Subject: ackanomic digest V2 #499
From: [email-masked] (ackanomic digest)
To: [email-masked]

ackanomic digest       Friday, January 30 1998       Volume 02 : Number 499

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:16:03 -0800
From: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Acka: The unambiguous message: This is hopefully my last shot (no chance)

Duncan Richer wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:
> 
> > Definition of spell:
> >
> > 1. To form words with letters, esp. with the proper letters, either orally
> > or in writing.
> >
> > I claim that letturc, whenever I have said it, is a spelling of either
> > lettuce or letters.  There is no requirement that spelling be correct in
> > the definition of spelling.
> >
> > Definition of word:
> >
> > a constituent part of a sentence
> >
> > Definition of sentence:
> >
> > A combination of words which is complete as expressing a thought, and in
> > writing is marked at the close by a period, or full point.
> 
> Just as one final argument:
> 
> Definition of ambiguous:
> 
> capable of being understood in either of two or more possible senses
> 
> Right, so as long as it is "capable" of being understood more than one way
> it is ambiguous.  Well, I can interpret "letturc" as lettuce, and I can
> interpret "letturc" as letters, so it is an ambiguous word.  However, I
> now say that all instances of letturc in this message are misspellings of
> the word lettuce.  This does not make them unambiguous, however, as the
> words are _capable_ of being understood in either of two or more possible
> senses.  However, the word letturc in this case is being specified to be
> interpreted in one particular way, out of all the ways that it could be.
> That way is as "lettuce", a word which contains a prime number of letters.
> 
> Therefore "letturc" is an ambiguous spelling mistake, but in this message
> its correct form is "lettuce" which contains a prime number of letters.
> Now I need to go down to the grocery store, or supermarket as some might
> say.  I'm looking to make a salad tonight, preferably involving a few
> different kinds of letturc.  It will go perfectly with my alphabet soup,
> into which I am also throwing a few different kinds of letturc.  I thought
> of just going for iceberg lettuce in my salad, but seeing as my
> supervisor, a man of letturc, is coming over, I thought that I would chuck
> in some cos letturc as well.
> 
> Please think twice before you post any more letturc on this subject.  I
> don't think I could cope with green vegetables coming at me through my
> computer.
> 
first of all if you don't notice the red herring it's in between the
letturc
secound typeing really really fast I still think lettuce lettucve
luttuce
lettuce lettuce lettuce letuuce the r is close but do to place-ment of
digits
you can be the ambi dexterous and get away spelling lettuce with out
hitting the right keys even quickly the letter (R) is not even graced.
lettuce lettuce it seems a bit far to say but ambiguous as it sounds you
have to be blind to not see what letters you are typeing
their was an old saying cyw check your work

lettuce = letturc that is impossible.
i'm not even a radio active samuri hamster and I still can't buy a green
leaf for a decent price!

hoover 2300

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:07:17 -1100
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 513 appeal

> Indeed.  Another solution is to make the cost of frivolous
> appeals reasonable.
>
> Malenkai

  Groan, not a gain :)
(Although I do agree, something should be done )

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:11:13 -1100
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Politics

I hereby conclude my membership in SPAM, to pursue an independent
political philosophy.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:21:56 -0000
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: acka: SBoC

I suggest that The Moral Kiosk transfer its newly created Spell Book of
Chorg to me. I approve of this.

