Subject: ackanomic digest V2 #478
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ackanomic digest      Wednesday, January 21 1998      Volume 02 : Number 478

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:41:48 -0500
From: "Vivian Norwood" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Thread tracking

I believe CFJ 513 was appealed by Slakko in one thread and The Gingham
Wearer in the other thread.

I'm still unclear on the status of CFJ 512 and CFJ 514, although I now know
that CFJ 514 only exists in one thread.

Balsamic Dragon

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> From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Acka: Thread tracking
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 2:33 PM
> 
> Here's an update (including corrections) on the game-thread situation.
> If there are any errors in the following, or if I missed any other
> thread-dependent data, speak now. Please.
> 
> 
> In both threads:
> 
> * Malenkai's status is vacationing.
> * Balsamic Dragon is the Clerk of the Court.
> * CFJ 513 has been appealed by Slakko.
> 
> 
> In the Malenkai-quit thread:
> 
> * Alfvaen is the Speaker.
> * CFJ 512 was assigned to Crackfoo, and has not yet been returned.
> * CFJ 514 does not exist.
> * Malenkai changed from pending to active upon the acceptance of
>   Proposal 2594. (Apologies to Alfvaen for not noting that fact in the
>   voting report.)
> 
> 
> In the Malenkai-stuck thread:
> 
> * Alfvae is the Acting Speaker.
> * CFJ 512 was judged False by Vynd, and has been appealed, retracted,
>   and appealed again by The Gingham Wearer.
> * CFJ 514 was assigned to K 2.
> * Vynd and Slakko both authored and retracted Impeachment Papers.
> * rufus created a trinket called thread spaghetti, valued at A$1,
>   which he gifted to Malenkai.
> 
> 
> breadbox
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:14:05 -0600
From: AARON KEESLER <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Trinket Creation

I create a trinket, named Big Fun, valued at A$5, with the following
description.

"This is a beautiful, mahogany plaque, with the words "Welcome to the
Office of the Clerk of the Courts!" in bright gold letters on it.
Attached to the plaque are several twining cords, made of some lustrous
fiber.  Try as you might, you cannot tell where the cords start or end,
or even which cord is which.

I offer Big Fun to Balsamic Dragon.

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Aaron Keesler
Adtran, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:49:13 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Thread tracking

On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, The Gingham Wearer wrote:

> > In the Malenkai-stuck thread:
> > 
> > * CFJ 512 was judged False by Vynd, and has been appealed, retracted,
> >   and appealed again by The Gingham Wearer.
> 
> No. It was CFJ 513 I appealed.

Hang on.  I appealed that first.  Leggo my appeal!

> 
> > * rufus created a trinket called thread spaghetti, valued at A$1,
> >   which he gifted to Malenkai.
> 
> I'm pretty sure it was Slakko who did this but I'm not sure.
I am, and it's not me.  Make up your mind, are you sure or not? :-)
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Ackanomic - RuneMaker - Chess-Umpire - Map-Harfer - Senator - Swinger

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:49:20 +0000 ()
From: Duncan Richer <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Otzma Bids

On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Rico wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, The Gingham Wearer wrote:
> 
> > > I bid A$30 on the Scientist for a Day Otzma Card Auction.
> > > 
> > > -rico
> > 
> > I bid A$35 on this.
> 
> I bid A$45.  :-p

A bit late, rico.  The Auction only lasts for 3 days, or longer if a bid
was submitted within 3 hours of the deadline (3 hours after the last bid
in such a case).  You missed the deadline by a few hours.
- -- 
Duncan C. "" Richer aka
Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
Ackanomic - RuneMaker - Chess-Umpire - Map-Harfer - Senator - Swinger

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:06:28 +0200 (EET)
From: Uri Bruck <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: PWCFJ?

Can anyone tell me what the CFJ is?
I already didn't get it twice!

Niccolo Flychuck

On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Duncan Richer wrote:

> Can anyone explain how Crackfoo's CFJ is a PWCFJ?
> I can't work it out.
> - -- 
> Duncan C. "" Richer aka
> Slakko the Really Lost Warner Brother - http://dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk/
> Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University
> Ackanomic - RuneMaker - Chess-Umpire - Map-Harfer - Senator - Swinger
> 
> ------------------------------
> 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:54:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Thread tracking

>> * rufus created a trinket called thread spaghetti, valued at A$1,
>>   which he gifted to Malenkai.
> 
> I'm pretty sure it was Slakko who did this but I'm not sure.

