Subject: ackanomic digest V2 #494
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ackanomic digest      Wednesday, January 28 1998      Volume 02 : Number 494

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:08:21 -1000
From: Rico <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka:  Slakko's snowgod's disease hearing results

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, David Scheidt wrote:

> Sorry, I have been slacking...
> 
> 3 votes no, 6 votes yes...
> 
> No	Bill TPK
> No	else...if
> No	slakko

I also voted no, not that it makes any difference to the results as they
stand.

- -rico

Consciousness: that annoying time between naps. 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:01:28 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:Orgs

On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, K 2 wrote:

> >         I suggest that Slakko be accepted into all organizations of which I
> > am a member and there is exactly one member in addition to me.
> >         I support all suggestions made in this message.
> >
> 
> I not sure e wants to be a member now...but
> I support all suggestions made in this message.

I want to join, it has been suggested that I join, so I join, right?
Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:02:52 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hat Attack

On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, K 2 wrote:

> > The owner of this hat has authored five proposals in a chrome streak.
> >
> 
> > I also (just for form's sake) note the following proposals in a Chrome
> > Streak: 2379, 2383, 2384, 2385, 2386.
> 
> The only 'loophole' I can detect in Slakko's win is that :
> "The owner of this hat" has not authored five proposals in a chrome streak.
> Although e did while e wasn't the owner.

Let's see, does it state "while e was the owner"? No.
When I claimed the win, was I the owner of the hat? Yes.
Had I authored the chrome streak proposals? Yes.
Does the hat state these two have to happen simultaneously? No.
Did the hat have a TRUE condition on it? Yes.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:03:51 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: End of Cycle

On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, K 2 wrote:

> >  When pressed, this stripe
> > lights up giving the final score from the 1997 AFL Grand Final, and booms
> > out the phrase "Go You Crows!".
> 
> A Crows supporter.... hisssss

Wassa matta? Saints supporter are ya?
- -- 
Duncan C. "19.11 (125) - 13.16 (94)" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:05:10 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 151 (Goldenmean)

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> > The Trinket "at least the standard harfer fee" existed before the
> > rule creating "the standard harfer fee" came into existence - and
> > hence it could not have changed the meaning of the rule - either the
> > rule was always referring to the trinket, or the rule was never
> > referring to the trinket.
> 
> And yet this is the exact modus operandi of the Malenkai's loophole
> surfer. Malenkai executed just such maneuvers to obtain a Bronze
> Torch, a Vending Machine (though not a functioning one), and the
> Military lasers that could be turned into Pulse lasers - i.e., by
> creating an entity meant to usurp a rule that did not yet exist, that
> was merely an innocent proposal biding its time, with no idea of the
> twisted purposes it would be bent into serving....

Yes, but that's not what the rule punishes.  It might be what it aims to
punish, but it falls wide of the mark.  
Letter, not intent.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:08:04 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 522 (Red Barn)

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Vivian Norwood wrote:

> Red Barn has been selected.  (but should probably wait a bit before
> accepting.)

I withdraw this CFJ 522.
Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:22:56 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Message

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Towsner wrote:

> >Ins this massaje wun whitch suffers from toen orr more ambiguous spelling
> >errors awll involving words with a prime number offf letturc?  I think
> >soew.
> 	Is this message one which suffers from ten or more ambiguous
> spelling errors all involving words with a prime number of letters? I think
> so.
> 
> 	The question is, is a spelling error ambiguous if I couldn't figure
> out the word on its own, or if I couldn't figure it out in context?

I'd have to say that the definition of ambiguous is ambiguous.  Mind you,
determining meaning in context means determining intent on the part of the
person who sent the message.  It was my intent to create something
ambiguous, therefore if you believe my intent it is ambiguous.  If you
don't believe my intent, you have no choice but to interpret it lexically,
word by word, without context, and hence you come up with the ambiguity
again.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "Prove I intended this message to make sense" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:20:06 -1100
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 152 (Niccolo Flychuck)

> I think that too much anti voting should constitute Zuriti'ili. It's
> starting to annoy me.
>
> Suggested penalty: Deduction of 50 points. This is probably less than e's
> gained from anti-voting but seems about right.