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:55:07 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka: SBoC

I also approve of this transfer.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Gavin M. Doig [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Friday, January 30, 1998 7:22 AM
>To:	ackanomic
>Subject:	acka: SBoC
>
>I suggest that The Moral Kiosk transfer its newly created Spell Book of
>Chorg to me. I approve of this.
>
>Rex Mundi.
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:02:47 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Subject Lines

> Spamming the list with 1000 messages a day is legal too; that does not
> make it right.  Voting publically is legal too; that does not make it
> right.  I do not see the difference between public proposal voting and
> public CFJ acceptance.  I just don't see it.  As such, I have no further
> recommendation or insight on a list or whatever; people will do what
> people want to do, I suppose :-)  If some people feel it is important 
> to let all of Acka know that they accepted a CFJ, who am I to prevent 
> them from enlightening us all with that information?  I am considering 
> a proposal to make acceptance the default, to make the problem go away.
> 
> As long as the CotC is on acka-research though, I suppose that would be
> a better place to send them, so that those of us who don't care won't
> see them, and those that want to see them can subscribe to acka-research.
> I believe that was the point of acka-research, after all :)
> 
> Malenkai

For the first point, if you don't want to argue it, I will accept that. 
For the second, I was under the impression that acka-research was a forum
for discussion.  I can hardly imagine any discussion stemming from the
acceptance of a CFJ.  The reason that I think that people want to see CFJ
acceptance is so they are aware of the status of pending CFJ's.  I have
always assumed that the main list was for, among other things, basic
announcements of the game state.

Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:24:12 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 525 (Thin Man)

Could you please tell me where in the rules it says this?  I cannot find it
under either the judgement rules or the rules for the office of Supreme
Court Justice.

Balsamic Dragon

- ----------
> From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 525 (Thin Man)
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 8:19 PM
> 
> > Thin Man has been selected.
> 
> Note that a supreme court justice may not be selected
> as a first round judge.
> 
> Malenkai

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:39:45 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 525 (Thin Man)

On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Vivian Norwood wrote:

> Could you please tell me where in the rules it says this?  I cannot find it
> under either the judgement rules or the rules for the office of Supreme
> Court Justice.

R417, Justices Rock.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:46:26 -0000
From: "Gavin M. Doig" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: SBoC

>I also approve of this transfer.

Thus, it happens.

I open my new SBoC and read page 1. It is destroyed in a flash of light;
this flash is the colour you get from light made up of all visible prime
wavelengths.

Rex Mundi.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:59:50 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Appeal of CFJ

If the date in CFJ 523 is interpreted as "January 27th 1998", then I
hereby appeal CFJ 523.

Appellant's reasoning:

Let's look at the text in question, shall we:

"Okay.  The Present vote ins reasonable when people submit proposals
dealing with specific pearts of Acka that arre only looked at by a few
people (e.g. Parrty Chess).  Howeverr, I wass nott initially looking to
eliminate the Presentt vote.  I came up with the Devil's Advocate
approach when I was presented with the argument that we don't want to
encourage pressent voting.

So apparently we don't want to encourage present voting, in fact the
ruless technically discourage it becauuse of anti-voting points.  Yet at
the same time we don't want to abolish it.  Is everybody really
sufficiently happy that we're at a happy medium?

After all, if some proposals only appeal to specific parrts of thee
populace, why don't most ov them grab the attention of only a few players?
Maybe people are voting on more proposals than they should?

Please note, I'm just trying to gauge opinions here.  I've suggested three
different tactics now, and the first two got shot down in smoke.  If this
one does too, then I'll shoot down any future attempts to change this on
the grounds that we've already reached the happy medium. :-)"

There was no difficulty understanding me, so the "correct" form of each of
the misspelled words was well known.  The correct form of each of these
words had a prime number of letters, also satisfying the requirement.
However, all of these spelling errors were also ambiguous, because it 'is
possible to interpret these words in more than one way'.  Sure, doing so
creates nonsensical meanings, but that doesn't invalidate the message (I'd
sure like someone to say that Hoover 2300s messages have to be interpreted
as to make sense).