It was rufus. He created it as part of his Phoebe post on Jan 14th.

>> In the Malenkai-stuck thread:
>> 
>> * CFJ 512 was judged False by Vynd, and has been appealed, retracted,
>>   and appealed again by The Gingham Wearer.
> 
> No. It was CFJ 513 I appealed.

Really. *blink*.

Okay, here's the message where you made the original appeal.

> Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 513 (Red Barn)
> 
>> In an attempt to make things less (more?) complicated, I publish this
>> official result if a) I am Clerk of the Courts, b) it is in my power to
>> distribute this, and c) it will make the lives of any ackanomians easier.
>> 
>> I cannot, however, distribute CFJ 512 because, as far as I can
>> tell, I never received it directly or through the main list.  The
>> record I have of CFJ 512 is a message from Malenkai that says that
>> it was originally sent to his personal address.
> 
> I am appealing this CFJ. For my reasoning see the post I made when I
> first attempted to appeal this.

I see now that it's a little ambiguous what "this CFJ" was referring
to. Likewise, the second appeal never mentioned which CFJ it was. I
guess at the time I automatically assumed that you were referring to
CFJ 512 because Slakko had just appealed CFJ 513 himself, so what
would be the point?

Indeed. What is the point?

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:55:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: PWCFJ?

> Can anyone tell me what the CFJ is?
> I already didn't get it twice!

Look at the CFJ archive! Crackfoo has submitted exactly one CFJ under
that name, so it shouldn't be too hard to find. I think it's 514.

b

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:03:04 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Thread tracking

> > No. It was CFJ 513 I appealed.
> 
> Hang on.  I appealed that first.  Leggo my appeal!

I create a trinket called The Lego Appeal valued at A$7 with a description
as follows:
"A model of the word appeal made out of coloured blocks which are joined
together by way of bumps on the top and holes in the bottom." and give it
to Slakko. Is that what you wanted? I actually sent the message appealing
it in between you saying "No way, I'm not appealing that!" and you saying
"What, oh, you can't lose any points? Sure I'll appeal it then!"

> > > * rufus created a trinket called thread spaghetti, valued at A$1,
> > >   which he gifted to Malenkai.
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure it was Slakko who did this but I'm not sure.
> I am, and it's not me.  Make up your mind, are you sure or not? :-)

Firstly this proves that my memory is going wonky, secondly it shows why I
was never all that good at English (Clumsy repetition, sheesh!) and thirdly
it proves that my memory is going wonky :-).

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:25:46 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Otzma

Anyone willing to sell me an otzma card foul fowl or swinging sale? I'll
also consider a trade. Name your price!

The Gingham Wearer.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:15:32 -0000
From: "The Gingham Wearer" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Thread tracking

> > No. It was CFJ 513 I appealed.
> 
> Really. *blink*.

It was meant to be.

> Okay, here's the message where you made the original appeal.
> 
> > Subject: Re: Acka: CFJ 513 (Red Barn)
> > 
> >> In an attempt to make things less (more?) complicated, I publish this
> >> official result if a) I am Clerk of the Courts, b) it is in my power
to
> >> distribute this, and c) it will make the lives of any ackanomians
easier.
> >> 
> >> I cannot, however, distribute CFJ 512 because, as far as I can
> >> tell, I never received it directly or through the main list.  The
> >> record I have of CFJ 512 is a message from Malenkai that says that
> >> it was originally sent to his personal address.
> > 
> > I am appealing this CFJ. For my reasoning see the post I made when I
> > first attempted to appeal this.
> 
> I see now that it's a little ambiguous what "this CFJ" was referring
> to. Likewise, the second appeal never mentioned which CFJ it was. I
> guess at the time I automatically assumed that you were referring to
> CFJ 512 because Slakko had just appealed CFJ 513 himself, so what
> would be the point?
> 

Yes, I can see the ambiguity in it now as well. As I said I wrote the
original message just before I received Slakko's appeal. The retraction and
the appeal was just to bring my reasoning onto the record and to your
attention as Justices. Come to think of it, it would probably be best if
someone appealed CFJ 512. I hate to think what would happen if 513 were
judged true and 512 false. I'm beginning to think I might just give up on
trying to follow what's going on.

