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ackanomic digest         Monday, March 9 1998         Volume 03 : Number 054

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 02:11:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: resignation

On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:

> Well, I've given it some thought, and I've decided to resign from the
> office of CSRR.  I'm afraid I was never quite as active in that post as
> some people hoped, and since my time is rather scarce these days, its
> probably best if I hand it over to someone else.  Whoever ends up with the
> job, just ask me and I will provide you with a list of any changes I or
> others ahve suggested that haven't been enacted so far.

I am now opening Nominations for the Office of Common Sense, Redundancy
and Redundancy.

Yours,
Slakko
acting CSRR for now.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 10:21:42 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Actions

Well, work is getting incredibly hectic, and I don't think I have time
to play the full version of Acka anymore :(.  Hopefully, I'll be back
soonish, once I get settled.

I remove myself from SPAM (you might want to call it SPUV - Society for
the Prevention of Unity Votes :))

I change my status to non-voting.

I read the next page of my Spell Book of Chorg.  It vanishes in a bright
ochre flash, with mauvish-chartruese overtones.

Obviously, I'll still be doing GAD, don't worry :)

- ------------------
Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
- ------------------

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 12:30:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Poet Laureateness

> No matter where I am next year,
> I know the game will be right here.

Nice poem. I just hope this last bit doesn't mean you have any immediate
plans to leave us.

TGW.

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 12:30:05 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: resignation

> I am now opening Nominations for the Office of Common Sense, Redundancy
> and Redundancy.

I nominate myself, but please only select me if there's no-one else who wants
it.

TGW.

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 13:00:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: resignation

> > I am now opening Nominations for the Office of Common Sense, Redundancy
> > and Redundancy.
> 
> I nominate myself, but please only select me if there's no-one else who
wants
> it.

Oops. Looks like that snowgod's disease is spreading. Sorry.

TGW.

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:13:02 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 544 (FALSE)

Rex Mundi has returned a verdict of FALSE.

Clerk of the Courts
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Call For Judgement 544 - March 06, 1998
Subject: Selling Stocks
Initiator: else...if  (sent March 05, 1998, 17:58)
Judge: Rex Mundi  (selected March 06, 1998, 12:57)
Judgement: FALSE

Statement:
It is equally legal and illegal for else...if to sell 100 stocks.

Initiator's Reasoning:
	Rule 530 says:
	"If the player lacks enough money to purchase the number of shares
they requested, than the purchase request will be treated as if they
requested the largest number of stocks they can buy without going into
debt."  else...if requested 100 stocks.  The above clause was applied, so
it was treated as if he requested 1 share, so the above clause was not
applied, so the above clause was applied, etc.  It is illegal to trade an
entity a player does not own.  Thus, since else...if equally has 1 and
100 shares, it is equally legal and illegal for him to sell 100 shares.

Judge's Reasoning:
Rule 510, Voluntary Debt Prohibited, says:
"No Player, Undead, or Organization may use more A$'s to buy, trade, give or
in any way move out of his account, than there are in his/her account at
that moment in time. In other words, a player may never voluntarily go into
debt, but it is possible that a player may go into debt involuntarily."

The first sentence would seem to prohibit else...if from buying the stocks.
However, the second sentence would permit the purchase, if it was
involuntary.
So the question becomes: was the purchase voluntary?

My dictionary gives
"1. done or undertaken by free choice: /a voluntary action./"
Since else...if freely chose to attempt the purchase, I judge this CFJ false.

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:19:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: The B-Ack

On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> However, I have determined that the B-Ack is on the trail of Hubert,
> still in the Wilds of Ackanomia, while not having had any luck at all
> trailing The Gingham Wearer.

I should actually be in my house by now.  In any case, I go to my
now-exploded house if I am not there already.  The B-Ack experience,
though, was horrible.  Count my Machine post as its (appropriately vague,
I hope) description.

- -Hubert

CAUTION: Sharp knife. Keep out of small children. 