So the misspelled words were:

ins -  this could be in or is, and is hence ambiguously misspelled.
       the correct form was is.
pearts - could be parts or pears, and is hence ambiguously misspelled.
         the correct form was parts.
Parrty - could be party or parity, and is hence ambiguously misspelled.
         the correct form was Party.
Howeverr - could be However or Whoever and is hence ambiguously
misspelled.
           the correct form was However.
wass - could be was or wash, the correct form was was.
nott - could be not or note, the correct form was not.
Presentt - could be present or presents, correct form was present.
pressent - could be present or prescient, correct form was present.
ruless - could be rules or rulers, the correct form was rules.
ov - could be of or ova, the correct form was of.

Ten words, each of which can be interpreted in more than one way, and
therefore ambiguously misspelled.  They were all in sentences, so they do
qualify as words.  Correct forms of the words all had a prime number of
letters (be it 2,3,5 or 7), and hence this message satisfied the Agenda
Condition on my Agenda Hat numbered 9 according to two-star's Hat
numbering scheme.

Yours,
Slakko

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:12:03 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 525 (Thin Man)

Thanks.  Fortunately, since Slakko retracted CFJ 525, there is no harm
done.  BTW, though I am keeping my own list, it might be a good idea to
also put the justices on the CFJ ineligability list with a note as to why
they are there.

Balsamic Dragon

- ----------
> From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 525 (Thin Man)
> Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 9:39 AM
> 
> On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Vivian Norwood wrote:
> 
> > Could you please tell me where in the rules it says this?  I cannot
find it
> > under either the judgement rules or the rules for the office of Supreme
> > Court Justice.
> 
> R417, Justices Rock.
> 
> -- 
> Duncan C. "" Richer aka
> Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
> Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat
> 

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:23:13 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Retraction

I just noticed that else..if cunningly submitted a proposal that was
exactly like my proposal 2661.  I also note that he was fiendish enough
to submit it *before* my proposal, obviously knowing that I was about to
submit mine.  Therefore, I retract proposal 2661, and grumble.

- ------------------
Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
- ------------------

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:21:15 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 517 (Praetor)

Slakko never responded to CFJ 517, so I believe it goes to the Praetor who
(I think) is Calvin N Hobbes (acting).

Balsamic Dragon

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 517 - January 26, 1998
Subject: It s a bird, it s a plane, ...
Initiator: else...if
Judge: Slakko (deadbeat)
Second Judge:  Praetor (selected January 30, 12:30 p.m.)
Judgement:

Statement:

else...if is unable to fly.

Reasoning:

Rule 947 states that "A player wearing the Chartreuse Cape has the
ability to fly as if he had a wings mutation."  A player possesing the
wings mutation may not fly if they have more than one head, as else...if
does.  Therefore else...if is unable to fly even though he is wearing the
Chartreuse Cape.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:22:16 -0800
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: SBoC Random OC determination

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# I am using the dice server to determine the random otzma card
# delivered from the spell book of chorg based on the following
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# 4 - share my expenses
# 5 - share my income
# 6 - swinging sale
# 7 - tactical retreat
# 8 - paratroop
# 9 - foul fowl
# 10 - truthseeker
# 11 - fix my gadget
# 12 - scientist for a day
# 13 - art thief
# 14 - skeleton key
# 15 - grave robber
# 16 - summon tornado
# Hopefully this'll work, this is my first time...
# Alfvaen, Speaker of Ackanomic

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> To: [email-masked]
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:22:34 -0700 (MST)
> Reply-To: [email-masked]
> From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
> Content-Type: text
> 
> 
> #P [email-masked]
> #S 15
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> #T Acka: SBoC Random OC determination
> 
> #C Player: GF - 1
> #C I am using the dice server to determine the random otzma card
> #C delivered from the spell book of chorg based on the following
> #C schedule:
> #C 1 - go fish
> #C 2 - map shard
> #C 3 - untouch me
> #C 4 - share my expenses
> #C 5 - share my income
> #C 6 - swinging sale
> #C 7 - tactical retreat
> #C 8 - paratroop
> #C 9 - foul fowl
> #C 10 - truthseeker
> #C 11 - fix my gadget
> #C 12 - scientist for a day
> #C 13 - art thief
> #C 14 - skeleton key
> #C 15 - grave robber
> #C 16 - summon tornado
> 
> #C Hopefully this'll work, this is my first time...
> #C Alfvaen, Speaker of Ackanomic
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:25:52 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2672

> Proposal 2672
> The Madness of Crowds
> Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)

> This is a Modest proposal.