The Gingham Wearer, not really trying to make things more complex but still
awaiting a verdict on CFJ 484.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:22:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Thread tracking

>>> No. It was CFJ 513 I appealed.
>> 
>> Really. *blink*.
> 
> It was meant to be.

Well, I briefly considered claiming your appeal et al was ambiguous
and so never happened, but after going over it again I decided that I
would have understood it correctly if I hadn't been so busy at the
time. So I'll accept it as an umambiguous appeal (et al) of CFJ 513.

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:47:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Thread tracking update

Here are the corrections to my previous post. Keep them cards and
letters coming.

In both threads:

* Malenkai's status is vacationing.
* Balsamic Dragon is the Clerk of the Court.
* CFJ 513 has been appealed by Slakko and The Gingham Wearer.

In the Malenkai-quit thread:

* Alfvaen is the Speaker.
* CFJ 512 was assigned to Crackfoo, and has not yet been returned
  (though Crackfoo claims to have sent it to Alfvaen while he was
  still Acting CotC).
* CFJ 514 does not exist.
* Malenkai changed from pending to active upon the acceptance of
  Proposal 2594 (which affects Whamiols).

In the Malenkai-stuck thread:

* Balsamic Dragon is the Acting Speaker.
* CFJ 512 was judged False by Vynd.
* CFJ 514 was assigned to K 2, who appears to be close to deadbeating
  on it.
* Vynd and Slakko both authored and retracted Impeachment Papers.
* rufus created a trinket called thread spaghetti, valued at A$1,
  which he gifted to Malenkai.
* Malenkai received various points for anti-voting on proposals
  between 2555 and 2583.

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:14:07 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Acka: CFJ]

> > Unless I am mistaken, you are now the Clerk of the Court in both threads,
> > and have been for a few days.

> Ummm, nobody has told me that yet!   Alfvaen?

Is this another email message that went astray?  I think the Nomination
for Clerk of the Court(in the thread where Malenkai had not been able
to leave the game, but had elected to declare eir intention to resign
as CotC) ended on Saturday or Sunday, and I appointed you then.  You may
have missed it.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Tchaikovsky:Symphony No. 6 "Pathetique"
Current Book--Tanith Lee:Dark Dance
I shot an arrow into the air, and it stuck.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:21:06 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Thread tracking update

> In the Malenkai-quit thread:

> * Alfvaen is the Speaker.
> * CFJ 512 was assigned to Crackfoo, and has not yet been returned
>   (though Crackfoo claims to have sent it to Alfvaen while he was
>   still Acting CotC).
> * CFJ 514 does not exist.
> * Malenkai changed from pending to active upon the acceptance of
>   Proposal 2594 (which affects Whamiols).

No, it does not.  Whamiols are only triggered when a _new_ player goes
from Pending to Active.

> In the Malenkai-stuck thread:

> * Balsamic Dragon is the Acting Speaker.

I do not believe this is the case.  If it is, then ThinMan was not
Acting Speaker back in May when Malenkai was on Vacation.  Malenkai is
still Speaker, but has gone on Vacation, and appointed me Acting Speaker
before doing so.  So the Clerk of the Court has no Duty to be Acting
Speaker in this case.

We've been trying very, very hard to keep from sticking Balsamic
Dragon with Acting Speakership.  Hopefully we're managing to defeat
the Rules' determination to make the Clerk of the Court Acting Speaker
anytime there happens to be no Speaker.  (In fact, we may just want
to change that rule utterly.)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Tchaikovsky:Symphony No. 6 "Pathetique"
Current Book--Tanith Lee:Dark Dance
Vultures only fly with carrion luggage.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:24:55 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Treasure

Slakko posted:
> I hereby create a Trinket with the name
> "danced naked on the town hall steps", with a value of A$1, and the
> intriguing description:

> "It is Evesiti."

Slakko has found Treasure 164, consisting of the trinket "your useless
brain".  (Which I originally buried in a fruitless attempt to find
Treasure 106...)

The treasure map was:

The treasure shall be found by the first player, besides Alfvaen, to create
a new entity which either has a palindromic name, or a description which is
entirely palindromic.  Rules and Proposals are valid entities for this
purpose, and their text counts as a description.  I reserve the right to
withhold the treasure if I am convinced that the player in question had not
intended to find this treasure.

