Subject: ackanomic digest V2 #491
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ackanomic digest       Tuesday, January 27 1998       Volume 02 : Number 491

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:57:44 -1100
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Acka: Trinket Creation

>Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:43:21 -1100
>To: [email-masked]
>From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
>Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket Creation
>
>
>>I would have done if I had thought of it. As it was I was too busy fuming
>>over his abuse of my hat (Danced naked on the town hall steps). 
>
>Ah, but Slakko was in fact Annoying (exploitation of Malenkai's Loophole).
>eir trinket changed the meaning of the agenda condition Danced naked on
the town hall steps from an action (ie has performed) to an object (ie owns)..
>
>Caped crusader do yer stuff ? 

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:05:01 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Hat Attack

> I reveal the text on one of my hats (which seems to have a large number 30
> imprinted on the inside):

> The owner of this hat has been chosen as
> a judge for a call for justice (criminal or non) three times and, after
> all possible appeals are processed, has not had eir judgment overturned.

> I offer to trade this Agenda Hat in exchange for any one of the following
> Agenda hats (numbers as on the eggplants list):

> 7  (created palindromic trinket)
> 8  (took possession of The Little Lamb)
> 12 (abstained on proposals divisible by 7)
> 17 (five proposals between 40% and 60%)
> 24 (danced naked on the town hall steps)
> 26 (authored five proposals in a chrome streak)

I reveal the text on one of my hats (which seems to have a large number 26
imprinted on the inside):

The owner of this hat has authored five proposals in a chrome streak.

I offer to trade this Agenda Hat to Slakko in exchange for Agenda Hat 30,
the Infallable[sic] Hat.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Moll Flanders Soundtrack
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
Never hit a guy with glasses.  Always use your fists.

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:15:01 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 520 (Red Barn)

> The CotC is under *no* obligation to forward that information, since
> we'll find out soon enough when the CFJ doesn't get reassigned. Why
> bother with the extra email?

Nevertheless, I am firmly in the "respond publicly" camp, and I would
appreciate knowing by some means whether CFJ's have been accepted or not.
Just call me strange...  As an Expert in Bandwidth-Wasting Gizz, I'd have
to say that public responses to CFJ selection are low on the BW scale,
unless of course the respondent quotes the entire harfin' thing.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Hookahman:Oh Hut...
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
Now your thoughts will connect by themselves.  --billbill

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:05:19 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Organizational Suggestion

> Actually it has already started.  Dan (Onieros) is watching it, tho I am
> not.  I am instead watching the repeats on TNT so that I can catch up.  I
> guess I just got tired of Dan trying to explain it to me while I was
> asleep.  (I talk in my sleep, so he thinks I am listening to him.)  Then
> when I wake up, he assumes that I know what is going on.  Anyway, the
> repeats are good, much better than when I first tried getting into it, and
> I am now a definate B5 fan.  

Yeah, well, we don't get TNT up here in Canada, and as far as I can
tell nobody's been carrying it, though it's just possible it's been on
in some weird time and I haven't found it.  You'd think that the new
SPACE channel, being all-SF, would get it, but from the B5 web pages I
gather that they're tired of people bugging them about it.

So if we're lucky somebody will pick it up and at least keep us within a
couple of weeks of current broadcasts...  The reruns would be nice, too,
since I've only seen one episode each from the first three seasons, and
then the last third of the fourt.

> That being said, I support Slakko's suggestion to change SPAM's name to
> Minbari.  (come on guys, _anything_ is better than SPAM!) :)

Maybe we should replace the Senate with the Grey Council.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Hookahman:Oh Hut...
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
"_Must_ you heterosexuals flaunt your lifestyle?"