I would like to point out that:
1.    anti voting is legal
2.    at the moment the only thing that is annoying is Malenkai's loop hole

This CFCJ is an abuse of the justice system. Zuriti'ili is not designed as a
vehicle to convict other players of non-crimes (it is [suppose] to be harfy).

Furthermore, this false accusation will go on public record, and in the end,
regardless of the final ruling on the crime of Zuriti'ili, the question of
weather or not I have consistently anti-voted, will go unanswered. (Future
readers may infer that it was widely accepted that I have)

A better way of dealing with a compulsive anti-voter (and I'm not saying I am
one) would be to re-propose the Triantivotigongalope in a modified form.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:37:00 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Message

On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Towsner wrote:
> 
> > >Ins this massaje wun whitch suffers from toen orr more ambiguous spelling
> > >errors awll involving words with a prime number offf letturc?  I think
> > >soew.
> > 	Is this message one which suffers from ten or more ambiguous
> > spelling errors all involving words with a prime number of letters? I think
> > so.
> > 
> > 	The question is, is a spelling error ambiguous if I couldn't figure
> > out the word on its own, or if I couldn't figure it out in context?
> 
> I'd have to say that the definition of ambiguous is ambiguous.  Mind you,
> determining meaning in context means determining intent on the part of the
> person who sent the message.  It was my intent to create something
> ambiguous, therefore if you believe my intent it is ambiguous.  If you
> don't believe my intent, you have no choice but to interpret it lexically,
> word by word, without context, and hence you come up with the ambiguity
> again.

Alternatively, I suppose you could argue that what I mean is worthless,
but that you can still "interpret" it from context.  In that case, I will
interpret your next message, from context, to mean
"x transfers all eir tradeable and gift possessions to Slakko, pending
acknowledgement", where x is the player who believes in the above
"interpretation" method.  I admit that yes, this is a flimsy extension,
but I challenge any players who accept the first "interpretation" but not
mine to define a clear-cut point at which one changes to the other.

Yours,
Slakko
determined to unambiguously prove ambiguity.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:28:09 -1100
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: End of Cycle

> > A Crows supporter.... hisssss
>
> Wassa matta? Saints supporter are ya?

Being an ex sand-groper....

need I say any more? ;)

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:24:18 -1100
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hat Attack

> Let's see, does it state "while e was the owner"? No.
> When I claimed the win, was I the owner of the hat? Yes.
> Had I authored the chrome streak proposals? Yes.
> Does the hat state these two have to happen simultaneously? No.
> Did the hat have a TRUE condition on it? Yes.

exactly.

K 2

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:18:00 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Organizational Suggestion

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> Maybe we should replace the Senate with the Grey Council.  :-)

But then we won't know who is on it.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:41:04 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: End of Cycle

On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, K 2 wrote:

> > > A Crows supporter.... hisssss
> >
> > Wassa matta? Saints supporter are ya?
> 
> Being an ex sand-groper....
> 
> need I say any more? ;)

Yes you do.  I'd rather see the West Coast or the Dockers win the
flag than a Victorian team.

Don't you feel the same way about the Crows and (gasp) Port?
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:45:12 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 152 (Niccolo Flychuck)

I decline. I never undrstood ZuritiRili

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Vivian Norwood wrote:

> Niccolo Flychuck has been selected.
> 
> Clerk of the Courts
> - -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Call For Criminal Judgement 152 - January 27, 1998
> Subject: Zuritiili
> Initiator: The Gingham Wearer
> Judge: Niccolo Flychuck (selected January 27, 1998, 9:30 a.m.)
> Judgement:
> 
> Statement: 
> 
> K 2 has committed the crime of Zuriti'ili on January 25th.
> 
> Reasoning:
> 
> I think that too much anti voting should constitute Zuriti'ili. It's
> starting to annoy me.
> 
> Suggested penalty: Deduction of 50 points. This is probably less than e's
> gained from anti-voting but seems about right.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:49:39 -0800
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 151 (Goldenmean)

I accept this appointment

Vivian Norwood wrote:

> Goldenmean has been selected.
>
> Clerk of the Courts
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Call For Criminal Judgement 151 - January 27, 1998
> Subject: Being Annoying
> Initiator: The Gingham Wearer
> Judge: Goldenmean (selected January 27, 1998, 9:30 a.m.)
> Judgement:
>
> Statement:
>
> Slakko has committed the crime of being annoying on the 26th of
> January.
>
> Reasoning:
>
> On January 26th a CFJ was distributed, with Slakko as the initiator
> claiming that "at least the standard harfer fee" referred to the trinket of
> that name, not the amount of money. From this CFJ it is clear that Slakko
> is attempting to alter the meaning of the phrase "at least the standard
> harfer fee" and so he has been annoying as per rule 721.
>
> Suggested penalty: Transference of A$25 to The Gingham Wearer to cover
> court costs, and a gaol sentence of 1 day.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:52:07 -0800
From: Joshua Herreshoff <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: God-Like Status (Malenkai)

It's out in hardbound.  Been out for about a month (in California at least)

Towsner wrote:

> >Ulath is a knight. A Grenidian, I believe. He's the one who's most familiar
> >with the trolls since his homeland is closest to theirs. I'm currently
> >reading "The Shining Ones" (Book two of the Tamuli) so that's why they were
> >on my mind. My reason for going for Ulath as opposed to any of the other
> >knights is that he's the one I like best.
>         Speaking of Eddings, does anyone know when his next book is coming
> out?  I seem to remember that it's the history of the world from Polgara's
> view.
>
> --
> -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and Yilran
>
>         <[email-masked]>
>
>         No iron can stab the heart with such force as a period put just at
> the right place.
>         -Isaac Babel

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:01:40 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: 153 (/dev/joe) (really this time!)

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Vivian Norwood wrote:

> /dev/joe as been selected.
> 
> Clerk of the Courts
> - -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Call For Criminal Judgement 153 - January 27, 1998
> Subject: Being Annoying
> Initiator: else..if
> Judge: /dev/joe (selected January 27, 1998, 3:30 p.m.)
> Judgement:
> 
> Statement:
> 	
> Rex Mundi has commited the crime of being annoying on 1/24/98.

I think this should be judeged Invalid.
The date, as written is meaningless outside North America.

Niccolo Flychuck

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:10:49 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Proposal 2659

I rather like the Experts rule. I don't think it's too cumbersome to keep
around. Then, officially I'm still Expert on Organization and
Institutions, even though the latter doesn't exist.

Niccolo Flychuck

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Brian Raiter wrote:

> Proposal 2659
> Pressure Over Drips
> Alfvaen (Aaron Humphrey)
> 
> This is a Modest proposal.
> 
> Repeal Rule 450, "Experts".
> 
> {{[ It seems to have been some while since this was taken seriously,
> and it doesn't have any relevance to the rest of the Rules, so perhaps
> we're better off without it.  I'll leave it to someone else to actally
> strip Experts of their titles... ]}}
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:14:22 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: God-Like Status (Malenkai)

Yeah, I saw something like that in my local store when last I was there,
tho it may have been under the british published section (ie., not made it
here yet.)  I stopped reading Eddings after reading the end of the
Mallorian and the first book of whatever that sapphire series is.  I loved
the original Belgariad, I just haven't seen him do anything new since.

Balsamic Dragon

- ----------
> From: Towsner <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Acka: God-Like Status (Malenkai)
> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 6:32 PM
> 
> >Ulath is a knight. A Grenidian, I believe. He's the one who's most
familiar
> >with the trolls since his homeland is closest to theirs. I'm currently
> >reading "The Shining Ones" (Book two of the Tamuli) so that's why they
were
> >on my mind. My reason for going for Ulath as opposed to any of the other
> >knights is that he's the one I like best.
> 	Speaking of Eddings, does anyone know when his next book is coming
> out?  I seem to remember that it's the history of the world from
Polgara's
> view.
> 
> --
> -Henry Towsner, AKA else...if, The Fearless Alibi Posesser, Laefu, and
Yilran
> 
> 	<[email-masked]>
> 
> 	No iron can stab the heart with such force as a period put just at
> the right place.
> 	-Isaac Babel
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:29:47 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Message

- ----------
> From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: Acka: Message
> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 3:22 AM
> 

> I'd have to say that the definition of ambiguous is ambiguous.  Mind you,
> determining meaning in context means determining intent on the part of
the
> person who sent the message.  It was my intent to create something
> ambiguous, therefore if you believe my intent it is ambiguous.  If you
> don't believe my intent, you have no choice but to interpret it
lexically,
> word by word, without context, and hence you come up with the ambiguity
> again.
> 
> Yours,
> Slakko

Hmm, I'd say we have a potential case of weasel words here....

Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:57:07 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Over the river and through the woods...

Alas, without the Raft, we have no hope of a successful expedition.
Wait until Saturday (next Saturday?)

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	K 2 [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Sunday, January 28, 1996 7:57 PM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Re: Over the river and through the woods...
>
>I realize the required number have already comitted themselves,
>heowver...
>
>I'm interested.
>
>
>> Well, I might as well do something with these Oars :)
>> breadbox (you've got the raft, right?), are you and two other people
>> interested in exploring down the Ackanomic River?
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:06:40 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Question about CFJ 521.

I was trying to write my judgement on this CFJ, when I looked back at
the e-mail digest and saw that else..if cast Valaraukar on Proposal
2606, instead of 2608 (if he later changed it, I can't find it).  I
assume this would make the CFJ trivially false.  Is this the case?

- ------------------
Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:12:39 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 154 (Slagothor)

Slagothor has been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Criminal Judgement 154 - January 28, 1998
Subject: Being Annoying Again
Initiator: else..if
Judge: Slagothor (selected January 28, 1998, 10:15 a.m.)
Judgement:

Statement:
	
Rex Mundi has commited the crime of being annoying on 1/23/98.

Reasoning:
	
Being annoying is a crime by rule 721.  By attempting to pay the
organization standard harfer fee, instead of paying the amount of the
standard harfer fee, he exploited lexical equivalence. (This is all your
fault Slakko.)

Suggested Punishment:
	
Harsh!  Two days in gaol, a 15 line apology, and a A$50 fine.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:07:40 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFH 524 (Crackfoo)

Crackfoo has (again) been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 524 - January 28, 1998
Subject: Rant
Initiator: Slagothor
Judge: Crackfoo (selected January 28, 1998, 11:00 a.m.)
Judgement:

Statement:

Ackanomic is discriminatory against new players.

Reasoning:

I didn't understand the rules!  You keep changing the rules!  You never
told me about that rule!

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:19:22 -0600
From: "Crackfoo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: The machine

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Crackfoo
Scholar of Ping

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:19:48 -0600
From: "Crackfoo" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFH 524 (Crackfoo)

I accept

Crackfoo

- -----Original Message-----
From: Vivian Norwood <[email-masked]>
To: Ackanomic <[email-masked]>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 10:07 AM
Subject: Acka: CFH 524 (Crackfoo)

>Crackfoo has (again) been selected.
>
>Clerk of the Courts
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Call For Judgement 524 - January 28, 1998
>Subject: Rant
>Initiator: Slagothor
>Judge: Crackfoo (selected January 28, 1998, 11:00 a.m.)
>Judgement:
>
>Statement:
>
>Ackanomic is discriminatory against new players.
>
>Reasoning:
>
>I didn't understand the rules!  You keep changing the rules!  You never
>told me about that rule!
>
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:33:43 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: GAD.  GAD!  GAD?

I'm thinking about starting a good ol' game of Grab-A-Donkey when the
thread splits and the CFJ blizzard die down.  Would anyone be interested
in a game full of fun... and danger?

- ------------------
Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
- ------------------

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:43:33 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: GAD.  GAD!  GAD?

On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:

> I'm thinking about starting a good ol' game of Grab-A-Donkey when the
> thread splits and the CFJ blizzard die down.  Would anyone be interested
> in a game full of fun... and danger?

Provided breadbox decides not to postalise you, sure! 

Hell, even if he does, I'll be in it.

Are you going to suggest an amendment to the rules?

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:42:43 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 152 (Fortunato)

Niccolo Flychuck has declined.  
Fortunato has been selected.