Since Slakko made an effort to privately point out to me that e had created
this trinket, I figured e probably knew what e was about.  Now perhaps e'd
like to share eir technique with us...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Tchaikovsky:Symphony No. 6 "Pathetique"
Current Book--Tanith Lee:Dark Dance
There's too much fire from a perfect match

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:32:17 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Behind

I have been a bit busy recently, so you may hopefully excuse me if I'm a
bit behind on most of my duties.  (Especially the Speakerly ones.)  I'm
going to ignore entirely the CFJ mishmash for now, and trust that our new
Clerk of the Courts, and perhaps our Justices, can disentangle that.

(On the bright side, I have been getting lots of job interviews and such...)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Tchaikovsky:Symphony No. 6 "Pathetique"
Current Book--Tanith Lee:Dark Dance
'The wall could be made out of potato chips and still be impenetrable.'

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:44:13 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Acka: Acting Praetor

While Malenkai is on Vacation, it might be appropriate to have an
Acting Praetor(the one Office e still holds in both threads).  As
far as I can tell, the following players are eligible for Praetorly
positions:

Calvin N Hobbes
/dev/joe
Niccolo Flychuck
Alfvaen

Any volunteers?

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Tchaikovsky:Symphony No. 6 "Pathetique"
Current Book--Tanith Lee:Dark Dance
"CAUTION: Knife is very sharp. Keep out of children"

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:07:25 -0800
From: Thierry Joffrain <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Acting Praetor

>While Malenkai is on Vacation, it might be appropriate to have an
>Acting Praetor(the one Office e still holds in both threads).  As
>far as I can tell, the following players are eligible for Praetorly
>positions:
>
>Calvin N Hobbes
>/dev/joe
>Niccolo Flychuck
>Alfvaen
>
>Any volunteers?

I would not mind doing it.

CnH

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:48:39 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: CFJs by player

Here is the latest, and last by me, CFJs by player count for
Bronze Torch eligibility.  This is includes everying up to 
CFJ 511 inclusive, except for CFJ 484 and CFCJ 148.  I'm not
going to try to sift through the 512+ CFJs.  I tried to keep
this accurate, but make no warranty.  If someone feels like
writing a perl script to double check it, have fun (although
a perl script will never figure the correct justices on supreme
court CFJs, so you'll just have to trust me :-)).  I will put 
copy of this on my web site later for the last time, for
anyone who cares.

Malenkai
Retired Clerk of the Courts
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Alfvaen:          [ 6] 394, 405, 475, 497, 503, 509
Balsamic Dragon   [ 4] C145, 467, 474, 490
breadbox:         [45] 268, 278, 280, 283, 292, 298, 305, 352, 359, C131, 367,
369
                       382(SC), 383(SC), 392(SC), 393(SC), 395(SC), C135(SC),
                       C136(SC), 391(SC), 411(SC), 408(SC), 415(SC), 414(SC),
434(SC),
                       439(SC), 437(SC), 444(SC), C143(SC), 452(SC), 453(SC),
461(SC),
                       465(SC), 471(SC), 473(SC), 474(SC), 475(SC), 477(SC),
483(SC),
                       486(SC), 495(SC), 489(SC), 485(SC), 505(SC), 499(SC)
Calvin N Hobbes:  [17] 118, 121, 123, 124, 136, 168, 185, 188, 212, C115, 317,
348,
                       351, 354, 371, 403, 406
Crackfoo:         [ 9] 154, 216, C104, C105, 286, 328, C134, 392, 410
/dev/joe:         [34] 209, 224, 231, 239, 260, 253, 276, 309, C116, C117, 326,
                       330(SC), 341(SC), C126, C130, 382, 413, 412, 426, 441,
443,
                       449, 454, 457, 459, C141, 461, 470, 476, 502, 485, 507,
506,
                       511
Fortunato:        [ 2] 468, 479
Gingham Wearer:   [ 5] C147, 487, 493, 504, 510
Karma:            [ 3] 418, 435, 439
K 2:              [ 2] 495, 498
Malenkai:         [46] 130, 132, 137, 153(SC), 157(SC), 162(SC), 164(SC),
                       170(SC), 175(SC), 178(SC), 187(SC), 190(SC), 223,
                       244, 252, 262, 251(SC), 256(SC), 271, 266(SC),
                       C112(SC), 284, 282(SC), 324, 329, 330(SC), 341(SC),
                       353, 374, C133, 384, 420, 446, 448, 450, 451, 452, C144
                       461(SC), 465(SC), 466, C146, 473(SC), 481, 494, 505
mr cwm:           [54] 126, 127, 142, 160, 171, 173, 175, 204, 210, 220(SC),
                       227(SC), 228(SC), 230(SC), 232(SC), 234(SC), 239(SC)
                       C107(SC), 247, 250, 269(SC), 276(SC), 290, 282 (SC),
                       288(SC), 297(SC), 299(SC), 301(SC), 312(SC), C118(SC),
                       346(SC), 362(SC), 371(SC), 382(SC), 383(SC), 392(SC),
                       393(SC), 395(SC), C136(SC), 391(SC), 411(SC), 408(SC),
                       415(SC), 414(SC), 429, 438, 440, C139, 447, 460, 463,
472,
                       482, 491, 492
Niccolo F:        [24] 156, 176, 177, 92.9..., 193, 194, 195, 202, 214, 234
                       265, C112, 279, 277, 288(SC), 316, 312(SC), 320, 335,
                       338, 340, 347, 380, 478
Red Barn:         [ 2] 358, 462
Rex Mundi:        [ 6] 416, 421, C137, 433, C142, 445
Robert Sevin:     [ 8] 104, 108, 111, 114, 138, 158, C106, 372
rufus:            [ 1] 488
Slakko:           [ 1] 508
ThinMan:          [57] 139, 159, 161, 191, 192, 203, 213, 221, 229,
		       233, 240, 242, 249, 255, 274, 275, C114, 285,
                       269(SC), 269(SC - again), 276(SC), 315, 318,
                       327, C127, 334, 336, 342, 343, 344, 356(SC), 360
                       357, C132, 365, 366, 371(SC), 376, 379, 400, 401
                       397, C135(SC), 419, 428, 455, 471(SC), 474(SC), 475(SC),
                       477(SC), 483(SC), 486(SC), 495(SC), 489(SC), 485(SC),
505(SC),
                       499(SC)
two-star:         [ 4] 417, 423, 424, 425, 471
Vynd:             [12] 361, 373, 398, 409, C136, 402, 436, 442, 453, 480, 500,
501