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:07:46 -1100
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka:Orgs

At 10:33 26/01/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>> 
>> 	I suggest that Slakko be accepted into all organizations of which I
>> am the sole member and which do not own a Secret Laboratory.
>>  	I approve of all suggestions I made previously in this e-mail.
>> 
>
>Me too!  Me too!
>
>Balsamic Dragon
>(I am ninja, I am invincible!)
> 
I denounce this suggestion in all orgs with the word Shell in their name,
of which I am a member (orgs shell #1 thru shell #54 excl shell #10), on
the grounds that Balsamic Dragon may have *the* hat. 
(since I own the eggplant this is in my own best interest...)

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:08:46 -1100
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Orgs (something different)

>I also apply to join Shell #1, Shell #2 and Shell #3.  
>
same deal... may have *the* hat

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:05:19 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Organizational Suggestion

> Actually it has already started.  Dan (Onieros) is watching it, tho I am
> not.  I am instead watching the repeats on TNT so that I can catch up.  I
> guess I just got tired of Dan trying to explain it to me while I was
> asleep.  (I talk in my sleep, so he thinks I am listening to him.)  Then
> when I wake up, he assumes that I know what is going on.  Anyway, the
> repeats are good, much better than when I first tried getting into it, and
> I am now a definate B5 fan.  

Yeah, well, we don't get TNT up here in Canada, and as far as I can
tell nobody's been carrying it, though it's just possible it's been on
in some weird time and I haven't found it.  You'd think that the new
SPACE channel, being all-SF, would get it, but from the B5 web pages I
gather that they're tired of people bugging them about it.

So if we're lucky somebody will pick it up and at least keep us within a
couple of weeks of current broadcasts...  The reruns would be nice, too,
since I've only seen one episode each from the first three seasons, and
then the last third of the fourt.

> That being said, I support Slakko's suggestion to change SPAM's name to
> Minbari.  (come on guys, _anything_ is better than SPAM!) :)

Maybe we should replace the Senate with the Grey Council.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Hookahman:Oh Hut...
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
"_Must_ you heterosexuals flaunt your lifestyle?"

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:36:07 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka:Orgs

> >Ummm, else...if, I asked first.  Any chance of letting me in?

> 	I suggest that Slakko be accepted into all organizations of which I
> am the sole member and which do not own a Secret Laboratory.
>  	I approve of all suggestions I made previously in this e-mail.

This is known as "the null approval", since all the organizations of which
else...if was previously the sole member now also have K 2 as a member...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Song--Milli Vanilli:Girl I'm Gonna Miss You
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
Martin J. Hixeypozer quickly began his first word.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:38:29 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hat Attack

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> I reveal the text on one of my hats (which seems to have a large number 26
> imprinted on the inside):
> 
> The owner of this hat has authored five proposals in a chrome streak.
> 
> I offer to trade this Agenda Hat to Slakko in exchange for Agenda Hat 30,

I doff (that's take off) my Infallible Hat (the hat marked 30).
I accept Alfvaen's trade.

I reveal the Agenda Conditions on the following two hats:

9)The owner of this hat has posted a public message containing at least
10 misspelled words, each of which has, in its correct form, a prime
number of letters.

15)The owner of this hat has at least 15 attributes listed on the
Players/Entities page.

I point out that "attributes" is sufficiently well undefined as to
potentially include possession of trinkets.  Check the definition of
attributes at Merriam-Webster for this.

I show the following text from a preceding public message:

"Okay.  The Present vote ins reasonable when people submit proposals
dealing with specific pearts of Acka that arre only looked at by a few
people (e.g. Parrty Chess).  Howeverr, I wass nott initially looking to
eliminate the Presentt vote.  I came up with the Devil's Advocate
approach when I was presented with the argument that we don't want to
encourage pressent voting.

So apparently we don't want to encourage present voting, in fact the
ruless technically discourage it becauuse of anti-voting points.  Yet at
the same time we don't want to abolish it.  Is everybody really
sufficiently happy that we're at a happy medium?

After all, if some proposals only appeal to specific parrts of thee
populace, why don't most ov them grab the attention of only a few players?
Maybe people are voting on more proposals than they should?