> In Rule 594.17, "Blueprint: BWG Laser", replace "proper madrigals" with
> "proper madrigals and sestinas".

> {{ Reduce Alfvaen's score by two points; increase Fortunato's score by
> two points. [ For the inspiration, you know. ] }}

Well.  Obviously Fortunato and I had the same idea, and his got to breadbox
first, so I hereby retract this Proposal.  (I'd do it on acka-research,
but according to the Postal Code that won't work, so here it is on the
main list...)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Christine Lavin:Regretting What I Said...
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
We secretly replaced the Dilithium with Folger's Crystals

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:26:23 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 526 (Device)

Device has been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 526 - January 30, 1998
Subject: Cycle Win
Initiator: Slakko
Judge: Device (selected January 30, 1998, 12:30 p.m.)
Judgement:

Statement:

Slakko has won a Cycle of Ackanomic.

Slakko's Reasoning:

The Chrome Streak Agenda Hat has been trivially TRUE.
The Attributes Agenda Hat is currently true, if you accept that titles are
attributes and membership of organizations are attributes.  You don't even
need to worry about trinkets.
This only leaves the misspellings.

I have submitted upwards of 30 messages containing the text "letturc".
Upwards of 10 of these have included at least 10 instances of deliberately
misspelled words, which could be corrected to more than one English word,
and are hence ambiguously misspelled words (and therefore not subject to
Rule 340).  According to the definitions in the second of the fictionary
dictionaries, which I omit here for brevity (and because I'm frankly sick
of them by now) "letturc" is a word when it is included as part of a
sentence.  It is ambiguous because I have stated two ways in which it can
be corrected.  However, in one message I stated exactly what "letturc"
should be taken to mean.  Therefore it did have a "correct" form - namely
the word lettuce.  In that message, I used "letturc" ten times.  Lettuce
has seven letters, a prime number of letters.  So there were at least 10
misspelled words in that message, all of which contain a prime number of
letters when in their proper form.

Therefore the misspelling hat is TRUE.

Therefore all three Agenda Hats have been true simultaneously at some
point in the fortnight immediately prior to the announcement of this CFJ.

Therefore Slakko has won a Cycle of Ackanomic.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:28:15 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Re: CFJ 517

D'oh!  I meant to deal with this.

I ask to be removed from the CFJ Ineligibility List

Yours,
Slakko

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:29:10 -0800
From: [email-masked] (Dice server)
Subject: Acka: SBoC Random OC determination

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# schedule:
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# 2 - map shard
# 3 - untouch me
# 4 - share my expenses
# 5 - share my income
# 6 - swinging sale
# 7 - tactical retreat
# 8 - paratroop
# 9 - foul fowl
# 10 - truthseeker
# 11 - fix my gadget
# 12 - scientist for a day
# 13 - art thief
# 14 - skeleton key
# 15 - grave robber
# 16 - summon tornado
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> Content-Type: text
> 
> 
> #P [email-masked]
> #S 16
> #D 1
> #R 1
> #L 1
> #T Acka: SBoC Random OC determination
> 
> #C Player: Rex Mundi
> #C I am using the dice server to determine the random otzma card
> #C delivered from the spell book of chorg based on the following
> #C schedule:
> #C 1 - go fish
> #C 2 - map shard
> #C 3 - untouch me
> #C 4 - share my expenses
> #C 5 - share my income
> #C 6 - swinging sale
> #C 7 - tactical retreat
> #C 8 - paratroop
> #C 9 - foul fowl
> #C 10 - truthseeker
> #C 11 - fix my gadget
> #C 12 - scientist for a day
> #C 13 - art thief
> #C 14 - skeleton key
> #C 15 - grave robber
> #C 16 - summon tornado
> 
> #C Ignore the other one, I'd added the summon tornado back in, as it's
> #C no longer at its instance limit, but forgotten to change the dice
> #C size.  This one is authoritative.  Sorry about that, but I figured
> #C I'd screw it up the first time...
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:29:32 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 527 (Hoover 2300)