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Austin Appleby:   [ 2] 103, 106
Archie Leach      [ 1] 458
Bascule:          [38] 164(SC), 178(SC), 182, 187(SC), 190(SC), 200(SC),
                       207(SC), 211(SC), 217(SC), 218, 220(SC), 227(SC),
                       228(SC), 230(SC), 232(SC), 234(SC), 238, 239(SC)
                       C107(SC), C108(SC), 250, 263, 251(SC), 256(SC),
                       266(SC), C112(SC), 269 (SC), 297(SC), 299(SC), 301(SC)
                       313, C120, C124, 375, 399, 404, 407, C135
Brinjal:          [ 4] 174, 235, 246, 267
chess piece face: [ 3] 109, 110, 112
De'ghew:          [ 4] 141, 186, 196, 201
Device:           [ 1] 166
Dr McSpong:       [ 2] 129, 131
Eric Sebesta:     [ 1] 105
fnord:            [ 7] 307, C118, 321, C128, 350, 355, 370
fon:              [ 2] 135, 155
Geezer:           [ 3] 101, 107, 113
The Governor:     [ 1] 150
Great Old One:    [ 1] 117
Gumby:            [ 2] 115, 116
Guy Fawkes:       [14] 294, 303, 312, 381, 396, 430, C138, 434(SC), 439(SC),
437(SC),
                       444(SC), C143(SC), 452(SC), 453(SC)
Habeous Corpus:   [ 7] C111, 254, 261, 273, 291, 304, 310
IdiotBoy:         [ 4] C113, 302, 319, 362
Jammer            [ 1] 339
Kelly Martin:     [ 2] 187, 222
Lestrade          [ 1] 345
Mellon:           [ 3] 226, 266, 272
Meme Complex:     [ 1] 167
Mohammed:         [16] 122, 133, 144, 147, 148, 181, 293, 308, C121, 331,
346(SC),
                       356(SC), 362(SC), 390, 422, 427
Narf:             [ 1] 349
NumberSix:        [ 1] 143
Onieros:          [ 1] 456
Pascal:           [ 1] 198
pTang1001001sos:  [ 4] 125, 211(SC), 217(SC), 219
Robin Hood:       [11] 151, 180, 206, 217, 225, 228, 245, C110, 289, 287,
                       296
S M Harriman:     [ 3] 134, 140, 257
snowgod:          [ 8] 189, 199, 208, 232, 258, 306, 325, 333
SnafuMoose:       [ 2] 163, C101
Strider:          [ 1] 363
Swann:            [ 2] 332, 337
Techno:           [ 5] 154, 216, C104, C105, 286
tinan:            [ 9] 165, 184, 197, 215, 227, 236, C103, 237, 241
Uncle Sam:        [ 1] 300
Wayne:            [11] 102, 119, 120, 128, 145, 146, 152, 179, 259, 264,
                       295
You can call me al[ 1] 395