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:37:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: New Religion

The Prophet, tired in his travels of seeking the edge of the earth, sat
down beneath an Amber Banana tree, and contemplated the Ruleset of nomic
solitaire.  While thus engaged, he discovered a wondrous loophole in those
Rules, and contemplated the possibility of applying that loophole to
Ackanomic.  Just as he did so, however, a Golden Frog appeared, much
to the Prophet's bestartlement, and the Prophet exclaimed:

"Oh, amphibian wonder, woe is Ackanomic!  Twice before hast thou
appeared to me, and given me wisdom with which to guide the Acka through 
the Church of the Markovian Dream.  But now that Church is but a Cult,
and here appears before me a monstrous loophole which threatens to
engulf us all."

To which the Frog replied:

"Yea, O Prophet, and that is why I have come to you today.  Examine
closely the loophole thou hast found.  In it lies Acka's destruction,
perhaps, but perhaps also its salvation."

The Prophet was suitably awed, and so the Frog continued:

"Moreso, Prophet, the loophole which you see before you is but the least
of the Dozen Mighty Loopholes which the denizens of Ackanomia have wrought
as gallows on which to hang their fair game.  You, Prophet, must go to
Ackanomic and teach them the twisted paths of logic with which to see
these monstrosities, and so by seeing, close them."

The Prophet (wrongly) thought he knew the Frog's intent, and so responded:

"Yea, O metallic one called Rana, I shall go unto Ackanomia, and propose
to close these loopholes."

The Frog smugly replied:

"You think you can close the Dozen Mighty Loopholes my proposal alone?
Surely, should you act against the least of these creatures, the others
will come crashing down upon that fair game, splitting threads until no
Officer could try to harf the game state, lest e go mad!  There is only
one way to slay these creatures.  Seek out this weapon."

And in the air before the prophet appeared the vision of a flat 
object, five cubits in length, one cubit in breadth, and less than a
handsbreadth in thickness.  It was green.

"I reveal to you, O Prophet, the Loophole Surfboard, destroyed by Guy
Fawkes for purposes of greed.  Go to Ackanomia, and there find disciples
to righteously surf the Mighty Loopholes, and by so surfing, end them.
Yea, unless these righteous ones find and surf the Loopholes, less
upstanding citizens of Acka may do so first, and who could in good
conscience allow that to occur?  Go now, and surf in righteousness."

It was some days after that the Prophet came to me and told me of the
threat presented by the Dozen Mighty Loopholes.  He instructed me to find
mighty loophole warriors to surf them and destroy them, for I could not
possibly do it alone.  Who then dares to seek out the secret ways of
Rules, to navigate vast seas of clauses in search of Mighty Loopholes.
Who then shall stand against these awesome maelstroms of logic, to
surf boldly and bravely into these twisted storms.  Is there any left in
Acka who will train their minds to master the devious ways of Loopholes,
to righteously exploit those unconsidered clauses before the wicked do so?
If so, let em stand beside me, and be known as a Priest of the Order of
the Righteous Loophole Seekers.

Guy Fawkes
would be Church founder 

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 18:07:16 -0500 (EST)
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Religion

>If so, let em stand beside me, and be known as a Priest of the Order of
>the Righteous Loophole Seekers.
>
>Guy Fawkes
>would be Church founder 
>
I petition to join the Order of the Righteous Loophole Seekers.

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 18:43:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Religion

> It was some days after that the Prophet came to me and told me of the
> threat presented by the Dozen Mighty Loopholes.  He instructed me to find
> mighty loophole warriors to surf them and destroy them, for I could not
> possibly do it alone.  Who then dares to seek out the secret ways of
> Rules, to navigate vast seas of clauses in search of Mighty Loopholes.
> Who then shall stand against these awesome maelstroms of logic, to
> surf boldly and bravely into these twisted storms.  Is there any left in
> Acka who will train their minds to master the devious ways of Loopholes,
> to righteously exploit those unconsidered clauses before the wicked do so?
> If so, let em stand beside me, and be known as a Priest of the Order of
> the Righteous Loophole Seekers.

A dozen mighty loopholes?  It reminds me of the old Nobs party agenda,
which listed at least that many loopholes among its 20+ items to fix
in the rules.

Count me in on the Order of Righteous Loophole Surfers.

- -- 
/dev/joe
Looks for the old Nobs agenda to see how many items are still outstanding;
I know many of them got fixed by Vulcan, by Malenkai acting alone, or by
others somewhere along the way.

