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ackanomic digest       Friday, February 27 1998       Volume 03 : Number 041

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:17:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Swinger for sale

Only Capital Swinger's Offices are Tradeable. The NAP Swinger's Office
isn't.
Anyway, I think you have already been removed from office by another rule.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, A.K.A. TheWiz wrote:

> Swinger's offices are tradeable, no so?  I am offering the NAP Swinger's
> office in trade for the first offer of A$50.  I don't have the time...
> 
> ___Dan_Knapp____The_Mauve_Baron______________________Beep Blip Bonk_______
> <[email-masked]><[email-masked]> http://users.bergen.org/~dankna
> Visit ftp://ftp.gmd.de/if-archive/ and find out about text adventures!
> Some things aren't self-referential.
> 
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> 

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:19:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSR 

On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> 
> To enforce the limit, perhaps the rephrasing should split that subsection
> into two.  The first part restricts the RuneMaker to only creating Otzma
> Cards on Otzma Days.  The second part says: Any attempt to create an Otzma
> Card by any means not described in this rule fails if 14 or more Otzma
> cards have been created in the last 7 days.

Wouldn't that prevent the RuneMaker to create Otzma Cards from a Spell
Book of Chorg, f'rinstance?  Then a page fromt he book is read - who is
the creator, the player reading the page, or the book?
Niccolo Flychuck

 > 
> I'd be happy with this rephrasing.  Any more suggestions?
> 
> Yours,
> Slakko
> - -- 
> Duncan C. "" Richer aka
> Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
> Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
> Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:25:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2753

This does not address several important questions which were addressed by
previous attempt (on of them mine) to propose an entity transfer protocol.
Some of them are - name collision - it would be possible to import an
entity the presence of which could break some rules. Imported entities are
do-nothing entities.

I specifically dislike the requirement on a common set of members between
nomics.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Proposal 2753
> Acka-Dot Trade Organisation.
> Wild Card (Jonathan David Amery)
> 
> This is a Grandiose Proposal.
> 
> Create a new Rule, titled "Acka-Dot Trade Organisation.", which reads as
> follows:
> 
> {{This rule is a member of the Transnomicial Trade Pacts Rule Suite if
> such exists.}}
> 
> The Acka-Dot Trade Organisation is an organisation whose purpose is to
> conduct trade between Ackanomic and .nomic.
> 
> The Acka-Dot Trade Organisation owns a classy building which is nearer to
> the Wilds of Ackanomia than it is to the library.  This is known as the
> Acka-Dot Trade Centre. 
> 
> {{
> The Acka-Dot Trade Organisation starts with a Trade License.
> 
> Initially the only rules of the Acka-Dot Trade Organisation are:
> 
> 1) Anyone who is a player in both Ackanomic and .nomic or who has at any
> time been a player in both for a period of at least one week may be a
> member of the Acka-Dot Trade Organisation. 
> 
> 2) Any changes to these rules are permissable so long as all the members
> of the Acka-Dot Trade Organisation agree. 
> }}
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> End of acka-voting-digest V3 #23
> ********************************
> 

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 06:57:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CSR 

On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Uri Bruck wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> 
> > 
> > To enforce the limit, perhaps the rephrasing should split that subsection
> > into two.  The first part restricts the RuneMaker to only creating Otzma
> > Cards on Otzma Days.  The second part says: Any attempt to create an Otzma
> > Card by any means not described in this rule fails if 14 or more Otzma
> > cards have been created in the last 7 days.
> 
> Wouldn't that prevent the RuneMaker to create Otzma Cards from a Spell
> Book of Chorg, f'rinstance?  Then a page fromt he book is read - who is
> the creator, the player reading the page, or the book?
> Niccolo Flychuck

The rule already prevents that if that is the case.  Rule 1240.1 only
allows the RuneMaker to create cards according to the methods described in
Rule 1240.1 - check it out.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:40:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan David Amery <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2753

On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Uri Bruck wrote:

> 
> This does not address several important questions which were addressed by
> previous attempt (on of them mine) to propose an entity transfer protocol.
> Some of them are - name collision - it would be possible to import an
> entity the presence of which could break some rules. Imported entities are
> do-nothing entities.
> 
> 
> I specifically dislike the requirement on a common set of members between
> nomics.
> 
> Niccolo Flychuck

 This is so that the people who are performing the transfers have a
knowledge of how things work on both sides of the interchange.  There is
no specification in the rule that things have to maintain the same name,
so the organisation members could (in theory) change.  Also Rule 501
provides a much needed leash upon the usages of such objects.