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Undecided:    205
Invalid:      C110, 281, 314, C122, C125, 149 (by rule 1751), 368, 374, 364,
432
Retracted:    172, 183, C102, 243, 270, 311, 323, 377, 378
Error:        169, 248, 385, 386, 387, 388, 389

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:50:53 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Zuriti'ili

Here is the Zuriti'ili list as I rememeber it.  Perhaps the
new CotC will throw it on a web page; I never got around to
that.

Malenkai
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Any action involving a prime number of named ownable entities is not 

Zuriti'ili is never committed simultaneously with another Crime.

The number of times Zuriti'ili has been committed, at any given point in time,
is a prime number

The Ackaphysicist has committed, or will commit, this crime at least once. 

No one who is not a member of an organization can commit Zuriti'ili. 

Zuriti'ili may only be committed by the speaker if he publicly announces 
the number of times Zuriti'ili has been committed in the past and the date and
time.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:04:29 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: CFJs by player

What I think is most amazing about this list is the number of different
players who have judged at least one CFJ as a member of the supreme court,
considering that it is essentially an appointed-for-life office.
A few of these were judged as acting justices, though.

> breadbox: 382(SC) ...
> /dev/joe: 330(SC), 341(SC)
> Malenkai: 170(SC) ...
> mr cwm: 220(SC) ...
> Niccolo F: 288(SC), 312(SC)
> ThinMan: 269(SC) ...
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bascule: 164(SC) ...
> Guy Fawkes: 434(SC), 439(SC), 437(SC), 444(SC), C143(SC), 452(SC), 453(SC)
> Mohammed: 346(SC), 356(SC), 362(SC)
> pTang1001001sos: 211(SC), 217(SC)

/dev/joe

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:05:47 -0500 (EST)
From: John Frederic Mc Coy <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Let me say this again...

I logged on just now and was suprised to discover that no one has had
anything to say about my vrdict on CFJ 515.  Perhaps people didn't read
it, or these funky mail problems swatted it down or something...  In any
event, I think what i found out was pretty important so I'm going to
repeat it.

By Rule 256, when a player leaves the game a series of things occur, in
the order listed in the Rule.  Second on this list is that the player is
removed from all offices.  Last on the list is that the player ceases to
be a player, and becomes an Undead.

As I understand it, the arguement for Malenkai not being able to leave the
game is that it would mean that he was both an Evil Overlord and a
non-player, and that Rule 1 does not allow this.  Assuming that this is
true (which I don't, actually), then what exactly would Rule 1 do when
Malenkai tries to leave the game.  Well, Rule 1 doesn't care about things
like whether or not Malenkai holds any offices.  All it is worried about
is making sure that Evil Overlords don't become non-players.  So the only
step in Rule 256 that it would interfere with would be the last one, which
causes Malenkai to stop being a player.  The other steps described in Rule
256 all occurred unimpeded.  Thus, regardless of whether or not he
successfuly became an Undead, Malenkai lost his offices when he declared
he was leaving the game.

So, what I want to know is, does anyone see any problem with this
reasoning?  I could submit a CFJ, of course, but we've had a lot of those
recently.  If what I have said above is true, then most of the "Malenkai
stuck" thread we have been harfing colapses into the "Malenkai quit"
thread.  Even his votes made before he quit would be negated as per Rule
256.  Somebody tell me Crackfoo was right about all this.  Or wrong.
Or something...  I think he is correct, but unfortunately his reasoning
was a lot TRUEr than his statement.

                                   - Vynd

[email-masked]

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:25:36 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph W. DeVincentis" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Acka: Otzma Share Your Income

I am using my Otzma Card Share Your Income on Slakko, and naming the
amount of A$499, less than half the A$999 he received when he stole
and destroyed my stolen trinket from the museum. :-)

Slakko, welcome to debt.  Remember, only voluntary debt is prohibited. :-)
I hope you enjoy Red Barn's company. :-0

/dev/joe

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:22:47 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: *That* Roome

else...if wrote:
> 	I am entering *that* room.