Hoover 2300 has been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 527 - January 30, 1998
Subject: Cycle Win
Initiator: Slakko
Judge: Hoover 2300 (selected January 30, 1998, 12:30 p.m.)
Judgement:

Statement:

In an alphabetical ordering of Ackanomic players, Slakko appears prior to
The Gingham Wearer.

Reasoning:  

Rule 340 determines alphabetical ordering as follows:

VII. Alphabetical ordering shall be determined by a word-by-word
comparison, each word compared letter-by-letter. For these purposes: A
word is considered to be delimited by whitespace; an initial 'The' or
'the' is ignored; a single string of digits is considered equivalent to a
letter; digital 'letters' precede alphabetical letters; accented letters
come immediately after the unaccented form of the letter; and
non-alphanumeric characters are ignored; and case is ignored. All else
failing, two words that are otherwise equivalent shall be sorted in ASCII
collation order. 

The text "A word is considered to be delimited by whitespace" is
superseded by the text "non-alphanumeric characters are ignored", which
appears later in the text, as space characters are not alphanumeric.
Hence, The Gingham Wearer would appear after Slakko in an alphabetically
sorted list of Ackanomic players.

Just one more reason to fix Rule 340.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:30:24 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 517 (Praetor)

> Slakko never responded to CFJ 517, so I believe it goes to the Praetor who
> (I think) is Calvin N Hobbes (acting).

Actually, Malenkai is Praetor again now that e returned from Vacation...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Christine Lavin:Regretting What I Said...
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
There ain't no potato like natural potato

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:30:08 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka:  Slakko's snowgod's disease hearing results (fwd)

  After much examination, I have concluded that Slakko has a frog in his
keyboard.  He must take two flies and not call the list in the morning.

Red Barn
[brain-dead]
It is my job to forward it here.

___Dan_Knapp____The_Mauve_Baron______________________Beep Blip Bonk_______
<[email-masked]><[email-masked]> http://users.bergen.org/~dankna
Visit ftp://ftp.gmd.de/if-archive/ and find out about text adventures!
If man had been meant to fly, he would have invented airplanes.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:03:35 -0600
From: "Crackfoo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 523 (TRUE)

Ambiguous - capable of being understood in two or more possible senses or
ways.

Unambiguous -  not ambiguous, capable of being understood in only one way.

It is my opinion that all of the misspelled words in Slakko's post are
unambiguous and therefore are treated as if they were spelled correctly.  In
the context of a sentence, each word is used with a specific meaning by the
author.  Even if the misspelled word could be 2 or more different words if
corrected (pearts -- parts or hearts) one of them would not make sense or be
understood in the context of the sentence.  Slakko's statement with all of
the spelling errors does not pertain to rule sanctioned spelling
corrections, which is the only time that misspellings are not treated as if
they were spelled correctly.

I think the in order for Slakko to fulfill this portion of his agenda, he
needs to be the spelling bee.  When the spelling bee corrects spelling
errors, the misspelled words in the spelling bee post are not treated as if
they are spelled correctly.  (e.g.  Change peart in rule ??? to part. Peart
would be a documented spelling error that is not being treated as if spelled
correctly in that post.)  Slakko needs to be the spelling bee.