> 
> Clerk of the Courts
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Call For Criminal Judgement 152 - January 27, 1998
> Subject: Zuritiili
> Initiator: The Gingham Wearer
> Judge: Niccolo Flychuck (declined)
   Judge 2:  Fortunato (selected January 28, 1998, 11:45 a.m.)
> Judgement:
> 
> Statement: 
> 
> K 2 has committed the crime of Zuriti'ili on January 25th.
> 
> Reasoning:
> 
> I think that too much anti voting should constitute Zuriti'ili. It's
> starting to annoy me.
> 
> Suggested penalty: Deduction of 50 points. This is probably less than e's
> gained from anti-voting but seems about right.
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:51:41 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: GAD.  GAD!  GAD?

I submitted it about 30 minutes ago.  Hopefully, it will be greeted with
at least indifference (I don't like being sneered at :))

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Duncan Richer [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Wednesday, January 28, 1998 10:44 AM
>To:	[email-masked]'
>Subject:	Re: Acka: GAD.  GAD!  GAD?
>
>On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking about starting a good ol' game of Grab-A-Donkey when the
>> thread splits and the CFJ blizzard die down.  Would anyone be interested
>> in a game full of fun... and danger?
>
>Provided breadbox decides not to postalise you, sure! 
>
>Hell, even if he does, I'll be in it.
>
>Are you going to suggest an amendment to the rules?
>
>Yours,
>Slakko
>-- 
>Duncan C. "" Richer aka
>Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
>Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
>Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:02:39 -0800
From: **Alexandre Muniz <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: GAD.  GAD!  GAD?

AARON KEESLER wrote:
> 
> I submitted it about 30 minutes ago.  Hopefully, it will be greeted with
> at least indifference (I don't like being sneered at :))

Don't worry; since sneering is regulated by the rules, it would be
criminal to attempt it without specific sanction from the rules.

**two-star

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:45:33 -0600
From: Mitchell Perry Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: GAD.  GAD!  GAD?

AARON KEESLER wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking about starting a good ol' game of Grab-A-Donkey when the
> thread splits and the CFJ blizzard die down.  Would anyone be interested
> in a game full of fun... and danger?

Count me in.

Robert Sevin,
Incognito Mosquito

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:14:35 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: GAD.  GAD!  GAD?

> > I'm thinking about starting a good ol' game of Grab-A-Donkey when the
> > thread splits and the CFJ blizzard die down.  Would anyone be
interested
> > in a game full of fun... and danger?
> 
> Count me in.
> 
> Robert Sevin,
> Incognito Mosquito

Is it legal to play a subgame whilst on vacation?

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:13:45 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka:  Witchhunt 101 results

> >There are three kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't.
> 	I thought there were only two kinds: those who divide people into
> two kinds of people, and those who don't.

  No, there are only two kinds: those who say
    There are three kinds of people...
  and those who say
    there are only two kinds: those who say
      there are three kinds of people
    and those who say
      ...

___Dan_Knapp____The_Mauve_Baron______________________Beep Blip Bonk_______
<[email-masked]><[email-masked]> http://users.bergen.org/~dankna
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:32:50 -0600
From: Mitchell Perry Harding <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: GAD.  GAD!  GAD?

The Gingham Wearer wrote:
> 
> > > I'm thinking about starting a good ol' game of Grab-A-Donkey when the
> > > thread splits and the CFJ blizzard die down.  Would anyone be
> interested
> > > in a game full of fun... and danger?
> >
> > Count me in.
> >
> > Robert Sevin,
> > Incognito Mosquito
> 
> Is it legal to play a subgame whilst on vacation?
> 
> The Gingham Wearer.

Good question. To be honest, I wasn't aware I was on vacation. But if I
was, and if the rules haven't changed too much since I last paid
attention, then I hereby declare myself returning from vacation. And I
would like to participate in GAD.

Robert Sevin,
Wearing a Silly Vacation Hat

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:55:49 -0600
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: GAD.  GAD!  GAD? (now: Poem)

Robert Sevin wrote:
> [...]

'Twas a new dawn that came
Amidst a new age, new game.
To sound the dreaded toll:
Thunder come and thunder roll!

In slumber had Giants slept
As others danced, many wept
The fall and death of Ages Ol':
Thunder come and thunder roll!