Please note, I'm just trying to gauge opinions here.  I've suggested three
different tactics now, and the first two got shot down in smoke.  If this
one does too, then I'll shoot down any future attempts to change this on
the grounds that we've already reached the happy medium. :-)"

This message was posted on acka-research a little while ago.  It contains
more than 10 misspelled words, and all misspelled words have a prime
number of letters when spelled correctly.

I claim that the Speaker should give the Fat Lady her cue.

Weights of Hats I have (all TRUE): 62, 10, -100.  The sum is less than
my current score (which is well over 200).

I also (just for form's sake) note the following proposals in a Chrome
Streak: 2379, 2383, 2384, 2385, 2386.

Your hopeful cycle winner,
Slakko

- -- 
Duncan C. "hopefully finally a legitimate win" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:01:13 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Trinket Creation

On Sat, 27 Jan 1996, K 2 wrote:

> 
> >I would have done if I had thought of it. As it was I was too busy fuming
> >over his abuse of my hat (Danced naked on the town hall steps). 
> 
> Ah, but Slakko was in fact Annoying (exploitation of Malenkai's Loophole).
> eir trinket changed the meaning of the agenda condition Danced naked on the
> town hall steps from an action (ie has performed) to an object (ie owns)..

Umm, what sort of action?  We have no town hall, no town hall steps, no
dancing, and no nudity in Ackanomic.  Therefore my trinket provided the
sentence with its _only_ meaning, and hence cannot have _changed_ the
meaning (to give something its first meaning cannot change its meaning,
for no meaning is not a meaning).

So I was not annoying, in fact I was helpful by providing more meaning for
the words of Acka.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:12:10 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Organizational Suggestion

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> Yeah, well, we don't get TNT up here in Canada, and as far as I can
> tell nobody's been carrying it, though it's just possible it's been on
> in some weird time and I haven't found it.  You'd think that the new
> SPACE channel, being all-SF, would get it, but from the B5 web pages I
> gather that they're tired of people bugging them about it.
> 
> So if we're lucky somebody will pick it up and at least keep us within a
> couple of weeks of current broadcasts...  The reruns would be nice, too,
> since I've only seen one episode each from the first three seasons, and
> then the last third of the fourt.
> 
> > That being said, I support Slakko's suggestion to change SPAM's name to
> > Minbari.  (come on guys, _anything_ is better than SPAM!) :)

Unfortunately, BD's effort was a bit late.  rufus went and denounced it.

> 
> Maybe we should replace the Senate with the Grey Council.  :-)

That would be 3 from the Proposal class, 3 from the CFJ class, and 3 from
the Subgame class?
- -- 
Duncan C. "we stand between the candle and the star" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:36:04 -1100
From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Hat Attack

> Your hopeful cycle winner,
> Slakko

Damn.... and I was sooo close :)

Congratulations Slakko.

When Alfvaen announces the cycle's end, I hum along with the fat lady's
singing.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:54:00 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Two questions

To me GMT always made much more sense ( I'm not on GMT myself) because the
information is in the mail header, and there's no day light savings to
handle. Day light savings in Israel, f'rinstance, starts and ends on a
different date than everywhere else, mostly due to political reasons.

Uri

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
> 
> I'm very used to Eastern time right now.  Adding the three hours is no
> difficulty; adjusting to seven or eight(depending on the season)might be
> confusing.  I'd be againsta change to GMT just for the sake of it, but
> I suppose I could handle it if a majority of players were in favour.
> 
> Anytime you get a time in the format like 07:30:00 -0800, you can convert
> that easily to 10:30:00 -0500, or 09:30:00 -0600, or 14:30:00-0100, or
> whatever you want.  That doesn't require a special program for me, just
> a wee little bit of math.  And anyone who doesn't want to do that
> conversion can still post it in -0800 time zone or whatever, and that can
> be converted to Ackatime whenever necessary.
> 
> 
> - --
> - --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Current Album--Loudon Wainwright III:Fame And Wealth
> Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
> I'd much rather have a trampoline in my front room than an isolation tank.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 04:54:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Two questions

> The third line, the "received by eidolon.speakeasy.org" one, will
> have the server's timestamp on it; since it's in Pacific time, I
> just add three hours to it, so that the above message would be
> 00:04:16 Jan 1 1998.