 Wild Card

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:49:24 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Stripe

> > In honour of eir 70th accepted Proposal, I am awarding Guy Fawkes a
> > Silver Stripe, feeling somehow inadequate as I do so.

> Oi! Speedy!  Slow down a minute.  You can't do this - you calculated
> wrongly, Guy Fawkes is on a mere 69 Blue Cross Rank right now.

You're correct; I'd had his count down as 67 before the most recent three,
but checking the corrected results breadbox sent me in January I see that
it was really 66.  Mea culpa.  Well, shouldn't take em long to get another
one...

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- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Talking Heads:True Stories
Current Book--Katie Waitman:The Merro Tree
a^n+b^n=c^n. No solutions for n>2, as can be seen by |#@}NO_CARRI

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:51:11 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2726 accepted

> I believe the new Rule Suite has finally been created and is in place.

> By the way, I note for the record that the proposal was not prolix,
> despite its claims, as only a single word can be used. (And anyway,
> "Ackanomic", "sound", and "system" are all in the ruleset already.)
> It did get two literature scores, though, including one for which had
> been on the literature list for an infinitesimal amount of time.

Actually, I wonder about the literature thing, at least for the Van
Morrison bit, because of Rule 205.  I suppose that changing the Literature
List is not really a "Rule Change" for the purposes of Section 5), but
maybe it should be.  Actually, some of that language could be cleaned
up, because it seems to prohibit scoring for "rule changes", rather
than Proposals.  (Are there any other ways to change rules that allow
one to score points?)

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- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Talking Heads:True Stories
Current Book--Katie Waitman:The Merro Tree
Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm.

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:20:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Guy Fawkes <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Treasure

/dev/joe has found Treasure 179, whose map as follows:

This Treasure shall be found by the first player to submit a
non-recursively defined formula for the nth term in the series whose 1st
13
terms are as follows: 

1
2
12
0
- -720
0
30240
0
- -1209600
0
47900160
0
- -1307674368000 / 691     (yes, 691 is prime)

Failing that, this treasure can be found by submitting a non-recursively
defined formula for the nth term of the series consisting of the
odd-numbered members of the above (720, 30240, 1209600, etc.) although if
you can find that, converting it to the first should not
be too difficult. 

- ---

/dev/joe's solution that he sent to me last night is found in the
forwarded message below.

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:38:01 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
To: AckP Robert Shimmin <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Treasure

The nth term of your sequence is generated by (n-1)!/B(n-1), when B(n-1)
is not 0, and 0 otherwise, where B(n) is the nth bernoulli number;
B(0)=1, B(1)=1/2, B(n) for n odd and greater than 1 is 0, and B(n) for
n even and greater than 0 is given by:

2*(n!)*(-1)^(n/2+1)   Inf
- ------------------- * Sum ( 1 / j^n)
(2*pi)^n              j=1

The n! cancels out with the n! in our original expression, so we can
write Guy(n) (plugging in the n-1) as:

(2*pi)^(n-1) * (-1)^((n+1)/2)
- -----------------------------
2 * Sum[j=1..Inf](1/j^(n-1))

for odd n>1; Guy(1)=1, Guy(2)=2, and Guy(even n>2)=0.

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:22:47 -0500 (EST)
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Good bye

It is with great regret that I announce that I am leaving Ackanomic.

I have too much work to do, and there have been problems with me playing
Acka at work.  If I ever get the chance, I will come back.  If not, I
congradulate you all for putting together the single best nomic game I have
ever played, and I hope that Acka continues into the far future.

I resign from all offices that I hold.

I give all my ackadollars to SPAM.

I give all my other transferable entites and trinkets to the Museum, if
possible, and to breadbox, if not, with instructions to do with him what he
sees best.

I hereby resign as a player of Ackanomic.