The age of Youth was bright
Yet as all know, Might is Right
And prophets spoke from the Goal:
Thunder come and thunder roll!

It was forseen, from the Rim
Giants would return and grin,
Robert Sevin first of all:
Thunder come and thunder roll!

Giants will rule once more
Not as evil overlords in gore
But with support from the poll:
Thunder come and thunder roll!

CnH
writing a poem to commemorate the 
first message of RS in a long time

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:02:19 -0500 (EST)
From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: 153 (/dev/joe) (really this time!)

> > Rex Mundi has commited the crime of being annoying on 1/24/98.
> 
> I think this should be judeged Invalid.
> The date, as written is meaningless outside North America.

  No, it isn't.  It simply refers to December 1st, 1999...

___Dan_Knapp____The_Mauve_Baron______________________Beep Blip Bonk_______
<[email-masked]><[email-masked]> http://users.bergen.org/~dankna
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:34:16 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Subject Lines

Just for interest's sake, how many people could breadbox have declared to
have Gone Postal in the last two days?

Yours,
Slakko

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:57:50 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: GAD.  GAD!  GAD?

On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, The Gingham Wearer wrote:

> > > I'm thinking about starting a good ol' game of Grab-A-Donkey when the
> > > thread splits and the CFJ blizzard die down.  Would anyone be
> interested
> > > in a game full of fun... and danger?
> > 
> > Count me in.
> > 
> > Robert Sevin,
> > Incognito Mosquito
> 
> Is it legal to play a subgame whilst on vacation?
> 
> 
> The Gingham Wearer.
> 

No, it isn't.  Grab-A-Donkey is somewhat unusual, for a sub-game.  For one
thing, unless this is what Fortunato is attempting to amend, all active
non-vacationing players of Acka at the time the begining of a Game of
Grab-A-Donkey is announced are players in that game.  Whether they ask to
be or not.  So we don't really need all these messages saying that "I
wanna play" because believe me, you will regardless.  Robert Sevin did
quite well in the last game, as far as I can recall, surviving well into
the late rounds.

                                 - Vynd, ex-Wrangler

[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:03:53 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: GAD.  GAD!  GAD?

All I was actually interested in was whether there was interest in
playing... everyone who doesn't express disinterest in playing gets to
play.  Isn't there a provision in the GAD rule that lets anyone make
changes like the one you suggest?  By the way, I've submitted my
amendment, but it's not going to work like I thought it would.  I'm
going to retract it and fume, since I can't resubmit it :(

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	John Frederic Mc Coy [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Wednesday, January 28, 1998 1:58 PM
>To:	[email-masked]
>Subject:	Re: GAD.  GAD!  GAD?
>
>
>
>On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, The Gingham Wearer wrote:
>
>> > > I'm thinking about starting a good ol' game of Grab-A-Donkey when the
>> > > thread splits and the CFJ blizzard die down.  Would anyone be
>> interested
>> > > in a game full of fun... and danger?
>> > 
>> > Count me in.
>> > 
>> > Robert Sevin,
>> > Incognito Mosquito
>> 
>> Is it legal to play a subgame whilst on vacation?
>> 
>> 
>> The Gingham Wearer.
>> 
>
>No, it isn't.  Grab-A-Donkey is somewhat unusual, for a sub-game.  For one
>thing, unless this is what Fortunato is attempting to amend, all active
>non-vacationing players of Acka at the time the begining of a Game of
>Grab-A-Donkey is announced are players in that game.  Whether they ask to
>be or not.  So we don't really need all these messages saying that "I
>wanna play" because believe me, you will regardless.  Robert Sevin did
>quite well in the last game, as far as I can recall, surviving well into
>the late rounds.
>
>                                 - Vynd, ex-Wrangler
>
>[email-masked]
>
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:04:56 -1000
From: Rico <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: GAD.  GAD!  GAD?

On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, AARON KEESLER wrote:

> I'm thinking about starting a good ol' game of Grab-A-Donkey when the
> thread splits and the CFJ blizzard die down.  Would anyone be interested
> in a game full of fun... and danger?

Ahh, one of my favorite pastimes.  Sign me up, please.