Crackfoo

- -----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic <[email-masked]>
Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 523 (TRUE)

>On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Vivian Norwood wrote:
>
>> Clerk of the Courts
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Call For Judgement 523 - January 27, 1998
>> Subject: Slakko s Alleged Win
>> Initiator: The Gingham Wearer
>> Judge: Crackfoo (selected January 27, 1998, 3:45 p.m.)
>> Judgement: TRUE
>
>I'm not going to appeal this in this message.
>
>> Statement:
>>
>> Slakko did not win a cycle of Ackanomic on January 7th 1998.
>>
><TGW's reasoning cut>
>
>> Judges Reasoning
>>
>> I return the judgement of "True", based on my reading of rule 340.
>
>Would you care to illuminate us further?
>
>--
>Duncan C. "" Richer aka
>Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
>Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
>Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:18:58 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Harfmeister

Due to the passage of Proposal 2629, K 2 is now Harfmeister.  However,
since 2633 and 2635 are also both Harfy, we'll see how long that lasts...
:-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Chris De Burgh:Old-Fashioned People
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
Thou hast besquirted me, oh leotarded one!  The maiden be thine.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:05:44 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 526 (Device)

> Device has been selected.

Unless I missed a vote of eirs in the recent reports, Device is still
Pending, not Active, and cannot be selected for CFJ's.

Just not your day, is it?  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Chris De Burgh:Old-Fashioned People
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
Just give Alice some pencils and she will stay busy for hours.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:09:53 -0600
From: "Crackfoo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Machine

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Crackfoo
Scholar of Ping

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:46:59 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 517 (Praetor)

I thought that might be the case, but I wasn't sure.  (that's why I
labelled it Praetor as opposed to a specific person.)  The offices list
still says CnH.

Balsamic Dragon

- ----------
> From: Aaron V. Humphrey <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 517 (Praetor)
> Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 12:30 PM
> 
> 
> > Slakko never responded to CFJ 517, so I believe it goes to the Praetor
who
> > (I think) is Calvin N Hobbes (acting).
> 
> Actually, Malenkai is Praetor again now that e returned from Vacation...
> 
> 
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Song In My Head--Christine Lavin:Regretting What I Said...
> Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
> There ain't no potato like natural potato
> 

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:48:42 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 523 (TRUE)

On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Crackfoo wrote:

> Ambiguous - capable of being understood in two or more possible senses or
> ways.
> 
> Unambiguous -  not ambiguous, capable of being understood in only one way.
> 
> It is my opinion that all of the misspelled words in Slakko's post are
> unambiguous and therefore are treated as if they were spelled correctly.  In
> the context of a sentence, each word is used with a specific meaning by the
> author.  Even if the misspelled word could be 2 or more different words if
> corrected (pearts -- parts or hearts) one of them would not make sense or be
> understood in the context of the sentence.  Slakko's statement with all of
> the spelling errors does not pertain to rule sanctioned spelling
> corrections, which is the only time that misspellings are not treated as if
> they were spelled correctly.

This argument implies that all messages must be interpreted so as to make
sense.  Nowhere in the rules does it specify that messages must make
sense, otherwise Hoover 2300 would have violated the rules dozens of times
already.  Therefore, just because a particular interpretation of a word
creates a nonsensical sentence, it does not mean that that particular
interpretation is illegitimate.

Crackfoo here is confusing form with content.  I am arguing that the
"correct" word is determined by the intent of the proposer, while the
ambiguity of the word is simply determined by the letters used to spell it
and the 'similar' words in the English Language and the Ackanomic Ruleset.

> I think the in order for Slakko to fulfill this portion of his agenda, he
> needs to be the spelling bee.  When the spelling bee corrects spelling
> errors, the misspelled words in the spelling bee post are not treated as if
> they are spelled correctly.  (e.g.  Change peart in rule ??? to part. Peart
> would be a documented spelling error that is not being treated as if spelled
> correctly in that post.)  Slakko needs to be the spelling bee.
So how do I become the spelling bee? :-)

I would like to thank Crackfoo for giving us the reasoning behind his
judgement, so that we may determine whether or not it was a good judgement
after all.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:59:24 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 526 (Device)

Hmm, that's an interesting question... Does a returning player go through a
Pending stage?  After all, it is publically knowable that he has voted on a
proposal before, right?
The rules seem to me to be pretty vague on this point, but then, I had
never really looked at them until now.

