spam Count Tabula with nonsense messages, which ought to be a
> Crime, or at least a thwappable offense. 

Terribly sorry.  I thwap myself, then for good measure, bonk myself with
rufus' D'oh! trinket.  Neither is regulated by the Rules, so both happen.

- -Hubert

God is love. Love is blind. Therefore, Ray Charles is God. 

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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:27:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Discovery

On Sat, 14 Mar 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> Unless it's "xanthelosmoidea".  Which likes right to me, but then so did
> "exhilirate" until a few years ago.  I think I got it for one of the
> four-word stories on my web page.  "God Years", I think.

Alfvaen could very well be right; the Official Dictionary found no word
matching either my spelling or eirs.  I got it from an old Bloom County
cartoon, and liked it better than "antidisestablishmentarianism" and other
similarly obfuscated words.

- -Hubert

God is love. Love is blind. Therefore, Ray Charles is God. 

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