Right. The idea is that this program would avoid the need for going
through the Received line. It would also show the time in EST/EDT.

>> So ... after talking with Malenkai about this, I got an idea to write
>> a little program that would timestamp emails before handing them off
>> to majordomo. That way, the email's "Date:" would actually show the
>> time that the email arrived at muppetlabs.com. The original timestamp
>> would be moved to an "X-line" in the header, so that information would
>> still be present, just in case.
> 
> Would that still get saved into the digest, though?  If not, then the
> original timing information would be lost.

It would be lost, true. But that information is completely unimportant
to the game. The rules don't care when you sent off your email; the
only time that matters is when it arrives at the muppetlabs.com. The
only reason I wrote the program to save that information at all is
that someone might be using it in a treasure hunt (e.g., the
Fallen-Off Falafel).

> I'm very used to Eastern time right now.  Adding the three hours is
> no difficulty; adjusting to seven or eight(depending on the
> season)might be confusing.  I'd be against a change to GMT just for
> the sake of it, but I suppose I could handle it if a majority of
> players were in favour.

Well, so far the only people who've been in favor of it are the ones
who aren't in the American time zones (and me), so I imagine that
means that the rest would prefer to keep EST/EDT.

breadbox

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:21:22 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: acka: Org creation again

If necessary, I approve of this as well.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Gavin M. Doig [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Monday, January 26, 1998 4:53 PM
>To:	AARON KEESLER
>Subject:	Re: acka: Org creation again
>
>> I suggest that The Moral Kiosk use its secret lab to build a Spell Book
>of
>> Chorg; I approve of this.
>> 
>> Rex Mundi.
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:48:25 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: God-Like Status (Malenkai)

I point interested Nomickers to Proposal 337 of .Nomic, available for your
perusal from a link on the main .Nomic page, which is:

http://www.interalpha.net/customer/jefferis/nomic/

I'm sure TGW must have submitted it, and its very funny (I just hope
enough .Nomickers understand it and vote it in).

Yours,
Slakko

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:47:11 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Screwy Mail

That's weird.  No, you didn't get selected for any, but I'll send them all
to you anyway.

Balsamic Dragon

- ----------
> From: Aaron V. Humphrey <[email-masked]>
> To: Ackanomic <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Acka: Screwy Mail
> Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 10:39 PM
> 
> 
> Interesting.  I have yet to see a single one of the CFJ's that I'm
> presuming, from others' replies, that Balsamic Dragon distributed today.
> 
> So, did I get selected for any?  :-)
> 
> 
> --
> --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
> Current Album--Buster Poindexter
> Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
> Have you seen Quasimodo?  I had a hunch he was back.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:50:16 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: acka: Going to the temple

Hmm, you've seen through my clever plan.  Of _course_ they have no value! 
But I've already got one bid for one!

Balsamic Dragon

- ----------
> From: K 2 <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: acka: Going to the temple
> Date: Saturday, January 27, 1996 8:26 PM
> 
> >I then create 5 trinkets called "Commemorative Bag #n" where n is 1
through
> >5.
> >
> >The descriptions are "This is a commemorative bag suitable for putting
> >rocks in."
> >
> this doesn't work...Commemorative Bag #n has no value.
> 

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:55:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Screwy Mail

> Interesting.  I have yet to see a single one of the CFJ's that I'm
> presuming, from others' replies, that Balsamic Dragon distributed today.
> 
> So, did I get selected for any?  :-)

Alfvaen: I just got three bounce messages for your address. (If you
didn't see *any* CFJs, then I suppose more are on the way.) Do you
want me to forward you the bounce messages?