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 19:28:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Organisation Joining Attempts.

 I petition to join the Church of Banna.
 I petition to join the political party, SPAM.

 At the first such time that I am a member of both of these organisations
I proxy my support to them.

 Wild Card.

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:35:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Religion

>It was some days after that the Prophet came to me and told me of the
>threat presented by the Dozen Mighty Loopholes.  He instructed me to find
>mighty loophole warriors to surf them and destroy them, for I could not
>possibly do it alone.  Who then dares to seek out the secret ways of
>Rules, to navigate vast seas of clauses in search of Mighty Loopholes.
>Who then shall stand against these awesome maelstroms of logic, to
>surf boldly and bravely into these twisted storms.  Is there any left in
>Acka who will train their minds to master the devious ways of Loopholes,
>to righteously exploit those unconsidered clauses before the wicked do so?
>If so, let em stand beside me, and be known as a Priest of the Order of
>the Righteous Loophole Seekers.
	I'd like to joint too.

- --
- -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran

	<[email-masked]>

	Success is the child of audacity.
		-Benjamin Disraeli

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:48:34 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Organisation Joining Attempts.

On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Jonathan David Amery wrote:

>  I petition to join the Church of Banna.
I admit Wild Card to the Church of banna.

>  I petition to join the political party, SPAM.
> 
and I support this action.

hibert
Founder of the Church of banna,
SPAM membert

>  At the first such time that I am a member of both of these organisations
> I proxy my support to them.
> 
>  Wild Card.
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:50:37 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: New Religion

On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Guy Fawkes wrote:

> If so, let em stand beside me, and be known as a Priest of the Order of
> the Righteous Loophole Seekers.

I would liketo join this church.

hibert

> 
> Guy Fawkes
> would be Church founder 
> 

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:51:28 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Potato

Illusion has found the Magic Potato.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--George Michael:Soul Free
Current Book--Robert Charles Wilson:The Harvest
A child of five could understand this!  Fetch me a child of five.

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:55:31 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: SBoC Random OC determination

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:58:12 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: SBoC Random OC determination

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:58:15 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: ackaPhysicist election

I appologize for the outragous delay.  My Real Life time demands have been
abnormally high the last week or three.  The canadates for ackaPhysicist
are
/dev/joe
The Gingham wearer
else...if
hoover 2300
(fortunato, but I don't think non-voting players can hold the office)

hibert 
Count Tabula

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:00:58 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: Ambassador election

The nominees are 
Guy Fawkes
K 2

Reply toi vote.  voting lasts three days

hibert
Count Tabula

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:03:12 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka:  Senate election

The nominees are 
Illusion
Rex Mundi
TGW
Vynd

Reply to vote; voting lasts threee days.

Hibert
Count Tabula

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:05:19 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: Caped Crusader nomination

I am now accepting nominations for the Office of Caped Crusader, since
TGW was removed from office.  Reply to nominate yourself.

hibert

Count Tabula

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:39:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: Ambassador election

On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, David Scheidt wrote:

> The nominees are 
> Guy Fawkes
> K 2

I vote for K 2.

- -Hubert

The ideal man is like a dolphin--has a two-foot tongue and can breathe 
out the top of his head. 

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:47:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Hubert <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: illuminatus election

On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, David Scheidt wrote:

> Reply to vote.  The canidates are
> Alfvaen
> Hubert
> TGW
> K 2

If I can do so, I remove myself from the running in this election.  
(With such an august opposition, why even bother? :-))

- -Hubert, who's probably Learned his Lesson at least twice by now

The ideal man is like a dolphin--has a two-foot tongue and can breathe 
out the top of his head. 

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 23:53:58 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Organisation Joining Attempts.

> >  I petition to join the political party, SPAM.

> and I support this action.

I can't remember for sure, but I think that Slakko has proxied eir
approval, and thus this happens, the once-mighty SPAM only having
two members at this point.  And now, three.

By the way, I should note that the Metamorph Party is looking for a
third member too...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Chaz Jankel:Chazablanca
Current Book--Robert Charles Wilson:The Harvest
Sport yourself a motive and call us back later.  --chagelstein

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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 23:55:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: ackaPhysicist election

I vote for /dev/joe.

GF

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