Since I don't feel confident in using the Random Dice Server yet(as in,
I haven't gotten around to trying it), I am just going to use my own
dice.  (Feedback on which method you'd like better is welcomed; I live
to serve.)  (Say, does "Speaker" remind anyone else of the Second
Foundation?)

So:  else...if has read one of the pages of Arcane Lore.

And using my own dice once again to determine the random Otzma Card:

Go Fish.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--The Teardrop Explodes:Everybody Wants To Shag...
Current Book--Tanith Lee:Dark Dance
He's a model employee.  Just not a working model.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:04:00 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Fw: Acka: CFJ 513 (Red Barn)

> I judged cfj512 that was distributed by alvaen.  my judgement was 'false'.
> The message to alvaen apparently has been bouncing and may or may not have
> reached him yet.

Anyway, you should submit your judgement to Balsamic Dragon now anyway,
since I am no longer Acting CotC...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Tchaikovsky:Symphony No. 6 "Pathetique"
Current Book--Tanith Lee:Dark Dance
Mount Fuji is very old.  Older than very old dirt.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:41:30 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Fair Voting

> > Proposal 2612 is invalid by Rule 313 (section I) and is removed from
> > voting consideration.

> I'm sorry about the late response to this (100+ messages later) but I
> would really like to know why I violated Rule 313.  I gave the proposal
> quite a bit of thought and worded it in a way that I hoped would get it
> through a potential loophole I thought I'd found.

I'm not sure whether Slagothor's Proposal 2612 is invalid or not, but to
avoid potential quorum failure, I'd encourage everybody to vote on it
anyway...

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--Tchaikovsky:Symphony No. 6 "Pathetique"
Current Book--Tanith Lee:Dark Dance
Bite the wax tadpole.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:44:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Raiter <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: Thread tracking update

>> * Malenkai changed from pending to active upon the acceptance of
>>   Proposal 2594 (which affects Whamiols).
> 
> No, it does not.  Whamiols are only triggered when a _new_ player goes
> from Pending to Active.

I stand corrected.

>> In the Malenkai-stuck thread:
> 
>> * Balsamic Dragon is the Acting Speaker.
> 
> I do not believe this is the case.  If it is, then ThinMan was not
> Acting Speaker back in May when Malenkai was on Vacation.  Malenkai is
> still Speaker, but has gone on Vacation, and appointed me Acting Speaker
> before doing so.  So the Clerk of the Court has no Duty to be Acting
> Speaker in this case.

You are right again. I had missed that part of his message.

Another wave function collapsed.

> I have been a bit busy recently, so you may hopefully excuse me if
> I'm a bit behind on most of my duties.  (Especially the Speakerly
> ones.)

As long as you keep finding my mistakes when I make them, you can do
anything you want.

breadbox

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:48:27 -0500
From: Malenkai <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Acka: *That* Roome

> Since I don't feel confident in using the Random Dice Server yet(as in,
> I haven't gotten around to trying it), I am just going to use my own
> dice. 

I have dice server scripts for all the common random things 
in this game, if anyone wants them.

Malenkai

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:51:59 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Thread tracking update

> > No, it does not.  Whamiols are only triggered when a _new_ player goes
> > from Pending to Active.

> I stand corrected.

Although yours was just triggered when Slagothor became Active, so I don't
think you came off any the worse...:-)

> > I have been a bit busy recently, so you may hopefully excuse me if
> > I'm a bit behind on most of my duties.  (Especially the Speakerly
> > ones.)

> As long as you keep finding my mistakes when I make them, you can do
> anything you want.

Likewise, I'm sure.  :-)

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Current Album--The Teardrop Explodes:Everybody Wants To Shag...
Current Book--Tanith Lee:Dark Dance
I took an IQ test.  The results were negative.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:57:11 -0700 (MST)
From: [email-masked] (Aaron V. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Acka: Acting Praetor

> I would not mind doing it.

So be it.  I hereby appoint Calvin N Hobbes to be Acting Praetor.

- --
- --Alfvaen(Web page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/alfvaen/ )
Song In My Head--The Cardigans:Lovefool
Current Book--Tanith Lee:Dark Dance
This sentence would be seven words long if it were six words shorter.

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