(I did a traceroute from muppetlabs.com to telusplanet.net. The packets
pass through sprintlink.net, which I know has been having some trouble
lately. I also noticed some packet-dropping on the last leg of the
journey, at agt.net. Perhaps the combined mis-efforts of these two
servers are causing mail to get lost.)

breadbox

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:56:38 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: Acka: God-Like Status (Malenkai)

Wow... his fame has spread far and wide ;)

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Duncan Richer [SMTP:[email-masked]]
>Sent:	Tuesday, January 27, 1998 7:48 AM
>To:	Ackanomic Main Mailing List
>Subject:	Acka: God-Like Status (Malenkai)
>
>I point interested Nomickers to Proposal 337 of .Nomic, available for your
>perusal from a link on the main .Nomic page, which is:
>
>http://www.interalpha.net/customer/jefferis/nomic/
>
>I'm sure TGW must have submitted it, and its very funny (I just hope
>enough .Nomickers understand it and vote it in).
>
>Yours,
>Slakko
>
>-- 
>Duncan C. "" Richer aka
>Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
>Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
>Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:30:40 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 518 (K2)

Slagothor has declined judgment.  K 2 has been selected.

> > Clerk of the Courts
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Call For Judgement 518 - January 26, 1998
> > Subject: Harfer Fee
> > Initiator: Slakko
> > Judge: Slagothor (declined)
      Judge 2:  K 2 (selected January 27, 1998, 9:30 a.m.)
> > Judgement:
> > 
> > Statement:
> > 
> > There is an Organization called "the standard Harfer Fee".
> > 
> > Reasoning:
> > 
> > Rule 1007 states that 
> > >An attempt to perform this action fails if, at the time of the
attempt,
> > >(1) the organization does not own at least the standard Harfer Fee, or
> > >(2) it is not legal for the organization to have the specified new
name. 
> > 
> > At the time that The Gingham Wearer supported the suggestion for "the
> > standard Harfer Fee" to change its name to "Klingon", Slakko owned "at
> > least the standard Harfer fee".  Hence by Rule 1007 the attempt to
change
> > the name of "the standard Harfer Fee" failed, and hence it is still
called
> > "the standard Harfer Fee".
> > 

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:33:02 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 151 (Goldenmean)

Goldenmean has been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Criminal Judgement 151 - January 27, 1998
Subject: Being Annoying
Initiator: The Gingham Wearer
Judge: Goldenmean (selected January 27, 1998, 9:30 a.m.)
Judgement:

Statement: 

Slakko has committed the crime of being annoying on the 26th of
January.

Reasoning:

On January 26th a CFJ was distributed, with Slakko as the initiator
claiming that "at least the standard harfer fee" referred to the trinket of
that name, not the amount of money. From this CFJ it is clear that Slakko
is attempting to alter the meaning of the phrase "at least the standard
harfer fee" and so he has been annoying as per rule 721.

Suggested penalty: Transference of A$25 to The Gingham Wearer to cover
court costs, and a gaol sentence of 1 day.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:35:00 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 152 (Niccolo Flychuck)

Niccolo Flychuck has been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Criminal Judgement 152 - January 27, 1998
Subject: Zuritiili
Initiator: The Gingham Wearer
Judge: Niccolo Flychuck (selected January 27, 1998, 9:30 a.m.)
Judgement:

Statement: 

K 2 has committed the crime of Zuriti'ili on January 25th.

Reasoning:

I think that too much anti voting should constitute Zuriti'ili. It's
starting to annoy me.

Suggested penalty: Deduction of 50 points. This is probably less than e's
gained from anti-voting but seems about right.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:36:17 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFCJ 153 (/dev/joe)

/dev/joe as been selected.

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Criminal Judgement 153 - January 27, 1998
Subject: Being Annoying
Initiator: The Gingham Wearer
Judge: /dev/joe (selected January 27, 1998, 9:30 a.m.)
Judgement:

Statement:
	
Rex Mundi has commited the crime of being annoying on 1/24/98.