<sniff>

Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:57:33 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Treasure

> /dev/joe has found Treasure 179
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:38:01 -0600 (CST)
> From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
> To: AckP Robert Shimmin <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka: Treasure
> 
> The nth term of your sequence is generated by (n-1)!/B(n-1), when B(n-1)
> is not 0, and 0 otherwise, where B(n) is the nth bernoulli number;
> B(0)=1, B(1)=1/2, B(n) for n odd and greater than 1 is 0, and B(n) for
> n even and greater than 0 is given by:
> 
> 2*(n!)*(-1)^(n/2+1)   Inf
> ------------------- * Sum ( 1 / j^n)
> (2*pi)^n              j=1

For the curious, after dividing out a factorial from each term, I
found a still irregular sequence.  In doing some searches for info
on sequences, I eventually found an article in sci.math in which
somebody was asking about a sequence somewhat similar to mine, in
which the number 691 appeared very early on, and somebody identified
it as Euler numbers.  In doing further research I found two other
sequences that were supposedly Euler numbers, so I went out to the
math library on campus and looked it up in the CRC math tables, where
I found that 691 is not a part of the Euler numbers; however, on the
preceding page was a table of the Bernoulli numbers, which I
immediately recognized as a small variation on the numbers I had --
the small variation due to dividing out the wrong factorial, and that
the reciprocals of the Bernoulli numbers were actually present.

Now, then, I still needed to come up with a non-recursive formula
for the numbers (CRC did not provide this). This treasure gave me a
good reason to go out and find _The Book of Numbers_ by John H. Conway
and Richard Guy, at the same library, and in this book the above
formula is presented (without the sign term).

/dev/joe

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:29:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Nominations

With the unfortunate departure of Balsamic Dragon, I announce that 
Nominations will now be accepted for the Functional Office of
Clerk of the Court.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:03:45 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Good bye

> It is with great regret that I announce that I am leaving Ackanomic.

> I have too much work to do, and there have been problems with me playing
> Acka at work.  If I ever get the chance, I will come back.  If not, I
> congradulate you all for putting together the single best nomic game I have
> ever played, and I hope that Acka continues into the far future.

We'll miss you, Balsamic Dragon!  Hurry back!

> I resign from all offices that I hold.

Any volunteers for Acting Ambassador and Senator?

> I give all my ackadollars to SPAM.

> I give all my other transferable entites and trinkets to the Museum, if
> possible, and to breadbox, if not, with instructions to do with him what he
> sees best.

I think that since e is not at the Museum, donation does not happen and so
all eir tradeable entities go to breadbox(well, the non-gift ones wait
on eir ack).

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--George Michael:Older
Current Book--Katie Waitman:The Merro Tree
'Oh, bother,' said Pooh, as he formatted his life.

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:03:48 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Praetor

> > I am appointing Calvin N Hobbes to be Acting Praetor, this time unless
> > e _actively_ refuses.  :-)  (I don't want to get stuck on the Supreme
> > Court any more.)

I note that Count Tabula should start a nomination if e hasn't already.

> > By the way, is anyone working on the Revamping The Appeal Proposal?  If
> > not, I'll see what I can work up.  (If so, I can help proofread or
> > something...)

> I am working on such a Proposal, though right now I'm still trolling for
> ideas from others and bouncing around possibilities in my heads.  Send me
> what thoughts you do have if you like.  If you want to work on this on a
> co-proposal basis, that would work, too.

No, go ahead; I just wanted to know if someone was working on it.  Feel
free to bounce ideas off me.  (For the record, I like the Bronze Torch
pool idea, although it'd be nice if there was no way to be forced to
be on the Supreme Court for a given CFJ...)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--George Michael:Older
Current Book--Katie Waitman:The Merro Tree
Holo Graham Crackers--great with evaporated milk!

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:24:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Good bye

> It is with great regret that I announce that I am leaving Ackanomic.
> 
> I have too much work to do, and there have been problems with me playing
> Acka at work.

Oh, my. I hope we didn't get Balsamic Dragon into too much trouble
with her employers....

> I give all my ackadollars to SPAM.
> 
> I give all my other transferable entites and trinkets to the Museum, if
> possible, and to breadbox, if not, with instructions to do with him what he
> sees best.
> 
> I hereby resign as a player of Ackanomic.