Balsamic Dragon

- ----------
> From: Aaron V. Humphrey <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 526 (Device)
> Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 1:05 PM
> 
> 
> > Device has been selected.
> 
> Unless I missed a vote of eirs in the recent reports, Device is still
> Pending, not Active, and cannot be selected for CFJ's.
> 
> Just not your day, is it?  :-)
> 
> 
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Song In My Head--Chris De Burgh:Old-Fashioned People
> Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
> Just give Alice some pencils and she will stay busy for hours.
> 

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:03:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 526 (Device)

> Hmm, that's an interesting question... Does a returning player go
> through a Pending stage?  After all, it is publically knowable that
> he has voted on a proposal before, right?

Device is actually a new player as far as the rules are concerned,
because he left the game before the Undead rules were written.

> The rules seem to me to be pretty vague on this point, but then, I
> had never really looked at them until now.

Any voting player becomes pending upon registration (as Malenkai was,
in the thread where he returned).

breadbox

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:03:40 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Machine

My guess at the truth (yeah, I'm just a glutton for punishment)

IF AND ONLY IF today is wednesday, friday, or Crackfoo's birthday, THEN the
machine that goes *ping*, shall go *ping*.

- ----------
From: Crackfoo <[email-masked]>
To: acka <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Machine
Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 1:09 PM

Today is Friday, the 30th of January, and the machine that goes *ping* has
gone *ping* today.  Since I have been scholar, the machine has gone *ping*
2 times.

 
Crackfoo
Scholar of Ping

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:11:35 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 526 (rufus)

(Sorry, still getting the hang of things :)

rufus has been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 526 - January 30, 1998
Subject: Cycle Win
Initiator: Slakko
Judge: rufus (selected January 30, 1998, 2:15 p.m.)
Judgement:

Statement:

Slakko has won a Cycle of Ackanomic.

Slakko's Reasoning:

The Chrome Streak Agenda Hat has been trivially TRUE.
The Attributes Agenda Hat is currently true, if you accept that titles are
attributes and membership of organizations are attributes.  You don't even
need to worry about trinkets.
This only leaves the misspellings.

I have submitted upwards of 30 messages containing the text "letturc".
Upwards of 10 of these have included at least 10 instances of deliberately
misspelled words, which could be corrected to more than one English word,
and are hence ambiguously misspelled words (and therefore not subject to
Rule 340).  According to the definitions in the second of the fictionary
dictionaries, which I omit here for brevity (and because I'm frankly sick
of them by now) "letturc" is a word when it is included as part of a
sentence.  It is ambiguous because I have stated two ways in which it can
be corrected.  However, in one message I stated exactly what "letturc"
should be taken to mean.  Therefore it did have a "correct" form - namely
the word lettuce.  In that message, I used "letturc" ten times.  Lettuce
has seven letters, a prime number of letters.  So there were at least 10
misspelled words in that message, all of which contain a prime number of
letters when in their proper form.

Therefore the misspelling hat is TRUE.

Therefore all three Agenda Hats have been true simultaneously at some
point in the fortnight immediately prior to the announcement of this CFJ.

Therefore Slakko has won a Cycle of Ackanomic.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:17:24 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: (Acka) INP 360

Ackanomic votes FOR INP 360.

Voting was unanimous:

FOR:  Balsamic Dragon, /dev/joe, The Gingham Wearer, Slakko, and Vynd

Title: Gone Dotty
Proposal: Amend Rule 215 by replacing the text "Ackanomic," with the
text "Ackanomic, .Nomic,"

Balsamic Dragon
Ambassador

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