Reasoning:
	
Being annoying is a crime by rule 721.  By attempting to pay the
organization standard harfer fee, instead of paying the amount of the
standard harfer fee, he exploited lexical equivalence.

Suggested Punishment:
	
Harsh!  Two days in gaol, a 15 line apology, and a A$50 fine.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:40:41 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJ 516 (FALSE)

Clerk of the Courts
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Call For Judgement 516 - January 26, 1998
Subject: Hall of Elders
Initiator: Alfvaen
Judge: Vynd (selected January 26, 1998, 2:30 p.m.)
Judgement: FALSE (January 27, 1998)

Statement:

Archie Leach may not be nominated for the Hall of Elders.

Reasoning:

Rule 843, "Hall of Elders", states:

   2) Whenever a player leaves the game, their likeness (hereafter, where
   appropriate, referred to as if it were the actual player) is eligible
   to be enshrined in the Hall of Elders. They shall be a candidate for
   such an honor if someone nominates them (via a public message) for
   such within 3 days of them leaving the game. If multiple players
   nominate the same departing player, they are only considered nominated
   once.

But Archie Leach was "removed from the game", by Rule 255, for being On
Ice for 60 days.  I believe that this is not the same as _leaving_ the
game, and so a player removed in this manner is not eligible for Elderhood.

Judge's Reasoning:

I am ruling this CFJ FALSE.  I can find no rules that unambigously define
leaving the game or being removed from the game.  Game custom seems to
support treating these as the same.  Players who are removed from the game
have been treated exactly the same as players who left voluntarily for as
far back as I can find records.  I therefor find no reason to rule that in
this case they should be treated otherwise.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:41:47 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 151 (Goldenmean)

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Vivian Norwood wrote:

> Goldenmean has been selected.
> 
> Clerk of the Courts
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Call For Criminal Judgement 151 - January 27, 1998
> Subject: Being Annoying
> Initiator: The Gingham Wearer
> Judge: Goldenmean (selected January 27, 1998, 9:30 a.m.)
> Judgement:
> 
> Statement: 
> 
> Slakko has committed the crime of being annoying on the 26th of
> January.
> 
> Reasoning:
> 
> On January 26th a CFJ was distributed, with Slakko as the initiator
> claiming that "at least the standard harfer fee" referred to the trinket of
> that name, not the amount of money. From this CFJ it is clear that Slakko
> is attempting to alter the meaning of the phrase "at least the standard
> harfer fee" and so he has been annoying as per rule 721.
> 
> Suggested penalty: Transference of A$25 to The Gingham Wearer to cover
> court costs, and a gaol sentence of 1 day.

How can I alter the meaning of the phrase when the meaning of the phrase
hasn't been determined by CFJ?

Alternatively:

The Trinket "at least the standard harfer fee" existed before the rule
creating "the standard harfer fee" came into existence - and hence it
could not have changed the meaning of the rule - either the rule was
always referring to the trinket, or the rule was never referring to the
trinket.  In the former case, I never changed or attempted to change the
meaning of the rule.  In the latter case, I never attempted to change the
meaning of the rule, because my creation of the Trinket was before the
rule gained any meaning whatsoever.

I therefore humbly request that this CFCJ be judged FALSE.

Yours,
Slakko

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:47:02 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 151 (Goldenmean)

One further thing.

How does a CFJ constitute an "attempt to alter the meaning"?
A CFJ is to ask what the meaning is.

I therefore submit that, even should I have committed the Crime
of Being Annoying at some time in the past, (which I refute according to
the arguments in my previous email), I did not commit the Crime on the
26th of January 1998.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:57:55 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Over the river and through the woods...

Well, I might as well do something with these Oars :)
breadbox (you've got the raft, right?), are you and two other people
interested in exploring down the Ackanomic River?