I ack this, but ... I believe that, since Balsamic Dragon explicitly
resigned in the next sentence, only the gift entities were actually
given to me (assuming that Balsamic Dragon wasn't at the Museum at the
time, in which case her donations would probably succeed). Our game
custom of having players' resignations delayed by the acking of their
wills depends on a different phrasing, so therefore all of Balsamic
Dragon's non-Trinkets will follow her Undead to the grave.

breadbox

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:33:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: I'm Gonna Fix That Rule Later

When Balsamic Dragon left the game, I immediately became acting Clerk of
the Court.  As the vacancy in the position of Clerk of the Court was
created by Balsamic leaving the game, not going on vacation, I have no
authority to appoint an Acting Officer.  Therefore, until the nomination
period is finished, I have no choice but to perform the role of Clerk of
the Court.

Yours,
Slakko
jack-of-all-trades-by-now :-)
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:34:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Good bye

I nominate Balsamic Dragon for the Hall of Elders.

CnH

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:39:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Good bye

On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Thierry Joffrain wrote:

> I nominate Balsamic Dragon for the Hall of Elders.

I support the nomination of Balsamic Dragon to the Hall of Elders.

Yours,
Slakko
2 points
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:41:15 -0500 (EST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Good bye

Slakko wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Thierry Joffrain wrote:
> > I nominate Balsamic Dragon for the Hall of Elders.
> I support the nomination of Balsamic Dragon to the Hall of Elders.

I also support the nomination.

/dev/joe
3 points

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:47:40 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Good bye

> Slakko wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Thierry Joffrain wrote:
> > > I nominate Balsamic Dragon for the Hall of Elders.
> > I support the nomination of Balsamic Dragon to the Hall of Elders.

> I also support the nomination.

I as well.

(4 points...)

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- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Song--John Cougar:Ain't Even Done With The Night
Current Book--Katie Waitman:The Merro Tree
The sky is falling ... no, I'm tipping over backwards.

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:52:35 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Acting

I hereby appoint Rex Mundi as Acting Senator (seat Melvin), since e
has Acted as Senator before.

I would really prefer it if someone who took an interest in Internomic
could act as Ambassador.  (I think there is an INP pending, for instance.)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Song--John Cougar:Hurts So Good
Current Book--Katie Waitman:The Merro Tree
I wish life had scroll back - with cut and paste.

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:59:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Acting

On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> I hereby appoint Rex Mundi as Acting Senator (seat Melvin), since e
> has Acted as Senator before.
> 
> I would really prefer it if someone who took an interest in Internomic
> could act as Ambassador.  (I think there is an INP pending, for instance.)

Seeing as Balsamic sent me the votes on INP 363, I would suggest that I be
made the acting Ambassador for now.

I would rather someone else took the job on a permanent basis, but I'll do
it if no-one else will.

Yours,
Slakko
doubling up as Internomic rep would be a mite silly
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko (Lost) Warner - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/ - Queens' College
Cambridge, 1st Yr PhD(PMa) - .Nomic Elector, Frgn Minister, HP(Morpork)
Acka - President "Gumball" Web-Harfer RuneMaker ChessUmpire Map-Harfer

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:09:48 -0500 (EST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Acting

> > I would really prefer it if someone who took an interest in Internomic
> > could act as Ambassador.  (I think there is an INP pending, for instance.)

> Seeing as Balsamic sent me the votes on INP 363, I would suggest that I be
> made the acting Ambassador for now.

Very well, I appoint Slakko to be Acting Ambassador.  (Phew.)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Song--The Beatles:Don't Bother Me
Current Book--Katie Waitman:The Merro Tree
People who live in glass houses shouldn't.

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:21:34 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: acak: nomination for praetor

I am now accepting nominations for Praetor.  Reply to this message to
engage in self-nomination.  

rufus
count Tabula

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:25:48 -0500 (EST)
From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Good bye

On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> > > > I nominate Balsamic Dragon for the Hall of Elders.
> > > I support the nomination of Balsamic Dragon to the Hall of Elders.
> 
> > I also support the nomination.
> 
> I as well.
Me too.  

rufus
5 pts..

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:29:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tom Walmsley" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Good bye

From: Aaron V. Humphrey <[email-masked]>
> > Slakko wrote:
> > > On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Thierry Joffrain wrote:
> > > > I nominate Balsamic Dragon for the Hall of Elders.
> > > I support the nomination of Balsamic Dragon to the Hall of Elders.
> 
> > I also support the nomination.
> 
> I as well.

I too (5 points).

TGW.

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