- -rico

I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming 
in terror like his passengers. 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:03:43 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Plea

I've been doing a bit of research and came up with the following:

The first proposal on which voting results were reported since Klingon was
formed was 2603. Since then Rex Mundi and I have voted the same way on
fifteen proposals. This is a very high level of party unity but we have not
been able to generate party unity due to only having two members. I looked
through all the proposals on which the two of us had voted the same way and
found out how many times each of the other players voted the same way as
us. These were the results:

Alfvaen: 13
breadbox: 4
K 2: 9
/dev/joe: 12
Malenkai: 7
Balsamic Dragon: 10
rufus: 13
else...if: 13
Niccolo Flychuck: 12
Fortunato: 12
Goldenmean: 12
Slagothor: 9
CNH: 11
Slakko:12
ThinMan: 5
Vynd: 2
All other players: 0

That's how many unity votes you would have generated if you had been a
member of Klingon SINCE THE 25TH!! Compare that with the unity votes gained
by other parties in the same time period:

SPAM: 7
Vulcan: 1
Metamorph: 0
Boomerangs: 0
Harf: 0

I'm not going to single out any individual players since almost all are
already members of political parties but some of you may like to consider
joining Klingon. You know it makes sense!

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:12:11 -1000
From: Rico <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Did anyone not see this coming?

It's no use.  Pointless.  You're out to get me anyway.

I hereby retract CFH 524 [sic], and any and all Calls for Judgment of
which I am the author and/or initiator.

- -rico

2+2=5 for extremely large values of 2.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:40:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Postmasterness (Fortunato)

I was willing to overlook the first one, but after no less than three
messages, and causing a cascade of equally ill-formed replies, I am
declaring that Fortunato has most definitely Gone Postal.

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:59:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 152 (Niccolo Flychuck)

>> Actually, I suppose one could argue that Zuriti'ili can be committed
>> in other places besides Ackanomic. In fact, one would have to argue
>> that if anyone is ever to convicted of Zuriti'ili ever again.
>> 
>> However, what I think is even more important is the original
>> guideline: namely, that Zuriti'ili involves ownable entities. This
>> CFCJ is clearly False.
> 
> Why does that mean it is clearly False? Just because I mentioned
> anti-voting in my reasoning doesn't mean that has anything to do with it. I
> thought it was tradition that when judging Zuriti'ili CFCJs the judge
> should ignore the initiators reasoning. And you are of course correct that
> Zuriti'ili could be committed outside of Acka. In fact, it could have been
> committed and not punished any number of times. Some of the instances of it
> being committed could have occurred at the same time as k 2 committed it.
> Probably false? Yes. Clearly false? No.

I stand corrected. Although I note that that tradition may no longer
be relevant, as the Criminal Justice rule has changed. Specifically:

> 4) Its "reasoning" section shall show how Player X comitted the
> Crime of Y on the date Z. CFCJs shall only be judged TRUE if the
> Crime Y was comitted by player X on date Z. CFCJs which do not
> detail exactly one Crime, in the judgement of the judge, shall be
> judged INVALID.

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:07:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 151 (Goldenmean)

>> And yet this is the exact modus operandi of the Malenkai's loophole
>> surfer. Malenkai executed just such maneuvers to obtain a Bronze
>> Torch, a Vending Machine (though not a functioning one), and the
>> Military lasers that could be turned into Pulse lasers - i.e., by
>> creating an entity meant to usurp a rule that did not yet exist, that
>> was merely an innocent proposal biding its time, with no idea of the
>> twisted purposes it would be bent into serving....
> 
> Yes, but that's not what the rule punishes.  It might be what it aims to
> punish, but it falls wide of the mark.  
> Letter, not intent.

Pshaw. That's for a judge to decide. If it was possible to codify all
abuses of Malenkai's Loophole, then there would be a rule that simply
forbade it. It is not possible (though many have tried), and so
instead it is simply determined to be a crime, and each specific
instance is left up to a judge. That's the point of the rule - it's
the closest we can come to putting "spririt of the game" into the
rules.

I urge the judges to ignore the prestidigitative misdirection of this
dangerous criminal and put him behind bars, where he will be forced to
silently meditate on the dark nature of his actions.

breadbox

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