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Aaron Keesler
Lotus Notes Administrator
Intranet Administrator
Adtran, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:13:53 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: God-Like Status (Malenkai)

Slakko wrote:
> I point interested Nomickers to Proposal 337 of .Nomic, available for your
> perusal from a link on the main .Nomic page, which is:
> 
> http://www.interalpha.net/customer/jefferis/nomic/
> 
> I'm sure TGW must have submitted it, and its very funny (I just hope
> enough .Nomickers understand it and vote it in).

Too bad he didn't add our president in the list of gods as the supreme
Harf god. :-) Then he would only have had to figure out how to convince
them to put the letters h, a, r, and f into their name. :-)

/dev/joe

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:25:17 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: God-Like Status (Malenkai)

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Joseph W. DeVincentis wrote:

> Too bad he didn't add our president in the list of gods as the supreme
> Harf god. :-) Then he would only have had to figure out how to convince
> them to put the letters h, a, r, and f into their name. :-)

Maybe someone should start up WharfNomic?

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:35:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFCJ 151 (Goldenmean)

> The Trinket "at least the standard harfer fee" existed before the
> rule creating "the standard harfer fee" came into existence - and
> hence it could not have changed the meaning of the rule - either the
> rule was always referring to the trinket, or the rule was never
> referring to the trinket.

And yet this is the exact modus operandi of the Malenkai's loophole
surfer. Malenkai executed just such maneuvers to obtain a Bronze
Torch, a Vending Machine (though not a functioning one), and the
Military lasers that could be turned into Pulse lasers - i.e., by
creating an entity meant to usurp a rule that did not yet exist, that
was merely an innocent proposal biding its time, with no idea of the
twisted purposes it would be bent into serving....

breadbox

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:37:11 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Loose Ends And Tied Ends

I would like to note, for the benefit of a few orgs, that the following
actions have not yet been approved:

K 2's admission into SPAM (rufus suggested and approved on Tue, Jan 20
12:50, Slakko approved automatically)

"Rule 1 is repealed. #1"'s name change back to Vulcan (/dev/joe suggested
Sun, Jan 25 14:06, Vynd approved), although I can understand why.

"Rule 1 is repealed. #1"'s gift of the trinket Vulcan to ThinMan (/dev/joe
suggested Mon, Jan 26 12:28).

Some of this is a reminder to myself, so that I don't have to keep the
original emails hanging around in my inbox, some may be helpful to the
party members involved, etc.

I would also like to apologize to The Gingham Wearer for having missed
the bit about Rex Mundi deproxying eir approval before suggesting TGW's
expulsion.  So TGW is still Swinger for Klingon.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Gentlemen Without Weapons:Rain of Terror
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
How much hedge can a hedgehog hog if a hedgehog could hog hedge?

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:27:11 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: acka:  Witchhunt 101 results

> The results are 6/5 "BURN THE WITCH!"  So, I encourage the speaker to burn
> Slagothar as a witch.

Slagothor is burned, cruelly and unmercifully(though at least e isn't
tarred and feathered first), atop a huge bonfire that reduces em to eir
component atoms(which atoms, apparently, are "ash" atoms), and inspires
righteous terror in all who see it.  Ho hum.

Slagothor has entered the Ackanomic Afterlife, loses 10 points, and is
now Enlightened.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Gentlemen Without Weapons:Rain of Terror
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:47:51 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Loose Ends And Tied Ends

> I would like to note, for the benefit of a few orgs, that the following
> actions have not yet been approved:
> 
> K 2's admission into SPAM (rufus suggested and approved on Tue, Jan 20
> 12:50, Slakko approved automatically)
> 

I was fairly sure that I approved this, but if I didn't then I do so now.

Balsamic Dragon

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:48:42 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Loose Ends And Tied Ends

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> I would like to note, for the benefit of a few orgs, that the following
> actions have not yet been approved:
> 
> K 2's admission into SPAM (rufus suggested and approved on Tue, Jan 20
> 12:50, Slakko approved automatically)
> 
> "Rule 1 is repealed. #1"'s name change back to Vulcan (/dev/joe suggested
> Sun, Jan 25 14:06, Vynd approved), although I can understand why.
> 
> "Rule 1 is repealed. #1"'s gift of the trinket Vulcan to ThinMan (/dev/joe
> suggested Mon, Jan 26 12:28).

I approved this last action as well.  If I'm mistaken, I do so now.

                                 - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:52:59 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Loose Ends And Tied Ends

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> I would like to note, for the benefit of a few orgs, that the following
> actions have not yet been approved:
> 
> K 2's admission into SPAM (rufus suggested and approved on Tue, Jan 20
> 12:50, Slakko approved automatically)

Balsamic Dragon also approved this explicitly.

- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:53:42 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Fat Lady

Unless anyone can give just cause as to why Slakko's claim to have
satisfied eir winning conditions(the "attributes" thing is the only
really iffy one, to me), then I hereby announce the following to
have occurred:

Slakko received the title of Agent of KAOS.

The owners of Nemesis Eggplants 9, 15, and 26 (Malenkai, me, and 
Rex Mundi)each pay A$40 to Slakko.

Agenda Hats and Nemesis Eggplants 9, 15, and 26 are destroyed.

Slakko achieves a Winning Condition.

Thus, the Fat Lady is singing.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--Gentlemen Without Weapons:Rain of Terror
Current Book--Gregory Benford:Timescape
"You want the police here--in my underwear?"

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:00:43 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fat Lady

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:

> 
> Unless anyone can give just cause as to why Slakko's claim to have
> satisfied eir winning conditions(the "attributes" thing is the only
> really iffy one, to me), then I hereby announce the following to
> have occurred:
> 
> Slakko received the title of Agent of KAOS.
> 
> The owners of Nemesis Eggplants 9, 15, and 26 (Malenkai, me, and 
> Rex Mundi)each pay A$40 to Slakko.
> 
> Agenda Hats and Nemesis Eggplants 9, 15, and 26 are destroyed.
> 
> Slakko achieves a Winning Condition.
> 
> Thus, the Fat Lady is singing.
> 

Congratulations, Slakko.  Alfvaen, what were you thinking trading him that
hat?

                                    - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:16:42 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Fat Lady

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, John Frederic Mc Coy wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Aaron V. Humphrey wrote:
> 
> > Unless anyone can give just cause as to why Slakko's claim to have
> > satisfied eir winning conditions(the "attributes" thing is the only
> > really iffy one, to me), then I hereby announce the following to
> > have occurred:
> > 
> > Slakko received the title of Agent of KAOS.
> > 
> > The owners of Nemesis Eggplants 9, 15, and 26 (Malenkai, me, and 
> > Rex Mundi)each pay A$40 to Slakko.
> > 
> > Agenda Hats and Nemesis Eggplants 9, 15, and 26 are destroyed.
> > 
> > Slakko achieves a Winning Condition.
> > 
> > Thus, the Fat Lady is singing.
> Congratulations, Slakko.  Alfvaen, what were you thinking trading him that
> hat?

In the event that I have, indeed, won the cycle, I do the following
actions:

I hereby create a trinket valued at A$60 (half the money I gain from being
Agent of KAOS), called the "Consolation Prize for Alf", and with the
following description:

'It is a perspex block in which is encased a hologram.  The hologram
depicts a different event on each of its two sides.  On the first side, a
faceless player pulls a pair of dice out of a pair of pants, and rolls
them.  The red die comes up with "Cycle" on it, the blue die with
"Viruses".  On the second side, there is a blue hat on the left and a
green hat on the right, which exchange places.  As soon as the green hat
reaches the left hand side, it disappears in a puff of goose feathers.'

I gift the Consolation Prize for Alf to Alfvaen, in recognition of his
being the machinery behind the last two Cycle wins.

Yours,
Slakko
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Acka - RuneMaker, Chess-Umpire, Map-Harfer, Senator, Wearing Agenda Hat

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